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mister nui

Thinking I will run for Prime Minister next election, as an independent candidate.

My one policy that I will campaign on is that all monies paid out from Cindy’s “journalism” fund have to be repaid in full, including interest. If this sends media entities into liquidation (I’m looking at you $tuff), then so be it.

Reckon I’m in with a pretty good chance…

What’s your thoughts Sinead?
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December 13, 2021 8:01am
- backster
  
  Nui…Got my vote.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:03am
- Paulus
  
  Goff is an Independent !
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:01am
  - sooty
    
    No, he can’t even tie his own $5,000 shoelaces!
    
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    December 13, 2021 12:58pm
  - alloytoo
    
    sure, and I’ve got a bridge to sell.
    
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    December 13, 2021 2:19pm
- pdm
  
  mister n – might be the best `single issue’ party in the elections.
  
  Sure beats The Greens legalising dope.
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:18am
- Positan
  
  And what about requiring to have ALL monies paid out under the 3rd Treaty settlement repaid as well – with interest?
  
  And, if we still have separate Maori and non-Maori systems as implemented by Ardern, how about making the matters complete and having a separate economy for each.
  
  Maori benefits, health funding, maintenance et al thereafter run solely from the taxation produced exclusively from Maori input?
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:55am
  - Leofric
    
    We’re often told how wonderfully large and growing the Maori economy is. It’d be very interesting to see if it’s large and growing enough to support Maori aspirations all by itself.
    
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    December 13, 2021 1:28pm
    - KiwiSapper
      
      If you count the now open ended and never ending Treaty payments as growth, then yes.
      Otherwise, of course not. Just look at the welfare payments, crime and health costs.
      
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      December 13, 2021 4:53pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Any amount unpaid by the bribed media within 12 months from demand will be recovered by the MP’s who originally approved such bribes.
  
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  December 13, 2021 3:34pm
cmm

What a pot of shit opinion piece in Stuff by Donna Miles.

“Luckily, Sir Edmund Hillary answered this question when he said: “People do not decide to become extraordinary. They decide to accomplish extraordinary things.””

Nope, not at all. Donna Miles mistakes Sir Ed batting away an embarrassing question with the truth.

Sir Ed was an extraordinary individual. It takes extraordinary perseverance and commitment to accomplish extraordinary things. It is more than just getting out of bed one morning and deciding to climb Everest (or whatever). He also could not have done it without many extraordinary traits.

“Some of the most extraordinary inventions in recent history, including the internet, smartphones, Google and wi-fi, were all made possible mostly through the efforts and talents of unknown, ordinary individuals working in government-funded institutions.”

Err, not really. None of those really came out of government institutions. Just because she does not know who they are does not mean they were unknown and none were “ordinary individuals”. All were highly intelligent. None of that spontaneously just came from deciding to do something. It was bloody hard work that most people are not prepared to do and took high intelligence that most people do not have.

Yes, the early internet protocol definitions came out of DARPA, but that’s just a bit of standards paperwork. We could equally have used other networking standards. That early DARPA “internet’ was useful, but was limited to a few computers communicating at low speeds.

Yes, some of the first work on modems was carried out by NASA. But have you seen what a NASA modem looks like? A fridge-sized rack that gave about 2000 bits per second. Even that took extraordinary people to develop.

It took the private sector to turn the fridge-sized modem into a thing you could put on your desk, then later into a credit card PCMCIA device. It took the private sector to actually create the internet.

The same is true of smart phones, wifi and all the other things she thinks came out of government institutions.

And all of that was done by extraordinary people, some of whom I have had the honour of working with.

Her claims are no more preposterous than saying that the government created all journalism because journalism is just reading and writing and you learn that at a government school.

She claims Bill Gates was primarily motivated by a passion for technology. There was a time when I too was naive and would have agreed, but then I had a few experiences with the organisation he created. While Bill had tech interests in his very early years (teens), by the time he formed the budding Microsoft it was all about power and money. Microsoft has been a destructive force in technology – something it would not have been if primarily motivated by technology.

The rest is mostly a pap piece that confuses being extraordinary with being famous. Most of the truly extraordinary people in society are those that few would recognise.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/127245204/why-chase-meaning-in-fame-when-theres-joy-in-being-ordinary
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December 13, 2021 8:01am
- Homas
  
  That woman is truly the answer to a question nobody asked.
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:13am
  - Homas
    
    …and while I’m at it, hilariously named Stuff contributor Peter Griffin appears to actually be a cartoon buffoon.
    
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    December 13, 2021 12:47pm
- Bob
  
  but! but! cmm…
  think how much more efficient, and how much more quickly these inventions would have appeared in the community if they had been managed and developed by state enterprises.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:55am
- Cobolt24
  
  Good reading to dispel the myth of the entrepreneurial state
  https://www.econlib.org/the-pervasive-myth-of-the-entrepreneurial-state/
  
  https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2015/9/cj-v35n3-7.pdf
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:27am
- Antoine
  
  Btw what happened to the Mojab bit?
  
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  December 13, 2021 12:26pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  There are almost no Stuff columnists worth reading and she certainly isn’t one. Like most, all you will get is a party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour/Green party.
  
  If I want to know anything about technology or entrepreneurship Stuff is also absolutely the last place to look.
  
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  December 13, 2021 12:58pm
Man Among the Ruins

Ever noticed how ‘Delta’ and ‘Omicron’ is an anagram for ‘Media Control’?
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December 13, 2021 8:01am
- CrazyIvan
  
  It also can mean ‘Erotic Almond’, so I’m thinking it’s a nut-based conspiracy
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:45am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Maybe so. However, the one association is relevant to current events, and is observable on the basis of accumulated experience across many contexts and in many places, whereas the other has no significant meaning in the real world. It’s not so much the bare fact that an anagram is involved, rather what the anagram is.
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:02am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Well, aren’t you a killjoy!
      
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      December 13, 2021 7:02pm
Bridgenag

SENT TO ME

and worth reading. Dealt with before but this sets the whole issue out well……… IMO

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/were-screeching-into-a-new-dark-age-and-bad-scientists-are-leading-the-charge-mb78wx
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December 13, 2021 8:03am
- Debsta
  
  Page not found…has it been pulled?
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:32am
- Local Miller
  
  This link is broken – 404 Error – Page Not Found
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:48am
  - Thumelicus
    
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/were-screeching-into-a-new-dark-age-and-bad-scientists-are-leading-the-charge-mb78wxg8h
    
    Try this one..
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:35am
  - Bridgenag
    
    wow “They” must have thought it a problem then
    
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    December 13, 2021 1:06pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      We should be worried folks if things disappear if they don’t fit the narrative…… I complain if the hard working folks volunteering on this site are slow but sometime the spooks in gov pay will sort it instead taking advantage of the speed……
      
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      December 13, 2021 1:09pm
cmm

Oh fuck, it’s back!!! Digital Economy and Communications Minister David Clark . Is that really a thing?

On your bike son, the digital industry doesn’t need you to “help” any more than the health sector did.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/covid-19-border-exceptions-announced-for-600-tech-workers-some-agricultural-workers/YMRPBVZWIHJM4KNZX4TARSQ6RA/
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December 13, 2021 8:03am
- Nickc2
  
  Perpetual promotion of incompetence. No wonder NZ’s in the shit.
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:16am
- pdm
  
  More tech people okayed to come in to the country.
  
  Obviously no recruiting has been done yet v=because the government has no bloody idea when they will arrive. True to form.
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:23am
  - mandk
    
    Rest assured, pdm, there will be announcement sometime next year about when the start date will be announced.
    
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    December 13, 2021 8:34am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ardern has signed NZ up to assist the WEF in its AI program. Robots are to get preference for work and the former field workers retrained as C## programmers. Those unable will be sent on their way to the fast Covid line.
  
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  December 13, 2021 3:39pm
  - RichardX
    
    Please provide evidence for the 2nd & 3rd sentences of your post.
    
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    December 13, 2021 4:29pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      That’s my vision based on the WEF program statements.
      
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      December 13, 2021 6:34pm
      - RichardX
        
        So no evidence but you have a theory that there is a global conspiracy.
        
        I wonder what you would call that?
        
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        December 13, 2021 9:05pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The Government is celebrating the recent daily decline in the number of Covid cases. However, the number of daily Covid tests does not receive the same publicity. It’s possible that we are seeing fewer Covid cases simply because fewer tests are being conducted. At this time of year, who wants to report a case of the sniffles if it means that holidays plans will go awry?

Put another way, it would be interesting to know how many of the current cases are captured via community testing vs how many are picked up during medical appointments for other purposes.
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December 13, 2021 8:03am
- DeepBlue
  
  It would be interesting to have a whole layer of detailed information about cases. Since DHBs are too busy to even enter recovered cases into the system we will simply don’t have transparency.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:16am
  - Nickc2
    
    If the number of recovered cases are not entered into the system, these cases remain on the active list, right?
    But don’t the number of active cases put a perceived loading on the hospital system and thus necessitate a lockdown in order to reduce the number of cases and hospital system loading?
    In sort, a deliberately fudged system to provide Cindy with an excuse to further exercise her power over our population and thus add to the financial Black Hole.
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:21am
- Random T Person
  
  Anyone who gets tested needs their whole head read, not just their snot. Imagine the ensuing panic and ostracisation. No thanks. I have a wee flu right now (along with a broken back, but that’s another story – does make coughing a ginger affair) and it is getting the attention we’ve always given it, ie, taking it easy and being grumpier than normal.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:43am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ouch! Get well soon.
    
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    December 13, 2021 7:04pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  I certainly have not and will not willingly get a test.
  
  Why would I want that level of complication in our lives.
  
  Out of work, business forced to close and be deep cleaned, everybody I know forced or coerced to have a test, vilified in the media.
  
  Having said that I am struggling to want to go back to work, thinking about early retirement.
  
  Certainly not looking forward to another year locked out of our business for, another short and sharp 3 to 4 Months.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:54am
- Spoff
  
  It is all bollocks.
  Any meaningful analysis of the so-called threat needs some concrete data.
  1. What percentage of the population has contracted the virus – antibody testing of a cross-section required.
  2 What is the IFR (Infected Fatality Rate) of Delta, Omnicrom and whatever other variant they care to dream up. Again, antibody testing of a cross-section required.
  Analysis of the efficacy of the vaccines requires a breakdown of vaccinated/unvaccinated infections and hospitalisation/fatalities.
  Analysis of the dangers of vaccines requires active monitoring, proper investigation and autopsies.
  
  These (to borrow the immortal phrase of the mortal criminal Donald Rumsfeld) “known unknowns” make the prognostications of the gaggle of Ministers and their advisers utterly meaningless.
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:48am
- yobi
  
  People are probably also holding off, knowing they need one to travel. I can see a spike from about the 20th/21st. If there is and the country is in orange/green, it will be fun watching the political verses the scientific panic decisions being made by dear leader.
  
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  December 13, 2021 2:51pm
Bridgenag

Were there any other protests in the weekend? https://youtu.be/qmbUJxYJuDE The Christchurch one
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December 13, 2021 8:05am
- thetiedarch
  
  Absolute silence in the media about this one. It was huge.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:23am
- curry4me
  
  Bridgenag: There were 3000-5000 people there. A bit smaller than the previous week at central christchurch. No garbage left behind. No burning buildings or overturned cars. No violence, and plenty of toots from passing cars. Probably more prople would have turned up if it was fine.
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:32am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    No democrats then . . .
    
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    December 13, 2021 1:43pm
Benedict Yu

You may recall this bet between two MPs back in August.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/labour-mp-bets-case-wine-90-vaccinated-christmas

The bet was that New Zealand would be 90 percent vaccinated by Christmas. It will be a close run thing. Yesterday the rate was 89.3 percent. I think it will get to 90 percent by Christmas.

At the time I recall saying we would not even get to 80 percent. Of course at the time I did not contemplate the punishments that would await the unvaccinated, which of course is the reason we are going to hit 90 percent.

I noticed yesterday that first vaccinations dropped below 3,000 for the first time.
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December 13, 2021 8:09am
- Prince
  
  A broken record I know, but we are not 89.3% vaxed.
  This is the percentage of those recorded by their local DHB, in 1Q 2021, (less a few multi-vaxed, eg the guy who received 10 jabs the other day, and others who found a substitute).
  The real number is 86.4% based on the population recorded by Stats NZ. Some 130,000 people are not recorded by their DHB.
  And we won’t get to 90% of that by Dec 31 at current rates.
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:22am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Dear Leader has mandated that it will happen, so it will happen.
    
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    December 13, 2021 9:57am
  - Spoff
    
    I suspect they are jigging the figures. At least half my circle of friends/acquaintances are not jabbed. I had a cardiac examination at the Hospital the other day. Public car park about one third full (usually can’t park anywhere near the place), staff car park empty. You could fire a cannon through the wards.
    Cardiologist astounded me by volunteering his opinion that NZ has gone to hell over the covid response.
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:58am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Seriously? You think the public servants are falsifying data?
      
      “At least half my circle of friends/acquaintances are not jabbed.”
      
      All of my circle of friends/acquaintances are vaccinated. Personal anecdotes does not equal data.
      
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      December 13, 2021 3:19pm
      - Spoff
        
        No. Not seriously. Note the word “suspect” in my submission. To mention, conversationally, a suspicion is not an allegation.
        I am perfectly aware of the quality of anecdotal evidence. What I do know however, is that public servants from the PM down are spinning just about everything else about this “pandemic” in order to mislead, including the vaccination numbers which, as you know full well, are a percentage of just a segment of the population. Try to be less easily triggered.
        
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        December 13, 2021 6:41pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Different circles?
        
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        December 13, 2021 7:06pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Drove past a vaccination centre yesterday, the road was lined with signs free this, free that, free money, prize pools etc, somebody is being paid well to offer this.
  
  The medical profession has a lot to answer for.
  
  First do no harm.
  
  They should be administering any medical treatments if they even suspect that somebody has been coerced.
  
  Free stuff is coercion, no job is coercion.
  
  I was just following orders is not a valid defense.
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:01am
  - Random T Person
    
    “There is no such thing as freedom of choice unless there is freedom to refuse.”
    – David Hume
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:08am
Andrei



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December 13, 2021 8:10am
- Spoff
  
  Ve vish you by next Christmas
  Your property you von’t miss
  You’ll own nussing you be happy
  Wit your brand new I.D.
  
  Seasons greetings, Klaus and Jac.
  
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  December 13, 2021 12:10pm
Captain Mainwaring

Fantastic result for Verstappen and Red Bull.
Hamilton dominated the race but a stroke of brilliance by Red Bull to pit Verstappen for fresh tyres under the safety car near the end of the race.
And predictably the bullies at Mercedes lodged two protests, which were rightfully thrown out.
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December 13, 2021 8:11am
- mandk
  
  When the decision to pit to change tyres matters more than anything else, you know that F1 has become ridiculous.
  
  Rules for next season should be:
  1. No refueling
  2. Only punctured tyres may be changed.
  
  It will never happen, though.
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:22am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I agree mandk but Red Bull exploited the rules as they stand and made a smart decision.
    And Mercedes don’t like being beaten.
    
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    December 13, 2021 8:36am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I’m not a fan of either Hamilton or Verstappen, and their teams, but I’m pleased Hamilton didn’t win another championship. Mercedes bullied its way to the top of F1 a number of years ago, and Hamilton has had an armchair ride too often.
      
      Hamilton must be nearing the end of his career. At 36, his reaction times will begin to lengthen, and as a number of other drivers have found, you can’t fight Father Time. Verstappen is a superb driver, but he needs to mature beyond his hothead tendencies. 2022 should be a good season, but it would be great to see other teams and drivers regularly competing for race wins.
      
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      December 13, 2021 9:20am
      - Jimbob
        
        Mercedes have the superior V6 turbo engine and battery when they first were used in F1. The other manufacturers have finally caught up, thank goodness. Red bull have always had the superior car aero, which makes it close. But next year the cars are changing significantly, all similar chassis, the best drivers will come to the service, and about time. The engines and batteries will be critical. It should be great fun. Cannot wait. About time McLaren showed some form, especially Danny Ricciardo.
        
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        December 13, 2021 10:36am
  - rangitoto
    
    No refueling has been the rule for years.
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:06am
- virtualmark
  
  You need to keep in mind that Formula One is an entertainment business owned by an American media company.
  
  This was a dramatic result engineered for television, rather than a “may the best man win” sporting competition.
  
  But Hamilton can’t complain too much about that, because the reason he gets paid as much as he does is that Formula One is an entertainment business owned by an American media company.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:05am
  - virtualmark
    
    The real winner is Netflix, with next year’s “Drive to Survive” series.
    
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    December 13, 2021 3:15pm
- yossarian
  
  To be fair, both Hamilton and Verstappen are rather difficult to like.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:20am
  - rangitoto
    
    They both conducted themselves well after the event. Not so much the Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff.
    
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    December 13, 2021 12:24pm
    - Jimbob
      
      Horner and Wolff cannot stand each other, Horner is always baiting people. Not a nice guy. If one of the other teams driver had won, it would be be different. Still, it’s big bucks and egos.
      
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      December 13, 2021 1:01pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

So, Jacinda actually believes nationalizing the media would be ‘for the greater good’….and the next logical step to fight disinformation.

https://twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1469418652562866182

(the ‘replies’ are a reeeeal HOOT 😀 )
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December 13, 2021 8:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The Government establishes a “fund” to pay journalists “to stop misinformation”. That is what she says. Incredible.
  
  What could possibly go wrong? Is there some guy somewhere who decides what is “misinformation”?
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:19am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Perhaps we could remain free to seek and receive information from all sources and then make our minds up for ourselves? Or is this yet another right in the Bill of Rights Act that has become too inconvenient? You can tell someone is lying when they wish to effectively ban all dissenting and contradictory sources of information.
    
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    December 13, 2021 8:22am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    “It is difficult to get a person to understand something when their salary depends upon them not understanding it”
    
    – Upton Sinclair
    
    (there’s a few come to mind 😀 😀 😀 )
    
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    December 13, 2021 8:23am
    - MCōs
      
      That certainly cuts two ways.
      
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      December 13, 2021 8:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It seems Our Dear PM may have forgotten why she set up the Public Interest Journalism Fund…
    
    It was to prop up dying media and provide employment for her sycophants
    
    The fund is designed to provide for a period of transition between the short-term Covid relief provided to the media sector and the longer-term work to support the sustainability of the sector that is underway. The funding will support vital public interest journalism while the sector adapts and evolves.
    https://mch.govt.nz/media-sector-support/journalism-fund
    
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    December 13, 2021 8:25am
    - Yabster
      
      aka shes lying yet again to suit her “democracy agenda” – what a joke that is!!
      
      I liked one comment Ja-Xi-nda……
      
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      December 13, 2021 8:37am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Well you would have to say that the Prime Minister and her propaganda advisers have got their money’s worth with the adapting and evolving.
      The msm has certainly adapted and evolved their thinking and reporting to what is demanded by the Labour Party.
      Money talks.
      
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      December 13, 2021 8:38am
    - Swifty
      
      None of that from her explains why they added multiple clauses that require fund recipients to toe the Labour Party line on Maori wonderfulness and do nothing to contradict Labour on adherence to ‘the principles of the Treaty’ and that ‘The Crown entered into a partnership with Maori’ etc etc.
      
      This has nothing to do with Covid and every thing to do with using taxpayer money to seek favourable, or at least not negative, coverage of Labour and it’s policies.
      
      It is the naked corruption of our free and independent news media.
      
      And a curse on the houses of the news media companies who have willingly accepted this poisoned chalice.
      
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      December 13, 2021 8:50am
      - Jack5
        
        Ardern’s subsidised media (or owned media in the case of radio and TV) are swinging into serious action as National gains traction against Labour.
        
        Peter Griffen, computer and science reporter, today in Stuff goes on kamikaze attack against famous scientist Richard Dawkins, for the famous scientist’s support of New Zealand scientists under attack by Maori activists and their sympathisers.
        
        This is over mad claims that Maori indigenous knowledge, orally transmitted over centuries, is science.
        
        Peter has written stories many of us appreciate, but he puts his reputation on the line against a famous scientist with this article.
        
        Griffen writes, in part:
        
        Dawkins contribution isn’t helpful. It’s devoid of the cultural context that underpins this curriculum change. Many Maori are disengaged from science because they don’t see their culture reflected in it.
        
        Peter, science is internationally uniform. It isn’t anthropology and other soft academic disciplines.
        
        The Stuff piece follows Red Radio’s servile interview with Ardern on Saturday. Boring, boring, boring…. covid, covid, covid, and the reporter’s only challenge tried to cement the view that Maori lagging in vaccinations is everyone’s fault but that of Maori.
        
        And Stuff today rakes up the staff relationships of now-retired MP Nick Smith.
        
        If Ardern’s PR team of 500 is working cellphones really is calling up media action in return for tens of millions in subsidies, it means the tide is turning for National and ACT.
        
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        December 13, 2021 9:58am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Yes, a load of obscurist b.s. from Griffen to excuse the indefensible NZRS and its pack of woke activists.
        
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        December 13, 2021 1:06pm
    - Bob
      
      Nationalising the media will provide many more employment opportunities for union member journalists and public service managers.
      
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      December 13, 2021 10:00am
    - OTGO
      
      And its not just the money from the fund that is going to the MSM. There are the countless advertisements from NZTA, Health Dept, etc.
      I even heard an ad for ACC this morning. What the fuck would the ACC be advertising on prime time for. Its not like we have a choice.
      
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      December 13, 2021 11:37am
  - Prince
    
    Yes, the Police are on the job – see their investigation into BFD.
    And you thought they were trying to keep our streets safe !
    
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    December 13, 2021 8:26am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      If you cant do real Police work you get moved to the “Scanning and Targeting Team”
      
      They have been looking for Far Right White Supremist for some time now, how many have they found?
      
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      December 13, 2021 10:11am
  - pdm
    
    Some guy BY?
    
    Given the growth of the Public Service in the last 4 years she probably has 20 or more solely for that purpose.
    
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    December 13, 2021 8:28am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Information is what comes out of competing streams of reported facts. Just change the filters and chose what you want. Postmodernism does not allow objective truth.
    Executorship requires a firm base not a woolly sheeps back of opinion. Imagine trying to build a house that way–I don’t like radiata, it will have to be dried jonquil stalks.
    Governance has become infested with moderno lice.
    
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    December 13, 2021 8:46am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Here is a good example:
      
      Jacinda “The vaccines are safe.”
      
      Ummmm no they are not “safe”. No medicine or surgery is “safe”. They all carry risks.
      
      It is now apparent that the vaccines carry small risks of catastrophic heart damage. A small risk, but very, very bad for the people who are affected.
      
      Nobody wants to talk about these risks, or to properly investigate how that awful adverse reaction can be reduced in frequency.
      
      The best way to stop “misinformation” is a multitude or ideas. Bribing (or forcing) journalists to not “misinform” is a play from totalitarian regimes. It is shocking this has happened in New Zealand.
      
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      December 13, 2021 8:58am
      - MCōs
        
        Do you think Ayesha Verrall should warn 14yo smokers it may not be safe to stop suddenly?
        
        Maybe all public health measures should be either stopped or the public constantly reminded of the side effects.
        
        That would include various vaccines, iodine in salt, folic acid in flour, chlorine & fluoride in water, homogenized milk . . . .
        
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        December 13, 2021 9:35am
  - Rich Prick
    
    So we’re paying them to NOT produce their usual bullshit? The world has gone quite mad.
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:04am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, what she obviously misses is that most of us don’t believe much of what the funded media produce. That is left to the dyed in the wool Labour voters or trapped retirement home residents. Hitler and Stalin’s use of the media was of a time before the internet and Jacinda is pretty much pissing into the wind if she thinks our MSM will save her skin in such a manner.
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:31am
  - bronny1
    
    most of us don’t.
    most of the people i know do, and probably most of the people most of us know.
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:55am
    - artemisia
      
      Too true, Kiwiblog commenters are not your average voters.
      
      Would say though that it is good to see a range of views here. Mostly thought through and considered. Not a lot of that about these days.
      
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      December 13, 2021 12:57pm
- David George
  
  “In an honest society, all of this would have been subject to robust public debate. We would have seen scientists of all opinions openly debating on TV and radio and in the press; views of all kinds aired on social media; journalists properly investigating reports of both vaccine successes and vaccine dangers; serious explorations of alternative treatments; public debates about the balance between civil liberties and public health, and what ‘public health’ even means. But we have not seen this and we will not see it, for debate, like dissent, is out of fashion. The media here in Ireland has not asked a critical question of anyone in authority for at least eighteen months. Google’s algorithms are busy burying inconvenient data, while the social media channels from which most people receive their worldview are removing or suppressing critical opinions, even if they come from virologists or editors of the British Medical Journal.
  
  Day after day, I have been waking and wondering: what is going on?”
  https://paulkingsnorth.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-moment-part-one
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That essay is an excellent read.
    Thanks for posting the link.
    
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    December 13, 2021 8:57am
    - David George
      
      Thanks Maggy.
      Part two is now up on his substack.
      He’s a great writer and thinker – same thing I guess.
      
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      December 13, 2021 10:17am
      - bronny1
        
        not the same thing at all. Lots of people can think very critically and coherently but ask them to commit it to paper….I work with many of them.
        
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        December 13, 2021 10:56am
      - mawm
        
        Going along with his theme on segregation of the unvaxxed from the vaxxed is another substack author – Dr Paul Alexander, with 9 studies to support the rejection of segregation.
        
        https://palexander.substack.com/p/9-studies-support-the-rejection-of
        
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        December 13, 2021 12:18pm
      - Thumelicus
        
        Thanks for sharing David, well written commentary. I was having a discussion with my life insurance adviser just before reading these two articles. She mentioned similar to Paul that the “Thesis” is being questioned by more and more people she comes into contact with. (btw life insurances isn’t going up dramatically, nor are payouts through the roof.. insurance businesses are naturally risk averse, changes in the market would manifest itself very rapidly here)
        
        Whenever I see additional delusional measures our governments are pushing for I’m reminded of these words.. “The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world” – Professor Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum of which Ardern is a nominated “Young global leader”
        
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        December 13, 2021 1:16pm
  - Opie
    
    If we are going to force our citizens to do something, it should be to read this…
    
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    December 13, 2021 9:45am
    - Random T Person
      
      I’ve come to realise a great many people live a completely unexamined life. Even highly educated, highly successful people. The realisation is incredibly depressing.
      
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      December 13, 2021 3:17pm
  - Miritu
    
    Thank you DG
    The essay is an excellent resource to use for responding to:
    – pro-mandate friends and colleagues
    – clubs choosing to exclude unvaccinated members
    – retailers choosing to exclude unvaccinated customers
    – other pro-mandate organisations
    Unless something changes soon we are headed for a very dark place
    
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    December 13, 2021 6:19pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    DGeorge: A chilling read.
    
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    December 13, 2021 9:42pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Next would be global warming Maggie.
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:41am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Maggie, next will be global warming.
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:45am
- Frank the tank
  
  This is the reason why Animal Farm has become the most important piece of literature in the western world.
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:45am
- Simon
  
  Basic corruption – that will not be addressed by National.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:11am
  - Nickc2
    
    I agree with you on corruption but as for the rest, that’s something neither you nor I know anything about.
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:29am
- graham
  
  So Jacinda Ardern still believes that the vast majority of the public actually believe and trust the media and journalists? That we whole-heartedly believe they really do tell us the WHOLE truth, without any bias or fear of retribution? Even the facts that might inconveniently contradict the accepted message?
  
  Awww, bless – that’s so sweet. It’s like a child who still believes in the magic of fairies and unicorns, and that Kermit the Frog’s “Rainbow Connection” has a deep and meaningful message.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:24am
I remember when

Isn’t it remarkable how much alike being flexible and ready to react quickly, can look like being indecisive and not knowing what to do next.
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December 13, 2021 8:14am
Scott

Andrea Vance does the classic hit job on Chris Luxon –

According to Vance Luxon is entitled to his beliefs. But then she says, “it is right that religious views are prosecuted.” She says that Luxon’s views “speak volumes about a disdainful attitude to women and in the pro-life doctrine women are dehumanised, merely vessels for delivering new life. Forced birth – because that’s what the logical conclusion of anti-abortion is – punishes women who want to abort (while failing to protect the child).”

Actually it says a lot about Vance that she cannot see any redeeming feature in the pro-life argument. Abortion doesn’t protect the child. Abortion kills the child. Indeed according to reports a late term abortion in New Zealand recently resulted in the baby being born alive and left for two hours to die without any medical care whatsoever.

The abortion legislation that we have today is an extreme bill that gives the abortion lobby everything they could want and gives nothing to the pro-life side.

This is the problem today. We have no politics of compromise. The Prime Minister is determined to ram through three waters for example despite massive opposition. She put Maori representatives on every council despite massive opposition. There is no compromise. The Prime Minister might smile nicely and speak nicely but underneath she is a committed socialist who really believes that she is ushering forth a new utopia where racism and sexism are no more. In the words of another revolutionary, “to make an omelette you have to break a few eggs”.

Sadly people like the Prime Minister and Andrea Vance are doing the exact thing they accuse Chris Luxon of. They are promoting fundamentalism. They see their views as right and completely do not want to compromise and instead label their political opponents as raving fundamentalists who want to dehumanise women.

We need to understand that politics involves compromise. We need to learn to listen to other people’s points of view. We need to understand that other people are allowed to speak views that we disagree with. Otherwise how can we possibly have a democracy?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127234357/luxons-views-speak-volumes-about-his-attitude-to-women
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December 13, 2021 8:20am
- All_on_Red
  
  It was inevitable that the Media would use Luxon’s religion to start smearing him with women.
  Paint him as anti abortion which then becomes anti womens rights.
  Jacinda needs that female support and as the ‘journalists’ need Govt money, they will put the boot into him to save her and their own jobs.
  What is Luxon going to do about it?
  Publicly castigate her for bring a bigot?
  He should.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:13am
  - Paulus
    
    Luxon must not castigate her – only her policies.
    The huge woman’s movement will do nothing but totally defend her against any male.
    Remember Ardern was brought up as a Mormon who in principle are sympathetic with Luxon’s sentiment.
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:12am
    - All_on_Red
      
      I meant castigate Vance
      They need to start calling them out on this stuff. It cant be ignored.
      
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      December 13, 2021 11:26am
- graham
  
  Yet another example of Stuff being agenda-driven, and hence not worthy of your trust.
  
  Are you surprised? I’m not.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:17am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Couldn’t agree more with your last two paragraphs in particular Scott.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:24am
- BeaB
  
  I am a woman and anti-abortion. Does that make me a misogynist?
  Modern birth control and better sex education should ensure no woman has to suffer an abortion.
  Once you have given birth to a child could you really face killing its sibling? Whatever the arguments about viable life, we know the potential exists for life.
  Abortion is not for me but I don’t impose my view on others.
  Luxon has clearly said he opposes abortion but the current legislation which will stay in place.
  That Vance is even making an issue of this means this is all they have to attack him on. Painting him as a woman-hater is bottom of the barrel stuff.
  By the way, did he ever say he was an ‘evangelical’ Christian? He seems to me to be the opposite of an evangelist!
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:54am
  - bronny1
    
    Its irrelevant at this point what he thinks anyway. Jabcinda is the one that made full term abortion legal.
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:58am
- NoFax
  
  Vance is also incorrect when she says this is an anti-women stance. Research shows over and over again, women are more pro-life than men for I think rather obvious reasons.
  
  However, this piece of writing was not written to convince or even for us – it is written as a nod to “fellow travelers” – “Don’t worry I am still against National and will do anything for the fight!”
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:57am
- I remember when
  
  At a time when Sex education, contraception and the ‘morning after pill’ makes birth control easier than it has ever been – why is abortion still such a burning issue.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:57am
  - RichardX
    
    At a time when increased vehicle technology, better driver education and improved roads make driving safer, why do crashes still happen?
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:26am
    - alloytoo
      
      I suspect the answer is the same for both questions.
      
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      December 13, 2021 2:30pm
- Ehlana
  
  The pro-abortion argument is that people (women) should have the ultimate say in what happens to their bodies – even if that results in the death of another human being.
  The pro-vaccination argument is that people should not have the ultimate say in what happens to their bodies – because their choices might result in the death of another human being.
  
  Are all those in favour of compulsory vaccination also anti-abortion? If not, why not?
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:09am
  - alloytoo
    
    Well if you don’t like their principles, they have others.
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:41am
  - RichardX
    
    Are you also saying that all those against mandated vaccination should be pro choice because they support bodily autonomy?
    If not, why not?
    
    What is your stance on government mandated organ donation. Someone will die if you don’t give up your kidney so should the government have the right to mandate that?
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:07am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Both Adern and Andrea Vance are blinded by the planks in their own eyes.
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:14am
  - BeaB
    
    Abortion and the Springbok tour are like sacred touchstones to reporters. Remember when they lambasted Key over his attitude to the tour? I was a young teacher at the time and for us, in fact the whole staff room, it was barely an issue.
    It seems our MPs have to be coached in stock answers to placate the media fishwives.
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:47am
Warren

How can Jacinda Ardern have any credibility on the housing market with statements like this.
Housing Crisis: Runaway prices cannot continue says Ardern.
This is the same Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister that allowed her Housing Minister Megan Woods to compete in the open market against first home buyers on family homes which kept house prices rising.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/housing-crisis-runaway-prices-cannot-continue-ardern.html
Jacinda Ardern will lie and decieve at every opportunity as she is power hungry and the polls have started to turn against her and the Labou Party, showing the downward slide she is presently in because of he policies.
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December 13, 2021 8:25am
ecco

Is anyone concerned about the increased scrutiny required by banks for mortgage applications under the new credit contracts and consumer finance act regulations? Banks are now required to go line by line through someone’s bank statements and quiz people on their spending before approving a mortgage.

Ostensibly it’s about ‘know your customer’ but it’s really just another big brother move from Ardern’s government. A total overreach that we have come to expect from the crowd in government.

Ardern and Robertson are single handedly tanking the property market and drying up liquidity for housing. This would have been the desired effect by Labour but they are also locking out first home buyers who find it even harder to get finance now, in the process.
There are interesting discussions on the interest.co.nz site on the effect this is having on auction and tender process clearance rates.

I guess this will carry on till Robertson realises nearer the election that declining house prices = voters feeling bad about the government, thus spending less causing a contraction in economic activity.
Ardern will never get this. Her concept of the economy is at a base level ie financially illiterate.
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December 13, 2021 8:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The Labour dream is to have every New Zealander living in a house owned by the Government.
  Just like the Soviet Union.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:19am
  - ecco
    
    Would certainly put the government at an advantage if they are buying up housing stock as they are just spending taxpayer money rather than having to go through the banks to get funding.
    
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    December 13, 2021 9:23am
- MCōs
  
  Is it not the responsibility of the bank to ensure whoever they lend money to can pay it back?
  They can’t send a bloke around with a baseball bat to break some legs if someone is slow with repayments.
  (I knew a bloke who did that. Apparently it’s quite effective if handled professionally)
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:48am
  - ex-golfer
    
    Yes – that is the responsibility of a lending institution (something they have been woefully bad at in the past).
    However banks do not need to undertake line-by-line scrutiny of someones spending (which in and of itself is a breach of privacy). They already have the ability to do it through their own customer algorithms where they can clearly see whether someone has a good credit history and pays their bills on time or rather has a bad credit history and has an appetite to rake up, for example, huge CC debt.
    I have three creditcards which I pay in full every month. The banks don’t earn a cent in interest out of me. In their minds I am a bad customer because they don’t earn anything from me.
    But what I am spending MY money on is and should never be any of their business. Their only business is assessing if I have the ability to service a mortgage based on my earning capacity and my regular expenses.
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:03am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The Responsible Lending Code
    https://www.consumerprotection.govt.nz/assets/uploads/responsible-lending-code-june-2017.pdf
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:30am
- Prince
  
  Real Estate agents are saying the market has hit a wall, driven by the banks delaying loans as they follow new Govt legislation.
  Ardern/Robertson will welcome that news until they realise it is the younger, first-time buyers who they are hitting the most.
  Look to the ‘first home’ buyer subsidy, to be announced early 2022, as their next move.
  Of course it won’t work, but they will continue to add money to the see-saw until either the money runs out or the whole thing collapses.
  
  They don’t know what they’re doing.
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:20am
- ecco
  
  Someone posted these stats on the net of what’s happening in the Lower Hutt market. Ask anyone selling their house or any local land agents what’s happening currently to get an accurate picture of how this is playing out.
  
  “In some markets this is already occurring. I track the Lower Hutt housing market and the wellington market.
  Lower hutt has as of today 425 listings (a 5 year high) and double this time last year. current sales are 40 listings a week – meaning there is 10.5 weeks SOH. Something listed today is likely to take until late Feb to sell – considering sales will be few over the last week of Dec and first week Jan.
  Of the 425 listings – 171 have been on the market more than a month (41% of all listings).
  Approx 50% – 204 of the listings have an advertised price. Some houses list with a price – most are adding a price when they fail to sell at auction or tender. Those with a price – approximately 30% have decreased that price since listing with a price – with the average price decrease been $47K. One house has dropped the price from $1.06M to 900K and is still yet to sell after 2 months on the market.
  A buyers market is usually defined as
  1. More houses than buyers- usually 2.75 months stock (11 weeks) is a definite buyers market – Lower hutt would be close on this.
  2. Majority of houses list with a price and dont use auction or tender as there are not enough buyers to create competition.
  3. The majority of houses listed have been on the market longer than 4 weeks
  3. Sellers begin to increasingly decrease listing prices in order to sell their house quickly.
  
  All of the above factors were used to categorise Sydney’s housing market decline in 2018-19. The total decline in that market was 12% from the mid 2017 peak.”
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:32am
- ecco
  
  Link to article re the effect the big brother credit criteria are having on the property market.
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/113656/overall-sales-rate-barfoot-thompsons-auctions-drops-43
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:33am
- tf78
  
  You’ll probably have to sign up to the gummints new job insurance policy to get a mortgage.
  
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  December 13, 2021 7:43pm
westernScientest

What to know what the next round of covid restrictions will be? I bet this is in cindys bookmarks

https://koronawirus.lol/en/
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December 13, 2021 8:32am
Ruawai

Went to the movies and a restaurant last night in red level. Observations: Mask on and vax scan to enter the movies and in the foyer, advised masks can come off when watching the movie in an over half full theatre, mask on again to go to the toilet and when leaving the movies, at the restaurant mask on to enter the restaurant, mask off at the table, mask back on to go to the toilet then back off again back at the table, then when paying and walking out the door mask on then outside mask off again. So the science must be settled, it must be possible to catch covid walking through doorways, using eftpos machines and going to the toilet but there is no risk of catching covid in crowded theatres and restaurants. Yet again madness and no logic.
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December 13, 2021 8:37am
- Ford Prefect
  
  I belong to a Working Mens Club and their rules state no snooker, pool, darts or line dancing. However poker, dining and pilates are fine.
  It appears you can only catch Covid while standing up.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:35am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The Ban on Line Dancing seems very sensible to me
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:07am
    - Spoff
      
      Line dancing is the weirdest social activity I’ve ever witnessed – and I spent two years among folk who dance wearing nothing but ashes and a penis-shield.
      
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      December 13, 2021 12:28pm
emmess

Oh no, so sad
https://www.zdnet.com/article/brazilian-ministry-of-health-suffers-cyberattack-and-covid-19-vaccination-data-vanishes/
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December 13, 2021 8:44am
- Thumelicus
  
  What a tragedy! Would be a shame if that happened here..
  
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  December 13, 2021 1:56pm
Truman lodge

Is it just me or do all the stuff journalists really hate NZ?

The way phill goof hates Auckland..
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December 13, 2021 8:49am
- graham
  
  I can’t answer the question, I’m afraid – I’d have to read Stuff to find out.
  
  And I stopped reading Stuff about a year ago, when I grew increasingly frustrated with the misleading and virtue-signalling garbage that I was seeing constantly appear as they became more and more agenda-driven.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:15am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Truman-
  No, I don’t think they really hate NZ.
  It is that they really admire socialism.
  Socialism is the way to seek and maintain control of their world and they are easily taken in.
  Why else would so many journalists believe in and promote the Jacinda cult?
  Especially when the rest of the Labour Party is manifestly incompetent.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:53am
  - calendar girl
    
    Does your last sentence imply that PM Ardern herself can be assumed to be “competent”?
    Thus far, NZ has seen little evidence of such competence.
    
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    December 13, 2021 12:49pm
- dh
  
  They hate good and love evil.
  
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  December 13, 2021 6:38pm
Opie

Their logic: “We found this new variant that predominantly infects the vaccinated and is resistant to antibodies elicited by the vaccine. Please, go get vaccinated. And if you’ve already been vaccinated, please go get vaccinated more.”
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December 13, 2021 8:49am
Leofric

What the hell is this? Maoris in Space?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/457750/government-space-launch-moving-forward-despite-officials-concerns
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December 13, 2021 8:52am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Peter Beck used some pretty savvy science tech to get Rocket Lab to where it is today. Can’t wait to see the concepts the indigenous “science” comes up with for this.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:46am
  - mandk
    
    Didn’t you know, rocket fuel can be synthesised from kawakawa leaves?
    
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    December 13, 2021 9:57am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Ah – so Taniwha will use the diuretic properties of kawakawa as a catalyst to convert dihydrogen oxide into a propulsion medium – sounds like pretty “expert” science to me mandk , 🙂 , and they will control all the base fuel they need as well!
      
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      December 13, 2021 10:19am
  - Leofric
    
    Just wait until they find moa bones on the moon…
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:44am
    - pussycat
      
      More likely soot from their burn offs!
      
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      December 13, 2021 12:26pm
    - david
      
      Please no, not another extinction occurring before colonisation?
      
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      December 13, 2021 12:58pm
- Jack5
  
  The Government stumps up $16 million to take a joint stake with Ngai Tahu at Kaitorete Spit declaring the plan is for a space launch site.
  
  The tribe sees the site as having historical significance to Ngai Tahu, and will prize the land whether or not a rocket ever takes off from there.
  
  It’s like the film industry. Everyone wants in. Britain is developing a space launch site in Scotland, and two launch sites are being developed in South Australia. Rocket Lab USA Inc, as the NZ-origin venture has become, is developing its second launch site, but in the United States.
  
  This is from the Wikipedia entry on the space-launch market:
  
  The launch industry is becoming increasingly competitive; however, to date there has been no indication of a large increase of launch opportunities in response to decreasing prices.
  
  Smart move by Ngai Tahu.
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:16pm
Benedict Yu

Nick Smith is unhappy this report has been published because it has “inaccuracies”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127248298/just-a-fing-secretary-former-mp-nick-smith-bullied-harassed-and-swore-at-staff-according-to-a-draft-report

Most reports have “inaccuracies”. The question should be “Is it substantially correct?”

There is never any excuse to scream and spit at someone.
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December 13, 2021 8:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like he should have left Parliament years ago.. or conversely, he shouldn’t have entered Parliament before he’d had some real-life experience in the working world.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:04am
  - jv
    
    Yep
    
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    December 13, 2021 9:44am
  - Warren
    
    Maggy could you give me DPF’s email you gave it to me once before , it’s so I can get my post posted straight away instead of moderation. He tried to do it a couple of months ago but my phone wouldn’t play ball so now I have bought a new phone I want him to try again. Thanks Warren.
    
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    December 13, 2021 4:26pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/contact
      
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      December 13, 2021 6:09pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hi Warren,
      I don’t know DPF’s personal email
      Try editor@kiwiblog.co.nz
      
      or use the link supplied in the Comments policy:
      You can register to comment at https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-login.php?action=register. You must supply an username and an e-mail address. It is up to you whether or not you comment under your known name, or a pseudonym. However be aware that commenters who use their actual name will generally have their comments appear automatically, while those using an alias have to wait for a moderator to approve them.
      
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      December 13, 2021 6:20pm
      - Warren
        
        Thanks Maggy yes I have already changed from happychappy to my real name but had trouble with my phone and DPF couldn’t find a way of fixing it after several days of trying, so I have bought a new phone to see if that will work.
        
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        December 13, 2021 6:50pm
- nathie
  
  It just goes to show that Nick Smith has anger management issues and reaches breaking point too easily. Best to be out of Parliament for everyone’s sake.
  
  But wait, what about the other grade A a-holes that did despicable A-holey sh*t, contributing to Nick Smith’s mental health issues?
  
  Like the pricks that threw poison over him or the prick that built a giant statue of him ~~sh*tting~~ , and no doubt countless others (including sneering leftie TVNZ/RNZ reporters)?
  
  No wonder why Nick Smith snapped under the pressure .. may karma return the favor to those who were responsible.
  
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  December 13, 2021 12:46pm
- Jack5
  
  Without defending Smith, “spitting at someone” seems to be a step beyond someone being smeared with spit from someone shouting at them, repulstive though that is.
  
  A commercial “rage room” over the road from Parliament would be the answer for angry politicians like Smith. Might help their staff, too.
  
  I thought they were Japanese, but apparently they began in America:
  
  https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/hate-your-boss-mad-at-your-ex-release-stress-and-unleash-anger-at-crash-box-japan
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:44pm
Tauhei Notts

A worrying thing I have noticed recently is that people who are dependent upon central and local government for their income are more likely to be sucked in to climate change and covid-19 bullshit. Not just employees of central and local government, but contractors as well.
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December 13, 2021 8:54am
- notreadyet
  
  None of my friend beneficiaries (read those now on retirement pension) subscribe to global warming and I believe they all see throught covid but I do know most , not me, decided to opt for the protection, a number due to spousal pressure, on basis of age (65-72) but none have any comorbidities to I’m aware of and unlikely to submit to the follow-up other than for travel
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:30am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  If you want to work as a contractor to Central Govt then you’re going to have to be doubled vaxxed. They don’t seem to respect personal choice or bodily autonomy.
  
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  December 13, 2021 7:39pm
SJ Actual

This morning my vaccine passport has vanished from my (androd) phone. They guy in the shop I was at said that he’s had numerous android users with the same issue. Has anyone else had the same?
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December 13, 2021 8:55am
- Leofric
  
  Yes. I have instead it downloaded as a PDF which is attached to the home screen as a note.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:26am
- DeepBlue
  
  Plenty of reports. Apparently an update is coming for Android Wallet.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:35am
- Ford Prefect
  
  yup, me too
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:36am
- oldfella
  
  SJ, happened to me twice. Reloaded, and okay since, but now I just flash a paper version if necessary. I suspect before long we won’t even need anything as people will just ignore the regulations the same way they’re starting to ignore the tracer scan.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:41am
  - Nickc2
    
    Don’t walk around with Bluetooth turned on! Only turn it on for immediate use and off thereafter.
    
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    December 13, 2021 1:16pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I seriously doubt people will “ignore” the vaccine passes in the near future. Every venue I have been in the last 4 days have had people on the door scanning the passes, not just glancing at them which was what was happening in the first 3 days. These were a cinema, a bar, 2 restaurants, a cafe, and the New Brighton Hot Pools. They also have multiple signage saying “Vaccine Pass Required”. Sorry I just don’t see any signs that these folk will soon break the law en masse.
    
    Also I don’t see anyone walking into supermarkets or cafes etc without using the tracer app.
    
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    December 13, 2021 4:20pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Have you tried doing it, Benedict? Leave your phone in your pocket until challenged. It can be quite liberating!
      
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      December 13, 2021 7:41pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        How is being refused entry liberating?
        
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        December 13, 2021 8:53pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      BY: I never use my tracer app. On the (very) odd occasion in the early days I’d either pretend to scan or just write on the paper if someone insisted. I’d never give my real details though. Sorry.. it’s all BS.
      
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      December 13, 2021 10:01pm
- Colville
  
  Just save it in your gallery.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:42am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes me too. And my partner. And her mum. And her sister. 🙁
  
  It is some flaw related to Google Pay. It seems to auto disable itself. I have up and took a screen shot and made it the lock screen.
  
  But god knows how people who are not a little tech savvy deal with this.
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:09am
  - alloytoo
    
    Print and laminate?
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:45am
- ex-golfer
  
  Yes – I uploaded to GooglePay and placed it on my homescreen.
  Twice it has vanished from my homescreen and I have had to reinstate it.
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:10am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Sounds as though an update process is taking it out.
    
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    December 13, 2021 1:13pm
KevO'Brien

Good news.
I just had a letter from Canterbury Health Board without a single Maori item in it.
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December 13, 2021 8:56am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Went shopping at a new ‘Fresh Choice’ Supermarket last night.
  They were advertising Caulis at half-price.
  All the ‘Aisle Display Boards’ were written in MAORI with English translation alongside.
  Talk about confusing!!
  
  The funny thing is, the franchise is Indian owned, staffed by Asians, and I never saw one Maori shopper.
  
  Last time I go there. All the caulis had gone.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:11am
  - mandk
    
    just out of interest, what is maori for cauliflower?
    
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    December 13, 2021 9:13am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      That’s why I was so jolly confused!
      Maori for ‘cauliflower’ actually means….. cabbage.
      
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      December 13, 2021 9:35am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      (translit.) kareparāoa
      
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      December 13, 2021 9:37am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      kolifalaua (Kevs’s pigeon dic)
      
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      December 13, 2021 10:22am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        pigeon dic?
        
        LOL!!!
        
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        December 13, 2021 10:48am
      - Leofric
        
        No letter “l” in the maori alphabet. It’ll have to be korifarawa.
        
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        December 13, 2021 11:37am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @reowhrik
        
        no letter ‘f”, either
        
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        December 13, 2021 1:53pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Altternative: koliwharaua?
        Maori varies with tribes. Puketifinau if we will ever get an acceptable version for Pakeha use.
        
        May it should have been a pidgin dic, but have you ever seen one?
        
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        December 13, 2021 6:39pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        No pics…
        
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        December 13, 2021 7:41pm
  - henrybryn
    
    Interesting, do you have issues with other nationalities, it appears so from your post
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:33am
  - MCōs
    
    If you ever go across the seas to Thailand you’ll find that all the street signs, important buildings, direction signs, aisle signs in the shops, pretty much throughout the country are bilingual.
    English is certainly not an official language and outside Krung Thep Mahanakhon (Bangkok) is unintelligible to all all the locals.
    Interestingly enough Mandarin would be far more prevalent, but rarely used in signs outside Chinatown or on banks. They say government cabinet meetings could be conducted in Mandarin.
    
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    December 13, 2021 5:50pm
- lifesgood
  
  Write and congratulate them on their clear and understandable correspondence. That is indeed good news.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:41am
- Bob
  
  Kev,
  send that letter back to CHB immediately for editing, it is clear that you won’t be getting the correct message without Maori words in the text.
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:07am
- curry4me
  
  KevO’Brien: Are you sure it wasn’t a forgery? Has the writer been sacked for ‘raycism’ since delivery?
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:54am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I’m pleasantly happy to let sleeping dogs lie.
    
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    December 13, 2021 4:00pm
- ByGolly
  
  Frame it.
  
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  December 13, 2021 3:21pm
Yabster

Good article from Neil Oliver

very relatable to NZ and our Governmen #[Deleted – Mod]

https://www.gbnews.uk/gb-views/neil-oliver-this-christmas-my-family-and-i-are-not-afraid-of-covid-just-like-the-government-at-their-parties-last-year/178909
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December 13, 2021 9:06am
Yabster

Neil Oliver video on possibly vacinne mandates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P7t-2Vt85Y
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December 13, 2021 9:13am
thirteenstars

Those of you who have the common-sense view that vaccines are good but that no government should ever mandate them are no doubt surprised to learn that according to Merriam-Webster dictionary that you, too, are an anti-vaxxer:

a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination

(emphasis mine)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer

So far, dictionary.com. Oxford, Cambridge and others have variations of:

a person who is opposed to vaccination, especially a parent who does not wish to vaccinate their child because they believe it could be harmful

Which seems a perfectly reasonable definition.

The MW definition is a political definition as it conflates an opposition to a voluntary medical procedure with opposition to a forced medical procedure.

And it’s done on purpose. That’s the way the neo-Marxists think: to oppose forcing vaccines on people is to oppose vaccines per se. Rinse and repeat for all such things, update the dictionary definitions, teach it in schools, outlaw alternative language.
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December 13, 2021 9:18am
Yvette

A “Magic Talk” radio commercial announcement says, roughly –
Auckland Council is seeking feedback on how the entity tasked with managing water services and assets, will be accountable to the people of our region.
People have until 11.59pm on Sunday 19 December to submit feedback.
– without mentioning the term “3 Waters”

Thinks: Ardern and Mahuta’s Government runs a $3.5 million taxpayer-funded ad campaign (expensive animation and then vast television exposure) to establish the “3 Waters” identity, and then doesn’t reference that $3.5 million campaign in requesting public submissions – what the ‘f’?
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A top Kiwi actress features in a $3.5 million taxpayer-funded ad campaign which National say deliberately smears the country’s local councils.
Thor: Ragnarok and Hunt for the Wilderpeople’s actress Rachel House lends her voice to the Government’s campaign to get people on board with its three waters proposal.
“Imagine Aotearoa without good water – what a stink as place that would be,” she said in the ad.
She then describes a number of scenarios where filthy water is creating distress for the cartoon characters depicted.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/three-waters-govt-secures-top-kiwi-actress-for-35m-ad-campaign-slammed-as-a-smear/PHDBXUZHL5O5DF7UOJDKUGTJAQ/
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December 13, 2021 9:22am
- BeaB
  
  And why do so many ads these days feature Māori speaking like slightly backward children? Do all Māori really talk this way? Why don’t Māori MPs protest about these demeaning stereotypes?
  The water ads were the worst. And then that vax ad. And another with someone measuring a road or something with urchins shouting at him.
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:42am
  - Leofric
    
    I’ve wondered that myself. How do Maoris feel about being portrayed as cuzzy hicks straight out of a Billy T. James parody?
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They are speaking Māori English (ME).
    
    Seems to be a rich field for academics:
    https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/lals/research/projects/grinze/publications/Maori_English.pdf
    
    https://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10092/9212/hardman_thesis.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
    
    https://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10092/10371/BiancaVowellMSLTThesis.pdf?sequence=1
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:48am
    - Leofric
      
      Then do we get to have our own form of English Maori?
      
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      December 13, 2021 1:29pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Maori English seems to be a hybrid with Sesame Street and MTV major influences.
      
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      December 13, 2021 4:03pm
Rusty

Perhaps now Jacinda is finding it much harder to reform (using a nice word) our democratic and economic system than she thought.

The kindness rhetoric and money handouts can only last so long and probably once the funding to the media and special interest groups dries up they will turn on her.

Lock downs cant last forever simply because without a functioning economy where people are working our health and welfare system cant function either.

Jacinda may have captured a certain demographic and class of people in this country with her ideology but the average Nzer will never accept this because they only know one way of life –freedom and democracy.
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December 13, 2021 9:25am
Biscuit

Killed two birds with one stone last night.

Booked for a dinner date with my presh and proceeded to do grief to the tune of $165 to my bank account balance.

The two birds I killed?:

1. Keeping my presh ‘on side’ for a few more days before I get another ‘You never take me out…’ wail
2. Managing to miss John ‘Mr, Me, It’s All About Me!’ Campbell’s doco on TV One

Ain’t life sweet!
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December 13, 2021 9:25am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Sooo with you there Bikkie!
  Just caught the last part of Country Calendar when suddenly Campbells horrible big bonce appeared on screen.
  Switched straight over to ‘Botched’
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:14am
  - lifesgood
    
    Had way better things to do than sit through watching that pain in the butt. Can’t stand the man. The programme on Pripyat and Chernobyl after Campbell was a fascinating watch, though.
    
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    December 13, 2021 10:28am
    - Biscuit
      
      Indeed, lifesgood.
      I have that on record and will watch it at my convenience, heh.
      
      The trailer I saw had – ye Gods – a presenter talking in a normal voice, not making any SUDDEN and unEXPECTED hand gestures, not thrusting his earnest, scrunched, bespectacled face into close-up shot before you’d even got over the one before the one before last.
      
      I was in Cherbobyl in 2011, lifesgood. Very briefly, ha. You got given a handheld Geiger counter that went off its scale before you’d even got within COOEE of the place.
      
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      December 13, 2021 11:40am
      - bronny1
        
        would love to go there. Read some stuff about how life (animal and plant) has reemerged. I was only about 10. That was the “fear” in my generation’s childhood, nuclear war/disaster. My folks didn’t talk about it when we were around at least, but some of the kids at school were terrified. Imagine if social media had been around then.
        
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        December 13, 2021 4:24pm
- Leofric
  
  Did dear John figure out why everybody’s so pissed off? Or are we going to have to tell him ourselves?
  
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  December 13, 2021 1:44pm
mandk

The first question that should be asked is: What private sector money is going into this?

If no private investor is willing to risk their own money (like they did with Rocket Lab), the government has no business putting in tax payers money.

The article mentions Kaitōrete Limited, but a google search reveals no evidence that the company is trading or has any cash.
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December 13, 2021 9:26am
In Vino Veritas

And on a way more important note, Anna Smith interviewing Barbara Broccoli regarding 007:
Smith suggested “Non-binary, perhaps, maybe one day?” to which Broccoli replied: “Who knows? I mean, I think it’s open. We just have to find the right actor.”

Sorry Barbara, but no one can be that stupid. Enough of the “we have to adapt to the times” shit. You have, for the meantime, a minority bunch of loud mouth misfits and whack jobs who have too much to say, and too many demands to be met. If you run with this crap, most won’t watch! If you want to screw the franchise up, go ahead. You’ll only get the chance once, and then you’ll be Bomber Broccoli.
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December 13, 2021 9:26am
- graham
  
  Unfortunately, this reminds me of a meme that has started popping up, which is all too true.
  
  “I’ve got to stop saying, how stupid can you be … too many people are taking it as a challenge”.
  
  There’s already a bunch of writers who seem intent on doing what the Daleks, Autons, and a whole bunch of alien monsters couldn’t achieve – killing off Doctor Who. And they’re doing it using political correctness and preachiness.
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:59am
  - Leofric
    
    Even my teenagers started moaning about the dreadfulness of recent Dr Who scripts. It was a great pity. I thought Jodie Whittaker was actually a rather good Doctor, or would be if it wasn’t for the dreadful woke scripts.
    
    I’m preparing myself for the next Bond movie in which a 21-year-old autistic woke transsexual 007-of-colour with frizzy hair and lots of tattoos rides an e-scooter to do battle with evil white middle-aged male climate change criminals, whilst sharing “their” first same-gender kiss, whatever gender that turns out to be, and trying to cope with the demands of adulting. The almond milk lattes will be stirred, not shaken. M will have to be renamed because “M” stands for toxic masculinity. Q will build sustainable gadgetry based on the principles of indigenous science. The theme song will be sung by Demi Lovato.
    
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    December 13, 2021 1:59pm
  - alloytoo
    
    It does appear a bit bizarre all Whovian hopes rest in the pen of a saintly gay man. (Saintly because of the 2005 Miracle)
    
    I personally recommend he utilize the Duffy Shower technique and have Capaldi regenerate into Rupert Grint (at last a red head!), relegating 13 to a regeneration fever dream and having 14 shudder at the memory.
    
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    December 13, 2021 2:45pm
Chuck Bird

Another reason why the police should be armed.

Man pulls gun on police, flees with woman

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-pulls-gun-on-police-flees-with-woman/Y5DKYRITDULWHOB2GGKUH7FS7Q/?&ref=topbox
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December 13, 2021 9:31am
- thirteenstars
  
  That’s no reason to regularly arm the police. They’ve always faced situations with firearms and have developed procedures to deal with them outside regular carrying of personal sidearms. Long may it continue.
  
  Hell, in today’s woke world, if the cops had fired on this crim they’d be accused of using excessive force which would do your argument more harm than good.
  
  And because the cops are so woke themselves, their probable rules of engagement would not have allowed them to open fire unless the perp had opened fire first, thereby sparking a car chase and shots being hurled around the city streets.
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:49am
- oldfella
  
  But, Chuck, we don’t need to arm our frontline police, according to our police commissioner.
  Hmmm, wonder when Coster last had a ride-a-long with the unarmed men and women actually facing these armed criminals?
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:15am
Yvette

It appears from my MY VACCINE PASS information I was vaccinated with two injections of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, being BNT162b2, with efficacy for the B.1.1.7 variant, which is commonly called Alpha. (information spelunked from Google)

So, considering whether Original Antigenic Sin (OAS) is a confirmed truth or not, have we all been vaccinated (those who have) with a Alpha suited vaccine, while we have since had Beta and Delta variations and now, eventually (but perhaps almost immediately) Omicron is on its way, and maybe outside BNT162b2 vaccine’s narrow scope?

The Government should be telling us. And when it happens, what will they propose New Zealand 11 years down to five year old children be vaccinated with?
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Original Antigenic Sin: the Downside of Immunological Memory and Implications for COVID-19
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mSphere.00056-21
The concept of original antigenic sin (OAS) was put forth many years ago to explain how humoral memory responses generated against one set of antigens can affect the nature of antibody responses elicited to challenge infections or vaccinations containing a similar but not identical array of antigens.
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December 13, 2021 9:40am
Maggie Pie

It’s exactly 8 years to the day we were Christmas Shopping on The Champs-Elysees.

What on earth has happened…. look at it today 🙁

https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1470089268454477834
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December 13, 2021 9:44am
- MCōs
  
  That clip is years old – about eight years.
  
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  December 13, 2021 5:54pm
I remember when

Ah. Headlines. Always representative of the story:
Stuff: Bakery enforcing traffic light system rules feels targeted by anti-mandate ‘fanatics.’:
The bakery has just appointed the Christchurch Wizard as a spiritual advisor.
(Masterly advertising stroke)
Meehan said part of the Wizard’s role being to cast out demons and fight (Meehan sounds Irish) fanatics of all kinds.
A barista at Empire Cafe, also in Riverside Market, said it was rare to see someone angry at staff over rules.
The GM of the Oxford Group, which runs Fat Edies, Original Sin and the Bog in Christchurch, said the odd customer presented a bit of aggression but they were few and far between.
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December 13, 2021 9:50am
- graham
  
  I’m sorry, what?
  
  The bakery has just appointed the Christchurch Wizard as a spiritual advisor.
  
  What on earth does a bakery need a (bleeped out) spiritual advisor for?
  
  This is madness.
  
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  December 13, 2021 12:51pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It may well be madness, but somehow Ian Brackenbury Channell has done OK out of his madness.
    
    Over his 23 years on the payroll, the council has paid him a total of $368,000.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/126624095/council-to-stop-paying-the-wizard-16000-a-year-after-23-years-on-the-payroll
    
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    December 13, 2021 5:58pm
MCōs

Tweet I saw today.
The cheek of it!

“landlord: the cost of rent has gone up

businesses: that’s a natural part of doing business

suppliers: the cost of materials has gone up

businesses: that’s a natural part of doing business

worker: the cost of my labour has gone up

businesses: listen here you little shit”
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December 13, 2021 10:07am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Good joke, Mcos.
  
  My employer freely acknowledges inflation & will be catering for it in our annual reviews. Because good staff are hard to find and keep.
  
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  December 13, 2021 7:50pm
Diogenes

Here is a challenge I would like to throw out to KB readers:
Can you nominate a government/ruler of any country that you consider to be: a) competent; b) genuinely concerned for the welfare of the people; c) non-coercive?
I don’t know enough about states such as Luxembourg and Monaco to comment. Willing to consider them, though I had in mind countries with a larger population/land area. I am struggling to think of any.
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December 13, 2021 10:09am
- Don Beckett
  
  Trump – he was great until the media sabotaged him with lies & conspiracies. Look who the yanks have got now?
  MAGA.
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  For competence (actually brilliance), concern for welfare of his people, I’d put Lee Hsien Loong.
  
  I’m sure some folks could point to some coercive tactics employed in Singapore during this pandemic and during anti-terrorist crackdowns.
  
  I’m also pretty impressed with Tsai Ing-wen who somehow manages to keep Taiwan ticking along whilst under the shadow of PRC.
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:37am
- mawm
  
  Probably the best at the moment is the Governor of Florida (I know it is a State) – Ron DeSantis.
  
  Best ever in my lifetime for concern for his country and its people and for honesty (something sorely missing in politics) – Ian Douglas Smith, WW2 fighter pilot, farmer and Prime Minister of Rhodesia.
  
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  December 13, 2021 1:57pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not too many responses at 7.50pm.
  
  Does that answer the question?
  
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  December 13, 2021 7:51pm
Lucia Maria

This Monday morning, Nick Mills on ZB Wellington show was unhappy that he didn’t have to show his V pass in retail over the weekend, so was wanting to know if everyone thought that hospo and retail ought to be treated the same, ie no pass no entry.

Should not have listened; most of the time the commentary is either inane, as if there is nothing much important going on, or so completely over the top and missing the point that it’s completely unbearable.

Anyway, the first caller to the show didn’t see the point of requiring the pass for retail, thank goodness. But Nick just wants “fairness”. If hospo has to do it then everyone should, according to his view. Guessing that he didn’t have a very good week in terms of customers since the traffic light system came in. Something about jabbed people not coming in groups if they have an unjabbed friend, causing a massive drop. But rather than discussing that, he wants the same draconian rules to apply to retail.

Listening to the transformation of Nick Mills over the last several months into a promoter of even more extreme enforcement of the incredibly dehumanising internal passport is a real study of people can turn into supporters of illiberal practices when they see those practices as their savior. Nick has grasped hold of the V as his savior and then the passport. The fact that the passport is not helping his situation eludes him completely.

So every once in a while, on Monday morning I brace myself and turn on the radio at 9am. Then turn it back off again.
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December 13, 2021 10:13am
- mandk
  
  Hi Lucia
  
  I’ve learned never to listen to Newstalk ZB on the radio from 9.00-12.00.
  
  That bloke Nick is a complete moron and dull with it.
  
  It’s slightly better listening to Kerre McIvor online.
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:54am
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Thanks, mandk.
    Might give Kerre a go, especially if I can change my alexia device to play Auckland instead of Wellington.
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:24am
  - lifesgood
    
    And never listen to Marcus Lush…what a woke fruit loop he is.
    
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    December 13, 2021 1:35pm
kevn

‘News’Hub has the usual 10 daily arden stories again today. Keeping the paymaster happy.
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December 13, 2021 10:24am
- alloytoo
  
  They’re all getting hammered in the MSN commenting system.
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:20am
  - Leofric
    
    Newshub has a commenting system?
    
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    December 13, 2021 2:04pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTk6q7B8TqM

Can Farmers Take Down the Indian Government: The Farmers Protests Explained – TLDR News.

The Indian Farmers Protest might sound like a pretty niche agricultural flare-up, but in reality, it’s one of the biggest protest movements in history. The protests include all kinds of people angry about myriad topics, meaning that Modi’s facing real opposition for one of the first times in his premiership. So in this video we explain how this started, what it all means for Modi’s government & if it will change the future of India.
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December 13, 2021 10:25am
curry4me

https://www.facebook.com/DitchDanAndrews/videos/561025488317196

Not quite the Melbourne Cup.

A send up of the Melbourne cup involving Dictator Dan.
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December 13, 2021 10:26am
Fletch

Dr Angelique Coetzee of the South African Medical Association doubles down on Omicron being mild. She was the one who discovered the variant. Most patients, vaxxed or unvaxxed, recover after 5 days with no hospitalization needed. It’s been four weeks now and they haven’t seen anything more worrying.

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1469998211863621636
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December 13, 2021 10:30am
- Albert_Ross
  
  It’s true of all the variants of covid that “most patients” recover from it without needing to be hospitalized. It is important to be as clear as possible as to what exactly “most” means, and what is the total that it’s “most” of.
  
  Thus, say variant A kills 10% of those infected but is not very infectious, so only 50,000 people catch it in total and 5,000 of them die. Whereas variant B kills 1% of those infected but it’s very infectious, so three million people catch it and 30,000 of them die. Variant B is clearly the larger public health problem despite being less “deadly”.
  
  Obviously, those numbers are made up and exaggerated to make the point. That point stands though – you can’t reach a policy conclusion based on only one metric. In the case of omicron, we don’t yet know enough about either metric.
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:15am
  - I remember when
    
    In the last month South African covid death totals have remained the lowest since their deaths first peaked at the start of June, 2020.
    So better than they have achieved at any stage of their vaccination programme.
    Successful?
    
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    December 13, 2021 2:23pm
  - alloytoo
    
    There’s considerable hospital data to suggest that Omicron is substantively milder. A far lower percentage in hospital are receiving O2 support and even fewer are on ventilation. As a percentage of infections, hospitalizations remain small, but are increasing in real terms as the virus takes over from Delta.
    
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    December 13, 2021 2:52pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    As of today there have been 6,283 unvaccinated cases and 10 deaths. So the Case Fatality Rate (CFR) for Delta on unvaccinated people continues to sit at 0.16% (but continues to slip down if measured at 3 decimal places).
    
    Incidentally the CFR for vaxxed people (1 & 2 shots) is 0.14%.
    
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    December 13, 2021 5:32pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Ardern will definitely be frowny face about this. What will be the just ification for maintaining pervasive control of population and and vast payouts to her mates once Covid stops being a threat?
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:28am
  - alloytoo
    
    This is, for her, an existential threat.
    
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    December 13, 2021 2:53pm
Maggie's partner

On the 12th day of Christmas my true love gave to me…
Twelve vaxine passes
Eleven MIQ spots
Ten booster jabbings
Nine helpful handouts
Eight covid variants
Seven ways to be kind
Six National leaders

Gi Zeee weddings

Four Maori seats
Three waters
Too much control
Alan Partridge in a pear tree
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December 13, 2021 10:39am
- MCōs
  
  Maggie Pie did what?
  
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  December 13, 2021 12:03pm
Nickc2

Cindy says Evidence will determine Traffic Light status, not the Christmas Break.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/the-evidence-will-determine-covid-traffic-light-settings-not-the-christmas-break-ardern/ar-AARK0Yz?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
Surely, this must be the first time ever the concept of Evidence-Based has been used in our Covid-19 debate and determinations. Up until now, such determinations have all been based on feelings and ‘Lust for Power’ IMO.
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December 13, 2021 10:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh rubbish..
  Whatever Traffic Light settings are announced today stay in place for at least 1 month.
  
  Cabinet today considers whether any regions will move to a different setting under the system and after that no more changes are planned until after the summer holiday period in mid-January.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/457774/pm-jacinda-ardern-on-covid-19-settings-we-want-to-take-it-carefully
  
  Looks like a very Public Service decision… nothing to do with “Evidence”.
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:23am
  - Nickc2
    
    Are you saying rubbish to me Maggy or are you referring to Cindy’s statement?
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:42am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh Grief,
      I’d never be rude to a fellow KB commenter.
      
      Definitely referring to Our Dear PM’s nonsense statement.
      
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      December 13, 2021 1:40pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Cheers!
        
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        December 13, 2021 1:44pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    How is it a medical based decision by these incompetent politicians?
    
    NZ is being locked down on political say so. Does the Bill of Rights go that far?
    Do we still have a Human Rights Commissioner or are they on furlough at Scott Base for the Christmas season?
    
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    December 13, 2021 4:10pm
  - NoFax
    
    So it’s one month at orange because Cindy and co go on holiday.
    
    There is never any urgency to improve the situation. Disgraceful.
    
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    December 13, 2021 6:12pm
alan

Thought I would post this from my old home town in the UK. What will Jacinda do?https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/19779670.boris-johnson-8pm-announcement-booster-jab-target-brought-forward/
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December 13, 2021 10:43am
Maggie Pie

Bit scary 🙁
My partner just got off speaking with a frend from the gun club.
He was telling him an ex cop he admires, Ross Meurant, is predicting it may not be long until gangs start deploying DRONES as their weapon of choice against each other.
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December 13, 2021 10:44am
- rangitoto
  
  MQ-1’s are quite good for this purpose.
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:13am
- Graeme Hall
  
  Are these the 1pm Drones on ZB?
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:29am
- Scooter
  
  Got off? Was that a gun in his pocket or just happy?
  
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  December 14, 2021 12:34am
Rich Prick

All I want for Christmas is for the Government to get out of my life.
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December 13, 2021 10:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I’ll be lucky to receive a partridge in a pear tree. 🙁
  
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  December 13, 2021 10:58am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I’m sure you’ll settle for a Red Head under the Mistletoe
    
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    December 13, 2021 11:39am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      She is taking me to the West Coast to meet her family 🙂
      
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      December 13, 2021 3:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Careful- could be a trap.
        
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        December 13, 2021 6:19pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Cue banjo music?
        
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        December 13, 2021 7:54pm
- Nickc2
  
  If you put out a glass of wine and a Fruit-Loaf, you could have Robertson coming down your chimney.
  
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  December 13, 2021 11:07am
  - alan
    
    Did you mean to say that?
    
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    December 13, 2021 4:08pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I’m going to go with – “you’ll need a big chimney” – and leave it at that
      
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      December 13, 2021 7:55pm
alloytoo

The Taliban have a few going begging for the right price.
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December 13, 2021 10:52am
Papalazarou

I made a comment to a friend about the joys of bypassing John (Hone) Hadfield’s roadblock when he takes his gin palace north to Bay of Islands:

“I was speaking to a friend yesterday who we normally run up the Coast in tandem with to the BOI.
He was told that the Navy are going to police the Coast and will stop us and ask to see our COVID passes.
How crazy is that ?
What a waste of time and tax payer money.”
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December 13, 2021 10:55am
- sooty
  
  How many boats do you think they could staff?
  I’m picking only one.
  So on inshore, one offshore!
  They will only catch one if they are fast enough!
  
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  December 13, 2021 1:23pm
- Bridgenag
  
  They might be useful checking out the squatters up there ….law suits or pay or….you are not here, we are……
  
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  December 13, 2021 2:33pm
Gravelroad

The Ashes test:
Yesterday on the radio, English cricket captain Joe Root said losing the first test match was a “wake up call” for his team.
What the heck does that mean?
What did they expect – they are all highly paid,professional players. It is their job to be awake already, isn’t it?
Most of these English cricketers will have been to Australia before and should know that it can be hot and that the playing conditions might not what they would prefer (slow over rates etc).
I have a report of a cricket tour match-
All England v Otago played February 2nd 1864.
One of my ancestors played in that game for Otago.
I wonder if the English players needed a wake up call when they got here after weeks and weeks rolling about in a sailing ship?
England won by 9 wickets with the match report describing the wicket as “disgraceful”.
Having said that, opening batsman, E.M Grace “hit freely for 24 and 26.”
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December 13, 2021 12:06pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yeah Gravel, I think they whinge a bit too much, but in saying that, they had one inter-team warm up. It isn’t ideal to be chucked into a test in Brisbane without have a couple of games to get acclimatised. Playing in NZ is similar to playing in England, but playing in Australia is a whole new ball game. Wickets, in general are quicker and bouncier and when it’s doing a bit, it does it faster. You have to get your hands up. The Poms looked way short of a gallop to me, but in saying this, their batting is seriously weak. Root and Stokes pretty much.
  
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  December 13, 2021 3:13pm
Yvette

Checkpoint stickers for Northland border run out a day early
Northland residents turned up in droves to the Waipu RSA on Sunday amid confusion about an initiative police planned to run.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/12/12/checkpoint-stickers-for-northland-border-sold-out-a-day-early/

Another news item which (far as I can read) doesn’t mention a basic point – whether unvaccinated people, living within the border, are allowed “out” and are cleared OK to re-enter the “gated” area.

The other point is: What the hell the stickers are: PACE CAR, slow the pace, share the space, with a silhouette of a runner, and another of a cyclist – so are they left overs from the Cycle Tour of Southland, or some other event needing car stickers for involved vehicles.

It goes, I guess, with some ICU unit areas, a bed being 1 million dollars, but employing Glad Wrap, and Sellotape in some curtaining.
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December 13, 2021 12:39pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  When Andy’s kids heard the Police were handing out ‘Free Stickers’…. they asked their dad to bring some home for them.
  
  Perhaps he may have grabbed a few too many.
  
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  December 13, 2021 12:53pm
  - Fletch
    
    Stickers and fridge magnets seem to have an intrinsic value in that you can’t throw them away – especially for kids.
    
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    December 13, 2021 2:08pm
JibberJabber

https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/long-read-have-jacinda-arderns-government-and-the-ministry-of-health-sought-to-restrict-public-knowledge-of-covid-vaccination-risks/

Clause 5.5 Purchaser Acknowledgement

Purchaser acknowledges that the Vaccine and materials related to the Vaccine, and their components and constituent materials are being rapidly developed due to the emergency circumstances of the COVID-19 pandemic
and will continue to be studied after provision of the Vaccine to Purchaser under this Agreement. Purchaser further acknowledges that the long-term effects and efficacy of the Vaccine are not currently known and that there
may be adverse effects of the Vaccine that are not currently known. Further, to the extent applicable, Purchaser acknowledges that the Product shall not be serialized.

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Thereby we can feel sure that from the outset our government was aware that the long-term adverse effects were unknown. Serialization involves the identification of vaccine batches for the purposes of tracking and research.
As a result our health service would not have been able to track any particular vaccine batches for efficacy and safety—severely hampering our capacity to research any defects in the delivered vaccine.

Curiously and crucially the Pfizer vaccine supply contracts we have seen do not contain any provision compelling Pfizer to continually update the receiving government on vaccine adverse effects as they come to light. This potentially left each government probably including ours ignorant of the overall tally and import of vaccine adverse effects worldwide. We shall see the effect of this shortly.
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December 13, 2021 1:01pm
Tomtoddy

Transmission Gully not opening till late January. What an absolute disgrace. Where is there any leadership?
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December 13, 2021 1:05pm
- Yvette
  
  Government delivery –
  … the Pike River Mine portal is now fully sealed … after 807m3 of foaming concrete was pumped into the void, along with 200m3 of gravel … [and] all remaining specialised underground mining equipment has left the site, en route back to Australia …
  
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  December 13, 2021 1:12pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It’s all the fault of the public-private partnership they say. In other words Labour hates private enterprise.
  If Steven Joyce was still there it would have been opened a year ago.
  
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  December 13, 2021 1:47pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Success in achievement is not high on this Govt’s list of priorities. In any other employment, Minister Michael Wood would have been ‘gone by lunchtime.
    
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    December 13, 2021 1:58pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    The left will probably blame Steven Joyce. They still blame John Key for many things.
    
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    December 13, 2021 3:57pm
- I remember when
  
  They want to be able to open Transmission Gully at the same time as the Peka Peka to Otaki Expressway.
  
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  December 13, 2021 1:55pm
Maggie Pie

JUST SAYING 🙁

Can you imagine what it must be like locked up in Pare and only allocated 3 squares of Toilet Paper a day?

No bidet… or even a toilet brush allowed in the cell.

My partner wouldn’t last a night in there.
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December 13, 2021 1:30pm
I remember when

“Greens call for imported animal feed to be phased out:”
Why stop there. Surely there are plenty of opportunities to ban foods people eat which have an environmental footprint.
What animals don’t vote and most of our voters live in urban electorates.
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December 13, 2021 1:50pm
I remember when

Surprised that the current Parliamentary session hasn’t been extended until the Covid levels have all turned Green.
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December 13, 2021 1:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Yes, a lot of people have died from covid.
Yes, many more will die.
Yes, I could be one of them.
But living in eternal fear of the above means I’ve already forfeited away my life, and therefore I’d be dead anyway.
Dan Bongino.
There was a video with this but I can not access it.
Had enough shit from the NZ commie Govt yet?
Live your life – fuck them.
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December 13, 2021 2:31pm
- cmm
  
  The average person has way less than a 1/5000 chance of dying from CV19. That’s an expected life loss of 85 year divided by 2000 which is 6 days.
  
  So here we are hiding under our beds for 2 years, missing out on 2 years of life, to try to gain less than 1 week of life.
  
  Is that a good deal?
  
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  December 13, 2021 5:25pm
graham

Chlöe Swarbrick STILL doesn’t get it.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/chl-e-swarbrick-says-jacinda-ardern-could-have-made-massive-difference-in-cannabis-referendum.html

Green Party MP Chlöe Swarbrick has expressed frustration that her efforts to get Kiwis to vote for cannabis legalisation weren’t backed up by the Prime Minister.

She said Ardern’s support could have made a “massive difference” – and it wouldn’t have taken much to flip the result, considering 48.4 percent of voters were in favour and 50.7 percent against.

Chlöe, Chlöe, Chlöe … please, TRY and understand. It really isn’t that difficult.

A majority of people voted AGAINST cannabis legalisation. You lost. I get that you’re upset by it, but this what happens in a democracy. You don’t always get the result you want. Live with it.

And if you feel that you needed Jacinda Ardern’s support to swing the vote, then maybe you should be asking yourself what’s so wrong with the legislation if it couldn’t stand on it’s own merits.

It’s called democracy, luv. Deal with it.
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December 13, 2021 2:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Off her tits, ‘Democracy’ is a swear word in the Green dictionary
  
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  December 13, 2021 5:02pm
Maggie Pie

LOOKING SOOOO GOOD!

When this photo popped up on Ma’s Instagram, she wondered if Hannah might have done what she did, …..and change the DOB on her vaxx pass by 20 years?

https://instagram.com/p/CWumVE_FE3j/
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December 13, 2021 2:55pm
Maggie Pie

Txt just in from my partner…

Word round the Viaduct is Bloomers strong reco Auckland move to ‘Orange’ from Wednesday.
Will Cindy ignore advice and listen to bought & paid for doom-mongers?
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December 13, 2021 3:53pm
- ecco
  
  Getting painful eh. Ardern still doesn’t want to relinquish any control for another 2 unneccessary weeks. She’s going to go down kicking and screaming. Everything’s now an announcement for something that’s happening minimum of 2 weeks away.
  
  Immeasurable unneccessary expense to the poor Auckland hospo, retail and accomodation businesses. Had to do something as National would be caning them in the polls with Luxon now there. The woman works at glacial speed at all times.
  
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  December 13, 2021 5:36pm
I remember when

Killing us slowly with “kindness.”
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December 13, 2021 4:24pm
Captain Mainwaring

Tragic that a 5 year old was allowed to go in the water on the most dangerous beach in New Zealand.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hawkes-bay/127261416/police-release-name-of-5yearold-boy-who-drowned-in-napier

And doubly tragic that the poor little mite was saddled with such a ridiculous name.
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December 13, 2021 4:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Steep stony beach. Warning signs were there 5 years ago
  
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  December 13, 2021 4:54pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I used to swim there regularly when I was a kid. Used to enjoy the washing machine effect. Mind you, I was older than 5.
    
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    December 13, 2021 8:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Do you think there may have been an unnecessary delay Captain when Emergency Services asked them to repeat the name?
  
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  December 13, 2021 5:11pm
- cmm
  
  Bloody sad business. It is ridiculous taking a 5 year old to a beach like that unless you practice very close supervision.
  
  I wonder what the coroner’s findings will be? Perhaps blame the council because the signs are all in English?
  
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  December 13, 2021 5:28pm
- lifesgood
  
  The parents must be insane to inflict that name on a child. Poor little fella.
  
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  December 13, 2021 7:11pm
Fletch

So, all the country can move to orange on December 30th, apart from Northland who have been naughty and don’t have a 90% vaccination rate. Let’s be honest – the percent vaccinated is an arbitrary number. Other countries who have higher vax rates such as Gibraltar and Portugal (over 100%) are still getting “cases”. So the vax rate makes no difference. We all know this.

It’s pure politics now. Nothing to do with health. She is penalizing the North for not making the arbitrary vaccination target she set.

A few comments from Northern people on Facebook under the 1 News story link saying that’s fine with them but they aren’t getting the “jabby” for her.
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December 13, 2021 5:10pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Have to say it’s getting to be funny. Compare Northland to BOP Maori vax “progress” and there’s bugger all difference for the two Maori populations. With a higher non Maori demographic weighting BOP ends up with higher overall vax rate, but the government doesn’t seem to be concerned about BOP Maori being at risk. There will be as many big city dwellers heading back to BOP marae as there will be to Northland.
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:52pm
Lee C

Pertinent question this: https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/long-read-have-jacinda-arderns-government-and-the-ministry-of-health-sought-to-restrict-public-knowledge-of-covid-vaccination-risks/?fbclid=IwAR2BiTCTuI9-b9c3LDm0B2dewf-tGOdRpwTRsjSjxRC1ml7gT3Wxj3mW3nw
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December 13, 2021 5:33pm
greybeard

Lewis Hamilton: what a spoilt, over-indulged arsehole.
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December 13, 2021 5:36pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Agreed. He was beaten to the championship by a better driver in an inferior car.
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:33pm
greybeard

“103 new community cases of Covid-19 today” they say.

What rubbish: today 103 cases have been identified ( somehow ), but there will be hundreds more people with the infection and they will never be identified. Maybe even thousands extra.
In many instances they will not even know they have it; in many other instances they will pass it off as a cold or sniffle and not bother any further.

The thought of many New Zealanders blithely believing that the daily reported cases are definitive and absolute is sad.

The government ( and I use that term loosely ) should only report those hospitalised or dead, with absolute proof of CV-19 infection being the cause.
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December 13, 2021 5:56pm
Inthe09

Oh dear, two mid 20’s very unhappy at our group fitness class this afternoon. “Two shots for what? What a bloody liar that lady is” etc etc. Something to do with a cancelled gig up North over New Years.

They were both painfully vocal in their previous worship of the PM. Quite the fall from grace it would seem.
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December 13, 2021 6:59pm
Maggie Pie

Anybody planning on spending their Xmas Holidays in Rotovagas?

LOL!!!
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December 13, 2021 7:36pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  That place is destroyed for a generation
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:01pm
- Fletch
  
  After the Aucklanders have visited it will be Ronavegas… ?
  
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  December 13, 2021 8:36pm
- Russ the Muss
  
  No. Levin sounds better these days…
  
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  December 13, 2021 9:10pm
Maggie Pie

And worth sharing before I head up to the bath…..

MISS INDIA crowned Miss Universe 2021.

CONGRATS!!!
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December 13, 2021 8:20pm
Russ the Muss

A mobster was ridimg his Harley on the sidewalk in town, a lone female cop stopped alongside him and asked him to jump on the road, he basically told her to fuck off and she drove off, whereby he rode off on the sidewalk pulling wheelies… ironically he wasn’t really riding that dangerously before that. Why the hell do we have lone cops in a car???? It was obviously too dangerous to jump out as he was a big dude, but two problems, one she just gave up and didn’t call for back up, and ignored him and 2, if she did feel like she wanted to enforce the law as she is paid to do, she was at major risk. Why do we allow solo at risk small people to try to enforce the law when they clearly cannot?
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December 13, 2021 9:09pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  You want an answer:
  ‘Cuddles’ Coster.
  
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