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The Labour attack dogs really have been let off the leash to have a go at Christopher Luxon. From being some religious zealot to a greedy landlord, the headlines are running amok.
I though in NZ we had a Human Right to religious belief without discrimination, so is this biased attack on Luxon a breach of his rights to a religious belief? – Maybe someone should put it to Jenna Lynch that she is being discriminatory and breaching Luxon’s rights to a religious belief. And see how she reacts.
And in regard to Luxon’s properties, I understand he owns his home (no crime), owns a bach (like thousands of kiwis & no crime), owns a flat in Wellington for MP duties when in parliament (saves renting and makes another rental available), owns his electorate office in Botany (saves screwing the tax-payer like Ginny Anderson in Hutt South). So, of the 7 properties he owns, 4 are either his home/bach or work related with 3 being rentals – Are the arseholes attacking Luxon really saying that we must never look to improve ourselves, and if we do, we must give it away. Maybe Jenna Lynch should ask Helen Clark how many properties she owns, and is she going to give them away to stop any possible ‘distortion’ of the housing market.
I’m pleased he has pushed back and hope he continues to do so, and vigorously. It is abundantly clear Labour are concerned about Luxon and attacking his religious beliefs and wealth is ‘low bar’ desperation at a time everything Labour touches turns to crap.
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December 2, 2021 8:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Remind me who has been Governing the country for the last four years when house prices have soared.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124521587/what-happened-after-jacinda-ardern-said-house-prices-cant-keep-skyrocketing
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:07am
  - Julie
    
    I laughed when I read that headline, it shows,
    1- How worried Labour are about Luxon and
    2- The quality and lack of intelligence of Stuffed journalist , they did not realise they were damaging the party they were setting out to defend!
    
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    December 2, 2021 8:17am
    - G152
      
      What would be interesting is for some-one with a page to examine every ‘reporter’ and classify each as to bias, honesty and history.
      I have a suspicion that we know how it would turn out
      
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      December 2, 2021 8:53am
      - sooty
        
        Someone should check the journalists property ownership records and publish them aswell!
        Might be interesting to see who owns more than a leather couch?
        
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        December 2, 2021 10:20am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      The most useless pack of lefty meat-heads in journalism surprised me by provoking a wave of indignation even from Stuff readers at their malignant utter stupidity. The tide seems to be turning.
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:57am
      - coge
        
        The overwhelming response to this latest Stuff article sees Stuff with egg on their face. Luxon is a successful guy, and those characterictics saw him become leader of National.
        
        The usual suspects of the rabid left, would prefer Luxon lived in a tent, dresssed in sackcloth. Raving endless victimhood and coming apocalypses. With fervent, yes steadfast, zeal of a dark ages priest.
        
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        December 2, 2021 11:49am
  - Ruahine
    
    It is all Christopher Luxon’s fault.
    
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    December 2, 2021 8:53am
  - Matt Long
    
    Properties in Whangarei increase in price by up to 85% in 3 years, must be Luxon’s fault https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/value-of-whangareis-property-almost-doubles-in-six-years-to-406-billion/RQAC5KBGX42G55SK43MHMWYLC4/
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:25am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Lol – expecting my next “Land” RV alone to be well north of CV not too long ago – got to luv all those from Tamaki Makaurau fleeing up this way!
      
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      December 2, 2021 12:53pm
- Raphael
  
  I though in NZ we had a Human Right to religious belief without discrimination
  
  have the messages from the Media and the Labour government over the last year not shown you that Human Rights are a pesky thing we can ignore when inconvenient?
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:19am
  - igm
    
    Raphael: No, discrimination protection will only apply to Islam!
    
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    December 2, 2021 8:33am
  - mandk
    
    In Aotearoa nowadays, religious belief without discrimination only applies to Muslims.
    
    If you are a Christian, the rules about hate speech don’t apply.
    
    Ditto, if you are Jewish.
    
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    December 2, 2021 8:54am
  - ldypen
    
    Didn’t you know that as far as the screaming leftists are concerned, to have religious rights & freedoms you must be a member of the “correct” religion/sect.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:02am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    The private beliefs and choices of people seeking political office ought to be explored like this, in my opinion. It’s not an infringement of his right to hold whatever religious beliefs he chooses. Voters shouldn’t attach a lot of weight to something like this but they are entitled to consider it.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:28am
    - Ehlana
      
      True, Nigel, but the media don’t seem to pay as much attention to the religious beliefs, or alternate worldviews, of the people who are the current government of the country.
      I’d like to know, for example, whether they believe that it is okay for people to own their own businesses, or houses, or employ others, or choose their own medical procedures, or schools for their children, etc. The answers are highly relevant, given that are in power now.
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:48am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Jenna’s desperately auditioning for the Newshub PE role as Tova’s replacement!
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:24am
  - Paulus
    
    Can anybody replace Tova ?
    Did she resign or !
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:54am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    David Seymour will be hoping she gets the job…
    
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    December 2, 2021 12:55pm
- F E Smith
  
  Yep, the Stuff front page is already telling me that his homes have increased in value by $4.3 million and that Shane Reti would have been a better leader. Add his faith into this and the media have lines of attack that won’t go away.
  
  Just wait until he names his cabinet and gets called racist and sexist, regardless of how it is composed.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:25am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    The Stuff front page doesn’t ever tell me anything FE. Since I don’t read stuff any more and haven’t for a long few years. Why read peoples opinions when all your mates have one (or 5!)?
    When I hear what Stuff are “reporting” from this blog, I just laugh. And remember that I told them when I cancelled that losing people like me from their readership was the reason their business is dying.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:12am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Kiwibloggers are some of the biggest patrons of “Stuffed” and “The Horrid” from what I can see. Why? Who knows. Something to complain about, I guess. They should just do what I did and stop consuming anything and everything that would be categorised as MSM.
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:42am
- RRM
  
  I think the point they are trying to score, is:
  
  P1: Luxon owns a lot of properties
  
  C1: Therefore, Luxon will never act to reduce property prices or even reduce the rate of value inflation.
  
  C2: Therefore, you cannot take him seriously on housing affordability.
  
  C3: Therefore, you should not vote for him.
  
  The way to counter this, is to point out how many houses government ministers own, so that anyone who is interested can see that they are just as tainted.
  
  (Like when the left screamed PANAMA PAPERS! JOHN KEY IS IMPLICATED! SECRET TRUSTS! And that went on until Key pointed out that the only sitting NZ MP with a blind trust in the Panama Papers was Green Party of Aotearoa darling “Mojo” Mathers. And then suddenly the Panama papers were old news…)
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:27am
  - RRM
    
    I guess that is the one upside of the media being so completely and obviously one with the left: their talking points are the same,so if you can come up with a response to one it’s the response to the other also..?
    
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    December 2, 2021 8:46am
    - SoloView
      
      @ RRM
      “The way to counter this, is to point out how many houses government ministers own, so that anyone who is interested can see that they are just as tainted”
      
      At the end of the Stuff article being referred to there is a conversation re MPs property ownership.
      
      It has also got this extract
      Parliament’s top property owners, as of July this year
      
      Christopher Luxon (National) – 7 properties
      Barbara Kuriger (National), Gerry Brownlee (National), David Bennett (National), Mark Mitchell (National), Penny Simmonds (National) – 6 properties
      Andrew Bayly (National) – 5 properties
      Ian McKelvie (National), Jacqui Dean (National), Scott Simpson (National), Shane Reti (National), Simon Bridges (National), Stuart Smith (National), Todd McClay (National), Willie Jackson (Labour), Jenny Salesa (Labour) – 4 properties
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:37am
      - Bob
        
        what that extract shows, is that National MP’s are clearly more provident in their spending patterns.
        After four years on grossly inflated salaries viz ability, I would expect most of the present government to own whole streets of houses; if they understood finance and economics.
        BUT listening to Mahutu and 3 waters debate I understand why they don’t own anything.
        
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        December 2, 2021 11:26am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        1News the other night referred to Ian McKelvie as the “richest man in Parliament”. You couldn’t meet a nicer bloke, and if he IS the richest man in Parliament, all power to him; he’s worked bloody hard for it.
        
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        December 2, 2021 12:59pm
  - amospicton
    
    The man gave up a $4m a year job in the private sector to become a backbencher on, what, $170k? That doesn’t suggest to me that money is his motivation.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:31am
    - Tricati
      
      So true – and the fact he actually has something to offer the country seems to go missing from the MSM, particularly when you compare him to the fish & chip wrapper.
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:49am
    - Bullion
      
      He’s doing well – he could never get out of bed for the rest of his life and at current property price increases his wealth will increase more than $4.5million/year.
      
      Hopefully his motivation as a politician is to bring house prices down.
      
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      December 2, 2021 4:24pm
  - Bullion
    
    Ms Mathers is one of several beneficiaries in a family trust in the UK which owns her grandmother’s home. Ms Mathers’ links to a trust has been noted in the Register of Pecuniary Interests. Neither her or the trust she is a beneficiary of are mentioned in the Panama Papers.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/05/apology-sought-over-keys-panama-papers-charity-claim.html
    
    Using google to check this stuff is easy.
    
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    December 2, 2021 2:50pm
- Simon
  
  MSM are ghouls but Luxon aint gonna do anything about it. He was on RNZ. Interviewed by smelly marxists. What is the point? Does Luxon think he can win over smelly marxists?
  
  National should just announce its policy that RNZ is subscription model only no more tax payer funding. Let the left fund RNZ out of their own pockets. Across the board end all the gubermint funds pumped into MSM. Instead Luxon / National perpetuates all this garbage. Luxon will refuse to fight or more likely cant fight.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:43am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You’ve made that accusation about Luxon not being a fighter several times Simon. Do you have any evidence to back it up?
    
    I would have thought a person wouldn’t rise to the roles Luxon did at Unilever and Air New Zealand, significant corporate enterprises, without having a significant level of courage and fight.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:40am
    - Simon
      
      Just watch and wait.
      
      The evidence to date is clear though. If you had a great business idea would you go into business with communist university students? Thats Luxon’s promise. Inclusivity.
      
      Its worse, they, the left, Labo, Greens hate his guts and he will not even acknowledge it. Luxon and his building teams aint gonna cut it.
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:24am
- curry4me
  
  Tricati: I’m sure if he said: ”
  “As of today, I’m an Athiest”; the religious attacks would stop. Ditto if he chose any religion except Christianity. I guess if he converted to Judiasm; that’d make him a “Zionist”.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:47am
  - RichardX
    
    Impeccable logic…at least for part of your comment.
    
    … if he said “As of today, I’m an Athiest”; the religious attacks would stop.
    If you give up religion, religious attacks should stop.
    
    You would need to provide evidence for the rest though as assertions without evidence mean nothing.
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:31am
    - curry4me
      
      RichardX: There are some Muslim MPs, and former MPs. One was a convert. No MSM mention of their religion being ‘problematical’. I wonder why?
      
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      December 2, 2021 4:03pm
      - RichardX
        
        Is that your evidence or your admission that you have none?
        
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        December 2, 2021 8:10pm
- peterwn
  
  I anticipated the media would be after him in less than 24 hours. Some of the media are whining that he is ‘evading’ their questions (translated – he is not letting them put words in his mouth).
  One of the major issues Chris and Nicola face is getting their message across in the face of a hostile media (think $55M). If I was in Chris’s shoes I would expect total loyalty from Caucus and if I do not receive it I would tell Caucus to find a new leader ASAP. Caucus also needs to establish support mechanisms so if any of its MP’s have concerns (eg employment issues with staffers) they have someone to turn to without embarrassment.
  National is going into the next election with an almighty big handicap weight on the saddle (or several hundred metres behind if trotting). The MP’s cannot afford to add to the weight on the saddle.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:51am
  - Paulus
    
    In think it was initially $50 million plus another $55 million.
    $105 million propaganda money.
    Looks as though the media need more money soon as they become more desperate.
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:57am
    - coge
      
      This is correct. There were two tax payer/printed money funded payments. According to the PM the media were “doing it hard”, yet no evidence was offered to support her claim. If things go south for Labour, there is little doubt more will be paid.
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:58am
    - miltonF
      
      You forgot the $millions in covid lockdown wage subsidies and $millions in covid/three waters advertisement payments…
      
      Payments from govt to media are probably
      more like $200 million +.
      
      The MSM are literally an arm of the govt. The fifth estate. I’m not being hyperbolic. They cannot survive even a single day without govt funding.
      
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      December 2, 2021 12:15pm
- Nukuleka
  
  Interestingly, I chatted last nightwith my sister, a fervent Ardern lover and Collins hater. ‘I like Luxon’ was her verdict. All based on nothing more than image. Great.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:01am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:22am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    He seems to be doing the Daddy figure pretty well. It’s going to prize some of the female airheads away from Jacinda. They think National now has an adult in charge and they are willing to join the family. Democracy in action isn’t pretty.
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:02am
  - curry4me
    
    Nukuleka: Yes, in politics, perception is reality.
    
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    December 2, 2021 4:04pm
- Chris R
  
  I expect that Mr Luxon’s family will regrettably be the next target for the amoral gang of haters known as the Mainstream media. They serve no purpose other than to foster envy, hatred and despair!
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:26am
  - Flossie
    
    I was pleased he didn’t present himself to the media on Tuesday afternoon whilst clutching his wife’s hand a-la Muller. Nice he mentioned his family in passing though.
    As this blog is often reminded, keep the families out of it. The politicians also should be keeping their families out of it…one in particular.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      One in particular. We have no idea who you may mean
      
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      December 2, 2021 2:51pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Tricati. We do not have human rights in New Zealand. This has been demonstrated by the governments vaccine mandates and their tacit encouragement of businesses excluding the unvaccinated in an effort to coerce people. If you have a right under the UN or the NZ bill of rights that is side stepped or usurped as soon as a citizen needs its protection you don’t actually have their protection. Once you have gotten away with it around one such right you have signalled the esteem with which you hold them all.
  It’s interesting that Ardern has changed message from excluding the unvaccinated from society to protect the community to protecting the unvaccinated. Maybe someone pointed out how logically flawed the former stance actually was. Pity all the businesses implementing their own illogical exclusions haven’t joined those dots.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:00am
  - ISeeRed
    
    This. We have human rights – until we need them. I feel utterly gutted and betrayed by my own country.
    
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    December 2, 2021 2:36pm
  - coge
    
    Human rights, (sadly shoved to the side under this Labour Govt) are just important to our health and well being as any vaccine. We’re at 90% vaccination now, and most of us wear masks now. Why are Labour still demanding more? Enough! Our rights must be restored immediately. This message needs to be sheeted home, unequivocally, to this Ardern Govt.
    
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    December 2, 2021 3:09pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      “…….and most of us wear masks now.”
      Why? you are not required to wear a mask under penalty of imprisonment or death. They don’t ‘do’ anything – Dr. Bloomfield told us so several months ago, although he has backtracked.
      Why? be cause wearing a mask is identifying you as a compliant serf who will do whatever you are told, and is a signal to our socialist overlords that it is okay to take the next (totalitarian) step.
      
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      December 2, 2021 6:11pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  When the Much woman asked Luxon about his religion her tone was if she was asking him about his membership of the Klu Klux Klan.
  
  I bet if he was a Muslim she wouldnt have asked.
  
  Christianity is regarded as an evil by the Godless Heathen Lefties.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:14am
  - curry4me
    
    lastmanstanding: Naild it! You can bet the farm, your Swanni, the ute, tractor, and dogs she wouldn’t dream of asking such a uestion.
    
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    December 2, 2021 4:07pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  I noted when the Much woman asked him about his religion her tone was as if she was asking him about his membership of the Klu Klux Klan.
  I bet if he was a Muslim she wouldnt have asked.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:16am
- ecco
  
  The sort of two faced approach that the blunt instrument of a ‘media’ we have in NZ employ all the time against any National leader. Is there no better material they could come up with.
  
  Has there ever been any scrutiny of work experience and track record of our politicians? Never, or else Ardern and Robertson would be pulling up a long way short. It’s Tova O’Brien type journalism. Of course aided and abetted by complying with the Ardern Media covid relief fund criteria.
  
  Personally I don’t know why the likes of Luxon put themselves forward for this crap. We are lucky to have them even getting out there. Look what the alternative is. Little Miss Cindy and her small minded, left wing, communist, world view being inflicted on NZ and doing long term damage to NZ.
  
  That PM gig, she has is just a stepping stone to her UN dream job. She didn’t even aspire to it originally. To cut a long story short I’ve told our kids to get out of NZ when they can. There’s no hope long term for NZ if the current crowd get re-elected.
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:11am
- Bob
  
  Lynch is another journalist who suffers from the ‘ENVY VIRUS’.
  She will get a lot further in the world if she asks successful people, whom she seems to resent, for some advice on motivation, education etc; as the Americans would say “how to lift herself by her own bootlaces’.
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:19am
- NZer In Exile
  
  If he owned 30 houses and was an a-hole to his tenants then there might be a case for criticism. Sounds like he’s pretty circumspect.
  
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  December 2, 2021 5:37pm
- Jim
  
  Lefty hypocrisy 101, is that the best the (self called) ‘free press’ can do lol.
  I’m sure this will only embolden Luxon to deliver a strong opposition party and demonstrate Labour’s economic ineptitude.
  The main thing that can go wrong for Luxon is National MPs (Collins et al) selfishly grinding their own axes behind his back.
  
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  December 3, 2021 6:49am
Tony Stuart

Is there any connection between a brothel in Nelson being listed as a location of interest, and two schools being closed because staff have tested positive for Covid?

Asking for a friend, of course…
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December 2, 2021 8:01am
- MCōs
  
  Let’s not beat around the bush.
  
  Maybe the teachers went to the brothel.
  Shock Horror
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:10am
  - RightNow
    
    Maybe some of them had second jobs…
    
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    December 2, 2021 8:37am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Blow, or hand?
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Both
        
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        December 2, 2021 2:54pm
  - westernScientest
    
    I do tend to agree, much better they attend the brothel than seek that gratification in the workplace!
    
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    December 2, 2021 8:39am
  - crikey
    
    Well, someone was beating around the bush MCos.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:50am
- sooty
  
  It is inconvenient that two vaccinated teachers, cause the school to close!
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:21am
  - bronny1
    
    They could get in some relievers surely? Oh no, wait, they already employed every vaxxed partly qualified teacher available.
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:09am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Not only inconvenient, it’s stupid. But it’s clearly going to take some time before everybody grasps that the objective now is not to try to prevent any cases of covid, it’s to try to prevent people from getting sick from covid.
    
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    December 2, 2021 1:28pm
- Aquataur
  
  Possible that one of the teachers was moonlighting in a 2nd job ?
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:07am
- krazykiwi
  
  Where is the greatest risk? Is it:-
  A) The teacher catching a STD from the hooker
  B) The hooker catching Marxism from the teacher
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:58am
Vory v zakone

Having a conversation with my daughter…

Her: Dad, why do people give up freedom for security?

Me: It’s called the Hegelian Dialectic, sweetie.

They create a problem. The problem creates a reaction. If there is enough fear and hysteria people will not only accept the solution that limits their rights but they will actually beg for it.
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December 2, 2021 8:01am
- Lance
  
  Very “V for Vengeance” movie plot.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:53am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    ‘I want this country to realize that we stand on the edge of oblivion. I want every man, woman and child to understand how close we are to chaos. I want everyone to remember why they need us!’
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:26am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    V for Vendetta?
    
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    December 2, 2021 2:42pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Soviet passport system. Compare and contrast (the latter is harder than you might think).
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgr9F3WFsbo
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:35am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  And did then everyone around you stand up and clap?!
  Lol conversations that never happened
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:46am
- bronny1
  
  How old is your daughter? Great that she asks questions like that!
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:10am
Maggy Wassilieff

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/12/climate-change-minister-james-shaw-skipped-covid-19-managed-isolation-miq-and-joined-self-isolation-trial.html
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December 2, 2021 8:01am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What about all his hangers-on? Did they skip MIQ as well?
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:06am
  - sooty
    
    Is James Off Shaw, home from his jolly?
    Or are they just preparing for his arrival!
    
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    December 2, 2021 8:24am
    - Frank the tank
      
      C’mon soot he’s busily polishing the magic beans he purchased and looking forward to regaling Brenda with stories about Prince Chuck and his Aston that runs on potatos.
      
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      December 2, 2021 8:54am
  - Dr John
    
    Is it true that James Shaw travelled all that way with a significant number of hangers-on to give a 3 minute speech?
    I seem to recall a media report saying his speech was of 3 minutes.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:26am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Not only was it 3 minutes but nobody was listening to it.
      What a complete waste of space that deluded prick is.
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:33am
    - Flossie
      
      Was just going to add similar comment Captain. Audience numbers similar to Ms Ardern addressing the UN?
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:40am
    - pdm
      
      14 hangers on as I recall.
      
      That is some entourage for a Minister Outside Of Cabinet.
      
      Mahuta as a Senior Minister must have had 30 or 40 – no mention of those.
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:29am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Newshub headline 14 September 2021: “Jacinda Ardern pours cold water on James Shaw self-isolating on return from international climate conference”
  
  Newshub headline 1 December 2021: “Climate Change Minister James Shaw skipped COVID managed isolation MIQ and joined self-isolation trial”
  
  One of these things is not like the other. Three cheers for James Shaw; hyp, hyp, hypocrisy!
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:30am
  - peterwn
    
    George Orwell had this sort of thing nailed years ago – “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”.
    Jacinda – reminds me of Squealer trying to do Napoleon’s job.
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:28am
  - Tricati
    
    Tony its called bullshit & Ardern is full of it.
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:51am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Someone already said it today but some animals are more equal than others.
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:52am
- westernScientest
  
  haha I wonder if it is going to be like to cuomo self isolation, where he pretends to be in his basement, but then goes out and tries to beat up a bicycle rider.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:36am
- Master Mariner
  
  ” Jimmy jump the (MI) Que” through the Pilot self isolation scheme.
  Absolute Joke.
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:39pm
  - sooty
    
    Jimmy jumping beans!
    
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    December 2, 2021 3:39pm
Prince

Despicable attacks on National continue from the corrupt, Govt-funded media.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127154254/christopher-luxons-property-gains-soar-as-national-promises-to-tackle-housing-crisis
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December 2, 2021 8:03am
- Yabster
  
  yep stuff are patheic- post this (they won’t post it).
  
  well done Chris -being successful -what a crime -Stuff you are earning your socialist government paid money aren’t you- no doubt this won’t get posted- why do yo think you’re struggling to make any money and resort to begging for donations- you are not a balanced media organisation- the NZ public are waking up- when National/ACT are the government I hope they stop the media bribes and the media goes back to at least appearing to be balanced -or goes out of business…-Wheres the front page headline of comrade Arderns (the champagne socialst) Net worth?? No? Prefer wedding stories huh?
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:50am
  - Philview
    
    I put a comment on Stuff yesterday mentioning that Jacinda is the former leader of the International Union of Socialist Youth. My comment lasted about 30 minutes before the moderator removed it. This tells me that there is a 2nd vetting of comments by someone ideologically aligned to Labour so that discussion of uncomfortable truths are removed.
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:04am
    - Batman
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Did you actually contribute anything to the discussion and what else did the comment say?
      
      Sounds like a bit of a tailored story going on here…
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:18am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You are a naughty boy and must not mention that Jaspinda was the PRESIDENT of the International Socialist Youth, elected 2008.
      We do not want the truth flying around – go stand in the corner and have a sook. /////
      
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      December 2, 2021 3:09pm
- Thought Criminal
  
  If it goes up under Luxton, “it’ll be because he wants it to.”
  
  It HAS gone up under Jacinda because of incompetence? Ignorance? Ideology?
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:55am
Dead Earnest

Well, the Propaganda wing of the Labour Party didn’t take long to bring out the knives.
Stuff’s headline: “Christopher Luxon’s property gains soar as National promises to tackle housing crisis”.
$50 Million of taxpayer’s money to the MSM is now being used to grease the wheels of the Politics of Envy.
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December 2, 2021 8:04am
- fisho
  
  He should’ve said “Yes, I’d like to take this opportunity to thank Jacinda and the Labour party for enabling this. I wouldn’t have seen anywhere near this increase if National was in power”.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:56am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    This is the impediment to solving the problem: there is no political will whatsoever to make housing more affordable (i.e. lower the prices), because they all have a conflict of interest in doing so.
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:56am
  - Matt Long
    
    Have property values moved up or have Labour seriously debased the Kiwi Dollar? Maybe ask renters who face large cost of living increases who they should have voted for.
    
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    December 2, 2021 1:20pm
- cmm
  
  How much have Auntie Helen’s properties gone up by I wonder?
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Irrelevant, she is renting them to the needy
    
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    December 2, 2021 3:13pm
    - sooty
      
      Yer, right!
      
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      December 2, 2021 3:40pm
- artemisia
  
  Well fancy that, property prices rise under 4 years of a Labour government.
  
  Plenty of asset owners are well aware that they do very well under a Labour government. Small businesses recently, not so much.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:11am
  - sooty
    
    Sir Bob Jones, says they are the best thing since sliced bread, for his bank balance!
    
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    December 2, 2021 3:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“This work was strictly voluntary, but any animal who absented himself from it would have his rations reduced by half.”

On Tuesday Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern went a step further, saying not only will there be no forced vaccinations, but those who choose to opt-out won’t face any penalties at all.

“No, and we haven’t for any vaccination in New Zealand applied penalties in that way,” Ardern told The AM Show, after being asked if there might be tax penalties or other sanctions for refusing a COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-confident-enough-kiwis-will-get-covid-19-vaccine-for-herd-immunity-without-being-forced-to.html
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December 2, 2021 8:04am
- Scott
  
  Maggy – my youngest son, aged 21, got his second shot on Tuesday. He thought he wouldn’t be feeling well on Wednesday and sure enough not feeling good on Wednesday. So took the day off from work. We thought he would be good this morning. But he feels like crap this morning. Headache, dizzy, feeling gross. So I’ve said to him text me if you get worse and we will take you to the doctor.
  
  But here is the thing. A healthy young man, has to have the second shot, has been sick for two days and counting. What if he has a more severe reaction? It doesn’t seem right to me that people are forced to do this. If he didn’t have a second shot he couldn’t have gone to Lone Star for his birthday, couldn’t go to McDonald’s for lunch, couldn’t get a haircut. Couldn’t even go to an Anglican church from this Sunday.
  
  That’s not really freedom of choice is it? Some people seem happy with this. But I have to be honest. I think it’s piss poor.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:19am
  - RightNow
    
    Keep a close eye on him Scott.
    I’d just seen a post last night on Chantelle Baker’s Facebook page about this guy, he died 12 days after his 2nd jab.
    In an interview with his fiance she said in the hour before his death he’d been googling about heart issues from the vaccine. She was about to take him to the hospital but he collapsed in the toilet when they were getting ready to go…
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-coroner-investigating-whether-dunedin-mans-death-connected-to-vaccine-days-earlier/J7UKEB52KDBWZARGJ2R76HKWTQ/
    
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    December 2, 2021 8:47am
    - RightNow
      
      oops – actually was 12 days after his 1st jab
      
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      December 2, 2021 8:55am
    - Stephen Russell
      
      I’d be careful about jumping to conclusions here. About 150,000 people die every day in the world, for reasons that have nothing to do with Covid or vaccinations. It is inevitable that some of those 150,000 will have just had a jab.
      
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      December 2, 2021 9:31am
      - RightNow
        
        While those stats may be correct (i.e. I’m not doubting you) the video interview with the fiance is going to make this one difficult to brush off as coincidental.
        But you make me question how many of the reported 5+ million deaths attributed to Covid were also just coincidental?
        
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        December 2, 2021 9:42am
      - Fletch
        
        Uhuh. Very coincidental. It looks like he was a healthy 26 year old. From the story Ashleigh posted on her Facebook page –
        
        Rory regretfully had his first ‘v’ on the morning of the 5th of November. He started feeling heart flutters that evening, we put this down to stress as we were in the process of selling and buying a house and planning a wedding.
        
        We never, ever considered the events that followed.
        
        Rory had heart palpitations regularly at night, and again, we thought this was stress. 12 days later, Rory was up and down again during the night with his heart palpitations and an ‘uncomfortable’ feeling in his chest. We finally decided to head to hospital at 3am for reassurance.
        
        Within moments, Rory went into cardiac arrest and died instantly in our home.
        After 40 minutes of attempts/ CPR from the paramedics, he was pronounced dead.
        
        He was 26 years old, with no pre-existing medical conditions. He played rugby, went diving and hunting on the weekends, worked hard as a plumber, and had his whole life ahead of him.
        
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        December 2, 2021 10:02am
      - Batman
        
        People die from undiagnosed conditions all the time. He most likely had an undiagnosed heart condition or hole which had nothing to do with receiving the vaccine.
        
        Making hay out of this poor man’s death is irresponsible but that’s par for the course these days sadly.
        
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        December 2, 2021 11:02am
      - Matt Long
        
        UND non of zese people vill haf died of ze vaccine.
        
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        December 2, 2021 10:38am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It’s a pity they didn’t apply the same logic when someone died “with” covid.
        Nobody is jumping to conclusions. We know correlation is not causation, but it’s becoming impossible to ignore the millions of adverse reactions around the world and tens of thousands of deaths. These are only among the reported incidents, this is estimated to be only between 1 and 10% of actual instances.
        Bury your head in the sand, many people are trying to do that. It is becoming impossible to ignore the reality.
        2 English Premier league matches had to be stopped today due to “medical incidents” in the crowd. 3 players collapsed with heart problems in the last week. All a coincidence of course.
        
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        December 2, 2021 3:15pm
    - RichardX
      
      Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy but some people still treat it as valid reasoning when they don’t have actual facts to support their conclusion.
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:58am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Do you realise how omicron your statement is?
        You can’t apply that logic to the vaccine damage without also applying it to covid “deaths”.
        When you try that then the whole covid narrative disintegrates – as it should.
        
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        December 2, 2021 3:24pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Amazing how quickly the principle of informed consent was replaced with the principle of coerced compliance.
    
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    December 2, 2021 8:54am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Clause 1 of the Nuremberg code on medical experimentation:
      The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
      
      Governments and medical industrial complex have taken a big steaming dump on this in the last year.
      
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      December 2, 2021 9:27am
  - mandk
    
    I think you should take him to the doctor, regardless.
    
    There are too many stories about young men being seriously damaged by the jab.
    
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    December 2, 2021 8:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The son-out-law was pretty sick for a couple of days after his 2nd vax (in his 30s )- daughter was fine.
    
    I’m only 3 days on from 2nd vax – and will be keeping an eye out for any dodgy symptoms…( I had pericarditis about 20 years ago.)
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:19am
    - Zapper
      
      I am into my second week of Shingles which is very rare for someone my age who is fit and healthy, as I am. My third day of extreme fatigue and pain I googled Covid vaccine + Shingles. It seems there are a lot of cases post-vaccine and some journal articles suggesting there COULD be a link and more investigation is required. I highly doubt Covid would have had as much impact on me as Shingles has had
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:41am
      - bronny1
        
        I’m pretty sure shingles was listed by another name on the original list of side effects presented by pfizer
        
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        December 2, 2021 11:20am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep, there have been reports of other folks in NZ getting shingles after their Covid vax.
        
        https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-11.asp
        
        You should report it.
        
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        December 2, 2021 11:59am
    - cmm
      
      It is looking increasingly like the sickness level from Omicron is, generally, very mild.
      
      It’s going to be hard to sell the vaccination if it turns out that the sickness from the jab is worse than the sickness from the virus.
      
      Especially since:
      * The jab is looking increasingly less effective against Omicron.
      * The jab only provides one defence strategy (attacking the spike protein) which is why it has less effect on mutations, while natural immunity provides multiple defences and hence is harder to side step.
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  But Ardern doesn’t tolerate status green.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:33am
  - Paulus
    
    Bet Ardern does not like anything but Red, but it should make her very happy that the Waitangi Day at Waitangi will not go ahead, as she would and will be ridiculed severely there if it had gone ahead, rather as she is now in many places she visits – except Kindys of course.
    
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    December 2, 2021 1:30pm
Dougal10

Can someone smarter than me explain how this makes any sense . When my kids mother gets them vaccinated before school goes back next year my 11 year old after 2 shots will only have had 2/3 of the active ingredient than her 12 year old brother will get in one shot and after his second he will have had 3 times the dose.
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December 2, 2021 8:04am
- emmess
  
  No, but I am sure someone dumber than you can.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:39am
- cmm
  
  And it is looking more and more likely that all those vaxxes will be close to useless against Omicron.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:08am
  - alloytoo
    
    Luckily Omnicron looks to be substantively less dangerous, even if it is more transmissible.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:13am
    - amospicton
      
      Which means alloy that it’s potentially the solution. Bring it in! It replaces delta and has only mild symptoms. Problem solved. Let’s get on with dealing with homelessness, inequality, racial division, housing, education, gangs, etc, etc. Or do the govt decide to keep talking case numbers, fearmonger and divide?
      
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      December 2, 2021 9:38am
    - Sacha
      
      In other words, covid19 is evolving into a ‘cold’.
      If I should catch it, I will be immune, and over it in a couple of days.
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:39am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        But you will not know you are immune – antibody tests banned. Why is that???????
        
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        December 2, 2021 3:23pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  easy; Big Pharma makes a few 10’s of dollars for every subject that takes the vaccine, so regardless of the utility to the subject (near zero for healthy kids, with likely more risk from the vaccine than benefit) they are using all the influence and other quasi-legal tools of persuasion (paying people and organisations to parrot their lines) to get governments to coerce as many warm bodies as possible into taking it and the endless succession of booster shots they have planned. Sound evidence based medicine is taking a back seat to big pharma profit, and is even being actively suppressed by medical institutions trying to preserve their Big Pharma funding if many doctors and researchers are to be believed. Potential collateral damage is being rationalised or ignored by people seeking that profit.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:40am
  - Batman
    
    Mate you sound like a lefty with that big pharma chat!
    
    There is no endless series of boosters “planned”. Currently only one is planned or needed and there’s no firm evidence yet whether further ones will be needed or not.
    
    If they aren’t needed, Governments won’t be shelling out for them.
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:35am
    - Sacha
      
      I suspect that Government will be taking Pfizer’s advice before deciding, Batman.
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:40am
      - Batman
        
        More likely they’ll look at the advice from multiple health agencies in addition to any data provided by the producers.
        
        Hence why the 5-11 age group is taking so long as medsafe runs through its process which it refuses to change.
        
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        December 2, 2021 11:07am
    - bronny1
      
      I bet there is by Pfizer. They just have t shared the plan with us. Israel is already discussing jab 4.
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:22am
      - Batman
        
        We will see. Any other claims are pointless speculation at this point, especially when it’s coming from laypersons like ourselves!
        
        The only reliable answer is that we don’t know yet as it’s an evolving situation.
        
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        December 2, 2021 11:33am
    - oldfella
      
      I’d like to know what happens if I get a booster in Jan. Will it extend my vaccine certificate which currently expires in June? And by how much? Maybe my certificate will be good for life? (Yeah, nah.)
      So many questions…
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:49am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You’re being omicron again Batman.
      Sajid Javid, UK Health Minister pushing boosters every 3 months. NZ won’t follow of course, that’s obviously a conspiracy theory. Three weeks to flatten the curve and no coercion to get the jab. We’ll be your single source of truth. She’s so kind! In a Machiavellian, Cruella de Ville sort of way!
      
      https://www.bitchute.com/video/X5KXNFQ8SPYG/
      
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      December 2, 2021 4:17pm
Flossie

Our family was planning a pretty large gathering at a restaurant at the weekend but we have cancelled it. We have a grandchild aged 12 who is not yet vaccinated and is not able attend the venue. Never mind. One of our lot decided to host at their home. I can see this happening quite a lot from here on.
Sorry to the restaurant…. they are only following the rules.
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December 2, 2021 8:04am
- All_on_Red
  
  Yes, you have to feel for the Restaurant, who has to act this way because they are afraid of the Government.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:34am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Don’t let a needle get anywhere near your 12 y/o grandchild, Flossie.
    It does nothing for them, except possibly injure or kill them.
    44% increase in deaths of 18 year olds in the UK after having the vaccine.
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:48am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      More evidence of the nonsense we are being subjected to. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext?s=08#%20
      
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      December 2, 2021 5:01pm
- Inandout
  
  Flossie, quiet action like yours will eventually get the restaurants off their bums. We have a big house and big outside entertaining area which will be used for gatherings such as you outline. Most decent homes have BBQs, ovens, outside seating etc; or just order in if you can’t be bothered cooking.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:20am
- jgw739
  
  If you are in a red zone, you have to have less than 26 people even at home – otherwise you will have to use Vaccine Passes.
  
  Apparently having Christmas with your extended family can be a criminal act these days.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:20am
  - Ehlana
    
    In the Red zone, up to 100 people are allowed at your home party if you use the vaccine pass; 25 without. I suggest:
    
    1. Have a dress up party. Every one to come as a member of their favourite “club”. Or you could design your own patches, like matching family pajamas at Christmas. You could probably do “club” bandanas or t-shirts instead of leather jackets – it’s a bit warm for those.
    
    2. Invite the neighb0urs. Or at least send them round a healthy helping of BBQ goodies.
    
    Should get around any number limits…
    
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    December 2, 2021 1:24pm
    - sooty
      
      Or just dress up as labour party members.
      
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      December 2, 2021 3:46pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Sorry for the restaurant, but “befehl ist befehl” wasn’t an appropriate reason for complying with tyranny 80 years ago and it isn’t appropriate now.
  You cannot comply your way out of this.
  
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  December 2, 2021 4:21pm
Truman lodge

Has anyone noticed an increase in club activity lately? What surprises me is the increase in gun violence involving the clubs. I’m confused because we all had to hand in our guns, or rather get paid to hand them in. Did the clubs not comply?
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December 2, 2021 8:06am
- westernScientest
  
  The amount they seem to have now its almost like the guns were going in the front of the building and out the back…
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:43am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  No
  
  Do you have another question?
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:10am
Yvette

International journalists are stopped in their tracks, and here in Aotearoa New Zealand (especially because of the ‘Aotearoa’ bit), Tova and Jessica, even Jacinda and Ashley, are shitting bricks as the new Mate-korona-o-taumatawhakatangihangakoauauo-tamateaturipukakapiki Covid variant has been identified as originating between Pōangahau and Herbertville on the North Island lower east coast
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December 2, 2021 8:06am
- Mike
  
  Genuine LOL
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:54am
Maggie Pie

Jealous if true….

https://twitter.com/DonaldC96503353/status/1465921534879363073
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December 2, 2021 8:06am
- Hollyfield
  
  The funniest comment on that thread is “Labour trolls are just mad that Luxon owns more houses than Labour has built this term.”
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:16am
- bronny1
  
  Given his $4m private sector salary he used to earn, I’d be surprised if he didn’t own some assets. You know, for when he took a charity job for $170k pa
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:25am
westernScientest

Labour cause massive increase in the cost of housing though irresponsible fiscal and monetary policy over the last 4 years. Nationals leader of less than 48 hours to blame.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127154254/christopher-luxons-property-gains-soar-as-national-promises-to-tackle-housing-crisis
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December 2, 2021 8:10am
Paulus

One day as new Leader and the feminist lapdogs are going at Luxon.
Sad but typical of what we see and continue to see for the so called media.
I heard some University professor ( not Waikato but Auckland) this morning obviously chosen for her anti male stance particularly in the recent elevation.
I have/had never heard of her so she must have been specifically sought to voice her anti male sentiments.
And we pay these people big money for some cushy numbers.
Why do you think that we have the worse and most incompetent Government in living memory – even worse than Muldoon, and that takes some doing.
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December 2, 2021 8:12am
Maggy Wassilieff

Perhaps the National Folk who own a few properties could point out that someone has to provide accommodation for the folks who have had to flee from or are to scared to live near the unruly and abusive tenants in state-owned houses.
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December 2, 2021 8:13am
artemisia

So Wellington, sorry Poneke, City Council is closing almost all of its ratepayer funded facilities to the unvaxxed. Because we are orange. Fortunately all will be permitted to use public toilets. Sorry, that’s pretty much it for anything indoors. Cemeteries are OK, but outside only.

Libraries, service centres, pools, sorry,

Interested to know how many other local authorities are doing the same.

The Council has, they say, received government guidance and consulted staff. Since official MoH guidelines say at orange public facilities are open with capacity limits based on 1-metre distancing, we can suppose that timid staff consultation was the deciding factor. Or that ‘government guidance’ is different from MoH guidelines.

Since Wellington has no known community transmission, we must assume that an influx of fully vaccinated good folk from Auckland are any day now expected to flood our libraries and cemetery chapels and overwhelm our hospitals.

While at traffic light green public facilities will be open to all provided they step back from the vax pass. Will the frightened council staff allow this? Can councils close their public facilities for the foreseeable based on scared staff feedback, since Wellington and other orange areas already meet the green requirements. (Did I mention ratepayer funded?)

Perhaps councils could provide beds for the staff to hide under.
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December 2, 2021 8:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It will get worse. Expect unvaccinated 5 year olds to be excluded from such facilities come March.
  
  I forsee social unrest. Because many vaccinated parents will refuse to vaccinate their young kids. I would be surprised if rates exceed 60 percent.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:09am
  - alloytoo
    
    Statistically the odds of an adverse reaction to the vaccine are are worse than the odds of a serious case of Covid for these kids (assuming no co-morbidities).
    
    A real infection would be less dangerous and confer better immunity.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:23am
    - sooty
      
      Aucland provided a table for it’s Mayor to romp around on!
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:32am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Lets hope Omicron renders kid vaccination moot given it seems both more transmissible and milder it will be unstoppable in its spread and create pervasive natural immunity.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:45am
- bronny1
  
  Same in chch. I’ve applied for a rates rebate – not that I ever used their facilities other than the local reserve for toileting the dog.
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:28am
- Weetbix3ways
  
  Timaru CC is doing the same. Safe today, but not tomorrow.
  Gonna be a lot of books checked out of the library today. 😉
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:37pm
- peterwn
  
  And there will not be so many public toilets either – the ones on the Manners/ Dixon Streets apex are going to be demolished.
  
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  December 2, 2021 2:26pm
Nickc2

I don’t know if many KBers noticed the media reporting (NZ voice-over) on the Solomon Islands last night, but TV1 described the problem as being between those from different Islands, which it is not. The riots are due to their Govt switching loyalties from Taiwan to China.
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December 2, 2021 8:16am
- westernScientest
  
  and we are doing china’s dirty work
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300467661/solomon-islands-unrest-defence-force-police-to-deploy-for-weekslong-mission
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:46am
  - Nickc2
    
    Our Police and Defence Forces are already stretched with Covid MIQ and Roadblock duties, not to mention armed Gang activities throughout the country.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:52am
- curry4me
  
  Nickc2: Yes, $100,000,000 buys a lot of loyalty.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:00am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes, First come Fishing rights, then a large wharf and repair facilities for China’s Fishing fleet (but suitable for CCP Aircraft Carriers and their Battle Groups), then an Airport upgrade and Repair facilities for etc, etc.
    How many Islands in the Solomons can be joined together/enlarged for future ………
    No wonder Aust is very concerned and we should be too, but are we? At the moment, we’re more interested in destroying ourselves and our infrastructure (He Puapua).
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:33am
Maggie Pie

OMG!!

Plonker from The Tron, horrified to learn Nat leader Christopher Luxon….. “doesn’t even have a mortgage!”

https://twitter.com/matthewjpb/status/1465932147856867329

Wonder if there’s ANYONE out there interested in his leadership qualities and ability to run the country?
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December 2, 2021 8:17am
- I remember when
  
  So he seems to know how to save money.
  What possible use would that be in government.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:59am
  - Mark
    
    I would venture I could save a bit on $4mill year.
    
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    December 2, 2021 5:09pm
- peterwn
  
  This is something that probably did not occur to Chris. As soon as he had political thoughts he should have quietly sold down his residential property portfolio and invested it in commercial property. If asked he could say that it is his superannuation fund. Commercial landlords do not cop the stigma that residential landlords do.
  As far as I am concerned, anyone aspiring to be a National MP should already have financial independence (or be close to it) and should not be dependent on sinecures when leaving politics.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:00am
- cmm
  
  After the last four years of massively increasing debt, debt is seen as a good thing.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:11am
- Rich Prick
  
  I don’t have a home loan either, by their logic, that must make me really bad at my job. I know, the leftie media are counter-intuitive at the best of times.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:57am
  - bronny1
    
    Me either. In fact I bought my house for cash. Best I never have any political aspirations!
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:30am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I love the comment to the guy saying “I take it that you are not all that bright?”
  Savage burn as my daughter would say.
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:02am
Yvette

Two further 3 Waters questions for Ms Mahuta –

1 – If shit flows over Auckland’s beaches (as it often does, and like for some: currently) and a water main explodes in Wellington (and they often do that) who will fix them – a branch of a 1960s [1] style Ministry of Works, “to avoid a single private operator” and “to have economy of scale”?

2 – And regarding the 4th Water (of Dr Mike Joy’s claims for purity of water sources), if Māori are so very connected to the environment, what will the new Government department Taumata Arowai which came fully into existence about two weeks ago, do under 3 Waters, and how much of Mahuta’s argument does this unheralded entity actually replace?
See – https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz (which is already Maorificated enough to out-do the cultural misappropriations of the Climate Change Commission – scientifically challenged at present by a group of 300 New Zealand lawyers).
So what will Maori general 3 Waters governance, with veto rights do to this new Maorificated Taumata Arowai entity? Dissolve it?

Sorry, that’s really four questions in total. (But Government does that all the time – raise more questions than a year-long Working Committee can answer)

[1] I say 1960’s because about then I was greatly attracted to a young person, with romantic intent, but was as greatly concerned to learn their father was “high up in the Ministry”, and agonised somewhat for sometime, until it eventuated that it was the Ministry of Works.
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December 2, 2021 8:23am
- nathie
  
  Another “3 Waters” question, why didn’t the Labour Govt be consistent (with their revisionist Maori re-naming agenda) and name their plan “Toru Wai”?
  
  Could it be because an obvious Maori name would draw public attention to their revisionist agenda?
  
  But Maori is an official language, so being “consistent” (using “Toru Wai”) would be deemed “acceptable” (nowadays), so one conclusion from this is that Labour is racist!
  
  (Betcha if the MSM asked this question, the likes of the Maori Party would agree that Labour are being “racist” …. so don’t expect the team of $55 Million to be asking)!
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:49am
  - Yvette
    
    Nathie – please do look at https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz and see that most of your comments are already accommodated.
    (I do wonder what the Maori is for quod erat demonstrandum)
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:24am
Benedict Yu

My vaccine pass keeps removing itself from my phone. The icon just vanishes. I gave up and took a screen shot and stored it in a photos album.

I’m tech savy and if this is me, how is Aunty Edna in Whanganui going to deal with this come Friday? It is going to be fun to watch. 🙂
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December 2, 2021 8:27am
- Flossie
  
  Your post prompted me to check mine, and sure enough it’s gone. As I’m about as tech savvy as Aunty Edna, what shall I do?
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:33am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Open up the PDF and take a screen shot. You can make it the lock screen for your phone.
    
    If you still can’t do it let me know and I’ll provide more detailed advice later. Am tied up this morning.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:30am
    - Flossie
      
      Thank you for the offer BY. After googling, you tubing and generally driving myself nuts, I’ve given in and will go for a print out.
      
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      December 2, 2021 10:16am
      - Flossie
        
        And P.S. – if I didn’t have a flight booked I might not even bother at all!
        
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        December 2, 2021 10:49am
    - bronny1
      
      What, replace the family dog photo with a QR code? Are you mad???
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:31am
    - Bridgenag
      
      But ‘scuse me for being a computer moron but all the apps show up in from of the thing to pass…………
      
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      December 2, 2021 12:39pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        front not from
        
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        December 2, 2021 3:57pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Like everything Kungflu-related it will be a fuck up.
  
  Give it 3 months and small hospitality venues won’t ask for proof of entry – it will be too difficult and they’ll need all the money they can get.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ha…
  Who is the Minister in charge of Elderly & disabled?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127066111/covid19-elderly-disabled-struggling-with-tech-requirements-of-vaccine-passes
  
  Did someone forget to consult with Minister Verrall, or didn’t she bloody well think of how the blind, confused, tech-phobic, tech-ignorant were going to manage?
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:41am
- Russ the Muss
  
  I had the same the other day. I guess if I was unvaxxed I’d just get that screenshot copy of a mate, seems a pretty easy workaround?
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:46am
  - bronny1
    
    Only if you have any interest in being part of this separatist agenda. I don’t.
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:33am
- Bridgenag
  
  Thanks for that info
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:51am
- Lance
  
  It’s a PDF. You should be able to store that?
  My concern is the phone running out of juice at the most inconvenient time, so I printed it out and put it in my wallet as a backup. It prints to credit card size (folded).
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:02am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Mine has gone too.
  
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  December 2, 2021 5:10pm
MCōs

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
It seems President Trump tested positive for covid-19 before his first debate with Joe Biden, but went ahead with it anyway.
This according to his Chief of Staff Meadows.
He also tested negative, which was obviously wrong because he was in hospital a few days later.
He arrived at the debate too late for a mandatory test.
Of course he did.
Of course Mr Trump is also saying Mr Meadows I’d lying.
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December 2, 2021 8:27am
- Frank the tank
  
  Still have some TDS there Cosy.
  
  Don’t watch the coverage of the SCOTUS then because it looks like they are about to shit can Roe vs Wade.
  
  You can thank Trumpy for that one.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:37am
  - MCōs
    
    Call it whatever you like, Frank, I certainly have no time for Mr Trump.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/us/politics/trump-virus-positive.html?referringSource=articleShare
    As one of the comment under this article says
    “Luckily he also tested positive for losing the 2020 election”
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:22am
    - Frank the tank
      
      LOL. You are going to one angry person come both the mid terms and the next election in 2024 then.
      
      By 2024 the GOP will likely have the house, senate, SCOTUS and the presidency.
      
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      December 2, 2021 9:46am
      - Batman
        
        Am I going to have to start another ‘landslide” prediction sweepstake?
        
        For all but the most naive or overly hopeful, it is far too early to make any predictions.
        
        There’s a lot of water to go under the bridge before even the 2022 midterms. A range of issues could kneecap either side.
        
        Frankly the GOP needs to get a leash on its former President and the racist buffoons in its caucus like MTG and Boebert if it wants to appeal to the wider electorate.
        
        On the other hand, the gerrymandering underway at the moment may will secure ‘gains’ for the GOP by conducting electoral apartheid along racial and political lines, since the GOP has accepted it is the party of minority rule, effectively.
        
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        December 2, 2021 10:42am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Batty boy is in love with Beijing Biden & the Dopey Dems. 🙂
        
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        December 2, 2021 11:07am
      - All_on_Red
        
        https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/us/politics/illinois-democrats-gerrymander.html
        
        https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/03/new-york-democrats-gerrymandering-elections/618452/
        
        Plenty more of that. Of course lets not forget how Democrats illegally changed the Voting Rules in many States too. Which is far worse.
        Those Rules are being changed back now- lol
        That’ll stop the racist Democrats.
        
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        December 2, 2021 12:40pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Funny how the lefties love to call the GOP and Trump racist, when without any doubt Biden is the most racist person to be President since probably LBJ (or maybe since 2008-16) with his past history of outright racist remarks that he is always somehow excused for.
        
        And the Democrats are the ones pushing the explicitly racist and divisive CRT everywhere.
        
        It is indeed a truism that when a lefty accuses you of something, it is because that is what they are doing and they are trying to distract.
        
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        December 2, 2021 12:54pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Still got those listed names of us here who support Trump, Batman? You know the ones of us who you will say sorry to in 2024?
        Keep them safe, do not lose them.
        #Trump2024
        
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        December 2, 2021 3:38pm
    - Jack5
      
      MCos or MCōs, have you just changed to including a macron in your pseudonym, or was it always there❓
      
      If it’s not a keyboard slip, what sound does ō represent?
      
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      December 2, 2021 12:15pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I think that upstairs dash thing is a tin foil hat////
        
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        December 2, 2021 3:39pm
      - Jack5
        
        Mmm… one Maori term for macron is pōtae, which means hat or cap.
        
        Another is tohutō, which you might suspect is a homonym or cognate from the English “top hat”.
        
        Did pre-Westernisation Maori have tin foil?
        
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        December 2, 2021 8:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good to see you said President Trump and not “ex President Trump”
  He is rent free in your head and you know it MCos.
  Good boy.
  
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  December 2, 2021 3:35pm
Nickc2

One more sleep

Hospitality (inc Pubs & Clubs) open in Akld tomorrow!
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December 2, 2021 8:31am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I am booked in!
  
  Friday beers on the deck of the local club!
  
  #whoodefuckedyhoo!
  
  #shoveyourvaccinepassportupyourarse!
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:21am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Did Leo Molloy open his bar on the 1st of December?
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:04am
artemisia

There are Labour MPs, some Cabinet Ministers for example, who would be happy enough to hand over a hot mess to someone else to take flak for.

Then there are those who see their money hosepipe turning off.
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December 2, 2021 8:31am
Russ the Muss

I don’t mind the media attacking him. He’s a big boy and can reply and be judged by the public in the said reply. What gals me is the lack of any accountability for the current idiots. The lack of balance is beyond the pale and damaging to our democracy. That’s right OUR democracy not a few clowns from one news or newshub who are slowly but surely eroding it based on their overt bias and cheerleading of a govt who weild unprecedented power. Luxon needs to out these clowns in a subtle and assertive manner that shows them up for what they are.
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December 2, 2021 8:31am
- artemisia
  
  A good start would be a series of clear and often repeated statements about what Labour policies will be reversed, and why. There have been several such statements over the past 4 years, but they tend to fade from sight as spox change and time passes.
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:39am
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go Hmmm….

WHO’s Chief Scientist Soumya Swaminathan, tells Bloomberg…. “New Covid vaccines will be ready for use early next year, especially as the virus spawns dangerous new variants.” She said, “We’re thrilled with the vaccines we have, but we can improve further. I think, well into 2022, we’re going to see the emergence of improved vaccines”

My partner reckons any new vaccines should be tested on all Labor and Green politicians first, if they survive, the vaccine is safe.

If they don’t, the country is safe.
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December 2, 2021 8:32am
- Frank the tank
  
  What are all these hanger ons going to do if/when “Omishambles” turns in your run of the mill virus but outcompetes the Indian strain?
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:40am
- cmm
  
  There is a massive push for people to get vaccinated with the current stuff which has extremely reduced (if not non-existent) effectiveness against Omicron (and other possible future variants).
  
  Why? Just to use up existing stock and boost Pfizer shares?
  
  The vaccine can’t be fixed by downloading an upgrade. You’ll need another Omicron jab which will take at least 6 months to create, test and manufacture. Omicron is moving fast and should be worldwide by then.
  
  ” as the virus spawns dangerous new variants.”
  Current indications are that Omicron is far less dangerous, not more dangerous. They pulled this bullshit with “deadly delta” too.
  
  As viruses mutate they tend to become more transmissible and less dangerous – this is how history rolls.
  
  The only danger in Omicron appears to be that it is going to end the pandemic. That’s a huge danger to those getting power and profit from the pandemic.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:23am
  - bronny1
    
    There’s always another lab leak….
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:35am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Maggie, your partner sounds like the sort of man I would enjoy a beer or four with.
  
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  December 2, 2021 3:16pm
Stu2

There is a Herald Premium article today with a graph of daily cases per million in the Auckland, Sydney and Melbourne outbreaks.

It shows how level 4 then high vax levels have helped in containing the Auckland case numbers.

Auckland got to about 100 daily cases per million, Sydney to 275 and Melbourne to 375.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-delta-outbreak-how-auckland-avoided-the-hundreds-of-deaths-in-sydney-and-melbourne/5YFOFV63MA24R5FQDOEUFL3DHA/
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December 2, 2021 8:33am
- Ra Henare
  
  Guess you missed that they both locked down
  AND
  Their city populations are densely packed and about the size of entire NZ population. Not the piddly spread-out population of Auckland.
  
  What is it again. Statisticians can prove anything by changing the lens that looks ta the data.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:13am
  - Stu2
    
    NSW sort of locked down – it was too slow and too limited. So the outbreak got away on them and they pulled it back with a massive vaccination effort. They got to 90% double dose really quickly.
    
    Victoria had a lock down more extreme than Auckland, but the outcome was nearly four times worse in terms of peak cases per capita per day. Looks like lockdown fatigue was a major factor (they had already overdone lockdowns and their severity).
    
    I stuck this post up as I hadn’t seen the comparisons with oz for quite some time, and was surprised we did so much better in terms of cases.
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:39am
- sooty
  
  How does the population size difference help?
  Did the churnilist allow for that.
  Or just interview their key board!
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:40am
- ClanMcleod
  
  You get those numbers when you have a single source of truth.
  
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  December 3, 2021 12:33am
Stellaboxer

I truly loathe this government and their media lackeys. They are in my opinion only out done by those businesses and organisations imposing vaccine restrictions on the public when not required to by the government.
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December 2, 2021 8:34am
KevO'Brien

Dr. Roger Hodkinson: “You never, ever, ever start a vaccination program in the middle of a pandemic. Are they insane?”
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=98575

Video of a recent freedom rally held in Alberta, Canada, top Canadian pathologist and virologist Dr. Roger Hodkinson.
We could do with more public meetings like this.
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December 2, 2021 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Love the term “scariants”.
  
  Wonder how long omicron will remain a scariant.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:44am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    It’s just a PR campaign and a behavioural psychology exercise:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22C33ML_MB8
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:16am
- Frank the tank
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/30/gov-desantis-in-florida-we-will-not-let-them-lock-you-down-over-any-coronavirus-variant/
  
  We need more leaders like this guy. Florida still reporting less Kungflu than blue states with their mask and vaccine mandates
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:47am
  - MCōs
    
    I see even Breibart are reporting President Trump tested positive for covid before the first debate.
    BTW
    I skimmed through some of the comments. Not the brightest sparks
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/12/01/book-donald-trump-tested-positive-later-negative-for-coronavirus-before-first-presidential-debate/
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:32am
  - Mark
    
    only 45000 dead in florida fwank.
    
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    December 2, 2021 5:25pm
igm

So we cannot even have Wanganui Cemertery Circuit this year . . . I detest this apology for a government more by the day. There will be many so far out of pocket over this closure it could be their demise . . . just as unions and Ardern want.
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December 2, 2021 8:39am
Anne Scott

I have a burning question. If one were to get Covid, what can one expect to experience?
We have been told the symptoms that indicate that a test is in order and what to do re self-isolation etc. But…
Statistically, what happens then? Does it feel like a bad flu for 5 days? Or more like a heavy/slight cold? Will it keep me awake, or will I just want to sleep all the time? How long will I feel unwell? And so on. I understand that no two people’s experience is identical, but statistics can be used to give an indication of what will happen. For example, 90% feel a bit “coldy” for 4 days. 7% have a cough, and so on. Many fear extreme symptoms that affect only a few. The data is there. Please can our statisticians share it with us? If this information is already publicly available please share where we can find it.
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December 2, 2021 8:42am
- MCōs
  
  I would suggest you’re asking the wrong people.
  Looking at this spreadsheet, could be anything, but boredom from the isolation is probably a biggie.
  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1e2v-rOztBgQfFBKHJN0R59RrinRtq2RmjuFhEZP9JfM/htmlview#gid=0
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:45am
- Fletch
  
  This will give you some info on what to expect as the infection progresses, etc. The whole site is very informative.
  
  https://www.wanakahealthbridge.co.nz/progression-of-the-infection
  
  https://www.wanakahealthbridge.co.nz/
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:07am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Everyone is different. If you are vaccinated and healthy the symptoms should be much LESS than a bad cold. It won’t go to your lungs.
  
  Runny nose
  Headache
  Sneezing
  
  You should not have a fever. Should be over in 4 – 5 days.
  
  Of course there are no guarantees.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:08am
  - bronny1
    
    Even if you are not vaccinated you’ve got a 97-98% chance of recovering at home.
    
    It comes in two parts – first week the virus, second week I think pulmonary/respiratory. That’s the dangerous part, if you get it. Talk your vitamin c, D3, zinc and quercetin both prophylactically and when you get the virus. This is not personal medical advice, it’s the protocol used to treat people at the start of the virus by many docs overseas. Of it progresses they add steroids, anti coagulants etc.
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:40am
- Ed Snack
  
  If you can get it, take the standard human dose of Ivermectin for around 3-5 days and any symptoms will be almost certainly like a medium to mild cold and will disappear rapidly. As a bonus, you will lose your ability to infect others in the same timeframe.
  
  However that outcome is for some reason unacceptable to the medical powers that be who want you sick and reliant on the government, so it can be very hard to obtain.
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:59pm
- Mark
  
  google the 7 stages of covid ,it is a diabolical way of dying.
  
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  December 2, 2021 5:27pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/S9NeLGEWQHc/

Chuck Norris Meets Viktor Orban.

Chuck Norris gets a first hand look at one of the most conservative and patriotic nations in the world!
[1:41]
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December 2, 2021 8:43am
- Fletch
  
  Chuck sure don’t look age 78!
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:58am
  - curry4me
    
    Fletch: Yes that’s what I thought. Closer to 58.
    
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    December 2, 2021 4:31pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB8opDhr3jU
Anti-CCP Protests Erupt in Solomon Islands, Australia Sends Troops.

Protests erupted in the capital of the Solomon Islands last week and things got kind of ugly. That’s what most of the media focused on in this story, but here we look at the reason protesters are so angry. The country has moved closer to China as it’s distanced itself from Taiwan, which many people are unhappy about. Watch this episode of China Uncensored for more on what led up to the protests, the peacekeeping troops that were sent in to restore order, and how this all could have been resolved peacefully. [11:58]
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December 2, 2021 8:43am
I remember when

Don’t tell Jacinda but guess who often don’t have Covid Passports.
Many older residents who don’t have computers, or email accounts, or smart phones, and don’t know how to tackle the problem.
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December 2, 2021 8:44am
- MCōs
  
  If they’re so isolated they don’t know anyone who can give them a hand they probably aren’t going to need one.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:49am
- igm
  
  If Ardern had her way, elderly people would be put down; they do not support her and her communist ideology.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:55am
  - miltonF
    
    I disagree. Many elderly, like my parents, absolutely love communism/socialism. Free pensions, electricity payments, healthcare, free public transport, massive increase in value of their homes. They know they are well fed by the hand of socialism and you don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
    
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    December 2, 2021 12:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cost money too. The soon us old bastards die the less Super will have to be paid.
    Nasty piece of work, and we have paid her income all these years except for the $8 per hour fish and chip shop
    
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    December 2, 2021 4:05pm
- sooty
  
  It’s all ok as most of them are locked up inside the resthome hiding with teddy!
  They ain’t allowed out!
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:43am
Tony Stuart

The Prime Minister was greeted with a rather “interesting” waiata when she turned up to meet iwi on Tuesday in the Waikato. Unfortunately, the temporary fences and screens that had been hastily erected to keep the PM out of the view of protestors weren’t soundproof!

https://www.facebook.com/alia.beetle/posts/10158823048069163/
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December 2, 2021 8:46am
- alex Masterley
  
  I thought yesterdays visit by the PM to the Auckland Zoo was a very cunning way of hiding her from protesters in plain sight.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    She went to visit the Cabinet behind her Cabinet (Political that is).
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:47am
  - Paulus
    
    Whilst Ardern was in Auckland Zoo presumably for a caged Cabinet Meeting yesterday, that I suspect not a few Labour MPs will be updating their CVs, omitting their current jobs, can’t really call fodder a job though.
    
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    December 2, 2021 1:55pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Savage! And the animals are in cages
    
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    December 2, 2021 4:08pm
- Bridgenag
  
  One time I wish I did Facebook……
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:55am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I can sing it for you.
    
    You can stick your vaccine mandate up your arse, you can stick your vaccine mandate up your arse, stick your vaccine mandate, stick your vaccine mandate, stick your vaccine mandate up your arse!
    
    With apologies to all those without the benefit of a tin ear and actually like ‘she’ll be coming round the mountain’ song
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:33am
    - bronny1
      
      Must be horrible to be so hated. She deserves nothing less.
      Oh no hang on, I’m unvaxxed, so I’m hated more.
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:43am
      - Scooter
        
        I bet quite a few are glad of the mask, will hide a lot of sniggering.
        
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        December 2, 2021 9:19pm
- miltonF
  
  Thanks for that Tony. Made my day.
  
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  December 2, 2021 1:34pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Mine too. 😆
    
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    December 2, 2021 6:21pm
bythesea

There was a link yesterday to a Guy Hatchard article about the decision making from inside the Skeggs group for the NZ govt. It’s a good read and works like a story as you see his initial enthusiasm turn to concern and disenchantment around adverse events

You can find it at this link plus a whole bunch of other articles
https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/author/guy-hatchard/

But the other thing – i never even realised the “Daily Telegraph (NZ)” had launched. It says they use syndicated RT news.

Anybody have good / bad things to say about them. I would like to support alternative media, and it can have biases as long as they are fairly upfront and obvious
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December 2, 2021 8:50am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Just followed the link and scrolled down through articles. Nice to see articles like this appearing:
  
  https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/opinion/do-the-unvaccinated-have-scrambled-brains-as-nz-media-suggests/
  
  “It is at this point that the wheels come off the Stuff article, because some very disturbing facts have been omitted by the author, facts and their discussion that the NZ Herald and Stuff have left largely unreported.”
  
  Comments like that tend to give me a nice warm glow inside 🙂
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:39am
  - bythesea
    
    fisking stuff articles should give them an endless source of material!
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:05am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Another Daily Telegraph NZ article
    https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/opinion/the-covid-vaccine-mandates-a-trauma-informed-perspective/
    
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    December 2, 2021 3:22pm
- bronny1
  
  It’s a fantastic article
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:43am
- Diogenes
  
  RT is a Russian-based news organisation. They frequently have very good articles, but filter for potential bias.
  
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  December 2, 2021 2:16pm
westernScientest

For those of you who havnt read it, this is worth a read:

https://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf

think of spirituality as Wokisum
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December 2, 2021 8:50am
Frank the tank

Why do all politicians in New Zimbabwe wear face nappies EVERYWHERE and not just where mandated?

Surely there are some educated members that understand the majority of masks provide as much protection as a 3-ply toilet paper strip and 2 band aids and otherwise no one in New Zimbabwe have contracted any Kungflu variant while outside.

Our do they not ‘trust the science’?
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December 2, 2021 8:51am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  If masks are effective, why the need for the vaccine?
  
  If the vaccine is effective, why the need for a mask?
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fauci knows the answer, but it may change tomorrow
    
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    December 2, 2021 4:28pm
I remember when

Covid Advent Calendar:
For people who are looking for a daily variant.
Hope that being a day late doesn’t mean we have missed the best one.
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December 2, 2021 8:55am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Minister of War, Penne Henare, (known to his Cabinet colleagues as ‘Rigate’ ), has confirmed the deployment of 50 frontline Police Officers to ‘The Solomon Islands,’ to assist their Australian counterparts in quelling the riots.

In his press release, The Minister noted that a number of Officers who volunteered, expressed relief they would no longer be required for duty in West Auckland.

ENDS.
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December 2, 2021 8:56am
- Frank the tank
  
  My mates in the force are saying it’s getting weirder and weirder out there Maggie. Cases of bestiality, kidnapping, naked men in parks etc.
  
  Honiara is probably quite tame in comparison.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:51am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We’ve heard similar things as well Frankie!
    Imagine being a goat tethered to a fence in Mt Roskill 🙁
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:01am
    - Ed Snack
      
      They have to watch out for tigers …?
      
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      December 2, 2021 1:02pm
70andstilllearning

Great to see a local body council getting it’s priorities right and listening to it’s ratepayers instead of taking Cindy’s bribes!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/127113239/whangrei-council-abandons-contentious-oruku-landing-conference-and-event-centre

‘ “We desperately deserve that investment in our district. $60 million is significant,” Mai said.
“Then I heard about the poo running down the walls of Whangārei Hosptial and I wondered about the priorities,” Mai said.
She said Whangārei already had many conference facilities.’
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December 2, 2021 8:57am
Aquataur

All hail to the kind and generous St Cindy

To reward Aucklanders for their massive sacrifice, loss of freedoms, monetary and social losses, denied education and healthcare, she has announced she will compensate them.

Wait for it – how much ?

$0.25 a day – that’s right folks – a lousy 25c per day of hardship.

But wait – not every Aucklander gets it – you need to be a special person living in an approved post code area to get a reward – the old and rural, well off and young won’t see a c of the miserly amount she has given out

Remember this cruel and spiteful b**ch when voting in 2023 – if we have an election
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December 2, 2021 9:02am
- cmm
  
  It’s always easy being generous with other people’s money.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:27am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Yep, rewarding those who are holding out on getting a vaccine with something they don’t want with something they don’t need and most likely will not use.
  
  KFC vouchers maybe but a free entrance to the Auckland museum, not so much.
  
  I challenge anyone on the Northshore to get anything!
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:39am
- alloytoo
  
  I think it worked out to $22.70 per person, only redeemable in council venues.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:36am
  - Nickc2
    
    It’s not even her money FFS! It’s our bloody money she’s giving away. How dare she? How can this expenditure be justified? Talk about crooks, this lot is notorious for revenue waste/misuse.
    How do they get away with it? Oh, that’s right, the fact that it’s been done is kept quiet by the MSM until Cindy’s mob have rejoiced in their stealth and cunning in Public whence it’s too late for public/media critique.
    Remember 3 Waters, He Puapua, Maori Gang funding and ………….. etc.
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Code area 0629 gets sweet fuck all
  
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  December 2, 2021 4:30pm
Truman lodge

Just saw on the herald this morning that club numbers have doubled over the last 5 years. Impressive really..
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December 2, 2021 9:12am
- Frank the tank
  
  Growth Industry with tax free status and government funding
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:58am
- cmm
  
  They are practically exempt from the Vax Pass checking too.
  
  Does anyone really think Coster’s Clowns are going to check Vax Passports at a gang pad?
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:18pm
  - Truman lodge
    
    CMM
    
    You mean club house..
    
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    December 2, 2021 1:46pm
    - cmm
      
      Sorry about that.
      
      Can I pay some reparations or does the guilt last for a few generations?
      
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      December 2, 2021 4:55pm
I remember when

Three years ago seven 40-year-old pohutukawa were uplifted from Quay St, keeping them safe in Teal Park away from large-scale construction.
Returning to redesigned Quay St one by one through the night in crane operations.
They have now begun flowering for summer.
“I’m thrilled to see we have our first blooms after the investment we made in saving these trees and returning to their home on the waterfront.” Councillor Pippa Coom.
A type of Pohutukawa MIQ.
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December 2, 2021 9:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Only in socialist Auckland, and that other Tamaki place
  
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  December 2, 2021 4:32pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Why do you hate trees?
    
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    December 2, 2021 5:12pm
Vory v zakone

Top UK Cardiologist: Be on the Right Side of History & Put an End to Vaccine Mandates

https://trialsitenews.com/top-uk-cardiologist-be-on-the-right-side-of-history-put-an-end-to-vaccine-mandates/
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December 2, 2021 9:21am
dime

Great to see the National leader has been investing wisely and making good returns. That gives me confidence.

If you scroll way way down (i hit ctrl-f) you will see jacindas name.

Shes up $600,000 YTD on her house.
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December 2, 2021 9:22am
- Westie Bob
  
  I have seen reports that Jacinda is worth $25m does anyone know how this is calculated as the only asset of value is her Family Home. Where is the rest? What is the report of her and Clarke buying property in the South Island?
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:12am
  - Batman
    
    That is based off an internet scam ads that’s one of those “NZ PM exclusively tells Duncan Garner how she grew her wealth portfolio to $25m in two years using this method, click to find out more!”
    
    They used to do it for John Key but he’s no longer relevant so they’ve moved on to using the current PM.
    
    You can check out the financial disclosures for the PM on the parliament website, it’s not $25 million that’s for sure.
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:54am
  - dime
    
    I know Clarke has bought property. The locals dont rate him lol
    
    She is on 500stacks a year plus plus plus
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:21am
    - Inandout
      
      dime, as with Pelosi and her wealth. Of course her congressional salary didn’t make her rich as much as her husband did. I am not sure how an MPs wealth is gauged here but often it is what they hear and see that offers a distinct advantage. Not that I would suggest for one moment our MPs hide their true wealth.
      
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      December 2, 2021 12:51pm
mandk

Ardern has posted a puff piece on LinkedIn.

The responses aren’t positive.
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December 2, 2021 9:27am
- Over Taxed Worker
  
  There are positive comments – from MSM influenced folks from Canada.
  Perhaps we can auction her off to the highest bidder.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:11am
  - mandk
    
    If we could get her a role in Canada, I’d be delighted to chip in for the air fare.
    
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    December 2, 2021 12:09pm
Maggie Pie

And something else we picked up on, have you noticed EVERY TIME that idiot Goff wants to burden residents with either a new Tax or Levy on our Rates, he always uses the same tired-old-line straight from Labor’s socialist manifesto….

“It’s for the benefit of the kids and grand-kids and the world they will grow up in”

Like my partner said, “They know most people won’t challenge that, for fear of looking like a bit of a – – – – .
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December 2, 2021 9:28am
- Frank the tank
  
  Weasel trick by an outgoing mayor
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:59am
- Hard Cheese
  
  The most annoying phrase he uses (out of a long list) is “people have told us” when trying to justify their idiotic schemes. People have told you they’d like a climate change levy? Really, Phil?
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:16am
  - Flossie
    
    One of Trump’s lines…”people say”…..
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “we will see”
      #Trump 2024
      
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      December 2, 2021 5:13pm
  - Nickc2
    
    People have told you they’d like a climate change levy
    Turkeys voting for Christmas Phil? How the fuck can you keep a straight face when you announce such lies is beyond me.
    Have you been told to get the City’s Books in order before the next Mayoral Election Phil, or is it because such a lofty hike in Rates would be a grab too far in a future Mayoral Election campaign?
    This is pure unadulterated Bullshit on our Mayor’s part, nothing more, nothing less.
    He gave us a Fuel Tax to eliminate traffic congestion. We still have traffic congestion. Now, he’s going to give us a Climate Change tax to change the climate. Well, good luck with that one.
    BTW who’s probably standing as a Mayoral Candidate in the next Mayoral Election? Oh, that’s right, another Labour Party know-it-all activist called John Tamahere no less. Stand-by for another tax called the Maori out of Poverty tax/levy aimed at getting the homeless of Akld’s streets. That’ll work well too (if he stands)!
    
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    December 2, 2021 12:19pm
Rusty

Jacinda Ardern came from a Mormon/church of latter day saints religious background but turned her back on it sometime in her youth because she disagreed with their views on homosexuality which I assume they referred to as a sin.

Does Jacinda not know the muslim religion have similar views on homosexuality being wrong?

Whether one agrees or disagrees with a religious groups views on homosexuality and other moral matters or that religion itself — they are still entitled to their beliefs.

If this hate speech becomes law — what would it mean for any religion in this country who could hold views another person might deem as hate?

Scary times await us I think!
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December 2, 2021 9:43am
- Batman
  
  Beliefs formed during the early days of human society can surely be tested and questioned.
  
  If we didn’t evolve what we believe, we’d still take flat earthers seriously!
  
  That, and people who believe these things should really keep them to themselves. They have no right to espouse them onto others or advocate for policies which harm such people, based on a religious belief.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:31am
  - alloytoo
    
    We still take flat earthers seriously, at least the climate scientists do.
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:40am
    - Batman
      
      I’m sorry that science has left you behind, alloy ?
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:08am
      - Mark
        
        Batman I am truly perplexed as to how the climate debate bacame so left /right .I am a bit of a climate agnostic ,however when I keep reading rightwing blather on all sorts of other topics ,I am coming to the conclusion that the left has it right.
        
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        December 2, 2021 5:37pm
    - Nickc2
      
      They’re one and the same aren’t they?
      
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      December 2, 2021 12:25pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Well yes, their models make certain assumptions.
        
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        December 2, 2021 3:06pm
  - alloytoo
    
    “They have no right to espouse them onto others or advocate for policies which harm such people, based on a religious belief.”
    
    Same should be said for socialism.
    
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    December 2, 2021 10:43am
    - Batman
      
      Great but we’re not talking about socialism.
      
      Changing the subject to avoid the point a bit there…
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:11am
      - alloytoo
        
        We’re talking religion, socialism is a religion, it’s validity is an article of faith, in direct contradiction of reality.
        
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        December 2, 2021 11:52am
  - Peter S
    
    You obviously have not thought that through to its obvious conclusion, which would be that the same applies to all beliefs, and that you should be applying the keep it to yourself part to yourself first.
    
    Personally, I have a real issue with those who have the position that something specifically protected under the bill of rights should be considered as disqualifying from suitability to hold public office.
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:11am
    - Batman
      
      Protection of religion under the bill of rights doesn’t extend to, say, pushing for a lesser set of rights for some groups because of that religious belief.
      
      I agree about qualification for public office. Luxon is perfectly correct that his beliefs are personal and separate from policy. I don’t agree that personal beliefs should exclude someone from candidacy, whether Christian or Muslim or Jewish or Mormon or Hindu etc
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:16am
      - Peter S
        
        Your first statement is unclear.
        
        The BOR does protect from having others try to push for restriction of your rights based upon your religion.
        It does not protect if you use your beliefs to try to restrict the rights of others.
        
        The media and Labour hav, I think, overstepped the mark with Luxon, as they have implied a fit for office rather than a “do you want to vote for tye person” message.
        
        I’d like to see Nash and some others challenged to put up and confirm that they are saying anyone with religious beliefs is unfit to be in a decision making position or back down.
        
        The truth is that everyone has core beliefs, and those influence their decisions, and there are both positive and negative aspects to that regardless of whether they are humanistic, atheistic, religious or whatever.
        
        I personally look favorably on someone who is honest about that and applies those core beliefs consistently, because it at least gives a level of predictability.
        
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        December 2, 2021 12:41pm
  - graham
    
    That, and people who believe these things should really keep them to themselves. They have no right to espouse them onto others or advocate for policies which harm such people, based on a religious belief.
    
    I hadn’t noticed Mr Luxon trying to force his beliefs on others. Rather, it seems to be other people trying to make something out of it. Mr Luxon is on record as having said that:
    
    “My faith is personal to me. It is not in itself a political agenda. I believe no religion should dictate to the State, and no politician should use the political platform they have to force their beliefs on others. As MPs, we serve the common cause of all New Zealanders-not one religion, not one group, not one interest.”
    
    And he told Newstalk ZB in May that “It’s never been an issue for me in my past… I wasn’t a Christian CEO, I was a CEO who just happened to be a Christian and the same thing here.”
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:23am
    - Batman
      
      Oh I agree. I’m not talking about Luxon but more general.
      
      Luxon has done the correct thing and made it a clear non-issue for anyone other than the Atholes (credit to Lewsos on Twitter) on Twitter who want to fear monger and signal amongst their friends. It’s all just designed to motivate the activist sectors.
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:30am
- Paulus
  
  Believe she said it was about when she was 25 years old and because they objected to same sex marriage.
  Since when has 25 years of age been youth.
  
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  December 2, 2021 2:00pm
nathie

Well listening to Kerre on ZB (and flicking back to Leah on MagicTalk 🙂 ) seems as though the MSM hit job on Luxon has failed (or perhaps correctly, has produced “unintended consequences”) …… lots of callers (many claiming they are/were lefties or low income etc) are saying they despise Stuff and Newshub for these “attacks” on Luxon and wish him well for being successful!!!

If these callers are also indicative of people changing their support then the next polls will be interesting – expect National up and Labour down!
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December 2, 2021 9:53am
lazza

Quote: “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter”.

To which I would add … “and under this useless socialist bunch of arrogant ideological incompetents, democracy has become a mockery … Think: serial parliamentary urgency-consultation is MIA … an election manifesto of omissions (Te Puapua and 3 waters) etc etc ).

And yet the dumb Kiwi Sheeple voted … and in their droves for the bastards!

Sigh!
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December 2, 2021 9:55am
- Batman
  
  If you time traveled back to 2014 you’d find a lot of people saying the exact same thing on the Standard.
  
  It was, and is, a pointless partisan complaint.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:44am
lazza

Quote: Just saw on the herald this morning that club numbers have doubled over the last 5 years. Impressive really.?

??? … cant be “gang” numbers as they have more than doubled and now outstrip Plods battalions.
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December 2, 2021 10:01am
- mandk
  
  And they are better armed than the plod battalions.
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:12pm
70andstilllearning

A genuine question.
Can anybody tell me what is happening with Auckland hard borders AFTER 17 Jan 2022? Can’t find anything on the “covid19.govt.nz/traffic-lights/life-at-red/travel-and-accommodation-at-red/travel-at-red/” site.

Are we just waiting for the announcement of an announcement that we will be told something sometime in the future?
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December 2, 2021 10:10am
- alex Masterley
  
  That is a question I have been asking as well. At the moment silence.
  I suspect, and it is only a suspicion, that the border will be reinstated.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:39am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Whoa hold it – breaking news !!!! – just went back to check some before replying.
    https://covid19.govt.nz/traffic-lights/life-at-red/travel-and-accommodation-at-red/travel-at-red/
    Last updated: 2 December 2021 at 11:04 am
    
    “Travel from 18 January 2022
    From 18 January 2022, there will be no restrictions on travel out of Auckland.
    
    When travelling into a different setting area, you will need to follow the guidance for that area when you are there. ”
    
    These turkeys really do read Kiwiblog 🙂 🙂 🙂
    
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    December 2, 2021 12:09pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      mmm, call me cynical but let us see what we learn from the podium of truth on the 17th.
      
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      December 2, 2021 12:55pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        sigh yes – given TTA’s latest antics I’m hearing this morning re a “checkpoint” south of Whangarei anything’s possible. Mind you, I’m printing something on the reverse side of my paper “passport” – just for them 🙂
        
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        December 2, 2021 1:08pm
KevO'Brien

Who is going to pay for this Harewood brain scheme?
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/countrys-largest-solar-farm-be-built-christchurch-airport

Phase 1, 930 acres to produce 150Mw i.e. 30,000 homes at 5Kw each.

Obsolete before conception. Within 5 years we will have personal home 10Kw-20Kw units about the size of a microwave and not requiring any connection to the grid.
Cost likely to be under $20K with operating costs included in original purchase price. Your sparkie will install them and they will be able to be retrofitted to current homes/batches/Doc mountain huts…

In the past year the cold fusion research has broken through after 30 years of international work and note swapping. It is hydrogen which is common to all but it has been proven to be much simpler. There are reports of experiment on line that like early computers from which an enthusiast could produce their own device.
The commercial world has not ignored it either. At least one major Japanese conglomerate sponsored a research dept at a university. AirBus has patents.

The clue was not found in fusion at all but in the way a plasma (like in a fluorescent tube) behaves when another lot of pulsed electricity is introduced. Hydrogen even in water can be made to change its present state where its sole electron is moved closer internally and a large amount of energy is released. No bangs or radiation bother. The whole process is simple, elegant and cheap.
I’m going to enjoy watching this come to fruition.
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December 2, 2021 10:23am
- rangitoto
  
  Don’t fall for the scams Kev.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:43am
- cmm
  
  Hint: you and I are paying.
  
  Phase 1, 930 acres to produce 150Mw i.e. 30,000 homes at 5Kw each.
  
  Aaarghhh! That is 150MW NAMEPLATE capacity.ie. that is 150MW when the full summer sun is shining and the panels are cool. ie. best possible case.
  
  In NZ, the sun does not shine all the time – not even in the day time. Hint: It’s the Land of the Long White Cloud.
  
  I am about 5km from the site and right now it’s thick cloud.
  
  The average output of PVs in Christchurch is around 14% of the nameplate capacity. So, in reality, it is about 20MW of generation – not 150MW! ie. 4000 homes.
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:46am
  - bronny1
    
    I suspect you won’t be as I think you like me have been banned from flying?
    
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    December 2, 2021 12:09pm
    - cmm
      
      Taxpayer funded, no doubt!
      
      I’m fine with being banned from flying. I haven’t flown since 2008. My real passport is long expired.
      
      They can ban me from the pub too – last time I went to a pub was 2019 or maybe 2018.
      
      I’m banned from the library. Ok with that too, the librarian that wears the commie-friendly T shirts (big Che fan) probably won’t miss me.
      
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      December 2, 2021 5:00pm
      - Taieri
        
        They can ban me from the pub too – last time I went to a pub was 2019 or maybe 2018.
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        Last time I went to a pub was in 2006. Making your own (including spirits) is legal in NZ. Much cheaper and tastier than the stuff they sell in pubs anyway.
        
        I’m banned from the library.
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        Millions of books on the internet. No need for the public library anymore.
        
        I’m fine with being banned from flying. I haven’t flown since 2008.
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        I have flown today. And unfortunately, periodically have to fly whether I like it or not (I don’t). So can’t afford flying ban.
        
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        December 2, 2021 6:41pm
  - curry4me
    
    cmm: You’re not that far from me then.
    
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    December 2, 2021 4:46pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Likewise.
      
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      December 2, 2021 6:27pm
- Inandout
  
  KO, 20 grand pays for a lot of leccie.
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:04pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That is the proposed full capital and running costs cost up front.
    My family pays about $3K/ year.
    
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    December 2, 2021 1:26pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Kev, you’ll be saying the same thing next year, and the year after, and the year after that…
  
  It always has been “just about to be released…” and has been for many years. You do need to look a little closer at the claims, and the history.
  
  I can recall this specific scam being almost ready for commercial release at sometime in (I think) the 1990’s and a second but smaller wave of the same in the mid 2000’s.
  
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  December 2, 2021 1:09pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    My comments today were addressed particularly at the folly of the proposed PV installation for Christchurch. Have we ratepayers been consulted?
    
    Times have moved on rapidly. The last 12 months much has appeared and the findings are all pointing to the same set of conditions producing energy. I sense the breakthrough and the commercial plans.
    
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    December 2, 2021 1:33pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Ignoring any fusion breakthroughs for the moment, it would appear that there’s been considerable development in modular pebble bed reactors in South Africa.
    
    These are gas cooled (intended for low rainfall climates) and intended to be deployed from off the shelf.
    
    100MW capacity with far smaller land use /Environment footprint than Solar or wind.
    
    This is conventional technology with novel engineering solutions.
    
    You could make these independent from the grid for remote area application, reducing transmission costs and grid vulnerability.
    
    https://www.esi-africa.com/industry-sectors/generation/nuclear-gas-cooled-small-modular-reactors-an-african-solution/
    
    http://www.thorium100.com/
    
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    December 2, 2021 3:24pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      There has been a great amount going on to get affordable reliable energy. Reports of developments are almost weekly. The Chinese are looking at thorium too.
      (Some of the LENR applications are for the remediation of nuclear waste.)
      
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      December 2, 2021 5:08pm
Maggie Pie

Just something else this idiot gubmint didn’t think about 🙁

Have you noticed that when you print out your ‘My Vaccine Pass’…. then cut it out around the dotted-lines, it’s just slightly too big to fit into a credit-card holder.

Sooo frustrating!
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December 2, 2021 10:26am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I agree Mags. And I went to the trouble of getting it laminated and now have to carry it separately because of exactly that problem.
  It’s what happens when a Government doesn’t have the brains to design things properly.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:45am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Exactly Cap!
    I had considered cutting mine slightly inside the lines…
    but then I saw on Twitter someone say that was illegal.
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:05am
    - alloytoo
      
      print it at 97%?
      
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      December 2, 2021 11:23am
  - Steve Todd
    
    […]. And I went to the trouble of getting it laminated […].
    
    So did I — in addition to downloading it onto my phone.
    
    I e-mailed the pdf to my copy shop, who printed it off, folded it in half, then laminated it. It is ever so slightly larger than my Driver Licence and bank/credit cards, but, nevertheless, fits perfectly into any of the compartments in my tatty old wallet (that I have been carrying around in my back pocket for the last 30+ years).
    
    All good.
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:44am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Just print an A4, laminate it and hang around your neck. Saves the hassle of purse digging.
  Great virtue signal as well.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:45am
  - Batman
    
    Libraries are doing this for those without smartphones and such.
    
    Though they’re more laminated at credit card sized and not A4 ?
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:21am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Why not have a copy inside a yellow star emblem that can be worn in an armband. Make the symbolism clear.
    
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    December 2, 2021 1:12pm
- sooty
  
  They spent how much and how long on this and it even disappeared off phones!
  That’s the trouble keeping Twyford!
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:50am
- MCōs
  
  It’s a mean old world when the government has to do everything for you.
  https://twitter.com/valaafshar/status/1463940602261913605?s=21
  
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  December 2, 2021 11:58am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, a good tattooist can etch the pass onto your arm so when you walk past the border/cafe guard you just raise your arm in a Queenly fashion.
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:02pm
- cmm
  
  No you’re doing it wrong!
  
  You’re supposed to put it in one of those holders on a lanyard that they use at conferences and hang it around your neck.
  
  Extra points if it’s one with blinking LEDs etc.
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:22pm
- Fletch
  
  I don’t think the passport scheme is going to be around long enough for you to have to worry about it.
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:58pm
KevO'Brien

Oops. The 930 acres should be 543 acres.
The whole area eventually will occupy 988 acres.
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December 2, 2021 10:29am
- sooty
  
  Better keep the panels along way from the fence!
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:51am
  - alloytoo
    
    In 20 years time that will be 543 acres of contaminated sterile soil with zero power generation.
    
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    December 2, 2021 11:24am
- MCōs
  
  What are you talking about?
  The new IKEA shop?
  
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  December 2, 2021 1:58pm
Bridgenag

Just sorted my News Supply to The Telegraph. Can’t keep relying on KB. Hopeful
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December 2, 2021 10:35am
Matt Long

A Big Welcome to the people of Wellington who have joined us in the distopian world of Significant Natural Areas after 30 years, according to this storey https://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=141160
I hope you find it as enjoyable as we have.
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December 2, 2021 10:46am
Yvette

Which is now the greater scored “own goal” – Judith’s Burning Bridges self immolation or the media topping-tall-poppies job that several “journalists” have tried on Luxon’s arrival at Parliament or ‘wealth” in housing, which has been immediately compared to the likes of Helen Clark and Willie Jackson.

However Luxon could have better shoved a pillow up his jumper and arrived at Parliament on a bicycle – he may need a good campaign advisor.
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December 2, 2021 11:40am
I remember when

So what are the Vaccination Passports for again.
With the “Cancel Culture” that seems to be running rampant in New Zealand at present much entertainment is not going ahead.
Fortunately, we will have to use Vaccination Passports for many everyday activities we have been enjoying to date – WITHOUT a Vaccination Passport.
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December 2, 2021 11:44am
- alloytoo
  
  Apparently they serve some sort of health function, perhaps if they were tattooed on one’s arm?
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:21pm
  - RdM
    
    Or on a bald head?
    
    Not sure if either of these links will present an image here, but the 2nd is a direct link.
    From my amusing images folder…
    
    [OK, that thumbnail link didn’t work!]
    or
    
    https://imgbox.com/6PNE6BYv
    
    Smokers (tobacco lovers) were excluded from society too … for population “health” reasons.
    
    And Pharma profits from their ‘pure’ nicotine replacement therapy products…
    
    A corporate war for the nicotine market.
    
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    December 2, 2021 7:33pm
I remember when

Newshub: Revealed: How many properties each New Zealand MP owns:
What a farcical list the non-property owners turns out to be.
It fact, the reason for the lack of property ownership would appear to be more interesting.
What are their living arrangements and the reason for them.
In the majority of cases it has little to do with their ability to purchase property if they want it.
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December 2, 2021 12:11pm
John Pakes

There are some on this page who comment that a persons religion should not be open to question or discussion when they are seeking public office. The comments of course are in this instance talking about Mr Luxon and Christianity.
Would the same rules apply if the person was of the Muslim faith?
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December 2, 2021 12:17pm
- alloytoo
  
  Is there a Muslim MP being attacked by the state propaganda machine?
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:20pm
- Swifty
  
  No, not according to the news media. They only focus on Christians and when they are members of the right.
  
  If the religious people are of the left, or are non-Christian, then the subject of their religion is never raised in interviews.
  
  I have noticed this position over many years.
  
  For example, not once in my experience has a Muslim MP had the grilling I heard Ferguson on RNZ give to Luxon the other day. Not once. Nor have I ever heard the good Reverend Clarke receive such.
  
  There’s a clear double-standard in my view.
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:27pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Have at it on christianity, all crazy belief systems should be subject to loud criticism, but that includes the various nut jobbery exuded by the ctrl-left and their various odious preferred partners in intersectionality.
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:33pm
- Yvette
  
  While Luxon’s Christianity is commented on, Judith’s beliefs were not questioned, although video of her praying in church attendance has been shown several times, and it seems she has attended a church more recently and often than Luxon.
  However Judith’s attempt to Burn Bridges would appear to be not very reflective of basic Christian humility, care and compassion, so why pay any attention to the media projected concept of Chris Luxon’s faith? – say, any more than Ardern’s?
  
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  December 2, 2021 12:36pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Ardern is an apostate full bore.
    
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    December 2, 2021 1:38pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  You know surely that the media would celebrate the ‘diversity’ factor for someone seeking office who was a Muslim.
  Religion is not that a topic should be off limits, but it is pretty clear it selectively and unevenly used.
  
  Muslim would be “Brave – inspirational – representing marginalised communities” etc.
  Religious or cultural minority candidates could also work in the persecution or victim factor, “someone was once mean to me”, as I have seen with Hamilton’s Indian-ethnicity MP.
  
  Group identity politics is a positive….. unless you are pale and male and/or stale.
  Then group identity is a negative.
  Far more likely to become a negative angle, for a Christian.
  For instance, on Twitter, Lizzie Marvelly mentioning he is against abortion – like that makes him unfit to lead a nation.
  
  Would a Muslim MP have rubbed in their faces around Islam demanding death for apostacy? Or their less-than-enlightened attitudes to homosexuals in general?
  And would someone like Poto William’s as Min for Police saying “I am here to represent Maori and Pacifica” be more problematic as an in-group bias and ideological stance for public office than having a personal faith?
  
  I am not religious, but I would say people with chips on their shoulder around race or sexual orientation are worse than a person who simply happens to have particular spiritual belief.
  
  As long as they can realise they are there to do the best they can for ALL citizens, and not use a single interpretative lens to view all topics, then they should be OK.
  
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  December 2, 2021 1:01pm
I remember when

TheNews media is certainly a lot more forward looking than it was in the past.
They used to tell us what had happened and the details relating to the item.
Now, they tell us what might happen, and they invite ‘guess’ speakers to elaborate.
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December 2, 2021 12:26pm
Russ the Muss

Makes no bones about it, the media are over playing their hand. My prediction is the Nats have grabbed 8 points of ACT right off the bat and 2 to 3% directly of labour. As of right now. So Nats 36ish. Act 8 ish,Labour and greens 50 ish. It’s game on people. There was significant hatred and dislike for adern just looking for a home, Collins was for whatever reason very unlikable to people. Luxon is far more neutral in likability and people want to see anyone given a fair go. Currently the media look like idiots, not him
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December 2, 2021 12:38pm
- BAM
  
  What utter bollocks.
  People went to ACT because they were completely disillusioned with who National are, not because of who the leader is.
  
  Luxon was selected to pull in votes from Labour, not ACT.
  
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  December 2, 2021 1:27pm
  - Russ the Muss
    
    Hehe, we shall see. I wouldn’t back the house on that theory BAM. When I’m right, just a simple uptick is all I ask for;)
    For all our brothers and sisters on ACT, let’s just be very honest here. U ain’t polling 16% on election day. Period. Without luxon getting the Nats to 40. U ain’t governing alongside National. You may not like those facts, but facts they are. U guys are dropping as we speak. But in the grand scheme of things, not a bad things for us both.
    
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    December 2, 2021 2:35pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    He will do both.
    
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    December 2, 2021 5:10pm
- westernScientest
  
  I think your totals are probably correct, but more from labour and less from act. I dont really think ACT will loose much, maybe drop them down to 12 (drop of 4) and labour to Nats 6 or 7.
  
  1 in 10ish labour votes flipping to Nats, and about 1 in 4ish from ACT flipping back.
  
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  December 2, 2021 1:47pm
  - Russ the Muss
    
    I’d take that:)
    
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    December 2, 2021 2:36pm
  - Mark
    
    If you are correct I predict that unholy alliance will last barely one term.
    
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    December 2, 2021 5:46pm
Yvette

On Wednesday, former MP Hone Harawira told The AM Show that Te Tai Tokerau Border Control is planning to set up roadblocks to stop unvaccinated people from travelling throughout the region.
“I think the reality is that Māori are worried – whānau are scared of what they see coming and they don’t see anything good coming. They want to know that their people are going to be protected first and foremost,” he said.
“This is not just a call from Hone Harawira and the Border Control or from communities. This has now reached the level where it is a general call from all of the iwi and from all of the regional District Health Boards. This is huge. That’s the level of concern that is being felt across the district… We are asking everybody – double-vaxxed or please stay home.”
Harawira’s comments have been criticised by both COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins and ACT leader David Seymour, with former NZ First MP Shane Jones now weighing in on the debate.
Jones told Magic Talk on Thursday morning that Northlanders need to take responsibility for their low vaccination rates.
“Northland opens its arms to Aucklanders and other tourists, so they will open their wallets and help sustain our local economy – it’s a pretty simple equation,” Jones said.
He said Aucklanders are the lifeblood of many communities in the north and reducing the number of visitors to the region would have a devastating impact on local businesses.
“Every time there is a threat of a roadblock, there’s a sense of menace that deters people from coming north, and they might decide to go to Coromandel or God forbid, Hamilton.”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/12/coronavirus-latest-on-covid-19-community-outbreak-thursday-december-2.html

Is this a decision (perhaps literally lifer death for some) for potential victims to make, or qualified Health entities to make, or a bunch of ex-politicians and current politicians?
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December 2, 2021 12:38pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Those enabling and “legitimising” these quasi border control “checkpoints” are really the ones that should be asked the question:
  
  They are:
  The NZ Police Commissioner
  The Northland District Commander
  and two Area Commanders.
  
  Seems that they seem to flip flop on what happens depending on who is making the most noise in the media.
  
  “Is this a decision (perhaps literally lifer death for some) for potential victims to make,..? ” – sorry – WE don’t actually get a say.
  
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  December 2, 2021 1:58pm
  - peterwn
    
    But as far as I can understand from Chris Bishop, the Covid legislation rushed through under extreme urgency last week allows such IWI checkpoints.
    
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    December 2, 2021 2:34pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      I stand corrected – didn’t realise that bill had been pushed through as well on the 18 Nov.
      
      Funny how the District Commander’s name turns up in the article below published about an hour and half ago however.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/plans-for-borders-at-the-bay-of-islands-canned-tai-tokerau-border-control-and-police-measures-revealed/4YAI44JRV5WRX7LUFUJFKOU6HM/
      
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      December 2, 2021 4:12pm
      - Nickc2
        
        How much did the NZ Taxpayer pay for this agreement? Come on Herald/Stuff, did money change hands for this settlement?
        
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        December 2, 2021 4:49pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  heh, Shane Jones is pretty good at zingers and witty snipes.
  I am from Hamilton, and I think that is damned funny.
  Also like how he talked about Tuhoe closing of Te Urewera great walks, and them saying tourism is not a priority, “……they like to be called Children of the Mist, but more likely to be Children of Missed Opportunities”.
  Same sort of logic to his comments on northern iwi.
  
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  December 2, 2021 3:42pm
Gravelroad

Rumours swirling round Nelson that the two “education support workers” from up North who have been working in two schools for a week, were not only unvaccinated but also untested for C19.
Some very unhappy families as a result.
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December 2, 2021 1:00pm
- rockape
  
  Looks like 14 cases and one that came in just after 9 o’clock that wasn’t counted. It’s out and about in SI for Christmas.Thanks Jacinda.
  
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  December 2, 2021 1:37pm
krazykiwi

Less than 12 hours from now the most vile, apartheid-installing legislation in the history of our country will become effective.

The legislation is divisive and designed to create a underclass that will be blamed for the inevitable results of Covid-19 making its way through a population group.

No matter the failing performance of protection attenuating, non-sterilising emergency ‘vaccines’. Ardern’s enemy was the virus, and now it’s the unvaxxed.

Yet not a day goes by when there isn’t new evidence of the increasing harm caused by these treatments, nor the futility of relying on them for personal or population health. We get none of this via the MSM, of course who continue to cherry-pick the narrative supporting anecdotes. But the published papers on this topic are starting to pile up.

So folks, tomorrow when you use that ‘Vaccine Passport’, know that you are publicly endorsing the state-sanctioned segregation of society and you are therefore implicitly supporting the denial of civil liberties to those of us who have asserted our moral, ethical and legal right to bodily autonomy.
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December 2, 2021 1:36pm
- rockape
  
  No I am not. I am just having a beer with my mates as I always do on a Friday. The only thing I will be endorsing is The Sprig and Fern !
  
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  December 2, 2021 4:28pm
- mawm
  
  Well said! But not only that, mark this day as the day that you gave up your freedom so that you could go to a pub, eat in a restaurant or continue to use a library that you are paying for. This is the start of a slippery slope.
  
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  December 2, 2021 6:57pm
  - rockape
    
    I haven’t given up any freedoms. I will tell you what though my good friends who are unvaccinated have. I got vaccinated because I think it’s sensible, I am not afraid of it and my wife who is a medic had hers early as did I at the first opportunity. I totally respect your decisions not to vaccinate. I don’t think any rights should be denied to those who refuse the vaccine and I constantly advocate for that. But don’t tell me I have lost any freedom because I haven’t.
    I will also be looking at inviting those who don’t want to vaccinate to be home for beerzies as I don’t want to lose their good company and friendship.
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:31pm
    - rockape
      
      Be home should read my home. For clarity.
      
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      December 2, 2021 9:37pm
- bythesea
  
  an uptick from me.
  
  and difficult to judge but it seems most people don’t care. It’s like the “hate” speech laws inhibiting freedom of speech – surprisingly most people don’t seem to care. I think they assume it won’t affect their lives and can’t get too excited about it all.
  
  And the “intelligensia” is all captured. You will notice our host has been completely quiet on this issue and this is the thinking end of the scale. Nothing on the Australian ructions either.
  
  I am not insightful enough to see why there are no “red lines” in individual liberty now in NZ. Apparently we must be at war or something …
  
  I think a pre-outcome moral dilemma should be posed to those supporting the mandate *enthusiastically*.
  
  If you have the mandate in your business and you still get covid infections in your employees and customers, how many would prove to you that it was all a waste of time – 1, 2, 3… more? tell us now before it starts.
  
  How many people did you sack because you thought they were “unclean” and were the problem.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:18pm
lifesgood

That great hero and dare I say it “Saint of the working classes”, Mickey Savage was a Catholic…he left it for a while but then went back to it. I don’t hear the left condemning him for his faith, do I? In fact it was probably his religious background that coloured a lot of his ideas. The left are hate filled and nasty, they make me want to spew.
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December 2, 2021 1:40pm
- MCōs
  
  “The left are hate filled and nasty, they make me want to spew.”
  
  You don’t sound particularly tolerant yourself.
  
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  December 2, 2021 3:53pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Just recognising the facts MCos.
    
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    December 2, 2021 6:30pm
- Inandout
  
  life, I remember an elderly Aunt who had a photo of Mickey hanging on her lounge wall, much as a Mexican would have the Virgin displayed.
  
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  December 2, 2021 6:14pm
Maggie Pie

WORD OF THE DAY…

SESSELPUPSER (n) german: literally “armchair-farter”, someone who gives orders from the comfort of their office but doesn’t do any of the work themselves.

Anyone come to mind? 😀
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December 2, 2021 1:51pm
- nathie
  
  The entire Labour Party?
  
  Starts from the top of course!
  
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  December 2, 2021 1:54pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My first thought was Andrew Coster.
    
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    December 2, 2021 2:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who pulled my finger – she said as she eased into the lazyboy?
  
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  December 2, 2021 5:22pm
- Bluegrass
  
  Lieben Frau, your literal interpretation of the German is wrong, but the rest of what you have copied out is correct, in the context.
  
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  December 3, 2021 3:55pm
nathie

For those who like to listen to MagicTalk (before it rebrands next year 🙁 ), noticed last night that live talkback has resumed from 10pm-midnight only.

Quite interesting, many retired (and some younger) rang in to say they missed the late night talkback and for many it is their “community”, where listeners get to know the host and regular callers (and most dissed having to tune into Lush on ZB after 10pm, as he is “hopeless”).

Hopefully MediaWorks will take all this on board …. and finally, bring back Tony Amos!
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December 2, 2021 1:52pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner’s mum loves late night talkback. Helps her sleep apparently.
  
  She heard the guy in charge at MagicTalk is sooo woke, he’s hoping to entice ‘Father Felix’ back. Although anyone would be better than Marcus Lush she reckons.
  
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  December 2, 2021 2:56pm
  - Inandout
    
    Maggie, how do you exhume the good Father Feely?
    
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    December 2, 2021 6:11pm
Fletch

It’s only just gone through but they are already amending the Covid-19 Health Response (Vaccinations).

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0385/latest/whole.html#LMS609380
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December 2, 2021 1:55pm
- krazykiwi
  
  This is primarily a widening of the worker vaxx mandate. Where the Act originally had airline crew, MIQ workers etc, it now includes: –
  
  10.1 Workers of a food and drink business or service
  10.2 Workers who carry out work at gyms
  10.3 Workers who carry out work at permitted event, regardless of whether the work is carried out before people arrive at, or leave, the permitted event
  10.4 Workers at close-proximity business or service
  
  Think of it as a tightening noose.
  
  Comply, or lose your job. Next up, I guess we’ll follow Austria’s lead: Austria Plans Enormous Fines, Incarceration For Vaccine Refusers.
  
  Remember, this isn’t about health. It’s about control.
  
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  December 2, 2021 2:52pm
  - Fletch
    
    I say we tell the govt to f-off. If everyone just ignored it, I don’t think they could do anything about it.
    
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    December 2, 2021 6:40pm
  - mawm
    
    Do not comply. The refugee centre at Whenuapai is not big enough to house all of us.
    
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    December 2, 2021 7:02pm
dime

Dana White, President of the UFC. Net worth 500 mill.

Gets the rona. heres what he did:

Now, it appears White has done the same.

“[Joe] said as soon as you get up in the morning, get tested,” White said when recounting his conversation with Rogan. “So I get up 9 o’clock Monday morning, get tested, I test positive. He said get monoclonal antibodies in you as soon as possible. So I did. By noon, I had the monoclonal antibodies in me and then he told me to do an NAD drip. I did that.

“I get up Tuesday, getting ready to shave, cleaning my razor, I could smell the alcohol. My taste and smell were back the next day by 11 o’clock in the morning. Then I took a dose of ivermectin yesterday and then I did a vitamin drip and then today I did another NAD drip. Could not feel better. Feel like a million bucks. I’m doing two-a-day workouts by the way for the next 10 days while I have COVID, I’m in quarantine. I got my smell and taste back in less than 24 hours.”

I cant be assed researching the ivermectin thing.

But I know Dana has done unlimited cash and has done some cutting edge medical stuff in the past. Stem cell clinics in Germany cured an issue he had etc.
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December 2, 2021 2:29pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Monoclonal antibodies I don’t think ordinary mortals can get these in nz yet. In NZ you get sent a box of Panadol and some muesli bars and some instructions.
  
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  December 2, 2021 8:20pm
Maggie Pie

Submissions close today…

‘WHAT IS A DIGITAL IDENTITY’

https://digital.govt.nz/digital-government/programmes-and-projects/digital-identity-programme/
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December 2, 2021 2:30pm
Swifty

More Stuff dirtiness.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300468594/christopher-luxon-gives-leadership-rival-simon-bridges-finance-and-infrastructure-portfolios

Note what Cooke says first, “It is likely that portfolios were negotiated as part of a deal….” (notice the word likely and that no evidence whatsoever is given for Cooke’s assertion) but then adds two lines later “Luxon denied that there was was any deal done when asked on Thursday…” with the snide insinuation that Luxon is being less than truthful for a casual reader.

Cooke could have added “this likely means that a deal was made since Thursday, possibly over the weekend….”

But he didn’t. Why not I wonder?
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December 2, 2021 2:54pm
- MCōs
  
  Well Mr Luxon is hardly going to admit he had a wee word with Mr Bridges is he?
  
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  December 2, 2021 4:08pm
  - Swifty
    
    You overlook the timing issue.
    
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    December 2, 2021 5:14pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Actually I leaped to the exact same conclusion that Cooke did – that Luxon had lied when asked about deals earlier. I thought Bayly was supposed to be the finance portfolio whizz kid. Pretty sure Luxon said this on Monday or Tuesday anyway.
  
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  December 2, 2021 4:13pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Bayley is as much of a finance portfolio whizz kid as I am a nuclear physicist.
    
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    December 2, 2021 8:09pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Don’t forget you heard it here first last Thursday @ 9:36 am.
  
  Way before Chris or Simo knew about it.
  
  LOL!!
  
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  December 2, 2021 5:23pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300468594/christopher-luxon-gives-leadership-rival-simon-bridges-finance-and-infrastructure-portfolios#comments
Someone else on KB has probably mentioned this already, if so, sorry.
But reading the comments it looks as though Labour & green supporters had a few extra hours to post their vitriol, as most of the comments are negative.
An “orchestrated litany of venom”.
My interpretation: Luxon has the govt very worried already.
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December 2, 2021 3:49pm
Maggie Pie

Just been out on the upper-deck sunning the perineum and listening to Luxo being interviewed on ZB.

Incredibly, those 2 cringing-wokesters that run the show, have done nothing but bag him all afternoon about his ‘housing portfolio’….and Chris walks right into it. Too much Mister Nice Guy.

Honestly, if he doesn’t take a couple of concrete pills… and HTFU, he’ll go the way of Todd.

Only trying to help.
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December 2, 2021 4:19pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  When you are sunning that part I think of KFC. I imagine it is finger lickin good.
  
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  December 2, 2021 10:20pm
Nickc2

If you ever wondered what life would be like in NZ if Cindy was successful in imitating her BFF (Comrade Daniel Andrews Vic Premier Aust), take a look at this.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/12/outrageous-and-out-of-all-proportion.html
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December 2, 2021 4:39pm
- mawm
  
  She’s getting there.
  
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  December 2, 2021 7:07pm
NZer In Exile

Sounds like Luxon is no religious fanatic. He uses the teachings of Jesus as a generic moral guide by the sound of it. Lefty loonies need to get past their own knee-jerk bigotry.
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December 2, 2021 5:54pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…

Luxon orders Wagyu Beef for dinner with Bernaise Sauce and twice cooked chips.
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December 2, 2021 6:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jacinda’s favourite chef is a bit of fan of NZ Wagyu
  
  https://app.ckbk.com/reference/fusi17369b01s001e105/wagyu-beef
  
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  December 2, 2021 7:18pm
  - sooty
    
    Is that for the wedding breakfast?
    
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    December 2, 2021 9:41pm
Hugh Jarse

Seeing that great action shot of the three reporters running after Luxon reminds me of seeing three old nags running down the back straight at the Hokitika Races trying desperately to catch up.
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December 2, 2021 7:08pm
Maggie Pie

Milkey and Mike haven’t had much to say today ?

Can’t believe they’d bother to log-in just to downtick people.

😀
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December 2, 2021 7:16pm
- MCōs
  
  Hasn’t been an awful lot going on, apart from general sniping at the resident rabid Marxists, as if anyone else is listening.
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:42pm
Tauhei Notts

Wait until about 11 a.m. Friday, but if that Dow Jones index dips below 33800 then be very wary about your international portfolio.
Yeah, I know, free advice is what you pay for it.
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December 2, 2021 10:24pm
Rich Prick

It’s happening, in approximately 2 minutes I’m no longer a citizen of a free New Zealand, I have no passport to go about my rather ordinary life. Fuck you Cindy.
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