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CJames

Note how all the latest fear stories being put out are about how dangerously infectious Omicron is and how we might have to shut everything down again. There is no mention of how many people it has hospitalised, let alone killed. Nor is there mention of how the vaccines seem to have little effectiveness against it.
The worrying thing is that people are being suckered in by this scare campaign, All those second rate epidemiologists and celebrity “scientists” are relishing in their pronouncements about it becoming the end of the world. The decision makers are terrified that someone will look behind the curtain. Brendan O’Neill summed it up very well.
https://spiked-online.com/2021/12/13/we-cant-go-on-like-this/
What does it need for the charade to stop?
PS – I am glad to see DPF appears to be a regular reader of Spiked. They are way ahead of anything else on the free speech and freedom issues. Not bad for something put out by a slf-described Tory Marxist.
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December 18, 2021 8:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  To be honest Jacinda will be scared. All the evidence points to two doses of Pfizer being pretty useless against Omicron. If you were immunised a few months ago you have 30 percent protection compared to an unvaccinated person.
  
  Given its contagion level, without lock downs it will race through New Zealand. It will leave the traffic light system and vaccine passes in tatters. The whole system she has set up in the last 3 months will be useless.
  
  So she can either let it happen, or close the borders and go back to lockdowns.
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:14am
  - pdm
    
    BY the Traffic Light system was destined to be ineffective and a shambles even before it came into effect.
    
    It was solely a means of control and a hopeless idea at that.
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:18am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I will be getting a booster. While it will not stop me from getting covid it should reduce the severity of it.
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:21am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I’ll be waiting. If I see hundreds of people hospitalised and dying from Omicron I will get a booster. But I don’t think we will see that.
      
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      December 18, 2021 8:26am
      - Lee C
        
        When I was a boy we’d use Lemsip for this kind of thing, and stay hime for a day or two.
        
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        December 18, 2021 8:39am
      - pdm
        
        Hope you are not one of the ones dying BY – who is going to be the `intelligensia’ on the GD if you do.
        
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        December 18, 2021 8:40am
      - John Pakes
        
        I will do the same as Chuck. I see no threat at all in the booster so why not?
        
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        December 18, 2021 8:45am
      - oldfella
        
        BY, having seen in the last few months how getting Maori vax numbers up was like pushing water uphill with a rake, imagine telling that same community that they now need another shot to be safe because two shots don’t quite do the job?
        How big will the bribe packs of Macca and KFC need to be this time?
        
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        December 18, 2021 9:43am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        BY what will you do if it turns out that the vaccine is causing Original Antigenic Sin and that the boosters will only make that worse?
        
        “If Omicron is indeed circulating primarily among the vaccinated, as some data suggests, this (OAS) would seem to be one possibly reason why.”
        
        https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/original-antigenic-sin-is-a-real
        
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        December 18, 2021 1:36pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Also given these “fizzer” (~6 month burn time) vaccines, and given the fact that this virus (like most respiratory viruses) appears to be driven by seasonality in a major way, would it not be more sensible to think about doing “boosters” just before the onset of winter???
        
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        December 18, 2021 1:48pm
    - Cinematic
      
      What’s the point? The covid clearly struggles in NZ conditions. You’ll be on booster number 6 before Jacinda opens the country and covid arrives in force.
      
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      December 18, 2021 8:30am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Would everyone refusing to show up to work until this flop of a govt resigns be a goer?
        
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        December 18, 2021 1:51pm
    - cmm
      
      ” While it will not stop me from getting covid it should reduce the severity of it.”
      
      Err, weren’t the first two doses supposed to do that? Or do you believe that three is your lucky number.
      
      Chuck, bear in mind:
      * The vaccine seems ineffective (or at best has an extremely reduced effect) against Omicron after a short period (couple of months or so).
      * For the first week or two after getting vaccinated your immunity actually goes down, so you’re trading a period of reduced protection for a period of slightly improved protection.
      * In a few months Pfizer will be selling their new improved Omicron recipe. Do you intend to then line up for a fourth jab?
      
      It’s increasingly looking like the current vaccine is a “feel good” measure for Omicron. If it makes you feel safer, go for it.
      
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      December 18, 2021 8:42am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        Er, Omicron wasn’t around when vaccination started for Delta.
        Another surprise for you might be that petrol engines don’t run on diesel even though you can buy both at the same service station.
        But if it makes you feel smarter, go for it.
        
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        December 18, 2021 9:46am
      - cmm
        
        Brian, again picking up the wrong end of the stick.
        
        Nowhere did I say there was an issue with being vaccinated for Delta, but that was the old variant. You can’t get vaccinated now to improve your chances 6 months ago.
        
        Getting vaccinated for Delta is pretty much obsolete. If you’re forward looking (ie. for when the protection of a booster might kick in), then you’re looking at Omicron.
        
        For that, the vaccination seems rather ineffective.
        
        But, Brian, thanks – it is always interesting to get the viewpoint of someone who’s brain is wired completely differently from normal.
        
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        December 18, 2021 10:22am
    - mandk
      
      So they tell you.
      
      When Ardern’s game is all about power and control, it’s probably sensible to doubt anything she says.
      
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      December 18, 2021 10:30am
  - artemisia
    
    Or spin the good news and bury the bad in a word salad. Plus ça change ….
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:22am
  - Scott
    
    I actually think the Prime Minister is not unhappy to have an excuse to keep this crisis going as long as possible. This is what she ran on last time. If she plays her cards right maybe she can run on this next time?
    
    Lots of people out there support her. Lots of people think she is lovely and smiles nicely and speaks nicely and has saved us from Covid.
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:25am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      I agree. The last election was a Covid election and I am now seriously starting to think that Jacinda will try and make it last until the next election as they have failed on everything else.
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:04am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Lots of people are bloody stupid then aren’t they?
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:17am
      - Tomtoddy
        
        While I do agree about general stupidity it must be conceded that if you only grab your news from the first few minutes of TV and believe some of the “adviser” the govt uses you might well conclude that Jacinda is a saint who has saved us. Not everyone comes to this site to be better educated or bothers to do any investigation.
        
        Fearporn and a well greased MSM keep the uninformed happy in the adulation of our dear leader.
        
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        December 18, 2021 11:34am
    - kowtow
      
      That’s exactly how the Clown Bojo is playing it , new “crisis” to distract all and sundry from his poll busting, rule breaking ,Downing St parties.
      
      Sir Humphrey Appleby couldn’t have played it better.
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:44am
    - oc35
      
      Lots of people don’t think!
      
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      December 18, 2021 10:42am
    - The Boss
      
      Lots of people out there believe she walks on water.
      
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      December 18, 2021 11:18am
    - oldfella
      
      Scott, re Cindy and her desire to keep the Covid crisis going as long as possible, in a recent Bowalley Rd post discussing what he called Luxon’s smooth performance, Chris Trotter had this to say.
      Labour’s problem, however, is that Luxon is not a rough-hewn work-in-progress, still bearing the marks of the chisel. On the contrary, the man already offers a remarkably smooth surface to the camera’s gaze.
      Two more years of polishing. Two more years of coming to grips with the insatiable hunger of the 24-hour news cycle. Two more years of drawing the best from a caucus team already buoyed by the palpable change of mood across both party and country. Two more years of favourable poll numbers. Two more years of rising donations from the fabled “big end of town”. Two more years of refining National’s message and upgrading the means of delivering it – and Labour will be in a world of pain.
      How eagerly the Prime Minister must be awaiting medical science’s final judgement on the Omicron Variant. The worse, the better.
      http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2021/12/a-smooth-performance.html
      
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      December 18, 2021 11:59am
  - Sacha
    
    Poor Jacinda! Hoist on the horns of her own dilemma! I’m pretty sure some days she wakes up and wishes it would all go away.
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:34am
    - lifesgood
      
      Just as we wake up of a morning and wish she would go away.
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:12am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    What they could do is promote general health, get everyone’s zinc and Vit D levels up into optimal range for fighting off covid – cheap and effective and seems to eliminate most hospitalisations, and can get whole population up to ideal levels in a few weeks.
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:42am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    What and where exactly is all the evidence that points to two doses of Pfizer being pretty useless against Omicron? And is it useless against nfection with Omicron, or against getting sick and dying from it?
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:45am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Where is the evidence that you will get sick and die from omicron is the pertinent question not whether the vaccine is effective against it. There is no evidence but feel free to search.
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:18am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        There’s only three weeks of Omicron data. How could there be conclusive evidence of anything?
        
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        December 18, 2021 1:23pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Albert as you say, O-strain is relatively new and scientists are still getting the full picture. So the strategy with boosters in relation to it is “just try them and hope”??
      
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      December 18, 2021 3:59pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It will be lockdowns…..altho’ they may get a new name
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:21am
    - oldfella
      
      Maggy: Protective Homebased Detention? PHD for short, suggesting it’s a very clever options.
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:48am
      - Scooter
        
        PD – Periodic Detention more like
        
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        December 18, 2021 9:42pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/omicron-covid-variant-resistant-pfizer-vaccine-south-africa-rcna8678
    “The analysis, released Tuesday by the country’s largest health care administrator, found that on average 29 percent fewer people were being admitted to hospital in the region than previously with the delta variant. However, the study also found that two Pfizer jabs gave 70 percent protection against hospitalization from the new variant, compared with 90 percent seen in the delta wave.”
    I leave the mind-reading of the PM to you.
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:07am
  - Nickc2
    
    Talk around the town is that the South Island will be locked down by Christmas.
    
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    December 18, 2021 11:39am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ardern deserves to be terrified. She has deliberately imposed that horrible emotion on a large proportion of the NZ population in the pursuit of her own agenda. Who knows what that is but it is nothing to do with health.
    
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    December 18, 2021 1:30pm
- Lee C
  
  CJ – This interview with a ‘Health Minister’ in teh UK will put the terror that is Omicron into persopective:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykVu6j-JP78
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:24am
  - artemisia
    
    I’m sure he was referring to Decepticon, clearly something completely different.
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:36am
    - Lee C
      
      LoL.
      
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      December 18, 2021 8:53am
  - emmess
    
    Ironic that the elderly gentleman who was besmirched by his stepson as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ is marked down as a victim of the actual conspiracy of inflating the numbers by deliberately counting ‘deaths with’ alongside ‘deaths of’
    
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    December 18, 2021 12:00pm
- Leofric
  
  That article perfectly mirrors the situation here. And with the figures somebody posted yesterday (hundreds of thousands of omicron infections in the UK but only 15 hospitalizations), one really does start to wonder what the hell is going on.
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:24am
  - Debsta
    
    Some of us wondered what the hell was going on 19 months ago
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:58am
    - Leofric
      
      True. I worded that poorly.
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:12pm
- cmm
  
  Cornered rats fight the hardest.
  
  That’s why we’re seeing massive Omicron over-hype. They know that Omicron is the beginning of the end.
  
  Much is being made of the South African statistic that more Omicron positive children are in hospital, but that does not mean that the Omicron is putting them in hospital. Indeed, a closer look the stats indicate otherwise – they are there for other reasons and are coincidentally Omicron positive. We can tell that from looking at things like the oxygenation rates.
  
  But many public health people who know this are all in on the power rush and will be jabbing the kids – with an obsolete and generally ineffective – vaccine.
  
  What is criminal, IMHO, is that the very people who are supposed to be providing ALL the information are cherry picking it for fear porn that fits their career agendas.
  
  Worse yet, by suppressing information like the importance of Vit D and Zinc they are leading to worse health outcomes for the population – particularly Maori who are supposed to get extra care.
  
  They are achieving exactly the opposite of what they are employed to do.
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:33am
  - I remember when
    
    Contagious.
    You can catch it more than once.
    It’s a corona virus.
    
    Like, similar to a cold?
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:49am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “Like, similar to a cold?”
      
      Apparently in that it mutates quickly and prodigiously, yes.
      
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      December 18, 2021 4:20pm
  - Sacha
    
    I saw this interview last night . Who wouldn’t like to have a GP like this man to give them every day good advice? He has the confidence of on the ground successful experience:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9h-XQm2qEY
    
    I’m keeping up the vitamins and zinc for the foreseeable future – and guess what my fully vaccinated family are getting as stocking fillers on Christmas Day?
    That’s right – bottles of pills. Makes a change from chocolates.
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:49am
    - notreadyet
      
      That John Campbell from UK has a report every day and talks a lot of sense, and yes the Israel Dr was great
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:38am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Cmm unfortunately only have one uptick to give. You nailed it.
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:25am
  - Paulus
    
    Am already amazes at the numerous and vocal Mothers’ opposition to the under age vaccination.
    Not just Maori which is a given attitude anyway, but so called ordinary mothers.
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:46am
    - alloytoo
      
      Yes, clearly mothers understand Risk when it pertains to their offspring.
      
      It’s refreshing.
      
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      December 18, 2021 11:55am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I saw on tv last night Bloomfield totally fuelling the scaremongering – as a health professional surely he has read no deaths except one unvaxxed patient and even then, bet they didn’t die from covid, minimal hospitalisation …. A non event really. Pity he doesn’t pitch up to any metropolitan Auckland hospital to see the carnage of lockdowns, restricted care, disproportionate allocation of staff to a tiny handful of covid patients, staff leaving in droves, missed diagnoses …..
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Blofeld is a Jaspinda sycophant
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:06am
    - bronny1
      
      Apparently, from someone at MOH, he can’t stand her. They had a falling out 18 mth or so ago.
      
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      December 18, 2021 1:17pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Well he sure as hell don’t support National. I think the falling out was more political theatre to divert our attention. Jaspinda is as cunning as a shithouse rat
        
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        December 18, 2021 2:18pm
- mandk
  
  At least we don’t seem to be hearing from the charlatan modeler, Shaun Hendy, anymore.
  
  That’s a blessing.
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hendy is another sycophant. Given a pre determined result and designs a model to achieve that result.
    Full of shit.
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:07am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      And given 5 million dollars taxpayer money to create his fantasy fiction.
      
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      December 18, 2021 2:10pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes Siousxie and Shaun have gone very quiet. Perhaps someone has asked Shaun now that we have the more infectious Delta and Omicron variants, does he still think 80,000 New Zealanders are going to die.
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:08am
    - Leofric
      
      Shhh…
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:14pm
  - cmm
    
    He can see the future. He’s probably gone back to modelling climate changes and stuff.
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:21am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Modern haruspicy (reading of entrails), and about as reliable.
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:25am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      With $6 million in taxpayer funds to tide him over…
      
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      December 18, 2021 12:25pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      See things like Greta can see CO2?
      
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      December 18, 2021 3:06pm
  - oldfella
    
    Yes, mandk, he’s become a bit like Waldo, leading me to wonder: Where In The World is Shaun Hendy?
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:54am
- Ruawai
  
  The govt should worry about severity of a disease more than it’s infection rate.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:01am
- Geoffs
  
  https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/joe-hildebrand-australias-panicked-reaction-to-case-numbers-exposes-an-inconvenient-truth/news-story/513d6ed938ff1620bff63e3fc82e2c86
  
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  December 18, 2021 10:46am
- Fishing in the dark
  
  How did this Omikron virus found its way into this country? Before you are boarding a plane supposing you need a negative PCR test and be double vaxxed.
  Another successful trick by communistic organisation
  
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  December 18, 2021 12:14pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Because the tests are useless and the vaccines don’t stop infection or transmission. There you go, nice easy answer and you don’t even need a peer reviewed study to find out if it’s true because it is!
    
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    December 18, 2021 2:12pm
mikenmildagain

Happy International Migrants Day!
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December 18, 2021 8:00am
- cmm
  
  Thank you MMA. As an immigrant I appreciate that.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:03am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Nope. He said “migrant”, not “immigrant”. There is a difference.
    
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    December 18, 2021 2:01pm
    - Mike
      
      cmm migrated to New Zealand as a consequence of the end of white supremacy in his birthplace
      
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      December 18, 2021 6:43pm
      - cmm
        
        Wow. A mind reader!
        
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        December 18, 2021 10:35pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  They don’t get vaxxed because claims by them are not covered in the national supply agreements.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:14am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    See here:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/refugees-lack-covid-shots-because-drugmakers-fear-lawsuits-documents-2021-12-16/
    
    I have seen other reports of this too.
    
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    December 18, 2021 6:05pm
Reid

Irish Senator Sharon Keogan shares her views regarding mandatory “vaccinations” at the global level

https://rumble.com/vqw7kn-senator-sharon-keogan-shares-her-views-regarding-mandatory-vaccinations-at-.html
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December 18, 2021 8:05am
- Lee C
  
  Yes, the cracks are beginning to show, and the pharma-scam is beginning to emerge, like that iceberg in the film about an ‘unsinkable’ vessel.
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:59am
Truman lodge

Level 4 lockdown is coming in a few weeks. Go hard Go early.. But the key to ending it is to get your 12th booster..
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December 18, 2021 8:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda is trying hard to make it all look like there will be no lockdown, when in reality that is exactly what she wants.
  I’m getting my control back you bastard peasants
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:11am
Benedict Yu

So figure this out. The Australian Cricket captain who of course is vaccinated, is banned from participating in a test match, a huge test match. Not because he has COVID. Because someone in an Adelaide restaurant has COVID. And he had a meal in that restaurant. Now he has had to charter a plane to get home to Sydney.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/pat-cummins-approved-to-fly-home-nsw-covid-ashes-second-test-adelaide-australia-england/2021-12-17

Over summer I have no intention of getting a COVID test unless I become obviously sick.
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December 18, 2021 8:09am
- Weetbix3ways
  
  And if you do get sick and test positive, what kind of treatment do you think you’ll get? Go home and take an aspirin? Lie in a hospital bed and wait and see if they’ll eventually need to put you on a ventilator?
  
  Better off staying home, and treating yourself with one of the various and proven treatment protocols available that medical establishments and especially politicians are not allowed to admit exists.
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You mean those medical establishments that sell Jack Daniels and Glenfiddich?
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:13am
- pdm
  
  BY my understanding is Cummins was at the restaurant with teammates. Why haven’t they been stood down?
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:21am
  - MCōs
    
    Because they we outside where there was plenty of air circulation.
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:53am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Because Cummins close to dine indoors, which is where the Covid-positive person was. The rest of the team dined outdoors, so are only regarded as casual contacts, not a close contact like Cummins.
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:02am
    - oldfella
      
      Tony, at least Australia had a credible vice-captain ready and willing to take over the reigns. /s /barf
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:58am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Steve “Sandpaper” Smith, you mean? There were few tears shed in this household when Anderson got one to keep low, and trapped him LBW just seven runs short of his hundred.
        
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        December 18, 2021 10:03am
- Cinematic
  
  Why get tested if you’re sick?
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:24am
  - Ruahine
    
    Apologies Cinematic for hijacking your comment.
    
    You have to get tested otherwise how will you know that you are sick.
    If only people would do as they are told then we would not have to any lockdowns or travel restrictions. Look at all the freedoms we could then have.
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:23am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    The only reason I’d get tested is if there was a “Naturally Immune”, already had it, so no vax required category.
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:25am
- cmm
  
  It’s all theatre. Now everything makes sense.
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:43am
- MCōs
  
  I note in the UK case numbers are sky rocketing.
  From what I read this new variation, omicron, caused no symptoms in a good percentage of those afflicted.
  Logically therefore if only obviously sick people are being tested it must be far more widespread that the numbers indicate.
  I don’t know & I don’t know if anybody knows yet, but even if most people who catch the bug are not particularly crook one would suspect a good few a still going to be knocked around.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:06am
  - Paulus
    
    Are there still something like 65 million known people in the UK ?
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:49am
- Nickc2
  
  Ah, but the ACB (Aust Cricket Board) got what they wanted. Steve Smith (Mr. Sandpaper) is back as Captain. It shows he’s still held in high esteem eh?
  Devious bastards!
  
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  December 18, 2021 12:08pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Whatever you do don’t get a rapid antigen test. I was informed by a nurse at Greenlane that they are 49% accurate. Terrible way to be compelled to self isolate along with friends and family and casual contacts.
  As for the PCR, make sure you find out what ct they are using. Anything over 28 is worse than useless. So Dr Fauci said. Last I heard was NZ is running them at 40 cycles.
  No thank you.
  
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  December 18, 2021 2:17pm
KevO'Brien

International Criminal Court proceedings have begun:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/big-pharma-execs-gates-fauci-uk-officials-charged-with-crimes-against-humanity-in-international-court/

Don’t let NZ be suckered by another round of omicron. If we do there may not be a NZ left.
Fear is their weapon against us.
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December 18, 2021 8:11am
- RichardX
  
  KevO’Brien
  International Criminal Court proceedings have begun:
  https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/big-pharma-execs-gates-fauci-uk-officials-charged-with-crimes-against-humanity-in-international-court/
  
  Don’t let NZ be suckered by another round of omicron. If we do there may not be a NZ left.
  Fear is their weapon against us.
  
  DECEMBER 18, 2021 8:11AM
  
  Do you believe this case will be as successful as the one claimed to have been filed against Israel in March?
  
  https://web.archive.org/web/20210324130105/https://www.archyde.com/international-criminal-court-accepts-israeli-governments-nuremberg-code-violation-complaint/
  
  https://web.archive.org/web/20210313233056/https://greatreject.org/nuremberg-israel-pfizer-genocide/
  
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  December 18, 2021 10:59am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I know little at this stage. European lawyers have had enough. I have seen presentation by Germans, This case I understand has been initiated by Dutch.
    
    This could have repercussions here.
    
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    December 18, 2021 1:11pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      This one is to stop vaccinations etc in UK. I must have had it confused with the other two which had cone to my notice.
      
      (LIFESITE NEWS) – A group that includes former Pfizer vice president Dr. Michael Yeadon filed a complaint with the International Criminal Court (ICC) on behalf of UK citizens against Boris Johnson and UK officials, Bill and Melinda Gates, chief executives of Big Pharma companies, World Economic Forum executive chairman Klaus Schwab, and others for crimes against humanity.
      
      The UK group, including an astrophysicist and a funeral director, additionally charged Dr. Anthony Fauci; Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO); June Raine, chief executive of Medicines and Healthcare products regulatory agency (MHRA); Dr. Radiv Shah, president of the Rockefeller Foundation; and Dr. Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, as “responsible for numerous violations of the Nuremberg Code … war crimes and crimes of aggression” in the UK and other countries.
      
      After repeated unsuccessful attempts to raise a case with the English Court system, the applicants resorted to calling with “the utmost urgency” for the ICC “to stop the rollout of COVID vaccinations, introduction of unlawful vaccination passports and all other types of illegal warfare … being waged against the people of the UK.”
      
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      December 18, 2021 1:49pm
      - Mike
        
        This ‘complaint’ to the ICC will have as much impact as you writing to our governor-general asking her to dismiss the prime minister.
        
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        December 18, 2021 6:49pm
Lee C

Interesting Kev. You know the information has been out there all this time for anyone with the wit to engage in some research.

But whole populations followed these psychopaths, zombie-like, into the abyss.

Unfortunately you can’t put entire populations on trial for vaccinating children, (babies next) even though The Neuremburg Code specifically indicates that
being ignorant and just following orders are not acceptable defenses.

Let us hope our big pharma puppets – sorry – ‘political representatives’ take heed of these recent events.
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December 18, 2021 8:18am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I have simply watched the daily reports from the original out of Sth Africa “nothing to worry about” to Boris’s UK where they’re about to put their heads down the toilet and pull the chain.
  
  The experts can kill off a society at their say so, but what’s their rights?
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:20am
CJames

I see there is now the big scare about a child dying with Covid. Note how it wasn’t the reason they were in hospital, though those details are being fudged. That suggests it is not the cause or even major complication. We know gunshots are Covid deaths. How many of this break’s road toll will be?
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December 18, 2021 8:22am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  And on The BFD site which has turned into the most horrible and rabid anti vax place of you dare give your own opinion, people wrote in with assumptions the child had been vaxxed, the parents were also dead …. This country has gone mental fuelled by Cindy and her mates
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:29am
  - jedmo
    
    Speaking of the BFD, what’s happened? I can’t get onto the site anymore.
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:07am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Apparently a post from 2 days ago by Cam has gone viral and so it is overloaded.
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:20am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      You may need a human friendly browser. It’s OK on mine, Brave with Qwant search engine.
      I am detecting more external interference with messages considered by others to be undesirable. Google is going to have to go from my world. They are supposed to be my servant not the other way about.
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:25am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        You’re getting it for free so you are the product.
        
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        December 18, 2021 9:26am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I’m tolerant of a certain amount of interchange in exchange for the product use but Google are predators.
        
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        December 18, 2021 1:14pm
    - yobi
      
      Cam wrote a rather good article about cindy and it has gone a little bit viral, hence their server is struggling to cope with the traffic.
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:37am
  - redeye
    
    Slater and his merry men when hell for leather promoting NZ First in 2017 as the party to keep National honest.
    Pfft. I refuse to support them as rational political commentators and haven’t been to any of his sites since.
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:36am
    - ByGolly
      
      We all make mistakes. It is still an excellent site.
      
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      December 18, 2021 10:42am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Jebus, Winston has been a Narcissist transparently in it for himself for 30 years (I remember jokes about his ego from when he was still in National). How thick do you need to be to not to know that he would shaft his own mum for any chance to play the big man and fondle the baubles (of high office).
        
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        December 18, 2021 1:20pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes and so what. This is data from 2017. On average 21 children under 5 die in the UK EVERY DAY.
  
  https://www.childbereavementuk.org/death-bereavement-statistics
  
  Of course, from a health perspective, children today live in paradise compared to 60 years ago and certainly 100 years ago. And COVID has not changed that.
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:33am
  - surfing
    
    “I see there is now the big scare about a child dying with Covid. ”
    
    “Yes and so what.”
    
    So what that a 9 year old child died the other day? Kiwibloggers reaching new lows I’m afraid.
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:47am
    - cmm
      
      Why are you politicizing this particular death – one that was likely caused by comorbidities rather than CV19? That is a disgusting exploitation of a child’s death.
      
      Did you get upset by the RSV deaths (some of which were caused by RSV, some comorbidities)?
      
      Kids die too. It might be sad when it happens, but it is what happens in the real world and that is not enough to reason to ignore the statistics – that it is very uncommon.
      
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      December 18, 2021 9:27am
      - surfing
        
        I wouldn’t have objected had he not used the words “So what”. It is callous.
        
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        December 18, 2021 10:21am
      - cmm
        
        Zooming out and looking at it on a whole population it is “so what”.
        
        “So what” doesn’t mean heartlessness. It means that it should not influence our thinking.
        
        Overamplifying the emotion of individual cases prevents us from making good decisions.
        
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        December 18, 2021 2:30pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      You are being irrational.
      
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      December 18, 2021 10:25am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Stop with your faux outrage and get a grip. What you should be outraged about is the fact that the sycophantic media deliberately portrayed the sad death of a child as covid death. It is a great example of actual disinformation at work.
      Ardern and her people have been using fear and terror for 2 years to serve their political aims. That’s where you should be venting, not at someone pointing out that people including children die every day.
      
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      December 18, 2021 2:28pm
    - mandk
      
      According to the MoH, there is an average of one death among children aged under ten in NZ every day.
      
      Have you lamented the deaths of the other 364?
      
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      December 18, 2021 2:50pm
  - fernglas
    
    The child was only tested for Covid after death, because it had been in contact with someone who tested positive. So clearly there was nothing prior to death that indicated any sign of the virus.
    In the UK, the chances of a child dying from Covid are about one in two million, whereas in NZ, under 5 child mortality rates are about 4.5 per 1000. So it is likely the child died from something completely unrelated, whether it be a pre-existing illness, an accident in the playground or something that happened at home.
    Concealing the true reasons for death is just fuelling the fear under the pretence of privacy. Privacy, like all rights, is subject to justified limitations, and surely the public’s right not to be wrongly frightened is one of those limitations.
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:00am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yep, above 40x more likely that even for a child who catches covid they will die of something other than covid this year.
      
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      December 18, 2021 1:28pm
  - MCōs
    
    It’s any interesting thing, Benedict.
    I was a child about 64 years ago. Back then we didn’t know we weren’t living in paradise.
    My Mum thought we were because she told some Seventh Day Adventists who came knocking on the door and asked her if she wanted to live in paradise.
    She said that sitting in the grass by Lake Alexandrina with her kids was paradise.
    We never saw them again.
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:32am
- DeepBlue
  
  This poor child died for a cause yet to be determined and so they tested for Covid post mortem. The child was a contact of a case.
  
  This certainly seems like a ‘died with” case beat up.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:19am
  - surfing
    
    The government really needs to be open about causes of death. Even when they know they probably won’t say.
    
    What is the issue with saying whether comorbidities existed? The government says privacy.. but, they’re not releasing the name… and what about transparency?
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:27am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Now you’re getting to the right questions surfing. There has been the most abhorrent narrative control going on since the beginning of this clown show. Why? Why is relevant information being withheld? Why is everything centred around a “vaccine” that is more and more being shown to be almost useless?
      Why is normal health advice not being given to people? Why are millions of dollars being spent repeating the mantra “jab, jab, jab”? Why has a system of segregation been implemented which has no other purpose than to force even more people to be jabbed? They do nothing to stop spread of the virus.
      Why the obsession with inflating case numbers even though it has no bearing on illness or death?
      There is something horribly wrong happening. This country is being dismantled bit by bit. If this is an accident then I will be astonished. Nobody can be that incompetent, even Ardern and her party of fools.
      
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      December 18, 2021 2:34pm
Yvette

Not covid, but other killers
I intended this comment to go with the 7am David Farrar post of The shameful silence on the Waukesha massacre, but by the time I have tapped it out, kiwibloggers may have moved past that, so I put it here in Genera Debate –

Utterly simplistically there seems to be two crimes – that Darrell Brooks did what he did and then people, who know, not saying why he did it.

But is it not echoed in New Zealand here, in the Christchurch Mosques Massacres, heinously perpetrated by not an SUV, but an unnamed gunman and generally attributed to Islamiphobia and his being a “white supremest”, dismissing his own label as an “ecco-terrorist”, but in fact his slaying was exacted because the victims are an example of supposed fertile “invaders” who if given a chance would oust a European way of life [Care is preserving a way of life for generations] – as recorded by the unnamed gunman himself.

Surely, just as “… there are things we already know about Mr Brooks that make the silence of the woke elites even more curious, and shameful …” is it not more a sin of omission. to after no trial but a Royal Commission of Inquiry, for there clear reason and explanation of Tarrant’s actions to be no publicised, but to mis-direct his intent?

So “another crime here” is not only not acknowledging the real motivation (although, not only absolutely and utterly wrong in original intent, but also fatally – literally and figuratively – wrong in choice of New Zealand as venue).

We were born from our lands and our own culture was moulded by these same lands .The protection and preservation of these lands is of the same importance as the protection and preservation of our own ideals and beliefs.
– not James Shaw, any other Green, even a Kiwi member of a world War II Battalion, nor a Maori activist, but Brenton Harrison Tarrant (to give him his full name, and name him for who he is and what he did) – quote source: international media report freely available in New Zealand. One spelling mistake corrected for legal reasons of not making a complete quote.

Disclaimer: I abhor what Tarrant did and in no way consider a fuller explanation of his motivation in any slightest way minimises his crime.
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December 18, 2021 8:29am
- Yvette
  
  Further disclaimer –
  In making the above comment I had no idea of this being current this morning –
  Norwegian terrorist’s manifesto, which inspired Christchurch killer, banned in New Zealand
  Writings of a Norwegian mass killer who inspired the man who carried out the Christchurch mosque attacks have been banned in New Zealand.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/12/norwegian-terrorist-s-manifesto-which-inspired-christchurch-killer-banned-in-new-zealand.html
  
  – but would point out, that in an article they link to, the lazy or blatantly wrong (malicious, for some other agenda), labelling of Tarrant is subtly made –
  dated 01/04/2019 – so before even the Royal Commission Inquiry outcome –
  The Chief Censor’s call to ban the alleged Christchurch gunman’s manifesto last week sparked cries of censorship.
  The Free Speech Coalition, which includes such influential voices such as former Reserve Bank Don Brash, history professor Paul Moon and Taxpayers’ Union founder Jordan Williams, called it a “completely improper use of censorship powers”, and said it would challenge the decision in court.
  But Newshub can reveal the white nationalist’s manifesto is far from the first terrorist-penned publication to have been deemed too much for Kiwi eyes.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/04/christchurch-terror-attack-the-41-terror-publications-you-didn-t-know-the-censor-banned.html
  
  QED
  
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  December 18, 2021 11:39am
Cassandra

Recent media reports on 2022’s Big Issues (with an eye on 23’s election) list all sorts of things and not one word on Maori separatism or Labour’s blatant bribery of the tribes. IMO that is the major issue – everything else is politics as usual.
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December 18, 2021 8:31am
WaveyDavey

Expressions of our times – and what they really mean

Unconscious bias: I can’t find any actual evidence.
Systemic inequality: I can’t find any actual evidence here, either.
Equity: Enforced equality with an iron fist.
Diverse: Not diverse.
Inclusive: Inclusive of different faces, not opinions.
That’s unhelpful: Shut up.
That’s problematic: No, really, shut up.
The wrong side of history: I think the calendar dictates morality.
I think you’ll find that…: I’m smug and condescending.
It really is that simple: I’m exceptionally smug and condescending.
Brave: Conceited.
Transwomen are women: Wouldn’t it be great if all this Monopoly money was real?
I’m empowered: I write about myself. And my tits.
Being woke just means being polite: Shut the fuck up, you fucking fuck.

Shamelessly lifted from https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/12/17/no-both-sides-of-the-culture-war-are-not-as-bad-as-each-other/
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December 18, 2021 8:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Monopoly money real? LOL
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:16am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Have a conversation: I’ll tell you what to think; you’ll listen.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:25am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Nice one
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:48am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Read a book/Educate yourself: My arguments don’t hold water
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:48am
    - quarterpack
      
      Aspirational goal=probably never going to get around to doing anything about it
      Long term aspirational goal= never ever going to get around to doing anything about it
      
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      December 18, 2021 10:52am
  - Bluegrass
    
    ‘Shut up’, she explained.
    
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    December 18, 2021 12:57pm
- Fletch
  
  What about Jacinda’s ready comeback quip, “I reject that”. I guess she can’t answer “that’s not true”, because in most cases she is lying.
  
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  December 18, 2021 10:29am
- mandk
  
  I refute that = I don’t like what you argued, but I don’t have a reasonable counter-argument.
  
  I reject the premise of the question = I don’t have a valid response, so I’m just going to denigrate you.
  
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  December 18, 2021 2:56pm
Suze Wainwright

Is 9 long years of neglect no longer currency as a quick put down from this govt?

I notice anything (most things) that this govt knows it hasn’t got a hope in hades of fixing is now due to decades of under investment (especially when uttered by the Hon Megan Woods). That way they can say yes, previous Labour govts may have been involved, but it must have been the fault of Roger Douglas. Labour are still the team to lead the country, of course…
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December 18, 2021 8:39am
lazza

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Quote:

“mandk
Given that the risk to children of a COVID infection is extremely low, I am amazed that any parent would consider approving the jab for their kids”.

Following the death yesterday from the virus of a 0 to 9 year old … Still think this ???
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December 18, 2021 8:44am
- Cinematic
  
  Yes.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:00am
- fernglas
  
  Death with the virus, not from. They didn’t even test the child until after death, so obviously the child showed no symptoms of Covid. It was only tested because a contact had tested positive.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:03am
  - MCōs
    
    Not necessarily correct.
    From the sparse info released by the MOH all the public knows is the kid had covid-19.
    Anything else is speculation except the kid was crook enough to die or had an accident.
    
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    December 18, 2021 11:26am
    - fernglas
      
      Pretty obviously the child was not showing any symptoms of Covid on admission to hospital or it would have been tested prior to death. That is logic, not speculation. Statistically, it is far more likely to have died from an accident or some other extraneous cause, or because of a pre-existing condition than from Covid. That too is logic, not speculation.
      
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      December 18, 2021 7:50pm
- cmm
  
  Do you know what “extremely low” means?
  It does not mean zero.
  
  Are you sure of your statement that the death was from the virus? Are you sure it was not WITH the virus?
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:10am
- Opie
  
  Yea some kid who was so sick with covid symptoms they didnt think to test him untill after he died.
  
  Tell us what the actual cause of death is please?
  
  My suspicion is this kid was about as affected by covid as the guy who was shot to death in his driveway and registered as a covid death.
  
  How about giving us the actual info so we can make informed decisions, or should we all just hide under the bed with lazza?
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:10am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Your comment highlights one of the greatest tragedies of Ardern’s relentless, narcissistic obsession with being right all of the time. Her twisting of facts and data to suit her political narrative has made a whole generation now highly suspicious of once respected institutions. It is a mistrust that will take many years to win back. I have lost all faith in the medical system. I have completely lost what little trust I had in government and media. I will spend what is left of my life communicating this mistrust to anyone prepared to listen. I have lost friends and been distanced from family. My contempt for this government and Ardern in particular is on a scale I did not think was possible. I am horrified at what I have witnessed over the last 2 years.
    
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    December 18, 2021 2:43pm
- yobi
  
  Lazza, where is your fact based evidence that this child died of covid19?
  
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  December 18, 2021 10:34am
I remember when

I remember looking at tombstones, in an old London cemetery, with up to eight children from a family who had died before reaching adulthood.
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December 18, 2021 8:45am
- cmm
  
  It was common until 1950s or so in the West (until antibiotics became readily available) and is still fairly common in Africa.
  
  I spent a lot of time in rural areas in South Africa in the 1970s and early 1980s (we had a holiday cottage/shack on the Transkei coast). We’d often see a mother with a baby and hear 6 months later that the baby had died. But don’t worry, there’s another one on the way (points to her growing belly).
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:15am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    A lot of cultures wouldn’t name kids until they were a year or two old due to high infant mortality.
    
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    December 18, 2021 11:13am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We have them here in Wellington. Bolton Street Cemetery has a family showing diphtheria taking out probably all their children (about 5 from recollection).
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:32am
- mandk
  
  Back in C19th, there were three boys in one generation of my direct paternal line named William.
  
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  December 18, 2021 3:02pm
Bridgenag

Don’t know if this will be of interest…..

From The Daily Telegraph.

 
“Jacinda Ardern’s government has abstained in a vote against Nazism in the United Nations.
The UN General Assembly has adopted a resolution condemning Nazism, neo-Nazism and all forms of racism, which was co-sponsored by Russia. The US and Ukraine again voted against it, while 49 countries, mainly US allies, including New Zealand abstained.
The resolution on “Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices” that contribute to racism, xenophobia and intolerance was adopted with 130 votes in favor, the Russian permanent mission to the UN announced on Thursday. Moscow has submitted the motion annually, in recent years, and Washington and Kiev have consistently opposed.
The resolution also urges member states to “eliminate all forms of racial discrimination by all appropriate means, including legislation,” and states that discrimination based on race, ethnicity, religion or belief such as “neo-Nazism, Islamophobia, Christianophobia and antisemitism” harms not just the targeted groups but the society in general. “
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December 18, 2021 8:45am
- cmm
  
  Elimination of all forms of discrimination would kill the Maori policies stone dead.
  
  Can’t have that.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:17am
- rangitoto
  
  Russian definition of Nazism = Ukraine Government. Just name calling. Putin’s mob are no better.
  
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  December 18, 2021 1:14pm
Lee C

It warms the cockles of my heart to see people attacking the issue with actual data.

What will bring this down in the end is the combined weight of all the contradictions we have been asked to blindly accept.

When even the staunchest kool-aid-intoxicated boy-scout (but mostly Girl-Guide) will have to begrudgingly admit that the arguments are hollow, it will crash, and some opportunistic political emergent will jump on the emerging movement to throw a torch on the whole rotten thing.

The clock’s ticking, Wellington.

Tick-Tock…..
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December 18, 2021 8:46am
- Albert_Ross
  
  What actual data? I asked earlier what and where is the evidence that two doses of Pfizer is useless against omicron, and got nothing but four (so far) downticks. What actual data?
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:18am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Albert – I did a quick search and Pfzier acknowledge that 2 shots is very limited protection against Omicron. The same report said 3 shots push back up to a 70% protection but didn’t say for how long. (It was a CNN report so I take it with a grain of salt as it will be a thinly re-written pharma press release but what the hey)
    
    Do your own research and post the counter factuals – stop with the demanding of ”show your proof” all the time. its really tiresome and adds zero to the discussion.
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:09am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    No offence but this might be a bit complex for you. I struggle with the data but if the conclusion is correct then it may well be that it is the vaccine that is driving the omicron surge and it will impact the vaccinated worst. Something that was predicted by a number of experts many months ago – they advised you should never vaccinate during a pandemic.
    
    “Original Antigenic Sin is a real phenomenon. It seems not only to permanently influence the immune response to the spike protein itself, but also to inhibit the development of antibodies to other SARS-2 proteins. A worst case scenario, would be a future spike mutation that entirely escapes the anti-spike antibodies elicited by our vaccines. In this case, it seems possible that many vaccinated people will be stuck with permanently suboptimal immune responses. If Omicron is indeed circulating primarily among the vaccinated, as some data suggests, this would seem to be one possibly reason why. These concerns are particularly acute in the case of children, who may well be exposed to the risk of very serious illness in the future, if vaccination permanently misdirects their immune system.”
    
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/are-covid-vaccines-reducing-hospitalizations
    
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    December 18, 2021 2:52pm
- mawm
  
  The mask-wearing, chicken Littles are slowly realising that they are on the wrong side of the evidence no matter how hard Fauci, the CDC and the MSM are trying to suppress the truth.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Lee C you will appreciate reading this then.
  
  are covid vaccines reducing hospitalizations and deaths? (spoiler: it does not look like it)
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/are-covid-vaccines-reducing-hospitalizations
  
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  December 18, 2021 2:48pm
WaveyDavey

On Omicron hype…

Firstly, I am no expert on viruses – I’m sure you’re shocked to hear that – but I thought I’d do a little looking at the numbers

Again, this variant may go in any direction, it may be mild or it may be worse

But what I want to address is the misuse of numbers by both the UK and NZ media

Currently we are being bombarded with case numbers, we’ve moved on from deaths – maybe because there weren’t actually enough of them to terrify us

Anyway, I looked at a couple of dates to see what this massive increases in cases was all about. The dates were Nov 27 (pre Omicron) and Dec 13 (Omicron)

And yes the numbers testing positive had increased massively – from 33,000 in Nov to 77,000 in Dec – more than doubling

However the number that our (and the UK) media fails to tell us is how many tests were performed. And that figure has grown from 725,000 in Nov to 1.3m in Dec

Looking at the percentages makes more sense and to save you the job I’ve done it

Positives as a percentage of tests were 4.5% in Nov and 5.9% in Dec

So despite the “exponential increase” that we’ve been told has ALREADY happened with Omicron the numbers show a 25% increase
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December 18, 2021 8:46am
- Cinematic
  
  It’s highly unlikely to be worse.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:02am
- oc35
  
  Well done you should give Prof Hendy a lesson in basic stats.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:43pm
cmm

Why oxygenation rates matter.

Very few health organisations are keeping stats as to why SARS-COV-2 positive patients are in hospital. Since they could easily gather this important data, this can only be deliberate suppression of information.

But many do still leak out some information by releasing oxygenation stats.

Why would a person be admitted to hospital for CV19 (rather than just spending a couple of days in bed at home)? Because they can’t breath properly in which case they will be getting oxygen.

So when we see the number of SARS-COV-2 positive patients go UP, but the oxygenation rate goes DOWN we know that the patients are not there because of CV19. They are in hospital for other reasons (broken legs, bullet holes and having babies etc) and incidentally have tested positive for the virus.

Also bear in mind that people also get oxygen for other reasons. For example I got oxygen when I had afib. Many of the SARS-COV-2 positive patients receiving oxygen are not getting it because of CV19.

Rinse and repeat for ICU numbers.
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December 18, 2021 8:57am
- mawm
  
  Oxygenation (medically) usually refers to the oxygen getting into the blood. Oxygen usage would probably be a better term.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:32am
  - cmm
    
    If we’re going to be nit-picky then oxygen usage is a dumb term: we’re all using oxygen all the time.
    
    The usage of oxygenation varies. In some areas oxygenation is another way of saying the patient is getting supplemental oxygen.
    
    “Oxygenation: The addition of oxygen to any system, including the human body. Oxygenation may also refer to the process of treating a patient with oxygen, or of combining a medication or other substance with oxygen. ”
    
    https://www.rxlist.com/oxygenation/definition.htm
    
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    December 18, 2021 2:36pm
    - mawm
      
      You are continually using the term to the note the quantity of oxygen that a hospital is using to supplement inspired oxygen in sick patients to achieve adequate oxygenation. It is the wrong usage. It’s not nit picking and it’s not an argument.
      
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      December 18, 2021 3:15pm
Yvette

Original Antigenic Sin: the Downside of Immunological Memory and Implications for COVID-19

A definition –
The concept of original antigenic sin (OAS) was put forth many years ago to explain how humoral [relating to the body fluids, especially with regard to immune responses involving antibodies in such fluids as distinct from cells] memory responses generated against one set of antigens can affect the nature of antibody responses elicited to challenge infections or vaccinations containing a similar but not identical array of antigens.

Some clarification –
The speed and specificity of immunological memory are the basis of long-term, acquired immunity and of vaccinology. The power of memory, however, comes at a price. The cost? A memory response triggered to a similar but not identical array of antigens (for example, a new exposure to a related but antigenically distant pathogen) can potentially be less effective than a response elicited in the absence of memory. This is possible because memory B cells producing antibodies of high affinity and specificity established following a primary exposure to one subset of antigens can prevent or significantly dampen responses by naive B cells to new antigens if they are part of a profile that includes antigens present during the primary exposure.
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mSphere.00056-21

What I understand from this is that vaccination against Alpha Covid, as appears to have been what is available in New Zealand, narrows the response down to that variant and lessens the fullest response to a mutation like Omicron.
I welcome of course, any correction.

But nowhere that I am aware, has Government explained this.
In fact nowhere, like still-hanging on “mainstream” television (at least that which is State owned) does Government (as the “crown” should be duty bound to do) offer even a basic explanation of how the vaccine works, so any decision – to vaccinate, or not – is better informed.

Instead we are told “you need two shots to do the deed”, and “two shots for skinny dipping”, neither of which can I quite fathom, nor now do I wish to do … I think … may be the first, albeit rather slowly, but not the second

Footnote: If this whole pandemic were a scenario for a Hollylwood block-buster disaster movie, would not an incredible turning point be when Aussie actress Rose Byrne, who was set to play Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern in a film about the week following the 15 March Christchurch mosque attacks, realises those eligible, just reaching 90 percent of their 4.2 million number, have been injected with a vaccine perhaps limiting, via original antigenic sin (OAS), their ability to respond to Omicron – should she in BREAKING NEWS tell the populace or somehow kick this can “down the road (map)”
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December 18, 2021 8:58am
Lee C

Here is a recent Coroner’s Report, released by the family of an otherwise healthy young man: https://www.facebook.com/messenger_media/?thread_id=4237231039737448&attachment_id=251082403832559&message_id=mid.%24gAA8NvTr0bmiD-rfSyF9yXKIlETax
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December 18, 2021 9:03am
- mawm
  
  It appears to have been removed!
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:42am
Lee C

These are real people. real Kiwis.

Wake up!

https://www.facebook.com/1563210818/videos/278150327692571
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December 18, 2021 9:08am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Two downticks re a woman who’s partner died from the jab. Ardern and Baker are out and about early.
  
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  December 18, 2021 2:58pm
fernglas

There is a variant about to launch itself on NZ which is exponential in its infection rate, and the Government will review it on 6 January? By then, statistically everyone in the country will be infected.
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December 18, 2021 9:08am
- Cinematic
  
  We can only hope that’s the case
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:39am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Is that after the wedding as agreed by the caterers?
  
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  December 18, 2021 1:22pm
I remember when

Does ‘Marine Heatwave’ off North Island West Coast mean early start to Taranaki game fishing season.
Reports that kingfish were already being caught in late November.
Anglers don’t expect to see schools of kingfish or kahawai until mid-December.
Kahawai usually followed by albacore and skipjack tuna and shortly after marlin.
Although marlin usually appear in second or third week of January they are expectd to be earlier this season.
A holiday option.
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December 18, 2021 9:09am
- CJames
  
  I suspect all the heavy rain events over the last couple of weeks will have sucked the heat out of the local ocean. Be interesting to see what December’s UAH lower troposhere map shows. For Nov, it showed heat over NZ but Southern Australia and the oceans below it were cold.
  https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/climate/
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:51am
CAKE FACE1

Do you think Cindy will:

(A) Keep the borders closed until the next election, or
(B) Open the borders before the next election?
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December 18, 2021 9:12am
- Bob
  
  I think that Ardern will make a ‘Captains Call’ to cancel future elections until Covid is eliminated.
  Can’t have electors congregating near Polling Booths.
  Besides the voters don’t understand what is good for them, particularly as the majority no longer listen to the daily sermons from the Podium of Truth; so no need for expensive election planning and preparation.
  
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  December 18, 2021 2:34pm
Jack5

Back in January, NZ was noting a desperate shortage of truck drivers, and there was talk of a campaign to recruit more. What’s happening now?

It’s a problem everywhere. The United States has just announced it will jump-start driver apprenticehsip programmes and make it quicker and easier for drivers to get on the road.

The Transportation and Labor departments will examine how drivers are paid—and investigate truck-leasing, which Administration officials say preys on drivers.

The federation of American Trucking Associations says the United States is 80,000 drivers short.

An age restriction of 21 for driving “big rigs” across state borders will be reduced to as low as 18 for qualified drivers.
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December 18, 2021 9:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s certainly a problem in the UK, which has contributed majorly to supply chain issues.
  
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  December 18, 2021 10:05am
- Fletch
  
  It seems like the problem with trucking in the US is regulations over newer trucks in California preventing the unloading of cargo ships.
  
  Twitter user Jerry Oakley reminds us that “Carriers domiciled in California with trucks older than 2011 model, or using engines manufactured before 2010, will need to meet the Board’s new Truck and Bus Regulation beginning in 2020.” Otherwise, “Their vehicles will be blocked from registration with the state’s DMV,” according to California law.
  
  “The requirement is to purchase electric trucks which do not exist.” […]
  
  “Traditionally the ports have been served by Owner Operators,” Oakley says, who are non-union. But under AB-5, “California has now banned Owner Operators.”
  
  Just like the union longshoremen, union truckers work under a whole host of work rules that simply can’t accommodate crisis conditions like the ones in Los Angeles.
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/political/empty-christmas-stockings-dont-blame-covid-blame-california
  
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  December 18, 2021 10:24am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This came to me by email from a friend. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly – Cam Slater , the BFD.
The latter part he really pokes the borax at Jaspinda, and rightly so. Sorry it is long, but that is how it came to me.

Over the years I have met, had lunch, dinner, drinks, or meetings with a vast number of politicians. Some were great, most were average, but none, with one exception, were evil.

I grew up in a political family. We had cabinet ministers and prime ministers over for dinner. My mother never really liked most of them, and I got my healthy distrust of politicians from her.

I remember one night her telling Aussie Malcolm chapter and verse why he was going to be unemployed after the next election…and she was right, he was.

I remember the night Jim Bolger was sitting in front of Mum’s grand piano, sipping a scotch, while Winston Peters was regaling others with stories while he stretched his arm across the mantlepiece, a fag in one hand and a Scotch in the other, warming his backside by the fire. Bolger was telling me, and a couple of others who were there, all about how Jim McLay was a really nice guy, but sadly nice guys finish last. Two weeks later Jim Bolger was knifing McLay to become the leader of the opposition, and then Prime Minister. Jim Bolger was even invited to my wedding, and I’ve still got the letter he wrote back then.

It was my father who was asked, by the cowards in caucus, to meet Jim Bolger at the airport to tell him there had been a coup while he was overseas, and that when he got back to Wellington the numbers had been done and Jenny Shipley was going to replace him.

I remember Jenny Shipley coming to my sister’s birthday dinner at a restaurant in Newmarket. I can remember Maurice Williamson leaping on stage and grabbing an electric guitar to play at my sister’s 21st.

I once went to Maurice’s house in Epsom to spend a long afternoon playing loads of Deep Purple, The Who and other great music at volumes that left us both deaf. So much so we never heard the neighbours pounding on the door.

I can remember my grandmother telling assorted ministers visiting us at the beach house her ideas on health care and hospitals, and those being implemented.

I can fondly remember the smell of cigar smoke wafting down the hallway of Vogel House to my room from the lounge where Doug Graham was reading the newspaper at six in the morning.

I was in the whip’s office and helped draft the caucus resolution that threw Winston Peters out of caucus, and I remember well Bill Birch (another MP I respect deeply) coming down to read the resolution before going to inform Bolger of what was about to happen. Those really were the days of smoke filled rooms, especially when chain-smoking Doug Kidd and cigar smoking Doug Graham were in the room.

I was standing beside Maurice Williamson when he was filmed after the 2002 election debacle and uttered his now infamous comment about needing to lance the boil within the party. That particular boil took nearly 20 years to get lanced properly.

I’ve been there and seen it all, up close and personal.

When it comes to Prime Ministers, I’ve met Robert Muldoon, David Lange, Jim Bolger, Jenny Shipley, Helen Clark, John Key, Bill English and Jacinda Ardern. I think that in the current press gallery only Barry Soper can claim a similar pedigree. Hell’s teeth, I can remember Barry when he had hair and was visiting Dad’s place.

In 2008, I even had lunch with Jacinda Ardern over three hours in Morrinsville. I know she remembers it because when David Cunliffe was Labour’s leader and they were planning the Dirty Politics hit job, the members of the Labour caucus were asked if any of them had dealings with me. Jacinda Ardern, to her credit, owned up about the lunch. Stuart Nash skulked at the back and said nothing.

Politicians, by their very nature, are narcissistic, self absorbed and sociopaths. Very few of them have any compassion and those that do keep it quiet. To give you an example, when I had my stroke just one National MP bothered to come see me, and tipped up at the hospital even. No other National MP called, emailed or even sent a card. Only that one, very compassionate, and deeply misunderstood MP. Only one Labour MP bothered to message me. No, it wasn’t Stuart Nash. It was another, and his text messages to me late one night were a treasure. He knows who he is, and I appreciated those texts and those sentiments as they were heartfelt and compassionate.

Politics is a blood sport, but I believe always that we need to get past tribalism and polarisation in politics, and we very desperately need compassionate people in politics.

There are very few politicians who I respect; there are none, with the exception of one, who I despise. Helen Clark was a brilliant politician. I didn’t agree with her politics and still don’t, but she is one politician I can respect, for her immense will power, her stickability and her political skills. She fought to the very end. I have no respect for John Key. He thought he could sway a referendum on the flag, I told him he was wrong and would lose. It turned out I was right and he was wrong. That was the beginning of the end of him; he realised that he could no longer walk on water. But he also lacked courage; any man who rings another man’s father to pass on a message is gutless and beneath contempt. He bolted when he thought he couldn’t win again, and left us with Bill English, a staid and dependable Finance Minister but someone who has tits for hands when it came to leadership.

Most politicians enter politics stating all sorts of altruistic reasons why they entered parliament. Mostly they are lies, mouthing pithy sentimental tosh about making the world a better place. Parliament’s history is littered with MPs’ careers that achieved little other than enriching themselves at the taxpayers’ expense.

Despite all their foibles I sincerely believe that most are not evil: misguided maybe, but not evil. Not even Robert Muldoon was evil, but he was surely misguided. He tried his best when faced with economic doom and oil shocks. He was ill-equipped to handle the various crises that beset his government, but ironically the very power systems and energy self sufficiency we now enjoy – and our great renewable energy that the climate change advocates bang on about – were a result of Muldoon’s and Bill Birch’s foresight with Think Big. The very projects that Labour and others vociferously opposed.

Which brings me to the exception. Jacinda Ardern.

When I had that three hour lunch with her I came away thinking that this woman makes a lot of sound and thinks she sounds informed and interested about the world and politics. But on reflection, at the time, I said to David Farrar, who was also there, that she was just mouthing slogans and platitudes. Bumper sticker slogans and rehearsed lines. There was no depth there, and there still isn’t.

She is my exception, the one I believe is actually evil, and here is why I believe that.

She is fake, more fake than a $10 copy watch bought in the back alleys of Hong Kong. She has claimed many, many things, like all politicians, about why she entered politics. She professes wanting to end child poverty; she even made herself the minister in charge of ending child poverty. She also claimed that climate change was her generation’s nuclear free moment. On both of those claimed driving forces for her entering politics she has failed massively and comprehensively. All the child poverty statistics are either materially worse or have barely budged. Her climate change commitments are joke. She wrecked an industry on a Captain’s Call and then presided over the largest imports of coal we have ever seen, into a country that is sitting on huge coal reserves. Every single signature election promise has been an abject failure. She told people she was going to make houses more affordable; their cost has more than doubled. She promised to build 100,000 Kiwibuild homes, but it turned out that she couldn’t build a house in a room full of Lego. She promised light rail to the airport and has failed to lay even a single centimetre of track. None of those things are evil, but they are all dishonest and show a predilection towards failure after bold promises.

She told us that she never lies, which was a lie. But since taking power she has grabbed unprecedented additional powers, moreso than even Robert Muldoon. With that power she locked us up, removed our freedoms and told us all it was for our health. Never before in the history of the world have so many healthy people been locked up and had their freedoms taken away, all on the pretext of protecting our health.

It was all to flatten the curve, she said, then to protect the hospitals, then to save granny, then it would be short and sharp, and it ended up being the longest lockdown ever. It was all lies. If we needed more capacity in the hospitals then why haven’t they provided it? Why did they spend $55 million on bribing and corrupting the media instead of building a purpose-built ICU-only hospital in Auckland? Why did they fund cameras on fishing boats and wallaby pest eradication instead of hiring more nurses?

It was never about health; otherwise the billions spent subsidising businesses to stay closed could have instead been spent on hospitals and health care. It was all about control and manipulation. She has gaslit everyone while smiling and frowning and stealing away your rights, your freedoms, and your democracy.

Her lockdowns have cost people their lives, postponed life-saving operations and cancer treatment, destroyed businesses, wrecked careers and worst of all scared people into being irrationally afraid, especially the children. Even though that is evil, that isn’t the real evil of this woman.

The real evil was her politicisation of the Police force, coupled with her draconian lockdown rules, the creation of a Stasi-like snitch culture, creating a situation where mates are turned against mates, families are splintered and rent apart by the medical apartheid she has implemented; and her scapegoating, demonising and radicalising the unvaccinated and destroying social cohesion with her divisive, nasty, evil policies.

She said she never lies; she told us last year that Kiwis would not be penalised if they chose not to vaccinate, yet that is exactly what she has done: introduced social ostracism and punishments for daring to have free will. That is evil.

She is manipulative in the most extreme manner, like all sociopaths. Why else would she use sustained propaganda and well-known brainwashing techniques to tell us that ‘They are Us’…except for the unvaccinated, then ‘They are Us’ is discarded. ‘Team of Five Million’ was a lie, because she has now separated New Zealand into ‘Us and Them’. What else can you call it other than manipulative to forbid the use of hairdressers unless you can prove you’d been vaccinated? That particular piece of nastiness was aimed solely at those naughty women who refuse to comply.

Removing freedoms from everyone, and then giving back the vaccinated some of those freedoms while callously using the media to help gaslight everyone into believing government permissions are freedoms, at the same time as creating two classes of citizen, is even nastier and evil. She’s convinced over 70% of people that this divisiveness and nastiness is perfectly alright. She’s said it is OK to discriminate. She’s not even passed any laws to push her mandates; she’s just let businesses become her brownshirts in ostracising and demonising the unvaccinated. She’s allowed Aucklanders to be scapegoated even as she wrecked their businesses, jobs, and dreams. It is never OK to discriminate. Yet that is what this evil woman has done.

The Kiwi ethos of egalitarianism was slaughtered on the altar of Covid, and the knife used to cut its throat was wielded by Jacinda Ardern.

Add to that the racial divisions she has fostered and extended through her government, and we as a nation are now on the cusp of the destruction of everything Kiwis once stood for. The Kiwi dream has become a dark and awful nightmare, where we live and exist only with the permission of the government.

We are more divided than ever before. We are meaner, harsher and nastier than before. Her actions did that. The evil is that she pretended it was kindness.

As I’ve elaborated, like never before, I’ve seen them all, from Muldoon to Ardern. Not even the excesses of Helen Clark or Robert Muldoon were this bad. The Ardern regime is exactly that, a regime. She is evil. She has systematically and deliberately destroyed this nation, and for that, she deserves to be run out of town on a rail.

Jacinda Ardern has done something no other politician has achieved in my estimation. She has made me despise her personally, simply because she is actually evil. I disliked Muldoon and Clark, but I actually despise Jacinda Ardern.

Her platitudes, her much-vaunted compassion, and her so-called sincerity are all fake. She is a very, very shallow, manipulative and insecure person drunk on the power voters handed her. She is desperate to be seen as a hero in the world’s eyes when in reality she has become a shabby, desperate despot, worse than Robert Muldoon and Helen Clark.

Jacinda Ardern is a black-hearted woman, not the caring persona she has cultivated.

She deserves nothing but opprobrium, and I will spend every waking moment working to remove her from office. It’s personal now.
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December 18, 2021 9:23am
- Ruahine
  
  More Police and IRD surveillance for Mr Slater next year is likely.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:55am
- barnacle bill
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  @S Otto.
  It’s personal now –
  
  You sound so full of your own importance Steve.
  And such a name dropper.
  
  Good luck in your endeavors.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:59am
  - Swifty
    
    Good grief.
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It was emailed to me. I did not compose it. I did not get it from the BFD
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:06am
    - Inandout
      
      I read it also and shows you can’t beat first hand experience where politicians are involved. Little by little Jacinda’s gloss is shedding to reveal a very shallow person, and undoubtedly the worst PM this country has ever seen.
      
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      December 18, 2021 10:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The fairy dust is falling off the polished turd, and now exposing the other glitter Iron Pyrites (fool’s gold)
        
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        December 18, 2021 3:10pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/12/16/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/
    
    Bill: its a reproduction of an article at the BFD.
    
    So maybe do the right thing and withdraw and apologies for the snide putdown.
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:25am
  - EssenX
    
    You must be illiterate. The piece was written by Cam Slater, not Steve, and has gone viral. Regardless of what you may think of Cam Slater, his family has been deeply connected to politics for a very long time and he has very good political instincts (although admittedly, like Winston, he’s not as sharp as he was). Unsurprisingly, his article has struck a chord with many people.
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:40am
  - Biscuit
    
    A tad harsh, barnaclebill.
    
    Steve often comes across to me as a perfectly-decent, level-headed chap.
    
    He could only improve himself in my eyes if he admitted he has a secret passion for the Liverpool Football Club.
    
    Oh, and at the risk of being called a name-dropper myself, my pal The Queen told me on Facebook just before that ‘endeavors’ is best spelt in ‘my English’ with a ‘u’.
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sorry Biscuit, I do not even follow that ‘kick the ball with the head’ game
      
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      December 18, 2021 3:12pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Free to a good, Liverpool-supporting home:
        
        One Christmas present with Steve Otto’s name on the wrapping scrawled through
        
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        December 18, 2021 8:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “It’s personal now” are Cam Slater’s words, to be clear
    
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    December 18, 2021 10:50am
    - Swifty
      
      It was clear to everyone, except Bill it appears.
      
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      December 18, 2021 10:57am
- mawm
  
  He’s far too nice about her.
  
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  December 18, 2021 10:14am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  “Lunch with Jacinda in 2008”
  There is refreshing piece about that lunch in the Kiwiblog archives, written by our host. It was posted at 11.54 a.m. on 21st October 2008 under the heading,…WAIKATO.
  One thing about internet archives; they stay there for ever, or until they get deleted.
  
  [Mod. Note: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/waikato.html ]
  
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  December 18, 2021 2:27pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Good lord! How wrong can you be?
    
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    December 19, 2021 8:29am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Met her once for 2 minutes at a speaking event. It is all I needed to conclude instantly – “fake”. Prescient now that I’ve watched it in action for 4 years or so.
  
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  December 18, 2021 3:03pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  This Government is the worst in my lifetime. It has corrupted the media and the public in order to imprison the population and arbitrarily control their freedoms and relationships. It promises the world and delivers nothing but fear and division. The longer it is in power the worse this country will become.
  
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  December 18, 2021 3:14pm
- artemisia
  
  Very interesting background. And speaking of the also very experienced Barry Soper he is pulling his punches relating to the Prime Minister but only a bit. The chinks in her highly curated armour are showing, that’s hard to recover from.
  
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  December 18, 2021 6:19pm
Yvette

Emeritus professor Robert Beaglehole, chairman of Action for Smokefree 2025, told Breakfast the plan would “accelerate progress quite dramatically towards the 2025 goal, which is not to ban cigarettes but to have a very low rate of abuse in the community”.
Given about 5000 people die every year from smoking, Beaglehole said the plan should prevent the vast majority of those deaths. “Smoking is uniquely harmful, so everything the Government does is very important.” He also described the plan as a “game-changer”.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/12/09/smokefree-2025-action-plan-a-game-changer-advocate-says/

“People aged 14 when the law comes into effect will never be able to legally purchase tobacco.”
There would be a transitional period between 2023-2025.
“We are also reducing the appeal, addictiveness and availability of smoked tobacco of smoked tobacco products,” Dr Verrall said.
“New laws will mean only smoked tobacco products containing low levels of nicotine can be sold, with a significant reduction in the number of shops who can sell them.”
– Make smoking products harder to buy. That will include slashing the number of shops that can sell cigarettes and tobacco, “especially in low-income communities where retail density is higher”.
– Make it an offence to sell or supply smoking tobacco products to people born after a certain date – meaning, for example, a child who is 10 now, may never be able to buy cigarettes in their lifetime.
– New penalties for anyone in the tobacco industry that doesn’t follow the rules.
– Establish a Smokefree 2025 Taskforce, to make sure the goal is on track
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/12/08/govt-to-ban-young-people-buying-tobacco-in-their-lifetime/

“There would be a transitional period between 2023-2025.”
So in fact, with smoking being as addictive as the medical sector determines and tells us, as many people as smoke today could be still smoking in SmokeFree 2025, and maybe more, because if the nicotine and other additives (which aid addiction) are lessened, will people not consume more – like 5% alcohol drinks may generate twice the consumption to equate with downing 10% piss?

Again Government kicks the can (and smokes) down the road.

Prohibition consultant Al Capone, buried in Mount Carmel Cemetery in Hillside, Illinois, probably just turned over in the family grave …
to watch
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December 18, 2021 9:23am
- CJames
  
  Is the death toll from smoking still this high? That seems about 20% of the deaths which would imply everyone that has smoked in the last 20 years has died from it. I know the data shows that if you survive 15 years after quitting smoking, your life expectancy is the same as if you never smoked.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    CJames I believe they died “with” having been a smoker rather than “from” smoking. Apparently that’s now an acceptable way to present statistics.
    
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    December 18, 2021 3:06pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Vape away, the tobacco industry have already covered their nicotine market and hooked the kids.
  
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  December 18, 2021 1:27pm
kevn

@Yvette… Indeed.
Add the elephant in the room… legalized cannabis. But lets ban tobacco.
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December 18, 2021 9:45am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E3u329TDmc

Starting with Evergrande, CCP begins what we already expected.

While Evergrande Group’s demise was purely a market failure, its market resolution still lied in the hands of the Chinese government. Now that the cat is out of the bag, the Chinese Communist Party has reportedly begun panicking. The process of Evergrande’s nationalisation seems to have begun. Watch the video to know more. [5:06]
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December 18, 2021 9:48am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee-5SPKuDUk

Pakistan Erupts In Protests against China.

Large-scale protests have been happening for over a month in the Pakistani city of Gwadar, where China has built a large commercial port. The locals are angry about a number of things, but most can be tied to Chinese influence in the region. The US held its first democracy summit this week, which made headlines for censoring a Taiwanese official over a map of Taiwan and China. And the US is cracking down on more Chinese companies by adding them to a growing blacklist. This prevents US companies from selling parts to them, among other things. Watch this episode of China Uncensored for that and more of this week’s China news headlines. 15:30]
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December 18, 2021 9:49am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Has been reported on for the last month on the Indian News Channel WION
  
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  December 18, 2021 10:14am
- EssenX
  
  The Pakistan-China relationship is an interesting one. The elites want mutual cooperation to counter India. Meanwhile, on the ground, the average Pakistani knows that India is not the real threat and to beware of China bearing gifts.
  
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  December 18, 2021 10:42am
Reid

For those curious to know what’s going on with the whole covid thing, this doctor absolutely nails it with logic, science and common sense.

https://rumble.com/vqu7y0-doctors-best-concise-explanation-of-convid-1984-and-the-shots-in-under-11-m.html
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December 18, 2021 10:05am
- bronny1
  
  Do you believe that’s it? Or just that it’s plausible?
  
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  December 18, 2021 1:59pm
  - Reid
    
    When you say “it” can you be more specific. Do you mean is the spike a toxin or do you mean something else?
    
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    December 18, 2021 4:10pm
    - Reid
      
      How anyone can downtick an innocuous question like that is beyond me.
      
      Does anyone else think I should call the cops and report a stalking incident?
      
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      December 18, 2021 5:30pm
Biscuit

Give me strength!

The New Zealand Herald online, today:

ENTERTAINMENT
Toni Street on her most exciting Christmas yet
The beloved broadcaster talks Christmas and her family.

What planet do these (CENSORED!) live on?

‘Beloved’?
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December 18, 2021 10:22am
Benedict Yu

Contrary to my prediction, every venue I go to in Christchurch is scanning vaccine passes. The first few days it was a casual look but no longer. And for the first time yesterday I was asked to show ID to match the name on the vaccine scanner. I asked the guy why, and he said they had some obvious fakes and were now asking for ID from everyone entering the cafe. Anyway the place was packed so it did not seem to deter folk.
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December 18, 2021 10:23am
- Reid
  
  First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
  
  Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
  
  Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
  
  Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
  
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  December 18, 2021 10:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I put that on Facebook. The opinioned fact checkers flagged it. ‘Lacking context’ my left tit
    
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    December 18, 2021 3:18pm
- Inandout
  
  BY, sad that hunger tends to eclipse common sense but in a serfdom this is what happens. The cafes at this time of the year should be packed with tourists and time will tell if it lasts.
  
  ‘Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose’.
  Joplin
  
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  December 18, 2021 11:07am
  - mandk
    
    Kristofferson.
    
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    December 18, 2021 12:01pm
  - MCōs
    
    That song was of course written by Kris Kristofferson.
    
    I somehow doubt the people in those cafes are conforming to the vaccine pass directives because they’re particularly hungry.
    
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    December 18, 2021 12:13pm
- cjn
  
  I thought you were being too sanguine. Every time I go to New World I sit in my car and watch and admire the determined way the octogenarians and nonogenarians mask up and totter to the jigsaw on the window, lift a palsied hand and take a photo. They are so proud of their phone and their technology skills that I should leap out and give them a badge. My club, as soon as the system of traffic lights and banning of the non-vaccinated was announced, was quick to defend the catering side of the business. All entry through the one door, only vaccinated to pass. A couple of days later an announcement of an even more efficient system. Not a word about unvaccinated members’ rights. People love their cell phones and bless the government for giving them something to do with them. I wonder if Jesus will have to show his vaccination status before The Second Coming?
  
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  December 18, 2021 5:44pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

PFIZER to test 3rd dose of COVID vaxx on infants and young kids…..

https://pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-provide-update-ongoing-studies-covid-19

LOCKDOWN YOUR CHILDREN!
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December 18, 2021 11:06am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Omicron will have (thankfully) come and gone before they can get the children – rendering the vax pointless
  
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  December 18, 2021 11:19am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Omicron will have (thankfully) come and gone before they can get the children – rendering the vax pointless”
    
    Don’t worry, your friendly mega big pharma company will convince your incredibly benevolent leaders that you must have a new special vaccine for the next variant. This will no doubt continue until slowly slowly it dawns on the leaders of the sheeple that they obsessing over a virus that is no worse than the seasonal flu. Being very slow, and prone to staying “on message” (no matter how dumb or out of date that message is) it may take years for the govt branch covidians to give up and latch on to another cause they can brow beat people with (Climate Emergency anyone?).
    
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    December 18, 2021 2:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/federal-prison-hires-top-rated-italian-bodyguard-hillena-clintonelli-to-protect-ghislaine-maxwell
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December 18, 2021 11:30am
Maggie Pie

ZB Sport segment at 11:35….

Jack Tame goes into orgasmic rapture about boxer David Nyika’s Abs.
Describes him as “A spectacular looking man!”

Same been said about my partner. At least it was the girls from tennis.
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December 18, 2021 11:50am
Rusty

So people in the western world are living to older ages through better foods, lifestyles, and medicines.

Medical breakthroughs could emerge in the near future reducing the chances of people having cancer, strokes, diabetes, heart attacks and even the common flu .

But the worlds best medical minds and scientists cant find a suitable drug to prevent or catch covid!
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December 18, 2021 11:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Covid is not about health, it is about control and money
  
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  December 18, 2021 1:23pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Steve Otto(North Shore) I keep one eye slightly open on the “conspiracy theories” around covid. I’m sceptical. I’m even more sceptical of anything that the loony left gloms onto and gets all authoritarian over!!
    
    My take thus far listening to a lot more of the more sober end of the “intellectual dark web” is that elements of government regulators (specifically of big pharma and especially in the USA) are a problem. The other big problem is simply the tardy and clumsy nature of most governments in response to this (fortunately) relatively low lethality pandemic.
    
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    December 18, 2021 3:37pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Medicine is at the start of a huge revolutionary wave of development as a result of cheap genetic engineering that allows cures to be customised to the patient. A lot of diseases and maladies are going to become highly treatable or even curable in next two decades.
  
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  December 18, 2021 1:35pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    And for many diseases people will be willing to take the risk because it’s worth it. They won’t need to be forced.
    
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    December 18, 2021 3:24pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    That’s been promised for about 10-15 years now, and we’re a bit closer but not as much as one would think. Biological processes are far more complex than our present understanding really allows us to run experiments; so we can get lucky with some treatments yet similar ones just do not appear to work.
    
    We can but hope, but the level of understanding is increasing slowly, and one of the principal findings is that it is even more complicated that we thought we thought !
    
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    December 18, 2021 7:12pm
Reid

Interview with Melissa Ciummei, a financial investor from Northern Ireland. She explains everything that is going on now is for a digital passport, digital currency and a social credit system.

https://youtu.be/MlEswbeQNPg
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December 18, 2021 12:40pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Green Pass is the only way govns can force people towards climate change policy. They can’t keep escalating the price for gas, petrol etc but they can say you must earn x points by being vaccinated to permit you to buy x amount of fuel for example.
  
  This only works if everyone is carrying the Green Pass app and has their own Green Bank digital currency.
  
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  December 18, 2021 1:59pm
  - Reid
    
    CO2-driven Climate Change hysteria opens the door to taxation applied to any human activity, because they all leave a carbon footprint, don’t they.
    
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    December 18, 2021 6:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Popcorn? This will be good.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/a-hillary-vs-trump-re-match-in-2024-sign-me-up/?
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December 18, 2021 1:42pm
Maggie Pie

I’m well aware of some of the genuine hardships being faced by people during the extended lockdowns in Auckland. But on positive note, the increased birdsong in our garden is an absolute joy.

Just saying.
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December 18, 2021 1:44pm
I remember when

“Traffic to be slowed on SH5:” (Napier-Taupo)
In February the speed limit between Rangitaiki and Esk Valley reduced from 100 kph tp 80 kph.
Director of regional relationships Linda Stewart said, “It’s not safe to have the same speed limit as the Hawke’s Bay Expressway.”

It may be the limit on the Expressway but the ability to travel at 100 kph are often few and far between.
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December 18, 2021 1:56pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Everyone must now travel as slowly as the least competent on the worst road segment. Government by the most risk averse.
  
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  December 18, 2021 3:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bit like school. The smartest kid in the class can only learn as fast as the slowest learner.
    Oh, the smartest kid is usually smarter than the teacher
    
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    December 18, 2021 3:31pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      the smartest kid is ~~usually~~ smarter than the teacher
      
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      December 18, 2021 5:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The stupid do not comprehend that you do not travel at 100kph around some corners and hairpins. Fuck knows how they ever got a license
  
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  December 18, 2021 3:29pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    don’t be silly , of course they realise that, it’s just they don’t notice the corner due to tik tok.
    
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    December 18, 2021 5:01pm
Fletch

Written by a doctor, formerly from the U.S, who had been working in New Zealand.

A snippet –

And what do we have now in our beloved Aotearoa? A never ending atmosphere of fear, the never ending threat that the liberties not yet impinged upon by our government can at any moment be extirpated. We are told to wear masks, we are told to keep our distance from each other, we are made to feel that we human beings are dangerous to one another. We are now, sorrowfully enough, told that those who have exercised their right NOT to take into their sacred bodies a biological agent they have grave doubts about are somehow ‘unclean’ and should be discriminated against, should be segregated, and according to some of those in government, should actually be punished for daring to believe that they have a right to refuse a medical intervention – a right that has been specified in the Nuremberg Code and in the New Zealand Bill of Rights. The unjabbed cannot now go to a movie or a play or a hairdresser or a rugby match or a restaurant or a cafe – all ostensibly in the service of ‘health’.

When has a healthy person ever been considered a danger before? What do those who are already jabbed have to fear from those who are not? Does any of this make any rational sense?

I ask you, is this the society we all wish to live in, is this the kind of life we wish to have for ourselves – a life controlled by governmental authority that has had the moronic audacity to declare itself a ‘single source of truth’, a life that will be governed by fear, anxiety, loss of liberty, freedom and essential human pleasure, a life where any debate about any aspects of health is ruthlessly suppressed?

https://www.transcend.org/tms/2021/12/a-covid-letter-from-aotearoa/
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December 18, 2021 2:03pm
Fletch

School District in New York Sends out Email Warning Parents of Sudden Cardiac Arrest in Students Grades K-12

A snippet from the email sent out to all parents in the Eastport-South Manor Central School District (ESM) in Suffolk County, New York.

One such effort has to do with new regulations regarding Sudden Cardiac Arrest. All districts are now required to ensure that nurses and coaches can address the treatment and monitoring of students who exhibit signs and symptoms of sudden cardiac arrest. In addition, districts are required to make sure that all staff are aware of the warning signs of sudden cardiac arrest and what to do if a person experiences sudden cardiac arrest. Please see the attached information on Sudden Cardiac Arrest.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/school-district-new-york-sends-email-warning-parents-sudden-cardiac-arrest-students-grades-k-12/
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December 18, 2021 2:08pm
Fletch

Absolutely shocking. Republican senators visit a prison housing people detained in the Jan 6 protests. A prison run by a rabid anti-Trump warden. These people have yet to be charged with anything yet are being housed in inhumane conditions in a section of the prison previously decommissioned – dirty, squalid, where they are treated like prisoners of war.

Staff for Rep. Greene’s office were shown the conditions inside of cells and community showers. Recently removed mold, dirt, and other stains were clearly visible. Inmates claimed that the Marshals Service had come through their area days before and cleaned it up, in addition to painting the walls (or having them painted). Some inmates disclosed that when they arrived in the area, the cells were crawling with rats and bed bugs. The air circulation in the individual cells is so minimal that human feces and other smells begin to fester and pollute the air.

But the physical conditions of the area were just the start. Inmates were only allowed out of their cells for five hours a day, a small mercy. Prior to this relative freedom, inmates were kept in their cells similar to the maximum security inmates: 23 and 1 (23 hours in the cell, 1 hour out), 22 and 2, (21 and 3), etc. One inmate, who had been detained since February 3, 2021, explained that he had been subjected to “23 and 1” for four months, followed by two months of 22 and 2. This inmate stated that he had gone through 200 days of solitary confinement. This type of treatment is being used against inmates who are all pre-trial. They have been convicted of nothing.

[…]

Inmate 1:

Congresswoman Greene, I want to talk to you about September 18th. Remember they had the big rally in support of us at the square in Washington [D.C.]?

They [DOC] woke us up prisoner-of-war style in the dawn, at 7:00 in the morning. [They] made us grab our mattresses in our hands and didn’t tell us where we were going, what was happening, how long we were going to be gone. They marched us down single file out of here, we started singing the national anthem; I got punched in the gut for singing the national anthem by a guard here as retaliation.

They pulled us down into a random part of the jail and kept us there for 9 hours where there were no sinks, no bathrooms, or anything. We didn’t know what was happening to us. It was literally how you treated prisoners-of-war to keep them disoriented and not let them know where you’re going and everything — it was a travesty. They did that to us about at 8:00 in the morning to about 6:00 at night.

Inmate 2: That was the day the rally happened. I saw him get punched by the officer.

Inmate 1: For singing the national anthem I got punched in the gut!

https://spectator.org/a-visit-to-the-dc-gulag/
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December 18, 2021 2:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Batman will be along soon to condition your thinking Fletch
  
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  December 18, 2021 3:44pm
Surely Knott

Senior Manager at Christchurch council is not vaccinated reports Stuffed and all the councillors are.
How is this legal and not a violation of the privacy act? Did the Manager authorise his company to publish and share his vaccination status with the media? Hello privacy commissioner. I hope we start to see some court cases.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/127320798/covid19-senior-general-manager-at-christchurch-council-is-unvaccinated
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December 18, 2021 3:11pm
Maggie Pie

HAPPY HOLIDAY WARNING

A must watch for those towing a Trailer Boat OR (god forbid)… a Caravan 🙁

https://twitter.com/physicsvids_/status/1471774383173619712
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December 18, 2021 3:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Old vid, but important. I know about this through my job. So many little shitbox cars towing boats and caravans that have a tare weight more than the car – never weighed by plod. Front wheel drive cars even worse. The trailer/ caravan breaking rules are so bad in NZ, but not at the top end of 3500kg gvm.
  No more, I do not want to be doxed
  
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  December 18, 2021 4:03pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wadya mean…. “old vid” ?
    It was posted yesterday @ 10:28pm
    
    SHEESH
    
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    December 18, 2021 5:00pm
lazza

I asked … “Given that the risk to children of a COVID infection is extremely low, I am amazed that any parent would consider approving the jab for their kids”.

Following the death yesterday from the virus of a 0 to 9 year old … Still think this ???

A genuine fair question to see which way KB sees this.

An overwhelming Yes to this which I admit really surprised me. And why?

Because I do not readily subscribe to Pavlov responses conditioned by whatever the blog conspiracy theorists put about.

Sooo … I must await the factual official inevitable probing and factual cause of death findings … OK?
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December 18, 2021 3:48pm
- Fletch
  
  “From” the virus? They don’t know. “With”, yes. The child tested positive for Covid after he died. So, they didn’t even know he had it.
  
  Recorded Covid deaths include all cases where a person was classified as having an active case of the virus at the time of death. In some of these cases, the underlying cause of death may have been unrelated to Covid-19.
  
  It is not clear if the child, believed to be a Māori boy from Counties Manukau, had any underlying medical conditions that may have contributed to his death.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-young-child-who-died-was-unknowingly-infected/
  
  To my mind, if they didn’t even know the boy was infected, then he likely died of something else. But the media like to make it Covid-focused.
  
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  December 18, 2021 4:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Watch out lazza – here they come – the nutbars.
  Where does 0 start? you know zero.
  At birth or conception?
  Watch them go LOL
  Sorry, this is a troll for the trollers
  
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  December 18, 2021 4:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Following the death yesterday from the virus of a 0 to 9 year old
  
  So where’s the evidence the child died from the virus?
  
  The death remains under investigation and has been referred to the coroner.
  
  The child was in hospital for some unknown reason.
  It was not known that the child who died with Covid-19 had the virus until after his death.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/458151/child-is-youngest-person-with-covid-19-to-die-in-nz-moh-data
  
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  December 18, 2021 4:57pm
  - fernglas
    
    Given that the child wasn’t tested until after death, and then because a relative had tested positive, it is safe to assume it was showing no symptoms of Covid on admission. Statistically a child under five is about 45 times more likely to die from other causes than from Covid, so if we add that statistic to the evidence of absence of symptoms, we can state conclusively that it is highly likely that the RNZ report that the child died from the virus is wrong; whether it is a deliberate lie or an irresponsible inaccuracy is to be determined.
    The reticence with which the Department of Health admitted that the death had even occurred suggests that there is more to this than meets the eye.
    
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    December 18, 2021 7:59pm
- Reid
  
  Have a look at the resources on this page.
  
  https://unityprojectonline.com/resources/
  
  The Unity Project is a good place to start if you’re looking for science specifically focused on potential children’s health effects from getting the vaccine. Its board has got some seriously distinguished firepower on it.
  
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  December 18, 2021 5:09pm
Maggie Pie

SPOILER ALERT!

It was the guy on the right.

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1471978778586923016
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December 18, 2021 5:04pm
Maggie Pie

My partners mum phoned… said she’d just read the story in the Horrid about Cindy & ClarkEs wedding venue.

She remembers HER mum saying how Mickey Savage was married in the front room of a State House.

Called himself ….”A man of the people”
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December 18, 2021 6:39pm
- Mike
  
  Your partner’s mum, or her mum, are, rather unsurprisingly, quite wrong about that.
  
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  December 18, 2021 6:59pm
- Truman lodge
  
  Also lorde is going to perform at the wedding..
  
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  December 18, 2021 7:04pm
  - MCōs
    
    The Beatles performed at my first wedding.
    Albeit on the gramophone.
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:21pm
  - greybeard
    
    Singing “Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies” as they walk down the aisle.
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:34pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Lots of tweets asking if Steven Colbert would have secured an MIQ spot yet.
    
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    December 18, 2021 8:40pm
- MCōs
  
  Savage never married.
  
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  December 18, 2021 8:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’re wrong there Cossie…
    Ma was saying back then it was never talked about.
    Different today of course, they’re all out in the open.
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:13pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Wasn’t Savage a poofter?
    Like the next leader of the NZ Labour party.
    
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    December 18, 2021 9:39pm
ClanMcleod

The BMJ calling out Mark Zuckerberg on FB labeling legitimate posts as “fake news”. Things might be starting to move in the right direction.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr-80
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December 18, 2021 8:12pm
ClanMcleod

And from the UK, Bojo on his last strike apparently after the Tories lost a safe seat they had held for almost 200 years. The previous majority for the sitting MP Owen Paterson was 23,000. The Lib Dems took the seat with an almost 6000 majority. That’s a massive swing. There were a few other factors behind the result but one of them would be the Lib Dems opposition to vaccine passports. As they said recently:

“Sir Ed Davey used his speech to a joint conference of the Scottish and Welsh Liberal Democrats to highlight his party’s stance against what he branded ‘Covid ID cards'”

Maybe National should pay attention.
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December 18, 2021 8:34pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  At least the Lib Dems got it and not bloody Labour.
  
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  December 18, 2021 9:40pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The UK Labour Party are toast for a long time. Sir Keir Starmer???? What a joke.
    
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    December 19, 2021 2:17am
Scooter

Now there’s a surprise. Must have spent more consideration on the name than the baby.

Police have released the name of the baby who died of “non-accidental” injuries in Starship Hospital on Friday, which sparked a homicide probe.

He was 10-month-old Chance Kamanaka O Ke Akura Aipolani-Nielson.
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