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Warren

Revealed : The ‘eye watering’ amount the Government spenditure on contractors and who’s reaping the benefits.
The Government spent close to 1 billion dollars on contractors and consultants in the past financial year a Newstalk ZB investigation can reveal.
Although this figure is down from previous years at 939 million its still tens of millions of dollars higher than it was in 2017.
Close to50 official information act (QIA) requests reveal hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent on recruitment in the public sector.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/revealed-the-eye-watering-amount-the-govts-spending-on-contractors-and-whos-reaping-the-benefits/VWHSIHEWN5IXDHUE2D36C66M5A/
This is just another example of the our Government when they get into power over load the public sector to wipe out as much unemployment as they can with contractors to hide what’s really going on a t the expense of the taxpayer to con New Zealander’s.
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December 28, 2021 8:00am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Being a friend of this Labour government is good work while you can get it. I’m sure the businesses owned by some well known Labour activists will feature in there somewhere.
  
  But it’s a real irony that this “eye-watering” spending is happening on Labour’s watch, at the same time as Labour MP’s Ministers and cheerleaders reckon National exists solely for “their rich mates” and only care about “the big end of town”.
  
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  December 28, 2020 10:09am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s the market doing what it does. When you have inexperienced bureaucrats in charge of the spending who have never done a real days work in their lives this is what you get. Parasites able to manipulate the idiots by taking the responsibility from them for a large fee. Said bureaucrat gets paid their overinflated salary without actually having to do any work for it. What a gig.
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:02am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    This is exactly what is wrecking the building industry as a result of making know-nothing do-nothing local government bureaucrats responsible for health, safety, quality and durability of houses. To safe-guard their useless butts and at no cost whatever to themselves they require “expert” reports on every conceivable aspect happily supplied by an ever-growing army of private “consultants”.
    
    Hence unaffordable housing – the inevitable consequence of gross incompetence.
    
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    December 28, 2021 10:22am
    - artemisia
      
      There was a very good analysis of the costs and benefits of then new scaff rules by Bryce Wilkinson at NZ Initiative.
      
      A good read for those with an interest in construction, or whose roof needs attention. The report kicks off with this quote, tells you everything really –
      
      The current obsession the authorities have with trying to prevent falls from heights on residential projects is costing the nation dearly, both financially and in lost productivity. — Mike Fox, Building Today (June 2014
      
      https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/reports/a-matter-of-balance-regulating-safety/document/42
      
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      December 28, 2021 10:31am
    - mawm
      
      It all starts at school with an education system where hip-hop has replaced the 3 R’s.
      
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      December 28, 2021 10:44am
- rouppe
  
  Just be a bit careful lumping it all together.
  
  I’m contacting to a government department as an IT developer. We’re producing a fabulous tool to the sharp end of that department that is attracting a lot of positive feedback.
  
  There is a difference between communications specialists, policy analysts, ~~HR goons,~~ sorry “people leaders”, and contractors “on the tools”.
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:20am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    When you have finished one of the big four accounting firms will be paid an eye-watering sum to “audit” your work which will be done by someone who knows next to nothing about the systems you use but plugs words into the corporate’s standard template. You will complain to the HoD who will smile, shake his/her head and say this is how the system works. Been there, done that.
    
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    December 28, 2021 11:48am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Just delete please.
      
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      December 28, 2021 1:41pm
    - rouppe
      
      Finished? It’s been live awhile, we are constantly improving it…
      
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      December 28, 2021 5:34pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    When you have finished one of the big four accounting firms will be paid an eye-watering sum to “audit” your work which will be done by someone who knows next to nothing about the systems you use but plugs words into the corporate’s standard template. You will complain to the HoD who will smile, shake his/her head and say this is how the system works. Been there, done that.
    
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    December 28, 2021 1:40pm
    - artemisia
      
      The mantra is – we came, we saw, we invoiced.
      
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      December 28, 2021 2:45pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    If it is a good and functional system, you probably won’t be allowed to implement it.
    
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    December 28, 2021 2:14pm
    - rouppe
      
      Too late.
      
      The key was to keep it out of direct view of the mandarins
      
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      December 28, 2021 5:36pm
- Inandout
  
  Warren, was listening on ZB how people get scammed out of thousands of dollars by transferring money to offshore bank accounts. One woman lost $200,000 and now wants the bank to re-imburse her. This kind of muddled thinking seems to exist in abundance in our government which throws money at consultants like confetti and the funds just get frittered away.
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:30am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Warning. The last few months have been heavy for email scams. The latest in my inbox is labelled as from Apple wanting me update my non-existent relationship. That one was from Serbia.
    
    A useful tool is the “View Source” in the email handler. What presents as local may not be.
    Don’t be fooled by small amounts like $4.50 for a postal item. (NZ Post don’t do business that way.)
    
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    December 28, 2021 2:13pm
- mogg
  
  Socialism never refers to TaxPayer money, it’s always Government money or expenditure, they see it as their money.Recently Luxon has been talking about ‘tax payer money’, knowing Ardern’s level of ignorance on finance he is on the right tack.
  
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  December 28, 2021 2:01pm
grumpy

O, in he UK news overnight. What do we think about this?
https://catholicherald.co.uk/new-zealand-okays-euthanasia-for-covid-patients/
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December 28, 2021 8:01am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sounds like a Catholic thing.
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:10am
- Nickc2
  
  Govt reducing the need for additional ICU beds/facilities?
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:14am
- fernglas
  
  Isn’t this part II of the one about how unvaccinated people in NZ weren’t going to be allowed to be euthanised? Yet another rollicking good laugh for the rest of the world from down under.
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:15am
- Scott
  
  Yes euthanasia is something that will inevitably be expanded. Far beyond the initial framework.
  Doctors end up deciding who will live and who will die. Sad ?
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:28am
  - lifesgood
    
    Do they actually recall taking the Hippocratic oath?
    
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    December 28, 2021 10:21am
    - oldfella
      
      lifesgood, is the Hippocratic Oath even a real thing these days?
      
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      December 28, 2021 11:10am
  - Bob
    
    Doctors end up deciding……
    NO! a whole new, over staffed department, will be developed to determine life and death.
    
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    December 28, 2021 11:18am
  - Jim
    
    It’s a shame those same doctors are now neither capable or trustworthy to give a vaccine exemption !
    
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    December 28, 2021 5:46pm
- cmm
  
  Like it or not we have Euthanasia in this country. It would be ridiculous if a person was denied euthanasia depending on the disease they have.
  
  How is this any different to people with other terminal conditions getting euthanasia?
  
  Remember that virtually nobody dies FROM CV19 (especially Omicron). Almost all people dying WITH CV19 will be riddled with other diseases – often terminal.
  
  Thus a person that the doctors think is likely to die with CV19 (and thus benefit from euthanasia) almost certainly means they have other terminal conditions which means they will be potentially queuing up euthanasia in a month or two anyway.
  
  For example, my double-jabbed mother who died in August WITH Delta was also riddled with cancer and her heart was on the blink too. It is almost certain she would have died within a month or two anyway. Euthanasia would have been an alternative to drowning in the pneumonia-like conditions caused by CV19.
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:44am
  - Reid
    
    “Euthanasia would have been an alternative to drowning in the pneumonia-like conditions caused by CV19.”
    
    Which she didn’t have to get if she’d received proper treatment to control the viral replication.
    
    As you know.
    
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    December 28, 2021 8:57am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Might have Reid, anti-virals do work, but they aren’t 100% effective. Someone with terminal cancer AND a damaged heart is a prime candidate to get a bad case of Covid as their immune system is no doubt compromised.
      
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      December 28, 2021 2:18pm
      - Reid
        
        Yeah I know Ed. I was just pointing out the covid thing can be easily managed using standard, readily available, well-known, widely tested and proven to be effective treatments, which they don’t do and which they pretend don’t exist. If someone has other things going on as well, that’s another story altogether.
        
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        December 28, 2021 3:22pm
- Yvette
  
  Grumpy
  “Defend NZ” asked under the Official Information Act if severe covid cases are eligible …
  MOH Says Kiwis With COVID-19 Can Be Eligible For Euthanasia
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK2112/S00446/moh-says-kiwis-with-covid-19-can-be-eligible-for-euthanasia.htm
  
  https://www.defendnz.co.nz/?ss_source=sscampaigns&ss_campaign_id=61be48e0832111298223cba6&ss_email_id=61be50d972001911068a322b&ss_campaign_name=Media+Release%3A+MOH+says+Kiwis+with+COVID-19+can+be+eligible+for+euthanasia&ss_campaign_sent_date=2021-12-18T21%3A21%3A33Z
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:45am
- peterwn
  
  It is somewhat misleading. An anti-euthanasia guy made a OIA request (rather a ‘leading question’) to Ministry of Health and got a response –
  “The Ministry of Health confirmed that a right to a lethal injection under a new euthanasia law could extend to patients who were either dying from the coronavirus or suffering unbearably from its consequences.”
  The Ministry of Health did not ‘OK’ anything – it was merely stating the obvious.
  Those who have been following things would know that the Ministry is uncomfortable about the workings of the new law and presumably if it had a chance would like to see the legislation amended. However the Ministry’s job is to put into the effect of the will of Parliament, and in the way it has responded to the OIA question it has done just that.
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:57am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Observation: I thought the goal was based on a “one Covid death is too many” approach, and yet they support euthanasia, intrinsically a matter of free choice about one’s health? Seems contradictory.
    
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    December 28, 2021 11:35am
- Reid
  
  More fear porn grumpy.
  
  We’re supposed to think: “OMG it’s so bad they’re even allowing euthanasia, OMG, OMG, OMG…”
  
  Sadly, many of us will think precisely that…
  
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  December 28, 2021 9:01am
  - grumpy
    
    Some of us think that may be why they made no investment in ICU. At $1000 a pop to a doctor this is way cheaper and supports the Greens depopulation program.
    
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    December 28, 2021 10:32am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Here’s the original SCOOP article on the MOH OIA response.
  “Eligibility for both euthanasia and assisted suicide is determined by the attending medical practitioner and an independent medical practitioner.”
  Patients don’t necessarily have to give consent under the new law. If a doc thinks they’re out of it they can be dispatched.
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK2112/S00446/moh-says-kiwis-with-covid-19-can-be-eligible-for-euthanasia.htm
  
  And an international follow up.
  
  NZ knows how to make headlines.
  
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  December 28, 2021 9:05am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Follow up:
    https://www.wnd.com/2021/12/shock-doctors-given-bonus-euthanize-severely-hospitalized-covid-patients/
    
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    December 28, 2021 9:06am
  - Aliog
    
    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19-pcr-test-idUSL1N2P42U5 – fact checking Kev’s past. FALSE.
    
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    December 28, 2021 9:10am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Reuters “fact” checker? ffs. If they say it’s false then it must be true. Seriously.
      “Fact checker” has to be one of the most ludicrous oxymorons to come out of this whole circus. The moment I see a story has been “fact checked” or otherwise had the doubt stamp put on it on either Twitter or Faceache I immediately check the story out. I know it is likely to be an actually be true.
      “Fact checkers” are like something Goebbels would have invented if he had thought of them first. One of the biggest own goals in the history of propaganda.
      
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      December 28, 2021 10:26am
      - curry4me
        
        ClanMcLeod: Goebbels was far too smart to do that.
        
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        December 28, 2021 12:56pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      So the Centre for Disease Control go it wrong?
      Fact Checkers should learn to play tiddlywinks.
      
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      December 28, 2021 2:16pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Patients don’t necessarily have to give consent under the new law. If a doc thinks they’re out of it they can be dispatched.
    
    That is a lie, Kev. You should be utterly ashamed of yourself.
    
    See Eligibility for assisted dying, here: https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/life-stages/assisted-dying-service/end-life-choice-act-2019.
    
    The necessity for informed consent is even referred to in the Scoop article you linked to!
    
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    December 28, 2021 9:24am
    - Nukuleka
      
      The point being made is that, were hospitals to be overwhelmed by covid cases and there were a shortage of ICU facilities, patients with advanced covid could be encouraged towards assisted suicide. I doubt that even the most enthusiastic supporters of granny killing would favour this.
      
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      December 28, 2021 9:32am
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        No, thats not the point, its madey uppy bullshit to suit your argument.
        
        Encouraged? By whom? With what impact given all of the checks in place?
        
        Zealots will find what they want and ignore the actual process.
        
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        December 28, 2021 10:21am
      - Steve Todd
        
        “The point being made” is ridiculous.
        
        No medical practitioner would (quite unlawfully) encourage COVID-19 patients in ICU/HDU “towards assisted suicide”, as you put it. Were they to do so, they would, at the least, be in immediate disciplinary peril. (See Ensuring an informed choice at the link I gave, above.)
        
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        December 28, 2021 10:22am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      See the MOH quotes from the Scoop OIA requests.
      It seems the legislation allows doctors make an assessment about end of life status–have they only got less than 6 months to go? That has to be informed guesswork at the best.
      The interpretation of the new law is being examined and it appears to allow doctors to determine both status and for two of them to make the critical decision.
      I believe I heard argument by Bill English about that at a meeting in opposition to the Bill in Rangiora.
      This matter is moot. I’m not going to argue law which properly belongs at the appellate Court level for their opinion. The interpretation of the MOH response is reasonably plain until someone comes to act on it.
      
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      December 28, 2021 2:33pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        I’m not “[arguing] law” with you, Kev. I’m saying you have lied; and, now, that you are a disgrace.
        
        The doctors have to assess eligibility (your “the critical decision”), regardless of when, or where someone is, when they start the ball rolling by seeking assistance to die, be that in a GP’s surgery or in ICU / DPU.
        
        The point is, you said that “If a doc thinks they’re out of it they can be dispatched.” That consent / a prior “informed decision” by the patient is not necessary.
        
        Rather than admit that you were wrong, that the MoH is talking about eligibility, not prior consent / informed decision, you have dug your toes in, have batted the matter away, saying the courts will sort it out.
        
        Talk about politically and religiously motivated “fear porn”!! I say it again, Kev, you are a disgrace.
        
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        December 28, 2021 3:22pm
  - RichardX
    
    Oh look….Kev has flawed epistemology.
    
    What a surprise.
    
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    December 28, 2021 12:03pm
- RossM
  
  A total pack of lies from the Catholics. That is not how our law works. https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/life-stages/assisted-dying-service
  
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  December 28, 2021 1:58pm
Yvette

“I’ll stand down there and I’ll take that school apart. If you go in there with your wagon, I’ll tow your wagon away and I’ll get the boys to blow it up and all your syringes, we’ll run you out of town.”
– Brian Tamaki

“It’s very deranged, but it isn’t really a threat.” perhaps if only Ahamed Samsudeen had said it?

But, of a meeting with the Human Rights Commission (HRC), Chief Commissioner, Paul Hunt, Tamaki said –
He didn’t want to give further details, although said he asked Hunt to speak at the protest, but that the commissioner couldn’t, so he provided a statement.
– so Tamaki seems to be breaking a bail condition: that he not organise a protest, but also the Newshub item [1] mentions –

The FRC founder had to watch the “fantastic” protest [outside Parliament] virtually on Thursday. He told Newshub he set off to travel to Wellington on Wednesday [intent, obviously, to break another bail condition] and got as far as Levin when his lawyer advised him [QED] he should turn around.

So, in leaving Auckland, did Tamaki have a Vaccination Pass or a 72 Hour Valid Covid Test Document? – and how does he reconcile either with “I’ll get the boys to blow it up and all your syringes”

Jesus would probably have more transparency, honesty and display more integrity in an approach to all this.
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[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/human-rights-commissioner-met-with-brian-tamaki-ahead-of-anti-vaccine-mandate-protest.html
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December 28, 2021 8:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I would venture to suggest that Jesus is probably a stranger to Apostle Tamaki. He may have had an encounter with Jesus at some point in his life, but he’s certainly following a different path these days. I daresay if Jesus turned up at Destiny Church, he’d probably turn over the tables where the EFT-POS machine are sitting!
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:15am
  - Nukuleka
    
    I really dislike this ‘If Jesus were alive today…’ nonsense, Tony. The Archbishop of Canterbury used this hoary old chestnut of a cliché recently when he said words to the effect that ‘If Jesus were alive today he’d get vaccinated against Covid.’ Such utterances are tosh. You seem to think you are a better Christian than Tamaki. Jesus maybe DID say a word or two about attitudes such as yours and they weren’t very complimentary.
    
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    December 28, 2021 12:15pm
pdm

As I was waking around 6am today I thought I heard Tim Dower on NewstalkZB saying that the road from Wairoa to Murupara was closed. Possibly by actions of Tuhoe.

Does anyone know?

We are planning a trip through there, possibly March/April if Jacinda and her cohorts turn the traffic lights to Green.
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December 28, 2021 8:13am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Have been closed (by Tuhoe) for sometime. Theres a fight going on to get more government funding to “support local infrastructure” that was gifted to Tuhoe. They got the infrastructure, plus annual funding to support it PLUS the ability to seek additional funding if required. But, its still not enough.
  
  Friends who went in a few weeks back talk of how the hut system is falling apart, covered in gang graffiti, buildings ransacked, furniture used as firewood.
  
  There are some parts where even Mr Plod wont go, and I dont blame them.
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:26am
  - pdm
    
    hmm – NZ Transport Agency (Waka whatever) shows the road open. We will be driving through so not interested in the Huts – may overnight in Wairoa then on to Rotorua in a day.
    
    Inand – well aware of Jacinda’s proclivity for lock downs to keep us all under her thumb. If Tama Iti is on the wedding guest list road may reopen so he can run tours to Ruatahuna.
    
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    December 28, 2021 1:17pm
- Inandout
  
  pdm, if the post-wedding lockdown rumours are true then I would think very carefully before spending any money on that trip. Many internal flyers of course won’t get refunds on their ‘special’ fares. The last two strong rumours about lockdowns proved to be true. Jacinda will not let covid panic go that easily.
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:37am
Benedict Yu

Why does the Chistchurch Council want to build a stadium in the middle of the city?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/127387008/christchurch-to-ask-neighbouring-councils-for-money-towards-stadium-in-mid2022

There is a $50 million funding shortfall. Which means that it will end up being $100 million.

They could develop this inner city site for housing, commercial, hospitality, recreation and revitalise the dead area east of the central city. Then they could build the stadium on a green field site west of Christchurch. There is no shortage of land.

Stadiums don’t need to be in the middle of a city. Indeed, it is highly stupid. For 330 days per year the stadium is unused. So the neighbourhood is dead. And when it is in operation, the local streets become a congested mess. As for parking a car forget it.
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December 28, 2021 8:34am
- cmm
  
  Because there is a whole lot of dead land that their developer mates want to offload.
  
  Just look at those vasts tracts of land along Moorhouse Ave etc that are undeveloped after the EQ. Why is that?
  
  CBDs are dead. They are 1900s technology. City councils and city planners the world over are trying to force people back into the CBDs.
  
  They even closed outlying service centres to force people to go to council offices in Chch.
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:50am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes. Part of the stupidity of combating climate change by lecturing people about the benefits of living in central Christchurch and walking everywhere.
    
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    December 28, 2021 8:55am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Haven’t they bloomin’all learnt yet that climate change is what the NWO/UN says it is and all their efforts are for nothing?
      
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      December 28, 2021 9:09am
      - sooty
        
        Christchurch council want to retain the sole naming rights for the “Lianne Dalziel” Stadium”!
        
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        December 28, 2021 4:57pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Wellington’s stadium seems to work well – located at a transport hub, but only 500m from the CBD and another km or so to the entertainment strip.
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    All you are doing is supporting my argument. Wellington stadium is built on disused railway land. It is perfectly placed. Wellington has vastly different topography and transport modes to Christchurch.
    
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    December 28, 2021 10:13am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I couldn’t disagree more Benedict. It will be a multi-use stadium, with plenty of commercial and hospitality venues in the vicinity. It will be able to host many of the events Christchurch has missed out on over the last ten years due to the woefully inadequate “scaffolding stadium” at Addington, and the lack of other suitable venues. It’s close to the Bus Exchange. so there will be public transport options aplenty.
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:41am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I guess we shall see.
    
    Christchurch people don’t seem to be programmed to use public transport.
    
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    December 28, 2021 11:02am
- gravedodger
  
  Benedict, have previously advocated for the S/E corner of Memorial Avenue and the ends of Johns Rd and Russley Rds that has been denied development plans by the Airport management.
  Ideal North South links The Airport for incoming visitors and Memorial Avenue for city folk, plus Hotel accomodation aplenty
  Surely high numbers use spasmodically arranged could be a useful land use near the city end of the NW runway that is the low use one with the NE one normally in use. Too late now the thing is settled and wrong.
  
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  December 28, 2021 5:37pm
JohnRidd

An interesting post at BFD about the risk of myocarditis that deserves to be widely distributed.

” Risk of Myocarditis Following mRNA Vaccination Higher than Risk from COVID Infection
New study released 25 December shows incidence of Myocarditis among under 40 mRNA vaccinated males is worse than that induced by Covid itself. ”

https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/12/28/risk-of-myocarditis-following-mrna-vaccination-higher-than-risk-from-covid-infection/
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December 28, 2021 8:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Adam was hanging around the Garden of Eden, feeling very lonely. So God asked him “What’s wrong with you?”
Adam said he didn’t have anyone to talk to.
God said that He was going to make Adam a companion and that it would be a woman. He said “This pretty lady will gather food for you, she will cook for you and, when you discover clothing, she will wash it for you. She will always agree with every decision you make; she will not nag you and will be always the first to admit she was wrong when you’ve had a disagreement. She will praise you! She will bear your children and never ask you to get up in the middle of the night to take care of them. She will never have a headache and will freely give you love and passion whenever you need it?
Adam asked God, “What will a woman like this cost?”
God replied, “An arm and a leg”
Then Adam asked, “What can I get for a rib?”
Of course the rest is history….
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December 28, 2021 8:56am
- Biscuit
  
  Steve, I showed the above to MY rib…
  A full, free and frank discussion ensued.
  I must tell you now I disagree 101% with your jesting and that, at the very least, I should take my rib shopping at the earliest opportunity (oops, ‘NOW!’ is the word we have agreed on) so as to ensure that our usual sleeping arrangements might continue in the future…
  Gulp!
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Now I would never make that mistake ……
    
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    December 28, 2021 10:25am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Haha, not bad Steve. On a related subject, Tony Blair used to go for a jog early in the morning, every day when he was at home. He’d often encounter a very mature lady of the night coming home from her labours, and she’d always cheekily say “10 pounds, 10 pounds” as he ran past and he would often jokingly say “5 pounds, 5 pounds.”
  
  One morning his wife Cherie decided she was going to go for a jog too, and as he got nearer the lady of the night he started to get a bit worried. He wasn’t sure what she’d say and thought he might be in a spot of bother.
  
  Luckily though, she didn’t say anything as they jogged past, with Cherie in the lead, but as he was jogging away, somewhat relieved, she called out “See what you get for 5 pounds!”
  
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  December 28, 2021 11:13am
KevO'Brien

The CDC admits that the PCR test cannot differentiate between SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. TEST WITHDRAWN FROM 31 12 21.
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/12/27/cdc-admits-that-the-covid-pandemic-was-the-product-of-an-inappropriate-test/
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December 28, 2021 8:58am
- Sacha
  
  This withdrawal was announced some time ago, but has been studiously ignored by all media outlets.
  The PM is not yet ready to acknowledge how she has deceived the people of New Zealand.
  
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  December 28, 2021 9:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jaspinda will NEVER be ready to say something like that – impossible
    
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    December 28, 2021 10:28am
    - sooty
      
      To admit that, she would have to leave!
      
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      December 28, 2021 5:02pm
- bennerg
  
  The lack of alarm at this report, and the related issue of the level of “amplification” used that makes individual tests meaningless serves only to reduce any trust in our scientists who should be speaking out. Even if it puts their jobs on the line.
  
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  December 28, 2021 9:58am
- rouppe
  
  The assertion is being refuted
  
  https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19-pcr-test-idUSL1N2P42U5
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:31am
  - bennerg
    
    Just like Ardern’s “I refute that”. Pure puffery.
    
    Note that Reuters are tied to Big Pharma – their CEO just moved on to Pfizer after spending many years on their Board! He remains Chairman of the Thomson Reuters Foundation as well as continuing at Pfizer. Their so called independent “fact checking” is incredibly compromised.
    
    When taken in context of the comments by the PCR Test inventor Kary Mullis that it was an inappropriate application of the process, then you can see why there is a back story here.
    
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    December 28, 2021 1:07pm
- RossM
  
  Total pack of lies. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/30/facebook-posts/cdc-test-cant-differentiate-between-covid-and-flu-/
  
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  December 28, 2021 2:07pm
Lee C

Those crazy South African epidemiologists are at it again! Not content with being amongst teh best in teh world at detecting viruses (ever wonder why not one, but two variants were first publicised in South Africa) they are now putting fragile lives at risk with recklessness such as this:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/south-africa-ends-quarantining-and-contact-tracing/ar-AAS85CU?ocid=a2hs&pfr=1&fbclid=IwAR1lL7eCYeBp-g6gltnaEYj_0sNXbuN1Suf-zDc3bz5w8t_Wp07V010TQ_E
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December 28, 2021 8:59am
- alloytoo
  
  Both activities in the face of Omicron appear to be a waste of time and money.
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:45am
Yvette

Exploding gun violence
Time to ‘turn the planes around’ on Australian 501 deportees amid exploding gun violence – National Māori Authority
… National Māori Authority chair Matthew Tukaki said in a statement on Monday “these violent thugs and criminals don’t care two hoots about the community”.
“In my mind, there is now only one solution left – turn the planes around and make a point to the Australian government that New Zealand is not the dumping ground for your criminals.”
… “They don’t care about culture or tikanga they care solely about establishing their criminal enterprise – they have no or little attachment to New Zealand and many of them, while they may have been born here, have been raised in Australia,” he said.

… Residents of the property where the Mt Roskill home invasion took place have links to the HFK gang, the NZ Herald reported. However, no link to Australian deportees has been determined for that shooting, nor the Flat Bush incident.

Earlier this month, Police Commissioner Andrew Coster acknowledged gangs were “inextricably linked to organised crime – there’s no doubt about it”. Coster also pointed blame at 501s.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/time-to-turn-the-planes-around-on-australian-501-deportees-amid-exploding-gun-violence-national-m-ori-authority.html

So where is any further investigative journalism either generally proving or disproving the case that the notable increase in gun use and killings is “501s” related?
Do all of the 4th estate (yes, again: becoming the fifth column, it seems) sit on their supposedly well-paid bums and only reprint Beehive press releases?

And any who might equate to a Keith Aberdein are sadly missing – Aberdein’s once banned expose of the Chathams cray fishing ~~industry~~ exploitation showed his investigative skills but more importantly his stance in the face of management direction versus “truth”.

And in passing, the photo accompanying this “105” matter, of Police Commissioner Andrew Coster is from a a press conference with the details of the Auckland supermarket terror attack, September 3, 2021, when a man had been shot dead by police after reportedly stabbing six people at LynnMall supermarket in Auckland. (Photo by Robert Kitchin – Pool/Getty Images) – so the exact opposite situation to the article here.

New Zealand journalism is slightly fucked. Especially non-existent investigative journalism – it’s just seems … um … sort of : non-existent

Case in point – Mallard made a feast out of farewelling Tova, by actually saying her greatness rests in, not anything she had said, but in fact as a journalist, what she had not said (about Jami-Lee Ross) – a little slightest bizarre, when you think about it!
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December 28, 2021 9:18am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Covid context. Will, by the end of the holiday period, the total of those drowned or died in road accidents exceed the total of covid deaths at that date?

More pertinently, will the number of Qalys years lost in the former exceed the latter?
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December 28, 2021 9:26am
Surely Knott

Has the Herald misled the public in regards to the law?
A man without a mask enters a shop. He refuses to sign in. He had been previously trespassed. The staff member aggressively grabs the man by the shirt and forcibly pushes the man out of the store. The Herald reports that the shop worker is praised for this action.

Clearly maskless man was trespassing and was wrong. But is the Herald encouraging shop owners to act illegally if someone won’t leave the store?

Community law says that a store can “legally hold you” in two scenarios regarding shoplifting. (items over $1000 and nighttime) and then they can call the police. “If the shop staff or security guards forcibly hold you when they’re not entitled to – for example, by locking you in a room – they may have committed a criminal assault. You may also have a civil claim against them for damages for false imprisonment or civil assault or both.”

The mitre 10 shop man did more than hold the guy he roughly shoved him out of the store. Surely this was civil assault. The Herald appears to have encouraged storeowners to act in this manner with it’s headline praising the assault on a disobedient member of the public. It also raises the issue of the government asking business owners to police their laws with no authority or training on how they should do this or how they should manage confrontations. The Herald is making it worse by misinforming the public and encouraging civil assault.
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December 28, 2021 9:29am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Nope. Perfectly legit by the Mitre10 employee
  
  If someone is trespassing you are allowed to use “reasonable force” to remove/eject them
  
  Note, they don’t have to have been previously trespassed. If they are asked to leave and refuse to do so they can be removed
  
  https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/chapter-34-common-crimes/assault/possible-defences-to-assault-charges/
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:04am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Thanks. The police advice says to ring them and references the trespass act.
    
    But it does seem you can
    forcibly remove someone who is trespassed from your property. Would be good if MBIE could clarify their guidelines as businessowners are now being made law enforcement
    
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    December 28, 2021 11:40am
- Opie
  
  The best bit about that incident was the irony of the store psycho shoving the guy around and yelling at him up close to put on a mask, while his mask was falling off…
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:43am
- peterwn
  
  The shop employee would be covered by the legal defences of ‘self defence and defence of others’ (see S48 of the Crimes Act). If the shop employee believes (this is the key word) that the person is putting others at risk the employee may use reasonable force against the perpetrator. The employee’s action seemed quite reasonable in the circumstances.
  Therefore Granny Herald has not misled its readers.
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:56am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “Therefore Granny Herald has not misled its readers on this occasion at least.” 🙂
    
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    December 28, 2021 11:07am
- Loddenthinks
  
  There’s no such thing in New Zealand as “civil assault” and using reasonable force to remove someone who has been trespassed is perfectly fine and legal.
  
  Not sure how you can conflate locking someone in a room with the diametric opposite of ejecting them from a store, either. The two are not connected in any way.
  
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  December 28, 2021 11:06am
  - Surely Knott
    
    I got the word “Civil Assault” from the NZ community law site. Again they should make the law clear seeing they are asking businesses to enforce this two classes of people thing.
    
    https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/chapter-34-common-crimes/shoplifting/the-shops-powers-and-your-rights/
    
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    December 28, 2021 11:45am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yes, I see where you read that. I think it’s a distinction between a criminal assault and a civil claim for assault.
      
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      December 28, 2021 3:31pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I’ve not seen a lot of comment on how the Spanish ‘flu ended, and nothing on Asian ‘flu & the HK ‘flu from the ‘50s & ‘60s.

On the basis that there’s not much that’s new under the sun, you would think that an enterprising historian would have muscled his or her way into the local cabal of talking experts. Or a geographer, because that’s close enough for MSM purposes.
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December 28, 2021 9:41am
- virtualmark
  
  They don’t end … they just become endemic and the population becomes sero-positive to them.
  
  History is clear that the danger comes from *novel* viruses – that is, virus’ that are new to humans and that our immune systems have no prior experience with.
  
  History is also clear that the evolutionary pressure on viruses is towards variants that replicate faster, but that also tends to be variants that are less virulent, or medically milder.
  
  So if you look at the Russian flu of 1890, the Spanish flu of 1918, SARS in the 2000s etc … they have a severe impact in their first 12 months, as they sweep through a human population that has no prior immunity to them (an “immunologically naive population”) and then they tend to fade as both the surviving population develops some, even weak, immune response and the later variants become less virulent.
  
  Think of it as just a global version of a small isolated island encountering the common cold for the first time. The reason so many Maori died of the head cold and flu in the 1800s is exactly the same reason a novel coronovirus like Covid has a big impact when it first arrives.
  
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  December 28, 2021 10:39am
  - Ed Snack
    
    The original SARS and MERS didn’t take that course, both were unable to replicate sufficiently under even mild restrictions, so the outbreaks were effectively stamped out. Both SARS and MERS remain very much more lethal than Covid and also remain far less transmissible.
    
    Neither seems to have mutated much, and they were eliminated fast enough so that the progression to a significantly more transmissible variant didn’t occur. The insertion of the Furin Cleavage site into the Cobvid virus, most likely engineered in a lab, is the key to the enhanced transmission. Very luckily this virus is way less lethal than the two precursors, MERS for example had something like a 40-50% fatality rate, SARS was originally thought to be around 9%, but has been revised up to around 11-15%. Interestingly it is thought that the original SARS and MERS were not aerosolised but spread more by larger droplets.
    
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    December 28, 2021 2:33pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Yes, fair. I suspect the reason they didn’t mutate much was that they weren’t that transmissible and so didn’t infect comparatively many people (since the mutations to a new variant happen in an infected person … so less infection people = less mutations).
      
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      December 28, 2021 9:39pm
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Sounds a lot like New Zealand today.
    
    We could be very badly impacted by even a weak version of Covid due to the lake [lack] of immunity.
    
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    December 28, 2021 4:57pm
artemisia

So an ‘eye-watering’ billion or so spent on contractors and consultants in the public service – some good investigation in the Herald today.

Yes it is a huge amount and reflects lack of resource and expertise in the public sector. So what are the managers doing about it? It is their day job.

Would add, however, that there are times when it is cost effective to bring in contracted resource. Partly because cost of permanent staff is not just their salaries but is double or triple that.

Plus if contracted staff don’t perform they are gone. (Or can be, not sure managers always have a good handle on that. Managers again, hmmm.)
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December 28, 2021 9:42am
Hollyfield

The Herald reports that the Government has spent close to $1b on consultants and contractors this year. Chris Hipkins blames National for having put a cap on public sector employee numbers, creating a greater need for consultants: “When they were in Government they put an arbitrary cap on the number of people the Public Sector could employ and that resulted in an explosion in the number of people who were being engaged as consultants – which ultimately cost the public service more.” What Chris Hipkins fails to mention is that employee numbers have also increased under this Government – which by his logic should result in less spending on consultants, not more. From the Public Service Commission “The total base salary cost in the Public Service increased by 10.8% ($525 million) to $5,366 million in 2021, up from $4,841 million in 2020 (when the annual increase was 12.9%). This was driven by a 6.9% increase in FTE staff numbers and a 3.7% increase in average salary.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/revealed-the-eye-watering-amount-the-govts-spending-on-contractors-and-whos-reaping-the-benefits/VWHSIHEWN5IXDHUE2D36C66M5A/

https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/our-work/workforce-data/remuneration-pay/workforce-costs/
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December 28, 2021 10:00am
- peterwn
  
  Of course Labour would like to have a vast bloated public service to micromanage the populous and to provide a large pool of Labour/ Green voters.
  But wait – I have a vested interest in this – I am a shareholder in a company that develops and rents office space to the Public Service, so the more Public Servants hired the bigger dividends shareholders will get.
  
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  December 28, 2021 11:00am
lifesgood

Some clown called Jim Snedden on Newstalk ZB was extremely dismissive of a polite old man who rang talk back to mention the true meaning of Christmas. Jim could not disguise his hatred for the Christian message and told the man that it was “old news”. I thought the old man responded well when he said “Yes it is, 2000 years old” I wonder if Jim would be so dismissive of any other religion. And I wonder if Jim celebrates Christmas.
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December 28, 2021 10:19am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Who cares what a clown thinks?
  
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  December 28, 2021 11:01am
  - peterwn
    
    Trouble is, that clown sits in front of a pretty powerful microphone. Not even the Leader of the Opposition has that privilege.
    
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    December 28, 2021 11:40am
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/12/27/privacy-wins-google-rival-duckduckgo-enjoyed-46-growth-in-2021/

Duck Duck Go Outstrips Google.

DuckDuckGo markets itself as a private alternative to search engines like Google, stating that it does not track users’ searches or their behavior on other websites. DuckDuckGo does not develop user profiles based on information obtained via tracking to display ads, instead, it displays contextual ads based on the searched keywords. [Plus, it has a built in ad blocker.]
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December 28, 2021 10:37am
- Pavel
  
  I ditched Google about 3 years ago. The biggest problem people have with switching is change. Google is what people are used to and comfortable with. Google is now so highly filtered you may as well do your searches on Wikipedia. It is really fascinating the differences in search results between Google and any other search engines. Google up Epstein and you get photos of him with Trump but use any other search engine and you get photos of just Epstein. Or try googling up Gateway pundit, Google will tell you their a conspiracy site where as others will tell you their in the top 200 sites in the world, America’s most popular conservative blog, their owner has 10 degrees and list the endless awards they’ve won. I’m not into Trump or gateway pundit but pointing out how eye wateringly bias Google are. Often I ask people “is that a fact or did you read it on Google?”. The way Google and Facebook are going in censoring everything, give it a few more years and they will be irrelevant. I recommend everyone ditch Google and find another browser, Google have you in a bubble that’s so blurred you will never see out of it. Google is for morons.
  
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  December 28, 2021 11:26am
  - curry4me
    
    Pavel: Yes, I’ve been using DDG for three years. The built in ad blocker is great.
    
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    December 28, 2021 1:09pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Another search engine which I have switched to is Qwant. I use it in conjunction with Brave browser. Fast and effective.
    
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    December 28, 2021 2:47pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Great Thank you for that info’ …….. Is it my imagination that it is more European orientated as apposed to American?
  
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  December 28, 2021 9:14pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    opposed
    
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    December 29, 2021 6:28am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/kEOW1bbSzVk/

Liberals try to Demoralize Trump Fans.

President Trump supports vaccines. The MSM are trying to lessen his support before he launches
Truth Social. [12:22]
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December 28, 2021 10:39am
Observer of Life

My oldest’s flatmate has been sent to hospital following his first Pfizer shot. Upshot, the Doctors have confirmed he has pericarditis from the jab (I’m surprised they’ve even admitted it’s due the jab). He is a very fit 20 year old, runs regularly, plays sport etc. Understandably he is not interested in the second jab, but has been told by the Dr’s in hospital he will not be allowed an exemption from the MoH, however they do say he will need to wait longer than usual between jabs due the pericarditis. Understandably he is very worried and not interested in getting it. It stuns me that more Dr’s don’t just say ENOUGH!! What about their Hippocratic oath of “first do no harm”? And of course this poor kid cannot get a Covid Passport which means his lifestyle and job options are limited due to that Cloth Eared Bint’s mandate. What a fucked up world we live in. ☹️
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December 28, 2021 10:55am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  The MoH is blanket refusing any exemptions. A medical specialist I know confirmed as much – he received copies of 6 refusals via email within a 90second period which says all you need to know. One of the refused is a patient so ill he believes any vaccination eliciting an immune response will bring about a rapid death.
  
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  December 28, 2021 11:45am
Loddenthinks

My goodness the Police are razor-sharp aren’t they? Five young tearways – all aged between 10 and 13 – crammed into a Nissan Tiida late at night and promptly crashed it near Matamata, with all 5 in hospital.

The investigating Hofficer had this pearl of wisdom:

‘“At this early stage our focus is on understanding what led to this very serious crash,” Waikato District Commander Superintendent Bruce Bird said.’

I’ll give you a clue, Birdie, it might have something to do with kids lacking ability and experience, showing off to their mates, driving with too much speed and an irresistible force meeting an immovable object. You’re welcome.
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December 28, 2021 11:00am
- greybeard
  
  A lack of parental responsibility ( or indeed any parental interest whatsoever ) probably had a bit to do with it.
  
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  December 28, 2021 11:06am
- Scooter
  
  Where are the parents, put them in jail for lack of parental supervision.
  
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  December 28, 2021 12:11pm
  - lifesgood
    
    I would venture that the parents are either drunk or drugged up and couldn’t care less what the kids do.
    
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    December 28, 2021 3:14pm
    - Scooter
      
      Yes, the kids behaviour has been learnt from them. How many billions have been spent on covid in the guise of preventing hospitals being overrun yet these kids are now taking up space in intensive care in hospital
      
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      December 29, 2021 12:15am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Update:
  
  “The car had earlier been stolen in Hamilton. Police confirmed it had also been used in a smash-and-grab burglary in a Vape shop in Matamata.”
  
  Not a truck-load of parental responsibility there, I’d suggest.
  
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  December 28, 2021 3:48pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Congratulations Sue Bradford. Good parents threatened with jail if they try to discipline their children. Bad parents beating their kids to death. Negligent parents ignoring their kids
  
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  December 28, 2021 6:17pm
greybeard

A lack of parental responsibility ( or indeed any parental interest whatsoever ) probably had a bit to do with it.
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December 28, 2021 11:05am
JibberJabber

The dindoo nuffins are good bois weally….
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/12/the-501-pr-beat-up-there-is-no-such.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email
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December 28, 2021 11:13am
oldfella

When Bishop Desmond Tutu passed away on Sunday, he was celebrated across the world as a man who led non-violent opposition to South Africa’s white minority rule called apartheid. And he should be honored for that achievement. But the media’s glowing praise of the Bishop left out something important, the hatred he displayed for the Jewish people.
https://lidblog.com/bishop-desmond-tutu/
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December 28, 2021 11:33am
- Jack5
  
  That’s odd, Oldfella…
  
  The Jewish Telegraphic Agency (the Israeli news agency) yesterday reported:
  
  Tutu frequently praised the many South African Jews who opposed the apartheid system and worked alongside Black South Africans to transition to an equitable system of governance. He often invoked the Holocaust, comparing the struggles of the Jews under Nazism to the struggles of Black South Africans under apartheid.
  
  However, it also says:
  
  …Tutu was a frequent critic of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and questioned how people who had survived the Holocaust could perpetrate an occupation of another people.
  
  So when did Tutu display hatred for the Jewish people?
  
  https://www.jewishexponent.com/2021/12/27/desmond-tutu-anti-apartheid-leader-who-identified-with-jews-and-criticized-israels-treatment-of-palestinians-dies-at-90/
  
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  December 28, 2021 12:19pm
Nickc2

Did Cindy, Nania, and others send birthday cards to China in time to celebrate the birth of Chairman Mao? If they didn’t perhaps Comrade Willie Jackson forgot to remind them.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/12/communist-china-celebrates-memory-of-the-worlds-greatest-mass-murderer.html
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December 28, 2021 11:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Classified information sorry
  
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  December 28, 2021 1:56pm
Lee C

A ‘John Napper’ posted this with pics on fb:
“VICTORY FOR THE PEOPLE
After being fined yesterday and threatened with closure today for choosing to serve all comers, noego coffee opened their doors today with over 400 supporters in attendance.
As the police drove up and saw what amounted to a virtual human shield the choose to drive on.
Several patrol cars parked around the corner and took turns to drive by but none stopped.
The supporters stayed all day and actually drank the shop dry!
Dan Salter, the owner, was overcome by the support and thanked his staff for turning up at short notice to serve the throng as well as the crowd.”
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December 28, 2021 12:01pm
Rusty

Over 70 deaths from drowning and over 200 deaths from car accidents this year but our PM insists covid is the real dangerous killer to every Nzer.

Drownings, car deaths, cancer, diseases etc, whats the grand total for this year?
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December 28, 2021 12:39pm
Fletch

Fauci, Gates, the heads of Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Boris Johnson et al have had a case brought against them in the International Criminal Court at The Hague to do with charges of genocide etc.

Official documents –

https://www.docdroid.com/WUjv6iw/icc-complaint-7-1-pdf
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December 28, 2021 12:46pm
- cha
  
  Trump walked away from the ICC.
  
  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-diplomacy-treaty/u-s-reviewing-agreements-that-expose-it-to-world-court-bolton-idUSKCN1MD2CP?
  
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  December 28, 2021 7:11pm
Sparrow

Drove back home this morning on SH16 instead of SH1 and saw these great signs.
” We milk cows. Auckland milks us”
“We shear sheep. Auckland fleaches us”
Sorry to the Jaffas but this is what the rural people think in what was the old Rodney area
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December 28, 2021 1:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Head honcho in Wellywood is the one fleecing you Sparrow – and she is loving it
  
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  December 28, 2021 2:45pm
- lifesgood
  
  Are these people complete idiots?
  
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  December 28, 2021 3:15pm
- MCōs
  
  I have a nephew down south who’s a diary farmer.
  He’s doing just fine plus he got a pretty good payout from the taxpayer when m bovis eliminated one of his herds.
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:55pm
Pharmachick

OMG… I agree with Bomber, what did I do with that bottle of Macallan?

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/12/19/2021-the-year-a-bat-won-bird-of-the-year-why-being-left-wing-was-so-hard/
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December 28, 2021 1:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t let the NZ idiots drive you to the evil demon drink like they do to me A////
  
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  December 28, 2021 2:29pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    But its 24 years old… (Gift for Mr Pharma for Xmas)
    
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    December 28, 2021 2:33pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Don’t you dare mix it with water, though a glass of water on the side is accepted practice !
      
      Actually I’m jealous, my bottle of 20 year old Glenmorangie is nearly empty, and doesn’t look like being replaced nearly soon enough…but I did get a bottle of Lustau Fino sherry to put in the fridge and savour.
      
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      December 28, 2021 2:39pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Mr Pharma is a Scot. He begs to differ re: a small volume of tepid (not cold) water.
        
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        December 28, 2021 3:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        One small cube of ice, in a sherry glass. Let it rest
        
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        December 28, 2021 3:28pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Peated water if possible
        
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        December 28, 2021 4:47pm
Chuck Bird

There seems to be a pattern.

NSW has over twice the cases as Victoria but has 1 death as opposed to 4 in Vic.

Can anyone guess why that is the case?
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December 28, 2021 2:08pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Oh let me think………..no it couldn’t be……surely not… but….could it be LOCKDOWNS ????
  God forbid – Chairman Dictator Dan got it wrong? Surely not.
  
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  December 28, 2021 2:23pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Lockdowns and lockdown protests maybe.
    
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    December 28, 2021 2:25pm
- Ed Snack
  
  I would think at that low level the difference is probably not statistically significant and I wouldn’t draw any conclusions from it.
  
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  December 28, 2021 2:40pm
greybeard

Those Australian bowlers are simply awe-inspiring.
Look out New Zealand.
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December 28, 2021 2:39pm
- MCōs
  
  Couldn’t beat India last season.
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:47pm
rouppe

I’ve just read this piece in Newsroom which says:

The Royal Society also issued a statement rejecting the authors’ views, which said it “strongly upholds the value of mātauranga Māori and rejects the narrow and outmoded definition of science”.

I thought that the Royal Society issued a statement criticising the Royal Society of New Zealand for its stance.

But I can’t find that anymore
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December 28, 2021 2:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Sam Sachdeva of “Newsroom” doesn’t seem to realise that the Royal Society of NZ is a completely distinct organisation from The Royal Society (UK Scientific Academy)
  
  The RSNZ is an organisation of folks interested in advancing and promoting science, technology and the humanities in New Zealand.
  
  The Royal Society has not issued any statement on Matauranga maori. Some Fellows of the Royal Society have commented on the issue (such as Richard Dawkins)
  https://richarddawkins.net/2021/12/myths-do-not-belong-in-science-classes-letter-to-the-royal-society-of-new-zealand/
  
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  December 28, 2021 7:20pm
Pharmachick

Apropos of absolutely nothing other than a blatant play for sympathy, it was -14 o/night here, 10 cm snow. Was -11 when I fed out at 8AM, -8 when we took out hot water (1PM) and picked the paddock at 3:30, and -9 when we fed out again at 6 pm. Tomorrow the high for the day will be -4, YAY it’s warming up. Mind you think God it’s stopped raining, November was trying (did I mention petrol rationing)?
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December 28, 2021 3:27pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  It’s hot and humid up here touching 27C or more most days and warm overnight with a bit of rain to freshen things up the last couple.
  
  And the village is its usual Christmas/New Year crazy so thousands of Aucklanders have braved the Harawira crap and traffic jams to escape north. And still pretty much Covid free. If anyone brings it up it will probably be Hone’s cuzzies though I doubtnit will survive lomg in the amount of sun we’ve been having.
  
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  December 28, 2021 4:22pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Stay safe and well Alan.
    
    My parents retired to Whangamata after owning property there for 30+ years (started as a naked section, then we camped all through H/S, then there was a deck and a “utility” [i.e. shower and toilet]). Typically, they built a house a few years after I left NZ. Its a nice spot on a hill, I wish I cut see them, its been 2.5 years – alas here I am and there you are. We’ll be fine eventually.
    
    Similar to your situation, my parents are a bit older now, not boosted, and quite understandably apprehensive re: the influx of Aucklanders as soon as the “border” was relaxed. Mum says you can tell in the supermarket when you don’t recognize half the shoppers. At least the “Coromandel Green Brigade” (TM) haven’t started roadblocks at Kopu-Hikuai or whatever [naturally that would involve getting out of bed /unkind I know).
    
    Have an excellent New Year, and look after you and yours, a pox upon the houses of 2020/2021, and let’s hope 2022 brings hope and peace.
    
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    December 28, 2021 4:51pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Thank you kindly, Pc, and I hope this hermit Queendom will open its gates to you and yours in the nearest future. I’m not at all worried about our Auckland invasion being happy in our small family bubble with a few friends and plenty of fresh air and countryside. We pretty much avoid town until the masses go back to work in January.
      
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      December 28, 2021 8:26pm
CAKE FACE1

I’m jealous of Australia having Scott Morrison as PM, while we have to suffer under Cindy.

Oz is opening up, moving on, and learning to live with Rona.

We are still hiding under our beds.

How long is this going to continue for? Will the National Party ever have the balls to say that enough is enough?

Is CAKE the only person who has had enough of Cindy dragging this thing out for as long as she can?

It doesn’t make sense that we close everything just to satisfy Cindy’s mental illnesses (saviour complex et al).

Why was the border opening delayed by another six weeks?

It makes no sense to me.

What will be change at the end of February, except that we will be closer to winter?

Is Cindy trying to kill more people? What is the logic?
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December 28, 2021 4:41pm
CAKE FACE1

CAKE happened upon #ChurArdern on twitter, and I can report that it is truly terrifying to behold. Freddy Kruger never managed to be a fraction as scary or disturbing as these cult like characters.

In essence, middle aged divorcee women and effeminate men express their love of Cindy and socialism. So far, so what. But there’s more…

Most of them then post selfies they have taken with Cindy. This may seem harmless enough, but on closer inspection, it is sinister.

Cindy stands there, … [deleted] The face of the cultist is fascinating. They wear an expression of complete vacancy mixed with a brain washed air of being completely and utterly lost.

The comments the cultists leave are the ultimate in saccharine odes to Cindy, praising her for “saving” their lives.

The only comparison I can make is from documentaries I have seen on cults, such as one about David Koresh.

How a mentally challenged politician reached cult status may one day be studied by academics, curious at how such strange events could occur.

I suspect that there are huge numbers of these cultists. I must confess that they make me despair. Voluntarily becoming obsequious robots supporting Cindy no matter what seems like a waste of life. I’m not sure I can imagine this happening en masse to people in any other country. There is a naivety at the heart of this cult, for which New Zealanders are particularly prone.

If Cindy wins the next election, the cult will sink us. Let’s hope some of the afflicted recover their senses soon.
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December 28, 2021 5:09pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  You can’t do anything about stupid – it’s a permanent condition – except outvote them.
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:35pm
chukar

Is transmission gully open?
Asking for a friend?
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December 28, 2021 5:57pm
- andydownhere
  
  Not if Labour is charge
  
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  December 28, 2021 9:33pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300487421/covid19-dip-in-case-numbers-down-to-low-testing-rates-over-the-holidays
Eureka! Don’t do any testing at all and CV-19 will go away !
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December 28, 2021 6:49pm
- cha
  
  Eureka! Don’t do any testing at all and CV-19 will go away !
  
  Problem is, deaths related to cardiovascular disease go through the roof./
  
  In Cape Girardeau County, the coroner hasn’t pronounced a single person dead of COVID-19 in 2021.
  
  Wavis Jordan, a Republican who was elected last year to serve as coroner of the 80,000-person county, says his office “doesn’t do COVID deaths.” He does not investigate deaths himself, and requires families to provide proof of a positive COVID-19 test before including it on a death certificate.
  
  Meanwhile, deaths at home attributed to conditions with symptoms that look a lot like COVID-19 — heart attacks, Alzheimer’s and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease — increased.
  
  “When it comes to COVID, we don’t do a test,” Jordan said, “so we don’t know if someone has COVID or not.”
  
  https://missouriindependent.com/2021/12/22/uncounted-inaccurate-death-certificates-across-the-country-hide-the-true-toll-of-covid-19/
  
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  December 28, 2021 7:04pm
- MCōs
  
  President Trump found that out years ago.
  
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  December 28, 2021 8:35pm
fernglas

Here is the literal elephant in the room with Covid:
“The New Zealand Health Survey 2020/21 found that:
around 1 in 3 adults (aged 15 years and over) were classified as obese* (34.3%), up from 31.2% in 2019/20
there was a significant increase from 2019/20 to 2020/21 for women (31.9% to 35.9%), but not for men
the prevalence of obesity among adults differed by ethnicity, with 71.3% of Pacific, 50.8% of Māori, 31.9% of European/Other and 18.5% of Asian adults obese
adults living in the most socioeconomically deprived areas were 1.6 times as likely to be obese as adults living in the least deprived areas”
Obesity is one of the major causes of death in Covid victims, but since it started, female obesity rates have gone from 32 to 36%. Pasifika are at 70plus overall. Where has there been messages from Bloomfield and Ardern about people getting their weight down, exercising and dieting? Nowhere. Why? Is it sexist or racist to point out that people who are obese need to lose weight to save their own lives, and that this could be just as useful as vaccination? 78% of those hospitalised or dead from Covid are obese:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html
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