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mikenmildagain

Happy St Andrew’s Day!
I hope all Kiwibloggers with Caledonian ancestry will celebrate in true Scots style by flying the saltire, eating oats, drinking Scotch and greeting your fellows with the traditional Glasgow kiss.
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November 30, 2021 8:00am
- All_on_Red
  
  Plus of course a nice jab of Heroin followed by a Battered Mars bar then off to collect the Dole
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:32am
  - Flossie
    
    Would it be okay to post something similar if it were – say – Samoa’s national day? I expect that would be considered racist.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:33am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It definitely would not. Offend their local mores and you could be on your way back home within the hour.
      
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      November 30, 2021 5:21pm
  - Random T Person
    
    And an IrnBru. My mother was born in Scotland, Forres to be precise. So I’m half Scot.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:42am
    - Biscuit
      
      Moi aussi, RTP, re the maternal lineage.
      
      My Mum, born in Clydebank, came to New Zealand on one of those post-war immigrant-assisted passages when she was 20 years old.
      
      Best thing she ever did, she always reckoned – and not just because she met a Kiwi boy, wedded him and less than 5 years later produced the wonderful, sainted, drop-dead-georgeous, v. bashful soul that is me, heh heh.
      
      Will have a wee dram in her honour a few times during the day…
      
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      November 30, 2021 10:49am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Of course, the Greeks & Russians will also be celebrating St. Andrews Day – he is a patron saint of those countries as well.
    
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    November 30, 2021 10:15am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Changing my name to Rab C Nesbitt for the day . . .
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:35am
- KevO'Brien
  
  As promised yesterday:
  22nd International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science ICCF-22
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kznnhIpyNb4
  
  Bob Greenyer’s presentation. Enjoy the new chemistry.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:51am
- Pharmachick
  
  Mr Pharma (Glasgow born) was suggesting a wee single malt this evening instead of wine before dinner. Who am I to complain…
  
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  November 30, 2021 3:24pm
Captain Mainwaring

The walk around Lake Waikaremoana used to be one of the greatest walks in New Zealand (no I won’t use that woke ‘A’ word).
About four years ago the Labour government apparently handed over its management to Tuhoe.
Since then, no maintenance, trashed huts, blocked off boat ramps, vandalism and shite everywhere, not to mention dogs let into the areas fenced off to protect kiwi.
And earlier yesterday I saw a story telling me that within 200 years of the arrival of the first Maori, 40% of the native forests in NZ had been burnt. Connect the dots.
Why am I so angry that it’s this culture which is being greased up to take over our currently civilised country?
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November 30, 2021 8:01am
- Frank the tank
  
  I think you’ll find it was a National government (happy to be corrected if not true) that agreed for the keys to be handed to Tuhoe under a ToW settlement (ironic because Tuhoe never signed the ToW).
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:04am
  - Ruahine
    
    Yep National. Chris Finlayson was the culprit.
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:23am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Thanks for the correction chaps.
      
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      November 30, 2021 8:36am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Don’t feel bad Capt’n, I blame labour that generally fs over life all the way to toe jam . . .
        
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        November 30, 2021 9:37am
    - Jack5
      
      Finlayson! The man who also negotiated the sweetheart deal for Ngai Tahu in the South Island, then ended up Minister for Treaty of Waitangi negotiations.
      
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      November 30, 2021 10:55am
  - Simon
    
    Yep dripping wet Tories and Labo just pick it up from there. Like everything else.
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:34am
  - rouppe
    
    Yes, but it is the same old reasons for why this is happening.
    
    Tuhoe are complaining they aren’t being given enough money
    
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    November 30, 2021 10:55am
- Leofric
  
  Consider it a metaphor for the country as a whole, Captain. A few self-interested unelected brown elites will do quite well, thank you, while the country crumbles.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:04am
- Raphael
  
  because the world has pushed the narrative that the “Colonisers” destroyed things while the indigenous people were it’s protectors.
  
  remind me what happened to the Moa?
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:10am
  - mandk
    
    All nine species of moa, and the haast eagle, and the huia.
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:14am
    - Russ the Muss
      
      Maori are not Indigenous to NZ. They are Native. I.e. they migrated here and are not the first peoples, the aboriginal people in Oz are Indigenous to that country. Long story short we are ALL immigrants to dear old Aotearoa.
      
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      November 30, 2021 9:14am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Downtick for using the ‘A’ word.
        
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        November 30, 2021 11:07am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You seem confused. You think the Australian aborigines evolved in Australia?
        Technically, both Maori and Australian Aborigines are aboriginal peoples – the first human inhabitants of their respective land masses. But the term indigenous peoples has long since come to refer to aboriginal peoples.
        
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        November 30, 2021 2:46pm
    - Flossie
      
      I bet there are others too
      
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      November 30, 2021 9:18am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Correction re the Huia. The last Huia – a male – was shot for its feathers by some bloke around 1920 near Wellington if my memory serves me well. Open for correction.
      
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      November 30, 2021 10:18am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Huia survived into the 20th century – last confirmed sighting in 1906.
        But from subfossil reamains it is clear that the bird had a wide range across the North Island before the arrival of Polynesian settlers in the 13-14th Centuries.
        
        The bird disappeared over much of its range because of Polynesian hunting, predation by Polynesian rat and dog, and from removal of habitat – Polynesian burning of forest.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huia
        
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        November 30, 2021 11:59am
      - Leofric
        
        Maggie, where does that fit into the noble guardian savage myth?
        
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        November 30, 2021 1:36pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        @Maggy – ah the kiore… does anybody else remember when Tiritirimatangi was populated with them to “save the kiore”, only in about a dozen years later the call came to “eradicate the kiore from Tiritiri to save the native birds”.
        
        DoC – on my “not the best” list (all the talent arrives, then leaves again suddenly).
        
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        November 30, 2021 3:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The noble guardian savage would appear to be a Romantic/ Racist construct… according to the Guardian.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/apr/15/socialsciences.highereducation
        
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        November 30, 2021 3:31pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Kiore or the Polynesian rat is a widespread pest …responsible for the eradication of countless populations of birds throughout SE Asia and the Pacific
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesian_rat
        
        But to some folks in NZ, Kiore is a taonga.
        
        https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03014223.2020.1785515?journalCode=tnzz20
        
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        November 30, 2021 3:39pm
    - David Garrett
      
      mandk: and about 30 other bird species IIRC…I am pretty sure more became extinct under the tender care of the Special People rather than after the evil honkey arrived…not that they didn’t fuck up badly too: rabbits, possums, ferrets and stoats (the last two to control the rabbits) not to mention gorse and blackberry…good for fences in frigid Scotland; an environmental disaster here.
      
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      November 30, 2021 10:37am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        That’s actually a rough draw, in that about 50% of the bird species now extinct in New Zealand were extinct before the white man got here. Extra points to Maori, perhaps, because they didn’t have the same technology
        
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        November 30, 2021 10:46am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The stats are worse than that for the Polynesian extinction..
        
        At least 60% of our extinct bird fauna disappeared soon after Polynesian arrival on our shores.
        (at least 30 of the 51 extinct bird species) and populations of other species reduced to a perilous state.
        The list of New Zealand species known to have become extinct since human settlement includes one bat, at least 51 birds, three frogs, three lizards, one freshwater fish, four plant species, and a number of invertebrates. Of these, 21 bird species, the bat, fish and two lizards survived 500 years of human and kiore predation. Although often severely depleted they appeared in European drawings, written records and museum collections. But as new, effective predators arrived, they slipped into extinction.
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/extinctions/page-4
        
        It is commonly stated that the rate of extinction in NZ in the last 200 years has been unparalleled… but this is wrong.
        
        . Evidence for massive habitat
        degradation during Polynesian times is overwhelming(McGlone, 1983) and most extinctions can be dated with reasonable certainty to the period after human colonisation.
        
        https://predatorfreenz.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/NZJEcol12_s_11.pdf
        
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        November 30, 2021 2:38pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I find it fascinating that some Kiwiblog want to refer to the first human settlement in New Zealand in a pejorative fashion, as if it were somehow less damaging to the existing ecology than human arrival in other parts of the world. As if Maori ecological damage somehow lessened the impact of European ecological damage. It’s not a contest.
        New Zealand’s ecology is still suffering from an ever heavier human footprint. That probably matters more than keeping a scorecard of which people drove which species to extinction.
        
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        November 30, 2021 2:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @mikenmildagain
        
        Until Richard Holdaway undertook his research we had little understanding of how devastating kiore had been to our avian fauna.
        
        We knew the mega-birds had been rendered extinct, but we had no idea of how rich our small bird fauna had been.
        
        Until Brian Molloy and Matt McGlone and a few others started looking at the ages of forest/fire deposits on our tussock-lands, it was thought that either the lands never held forests or they disappeared because of a cooling climate.
        
        https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0111328
        
        There’s no value in clinging to the myths of yester -years if we want to manage the ecosystems that remain.
        
        I know you get a great kick of pointing out that I don’t care for the environment, but perhaps it is time for you to up-date yourself about NZ natural history.
        
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        November 30, 2021 3:53pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I don’t for one minute think you don’t care about the environment, Maggy. I’m just interested in calling out the Kiwibloggers (not including you) that would like to imagine Maori are somehow responsible for ecological devastation. It’s completely ahistorical, akin to getting upset with the Vikings for deforesting Iceland.
        Ecology needs to be concerned with the future – what we know now are the devastating affects of our currently unsustainable uses of land and water.
        
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        November 30, 2021 4:04pm
  - gorse
    
    There are no indigenous people here. We are all immigrants.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:16am
    - Jack5
      
      Human beings evolved in Africa. Does that mean there are no indigenous people outside Africa?
      
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      November 30, 2021 10:56am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Correct. We’re all local to the Great Rift Valley.
        
        Gonna be a contested land claim there!
        
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        November 30, 2021 7:19pm
- LauraNorda
  
  Capt’n was it not Finlayson when he was Treaty Negotiation’s Minister under Key’s National Government who gave this National Park to Tuhoe?
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:14am
- RiP NZ
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/iwi-say-no-to-rhythm-vines-over-covid-19-risk-within-tairawhiti/TK3I6IM45MKJ7HFYVQO7BW4JFI/
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/29/iwi-wants-to-block-holidaymakers-from-bay-of-islands/
  
  So Iwi can and likely will stop an iconic event, even if it was shown to be operating within government guidelines ( for what they are worth). The gentleman quoted provides examples of cultural events cancelled so Live Nation should follow suit. Except I imagine those cultural events run on hand outs – not commercial realities.
  
  Meanwhile, in the Bay of Islands a group seeks to unlawfully impede holiday makers, further strangle anyone trying to make a dollar and generally seek to impose themselves in the most inconvenient way.
  
  Some government leadership on these issues would be nice – by why change I guess.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:17am
  - KiwiSapper
    
    “….Some government leadership on these issues would be nice – by why change I guess..”
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    Get up to speed, the “leadership” is there as it was this “Government” which has now legalised the illegal roadblocks being erected on our roads and highways by maori.
    Not the “leadership” you desire?
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:42am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It’s the government “leadership” that led to this and there’s shit tons more of it to follow, compadres.
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:43am
    - RightFirstTime
      
      Don’t you mean “comrades” rather than “compadres”?
      
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      November 30, 2021 9:41am
      - sooty
        
        Look on the good side, no Waitangi day.
        
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        November 30, 2021 11:33am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    What exactly is the relevance of whether an event is run on commercial lines or on hand-outs, to the likelihood of its risk of spreading covid?
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:17am
  - pdm
    
    Will Tairawhiti Iwi say an emphatic NO to the upcoming Prime Ministerial wedding to the Fisherman for the same reasons?
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:27am
    - sooty
      
      How can they in the red zone?
      
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      November 30, 2021 11:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Assume R&V was cancelled because of the wedding to which they were not invited.
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:38pm
- Clyde
  
  Captain, you are incorrect in one thing. The East Polynesians burned over 70% of NZ’s flora. You might recall a recent finding of an ash layer in Antarctica which is further evidence of this environmental devastation. Of course these findings are now disputed by these same descendants of these East Polynesians as not being “sensitive”. Give me a break!! What the East Polynesians want is power, money and control and when they have it over areas like that recently reported, the area falls into neglect and disarray. What a surprise that is.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:11am
- Rich Prick
  
  Welcome to The New World Order. It’s not better, of course, but it’s what Cindy has worked her political life for. Now go and stand in your corner according to race and vaccination status, and be limited by her rules.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    How long will it take a National/ACT Coalition Govt to unpick all this New World Order crap and probably even more importantly, do/will they want to?
    So far, I’ve only heard Collins say they will rescind any act(s) pertaining to 3 Waters and return water harvesting and infrastructure to Councils.
    
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    November 30, 2021 11:14am
- lastmanstanding
  
  But but but Captain. Think of all that Maori Science has given us all the inventions the Enlightenment…………………………………………
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:32am
  - tf78
    
    lastmanstanding, I recently watched a doco on the Roman and Egyptian waterways. I didn’t notice the Maori offering any such genius to better their water supply.
    
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    November 30, 2021 10:00am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      In fairness, they didn’t need it. Water supply in 14th-century NZ was a lot more readily available than in the ancient Mediterranean
      
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      November 30, 2021 10:49am
- David Garrett
  
  Captain: Lake Waikaremoana has some very pleasant memories for me (long story) among them hooking my first trout…sadly it broke the line.
  
  I have visited three times in the last five or six years, the first time before it was handed over to Tuhoe and twice since. As you say, the place has gone downhill ever since it was handed over in a “treaty settlement” which as someone else has noted is richly ironic, since Tuhoe never signed the bloody thing.
  
  On my second visit there was a stark difference between the management of the shop and campground, and the Visitors Centre, managed by the iwi. The so called Visitors Centre was devoid of any maps or pamphlets, and it was very clear you weren’t welcome – unless you were there to pay for boat trips to various parts of the Great Walk – for those chosen few, they were very friendly. – once the credit card had cleared.
  
  On my most recent trip last summer, things were even worse. The woman at the Visitors Centre said “go and ask at the shop” when I asked for a track map. I wandered down to the waterside where some young Maori boat guys were getting ready for the day’s work. They were a bit wary at first, but warmed up when I mentioned the woman at the Visitors Centre.
  
  One of them said “Oh yeah she’s a bitch that one!” before laughing in that Billy T James way Maori outside cities still do. They tried their best to answer my questions, and when we parted one of them apologised for “that bitch up there” and said they hoped I would come back again.
  
  I suspect the iwi will soon close access to what is no longer a National Park – close access that is other than to gang members to tend their ganga crops. Within ten years Te Urewera will be overrun with rats possums and stoats. An absolute tragedy for one of the most beautiful parts of the country.
  
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  November 30, 2021 10:21am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Well, this degeneration illustrates that we have a clear choice in front of us:
    
    1) Social Justice and equity; or
    
    2) A pleasant, clean, safe and well-ordered society.
    
    Is it any coincidence that the more of the former we have had forced on the country, the less of the latter we now have as a result? No, because these things are mutually exclusive. Look at South Africa as an outstanding example.
    
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    November 30, 2021 12:10pm
Benedict Yu

Went to the hot pools in New Brighton last night. Thoroughly recommended if you are in Christchurch.

On the way back popped into Pak n Save.

Got wine and other essentials. Headed to a checkout with only one customer in front. As she walks away I put my groceries on the belt.

Girl about 17 says “stop I need to sterilise the whole belt”.

Benedict asks why m

“Omicron”.

I ask if it is store policy. She says no but it makes me feel safe.

I don’t know whether to blame jacinda or the education system. ???
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November 30, 2021 8:02am
- Frank the tank
  
  “I don’t know whether to blame jacinda or the education system”
  
  Why not both?
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:05am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yea, I know the feeling. My granddaughters avoid talking to me if they can and it’s all because I told them Man-Made Global Warming is a load of crap.
    
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    November 30, 2021 2:13pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I know what you mean.
  New World Long Bay the ‘door guy’ had on a blue mask and one of those plastic face helmets as well- he also had Glasses!
  Gloves too and of course was sterilising everything
  *sigh*
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:11am
  - G152
    
    At least he’s employed
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:28am
  - Inandout
    
    AoR, the door guy was sheltering behind his protective apparatus. The world will always have ‘sheltered’ people to draw from. Interesting that NW are privately run so the owner may be excessively woke.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:39am
    - Joely Doe
      
      Woke has nothing to do with it. The employer will be terrified of Health & Safety.
      If any employee feels unsafe, the employer better do all they can to reduce risk, allay fears, and enforce compliance otherwise the wrath of MBIE will come down from above, to smite the tainted business.
      
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      November 30, 2021 11:09am
- cmm
  
  This “my truth” and safe space crap is insane, but is not limited to 17 yo check out workers. I also see it in 30+ yo computer programmers too.
  
  Many of the insane policies that we see in some workplaces are just to make people feel safe – ie are just theatre.
  
  At one of my bigger customers, the policy is that if you’re vaxxed then you don’t have to wear a mask. If you’re unvaxxed then you must wear a mask.
  
  Why? To make people feel safe! You can talk to them about risk factors etc the whole day long and they don’t listen- what matters is how people feel.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:12am
  - Lou2
    
    I would guess that the mask is another pressure to get vaxxed.
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:17am
  - mawm
    
    I’m seeing it in tertiary educated seniors who have had successful careers. The fear of the unvaxxed is palpable.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:31am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Welcome to another day of lockdown tyranny.
  
  Don’t worry my children, very soon you will be able to visit friends and family and stay long enough to use their toilet.
  
  You may be able to talk to your next door neighbors over the fence.
  
  Beware of the unclean infectious unvaccinated that are infecting us all with covid.
  
  How is that promised freedom feeling now.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:13am
- LauraNorda
  
  That is similar BY, I got told to get out of New World in Turangi at 3.00pm yesterday afternoon.
  
  My heinous crime, I took shopping bags which New World had previously sold me into the store. They now apparently are unclean. They aren’t in most other supermarkets I need to go too.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:18am
  - alloytoo
    
    Didn’t we used to have those factory produced bags untouched by human hands until they reached the store, cheap as chips so the stores supplied them free.
    
    Had many other uses one you got home……
    
    What were they made of again……?
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:33am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      And now the ocean will be full of discarded one-use face masks, instead of multiple-use plastic bags.
      
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      November 30, 2021 12:14pm
  - kevn
    
    @Laura… That’s bonkers.
    Think of it as a (mad) IQ test.
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:55am
    - LauraNorda
      
      Kev, you should have seen the unhealthy specimen who demanded I depart their establishment. The term “Fat Slug” would have put them down as a failure by Weight Watchers. Regretfully, this is not our first experience of unbridled power at this establishment. I shall not darken their doorstep ever again.
      
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      November 30, 2021 11:45am
      - calendar girl
        
        As a mere customer, that’s the only power you have , LN.
        
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        November 30, 2021 2:44pm
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Bring back the plastic bags, I say.
    
    Remember you need to use your reusable bag about 250 time before you have reduced your carbon footprint to less than the single use plastic bags, but we all know that the plastic bags have additional uses like rubbish bags, lunch bags etc.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:34am
    - mawm
      
      Now I have to purchase bin bags and lunch bags. I guess it makes sense to somebody else.
      
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      November 30, 2021 1:25pm
  - 7kiwi11
    
    If only there was some sort of convenient single use shopping bag available!
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:48am
    - sooty
      
      That the bottom didnt fall out off.
      Remember the old movies were the old biddy wanted her shopping double bagged!
      
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      November 30, 2021 11:41am
- thirteenstars
  
  Ardern came from that education system.
  
  It’s called a vicious circle. The checkout belt was merely a viscous circle.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:29am
- dime
  
  her parents. or lack of a strong father.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:48am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    A society comprised of single women and effeminate men: an authoritarian’s dream!
    
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    November 30, 2021 12:16pm
- rouppe
  
  I can hardly wait for the first time I walk into a cafe without a mask and get challenged.
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Blame the girl for being a deluded sheep
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:08pm
- Scooter
  
  Blame the media, if we had no Internet or TV there would be no covid
  
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  December 1, 2021 1:21am
I remember when

“Low vaxx rates divide the region:”
No they don’t.
The government has decided on a percentage that they say will save the vulnerable.
It could have been 75%, 80% or 85%.
So we have a map with vast areas of mountain, forest and low population density red.
Low chance of catching a glimpse of another person let alone covid.
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November 30, 2021 8:07am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Government and media divide the nation Fixed it for ya.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:44am
- cmm
  
  Words are important.
  
  Cindy is saying people should get vaccinated to protect themselves from the unvaccinated.
  
  It is a pity that those vulnerable are not being given the information that could really help: ensure you have enough Vit D.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:04am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    In reality in the real World, not that Cindy knows what the real World is, it is the unvaccinated that need to protect themselves from the vaccinated.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:37am
  - Don Beckett
    
    ….and zinc.
    
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    November 30, 2021 10:23am
Tomtoddy

I turned 76 yesterday. My first present delivered early morning was a call to say I have Covid.

I am double vaccinated, adding to the stats that prove the vaxx doesn’t stop Covid. I have typical flu symptoms but nothing to get anxious about. The only reason I got tested was I was looking for relief from sore stomach muscles from prolonged coughing and the system demanded a test. My wife and I had been reluctant to get vaccinated and we are still not comfortable with many aspects of the deal. However, my son-in-law is a leading Australasian respiratory specialist and he and our daughter put the heat on us. His claim was, “it wont stop you getting the lurgi. It will keep you out of hospital and slow down your spreading”. Seems like he is right so far.
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November 30, 2021 8:07am
- Raphael
  
  Get well soon Tom.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:11am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Keep us posted on what it ‘s like – I have heard several other reports which say it’s “just like the ‘flu”.
    There’s nothing new under the sun.
    
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    November 30, 2021 10:26am
- All_on_Red
  
  Happy Birthday
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:12am
- cmm
  
  Happy birthday. I hope you get a better present in 2022!
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:13am
- alex Masterley
  
  Bugger, get better.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:17am
- Lou2
  
  Or you might have had the same symptoms whether vaccinated or not. We will never know.
  I laugh when people say look this anti vaxxer died of covid or this double jabbed had no symptoms as they are the only available narratives. Plenty of unvaxxed who have had mild symptoms and as we have seen, many double vaxxed still die. But joining the dots….
  
  Hope you feel better soon ?
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:21am
  - artemisia
    
    Vaxxed or not, those with mild potential symptoms are not going to get tested unless they have to (like Tomtoddy was). Especially if not retired and it means the whole household has to self isolate and not go to work or school.
    
    So they carry on walking among us spreading mostly mild or asymptomatic, along with natural immunity. Mostly, not all. And the pandemic becomes an epidemic, if it has not already, and follow the Farr’s Law bell curve.
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:39am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      Well the vaccinated can carry a higher viral load without showing symptoms, so the real super spreaders are the vaccinated themselves.
      
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      November 30, 2021 9:39am
    - tf78
      
      artemisia, they don’t want to call it an epidemic as they will lose their emergency powers.
      
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      November 30, 2021 10:22am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    You are quite right that individual anecdotes prove absolutely nothing. You have to look at numbers, and proportions of numbers, as a whole. Those numbers tell you that all else being equal, vaccinated people who catch covid are far less likely to get sick and die than are unvaccinated people who catch covid. May those odds also be in Tomtoddy’s favour
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:23am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      What numbers?
      
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      November 30, 2021 12:19pm
- alloytoo
  
  Get well soon.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:34am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Get well soon TT, and be glad you have a respiratory specialist in the family!
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:35am
- CAKE FACE1
  
  Out of interest, do you have any idea of how you caught the Rona?
  
  For example, have you been to any gang patching ceremonies recently?
  
  I assume that you’re in Auckland…
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:44am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Happy Birthday Ton, get well soon. Trombones on the way!
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:45am
- Surely Knott
  
  Thanks for sharing. It’s really helpful to get first hand information about peoples experience. Get Well soon TT.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:02am
- ClanMcleod
  
  This was what Plan B talked about all along. Protect the vulnerable and at risk. That’s it. Get well soon.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:22am
- Taieri
  
  “it wont stop you getting the lurgi. It will keep you out of hospital and slow down your spreading”. Seems like he is right so far.
  ————————
  
  Two of my relatives are living in the same household overseas. One is fully vaccinated, the other one is not. Both got Covid about 3 weeks ago. The vaccinated one had some symptoms but they were pretty mild and are now all gone. The other one nearly died and is still in a very poor condition but seems to be improving.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:31am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Good the unvaxxed one pulled through. What were their ages and general health like before, including BMI?
    
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    November 30, 2021 3:10pm
- Aunty
  
  Sorry to hear that, Tom. I hope you get better soon. And please keep us updated on your progress and how you are experiencing the infection. And what of your wife? Has she picked it up too or has she tested negative? And finally, happy birthday.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:33am
- curry4me
  
  Tomtoddy: Get well soon.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:38am
- slightlyrighty
  
  The Vax could well have saved your arse.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300465994/popular-journalist-and-staunch-antivaxxer-dies-of-covid19
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:40am
  - tf78
    
    slightly, did they mention he was 80 something.
    
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    November 30, 2021 10:23am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Maybe. Alternatively, it could well have not saved his arse.
    
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    November 30, 2021 12:21pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  FLCCC have a good list of over the counter supplements etc that look to be effective in reducing how sick you get: https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/
  saline nasal flushes several times a day are apparently pretty effective at reducing quantity viral particles transferred to your lungs.
  
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  November 30, 2021 10:21am
  - Ehlana
    
    I’d guess pretty much all the things you use to relieve the symptoms of other viral infections, like cold or flu, would help. Keep warm, rest, drink plenty of (non-alcoholic) fluids, take paracetamol or ibuprofen as required.
    Lemon, honey & ginger are recommended. And personally, I always find chocolate beneficial…
    
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    November 30, 2021 11:57am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Any idea how you may have caught it, Tom? Good luck with a quick recovery.
  
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  November 30, 2021 10:22am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Hey guys. Thanks for all the wishes. You’re a great team -not quite 5 mill but quality over quantity.
  
  Its just a bad flu. Temperature up, lots of coughing, running nose, achy joints – something we have all experienced at some time. No idea where I got it. I have been pretty careful, avoiding gang hangouts. My wife is tested but waiting results. I have some other observations but will record these later. Cheers guys.
  
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  November 30, 2021 12:07pm
Maggie Pie

Auckland Mayor Phil Goff tells 1ZB News….

“He and his Council have ZERO TOLERENCE for gun crime in the city. Same as we have for errant motorists straying into Bus Lanes”
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November 30, 2021 8:10am
- mandk
  
  Does that mean armed cops will soon be deployed to shoot up motorists in bus lanes?
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:17am
  - alloytoo
    
    no, they will deploy photographers in areas of high gun violence and fine them when they fire guns outside the prescribed hours.
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:35am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    Don’t be daft! It’s hard to squeeze money out of dead people!
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:51am
  - Alwynn
    
    No. They are going to sub-contract the work to the gangs.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:52am
- I remember when
  
  Has Mayor Phil and his Council’s ZERO TOLERENCE for gun crime had the same effect as covid vaccination.
  There is still gun crime – just less of it and lower fatalities.
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Firearm incidents in NZ about 3/day.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-gun-violence-houses-are-getting-shot-up-people-gunned-down-more-than-900-firearm-offences-this-year/OZRH2IN5KNOZV2LYZUGBH2XCQI/
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November 30, 2021 8:10am
- kowtow
  
  That just can’t be right.
  
  Ardern’s confiscation promised to make NZ a safer place.
  
  How’d that work out for y’all?
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:17am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Jacindelivery
    
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    November 30, 2021 10:44am
  - Biscuit
    
    Be kind, kowtow, Jacinda TV told me last night that Minister Poto Williams ‘attempts’ to personally contact all the police staff who have been involved in injury-sustaining incidences.
    
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    November 30, 2021 10:56am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I guess that’ll be a full time job, then
      
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      November 30, 2021 7:30pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  I have a car and was not involved with any high speed police pursuits
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:19am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    How’d ya do that?
    I thought it was compulsory //.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:11am
  - pdm
    
    Me too Mr B – got my driving licence on 5 October 1961.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:32am
- Ruahine
  
  Since Auckland has been shutdown more people have died from illegal killings than have died from Covid.
  Quick get the vax says Jax.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:39am
- lastmanstanding
  
  But but but Cindy told me she was taking the guns away from the bad people to stop gun crime.
  
  You dont think she told me a porky…………………..
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:36am
  - Don Beckett
    
    If you didn’t already know, we are living in a police state. Have just returned from seeing my doctor. We always have a chat after the consultation. He told me he was talking to a friend of his, who was chatting on the phone to another bloke. After discussing various topics, the matter of Jacinda came up – and after slagging her as many of us do, the other guy, in a typical blokey farewell comment, said “OK, see ya later, I’m off to shoot the horse.”
    A few hours later, he had a knock on the door, and when he opened it was confronted by two burly policemen, who told him that he could be arrested for threatening to shoot the Prime Minister if he didn’t have an explanation. Of course he replied that he never mentioned the PM in his throw-away parting comment, and he was told that he was now under surveillance, and any further talk like that he would be arrested & imprisonned.
    So obviously the police have algorithms picking up any stray language on phones, internet & all social media platforms.
    You have been warned.
    All Heil Nazinda.
    
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    November 30, 2021 12:50pm
    - mawm
      
      And thereby the mantra of “if you haven’t done anything wrong you have no need to worry” goes out the window.
      
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      November 30, 2021 1:42pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  If you have a low-IQ ideologically driven govt that practices Maori clinentalism (minimal policing, diminished effort on law and order) that allows gangs to massively increase in numbers then you shouldn’t be at all surprised when gun and other violent crime escalates as a result.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:50am
I remember when

Have we got to a stage where we need covid as a crutch.
Why has Omicron not been suggested to be the beginning of the end of covid.
Multiple spike choices, apparently mild.
Sounds like the sort of result we are looking for, but no.
Japanese result followed by this.
Things starting to wind down.
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November 30, 2021 8:12am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Presumably though, those who continue to insist that the vaccine isn’t safe because there hasn’t been enough time to see if there are long-term side-effects, will want to wait at least a couple of years before reaching any conclusion about whether omicron is the end of covid as a deadly threat
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:40am
  - bronny1
    
    most of us won’t be worried about whether its a long term threat, just as we are not worried that delta is (unless you are obese or have many illnesses).
    I’m not sure of your point?
    
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    November 30, 2021 5:01pm
- Ruahine
  
  Not we. Irw.
  Power hungry govt’s and individuals. If you and your Gov’t is hopeless at actually governing. Well dictate. It is so much easier.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:40am
- tf78
  
  Irememberwhen, they have suggested just that in Australia, (in the grown up states of course).
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:41am
- bronny1
  
  and bangladesh – 15% vaxxed, basically a petri dish for covid with overcrowded/unsanitary conditions, and no deaths atm. Of course, they take lots of prophylactics for other illnesses there, could be something in it.
  
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  November 30, 2021 5:00pm
Truman lodge

Does anyone know the origins of the gun incident in Glen Eden?

Was it Club related?
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November 30, 2021 8:13am
- burt
  
  No gun incident comrade, you are mistaken, we took the guns off everyone.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:16am
  - pdm
    
    Believe everything the `woke’ Coster the Imposter told you about it – probably no mention of race unless some pakeha were involved.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:34am
- Maggie Pie
  
  According to Simon Dallow last night, it was more ‘Covid’ related
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:16am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Maggie, why are you still watching that clown?
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:43am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      You’re actually quite right there Cap.
      I don’t need another pussy in my life. I’ve already got one.
      
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      November 30, 2021 9:06am
- Simon
  
  “the gun incident” lol.
  
  Death penalty NZ style carried out. Its a form of justice that comes from the shower of woke leftist shit running the country.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:31am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    My first thought was: “man has had enough of Covid tyranny; snaps; shot by the tyranny enforcement agencies.” Could be wrong. Could be correct.
    
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    November 30, 2021 12:26pm
- Surely Knott
  
  The news reported, police and neighbours saying it is not gang related. (Danube Rd incident) But earlier in the day the herald reported a neighbour saying he mentioned ” to her that he had “got into a bit of trouble with some people recently”” . A couple of headhunters were out on their bikes that afternoon when usually there aren’t any around. Coincidence, maybe. The shooting three days before was a couple of roads over and that was gang related. (Virgo Place)
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:14am
- RiP NZ
  
  Truman – I guessed it would be a K.O house, and a gang member.
  
  First one confirmed – ‘Investigators are trying to determine what provoked a West Auckland man to set fire to his Kainga Ora house then open fire on armed police before he was shot dead’
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:36am
  - Truman lodge
    
    Rip NZ
    
    Yeah probably KO house. However please remember we have clubs not gangs. I think you mean “club” member.
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:45pm
- rouppe
  
  Whanau ora client.
  
  Again.
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:20am
- tf78
  
  Truman, Muskets Wars, 2021 version.
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:48am
  - Truman lodge
    
    Tf78
    
    That’s actually a good point. This time the crown has disarmed the settlers.
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:43pm
I remember when

The traffic light system implementation.
Does the colouring of the whole country red or orange show the Labour government is scared of success.
Or, are they just scared to leave Auckland two levels away from equality.
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November 30, 2021 8:15am
- mandk
  
  No, the government is scared that COVID will go away and all their failures will become evident.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:36am
- KevO'Brien
  
  No. Its about control. How can they justify logically no green?
  The BIll of Rights requires at least green as a minimum default. Cinders recognises no law but her own. Is she a sociopath?
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:10am
- RightNow
  
  I think Cindy ate all the green crayons
  
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  November 30, 2021 10:55am
  - mawm
    
    The colours in her crayon box are only red.
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:48pm
The GreyGhost

Police Commissioner Andrew Coster says “his heart sank” when he heard the news that three of his officers had been shot. He said the death of the gunman was a “tragedy for all”. Such emotive language is disseminated to the media and enthusiastically reported on all news outlets because it neatly fits the narrative that BLM, gang-friendly policies and the concept of ‘policing by consent’ somehow holds the moral high ground. We lead the world. It’s collaborative. It’s kind. It respects diversity. The reality of course is cold and calculating and hence the soft language about ‘feelings’ from this politician-in-a-uniform woke bastard. Record gang membership. Record gun crime. Police under-resourced. A culture of normalised violence. Prisons burnt to the ground. This government is soft on crime. It makes excuses. It blames. It’s cruel and evil. It doesn’t have a heart.
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November 30, 2021 8:15am
- plc
  
  Correction: “Record CLUB membership”
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:30am
- Simon
  
  “He said the death of the gunman was a “tragedy for all”.
  
  No its justice NZ style.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:32am
- Ruahine
  
  Just the usual crap language that comes out of Wellington everyday.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:40am
- redeye
  
  According to Bob Jones
  https://nopunchespulled.com/2021/11/29/great-news-for-taxpayers/#more-3088
  And NoMinister
  https://nominister.wordpress.com/tag/maori-gangs/
  Cabinet has signed of on $150,000 for gangs to have their tattoos changed. Apparently they want to change New Zealand for the other made up english name. etc
  “According to Harry Tan the problem is that many gang members now wish to remove the word ‘New Zealand’ from their gang patch tattoo and replaced with ‘Aotearoa’. One members of the Wellington chapter of Black Power wants the word ‘Wellington’ removed and replaced with ‘Te Whanganui – a – Tara’ which is the Maori name proposed for the capital city.”
  You wont read this on Stuff.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:45am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Hard to tell if parody or not.
    
    Not the first time lately that I can’t tell the difference between an earnest government policy and a ludicrous tale – because one well-established fact is we are run by people with defective logic and basic values.
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:08pm
- RoboRob
  
  Heard the commissioner on the radio last night.
  
  Q : Was this gang related?
  A : It does not appear to be related to gang tensions.
  
  I mean wtf, my translation of this is,
  A: Yes the guy was a gang member but I dont want to say that so I am going to use weasal words.
  
  Q: Are you concerned about the rise in gun crime
  A: There is no rise in gun crime. It is the same as last year.
  Q: Commisioner, last year was a record for gun crime.
  A: I don’t have the stats with me, but gun crime is consistant with the last year or two.
  
  Now I see why Labour have a hard on for this guy. He is essentially a member of the government. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him on the Labour list in future.
  
  This guy isn’t going hard on crime anytime soon. He certainly doesn’t stand for the community or his officers.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:09am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Having beer with a former police officer, and he used some unkind words about Andrew.
    Think it might have been ‘Jacinda’s sock puppet’.
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:09pm
- Russ the Muss
  
  Cuddles Coster is in the wrong job. Smart dude, but should be heading MSD or a social outreach program. He is NOT a cop at heart. He doesn’t have that belief in his force and the righteousness of their purpose that every top cop must have. Deep down He dispises is own police culture. He has a team of 50 consultants at BS castle working through a more iwi lead equitible and community based approach. Whatever that means? Law and order cannot be compromised when it comes to the worst offenders and the credibility of the thin blue line. The opposition needs to start asking him to step down. He is the wrong man at the wrong time for this role.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:23am
- cmm
  
  Coster needs to start giving the message that he supports the cops, not the gangsters.
  
  How about being angry instead? How bout drawing a line in the sand: enough is enough – we need to arm our cops to defend them against criminal scum?
  
  Naah, Coster is the wet woke wanker that has set up a system where cops have to phone their manager before they can arrest someone.
  
  It turns out that neutering the cops and emboldening the criminal scum leads to more crime. Wow. Who would ever have thought that?
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:48am
  - The GreyGhost
    
    The rank and file despise him. Bushmaster rifles and Glocks are in all police patrol cars. Our force are in fact armed. They just have to pretend they aren’t. Having to unlock the boot, the safe, load the magazine and then the weapon whilst under attack is good optics in Coster’s clown world.
    
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    November 30, 2021 10:25am
    - cmm
      
      Sure they are “armed”, but there is a massive difference between a rifle locked in the boot and one on the hip.
      
      There is also a huge psychological barrier to pulling a firearm out of the boot, let alone pointing it or firing it.
      
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      November 30, 2021 12:08pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    In the recent incident all the police were armed, particular areas in Auckland are soaked with the police right now and responses are armed and immediate with helicopter cover. Try hiding under your bed and let those tasked with looking after you get on with it.
    
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    November 30, 2021 10:46am
    - rouppe
      
      They were armed – eventually. They would have had to stop somewhere, get tooled up, and then continue…
      
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      November 30, 2021 11:25am
    - cmm
      
      Thank you Brian. It is always interesting to get the perspective of the criminal element too. I guess this is one of the benefits of diversity – getting the opinions who are radically different in how their mind works etc.
      
      I can give a different perspective to what you can – that of a legal firearm owner who has shot a person legally. I can assure you I did not fire from under the bed!
      
      Part of arming is actually training to use the firearm early enough to make a difference. In this case, the cops that got shot might have had the firearms in their hands but they then got into a chat fest instead of shooting. They waited until they’d been shot at (and some hit) until they fired back. NZ cops are incredibly reluctant to pull the trigger. It should be rare that cops end up with holes in them. The cops should not let it get to that level.
      
      That’s not to say that I am for complete gung-ho shooting. In the three occasions I pulled a gun, I only shot it on one occasion.
      
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      November 30, 2021 12:19pm
- dime
  
  that coster dude must have sold his soul to get this job.
  
  what a wimp.
  
  i feel for our front line cops.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:49am
Frank the tank

Random Tuesday thoughts/observations:

1). Why does Bridges bother? National need a unity leader and it’s clear a good portion of the caucus can’t stand him.
2). The Gulf is unbelievably clear ATM. On a good day you have 3-4m visibility. You’ll see the Great White before it sees you!
3). Do the majority of Aucklanders understand how restrictive “Red Light” is? Good luck having a Super honkynesia game under Red or an Ed Sheeran concert?
4). So it preliminarily appears Kungflu has gone the way of other influenza-type virus it that it has become more transmissible and less virulent. If so, and ‘Omishambles’ becomes the dominant strain does that finally mean Siouxsie, Gave and their mates can go back under their rocks?
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November 30, 2021 8:17am
- plc
  
  1. Totally agree….
  
  But the alternative is Chris from Marketing
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:31am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Better than Cindy from Comms.
    
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    November 30, 2021 2:03pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  We had some friends over last night and discussed the National leadership void. One of the guys suggested what the country needs….”Is a really hard-nosed uncompromising sort of b*stard that wont take shit from anyone”. Actually suggested my partner should throw his hat in the ring.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:34am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    You mean someone like Judith Collins?
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:42am
    - surfing
      
      Cam Slater fits the bill even better. Judith was Slaters hand puppet.
      
      There are a ton of things that make a good leader.
      
      You also need someone with good public charisma and excellent ability to read a situation.
      
      I think that’s partly why Judith couldn’t get traction…. attacking the pink haired lady for example… she may as well have attacked everyone who took a bike ride during lockdown.
      
      John Key was exceptionally good at reading situations (except for the hair pulling maybe).
      
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      November 30, 2021 9:11am
      - Biscuit
        
        Excuse the French, surfing, but if Cam Slater is the answer then it must have been a f*cking stupid question that was asked.
        
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        November 30, 2021 11:00am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Nah – those voters have already migrated over to Act.
    
    National will have to pander for white collar under 30s that drive Nissan Leafs; people from Wellington and little Aotearoans hence Te Pungarau Uncle Fester, Nicky Willis, Erica Stanford and the Tobacco salesman is the best scenario to make that happen.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:10am
  - pdm
    
    Maggie – do you mean like that John Wayne toilet paper?
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:37am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Is that similar to the Chuck Norris wet wipes? 😀
      
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      November 30, 2021 10:30am
  - rouppe
    
    You can’t get anything done if your team doesn’t like you. Just ask the wellington mayor.
    
    If the entire team has a well defined focus then yes an uncompromising bastard in charge is fine, but in and of itself is not a solution
    
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    November 30, 2021 11:30am
Gravelroad

Congratulations to the NZ cricket team for achieving a draw against India in the test match.
Last two batsmen were NZ Indians which is how this happened – their built in knowledge of playing spin apparently – according to the experts.
For those last couple of overs maybe the Indian captain should have put on their fastest pace bowlers to see how Ajaz and Ravindra faced that.?
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November 30, 2021 8:17am
- Frank the tank
  
  If you put a fast bowler on with fading light the umpires almost exclusively give the option of light to the batsmen.
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:19am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Not quite. There’s no such thing as appeals against the light or the batsmen being offered the light any longer. Decisions on weather and light are the sole responsibility of the umpires.
    
    On Day One, they will have taken a light reading when play stopped early. That figure then becomes the baseline for the remainder of the match, so whenever the light fades to that point, the umpires will require the suspension of play.
    
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    November 30, 2021 8:41am
    - Random T Person
      
      So, just to clarify, no rage, rage against the dying of the light?
      
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      November 30, 2021 9:50am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Tony, thank you for your succinct explanation.
      I am so old that I remember when our newspapers used to publish informative facts. It is 2021 and one must come to Kiwiblog to learn what is happening.
      
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      November 30, 2021 10:21am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Couldn’t have been fairer Tony. I did however hear one of the commentators ask if the light meter can be used during an over and not before or after?
      
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      November 30, 2021 10:50am
- pdm
  
  Pace would not have worried Ravindra he usually opens but would have been interesting with Patel.
  
  The guy that surprised me was Will Somerville he may have been the man that saved the match.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:40am
  - Biscuit
    
    pdm, I was shocked that that Indian player – the one behind the stumps at the bowler’s end when we began our Second Innings – wasn’t called upon at the death last night.
    
    Pretty hard for a batsman to be given out LBW when the ball lands at the Square Leg umpire’s feet – but that clown who gave Will Young out would probably have been able to justify it!
    
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    November 30, 2021 11:06am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

And I see where Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey is standing down.

His replacement is lookalike Chief Technology Officer, Parag Agrawal.

https://twitter.com/johnhackeria/status/1465388515361898502
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November 30, 2021 8:22am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yep Maggie, Agrawal is even more censorious than the twat Dorsey. But then, it seems to me that you have to be masochistic to have a twitter account…
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:07am
- Frank the tank
  
  Jack got out before 2022 when the house and senate flips and the likes of Jim Jordan are let loose on big tech.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Can’t wait Jordan pulls no punches
    
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    November 30, 2021 2:28pm
- dime
  
  about time.
  
  Square is the bigger company. 100b market capt vs 40ish?
  
  He couldnt be a good CEO to both.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:51am
Yvette

In addition perhaps to Captain Mainwaring’s comment at 8:01am –

Newsroom –
A new study, involving some of those who saved the land at Ihumātao, aims to change the way indigenous rights progress in constitutional relationships here and overseas.
Not so long ago, many New Zealanders had no idea Ihumātao existed, despite the fact it is home to Auckland International Airport. They knew nothing of its significance as the landing place centuries ago of the revered tupuna Hape, who arrived on the back of Kaiwhare (a stingray) from Hawaiki, ahead of the Tainui Waka.

… But the high-profile campaign #ProtectIhumātao, founded by six cousins from Makaurau Marae at the heart of the papākainga, increased public awareness. Strategic action led by ahi kā (the ones who keep the home fires burning), permanently etched its peaceful, passive, positive Indigenous-led resistance movement into our national imagination. [1]

Over time Ngāi Tahu developed an extensive knowledge of the place-names, stories, food resources and resting places of Te Waipounamu. Many of the hills and mountains bear the names of the waka (canoes) and the members of their crews important to the hapū of Ngāi Tahu. [2] [3]

Perhaps it is nit-picking or niggardly, but the use of the word ‘indigenous’ here, above, is surely mentally dissonant in the context, emphasising the means and time of these people’s arrival – immigration – into New Zealand.

Maori, by their own extensive oral histories, religious beliefs and folklore accounts, are immigrants, like the recent fact or older origins of every other New Zealander, with Maori being distinguished only by the kindergarten sand pit ecological / territorial argument that “We were here first”, rather than otherwise: “These are the things I learned in Kindergarten – 1. Share everything: 2. Play fair: 3. Don’t hit people: 4. Put things back where you found them: and, 5. CLEAN UP YOUR OWN MESS”, and more …

He Puapua evolves from the UN Declaration of Indigenous Rights, but Maori are not indigenous, and signed the Treaty of Waitangi with other immigrants, and the “principles” of that Treaty would actually be negated by aspects of He Puapua.
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[1] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/matike-mai-te-hiaroa-ihumtao-and-just-relationships
[2] https://ngaitahu.iwi.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/An-overview-of-sensitive-areas-in-Kaikoura.pdf
[3] https://arowhenua.org/blog/aoraki – The canoe became the South Island, and is known by Māori as Te Waka o Aoraki – The Canoe of Aoraki.

“This is an invitation to you. This COP, learn our histories, listen to our stories, honour our knowledge and get in line, or get out of the way. [reported by some media as: “stand aside”] “Kia ora, thank you,” they concluded. – Māori climate activist India Logan-Riley (they)
Many of the “histories”, “stories” and “knowledge” relate to arrival and so immigration of the Maori people – some of the greatest navigators on earth, who it seems, did not find Australia, which is quite a big place. But some claim they did, however were rejected or put off by the actual indigenous inhabitants living there (although analysis of maternal genetic lineages revealed that Aboriginal populations moved into Australia around 50,000 years ago).
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November 30, 2021 8:23am
cmm

I have changed my mind. I think that the health system IS failing Maori. Badly.

Why? They are failing to inform Maori about the Racist Vitamin: D.

It is absolutely undisputed (through research internationally and in NZ) that Vit D deficiencies lead to poor health outcomes in many areas including:
* Colorectal cancer (twice as bad for Vit D deficient, Maori bowl cancer outcomes are far poorer than for whites).
* Heart disease (approx 10% worse for low Vit D, worse for Maori).
* Respiratory infections including CV19 (Maori have worse outcomes).
* Mental health – many mental health issues are linked to low Vit D including depression and schizophrenia. Surprise: Maori have far higher levels of Vit D- associated mental health issues.
* Numerous other health issues.

It is also well known that darker skinned people, including Maori, are more prone to low Vit D levels.

We’ve known this practically forever. The information lurks in the bowels of MOH websites. It is there if you go search for it. But the information is not being presented and widely disseminated.

If Maori were to take Vit D daily it would very likely completely change the trajectory of Maori health even without modification to other lifestyle factors. That would cost less than 10 cents a day and, if taxpayer funded, would be about the best possible way to spend any public money.

I would argue that this is even more important with Omicron on the horizon since it is looking increasingly like the vaccination is far less effective against it. Vaccinated or not, bolstering the immune system is a very good idea.

That this information is not widely disseminated is scandalous. Gross negligence.

So yes, Maori are not being served well (nor other dark skinned people in NZ).
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November 30, 2021 8:39am
- surfing
  
  I have my vitamin D pills on the bench.
  
  It is not just maori, white people also suffer vitamin D deficiency…especially in winter… and vitamin D is important for fighting respiratory disease, and covid is a…..
  
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  November 30, 2021 8:54am
  - cmm
    
    Certainly everyone should consider Vit D levels. I take Vit D supplements too.
    
    But it is WAY worse for darker skinned people and is almost enough to explain many poor Maori health outcomes even without adding lifestyle factors such as obesity and smoking.
    
    But there’s more mileage in banging on about colonialism and Maorification of the health services than there is in handing out 10 cents of pills.
    
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    November 30, 2021 12:24pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Who are these Maori who need forced Vit D supplements? It could also apply to Scots, Spanish… and a host of other nations with dark skin colour.
  
  Don’t let the activists in the gate.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:15am
  - cmm
    
    I am not saying anyone should be forced into anything.
    
    What I do think is that the information should be more widely disseminated to at least the extent that “sun smart” info on wearing a hat is.
    
    While I would prefer that people then pay for Vit D themselves (around $3 a month maybe), given the massive benefits it would make way more sense than a lot of the other taxpayer funded spending so I wouldn’t personally object to VitD being something that was massively subsidised.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:36am
  - Jack5
    
    On an initial, quick reading, I thought Kevin O’Brien was saying Scots have dark skin colour.
    
    Reminds me of the old bigots’ answer to the question: Who are the best infantry?
    
    Scotsmen with white officers. ?
    
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    November 30, 2021 11:08am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      There are dark Pict strains in ancient Scotland. Those genetic strands are still active.
      
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      November 30, 2021 1:53pm
      - Jack5
        
        The web site in the first link below says there is a Scots DNA link with “Dark Age Picts,” rather than dark Picts.
        
        The second link says that DNA research shows more than 1 per cent of Scots have genes from the Tuareg and Berber people of North Africa. That might be the “dark Scots” origin.
        
        Dark Age Picts:
        https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-general/scots-dna-0012530
        
        North Africa links:
        https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-17740638
        
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        November 30, 2021 2:34pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Those of us who came out of Caithness and other Northern regions may have been happy to have had more melanin to warm us us. My Cormack gt gfather who emigrated from Wick was reputably much darker than my shiny white.
        
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        November 30, 2021 5:30pm
- notreadyet
  
  And the “antivaxers” who don’t follow instructions and do their own research are all well aware of the vitamin D situation and take control of their health have been onto D and C and zinc for a while and if we’re allowed I’m sure would have our own little preparedness stash of that nasty “I” drug only fit for horses.
  Don’t get me started as I get wild ( and that takes a lot to achieve) especially when people display class action levels of stupidity by asking where has the lurgy gone to in Japan. Can’t even join dots as big as cricket ovals because we told the old drug only for horses, there is none so blind as those that don’t want to see, yes blindly following the only true information.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:57am
  - mawm
    
    If a Dr didn’t prescribe a drug when it was needed it’d be malpractice, but when a PM actively bans Dr’s from prescribing it, it is criminal. And then there is the small thing of banning antibody tests so nobody would know if they’d had a disease so as to force them to get a not “safe and effective” vaccine that has more frequent side effects in them.
    
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    November 30, 2021 2:09pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I have read some stuff about the current vaccines destroy your natural Covid antibodies.
      Any truth in that? If so, we are being controlled
      
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      November 30, 2021 2:34pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It’s becoming increasingly likely. Another 6 months?
        
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        November 30, 2021 5:32pm
      - mawm
        
        Listen to Geert vanden Bossche. It’s hard work but he explains it all.
        I think it’s this one –
        https://www.bitchute.com/video/vGBDETOPAJA/
        
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        November 30, 2021 6:58pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        There is a growing body of evidence that mRNA-based vaxxes may damage the adaptive immune system. It is far from conclusive at this stage, but pretty important to monitor this stuff.
        
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        November 30, 2021 7:27pm
  - bronny1
    
    Bangladesh – 15% vacc, no deaths atm and is basically a petri dish for covid. Except that many people there take medications to stay alive that turn out to be useful prophylactics for covid….
    
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    November 30, 2021 5:15pm
MCōs

Today’s another big day for the Nats by the end of which another bald headed man of mystery is likely to be in charge again.
Going by the opinions expressed by people who contact RNZ Shane Reti should have the job. He’s certainly very knowledgeable in his portfolio, which has been to the forefront since the pandemic hit. However there’s a lot of other stuff going on.
Mr Luxon hasn’t been obliged to front on anything as yet.
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November 30, 2021 8:42am
dcrane

Compelling video on the pivotal moment we face with the introduction of “vaccine passports”. Very well done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TFKkbj01NQ
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November 30, 2021 8:51am
- krazykiwi
  
  Very well done. It’s a clear, well articulated message. Share, share, share
  
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  November 30, 2021 7:46pm
surfing

My hopes, omicron is mild but highly contagious. At this stage, omicron doesn’t seem to cause serious illness.

This concurs with what scientists said at the start of this pandemic, that covid will likely become more mild over time.
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November 30, 2021 8:52am
- cmm
  
  It is looking increasingly likely that this is not just a hope, but is reality too.
  
  That’s a big problem for the people who love the power the fear porn gives them.
  
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  November 30, 2021 12:26pm
SmokerGuy

Big day today for National! Tbh I don’t give a shit who wins, I just hope the person who loses can put their ego aside for the good of the party and New Zealand so we can get rid of the government in 2023.
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November 30, 2021 8:55am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Spot on SG. Let’s just hope that the loser is big enough to swing in behind the new leader, and give him 100% support.
  
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  November 30, 2021 10:29am
Benedict Yu

I just received an email from an American woman who works in Wellington.

It started “aroha ma”. I thought she was saying good morning but then I realised it was an apology.

I should tell her that a common language between Americans and Chinese is rarely Maori 🙁
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November 30, 2021 8:55am
- alloytoo
  
  and the funny thing is, no one thinks this is cultural appropriation.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If that is the spelling she used, be very wary..
  
  aroha ma means white love.
  
  I suspect she was meaning Aroha mai.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:08am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I only ever do it by the numbers 😀
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:14am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  That BY, gave me a really good laugh
  
  Maori is never the solution but always a problem.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:49am
- graham
  
  It baffles me why one non-Maori person, communicating with another non-Maori person, should feel the need to indulge in cultural appropriation and throw in some random Maori greeting or phrase.
  
  I can only assume their need to virtue-signal takes over the common sense part of their brain that would normally think, “I’m American, communicating with a Chinese person who speaks English – why on earth would I introduce a completely different language into the mix?”
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:54am
- Raphael
  
  I grew up in a country with 11 official languages (South Africa for those who didn’t already know).
  
  No-one started an email with “Sowubona” and then waffled on in English, and finished it off with “Salagashle”.
  You pick the language for the communications and then you stick with it.
  
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  November 30, 2021 10:24am
  - mawm
    
    To be quite honest there were a lot of Afrikaans words mixed up in colloquial English and in Natal some Zulu as well.
    
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    November 30, 2021 2:17pm
- Taieri
  
  Just downloaded “My Vaccine Pass”.
  It says “For use in Aotearoa New Zealand”. And at the bottom in large, bold letters “Te Kawanatanga o Aotearoa” with “New Zealand Government” in small letters underneath. Now I wonder, if anyone, including the Members of Parliament from the ruling party, uses in their everyday’s conversations the expression “Te Kawatanga of Aotearoa”?
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:54am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Kawatanga is a transliteration from the English word Govern.
    “Te Kawanatanga o Aotearoa”
    is effectively Te (article The [singlular] ) Govern (tanga, [noun]) o (of) someplace unknown officially in NZ.
    
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    November 30, 2021 2:00pm
Weetbix3ways

With the increasing consensus that the covid jabs aren’t providing much more than reduced severity over a few months, why isn’t there more discussion of the various ‘alternative’ treatments available that offer the same or even better reduction in severity?
Many of these alternatives can be obtained at the local supermarket, have no potential side effects (if taken in any sane quantity), and offer potentially improved resistance to many other illnesses at the same time.
If I may fit my tin-foil hat for a moment: Is there something in the Pfizer NDA that prevents the government from promoting or even allowing consideration of such things?
Is the media’s bias and ridicule against them not itself evidence that there’s maybe something here?
Isn’t India’s stunning success at treating covid in their population without widespread vaccine use something to consider even a little bit?

Tin-foil hat off.

There is something that enables a large portion of the population to have covid and yet be completely asymptomatic. That has from the beginning been the key to solving this problem forever, yet seems totally ignored. I suspect it is levels of various vitamins and nutrients of which the government will not speak.
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November 30, 2021 8:56am
- alloytoo
  
  I share your tin hat.
  
  I refuse to believe that they still ignoring existing remedies because Orange man bad.
  
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  November 30, 2021 1:18pm
KiwiSapper

Finally admitted, ( later no doubt to be regretted and denied) by Angry Little Andrew on the TV 3
am programme this morning that the reason for regions such as Wanganui , which have no Covid infections, has a RED traffic light is because.
1..Government are being careful.
2..Summer is coming up. ( No shit Sherlock)
3..The Region’s Covid inoculation numbers are less than 90 %.
“Which include maori”…… His EXACT THREE ADDED WORDS.

So Covid inoculations for maori as a separate measurement must also reach 90% before a Region may move from red to orange.

Polite words fail me.
Even Ryan admitted that he had not heard of this requirement before.
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November 30, 2021 9:00am
- rouppe
  
  Haphazardly applied. Ccdhb has 90%, but certain areas in porirua particularly have much lower rates, and those areas generally have a higher proportion of Maori.
  
  Not that I’m complaining being in orange
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:43am
cmm

It is still very noisy, but twenty four hours later we have a bit more info on Omicron. Not enough yet to say anything conclusive, but still firming up slowly:
* It is much more infectious than Delta and is rapidly displacing Delta where it has got a foothold.
* Generally milder and shorter periods of disease are being reported with less symptoms.
* Where there have been hospitalisations, the stats so far suggest that the vaccination is being ineffective in reducing hospitalisation. Stats from Baragwanath hospital in Soweto (the biggest hospital in the world outside of China) currently indicate more vaccinated people being hospitalised with Big O than unvaccinated (when compared to vaccination levels in the general population). I’ll be kind and say the vaccine is ineffective rather than has a negative effect.

Almost all viral pandemics have run a course like this. They run for approx 2 years then just fade away (becoming a background virus). That happened with the Spanish Flu which was many times worse. After 2 years, the Swine Flu virus that caused the pandemic mutated into a relatively benign form which continues with us today as a background seasonal flu.

Omicron is a significant mutation from Delta. The South African Beta strain had 3 mutations in the spike protein, Delta had 8. Omicron has 32.

We saw vaccine effectiveness wain with Delta, so it would be reasonable to expect a far greater reduction in effectiveness with Omicorn – and that seems to be what is being observed.

Natural immunity is superior, and wider, because it attacks multiple ways (something like 20 different ways), while the mRNA vaccines only have the ability to attack in one or two ways and the spike protein is key to it working.

Early days yet, but to me this is saying: bring it on, Omicron is the beginning of the end if we let it runs its course.

Of course more information could radically change the picture.
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November 30, 2021 9:01am
- Ed Snack
  
  Interesting comment from the head of Astra Zeneca who is claiming that although apparently less effective initially than the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, the AZ modified Adeno virus vaccine does seem to provide a significantly longer lasting protection primarily as it (appears to) more thoroughly activate the memory T cell system, which the mRNA vaccines apparently do not.
  
  Suggestion is that the best technique is an initial AZ jab with a follow up Pfizer.
  
  I think AZ is now offered in NZ, and initially it did have warnings as regards side effects including blood clotting and heart related issues, and was thus used a lot less than the mRNA options.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:32am
  - cmm
    
    If it is panning out like it is looking like, then perhaps the better bet is to go with natural immunity.
    
    The current Pfizer vaccine is looking like it is going to be pointless in a month or so. Boosters will be a waste of time.
    
    Sure, they can tweak the mRNA recipe to attack Omicron, but that will take at least 2 months to develop and then another 2 months to get good supplies going. Existing doses, jabbed into people or in storage, can’t be upgraded.
    
    But if the infection is way less dangerous, then why bother? Just get a day of sniffles then you’ll have a far superior natural immunity.
    
    This is all based on emerging data, so highly speculative.
    
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    November 30, 2021 12:35pm
    - bronny1
      
      me me me.
      Can we please just have Omicron?
      
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      November 30, 2021 5:19pm
- Sacha
  
  Some people, experienced in the ways of viruses and vaccines, are saying that variants can (potentially) spring up anywhere in vaccinated people because of the ‘leaky’ vaccines. If so, maybe we will get our own Kiwi variant. How about THAT?
  
  https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/videos-and-interviews/geert-vanden-bossche-interview-at-the-highwire
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:52am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, the leaky stuff is potentially dangerous, look at the Marek Effect.
    
    This is particularly problematic with mRNA vaccines which only attack one facet of a virus – thus allowing one lineage of mutations to escape coverage. This is unlike natural immunity which attacks on multiple fronts and hence is better at dealing with variants.
    
    However, South Africa (Southern Africa in general) is the best place in the world for creating variants because of the vast number of people with HIV infections. Mutations are thought to happen when a cell is simultaneously infected with multiple different viruses so a high HIV-positive population is a perfect breeding ground.
    
    PS: Worthwhile reading an article written before CV19 hype. This one from 2015.
    
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/leaky-vaccines-enhance-spread-of-deadlier-chicken-viruses
    
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    November 30, 2021 12:42pm
- 0A
  
  Whilst on the subject of Bara, I note too that another 500 bed ICU unit was added, construction starting in July 2020 and completed in 2021.
  
  I’d like to ask Andrew Little how many additional ICU beds were added here during the same period. I think I’ve a pretty good idea of the figure.
  
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  November 30, 2021 1:30pm
  - cmm
    
    Yup, it is amazing what a broke, corrupt country led by incompetents can still accomplish when it wants to.
    
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    November 30, 2021 3:52pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Any info on whether symptoms include loss of taste & smell? I can take or leave the fever etc. but still want enjoy my tucker.
  
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  November 30, 2021 7:50pm
Maggie Pie

Slightly off-piste 😛

The NZH reports that jury selection for Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial on sex-trafficking has been completed and first witnesses have been called.

What they didn’t reference, was the release of the vast network of Politicians and Financiers, named in Jeffery Epstein’s….. ‘little black book’

https://patriotone.substack.com/p/epsteins-vast-network-of-financers
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November 30, 2021 9:01am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, notice Trump has a large entry but the love island lad super spreader Clinton barely a mention?
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:48am
- Fletch
  
  It’s looking to be somewhat of a farce. The prosecutor is the daughter of James Comey and the judge is an Obama appointee who The White House nominated for the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals earlier in November, right before the Maxwell case was scheduled to formally begin. And none of it is allowed to be followed live. The judge stopped that.
  
  Too many powerful people to protect.
  
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  November 30, 2021 10:32am
In Vino Veritas

Bob Jones, on the excellent “No Punches Pulled”, Taxpayers will be delighted to learn that Cabinet has approved $150,000 of your money to appease Maori gang members unhappy with their tattoos.
This will not remove the words “Black Power” from these losers backs, but instead only the place-name “New Zealand” at the bottom and replace it with the fictional substitute “Aotearoa”. Or in some other cases, the name of their home city from its actual name such as Hamilton to a fictional one.

I encourage all to go to Bob’s blog and read the whole article. Rage or laugh?
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November 30, 2021 9:05am
Truman lodge

Being St Andrews day why is there zero publicity considering there are more ethnic Scots in nz than Chinese or Indians. Our Parliament celebrated Indian independence day, diwali etc.

No such celebrations of St George or St Andrew. One lefty told me because it’s not our celebration. Yet the others are??? St Patrick’s day is celebrated for commercial and pc obsessed reasons.
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November 30, 2021 9:06am
- Bluegrass
  
  Agreed, but to be fair, it’s very hard to celebrate a culture whose gift to the culinary world is haggis…
  
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  November 30, 2021 12:15pm
  - Truman lodge
    
    Irn bru don’t forget?
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:47pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    and “neeps”. You forgot “neeps”.
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:52pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s the bagpipes…
  
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  November 30, 2021 7:54pm
Nukuleka

I note that on the paper copy of my vaccine passport are the words: ‘Let’s work together to stamp out the virus’. Is this the equivalent to those immortal words: ‘Work will set you free’?

Is our government lying to us?
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November 30, 2021 9:08am
Southern Raider

How are they going to get visitors back to the Auckland CBD.

Apart from the crime has anyone else noticed how much graffiti is everywhere and no attempt by Council or NZTA to clean it up?

The whole barrier along bottom of St Mary’s Bay on the motorway has been tagged. Started with one tag 6 weeks ago and because NZTA did nothing now it’s end to end. Same with most motorway signs
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November 30, 2021 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  SR, as a one time Aucklander I can see that city descending into a San Francisco with abandoned shops serving as shelters for the street people. In all probability Goff City will wither and rot from within like a tree badly infested with borer. The white powder cafes in Ponsonby and Grey Lynn will slowly close as inner city crime becomes untenable even to the residents in their expensive do up villas.
  Just a snapshot of San Fran.
  https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2021/11/looting-san-francisco-retail-theft/
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:02am
  - alloytoo
    
    That’s what happened to South Africa’s CBDs
    
    Once the large financial institutions left the cities it was tickets.
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:23pm
- sooty
  
  Why would you go to the CBD, when you can go to the mall!
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:57am
Rusty

So the covid porn story keeps rolling on with a new strain discovered in South Africa “omicron” that may or may not be more dangerous than “delta” which in turn that strain may or may not be more dangerous than covid-19 or whatever the first one is called.

Confused?

Everyone should be, because that is what our govt and health authorities here and others abroad want us to feel.

Nothing like keeping the masses minds filled with confusion and fear if you have a hidden agenda you want to impose on everyone.
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November 30, 2021 9:18am
- Albert_Ross
  
  How have you lived so long without grasping that facts and their significance aren’t always immediately clear or consistent over time?
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:01am
- Hard Cheese
  
  Tedros and his bunch of fuckwits from the WHO are the worst offenders
  
  “The Omicron variant of coronavirus carries a very high global risk of surges, the WHO warned on Monday”
  
  “The World Health Organization advised its 194 member nations that any surge in infections could have ‘severe consequences'”
  
  “WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Omicron’s emergence showed how ‘perilous and precarious’ the situation was”
  
  All this before any hard data on transmissibility and effectiveness of the vaccine against the new variant.
  
  Rather than be a responsible organisation basing their statements on scientific evidence, let’s just keep pressing that big red PANIC button, eh Tedros?
  
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  November 30, 2021 12:48pm
  - mawm
    
    They are funded to a greater extent by the Gates Foundation.
    
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    November 30, 2021 2:36pm
Odakyu-sen

If you could convince New Zealanders that they must follow government rules to reduce an annual flu death count of 500 down to as low as possible, would this be a good thing for the nation, socially and economically?
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November 30, 2021 9:23am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If you can make people believe that you can control death, then you can make them believe that you must control their lives.
  
  Maybe that’s the plan.
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:32am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    There is no plan (Labour have clearly demonstrated that they are incapable of planning or delivery during last 4 years). All their superficial and lazy thinkers know is winging it and reacting to problems when they become too embarrassing to ignore and too difficult to spin any more.
    
    But politicians do love the power, and any passing justification to gain more, the key to that for Labour is taking money off (preferably) people who don’t vote for them to give to those that do, as well as exploiting the scare of the day to feather their and their mate’s nests.. What is actually in the countries best interests is of little relevance to them
    
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    November 30, 2021 12:02pm
- cmm
  
  According to what Baker said in 2019, the flu deaths are under counted by a factor of 20. ie. According to him, there would be 10,000 flu related deaths a year if you counted properly.
  
  He’s probably right. If you used a PCR test to detect flu, then counted every death returning a positive PCR test as a flu death (ie. using CV19 rules of engagement) then a quarter to a third of NZ deaths would be flu deaths.
  
  He also says that a quarter of NZers get infected with flu every year and he’d probably be right if you counted the CV19 way too.
  
  It just goes to show that CV19 really isn’t any worse than flu.
  
  Accounting like this is far from “science” it is pure political bullshit.
  
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  November 30, 2021 5:22pm
Ed Snack

And interesting read: https://www.coronababble.com/post/the-ethics-of-using-covert-strategies-a-letter-to-the-british-psychological-society

One that should be appreciated by all those who seem to thoroughly approve of the current state of the nation. The manipulation of the public and public sentiment by propaganda and psychological techniques to obtain compliance. In other words, who are good little sheep now ?

This has been mentioned before a propos the “Nudge Unit”, in several comments before today.

See also: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/14/scientists-admit-totalitarian-use-fear-control-behaviour-covid/

But behind a paywall.

If you wonder why it feels like the country is being manipulated by cynical authoritarians, that’s because it is, and it is working extremely well. Primarily one suspects though it is In order to get re-elected, and the wholesale denigration of the opposition is simply part (albeit a particularly successful part) of that strategy.

Have we had enough yet ?
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November 30, 2021 9:27am
- mawm
  
  Dr Robert Malone on Mass Information Psychosis. https://brandnewtube.com/embed/XBwKAJAPrOjlCt5
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:41pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF27Q9PdDLo

UAE plays the ETIM card on China but puts Turkey at the forefront.

Amid a freefalling economy and a currency that has nosedived, Turkey is looking to secure some major investments, and the United Arab Emirates seems keen to play ball. However, the UAE has set the ball rolling on a major game, with potentially devastating impacts on China. Watch this video to know more. [5:34]
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November 30, 2021 9:31am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqqXJc8id50

Could America Tear Themselves Apart? US Secession Explained – TLDR News.

As the US becomes more and more divided some are hoping for big changes – maybe even as big as secession (when one or more states break away from the union altogether). So in this video, we explain how secession would work in practice and if the country could be better off divided. [8:45]
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November 30, 2021 9:32am
ecco

I see in the Ferald iwi in the Gisborne area are calling for cancellation of the Rhythm and Vines festival. Big dilemma for Ardern, two of her main voter bases, ie the maori but also the millenial/student vote. What to do? Will piss off at least one of them whatever she does. Not to mention throwing doubt over wedding plans…

I’m guessing all that will happen is that she will leave it up to the last minute, as per usual and cost everyone a lot of money with the uncertainty, especially businesses in that area, in the process.
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November 30, 2021 9:34am
- nathie
  
  Not a problem, the PM’s Office simply needs to employ another two dozen comms staff to manage the response and its execution …
  
  In the meantime (and so as not to be distracted by the problems faced by businesses going bankrupt), her comm staff have delivered another 1,000 letters from children canvasing a range of subjects such as where does the Easter Bunny go on holiday for the other 11 months of the year and whether Santa Claus will have enough time to recharge his EV sled to ensure presents are delivered before dawn?
  
  to take her mind off things
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:03am
- Inandout
  
  ecco, Angry has already promised the promoters ample compensation. The rest of the city, well, suck it up losers.
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t think many Maori go to R&V.
  
  Very white, upper middle-class group of folks as far as I could see.
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/media/ixtlf2gq/rhythm-and-vines-concertgoers-nzh.jpeg?rnd=132806153700300000
  
  Remember over half of Gisborne folk have Maori heritage… (53.5%)
  https://www.health.govt.nz/new-zealand-health-system/my-dhb/tairawhiti-dhb/population-tairawhiti-dhb
  R&V groupies are pretty unrepresentative of the local folks around here.
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:13pm
Yvette

… That angry pig Molloy
Soy-latte-swilling Tame
Jessica and Tova
Give it up ya bloody fools!
Ya rotten grift is over.

Freedom’s gift is precious
Be Fearful of the State!
Freedom’s smiling assassin
Your single Source of hate.

Know this! And know it well
There is a Place in Hell
For those tyrannical imposters
Who ring
The division bell.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/11/30/the-rhyme-of-the-division-bell/

Is the nation-wide “Division”, foreshadowed to occur shortly – vaccinated to unvaccinated – in the name of “saving the people”, not contrary to the context (but definitely in no order of importance) of –

• the Human Rights Commission and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and bodily sovereignty.
• New Zealand Bill of Rights
• the Nuremberg Code
• the Treaty of Waitangi, and Waitangi tribunal
• He Puapua
• Brian Tamaki picnics
• vaccine passes with arbitary expiry dates
• the “greater good” when it involves a protected ethnic minority
• hippocratic oath
• as yet unvaccinated Police officers
• German history
• bribery and coercion
• rampant political conspiracy theories, or
• common sense and kindness
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November 30, 2021 9:38am
Paulus Gnome

Bill Bill whatssaname . . .
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November 30, 2021 9:51am
Maggie Pie

From the ‘FREE RANGE ASYLUM’ file…..

Bet residents of Dun Eideann can’t wait to see Reuben back on the streets 🙁

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1465411336054181900
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November 30, 2021 9:57am
Surely Knott

Stuff reports “our staff are vaccinated signs” may not be legal. The Duncan Cotterill lawyer Olivia Lund questions the new law and states the part of the law that she questions. But the Ministry of Health “spokesperson” who is anonymous says it is legal to put up a sign see 34b? Shouldn’t the ministry of health spokesperson have a name. Shouldn’t he state in full the clause that shows it’s legal as the lawyer did? What legal qualifications does the anonymous bureaucrat have? And finally in the digital age shouldn’t media provide valid links to legislation or studies when they use them in their reporting.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/127118941/covid19-businesses-should-tread-carefully-if-publicising-vaccinated-staff-lawyer-says
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November 30, 2021 10:09am
- Raphael
  
  That’s a really unfortunate number for the rule.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_34
  
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  November 30, 2021 10:19am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Haha. Thanks. I learn so much on this blog.
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:06pm
- Rich Prick
  
  In terms of privacy law, it is no different to publicly advertising employees’ HIV status. As a “marketing” strategy, it’s a really dumb one, and I’d avoid any business that would abuse employee privacy in such a way. Why should a vaccinated customer care anyway, vaccines work, or so we are told.
  
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  November 30, 2021 10:24am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    You need to get out more and a bit of reading wouldn’t hurt. People do understand that the vaccinated can still catch covid, and might well prefer to be dealing with other vaccinated people. I would but would still exercise caution. It has actually been going on for a long time in Auckland, the wharves were one of the first places, now more will be opening up under the red light where only the vaccinated will go.
    
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    November 30, 2021 11:28am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      I agree that there’s some value to it but it is illegal. “Covid” does not automatically void employment laws. This isn’t even the first time that fact has been pointed out to people.
      
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      November 30, 2021 11:34am
    - dcrane
      
      Here, I’ll fix that first sentence: “People are beginning to learn now that the vaccinated can still catch covid, despite months of misinformation from governments implying that the vaccine will eliminate the disease and we will get our normal lives back“.
      
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      November 30, 2021 11:38am
    - Rich Prick
      
      My point is to do with employment and privacy law. My comment about the vaccine was aimed and fired only to get a rise from freshly minted medical experts.
      
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      November 30, 2021 3:40pm
    - bronny1
      
      ugh i’d prefer to deal with the great unwashed, who will stay home in bed if sick. Rather than the apparently likely to be asymptomatic-but-spreading clean ones.
      
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      November 30, 2021 6:21pm
Over Taxed Worker

Lets assume COVID-19 drifts away to virtually nothing. Labour will still have other Corona virus types to keep the country under panic/lockdown forever. Corona virus types OC43, HKU1, 229E, and NL63 spring to mind. AKA the “common cold”.
They will never give up trying to spin it out.
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November 30, 2021 10:32am
- dcrane
  
  There are probably some serious flu waves in our future as well, with the lockdowns having greatly reduced exposure for two years now. No doubt we’ll be having vaccine-passport-mediated panics over those too.
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:35am
  - TS Child
    
    Please. Don’t give them ideas! Bc those flu waves are almost definitely coming. Like they often do… I think next winter we could see a fun mix of COVID, flu, plus all the people who stayed home this year and who are now a lot sicker as a consequence. If anyone is going to try living in a more healthy way, that thought should provide a strong impetus. Next winter is potentially going to be a bad time to find yourself in need of a hospital.
    
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    November 30, 2021 2:43pm
kevn

Bunnings TV ads now feature staff wearing… masks. That is so reassuring. Isn’t it?
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November 30, 2021 10:32am
- Over Taxed Worker
  
  Off to Mitre 10 it is then
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:43am
  - lifesgood
    
    Always Mitre 10 – NZ owned unlike Bunnings
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:14pm
k1w1

I am really annoyed that Northland iwi have the ability to close Matai Bay DOC campground for the foreseeable. What right do they have to do this? DOC presumably leases the land from the owner. I bet the lease doesn’t include the landlord’s right to close the business with no notice. DOC are party to this. It screws, yet again, with the holiday plans of many. May as well have that fucking Akl border.
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November 30, 2021 10:36am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  But Maori have a Treaty Right to refuse vaccination and then punish others for their refusal. Labour says so.
  
  What a pack of idiots we have running our asylum.
  
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  November 30, 2021 10:58am
- Paulus
  
  Maori are now always right, so get used to it as it will exponentially increase throughout their Aotearoa.
  And there is sod all you can do about it.
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:08pm
DeepBlue

An interesting response to traffic lights:

A local cafe will operate vax pass. I don’t blame them as they need to keep operating. However they will also serve non vaxed people who text in the order for food and coffee, collect and can eat it on the public seating next door. Who knows it might be where the underground unvaxed plot and scheme and meet like-minded people. Viva the revolution.

It does remind me of the ‘colored’ back door of Southern America, but it also shows what a crock this all is.
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November 30, 2021 10:36am
Maggie Pie

How many people head to work each day thinking they might be shot?

We’ve got no idea how many ‘Frontline Cops that Police Commissioner Andy Coster actually knows, but my partner is friends with a couple, and both are 100% IN FAVOR of being routinely armed.

Just saying.
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November 30, 2021 10:44am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Quite a few cops get run over by perps. The uniform is not a shield.
  
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  November 30, 2021 10:58am
- Russ the Muss
  
  Sometimes I wish I had been shot dealing with some idiots.
  
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  November 30, 2021 12:01pm
Alan Wilkinson

Statistics prof at Edinburgh uni points out the evidence that masks do anything other than psychological re Covid infections is marginal to non-existent.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-really-halve-the-risk-of-covid-a-note-on-the-evidence

Mass gullibility is alarming and far better evidenced.
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November 30, 2021 10:53am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Of course masks work but it depends on which masks and what you are trying to do — protect yourself or protect others.
  
  If I wanted to know I wouldn’t be asking a statistician who writes in the Spectator.
  
  That’s where Viscount Ridley of Coal writes his bullshit about global warming — any old, rubbish goes down well there.
  
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  November 30, 2021 1:08pm
  - mawm
    
    But you aren’t going to be comfortable in a N95 mask working for Bunnings on an 8 hour shift.. These cotton masks being sewn by all the good women (and men) of New Zealand do absolutely nothing other than signal one’s virtue.
    
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    November 30, 2021 2:52pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    You obviously don’t want to know so don’t bother us with your pointless uninformed opinion.
    
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    November 30, 2021 3:38pm
  - cmm
    
    By what method do masks work? “Of course” is not an explanation.
    
    Virus particles are incredibly small. Half a teaspoon could hold more than a million viruses for every person in NZ.
    
    They can travel directly through any fabric mask you can breath through.
    
    What most people are wearing are surgical masks or worse – not N95s. To quote Wikipedia (go dig into the references there if you want more detail): ” If worn properly, a surgical mask is meant to help block large-particle droplets, splashes, sprays, or splatter that may contain viruses and bacteria. …A surgical mask, by design, does not filter or block very small particles in the air that may be transmitted by coughs, sneezes, or certain medical procedures. ”
    
    So in other words, the surgical masks (blue fan-folded masks most people wear) are just theatre.
    
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    November 30, 2021 4:23pm
- krazykiwi
  
  We have weapons grade bio-psychosis instilled in the New Zealand population. It’s genuinely sad to see so many previously sane, rational people living like this.
  
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  November 30, 2021 1:13pm
Maggie Pie

Just txt the girls from Tennis to confirm that lunch at my place on Friday is definitely going ahead as planned.
And to let them know all 5 sh*thouses will be available for use.
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November 30, 2021 11:28am
- sooty
  
  I don’t know how you cope without hired help, you truely are amazing, girl!
  All day head down, arse up in the bog!
  
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  November 30, 2021 11:53am
- Maggie Pie
  
  NZ’s Dictator says…”let them eat cake”
  
  https://twitter.com/AnonCitizenUK/status/1465348425667469312
  
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  November 30, 2021 12:04pm
dime

Gun violence daily.

Crime out of control.

People getting pissed off.

Not a bad time to bring in an ex-Prosecutor I would have thought?

Rather than “i got air nz the rainbow tick”
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November 30, 2021 11:51am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  A prosecutor without power facing a hostile media for two years is a hard road. I’m no fan of Luxon and he seems a big risk but he may have fewer angles for the Left to attack. I don’t see Bridges making it especially as he divides the caucus.
  
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  November 30, 2021 1:02pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Bridges should have taken the seat at the back like Judith did when she got hit by one of the Left’s dirty politics attacks. It was the only result from the Jacqui Dean setup that would have ended well for National.
  
  Instead he once again showed he is only interested in himself and that he doesn’t have any idea what’s going on.
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:46pm
Fletch

Now McDonald’s won’t let you enter to dine without a vax pass…. gimme a break…lol

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/127135927/covid19-mcdonalds-requires-vaccine-pass-to-dinein-under-traffic-light-system
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November 30, 2021 12:19pm
- alex Masterley
  
  “dine” and McDonalds are two words i didnt expect to see together.
  
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  November 30, 2021 12:38pm
- Raphael
  
  They have to if they want to be able to operate at a level that doesn’t lose money.
  
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  November 30, 2021 1:58pm
I remember when

Omicorn:
Is Omicorn more contagious than other variants.
Scientist don’t know.
Will Omicorn result in more fatalities.
Scientist don’t know, although SA doctor with experience of the variant states it appears very mild.
Do the existing vaccines protect against Omincorn.
No-one knows but lets push the ‘get everyone vaccinated’ button – why?
Remember when scientists did their research then published their results.
There wasn’t any thought of having a guess before they had done so.
The ‘good old days’?
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November 30, 2021 12:24pm
- cmm
  
  “No-one knows but lets push the ‘get everyone vaccinated’ button – why?”
  
  Because this is the last chance they will get to foist the vaccine on the population. If the vaccine is ineffective against Omicron, as is appearing more and more likeley, then it’s going to be a very hard sell.
  
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  November 30, 2021 12:46pm
Maggie Pie

Overheard one those 2 woke leftards on ZB saying….
“Luxon reminds him of a Roll-On Deodorant”

Both of them laughed like drains.

They’ll be laughing on the other side of their face once Christopher becomes PM and they find themselves subject to a Tax Audit.
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November 30, 2021 12:45pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It might upset you to know that cabinet ministers, even the prime minister, have no authority to direct inland revenue to audit anyone. OTOH, they could possibly change the law to make sure tennis clubs, and other purported non-profit organisations, are paying a fair share of tax.
  
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  November 30, 2021 12:50pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    TBH milkey, I find it’s more attractive when someone can reply to your sarcasm WITH sarcasm, instead of just getting offended like a little bitch.
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:18pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I think you will find that the only thing that has offended me on Kiwiblog was a very nasty (and now deceased) commenter calling me a pedophile. Really got my goat, especially when I was the one the copped a ban as a result. But that was in the bad old days, before we had moderators to enforce the comments policy.
      
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      November 30, 2021 3:54pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        The problem milkey, is that I can see right thru your nasty comments and weak attempts at sarcasm. I pick up on it instantly! It’s this talent that I have 😀
        
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        November 30, 2021 4:57pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And as milkey knows…masturbation never breaks your heart.
    
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    November 30, 2021 1:31pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    They also shouldn’t be able to use the IRD to get voting preference details or to accumulate wealth data for the party to campaign with for the next election but that hasn’t stopped Labour.
    
    Labour’s weaponisation of the IRD is a very bad thing by the way.
    
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    November 30, 2021 2:43pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Was that a reference to IR getting a smack on the hand for a stupid ‘customer survey’ a couple of years ago?
      
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      November 30, 2021 3:57pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  What does a PM have to do with a tax audit?
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Come on Kev….my partner reckons that’s like asking what Hitler had to do with Kristallnacht.
    
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    November 30, 2021 2:55pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I recall an IRD with ultra high professional standards. We had to prove our right to tax and had the greatest respect for our surrounding legal boundaries.
      The Commissioner may have to show cause to have an Inspector proceed with a tax audit.
      
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      November 30, 2021 5:41pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Not these days Kev.
        Even having a boat named ‘TAX EVADER’ can get you in their sights,
        
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        November 30, 2021 6:45pm
raven

Eyes wide open New Zealand – the United Kingdom are going to 3 monthly covid boosters:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/29/uk/uk-booster-vaccine-expansion-omicron-gbr-intl/index.html

So dangerous. The boosters that is, not the Covid, which has a good survival rate and this ‘omicron’ variant appears to be very mild and one to probably just catch and get natural immunity from.
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November 30, 2021 12:57pm
- surfing
  
  Read this. ..
  https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post/rex-warwood-80-pukekohe-nz-journalist-author-anti-vaxxer-old-kook-dead-from-covid
  
  Sounds like a kiwiblogger. Bet he wishes he could take the vaccine now.
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:44pm
  - Russ the Muss
    
    Classy.
    
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    November 30, 2021 9:43pm
- MCōs
  
  Yeah.
  If the UK are doing it, it must be right.
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:46pm
Tempist

Apparently Phil Twyford as Aotearoa’s Disarmament and Arms Control Minister is pushing for an international treaty to ban unmanned or unwomaned weapons (or as the media like to call them ‘killer robots’ to prove they’re objective and not prone to sensationalisms)

Maybe we should offer to put Phil Twyford in charge of all drone’s – you can guarantee they wouldn’t hit any targets
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November 30, 2021 1:39pm
Truman lodge

Did anyone see Jacinda’s lunch time conference in Hamilton today on herald online?

I swear its a hologram! She sounds robotic and stiff. Like she is reading a teleprompter or getting messages in an ear piece. Regardless I would not be surprised if Jacinda died years ago, and it’s a hologram. Grant Robertson is secretly the PM.
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November 30, 2021 1:51pm
cmm

Think all the clipboard-waving bureaucrats, health and safety officers, HR managers etc who are getting a power rush out of CV19. For many this is the most awesome period of their lives being able to instill fear in people, tell them to wear masks etc. They get to feel important.

It can’t be far from that power rush Stalag guards had exerting their petty power over prisoners of war.

Think also of the “scientists” who get their egos stroked by being quoted in the daily papers etc. They will go back to being little grey people – no matter the hair rinse they use.

All that is most likely going to all come tumbling down during 2022 as the pandemic collapses.

Like with the aftermath of rebuilding after a war, most of them will likely deny the role they played. “What, me an enthusiastic Nazi? No I was just following orders.”

I have before likened the execution of the pandemic, especially the handling of uvaccinated, to the execution of a genocide. So far we’ve seen almost all the steps of genocide – except of course the physical slaughter of people. The 10 steps of genocide have been used as a playbook, just softening step 9, extermination, from causing physical death to destroying peoples’ social lives, jobs, businesses and wellbeing. I term that “soft extermination”.

And the last step of all is Denial: refusing to take responsibility for actions. Blaming others. “Just following orders”, “Just following experts”, “Just following science”.

I bet a servo pie we see that in 2022 or 2023.

Unfortunately there is no victor here, so there will be no Nuremberg trial.

https://genocideeducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ten_stages_of_genocide.pdf
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November 30, 2021 1:53pm
Maggie Pie

What happens if your QR-CODE gets damaged?

A girl from tennis was telling me her little daughter found her ‘Vaccine Pass’ and added more dots to it with a black-marker pen.

Will it still be usable?
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November 30, 2021 1:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That’s why you print off dozens of copies…
  
  I’m sure some folks will have used smudgy printers and cheap as crap printer paper for their Vaxpass.
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:01pm
- Ehlana
  
  Probably not, but she should be able to reprint it.
  
  And maybe make a pretend one for her daughter to play with instead.
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:03pm
- cmm
  
  That could be a good ploy: draw bunny rabbits on you Vax Pass etc. When queried, start screaming at the kid and they’ll let you in just to restore the peace.
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:09pm
- rangitoto
  
  Just download again. It’s valid for six months from the download date so download often.
  
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  November 30, 2021 3:32pm
emmess

Our politicians should take this poll in Victoria as serious warning.
94% of the general public are very disatisfied with the State governments performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XzFBLhYsdA&t=139s

That’s not a typo
94% not 49%
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November 30, 2021 1:57pm
- mawm
  
  6% of the state are in government?!!! One learns something new every day.
  
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  November 30, 2021 2:58pm
rangitoto

I used mine for the first time today to get a hair cut. All they did is scan it and it came up valid. No cross checking of name.
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November 30, 2021 2:13pm
graham

Thinking of having few friends around for a party? Better make sure you don’t have more than 25 mates around – otherwise you’ll have to check each attendee’s My Vaccine Pass.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/covid-19-delta-outbreak-traffic-lights-system-party-hosts-legally-required-to-check-guests-vaccine-passes/RDRLN2QGCUNLFOJJQRKMCBAHAY/

The Prime Minister’s Department told the Herald that, like businesses, if the organiser of a party or gathering chooses to use My Vaccine Pass under the new traffic light system, then they also have the obligation to check each attendee’s My Vaccine Pass.

“The rules for gatherings under the Covid-19 Protection Framework also apply to private, in-home gatherings like parties, and, just like under alert level settings, anyone hosting a party will need to make sure they are aware of the rules and requirements.”

Yep, under this Government, if you decide to have a few mates around for a party and the total number of people is more than 25, you – as the host – will be legally required to check the My Vaccine Pass of your mates.

They’ve lost the plot, they really have. Especially if they imagine for one minute that anybody is going to pay the slightest attention to this silliness. Most of my friends tend to be the law-abiding, wouldn’t-dream-of-breaking-the-law types, but no way will any of them take this seriously.
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November 30, 2021 2:53pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Let me guess, gangs and KO “clients” are exempt.
  
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  November 30, 2021 3:50pm
  - Nickc2
    
    What happens if the Coppers arrive and check Vax Certs and discover some people don’t have them, some are counterfeit, out of date, or in the hands of the wrong person, and the person who was responsible for checking them has already left the party or there wasn’t anyone checking?
    I guess it’s like Cindy’s random checking at the border, which IMO is nothing more than a hit-and-miss way of spreading the damned thing.
    
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    November 30, 2021 4:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/white-smoke-emanates-from-wuhan-lab-chimney-signaling-a-new-variant-has-been-named
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November 30, 2021 3:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ghislaine Maxwell did not kill herself – yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRF-T5JZABw
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November 30, 2021 3:26pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

It’s not only what Jacinda says these days that are very worrying….
but does anyone else find her ‘hand movements’ a bit weird?

https://twitter.com/NzStew/status/1465484603506843650
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November 30, 2021 4:02pm
- Nickc2
  
  I hate being lectured at in a Kindy Teacher manner.
  
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  November 30, 2021 4:11pm
- Rich Prick
  
  It’s a trait possessed by many leftie women. Check out Nancy Pelosi sometime, her’s are off the charts.
  
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  November 30, 2021 5:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Dr. Faucis and Brian Stelters of the world are out in force today, trying to terrify the public over the latest strain of covid – the sinister sounding “omicron variant.” New York has already suspended elective surgeries, and Biden has banned travel from a handful of countries (I’m old enough to remember when travel bans were considered “xenophobic”).
Mark my words: Authoritarians like Fauci will use this so-called omicron variant as an excuse to call for more lockdowns, more restrictions on your freedom, and a renewed push to ram through Biden’s un-Constitutional vaccine mandate. We are watching our freedoms being trampled, and we need more people to WAKE UP!
That’s why I’m so proud to be a part of The Daily Wire. When Biden issued his vaccine mandate, The Daily Wire was one of the first companies in the country to file a lawsuit in federal court. Their case remains the leading case in the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, and they are preparing to take this battle all the way to the Supreme Court.
Not only is The Daily Wire fighting against Biden’s vaxx mandate, but they are also working hard to spread the TRUTH about what’s going on in our country. Big Tech is in collusion with the Biden administration to control what kind of information you’re allowed to have access to. They are cracking down on anyone who dares to question the party line. That’s why The Daily Wire’s reporting is so vital. They are one of the only voices out there brave enough to challenge the Big Tech censors and speak the truth.
The Daily Wire is in a unique position to lead on these fights for one reason: they have the support of their amazing Daily Wire Members. These members provide The Daily Wire with the resources they need to fight Biden’s vaccine mandate and get the truth out to the people despite Big Tech attempts to silence dissent.
But truth be told, The Daily Wire is facing an uphill battle. Their lawsuit against Biden’s vaccine mandate is likely to cost millions of dollars when all is said and done. And countering the lies of the leftist media is a constant challenge.

Candace Owens
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November 30, 2021 4:17pm
- mawm
  
  She’s a remarkable woman.
  
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  November 30, 2021 6:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You will never get the truth out of a Narcissist.
The closest you will come is a story that either makes them the victim, or the hero – but never the villain.
Look at them – you fucking know who is doing this …..
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November 30, 2021 5:38pm
Maggie Pie

Just heard Luxo on with HDPA,,,

OMG! Take my money now!! 😀

Thank goodness it wasn’t Soimon.
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November 30, 2021 5:55pm
Russ the Muss

Tv3 news..they are not even hiding their hatred for National and for the right. 3 female ‘journalists’ just pouring it on to the new guy…..what a cluster our media are. No honeymoon here, not even for one news cycle. Pack of useless twats.
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November 30, 2021 6:26pm
Truman lodge

Chicken Spot was busy tonight so I went to homestead chicken in Avondale..
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November 30, 2021 6:35pm
Scooter

Jacinda wearing another gorg outfit, this time in Hamilton. Comments on her fb reckon she’s moses or with the Taliban. To me it looks like she’s about to go gardening.
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November 30, 2021 8:08pm
Maggie Pie

Home alone tonite. Tuesday is ‘card-nite’ for the boys.
Just watched that ‘House Movers’ show with Clarke Gayford.
First time I’ve ever really seen him up close.
Really nice guy I reckon. Very down to earth.
Easy to see what the girls see in him.
Just saying.
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November 30, 2021 8:54pm
- Fletch
  
  Don’t tell Mr Maggie Pie that, or you’ll be the one moving house ?
  
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  November 30, 2021 9:31pm
Jack5

Is this Red Radio’s “Right wing” commentator?

A Ben Thomas on Bob Jones’s blog seems to be offering to bet $50 that a Jacindarella coalition will win the next election.

Among the country’s Ben Thomases is the former National Party press secretary who pops up in Radio NZ panels, to give a semblance of balance.

See comments at end of:

https://nopunchespulled.com/2021/11/30/the-end-of-jacindamania/#more-3091
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