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Lee C

Will Omicron be the gift that just keeps on giving?
https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/21/22848453/fully-vaccinated-people-omicron-variant-super-immunity?fbclid=IwAR13gePa2ivf5rkZ2k290Ie9gjQKbvJ_PTcimqsEd69RMtqvx-LnFgfMFmw
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December 25, 2021 8:05am
- mawm
  
  Maybe Molnupiravir will be the gift that keeps on giving …….. to big Pharma and the Globalists, as it keeps on creating mutations of the virus. https://dailycaller.com/2021/12/23/merck-molnupiravir-covid-19-pill-coronavirus-variant-fda/
  
  Merry Christmas to everyone.
  
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  December 25, 2021 8:29am
- bronny1
  
  “This could happen but we’ve not done any research into whether it does”
  
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  December 25, 2021 11:21am
- Spoff
  
  Omicron has Cracked Open the Overton Window
  Welcome to the new paradigm shift
  
  Omicron is the disruptive event that has expanded the Overton window
  The new variant of COVID-19, Omicron, has exploded onto the scene. This variant is different in five essential ways:
  More infectious and will soon be the dominant variant in the USA
  Less pathogenic
  Poorly matched to currently available vaccines
  Natural immunity is providing good protection against Omicron
  Disease symptoms are more similar to the common cold
  
  As some governments are now touting a 3rd, 4th or even 5th booster as mandatory, various groups, influencers and even the WHO to some extent – including main stream media outlets- are beginning to question the whole public policy response in the face of the emerging data about Omicron.
  https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/omicron-has-cracked-open-the-overton
  
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  December 25, 2021 1:23pm
  - RossM
    
    Natural immunity is NOT providing good protection against Omicron. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/modelling-suggests-rapid-spread-omicron-england/
    
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    December 25, 2021 7:31pm
    - Spoff
      
      The study says nothing of the sort:
      “To assess the impact of Omicron on reinfection rates we relied on genotype data, since SGTF is associated with a higher observed rate of reinfection, likely due to reinfections typically having higher Ct values than primary infections and therefore being subject to a higher rate of random PCR target failure. Controlling for vaccine status, age, sex, ethnicity, asymptomatic status, region and specimen date and using conditional Poisson regression to predict reinfection status, Omicron was associated with a 5.41 (95% CI: 4.87-6.00) fold higher risk of reinfection compared with Delta. This suggests relatively low remaining levels of immunity from prior infection.”
      This is gobbledegook for “we kept our thumb firmly on the scale.”
      Imperial College is bought and paid for.
      
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      December 26, 2021 7:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“A liberal’s paradise would be a place where everyone has guaranteed employment, free healthcare, free food, free education, free housing, free clothing and free utilities, and only law enforcement has guns.
And believe it or not, such a place already exists: It is called Prison.”
Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Phoenix.
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December 25, 2021 8:20am
- Matt Long
  
  From what I have observed the Regressives actually want Law Enforcement disarmed, and only the criminals to have guns Believe it or not hat place does exist with all the previous conditions and it’s called Tenderloin SF, and none of the Regressives want to live there either.
  
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  December 25, 2021 9:10am
- peterwn
  
  His prisons had pedal TV and no air conditioning. Anyway he got the boot several years ago (in USA county sheriffs are elected).
  
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  December 25, 2021 9:14am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    More than got the boot – convicted of criminal contempt of court as well. Would have gone to jail except for being pardoned by President Trump, who was grateful for Arpaio’s persistent birtherism.
    
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    December 25, 2021 10:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bring back pink prison shorts
    
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    December 25, 2021 11:10am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  There is another place. It is called Arden’s Aotearoa. Welcome to “free” paradise bro.
  
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  December 25, 2021 5:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The three wise men arrived to visit the child lying in the manger. One of the wise men was exceptionally tall, and bumped his head on the low doorway as he entered the stable.
“Jesus Christ!” he shouted.
Joseph said, “Write that down, Mary; it’s better than Brian!”
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December 25, 2021 8:30am
- David Garrett
  
  Steve O: Our Christian friends won’t like it, but that’s hilarious! Merry Christmas to you and yours Sir.
  
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  December 25, 2021 8:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only the leftist Christian friends will not see the humour.
    Christmas greetings to you and family DG
    
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    December 25, 2021 8:50am
    - ds
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Communists don’t believe in religion so bound to be one of your pro-life religious nutters. Luxon?
      
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      December 25, 2021 10:12am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        LDS
        
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        December 25, 2021 3:14pm
    - Nukuleka
      
      Why the fuck do you think ‘our Christian friends won’t like it’ you bigot DG? Time you lightened up and recognised your own dreary prejudices rather than searching them out in others. You can be such a predictable bore.
      
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      December 25, 2021 12:52pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Oh, I’m so wounded by your anonymous attack…
        
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        December 25, 2021 5:27pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Wounded enough to reply to it, apparently.
        
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        December 25, 2021 8:44pm
  - Centrist
    
    I’m a Christian (even a born again one!) and I laughed (and upticked).
    
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    December 25, 2021 9:34am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I’m Brian, and so’s my wife!
      
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      December 25, 2021 1:04pm
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    David this Christian roared with laughter. Merry Christmas.
    
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    December 25, 2021 9:40am
  - curry4me
    
    David Garrett: Doesn’t bother me. Merry Christmas.
    
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    December 25, 2021 10:21am
    - David Garrett
      
      Great to see our Christian KB friends with a sense of humour…Good upon you all.
      
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      December 25, 2021 11:16am
      - Andrei
        
        It is more usually Godless leftists who are humour challenged David Garret
        
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        December 25, 2021 12:24pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Did you say ‘God upon you’ ? 😉
        
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        December 25, 2021 8:01pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        ‘God upon you’ is how Mary got pregnant to he rapist, isn’t it.
        
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        December 25, 2021 8:45pm
  - graham
    
    Yep. Believe it or not, and contrary to popular opinion, many Christians do have a sense of humour … after all, God invented laughter!
    
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    December 25, 2021 1:00pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Just sent it to a Reverend friend of mine in the US who has a v British SoH. He will love it.
  
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  December 25, 2021 8:49am
- Spoff
  
  Thanks Steve, friends and family loved that gag.
  Happy Christmas to all.
  
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  December 25, 2021 10:21am
Keith White

Locked out of my own country, while still paying taxes in my own country, while working in a NZ-forex-earning industry, while separated from family and friends, while taking the MIQ lottery and losing, while a wailing Lorde and MPs waltz right back in. When I do get to come home, it will not really be home. I will also be coming back with a really pent-up head of anti-Labour-Govt steam.

Merry Christmas – yeah, right.
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December 25, 2021 8:45am
- Inandout
  
  KW, in a way you are like an escapee from a prison working party. We are still locked up under various traffic lights, brushing past masked and terrified Covidists on the street.
  
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  December 25, 2021 10:53am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, despite Govt spin, we’re no longer a corruption-free country and haven’t been so since the Wine Box affair. Keith’s post serves to confirm fact!
  
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  December 25, 2021 10:56am
- fredonas
  
  I think a lot of NZers who are in NZ feel the same way. Continuing mask mandates, restricting movement and vilification of citizens exercising their right to refuse a “vaccine” with effectiveness that is hit and miss at best. And now people who did obediently take a double dose of the “vaccine” will be treated as unvaccinated until they have a booster jab. The first political polls of 2022 will be interesting to see and will probably show more of a slide of support away from Labour and back to National and ACT.
  
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  December 25, 2021 11:00am
  - Jim
    
    Before I have any booster, I must see the unquestionable scientific evidence.
    
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    December 25, 2021 8:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So you did not send Jaspinda a Christmas card?
  
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  December 25, 2021 11:11am
  - Keith White
    
    I would like to send her a durian for her wedding reception… but they aren’t available here in the ‘former USSR’ and anyway, the supply chain being what it is, it would probably sit in Brisbane for 7 months waiting. Much like other Kiwi-bound goods and people.
    
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    December 26, 2021 12:00am
- ISeeRed
  
  Yeah but you still have cis white male privilege.
  
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  December 25, 2021 11:14am
- Pharmachick
  
  Co-sign.
  
  Merry Xmas
  
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  December 25, 2021 12:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Merry Christmas A
    
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    December 25, 2021 3:15pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      You too Steve, hope all is well.
      all the best
      Abby
      
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      December 25, 2021 5:09pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Keith bro – while I feel sorry for you, you can vote in the 2023 election as a overseas voter and I am sure the toxic Greens will benefit from your overseas vote.
  
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  December 25, 2021 5:43pm
Justitia

Karl du Fresne reflects on the continuing deconstruction of our liberal democracy in 2021: https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2021/12/joy-to-world-and-all-that.html?m=1

All the signs are 2022 will be worse with hate speech laws to suppress dissent, He PuaPua being rammed through and the destruction of the farming sector in the name of “Climate Action”, another “captain’s call”.

Merry Christmas to all.
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December 25, 2021 8:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes the low intelligence thinking on climate change gives me a headache. A few months back I was talking to someone who said the dairy herd should be slashed because of climate change. I explained that the market share that New Zealand gave up would be instantly replaced by other dairy producers, such as Brazil.
  
  She said to me “No they would not do that”. ??And she was an advisor to the New Zealand government.
  
  There are some parts of New Zealand with intensive dairy farms that are experiencing water quality problems. But that is a separate issue.
  
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  December 25, 2021 11:36am
  - Justitia
    
    Yes Benedict, this is the kind of ignorance that prevails among our political leadership – kill a cow to save the climate. Cows and other animals are part of the continuum of the carbon cycle. They add nothing.
    
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    December 25, 2021 12:39pm
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Like when China banned Australian coal. Other countries sold coal to China and Australia sold their coal elsewhere. Why don’t the left understand supply and demand?
    
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    December 25, 2021 2:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Leftist supply comes from net Taxpayers, demand means not enough Tax to spend
      
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      December 25, 2021 3:21pm
  - rouppe
    
    Water quality is the primary environmental issue we should be concentrating on, not carbon emissions
    
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    December 25, 2021 3:54pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Princess Mahuta’s three waters solution will fix water quality problems Benedict bro.
    
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    December 25, 2021 5:44pm
Southern Raider

Might be Christmas but Santa has brought no common sense to this Govt

Know of several older people who have serious health conditions and a case of any form of covid would be a debatable outcome

Due to these existing conditions they had their original double jab well over 6 months ago

But they are confused. They have been told boosters are now available but none of the health providers know what is going on and MoH info is very confusing. Many are being told they need to book on MoH website although for a normal jab you can just walk into a vaccination centre and some being told they need to wait until Jan 5 and then you can walk in

MoH seems to think viruses wait for them to get their shit together. When Omnicron gets into the community the real failure of this Govt will be shown up as it will spread very quick and most of the at risk population won’t have been able to access boosters in time
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December 25, 2021 8:57am
- Nickc2
  
  My local Vax Center has been closed down and gutted, floor coverings, the lot has gone. IMO, either the Govt knows more than they are saying or Covid-19 has done its dash.
  
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  December 25, 2021 11:04am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Our local vax centre says they are on holiday back on Jan 24th.
    
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    December 25, 2021 8:47pm
- mawm
  
  Tell them to just walk in to the nearest pharmacy that is injecting.
  
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  December 25, 2021 12:02pm
- Local Miller
  
  And it will all be blamed on us filthy unvaccinated. Selfish bastards that we are.
  
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  December 25, 2021 12:28pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Well they will need a scapegoat. Pointing out that the jab they so trustingly took is close to useless and may be actively destroying their natural immune system in exchange for some temporary easing of symptoms is not going to make them happy.
    Medsafe, Ardern, Baker and the others will never admit any mistake, they will use the media to attack the unjabbed even though it is idiotic to blame them. We aren’t allowed to take part in society, how can we be to blame!!
    These “vaccines” are a disaster and they will only get worse. Winter 2022 will be a nightmare.
    
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    December 25, 2021 1:28pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “and may be actively destroying their natural immune system”
      
      Can you please explain the mechanism that has the vaccines “destroying” our immune system?
      
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      December 25, 2021 3:46pm
      - bronny1
        
        I gather it’s the concept of original antigenic sin (OAS).
        Reid or KK will be able to explain it.
        
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        December 25, 2021 5:44pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Benedict, I’d look up VAIDS, Vaccine Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. It is a theory and far from proved to be in action, but it is a possibility that does need careful investigation. So it is not some fantasy or conspiracy theory, at this stage a low probability, but not as low as I would once have thought.
        
        Some years back a vaccine against a BCV infection in domestic poultry was tested, and although initially apparently successful, when a mutated variant appeared all the test animal died from it as they were unable to form a proper immune response to it because the vaccine had sort of “locked in” their immune system to a specific variant.
        
        Note the Danish paper I cited earlier, vaccinated people seem, after 3 months, to become significantly more susceptible to an Omicron Covid infection than the unVaxxed. Not yet confirmed but could be a pointer to some for of vaccination damage to an immune system, or maybe just a side effect of having a lot of S protein hanging around.
        
        https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v2
        
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        December 25, 2021 5:52pm
      - Fletch
        
        This has been suggested as one reason –
        
        As mentioned earlier, shingles infection is turning out to be a rather common side effect of the COVID shot, and like the neurological, vascular and cardiac damage we’re seeing, activation of latent viral infections was also predicted.
        
        One reason why latent viral infections are cropping up in response to the shots is because the shots disable your type I interferon pathway. A second reason is because your immune system is overburdened trying to deal with the inflammatory spike proteins flowing through your body. Something’s got to give, so latent viruses are allowed to break through.
        
        That’s not the end of your potential troubles, however, as these coinfections may worsen or accelerate other conditions, such as Bell’s Palsy, myalgic encephalomyelitis and chronic fatigue syndrome.
        
        Herpes viruses, for example, have been implicated as a trigger of both AIDS and chronic fatigue syndrome. Some research suggests these diseases don’t appear until viruses from different families partner up and the type 1 interferon pathway is disabled.
        
        With all of that in mind, it seems inevitable that, long term, the COVID mass injection campaign will result in an avalanche of a wide range of debilitating chronic illnesses.
        
        https://noqreport.com/2021/12/20/unintended-consequences-of-mrna-shots/
        
        And –
        https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056
        
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        December 25, 2021 6:58pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        ” If Omicron is indeed circulating primarily among the vaccinated, as some data suggests, this would seem to be one possibly reason why. These concerns are particularly acute in the case of children, who may well be exposed to the risk of very serious illness in the future, if vaccination permanently misdirects their immune system.”
        
        Eugyppius in my opinion has a very good handle on this. Based on what they say and what others comment on what they say. I am not an expert, but this situation has been warned about for months. Original Antigenic Sin.
        Here is a link to the article. I would like you to read it and give me your thoughts on it.
        
        “Original Antigenic Sin is a Real and Very Serious Reason to Stop Vaccinating Everyone”
        
        https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/original-antigenic-sin-is-a-real
        
        I’m not a “covid denier” but I know we’re being lied to by our government and Medsafe. As you pointed out quite clearly yesterday, the MoH are actively lying about the efficacy of Ivermectin. The government have banned the import of antibody testing. They have prevented people getting access to safe and potentially medicines. They have never promoted normal health and wellbeing. They have locked people down and destroyed the economy.
        
        None of this is about health. None of it.
        
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        December 25, 2021 8:30pm
      - Keith White
        
        The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines use a different approach. Instead of the vaccine containing the protein itself, it contains templated-instructions about how to make the protein, so that the cells in our bodies can manufacture it. How…? By packaging the mRNA in a capsule = a lipid nanoparticle, a delivery vehicle to allow the mRNA to safely enter the cells in the body. Once introduced via the lipid nanoparticle vehicle, the mRNA is treated the same as any other – it is used by the cells as a template to build the protein and is then broken down. After the spike protein is manufactured by the vaccinated cell, it causes an immune response in the same way as traditional vaccines.
        
        So: as mRNAs are broken down by the cell after they have been used, the RNA from the vaccine does not persist in cells. The smart people (TM) say we should think of the mRNA vaccine has being a one-time set of instructions that the body then ‘forgets’, and this is very different to how gene therapies work. To be continued…
        
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        December 26, 2021 12:02am
      - Keith White
        
        …But there is a possibility of RNA actually entering DNA via reverse transcription. This possibility has been dismissed by the scientists given the media podium, and it’s certainly hard to find the possibility discussed. But it has been discussed “out there”.
        
        For example, some types of RNA viruses, such as HIV, contain genes that make a protein called “reverse transcriptase”. A retrovirus is a type of virus that inserts a copy of its RNA genome into the DNA of a host cell it invades, therefore altering the genome of that cell. Taking the example of HIV, reverse transcriptase can convert the HIV RNA into DNA, so the HIV genes can enter the human genome.
        
        The usual response to this is “But SARS-CoV-2 is not a retrovirus and the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines don’t make reverse transcriptase. They only contain one gene: the gene for the SARS-CoV-2 viral spike protein.!”
        
        Which is true as far as it goes. Right now. Under evolutionary pressure, the Chinese 2019 coronavirus has clearly evolved = see all the variants so far; in my view we can’t dismiss the possibility that it will evolve in some patients, including HIV sufferers for example, to be able to manufacture reverse transcriptase and pass that on when it infects other people. Sure, the possibility is very small as two separate but quite substantial evolutionary changes need to happen for that to take place; but who would have thought that a yearly evolutionary change in the standard flu coronavirus* would lead it to become a pandemic?
        
        (*Unless, and I believe this, gain a function research was deliberately carried out in the Wuhan military Institute for biological research and the viruses either deliberately or accidentally leaked. Bear in mind that, that although people dismiss this as a conspiracy theory, all conspiracies down the ages have started off in theory before they were put into practice… but I digress…)
        
        If you read widely, you may come across this interesting passage:
        
        “So, the only way the COVID-19 vaccine mRNA might enter your DNA is if you were unlucky enough to be infected at precisely the same time with HIV, or another kind of retrovirus, and this virus was active for the few short hours the vaccine mRNA was present in your cells. The chances of this happening are vanishingly small.”
        
        Err, yes. Because we all know that vanishingly small chances of something happening basically means nothing happens. OK. Yeah, right. The Titanic hitting an iceberg and sinking was a vanishingly small risk, and so the Titanic never sank. A weird Serbian activist assassinating an Austrian Duke leading to a global war was a vanishingly small risk, and so World War I never took place. Oh wait…
        
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        December 26, 2021 12:03am
      - Fight4NZ
        
        You were right the first time, there is NO way vaccine RNA is going to get into anyones DNA.
        
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        December 26, 2021 8:37pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I believe it’s “Omicron” but you’re right about the fact that it’s coming into the community. Not certain an MIQ or border regime could expect to keep it out, we’re all going to get it sooner or later so may as well got on with it.
  
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  December 25, 2021 1:38pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    The MSM is reporting studies out that show low serious disease rates with Omicron and vaccine effectiveness of only around 10weeks. So, not sure what us thinkers are supposed to do now, do we believe that or not??
    
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    December 25, 2021 4:11pm
    - Jim
      
      If you live life like you value your health, I suggest trusting your innate immune system.
      
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      December 25, 2021 9:01pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Ok, so you don’t reckon it’s worth getting one those synthetic immune systems installed? //
        
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        December 26, 2021 8:39pm
70andstilllearning

Bit sad really to see the chronic downticker at work over on David’s Xmas message commenters replies. Suppose it takes all types in this world.
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December 25, 2021 9:07am
- David Garrett
  
  70 and still: Yes indeed…but one should, I suppose, feel some sympathy for someone whose life is so sad and bereft that on Christmas Day s/he still takes delight in pressing that DOWN button. And of course we have just made his/her morning by acknowledging him…surely it has to be a him? Or am I just old fashioned?
  
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  December 25, 2021 9:18am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Lol – I think we’re all getting old fashioned David! I keep seeing this word “Dinosaurs” ……..
    
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    December 25, 2021 9:24am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Just a note, mentioning downticks activates a blog “bot” that gives you a downtick ! 😉
      
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      December 25, 2021 11:28am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Noted Ed – see what you mean 🙂 – hope your Christmas day went well.
        
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        December 25, 2021 7:26pm
cmm

C’mon mma do your job:

Happy International Christmas Day!
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December 25, 2021 9:21am
- CJames
  
  Get it right cmm and follow the agenda – it is Happy Festive Season. Got to be all-inclusive.
  
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  December 25, 2021 9:34am
  - stewmar
    
    Happy holidays you mean
    
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    December 25, 2021 9:49am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Meri Kirihimete might suffice…
    
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    December 25, 2021 10:13am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Try English not the transliteration which is no substitute.
      Merry Christmas.
      
      Joy to the World the Lord has come,
      let the earth receive her King.
      
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      December 25, 2021 11:28am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I fail to understand the need to change the name for non-Christians of which I am one. I can be as happy on their sacred day as they are, and wish them well.
    
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    December 25, 2021 10:12pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Sorry cmm, I’m still recovering from Festivus.
  
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  December 25, 2021 9:38am
  - yossarian
    
    Those “feats of strengths” and “sharing of greviences” can take their toll!!
    
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    December 25, 2021 8:53pm
Chuck Bird

Merry Christmas to all except one very unkind communist.

Covid 19 Delta outbreak: Couple wanting home from Australia after cancer diagnosis face joblessness, uncertainty after border change

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-couple-wanting-home-from-australia-after-cancer-diagnosis-face-joblessness-uncertainty-after-border-change/7MDLDDP6GBZQLMFTWX66OZOX6Y/
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December 25, 2021 9:37am
- David Garrett
  
  So you aren’t invited to the wedding then Chuck?
  
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  December 25, 2021 9:57am
  - Spoff
    
    but..but…but….
    “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has offered up a piece of invaluable Christmas advice – how to fix a “pavlova disaster”.
    In a Facebook post on Christmas night, Ardern wished everyone a ‘’merry, merry Christmas”. And explained how to fix a cracked pav.”
    – Stuff.
    
    Next up. How do we fix a broken Media?
    
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    December 26, 2021 6:19am
Diogenes

Merry Christmas to all. The following was penned, I believe by an Australian, and seems to sum up the spirit of the occasion perfectly:

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the summer solstice holiday, practices within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all.
And,
A fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2022, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make Australia great, (not implying that Australia is necessarily greater than any other country or is the only “AUSTRALIA” in the western hemisphere),
This includes Australia, Australian recognized territories, emerging Australia, and yet to be acquired Australia through spoils of war and/or relinquishment of their nations sovereignty to Australia.
And without regard to race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, or sexual preference of the wisher.
By accepting this greeting you are accepting these terms.
This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.
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December 25, 2021 9:40am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The perfect card for every bureaucrat and lawyer.
  
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  December 25, 2021 10:16pm
Don Beckett

“He who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities” – Voltaire.
We have had this during this past year. Let us hope that the coming year will clear away the insanity.
Merry Christmas everybody.
(Reposted from late last night.)
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December 25, 2021 10:13am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  “Kindness” will give way to even more segregation and state-induced and encouraged violence against the disobedient, the more so the more people give in and thus the fewer hold outs. However, I truly believe that if everyone stands firm against the impending (full) tyranny, they will fail to impose it on us. You can deduce from their ongoing desparation, not just here but around the world, that the numbers of unvaxxed are far, far higher than they will admit (because admitting so will undermine their campaign).
  
  This guy is great. He is a Norwegian novelist/bush philosopher who has a very large and growing following.
  
  “Why are they dehumanizing the unvaccinated?”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gcjHStfkSA
  
  In a similar vein is this chap, a Brit living off-grid who goes by the name “The Woodlander”
  
  “We win this. Hold the line”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w99lhpov9TU
  
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  December 25, 2021 10:35am
- Fight4NZ
  
  On the basis of your first reply I wouldn’t be optimistic that insanity is going anywhere fast.
  But indeed Merry Christmas.
  
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  December 25, 2021 4:15pm
Jack5

Season’s greets to fellow Kiwiblog followers. …

Perhaps it’s the Christmas rich food …

I thought I was hallucinating when watching the Youtube video of Peruvian opera singer Juan Diego Flórez performing “Cucurrucucú Paloma” (link below).

The musician sitting behind him and at right angles to him was .. was … it couldn’t be … New Zealand politician Chris Finlayson. The glasses, the hair colour, face, the knowing grin.

The trance continued. Suddenly I detected the Finlayson-musician behind Diego Flórez murmuring to himself, “I bet I could get a sweetheart settlement for the indigenous Quechua from that mob in Lima.”

Juan Diego Flórez (good performance, worth listening to, any way) and immediately behind him holding a violin bow, the musician who became an apparition of Chris Finlayson:

https://youtu.be/Q7yfsNFoUvk

(It’s slightly unusual with the . Between tu and be, but the link works for me.)

And for those who have forgotten what Chris Finlayson looked like:

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/6/c/5/t/2/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1420×800.16k28h.png/1440581826052.jpg
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December 25, 2021 10:18am
- David Garrett
  
  Jack: O how I wish I could forget what Chris Finlayson looked like…the sneering duplicitous little man…but he’s usually in Thailand at this time of year…
  
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  December 25, 2021 11:42am
  - Cassandra
    
    That is very witty, DG, but a little unkind. Talking of Ron………………
    
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    December 25, 2021 2:59pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    Oh my head hit the wall. Laughing. I’ve met him.
    
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    December 25, 2021 4:59pm
All_on_Red

I reckon the Thug Life Award for 2021 goes to the guy in the video who just got Joe Biden to agree with ‘Lets Go Brandon’
Joe didn’t get it. Dr Jill did, but clearly they are keeping him in a bubble.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/12/24/lol-biden-tricked-into-agreeing-with-lets-go-brandon-during-norad-event-n1544318
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December 25, 2021 10:37am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It seems likely that geriatric presidents such as Biden and Trump need a special staff member to explain all the jokes about them that they wouldn’t understand.
  
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  December 25, 2021 11:02am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That’s the first thing Biden has said that makes any sense.
  
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  December 25, 2021 1:35pm
Inandout

AoR, unbelievable. Have never seen or heard of a US President so hazy of mind.
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December 25, 2021 11:05am
- Ed Snack
  
  Even CNN has noticed, but I am sure that Batman and the other Biden fanbois on this blog still reckon that he is as sharp as a pin !
  
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  December 25, 2021 6:10pm
KevO'Brien

Top level legal challenge:
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/vaccines-do-not-stop-covid-19-spread-governments-claim-legal-advocacy-group

Where are our big guns?
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December 25, 2021 11:33am
Ed Snack

Interesting paper out of Denmark. After three months both the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines give negative protection against catching Covid, significantly worse than being unvaccinated.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v2

This is against the Omicron variant specifically. Cause not speculated upon, but possibly VAIDS, vaccine acquired immune deficiency syndrome. Certainly worth further investigation, and maybe we are damn lucky that Omicron is for most barely distinguishable from a typical BCV “cold”.
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December 25, 2021 11:54am
- Fight4NZ
  
  The cause is speculated upon, ie behavioural differences and population proportions. Mandates necessarily mean more intermingling among the vaccinated and rapid waning of VE against Omicron it would be odd if this trend did not show up.
  The paper notably does not suggest VAIDS or similar. That was in the tweets which were notable for their antivaxxer flavour.
  One tweet states that a study ( unspecified) showed COVID antibody levels near zero after some months. Since protection wanes and in the absence of exposure, this is as expected, and obviously not less than the level that would be found in an unvaccinated, uninfected individual. More informative would be a measure to compare the immune response of each group to an exposure event.
  From hospitalisation rates I know who my money is on. But Omicron is certainly changing the picture.
  
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  December 25, 2021 7:24pm
Jack5

The Left and Woke tide sweeps on in the State- subsidised print media and State-owned TV and Radio, without pause for Christmas.

Today, the Herald provides a platform for Rawiri Waititi, of the tiny Maori Party to wish (his words): “A Kirihimete mihi to our Maori Battalion of 2021”.

The “Maori Battalion” is Maori health providers.

The subeditors at the Herald will get a sharp note from above for putting this behind the paywall.
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December 25, 2021 12:10pm
Nickc2

Herald questions NZ’s Foreign Policy shift on China. Well, look no further, the Solomon Islands have accepted China’s assistance in equipping and training their Police. We sent Police and Military personnel there to assist and to the best of my knowledge, some, if not all have come home. Herald question:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/something-has-shifted-in-nz-s-security-and-foreign-policy-for-china-says-analyst/ar-AAS7RG5?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
Solomon Island confirmation of Chinese assistance:
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/12/solomon-islands-government-formal-statement-on-accepting-chinese-police-to-operate-in-si.html
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December 25, 2021 1:27pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  That will inflame the situation in the S Is. They hate the PRC
  
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  December 25, 2021 7:15pm
Fletch

Tried to whip some of that long life cream today, but do you think we could? Even when chilled, didn’t want to…. ?
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December 25, 2021 2:19pm
Nickc2

Are the mods ignoring me today? None of my posts have been cleared today, first one posted at 10:56AM.
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December 25, 2021 3:04pm
- Joely Doe
  
  Maybe they have better things to do today…
  Fair enough too, I would have thought.
  
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  December 25, 2021 5:58pm
Monique Watson

Is it wrong to get a sore throat and finish Christmas shopping before I do an antigen test? So I can claim plausible deniability?
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December 25, 2021 4:57pm
CRT changes NZ into the New Zimbabwe

US smart men Has relevance to NZ
Law and order
Education
Woke

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6CTgN3xBles&feature=share
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December 25, 2021 5:40pm
mikenmildagain

I hope the moderators have had an enjoyable Christmas Day.
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