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krazykiwi

Here is a fun challenge: –

Convincing the unjabbed that the jab works so they’ll get the jab

… while …

Convincing the jabbed that the jab doesn’t work so they’ll get the booster.

Good luck with that.
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November 14, 2021 8:00am
- Rich Prick
  
  And convincing the jabbed they are safe from both the jabbed and the unclean unjabbed. There is some seriously nutty thinking out there. Unless of course, the jab doesn’t work, in which case the jabbed might have a point.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:07am
  - Russ the Muss
    
    Yeah, I was listening to those two Tim clowns from newstalkzb in the car yesterday, had to change channels. They were just going on and on about unvaxxed and the freedom protesters. My question is this, why do they fear them? Their hubris is astonishing, their moral superiority of getting vaxxed isn’t enough , that they have to denigrate everyone who has made a separate choice as crazy and nutters. What is the point of these constant attacks? According to them they are safe, so why attack our fellow people who are according to them unsafe and are now u able to participate in society? WTF is going on here???? High minded smug tossers…
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:14am
    - Nickc2
      
      If those two Tim Clowns were any further left, they’d qualify for a Passport from the Flat Earth Society.
      
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      November 14, 2021 8:35am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Playground bullying is the best I can come up with. The self-righteousness in the media is off the scale. I guess that’s what $110m buys the Government in times like these.
      
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      November 14, 2021 8:36am
    - G152
      
      It’s democracy Russ but not as they would have it
      
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      November 14, 2021 8:42am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      The worst ZB bod is the one after Hoskins in Wellington. Seems to have the mind of a toy.
      
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      November 14, 2021 8:43am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Hosking. Where the Hell do you get Hoskins from?
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:04am
      - David Garrett
        
        Captain: Names seem to be a real challenge for some people…from 2008 to the time he stepped down, many people thought we had a PM called John KEYS.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:19am
      - Flossie
        
        And who the heck is Luxton??
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:20am
    - pdm
      
      Tim Roxborgh is a rabid leftyand Jacinda admirer.
      
      Tim Beveridge is much more pragmatic and a realist. Although very pro vaccination I do not think he is a great admirer of the Prime Minister or the Government.
      
      Unfortunately Roxborgh tends to control the narrative – as all lefties try to do.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:05am
    - Jim
      
      Ohh those sanctimonious supercilious woke dopes offering their wisdom to the nation lol.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:36am
    - stewmar
      
      I reckon that the two nitwits who come on after lunch are just as bad! And as for Kerry, she can’t decide which side of the fence she wants to be on. She quite happily criticises the Covid response but cuts callers off if they are critical of the chosen one. Very odd.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:57am
      - Batman
        
        The old fashioned rule of play the ball and not the person. It was useful until tacky personal abuse became en vogue in the last five years.
        
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        November 14, 2021 12:08pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Give her a break, she’s only there to fill in the space between commercials FFS.
        
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        November 14, 2021 12:49pm
- CJames
  
  There are lots of cognitive disconnection in their ever more desperate mandate justification pronouncements. It is getting to the level of truthiness, one step of just lying. If the vaccine does its job, what is the risk of the 10% who won’t get jabbed? If the vaccine doesn’t give a high probability of protection, why get jabbed? In their daily statistics, there seems to be no mention of vaxxed to unvaxxed ratio. Has that got embarrassing? If the vaccine loses its effectiveness, like the same vaccine has in Israel, why haven’t there been any mention of the need for a booster – or even preparations for it?
  The MoH knows they need a booster because they sent a letter to GPs advising that any of their patients who could be a risk needs a booster (but it isn’t called that) if it has been two months since their second shot. That sounds like it isn’t effective for very long at all.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:27am
  - artemisia
    
    Where are the questions to the government about what level of remaining vax efficacy will turn the jabbed into the unjabbed?
    
    Assuming the new vax certificates will automatically change from green to orange then red at some predetermined point?
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:35am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Literally, the only reason to get vaccinated is because they offer good protection against serious illness. The protection against infection is, let’s be charitable, ‘tenuous’. Hence the need for boosters.
    
    Logically that means that vaccine mandates are without foundation.
    
    And this is where the politicians are tying themselves in knots. They can only promote vaccine certificates if they argue that they ARE effective in preventing infection, to a significant extent, AND that such protection is enduring.
    
    Now it is clear that Jacinda has learned that line and I am sure she believes it. But in turn, that makes it impossible for her to start talking about booster shots because folk will then realise that the premise of vaccine certificates is a false premise.
    
    It would be really funny if it was not wrecking the country. ?
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:36am
    - Leofric
      
      Benedict, please forgive my essential ignorance on the entire topic, but is this connected with the fact that even though I am double-jabbed and live in the South Island, I still have to wear a face mask everywhere I go, and record all my movements for the Government?
      
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      November 14, 2021 8:41am
      - Don Beckett
        
        You don’t HAVE to wear a face mask everywhere you go. It is shear stupidity wearing one outside in the fresh air. You can get an exemption from the MoH, but even if you don’t simply tell people you have an exemption – even inside – and you don’t have to tell them why you are exempt.
        
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        November 14, 2021 10:53am
      - Leofric
        
        Don, I don’t literally mean EVERY-where. You know what I’m talking about.
        
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        November 14, 2021 12:15pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Okay – but I do see many people – perhaps a big majority – out in the fresh air with face masks, and probably 20% of the cars I pass, the driver – on his own – is wearing a mask.
        Tha’s what propaganda, lies & fear do to some people.
        
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        November 14, 2021 1:17pm
      - Leofric
        
        I see the same people Don, apparently gripped by fear or something. I personally can’t stand wearing a mask. It makes an appearance only when I have all but no choice.
        
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        November 14, 2021 1:25pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Leo: Like you I only where them inside businesses where I have to. Though I’m now wearing mine below my nose as a small protest. If asked I’ll say I can’t breathe well with it over my nose. So far no one has said anything.
        
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        November 14, 2021 3:33pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Reports that the jabs may have long term secondary affects independent of Covid are not very encouraging. The fact that hospitals are now querying the flood of unexpected vaccinated patients–is that backing that up? It’s a waiting game.
      
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      November 14, 2021 8:47am
      - krazykiwi
        
        There is emerging evidence that the mRNA jabs may permanently damage the innate immune system. I’m keeping an eye on this as the implications would be enormous.
        
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        November 14, 2021 8:50am
      - Man Among the Ruins
        
        Pfizer create and sell the problem and then sell the solution. Brilliant. That’s the wider theme at play here as well.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:38am
      - Fight4NZ
        
        So where are these reports?
        
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        November 14, 2021 5:00pm
    - Rodney Hide
      
      Once again Benedict, I learn from your analysis. The same is true of the mandates. The benefit is small if non existent, but good people are losing their livelihoods while businesses, schools and medical facilities etc, are losing valuable staff.
      
      The troublesome thing is that the MSM is wall-to-wall not presenting the facts or analysis of the policy. They have signed up to 90 percent.
      
      We would be lost if it were not for our dear host and commentators such as yourself. I also enjoy the commentators who disagree with your analysis because it is that debate we are sorely lacking outside of this blog.
      
      sincerely
      
      Rodney Hide
      
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      November 14, 2021 8:49am
      - bronny1
        
        So Mr Hide
        Presumably you still have some connections to the ACT party. If so can you explain why Seymour is supporting the mandates? It’s bizarre!
        
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        November 14, 2021 2:01pm
    - cmm
      
      “They can only promote vaccine certificates …”
      
      Let me correct that for you: “They can only LOGICALLY promote vaccine certificates…”
      
      Driving up fear defeats logic. This is a well understood psychological phenomenon. It is observed in diving accidents and aircraft accidents and is used to manipulate people in many ways, politically and ion the battle field.
      
      There has been zero logic from the beginning, but maximum fear.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_pit
      
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      November 14, 2021 8:59am
      - Fight4NZ
        
        But most starkly in illogical anti-vaxx behaviour.
        
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        November 14, 2021 12:00pm
    - mawm
      
      I’m sure those double vaxxed patients who die from covid are grateful for the good protection these vaccines offer. I think the term “some protection” is a better choice.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:34am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “Literally, the only reason to get vaccinated is because they offer good protection against serious illness. The protection against infection is, let’s be charitable, ‘tenuous’. Hence the need for boosters.”
      
      Wrong, wrong and wrong again, Benedict.
      
      1. The Pfizer jab isn’t a vaccine
      2. It doesn’t offer good protection at all. It offers “some” protection.
      3. The main reason I got the jab was so I could travel, and not be excluded from going about my lawful business. I did it through gritted teeth, and not because I fear the needle.
      
      Also a pretty obvious logic fail re boosters. You state (correctly) that the jab only offers tenuous protection from infection, so why would that change when you get another jab? And another one, and another one?
      
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      November 14, 2021 10:54am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “so why would that change when you get another jab? And another one, and another one?”
        
        Because the data says so. A third booster induces a strong immune response. What happens after that we don’t know.
        
        “2. It doesn’t offer good protection at all. It offers “some” protection.”
        
        What is your evidence? The data says otherwise.
        
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        November 14, 2021 2:06pm
  - Jim
    
    I am disappointed to find that ‘natural immunity’ may have been designated (by MoH?) as ‘anti-vac wrong think’ and therefore resigned to the memory hole?
    Such apparent censorship may come back and bite those same censors, unless they can rely on the same powerful propaganda agencies to perpetually suppress the full facts.
    Here is one rare MD discussing the reported merits of both natural and synthetic immunity.
    https://youtu.be/9bamaEMftg4
    I do wonder how most young and healthy people really feel about a potentially endless c19 vaccination schedule in order to keep ‘health passports’ valid to go for a coffee or haircut in ‘free NZ’.
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:05am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    For all adult age groups your unvaccinated risk of death from covid is approximately the same as your normal (no covid) risk of dying in any 10 week period, but in fact it is only about 10٪ of that if you don’t have serious health issues (comorbidities are almost all deaths). So really unvaccinated your risk of death is equal to about 1 week of non-covid risk of death (if you are in good health). Put another way; unvaxxed people are 50x more likely to die of something other than covid (even if infected) in next year!
    I think if general population knew this it would completely change the mood of the nation with regard to covid. But would run counter to govt (and media lap dog genda)
    
    Vaccines drop your risk to about 1day worth of non-covid risk of death.
    
    For healthy people covid is nearly irrelevant as a risk even if untvaxxed. Covid policy is all about govt avoiding looking bad due to lot of already sick people dying in their hospital. At risk people should get vaccine but other than that we should accept hospitals will be highly stressed and otherwise completely disregard it and get on with life as normal in NZ.
    
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    November 14, 2021 10:12am
  - Fight4NZ
    
    “lots of cognitive disconnection”. Sure is.
    I have to assume that is why it is so extremely hard to accept vaccines don’t work on an individual level alone, especially for those with legitimate reasons preventing them from being vaccinated.
    That the vaccines give high levels of protection are crystal clear from the data internationally where case numbers plummet following vaccinations. Inescapable logical conclusion, get vaccinated. That the effectiveness reduces over time doesn’t change this, it simply reinforces the case to have booster shots.
    Hospitalisations are almost entirely unvaccinated, many days 100%. Get vaccinated or enjoy suffering unnecessarily.
    If there is no preparation to supply boosters by now, then that would be typical of execution failure of this Govt.
    Boosters after 2 months is not mentioned in anything I’ve seen. Misinterpretation? Just lying?
    
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    November 14, 2021 11:19am
    - CJames
      
      FightNZ.
      You don’t know what you are talking about. I know all about the booster letter as my daughter is a GP nurse and vaccinator. She told me about it as it was relevant to me. My GP told me in writing what the conditions were. I qualified so have now have had three Covid Shots. So you are just spreading disinformation.
      
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      November 14, 2021 4:21pm
      - CJames
        
        And according to today’s notice, 11% of those hospitalised have been fully vaccinated for more than 14 days. That doesn’t sound like “Hospitalisations are almost entirely unvaccinated, ” to me.
        
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        November 14, 2021 4:27pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        I’m spreading misinformation?? You’ll have to be more specific on what point?
        So 89% of today’s hospitalised are unvaccinated. That is the definition of almost entirely, so again I am not understanding your point? Even more so when you note that total Auckland hospitalised are around 250 unvaccinated vs 10 vaccinated. With near 90% vaccination rate that is categorical evidence of effectiveness.
        Nevertheless my thanks and respect that you have followed advice.
        
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        November 14, 2021 8:44pm
      - CJames
        
        No you got the maths wrong – 59% were unvaccinated OR ineligible. They didn’t give the split. The difference were those that made up of less than 14 days double. And it was less than 250 total. I didn’t link to it to make you do your own research.
        I note by your silence you are conceding the MoH is recommending boosters under a different name.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:20pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    IMHO the drug companies have made sure their vaccines arent effective long term. I mean if you want to maximise profits and shareholder value then you create a vaccine that needs to be repeated at regular intervals . You dont create a one shot for ever vaccine.
    
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    November 14, 2021 11:32am
    - Fight4NZ
      
      So they don’t have time for full testing of safety, but they have managed to do enough research to time control the effectiveness?
      
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      November 14, 2021 11:43am
    - Don Beckett
      
      One word for that – Planned Obselescence.
      
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      November 14, 2021 1:20pm
    - miltonF
      
      If this has nothing to do with a virus, and the true goal all along was vaccine passports, then it would be highly desirable to have a “vaccine” which must be repeated twice per year. It keeps up compliance and shows every 6months that the subject is a willing participant in the new totalitarian normal.
      
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      November 14, 2021 2:23pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        If you seriously think that it is remotely possible to build obsolescence into a vaccine then you really have zero credibility for any comment on the topic.
        
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        November 14, 2021 8:49pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    2 Months!!!! Good Grief. And remember you are not counted as vaccinated until 2 weeks after the second shot. So that is only 6 weeks of protection.
    
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    November 14, 2021 4:43pm
  - Scooter
    
    NZers will need a booster like every other country is now doing (Italy now 40 Yr olds plus can get it) and probably will be mandatory. Jacinda and Bloomfield are shit scared to admit this as it will make people have second thoughts about the 2nd one. So probably around mid next year and no open border before then. Will be interesting to see the outcome overseas after the 3rd if case numbers keep increasing what bullshit govt’s will pull next to keep people jabbed.
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:59pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  They have been very silent on the fact that their new health passport will have to have a very short expiry date, could be 4 to 5 months, from last jab.
  
  My guess is 6 to 12 months, what is our one source of truth saying. So you will get your vaccine passport and already be expired, how will that work, you will need your next booster first?
  
  How will people feel that after all the hype they were effectively not covered, it may well be that it goes to negative efacy and you are more likely to get infected, without any natural immunity.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:35am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Good reason to microchip all. That will make the reading and updating so much easier.
    (Not in my lifetime.)
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:49am
    - David Garrett
      
      KevO: “Not in my lifetime” Do you want to bet on that?
      
      I can easily see banks offering chipping within the next 10 years (which I hope is well within my lifetime). Imagine the presentation: “If you get a microchip which does the job of both your debit and credit cards, you need never worry about losing your card(s) again. No need to worry about your cards being lost or stolen; it’s now permanently in the back of your hand!”
      
      Then they further incentivize customers by gradually increasing the cost of replacement cards – with an offer to get microchipped for free every time you need one.
      
      I’m prepared to bet the above scenario will occur – perhaps even sooner than I suggest.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:05am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Sounds a lot more secure than carrying a smart phone everywhere.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:11am
      - Clownworld
        
        Another conspiracy that will come true. Although latest research indicates a micro dot invisible to eye tattoo on your hand or forehead rather than a chip size of a grain of rice under skin. Trials already done just a case of scaling. Bill Gates loves it. The pragmatic benefits will be hard to resist.
        Why do you think the whole WuHan problem solution fiasco is such a mess?
        Makes the next reset easier.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:36am
      - rouppe
        
        You’re forgetting that contactless payments are not universally accepted so you can have as many chips as you want, when the merchant terminal says “swipe or insert card” you’ll still be left hanging.
        
        Half the banks can’t even support a Google pay platform from your phone.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:43am
      - Sacha
        
        But you could lose your hand! Amputations could become a common event!
        
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        November 14, 2021 10:14am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I have read some of Klaus Schwab’s Great Reset and am not impressed that an elite NGO, World Economic Forum, has published a full scenario involving such microchipping.
        Our PM is one of their school and there are strong hints of the preparation for the transhumanism agenda. I have enough problems already with real trans humans and their gender issues without this extra layer of microchipped ones for social control and health(?) maintenance.
        
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        November 14, 2021 3:44pm
    - Inandout
      
      KO, chipping works on dogs and from a law enforcement point of view would be advantageous for locating escapees. Of course from a civil rights point of view chipping would be abhorrent but in the future may come to pass.
      
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      November 14, 2021 10:12am
      - Clownworld
        
        Forehead microchips hard to amputate.
        
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        November 14, 2021 5:02pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      So thieves will then steal your body parts instead of your credit card to get to the implanted chip?
      
      Would you get multiple implants just like you get multiple credit cards?
      
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      November 14, 2021 11:05am
- Simon
  
  Convincing NZ into lock down in May 2022, to protect the hospitals, will also be interesting.
  
  You are fully vaccinated will go the same way as Zero covid.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:40am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  The same sort of luck you needed with your “herd immunity” theory.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:48am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is not clear to whom you are addressing that comment. Or what it means.
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:58am
    - cmm
      
      It’s Brain having another Brian fart.
      
      He has a long criminal history. “Thinking” is different for him.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:03am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        On Kiwiblog, everyone’s opinions have equal validity. That’s part of the charm of an open forum.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:13am
      - Local Miller
        
        “Everyone’s opinion has equal validity”
        No, it doesn’t. Everyone has and equal right to express their opinion, this says nothing about that opinion being valid.
        
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        November 14, 2021 3:07pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      It’s just Brian being is usual creepy stalker self. His verbal discharges are, fortunately, less well aimed than his ballistic discharges.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:22am
      - cmm
        
        Naah
        
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        December 14, 2020 9:51am
      - David Garrett
        
        Krazy: Comment of the day Sir!
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:56am
      - cmm
        
        Hey mods, if you are going to modify a person’s post someone says then at least put in a note that what was said was moderated.
        
        For the record, I didn’t just say “Naah”.
        
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        November 14, 2021 5:04pm
- cmm
  
  It’s easy.
  
  In March they convinced us that having the lowest vax rate was a virtue because it provided more for the people that really needed it (ie. non-New Zealanders).
  
  Six months later they convinced us that we had to have a higher vax rate than everyone else.
  
  What changed?
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:52am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Amazing. I had almost forgotten. IIRC Chris Hipkins said something like it would be against New Zealand values or even immoral if vaccines were diverted from more deserving nations. Just extraordinary. ?
    
    But it shows how politicians can turn on a dime as Americans say.
    
    Expect in February. “They vaccines are wearing off. This is a shock to us. Your vaccine certificate will expire 6 months after your second dose. You all need boosters.”
    
    No I’m not joking. I expect that in February.
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:03am
    - David Garrett
      
      Benedict: I think that scenario is very likely to occur.
      
      Remember back when all this started, the perceived wisdom was that masks were useless because the pore size was 200 times (or something) bigger than the virus? Now we have mandated mask wearing. The size of the virus particle hasn’t changed.
      
      My South Island source tells me there is widespread rebellion against mask wearing down there.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:10am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Well at least in Christchurch I have not seen someone without a mask in a shop.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:22am
      - KH
        
        David Garret. Masks are everywhere here in Otago. You informant is making stuff up.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:29am
      - Taieri
        
        Sorry KH, clicked on ‘report’ by mistake.
        
        In my estimate about 50% of Otago people on the streets are muzzled.
        
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        November 14, 2021 10:12am
      - Sacha
        
        Mask wearing is mostly honoured in the breach around here in small town NI, especially in the rural businesses where they are worn under the chin.
        But at the supermarket, after leaving one’s muddy boots at the door, one raises one’s mask before entering.
        
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        November 14, 2021 10:20am
    - krazykiwi
      
      It’s happening: Booster refusal ‘killing the double jabbed’
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:27am
      - Mr_Blobby
        
        So it has started, regular jabs for the rest of your life.
        
        What happened to our natural immunity.
        
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        November 14, 2021 11:25am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        What do you mean? We all have an immune system. But we still get vaccinated against a wide range of virus and bacteria borne illness.
        
        And yes sadly we will be getting annual covid shots indefinitely. That has become clear to me just in the last few days. And I now think it is inevitable that children will be immunised in New Zealand from 6 months old. No tolerance of dissent.
        
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        November 14, 2021 3:00pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Sadly I think the Pfizer CEO will get his way. Annual booster shots.
      
      https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/26/pfizer-ceo-albert-bourla-said-we-may-need-annual-covid-shots.html
      
      And that will be enforced in New Zealand by your vaccine certificate expiring after 12 months. The only alternative would be to abandon vaccine certificates.
      
      The thing is I will probably get an annual booster. But I don’t care what others do. I’m not scared of unvaccinated people and I don’t support vaccine certificates for the general population.
      
      I would support vaccine mandates and compulsory regular booster shots in restricted circumstances. For example medical personnel dealing with immune compromised people. I don’t know where the line gets drawn on compulsory vaccines. Maybe in practice it does need to be all doctors and nurses. But it should not be all people eating in a cafe.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:29am
      - cmm
        
        If we sign up to annual CV19 boosters then what else?
        
        According to Baker, flu kills more people than CV19 (he says 10,000 people in NZ die of flu related causes every year). In 2019 he was pushing flu vaccinations very hard.
        
        If they can force us into mandatory CV19 vaccines, then surely mandatory flu vaccination is just a tiny step further.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:56am
      - Sacha
        
        I can’t see the point of compulsory vax for health workers unless those workers are at risk of contracting the disease.
        We now know that covid can be spread by the vaccinated, so who is being protected?
        As for boosters, we come back to the old problem – that viruses mutate from year to year, and by the time a vaccine has been produced, the virus is already moving on.
        Back in the day, we used to deliberately expose our kids to any virus that was going around, and nurse them through it if they got sick, knowing that they would have resilience against future infection.
        Later we got them vaccinated – but didn’t insist that the rest of the population did so as well.
        
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        November 14, 2021 10:38am
      - oc35
        
        I’m with you there Benedict well stated.
        
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        November 14, 2021 8:07pm
      - Fight4NZ
        
        Once the virus has circulated I don’t see the mandate continuing. It’s just a means of controlling loads on the medical system. At least that’s my assumption.
        Also seems unlikely that annual vaccination would continue very long once it’s endemic.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:11pm
    - rouppe
      
      6 months? Mine’s already expired then…
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:44am
  - alloytoo
    
    The government of the day not putting NZ first is treason. No if when’s or buts
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Then convince the jabbed to treat the non jabbed like filthy lepers
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:01am
- Waipuk
  
  Schooling the unvaccinated
  
  https://youtube.com/shorts/Dg_G86e62SM?feature=share
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That needs 200 upticks because it is true
    
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    November 14, 2021 2:15pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    I’m guessing he is antivaxx? I guess that because he gets confused when he gets to the part where he needs a rudimentary understanding of statistical probability, population transmission and a general understanding that it’s not all about “me”.
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:15pm
- Jim
  
  We have all heard the rather infantile mantra stating “the vaccine is safe and effective” despite common knowledge that no medicine is without risk.
  An interesting issue is been reported in Medsafe’s weekly Safety Reports which is tracking an internationally reported Safety Alert; with similarly increased reports of myocarditis and pericarditis across NZ.
  Medsafe Safety Report #33 offers best data analysis on these medical diagnosis and also states: “Based on hospital discharge data from 2008 – 2019, on average 95 people were diagnosed with myocarditis every year”
  Yet it’s most intriguing that since 17 Aug 21 (when NZ went Level 4 and the ‘risk prioritised’ vaccine rollout accelerated from 55 year olds down to everyone including 12 year olds in the space of about two weeks) the reported myocarditis diagnosis have sharply increased.
  Medsafe report number 25 through to 34 (covering 10 weeks since just after the Level 4 lockdown) has seen reports grow from 32 to now 192 cases. Yes that’s an additional 160 in only 10 weeks!
  
  https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/vaccine-report-overview.asp
  
  Yet the real story here is vaccine induced myocarditis risk in the younger age categories, and with potential for Gov to authorise (or mandate to attend school) vaccination of NZ children between 5-11 years old, perhaps this is something our trusted ‘accredited media’ should thoroughly investigate and report upon.
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:15am
  - mawm
    
    Remember it’s nothing to worry about because it’s “extremely rare” and the vaccine is “safe”.
    
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    November 14, 2021 4:47pm
  - Fight4NZ
    
    So a known side effect is seen in NZ as it has elsewhere. Just like any medication. At 7 in a million with dose 1 and 10 in a million with dose 2, that is “extremely rare”, and has a lead to a serious outcome once only.
    So tell me again what is the real story?
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:34pm
    - Jim
      
      Young healthy children. Perhaps you like to gamble vaccine risk vs benefit with healthy young children, that are frequently reported to have negligible risk of the virus.
      Oh and by Medsafe’s own definition and statistical reporting there have been 1125 SERIOUS reports rendered to date.
      
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      November 15, 2021 6:31pm
- Prince
  
  Sky now filling their sports coverage with Vax promotions.
  “Get the jab and ensure you are protected for the summer.”
  So if getting the jab protects you, what’s the issue with people who decide not to ?
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:23am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yep, the Labour Govt’s getting desperate and can’t see themselves in office too much longer, so they’re doing their Splash the Cash bit before they’re out on their arses.
    Who’re the suckers that have to foot the bill then?
    
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    November 14, 2021 11:59am
    - Fight4NZ
      
      So, logically if you want to stop them spending, stop sitting around whining and get vaccinated.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:36pm
      - Nickc2
        
        What’s getting vaccinated got to do with my post?
        BTW, I am Vax’ed. Double in fact!!
        
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        November 15, 2021 7:23am
- Jim
  
  This farcical full metal jacket c19 death stat doesn’t help:
  https://youtu.be/G4hvErxxOy0
  
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  November 14, 2021 12:22pm
Warren

As the Delta strain of the COVID-19 slowly moves down the Country and increases the infection rates the South Island joins the rebellion against the Government and Jacinda Ardern’s critics in protests.
The day of reckoning is not far away for this Government and the sleaze media they have corrupted with protests being held all round the Country yesterday in the pouring rain, these protests might be small but they will only grow as people wake up to Jacinda’s agenda.
Now normally you would condemn the protests but peoples and Families futures are at stake because of their beliefs and the free speech that we have championed as a Country.
Nobody will win out of this or the division it will cause and all it will achieve is for future generations having no trust anything Government’s do for the betterment of New Zealand.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-pandemics-dark-day-sees-lockdown-protests-and-175-new-cases/5FKZAACBFMZFRNOZ6VTTV24VDI/
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November 14, 2021 8:00am
- MCos
  
  The consequences of the freedom the protesters are agitating for would be the spread of the virus throughout the country faster than the current rate.
  My understanding is if the protesters had had their way we would never have had any restrictions and possibly no vaccines (I’m not sure how much sway the anti-vax rump has on that mob).
  In fact covid-19 may have been removed from the dictionary.
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:38am
  - Don Beckett
    
    My preference when this Covid shamdemic started was to take the same course than Sweden took. Ther are many more deaths caused by Covid response than there are by Covid. We would have been over the problem by now as Sweden is and our economy and livelihoods would not have been wrecked.
    
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    November 14, 2021 11:03am
  - Fletch
    
    Well if, as Sean Hendy says, we have “a small proportion of the population [which is] not vaccinated”, then what does it matter? To add to that, it seems like countries with higher vax rates, like Ireland, have higher numbers of Covid cases.
    
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    November 14, 2021 11:25am
- mawm
  
  This is Premium so I can’t read it but the headline is probably enough – 26774 dreams destroyed, and heartbreak and financial ruin thanks to the path chosen by this government. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/gone-26774-businesses-wiped-off-nz-companies-office-register-in-eight-months/TST3SQDTIQ444TW2NBVUCU2MZ4/
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:54am
2ic

The NZ Herald Covid vaccine banner has, at the time of writing this, New Zealand at 80.4% fully vaccinated. The Ministry of Health’s own data shows us at 80% fully vaccinated:
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#total-vaccinations

However, international vaccine tracking sites all show much lower vaccination rates:

Our World in Data
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
66%

CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2021/health/global-covid-vaccinations/
66%

Covid Vax Live
https://covidvax.live/location/nzl
66.32%

New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html
68%

Is this just a simple lag in the international sites updating their data? Or are the figures we are being given by our government being pumped up to pressure the ‘vaccine hesitant’ to fall into line?
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November 14, 2021 8:00am
- Simon
  
  Total population instead of eligible
  
  Overall NZ is mid table in OECD.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:36am
- krazykiwi
  
  I suspect the national figures use the correct definition of ‘eligible’, where the international numbers are denominated by total population.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:38am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    worldindata states on their site that the percentage is of the whole population.
    
    New Zealand has a somewhat younger population profile than most developed countries, so although the vaccinated percentage for the eligible population is higher than quite a few other OECD countries, our overall rate is lower. For instance, we are above the UK in eligible population, but lower in overall population.
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:46am
- tui47
  
  I believe our total is 80% of eligible population and that the other totals (CNN, NYT etc) are showing percentage of total population?
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Simple answer. The international sites show vaccination as a percentage of the total population. The Herald is tracking progress towards the 90 percent rate of people aged 12 plus.
  
  International comparisons use total population because countries are vaccinating different age groups.
  
  USA aged 5 up
  
  New Zealand and a bunch of countries aged 12 up
  
  Australia and a bunch of countries aged 16 up
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:41am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Oz shows figures for both 16 up and 12 up. You pick which you like.
    
    https://www.covid19data.com.au/
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:23am
- Yvette
  
  2ic
  Of course when 100 percent of those eligible (4.2 million 0f 5 million) are fully vaccinated, it is still 84 percent of New Zealand whole population.
  (and 90 percent of eligibles is 75.6 percent of total 5 million population)
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:53am
- MCos
  
  When all is said and done a new born baby can catch the bug just like anyone else.
  Having said that it’s interesting to note old codgers in NZ have a very high vaccination rate, whereas I read today it’s the opposite in Singapore.
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:47am
- Paulus
  
  Is the total Auckland vaccination % figures base upon the last corresponding census figures or those thought up by the Min of Health to satisfy the required criteria ?
  Why are they so different ?
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:21am
- 2ic
  
  Thanks for the explanation everyone. NZ data showing % of ELIGIBLE population, whereas international tracking sites show % of TOTAL population.
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:47am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Diabetes Day!
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November 14, 2021 8:00am
- krazykiwi
  
  I preferred the music festival (think about it..)
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:29am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    No, you lost me there.
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:55am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Fair enough. A bit obtuse. Diabetes’ sufferers were first identified by having sweet smelling urine – ‘sweet waters’ I believe it was referred to as. And the 1981 festival of the same name featured INXS, much to my joy as a youth.
      
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      November 14, 2021 12:16pm
- Simon
  
  Ever day is diabetes day with the cretins and evil forcing the corona vaxx on everyone.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Not everything is about the coronavirus.
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:55am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Have you ever known someone with complications arising out of diabetes?
  My father lost both legs and his eyesight.
  
  I have mild and well controlled diabetes and that is the way it is going to stay. Other members of the family have not been so fortunate. A 15 yr old grandson has an insulin pump. Another nephew died at 33.
  
  Don’t joke about diabetes. It’s a darn sight more trouble than Covid.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:55am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well I hope you do something positive to contribute to this special day for diabetes. Perhaps promote some action against the human causes of the diabetes epidemic.
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:58am
  - cmm
    
    Indeed, diabetes is a comorbidity for many other conditions – including CV19.
    
    We’d do a hell of a lot better heath wise in NZ if we put all this energy we have for CV19 into obesity and diabetes.
    
    I am well aware that there is a distinction between type 1 and type 2, but over 90% of NZ diabetes is type 2 and mostly linked to obesity and other lifestyle issues.
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:12am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The major lifestyle issues would be diet – the heavily processed, high-sugar, high-fat foods that are the most profitable to promote and sell.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:17am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Over eating among our Polynesian community is not helpful.
        
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        November 14, 2021 3:55pm
      - cmm
        
        mma: Yet again you are hurrying to take away people’s agency. This is extremely destructive.
        
        In your world, low decile people are incapable of thinking for themselves and incapable of moderating what they eat.
        
        This is classic leftie: you want them enslaved so that you can be a hero Bwana.
        
        We keep hearing that brown people have a better connection with nature, so why do they eat crap?
        
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        November 14, 2021 5:01pm
    - ABS4EVA
      
      Some types of Diabetes appear to be Genetic
      but For Christ’s sake to Beat Covid
      YOU MUST improve your BMI
      
      I have been through the longest lock down in the world got heart and diabetes tests etc and passed
      
      I invested in decent home gym gear
      
      I thank my Dog for saving my life my heart is
      good because we run through the hills together
      
      When the weather is crap you MUST EXERCISE
      or DIE
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:26am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I understand Type 2 can be cured by diet if caught early.
      
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      November 14, 2021 12:11pm
  - ABS4EVA
    
    If you do not have Diabetes
    
    I recommend these about $40
    
    https://www.accu-chek.ca/en/diabetes-basics/how-make-sense-blood-sugar-values
    
    I was tested for it and thank christ I do not have it
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:22am
  - Sacha
    
    I agree with you – managing type 1 diabetes is life challenging for all concerned, especially for children who must grow up with testing their blood sugar levels every few hours, and must match their food intake. with blood sugar levels and planned activity.
    I hope you stay well-controlled, Kev O’Brien.
    
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    November 14, 2021 10:46am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Thanks. I will.
      
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      November 14, 2021 3:58pm
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Diabetes is my favourite Greek tragedician, notwithstanding his occasional lapses into excessively saccharine sentimentality.
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:37am
Tony Stuart

Ireland was magnificent. They took the All Blacks on at their own game, and never let them settle. The Guinness will be flowing in Dublin tonight, and justifiably so.

The burning question though; who talked more in the two hours the eighty minute match took, Luke Healey or Justin Marshall?
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November 14, 2021 8:03am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Tony, unfortunately this sort of result should be expected with the coaching group the All Blacks have. Foster has a track record of losing as a head coach, and an inability to get the best out of very good players, as evidenced by his record with the Chiefs. Somehow he has become head coach of the All Blacks. I fear that the All Blacks will become the Chiefs, inconsistent and unable to win the big games (or worse, just making up the numbers). While the defence leaks points constantly as they have been doing, we won’t win when it is really important, read WC.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:15am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Yes the Chiefs were awful under Foster. That point seemed to elude NZ Rugby when they selected the coach.
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:59am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I think Foster was appointed for two years. I don’t know if that has been extended through to the 2023 RWC. Realistically, if there was a moment to appoint Robertson, it has passed. Don’t change the coach now.
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:02am
  - Nickc2
    
    Outclassed, outplayed and out refereed. Is it true the Referee was awarded Player of the Day?
    Foster has to go! What’s Razor doing these days?
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:03am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      With regard to the referee Nick, I go with Todd Blackadder, who years ago after Canterbury had lost a Super final, was asked about the poor referring decisions that cost his side. He responded that “it had nothing to do with the referee, if we’d played better, we would have taken the referee out of the equation”.
      
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      November 14, 2021 11:15am
      - Nickc2
        
        Touche
        
        I also watched the England vs Australia game and have come to the conclusion that the Northern Hemisphere has stuck to their Big Forward Pack mantra but this season, their mainly new pack of big forwards are also very mobile, tackle anything and can score from anywhere. The Aussies tried but didn’t have any answer to England’s Rush Defence.
        
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        November 14, 2021 12:31pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  Great credit to the Irish. They commitment, gameplan and execution was heaps better than ours. The mistake ratio must have been 10:1 against us.
  
  How is it we arent sure who should play in the centres? We are playing a fullback and a wing because we dont have any true midfielders?? We are lacking a couple of immovable props who deliver in the tight. Maybe Brody and Sam are just past their peak?? And am I the only one who thinks TJP is a great scavenger/defender but just too slow on delivery?
  
  The AB’s look poorly coached. Time to try Razor before someone nicks him? Could the old boys club bring themselves to try that?
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:50am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Tom, unfortunately Foster has given away All Black caps to players who haven’t earned their stripes, plus he thinks that he can just change players positions and they will all be OK. Ioane isn’t a centre. Jordie Barrett isn’t one of the best two wingers we have, but he keeps getting games there, and IMHO he’s not as good a fullback as his brother. Perenara is way past his use by date. He always takes a pace to see if he can run before he passes. And with flat defences, your backs have no show as they then get the ball with someone in their face. Perenara should have been put out to grass 3 years ago. Cane is yesterdays man. An honest grafter who makes few mistakes at best (but there are many of those sorts of players around NZ). Lord, Bower, Taukei’aho, de Groot, Lomax, Aumua and Vaa’i have been given free All Black caps for being OK. I might just be getting old, but you used to have to actually be outstanding over a decent period of time (pretty much every player that has become an All Black), or genius (Christian Cullen, Will Jordan) over a short period of time to get into the All Blacks. Where do any of the players I have named fit into that?
    
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    November 14, 2021 11:32am
    - MCos
      
      The problem is guys don’t hang around waiting putting in the years on the domestic front when there’s big bucks to be made offshore.
      You look at the Super competition and the NPC. Even when there was no crowd restrictions the numbers were puny and the salaries are paltry.
      Cricket is lucky because few of our players seem to be attractive to the IPL, which is has its own time slot in the calendar anyway.
      
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      November 14, 2021 1:58pm
    - Mike
      
      Firstly, there are many more All Blacks now than back in the day. There has to be, for the huge number of games a pro player is needed each year.
      Secondly, there have always been second stringers, who in the old days only played the non-test tour matches and very few, if any, tests.
      I reckon that overall we are looking okay for 2023.
      
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      November 14, 2021 2:23pm
- Prince
  
  Time for Perenara to slope off and stand for Labour in Mana.
  And wasn’t Havili a fulback ? Who decided he could slot into midfield ?
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:26am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes on both counts.
    I think there may be trouble in the AB’s camp and getting rid of Perenara may settle things down. AFIK, he never was known for keeping his mouth shut both on and off the field.
    
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    November 14, 2021 12:45pm
    - Mike
      
      Seems to be a fair few haters of Perenara around.
      
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      November 14, 2021 2:24pm
      - Nickc2
        
        No, not haters, just those who think he’s past his use-by date for international test matches.
        
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        November 14, 2021 3:03pm
      - MCos
        
        TJ Perenara is only 29 & to my mind is still the second best behind Aaron Smith who is three years older.
        Also in the squad is Brad Weber (30 & 16 caps) and Findlay Christie (26 & 5 caps) who was in the reserves and never going to start.
        
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        November 14, 2021 4:36pm
      - Mike
        
        Then why the reference to off-field comments?
        
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        November 14, 2021 5:04pm
Tony Stuart

The other burning question of the day; who knew Taupo had a strip club?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-four-confirmed-covid-19-cases-in-taupo-ministry-of-health/RQX4X25R2XLMQ62QJWB7HJW7OQ/
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November 14, 2021 8:05am
- Rich Prick
  
  I had no idea, but the night out is instructive: gas station, pub, strippers, pub, strippers, pub …
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:10am
  - alex Masterley
    
    It’s that “…pub, strippers, pub…” bit that cause the problem. Bourbons followed by beers followed by bourbons…
    
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    November 14, 2021 10:25am
- CJames
  
  I live here and I never knew about it. But then I can’t say I have been down Pub Street for months. Just shows I lead too sheltered a life.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:16am
  - lifesgood
    
    Last time I was there I saw a hooker quite obviously looking for clients in the main Street in the middle of the day. I was a bit surprised.
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:32am
    - Nickc2
      
      The Southern end of the lake’s not known as the Tail Race for nothing.
      
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      November 14, 2021 10:13am
- alex Masterley
  
  I did. It is crap.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What an exciting life you lead.
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:54am
  - CJames
    
    I will take your word for it Alex. Not that it was ever on a visit schedule for me. Though I suspect that there may be a number of people who will be having awkward conversations with their partners or bosses about the need for isolations or how they got infected with the Wuflu.
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:00am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      “It was the petrol station, honest!”
      
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      November 14, 2021 3:59pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Who owns and manages this club?
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:05am
- cmm
  
  Ok, who would pay to see Taupoians take their clothes off?
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:57am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    alex Masterley, apparently.
    
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    November 14, 2021 11:10am
  - RightNow
    
    Do we uptick for Yes, downtick for No?
    
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    November 14, 2021 11:18am
I remember when

Did anyone else get confused by the MOH methodology with the Stratford covid positives.
They weren’t in one day’s figures.
Then didn’t seem to be in the next day’s totals.
However, as they were continually referred to, I presume they were in there somewhere.
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November 14, 2021 8:11am
Benedict Yu

I have commented here that few people really understand how the vaccines work and how they degrade. This is a good example. An accommodation provider is contemplating charging unvaccinated people extra to pay for the “deep cleaning” of the room after they leave.

“… [she] was still working out what might happen if unvaccinated Aucklanders were allowed out of the supercity, including if she would need to charge extra for deep-cleaning after they stayed.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126972418/covid19-will-aucklanders-be-welcomed-with-open-arms-when-they-can-travel

That is definitive proof that she thinks she will never host infected vaccinated folk.

Now for 6 months post vaccination, it is LESS LIKELY that a vaccinated person will be infected, but some eventually will be infected and will stay at her hotel.
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November 14, 2021 8:17am
- Rich Prick
  
  Thankfully her retarded thinking is limited to just “unvaccinated Aucklanders”. I blame the media for this crap.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:21am
  - Jim
    
    Yep disingenuous politicians and shill media promoting the miracle vaccine without discussing its absolute efficacy and then the widely reported waning properties. If the vaccine was actually so effective it stands to reason there would be negligible risk to releasing (un tested) Aucklanders on the wider population.
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:29am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Somebody said it here.
    
    It is easier to con someone than convince them that they have been conned,
    
    Some people will rightly be very upset when they eventually realize that they have been conned.
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Most New Zealanders have been conned by just one person…..
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:28am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, it is madness. In hundreds of millions of SARS-CoV-2 infections there have been ZERO attributed to fomite transmission. Bloomfield knows this perfectly well. Where is the guidance on this, and the utter waste off endless deep cleaning?
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:24am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    My favourite was an infected truck driver in Christchurch who drove into a giant logistics terminal in Christchurch. The entire facility was closed for three days for “deep cleaning”. I know the place. It is huge. It must have taken 20 cleaners in PPE three days and cost maybe $30,000. ???????
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:46am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Lol. Send the bill to Bloomfield:)
      
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      November 14, 2021 8:53am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Lots of people don’t understand much. There is still an entire industry charging thousands of dollars to ‘decontaminate’ houses where methamphetamine might have been used.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:04am
      - RightNow
        
        Well, there was until the thresholds were raised.
        Now they’ve pivoted to deep cleaning covid hotspots
        
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        November 14, 2021 11:21am
- mawm
  
  What are your references for “less likely”? It is not a sterilising vaccine.
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:01am
  - CSadler
    
    That is a very good question that challenges our current divisive path. Might be a good time to be excluded from gatherings.
    
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    November 14, 2021 10:52am
- CSadler
  
  Haven’t seen any data to support your “less likely” statement. Tales from Europe suggest equally likely – and all good experiments need a control group.
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:50am
artemisia

Like to see the government’s projections based on Farr’s Law (epidemics bell curve). Separate ones for cases and hospitalisations.

Nice job for an epidemiologist or statistician with time on their hands while education is pretty much closed.
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November 14, 2021 8:18am
Man Among the Ruins

I think that this has been mentioned here already, but I was astounded to see with my own eyes an admission on national TV that simply having Covid while actually dying of anything else whatsoever (including homicide) meets the criteria for inclusion as an official Covid death. Mind boggling really:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8whdNLdf88
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November 14, 2021 8:18am
- Scooter
  
  And yet dying shortly after or adverse effects after being vaccinated is being “investigated”
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He died from lead poisoning
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:33am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    A gunshot wound is certainly at the serious end of the comorbidities scale.
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:43am
- cmm
  
  Yup, it is ridiculous.
  Well over 90% of men dying in NZ would show elevated PSA scores. If we counted prostate cancer deaths the way we count CV19 deaths then there woulf be about 15000 prostate cancer deaths in NZ each year.
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:03am
  - mawm
    
    I’m not sure you are right about the 90% – but many men die with prostate cancer, not from it.
    
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    November 14, 2021 4:58pm
Mr_Blobby

Welcome to another day of lockdown tyranny.

The problem that jacinda and her government has is to keep the truth from the plebs.

They rightly fear the mob, who would tear them apart if they realized how ineptly they had handled this whole flu like virus situation.

Used the situation to push their socialist agenda.

Promised the illusion of safety in return for power at the cost of privacy and freedom.

Wasted billions of dollars we did not have, creatng a social and economic crisis, that will be felt for generations.

The great vaccination, if you can even call it a vaccine, coverup, why would you ban antibody tests for covid, until you can vaccinate the entire population. If the natural antibodies are better than the vaccine.

What happens next year when the new super cold that is ravaging the UK arrives here, or the next hotter more infectious covid mutation arrives and we have no natural protection, just ongoing short lived booster shots or pills.

So many questions, so few answers from our one source of truth.
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November 14, 2021 8:20am
- Rich Prick
  
  A few statistics never mentioned by the Great Ones, small business failures and suicides. Both should shock.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:41am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Family violence and mental health, crime burglaries etc
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:49am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    From the Bay of Plenty Times; 26,774 businesses have been wiped off the Companies Office Register in the last eight months:
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/gone-26774-businesses-wiped-off-nz-companies-office-register-in-eight-months/TST3SQDTIQ444TW2NBVUCU2MZ4/?fbclid=IwAR2BLO1F_Cl3sQ07aP_XpRJahQxSdbzj7tQIwGeXKGE7u28JoiV1yOM8qIU
    
    It’s a very sobering read indeed, and casts a very different picture to the one Grant Robertson is seeing through his red-tinted spectacles.
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:53am
    - David Garrett
      
      Tony S: God knows I am no fan of Robertson or the band of cretins he is a part of, but that stat could be very misleading, and is pretty meaningless unless there are comparisons with other years (I refuse to pay the Horrid anything, so can’t read the story; it may have comparisons?)
      
      The Companies Office is now very diligent in removing defunct companies from the register. That normally occurs when a company fails to file its Annual Return after two reminders. Companies may become defunct, and thus liable to removal, for many reasons other than because a business has failed.
      
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      November 14, 2021 10:12am
      - alex Masterley
        
        David,
        One of my colleagues is in the liquidation and receivership business.
        He is very busy. I think leaving aside companies being removed from the register there is a surge in liquidations due to companies simply running out of money and support from their banks. Especially small retail and hospitality.
        
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        November 14, 2021 10:23am
  - Flossie
    
    Just plain old stress and anxiety for me.
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:27am
- krazykiwi
  
  Antibody testing can distinguish between S-protein antibodies generated in response to vaccination and N-antibodies generated in response to a natural infection prior to vaccination. This testing has been done across the UK population for months. The results appear to show high levels of narrow spectrum protection to the spike protein in the wild/alpha virus, but low N-antibody levels across the highly vaxxed populations. Result? Major problem if/when the spike protein mutates.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:47am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    So when it does hit, it will hit hard, very hard.
    
    The government will know this, and again doing nothing to mitigate it.
    
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    November 14, 2021 8:53am
- Benedict Yu
  
  And in the background, the government is going flat out to do bad things. Three waters, the ‘new’ RMA, repealing three strikes and probably a hundred things we don’t know about. Terrify the population with COVID so they can’t focus on real things.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:49am
  - Inandout
    
    BY, I heard a Taxpayers Union ad on ZB this morning urging people to join the fight against 3 Waters; excellent. And of amusement was yet another covid ad urging people to get the jab, followed immediately by an ad for a funeral director. OK I admit my sense of humour is of the Spike Milligan type.
    
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    November 14, 2021 10:27am
- Nickc2
  
  Do you ever think this Govt is treating us like Mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed on shit)?
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘The Govt is the only true source of truth’ or something. JA
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:39am
- Don Beckett
  
  Interesting snippet from Tony Heller – no theories or conspiracies, just factual anecdote.
  https://realclimatescience.com/2021/11/vaccine-disinformation-is-deadly/
  
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  November 14, 2021 12:00pm
KevO'Brien

Off to school to work in the morning? Watch out the Police may be called:
https://www.wnd.com/2021/11/new-zealand-tells-schools-phone-police-unvaccinated-staff-show/
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November 14, 2021 8:43am
- Benedict Yu
  
  ““If you feel your safety or the safety of akonga (pupils or students) or other staff is compromised, you could consider contacting the police.””
  
  FFS. Dystopia in New Zealand. And who the hell would know what “akonga” means?
  
  The Ministry should be focusing on the disastrous decline in education achievement. Not this rubbish.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:53am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Put your Brown Shirt on, sniff out your neighbours, call the authorities. Do we really want to become this?
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:17am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Yes. Gone from ‘they are us’ to ‘this is you’ or ewe if thinking if the sheeple.
      
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      November 14, 2021 9:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Germany 1930s
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:42am
  - David Garrett
    
    Benedict: What, you didn’t know that the pre-European Maori had schools and institutes of higher learning all over the country, and that they were ruthlessly closed down by the honkey? Shame on you Sir!
    
    But you are an immigrant to Outer-roa I think, so perhaps that explains it.
    
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    November 14, 2021 10:15am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Negative covid test every 7 days.
  
  In reality the only real protection.
  
  My 7 year old niece in the UK does daily saliva self tests at home every morning, before school.
  
  Where are ours?
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:56am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    What a waste of time. Covid is an irrelevance for kids, that are orders of magnitude more likely to die of other things
    
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    November 14, 2021 12:19pm
- Yvette
  
  Can an unvaccinated police officer arrest an unvaccinated schoolteacher?
  And if it goes to Court, is a defence that it is unlawful arrest, as the police officer is endangering children as much as the teacher might?
  
  Police say they are assessing which staff have to be vaccinated under a new government mandate.
  Affected police officers will have to have one dose by the end of this month and be fully vaccinated by 14 January to continue in their jobs.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/455569/police-assessing-roles-covered-by-covid-19-vaccine-mandate
  
  No wonder 100,000 houses were never built.
  And is this evidence that such thinking, by a bunch of wallies, would in any way change, although the issues now can be “a matter of life or death” (–Ardern, several times)
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:27am
Bridgenag

Socialist Motto
We’ve got what it takes to take what you’ve got.
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November 14, 2021 8:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  First they came for your guns …….
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:45am
- Paulus
  
  The voting majority gave her an overall vote so suck it up !
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yet to find someone who will admit to that now. Very scarce.
    
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    November 14, 2021 2:37pm
youami

COVID spike protein localised in cell nucleii and prohibits DNA repair mechanisms in vitro, probable mutagenic effect – https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056

Do I still have to get this BS jab? Direct contradiction of MOH advice that the “vaccine” doesn’t affect your genes.
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November 14, 2021 8:44am
- kevn
  
  @youami… Trust in any MOH utterances is long gone.
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:33am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, this study piqued my interest a couple of weeks ago. Note that study was in vitro rather than in vivo, but still significant.
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:46am
- Fletch
  
  “Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines”
  
  Says it all really…
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I don’t see how it complies with the Medicines Act.
  
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  November 14, 2021 4:05pm
Leofric

There is nothing new under the sun, I thought as I sat reading G.K. Chesterton last night and encountered this:

“But those who criticise [Western] civilisation (which is always their own civilisation) have a curious habit of not merely doing their legitimate duty in condemning its crimes, but of going out of their way to idealise its victims. They always assume that before the advent of Europe there was nothing anywhere but Eden. And Swinburne, in that spirited chorus of the nations in “ Songs before Sunrise,” used an expression about Spain in her South American conquests which always struck me as very strange. He said something about “her sins and sons through sinless lands dispersed,” and how they “made accursed the name of man and thrice accursed the name of God.” It may be reasonable enough that he should say the Spaniards were sinful, but why in the world should he say that the South Americans were sinless? Why should he have supposed that continent to be exclusively populated by archangels or saints perfect in heaven? It would be a strong thing to say of the most respectable neighbourhood; but when we come to think of what we really do know of that society the remark is rather funny. We know that the sinless priests of this sinless people worshipped sinless gods, who accepted as the nectar and ambrosia of their sunny paradise nothing but incessant human sacrifice accompanied by horrible torments.”
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November 14, 2021 8:45am
PaulDunmore

American pharmaceutical giant Johnson & Johnson is to break itself into two. Apparently one company will be called Johnson, and the other will be called Johnson.
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November 14, 2021 8:46am
- Nickc2
  
  That’s so they can’t be sued collectively.
  
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  November 14, 2021 9:22am
Master Mariner

Good article but misses out the Human element of Seafarers and severe restrictions placed upon them.

Yes it is “Central Planning” issue rather than a Supply Chain Issues.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2021/10/24/theres-no-supply-chain-shortage-or-inflation-theres-just-central-planning/?sh=25d5c48a1479

“The “original sin” was the American Rescue Plan, which provided too much support through funds disbursed directly to US households.”

This holds true for every developed nation, The “Great cash splash” which resulted in Millions either locked up and / or unable to work , Sit at home on their computer. Easy to see why the Likes of Amazon, E bay etc have done record turnover.

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/113186/james-k-galbraith-attributes-supply-chain-problem-us-system-was-built-efficiency
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November 14, 2021 8:51am
AndyW

Pensioners terrorized by gang member Kainga Ora neighbours.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/death-threats-and-abuse-whangarei-pensioners-terrorised-by-gang-member-kainga-ora-neighbours/GWKOAQUCMNJGAVONUG4Y5N2DDY/
This violence needs to stop. We can move the ferals next door to Kainga Ora executives, or, if the ferals are Maori, we place them in their local marae.
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November 14, 2021 8:54am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The government has directed Kàinga Ora to not evict tenants. No tenants.
  
  Fun fact. Those on benefits pay 25 percent of their benefit as rent. But the Government does not deduct the 25 percent from their benefit. Because it would insult their dignity. Or something.
  
  So tenants need to arrange a bank payment. This is where it gets interesting.
  
  Under the last government if tenants stopped paying the rent they were evicted. But not now. So a significant number have stopped paying rent. There are tenants with tens of thousands of dollars in debt.
  
  And it gets even funnier ?. Eventually they are persuaded to start paying the rent. And they agree to pay off the debt at 5 dollars per week. And then money gets tight and they stop paying the rent again. ????
  
  I constantly remind myself that this is just the craziness in government that I know about. ?
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Place them in Antarctica. They have been there before so there should not be a problem //
  
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  November 14, 2021 2:41pm
KevO'Brien

James Delingpole socks it to those who would turf unvaccinated workers out of nursing homes (way stations to the morgue.)
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/11/12/delingpole-what-colour-poppy-for-sacked-care-home-workers/
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November 14, 2021 9:00am
Yvette

“You might have misunderstood” Little confirms November 29 is not ‘Freedom Day’ [1]

The traffic light system announced by Jacinda Ardern last month set out a future without alert level lockdowns, but only once 90 percent vaccination rates were met.
The new framework means greater freedoms for those who are vaccinated.
On Monday she gave a clear signal that Cabinet on November 29 would be aiming to move Auckland straight into the Covid protection framework, providing all three of the city’s district health boards were either at or near 90 percent fully vaccinated. [2]

Besides giving the impression Little and Ardern are “not on the same page” (sorry, bloody awful woke expression), is Little actually initiating to New Zealand’s context, a phrase – Freedom Day – which is itself mis-information, or just a fucking lie (not so sorry, a woken-up expression: like, awake to what the buggers are doing)?

In some parts of regional New Zealand, the unvaccinated are for the most part enjoying everyday freedoms and have little incentive to get jabbed – especially if they have no knowledge the traffic light system is even being introduced.

Ardern accepts the traffic light system, and its greater freedoms intentionally targeted at the vaccinated, provides a bit more incentive to get jabbed than Level 2 currently does. [2]

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/coronavirus-health-minister-andrew-little-confirms-november-29-is-not-freedom-day.html
[2] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cabinet-weighing-up-early-move-into-traffic-light-system
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November 14, 2021 9:01am
K

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-vaccine-mandates-cause-harm-and-division-public-health-expert-claims/OXW3B6IFZSJ5J46GEU6WF7TBGE/

Below is my satirical take on this article, very few words changed. Question for the Herald – what level of rights is it ok to take away from unvaccinated people before your editorial stance stops implicitly supporting the policy?

“A public health expert is warning about the potential pitfalls of interment camps as the final date New Zealand residents to receive their first Pfizer jab looms.

While a majority of experts are in strong support of interment camps as a tool to protect vaccinated Kiwis against infection, and to reduce transmission, one public health expert has claimed they have already caused “substantial harm and division in our country”.

But University of Auckland Professor and Covid-19 modelling expert Shaun Hendy said only a small proportion of the population was not vaccinated.
“We do know that the large majority of adults have had at least one dose if not two, so it is a relatively small proportion of the population, and of course, moving the unvaccinated to interment camps will help to solve the accommodation crisis by freeing up living space for the vaccinated.”

The latest Ministry of Health figures show 90 per cent of New Zealand’s eligible population has received one dose, and 80 per cent are fully vaccinated.

Hendy acknowledged there could be potential issues with unvaccinated people refusing to be taken to the camps but said it was common for citizens to be expected to adhere to safety measures.
“There are all sorts of requirements for safety that we put on people. If you’re in a car you might need to wear a seatbelt….we also ask people not to light fireworks inside public buildings because that puts other people at risk.
“I don’t think this is any different.”

The ministry of health says the interment camps are a “vital measure” for reducing infection and transmission, and “complete protection from the unvaccinated is critical to the country’s successful management of Covid-19”.”
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November 14, 2021 9:03am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I do hope you mean internment camps, not interment camps.
  
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  November 14, 2021 4:08pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  First, prove that the “vaccinated” cannot pass on the virus to others and none are in the super spreader category.
  The news from overseas is that medical people are really concerned that the vaccine has done the dirty on them.
  The real situation may be that those not presently vaccinated are now the more protected group. There are too many responsible reports to ignore the implications.
  
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  November 14, 2021 4:12pm
Yvette

Ardern says the priority in the first quarter of next year is allowing those double-vaccinated Kiwis overseas who can self-isolate at home to return to New Zealand shores.

Self-isolation is already being used by more than 1200 Covid positive cases in Auckland as the Government transitions away from putting all domestic cases and close contacts into managed isolation and quarantine.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cabinet-weighing-up-early-move-into-traffic-light-system

What seems crucial above is whether “Self-isolation is already being used by more than 1200 Covid positive cases in Auckland” or is it “Self-isolation has already been used by more than 1200 Covid positive cases in Auckland”
Should daily figures given in media not include this information – those currently isolating at home (and presumably isolating because they are infectious)

The number of new cases yesterday was Auckland: 159.
But where are those – 181, 152, 131, 117 and 182; so a total of 763 positive cases [1] – for the five days preceding yesterday?

[1] https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-news-and-media-updates
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November 14, 2021 9:04am
JimBobJoe

Vigilante action draws ever closer methinks…. Thugs terrorising retires and Housing NZ won’t evict their tenant who does the terrorising with help from her family who have gang connections ir are in gangs.

If these was your parents being subjected to constant harassment in this situation would you take the law into your own hands? I suspect many are reaching the point where they will as Housing NZ and the Police seem incapable of dealing with a growing problem…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/death-threats-and-abuse-whangarei-pensioners-terrorised-by-gang-member-kainga-ora-neighbours/GWKOAQUCMNJGAVONUG4Y5N2DDY/
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November 14, 2021 9:11am
ABS4EVA

The Vaccine Mandate is Working So Well

SO SO Well
Thank you Pfizer
Thank you Labour Party

It looks like the most Vaccinated Populations
have the MOST COVID

But that like the long term side effects
is a blip

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/waterford-city-district-has-state-s-highest-rate-of-covid-19-infections-1.4707344

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/covid-surges-in-one-of-world-s-most-vaccinated-nat

Waterford city district has State’s highest rate of Covid-19 infections
County also has highest rate of vaccination take-up in the Republic

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-09-09/covid-19-israel-vaccination-high-case-rates-lessons-australia/100442304

Thank you

THANK YOU
THANK YOU

For the Gift that keeps on Giving
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November 14, 2021 9:13am
Truman lodge

Getting the Jab and fearing the unvaccinated has become cult like in it’s portrayal. While I’m vaccinated and encourage others to do the same I’m sick of the media and political BS that goes with it.

That aside at least it’s a real and proper cause. Unlike Masks!!! Bloomfield and Co completely backflipped on masks and that’s why people are confused and suspicious. Wearing masks outside of the legal requirements has become cult like. It’s become a quasi religion a statement of what team you are on (jacinda). It’s become a form of submission and it’s more about compliance signalling rather than science and medicine.
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November 14, 2021 9:17am
- Inandout
  
  Tru, now that Make Adern Go Away masks have become available then we shall begin to see all sorts of printed messages. Masks may well become the modern day message board and then perhaps we shall see Jacinda quietly doing away with them. Now where before have I heard that saying ‘unintended consequences’?
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:10am
  - dave_c_
    
    Indeed – Who sells the hats adorned with ‘MAGA’ – I’d buy one tomorrow if I knew
    
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    November 14, 2021 1:59pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I have about 7. They were all free, just pay shipping from the US. Yer they are Trump hats, but the MAGA also means make ardern go away. Trademe.
      https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/clothing-fashion/men/accessories/hats-caps/listing/3343888755?bof=JZOqgfJA
      
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      November 14, 2021 2:48pm
      - Mike
        
        Make Aotearoa Great Again
        
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        November 14, 2021 5:08pm
    - Twinkletoes
      
      Try the BFD.
      
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      November 14, 2021 4:36pm
Jack5

Labour and Green Party lobbyists are playing hell with New Zealand’s democracy, a fine column by Bryce Edwards indicates.

This is an excellent expose by Edwards.

New Zealand a squeaky clean leader in least corrupt countries? Mmm.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bryce-edwards-the-government-lobbying-revolving-door-just-keeps-on-turning/OK2TRISU6A2LAURUIC2KQKXX2Q/
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November 14, 2021 9:30am
lifesgood

I still can’t get my head around the fact that so many of the fully vaccinated are terrified of the unvaccinated. I thought vaccinations somewhat protected you. What am I missing here?
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November 14, 2021 9:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fear porn propaganda used for control
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:50am
- kevn
  
  @lifes… add masks, 2 m distancing.
  What a crock.
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:52am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I’m not terrified that they’ll give me covid. They might, but it’s not likely to inconvenience me.
  
  I have been concerned that they’ll take up healthcare resources that are needed by others. Yes, I think exactly the same of smokers, heavy drinkers and the obese. Where there is a publicly funded health system, there is a legitimate public interest in individuals’ health choices.
  
  Having said which, this may not be so much of a problem in view of the Government’s apparent new policy of letting covid sufferers die on their own at home. Fine; then bring it on
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:59am
  - Taieri
    
    Where there is a publicly funded health system, there is a legitimate public interest in individuals’ health choices
    ———————
    
    The”public” consists of individuals, the vast majority of whom pay taxes to fund a health system. Do you really propose that each potential client of the public health system be examined in detail with regard to his/her/undecided lifestyle choices? Who would set the criteria for such examination? On what basis? And last but not least, how would already inefficient system handle all this?
    
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    November 14, 2021 12:34pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Certainly not. Such an intrusive, individualized approach wouldn’t be justified by any cost-benefit assessment. However, I do think it’s entirely legitimate for Government to advise and encourage the population in general to do some exercise, not take up smoking, not drink too much, get vaccinated against measles, polio, covid, flu, eat fresh fruit and vegetables etc
      
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      November 14, 2021 2:59pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        If the government was prepared to provide cheap and effective anti-virals, then the hospitalisation rate would plummet. But they refuse to, even claim such treatments are “dangerous”.
        
        You get diagnosed with Covid in NZ and aren’t in immediate need of hospital treatment then you are sent off with a packet of Panadol (and charged for that) and if you get really sick, they may consent to treat you in hospital. Sounds a lot like criminal neglect to me.
        
        I see that Uttar Pradesh in India is still claiming that they have absolute minimum levels of Covid state wide, unlike some neighbouring states like Kerala. Kerala you see is focussed on vaccination, and has thousands of cases and many hospitalised. UP has around 5% vaccinated, and cases in the 10s to 100’s in a population of 240M.
        
        Wonder what their secret is ?
        
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        November 14, 2021 10:47pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That’s not responsible medical care.
    
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    November 14, 2021 4:14pm
- Scooter
  
  It’s the Us and Them mentality. I think people basically don’t like or feel uncomfortable around people who sit outside mainstream views, whether it’s because they genuinely believe they are at risk or just wish the had they didn’t need to conform to getting the vacc.
  
  (The human mind has a tendency to categorize people into social groups. And often these social groups can create an “Us vs. Them” mentality toward people who may be different than us in some way, whether it’s race, gender, age, nationality, culture, religion, or socioeconomic status..
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:52am
- Jim
  
  You’re missing nothing…..but simply demonstrating a fine tuned ability to smell the propaganda BS
  
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  November 14, 2021 12:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Don’t be fooled by a name.
“Black lives Matter” has nothing to do with black lives.
“Planned Parenthood” has nothing to do with parenthood.
The “Democrat Party” has nothing to do with democracy.
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November 14, 2021 9:49am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Workers Pardy
  
  Labour government. Double whammy there!
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:08am
- mawm
  
  And neither does “Freedom Day” have anything to do with freedom. It is the portal of entry to servitude and slavery (thanks Eric Clapton and up yours Robert Cray).
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:09am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The Greens Party ditto. I mean, I’ve never seen James Shaw advocating broccoli.
  
  Although I heard that he’s personally leading an on-site working group into Brussels sprouts.
  
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  November 14, 2021 4:12pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Maybe he supports the Irish ?
    
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    November 14, 2021 10:48pm
Zorba

Can someone explain why essential workers are being sacked for mot getting vaxxed, but teachers must be vaxxed and are forced to teach unvaxxed teenagers who are deemed to be safe by the moh. Also why teachers arnt allowed to kmow which students are vaxxed/unvaxxed or which have tested positive.
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November 14, 2021 9:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

People try to live within their income so they can pay Taxes to a Govt that can’t live within it’s income
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November 14, 2021 9:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Teen punks messed with the wrong grandpa. Don’t mess with Vets, they have been through more shit than you will ever know.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/vietnam-vet-attacked-outside-va-clinic-fights-back-against-teens/?
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November 14, 2021 10:12am
nathie

APEC (Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation) ….

Normally the likes of APEC gets some media coverage (can range from “limited” to “alot more” if for example it is held in NZ like it was back in 1999 etc).

Looking back at the 1999 event for example it covered expanding business opportunities, trade and investment, food supply and security, the WTO, economic and technical cooperation etc.
https://www.apec.org/Meeting-Papers/Annual-Ministerial-Meetings/1999/1999_amm

This year (last week) it was hosted by NZ again (albeit online) and PM Ardern, who disappeared from NZ politics for a few days again (when there was lots of bad covid news), pops up out of no-where and fully scripted for the MSM to report positively on her (I say that because they didn’t seem to report on anything else related to APEC)!

So what was Ardern promoting? Trade and enterprise perhaps? Economic reforms perhaps?

Well I’d imagine these sorts of topics were brought up by officials at APEC but if we turn to the APEC Leaders’ Declaration … it’s mainly about Covid, Sustainability (“climate change”) and Inclusion (women’s and indigenous rights).
https://www.apec.org/meeting-papers/leaders-declarations/2021/2021-leaders-declaration

This seems rather “dumbed down” to me.

I do hope it wasn’t NZ Aotearoa that came up with this apparent dumbed down declaration? Mind you nothing surprises me anymore with our “dumbed down” Govt!

Oh, one other thing, I thought I heard TV news last night saying that NZ sent “capes” (?) to overseas leaders so they can wear them (over their suits) when on Zoom (for that unified look etc). I thought surely when we have covid and massive supply chain disruptions, you have got to be kidding that Labour prioritised the exports of flippin’ capes to all around the globe. Not only did that contribute to aircraft emissions, they would be a “one-off” and discarded in the waste heap afterwards.

Mind you I suppose we should be grateful that Jimmy Shaw didn’t offer to fly around the globe and personally drop them off to various countries, so he could collect more air-miles points and force Air NZ to plant some more pine trees to offset his “VIP” emissions?!!
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November 14, 2021 10:15am
Clownworld

Speaking of other idiocracies…

2020 Essential unvaccinated workers are heros
Put themselves and families at risk
Sacrifice health and or isolated from families.

2021 The same essential unvaccinated workers are fired regardless of heroic past actions
Vaccinated essential workers keep jobs however now will have to still wear ineffectual masks , antisocial distance and treat their unvaccinated coworkers with hate and disdain for not playing the game

2021 Pacifika propaganda advert obese young man thinks he is safe because he got jabbed. He now is a hero?
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November 14, 2021 10:16am
- mawm
  
  I wonder how many of these essential workers have natural antibodies to covid now – but they are not allowed to be tested just in case they do, and have a good reason never to get jabbed.
  
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  November 14, 2021 5:20pm
oldfella

Some genuine political cartoons for those interested in the US. Enjoy. 🙂
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/11/the-week-in-pictures-inflated-edition.php
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November 14, 2021 10:17am
Truman lodge

I’m still convinced Xmas won’t happen for Aucklanders. I believe they never had any intention of letting us out.

What’s weird is covid is spreading around the North Island but no lockdown? I think bars etc will open Dec 1st and we will have a normal life in Auckland with gyms etc.. But inside our prison city and no Xmas. Despite being told the way to end lockdowns is to get vaccinated.
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November 14, 2021 10:18am
- I remember when
  
  As the virus appears to be slowly advancing down the North Island we think of our phenomenal luck.
  We will have already had over three months of pretend covid outbreak lockdown.
  Much of the population is really thankful for that.
  
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  November 14, 2021 12:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Remember that under socialism we all get to be equally miserable. That includes those south of the Bombays
    
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    November 14, 2021 2:55pm
Maggie Pie

POT. KETTLE. BL**K.

‘Phil Goff unleashes on Protestors….calling them CRASS & STUPID”
– nzh

My partner’s mum txt this link :

https://w3vietnam.org.nz/story_12.htm

(scroll down)
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November 14, 2021 10:22am
- mikenmildagain
  
  While it’s common knowledge that Helen Clark and Phil Goff protested against the Vietnam War, there doesn’t appear to be any evidence of nasty behaviour on their part. That unsubstantiated allegation has been linked on Kiwiblog many times before, BTW. It appears to be a classic Cameron Slater smear.
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner’s dad fought in Vietnam (69-72)
    
    You a return soldier or a military man by any chance, milkey?
    
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    November 14, 2021 1:14pm
    - Mike
      
      How would my experience make any difference to whether people endorse Slater’s scummy brand of paid for smears?
      
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      November 14, 2021 2:30pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        HEY, how come you responded under a different name?
        
        So as you can give yourself an ‘uptick’??
        LOL
        
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        November 14, 2021 3:37pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Internet has been scrubbed of that information, that is why it is now dismissed by leftist sycophants.
    Many things are covered up by the left by cache cleaning, try the Labour camp at Waihi – nothing
    
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    November 14, 2021 2:59pm
  - lifesgood
    
    It is well documented that a long haired Goff spat on returning soldiers. I would call that nasty behaviour, wouldn’t you milky/mike?
    
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    November 14, 2021 4:25pm
    - Mike
      
      It’s not documented at all.
      
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      November 14, 2021 5:11pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Ask those who were there. We have to accept Maori verbal history, don’t we? Some Maoris are even PhDs in the art thereof.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:17pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    I guess Slater should have accused them of colluding with the Russians, that would have got you behind his story.
    
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    November 14, 2021 10:51pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Crass and stupid seems a perfect description of the Government’s current Covid regime.
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:47am
- mawm
  
  Good one! These communists are all hypocrites.
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:14am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, that man is the epitome of forked tongue socialist foulness.
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:16am
- Nickc2
  
  My sentiments exactly!
  Ah, but it’s different when the left says or does it!
  Fucking Hypocrite!!!
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:38am
mikenmildagain

Ex-Prez unloads on his former VP:

Interviewer: “Were you worried about him during that siege? Were you worried about his safety?”
Trump: “No, I thought he was well-protected, and I had heard that he was in good shape. No. Because I had heard he was in very good shape. But, but, no, I think — ”
Interviewer: “Because you heard those chants — that was terrible. I mean — ”
Trump: “He could have — well, the people were very angry.”
Interviewer: “They were saying ‘hang Mike Pence.'”
Trump: “Because it’s common sense, Jon. It’s common sense that you’re supposed to protect. How can you — if you know a vote is fraudulent, right? — how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress? How can you do that? And I’m telling you: 50/50, it’s right down the middle for the top constitutional scholars when I speak to them. Anybody I spoke to — almost all of them at least pretty much agree, and some very much agree with me — because he’s passing on a vote that he knows is fraudulent. How can you pass a vote that you know is fraudulent? Now, when I spoke to him, I really talked about all of the fraudulent things that happened during the election. I didn’t talk about the main point, which is the legislatures did not approve — five states. The legislatures did not approve all of those changes that made the difference between a very easy win for me in the states, or a loss that was very close, because the losses were all very close.”

Wild.
https://www.axios.com/trump-hang-mike-pence-january-6-audio-4f147245-becf-4766-ac60-7acece6862be.html
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November 14, 2021 10:23am
Nickc2

If you wish to view this Covid debacle from a different perspective, have a read of this.

https://thebuzz.nz/how-the-pandemic-was-predicted-in-2010-and-what-could-happen-in-2022/

Scary huh?
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November 14, 2021 10:25am
Alan Wilkinson

I am so over government by health bureaucrat.
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November 14, 2021 10:37am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Which bureaucrat would you prefer:
  Education bureaucrat?
  MSD bureaucrat?
  Foreign affairs bureaucrat?
  Police bureaucrat?
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:47am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    None that interfere in my life while claiming it’s for my own good.
    
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    November 14, 2021 1:27pm
    - Mike
      
      You will just get upset if someone lists all the bureaucrats who could ‘interfere’ in your life.
      
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      November 14, 2021 2:33pm
CSadler

I am alarmed at the lack of logical thinking and failure to recognise the holes in our data/ information. My logic for what it is worth:

1. The available “vaccines” do not seem to provide protection from catching the disease.

2. Nor does it affect their viral load during the infectious period.

3. There is evidence that those who are vaccinated need less hospital care.

So any mandates to be vaccinated can only be on the basis of reduction in current health care costs. You cannot argue that it is in the interests of protection as this is demonstrably not true.

I suspect the above will be true in the short term. But (and there appears to be a but):

1. The vaccine does not handle variants well current and future.

2. Innate immunity does – perhaps for a lifetime but certainly longer than 6 months.

Hence the unvaccinated who have caught COVID may be a lower cost to the health system long term.

We should be testing more, possibly daily if we are still trying to eliminate which seems to be the case . If we are serious about elimination the “passport” should be based on test results not vaccination status – there is no logic to the latter.

Our failure to change course is going to be our Waterloo. We have blown our economy up with the medieval blockades and the modern day equivalent “lockdowns “. It hasn’t worked – we have merely kicked the can down the road for two years. The hard part is still ahead of us.

Africa and other unvaccinated populations appears to be doing better than the wealthy. Hopefully this is just underreporting otherwise it is a further evidence that we have got it horribly wrong.

Whatever happens the hate and vitriol directed at those who choose to take their own path and not engage in the hopeful vaccination trial is misplaced and poorly considered. I suspect we do not have leaders with the courage to admit we need to reset our response. Hence our Waterloo.
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November 14, 2021 10:41am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It has been reported internationally at least that the unvaccinated have frequently on admission to hospital left to die from Covid basically untreated.
  We don’t see the inside of that world.
  
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  November 14, 2021 4:21pm
lazza

If informed commentary, and leaving out our individual bias’s and political leanings as the criteria, then here is my personal list of the good … some great … NZ media Print–Radio note NO TV/Nats or Lab … of all stripes that is , the fave commentators currently going round.

I/We may not agree with their views but in reaching balanced informed views the following out shine the rest (the bozos, trolls and political hacks).

Soper
Jane Clifton
Tim Beveridge
The Hosk
Chris Trotter
Hooten
Stephen Joyce
Audrey Young
Steve Braunius
John Roughan
Clare Trevett
Richard Prebble
Joanne Black
Charlotte Grimshaw
Paul Thomas
Greg Dixon & Michelle
Bill Ralston
HDPA
David Seymour

There! … that’ll get you all going.

All of those listed… CONTRIBUTE to the public debates … OK?

Responses preferably should exclude any “likes or dislikes”- superficiality OK?

PS: I include in my list the good/great writer/journalists irrespective of my disagreeing sometimes with their only slightly “rabid”/often whacky/always opinionated views OK?
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November 14, 2021 10:48am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  There are few on that list I would bother reading beyond the headline.
  
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  November 14, 2021 1:30pm
- hilaryt
  
  Yep. But I got sick of Thomas when Trump was Prez.
  
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  November 14, 2021 2:57pm
- mawm
  
  bassetbrashandhide.com – not radio or print.
  
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  November 14, 2021 5:29pm
Benedict Yu

Just another thought. Recently Helen Clark was grinding her teeth asking that the New Zealand government pay for COVID VACCINE in Papua New Guinea.

Let’s just say you could get lots of them vaccinated. What are the chances they are going to come back for the necessary booster shots? And some local chief would end up stealing the vaccines and selling them to Uganda. ?
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November 14, 2021 10:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Brings us to a broader question, Benedict. What if anything, should we do to help our Pacific neighbours?
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:07am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Trade with them and support their tourism.
    
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    November 14, 2021 1:32pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  If not sold to Uganda they would certainly be sold to their locals to support the chiefly lifestyle.
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:13am
- Gravelroad
  
  @BY-
  An organisation to which I belong had a speaker from PNG. The guy now lives here.
  It was astonishing what he had to say about the corruption at all levels.
  Aid donations seldom reach the intended target.
  He said don’t waste your money sending “feel good” funds as they will end up in a government or tribal leader’s pocket.
  
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  November 14, 2021 1:38pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Sounds a bit like all the millions given to maori to “lift them out of poverty”.
    
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    November 14, 2021 4:29pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Papua NG has been Aus’s accepted adopted place of concern. We help further over in Polynesia.
  
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  November 14, 2021 4:24pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Plenty of corruption east of PNG too. Just ask the locals.
    
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    November 14, 2021 4:33pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Plenty of corruption to the south, west and north, too.
      
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      November 14, 2021 5:34pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        East is where we are involved.
        
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        November 14, 2021 9:40pm
- virtualmark
  
  We have taken responsibility for providing vaccinations in the South Pacific. Australia has done similarly with PNG and the Solomons.
  
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  November 14, 2021 8:19pm
Fletch

Grant Schofield, Professor of Public Health at AUT University and director of the University’s Human Potential Centre, writes on his Facebook page –

I’m not an “anti-vaxxer”. I’m fully vaccinated.

But some people will choose not to follow these orders for various reasons. Some of them may be logical based on the data that there is no protection beyond 200 days, and the data on reductions in transmission are limited, and they are concerned about adverse events.

We all make different decisions given similar data because we are all different and have different ways of weighing risks and benefits. They may see the futility of a public health system which would on current evidence have to boost every 120-150 days to maintain vaccine efficacy. Or maybe they just don’t like being told what to do, or have a more complex theory which may be spurious. Who really knows?
[…]
This debate has already caused substantial harm and division in our beautiful country. I believe in the context of the recent Swedish data showing vaccine waning, that it’s now obvious to any thinking person the futility of these mandates.

We can predict that the exact thing we are trying to avoid “overwhelming the health system” is exactly what we are going to do by firing health workers.

What government puts on its own handcuffs on and throws away the key? This isn’t us. So sorry I can’t stand by silently and watch this. I have to say something. I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to pluck up the courage.

Sorry if this upsets you, but come Monday I know of real teachers, real GPs, real mid-wives, real physios, real people without jobs. Real communities without their beloved teachers and health professionals who are here to care for them. These are my communities, my friends, my school.

These are mostly not lunatic fringe anti-vaxxers. They are people often making their own rationale decision. Yes its different than mine, but it is theirs.

I fear we are choosing more harm than good, and in my field that’s just not acceptable. In fact it’s unethical and immoral.
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November 14, 2021 10:52am
Reid

Covid and your cells Q & A with Dr Peter McCullogh and Dr Vincent Giampapa

Dr. Peter McCullough is an academic internist, cardiologist, and epidemiologist from Dallas, TX. Dr. McCullough is considered among the world’s top experts on COVID-19 pandemic response. Dr. Vincent Giampapa is a Cellular Aging Expert & AntiAging Pioneer. Nobel Prize Nominee for groundbreaking research on cellular restoration technology.

60 min podcast.

https://www.americaoutloud.com/covid-and-your-cells-q-a-with-dr-peter-mccullough-and-dr-vincent-giampapa/
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November 14, 2021 10:54am
lifesgood

I’m off to watch Outsiders on Sky News. They tell it like it is and could give our media a lesson or two.
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November 14, 2021 10:57am
Alan Wilkinson

Delete doesn’t work.
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November 14, 2021 11:10am
70andstilllearning

I almost felt sorry for that Tame boy this morning on Q+A with Judith – he-looked so haggard – almost unkept. Then again the mirror hours needed
perfecting the “His Masters Contemptuous Frown” look for so long ( following the PR teams weekly instructions call) would probably make anyone appear that way.
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November 14, 2021 11:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pre recorded with Collins. He was reasonably quiet.
  I think he was told to behave or interview terminated. Jaspinda can do it, so can Collins
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:50am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING..

Family of five found safe and well in 14
foot fibreglass boat off Thames. There was no VHF on board and their cellphone battery was flat. SHEESH!!

My partner has his Skipper’s Ticket ands a member of Coastguard. Like he said….. you could just imagine the state of the boat and the motor.

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1459642373982416899
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November 14, 2021 11:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Prob no life jackets and can’t even swim. The sea is unforgiving. I think it is high time boats to be registered and pass a wof type test.
  Been on this harbour/gulf nearly 50 years. Coastguard call sign, never had to use them. Let’s keep it that way
  
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  November 14, 2021 11:46am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I quite agree, Steve. There are many such things that should be subject to stricter government regulation.
    
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    November 14, 2021 12:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That would include fuckwits on jetskis and small inflatables out there at night with no nav lights. I have nearly connected with 3.
      A boat is a hole in the water into which you pour money
      
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      November 14, 2021 1:24pm
oldfella

Thought of the week: I’m going to stop asking “How dumb can you get.” People seem to be taking it as a challenge.
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November 14, 2021 11:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is a challenge
  
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  November 14, 2021 1:25pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Fortunately, many commenters in the blogosphere are up for that challenge.
    
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    November 14, 2021 6:36pm
Fletch

The WHO –

No country can simply vaccinate its way out of the pandemic.

“Covid-19 is surging in countries with lower vaccination rates, but also in countries with some of the highest vaccination rates in Western Europe. It’s another reminder, as we have said again and again, that vaccines do not replace the need for other precautions. No country can simply vaccinate its way out of the pandemic. It’s not ‘vaccines or’ it’s ‘vaccines and’.

It’s not just about how many people are vaccinated, it’s about who is vaccinated. It makes no sense to give boosters to healthy adults. Or to vaccinate children when [other high risk groups] around the world are still waiting for their first dose.”

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1973550659981
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November 14, 2021 11:42am
Yvette

COP shaw about one thing –
New Zealand won a Fossil award on the penultimate day of COP26, for Climate Change Minister James Shaw’s refusal to update the country’s National Determined Contribution to constraining global temperature rises.

“We nearly fell off our chair when Mr Shaw (who also chairs the transparency negotiations and is co-leader of the NZ Green Party by the way) quite literally said that just because a refreshing of the NDC has been asked of countries ‘it doesn’t mean we have to’,” opined the summit’s awards organisers, the Climate Action Network International. “This comes from a country that gives off the ‘greener than thou’ vibe at the drop of a hobbits hat.”

… not aided by scepticism about New Zealand’s own promises, as shown by the Fossil Award and the lack of any significant New Zealand business presence at the summit.

“There is precious little time left and we need to turn up the heat on countries not taking their domestic emissions reduction roles seriously. Lead by example Kiwis, do the right thing and stop the greenwash – and skip the spin cycle while you’re at it.”

Jonathan Milne says the award is embarrassing for New Zealand, and denies Shaw any moral high ground in leading the transparency work stream.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro-talks-nz-awarded-humiliating-fossil-status-at-cop26

So Shaw’s non-delivery in refusing to update the country’s National Determined Contribution may predetermine non-delivery in his Transparency Negotiations.
QED
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November 14, 2021 12:10pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Get to the big stuff. Who won the Posturing Prats Award?
  
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  November 14, 2021 1:39pm
  - jgw739
    
    Jointly awarded to all attendees
    
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    November 14, 2021 5:07pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  James Shaw getting schooled! Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
  
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  November 14, 2021 4:18pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Shaw would not have the authority to offer substantial NZ Public Monies to anyone.
  
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  November 14, 2021 4:28pm
I remember when

How many people know how they caught the flu, when and from whom.
When apportioning blame for having caught it do you (a) 100% blame someone else, or (b) blame yourself for not being careful enough.
Does the person you 100% blame, say it’s not their fault but the fault of the person they caught it from.
After tracing the contact back to the original source, do you wonder whether it is humanity’s fault or the species from the animal kingdom.
And where did they get it from.
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November 14, 2021 12:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yup. Who is the bastard that gave Pneumonia to me recently?
  
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  November 14, 2021 1:27pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone see Casey Costello of Hobson’s Pledge on the Outsiders on Sky at about 12:30 today?

Sky had Muriel Newman on not long ago. I hope this will be a trend.
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November 14, 2021 12:55pm
- lifesgood
  
  Yes, she was excellent. Sky have had a bit more NZ content lately. They loathe Jacinda so it’s a good watch. Peta Credlin and Andrew Bolt are both worth a watch too.
  
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  November 14, 2021 1:40pm
ABS4EVA

We swear by the Southern Cross to stand truly by each other and fight to defend our rights and liberties.

https://eurekapedia.org/Eureka_Flag

Vinegar Hill
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November 14, 2021 1:11pm
ABS4EVA

READ

CINDIES bestie

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/laws-enshrine-safe-and-clear-pandemic-responses

Authorised officers will have an enshrined role under the legislation with specific powers relating to core compliance and enforcement enabling them to require information or documents, inspect premises, and enforce quarantine.

>
While they tell you this VAX MANDATE
is going to give you your FREEDOM
and a Normal Life

They Work Day and Night to
LEGISLATE

1984

VIC Labour and NZ Labour
are

For all intense purposes

THE SAME TEAM

“This framework takes the best components from Australia and overseas and adds them to our already robust response.”

What they mean by that is they talk
to JACINDA regularly

and INVOKE her DIVINE presence
and glowing Socialist Halo

when they want to FOOL a bunch of Suckers

Jacinda the “Mother Theresa” of Socialism

Jacinda please Dress up for us and say
some magic words in any other language
other than English

Fools them every time
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November 14, 2021 1:38pm
ABS4EVA

A site of Beauty

Finally after being let out

people are ON THE MARCH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzHkcTA5-SM

Freedom day in AUSTRALIA
is WHEN

LABOUR ARE GONE
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November 14, 2021 1:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just filled up the Landcruiser. $230.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k8ux5l422av2o5t/robbery%20suspect.jpg?dl=0
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November 14, 2021 2:01pm
- rockape
  
  Last boat delivery I did was a 62 ft cray boat from Perth to Auckland. We could chew up 270 litres per hour, Glad I wasn’t paying the bill!
  
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  November 14, 2021 2:54pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    West Coaster? Yep Guzzle the juice i assume and make for a flighty ride. Good on you.
    
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    November 14, 2021 3:56pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  I used to cruise in a AU Aus Made Falcon
  42c per litre could do
  
  Melbourne to Adelaide
  Melbourne to Sydney
  
  for around $100
  
  Put 175,000km on that Baby
  
  They don’t make those any more
  Now the Commies are in Charge of AUS.
  
  Great Fuel and Now they are getting rid of it
  
  MORONS
  
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  November 14, 2021 4:56pm
Nickc2

If you thought your money in the bank was safe, forget it. If this happens in Biden’s USA, Cindy and Robbo are bound to try it in Lil-Olde-NZ.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/13/bidens-banking-nominee-calls-eliminate-all-private-
Now you know why Cindy and Robbo aren’t fazed about the money they’ve been printing.
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November 14, 2021 2:01pm
- Inandout
  
  Nick, I suspect many Labour voters have few savings so wouldn’t worry them.
  
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  November 14, 2021 5:33pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I suspect you’re right Inandout. However, they are the ones that will rejoice forever when Cindy makes such a dictate.
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:09pm
Warren

Oh no I though our Police would have had to be the first to be vaccinated.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/covid-19-delta-outbreak-twelve-rotorua-police-self-isolating-after-two-cases-revealed/AW7WJKNQIKZ3PNMT3Y5DGRW22M/
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November 14, 2021 2:06pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING NOW….

A twitter bestie asks an interesting question.

My immediate answer was a big fat “NO”….
although not for the reason you may think.

https://twitter.com/thekiwicanary/status/1459607982954586114
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November 14, 2021 2:15pm
Reid

In an exclusive and explosive one-hour interview with Veronika Kyrylenko of The New American, pioneering mRNA scientist Dr. Robert Malone explains the intensely corrupt workings of the government regulatory bodies that have mismanaged the pandemic, discusses the problems with the vaccine program and delves into potentially explosive and game-changing revelations about the shady origins of the Covid-19 pandemic in Wuhan, China.

https://thenewamerican.com/dr-robert-malone-this-is-the-largest-experiment-performed-on-human-beings-in-the-history-of-the-world/
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November 14, 2021 2:29pm
- surfing
  
  Robert Malone is very clever …but, also a bitter man for not being credited for developing mRNA.
  
  In different circumstances he’d be extolling the virtues of mRNA technology.
  
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  November 14, 2021 3:10pm
  - dcrane
    
    I’ve watched him a fair bit this year. He never acts bitter. He acknowledges the utility of the vaccines and chose to get vaccinated himself.
    
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    November 14, 2021 6:06pm
  - Fletch
    
    No. He just knows that the technology isn’t ready for use in the community yet. He believes in it, in general but he is probably one of the few smart enough to know it is being misused.
    
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    November 14, 2021 6:07pm
- mawm
  
  Thank goodness the bint learned to shut up. Malone is good value to listen to and has some insightful revelations.
  
  @surfing – when I listen to him I always wonder if he is bitter and if it’s because he wasn’t in on the pay day. From a medical perspective I can’t fault him on what he says about covid and the vaccine.
  
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  November 14, 2021 5:45pm
- dcrane
  
  About 19 minutes in, Malone says that some (many?) of the regulators we’re depending on to make decisions about “vaccines” like these are actually paid by Pharma – e.g. Pfizer, because the industry has convinced the FDA that compliance can be handled in-house.
  
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  November 14, 2021 6:28pm
- Spoff
  
  Excellent interview
  
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  November 14, 2021 10:11pm
Rusty

The more people who get the jab the more covid cases go up.

Can Jacinda and Ashley explain why?

Blaming the unvaxxed doesn’t work anymore –shouldn’t all cases, ICUs, and deaths be only unvaxxed people?
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November 14, 2021 2:33pm
- surfing
  
  “shouldn’t all cases, ICUs, and deaths be only unvaxxed people?”
  
  Please quote your source that made you think this.
  
  I know you won’t, because you just made it up.
  
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  November 14, 2021 2:58pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Case rates in most European and US jurisdictions have been increasing over the last three months. If is, of course, possible to cherry pick examples to ‘disprove’ that. It is possible the trend is purely seasonal like most ILIs. Or it could be leaky vaccines driving viral evolution. Or it could be Original Antigenic Sin or ADE at work. Everyone has their pet opinion. One thing we can all be certain about though is this: high levels of vaccination do not appear to limit viral spread.
    
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    November 14, 2021 4:37pm
    - surfing
      
      Still not “All cases”.
      
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      November 14, 2021 6:02pm
    - dcrane
      
      Not in Florida, ironically.
      
      https://www.google.com/search?q=florida+covid+cases
      
      It’s the cool season there now so everyone is outside and has their windows open.
      
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      November 14, 2021 6:04pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      So you’re agreeing that Rusty’s comment was rubbish?
      I really don’t know why you amateur epidemiologists don’t call out the fringe loonies, if you are trying to make a sensible argument.
      
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      November 14, 2021 6:11pm
  - mawm
    
    You don’t do irony, do you?
    
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    November 14, 2021 5:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They know why but will never admit it. Numbers up means boosters, more lockdowns and more control.
  Let’s stretch this out until 2023, or even Jan 2024
  
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  November 14, 2021 3:09pm
- MCos
  
  There’s a graph on this page showing the vaccination status of all known covid-19 in NZ including those subsequently hospitalized.
  As you can see fully vaccinated account for 10/331 hospital patients & entirely devoid of vaccine 232/331.
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-case-demographics
  
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  November 14, 2021 4:56pm
  - dcrane
    
    As more and more of the population shifts out of what Alex Berenson calls “Happy Vaccine Valley” (the first few months after vaccination) this will shift, as it has everywhere else.
    
    Meanwhile, as time passes more and more information also comes to light about possible harms from the vaccines themselves. The Phase III trials were inadequate tests for adverse events. We do not yet know the full story.
    
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    November 14, 2021 5:58pm
  - CJames
    
    Though the date says 14th November, the graphs etc are August, so one doesn’t know what the actual data is
    
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    November 14, 2021 9:57pm
Warren

It amuses me when you hear the likes of Andrew Little and Chris Hipkins rave on about we have enough ICU Beds with not one them saying if we are found to be overwhelmed with Covid – 19 and run out of beds , you can blame Grant Robertson and othe Labour Ministers for the shortfall.
Now if the Finance Minister and Deputy leader hadn’t swiped money from the Covid -19 slush fund to pay for cameras on New Zealand fishing trawlers, used several million more for school lunches , several millions more to a Kainga Ora housing fund and few more that I can’t remember at this present time there would be many more ICU Beds and the staff to look after them.
So if the numbers rise on a daily occurence and many are hospitalized you can only blame this Government their Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson for the mess that will happen in our Hospitals.
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November 14, 2021 3:18pm
Harriet

“Do you Jeffro take Cindy’s hand in this new modern western era?”

“Oh golly gosh yes — getting a 1pm lecture every day is domestic bliss. My soon to be daddy in-law and his bestest work buddy ever, Coster, see it as the great ‘new normal’, as normal as Dan Andrews is. President Xi sees it like this too. Cindy and myself are all happy smiles, and we will live very interesting lives, as wife and man. ” 😎
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November 14, 2021 3:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pass the bucket
  
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  November 14, 2021 3:44pm
Maggie Pie

Just watching ‘Keeping up with the Kardashians’ on E.
Scott thinks Kylie might be pregnant!
Wonder if that would make Bruce a… ‘Transpa’?
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November 14, 2021 4:39pm
Maggie Pie

And more woke sh*t from that John Campbell 🙁

https://twitter.com/JohnCampbell/status/1459572066286387203

Bet it wouldn’t have occurred to the clown for a moment that the fix might be in.
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November 14, 2021 4:53pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  John who
  
  and who gives a RATS A hole about the
  Royal Scumbags
  
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  November 15, 2021 12:24am
ABS4EVA

So we have no Control over our Bodies

We can have our Property Confiscated

and IF we object to any of this

We are (soon going to be )
subject to arbitrary ARREST

For … Hate Speech

I mean how good is LIFE?

Does it ? Can it Get any better ?
or Worse

YES WE CAN?

Be Kind to one another Team of
5 million
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November 14, 2021 5:01pm
Clownworld

Any medical aka political mandates ( difficult to distinguish these days) should be subjected to tests before being given free informed consent by each individual.

1) Sniff test unlike pcr, this one is simply the if it smells like bs, talks like bs it probably is bs.
Do not agree

2) Statistics test unlike publishing out of context figures , have an independant group of non-political rational critical thinkers debate the pros and cons

3) Censorship test – if something is censored too much, apply test 1

4) Ethical medical approach test
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November 14, 2021 5:20pm
ABS4EVA

Sucked in NZ

https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-greg-hunt-mp/media/interview-with-jim-wilson-on-2gb-drive-on-12-november-2021-on-australias-vaccination-rollout

NOVAVAX will roll out in Aus before you
because your PM is well your PM

Too busy jet setting and playing Dress Ups
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November 14, 2021 5:30pm
ABS4EVA

ONE ring to ROGER them all with JACINDA

https://investorplace.com/2021/11/novavax-stock-is-on-the-way-with-ramp-up-in-eua-filings/
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November 14, 2021 5:32pm
- kevn
  
  @ABS… They seem to have the jump on (the similar) Valneva.
  
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  November 14, 2021 7:52pm
Truman lodge

Anyone want to wager a bottle of moet that Aucklanders won’t be allowed to leave over Xmas?
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November 14, 2021 7:24pm
- septic skeptic
  
  We are leaving regardless
  
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  November 15, 2021 12:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

Did anyone make the date with piglady at Taupo?

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/11/general_debate_10_november_2021.html#comment-3061327
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November 14, 2021 7:25pm
fernglas

Vaccine boosters for everyone over 18? Does this mean that after that date, anyone who has not had two doses plus a booster 6 months after the second will be considered not to be fully vaccinated, and will not be allowed to travel to New Zealand or participate fully in life within the country? Another good excuse to keep citizens out and to manipulate those who have the misfortune to be in the country
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November 15, 2021 6:19pm
fernglas

If only National had a leader worthy of the name, Labour would be in the real doldrums
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