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Warren

Government launches inquiry into high costs of building materials, suspecting poor competition to blame.
Firstly this has been one of the main problems that builders have been telling this Government for the last four years and what have they done absolutely zilch, nothing just like petrol prices and the grocery market .the problem is the Government waits until they are in trouble in the polls and then roll out things most Labour Voters want to hear.
When will people wake up to this Government as it’s all about them always someone else is fault never themselves and they are masters of deciet, lies and cover ups.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/government-launches-inquiry-into-high-cost-of-building-materials-suspecting-poor-competition-to-blame/3FYSNGVISJIYQ7TDT7QJVA3AGQ/
When will this Government work for all New Zealander’s and do things for everyone instead of trying to create animosity to devide New Zealand .
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November 22, 2021 8:00am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I predict this will have the same result as the inquiry into petrol prices.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:46am
  - backster
    
    The party lackies doing the enquiry including the maori representative will be richly endowed though.
    
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    November 22, 2021 8:57am
  - Ehlana
    
    There was a result from that?
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:07am
    - alloytoo
      
      increased taxes and higher prices.
      
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      November 22, 2021 9:41am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed; we’re paying $2.55 for a litre of 91 octane in Whanganui, and I can’t remember prices ever being at that level. If we are getting “fleeced at the pump” as Jacinda Ardern alleged a couple of years ago when she commissioned the inquiry, dare I suggest that it is the Government who is doing most of the fleecing?
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:19am
    - Lance
      
      Govt sticks way more tax on petrol and blames price rises on oil companies.
      I guess there are a significant number of morons buying into that propaganda.
      
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      November 22, 2021 9:33am
      - Bluegrass
        
        The price of gasoline out of the refinery is around US$o.30 cents a US gallon. The rest is tax.
        
        I was paying US 99 cents a gallon in Detroit 2 years ago.
        
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        November 22, 2021 1:15pm
    - sooty
      
      This government is doing very well thank you from the tax they take at the pump!
      They did cut their own throat with the lockdowns reducing petrol consumption and tax!
      
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      November 22, 2021 9:40am
    - kowtow
      
      Funny innit how people love to hate the ‘big oil” companies who’re actually providing the goods and services and ignore it’s big gubmint that’s doing the actual fleecing .
      
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      November 22, 2021 9:56am
    - igm
      
      She and chubby cheeks need the extra GST to bribe media and their lackeys.
      
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      November 22, 2021 10:03am
    - Nickc2
      
      You are right Tony. Courtesy of Mr. Google:
      
      Currently, just under a third of the pump price is the actual cost of refined petrol while about 55% is tax i.e. 77.284 cents per litre in fixed excise (not including the 10c Auckland Regional Fuel Tax), plus the Emissions Trading Scheme levy (approximately 9cpl) and GST.
      
      The Govt should hold an enquiry into its own tax take from fuel.
      
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      November 22, 2021 10:59am
      - Bob
        
        Nick2… Ardern is not remotely interested in factual accuracies from enquiries. That is why she and Robertson have stacked the membership of the committee with Socialist lackies. Harley going to provide a credible outcome.
        Look how successful the building of the new Dunedin hospital has been; headed by a failed politician from the Clark era.
        
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        November 22, 2021 12:00pm
    - RoboRob
      
      The great thing for the govt is that much of their tax on petrol is a % of the total price, so as the price goes up the govts tax take rises dramitically. They really don’t care much about how expensive it becomes, unless of course it starts hurting in the polls 🙂
      
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      November 22, 2021 11:29am
      - Isobar
        
        Isnt only GST the % part? The rest of the excise tax was fixed i thought?
        
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        November 22, 2021 5:31pm
  - lemuzz
    
    Because the Government collects so much tax from petrol and diesel is the reason fuel prices are so high (and they give EV’s a free ride. EV owners should be paying the same as any other road user) Fuel retailers they found, are not making excessive profits They will find this with the building industry and house prices. I don’t think house prices are the problem. $550,000 for a house and land but an empty section in Christchurch about $300000. Consents and taxes make up far too much for the price of housing but Government won’t reduce these. GST on $600, 000 alone is $90,000
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:11am
  - Paulus
    
    And Supermarkets !
    
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    November 22, 2021 1:24pm
- JackRabbit
  
  When will people wake up to this Government as it’s all about them always someone else is fault never themselves and they are masters of deciet, lies and cover ups.
  
  Indeed, they have created the problems with their policies and lock downs, and the policies and lock downs internationally, which they are implicit in helping create.
  
  So now they are on another witch hunt and another excuse to spend money and in doing so, grace the palms of willing sycophant consultants, buying more loyalty. All paid with by printed money.
  
  Similar inquiries into the high cost of petrol, power, cost of living, house prices, and the high suicide rates, child poverty, and [insert latest crusade here], are pointless and fruitless since it is the govt policies, manipulation, and control of the marketplace that is causing all the problems in the first place.
  
  Easily compared to fat Billy Bunter, with cream all over his mouth, double chin, hands, and school blazer, leading a witch hunt to find out who ate all the cream buns.
  
  Clearly there are no mirrors in the House of Ardern.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:20am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The gulliblement can blame it on themselves.
  Building material prices are constantly increasing as they must when their input costs rise or are likely to. How can a supplier not warn a long term contractor that prices will be shifting upwards?
  Short term shopping like in supermarkets gives opportunity for flexibility for price competition because the outcomes are almost immediate.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:46am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Sorry to laugh Warren, but I’ve said what I’m going to say before. Labour supporters are nearly always worse off under a Labour Government, yet they keep voting them in. And to take that a bit further, what is the old definition of stupidity? You do the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
  There’s also other evidence of this. Carlo M Cipolla outlined the “Basic Laws of Human Stupidity”. The matrix he created shows the stupid do things that do not benefit themselves, and do not benefit society.
  
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  November 22, 2021 11:35am
  - yobi
    
    I am a voter of the right, always have been and always will be. I have a (apparently very large) rental portfolio. Under a right leaning government I make a modest profit. Under a left leaning government (and more so with these muppets) my profits skyrocket. Labour supporters are their own worst enemies.
    
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    November 22, 2021 5:20pm
- surfing
  
  Mate of mine gets free overseas trip if he buys from placemakers.
  
  I’m sure placemakers aren’t paying for the trip, rather, the builders customers pay through inflated pricing.
  
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  November 22, 2021 12:01pm
  - stuarts-burgers
    
    Speaking to a mate about the “Free Trips”
    He said in their industry they were set so that the increase in business that they bring from each of the travelers more than pays for the trip.
    Then there is the guy who ups his spending but not enough to hit his target no trip but increased sales
    
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    November 23, 2021 6:08am
- Fishing in the dark
  
  They never could sort out the petrol pricing and the groceries pricing, All what they do just launch another enquiry and producing only handsome incomes for these useless consultants with compliments of the taxpayers and generating climate-damaging hot air.
  
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  November 22, 2021 12:07pm
- Isobar
  
  I get what you are saying, but i dont see why its ok for the previous govt or the labour one before that to sit on their arses and do nothing about it, but all of a sudden a problem thats been around since the late 80’s should have been solved in the last four years.
  
  The fact that its taken 30 years before someone has even talked about it is the biggest issue. Thats 30years of fletchers and co making excess profits at the cost of everyone whilst the politician types gladly looked the other way.
  
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  November 22, 2021 5:36pm
artemisia

Unvaxxed will need a negative test before travelling in many circs. And some employers are talking about regular negative tests.

Hmmm, the current rule is –

If you are waiting for the results of a COVID-19 test, it is important you stay home until you get a negative result. If you cannot work from home, your employer can apply for the COVID-19 Short-Term Absence Payment for you so you can continue to get paid.

Employers better fire up the printer for all the applications for government relief.
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November 22, 2021 8:02am
- R
  
  your employer can apply for the COVID-19 Short-Term Absence Payment
  
  One would’ve thought common sense would apply and employees would be tested rapidly, so little time is needed for the results. But one would also think that the risk of contracting Covid would be taken into account. Presumably no assessment of risk is to be done. And this is what WINZ says:
  
  There’s a one-off payment of $359 for each eligible worker. You can only apply for it once, for each eligible employee, in any 30-day period (unless a health official or doctor tells the employee to get another test).
  
  So, only one test per month will be reimbursed.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:04am
  - lemuzz
    
    Throwing a sickie will now have a new meaning. How can it be monitored?
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:22am
    - sooty
      
      The sicky has just stretched out to 3 or 4 weeks to get over covid. Don’t worry the boss aint coming around to check up!
      
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      November 22, 2021 12:50pm
    - artemisia
      
      It will be monitored as the employer will be given the test result which presumably shows the test date and the date received. Most employers will be able to subtract one date from the other.
      
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      November 22, 2021 2:16pm
igm

David Seymour is right once again in his analysis of Labour support. It comes from public servants who have not lost any income, are safe inside luxurious premises (paid for by Nat/ACT supporting taxpayers), have no monetary outlaid by way of business interests and a “fuck you” attitude to those who are suffering, yet paying to support them.
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November 22, 2021 8:04am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Plus an entitlement to regular salary increases despite declining or any productivity.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:35am
Vory v zakone

Here’s some information about Kyle Rittenhouse that some ignorant morons missed. (Is it because the #FakeNews media never told them?)

I didn’t know the gas station where it all started and where Kyle stayed up until they started attacking him, is owned by his grandparents. The thugs came on to his property to attack him.
I didn’t know that Kyle put out a dumpster fire that was being rolled down to a gas station to blow up, with people all around.
I didn’t know that the Police were told to stand down as businesses were destroyed.
I didn’t know that Kyle’s Dad, Grandma and Friends all lived in Kenosha, 20 minutes from where he resided with his Mom part time in Illinois.
I didn’t know that someone knocked Rittenhouse down twice and then attempted to kick him with lethal force to the head.
I didn’t know that Huber had hit him in the head twice with a skateboard.
I didn’t know Gaige Grosskreutz, a felon in possession of firearm, aimed his gun at Kyle first, as he admitted on the stand.
I also didn’t know that in the State of Wisconsin, it is legal for Kyle to have a gun, even at 17 (which was why the gun charge was dismissed).
I didn’t know that Kyle did not cross state lines with a gun he wasn’t supposed to have. The rightful gun owner did, as he was legally permitted to do.
I also didn’t realize that Rosenbaum was a 5 time convicted child rapist and that Huber was a 2 time convicted woman beater. I didn’t know that Grosskreutz was a convicted Burglar with an assault on his record also.

Meanwhile Miranda Devine sums up the lies
https://nypost.com/2021/11/17/10-debunked-heinous-lies-about-kyle-rittenhouse-devine/
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November 22, 2021 8:04am
- Nickc2
  
  Most of what you have bought to KBs attention was broadcast by FOX TV.
  One shouldn’t rely on NZs MSM to bring you the news and nothing but the News without Left-Leaning Political Influence. Likewise, one shouldn’t rely on US Democrat favouring News Outlets for unbiased reporting.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:52am
- Rich Prick
  
  The trouble with all of that is that none of it fits the left’s narrative. I think the media will be poorly judged by this. Probably in defamation proceedings.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:00am
- Matt Long
  
  I hope Kyle is able to successfully sue all the liars including Pres. Brandon for enough to set him and his family up for life.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:01am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    The last kid that MSM went after for the crime of smiling got 250 million. Wishing Kyle all the best.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:43am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Has a US President ever been sued while in office before?
      
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      November 22, 2021 4:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Stormy Daniels, and she paid the legal bill. Think her lawyer is in deep shit too
        
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        November 22, 2021 5:31pm
  - crikey
    
    Let’s go Brandon!
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:32am
  - Unity
    
    Do you mean President Biden?
    
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    November 22, 2021 4:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nah, Brandon. Check spelling.
      #Trump 2024
      
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      November 22, 2021 5:33pm
- Ruahine
  
  Facts that are not likely to be reported in the mendacious New York Times however.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:05am
- ABS4EVA
  
  Quite a restrained Individual when
  You READ THE TRUTH
  The reality is the Same RABID left MOB
  Howls Death to WHITE MALEs in UNISON Everywhere at any and every opportunity are really UPSET don’t worry they Another of Their Loonie Lefties will go and take out someone UNARMED or RAPE Children.
  
  With Almost Full support of their Anti Social Media and their Nut Job Sicko Media and governments
  
  SYRIAN Girl Sums up the Hypocrites
  
  Joe Biden says he’s angry and concerned about Kyle Rittenhouse acquittal “We can’t have kids going around shooting pedophiles named Joe”
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Send this to p1lay school TV1
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:13am
  - sooty
    
    Trust the NZ media? Never!
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:43am
- kowtow
  
  Today’s Ferald cartoon shows a skunk in the judge’s seat .
  
  Centre right outlet , not.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:02am
- Local Miller
  
  You probably also didn’t know that NONE of the 3 people shat were black, but were actually white!
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    White trash ferals
    
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    November 22, 2021 5:34pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I read your informative post then looked at this morning’s cartoon in the NZ Herald.
  That reprehensible and contemptible cartoonist is nauseating in the extreme.
  Portraying the judge as a skunk when the only pungent smell is the bullshit in the Herald’s editorial room; I have more respect for a kiddy fiddler.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:35am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Are you talking about the first “victim”?
    
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    November 22, 2021 3:17pm
- Alan1930
  
  They didn’t “miss” it – they didn’t mention it because none of it is truthful.
  
  Reality is what actually happens – not what groups with agendas make up because they have no integrity.
  
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  November 22, 2021 6:50pm
Yvette

There is a dichotomy where Labour can laud: values like whanaungatanga, kaitiakitanga and manaakitanga [explained as …] – the power of being connected to each other, having an ethic of care, respect in the way we progress, and taking care of things for ourselves and our mokopuna [Climate Change Commission Report, 2021] – and, at the same time, proclaim : Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated [Kelvin Davis, 2017] and now … the least vaccinated.

• Green co-leader Marama Davidson told Q + A’s Jack Tame that until Aotearoa has equitable vaccination rates for Māori it is unsafe for the country to move into the traffic light system.
“Our Māori expertise in Covid, our Māori health providers should have been at the table from the very start to enable us to properly target those equities that are long-standing with Māori communities,” she said.
… “There has historically been a long period of mistrust right from colonisation.”

• “This is an invitation to you. This COP, learn our histories, listen to our stories, honour our knowledge and get in line, or get out of the way” – Māori climate activist India Logan-Riley, speech at the opening of the United Nations climate summit in Glasgow.

So, although having an oral history emanating from the seven great canoes they immigrated in, Maori are now esteemed as an indigenous wonder people of peace (despite inter-tribal warfare, slavery and cannibalism, but to be equated with sending children from Britain to the Australian colonies for stealing a lot of bread?) and environmental knowledge (again, despite burning enough of the South Island to leave ash deposits in Antartica) but still not uplifted out of poverty so fulfil the “mantra” of being lowest in nearly all social statistics, and by that “mantra” are colonised a second time.

But while Newshub poses Question of the Day: Who should lead the National party? Be it this year or next, all signs point to curtains for Collins, ‘Couldn’t even breathe’: The challenges of caring for COVID-infected relatives at home, Newshub-Reid Research poll: Two-thirds of Kiwis don’t understand new COVID-19 ‘traffic light’ system, as Jacinda runs out of fingers to put in the dyke, and Coronavirus: Te Pāti Māori slams ‘very white’ COVID-19 vaccine rollout, says Māori not to blame for low vaccination coverage … while all this crap invades our minds …
… the covid virus (mindless natural entity, but “driven” as every other thing in the Universe: to multiply) will engulf the whole of New Zealand, as most of all other countries, and render vaccine “milestones”, passes that expire from their down-load date rather than two weeks after your second injection, 100,000 houses, 1 billion trees, 3 Waters, Brian Tamaki and Auckland light rail, all totally academic, as the virus – mindless as it is – separates the wheat from the chaff.
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November 22, 2021 8:06am
- Ehlana
  
  Yvette, I was amazed when I finally downloaded my vaccine pass to find that the expiry date relates to the download date, not the vaccination date. Seriously?
  How exactly will this government communicate to the virus that it is not to attack me between the end of six months from vaccination and the end of the six months from download?
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It is a clever virus
    
    Don’t underestimate evolutionary capabilities of ‘clever’ coronavirus, scientists warn
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/covid-variants-mutations-vaccines-latest-b1832152.html
    
    It is a smart virus
    https://news.gsu.edu/2021/03/16/the-smart-virus/
    
    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/covid-19-caused-by-a-smart-virus-that-can-find-blindspots-crucial-for-system-to-be
    
    But ,
    it is a “tricky” virus
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/what-makes-covid-19-a-tricky-virus
    
    (as far as I can tell, it seems to be a standard, bog coronavirus….. no cleverer, smarter or trickier than other viruses)…..
    This use of anthropomorphic adjectives to describe a virus is pure SPIN.
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:22am
  - Joely Doe
    
    Just download a QR Code Reader/Generator and make your own QR code. Easy enough to do – they even supply it in a simple PDF format for quick editing.
    Can edit name, DOB, expiration date (pass, not me hopefully) and just generate a new QR Code to take it’s place.
    Insert the new QR Code, reprint and laminate.
    I can’t see this being a clusterfcuk at all…
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:34am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Your fake ID would still give validation to the concept though. You’d still be “playing ball.”
      
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      November 22, 2021 10:46am
      - bronny1
        
        That’s where i ended up too.
        I could make a fake ID but actually, i don’t want to be involved in this system. I have everything i need at home (or can buy it online) and I don’t miss going to cafes, bars, restaurants, so i’ll just ride it out.
        
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        November 22, 2021 12:09pm
  - Matt Long
    
    It is significantly harder to make a site that will line up vaccination dates with people than to just give a six month expiry. There may be additional improvements over time.
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:38am
    - sooty
      
      All it does is use the information supplied, so how hard is it to fill in another box with the info supplied?
      But it is labour driven and we all know how that’s turned out before!
      
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      November 22, 2021 9:48am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      The fact that the expiry apparently bears no relationship to the purported efficacy period of the vaccine confirms – if you didn’t already know – that the concept is not about health or medical science. If vaccine status was about health and not control and compliance, then the expiry would be in line with the alleged need for a booster. It isn’t, so this shows that it is not about health.
      
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      November 22, 2021 10:50am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Correct, it’s absolute proof that the whole response is a charade. Of course, the fact that being vaccinated not only doesn’t stop the spread of the virus and in fact is looking as though it makes it worse, makes the whole concept of a “vaccine certificate” completely ludicrous.
        
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        November 22, 2021 1:50pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      So freedom is at the whim of IT shit? Fuck that. I hardly trust the geeks with my Word files.
      
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      November 22, 2021 7:21pm
  - Yvette
    
    Ehlana,
    that your Vaccination Pass came with an Expiry Date confirms the vaccine wains, and – apart from continuing, it seems, that you remain protected against serious illness, hospitalisation or even death, other aspects of its efficacy fades – not from an arbitrary download date, but from two weeks after your second injection.
    
    I had my 2nd dose considerably earlier than another family member, who happened to download her Vaccine Pass before I did mine, so she now has an Expiry Date earlier than mine, which of course should procede hers.
    
    For anyone who had their second vaccine dose on Tuesday, 3 May 2021 or earlier, their Vaccine Pass should display an expired date.
    
    If this over-sight, ignorant or deliberate error remains unchanged, and all those eligible do get vaccinated (dreaming) and download a Vaccination Pass, the new Traffic Light System (apparently currently not understood by two thirds of the population) with then attempt to operate with the perhaps fatal handicap of 4.2 million false Vaccine Passports.
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:41am
    - Ehlana
      
      Thanks Yvette.
      
      Sounds like you’re suggesting every single issued vaccination pass would eventually be wrong.
      
      That’s a 100% achievement for this government!
      
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      November 22, 2021 1:37pm
  - alloytoo
    
    So I should really avoid downloading it until I actually need it to access goods an services
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:46am
    - Yvette
      
      Alloytoo, So I should really avoid downloading it until I actually need it …
      
      Correct!
      
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      November 22, 2021 10:57am
      - alloytoo
        
        Well it was never going near my phone, just a silly little worthless piece of paper in my wallet.
        
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        November 22, 2021 12:48pm
    - oc35
      
      You can download again it and the expiry date will be 6 month from download. System developed by idiots.
      
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      November 22, 2021 6:53pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        Or very sympathetic coders!
        
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        November 22, 2021 7:57pm
  - bronny1
    
    my mate was vaxxed in April. Now she has till next May before it expires.
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:55am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That’s a potential superspreader right there. The ineptitude of Ardern and her cronies is breathtaking at times.
      
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      November 22, 2021 1:54pm
      - Clownworld
        
        Incompetence or planned that way?
        
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        November 23, 2021 2:31am
- Taieri
  
  honour our knowledge and get in line, or get out of the way” – Māori climate activist India Logan-Riley, speech at the opening of the United Nations climate summit
  ———–
  
  And what precisely is this knowledge that India Logan-Riley possesses and we should honour I wonder?
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:28am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    If it really was knowledge she would not need to put the word ‘our’ in front of it.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:33am
  - Bob
    
    Taieri… you have to drink the AGENDA coolaid to know what the knowledge is!; and be of low cognitive development.
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:05pm
- Warren
  
  Yvette when people wake up to the fact that it is Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister making all the bullets for her besties Jessica Mutch, Tova O’Brien, Jenna Lynch all the young brigade Journalists helping to contribute a bad odour in our Political spectrum and giving the media a platform to abuse what Journalism is supposed to stand for things won’t get better for those that have dedicated there lives to making New Zealand a better place to live.
  But what worries me the most is that Senior once respected Female Journalists like Clare Trevett, Audry Young, Fran O’Sullivan and Jo Moir have just played follow the Leader to this Younger Mob and have also lost the respect and ability they once had.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:58am
  - Bob
    
    have also lost the respect…
    yes BUT! they have a hand in the media bribe trough now.
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:07pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori equities in health? What more do they want?
  Equity arises out of rights of citizenship. They cannot complain (but some do) that not all those they claim to be Maori are not.They may have some residual DNA but that does not mean they are still attached to any tribal control. Most Maori now seem to be part of the general population of New Zealand and their former tribal links an irrelevancy.
  Inequities if any have been more than compensated for by the masssive settlements.
  Health outcomes depend on willingness to make themseleves available. Health does not deal with spiritual matters even less ancient Maori pagan ones. Maori are free to practice what they will in their own time.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:03am
  - Unity
    
    I’m fed up with Maori being continually portrayed as ‘special needs’ people. If I was them I would be totally insulted. What is wrong with taking a bit of responsibility for themselves? Surely it’s not too hard. Many already do proving that it’s nothing to do with their Maori ancestry. They all have ‘other’ ancestry in their make-up so, just to be facetous, if the Maori side isn’t working perhaps they should elevate their ‘other’ side?!
    
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    November 22, 2021 4:35pm
- tf78
  
  Yvette, interesting about the “Question of the Day” just checked and right now 25,363 votes Judith 41% and Simon 43% Luxon 17%. So not quite as conclusive as you think.
  
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  November 22, 2021 6:10pm
In Vino Veritas

I note that Ian Foster continues to drag the All Blacks down to his own mediocre standard. As always, there will be an excuse.
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November 22, 2021 8:06am
- pdm
  
  His offsider Plumtree has an equally mediocre record.
  
  Time for both to go.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:00am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    It’s also noteworthy that, behind the scenes in the ABs “back office” travelling entourage, I know that there are people who have been there for 10 to 15 years.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:54am
- jon
  
  Scott Robertson should have been the coach. The guy is super fit and looks credible as a coach with an excellent coaching record of the Crusaders.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:35am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    And Canterbury NPC Jon. Unlike Foster, who has a history of failure and losing.
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:37am
- alloytoo
  
  It’s really a reflection of Government,
  
  Key/English brought us two Titles
  
  Ardern/Robertson, not so much.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:49am
  - Warren
    
    To be fair Labour excel at failure, Housing , Business and Economy, Health, Immigration, Transport and Transparency are just a few that prove they are inept and out of depth.
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:40pm
RockyJ

Frequently the ghastly Herald does something to reinforce my decision a year ago to withdraw my subscription. The lastest is a series “Beyond White Guilt” a truly vomit inducing series of “lessons” for white people on, you know, how bad we are. Here is the link if you enjoy self abasement. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/beyond-white-guilt-time-for-pakeha-to-stand-up-against-racism-say-educators/S46QOPBVDJWQRK4RLBP4DLBSMY/
The line that really got me was “Pakeha take responsibility for the harm we cause”. Yeah what?
Don’t these idiots understand that by rubbing our noses in the alleged sins of those long dead, and obviously still living, that they create the racism they seem to do oppose?
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November 22, 2021 8:08am
- AndyW
  
  I wonder if this racism applies to the thugs who assaulted the 15 year old Indian girl in Whangarei.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:41am
  - TripeWryter
    
    No, AndyW. Nor will the races of the thugettes be mentioned, either.
    If they were white the condemnations would have been thunderously ringing by now.
    Our media in particular are not interested, in my opinion, in the racism directed by Maori and Pacific Islanders at Asians in particular.
    I’ve witnessed it in Wellington and in Auckland.
    On buses and commuter trains in Wellington and the Hutt Valley the racist remarks – and some of them grossly insulting – have not been made by white people. The last time, earlier this year, was a Maori or Pacific Island boy, aged 10-12, who was allowed by the elderly woman with him to berate an Asian driver for missing a stop.
    ‘Fuck off back to where you fuckin’ came from ya fuckin’ slant-eyed ning-nong.’
    The woman with him said nothing. Where does a 10-12 year old learn that he can talk like that to another human being.
    I was threatened by a group of pubescent Maori-Island girls from some local state housing because I objected to their sing-song mockery of the accents of the Chinese family running the fish and chip shop around the corner.
    They filmed me on their cameras as I remonstrated with them. They promised me that they’d find out where I lived and ‘our dads and uncles will be coming around to see you’. Ha-ha snigger snigger giggle giggle.
    A local Indian dairy owner knows from long experience who will steal from his shop and who will racially abuse him and his family.
    I have witnessed Asian employees at the Britomart and Mt Eden railway stations abused by non-white school children.
    I have been out for the day with my part-Filipina granddaughter several times.
    The first instance of racism was by a Chinese schoolgirl wearing the uniform of a leading North Shore high school.
    The second was a Maori or Pacific Island woman as she was getting off the bus in Takapuna.
    Third and fourth by Maori or Pacific Island schoolkids. My granddaughter is 4.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:36am
- graham
  
  Yeah … nah. I don’t particularly enjoy self abasement, RockyJ, so I won’t be reading it. In fact I do everything I can to avoid having to read garbage like this which seeks to tell me what a truly awful bastard I am because I have committed the heinous sin of being white.
  
  I thought these days we, as a society, were trying to move away from judging people based on the colour of their skin or their heritage? Obviously not.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:47am
- backster
  
  No comments=Debate banned. Why not put this stuff behind the paywall.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:13am
- Jack5
  
  It’s the Herald giving Ardernists payback for their subsidies from taxpayers.
  
  This, from the article, praises the revisionist history with which the Woke are right now brainwashing our children and grandchildren:
  
  The new histories curriculum is going to bring critical conversations to the fore in our schools, classrooms, communities and homes. Now more than ever, Pakeha need to raise their voices in support of their children’s schools, teachers and communities embracing this change and must learn alongside their children and grandchildren.
  
  The Herald is calling for self-renunciation from white New Zealanders. That’s Woke racism, and a lot more.
  
  Should shareholders in New Zealand Media and Entertainment, the Herald’s owner, be thinking about their moral position?
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:30am
  - RockyJ
    
    Jack, the attack on our children makes me most angry. It is state sponsored child abuse. Woke history will make our children guilty about the past, the climate change curriculum will make them anxious about the future. No wonder youth suicide is so high.
    The Maori kids will just get angry and more bitter.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:16am
- BAM
  
  It’s what they have to write if they want any government handouts.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:52am
- alloytoo
  
  Herald perpetuates hate speech.
  
  No surprises there.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:55am
- jon
  
  RockyJ. That article had me wanting to throw up as well. Why do i continue to subscribe to this rag Herald? Proud to be WHITE and i dont bear any of this supposed White guilt nonsense!
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:00am
  - bronny1
    
    so cancel your subscription and put your bloody money where your mouth is!
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:12pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Cancelling the Herald, Listener, Sunday Star Times and stopping listening to Radio NZ has made my life infinitely happier, calmer and altogether more pleasant. Just do it!
      
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      November 22, 2021 2:29pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Govt bribes go a long way.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:03am
Suze Wainwright

Has anyone heard anything from a green MP lately?

Do they actually have the presence of mind to know that now is not their time, or is it because a fair chunk of their voter base are possibly anti-vax at the best of times
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November 22, 2021 8:08am
- Tricati
  
  Would a thought at least Chloe Swarbrick, as MP for Auckland Central, would have had a lot to say about the demise of businesses in her electorate, but missing in action. Bloody useless.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:06am
- ex-golfer
  
  Nah, its because they realise they can sit around doing nothing but watching their handsome Parliamentary salary rolling in.
  Doing work is foreign to them – as foreign as designing workable policy and (apart from Chloe) as foreign as winning electorate seats.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:17am
  - sooty
    
    They are all in witless protection!
    Not allowed to say boo, till their great white leader with nuts, gets back from his jolly!
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:52am
  - Bob
    
    Swarbrick didn’t ‘WIN” her seat, it was manipulatively managed into her presence by the media.
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:15pm
- Sofia
  
  Golriz is mentally self-isolating.
  But Davidson is still blurting forth (in the sense of: without careful consideration) her usual agenda.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:51am
  - graham
    
    At least Marama Davidson no longer holds forth on reclaiming the “C” word – remember that?
    
    Honestly, what was she smoking when she came out with THAT particular gem?
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:52am
  - Bob
    
    Davidson has a limited capacity to ‘learn new lines’, so just continues to parrot the old ones.
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:16pm
I remember when

Reid Research Poll shows 31% of people fully understand the traffic light system.
Obviously that is their personal opinion not verified by a test to ensure they are right.
How can you understand a system that has not yet been fully implemented.
The devil may well be in the detail once the system is in use.
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November 22, 2021 8:09am
- Lance
  
  Cindy was getting all hissy at Ryan Bridges on the AM show this morning.
  Ryan was asking logical questions about the new system/s and Cindy was in one breath saying it was all very simple and in the next avoiding answering any questions specifically on it’s implementation.
  Also asked if Nash was going to apologize to the farmers protest organizers. Obfuscation and comments around only his option blah blah.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:40am
  - Scooter
    
    Is there a link to this, thanks
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:45pm
Gravelroad

Election night 2020: Jacinda Ardern:
“We will be a party that governs for every New Zealander”.
True?
Or untrue?
So far, this woman and her associates sure aren’t governing for me and mine.
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November 22, 2021 8:10am
- amospicton
  
  She never promised to govern for second class citizens aka the unvaxxed aka the ‘deplorables’ though.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:12am
- Taieri
  
  True?
  ————
  
  True. In a way. As every New Zealander is affected by their mischiefs.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:14am
- Paulus
  
  Or Mine ~
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:25am
Maggy Wassilieff

3 stories on Newshub site today about rolling Judith Collins, including

Question of the day: Who should lead National?

REALLY!

The Question of the day/week/month should be: Does the PM know what she is doing?
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November 22, 2021 8:12am
- Frank the tank
  
  It’s Toxic’s last stand before she becomes Mike’s bitch and the 3rd ranking morning talkshow host. She is desperate to roll Collins before she moves on.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:20am
  - Bob
    
    Seems to me that TOVA may have been ‘rolled’ by the management!
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:17pm
- Paulus
  
  It is Tova at her finest vitriol.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:26am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “Does the PM know what she is doing?”
  
  PM asked simple question re size limit for “unvaxxed” gathering under “red traffic light” scenario” by Ryan Bridge this morning. Warbled for about 20 sec odd about current 25 limit until Bridge finally repeated the question, at which point she comes back quick as flash with correct answer of “10”.
  
  Guess those little hidden comms ear buds must be her saviour at times!
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:44am
  - alloytoo
    
    took 20secs for her team to google it.
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:57am
- Jack5
  
  Ardern sics the bought media on to National, alleging rifts in that party, when things are going downhill for her.
  
  [Does anyone outside Otago-Southland use the verb “to sic,” originally Scottish, meaning to attack, as in “he will sic his pig dogs on to the boar” ?]
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:46am
  - alloytoo
    
    I recall using it and hearing it used in my youth in Durban.
    
    Often as “Sic-em” as an encouragement to attack, or as “I’ll ‘sic’ the dogs on you.”
    
    Didn’t realize it was Scottish in origin, but then Scots often found themselves in god forsaken outposts of the empire.
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:56pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    I grew up with “sic” in our family repertoire. Top of the south for me.
    
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    November 23, 2021 12:09am
Nickc2

So Grant Robertson (Minister of Sport and Recreation) scuppered the NZ leg of Sail GP (Herald Paywalled) after earlier stating he had nothing to do with it saying it was an MIQ issue.
Will he be held to account? Probably not but it doesn’t change the fact that he lied about it and threw others under the bus.
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November 22, 2021 8:12am
- Ehlana
  
  “he lied about it and threw others under the bus.”
  
  Where have I heard that before in relation to this government?
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:28am
- Frank the tank
  
  Don’t worry he’ll have his Gordon Brown/Geoff Palmer moment soon enough. 2023 in the Wellington Central seat will be pretty depressing when he leads them to a sub 30% result…….
  
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  November 22, 2021 11:51am
Raphael

This type of thing pisses me off.

I treat people the same, regardless of skin colour or culture. If an individual proves himself to be scummy, that is on him/her and I will treat them accordingly.
I encourage my kids to do the same.
Despite having lived here for over 14 years (and 3 of my kids being born here) and despite now only having Kiwi citizenship, I still regularly receive xenophobic comments from the Left (and once from a very drunken, and racist Maori neighbour who apologised profusely once soberish)
But I also grew up under the tail end of Apartheid, and I didn’t like it then, and I don’t like it now. And crap like this from the Herald just fosters a victim mindset, and blames people who have done nothing wrong.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/beyond-white-guilt-time-for-pakeha-to-stand-up-against-racism-say-educators/S46QOPBVDJWQRK4RLBP4DLBSMY/
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November 22, 2021 8:13am
- RockyJ
  
  That kind of thing just creates the racism they claim to despise
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:20am
- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I am constantly surprised when immigrants from South Africa think they have something useful to say about racism in Aotearoa.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:21am
  - plc
    
    Yet you were no doubt always happy to have an opinion from New Zealand about racism in South Africa
    
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    November 22, 2021 8:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m not surprised.
    These folks have lived under a system when privilege and rights for one race over others were state sanctioned.
    They can see parallels with how NZ is developing.
    
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    November 22, 2021 8:48am
  - ldypen
    
    Maybe, but I am quite happy for them to comment on the racism they see in New Zealand.
    
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    November 22, 2021 8:51am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Where the fuck is that place?
    
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    November 22, 2021 8:54am
  - bronny1
    
    Just wow.
    So racism only involves Maori. A white or black person from an apartheid country can’t possibly understand.
    I think the opposite is true, just as my Russian friend fears where NZ is heading more than most kiwis, someone who has lived under apartheid understands it way better than you or I ever will.
    
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    November 22, 2021 8:55am
  - pdm
    
    Mike – I am pretty sure he was referring to New Zealand.
    
    Aotearoa is a mythical place which does not exist.
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:12am
    - alloytoo
      
      Some sort of socialist nirvana like Azania.
      
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      November 22, 2021 1:00pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Don’t worry Mikey. Those burns will probably heal by the weekend
    lol
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:51am
  - kowtow
    
    Too right !
    
    Gregory Fortuin for example .
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:08am
  - Raphael
    
    And there is the Leftist making xenophobic comments.
    
    Did you stop to think that South African expats may call out the racist crap we see here because we know it leads to bad things?
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:13am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Why? My wife is continually sending money to help her lifelong coloured friend who worked with her in SA. Do you think you know more about racism than she does?
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:17am
  - mawm
    
    Maybe the experience of institutionalised racism gives one insight into it. The big mistake is that you assume all South Africans supported Apartheid. The Apartheid Government received a majority of the common vote only twice in its 45 years.
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:05am
    - Bob
      
      The apartheid system was a policy to help provide for the underprivileged people; unfortunately it was highjacked by the Communist left activists and discredited.
      
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      November 22, 2021 12:20pm
      - mawm
        
        Not quite. I not sure that many historians would agree with me either.
        
        After the Anglo-Boer war in addition to the massive urbanisation of poor under educated boers who’s families and farms had been destroyed, the British sidelined the Afrikaner from the economy. After years of low paid jobs in the government and white poverty there had been sufficient population growth to elect an Afrikaner party. This new government now was facing massive urbanisation of black people and realised that they need to protect their voting base. Hence the introduction of the pillars of Apartheid such as the Group Areas act, job reservation and the pass laws. Opposition to the exclusion of blacks from voting (an act of Westminster Parliament on formation of the Union) spawned the ANC in 1916. This organisation was later in the forefront of opposing Apartheid. It was hijacked by Communists to destroy the biggest economy in sub Saharan Africa and to fan the flames of racism.
        
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        November 22, 2021 4:08pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        And I’m not sure many historians would agree with your potted history of South Africa either.
        It is still relatively common to find South Africans in New Zealand who defend apartheid. Racism in New Zealand is a serious enough problem without adding the opinions of unreconstructed Afrikaners to the mix. There was enough of that in the 1980s (“you can’t have an opinion on apartheid unless you have been to South Africa”).
        We already have enough people pretending that the only racism in New Zealand is contained in policies that uphold the rights of indigenous people.
        
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        November 22, 2021 5:21pm
      - mawm
        
        mike – the facts about voting in SA are true. So I suppose that about 50% of white South Africans supported Apartheid. It does not mean that all did. Many actively fought against it, but you wouldn’t know that if your source of news was the BBC and the Guardian and those syndicated.
        
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        November 22, 2021 6:43pm
- Cinematic
  
  The msm can’t help themselves. This barrage of woke nonsense is a form of self mutilation. Readers are leaving in droves. Business is plummeting. Still they go on.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:21am
  - Bridgenag
    
    The Blokes at bowls are still asking me where to go for proper news……
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:29am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Pisses me off too. How about the Herald runs some ‘campaigns’ like
  
  – Why the failing education system is going to sink New Zealand?
  
  – How the housing market is making poverty (much) worsre
  
  Chinese people have been subject to terrible racisim including in New Zealand in the 19th and first part of the 20th century. And it still happens occasionally today – remember Twyford searching for people with “Chinese sounding names” who were buying houses.
  
  And yet I have never met a person of Chinese ethnicity in New Zealand who gives any of this a second thought – they are too busy getting on with life.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:22am
- Yabster
  
  just look at the fucktards writing this bullshit- white academics – The Herald getting its share of the media fund though….
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori only survived as a race because we were prepared to help out of their utu death play.
  We brought governance and a future.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:33am
- graham
  
  Agree 100%. I stopped reading Stuff for several reasons, but one of those was that they simply would not let up on the messaging that somehow EVERY SINGLE white New Zealander was guilty of inflicting hurt and harm on Maori.
  
  I am generally pretty easy going and can let a lot of things just wash over my head, but when I started seeing over and over again the insidious message that as a white New Zealander of British descent I need to feel shame and tearfully apologise for events that took place long before I was even born, I found myself becoming increasingly annoyed at the accusations being levelled at me by so-called journalists who didn’t know me from a bar of soap but still felt that they were entitled to to accuse me of perpetrating tremendous harm on Maori. I don’t quite know what they hoped to achieve, but I felt that if I persisted in reading these articles it would begin to cause me mental and emotional harm; so I vowed to stop visiting Stuff. And if the Herald starts going down this path with a vengeance, I’ll stop visiting their site also.
  
  I do not believe in the concept of collective guilt that certain sectors of society are trying to ram down the throats of white New Zealanders, and I will not accept it.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:41am
  - bronny1
    
    i left stuff the day of “the apology”, deleted the apps, and will never return.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:01am
  - Southtop2
    
    Graham – I take a slightly different perspective. I check out stuff daily for a couple of reasons:
    the quiz and to know who NOT to support with my hard earned $’s. Today is Bayley’s and the Warehouse. Especially the latter as the hypocrisy is really deep in that business.
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:15am
- Rich Prick
  
  If everything is racist, nothing is. The left should be careful with what they agitate for.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:24am
- Tom Hunter
  
  I keep telling people that this shit is coming from the USA and attention needs to be paid because it is going to be taught in our schools as well:
  
  The game teachers are playing is saying “there is no CRT in the curricula,” which is true(ish) – but what they’re not telling you is that they are explicitly embracing CRT in the pedagogy – that is how they teach everything. Critical race theory is the lens through which they teach everything, even math.
  
  There are plenty of academics who know about this, including those who teach the teachers, and they’re gagging to put a Maori spin on it.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:31am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Vomit inducing. If that stupid woman’s family stole land let her do something about it other than trying to pass the blame onto everyone else.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:43am
- alloytoo
  
  Ironically they don’t want people to stand up to the soft bigotry of low expectations.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:03am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Exactly. The truly crippling racism.
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:00pm
- surfing
  
  I have a Deutsch friend who arrived here around 4 years ago. He picked up on the Maori situation very quickly.
  
  He has already been the victim of maori crime too (serious crime).
  
  We already have the start of gated communities and people removing their children from schools with high maori rolls. You see society segregating… will it continue? Who knows.
  
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  November 22, 2021 3:17pm
Frank the tank

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ron-desantis-legislation-florida-companies-vaccine-mandate-rescind-termination

As much as trump amuses me. DeSantis actually gets shit done and is a better option than Trump in 2024.
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November 22, 2021 8:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  DeSantis is not dealing with shitheads like the overall US Media, Obama, Killary, and a whole lot of fucking RINOS
  
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  November 22, 2021 6:00pm
Simon

Key Orrra Aaatearowa allow me to introduce myself. My name is Rupert Montrose Luxon. This fine Maori cloak I am wearing reminds us all of the tremendous responsibility we have to the planet.

Many of you are concerned about rising gun crime. But what is really rising are the sea levels. As it is written in science you first must have a sustainable planet before addressing gang violence.

As former CEO of Air NZ I always had an international focus. I spent as much time out of NZ as I could. As a citizen of the world I promise you as the next Prime Minister we will as a nation meet our international commitments. Its through our partnership with the world we can come together and heal as a nation.

Let’s heal together Aaatearowa. I am Rupert Luxon. Party vote National.
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November 22, 2021 8:13am
- pdm
  
  No thanks – not if Luxon is ever leader.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:14am
  - surfing
    
    What’s wrong with Luxon?
    
    There is not a lot of info about him, but, I like what I know so far.
    
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    November 22, 2021 3:19pm
- Frank the tank
  
  When Uncle Fester becomes leader is the day I formally transfer my vote to Act.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:37am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  “Ruperts” was a term of derision used for officers in the British army.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:54am
- Bob
  
  Where did this drivel come from. Did Ardern try to write her own speech?
  
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  November 22, 2021 12:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not gonna happen. Labour and the Greens are frothing at the mouth on the edge of the flat earth. The center left is now a void where National is headed. Get fucked National
  
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  November 22, 2021 6:02pm
mandk

I went to Wellington yesterday to support the farmers’ Groundswell protest.

There was a small group of extinction rebellion counter-protesters, several of whom were carrying signs that said :CO2 Kills.

I tried to point out to them that, without CO2, there would be no plant life and no life at all on earth, but it didn’t register.

Seems that feelz are more important than scientific fact.

God defend New Zealand from people like these.
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November 22, 2021 8:14am
- Hacked-Off
  
  That’s because those idiots flunked science and therefore fail to understand the photosynthesis process in plants. What do you expect?
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:48am
  - Lance
    
    The biosphere would prefer a higher CO2 level than we have now, evidenced by the much accelerated plant growth in prehistoric times.
    What in fact is the issue is whether or not there will be a sea level rise as in times past from melting ice caps.
    This is a human issue, not a “save the planet” issue.
    
    When the very basics of the real issue are completely wrong, it can only go down hill from there.
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:53am
    - Ian Boag
      
      biosphere would prefer a higher CO2 level
      
      The biosphere is an equilibrium of things as they now are. If you shift something like CO2 then lots of some other things will shift to a new equilibrium. More green stuff (less fertiliser?) – higher temperatures – acidification of the ocean – permafrost melting – releasing lots of methane. One could go on … Climate change … whatever.
      
      There is nothing about a new equilibrium that is human-friendly. It may or may not be so ….
      
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      November 22, 2021 7:16pm
- Ehlana
  
  If “CO2 Kills” should we all be dead already?
  
  Perhaps they think it too only came into existence in the last couple of years?
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:31am
  - sooty
    
    Can you get that stuff from the supermarket?
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:02am
    - Ehlana
      
      No, Sooty, it’s not in the supermarkets. They have the flavourings to go with it, but for the actual gas you’ll need to try somewhere like Briscoes or Noel Leeming. Google “Sodastream Gas Refill”.
      
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      November 22, 2021 12:51pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Countdown does stock the canisters.
        
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        November 22, 2021 1:07pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Stupidity kills faster. You don’t need to wait 50 years or whatever the current nonsensical deadline is.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:23am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The masks don’t help either forcing people to re-breathe 50% of their exhaled CO2.
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:03am
    - mawm
      
      That is patently untrue. Masks do not increase your deadspace by half your tidal volume. Simple physiology.
      
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      November 22, 2021 11:11am
    - Lance
      
      A myth spread by fools on the internet.
      Simple to test, get hold of a finger oximeter and measure before and during wearing a mask.
      
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      November 22, 2021 2:21pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If you continue to breathe recycled CO2 from wearing a mask, you may die. You may not die.
    Many want to die I guess
    
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    November 22, 2021 6:05pm
- Justitia
  
  Yes mandk I saw that sign too from my car in the protest convoy. Such abysmal ignorance. Yet these are the type of people who teach your kids in school.
  
  Judith Curry has a very interesting post today on how the UN IPCC’s modelling basically ignores or downplays the role of the Sun in driving climate, which is on an intellectual par with “CO2 kills”: https://judithcurry.com/2021/11/21/solar-variations-controversy/. She argues that this amazing secret cannot be swept under the rug for much longer, which will leave the catastrophists like Ardern and Shaw looking ridiculous. Sadly they have already turned a generation of young kids into depressed suicidal nihilists through their alarmist propaganda in schools, for which they should be criminally liable.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:44am
  - Doc Holliday
    
    Essentially, all the energy in the climate system comes from the Sun.
    
    I think the rest of the world’s 2M or so research scientists would notice if climate scientists were ignoring the Sun.
    
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    November 22, 2021 7:15pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Still with the appeal to authority.
      Love the way Judith Curry triggers you to come out from under your rock
      Say, when will we see this increase of 6C you keep saying is going to happen?
      We have been waiting 20-30 years now
      
      You’re the science denier Dennis
      
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      November 22, 2021 7:51pm
G152

Aussies get nuclear powered subs.
Not armed just powered.
So China says if they do that they’re a target.
Bets are off ..
Aussie, go get a hundred or so American ICBMs and train up.
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November 22, 2021 8:15am
- MCōs
  
  I saw an Australian Liberal Senator, Jim Molan, talking about the coming confrontation with China on TV last night.
  I don’t know what he’s hoping for. Does he want a war between China & America over Taiwan? If there is, which is highly unlikely, history shows America will never win.
  I don’t know why these guys rattle their sabres while they continue to trade with their adversary.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:19am
  - Don Beckett
    
    You’ve got it wrong MCos. It’s China rattling the sabres, and have been increasingly so for the past couple of years. They’re leading up to an invasion of Taiwan, and are trying to bluff the US & it’s allies – Australia, Japan, Phillipines & South Korea – into standing back & letting them do it.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:44am
    - backster
      
      I can’t see Senile Joe doing anything to stop it. It will be back to the basement with his mask on for him.
      
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      November 22, 2021 11:26am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Soros and Obama will not allow it
        
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        November 22, 2021 6:12pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Biden is there because Trump is not. Russia Russia Russia?
      Nope, China China China. Look at who Brandon is installing – Chinese sycophants.
      No offence to the Chinese people, even in NZ, just the CCP ideology
      
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      November 22, 2021 6:12pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    There seems to be a few mental midgets here with regards to war over Taiwan. Let’s explain this is simplest terms:
    
    1). Right now an amphibious invasion of Taiwan would almost be impossible without Nuclear weapons. Taiwan is capable of holding on till reinforcement arrived from allies based in South Korea and Japan. China won’t risk a conflict.
    2). The Australian sub deal basically FUCKS OVER China strategically as there will be anywhere up to 4 Aussie subs on top of US/UK subs in unknown positions that can strike the mainland prior to China being able to respond. The Chinese know this hence why they are throwing the toys out of the cot.
    3). China will play the long game with Taiwan and wait till the West is unable to economically, politically and militarily unable to assist Taiwan. This could be up to 50 years away, if at all.
    
    MCos if US/China go to war over Taiwan NOBODY FUCKING WINS!!!!
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:04pm
    - MCōs
      
      1 – China isn’t going to invade Taiwan.
      
      2 – Those submarines Australia has ordered are due for delivery in an different era, if they ever arrive.
      
      3 – China has claimed Taiwan is part of the country for seventy years since the Communists came to power. Before that it could be said to have been part of China back a couple of hundred years.
      
      In a sense there already is China/US war because it’s good for business & votes in the west and cohesion in China.
      If Oz was really serious about wanting to poke China in the eye they’d stop sending stuff they can’t get elsewhere. Ore is vital to China.
      
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      November 22, 2021 3:08pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Jim Molan is a former Aust Army Major General. Contrary to popular belief, Soldiers do not pray for war! Their job is to do whatever the Govt of the day tasks them to do.
    In a civilised country, Politicians make war, not the Military!
    
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    November 22, 2021 1:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Makes dollars in the US. Make guns, make artillery, make yuge weapons. Good for the US economy, just don’t sell to the wrong people and get caught.
    Benghazi anyone?
    
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    November 22, 2021 6:08pm
- Spoff
  
  Paul Keating on the subs:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k3J9q7rMlI
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:03am
  - Frank the tank
    
    China’s catspaw in Australia. Might as well got an interview from Xi himself.
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:56am
In Vino Veritas

Further to Mr Farrer’s post on Kyle Rittenhouse, and his admission that he was led astray by American media, Ben Shapiro on the lies told, and the continuation of those lies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrbAGRxF66U
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November 22, 2021 8:18am
- All_on_Red
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/after-prosecutors-find-mail-in-jury-votes-at-3am-rittenhouse-now-guilty
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:00am
I remember when

Another idle observation.
Crowd shots of the England vs Springbok game on Saturday.
As the camera panned around I carefully counted both the people wearing masks (and sitting together).
Limited research as only out of 300 to 400 in camera view.
The latest data (20 November) shows they have an average 7 day total of 33,094 cases.
To be fair most cases are north of London.
Learning to live with it.
Almost 8 out of 10 are fully vaccinated for their over 12s.
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November 22, 2021 8:19am
Tricati

Took the neighbours down to Memorial Ave to support the ‘Groundswell’ protest yesterday and good to see a very supportive crowd attending. We rang our cowbells with great abandon as each tractor & ute drove past.
The discussions amongst the crowd had a common thread, that being a general concern at the direction the country has heading and the separatist agenda being pushed under the cover of covid.
Had a young uni student next to us trying to support the PM, and I was surprized when our 84-year-old neighbour respectively asked her a couple of questions, and the student said ‘I’m sorry, I just didn’t understand how this was affecting people’. Our neighbour just said, ‘its all right dear, but you do need to read a bit of history and not believe all the nonsense on TV. Very wise counsel I thought.
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November 22, 2021 8:19am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I took part in the Groundswell protest in Whanganui yesterday, and it was a great success. The signs were all on message, and there was a real determination from those present to get the Government to take their concerns seriously.
  
  We got lots of toots and friendly waves as we drove through town. Often, someone in the procession would stop to let traffic on side roads through, and people seemed to really appreciate that. The only negative feedback we got was from tow people living along the river, around 200m apart. The first, a woman in her 60’s rushed out and told us to “F*ck off!”. The second was a slightly younger man who rushed to the curb to give us the fingers and yell “F*cking w*nkers! White supremacists!” I gave him my best have-a-nice-day smile, but it seemed to have little calming effect. Other than that, the conclusion was clear that a lot of people no longer like Jacinda Ardern and her government.
  
  Roll on February 2022 when Groundswell takes its protest to Parliament. Count me in!
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:58am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I see Labour Party activist, Neale Jones, ramping up the anti-farmer rhetoric on Twitter today.
    Jacinda’s mates really, really do not like rural people and agricultural production – at all.
    True colours coming out now. The “We will be a party that governs for every New Zealander” is out the beehive window big time.
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:45am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I see Labour Party activist and former Chief of Staff for Labour leader Jacinda Ardern, Neale Jones, ramping up the anti-farmer rhetoric on Twitter today.
      
      Fixed it for you. I don’t see anything posted by Jones on Twitter; he’s blocked me. Oh dear; how sad; never mind 😀
      
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      November 22, 2021 9:53am
      - Gravelroad
        
        I am not on Twitter but looked at a link posted on here today by Maggie Pie.
        Scrolled down and saw this guy’s nasty, divisive, judgemental comments.
        Be kind – hahaha….
        
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        November 22, 2021 10:07am
    - Ehlana
      
      For all these people who don’t like rural people and agricultural production, I have good news!
      
      Stop consuming the products of agricultural production and in just a few weeks you will find it ceases to be a problem for you. Even better, you’ll find all your problems go away…
      
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      November 22, 2021 12:56pm
    - alloytoo
      
      I suspect what really pisses the left off is that conservatives are engaging in protest action which they see as their sole domain.
      
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      November 22, 2021 1:10pm
  - Lance
    
    Surely you are not saying Stuart Nash was talking out his arse when he labeled all you naughty old red necks as “racists and anti-vaxers”?
    
    /sarc/
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:57am
    - Bob
      
      the only place that he can talk from, that is where his brains are!
      
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      November 22, 2021 12:26pm
  - Inandout
    
    TS, those expletive trapped shouters would likely have been promised an income for life from the 3 Waters sham if they supported it. Either that or your procession disrupted their ‘trade’.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:02am
Yabster

Stuff refused to publish this-

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/three_waters_op_ed?utm_campaign=211119_version23waters&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
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November 22, 2021 8:21am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Stuff love to throw around generic allegations of racism and white supremacy (unsubstantiated), but when one of those accused seeks redress by publishing a response, they run for the hills. The lack of objectivity is concerning, but entirely unexpected.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:01am
  - graham
    
    Mark Twain hit it on the head:
    
    “If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you’re mis-informed.”
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:36am
Taieri

And crap like this from the Herald.
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An exceptional garbage. Poorly written, poorly argued and hard to figure out what point the authors are trying to make. And these people call themselves “educators”…
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November 22, 2021 8:23am
Im Right

But Raphael this is the climate that the left need and have striven for, making white people feel guilty and responsible for things that happened 100-200yrs ago, and that’s when laws and policy suddenly come up (no campaigning on them) like 3 Waters and He Puapua…soften the majority so that they are frightened to say anything against, publically or via social media, and a shit storm erups from loud vocal minority, so they get their way via intimidation and fear.
Look at USA, same thing! Anything critical about BLM or CRT and the person is hounded, same will (is?) happening here.
Wait till the hate speech law is passed, now that will shut everyone up from actually saying what they truly feel in case they get targeted.
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November 22, 2021 8:24am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING 🙁

Sooo disturbing to read that taxpayers are currently forking out over $1 MILLION-PER-DAY to keep ungrateful ‘humans’ like this in emergency accommodation!

Just look at the thanks you get….

https://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1462138566356598784

(Disclosure of Interest: I know the poor ‘victim’ mentioned in this story. Suzie and me are FB besties. A more wonderful gal you would never meet)
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November 22, 2021 8:26am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Phil Twyford, 9 November 2017:
  
  I do not want to be here in six months time telling the House that we’re spending $90,000 on motels.
  
  https://fb.watch/9qp_nqrbWV/
  
  Phil Twyford’s wish came true. Instead of spending $90,000/day on motels, Labour is spending more that $1m/day!
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:43am
  - Bob
    
    and Twyford is irrelevant!
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:27pm
pdm

` “Chinese sounding names”’

Not sure if it was Twyford who said it but whoever did, and it could have been him apparently said:

`chinky sounding names’.
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November 22, 2021 8:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  That could have been moi 😀
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:13am
- Jack5
  
  Twyford was blaming housing demand on Chinese, but he didn’t use that “Ch-” racist word.
  
  That use came on Kiwiblog, at least initially, from a racist poster attacking Twyford, a poster who was obviously a National supporter. (The poster wasn’t Maggie Pie. I remember because I challenged use of the word.)
  
  The American Heritage Dictionary, since at least 1982, has classed the word as offensive.
  
  Here’s an Asian person, presumably American, talking about the “ch” word:
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/fv1afb/chink_is_a_derogatory_word_right/
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:26am
info@cruzpro.com

The Northern Advocate admits that there was a line of cars 6 Km long participating in the Groundswell protest yesterday. They estimated 600 cars.

The line of cars in Auckland would have been huge.

Nice peaceful protest, lots of New Zealand flags, signs, honking horns and hazard lights flashing. The police left everyone alone with no police in sight.

Plenty of people on the side of the road with encouraging words and signs.
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November 22, 2021 8:40am
ABS4EVA

NOVAVAX NEWs

No News of this in NZ?

The Indian government has approved the export of 20M doses of Novavax (NVAX) vaccine made by the company to Indonesia, Reuters reported citing a government document and a source.

It has also greenlighted the delivery of 10M doses of the Covishield vaccine to COVAX, a global initiative backed by the World Health Organization for equitable distribution of vaccines. Covishield is a licensed version of the COVID-19 vaccine developed by AstraZeneca (AZN).

Manufactured under the brand name COVOVAX, Novavax’s (NVAX) protein-based COVID-19 shot has received the emergency use authorization in Indonesia.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3772568-novavax-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccines-cleared-for-exports-in-india-reuters

EFFECTIVENESS
Tests America

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/us-clinical-trial-results-show-novavax-vaccine-safe-prevents-covid-19

The IMPORTANT BIT

The candidate showed 100% protection against moderate and severe disease.

IT is 100% effective so anything 100% effective
we would quite expect them to ignore because
looking around at NZ these people are not …
BIG on EFFECTIVENESS….
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November 22, 2021 8:47am
- satdiver
  
  In that trial it was 90.4% effective in preventing symptoms.
  
  But in a trial like this, there is a lot of room for error. Only 20,000 people were given the vaccination.
  
  In the placebo group (10,000 people), of the people who got COVID, only 22% (14 people) had moderate or severe symptoms. This leaves a lot of room for statistical error.
  
  My opinion is that Novavax will not be significantly more effective than Pfizer (88.8% at preventing symptoms depending on which study you read), nor less side effects than the very low rate with Pfizer.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:24am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Always remember when quoting those efficacy numbers they are using relative risk reduction. Meaningless without including absolute risk reduction. For example, Pfizer arr is 0.8%. Not quite as good for marketing purposes as saying 95%.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:31am
    - satdiver
      
      To quote a Lancet paper (link below): “ARR is also used to derive an estimate of vaccine effectiveness, which is the number needed to vaccinate (NNV) to prevent one more case of COVID-19 as 1/ARR”
      
      This is helpful for Public Health officials, but for an individual it is not a helpful measure. An individual needs to know how much it reduces the chance of symptoms and moderate or severe symptoms.
      
      It would be like calculating the expected payout of Home Insurance in 2010, which would be cents on the dollar so in theory not worth having. But in fact many people benefit from it, such as all of Christchurch in 2011.
      
      https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext
      
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      November 22, 2021 11:21am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        The more people who are vaccinated who aren’t at any risk from covid the better the efficacy looks. It’s distorted data. There is also the risk that:
        
        “Mass vaccination may permanently attenuate population-wide immunity to SARS-2”
        If I posted the link before apologies, but it is interesting reading.
        
        https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/mass-vaccination-may-permanently
        
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        November 22, 2021 2:11pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        You should not quote one without the other. People would have a completely different attitude to the jab if they understood the difference between RRR of 90+% and ARR of 0.8%. There would be a lot more jab “hesitant” if there was genuine informed consent. It would also mean there would be more naturally acquired immunity which is proving to be stronger, better and longer lasting, without having to deal with the risk from a poorly tested and new procedure.
        
        “Relative risks have the appealing feature of summarizing two numbers (the risk in one group and the risk in the other) into one. However, this feature also represents their major weakness, that the underlying absolute risks are concealed and readers tend to overestimate the effect when it is presented in relative terms. In many situations, the absolute risk gives a better representation of the actual situation and also from the patient’s point of view absolute risks often give more relevant information.”
        
        https://academic.oup.com/ndt/article/32/suppl_2/ii13/3056571
        
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        November 22, 2021 2:19pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Re natural immunity, this paper from last week: –
        
        Results and Discussion During the study period (December 16, 2020 to September 30, 2021), 4615 Health Care Workers (‘HCWs’) contributed to a total of 1,152,486 person-days at risk (excluding 309 HCWs with prior infection) and had a COVID-19 incidence rate of 5.2/10,000 (114 infections out of 219,842 person-days) for unvaccinated person-days and 0.6/10,000 (49 infections out of 830,084 person-days) for fully vaccinated person-days, resulting in an adjusted VE of 82.3% (95% CI: 75.1–87.4%). For the secondary analysis limited to the period of delta variant predominance in Massachusetts (i.e., July 1 to September 30, 2021), we observed an adjusted VE of 76.5% (95% CI: 40.9–90.6%). Independently, we found no re-infection among those with prior COVID-19, contributing to 74,557 re-infection-free person-days, adding to the evidence base for the robustness of naturally acquired immunity.
        
        If you want to be healthy, and you are in a low risk category then supporting your natural immune system to deal with a Covid-19 infection looks to be a far, far better proposition than does being jabbed every 6 months.
        
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        November 22, 2021 4:08pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        oh, and remember the above is in a healthcare setting where nosocomial infections of all types are are commonplace.
        
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        November 22, 2021 4:10pm
  - ABS4EVA
    
    Yes or No
    It is not made by chopping up little kids
    and it is technology with a 25 year track record
    of SAFETY so my BET is on it.
    
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    November 22, 2021 1:01pm
- Ehlana
  
  What is this e f f e c t i v e n e s s concept you speak of ABS?
  
  Please explain in short words and simple sentences, preferably in crayon.
  
  I’m asking on behalf of our government…
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:35am
Maggie Pie

First to admit that even Tennis can have it’s ‘rough’ moments. Like when a line-call goes against you, but you know bloody well it was in.

Nevertheless, soo glad I picked up a tennis racquet when I was a kid.
It takes a special type of gal to play Rugby…blonde or otherwise. (Vid)

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1462452261297164303
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November 22, 2021 8:52am
- Frank the tank
  
  Female tennis Players are significantly better athletes the majority of female rugby players.
  
  I once saw a documentary of Caroline Wozniacki and how with no training she ran a half marathon in about 1hr 30 mins.
  
  Rory definitely was climbing above his rung when he went out with that one!!!
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:48am
Littletramp

How are the Greens Party reconciling their support for the covid vaccines to inject into themselves, when they are so vigorously against genetically modified seeds/foods?
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November 22, 2021 8:53am
- Ruahine
  
  Probably went online and checked their bank balances. Yep. Money from the tax payer has gone into the Account.
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:43am
- H. Upmann
  
  Hypocrites!
  Who would have guessed, how sad?
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:34am
dime

As much as I like the All Blacks.. part of me does enjoy the fall out of when we lose.

The problem the AB’s have is they arent just losing.. they are getting beat up.

Its been happening at leats once a season since 2018. This time it happened 4 times.. we just happened to win one of them.

Remember when the wallabies beat us up in perth? it was masked by a red card so that was the excuse. the reality was, they were kicking our asses before the red card.

We have a big forward pack. they just need to man up.

Savea at 8 doesnt work. too small. im not sure why hes become the must start forward. good player. great off the bench.

Super rugby richie isnt world class. I know people from christchurch want him to be and inisist that he is.. but that dude doesnt step up in the big games.

Pretty sure my 45 year old ass could look OK at 10 behind the crusdaers pack 😀

Personally, I just cant get past Fosters track record. Was it 10 year at the Chiefs without a championship? followed by Dave Rennie who wins twice in a row.

How they overlooked razor is beyond me. Old boys club and arrogance.

They should be talking to Razor and Jamie Joseph. Grab one of them for the love of god.

Also, maybe its time we didnt “lead the way”. Super rugby style isnt cutting it. Maybe we learn a bit from the NH boys? start with that and then add the AB skills on top.

I saw one of the rugby union shills write today that its all OK. its just like 2007 when henry had a bad losee but bounced back.

The difference – Henry had won 3 super rugby titles (2003 was him), he had a track record and the AB’s had been all conquering the two season prior when he was coach.

Foster is shit.

And hes fat. Way too fat. Hansen could pull it off, a big guy. But Foster is fat.
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November 22, 2021 9:06am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I went to my first All Blacks test in 1971 against the Lions in Wellington. We arrived in the city at 6am, had breakfast at the station cafe, and were in the queue half a mile from the gates by 7am. I’ve seen the All Blacks play tests in Johnnesburg and Chicago. I’m a long-time fan.
  
  Yesterday, I turned the TV off at 9.30am, and didn’t even suggest to my wife that we give church a miss and stay home to watch the rugby. I haven’t watched the rest of the match, or will I. I don’t even care.
  
  If previously committed fans like me no longer care about All Black results, NZR has a significant problem. I hope they have the wherewithal to address the many, smelly elephants in the room, and quickly.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:01am
  - bruceavon
    
    I am I like you. Went to rugby with my dad who brought seats at eden park from age 6, in the 60’s. Followed rugby for years since. My mates and I started losing interest about 6 years ago with super rugby and the championship. We used to get together to watch almost everything. It’s in bad shape. Too much rugby. Too many games I don’t care about. In defence of the all black this tour has been going on forever. RU are too greedy.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:29am
    - Paulus
      
      Been here over 50 years – never been to see the ABs or any professional Rugby match – and am not starting now.
      
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      November 22, 2021 2:01pm
  - dime
    
    Yeah I didnt see the end of it either.
    
    Its like the Warriors – I stopped watching due to lack of heart and commitment. i dont expect the All Balcks to win every game but fucked if im gonna watch them be soft and get “out passioned” etc
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:31am
  - Littletramp
    
    Tony, Are you talking about the ridiculous haircuts, the number of players with assault convictions being dismissed by the courts then still being selected for the National team, the virtue signalling by Perenara, SBW & co who want to tell us how to run our lives, the after match interviews with a captain who has a grey beard, the poor choices of coaching staff by NZRU, the pedantic refereeing, the insistence in having more & more women tell us how the nuances of a men’s rugby match should be analysed & how to interpret the physical contact incidents, the mystery of video refs bewildering decisions, the political posturing put on the sport by media, sponsors and politicians (Black Lives Matter) that have overtaken the whole spectacle or is it something else that is causing you to lose interest?
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:31am
    - lifesgood
      
      And the ghastly tattoos!
      
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      November 22, 2021 2:40pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The haka, you could have mentioned the haka, the traditional conch shell blow and the culturally misappropirated tenor didgeridoo.
      
      Cringeworthy, just embarrassing . . .
      
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      November 22, 2021 3:27pm
  - surfing
    
    Starts at grassroots.
    
    About half the parents in my kids rugby kid love the coach, the other half hate him.
    
    He puts his own (average) kid on for full games, best positions and so on. The other coaches kids get the same. But, your kid gets bullied by the coaches kid, suddenly your kid is off half a game every game (and other kids).
    
    This is endemic at my childs rugby club… the coaches kid’s get to rule the teams…. a friend’s child in another team at the same club was told by the coaches kid that he was getting to play halfback in the weekend…friends kid was excited, but it was a big joke.
    
    They fix kids to positions at 9 or 10 years old, this is ridiculous and I see why they have massive fall off in the sport.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:36am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Tony, I’ve been giving church a miss for 60 years and I still feel the way you do about our current All Blacks team.
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:38am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    You’re not elephant shaming, are you Tony?
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:44am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Started a few years later than you Tony, but similar background. Grew up listening to Dad talk about All Black-Springbok games (he’d actually seen the 1937 test as a young cop on crowd duty).
    
    Played it, watched it (huge thrill when we finally saw it on colour TV in the 1977 Lions tour.
    
    Same through to the 1987 World Cup, but lost track due to my US sojourn. Was very keen to watch when I returned at the Millenium to see what going professional had done to the game. At first it all looked good with attractive, running rugby and lots of it.
    
    And then…
    
    My first inkling was in 2001 when the Boks played the AB’s in Dunedin. We all knew the Boks backline was poor that season and a night game of bitterly cold winds and some rain promised to make it worse. With twenty minutes to go and the AB’s leading by just nine points I switched off the TV and went to bed.
    
    If you had told me just a few years earlier that I’d do that to such a game I’d have laughed at your joke.
    
    Hung on until 2003, often skipping games, and then dumped SKY after the WC. As a result I just didn’t get to see games. Missed the 2011 WC but did pay attention to the 2015 WC semi and final – and still cheered, but since then it has been almost nothing, going to the pub for the occasional “big” game as when the Highlanders and then the Hurricanes won the final for the first time and I was backing both. Certainly nothing since then.
    
    Needless to say my kids, already not sporty types, have zero interest in the game.
    
    The future does not look good for NZ Rugby, although I suppose cricket provides a good example of what might be possible in the face of a smaller playing population and huge foreign money.
    
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    November 22, 2021 5:19pm
- Cinematic
  
  Agree with these points.
  
  Savea has a huge heart but is a tiny international 8. Mounga has been found out again.
  
  Foster has no excuse for not being in shape. He’s literally surrounded but nutritionists and trainers. I’d swap Foster and Plumtree for Joseph and Brown in a heartbeat.
  
  Seems to me too much feel good stuff has crept into the AB’s. Need more of Coles no nonsense attitude.
  
  Having said that I thought we were going to roll over them until the intercept. Some young guys have made big gains in experience on this tour.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:35am
  - I remember when
    
    For a number of seasons now, I have been thinking I would be happier about the All Black head coaches if they were in better physical shape.
    I think Plumtree should stay as defensive coach, as it is an area of their game that does seem to be improving.
    The timing of the yellow card was unfortunate and I feel the dominance of Northern refs affects us, as they seem too have a different attitude when we offend.
    Northern teams have a better understanding of how their referees will interpret any situation. They don’t have to consider as many factors at any breakdown.
    Also the covid influence, on the tour and training for it, made results harder to assess.
    The French showed us how a pass the ball for the support player to hit at speed, not being too flat on the ball carrier.
    
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    November 22, 2021 1:49pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Whenever they lose two games in a row, you will read in the paper the next day that the coach is an idiot and must be sacked. That’s a given. When we win it’s because the players played well but when we lose it is never because the players played badly. Sports Journalism 101.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:40am
  - dime
    
    I hear you but I have been very consistant since this idiot was appointed.
    
    He doesnt hae a record anywhere – as a head coach.
    
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    November 22, 2021 2:21pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  I agree that Foster is not up to it. When you consider we play wings at fullback, fullbacks in the centre, wings in the centre, five eights as full backs etc etc and we do not even have an A team. Foster cant figure out who to play on the side of the scrum.
  
  Mounga is brilliant but only when he has room and teams have quickly worked out how to crowd him.
  
  Overall though we have to concede other teams are getting smarter, bigger, faster at a greater rate than we are. The Irish and French were great and the English would take us down too.
  
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  November 22, 2021 11:22am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Overheard that RAZOR guy on ZB sports news earlier. He sounds sooo gruff!
  Although sort of what you expect in a rugby coach 😀
  
  That other loser they’ve got talks like someone’s grandad.
  
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  November 22, 2021 11:46am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Sorry dime, but even if your 45 year old arse is pretty fit, you would be killed in the first 10 mins of a Super game. You’d be broken in two like a bit of balsa.
  The way I see it is that we have no defence. That’s the beginning and end of it. Under Graham|Hansen|Smith our defence worked. We currently give up way too many points virtually every game. Come WC time, it will be really tough to pick up 25 points against the top teams, let alone 30+, so you can’t go giving away 20 per game, you are likely to lose. A lot.
  
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  November 22, 2021 11:47am
  - dime
    
    “Sorry dime, but even if your 45 year old arse is pretty fit, you would be killed in the first 10 mins of a Super game”
    
    Yeah pretty sure my heart would explode after 2 minutes 😀
    
    Would love to do a hit up in the NRL. just do see how bad i get fucked up haha
    
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    November 22, 2021 2:26pm
satdiver

Yesterdays first comment claimed that “The upward trend in excess all-cause deaths for the vaxxed cost coincided with the availability of second shots.”

The comment author, and the linked blog post, grossly misunderstood the data.

It was for Death Rate NOT Excess Deaths, the trend was ONLY for the 10-59 age group and it was for England not the UK.

Here is some of the actual data, the formatting will be messed up but I will try my best. Note that percentage of population means the percentage of the age group’s population, not England’s population.

For the week of 2 April (around the middle of the dataset):

Unvaccinated:

Age Group, Percentage of Population, Death Rate
10-59, 60.2%, 1.6
60-69, 7.2%, 62.0
70-79, 7.1%, 81.4
80 , 4%, 412.8

Double Vaccinated

Age Group, Percentage of Population, Death Rate
10-59, 4.6%, 1.1
60-69, 6.1%, 9.7
70-79, 16.4%, 18.8
80 , 60.3%, 67.9

For the week of 24 September (the latest week in the dataset)

Unvaccinated:

Age Group, Percentage of Population, Death Rate
10-59, 26.6%, 0.9
60-69, 5.1%, 24
70-79, 3%, 59.6
80 , 2.7%, 214.4

Double Vaccinated
Age Group, Percentage of Population, Death Rate
10-59, 66.4%, 2.2
60-69, 93.8%, 12.8
70-79, 96.3%, 37.2
80 , 96.3%, 157.4

(Note, confidence intervals are in the original data set, link below)

It is easy to see that the vaccinated have a ~much~ lower death rate in the greater than 59 year old age brackets.

But, it is true that the 10-59 year old age bracket is lower in the unvaccinated than the vaccinated. How can this be so?

The fine print at the bottom of the spreadsheet notes:

“For the 10-59 age group, the vaccinated population will on average be older than the unvaccinated population due to age-based prioritization in the vaccine roll-out. As mortality rates are higher for older people, this will increase the mortality rates for the vaccinated population compared to the unvaccinated population.”

In other words, the unvaccinated 10-59 group includes children not eligible for any vaccination.

The double vaccination group excludes children with one dose. In fact, only about 5 days ago did the NHS allow 16 and 17 year old to get a second dose.

Over time, children and teenagers (who have a low death rate, low chance of heart attacks, much lower cancer risk etc.) have moved from the unvaccinated group into the 1st dose group.

Looking at the data above, on 2 April the 10-59 unvaccinated group made up 60.2% of the age group’s population, on 24 September it has decreased to just 26.6%. Each day people are out of the unvaccinated group.

Using this data to say that the vaccine is increasing the death rate for the 10-59 year old group, is a bit silly. The unvaccinated group includes all children ages 10-12, some 12-18 year olds and any fit 20-something year olds who can’t be bothered, while the double vaccinated group includes ~almost nobody~ under the age of 18.

The double vaccinated group (in the dates above) would only include under 18 year olds who had a medical condition that required them to get a double vaccination.

TLDR; Over time this unvaccinated group has been getting younger and younger, as older people get their first jab. Young people have a much lower death rate include from heart problems, cancer etc.

It is simple and quick to misunderstand scientific data, then post a comment on Kiwiblog, takes just a couple of minutes. It takes a lot more time and energy to refute the false statement.

References:

Raw Data: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

BBC on 16 & 17 year old now being vaccinated (published 4 days ago):

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57888429
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November 22, 2021 9:07am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The ONS got heavily criticised because their data wasn’t following the narrative.. It has been rearranged accordingly. Here’s the analysis. Take it apart.
  
  https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-vaccine-surveillance-week-46?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:42am
  - satdiver
    
    It is easy to criticize the ONS. They are relying on messy data collected by a number of other government services and presenting the data.
    
    According to the linked article, the criticism was that they removed a chart, not the data.
    
    For some people it is a conspiracy, but its also way the OHS would much rather just release raw data rather than deciding which of the 100s of possible charts they should or should not produce.
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:14am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Everything about how the statistics around covid have been gathered and presented is flawed which makes much analysis at best extremely difficult.
      The whole concept of death by any cause within 28 days of a positive test is ludicrous. Especially when the same criteria isn’t applied to a death within 28 days of getting a jab. Apparently they are just coincidental.
      We’ll need another couple of years of real world data before we get a truly clear picture about what is happening. But there is no doubt that the jabs haven’t stopped anything. Same with lockdowns, social distancing and relentlessly scrubbing everything. We are priming the population for disaster. Immune systems are weakened due to lack of use. We are accumulating dry tinder at a rate of knots, just so Ardern can maintain her illusory position of having managed covid well.
      She hasn’t, the fallout is going to be immense, and as usual she will throw someone else under the bus along with those who chose not to be part of the biggest medical experiment in history. The untermensch.
      
      “None of our policies are really about Corona anymore, and they have long since ceased to address most of what Corona is actually doing. It is like we are trying to drive a car, while looking only at the speedometer. If we threw all of the statistics in the trash, a great many people would be compelled to think about SARS-2 in much more productive ways.”
      
      https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/we-should-think-less-about-viruses
      
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      November 22, 2021 12:03pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “however, we found numerous discrepancies and inconsistencies which indicate that the ONS reports on vaccine effectiveness grossly underestimate the number of unvaccinated people.”
      
      If this is the case then the numbers presented are not representing the outcomes in the unjabbed accurately.
      
      https://twitter.com/profnfenton/status/1451159776189194243?s=20
      
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      November 22, 2021 2:33pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  What are those “death rates”? Hard to make any sense without knowing exactly how they are calculated.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:48am
  - satdiver
    
    The death rate is deaths/100,000 people.
    
    “Weekly age-specific mortality rates by vaccination status for all deaths, per 100,000 people, England, deaths occurring between 2 January 2021 and 24 September 2021″
    
    Some people won’t be counted, but that is normal.
    
    ‘Figures are based on provisional mortality data and the Public Health Data Asset (PHDA), a linked dataset of people resident in England who could be linked to the 2011 Census and GP Patient Register. Therefore, the number of deaths and related population differ from other ONS mortality publication. For more information on the coverage of the PHDA”
    
    Confidence intervals are provided.
    
    “The lower and upper 95% confidence limits have been provided. These form a confidence interval, which is a measure of the statistical precision of an estimate and shows the range of uncertainty around the estimated figure. As a general rule, if the confidence interval around one figure overlaps with the interval around another, we cannot say with certainty that there is more than a chance difference between the two figures. “
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:05am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      So these are all deaths for nine months averaged by number of weeks and per 100,000 of the selected population sector?
      
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      November 22, 2021 12:12pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Have a read of this blogger. They have a very sound grasp of all of this and explain it well.
    
    “Once more on pandemic data as infohazard”
    
    This is the summary.
    
    “We have to live with Corona, it will always be with us. Biannual boosters for the entire population will not solve anything. They will only reduce the effectiveness of vaccines by encouraging antigenic drift. The vaccines are, at best, a solution for the elderly and the vulnerable only. Everyone will get Corona, even the vaccinated, and children need to get it while they are still young and while it poses no risk to them. In this way, SARS-2 will become an unimportant virus in the coming years.”
    
    https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/we-should-think-less-about-viruses
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:51am
- Fletch
  
  Check out this new representation of the data via a dashboard. You can choose from Deaths, Cases, Hospitalizations from the right, and also choose the age range.
  
  https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/t.coddington/viz/shared/DZ6Y6FTH6
  
  Looking at the latest weeks in particular, you can see that there is not much difference in deaths between vaccinated and unvaccinated (mouse over the bars on the graph to see the numbers).
  
  Changing the metric to cases, you can see that there are 10 times the number of cases among the vaccinated within, say, the 50-59 age group. That could be because much of the population are vaccinated but it still goes to show that it’s not a “pandemic of the unvaccinated”.
  
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  November 22, 2021 12:24pm
Fletch

Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò is calling for the creation of an Anti-Globalist Alliance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDwHpMbdho0

I never believed in conspiracy theories when it came to Covid etc, but I have to say now I am not so sure that it’s not more about power than it is about health.
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November 22, 2021 9:15am
Fletch

At the prime age of 33, Argentine soccer star Sergio Aguero is set to retire permanently because of a heart condition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHLkz7W_E6I

The 23 second video shows him collapsing on the pitch last month.
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November 22, 2021 9:24am
- ClanMcleod
  
  He’s only one of many young sports people having similar problems over the last year. No idea what it could be.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:44am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Covid “vaccination”?
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:11am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I had my tongue permanently stitched to the inside of my cheek. 😉
      
      Here’s a great satirical blog post on this new phenomenon striking the planet.
      
      “wow, people sure do seem to be looking for lots and lots of new reasons to explain heart attacks in mancubs!
      
      i wonder why that is…?”
      
      https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-the-heart-of-the-matter/comments
      
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      November 22, 2021 12:10pm
BananaLlama

I think when the right take government they should set up a slush fund for a branch of Fox News to open in New Zealand and put all of Labours media funding to the sword.
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November 22, 2021 9:29am
- Fletch
  
  Or SKY News like they have in Australia.
  
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  November 22, 2021 12:30pm
- Nickc2
  
  I had a word with Rupert Murdoch some time ago about this and he told me to get real. He said the only difference between Zimbabwe and NZ was the number of sheep. /sarc
  
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  November 22, 2021 12:38pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  So, you already have easy access to Fox, Sky News, BBC, Al Jazeera, RT, and CNBC via Sky TV, but you think someone else should pay your subscription? What else should the taxpayers subsidize for you?
  
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  November 22, 2021 1:02pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    I don’t care what you think.
    
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    November 22, 2021 7:19pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I was asking what you think.
      
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      November 22, 2021 7:55pm
Truman lodge

I’m convinced if John Key was PM during the covid era, the greens would be against mandates and vaccine certificates. Your taking our freedoms away the greens would bellow..
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November 22, 2021 9:32am
- kowtow
  
  As many have said before ;
  
  The left don’t love the poor , they hate the ‘rich’ .
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:20am
- BeaB
  
  It is the one blessing of having a Labour government with a Labour princess leading it.
  The voice of the Left is blissfully silent – no protests, no burning effigies, nothing about lizard people, no flying dildoes, no screams of misogyny and racism, no worries about poverty or homelessness or erosion of democracy and human rights.
  Just a blessed silence across the land as the Left suck it up.
  When it’s one of their own they’ll submit to anything.
  And let us never forget the Left are the best at totalitarian regimes and can be relied upon to march meekly to the gulag.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:49am
Flossie

I’ve dutifully downloaded my Vax passport (because I have a flight booked) and wondering where will we scan the QR code? Airlines/airports may have some kind of scanning apparatus but I do wonder about the little cafe we often visit.
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November 22, 2021 9:35am
- Fletch
  
  As I understand it, business owners will be given access to apps to scan these in…
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:19am
- westernScientest
  
  There isnt one. The contract to build the software only got awarded a week or two ago. Apparently they are going to check the name on the pass with a photo ID until the authentication app is built.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:27am
  - Nickc2
    
    All this and the Traffic Light system’s not even legal yet!
    How people could ever consider voting for this mob and its leader again beats me.
    These effin Polls have gotta be rigged eh?
    
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    November 22, 2021 11:43am
- ex-golfer
  
  Apparently a seperate QR scanner option is being built for businesses to use……..although with this Govts track record of achieving anything they set out to do I doubt anything will be ready in time.
  I don’t know why they didn’t build it all into the current COVID app – but that was probably too much common sense for the MoH boffins.
  
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  November 22, 2021 11:36am
  - Ra Henare
    
    I can assure it would NOT have been the app developers.(Boffins)
    It would have been a management committee.
    
    The boffins would have said. While we are here(interfacing to the database) why dont we put in a check function.
    
    Management would have come up with alsorts of BS why not.
    
    Talk to any reputable developer, they will tell you that the biggest problem is users/management changing their minds of what they want.
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:14pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Try working in the Aust Defence Industry, they make an art form out of it and that’s without raising a Contract Change Proposal (with is out of the question for them)! They had the Dollars, the Contractor had the Responsibility and what’s written in the contract is null and void unless it’s raised by the Commonwealth of Aust.
      
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      November 22, 2021 12:33pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else notice that their ‘Face Mask’ has started to develop a funny odour?

Asking for a friend.
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November 22, 2021 9:38am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  How have you been wearing it, Maggie?
  
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  November 22, 2021 9:41am
  - sooty
    
    Or is it the same one you started with!
    
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    November 22, 2021 10:12am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the blue throwaways get a musty smell if worn more than a half dozen times. God knows what bacteria thrive in the paper material but if you feel faint just exit the shop.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:10am
- bronny1
  
  yeah my disposible one started to stink after about 3 months (one use per week for a few minutes).
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:11am
- kowtow
  
  There’s probably a market among certain ‘gentlemen” in Japan for that sort of item.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:22am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Wait until the weather really warms up…
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Found one of the paper/plastic ones in my washing pile as I was hanging out stuff on the line….seemed to wash up well… probably just as ineffective as it ever was, but will save me filching another one this month.
  
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  November 22, 2021 12:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Well I got mine from the US last year. Wasn’t cheap either.
  Black satin with a silk lining. Concerned if I put it in the washing machine, the embossed BALENCIAGA logo could fray.
  
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  November 22, 2021 12:47pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Perhaps you should buy the genuine brands rather than the cheap knock-offs.
    
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    November 22, 2021 1:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If you’re in the market for some knock-offs we could do some business amongst your tennis gals.
    https://www.luxevault.co.in/balenciaga-mask-2424
    
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    November 22, 2021 1:51pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      LOL!!
      
      We had a girl turn up once from Blockhouse Bay to play Interclub wearing fake Nikes.
      
      Gave her soo much sh*t she never came back again.
      
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      November 22, 2021 2:28pm
Opie

Any thoughts on this trend?
Covid hospitalizations nz

Fully vacc = more than 14 days after 2nd shot
The missing numbers are the various states of vaccinated eg 1 dose or 2 doses but less than 14 days.

What this doesnt tell us is the reason for hospitalization – eg if all the unvaccinated are in solely because of covid it would indicate the vaccine is a good idea but conversely if it’s the vaccinated that are in solely for covid it proves vaccine inefficiency.

The other important information missing is date of becoming fully vaccinated, so we could see if this is waning efficiency.

Good luck getting this sort of clear data though!

9/11 total 79, unvaccinated 40, fully vaccinated 4

11/11 total 84, unvaccinated 46, fully vaccinated 8

13/11 total 93, unvaccinated 50, fully vaccinated 8

17/11 total 88, unvaccinated 47, fully vaccinated 12

19/11 total 76, unvaccinated 47, fully vaccinated 12

21/11 total 83, unvaccinated 38, fully vaccinated 16

What I see is unvaccinated % of hospitalizations fairly stable at around 50% but currently fallen to 45%.

Fully vaccinated % of hospitalizations has risen from 5% to 19% in 12 days.

I would also like to see “case” numbers vacc vs unvacc but they arent releasing that currently.
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November 22, 2021 9:52am
- krazykiwi
  
  I suggest the common elements for both vaxxed and unvaxxed will be: –
  – age (mostly 75+),
  – weight (mostly BMI 35+),
  – other comorbidities (~95%).
  
  yes, there will be outliers.
  
  Sample sizes and date range quite small, so large margin of error to contend with.
  
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  November 22, 2021 1:30pm
surfing

What happens when maori co-govern….three waters warning….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300456239/lake-waikaremoana-and-its-great-walk-have-been-closed-for-months-as-thoe-say-the-relationship-with-the-crown-has-failed
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November 22, 2021 10:11am
Maggie Pie

Just heard Don Brash on ZB pitching to raise funds for Hobson’s Pledge.

Last we heard, he was Trustee for The Mongrel Mob.

Wouldn’t that be…. ‘a conflict-of-interest’?
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November 22, 2021 10:29am
- Jack5
  
  And I thought he was The Don for his academic and high finance expertise.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:51am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    He’s an academic? But he seems quite highly thought of on Kiwiblog.
    
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    November 22, 2021 1:05pm
Libertarians are right

I closely followed Andrew Branca’s coverage of the Rittenhouse trial (he’s a US lawyer that specialises in self defense cases) so given David’s post on the weekend, here’s a few long notes:

Rittenhouse lived 20 miles away with his mother but worked as a lifeguard in Kenosha where his father and the father’s extended (Latino) family lived and his father owned a small business.

He went to Kenosha to clean graffiti etc during the day and then help guard a car lot, owned by Indian brothers during the evening in a poor multi-cultural commercial area.

He was legally armed with an open carried AR-15 semi-automatic rifle which he had picked up from a friend in Kenosha. He was not legally allowed to carry a handgun as he was under 18 at the time and also was obviously not permitted to concealed carry.

Earlier in the evening when he had ventured out he had left the rifle with a friend but on this occasion, the friend wasn’t around so he grabbed his fire extinguisher and kept the rifle strapped to him (as it would have been criminally negligent of him to simply put the rifle down).

Rosenbaum had, earlier in the evening threatened to kill Rittenhouse and others if he could find them alone. This was not on video but was testified to by multiple witnesses, including the State’s witnesses. There was also video of Rosenbaum yelling “N****” and “shoot me” etc during that evening.

He was running to the fire while also asking if anyone needed first aid (which as a life guard he was certified to provide).

That is where Ziminski fired his handgun causing Rittenhouse to turn and see Rosenbaum’s chasing him (Rosenbaum had seen him coming and had ducked behind parked cars so he could come up behind Rittenhouse). The Prosecutor’s argument that the turning was provocation relied solely on a completely unverifiable account of a blurry, blown up still from a video that they say show him pointing his rifle at Ziminski (and ignores the obvious premeditated ambush tactic Rosenbaum had used). There were no other arguments provided suggesting provocation or intent. It’s worth noting that this angle would have required Rittenhouse to switch to holding the rifle left handed mid run, including switching the strap which the prosecution repeatedly pointed out would be hard to do. It was also at this point the Rittenhouse placed his fire extinguisher on the ground.

While being chased by Rosenbaum, Rittenhouse repeatedly yelled “Friendly, friendly friendly” and also turned, showing his rifle to Rosenbaum (pointing to the ground, finger off the trigger). Rosenbaum threw a plastic bag with unknown contents (most likely clothes and deodorant) at Rittenhouse.

Rosenbaum cornered Rittenhouse and lunged for the rifle, getting his hand to it (as proven by the State’s own forensic evidence) and whilst in that lunging position was shot four times in a space of 0.76 seconds including through the back due to his horizontal position.

Rittenhouse ran but doubled back and McGinnis was checking Rosenbaum. Rittenhouse rang his friend telling him he shot someone. Grosskreutz asked him what he did and a crowd starts chasing him.

Rittenhouse clearly tries to run towards the Police line but is hit in the head by Huber’s skate board and he staggers and trips.

Jump Kick Man (JKM) runs through and kicks him in the head and Rittenhouse fired two bullets (missing) at JKM, believing JKM was trying to kill him. JKM runs off.

Huber hits Rittenhouse again in the head with his skateboard and tries to take the gun off him. Rittenhouse shoots him once.

A few other people (I believe 3, including Grosskreutz) approach Rittenhouse but back off when he brandishes his rifle at them (without shooting as they backed off).

Grosskreutz then advances forward again aiming his own (illegally held and illegally concealed) handgun at Rittenhouse’s head at which point Rittenhouse shoots him in the bicep.

Rittenhouse runs off towards the Police but they pepper spray him and tell him to go away.

Rittenhouse goes home and turns himself in.

Those are the relevant self defense evidence from the night and it was all verifiable through video evidence.

It should never have gone to trial.
The Prosecution’s misconduct will require a whole post that I will do later.
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November 22, 2021 10:34am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Now for the Left wing narrative:
  
  Rittenhouse should never have been there/was protesting against Black lives mattering:
  This is still legal but all evidence shows he was there to protect property from rioters, arsonists & looters, not protesters affirming the rights of Black people.
  
  Rittenhouse “punched a woman” a few months prior:
  That woman had attacked his sister unprovoked and he legally defended her. Not relevant to the case.
  
  He was on tape a few weeks prior watching some “hoods” seemingly stealing and said that he wished he had his AR-15 so he could fire a few rounds towards them:
  This was their only “intent” evidence but was disallowed because it wasn’t directly related to the case and instead of doing anything violent regarding those “hoods”, he just rang 911. This evidence was illegally included by the Prosecutors.
  
  Having his photo taken with some “Proud Boys” whilst wearing a “Free as F***” t-shirt and doing an OK hand signal four months after:
  This was simply not relevant to his state of mind four months prior. Obviously a huge amount had happened to him in those intervening months (including spending 2 months in jail for a crime he didn’t commit).
  
  He crossed state line with a weapon:
  This simply isn’t true and he actually travelled a smaller distance than many of the protesters.
  
  The judge didn’t allow the decedents to be called “victims”:
  In a usual murder case, the fact the decedents were murdered isn’t in question, just the whodunnit so calling them “victims” isn’t prejudicial. In this case, the jury’s job is to determine whether they were “victims” or the aggressors so calling them victims is prejudicial and given that he’s innocent until proven guilty, it was disallowed.
  
  And that is it.
  
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  November 22, 2021 1:11pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Prosecutorial Misconduct:
  
  This is the interesting one:
  
  One of the witnesses stating on the stand that the Prosecutors tried to get them to amend their statement.
  
  Despite having a warrant, the Prosecutors got the lead detective to not serve it to get Grosskeutz’s phone.
  
  The Prosecutors supposedly knew who JKM was and didn’t advise the defense.
  
  The Prosecutors altered video evidence which they passed on to the defense (massively decreasing the clarity). This is serious obviously.
  
  During closing, the Prosecutors intentionally misstated the law saying that if you’re armed and the other person isn’t you have no right to self defense and that you have a duty to use “non-lethal” defenses first.
  
  The Prosecutor directly attacked Rittenhouse’s silence as evidence he was hiding something which violates his 5th amendment rights (this is a really big one).
  
  They then argued that if the defense wanted to prove Rittenhouse didn’t point his rifle at Ziminski, they should have called him as a witness, knowing that they tried but because Ziminski had an active case against him for firing his handgun, he plead the 5th and only the Prosecution had the power to give him a deal to testify.
  
  In addition to that, the Prosecutors delayed multiple related minor court cases (including Ziminski’s) so they could control witnesses and in Ziminski’s case give him the 5th amendment defense.
  
  The Prosecutors cited evidence (the discussion about firing the AR-15 towards stealing youths) despite it being specifically disallowed. (also really serious)
  
  The are multiple other infractions as well but these were most of the big ones.
  
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  November 22, 2021 1:38pm
ecco

Getting sick of Ardern constantly dripfeeding hints/using ‘experts’ to do her messaging without giving any certainty of dates. Absolutely no use at all for the poor Aucklanders and Auckland hospo.

It’s just highly aggravating and another example of her wielding her control and power over NZ where it’s not wanted. The woman is on a total power trip and is totally oblivious to how she comes across. Thinks she can do wrong. The Ferald and Stuffed are complicit in all of this.
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November 22, 2021 10:36am
Reid

Fact of the day.

As of August 2021, the USD money supply in the market was about $20.7 trillion.

In January 2020, it was about $15.4 trillion.

25% of all USD in existence has been created in the last two years.

This is why the smart money is moving out of stocks and bonds and buying physical assets: e.g. Blackrock is buying residential real estate.

Hyperinflation wipes out the savings and pensions of the middle class.

We’re in it now. I’d suggest you act accordingly.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/money-supply-m1
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November 22, 2021 10:42am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m 80% cash, and looking for signals to jump on the VIX – perhaps even the 2x leveraged ETF. When that thing pops … oh my!
  
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  November 22, 2021 1:25pm
cmm

As I predicted, the pulse oximeters that Angry Andy promised have turned into another cluster…

If they couldn’t even order the right needles, then what’s the chance of them ordering enough of the right pulse oximeters?

But this is worse than I expected: 4 different soundbites, none of them agreeing.

There is a clear message here: do not depend on the government. Sort yourself out as much as reasonably possible. Buy your own pulse oximeter!

The cmm household has two, and a third has been ordered….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-confusion-from-government-over-taking-pulse/KIJ2R6LF2NLR5XYS2XWUMNIPS4/
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November 22, 2021 11:00am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  UK media say oximeter readings are affected by skin colour. Heading into our summer that could cause issues for anyone as well as naturally brown or black skins.
  
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  November 22, 2021 11:18am
  - cmm
    
    It depends… Good pulse oximeters should be able to handle a range of skin tones.
    
    There are a few other issues which impact on their performance including:
    * temperature. If you’re cold then blood flow to extremities is reduced.
    * heart conditions such as atrial fibrillation can cause them to read pulse wrongly (eg. when my Afib was causing about 120 bpm most pulse oximeters were saying around 48 bpm – even the flash $5000 units they use in hospitals).
    
    Due to my personal experience with poor pulse oximeter designs, I’ve built up a bit of an interest in how they are designed and how they could be improved.
    
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    November 22, 2021 12:04pm
Scooter

I see on Jacinda’s Facebook page some very serious grey hairs showing through, maybe time to let the hairdressers open and restaurants as she needs a feed too.
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November 22, 2021 11:03am
- cas
  
  Surely she wouldn’t allow any artificial colouring to go onto her scalp and hair. Things should be natural you know. No adding to pollution by dyes.
  
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  November 22, 2021 2:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yup. Everything on FB is the truth, unless the fact checkers are told to distort the truth, or ban the truth, or just delete the comment.
    Happens all over the World, deleting with no comeback
    
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    November 22, 2021 6:19pm
Truman lodge

The clubs can play an important role in getting Aoteroa vaccinated.

Both mongrel mob club and black power club can pay an important role in vaccinating our club members and whanau. The clubs are passionate about our health and wellbeing.
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November 22, 2021 11:11am
Reid

Interesting coupla vids comparing Pfizer’s new covid pill with ivermectin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xROICA8Hr7I

https://youtu.be/ufy2AweXRkc

The general conclusion is that this pfizer pill has only one attack vector for managing viral replication, whereas ivermectin has 6-7.

This means its far easier for the virus to escape the pfizer pill but virtually impossible for it to evolve in 6-7 different ways simultaneously to escape ivermectin.

People with memories will recall this is exactly what happened with the new AIDS drugs when they first came out. And it did escape. People will also recall that in the early days of aids, sufferers were also denied off-label treatments for their symptoms. Despite those being available and despite those being advocated for by various doctors who were shut down in the same way doctors who advocate for things like HCQ and IVM for covid, are also being shut down.

People with memories will also recall that the very same person in charge of the AIDS responses in those days, is the same person now directing the global response to covid. One Anthony Steven Fauci.

Isn’t that interesting.

History repeats, when one forgets it, or never bothered to learn it in the first place.
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November 22, 2021 11:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Robert F Kennedy’s book exposing Fauci has hit #1 on the Amazon best seller list.
  How Fauci isn’t in jail right now is astonishing. He is a liar and a crook.
  
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  November 22, 2021 12:29pm
  - MCōs
    
    That would be this RFK Jnr?
    Noted anti vaxxer.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/08/robert-kennedy-jr-measles-vaccines-226798/
    
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    November 22, 2021 3:39pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Whats a critique of Fauci’s behaviour got to do with anti vaxxers?
      
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      November 22, 2021 4:15pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Are you have difficulty reading the two comments preceding yours? Please let me try to help:
        1. RFK Jr has written a book espousing various conspiracy theories about Covid-19.
        2. RFK Jr is a crank, most notable as an anti-vaxxer.
        People like ClanMcleod could well celebrate this book’s alleged bestselling status on the assumption that it means RFK Jr is a credible author, or that his book contains credible information. Neither assumption is likely to be true.
        
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        November 22, 2021 4:56pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Meh, you should do some research on Fauci
        
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        November 22, 2021 5:41pm
      - Mike
        
        Why?
        
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        November 22, 2021 6:01pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Well, apparently a majority of Americans are “anti vaxxers”. It’s turning into quite a badge of honour.
      
      https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/a-majority-of-americans-are-anti?
      
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      November 22, 2021 5:40pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Jeez you sound like a Herald reporter!! Throw the ad hominem “conspiracy theory” at everything and hope it sticks. OK, I’ll ask you the same as I ask them, which “conspiracy theory” are you referring to and we’ll have a chat about it…….
      
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      November 22, 2021 5:43pm
      - Reid
        
        I find it a waste of time responding to anything mike says. He’s like Churchill’s definition of a fanatic: can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
        
        The “subject” being anything which he doesn’t agree with.
        
        Possibly because he didn’t think of it first, so it’s automatically wrong.
        
        Who knows.
        
        I stopped caring about it a long time ago. You can give people truth but you can’t force them to look at it. If that’s how they wish to live, good luck to them.
        
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        November 22, 2021 7:28pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It appears that ClanMcleod was replying to a comment from MCos, Reid, but do let me know if you need any more help
        
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        November 22, 2021 7:51pm
      - Reid
        
        No I don’t need any help mike but I’m trying to help you.
        
        See, it’s clear you are on the left side of the fence, and that’s fine.
        
        It’s also clear you have a significant intellect, and that’s a bonus.
        
        But you never use your intellect to do anything to inform the rest of us of the left’s rationale on any topic whatsoever, all you ever do is make sarcastic comments about the topic under discussion, as if that ever adds any value whatsoever to any discussion on here.
        
        One would have thought given what’s currently at stake – the physical wellbeing of our people – you might have been more willing to engage properly with those of us who, in your view, may be mistaken but are nevertheless sincere, with respect to how our politicians and medical specialists are reacting to the crisis, which is global, not just us, so it’s even more critical.
        
        But apparently, you can’t shift yourself from the same perspective you consistently practiced when I used to be a daily contributor here many years ago.
        
        And given what’s at stake for our nation, and given what I suspect you are capable of providing should you simply drop that and start being serious, it’s a real loss.
        
        And I sincerely mean that.
        
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        November 22, 2021 8:53pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

The ‘Sex Offender Management Board’ (SOMB) intends to scrap the term ‘Sex Offender’ for new, ‘less negative’ terminology.

Scum pedos, will now be referred to as…
“adults who commit sexual offenses”

SHEESH!!
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November 22, 2021 11:33am
- Ehlana
  
  How about would-be “adults who commit sexual offenses” scrap their intended behaviour for new, ‘less negative’ behaviours?
  
  Then they’ll never have to worry about people using upsetting words to describe them…
  
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  November 22, 2021 1:22pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Exactly Ehlana!
    And if those who defend scum pedos have a problem…..it’s because they are the problem!!
    
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    November 22, 2021 2:58pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Hmmm, still sounds a bit judgey. “Adults who exercise minor-inclusive sex options” sounds much nicer.
    
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    November 22, 2021 7:08pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Where did you get this news from? NZ doesn’t have a ‘Sex Offender Management Board’, let alone one looking for new synonyms for sex offenders.
  
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  November 22, 2021 1:26pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Is it an anagram for Prime Ministers Office?
    
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    November 22, 2021 4:17pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Seems unlikely, but perhaps Maggie Pie could demonstrate the relevance.
      
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      November 22, 2021 4:57pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        milkey milkey milkey….
        
        Have you stopped to ask yourself why you’re the ONLY ONE that doesn’t get it?
        
        And why do you persist on coming to the defense of filthy pedos anyway??
        
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        November 22, 2021 5:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Maggie, he does not get it in many ways.
        Humour is lost on lefties. Sorry Mike, you do know the reason, you have been told many times buddy
        
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        November 22, 2021 6:33pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Colorado USA mikenmild.
    
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    November 22, 2021 5:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s not difficult to locate…
    
    https://www.kktv.com/2021/11/20/sex-offender-management-board-changes-sex-offender-term-treatment-providers/
    
    And nowhere did Maggiepie imply that is was NZ.
    
    Some folks do like to keep an International eye on events and trends.
    
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    November 22, 2021 5:24pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Oh sorry, I hadn’t realised that Maggie Pie was so passionately interested in the administrative minutiae of judicial terminology in the middle of the USA.
      
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      November 22, 2021 7:37pm
rangitoto

Wuflu origin.

Laos bat –> Wuhan Lab gain of function -> accidental escape.

This looks more and more likely.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10226681/US-documents-scientists-Wuhan-lab-studying-viral-samples-Laos-bats.html
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November 22, 2021 11:38am
- krazykiwi
  
  Love that soft, fluffy term ‘gain of function’. In truth is it essentially weaponising. DoD’s financial backing should have made this clear.
  
  The evidence does point to accidental escape, but the lab’s biosecurity protocols have long been known to be lax.
  
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  November 22, 2021 1:22pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  This earlier meme has reappeared to take our minds of what’s coming up. If the pattern continues next year may be unbearable for the fully compliant vaxxed out.
  
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  November 22, 2021 2:05pm
I remember when

Summer kicks off 15 December:
What are they even altering the dates for the seasons now.
“Calm before the storm: Expert(one of a continuous stream) warns against opening Auckland’s border too early.”
Is this medical advice, scientific advice or are you, like me, starting to think it’s part of a orchestrated PR exercise.
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November 22, 2021 11:45am
- graham
  
  Unfortunately, experts tend to have a blinkered approach and comment from the point of view of their matter of expertise only.
  
  Medical experts will weigh up the MEDICAL risks and benefits only, and conclude that from a MEDICAL perspective it’s lunacy to open up now. Ignoring the SOCIAL and ECONOMIC perspectives entirely. Not giving any thought to the SOCIAL impacts of those families who have not been allowed to see their loved ones for three months, nor to the ECONOMIC impacts of businesses losing the majority of their income from Aucklanders.
  
  It’s the same when people on the street are interviewed about opening up the borders. I suspect that almost invariably the ones who are in favour of keeping Aucklanders locked up are those whose jobs/incomes/livelihoods don’t depend on Aucklanders spending their money in their cafe or tourist hotspot.
  
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  November 22, 2021 12:23pm
  - Ehlana
    
    I think those interviewed by the media should have to declare their interests – it’s obvious why the restaurateur wants the Aucklanders back, but the person on the street should have to declare whether they are reliant on Aucklanders too. For example, “I’m a public servant, so 1/3 of my salary is contributed by Aucklanders, but I think they shouldn’t be allowed out because…”
    
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    November 22, 2021 1:33pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  What really annoys me about all these ‘experts’ is that their salaries/livelihoods do NOT depend on the well-being of our economy. All these health experts, professors etc. are still receiving 100% of their salaries that are paid by us, the taxpayers.
  
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  November 22, 2021 2:53pm
ABS4EVA

How many random shootings do we reckon will be
in New Lynn this week

Do you reckon they will get the Right Houses this time.

I used to walk through there Wow
What a change

It is sure probably not going to be the
Jehova Witnesses anymore?

The Wild Bloody West.

What a sick joke NZ now is a
Sick Sad and pathetic joke.
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November 22, 2021 12:07pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And let’s not forget we’ve still got that ‘unexplained death’ in Remuera.
  
  I used to walk the dog along Upland Rd 🙁
  
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  November 22, 2021 12:36pm
  - ABS4EVA
    
    Was that Vaccine related Coincidence or just a Government Sponsored Gang Death?
    
    Drive By or Kick in?
    
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    November 22, 2021 1:04pm
    - MCōs
      
      The vaccine made me do it, Judge.
      
      Guilty!
      
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      November 22, 2021 3:16pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Your dog will be mostly safe.
    
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    November 22, 2021 2:25pm
    - ABS4EVA
      
      I keep Dogs to keep other people safe from me
      and so I do not have to have one of those
      annoying Court Cases
      
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      November 22, 2021 4:13pm
  - Russ the Muss
    
    Cuddles Coster is onto it, I’m sure as quick as he can text his leader that tamaki has been a naughty boy, the culprit will be caught.
    
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    November 22, 2021 9:28pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd5a3_8zOIw

Rittenhouse Verdict Sends Media Over the Edge!

The MSM are slightly miffed over the Rittenhouse not guilty verdict. They’ll be even angrier when the defamation lawsuits arrive. [8:04. Lets go, Brandon.]
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November 22, 2021 12:12pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Kit Knightly at OffGuardian does a decent cover of the Rittenhouse story.
  
  https://off-guardian.org/2021/11/20/kyle-rittenhouse-anatomy-of-a-divisive-distraction/
  
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  November 22, 2021 2:54pm
- ex-golfer
  
  The MSM weren’t particularly interested in this case.
  It certainly didn’t get wall-to-wall coverage or a live scream.
  I guess it didn’t fit the narrative they prefer?
  https://weartv.com/news/local/florida-man-acquitted-of-shooting-at-deputies-in-raid-that-led-to-death-of-girlfriend
  
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  November 22, 2021 3:00pm
curry4me

https://defiantamerica.com/a-little-girl-just-karate-blocked-creepy-joe-as-biden-creeps-on-her-video/

A Little Girl Just Karate Blocked Creepy Joe As Biden Creeps on Her (Video)

The discussion around Biden’s behavior has largely been fueled by a string of accusations by several women that he “inappropriately” touched them. Most notably, back in March last year, the former senator’s staffer Tara Reid publicly came forward saying he sexually assaulted her back in 1993.
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November 22, 2021 12:13pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m starting to think it might be impossible to be president of the US without being credibly accused of fraud, imbecility, sexual assault, or all three.
  
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  November 22, 2021 1:09pm
  - Lance
    
    A long time ago people used to care about policies and law changes from their political leaders.
    Now it’s continuous got-cha’s
    
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    November 22, 2021 3:13pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I think people have always cared more about anything salacious or scurrilous. What has happened more recently is that the ability of those in power to suppress information has been severely curtailed.
      
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      November 22, 2021 4:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    We do not even know who you are Mike.
    You DO a lot of research on this, so please share your links …. Come on Mike, are you up to defending yourself? Or just trolling as usual?
    
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    November 22, 2021 6:41pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Does anyone really think that links are needed to label Ronald Reagan or Joe Biden as senile, Reagan Bush Jr and Biden as stupid, Bush Snr as crooked, Bill Clinton and Biden as sex pests, and Trump as senile, stupid, crooked and a sex pest?
      
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      November 22, 2021 7:46pm
hookerphil

In line with all the rugby comments earlier it is apparent the rugby strength area has moved north. I would wonder if New Zealand, Australia and South Africa have all been beaten on the same weekend before (but haven’t bothered looking).
In the meantime the 5 “Super” rugby 2022 squads have been announced. I notice that 26 players have been listed as shifting to Japan 15, France 4, England & Italy 2 Ireland, Scotland, Wales 1 x each.
I wonder if this continual drain is ever so lightly lowering our skill levels ?
The other point on Foster now having been appointed through to 2023, didn’t Wayne Smith feel that perhaps things were not going that well for him and he withdrew from the position. Not all deputies make the step up.
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November 22, 2021 12:40pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think Wayne Smith made the mistake of being unsure in public whether he wanted to carry on. This apparently unforgiveable lapse led to the appointment of John ‘we’re going on a journey’ Mitchell. Given the overall débâcle of the 2003 RWC, botched by the administration, coaches and players, there might be an understandable feeling that the time to change coach is immediately after a world cup, not halfway through the cycle.
  
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  November 22, 2021 1:15pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING NOW

Possible terror attack in Wisconsin….
car plows into city’s Santa Parade.
Three suspects on the run described as ‘back males’
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November 22, 2021 1:05pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Here we go…..with vid 🙁
  
  https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1462571533231169547
  
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  November 22, 2021 1:29pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Here is a live link to the press conference.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21n0NIeWg9U
  
  I saw the footage of the attack and i am calling it now, it was a terror attack similar to the one in France at Nice. The driver deliberately targeted those school girls.
  
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  November 22, 2021 2:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘back males’
  emasculated
  
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  November 22, 2021 6:47pm
ex-golfer

Has anyone told MSNBC and CNN that the people attacking Kyle Rittenhouse and who he defended himself against weren’t black?
And that all participants in the sorry saga were the same colour?
Or are they still trying to paint the outcome of the trial as a racial thing?
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November 22, 2021 1:18pm
Surely Knott

Is freedom far right?
From Al Jazeera – “Austrian far-right Freedom Party protests against COVID measures”
“Freedom Party supporters among thousands protesting in Vienna against COVID lockdown and mandatory vaccinations.”

So freedom and bodily autonomy are now far – right ?

And parties who support strict authoritarian rules, emergency rules without consultation for the good of the people, creating two classes of people and enforcing mandatory gene based vaccines are….centre left?
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November 22, 2021 2:12pm
ClanMcleod

Well well, looks like the majority of Americans are anti-vaxxers, whoda thunkit…..

https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/a-majority-of-americans-are-anti?
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November 22, 2021 2:48pm
Southern Raider

Headline says “40 year old dies from COVID”

But is it “from” or “with” as he was apparently in hospital for a long time and that one word makes a massive difference to the narrative
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November 22, 2021 4:15pm
- kowtow
  
  Context is everything .
  
  What else was wrong with him.
  
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  November 22, 2021 4:51pm
ABS4EVA

I could spend the Afternoon typing up
all the Potentially Life Threatening
Situations I extracted myself from in Auckland.

I hear it has improved.

I do LOVE MY DOGS
I LOVE them to BITS

People used to think my first Dog was 2
he was that good

You need 2 now get them to work as a Team
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November 22, 2021 4:17pm
Southern Raider

Soper asks PM why she won’t get Nash to apologise over Groundswell comments

She waffles any answer and Soper challenged her again. She then gave him a snarling look and said “I’ve already given you the context”
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November 22, 2021 4:20pm
- lifesgood
  
  Go Barry! He’s really sticking it to her and she don’t like it!
  
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  November 22, 2021 4:54pm
  - graham
    
    Oh dear … is Jacinda finding it slightly more difficult to hide from Soper than it was to hide from Hosking? Aww, shame.
    
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    November 22, 2021 6:20pm
- godruelf
  
  I hope Jamie MacKay sticks it to her again on Wednesday on The Country as well
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:28pm
burt

December 3rd is the first day I can start demanding people show me their papers. Cool.
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November 22, 2021 4:36pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  The details on the vaccine pass can be easily changed in Photoshop or similar program.
  
  Until they develop the app for business to scan the vaccine passes, they are useless.
  
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  November 22, 2021 7:40pm
Maggie Pie

Watched the PM’s 4pm update.

Asked myself whether I’d rather have Barry and Heather IN the tent pissing out……or both OUTSIDE the tent pissing in?

Not happy campers by the sound of it…..
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November 22, 2021 4:51pm
Stu2

I’ve just had a look at the gap between first and second doses.

Overall first 91.3%, second 83.4%, a gap of 7.9 percentage points

But for Maori it is 79.3%, 64.3% a gap of 15 percentage points. 64% is not a high second dose rate.

And Pacific 89.5%, 78.9% a gap of 10.6 percentage points

So Maori in paticular have been reluctant to vaccinate, and many of those with a first dose have not gone on to a second.

No wonder the 90% in all DHBs has gone.
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November 22, 2021 5:06pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Was KFC offered and petrol vouchers etc for the second jab?
  
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  November 23, 2021 7:45am
Ehlana

So the sad news is, people are abusing retail staff.

I get that many people feel strongly about vaccine and mask mandates. I don’t like them either and being told to put my mask on is annoying. But retail staff don’t make the law. Employees will be trying to enforce it because their boss told them they have to and their boss is trying to enforce it because it’s the law.

So please, frustrating as the whole thing is, let’s try not to take it out on the people who can do least about it. If you claim to believe in diversity, believe also in treating other people with courtesy and respect, even if they disagree with you. Leave verbal abuse and physical assaults to people who can’t formulate an argument in support of their views.
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November 22, 2021 5:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I did not know a mandate was actually a ‘law’ Is it not just a socialist rule?
  
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  November 22, 2021 5:39pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    For someone complaining about the rules a lot, it seems you don’t know much about them.
    
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    November 22, 2021 7:48pm
- kowtow
  
  Sadly retail staff get shit from lowlifes all the time.
  
  This story is just more media propaganda to further the govts’ agenda that those selfish extremists who refuse to follow the govt mandates are untermenschen who put everyone else in danger .
  
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  November 22, 2021 5:51pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s not a law. There are multiple exemptions for not wearing a mask. Many very genuine. I am exempt, but it doesn’t stop idiots who don’t know it isn’t the law from getting stroppy and thinking they are some sort of authoritarian enforcer. I’ve had to write letters to a couple of managers re their staff and their lack of understanding of what is and isn’t permissible. Quoting the relevant government orders. I’ve had apologies back and promises to make sure the staff understand the actual rules.
  I’ve had people demanding to see my doctor’s certificate. Not only isn’t it required for exemption, it’s none of their fucking business. I don’t ask people to show me their AIDS status or Hepatitis status.
  Sorry for the outburst but it is not only stressful, it is embarrassing and it is all the fault of that evil witch on the 9th floor. She deliberately gave people the impression that this is absolute law when it isn’t. Yet again, manipulating others to do her dirty work for her.
  I do feel sorry for some of them trying to enforce it and will politely explain what the actual law is, those I will show my exemption card to – but not the little nazis who thrive on it. They get all barrels at once then ignored.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:37pm
Lucia Maria

Worldwide protests against lockdowns and mandates – lots of links to twitter videos
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November 22, 2021 5:37pm
- Inandout
  
  LM, almost like Jacinda has had instructions on this mandate thing.
  
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  November 22, 2021 6:06pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Yep.
    
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    November 22, 2021 6:45pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Presumably this was all over One News and in the Herald. Yes, sarcasm…….useless assholes.
  
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  November 22, 2021 8:38pm
NZer In Exile

Went to donate a one off $20 to Kiwiblog using an anonymous gift Visa card.

Donating it turns out requires divulging a lot of personal info. Not willing to do that so no donation made.

It would be great if gift Visa cards could be used.
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November 22, 2021 8:29pm
ClanMcleod

Another study indicating natural immunity is much better than “vaccine” induced immunity. The data is coming thick and fast, problem in NZ is our politicians are thick and slow.

https://trialsitenews.com/harvard-affiliated-study-of-healthcare-workers-evidences-robust-natural-immunity/
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November 22, 2021 8:48pm
ecco

Pathetic Ardern making Auckland hospo wait another 2 whole bloody weeks to open up. Patently obvious that she hasn’t got HER act together with the vaccine passport and not any other reason. Just absolute BS saying they need time to plan. Just shows her and Robertson have absolutely no commercial sense. Never have and never will.

If you are going to let all the school kids mix and mingle, even in the high covid Akl areas, there’s absolutely no reason to hold hospo back. Just downright bloody minded. But par for the course with this crowd. Auckland hospo is going to struggle only having a couple of weeks to recoup 12 weeks of this idiotic lockdown. Poor bastards.
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November 22, 2021 9:19pm
Maggie Pie

I see ‘milkey’ is already able to log-in here and comment under 2 different names.

Wonder if he realises, if he sets up another 18 different email addresses, he could actually give his own posts ‘gold’ status.

Just saying.
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November 22, 2021 9:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Mods are aware of this, as you would be if you looked at their responses to your own comments. I am not breaching the comments policy, although you are.
  
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  November 22, 2021 10:13pm
- ecco
  
  maggie – those three down ticks are undoutbtedly from milky or else, Okahu, that fella McDonald, mcos and a couple of others.
  
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  November 23, 2021 10:16am
fernglas

The Government is even shafting its own airline through its farcical and unreasonable MIQ policy
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/air-new-zealand-cancels-1000-flights-due-to-continued-border-uncertainty/3MQP5TIN6DX7DKTMEM4HWVWD4A/
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November 22, 2021 9:34pm
Captain Mainwaring

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/127066431/air-new-zealand-cancels-1000-flights-between-aotearoa-and-australia

Lucky the flights were between Australia and some ficticious country. If NZ was the other country it would be a bit of a concern.
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November 22, 2021 9:44pm
ABS4EVA

The Only Politician in Australia with any BALLS

Pauline Hanson

Just Issued the People giving everyone else

Ultimatums an

Ultimatum

FANTASTIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQAJit8fx20

You want to play Zero Consultation and
HARD BALL

Let’s play HARD BALL

Pauline Hanson gives PM ultimatum over vaccine mandates
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November 22, 2021 9:57pm
ABS4EVA

DEMOCRACY in AUSTRALIA

may DIE a Death on Thursday

Thanks to NZ and AUS Labour

Est over 100,000 Victorians
Marched on the Weekend
against DAN ANDREWS

Power tripping new legislation
that he keep telling all the clueless
is based on the BEST NZ
LEGISLATION

IF he gets this through AUS is KAPUT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLCR4rWQJzM&list=PL2OFHLSeLxlbGzt7FOq8P2SE9GJajLYKh&index=10

Look at the People Coming OUT

AGAINST LABOUR
AGAINST THE CCP

Against this God Damned Fraud of a
POWER GRAB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M_W448Tcb4&t=329s

That is an understatement for the UTTER
CONTEMPT people have for….

Dan Andrews and Jacinda

Complete and Utter Contempt for them
everything they SAY Everything they do
and HOW they DO IT?

From the most liveable City in the World
To A Global Laughing stock
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November 22, 2021 10:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Interesting post up on YSB blog which references a notice that was on the Min of Health site a few days back… giving instructions to medical professionals on how to manage unvaxed patients

https://mcusercontent.com/e0f05f1f51c69ca2ccb1bf848/files/8d46e90a-37d9-3a3d-6699-0d0c806e9ace/Ministry_of_Health_position_statement_on_the_management_of_unvaccinated_individuals_in_healthcare_settings.pdf

This point is highlighted:

When there is high COVID-19 vaccine coverage (i.e., above 80 percent of eligible people are fully vaccinated), transmission is more likely to occur from a vaccinated than an unvaccinated individual.

Be careful out there folks, now most places have over 80% of their eligible population fully vaxxed.
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November 23, 2021 9:00am
ABS4EVA

Democracy DIES tomorrow in AUSTRALIA
or this week

Even the Toned Down

DAN ANDREWS
JACINDA Pandemic bill

is a NIGHTMARE

Dan and Cindy look to have had chitty chats
and compared notes so…….

BEND OVER New Zealand and Australia
they are going to RAM this in so Hard
and Fast your Eyes will Water

YOu have to see the amount of people
Taking to the Streets against
LABOUR in VICTORIA

100,000 last week

You will see over 300,000
if this BS is Past

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SCnb0ID60s

He is ONE VOTE Short of
LAW by Decree

many Victorians have had a GUTS FULL

All this Power Grabbing Legislation is being
Rushed through and what is WORSE

They sell it to AUS on the Guise it is the
Best NZ Legislation……

It was so well thought out they did not even know
if it gave them power to SUSPEND

Elections?

60 QC’s opposed it

It appears that……….
When they suspended Parliament it was so
they could work on the Next Legislative
ROGERING
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