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Warren

Act concerned by taxpayer funded research into Jacinda Ardern’s Facebook page.
Jacinda Ardern and the Labour party believe they are the entitled and laws are there to be broken when it comes to using devious ways to gather votes.
Just like all the complaints before on Jacinda’s dubious use of taxpayers money like the film on Jacinda ” they are us” our Prime Minister does not know anything about it and it’s not her fault.
Well for Christ sake she is the Leader of our Country the CEO who if in private business in this Country wouldn’t have a job if the excuses of I don’t know and it’s not my fault was used like Jacinda uses.
Asked why taxpayers were paying for her Labour Party- branded facebook page to be polled, Ardern said: ” to be honest I have no awareness or knowledge of that”.
Acts David Seymour says it is ” blatant misuse of taxpayers money “.
“Its not quite corruption but is certainly skating right along the edges of it”, says Seymour.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/11/act-concerned-by-taxpayer-funded-research-into-jacinda-ardern-s-facebook-page.html
While Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister continues what she does best , in telling blatant lies , A ct will be complaining to the Audtor General.
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November 7, 2021 8:01am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  The article makes sure to soften the blow with the opening lines from Tova, “The Labour Party is pumping $272m over four years into boosting incomes for low and middle income New Zealanders.”
  But when you think of that, it is pathetic chump change compared to light rail or even the money handed over to Pacific nations for climate change. Each well over a billion $ a pop.
  What ever happened to ‘poverdy’ in NZ?
  Wasn’t it the needy children which caused the PriNZcess to enter politics?
  Is the implication that kiddies need a tram to the airport despite going to school in barefeet?
  
  The former head of International Union of Socialist Youth doesn’t seem that good at her targetting with said socialism.
  Looking forward to a tone-deaf public celebration of the royal wedding, to drive more true socially conscious lefties to the Greens, and swing voters & actual productive folk to more competent centre parties.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:02am
  - Harriet
    
    “…..compared to light rail…..”
    
    $14 billion is to be spent in a 10k radius.
    
    Instead spend all the money building car park buildings and you have just increased the lanes on nearly all the roads by 100% — and halved everyone’s travel time, and almost halved the fuel use — for just $14 billion!!
    And that may include Wellington. Cookie cutter buildings. And they get the money back with car park fees!!
    
    Labour, tramsters and cyclists vs $14 billion, productivity and carbon reduction. It’s like they want to lose the election. ?
    
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    November 7, 2021 11:55am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  If labour break the law, then obviously the law is not doing what was intended and “absolutely ” needs to be changed.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:09am
- Ra Henare
  
  She needs all the support she can get.
  Slowly her “”bright flame”” internationally is dwindling.
  
  Sorry Jacinda, seems the UN will not be beckoning. Perhaps you will have to do a Clinton and join the International Speakers Circuit.
  
  https://www.rt.com/news/539528-zealand-china-ally-adversary/
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:19am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Flappy handy wordy soupy is popular? Can you actually listen to that? Is that a ‘thing’?
    
    Would you pay to listen to her pontificating bullshit sandwich speech?
    
    I would save my $ and put it towards a coffee or a cup of petrol . . .
    
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    November 7, 2021 12:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Socialist Youth Conferences?
    
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    November 7, 2021 1:09pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Excuse my ignorance but why do you need to poll a facebook live event. The emoticons and the public comments are the poll..
  The top emoticon for the labour party working for families announcement was angry face.
  
  And second why has RNZ our nationally funded news completely banned public comments. Why can BBC, Telegraph, Daily Mail, The New York Times, The Australian, The Atlantic, The Sydney Morning Herald, The Sydney Morning Herald…..hell even the Russian Times all allow public comments. But RNZ has turned them off completely, and Stuff and Herald ban commenting routinely on anything where the government is impeding our civil rights. What other countries have such extreme censorship of the public views.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:44am
  - rangitoto
    
    North Korea.
    
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    November 7, 2021 11:07am
  - redeye
    
    “Excuse my ignorance but why do you need to poll a facebook live event. The emoticons and the public comments are the poll..”
    
    Someone needs to subtract the likes and favorable comments that her own comms team are providing.
    Not too much of a strain on a normal calculator but this is Ardern.
    
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    November 7, 2021 11:07am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    55m well spent. The plebs will not be allowed to complain.
    
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    November 7, 2021 11:08am
- fisho
  
  The reply posed to her should’ve been “if you have no idea this is happening we’ll look forward to seeing some heads roll some time in the near future”.
  It’s what any governance board worth their salt would do, that or fall on their own sword. So it ain’t gonna happen on Che Adern’s watch.
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:13am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Great cover for Labour in that article. You have to read 9 paragraphs about Labour helping poor people and Jacinda being a rockstar before you find anything relating to the heading and misuse of taxpayers money.
  
  That’s what 55m buys you.
  
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  November 7, 2021 11:02am
- Alan1930
  
  “General Debate” really should be called “Predictable Anti-Government/PM Whinges”
  
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  November 7, 2021 11:56am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Be the change you want to see Al, rather than just whinging about other people whinging.
    
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    November 7, 2021 12:40pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Did they poll the Facebook Live comments before or after comments dismissive of the PM, her government and its policies were deleted by her censors?
  
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  November 7, 2021 12:48pm
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Happy International Inuit Day!
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November 7, 2021 8:01am
- Truman lodge
  
  Maybe use dynamite sticks or high powered shotguns to catch a baluga whale for dinner? Actually horrible practice.
  
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  November 7, 2021 8:32am
- mandk
  
  Is it possible to be an international inuit?
  
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  November 7, 2021 8:36am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Inuit communities are found in at least three separate countries.
    
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    November 7, 2021 9:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They are governed by 3 different countries:
    Canada, USA (Alaska) and Denmark (Greenland).
    
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    November 7, 2021 9:21am
  - Yvette
    
    Mandk, anything is possible if you’re intuit :o)
    OK – sorry, already
    
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    November 7, 2021 9:35am
- oldfella
  
  I’d salute that with an Eskimo Pie if I could still buy one.
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:00am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I refuse to buy “Polar Pies” or packets of “Explorer” lollies.
    
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    November 7, 2021 12:49pm
- Bob
  
  It is VERY CORRUPT! and borders on the fraudulent use of taxpayer funds. Theft as a servant perhaps.
  But then Helen Clarke did a similar thing with a promise card, and effectively got away with it; just changed the legislation.
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:02am
Yvette

• Time slots possible for Aucklanders crossing border in holidays – Hipkins
3 Nov 2021
Covid Minister Chris Hipkins told Checkpoint the government is considering the option that Aucklanders have an allocated time slot to leave the region over the summer holidays.

• Deputy PM on time slots for Christmas travel: ‘It wouldn’t be very practical’
4 Nov 2021
Grant Robertson
Aucklanders will probably have a better option than allocated time to leave the region over the holidays, the deputy prime minister says.

• Aucklanders can travel over summer: ‘That’s a commitment’ – PM
6 Nov 2021
Aucklanders will be able to travel outside the region over summer and Christmas, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirmed today.
Ardern told Newshub the government was considering whether travel should only be available to people who are fully vaccinated.

All from the same page of the RNZ website.
But it is the only sense in which they are all on the same page.

QED, again – be afraid
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November 7, 2021 8:01am
- MarkF
  
  @Yvette. What astounds me (actually not really) is the complete lack of adult thinking in the Government (or the MSM) over this.
  Let’s do some simple maths.
  30000 vehicles (I think that is light by the way) want to leave Auckland (Time slot or not) then there are 30000 checks to be made on all of the occupants of the car. Scanning their aps or papers and making sure they are not fakes, say 2 mins per car.
  So 2mins x 30000 = 60000min or 1000hrs or nearly 42days. Even splitting half going north and half south that is 21 days.
  So by the time the last one has left the first will have already come home
  
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  November 7, 2021 8:33am
  - Scooter
    
    Where will they stop them to check? There’s quite a few ways into and out of Auckland. Surely they realise or not that it will cause delays of hours if not days but maybe that’s the idea to put people off. Can’t wait to see what their solution is, maybe on 29 Nov?
    
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    November 7, 2021 8:43am
  - Leofric
    
    I am quite sure that a great deal more than 30,000 vehicles flee Auckland for Xmas.
    
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    November 7, 2021 8:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think it is more in the order of 30,000/ day that leave.
      
      43,000 cars left Auckland last Christmas Eve day
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018819213/traffic-expert-suggests-spot-checks-for-auckland-border-travel
      
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      November 7, 2021 10:56am
  - Inandout
    
    Mark, not forgetting all trailer trucks will need checking for ‘illegals’ under cover . This takes time even with heat seeking scanners.
    
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    November 7, 2021 8:47am
  - cmm
    
    Numbers, numbers… never been an issue in the magic world they live in.
    
    Of course there are much easier ways to do this.
    * Take away the motor vehicles from the unvaxxed.
    * Only the vaxxed are allowed to buy petrol.
    * Vaxxed get special stickers that they can put on their cars.
    
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    November 7, 2021 8:48am
    - rjay
      
      The unvaxxed could be asked to wear yellow stars on the clothes.
      
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      November 7, 2021 9:47am
    - Surely Knott
      
      And take their shoes. The unvaxxed should only wear slippers to limit the distance they can travel amd spread disease. Also take their bicycles and boats. ? We know the mRNA vax prevents transmission if only these people travel no will be safe
      
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      November 7, 2021 10:19am
  - Yvette
    
    So by the time the last one has left the first will have already come home
    
    No, Mark, they will be queued in the opposite lane waiting police clearance to re-enter Auckland – like the tide: what goes out, probably is gonna come back in again :o)
    
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    November 7, 2021 8:52am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Nicola Willis put it in perspective 🙂
    
    https://www.facebook.com/NicolaWillisMP/photos/a.209798912830693/1218471648630076/?type=3&theater
    
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    November 7, 2021 9:00am
  - rouppe
    
    Plus the hours of being in a queue traveling at circa 2km/h. Think of the greenhouse gases!
    
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    November 7, 2021 9:09am
    - Scooter
      
      Good point haha unintended consequences are Labour’s policies.
      
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      November 7, 2021 11:53am
  - alloytoo
    
    How do those numbers blow out when people have to be turned back?
    
    Or people who legitimately have to commute through the checkpoint daily?
    
    It’s utterly insane.
    
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    November 7, 2021 9:39am
  - Scooter
    
    They’ve had 18 months to sort out quarantine etc, does anyone expect they will have the Auckland border sorted in 7 weeks? 2 options either they open to all or keep closed.
    
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    November 7, 2021 10:43am
  - David George
    
    Not forgetting the thousands of boats heading for northern and Coromandel waters. How are the police going to enforce that.
    
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    November 7, 2021 10:45am
  - Jim
    
    By locking down the largely compliant DOUBLE VAXED population of Auckland and insisting on a negative test to receive ‘Gov accredited’ parole, the Gov is signalling a distinct LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN THE VACCINE EFFICACY. However this is 100% supported by UK Daily Mail reporting today that UK Gov is planning travel restrictions and quarantine for people who haven’t had the BOOSTER JAB (yep that’s No 3). Still feeling so confident in THE SCIENCE?
    
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    November 7, 2021 5:27pm
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  They really seem to be flinging ideas at the wall to see what sticks and one gets the impression the wheels fell off the government this week.
  I think our PM seriously thought she could divide New Zealand without a peep based on all those people changing their social media profiles to show they were jabbed but she has found out this is not the case.
  I wonder how much longer she will stick around as her popularity wanes, Grant will get his shot at being PM next year I think but is it a job he will want come next election when he has to fix this mess?
  
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  November 7, 2021 8:34am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Grant will be horribly out of his depth next year. A global financial crisis is impending because of disruption of commerce by Covid, if nothing else. (Wait till you see our supermarket prices next June.)
    
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    November 7, 2021 9:18am
    - kowtow
      
      We’ve had two huge spending surge shocks , by govt reactions to , GFC and Covid .
      
      The chickens will come home to roost .
      
      No wonder gubblemunts are so desperate to keep people distracted by the “climate emergency” ( another huge money binge btw ) to keep the chattering classes focused on what doesn’t matter .
      
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      November 7, 2021 10:06am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      Agreed but he will be in his element as opposition leader blaming the incoming government for his errors and that is what he wants.
      
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      November 7, 2021 10:11am
      - Paulus
        
        He will remain Deputy or something having lost again, to Mahuta who has the numbers under the new Labour Party Rules just brought in.
        
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        November 7, 2021 1:53pm
    - Prince
      
      My modelling suggests that next June, tomatoes, lettuce and spring onions will increase dramatically in price. Avocados and asparagus will be in short supply.
      Some 20 year old reporters will do a feature on it.
      
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      November 7, 2021 1:03pm
      - Nickc2
        
        With Peer Reviews done by the local Kindy Kids?
        
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        November 7, 2021 3:08pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    The wheels fell off some time ago. Love him or loathe him, Winston at least kept Labour away from their own worst excesses.
    
    Now, with He Puapua, 3 Waters and the slow moving Covid Crisis, we see their true colours.
    
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    November 7, 2021 10:16am
    - kowtow
      
      Oh come on , he anointed them .
      
      he can’t be given any credit as some sort of “handbrake”
      
      he was the mid wife of this madness.
      
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      November 7, 2021 4:55pm
  - Paulus
    
    New Zealand has never been so divided as it is now in so many respects and she must take a large degree of responsibility for it and its continuation.
    You ain’t seem anything yet even after she has gone the enormous damage that she has done will live on!
    What a Valedictory she will get.
    
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    November 7, 2021 10:17am
    - Nickc2
      
      What a Valedictory she will get
      That will bode well for entry to the UN Troughing Gala and UN Trougher of the Year awards.
      
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      November 7, 2021 3:12pm
  - Peter S
    
    I think there are two types of people in the country.
    The vacillated and the unvacillated.
    That is those that blindly believe the ever changing version of “truth” from whichever side of the PM’s mouth it comes from on any day, or those of us with with a brain and critical thinking skills, who see most of it for what it is.
    
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    November 7, 2021 10:31am
    - Alan1930
      
      Spoken just like a flat earther.
      
      Biased partisan thinking that’s validated by fellow members of their preferred echo chamber isn’t “using your brain” nor is it “critical thinking”; it’s tantamount to masturbating in front of a small group who like to watch – it might “turn the group on” but rational and normal people just see it for the irrational and absurd cult-like behaviour that it is.
      
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      November 7, 2021 12:11pm
      - Man Among the Ruins
        
        While I’m not one to begrudge anyone their sexual proclivities – so long as you keep it legal – you are really just spouting off (so to speak) from your own “preferred echo chamber” in exactly the same manner as you accuse Peter of doing, the only difference being that he didn’t strawman anyone.
        
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        November 7, 2021 12:55pm
      - Manu-Rau
        
        What an absolutely bizarre comment. Did you see something like that at the Labour Party Conference this weekend?
        
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        November 7, 2021 6:43pm
- Nickc2
  
  Lockdowns are not Political! They are about safety and saving lives! BULSHIT!
  With the number of cases rapidly rising, how can the [deleted] predict it will be safe for Aucklanders to proceed freely around their country over summer FFS?
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:04am
  - Alan1930
    
    It’s not “safe” it was only ever a temporary strategy to give people time to get vaccinated.
    
    Now that everyone has had enough time the cards will now fall where they may; relative to those who did the sensible thing and got vaccinated the stupid minority of idiots can now look forward to around a 20 times higher death rate + ICU admission rate + admission to hospital rate + “lying at home thinking that death would probably be the preferred option if this gets any worse” rate.
    
    So be it. The only downside is that they’ll take up beds that are needed by the sensible. Personally I’d like to see the vaccinated given priority to hospital resources; unfortunately the medical professionals treat people equally – even the profanely stupid.
    
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    November 7, 2021 12:22pm
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Al, you’re really going off today aren’t you. May I request that you refrain from tying your histrionic speculations together with such insulting verbiage? The casual reader may dismiss you out of hand, otherwise.
      
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      November 7, 2021 12:59pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Wait to the vaccinated clog up our hospitals.
      
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      November 7, 2021 1:01pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I find it odd that last year, those from rest homes who died after contracting Covid were recorded as Covid deaths. This year, the MoH seems to be trying its hardest NOT to categorise and deaths with Covid as pandemic-related.
    
    I guess that’s so the PM can continue to tell the world that we have the lowest per capita Covid mortality of just about anywhere.
    
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    November 7, 2021 12:52pm
- mawm
  
  All this nonsense just to punish those who haven’t listened to the Podium of Truth. We all (those who have bothered to educate themselves) know that the vaccinated can spread the virus just as effectively as the unvaccinated.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:05am
  - Alan1930
    
    What a complete load of bollocks.
    
    The data has shown that the peak viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated can be similar. The degree to which infected people infect others also depends on the length of time that viral load is being shed – and the data clearly shows that that period is reduced to about half in vaccinated people.
    
    Your biggest nonsense however is failing to account for the fact that vaccinated people are around 10 times less likely to be infected in the first place. And they can’t pass on to others what they don’t have. So overall, the vaccinated are around 20 times less likely to be responsible for someone else getting infected. Or to put that another way, the idiotic clueless 10% who refuse to get vaccinated can wipe out much of the good work everyone else has put it.
    
    This is the problem when people like you “educate” yourselfs from misinformed sources. I’d like to think that doctors are a damn site more educated about the benefits of vaccination than you; here’s a link to 6733 NZ ones who think vaccination is a no-brainer:
    
    https://www.doctors-stand-up-for-vaccination.com/
    
    Are you seriously so stupid that you think you know more than all of them? Despite having no medical qualifications, training, and experience?
    
    Mods: I seriously think the time has come to give serious thought to shutting down people posting blatant disinformation like “mawm”. This isn’t a joke anymore; this kind of idiotic stupidity leads DIRECTLY to loss of life.
    
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    November 7, 2021 12:42pm
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Al, you’d make an excellent hall monitor: “Miss! Miss! They’re all doing it again, Miss!”
      
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      November 7, 2021 1:01pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Alan1930 is quite the aggressive sod isn’t he.
        
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        November 7, 2021 5:26pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Wow. You are just wow. Al is the source of truth…an abusive one source of truth…
      
      Give it a rest
      
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      November 7, 2021 1:25pm
    - mawm
      
      So because you disagree with me you demand that I’m shut down! How adult. You also make an assumption about my qualifications that could not be further from the truth. Finally there is nothing about my comment that is disinformation.
      
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      November 7, 2021 1:27pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      The “20 times less likely “ shows that “Alan1930” is simply parroting the article from Stuff a few days ago, which in turn was using the computer model of a couple of Australian biostatisticians.
      
      By contrast the recently published article in The Lancet, conducted by Professors of Infectious Diseases and based on a precise, year-long study of several hundred people, yielded the conclusion that there was, at best, a few percentage points difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated people when it came to spreading the virus.
      
      Which conclusion matches the surge in cases being seen in highly vaccinated populations from Ireland to Israel.
      
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      November 7, 2021 2:53pm
    - Matt Long
      
      So the new standard of medical social freedom is that a group that is contagious with an air borne virus is “safe” and another group that sheds more virus needs to be quarantined.
      I guess you believe that people get a “little bit pregnant” if you have a low sperm count?
      
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      November 7, 2021 3:07pm
- cmm
  
  Cindy’s big back pedalling probably means the feedback she is getting is slowly sinking in.
  
  What are they going to do if 50,000 people get in their cars and decide to go somewhere? How are they going to stop them?
  
  Having outright insurrection from tens of thousands of people would taint her brand and she’s very brand conscious.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:07am
  - Cinematic
    
    And I think a car protest would actually be quite popular and easily organised.
    
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    November 7, 2021 9:19am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The Freedom and Rights Coalition (closely aligned with Destiny Church) is organising The Great Gridlock next Saturday, 13th November at 11am, along with a mass march on Parliament at 10.30am this Tuesday.
      
      Considering he utterly opposes these events, it was very good of cartoonist Rod Emmerson to publish these details!
      
      https://twitter.com/rodemmerson/status/1457079187710251009
      
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      November 7, 2021 12:58pm
      - Man Among the Ruins
        
        I wouldn’t know who Rod Emmerson was if I fell over him, but if he’s unironically against what he terms “freedom zombies” then he must be a douche. Fran O’Sullivan is apparently triggered too, so that’s also a bonus.
        
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        November 7, 2021 1:48pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It worked (albeit temporarily) for the cyclists, and they should be a lot easier to stop than 50,000 cars in convoy with a front-end loader leading the way.
    
    Where’s C. W. McCall when we need him?
    
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    November 7, 2021 10:20am
    - nathie
      
      Well, C.W. McCall is still around – he’s alive and kicking at 94 years old!
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqYTX7parRw
      
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      November 7, 2021 11:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      10-4
      
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      November 7, 2021 1:13pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  As I am not vaccinated I will not be allowed to travel over the land border.
  
  I guess I will have to go by sea.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:15am
- Maxx
  
  Which single source of truth is the correct one?
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:21am
  - nathie
    
    Good point … Robbo, Cindy or Chippie’s version of truth on a good day?!!!
    
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    November 7, 2021 2:05pm
- krazykiwi
  
  The primary failing here is ongoing debate over the practicalities etc. It has to stop. The issue is the utterly reprehensible hijacking of personal sovereignty by Ardern and her cabal of amateur-hour authoritarians.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:35am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Not usually a fan of yours kk, but “amateur-hour authoritarians” is quite brilliant
    
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    November 7, 2021 9:40am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Ha! I’ll win you over Albert_Ross, one quip at a time 😉
      
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      November 7, 2021 5:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ” Aucklanders can travel over summer: ‘That’s a commitment’ – PM”
  Watch that waffling word soup. Auckland summer officially starts Dec 1st and ends late Feb. Christmas is somewhere in there but you might not get your travel permission until early Feb.
  Cunning as a shithouse rat
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ad. How can a business function, not knowing when the employees are going to be at work or on holiday.
    As usual, very few in Labour have ever owned a business. I see more going to the wall.
    
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    November 7, 2021 11:27am
    - Cinematic
      
      Labour makes things up on the spot. Planning doesn’t occur to them. Jacinda will make a spectacular captains call at the last second.
      
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      November 7, 2021 11:40am
  - Cinematic
    
    Oh can we! I’m so delighted to be able to travel within my own country! Who would have thought such a thing would be possible? All praise to Queen Jacinda the merciful!
    
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    November 7, 2021 11:36am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      It’s amazing how long reality takes to filter through the fact that Christmas travel (if it happens – note the alternative word often used is “summer travel”), is dependent on many isolated communities accepting it. Whilst many here strut out talk of protests, the only real protests since March last year have been communities shutting out travellers who may have Covid. For many in such communities, Aucklanders could be considered as “covid spreaders.” In reality, they are correct and the political signs are weeks old now, first mentioned by the PM as “local shutdowns” then later by Judith, perhaps in a different context, “parts of NZ” shut down.
      I can’t say it bothers me, I’m reminded of WW1&2 were those in the Pioneer and Maori Battalions travelled “home” to enlist. Nothing like a sense of who and what you are fighting for.
      
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      November 7, 2021 12:44pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You came so close to getting an uptick McDonald
        
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        November 7, 2021 3:48pm
- Fletch
  
  I am betting that half the Aucklanders who manage to get out past the border won’t be back. The Berlin Wall of New Zealand.
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:38am
  - Alan1930
    
    I seriously doubt that they’re that short sighted. The difference in the consequences of the virus between Auckland and the rest of the country 6 to 9 months from now is going to be about zero.
    
    They’d be up-rooting themselves to go from an area with high infection rates (and the restrictions that go with it) to head to an area that’s about to be exactly the same.
    
    Additionally, other areas don’t have the infrastructure to support large numbers moving; it would drive rents and house prices through the roof; ironically lowering them in Auckland – which would probably attract an influx of people.
    
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    November 7, 2021 12:50pm
- PeeJay
  
  Much as I’d love to see the clusterfuck of them trying to organise time slots for hundred’s of thousands of Aucklanders to leave for holidays, I suspect what is going to happen is that all this has been a delaying tactic until they get the vax-app working. Once this in place, say early December, they’ll walk back from the 90% double-dose aim, claim it was always aspirational (and most of the pathetic media will not question this 180) and say the current rate at that point, probably above 80% is ‘world leading’ and let covid rip. They have boxed themselves into a corner – locking Aucklanders up over summer is game over so can’t happen. They can’t fudge the numbers enough – all DHB’s at 90% won’t happen, if ever, until Jan or Feb at best. Therefore, they’ll blink, open the gates and spin furiously that opening up at around 80% was always the plan and everything else was aspirational…just following science etc. Labour – crap at doing, world leading at spinning!
  
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  November 7, 2021 11:37am
Chuck Bird

An excellent article on NZCPR.

https://www.nzcpr.com/robert-clancy-the-covid-enigma/
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November 7, 2021 8:02am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Very good article. It reaffirms the questions that need to be asked but are constantly shut down. WHY is Ivermectin not allowed to be discussed, even worse, maliciously demonised as a “horse medicine” – a patent lie.
  WHY did the NZ government ban the importation of antibody testing? WHY was HCQ and Ivermectin effectively banned in NZ? WHY did the government indicate their would be exemptions to vaccination but then all the relevant organisations sent letters to their members specifically telling them NOT to issue exemptions?
  No wonder there are conspiracy theories.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:31am
  - cmm
    
    Ultimately it all comes down to censorship to try to force people along the path that they want.
    
    Antibody testing, in particular, provides information. Antibody tests are not treatments. Banning antibody testing is suppressing the information that they provide.
    
    There is no informed consent when the people are denied information.
    
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    November 7, 2021 9:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Antibody testing showing natural immunity will interfere with the Covid testing and vaxxing numbers. The socialists would lose some control
      
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      November 7, 2021 11:31am
  - mawm
    
    The cynic in me says that the whole approach by multiple governments has been to make the pandemic as severe as they can because a mortality of a fraction of a percent is just not enough to frighten the proles. One simply cannot have a treatment that effectively keeps people out of hospitals and from dying.
    
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    November 7, 2021 10:18am
  - Alan1930
    
    Because study after study after study of the drug has been found to be at best highly flawed and at worst, fraudulent.
    
    Thus there is currently no reliable peer-reviewed evidence that it works at safe dosages.
    
    And a deeply flawed article written by an outlier professor that flies in the face of tens of thousands of medical professionals – thousands of who have far more relevant qualifications than this gentleman – doesn’t change that.
    
    Why oh why are people so incapable of differentiating between wishful thinking and reality these days?
    
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    November 7, 2021 12:59pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      It didn’t look ‘deeply flawed’ to me. Would you mind substantiating that claim a bit. Thanks.
      
      As for the ‘outlier professor’, Professor Robert Clancy ran the leading mucosal immunology research unit in Australia and focussed on protection against infection of the airways and the relevant immune response. He was awarded the first DSc from the University of Newcastle for that work, and an Order of Australia. He sounds like a serious, eminently credentialed individual to me.
      
      To your claim that this article ‘flies in the face of tens of thousands of medical professionals – thousands of who have far more relevant qualifications than this gentleman’, perhaps you could substantiate that with some evidence? Where exactly are the papers showing the lacking efficacy in respect of Ivermectin from these ‘tens of thousands of medical professionals’?
      
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      November 7, 2021 6:01pm
  - Sacha
    
    One of the reasons that Ivermectin has been banned is it is an effective treatment for the COVID19 virus. Pfizer applied for, and was given Emergency Use Authority for the use of its vaccine by the FDA and WHO, and governmental health agencies.
    However, an EUA can ONLY be given when there is no ‘recognised’ effective treatment available, and Ivemectin fell into that category with regard to the Covid19 illness. If Ivermectin was recognised, there would be a much smaller market for the vaccine, and then where would Pfizer be?
    
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    November 7, 2021 3:04pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yes, and further, any granted EUA would immediately be withdrawn had some existing, already approved treatment come to light. Pfizer et al had billions of dollars profit riding on their state funded, zero liability experimental gene therapies… so Ivermectin was in their sights.
      
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      November 7, 2021 5:40pm
KevO'Brien

From the Dr who created the PCR process:

https://noqreport.com/2021/11/06/dr-robert-malone-the-vaccinated-are-actually-the-ones-that-are-creating-the-highest-risk-for-everybody/
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November 7, 2021 8:08am
- cmm
  
  “Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the mRNA technology”
  
  He invented mRNA vaccines, not PCR.
  
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  November 7, 2021 8:52am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I’ll check further.
    
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    November 7, 2021 9:21am
    - dcrane
      
      Inventor of PCR is Kary Mullis
      
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      November 7, 2021 9:45am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Yes. Malone is in the follow on.
        
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        November 7, 2021 6:17pm
  - Billy
    
    He claims to be the inventor, but no one else really does.
    
    He’s a pioneer as far as I have checked. His opinion is worth taking seriously.
    
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    November 7, 2021 10:27am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  So only the unvaccinated should be allowed to leave Auckland.
  
  That works for me,
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:24am
- Reid
  
  Here’s another one from Malone, discussing the politics behind the Covid response. V good exposition.
  
  https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/11/06/international-covid-summit.aspx
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:33am
- Alan1930
  
  Here you go again posting rubbish.
  
  Robert Malone is an outlier with a chip on his shoulder. He’s got a bee in his bonnet because he’s being shunned by most of the medical research profession so he hops on his soapbox whenever someone gives him an audience. And guess who just loves to give him an audience … the same old sources that just love to profit from the perpetually stupid eg “Gateway Pundit” & Steve Bannon.
  
  Even saying he “invented” mRNA is a stretch, a better description may well be “he was one of the first to discover it”. Either way it certainly doesn’t make him an expert in COVID-19 vaccines – and it certainly doesn’t make what he says is correct when it flies in the face of what tens of thousands of his colleagues are advising.
  
  Have a rational read about your wonder boy:
  
  https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/
  
  Then have a long think (for once) about what constitutes a reliable source of information (Hint: it’s not something that confirms your nutty conspiracy theories).
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:13pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    The Atlantic?????? ( snigger)
    
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    November 7, 2021 1:25pm
  - Sacha
    
    I have never heard the Malone was the sole discoverer of the mRNA. He has disclaimed this several times in various interviews – he was one of a team of researchers.
    Alan 1930, you are sounding somewhat hysterical not to say frightened, and there really is no need. If you get symptoms of illness follow the guidelines that are available on line – and know that your vaccine will be protecting you from the worst effects.
    
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    November 7, 2021 3:11pm
    - MCos
      
      Your personal definitions of hysterical & frightened seem rather broad.
      
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      November 7, 2021 4:08pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Alan1930… ? ?
    
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    November 7, 2021 5:37pm
kevn

@Chuck and Kev… Good stuff. Where would we be without the ‘internet’?.
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November 7, 2021 8:12am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Without the internet we’d only have a “single source of truth”. It might make life easier in a “1984” – Minitruth sort of way.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:37am
  - oldfella
    
    CM: “You can’t believe everything you read on the internet.” – Abraham Lincoln.
    
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    November 7, 2021 10:04am
- MCos
  
  Because they didn’t have the internet 50-60 years ago we don’t have polio in NZ now.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:53am
Scooter

Thought I would share this article from The Local in Europe. This week Germany and Austria have gone a step further to ostrasise the unvacc’d from social outings (watch others to follow). Good points that it will only make the vacc’d feel they are safe and can still spread and the un vacc’d will just find ways around. I expect hairdressers will start doing house calls and getting paid in cash.

Here it is:

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Two prominent virologists said on Saturday that Germany should reintroduce free testing for all rather than restrict access to venues to only vaccinated people.
Allowing only vaccinated and recovered people to enter venues, a system known as 2G, would give people a “false sense of security,” Jonas Schmidt-Chanasit, a virologist at Hamburg University, told Deutschlandfunk radio on Saturday.

He said that vaccinated people could become infected and transmit the virus, even if the probability was lower than with unvaccinated people.

Schmidt-Chanasit said that the only secure option is a 1G system – that is to test everyone, whether vaccinated, unvaccinated or recovered.

He warned the government against abandoning testing, saying that Germany instead needed a “test offensive.” He also criticized the fact that free rapid testing had been abolished in mid-October.

Hendrik Streeck, head of virology at Bonn University, also said that the 2G rule was fraught with problems.

“The vaccinated have the feeling they are no longer part of the pandemic and behave accordingly,” Streeck told Redaktionsnetzwerk Deutschland (RND) on Saturday.

“The second problem is the unvaccinated, who will be excluded and are thus even less likely to get tested.”

“If unvaccinated people are not allowed to participate in social life, they may organize parties at home. Then, chains of infection can no longer be controlled at all,” he warned.

Streeck also called for the reintroduction of free Corona tests.

Saxony became the first German state to announce on Friday that it would introduce 2G rules for venues such as restaurants and bars.

Meanwhile, Austria decided on Friday to introduce a nationwide 2G rule. People without vaccination or proof of recovery will no longer be allowed to visit pubs, hairdressers and events from Monday.

Several politicians and heads of medical organisations have called for nationwide 2G rules in Germany.

READ MORE: Calls grow for Germany to bring in national restrictions for unvaccinated

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November 7, 2021 8:18am
- Inandout
  
  Scooter, Germans latch onto ‘enemies within’ like ducks to water. Interesting that Israel is experiencing major problems with vaccinated people as these people as tourists could potentially be excluded at the German border. History has a strange way of being repeated.
  
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  November 7, 2021 8:54am
  - Scooter
    
    History repeats, but I noticed Austria is pushing more austere restrictions and if ICU beds increase they will restrict un vacc’d from leaving home (I assume to only shop for food). scary shit
    
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    November 7, 2021 12:52pm
- cmm
  
  Given their history, I think the Germans are very concerned about the image of “papers, papers”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsO1KwF64Ow
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:10am
  - JFAP
    
    Opera lovers amongst us might like to check out on YouTube the famous “Papers! Papers!” aria from Menotti’s “The Consul.”
    
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    November 7, 2021 9:43am
- rouppe
  
  Then there is no advantage to being vaccinated and many will not, or not continue with boosters.
  
  I’m vaccinated, which I did to ensure I could travel. Didn’t factor on Ardern holding everyone hostage to 90% But I will hold off boosters for now as I can tick that “fully vaccinated” box.
  
  I think you’re right about social events. For me, masks are disgusting and against my culture. I’d rather organise an event at home than have to wear masks. I’ll only do it where it is unavoidable such as supermarkets.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:17am
- Bluegrass
  
  Der geimpften [vaccinated] Personen über alles…
  
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  November 7, 2021 12:55pm
Aunty

A must-see for those who have concerns about the vaccines, the risk of Covid, and Governments approach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frCIYEyURV0
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November 7, 2021 8:20am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Re: “trust in science” – Science doesn’t say anything, because it’s an abstract noun. Scientists, however, say a lot of conflicting things, and being particular people, they are naturally subject to error and/or influence as the case may be.
  
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  November 7, 2021 8:59am
- cmm
  
  The purpose of science was to extend knowledge.
  The new purpose of science seems to be more aligned to providing justification for political policies etc.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:15am
  - Taieri
    
    The new purpose of science seems to be more aligned to providing justification for political policies etc
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    This has always been the case, particularly in the authoritarian countries. One Trofim Lysenko comes to mind here. But non-authoritarian countries were not spared either, anyone remembers eugenics? Sweden practiced sterilization of “useless” citizens well into 1970’s. US did the same to its prisoners until 1960’s. More recently, even in NZ there’re many instances of “repressed memory syndrome” being touted as based on “science”.
    
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    November 7, 2021 10:09am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I think the purpose of science hasn’t changed, but the definition certainly has. The number of people using the scientific method has plummeted under the pressures of politics, easy money and ideology.
    
    Just like the definition of vaccine has changed out of all recognition, and the significance of counting “cases” is now vastly overstated.
    
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    November 7, 2021 10:53am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It seems that few folks understand the scientific method – scientists included.
      
      Making Observations, suggesting hypotheses, and
      developing models are common to many forms of investigation or research.
      
      However, the scientific method requires critiquing and testing of hypotheses /models and ultimately
      rejection, refinement, or provisional acceptance of the hypothesis.
      
      Anyone who thinks Science is settled or leads to the truth has failed to grasp what Scientific endeavour entails.
      
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      November 7, 2021 11:13am
      - Taieri
        
        Anyone who thinks Science is settled or leads to the truth has failed to grasp what Scientific endeavour entails
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        Saying that “science is settled” implies that there’re limits to human capability to think. In effect is says that no further contribution to knowledge is possible.
        
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        November 7, 2021 12:38pm
      - Leofric
        
        You’ve just described Maori Science to a tee.
        
        //sarc.
        
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        November 7, 2021 12:56pm
- emmess
  
  I trust the scientific method
  I do not have trust in many of the scientific institutions
  
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  November 7, 2021 11:03am
Simon

Rumble — Join Greg Hunter as he talks to 25 year veteran Dr. Elizabeth Eads, DO, exposing the lies that Big Pharma, CDC, FDA and NIH are telling the public. Dr. Eads will highlight the real unreported effects of the CV19 injections/jabs and how it’s all gone completely out of control in hospitals across the country.

https://rumble.com/vomwi7-cv19-injections-will-cause-massive-death-dr.-elizabeth-eads.html

Coming to NZ comrades.
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November 7, 2021 8:22am
- mawm
  
  Dr Eads is a Dr of Osteopathy! – “A form of complementary medicine involving the treatment of medical disorders through the manipulation and massage of the skeleton and musculature.” Most of what she says is from reading the internet and unlikely to be from personal experience.
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:26am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    DO’s in the US are highly respected and well trained in physiology as well as complementary medicine. Don’t knock the latter, it recognised here in NZ too. I prescribe it.
    
    [Mod note: For clarity, this KB poster is NOT a registered medical practitioner licensed to prescribe medicines or medical treatment in NZ. mod.]
    
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    November 7, 2021 1:18pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Indeed. But I can and do fit in as qualified as producer to prescribe after consultation my herbal preparations under the Medicines Act.
      
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      November 7, 2021 6:22pm
I remember when

Log Market Analysis: Shipping:
Shipping is the most difficult the market source can recall, with high friction at all parts of the process.
Bunker fuel cost as risen, congestion at load and unload ports has risen to extreme levels, ships are waiting for cargo and requiring hull cleaning at very unusual levels.
All this delay and impost increases the time and cost involved in chartering, loading and running log ships.
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November 7, 2021 8:24am
- kowtow
  
  Any mention of how no one wants to be a mariner anymore as they get stuffed around so much by govts and bureaucrats who care so much about all and sundry’s “rights” except when you really are an essential worker keeping the wheels ( or keels) of commerce rolling .
  
  Out of sight out of mind . Until the shelves are empty .
  
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  November 7, 2021 8:34am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Absolutely kowtow. Mariners leaving in droves after repatriation fiascos by all and sundry.
    As warned previously, Im still surprised there are Xmas goods on shelves abeit in limited numbers.
    Essential/Key worker as per UN IMO which has been conveniently forgotten.
    https://www.imo.org/en/MediaCentre/PressBriefings/Pages/44-seafarers-UNGA-resolution.aspx
    
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    November 7, 2021 8:49am
    - Taieri
      
      Mariners leaving in droves after repatriation fiascos by all and sundry
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      Indeed. Prohibitions on travel, crew changes and obligatory quarantine, regardless of the time spent on board rendered this seafarer unemployable.
      
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      November 7, 2021 12:39pm
  - cmm
    
    This the unfortunate result of being seen as a “cost” rather than what they are – value providers.
    
    Whenever people, or the function they perform, are seen as a cost then the goal becomes to minimise costs. This tends to start a race to the bottom. Wages go down, being screwed around increases and the operational margins get hammered.
    
    Disruption of any sort causes a lot of problems and then prices go up again.
    
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    November 7, 2021 8:59am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yes and No CMM.
      As Master I run the vessels Budget and crew. Crew costs to join/depart have gone from an avg 2-3k US$ too 30K+ US. Taken into account Covid testing, Quarantine and sky high flights etc.
      The insurance industry is very worried about the high casualty rates and costs which essentially boils down to right crew for right job, Not too mention severely fatigued Seafarers over contract.
      The Sea and Weather waits for No man and can be a relentless 24/7 operations.
      As previously posted it is a Central planning issue and NOT a Supply chain issue.
      ie COVID related issues are forcing up rates.
      
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      November 7, 2021 9:10am
Captain Mainwaring

200 new Covid cases in Auckland yesterday.
Auckland is a big place. Why aren’t we allowed to know in which parts of Auckland these cases are popping up.
Just so Aucklanders can know which parts to stay away from.
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November 7, 2021 8:37am
- Truman lodge
  
  It’s parts of Auckland I never go anyway.
  
  Except when I’m heading to the waikato in which case I never have to get out of the car.
  
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  November 7, 2021 8:44am
- cmm
  
  Coz that would be racist.
  Just like how we can’t know the BMI etc etc.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:00am
- Maggie Pie
  
  What I can tell you Capt’n, is you can safely visit Remuera…..
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  where the BMI of all the girls at the tennis club is in the 18.5 to 22 range 😀
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:56am
- MCos
  
  The areas with a predominance of cases have been broadcast from time to time.
  Anyway.
  If you live in one of those areas, as I do, you’re not going to stay away from your home.
  Everyone knows the most likely way to pick up covid-19 is not at the supermarket, doctor or chemist, but hanging around in someone else’s home all day.
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:08am
- emmess
  
  200 cases, eh?
  I don’t really care about the numbers
  I am almost at the point where I am cheering for higher numbers so that we can break the government sooner rather than later.
  And no, that does not mean I will go out of my way to catch it.
  
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  November 7, 2021 11:07am
  - MCos
    
    You hope someone else catches covid to make the government look bad?
    
    Very galant of you.
    
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    November 7, 2021 11:50am
    - emmess
      
      No, don’t misrepresent me
      People will catch it anyway, why stretch this out with all the damage it is doing?
      
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      November 7, 2021 12:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here’s a thought. Socialism is like a mousetrap. It works because the mouse does not understand why the cheese is free
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November 7, 2021 8:46am
- R
  
  The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. 🙂
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Second mouse? Or is that the cunning shithouse rat?
    
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    November 7, 2021 10:52am
- Bluegrass
  
  Socialism – ideas so good that they are compulsory.
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:01pm
Cinematic

Long covid. It’s da looooong covid you need to fear now (guess the lethal virus ain’t killing enough of us).

Covid sure has been long but not in the way these sick in the head fear mongers would have us believe.
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November 7, 2021 9:10am
Bridgenag

Q: Rabinovich, what is a fortune?

A: A fortune is to live in our Socialist motherland.

Q: And what’s a misfortune?

A: A misfortune is to have such a fortune.
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November 7, 2021 9:16am
rouppe

Horrid article about Germany’s “fourth surge”.

This is despite the fact that 66.9 per cent of Germany’s population has been fully vaccinated, which puts it on par with the UK (68.1 per cent).

And they are open. We’re still locked down at 77% fully vaccinated
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November 7, 2021 9:26am
- MCos
  
  The first line of that news.com.au article says that Germany’s ICU beds are in danger of running out.
  Over there they have about 6x the number of ICU beds per capita to NZ.
  That’s why there’s a nervousness about opening up.
  The population of the UK, Germany & NZ are all 68-66% fully vaccinated & 76-70% half vaccinated.
  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html?referringSource=articleShare
  
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  November 7, 2021 12:08pm
Master Mariner

So it begins,
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Airlines-Are-Hedging-Against-Higher-Oil-Prices.html
“Airlines are back to hedging the price of fuel to protect themselves from higher oil prices next year”

My prediction will be 120 $/bbl by June without any Geopolitical events which is always an unknown event.

Better build those bike lanes//
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November 7, 2021 9:34am
- MCos
  
  Pumped up the bike tyres this morning.
  Last time I got it out I went to the local shops & found it was uphill both ways.
  
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  November 7, 2021 12:12pm
Benedict Yu

Has the government abandoned the idea that the unvaccinated will be prevented from leaving Auckland at Christmas? Because anyone who thinks about the logistics will realise it is impossible
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November 7, 2021 9:36am
- alloytoo
  
  It’s probably an all or nothing approach, nothing else is practical.
  
  This leaves a few pitfalls for the government.
  
  Keep Auckland isolated.
  
  This would, as case numbers continue to chug along, be consistent with the public health narrative.
  
  This is likely to be met with growing civil unrest from the people of Auckland and the team of $55 million can’t maintain the fiction that they are solely “Anti-Vaxers” for very much longer.
  
  There will also be considerable pressure from the rest of New Zealand, in desperate need to some Auckland holiday dollars.
  
  Their second option is to open everything up.
  
  This is going be a big shock to the half of the population that they have been scaring silly for the past 18 months, there will be fear and confusion which will ultimately turn to anger as they start to figure out they’ve been lied to.
  
  I expect local government labour sycophants are already trying to figure out how to distance themselves from the Labour brand in order to avoid a blood bath.
  
  Labour’s only recourse is to Bribe, Bribe, Bribe the taxpayer with our children’s money.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:54am
- Stu2
  
  Two solutions:
  – lock Auckland up for Christmas
  – or let Auckland out
  
  Nothing else is workable.
  The city will be at 90% second dose on average, with pockets that are far lower
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:03am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, and those pockets will have their hands in other people’s pockets.
    
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    November 7, 2021 12:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bad enough just getting to Mangawhai on a long weekend
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:54am
- MCos
  
  Suits me if there’s no restrictions.
  I’m expecting the peasants in the southern wastelands won’t be so happy.
  Expect roads and aerodromex to be obstructed with hay bales and militia armed with pitchforks and combine harvesters.
  Anyone who breaks right on through to the other side will be made to listen to bagpipe music.
  
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  November 7, 2021 12:22pm
ClanMcleod

This had to be the most moronic article I’ve read in the Herald for a while. Almost certainly every person referred to is made up.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/covid-19-delta-outbreak-vax-vs-anti-vax-issue-tearing-kiwi-families-apart/4YTUVLPR5WY4L6ACCZERNIIXBI/

Note how all the “pro vax” are logical, normal people while all the anti vaxxers” are mean, stupid, selfish assholes? This is what $55 million contributes to our “single source of truth”. Total garbage masquerading as journalism. My 12 year old could write more plausible articles.
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November 7, 2021 9:42am
- ClanMcleod
  
  As a follow up to my rant re the Herald. I sent the author this 5 minute video clip and asked her to debunk this lunatic. He’s discussing the rollout of the vaccines. Obviously a rabid anti vaxxer and conspiracy theorist.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aZd6aTCAkM
  
  BTW, his name is Doctor Peter Doshi, PhD. He’s an associate editor of The British Medical Journal. The Herald article author is a “food, travel and lifestyle author based in Auckland”.
  This should be an easy win for her. I am looking forward to her response.
  
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  November 7, 2021 9:47am
- rouppe
  
  It’s classic propaganda language.
  
  I thinks it’s less “pro vax vs anti vax” and more “anti free choice vs pro free choice”
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:01am
- Taieri
  
  It’s just another Animal Story.
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Another fairy tale by a child
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:36am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

If you loved Clare’s FB rant yesterday…check out Muriel’s letter 😀

‘WE DON’T LOVE YOU ANYMORE JACINDA’

https://nzcpr.com/newsletter/
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November 7, 2021 9:47am
- Bob
  
  Muriel’s weekend letters are always worth a read, very insightful, and factually accurate.
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The fairy dust is wearing off. Now we are finding it is not fairy dust but iron pyrites (fool’s gold)
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:39am
- JibberJabber
  
  Of course, anyone with a functioning prefrontal cortex clocked Ardern for exactly what she was back in 2008 when the list got her into Parliament.
  A vacuous puppet incapable of original thought and the ominous threat she presented to the New Zealand way of life, Comrade.
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:41am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    A few weeks ago Cam Slater at BFD said he had lunch with her about 10 years ago and said it was obvious she was just full of “Bumper Sticker Slogans” and had no plan.
    
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    November 7, 2021 11:55am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Cam and DPF did a tour of the country in a campervan during (I think) the 2011 election campaign. I recall neither was particularly impressed by Ardern.
      
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      November 7, 2021 1:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So in 10 years nothing has changed? or got worse?
      ‘get tested’ ‘get vaxxed’ ‘traffic lights’ ‘comrade’
      
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      November 7, 2021 1:56pm
- jonno1
  
  It’s 31 years since BORA, not 21 (as stated in the draft letter).
  
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  November 7, 2021 11:11am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Just a typo, jonny.
    
    Even Auckland is only a key away from being ‘Suckland’
    
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    November 7, 2021 11:53am
Jethrod

Further on from David Farrar’s post on the 5th November.
Light Rail.
Oh now you’ve got me going so there.
From the Auckland CBD to the Airport, Michael Woods has produced his 3 answers.
He has got 3 different propositions, all highly flawed.
There is above ground all the way which will cost lots and cause devastation on roads like Dominion and others in the CBD. This is called light rail and is only $9 billion.
Then there is light Metro which follows a dedicated route and is above ground and underground …a snip at $16.3 billion.
There is tunneling option which is $14.6 billion……to me this sounds like it is a version of heavy rail!
So Mr Wood reckons there will be a decision by Christmas.
But hang on…..who will use these options?
Will the guests at the Hilton , the Pullman or the Grand Millenium walk, dragging their suitcases, to the Light Rail terminus at the Wynyard Quarter…..no they will get a taxi and then continue straight to the airport.
Will the residents of Herne Bay and Remuera…….hmmmm, still need a taxi ride to even get to the rail route, so may as well continue all the way.
Will the residents of Mangere, Onehunga and Mt Roskill be taking the light rail to the CBD to in the main attend at industry there; no…… the light rail doesn’t go to Penrose, Mt Wellington or Manukau, so a bus or heaven forbid a car is way more practical.
When will these fabulous projects even be started let alone completed…….5, 10 perhaps 15 years and then there is the inevitable cost overruns typical to all Government and local government projects.
We have here a junior Government minister who will commit vast amounts of money , materials and untold labour resources to a vanity project that has no credible basis.
If the tunneling option is taken little Jimmy Shaw would not be well pleased with the amount of concrete required….. the making of cement takes vast quantities of the evil coal . So that is another reason to not proceed with a country ruining project called Light Rail.
So the $608,000,000 per kilometre or the $7978 for every NZ household is looking like a pretty bad deal.
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November 7, 2021 9:50am
- kevn
  
  Third world government who are also ‘the’ problem.
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:44pm
The GreyGhost

A 16 year old has been murdered in my neighbourhood this weekend. There is a gun-related crime nearly everyday now in this country. It does seem like no-one in this government really gives a shit.
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November 7, 2021 9:50am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Even worse, the 16yo is said to have been an innocent bystander at a fireworks event when he was shot. Kudos to the Police, who made an arrest this morning.
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:03pm
dcrane

Coincidentally, or not, my old local paper in Connecticut has decided it’s time for front-page scaremongering stories about the coming climate crisis, just like Stuff over here. Their latest page asks for my questions on the economic impact of climate change. I gave them this:

“I want to know what the impact on our economy will be of transferring so much power to the same corrupt crowd of elites and regulators who gave us a recklessly genetically engineered pandemic, lockdowns and bailouts at the expense of the working class, a coming inflation debacle, the Russiagate fraud, the ‘Insurrection’ FBI psyop, the ‘woke’ nightmare degrading academia and our public schools, and so many other failures. No way the COP crowd should be allowed to change our way of life.”
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November 7, 2021 9:54am
oldfella

‘Let’s go, Brandon’. The Powerline’s US week in pictures.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/11/the-week-in-pictures-total-schadenfreude-edition.php
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November 7, 2021 9:58am
Reid

Mike Huckabee gives a useful summary of the Chinese spy defector Dong Jingwei.

https://gab.com/Jesusizrael777/posts/107231956804341224

If you’ve never heard about this, you should educate yourself. If true it’s the most significant indicator there are indeed white hats operating inside the intel community, esp the fact that when the Chinese asked Blinken to return him when they met in Alaska, Blinken replied he didn’t know what they were talking about. It’s the one ray of hope in an otherwise unrelenting landscape of utter bleakness.
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November 7, 2021 10:18am
- mawm
  
  It has been knocking around for a while. It’s interesting that he would only approach the DIA and not the CIA or State Department. China worked out early that Western politicians were susceptible to bribery and inappropriate sexual relations, and have used both to gain access to whatever they have wanted.
  
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  November 7, 2021 2:03pm
ABS4EVA

CODE Red for Ambulances in
The Communist Police State of VICTORIA Australia
Who Cindies friend DAN is the Chairman

What that means is Ambulances can not meet
demand they have had the ADF assisting

This is what happens when a State is opened
Purely as part of a Labour Party Campaign
Strategy NOV next year is the election

They are opening so this time next year
everyone remembers LABOUR Saved
them and Opened up so THEY could SHOP

I would say NZ VAX rates are similar
1000’s of daily cases

a VACCINE that does not work as well as NOVAVAX approved by INDONESIA

and OPEN we go

You OPen up you get COVID Ambulance CALL
and More other Cause
AMBULANCE call outs because people are doing things

A Gradual opening of
People who can work from home
SHOULD work from home

But No from HARD lock down to
FAST open

Total Labour LUNACY once again
in EVERYTHING

Cindies lecture on Better Governance
did not cover AMBULANCES I expect

https://7news.com.au/news/melbourne/ambulance-victoria-sees-high-demand-overnight-on-monday-for-non-critical-patients-c-1770939 Dan Andrews like Cindy What a Statesman What a Chairman Jacinda's Full lecture to Melbourne I ASSUME they LISTENED https://www.anzsog.edu.au/resource-library/news-media/why-does-good-government-matter-transcript-of-jacinda-ardern-s-address Quote We make decisions that impact on their environment, on their jobs, on their wages and on their healthcare. YES
BAD ONES invariably
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November 7, 2021 10:25am
JibberJabber

Christmas ornaments, Drywall and Jeffery Epstein, 3 things that don’t hang themselves.
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November 7, 2021 10:31am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  And Wallpaper
  
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  November 7, 2021 12:29pm
Maggie Pie

And is there anyone else here who hasn’t taken a Covid test, besides me?
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November 7, 2021 10:38am
- JibberJabber
  
  What kind of half-witted Lemming would take the test if they had no symptoms?
  Beggars belief.
  
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  November 7, 2021 10:44am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Well, I did. In order to see my Mum for the first time in three months the rest home required evidence of double Vax, covid test within 72 hours prior and a temperature check once there.
    We are both double vaxxed. I wonder what the end game is. Maybe that is her lot now, a half hour visit per week from a single visitor only, masks, no contact. I don’t see how 90% double vaxxed and the traffic light system will provide any more safety or any more freedom.
    
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    November 7, 2021 4:00pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Why would you need a Covid test if you’re double-vaxxed, have no symptoms and have stayed away from those parts of Auckland we’re not allowed to know about?
  
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  November 7, 2021 11:01am
- Don Beckett
  
  I haven’t, & I won’t. No-one’s going to stuff a probe up my nose. I’m cool with a saliva test though.
  Anyway – bugs like Covid won’t come near me because I’m such a toxic prick they know they will die. 😆
  
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  November 7, 2021 11:15am
- emmess
  
  I haven’t but I am imaging a disease so deadly that you have to take a test to find out if you have had it
  
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  November 7, 2021 11:26am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Why would anyone take a covid test and risk being locked up? I’m vaccinated. And everyone else has had the opportunity to be vaccinated. Job done.
    
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    November 7, 2021 1:39pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yep. I’m very particular about what goes up my nose!
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:05pm
- MCos
  
  I had a test maybe six months ago because I had a cold and I needed to see the doctor about something else.
  I didn’t think the clinic would appreciate me turning up coughing & sneezing & farting without confirmation it wasn’t covid-19.
  I was apprehensive about a cotton bud being ground around in the back of my nose, but it was no worse than a smack in the face by Mike Tyson.
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:07pm
Fletch

California’s Covid rate now twice that of Florida. Hmmm, I wonder why? ?

But COVID-19 cases aren’t falling in California anymore. They have climbed back up to the CDC’s blood-red “high” level of virus transmission as the highly contagious Delta variant continues to wreak havoc.

Meanwhile, the virus has gone quiet in Deep South states that abandoned mask orders, opposed vaccine mandates, posted lower vaccination rates and saw larger outbreaks over the summer. California’s case rate is now well above Texas’ and double Florida’s, which along with the rest of the Gulf Coast are down to the CDC’s orange “substantial” transmission level.

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2021/11/06/californias-covid-19-case-rate-now-twice-floridas-whats-up-with-that/
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November 7, 2021 10:56am
Yvette

Pike River
Last week (for the reporting period ending Thursday 22 October) the void between the 30m seal and the portal emergency door was backfilled with gravel, the service pipes were hung, the emergency door was closed, ventilation ducting and transition removed and the main fan has now been turned off permanently as ventilation is no longer required as you can only walk in up to 5 metres. This 5m area is still classified as an underground coal mine and all regulations still apply.
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November 7, 2021 11:08am
- Prince
  
  How’s the Police investigation into the ‘fan’ going ? Hahahahaha, what a great diversion that was.
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:12pm
Lee C

Re a recent submission here by my good self, in which I discussed The Lucy Principle – i.e. people who tell teh truth can be relied upon as logically truthful, I’ve hit a sticky spot.

I made two unconfirmed allegations in two separate inputs: they were both false.
One Italy had revised its covid death figures
Two Pfizer’s CEO had been arrested for fraud.

What have I learned?
Take nothing for granted and check your facts.

That’s my two slices of humble pie for the day, I will return with bombast and satire soon.

However, I can confirm that Sue Grey’s outstanding effort to get Section 7A into the Public Health Act (allowing for exemptions from vaccination) has been revoked – and will be subject to sign off by Bloomfield for 6 monthly periods.

Which suggests to me they have absolutely zero intention of returning us ‘to normal in 2022 or 2023.

Thank goodness we have electronic voting technology – as I’m sure it will be necessary for our next election. Can I get a “Yes Please!” from everyone who considered this perfectly ok for the USA recently?.

See? I told you I’d be back…..
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November 7, 2021 11:34am
NoFax

Pharmac is stating that they are near to having enough drugs to treat Covid. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/11/covid-19-new-zealand-close-to-having-enough-drugs-needed-to-treat-virus-pharmac.html

There are new drugs, and some old ones, which can effectively treat Covid and prevent hospitalisations and death and Pharmac is buying them. Pfizer has announced a new drug which is very effective which is exciting.

If this is all true then there is no reason for any mandates or any other restrictions. The restrictions are there to “protect” our health system. We have the tools now. So what’s the point? Of course the media won’t ask so maybe I will have to shout it out when the PM is in town next week 😉
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November 7, 2021 11:42am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The new Pfizer drug is a re-hashed invermectin. They couldn’t patent the original so some mods do the trick.
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:30pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Stop it with the misinformation Kev. The new Pfizer drug Paxlovid is a reworked HIV type of drug, interferes with RNA replication. Ivermectin’s primary action relates to the way things get in and out of cells.
    
    “Ivermectin is a member of the avermectin class of broad-spectrum antiparasitic agents which have a unique mode of action. Compounds of the class bind selectively and with high affinity to glutamate-gated chloride ion channels which occur in invertebrate nerve and muscle cells. This leads to an increase in the permeability of the cell membrane to chloride ions with hyperpolarization of the nerve or muscle cell, resulting in paralysis and death of the parasite. Compounds of this class may also interact with other ligand-gated chloride channels, such as those gated by the neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA).
    The selective activity of compounds of this class is attributable to the facts that some mammals do not have glutamate-gated chloride channels and that the avermectins have a low affinity for mammalian ligand-gated chloride channels. In addition, ivermectin does not readily cross the blood-brain barrier in humans”
    
    “PAXLOVID™ is an investigational SARS-CoV-2 protease inhibitor antiviral therapy, specifically designed to be administered orally so that it can be prescribed at the first sign of infection or at first awareness of an exposure, potentially helping patients avoid severe illness which can lead to hospitalization and death. PF-07321332 is designed to block the activity of the SARS-CoV-2-3CL protease, an enzyme that the coronavirus needs to replicate. Co-administration with a low dose of ritonavir helps slow the metabolism, or breakdown, of PF-07321332 in order for it to remain active in the body for longer periods of time at higher concentrations to help combat the virus.
    
    PF-07321332 inhibits viral replication at a stage known as proteolysis, which occurs before viral RNA replication. In preclinical studies, PF-07321332 did not demonstrate evidence of mutagenic DNA interactions.”
    
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    November 7, 2021 5:45pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Citation?
    
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    November 7, 2021 6:48pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Googling returns an astounding number of ‘fact check’ hits. That alone make me suspicious that the drugs are somewhat similar. Still, claims and counterclaims are a bit pointless when a couple of days of independent lab testing will establish the degree of similarity.
      
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      November 7, 2021 6:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That’s a great heads I win/tails you lose argument right there.
        Bullshit claim is not refuted = claim must be true.
        Bullshit claim is refuted = seems suspicious.
        
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        November 7, 2021 7:21pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        No, not really. I’m saying that proper lab analysis will confirm how similar these drugs might be. That’s all.
        
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        November 7, 2021 7:51pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It was pointed out to Kev yesterday that this claim was bullshit. He is, of course, impervious to information that counters his nonsense.
      
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      November 7, 2021 7:19pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

‘Why some male animals kill infants’

infanticide (n) ….where adult males eliminate the offspring of their competition and get the female back to full baby-making capacity faster. Females that mate with multiple males make it hard for any one male to know that he is, or is not, the father of her offspring.

– Science Report (p841)
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November 7, 2021 11:46am
- Don Beckett
  
  Yes, lions are one of the main culprits. Just don’t hang with lions Maggie. 😆
  
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  November 7, 2021 12:15pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Rotary a better option then?
    
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    November 7, 2021 1:15pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    So are gangsters.
    
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    November 7, 2021 1:43pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes. Which is why women who have multiple children with multiple fathers are retarded. Incidence of such behaviour in the Chinese community? Close to zero.
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:42pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Incidence in NZ caused by welfare
    
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    November 7, 2021 1:51pm
Fletch

I see that Disney has fired Emilio Estevez from the popular ‘Mighty Ducks’ streaming series for not being vaccinated….

https://deadline.com/2021/11/emilio-estevez-leaving-the-mighty-ducks-game-changers-season-2-gordon-bombay-covid-vaccine-mandate-1234868978/

The whole world has just gone mental.
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November 7, 2021 11:55am
- Don Beckett
  
  Maybe, but there are still a few sane ones like us, Fletch. Maybe the vaccine IS the problem. 😆
  
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  November 7, 2021 12:16pm
- MCos
  
  Tai Webster was chucked out of the Breakers because he refused to get vaccinated.
  He now has a new job with Žalgiris Kaunas, which also has a vaccine mandate; so he did.
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:17pm
  - Nickc2
    
    There are hypocrites everywhere MCos. At least we know where ours are, they’re either in the MSM or Parliament.
    
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    November 7, 2021 1:30pm
Fletch

Mandate freeze in the U.S

A federal appeals court blocked the Biden administration’s vaccine mandate on Saturday, just two days after the administration issued the law through the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. The rule requires employees at companies with 100 or more workers to get the jab by Jan. 4 or be tested for the virus weekly to avoid getting fired or racking up massive fines.

The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a temporary stay, freezing President Joe Biden’s COVID-19 mandate. The court’s decision came in response to a joint petition from entities in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Utah.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/06/u-s-federal-appeals-court-temporarily-blocks-bidens-vaccine-mandate/

https://twitter.com/KenPaxtonTX/status/1457045775251292164
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November 7, 2021 12:22pm
- Bluegrass
  
  Unfortunately the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals only covers Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi.
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:18pm
Truman lodge

My prediction is that Aucklanders will not be allowed out at Xmas. Just because Vaxinda says so doesn’t mean SQUAT!!!

If the bars and restaurants open mid December what hope do they have if Auckland is empty. I actually predict level 4 end of November for a sharp 2 weeks before allowing full freedom on Dec 14 with no restrictions.

Catch is Auckland stays cut off till Feb.
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November 7, 2021 12:24pm
- Scooter
  
  I think she will allow 4 days open over Xmas (24 to 27). That way she thinks she’s being kind but just enough to keep control and not long enough for people to travel too far. Don’t want the plebs to have too much freedom.
  
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  November 7, 2021 11:11pm
Ra Henare

Why hasnt the Government expanded its thinking on getting Kiwis home?

How about making Queenstown a “”sandbox””.
Get all the locals vaxxed and allow the place to cater for unlimited inbound vaxed and tested Kiwis from low risk places.

Returnees would get to stay in the town area for 5 days, get another negative test then go home.

Vaxed families could join them for the 5 days.

Hospitality/jobs would be winners
Kiwis coming home would be winners.
The governmnet might look good!

Then leave all that other MIQ for peeps coming from dodgy places.
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November 7, 2021 12:56pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Queensland is allowing overseas returns in at 80% vax.
  Southern DHB is already 80% double jabbed!
  https://www.covid19.qld.gov.au/government-actions/queenslands-covid19-vaccine-plan#_domestic
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:20pm
  - MCos
    
    I spoke to my nephew the other day. He lives in a small town in the middle of Southland which is 46% fully vaccinated.
    He is overweight, diabetic & unvaccinated. Mr Bug loves guys like him.
    He’s not anti-vax, but doesn’t want to put himself out.
    The way he was talking I think he expects the government to lay it on a plate if they want him to get vaccinated.
    
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    November 7, 2021 2:16pm
- MCos
  
  I’m sure Mayor Bolt would love that idea.
  
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  November 7, 2021 1:20pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Yep:-) Good restricted road access so easy to police(relatively)
    
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    November 7, 2021 2:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Those overseas are mostly not Labour voters. Not wanted here, especially if Jaspinda loses her shit and calls a snap Election. It is possible to throw the toys out of the cot – even if it means getting back in bed with the Greens
  
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  November 7, 2021 2:19pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Overseas Kiwis can vote!
    So no sense keeping them out on that basis.
    
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    November 7, 2021 4:04pm
Stu2

Thinking Christmas, an issue that has not been dealt with is the early doses. March doses will be nine months old at Christmas, good for protection from a serious outcome but not much good at preventing infection.

Those vaccine certificates won’t mean much.

I wonder if the vaccinated but infected are any more likely to asymptomatic?
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November 7, 2021 1:01pm
Observer of Life

Apologies if this has already been listed but have t had time to go through GD today.
As much as Rap isn’t my thing. This is an excellent song.
“Freedom Over Fear” (Dear Jacinda).
I hope it goes to No.1. By a guy called R.E.D.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jm_F46bToFI&feature=share
Some of my favourite lyrics …
“If we can’t celebrate life .. are we really alive?”
“I pray if god exists he ignores you when you die.”
“Got me dodging’ needles like I’m a fuckin’ ninja!!”
Brilliant!!
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November 7, 2021 1:04pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

“Why is ZB still promoting it as… ‘The Devlin Radio Show’
if Marty has had to take NZME to Court to ask for his job back?”

Asking for a girl at tennis
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November 7, 2021 1:06pm
Fletch

He should be in a nursing home. He really should.

He is supposed to be committed to reducing emissions – but when President Joe Biden produced a little natural gas of his own at the COP26 summit, it was audible enough to make the Duchess of Cornwall blush.

An informed source has told The Mail on Sunday that Camilla was taken aback to hear Biden break wind as they made polite small talk at the global climate change gathering in Glasgow last week.

‘It was long and loud and impossible to ignore,’ the source said. ‘Camilla hasn’t stopped talking about it.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10172959/Camilla-stopped-talking-hearing-President-break-wind-chat-Cop26-summit.html
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November 7, 2021 1:08pm
- lifesgood
  
  Thanks for the laugh. Priceless!
  
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  November 7, 2021 3:54pm
- Ed Snack
  
  I heard that’s related to what happened in Rome with the Pope. The Pope told Joe that just talking about it wasn’t enough. He should follow through with his methane emissions…
  
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  November 7, 2021 5:49pm
Colville

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/126912221/covid19-the-labour-party-conference-that-was-meant-to-be-very-different#comments

Comments closed at 23.

50% hate Cindy.
25% just distrust her.
25% sycophants.

Collins just needs to keep quiet and let Labour keep shooting its self in the feet. Its going to get messy.
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November 7, 2021 1:20pm
Nickc2

I’m picking Akld won’t be in lockdown during the wedding.
Alternatively, there will be tons of border exemptions for her Akld Guests.
What’s the bet her foreign guests don’t have to go through MIQ?
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November 7, 2021 1:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Isn’t there anywhere in Auckland available for Our Dear PM’s wedding do?
  
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  November 7, 2021 2:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She is avoiding Auckland, someone told her we hate her guts.
    Unless she holds the wedding in a hangar at Whenuapai – full security out there
    
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    November 7, 2021 2:08pm
  - nathie
    
    Sadly most venues will be totally ruined (financially) by then?!
    
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    November 7, 2021 2:10pm
  - Nickc2
    
    It’s Gisborne or nothing I believe.
    
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    November 7, 2021 2:12pm
    - sooty
      
      Going to be nothing then!
      
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      November 7, 2021 3:22pm
      - Nickc2
        
        I’ll leave that one alone sooty. I’ve had one comment removed already today.
        
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        November 7, 2021 3:40pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    A temporary resort could be created on the Auckland Islands.
    
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    November 7, 2021 6:27pm
MCos

Before this pandemic came along I read a novel by Scott Turow called The Last Trial.
The gist of the story was a guy had come up with a wonder cure for cancer that was a real life saver for thousands of patients who would otherwise have died.
The problem was during the trials a very small number of people had died from the side effects and he’d used some jiggery pokery to cover it up.
His lawyer was a mate of his and it was his last trial.
There was a side issue, brought up in the book, but not relevant to the trial.
The drug was taken off the market meaning multiple people would now die from cancer as opposed to the small number who would die from the drug.
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November 7, 2021 1:51pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  A restatement of the trolley problem?
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
  
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  November 7, 2021 3:44pm
Stu2

Counties Manukau DHB hit 90% single dose, 80% double yesterday. Well done.
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November 7, 2021 1:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Relative has a microlite. Just seen photos of Mangawhai. Dead flat – even the bar, he didn’t invite me, how rude!
Did he breach the Auckland Border?
Lucky for some.
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November 7, 2021 2:04pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Uptick just for spelling Border correctly…
  
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  November 7, 2021 2:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Iceland has 89% of its over 12yrs old population double vaxxed, but is now experiencing another surge in infection.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-iceland-tightens-covid-cases-surge.html
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November 7, 2021 2:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and similarly with Ireland.
  https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/1103/1257691-ireland-covid-numbers-november-2021/
  
  I don’t think 90% vaxxed is going to be our “Golden ticket” to freedom.
  
  Might be time for our Dear PM to repurpose another children’s fantasy story…
  perhaps some magic beans, or a lamp that needs polishing, or even a star to wish upon.
  
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  November 7, 2021 2:20pm
- Stu2
  
  How many are getting seriously ill? The story tells us about cases, but not their result.
  
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  November 7, 2021 2:59pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The hospitals are overflowing and these are not quickie patients.
    
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    November 7, 2021 6:29pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Closing the bars two hours earlier may not have the intended effect of reducing Covid19 transmission. Almost certainly those bars will now have a higher density of patrons during the hours that they are allowed to be open.
  
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  November 7, 2021 5:51pm
dcrane

From the Herald: “Unitec student loses both parents to virus in two weeks”

A Unitec student who lost both his parents to Covid-19 in a space of two weeks in Sri Lanka is now faced with a $25,000 bill for their hospitalisation and funeral costs.

Isuru Bodahandi, 34, said he is at a loss to how to pay the debt and is has taken on an all-nighter job as an airline online ticketing agent while also studying full time during the day.

Bodahandi first got a call from his mother saying that his 78-year-old father had a fall and was taken to hospital and later to intensive care on August 16.

“He tested positive for Covid-19 and less than 24 hours later, my father passed away,” Bodahandi said.

“This came as an absolute shock because my dad was a healthy person, he rides a motorbike and some people even said he was just like someone who is in his 40s.”

Both his parents were vaccinated, Bodahandi said.”

But get that vax kids so we can go back to normal, our government implies.

[Hah just noticed that the father may well have only “died with” the virus!]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-unitec-student-loses-both-parents-to-virus-in-two-weeks/OBHNSOZ5KLBHPGRTI2ISMYM4QY/
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November 7, 2021 2:22pm
I remember when

Observations:
Melbourne Cup day crowd at Flemington said to be 10,000, commentators suggested no more than 10,000 if you stopped counting at 9,999, cases of covid (all double jabbed) 2.
Italy v All Blacks test last night, a mixed crowd of mask wearers and those not, last Italy daily cases total on Worldometer around 7000.
Are we missing something here.
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November 7, 2021 2:39pm
Nickc2

Just when you thought US Democrats were the second most stupid Pollies in the business, think no more.
Kamala Harris wants to know if NASA can track trees by their race in the interests of environmentalism. I kid you not.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/11/kamala-asks-nasa-if-they-can-track-trees-by-race-for-environmental-justice.html
If you wanted to know who has the most stupid Pollies in the business, look no further than our Labour/Greens/Maori coalition. 3 Waters, He Puapua, Ihumatao, Maori Separatism anyone?
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November 7, 2021 2:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Labour/Greens/Maori coalition. 3 Waters, He Puapua, Ihumatao, Maori Separatism anyone?”
  Trees are ‘racist’ but try and get anyone of the above to plant one – or a few million/billion????????
  
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  November 7, 2021 4:12pm
  - Nickc2
    
    So no NASA tracking then?
    
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    November 7, 2021 4:18pm
Stu2

Stage 3.2 for Auckland after a 200 case day?

The vax levels are high in Auckland so I would make the change, but will the govt?
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November 7, 2021 3:01pm
- Inthe09
  
  They will if for no other reason than to try and convince people they are still running the show.
  
  Auckland has moved on – when you have cops openly laughing with the general public at the Governments rules you really are in trouble.
  
  The PM has no idea what she is walking into up here this week – they’ll have to stage-manage the life out of that visit. I know they’ll dismiss all the protests as ‘anti-vaxers’ and try and fob it off, but everyone can see through that lie too.
  
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  November 7, 2021 4:55pm
dcrane

Worth keeping in mind:

“Schools are major transmission points for influenza, but not for COVID. While children do get infected, their risk for COVID death is minuscule, lower than their already low risk of dying from the flu. Throughout the 2020 spring wave, Sweden kept daycare and schools open for all its 1.8 million children ages 1 to 15, with no masks, testing or social distancing. The result? Zero COVID deaths among children and a COVID risk to teachers lower than the average of other professions. In fall 2020, most European countries followed suit, with similar results.”

https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-fooled-america-opinion-1643839
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November 7, 2021 3:07pm
sooty

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Who understands the Darling Leaders, Traffic Light System!
Up Tick for Yes.
Down Tick for no.
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November 7, 2021 3:16pm
- Stu2
  
  The bit no one can explain is exactly what circumstances let you change colour. It’s vague.
  
  “At Orange, there will be increasing community transmission that is putting pressure on our health system. The whole of health system will focus its resources, but can continue to manage primary care, public health, and hospitals. There may also be an increasing risk for at-risk people.”
  
  Ok, how many cases serious enough for hospital or ICU beds would allow the level to drop from orange to red, or cause it to rise from to orange from green?
  
  How localised can the colour change be? One DHB?
  
  Vaccination is supposed to get you past this sort of stuff. It feels outdated.
  
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  November 7, 2021 5:37pm
Maggie Pie

3WATERS….. THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO Hmmm

Any truth to the rumor currently circulating in the Twittersphere, that Pfizer’s owners ‘Vanguard/Blackrock’, have secured the NZ taxpayers water-rights as collateral for the supply of vaccines?

https://twitter.com/_ROARNZ/status/1457147044703858692
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November 7, 2021 3:25pm
- Nickc2
  
  If true, it’s bye bye Cindy, don’t let the door slam you in the arse on your way out and don’t forget to take the rest of your cabal with you.
  
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  November 7, 2021 3:50pm
- dcrane
  
  So what exactly would that mean? Collateral as in if we can’t pay in the normal manner, with cash? What would be the chance of that?
  
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  November 7, 2021 5:35pm
Nickc2

Biden blows his cool! Don’t have the volume too loud or you will be blown away.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/11/true-colours-of-the-ugly-old-man.html
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November 7, 2021 3:36pm
Fletch

The numbers in the latest UK Health Security Agency vaccine surveillance report look really, really bad when it comes to vaxxed vs unvaxxed. It seems that Covid is way worse amongst the vaccinated. It’s so bad that the report has dumped graphs showing the numbers and the Office of Statistics Regulation has written to those producing the report demanding that they somehow make the numbers look better –

We focused on the risk that the data presented on rates of positive cases for those who are vaccinated and those who are unvaccinated have the potential to mislead – and indeed we noted that these data have been used to argue that vaccines are ineffective.

[…]

One possibility would be to only publish rates in the vaccinated population, which are known accurately, but I recognise your concern that you are already publishing rates for both groups. The alternative would be to use the ONS population estimates, which are used in the main coronavirus dashboard but which may be flawed for some age groups, as you have pointed out. Given these multiple uncertainties, it is good that you are working with colleagues in the ONS on the best denominator to use in these calculations.

https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/correspondence/ed-humpherson-to-dr-jenny-harries-covid-19-vaccine-surveillance-statistics/

So yes, the data is so bad, they want to use “estimates”, for fear that people could use the actual data to show that the vaccines aren’t working (duh).

eugyppius covers it here –

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-efficacy-stats-death-watch
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November 7, 2021 3:42pm
- Ed Snack
  
  My issue with those numbers is that we don’t know how many naturally immune people are in either group. If, as is possible, there are far more naturally immune in the unvaccinated population, then the numbers might well be misleading.
  
  Given that by some estimate up to 98% of the adult population in the UK have antibodies from vaccination or infection, then there should not be many actual “unvaccinated” meaning unprotected people left.
  
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  November 7, 2021 5:55pm
mawm

There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution.
– Aldous Huxley
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November 7, 2021 3:55pm
Maggie Pie

There’s still hope for Melbourne…..

https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1457009461621522438
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November 7, 2021 4:13pm
- dcrane
  
  Desperately needed here as well. Maybe The Mother of All Protests?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126785940/groundswells-mother-of-all-protests-will-go-ahead-despite-covid19-restrictions
  
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  November 7, 2021 5:38pm
greybeard

Why is it that nobody is stating the obvious: that the daily “cases” of CV-19 are simply the known tip of the iceberg.

There will be hundreds, if not thousands, of people out there who (a) either have CV-19 and have no symptoms and are therefore not tested, or (b) who have already had CV-19 and are now immunised for good.

If this is the situation then anything other than treating sick people is a waste of time.
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November 7, 2021 4:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  #a. not tested.
  That is the plan.
  300 % tested after the boost. Then for life.
  On and on and on and on – shall I go on and on and on
  
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  November 7, 2021 5:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  The UK Health Security Agency (formerly Public Health England) publish weekly seroprevalence data by age co-cohort. It is very useful information, showing the percentage of the population that have vaccine provided and naturally provided antibodies. It would be good to have that here, although I suspect we’re not even capturing the data from routine blood testing.
  
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  November 7, 2021 5:14pm
CAKE FACE1

It is an ongoing dilemma to me why so many people support Cindy, given that she runs the worst government in our history.

I try to get clues from the socialists who post here – for example the Batty Boy, the Milky Bar Kid, and Cosy. Alas, these posters don’t post anything about their love of Cindy. Instead, their posts are mainly infantile jibes against centre-right contributors. Perhaps they want their posts to result in the opinion that socialism supporters are unintelligent, churlish and childish. So be it.

Anyway, it now seems that we may have reached a turning point. Support for Cindy appears to be finally falling fast. I’m not sure why. Her performance has been atrocious since day one, so why it should suddenly collapse now, is hard to fathom…
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November 7, 2021 5:00pm
surfing

There have been a few stories lately about noisy and disruptive neighbours and the gutlessness of councils/authorities to do anything about them.

I think there needs to be some harsher penalties, one shouldn’t need to be a lawyer to resolve this.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/orakei-barrister-seeks-restraining-order-against-neighbours-alleges-21-months-of-hell/KCTU2AU3MIVLP3IRQRCEQTWYD4/

Paywalled, but, you see the link… Orakei state housing, so you get an idea of the people that live there.Bastion point area?

It should be possible to ‘easily’ sue neighbours who make your life hell… if they have no money, the owner of the property pays. The house can be put through a forced sale if necessary. Penalties should reach up to the value of the property. Such is the nightmare that anti-social neighbours can cause.

Other associated laws need updating hand-in-hand too, such as eviction laws.

Why don’t we see Jacinda talking about this? Things that make a real difference in peoples right to peaceful enjoyment of their home?
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November 7, 2021 6:12pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The Government is protecting these people who should be in jail not a state house and are perpetuating their insane and offensive behaviour.
  
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  November 7, 2021 7:48pm
WaveyDavey

Seems like Benedict (I think it was) was right

“…despite Kāinga Ora serving five breach notices under the Residential Tenancies Act in response to 30 separate complaints, neighbours say the agency admits it’s powerless to evict the offending individuals due to a “directive” that protects antisocial state housing clients.”
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November 7, 2021 6:30pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  As I commented above. Another idiot policy from the Labour incumbent incompetents.
  
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  November 7, 2021 7:51pm
ABS4EVA

New Zealand under Cindie is part of
Aus Labours EVIL EMPIRE

Aus Labour and VIC Labour
are the Same Entity

They sing from the Same Song Sheet
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