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dcrane

In case nobody else posts this:

“New scientific findings in the prestigious Lancet Infectious Diseases journal blow a hole in the argument that workers need to get vaccinated to protect those around them.
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The journal reported Thursday that COVID-19 vaccines have “minimal” impact on preventing transmission of the delta strain. Delta is the COVID strain currently causing over 99% of U.S. cases.”

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/11/03/new_vaccine_science_shows_mandates_are_unwise_146675.html
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November 5, 2021 8:04am
- CJames
  
  Rather than posting the blog news link, you should actually post the paper. Then people can judge for themselves what is the significance. This is because reporters often read their own prejudices into stories about new papers. I note Betsy McCaughey didn’t link to the paper.
  Looking at the referenced journal https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/home it is not obvious what article she is talking about.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:28am
  - dime
    
    exactly! until i read the journal i dont trust it.
    
    the vaccine is like the new climate change. a lot of people are really committed to their own point of view.. often at the expense of the truth.
    
    im not anti-vax. i dont like the mandates though.
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:01am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The science doesn’t matter to jacinda. The vaccines have become a religion. Like climate change. You can quote data and science. Will make no difference.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:29am
- Sensible moderate views
  
  It seems t0 be this paper:
  
  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
  
  In fact the secondary attack rate (infection) of household members was 25% for vaccinated, and 38% for unvaccinated. However, due to low sample sizes this large difference of 13% was not significant. That does not mean no difference, it just means the study was underpowered for the conclusion, and requires replication and meta-analysis to get a generalisable result.
  
  The study also notes: “Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance” so these are further positive effects of vaccination.
  
  So the realclearpolitics article is flat out wrong. But it is also regrettable that the original authors of the research draw conclusions from an underpowered study. If a 13% difference is not significant … I mean, how would that play in political polling? Winston not significantly different from the Greens in levels of support ????
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:49am
  - Fletch
    
    And keep reading –
    
    “Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts.”
    
    I thought the whole point of the govt vaccine targets here and the passports was to stop people getting infected “(“cases”). The results pretty much show it is pointless.
    
    As Ron Johnson said at his roundtable – if you take a look at the UK, of the people who have died from Covid in the last 7 and a half months, 63% have been fully vaccinated. In the last 4 weeks, 78% of those who have died have been fully vaccinated. He also says, if you have a flow chart –
    
    Are Covid-19 vaccines effective?
    YES – then mandates are pointless
    NO – then mandates are pointless
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:05am
    - rouppe
      
      Note the term “breakthrough infection”. This mean an infection that you get after vaccination.
      
      If the chance of an unvaccinated person getting infected is 100%, and the chance of a vaccinated person getting infected is 25% then by extension you have limited transmission as a whole because there are fewer hosts tan there would have been.
      
      Once you are infected, well then the body will behave a lot like an unvaccinated person’s body…
      
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      November 5, 2021 12:21pm
      - Batman
        
        On your last point, vaccination has been shown to result in mild symptoms and reduce the risk of hospitalisation and death ten fold.
        
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        November 5, 2021 1:34pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        No batty, the protection against severe Covid-19 is NEVER 10x, and what protection there is attenuates just as does protection from initial infection. Refer to this chart taken from a recent 9-month Swedish study of 1.4 million people.
        
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        November 5, 2021 1:46pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      There is really nothing surprising about that. The numbers of deaths in the UK fell to close to zero, but they are now picking up a bit.
      
      https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
      
      Most of the unvaccinated who die are vulnerable people in their 50s and 60s.
      
      The vaccinated people who die are vulnerable people in their 80s and 90s. Remember something like 99.9 percent of over 80s are vaccinated.
      
      But look at those massive earlier peaks of deaths in the chart I posted – you will never see those peaks again – because of the vaccines.
      
      You will see the same trend in New Zealand. Let’s take Auckland. It may well get to a vaccination rate of 95 percent which is pretty amazing. As the virus gets going, we will not see high numbers of deaths. But most of the deaths will be very vulnerable vaccinnated old people. With the balance being mostly unvaccinated vulnerable middle aged people. This is because there are virtually NO unvaccinated old people.
      
      I hope that helps.
      
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      November 5, 2021 2:02pm
    - Jim
      
      Yes most intriguing weekly results in the UK Gov Covid Vaccine Surveillance Reports that indicate that since August more and more fully vaccinated (than unvaccinated) people (30-90 y/o) are getting the virus, being hospitalised and dying. Perhaps those ‘accredited journalists’ could take a look and work out what questions to ask the NZ Gov next week!
      https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports
      
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      November 5, 2021 7:44pm
  - mawm
    
    The SAR for the unvaccinated 38% has a 95%CI of 24 – 53% – ie within the range of 25% for the vaccinated. They cannot draw a conclusion that the vaccinated are less likely to be infected.
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:05am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yes, well spotted.
      
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      November 5, 2021 1:48pm
- waituna
  
  Pretty sure its this one
  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:58am
- Simon
  
  Labo with mandatory vaxxing 17 year old restaurant workers so 65 year old obese “can feel safe” when visiting a restaurant.
  
  Act & Natioanl supports this as well? Fairly sure they do. Mandatory vaxxing cafe employees.
  
  The rational for vaxxing 17 year old who work in close contact business like bars, cafes etc is that customers, who are vaxxed, are safe from the unvaxxed.
  
  Though Cindy did say “Feel Safe” She didnt actually mean “for real Safe”
  
  There are obese walking around like they are bullet proof after double jab. Winter 2022 is going to be a train wreck.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:07am
  - Sensible moderate views
    
    Yes the hatred and discrimination for being obese almost certainly reduces health outcomes, as it would for any group subject to similar vilification.
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:34am
    - Simon
      
      Not sure what you mean? No one is making it mandatory for being obese?
      
      Obese and otherwise please check Oxford Univ covid risk calculator.
      
      https://qcovid.org/
      
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      November 5, 2021 10:40am
    - bronny1
      
      You mean like the vilification the unvaxxed are getting?
      
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      November 5, 2021 5:44pm
  - The Feed
    
    This virus is the great truth provider.
    
    The woke can delude themselves about “fat shaming” and how it’s okay to be huge and to be “body positive”, but the Corona virus cares not about Marxism.
    
    Those encouraging obesity will be increasing the vulnerability of the population.
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:05am
- surfing
  
  Assume you mean this study…
  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
  
  “realclearpolitics” cherry picked parts from this paper that suited their agenda, and ignored the parts that did not. e.g, they ignored the part that says vaccinated people have a shorter infectious period ….
  
  “unvaccinated cases in this study had moderate-to-severe infection, which is known to be associated with prolonged shedding”….
  “clearance of delta viral RNA in vaccinated cases was faster than in unvaccinated cases”…
  
  The paper’s purpose is to investigate transmissibility variability between vaxxed and unvaxxed within households (not between households or casual public transmission).
  
  So, yes, within a household of people living together in close contact, vaccination benefits are hard to see. It might be that constant exposure is a factor in transmission.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:22am
WaveyDavey

They’re still at it. C*nts

Three-quarters of 2022 could be spent at ‘red’, cases could hit 500 a day – Shaun Hendy
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November 5, 2021 8:07am
- Frank the tank
  
  Nah just salty his invite to the wedding has been recinded. Gav had already planned his flight to Gizzy.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:32am
- fernglas
  
  Hendy seems to be another who happily assumes that 5-11 year old children should be vaccinated to help the Government’s figures look better
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:33am
- westernScientest
  
  Im sure we will be getting upwards of 500 cases a day nest year, but the idea we will still be using the traffic light system is ridiculous. It will be different flavors of cake or something by then. DPFs spreadsheet is going to have to get a lot bigger.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:34am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    ‘Rona’s in the ‘naki now
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:29am
  - surfing
    
    Maybe it is another way of saying the traffic light system is a waste of time.
    
    I’d think a simpler system could be in order…keep up with the vaccination programme, and stay at home and isolate when sick. Does that extend to the whole bubble? Probably, because odds are fairly high that everyone inside the bubble will get sick.
    
    Otherwise, everything else returns back to the pre-covid days. Not really a fan of vaccine passports or forcing people to take the vaccine by making their lives miserable.
    
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    November 5, 2021 12:05pm
  - bronny1
    
    Of course we will, we are getting near 200 now with auckland locked down and the rest of the country largely covid free. But cases are not what we should measure….
    
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    November 5, 2021 5:46pm
- Cinematic
  
  Yep it’s their moment in history and they’re not letting go of control. It’ll have to be ripped from their deathly grasp.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:34am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes. Utter lunatic. He is the COVID equivalent of Greta on climate change.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:34am
  - Taieri
    
    Actually, although less well known, he’s much worse. Greta is just an addled teenager, Professor Hendy MNZM FRSNZ is an official, government endorsed “expert”.
    
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    November 5, 2021 8:58am
  - Simon
    
    “Yes. Utter lunatic.”
    
    You left out “well paid”
    
    Maybe not a lunatic at all………
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:09am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    I’m wondering if Hendy’s sister will want her voice heard on climate change in aotearoa?
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:31am
  - Aquataur
    
    More like Goebbels
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:51am
- crikey
  
  Whenever Hendy appears someone should be walking in front of him carrying a red flag (or maybe a bulb of garlic).
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:01am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Help is on its way–the scamdemic can’t last forever:
  https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/groundbreaking-israeli-study-shows-how-covid-proteins-attack-heart-and-blood-vessels
  
  Enough people have now been “vaccinated” for its effects to be seriously emerging.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:05am
  - mawm
    
    The research is about the virus not the vaccine. The last line inserted in that article is a non sequitur.
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:13am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Welcome from the independent Republic of Blobby.
  
  Life has been good since we declared 1 November freedom day.
  
  It saddens us to see you all suffering so much.
  
  We don’t watch the local news but I did come across a clip from Hipkins, question, why does he look like he is about to shit his pants?
  
  My thoughts he does not believe the shit he was dribbling, or is he afraid he is losing control.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:06am
  - Flossie
    
    Yes he does come across like a rabbit in the headlights. I’m sure he doesn’t believe all he’s instructed to tell us.
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:25am
- ecco
  
  Wish he’d exhibit a bit of skill and predict hospitalisations and deaths. Case predictions alone are irrelevant.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:36am
- cmm
  
  I would be very surprised if it doesn’t hit thousands a day. In fact, it’s a big problem if it doesn’t.
  
  If we’re only messing around with 500 a day it will take a a decade before the pandemic is over. We really need it to hit at least 5000 a day at some point.
  
  I suppose keeping it alive forever would be perfection for them – keeping the CV19 trough going forever.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:21am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Exactly…
    
    As some of us have been saying since forever, the only way this ends is for it to become endemic
    
    Nothing else is or was ever going to happen
    
    The only arguments of any value are (1) how many deaths are we willing to tolerate and (2) how do we mitigate its impact
    
    This govt sold us a pup with their zero-Covid, zero-deaths nonsense and the stupid children running NZ’s media allowed them to get away with it
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:34am
- dcrane
  
  Guess the plan is to extend the pandemic – and its useful distraction from He Puapua etc. – to just before the 2022 holidays, and then “return freedoms” to a relieved nation who will come back from holiday to a snap election.
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:36am
- sharont
  
  I think there should be people prepared to block his door every day so he is effectively locked in and see how he feels about that. He was the one who predicted 80,000 deaths in New Zealand and scared the old ladies.
  
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  November 5, 2021 1:18pm
Andrei

Apparently Stuff has a journo in a position known as the “EXPLAINER EDITOR”. one Kevin Lynch

Today he has an article replete with tables and colourful charts to “explain” why more vaccinated individuals are dyung from Covis in the UK than unvaccinated ones.

There is more than enough data and turgid text there to make the most ardent numberfile’s eyes glaze over.

But the take away is the vaccine is not 100% effective at preventing infection or “death”

And that is all fine and dandy – the vaccine reduces but doesn’t eliminate your chances of dying from Covid

But omitted entirely are the dowensides of the vaccine itself which carries some undetermined risks of serious illness and/or death = this is a matter to be swept under the rug as yet

The question at the individual level therefore becomes what is this persons chances of dying from Covid balanced against their chances of dying from the vaccine

The million dollar question that should be answered before blindly mass vaccinating the entire population including children.

Thankyou for yor attention
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November 5, 2021 8:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We need immunity tests, but the Govt is not going to do that. Exposes their fear porn and control. Some may have had Coid and not even known. They will have natural immunity and therefore do NOT need to be vaccinated.
  We are being played by the communists
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:28am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    The bottom line, sooner of later everyone will get covid. Everybody who gets covid will have antibodies. Antibody tests were available and quickly banned, they still are.
    
    So 1. You need to vaccinate everyone to cover that up. Natural antibodies are better and last longer. So endless vaccine shots will be required.
    
    2. Segregation is required to keep the unvaccinated safe from the vaccinated.
    
    The imperfect vaccine does not Sterilize the virus and allows transmission, the only benefit is that you won’t get as sick. But people will still die.
    
    This means the vaccinated can carry a bigger viral load, before they start to show symptoms. This is not good for the unvaccinated.
    
    Also lockdowns isolated the virus and caused less transmissable strains to die out and more transmissable strains to take over.
    
    The imperfect vaccine killed off weaker strains and allowed hotter more deadly strains to take over.
    
    Now comes the conspiracy theory.
    
    Only half the world’s population will be vaccinated at some stage the more transmissable, more virulent strains will hit the rest of the world, the effect will be devastating for populations that don’t have access to or cannot afford to purchase the vaccine.
    
    A modern day sead the blankets with smallpox.
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:32am
  - mawm
    
    There is every epidemiological reason not to mass inoculate and every medical principle to treat the disease early…. and both are being ignored, and an unreasonable amount of fear generated by the authorities and press just so that they get everybody jabbed. Why?
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:22am
    - Clownworld
      
      When the actions are illogical, non-scientific and responses irrational…if it walks,talks and acts like a duck then it probably is …
      
      A death cult?
      A globalist cabal?
      Just a massive global coincidence?
      A large worldwide mistake?
      The butterfly effect?
      Evolution?
      Nothing to see here?
      Just comply and stop asking questions?
      
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      November 5, 2021 1:30pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Why? Control
      
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      November 5, 2021 1:52pm
- Cinematic
  
  Basically what we have is a severe flu season and a seasonal flu vaccine. The rearview mirror numbers support this.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:36am
  - sharont
    
    Exactly, the same in Australia if you check the flu numbers and deaths from flu.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:24pm
- kevn
  
  @Andrei… Funny how MOH ash is so stuck on Pfizer. Options for those waiting for Novavax and Valneva don’t register with him. How tight is the Pfizer purchase contract?
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:54am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Follow the money.
    
    Always follow the money.
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:09am
    - kevn
      
      @Mr_B… Indeed. Even though Valneva is providing 100 million doses to the UK and Novavax is a big success in Indonesia.
      The NZ MOH website even have Novavax as becoming available in NZ…soon. How odd.
      Politics not the people?
      Should we talk about the virtually zero Pfizer jab exemptions?
      NZ docs have been told NO exemptions. How odd.
      
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      November 5, 2021 9:27am
  - emmess
    
    Dr Ashley Bloomfield (brought to you by Pfizer) -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlL5_kKyLA0
    
    https://player.fm/series/the-mike-hosking-breakfast/dr-ashley-bloomfield-director-general-of-health-say-government-are-working-to-improve-testing-turnaround-times
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:16am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Was Blofeld the guy that was stupid enough to take complimentary box tickets from NZ cricket about the time they were trying to get priority for vaxes and MIQ slots?
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:14am
Yvette

Labour’s first conference since the 2020 election kicks off on Friday night and the biggest order of business will be how the party elects the leader who will replace Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
… Ardern’s speech on Saturday afternoon will be the centrepiece, and the only part of the conference which will play out in public.
The rest will be held in closed session, including a vote on the biggest change proposed at the conference: the way Labour will elect its leader when the time comes for Ardern to go.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/replacing-jacinda-ardern-labour-party-leadership-rules-on-agenda-at-first-post-election-conference/AU5T7R3KECZW2UB2YEF5LH57L4/

“The way Labour will elect its leader” – “the way” – that sounds like kicking this issue down the road, as the current Leader has lead Labour to do with almost anything: kick it down the road.
My bet is they will vote to elect a Working Committee to consider it and Report back – to a group who will further consider it (like mental health policy)

But “When the time comes for Ardern to go” – that could be about any time now …
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November 5, 2021 8:09am
- alloytoo
  
  1. Announce the announcement.
  2. (To be decided)
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:37am
- kowtow
  
  To be consistent they must give 50 % control to the Maoris ……….
  
  or is that only for when non Labour Plebs issues are in contention .
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:54am
- Gravelroad
  
  I’m picking Hipkins – although he might have been kneecapped by his “you must get state controlled permission to leave Auckland for your hols” gaffe.
  Wonder who told him say that?
  Someone in Ardern’s politburo of spin?
  Or a competing leadership candidate?
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:22am
  - alloytoo
    
    oh it will be Robertson, she’ll resign (like Key did) and Robertson will become PM without a shot fired.
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:41am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Could be, but if so it will be 3 months AFTER the election – not before. Snap election sometime soon while they still might retain enough support?
      
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      November 5, 2021 11:26am
  - Raphael
    
    I don’t know how many friends CHippy has in Labour. I know Mallard hates him
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:04pm
- Paulus
  
  Tova and Jessie will sit on the Committee after their attendance at the Conference.
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:17am
Yvette

Labour kicking the can down the road – into someone else’s backyard even –
COP-26 in Glasgow
It seems we’re proposing to meet most of our international targets for sequestering carbon by spending $5 billion on restoring forests in other countries.
[While] … Many of our native forests are being eaten to death, and dying.
Instead of seizing the opportunity to tackle climate change with nature-based solutions, it seems that the Government is proposing to do this overseas, while pursuing ecologically illiterate strategies at home.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom/cop26-anne-salmond-tiakina-te-taiao-take-care-of-the-living-world
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November 5, 2021 8:10am
- peterwn
  
  And the pie muncher says NZ can reduce emissions by closing Marsden refinery. Never mind that this would simply transfer the emissions to overseas refineries.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just same as not mining coal and importing dirty coal from Indonesia. Blame someone else is the game here
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:13am
    - Ed Snack
      
      You forget the special maths involved in climate “science”. If Indonesia mines coal and exports it to NZ where it is burnt, NZ counts the carbon in its emissions, Indonesia counts nothing.
      
      If NZ mines coal and sends it to Indonesia where it is burnt, then NZ counts the carbon in its emissions, and Indonesia counts nothing.
      
      All perfectly fair and understandable, as long as you realise that the intention is not to actually account for emissions but to penalise certain countries for their sins.
      
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      November 5, 2021 10:02am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Please show where it says that, thanks
        
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        November 5, 2021 11:46am
- G152
  
  Foreign leaders flew into that conference.
  Some bought their own road transport by plane, dozens of aircraft to carry all the crews, protection and backup.
  Accommodation, wouldn’t be a unit at a motel, more like $40 – $50,000 a day.
  And what with the food and fancy booze I can REALLY appreciate the hardships they had to go through to attend CON (whatever number we’re up to)…
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:28am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes that does seem stupid.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:37am
- Taieri
  
  So, Anne Salmond is now also an expert on climate change and a forester? What a polymath!
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:00am
- KevO'Brien
  
  More borrowed money and stealing our future. Who gave them the rights?
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:07am
- emmess
  
  A bunch of Youtubers are doing far more for the environment and are having positive real-world effects than all the global elites getting flown around in their private jets to climate conferences
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV2gBU6hKfY
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXDx6DjNLDU
  
  Who would have thought, eh?
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:24am
  - Raphael
    
    The Lock Picking Lawyer featured them as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwH-11DiHWo
    
    (only time he’s ever endorsed a cause)
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:06pm
- Jack5
  
  Salmond in the article Yvette links to talks of “monocultural exotic tree plantations”.
  
  Is there anything more monocultural than wanting only trees that are indigenous to your own country.
  
  And how indigenous are these trees any way. Doesn’t the magnificent southern beech grow also in Chile and southern Argentina, and manuka in Tasmania and southern Australia?
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:34am
  - Raphael
    
    having worked in the Forestry industry (in South Africa) commercial timber plantations do tend to have way less natural fauna and flora.
    
    I think it’s the worst way to do “carbon banking” especially as most of those trees are going to be cut down in a few years.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:09pm
  - lifesgood
    
    There are heaps of cabbage trees in Ireland too.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:23pm
westernScientest

Yesterday I asked what countries people might suggest moving to and I was somewhat surprised at the level of response. Its not something that I have really considered seriously since university, but am definitely starting to think about it now. Thank you for the resonances, now in the same vane;

What are peoples experiences who have moved out of New Zealand, where did you go, and how do you find life there?
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November 5, 2021 8:12am
- fernglas
  
  If you haven’t already realised that New Zealand is a rather sad little place on the wrong side of the world, then you may have left it a little late
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:31am
  - westernScientest
    
    cutting the cable would fix that problem….
    
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    November 5, 2021 12:26pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Hungary
    
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    November 5, 2021 4:09pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  South Western USA, western Canada, Tasmania, Perth would be my candidates for English speaking places to move to.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:40am
  - dime
    
    “South Western USA, western Canada”
    
    im on board with that.
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:05am
    - westernScientest
      
      interesting, why Western Canada, but not the rest?
      
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      November 5, 2021 9:25am
      - Jack5
        
        The climate of southern British Columbia, might be an attraction. There’s little snow in Vancouver.
        
        And not far south is Seattle in Washington state. It’s temperate on the coast around there, too. Forests and sea.
        
        Further inland, western Canada remains entrepreneurial and progressive, if you can adapt to the winters.
        
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        November 5, 2021 12:21pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Simple: Climate. You been to Montreal in February? I have 🙂
        
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        November 5, 2021 6:41pm
    - dcrane
      
      How is western Canada managing the pandemic? I hope not in the same iron-fisted way as the east.
      
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      November 5, 2021 11:38am
    - lifesgood
      
      Good lord, isn’t Sth Western USA Democrat woke land?
      
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      November 5, 2021 1:25pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        NO
        
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        November 5, 2021 6:41pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Tassy is like the West Coast only even more infected with Greens and “greenism”. Nice enough maybe, but I don’t think you would want to live there.
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:04am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Have you been there in the last two years? You are mistaken.
      
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      November 5, 2021 6:42pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Actually, no, not in last two years. So you may be right that it has changed.
        
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        November 5, 2021 7:45pm
  - rouppe
    
    California? Really?
    
    Isn’t LA all “sanctuary city” and all that? Prius’s everywhere…?
    
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    November 5, 2021 12:32pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I was meaning Arizona, Nevada and New Mexico.
      
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      November 5, 2021 6:43pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Agree I was referring to California.
      
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      November 5, 2021 9:09pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Both of my older kids are increasingly committed to leaving for overseas. However, despite having a Golden Ticket in the form of US citizenship my daughter is reluctant to move even to Texas because she’s convinced that “civil unrest” is going to break out at some stage, as in Civil War 2.0.
    
    She’s talked of the UK for her work and. yeessh. I’ve shown her the articles on hos British cops are dealing with online “hate speech”.
    
    Sigh. The household debates continue.
    
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    November 5, 2021 12:37pm
- Flossie
  
  I did mention my Australian experience yesterday. I also lived the best part of a decade in a Pacific island nation which I liked at the time but these days they’ve got more “we know better and don’t want you expats”.
  Wherever you go be prepared to be the outsider and expect to be told if you criticize anything that “if you don’t like it go back to your own country”
  Lots of upsides too of course but it does give you perspective on what you’ve left back here.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:04am
  - westernScientest
    
    Thanks for your comment yesterday. I have quite a good friend who went to Aus about a year ago and, while different, has said things along the same lines. Interestingly one of her biggest complaints is that the fresh produce sucks, and it costs more to buy half decent meat etc. sure you can get it cheaper, but to get
    a similar quality as a butcher here costs more. It also sounds like you have to pay a bunch of other taxes/insurance on top of the normal taxes which makes the incomes etc. not that much better.
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:24am
    - Flossie
      
      Agreed. Just an example people will tell you petrol is cheaper. Sure is, but (in Qld anyway) to register a four cylinder car was over $800. Going to the doctor was cheaper but the prescription could be $100 plus. Lots of other examples.
      
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      November 5, 2021 10:37am
    - Paulus
      
      Likewise if you want fresh (sic) fruit – say apples they are selected for you.
      
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      November 5, 2021 11:20am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Australia is by no means perfect. Apart from Tasmania it is too hot for my liking. But the people are generally optimistic. I looked at some data a couple of years ago that showed that Maori who move to Australia have similarly successful outcomes, adjusted for education levels. Of course it is no mystery why. There is no Treaty industry in Australia.
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:49am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Every group that leaves any country is more successful than the ones that stay behind. They are a self-selected sample with higher skills, higher energy level, and the confidence that they will be able to find work and succeed without relying on others.
      
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      November 5, 2021 10:11am
    - Ed Snack
      
      If most of Australia is too hot, try Melbourne – it can be way too hot and too damn cold all in the same day, when a southerly buster comes through !
      
      I haven’t been there, but around Albany in southern West Australia sounds like a reasonable climate most of the time.
      
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      November 5, 2021 7:49pm
  - kowtow
    
    They like the colour of “expat” money though.
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Alaska. But at 69 I dunno about the cold (Fairbanks minus 65C in winter)
  However, Anchorage summer is just like Auckland summer
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:16am
  - westernScientest
    
    Alaska is probably awesome, Had a quick look at industries, did not expect to see this:
    
    However, the long sunny summer days make it the most productive growing season. Some of the crops cultivated in Alaska include cabbage, lettuce, carrots, and potatoes, among others.
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Huge place, but pop is somewhere like 730K, with 300K in Anchorage alone. Not a lot of people. Crop growing season is short but they grow fast.
      The midnight sun is an awesome thing to see. Sun went just below the horizon and came up 15 min later
      
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      November 5, 2021 10:25am
- ecco
  
  NZ is a great place to live if you have enough money. It’s a sh*t of a place to live if you don’t have enough money, especially Auckland and Wellington.
  
  Go where the money is. Or else you could stay here and try and save and invest on the sideline so you will be financially independent, rather than being a wage slave. ie develop an investment portfolio that eventually earns more than your salary. They don’t call compounding the eighth wonder of the world for nothing!
  
  However the Auckland housing prices make this strategy almost impossible if you don’t already have a house there or inherited money for the deposit. That’s really sad. The FIRE movement is worth looking into or the mr money mustache movement. (google this). There is an NZ arm of this movement on facebook (or now Meta Platforms ?)
  
  Could invest in Bitcoin and do it from NZ! Here’s a great article on crypto from the crypto bulls. If you are in your 30s you have time on your side and crypto is definitely worth a shot.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRR0sOu_dWo
  
  Good luck and let us know what you decide ?
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:52am
  - westernScientest
    
    Interesting stuff, we are actually doing a lot of that mr money moustache stuff already, even though I hadnt herd of it. Neither of us are particularly consumerist by nature, we do have a mortgage, but not in a city and got in just before the market went insane, no other debt. Grow a lot of our own food, invest in things to reduce cost of living etc. dont eat out often, very really go to bars etc.
    
    One recommendation, and it saves a bit of money. Make your own beer, its not that hard, pretty fun, way cheaper if you drink a couple bottles a night, and the enjoyment of knowing your not paying the taxes on it so they can be spent on propaganda is immense.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:13pm
- thirteenstars
  
  My experience is mainly with the western parts of the US. They love Kiwis (and Aussies) in Arizona and Texas. New Mexico is nice but a little more liberal. California is a great place but run by the wrong people; visit it often but don’t live there.
  
  I have friends in Florida which is a lot like Texas in mindset but a little more expensive. That said, the cost of living is pretty low in the US unless you opt for a large city in a blue state.
  
  I’d go for Texas.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:16am
  - westernScientest
    
    Texas does seem to be where all the cool kids are moving these days, Musk, Rogen, Lex.
    
    Bluegrass if you want to comment on South Dakota that would be interesting.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:19pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      I don’t think my comments on SD would help you much as you are on a career path and I am retired.
      
      From Houston via Arizona I am currently a resident of [western] SD due to the zero state tax regime, and the political ambience and demographic suit me.
      
      But I am retired and spend most of my time traveling around within the US, and abroad or at sea [except that Covid has stopped the abroad/at sea bit, at the moment].
      
      SD would not suit me if I was still working. Whether such a small state would suit you, professionally, is something I can’t comment on.
      
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      November 6, 2021 12:25pm
- tf78
  
  I would move to Florida where sanity reigns.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:22am
  - Flossie
    
    I wouldn’t. Daughter and family were there for few years and said it’s no place to bring up kids. They moved to Colorado 12 years ago and love it.
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:07am
  - dcrane
    
    Well, sanity plus “Florida Man” lol
    
    Florida, Texas and Tennessee are top of my list too. Have to accept humidity though.
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:39am
- Clownworld
  
  Looking at moving back to Europe just selecting the right place compared to NZ of old. NZ as it will be based on current trajectory looks like a Southern version of Venuzela.
  
  At moment Scandinavian countries rate well affordability, health, education and job opportunities. There are pros and cons to each.
  Otherwise Eastern European emerging economirles in next 10 to 20 years may well surpass NZ.
  
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  November 5, 2021 2:11pm
Yabster

Covid is now a side issue as far as I am concerned- there are far more important issues , 3 waters, He Pua Pua, loss of democracy/freedom, race identity politics (see Davids post on White/Asian researchers getting less funding), Maorification of everything.

The cartoon sums the diversion up well:

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/cartoon-of-the-day-63
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November 5, 2021 8:14am
Warren

Shaun Hendry obviously coming to the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s side to help install fear and distress into those that doubt her honesty and integrity over COVID-19 and the Xmas holidays.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-nz-could-spend-most-of-2022-at-red-level-modeller-shaun-hendy/RQTB7I7MQJM6HILN2N5ESVP3RQ/
Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister will stop at nothing to stay in power and try to convince New Zealander’s that she has a plan.
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November 5, 2021 8:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hendy is an overpaid muppet. Bought, just like the media
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:18am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Every time I hear the name “Shaun Hendy” my blood boils.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:40am
- hullkiwi
  
  The infighting amongst Ardern, Hipkins and Robertson regarding Aucklanders and summer plans, is proof positive that not one of them (and nor St Ash for that matter) have a plan!
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:40am
  - mawm
    
    They know any plan other than letting Aucklanders have their usual summer is political death for them in Auckland. Letting Aucklanders swamp the north, the Coromandel and the Bay of Plenty, etc is political death for them in those areas. The consequences of a bad plan to manage Covid.
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:33am
- ecco
  
  The Ferald starting to leak/report there are regional covid cases in Taranaki. All a ploy to justify keeping Auckland locked down and keep regional areas in fear mode of Aucklanders getting let out.
  
  No one can even verify these ‘cases’. This government is not beyond lying to achieve their means. Why would this be any different.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In the wastewater/sewerage, how convenient. No way to track down anyone.
    Does not pass the sniff test, but it does get the testing numbers up as well as the vax numbers.
    I smell a rat, maybe 10 rats
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:56pm
Spam

Is shutting down protests for public health the new banning “controversial” speakers for health and safety reasons?
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November 5, 2021 8:16am
- Raphael
  
  This is doubleplusungood crimethink Spam. Please ref to the nearest joycamp for crimestop
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You are not allowed to think like that in Aotearoa. The woke authorities will be around to silence you soon.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:31am
  - tf78
    
    Steve, I still live in New Zealand, those rules don’t apply to me.
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The authorities will be around to change your thinking as well //
      
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      November 5, 2021 1:58pm
yossarian

So any time our esteemed Prime Minister gets any positive overseas news it’s splashed across all media about how the whole world loves her and we’re so lucky.

Yet I see only one media outlet regarding Joe Rogans attack on the her cancelling a question time after being questioned by someone non-registered.

If the overseas gloss is starting to wear off, how long before it crosses the border to NZ? Notwithstanding Joe’s audience is tens of millions.
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November 5, 2021 8:17am
- dime
  
  yeah its hilarious.
  
  some blog with a readership of 90 people claims jacinda as the best whatever and its covered in every outlet.
  
  Rogan rightfully tears her to shreds, listeners in the millions, the herald covers it.. top story in the middle of the night.. quite a bit down the front page now..
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:07am
- hullkiwi
  
  Ryan Bridge was brave enough to play it on the amShow this morning.
  
  Chances of it being played by “the accredited TVNZ”, Herald or Stuff sites, absolute zero, else they will be frozen out by the Jacinda stare.
  
  Chances of another “Plank of the Week” nomination, pretty high.
  
  I think you’ll find DPF’s polling is showing the worm is turning. Indeed our “friends” at the Stanard either:
  1. Call all anti Jax protests – extreme right; or
  2. Are getting rather glum about events.
  
  Which usually translate, they realise Jax is not hitting the right notes anymore.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:49am
Maggie Pie

How SPOOKY is this?

Dead-Ringer for Michael Jackson accused of child abduction in WA 🙁

https://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10164271/Cleo-Smith-Accused-Terry-Kellys-alleged-Bratz-doll-obsession.html
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November 5, 2021 8:17am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, do they still have tribal districts in Australia? Unless I am mistaken, he looks ‘local’.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:34am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I would guess so, I&O
    Looking at the pics of his house, could have even been somewhere like Mt Roskill.
    
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    November 5, 2021 8:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The World seems to get stranger by the day.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Been thinking about you Maggs. The flooding looked dreadful 🙁
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:41am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      We’re fine, txs
      The lake on the croquet lawn has started to drain; the waterfalls down my garden banks have turned into a trickle,
      The ducklings are paddling in the puddles in the driveway;
      I’ve cut down the whau tree that suicided on Wed Night,
      Just a light misty rain now.
      
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      November 5, 2021 10:15am
- ecco
  
  Was quite an eye opener, last night’s three news.
  Saw what sort of people were living in that Akl government housing where the covid case died. Locals could hardly string a sentence together, had lots of kids.
  
  Moved to piece on drive by shooting in Mangere. Neighbours also from a left behind cohort of society, many kids as well.
  
  Saw the locals interviewed from the town that little aussie girl got kidnapped in. Looked like people in the above two articles.
  
  Makes me feel grateful my forebears have risen out of that type of situation. Wonder if these people ever will. I do feel some of the Pacific Island population are aspirational but have great health problems. I don’t know if the maoris can ever lift themselves from these scenarios.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:04am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    No. The grim reality is that social status in our egalitarian world is largely controlled by intelligence + education and work ethic. And education rapidly diminishes in importance in adulthood.
    
    The first is mostly dictated by genetics at conception and the last two by good parenting. Intelligence is highly heritable; kids average IQ is approximately equal to average of Mum IQ, Dad IQ and 2 of population average IQ. Mum at dad at 75 will means kids average about 87 if their population average is 100 (and it is not 100 for all ethnicities, East asians are higher and many others lower). Mum and Dad = 130 will have kids average 115. Mum at 75 + 160 Sperm donor will average 109, and that right there is the only possible society-wide fix to the permanent underclass we are growing, if young thick women were just made aware of the reality their kids would have a chance at successful meaningful lives.
    
    Low intelligence parents living squalid lives on welfare and not helping their sadly and unfairly below average intelligence kids to attain a decent education or instilling any work ethic doom their kids to more of the same through genes and failed parenting. There is nothing society can do to fix that, at best they could be handed to better surrogate parents (which won’t happen in our ‘kind’ society) so the kids are doomed to shitty lives from birth.
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:01am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      There is plenty society can do to fix that. A generous welfare system encourages no-hopers to breed, while the corresponding tax burden on successful people means they can afford fewer children. Effectively making evolution run in reverse.
      
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      November 5, 2021 11:24am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Or this society can just carry on, and in 100 years get colonized/wiped out by another society that did things differently.
        
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        November 5, 2021 11:42am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Just posted your comment to FB.
        Already had over 40 likes!!
        Thnx Nige 😀
        
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        November 5, 2021 12:38pm
      - miltonF
        
        This is what I’ve been saying for years. People just don’t realise how destructive and completely unnatural socialism really is. The average IQ of NZ would literally be 10-20 points higher right now if we hadn’t had socialism for the last 20 years. It becomes a vicious cycle as low IQ people are less likely to be productive and so will vote for more and more socialism….until the whole economy collapses.
        
        This is why I’ve said in the past that we must have a minimum IQ requirement for voting rights. The alternative is a society with a continuously dropping IQ, continually evolving socialism and poverty.
        
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        November 5, 2021 1:16pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        I hold out some hope that we will eventually create medicines that can replicate the effects of whatever high IQ genetics do to increase efficiency of brain development and function for everyone regardless of DNA, probably just a matter of having optimal ratios of various regulating neurochemicals during childhood and perhaps adulthood. But that may or may not be possible. It would certainly be worth $1000’s of Trillions to the world to work on, there is certainly no area of medical research that has higher potential payoff. And it’d massively increase the potential for human happiness around the world.
        
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        November 5, 2021 2:12pm
      - Clownworld
        
        Idiocracy the movie that defines man’s dumbing down.
        
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        November 5, 2021 2:17pm
    - ecco
      
      Interesting and true!
      
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      November 5, 2021 11:44am
  - Flossie
    
    And the piece about a test drive through in Northland clearly showed a professional looking sign (along the lines of all the other covid signs) that said “Stay in You’re Car)
    
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    November 5, 2021 12:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-anchors-all-poop-pants-on-air-in-solidarity-with-biden
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November 5, 2021 8:18am
- Raphael
  
  the really sad thing is while the Bee is satire, CNN will try and follow through so that Snopes can claim that it’s not a satire.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hope Snopes do the full testing
    
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    November 5, 2021 8:34am
  - kowtow
    
    Follow through ……..poop pants ……
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:29am
- Inandout
  
  Steve, I believe Biden had a ‘Papal moment’. Being in the same room as His Eminence must be intoxicating.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:40am
  - kevn
    
    @InOut… A mask free moment as well. Divine intervention at play?
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:32am
- All_on_Red
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/mcauliffe-blames-loss-on-low-4am-ballot-turnout
  
  And in real life- look, Voter Fraud.
  They illegally changed the Law and that made it easier for fraudulent Ballot Harvesting in Rest Homes- which was exposed by relatives complaining.
  
  ‘On Wednesday afternoon, the Racine County Sheriff’s Office issued a press release announcing it had forwarded to the county district attorney recommended charges for election fraud against five members of the Wisconsin Election Commission, including two felony counts.’
  https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/04/racine-county-sheriff-calls-for-felony-charges-against-wisconsin-election-commissioners/
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:42am
pdm

Spam – oh that is why Jacinda was running away in Northland, Wanganui and Hunterville.

It was for public safety.

Silly me I thought it was because the questions were too hard for her.
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November 5, 2021 8:20am
- Flossie
  
  Not too hard – just that they dared to question her at all.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:43am
cmm

Anyone thinking that lockdowns save people need to read this.

” The uptake of virtual counselling and online therapy tools had spiked during the Covid-19 pandemic, with mental health platform Clearhead triaging 500 people an hour at peak times.

Founder and chief executive Dr Angela Lim said in non-lockdown periods, the free service only had about 1000 users a month.”

From 1000 a month to 500 an hour is quite a shift.

For the vast majority of people, mental health due to government response is way more damaging than the virus itself.

All Cindy’s “Don’t talk to your neighbours” crap is extremely harmful as is all the fear porn.

Telling people the truth – like they did in Sweden – is far better for people in the end.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/126864813/ongoing-covid-lockdowns-cause-spike-in-demand-for-online-mental-health-tools
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November 5, 2021 8:20am
- westernScientest
  
  or Cindys, Take the Jab because I said so, or you cant have a job, or participate in society. I suspect this is up there with lock down stresses
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:26am
- I remember when
  
  Lebanon University research on use of Ivermectin withdrawn after errors found.
  Complete with the usual picture of a horse head.
  What next, a photo of a cow when debunking use of penicillin for some purpose.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:35am
  - alloytoo
    
    Some people were wondering why they included a pic of the PM in the article.
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:07am
    - Paulus
      
      The so called media are mandated to have as many pictures of she who has saved us as possible so you know who to vote for next time (if she is still around which I now doubt).
      Mahuta is getting her fair share of pictures too.
      
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      November 5, 2021 1:18pm
Tony Stuart

Anyone else catch this tweet from Winston Peters yesterday?

Winston Peters
@winstonpeters
Aucklanders needing a scheduled time slot to leave the city for xmas is simply nuts. It makes you wonder which clown is running this circus.
10:07 AM · Nov 4, 2021

https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1456005091157176320

Now first and foremost, this is the verified account of Rt Hon Winston Peters, retired politician. We know that, because in another tweet he sent yesterday to David Seymour, he began with the word “Sorry sunshine”!

But just who is Winston describing as a clown? Robertson? Hipkins? Ardern? On the events of this week, even if it’s only a matter of a stopped clock being right twice a day, it’s hard to argue with his logic!
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November 5, 2021 8:26am
- Yvette
  
  Parker says Hipkins’ time slot idea ‘maybe wasn’t as practical as he hoped’
  
  It was bound to happen with nine Ministers of Health – Ardern, Bloomfield, Hipkins, Little, Henare, Robertson, Verrall, Wiles and now Parker – someone was going to disagree with someone else.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:32am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    A small legal problem?
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:13am
  - Nickc2
    
    Hipkins, Little, Henare, Robertson, Verrall, Wiles and Parker have been burning the midnight oil and arrived at the ultimate plan for JAFAs to pass through Covid borders over Christmas:
    
    Drivers are to total the numbers on the vehicles number plate and if the resultant number is an even one, they can assemble to pass through the border after Covid Passport checking etc on the hour. Those whose resultant number is an odd number are to do the same but on the half-hour.
    Additional help with calculations etc will be provided by school teachers proficient in Te Reo at each border post.
    Aren’t we lucky we have such a brilliant bunch of MPs and assistants? /sarc
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:19am
    - Local Miller
      
      That’s discriminatory, what are people with custom plates, with letters only supposed to do? /sarc
      
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      November 5, 2021 11:02am
      - Nickc2
        
        Walk!
        
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        November 5, 2021 2:38pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The problem is that IF you are going to prevent unvaccinated people leaving Auckland, the only way to do that would be to stop every car, every bus, check everyone at the airport. That would be a nightmare.
    
    It seems to me that if you don’t have a booking system you need to let anyone leave Auckland. You can’t stop unvaccinated people leaving without a booking system. Of course the answer is to let anyone leave.
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:37am
    - Local Miller
      
      Not sure if you meant “let everyone leave” or “not let anyone leave”
      
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      November 5, 2021 11:03am
      - septic skeptic
        
        It could go either way. Which do you think costs the most votes?
        
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        November 5, 2021 11:48am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      I’ve been looking into possible ways of escaping Auckland. The Berlin Wall Museum has been useful: photos at the link.
      
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      November 5, 2021 12:30pm
  - ecco
    
    Peters can hardly string a sentence together in an interview. Not sure if it’s the alcohol, smoking or losing his faculties. Maybe all three…
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:07am
- pdm
  
  Robertson, Hipkins Ardern?
  
  Would that constitute a `hat trick’ for Peters?
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:33am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I guess so, given that it was Peters who made them all Ministers/PM in the first place.
    
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    November 5, 2021 8:43am
    - hullkiwi
      
      So, was Peters the clown in the first place for being the “tail that wagged the dog which clearly is flea infested” & selecting the bunch of muppets who are pretending to be a government?
      
      This given the amount of public disagreement now among cabinet ministers
      
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      November 5, 2021 9:56am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , he was the Ring Master for the biggest clown show this country’s ever seen.
      
      Or was he the ticket scalper ……for a freak show.
      
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      November 5, 2021 10:11am
  - Paulus
    
    Is that Trick or Treat ?
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:19pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Yet ironically if he holds the balance in power in 2023 (which is increasingly looking likely) he’ll still likely go with the same shit show.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:34am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I udderly reject the premise of that comment. Winston Peters will be 78 years old when the next election happens. We only have to look at Joe Biden to see how that works out!
    
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    November 5, 2021 8:56am
    - pdm
      
      Inv – you are so right.
      
      Biden probably learned to sleep on the job from watching Peters.
      
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      November 5, 2021 9:00am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Yes, in front of the cameras at an international conference.
        
        At least Reagan was honest about it, it was well known that he had time slotted in to take a nap.
        
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        November 5, 2021 9:58am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Winston Churchill was elected PM at 77. (the 2nd time)
      Finished being PM at 82?
      Maybe Winnie wants to beat that record?
      
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      November 5, 2021 10:40am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        But Churchill was highly intelligent – he could lose more and still function adequately.
        
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        November 5, 2021 12:05pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Yeah, but Churchill was pretty much past it by his last term. Was definitely losing his way.
        
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        November 5, 2021 8:25pm
- Taieri
  
  It makes you wonder which clown is running this circus.
  ————–
  
  It makes you wonder who CREATED this circus?
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:03am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That issue has been raised with Peters, and his response is to say that he had nothing to do with the selection of the current government, essentially implying that the public is to blame!
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:06am
    - Taieri
      
      “(…)the people
      Had forfeited the confidence of the government
      And could win it back only
      By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
      In that case for the government
      To dissolve the people
      And elect another?(…)
      
      Bertolt Brecht
      
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      November 5, 2021 9:29am
  - Sacha
    
    No need to wonder: the voters created this circus when they bought the image of the youth-adjacent reflection of themselves.
    It was their chance to exert their power and influence over the country, but they are about to experience what they didn’t wish for.
    
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    November 5, 2021 12:08pm
- david
  
  The answer is simple: Winston, the clown is the one you put there. Suck it up sunshine!
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:00am
- Fletch
  
  And Seymour responded with, “I believe it’s the person you made Prime Minister” ?
  
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  November 5, 2021 1:21pm
- Ehlana
  
  The clown being the one who made them government in the first place, perhaps?
  
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  November 5, 2021 1:23pm
Simon

Aucklanders time slots for leaving Auckland over summer. Looks like an internal Labo coup. Stupid policy reversed under 24 hts. Makes Cindy look bad which is probably the purpose.

Didnt expect Cindy to go until winter 2022. Lots of chatter that she is on the way out now.

What happens over the next 4 weeks will be interesting. No one does internal knifings better than Labo.
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November 5, 2021 8:27am
- pdm
  
  Simon – Possibly why they are firming up the leadership change rules this weekend.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:01am
  - mawm
    
    They must have some awful polling that is not being published by their bought and paid for news media.
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:44am
- Michael Johnston
  
  I’d love to believe this but it’s wishful thinking I suspect. Ardern might be coming unstuck but she’s still all they’ve got. If they knife her, even more if them will lose their seats in 2023.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:25am
- Weinerpoop
  
  Yeah I’ve heard the plan is she announces she wants to have more babies and resigns.
  This is why they will be changing how they elect the next leader this weekend as it will be a bloodbath. The unions will want Little, the rainbow crowd will want Robertson and the Maoris will want Henare and Hipkins could even be the dark horse that gets it by default because they can’t agree.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:48am
  - sooty
    
    Why would she leave to breed?
    6mths paid leave, nanny, limo, etc!
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:27pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Honestly, do you see Robo replacing Ardern and leading Labour to the next election?
  
  This has Lange and his “cup of tea” and the aftermath written all over it.
  
  Let’s face it all Ardern has delivered in 4 years is:
  1. The most divided and polarised country; and
  2. Power plus money to an unelected ethnic minority group.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:05am
  - Paulus
    
    On the quiet Michael Wood the transport Minister ex unionist is well up, but Mahuta has the numbers in the caucus.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:22pm
- cmm
  
  The long game for PriNZess is #CinD4UN!.
  
  She wants to keep her brand clean. She has had many successes (from a UN selection panel perspective): plastic bags, gun control, They Are Us, 90% vax etc etc.
  
  As it becomes more obvious that the eliminashun dream is going to fail and the wheels will fall off the bus, Cindy does not want to be any where near that.
  
  With the 90% vax goal so close and attainable, she will want that glory, but she won’t want to be part of the mess that is following.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:51am
  - sooty
    
    If the wheels come of the bus, will she blow her UN job?
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:28pm
fernglas

Yet again, MBIE backs down when it is told to do its job properly
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-richlister-murray-bolton-wins-landmark-test-case-against-miq-system/XQVWUQFSXDS2ULBGZX5QVGFYY4/
I don’t think they have won a single case, and it’s just a tragedy that only those with means can afford to stand up to their tunnel vision and bullying
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November 5, 2021 8:29am
Simon

NZ is pretty much finished. Nice country to visit over Jan Feb. But thats about it.

Where are people heading out too?
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November 5, 2021 8:30am
- ecco
  
  Looking at Oz and the US. However would have to look at the tax comparisons with those two countries and nz tax settings, in particular capital gains taxes and wealth taxes. Both have pretty mongrel tax regimes and tax increases are on the cards, particularly in the US.
  Property prices in Nz, Oz and the US are also a factor.
  
  Maybe even South east Asia for part of the year??
  
  A wee way off retiring but looking at nz super eligibility requirements and also health care access in those two countries when not living in nz full time.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:00am
  - Ra Henare
    
    If you are thinking about getting NZ Super after moving to USA, forget it.
    
    Time in Australia counts but BEWARE.
    MSD cardy wearers can easily decide you are not ordinarily resident in NZ when you apply.
    
    Am battling them at the moment to get clear definitions. At the moment they seem to work on feelz!!!!
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:24am
  - Aquataur
    
    I’ve looked into this in depth.
    
    Best option so far (and this is not tax or financial) advice.
    
    1. Retain NZ tax residency (by staying in NZ for more than 183 days p.a. OR having a residence here and maintaining business ties etc). Gets you out of Oz/US complex tax .
    
    2. If Oz, maintain a line that you are not in Aus permanently, but working there temporarily (for up to 5 years) and you intend to return to NZ after that time. Come back to NZ at least 1x p.a.
    
    3. Don’t know much about a move to the US
    
    4. Look at the website
    movingtoaustralia.co.nz
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:11am
    - ecco
      
      Thanks Aquataur. Very helpful.
      
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      November 5, 2021 11:51am
      - fernglas
        
        Have a look at Europe. NZ has reciprocal visa waiver schemes with most European countries which allow you to do the Schengen area 90 days, then a further 90 in the particular country, before leaving the Schengen area for a few days and then starting the whole proceeding again. If you keep your tax domicile in NZ ( home, centre of economic activity) you can basically live permanently in Europe and keep NZ super, tax residency etc.
        
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        November 5, 2021 8:41pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Sydney will get the white collar; Queensland’s South East Corridor will get the blue collar as Olympic infrastructure ramps up.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:01am
- BananaLlama
  
  Midwest U.S, Maybe central Europe if you can learn other languages.
  
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  November 5, 2021 1:50pm
Yabster

Great article on the Maorification of our universities and the decline in standards due to political interference.

I was not aware of:

“The (unbelievable) requirement for staff to take into account a student’s cultural identity when awarding passing grades”

I went to UoC back in the ninties- glad I am not attending today.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/henry-armstrong-the-capture-is-complete-the-politicisation-of-new-zealand-s-universities
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November 5, 2021 8:31am
- mikenmildagain
  
  1990s marked the sudden decline of quality in all our tertiary education institutions when the funding moved to a model based on courses and places popular with students.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:50am
  - hullkiwi
    
    You are correct. Cheque book education for bums on seats was a dumb move.
    
    I saw it in the UK too. Tutoring Year 3 students in tax accounting, when they hadn’t grasped the basics of accounting in Year 1. However, they were there because they brought funding from the government.
    
    I had flatmates in the UK who were passing papers with 40% as their end of year grade. I was then dismayed to learn it was also happening here at the same time (early 1990s).
    
    The odd thing was, that when I approached Auckland (my alma mater) about reading for a post grad degree in Business Finance, they were insisting I would have to do an intermediate year (my BCom is from Auckland). This was because they had had a number of UK students who had been failures at the post graduation level. I might add I have a MBA with distinction from a Red Brick University. Reality was, the Commerce School was happy to fill undergrad places with disregard, because this brought in the money.
    
    Thirty years later, I can testify that these policies have not helped the acumen of the NZ business community. Many of whom should not be in the jobs they hold.
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:40am
- Yabster
  
  The serial downticker is earning his labour funding today- just about every post – seems a little early in the morning though – most socialist don’t get up till after noon… a few obvious candidates…..
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:03am
- Weinerpoop
  
  For government contracts now you know need to specify how many of your staff members identify as Maori, this applied to a DHB contract I heard about recently
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:51am
Maggie Pie

I was just thinking to myself, if you want to save money during the Xmas holidays, now is probably the perfect time to tell the kids Santa didn’t make it through the pandemic.
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November 5, 2021 8:32am
- westernScientest
  
  Tell them Cindy locked him up because he wouldnt get a jab
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:37am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Let’s go Brenda.
    
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    November 5, 2021 8:53am
  - Ruahine
    
    Maybe Santa got arrested for going for a picnic with his elves in the Auckland Domain.
    
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    November 5, 2021 8:55am
    - kowtow
      
      If he was wearing red there’d be no chance of the Plodsters stepping in to stop him from doin’ nuffin’.
      
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      November 5, 2021 11:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She will refude that
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:26am
- Maggie's partner
  
  do you remember the year when you told them they were all dyslexic, and that it was actually Satan who brought their pressies?
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:10am
Spam

So 95,000 people with their first injection have missed their second.

The MOH keeps texting me to nag me into the second dose. Even though I got it a month ago. Maybe they need to look at their record keeping? Doesn’t fill
Me with confidence that they can manage the vaccine passports.
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November 5, 2021 8:36am
- Inandout
  
  Spam, two days ago I gave up on being advised of my second jab so I took the needle by the horns and made my own arrangements. While seated after the jab I heard the nurse make 3 calls for people who didn’t keep their bookings. She said second jabbers often didn’t turn up.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:46am
- Debsta
  
  Much more likely to be clerical errors and omissions, the data management has been a shit show from the beginning
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Or just plain incompetence. WDHB records have me down as ‘no known allergies’ yet I wear a Medic Alert Tag. Tried many times to get it corrected. Might have to use a Lawyer
    
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    November 5, 2021 9:30am
- Frank the tank
  
  What? you mean writing down your Kungflu jab on a piece of cardboard isn’t foolproof?
  
  Well I never………
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:53am
- Stu2
  
  With people getting doses at special events or visiting vans or buses, it seemed inevitable some would not get a second. And that’s before we get to reactions to dose 1.
  
  If MoH has no record of your second dose that means at incomplete vaccine certificate. Problem
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:04am
- godruelf
  
  Spam it may well be well worth your time checking your vaccine record on the MOH website to make sure both jabs are registered if not get the ball rolling early to get it sorted before they finally get round to rolling out the vaccine passport. In fact it’s probably in everyones interest to check their status if you want traffic light freedom.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:10am
  - alloytoo
    
    I want plain old ordinary freedom.
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:55am
dime

I’d like to buy Murray Bolton a beer.
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November 5, 2021 8:42am
WaveyDavey

There’s something crucial that needs to be pointed out

Currently the NZ media is reporting a spike in UK Covid cases and deaths. They are weaponising this by way of their usual “experts” to tell us how the UK is wrong and we were right

The problem is that this spike HAS NOT HAPPENED

Public Health England has said that the data is inaccurate and deaths/cases are over-reported because of a data collection issue

The truth of the matter is not that UK numbers are rising but that they have actually fallen by 15%

Please be aware of this when you read NZ media reporting such as this on Newshub

“Britain has about 40,000 daily cases of COVID-19, according to the latest seven-day average. Another 214 were declared dead on Thursday.”

No it hasn’t and no they weren’t, in fact:

“Separate data from the UK’s largest symptom-tracking study has now started to report a fall in cases for the first time in weeks — bringing the findings in line with the national picture.

Professor Tim Spector, the epidemiologist behind the survey, said the country is probably over the ‘last great peak of Covid’ for the year…”
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November 5, 2021 8:49am
Frank the tank

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rand-paul-anthony-fauci-senate-hearing-gain-of-function

Fauci better be arranging a 1-way ticket to China before mid terms next year.

And why oh why can’t we have politicians like Paul here. The guy is a legend for standing up to the cult of covid.
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November 5, 2021 8:51am
Michael J Baker

Here is the Lancet (Infectious Diseases) paper about the Anika Singanayagam et al. study that (I assume) the RealClearPolitics article and CJames are referring to.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext

or

https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(21)00648-4 (might be an free/opensource link?)

Interpretation (copied from introduction section of the paper)
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

P.S. I’m not THAT Michael Baker
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November 5, 2021 8:54am
- artemisia
  
  Obviously a different MB.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m not THAT Michael Baker
  
  had me worried for a moment….
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:50am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Likewise.
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:06am
Frank the tank

Yes Toxic is Dear Leader’s ex flattie and wing girl out on town.

Toxic is very wooden as an interviewer and has nothing going for her apart from her looks.

My guess is Hosking flattens her and within 12 months big Dunc moves into the morning slot.
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November 5, 2021 9:00am
- ecco
  
  Was thinking that re Dunc as well. Maybe Toxic will go with Cindy to the UN as her PA?? We can only but hope.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:10am
  - oldfella
    
    ecco, maybe Toxic could go to the UN and bec0me Jacinda’s equivalent of H2? But with less charm.
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:09am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Nah she’ll do the family thing and then turn up in Celebrity Treasure Island 2032 as the “hot milf” character they like to have.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:11pm
Tony Stuart

Barry Soper is in fine form this morning:

Barry Soper: This week has been a terrible one for this Government

This is an announcement of an announcement that would have been announced next week but now won’t be announced until next year, possibly.

The Prime Minister was gearing up for the announcement that she would head off to Europe on November 15 to pursue a free trade agreement with the region. It’s a deal that has been on the table for the past six years.

Jacinda Ardern came close to admitting she was planning the trip, appearing to justify it by saying the talks were reaching a critical stage, without ever saying it was on.

But it can’t have been that critical, because the trip’s now off. Those working to organise it have been told to down tools.

You would think the Beehive could have been more open about it.

It would have been inappropriate for Ardern to head off to Europe when the country is in such a state of chaos, and even more inappropriate for her entourage to come back to the country and claim MIQ slots, even though they had been arranged, when tens of thousands of Kiwis are going out of their minds waiting for their number to come up.

Her minders knew she would have received a lot of flak if she had gone, given she hasn’t yet even set foot in Auckland since she locked its citizens down almost three months ago. That’s happening sometime next week, we’re told.

But like everything with this Government, it seems to me transparency is like mud in your eye.

This is vintage Soper, and the PM only has herself to blame. She’s played cute with the Press Gallery over the proposed European trip to the point where the Opposition turned it against her, and she’s backed down.

Soper is dead right; it HAS been a crap week for Labour and for the PM, and it’s ironic that the virtual Labour Party is this weekend discussing the process by which Labour leaders are elected!
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November 5, 2021 9:04am
- ecco
  
  That just about tells you all you need to know that they’ve released that they are looking at processes to replace Ardern.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:32am
Tony Stuart

It’s all just turned to shit in Stratford, with a “strong positive” for Covid recorded in the town’s wastewater…
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November 5, 2021 9:08am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The tests are useless anyway with their 40X replication rate–they could find oysters on Mars.
  
  How can any public official lawfully plan a satisfactory program based on such a shonky data regime? Where has their duty of care gone?
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:20am
  - Yvette
    
    Connect the dots
    Ngāti Ruanui said it was notified last night of a “strong” positive Covid-19 wastewater test result.
    The sample was taken on Monday.
    “It’s hugely important that we connect the dots between the wastewater result and the source,” iwi kaiwhakahaere Rachel Rae said.
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/04/covid-19-detected-in-stratford-taranaki-wastewater-iwi/
    
    • kaiwhakahaere – administrator, manager
    • Was Ngāti Ruanui informed before others?
    • the test was taken Monday – it is now Friday
    • how far can the delta virus spread in 4 days?
    
    Would iwi have found out any faster if Mahuta’s 3 Waters plan was in action?
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:31am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      First be sure what sort of dots or mirages you are seeing,
      
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      November 5, 2021 5:57pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Good, the sooner it gets out of hand the sooner we’ll get on with life
  
  Every time they manage to keep it in check is another opportunity for them to claim success
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh Shi******
  
  I was there over the weekend.. (Taranaki Garden Festival is on).
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:53am
  - lifesgood
    
    Why are you bothered? I’m in Auckland, I haven’t caught it.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:44pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m not bothered, yet…..
      I’ll be bothered if some official rings me up and tells me to self-isolate for the next few days.
      
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      November 5, 2021 3:22pm
      - RalphT
        
        But doesn’t living in Gisborne count as isolation…
        
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        November 5, 2021 4:08pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

~100 excess deaths (non-covid) amongst teenaged boys (not girls) in England and Wales this year. You might be asking what has changed in 2021 compared to 2020.

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1456161395309961216/photo/1
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November 5, 2021 9:10am
Simon

Why is the word “trafficking” used instead of the correct word “slavery”?

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/policy-and-law/integrity-of-the-immigration-system/people-trafficking
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November 5, 2021 9:16am
- alloytoo
  
  because the people traffickers are the wrong demographic?
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:57am
Flossie

I see R&V will not go ahead if the Gisborne DHB (Tai…?) does not reach 90% vaxxed.
Will The Wedding also go along with that idea?
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November 5, 2021 9:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The wedding folk won’t be mixing with the locals down in the slumbos.
  
  They’ll either fly in to Gizzy Airport and be whisked off to the “secret” location just south of Muriwai… or they’ll land on the private airstrip.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:36am
  - kevn
    
    @Maggy… Fly in somewhere ‘discreet’. Chopper them out to some off shore monster floating gin palace. Bring your own cook and international muso? No problem.
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:52am
Reid

STUNNING! On Anniversary of 2020 Election 56% of Voters Now Believe There Was Cheating – UP from April – Including 47% of Black Voters

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/stunning-anniversary-2020-election-56-voters-now-believe-cheating-april-including-47-black-voters/

I’m surprised it’s that low, given how obvious it was to everyone.
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November 5, 2021 9:24am
solarsailer

Is the government going to let us out for summer, which would seem an ideal time to generate some herd immunity. Or is it going to sit on its hands, until finally pushed, until the cooler months when we’re all inside giving perfect conditions for spread?
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November 5, 2021 9:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Next winter is guaranteed to be a clusterfuck after 2 years of hiding under the bed. No matter what, there will be dry tinder and underprepared immune systems. If ADE becomes a reality the numbers could be horrific. Of course it will be all the fault of those damn anti vaxxers, eh Aunty Cindy?
  
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  November 5, 2021 12:42pm
MCos

I’d not heard the expression ‘critical race theory’ until quite recently and still don’t understand what it means, but it seems to be causing consternation in certain sectors of their society.
I chanced upon an explanation.
https://twitter.com/qasimrashid/status/1455895719328497672?s=21
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November 5, 2021 9:33am
- Yabster
  
  what a load of tripe MCos – just chanced on that b/s did you? CRT is being taught in schools fact.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:57am
  - Batman
    
    Absolutely not a fact. It’s hysteria just like the satanic panic of the 80s and the pedo panic of the 90s.
    
    The real issue here is parents who want their children to learn the watered down fairytale version of American history and not the real facts.
    
    It makes them uncomfortable to face it and so they want it banned. In effect, they are asking for a safe space for their children to live in a bubble.
    
    They are the new snowflakes ❄️
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:07am
    - Yabster
      
      What a load of b/s Batty and its not just an American issue and its more than disputed history- you are showing your ignorance- I assume your happy a child is asked to explain their white priviledge at school? (clearly your not a parent).
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/tackling-racism-in-aotearoa-should-white-privilege-be-taught-in-schools/62GIJ4FAUY7CJ2JYAD6OPFXB6I/
      
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      November 5, 2021 11:26am
    - All_on_Red
      
      https://nypost.com/2021/07/05/embracing-critical-theory-teachers-union-says-they-control-what-kids-learn/
      
      Lots more evidence of it than that too.
      But not if you watch CNN or MNSBC
      lol
      
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      November 5, 2021 11:59am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh and the Department of Education in Virginia as far back as 2015 had CRT on its website and all about the how it had to be introduced as part of their Policy.
        It was openly there.
        lol
        
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        November 5, 2021 12:03pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        With screenshots from McAuliffe’s Department of Education
        
        Plus you cannot tell parents they are racists for trying to prevent something from being taught in schools if the thing that makes them a racist also does not exist.
        
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        November 5, 2021 1:24pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      So if CRT (interpreting everything in terms of power/conflict struggles between different races) is definitely not being taught in school then schools won’t have any problem with banning teaching CRT.
      
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      November 5, 2021 12:16pm
      - Batman
        
        I can also seek a law to ban teaching murder in schools but that would be stupid because it is clearly not being taught in schools. Same for CRT.
        
        You’re just asking for a virtue signal. I thought that was supposed to bad?
        
        It’s dumb and dumber politics but it makes a great fear porn campaign to get out the voters!
        
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        November 5, 2021 1:39pm
    - Russ the Muss
      
      Half right mate. Yeah history is written by the winners, the problem with CRT is the lens it forces people to look at the present and future interactions. For example we were taught about WW2 at school but were never told in the curriculum to judge presnt Germans as nazis. The poison with CRT is the segregated view of the world and how divisive and corrosive it is. It is actually a fad like marbles and will soon be gone once the adults have fully woken up and booted the idiots put of education…now that’s what I call woke!
      
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      November 5, 2021 12:33pm
      - Batman
        
        Aside from the Godwin aspect of your example the key is that the Germans actually went and atoned for the crimes of Nazism. They learn about it in school in a way where it is critiqued for what it is, an evil racist abasement of humanity.
        
        Meanwhile CRT, as an area of study, does not do what you infer. I assume you are inferring that white people are branded racist now because of slavery / colonism?
        
        Then only people claiming that are the ones whipping up hysteria about it on conservative news and Republicans looking for attention (in the US context).
        
        The US has never properly reckoned with its past, it was buried under the glitter of Paul Revere and heroic figures. It needs to do what Germany has done, and that doesn’t make current folks racist to acknowledge wrong was done and is still being done by systems which harm those communities.
        
        What is requires is a bit of maturity and humility, something entirely lacking in some quarters these days!
        
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        November 5, 2021 1:55pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Chuckle… why let White Boys fight about CRT. Let’s listen to some Black voices talk about what this crap is and what it’s really trying to teach, Gaslighting Critical Race Theory (CRT)
        
        But if the mantra is that what we need to do to solve black America’s problems is “get rid of systemic racism,” we’re in trouble. That analysis, be it explicit or tacit, is based on a third-grader’s understanding of how a society works. More importantly, that analysis does not help black people and often hurts us
        
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        November 5, 2021 6:57pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        True Batman. The fuss over CRT is just another instance of moral panic whipped up by Americans since forever.
        Some parents are always concerned that the nasty teachers might contradict the belief held dear at home. That sort of panic generally betrays a parent’s own insecurity that a child might be capable of independent thinking. We get a bit of that here, but not on the scale of the US’s insane culture wars.
        
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        November 5, 2021 7:33pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Still salty over Wednesday’s results I see Batty.
      
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      November 5, 2021 1:15pm
  - Yabster
    
    This is what CRT is:
    
    https://nypost.com/2021/05/06/what-critical-race-theory-is-really-about/
    
    https://www.discovery.org/education/2021/08/05/critical-race-theory-the-marxist-trojan-horse/
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:19am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The Discovery Institute? Ok:
      
      We are the institutional hub for scientists, educators, and inquiring minds who think that nature supplies compelling evidence of intelligent design.
      
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      November 5, 2021 7:36pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      CRT can actually be summed up quite easily, it is a racist, fascist theory designed specifically to inculcate hatred between people based purely on skin colour, with the intent on making hate the dominant political driver, in line with most leftist thinking.
      
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      November 5, 2021 8:58pm
thirteenstars

That nasty old Commie, Pope Francis, is at it again, blaming capitalism and markets for world hunger:

The fight against hunger demands we overcome the cold logic of the market, which is greedily focused on mere economic profit and the reduction of food to a commodity, and strengthening the logic of solidarity.

Idiot. Ignoramus. Enemy of Mankind. How proud Catholics must be of this old fool.

https://mises.org/wire/pope-francis-blames-capitalism-world-hunger-yet-again
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November 5, 2021 9:47am
- Don Beckett
  
  Belive me thirteen, many Catholics – possibly a majority are not at all happy the way PF open his mouth about things he knows little and keeps dabbling in politics instead of “shepherding the flock” – which is why he is there. Many of his off the cuff remarks actually contradict the true teaching of the Church .
  Bring Back Benedict. 😉
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:14am
  - Mike
    
    The ‘true teaching’ of the church is surely defined by the Vicar of Christ, isn’t it? Oppose him and you cease to be Cathic and simply join a long, long list of heretics, don’t you?
    
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    November 5, 2021 12:33pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    A Pope for an apostate end times?
    
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    November 5, 2021 6:01pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Christians have believed those end times to be imminent for about 2,000 years now.
      
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      November 5, 2021 7:37pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        To be fair Mikey, only a minority most of the time, except for around 1000 AD when it seems that a goodly proportion were convinced that 1000 years was the magic figure.
        
        Not that we know the exact timing of Jesus’s birth and death that precisely. Christian dogma has settled on definite dates but they are not universally supported by the data.
        
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        November 5, 2021 9:09pm
Maggie Pie

I just KNEW Kerry Woodham would bring up Assisted Dying.
Such a boring talkback topic.

Bring on Magic’s ‘Rachel Smalley’ show.
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November 5, 2021 9:50am
- Frank the tank
  
  Really????? Smalley was like a deranged psycho in the pre-6am slot on ZB. You could hear the fear in Hosking’s voice in the 5.50am preview chat.
  
  Next you’re going to say you prefer Jesse Mulligan over Baz’s girlfriend on the drive home!!!!
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:56am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I really love Rach! She’s such a nasty bitch 😀
    Remember that time she left her mic on by mistake and called that woman a ‘lard-arse’.
    
    LOL!!
    
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    November 5, 2021 10:19am
    - All_on_Red
      
      What happened to her role with Kiwibuild?
      
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      November 5, 2021 12:04pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Not sure TBH.
        Maybe Megan thought she was referring to her?
        
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        November 5, 2021 12:31pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Really? I got sick of her droning on about herself and her fitness ticks so it would appear did Mike.
      
      Katie is soooooo much better…
      
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      November 5, 2021 1:17pm
Truman lodge

Been chatting with friends from my gym in a forum and everyone complaining of health issues due to years of routine broken. While running and walking and prison style workouts are OK, doing weights and core compound exercises for years keeps your body in a certain state. Got guys complaining of bowel issues and muscle wastage. For many this is the longest break we have had for 30 years.
Point being I feel our natural immunity is being compromised due to lose of routine and ability to live as we please. Not to mention mental health. 2 guys are deeply depressed and weight training helps in this regard. Fcuk covid!
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November 5, 2021 9:53am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Yep, workouts via Zoom(for those clubs running such things) are not the same either, when your work office, home environment, and gym are all the same space. There is no seperation mentally or physically. It is not the same motivational head-space to be moving furniture and reassembling it in front of a web cam.
  Also, certain things, like martial arts, are not really fully practical online.
  It is like standing on the side of a swimming pool and moving your arms. You might get a sweat, but you actually need the water when you are practicing at swimming.
  I am doing more weights, but much much less cardio (not motivated, for reasons above, and skimming the zoom stuff now)….and also rather drinking more than I should.
  Looking forward to the lock down ending.
  We are trying the ‘up to 25 outdoors’ and meeting in a public park this weekend though, for the first time.
  I’ll give that a go, over the zoom/Google meet stuff.
  All the competition athletes have been stuffed too. I missed out on some minor tournament opportunities over the last 18 months, but the real promising young ones/elite fighters are missing out on ‘education’ and development just like our school kids.
  
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  November 5, 2021 1:32pm
Frank the tank

Anyone else notice how quiet Presland has been over at the Standard?
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November 5, 2021 9:57am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  No Frank, as you’d have to be keen on self flagellation to go anywhere near the Standard. I did it for a while years ago, got threatened with death, banned constantly (for reproducing facts about Labour). I gave up when I ran out of flesh on which to lash myself with my cilice.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:56am
- H. Upmann
  
  You go to The Standard? Very brave of you.
  I foolishly went there once about three years ago and am still having head shaking moments over it.
  
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  November 5, 2021 10:57am
Reid

ERs Are Swamped With Seriously Ill Patients, Although Many Don’t Have Covid

https://khn.org/news/article/hospital-emergency-rooms-swamped-seriously-ill-non-covid-patients/

How mysterious… /sarc
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November 5, 2021 10:00am
- ClanMcleod
  
  You’ll enjoy this I believe.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/australian-hospitals-are-swamped/comments
  
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  November 5, 2021 12:31pm
  - Reid
    
    I’m not enjoying it mate, I’m watching the biggest ever crime against humanity unfold. I’m facing watching my whole (vaccinated) family die in front of me over the course of the next several years.
    
    There’s a viral video of a lady claiming to be involved in executive recruitment for the oil industry, saying that she’s been told that the oil companies are combing through the vaccinated employee’s and planning to replace them all within three years.
    
    Let’s hope all of that is wrong, but present developments such as these non-covid hospital admissions are indicating the opposite, and so far, all the vax naysayers are being proven right as reality unfolds, and all the vax advocates are being proven wrong.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:00pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It could be a terrifying time ahead. But there is hope. We need not despair.
      I believe we have entered the Christian end times season but can have no idea of when the glorious return of Christ will occur.
      Peace.
      
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      November 5, 2021 6:35pm
Taieri

Is there really no one who can shut this obnoxious fellow (Professor Hendy MNZM FRSNZ) up?:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/rnz/were-not-going-back-kind-level-1-life-covid-19-modeller

[Careful, you’re close to having that kind of request deleted. Be clear what you mean by it please – Mods]
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November 5, 2021 10:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you believe in freedom of speech, then there is no need for Shaun Hendy to be silenced.
  
  He’s free to make his unsubstantianted claims and work with his unworkable models as much as he likes, as far as I’m concerned.
  
  Just as I’m as free to think the man is a second-rate scientist.
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:16am
  - Taieri
    
    In principle I agree and as a private person, i.e. Mr Shaun Hendy, he is free to say whatever he likes. The problem is, being a government anointed expert, he is no longer a private person and his pronouncements as Professor Shaun Hendy, Covid modeller are no longer personal, private opinions and carry certain consequences. It’s the same as with the politicians, particularly from the ruling party. For example, is the PM free to say publicly whatever she likes and will it be treated just as an opinion, which can be disregarded?
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:55am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Trouble is he is not free. He costs millions of our tax dollars.
    
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    November 5, 2021 11:56am
  - cmm
    
    “He’s free to make his unsubstantianted claims”
    
    Except we’re not free to choose to pay for it or not.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:05pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Problem is, he has $6 million in funding, and a freely available $55 million soap box, and we hear far too much from him.
    He can tell his highly priced, opinions to whoever shares his bubble with him, for sure, or start a Blog. No issue there.
    However, this fantasist is often a cause for a national headline, and really unhelpful stuff along with being arrant nonsense.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:39pm
- Taieri
  
  Be clear what you mean by it please
  —————-
  
  His never ceasing scaremongering. My apologies for not stating it explicitly.
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:17am
Reid

Investigation Launched in NJ Governor’s Race After Voting Machines Went Down Without Counting Votes

https://conservativebrief.com/investigation-2-53969/
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November 5, 2021 10:14am
- Don Beckett
  
  Mmm………shades of voter fraud – as in the 2020 election?
  Democrats – who would have guessed.
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:18am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  SEveral videos of people trying to select republican candidate on voting machines in NJ, but machine not letting them:
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/fraud-new-jerseys-election-uncovered-voting-machines-not-allow-citizens-vote-republican-governor-candidate/
  
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  November 5, 2021 12:20pm
Reid

Interesting piece on the gender dysphoria phenomena focusing on young girls and comparing it to the bolemia outbreak back in the 90’s…

https://spectator.org/abigail-shrier-teen-trans-craze/
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November 5, 2021 10:27am
ABS4EVA

My BP is 124/80
My Blood Sugars are normal

I got given a present as part of my
Vaccination discussions awesome

Quite chuffed they respected my
Christian Cultural and scientific Stance

I am going to enjoy working from home
until NOVAVAX arrives

Looks like the WHO are interested is NZ?

https://ir.novavax.com/2021-11-04-Novavax-Files-COVID-19-Vaccine-for-Emergency-Use-Listing-with-World-Health-Organization

Good Luck

Enjoy christmas

Back to Work
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November 5, 2021 10:31am
Reid

Flashback: Nobel Prize Winner Reveals – Covid Vaccine is ‘Creating Variants’

Prof. Luc Montagnier said that epidemiologists know but are “silent” about the phenomenon, known as “Antibody-Dependent Enhancement” (ADE)…

…Prof. Montagnier referred to the vaccine program for the coronavirus as an “unacceptable mistake”. Mass vaccinations are a “scientific error as well as a medical error,” he said. “It is an unacceptable mistake. The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants…”

https://rairfoundation.com/bombshell-nobel-prize-winner-reveals-covid-vaccine-is-creating-variants/
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November 5, 2021 10:33am
- ABS4EVA
  
  This is what happens when your start with
  
  THE LIE that is the DEFINITION of WHEN
  
  LIFE STARTS (according to Labour?)
  
  Get that wrong and there
  
  IS NO HOPE FOR YOU PEOPLE
  
  You can not pretend except to YOURSELVES
  that anything you accept AFTER THAT is
  Either SCIENTIFIC or TRUE.
  
  Worse than all of this there is the
  Automatic Assumption LABOUR are RIGHT
  on ALL THINGS
  
  So we commence our fight against this with
  BIOLOGICAL and MENTAL Health ISSUES?
  
  CAUSE and EFFECT
  
  You reap what you SOW.
  
  And anyone who Dares Discuss anything is
  
  HERETIC against the NEW
  
  SOCIALIST DOGMA
  
  I mean it (THE DISEASE) came from Socialists and Communists?
  
  You are not going to stand a snow flake in hells
  chance of beating this…
  
  Using their Warped definitions and Whack Job
  PRACTICES
  
  The Best Option Vaccine is delayed and people
  are dragging their heels on it
  
  WHY?
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:43am
- dcrane
  
  Cue establishment-funded vandalism of that guy’s Wikipedia page in 3, 2, 1…
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:43am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Only one Nobel Prize? Must be a crackpot conspiracy theorist. Foil hat wearing nutter. Him and that John P. A. Ioannidis, physician-scientist, writer and Stanford University professor who has made contributions to evidence-based medicine, epidemiology, and clinical research, and that other weirdo, Jay Bhattacharya, professor of medicine at Stanford University. Morons.
  
  Lightweights – Give me Michael Baker and Soiusxie Wiles any day of the week.
  
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  November 5, 2021 12:16pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Luc Montagnier won the Nobel Prize as a joint-discoverer of HIV.
    Since then, he has become noted for promoting homeopathy and various nonsense, such as a claim that DNA emitted an electromagnetic signal after it had been diluted down to nothing. He also claimed DNA from autistic children emits abnormal electromagnetic radiation.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:17pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I recently came across this blog. Excellent analysis on many fronts. Regarding ADE and potential impact of vaccinating during a pandemic, this post made sober reading.
  
  “leaky vaccines look to make disease hotter and more deadly.
  
  vaccines become a weapon for the virus, not a defense for the society.
  
  if this is happening, we need to know because it would have profound policy implications. it means vaccines should be banned, not mandated. it means boosters are a societal risk accelerator not an attenuator.”
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/leaky-vaccines-super-spreads-and
  
  Love to hear someone with more expertise than I respond to this?
  
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  November 5, 2021 12:23pm
Rusty

Can someone explain — if you are double jabbed then your are a vaccinated person (yes I understand that) but if you don’t get the annual double booster next year and beyond — are you back to being a un vaccinated person?
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November 5, 2021 10:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  
  unless you have some way of checking your own personal immunity status, the Government will make the decision for you, that your immunity status has fallen to such a low level that you represent a threat to the community.
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:11am
In Vino Veritas

Actress Janet Hubert, famous for her role as “Aunt Viv” on The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, has postulated “Am I crazy, but my first thought was Baldwin was given this gun on purpose from someone to get back at him for his Trump impersonations?”

Ah, yep, you are a raving lunatic. And of course, a “Trumper” made Baldwin not check the weapon (standard practice), made him point it at someone (an absolute no-no unless you are actually going to shoot them) and lastly, pull the trigger.

The Trump derangement amongst those in Hollywood registers extreme.
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November 5, 2021 10:35am
Truman lodge

Jacinda never had any intention of opening the Auckland border for xmas.

Auckland under the rules can’t see level 2 again. We remain at level 3 until vaccine targets are met. Then instead of level 2 we enter the traffic light system which gets rid of borders around Auckland. So if we are not at the traffic light system we can’t leave Auckland.

So otherwords gyms, bars and restaurants can’t open in Auckland until the traffic light system. The rest of nz will be at level 2 enjoying Xmas while a locked up Auckland won’t even have bars and activities to enjoy over xmas. Because once we reach traffic light system the borders have to be removed. This is something we need to think about. If the border stays over summer then we have to remain at level 3 under the framework.

Well that’s my understanding but please correct me if I’m off base.
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November 5, 2021 10:37am
- Flossie
  
  Everyone goes on about Auckland. We in the (part of) Waikato are in the same boat. Granted we haven’t been on board for as long as Aucklanders, but our future prospects are just as dodgy.
  
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  November 5, 2021 12:28pm
Stu2

Stuff has finally realised the 90% target is not happening (or many months away). Their story today about second doses not all being taken up was the nail in the coffin.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300446598/covid19-nz-the-90-per-cent-vaccinated-target-is-probably-impossible-so-what-next

We figured that out about 10 seconds after the announcement.

They have made an excellent point, which makes the political reality very clear.
” One of the problems the Government will soon face with this is growing resentment from a large majority of the country that likely will pass or get very near the 90 per cent threshold before Christmas.

DHBs are not equally sized, and it is some of the smallest DHBs that are the most behind. Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Hamilton and Dunedin represent about 70 per cent of the 12 population, but just eight of the 20 DHBs.”

Wait for the retreat. What a silly policy.
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November 5, 2021 10:47am
- kowtow
  
  Silly policy ?
  
  Everything they’ve done , from the very outset has been “silly”.
  
  Including the initial lock down.
  
  All panic no policy .
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:45am
- Prince
  
  In the article…
  “The regions with the lowest vaccination rates feature many very isolated areas that have an entrenched distrust of the state.”
  Odd. I’d wager the national debt that residents in those regions rely on Benefit packages well in advance of the average.
  
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  November 5, 2021 12:55pm
- Scott
  
  Stu 2 – don’t be silly mate! Former government representative an expert on all things Covid, Mr Wayne Mapp, has assured us that we will reach the 90%. Other countries have reached 90% and so will heroic little New Zealand.
  
  Wayne Mapp has told me and I am sure that he is right.
  
  I would say more but I have to go now because our glorious Prime Minister is about to speak forth from the pulpit of truth. 🙂
  
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  November 5, 2021 1:18pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

A bestie retweets…

‘China is warning its citizens to STOCKPILE FOOD.
Why I wonder? War on Taiwan. Australia. The US.

Should we all be doing the same?’

https://youtu.be/gA5rM6nOSFg
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November 5, 2021 10:55am
- ABS4EVA
  
  FANTASTIC
  BRING IT ON
  BRING IT ON
  BRING IT ON
  
  I can’t wait come on Get it one people
  I have been waiting for a decade
  
  Come on Cowards
  Liars Ripp off Merchants
  
  READY WHEN YOU ARE
  
  I can’t wait – this is going to be Fantastic
  
  They so think they have the West Finished
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:30am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YEP! Be the last time I order the ’69’
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:36pm
- Mike
  
  Yes, you should. And given your perilous location in the isthmus, I assume you have weapons handy for self defence. A buried cache of gold, ammunition and baked beans would seem to be essential.
  
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  November 5, 2021 12:37pm
Reid

How green policies are destroying the middle class…

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/11/01/serfing-the-planet/
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November 5, 2021 11:28am
Fletch

Hosking interviewed Sir Ian Taylor on the radio this morning, and Taylor was saying what it feels like to be in the U.S instead of NZ during the pandemic. He says it’s much better there. People are taking personal responsibility and just getting on with it.

Speaking from Los Angeles, Sir Ian Taylor told Mike Hosking on Newstalk ZB that he felt more comfortable over there than in Auckland.

“It’s been really great, an eyeopener. Just to start off, I have actually felt safer in terms of LA and San Francisco than I did passing through Auckland.

“One of things that’s really standing out for me now that I look back to where we are in NZ, the whole thing seems to be surrounded by a sense of fear. Up here they have kind of accepted that you have to move on. Now that you know that Covid is around, you wear your mask, you wash your hands. I’m doing more of that now than i did back in New Zealand.”

“When I went to Fox, you had to have a mask, show a negative test and if you didn’t have one you got tested at the gate before you went in and inside wear masks the whole time so we sat outside and had our meeting outside.

“I came here thinking this place was reckless, but they are more careful than we are.”

He said the big focus in the United States appeared to be on self-responsibility.

“I think the big focus up here is self-responsibility. They have a vaccination rate of 60 per cent. What I found is that if you want to have a test..I just had an antigen test in my hotel room half an hour ago, and I’m negative.

“You’re doing these things all the time, it’s just a different approach.”

Link includes audio – https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/sir-ian-taylor-more-comfortable-feels-safer-in-los-angeles-than-auckland/

Hosking said later on that he felt like he was in North Korea interviewing someone in the free world about what it was like on the outside.
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November 5, 2021 11:30am
- mikenmildagain
  
  And Hosking would know much about being in North Korea how?
  
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  November 5, 2021 1:02pm
  - graham
    
    Maybe he reads and researches? Just a wild stab in the dark …
    
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    November 5, 2021 2:36pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    And that comment pretty much eliminates you from ever making any comments about anything Mike. So I guess that’s it for you?
    
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    November 5, 2021 3:13pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I know just enough to believe that comparing North Korea to New Zealand is crazy, even for a master of hyperbole like a radio talkback host.
      
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      November 5, 2021 3:52pm
Chuck Bird

At least this crap is not premium. The fact that Labour keeps using this clown shows they still are using fear to try and stay in power.

Covid 19 Delta outbreak: NZ could spend most of 2022 at red level – modeller Shaun Hendy

“In New Zealand that would translate into 20 to 30 deaths per day, which would be serious and significant, so with delta you really can’t go back to normal without putting a lot of people at risk and really overwhelming your healthcare system.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-nz-could-spend-most-of-2022-at-red-level-modeller-shaun-hendy/RQTB7I7MQJM6HILN2N5ESVP3RQ/
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November 5, 2021 11:32am
- Stu2
  
  So why is NSW at 300-400 cases a day and a few deaths? There are 8.2 million of them.
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:45am
- cmm
  
  NZ has, on average, about 100 deaths a day.
  
  Almost all those 20 or 30 CV19 deaths would be one or more of:
  * Comorbidities that are dying anyway. (ie. no change)
  * Those that die slightly early with a short time shift (ie a time shift of a few months).
  * Those that would have been harvested by flu at any other time (ie. substitutions).
  
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  November 5, 2021 12:59pm
  - Cinematic
    
    Yes, a million times yes. This has been obvious for over a year now. But still covid is held up as some sort of spanish flu killer. It’s mass madness.
    
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    November 5, 2021 1:14pm
- K
  
  Every time Shaun Hendy is quoted he goes well beyond his area of knowledge and expertise.
  
  How can he give an opinion on how long NZ will spend in the red light of the mythical traffic light system next year? That decision should be made with a number of factors taken into account, including impacts on the economy, new treatments, impact of restrictions on other areas of health, ability to maintain public compliance with rules, and any reduction in the “deadliness” of the virus. Sadly I can answer my own question, he can tell us that because Labour never takes any of those other factors into account in its decision making.
  
  As a “Covid Modeller” it would be great if Hendy could do something useful, like using data from overseas countries to help the government to understand the ways that it can reduce the impact of the virus without fucking the economy and destroying civil rights. I suspect his ideology prevents him from doing that.
  
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  November 5, 2021 4:57pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    He should consider the improper authorisation in the USA which we seem to be blindly following.
    
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    November 5, 2021 6:16pm
ABS4EVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4FUBfp9kS0

The Mandalorian JET PACKS

Become REALITY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DQkJf9E_nA

Best thing I watched in Lock down
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November 5, 2021 11:33am
Bridgenag

3 waters being legislated on today
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November 5, 2021 11:38am
Hollyfield

For something completely different, I love this youtube channel of a Cuban man’s experiences in the US. This particular clip is his first time to a US supermarket and his incomprehension about the amount and variety of food available, and comparing it to Cuba.

Unless you speak Spanish, turn the closed captions on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBA41QgIty8
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November 5, 2021 11:38am
Reid

Wow. Not just US hospitals are overwhelmed with non-Covid patients, but so is Western Australia. And WA has a very low covid rate.

What on earth could be happening? /sarc

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/11/04/something-very-weird-happening-in-western-australia-hospitals-overwhelmed-vaccinations-continue-but-they-have-no-covid/#more-219578
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November 5, 2021 11:40am
- mawm
  
  I’m astounded that people are voting this down. It’s fact.
  
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  November 5, 2021 7:45pm
Lucia Maria

GBNews had a piece on Jacinda Ardern last night.

Have the clip here: Kiwi Mussolini strikes again!

It’s part of a 3hr show, have started the linked youtube at approx 55 minutes in.

Would like to summarise what was said, but am working. 🙂
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November 5, 2021 11:42am
Fuzzysnuggleduck

Covid found in the wastewater in Taranaki.

In dicussing with workmates (from our Lvl 3 home offices) – it was noted that the Rona is apparently following Cindy as she tours the lov Vaxx regions. Hmm.
A conspiracy theory that writes itself!
Then the hypothetical suggestion, is a pot of piss being brought for tipping out as they go?
Well, do any of you recall the raw footage of the Northland new conference which was disrupted?
…just as Ardern was suggesting a move indoors, with Kelvin beside her, she said “I just need to use the bathroom”.
I thought it was an oddly American phrase, compared to I need to take a dump” or “strain the spuds”, but also that the online news footage could edit that tidbit out.
Sadly, I can’t find such raw footage anymore on any places I checked just now, perhaps it has been edited.
But was that the smoking gun? 😉
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November 5, 2021 11:46am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  heh, workmate found the raw clip:
  “I’m just going to go to the bathroom”.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka30qau1u6A
  
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  November 5, 2021 11:55am
  - Bridgenag
    
    The Maori lady complaining about being pushed around is missing
    
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    November 5, 2021 4:27pm
Yvette

Simon Bridges says Jacinda Ardern ‘around for a good time, not necessarily a really long time’, picks who’ll replace her.
Robertson.

Ardern said: “Under normal conditions I would sack the Minister of Health. What he did was wrong, and there are no excuses.
“But right now, my priority is our collective fight against Covid-19. We cannot afford massive disruption in the health sector or to our [covid] response. For that reason, and that reason alone, Dr Clark will maintain his role.”

Clark did go
Little is now restructuring the entire Health Sector
And Ardern yet may quit?
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November 5, 2021 12:08pm
Prince

Nice juxtaposition of lead articles on Stuff.
Person Gunned Down Outside Motel
Mum Jailed For Killing Daughter
Mortgage Rates Rising
What PM Jacinda Does On Her Weekends.

Not a good look for Princess. How long before the DPMC starts controlling placement of fluff articles as well as content ?
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November 5, 2021 12:18pm
- Prince
  
  …And the fluff article has quickly been moved down the page…
  
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  November 5, 2021 12:57pm
surfing

I was inclined to make a complaint about today’s NZ Herald Joe Rogan story…. but, I see they have removed the part I was going to complain against.

The original text made claims that Ivermectin is only used to treat horse parasites and that Rogan went against expert advice in taking it. Something else too, can’t recall it just now.

In fact, Ivermectin is used to treat humans for river blindness and is very safe, and, Rogan’s doctor (who one would say is an expert), prescribed the human dose — because it couldn’t harm and has ‘potential’ to help against covid (it is still being trialled).

The original journalist should be warned for not checking facts, at the very least. Pleasing to see they corrected this though.
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November 5, 2021 12:22pm
- Ed Snack
  
  You are pissing against the wind, as they say. Te narrative has been dictated, Ivermectin must be called “horse dewormer” and any suggestion that it could possibly be useful is to be discouraged utterly.
  
  Can’t have something simple interrupt the best ever opportunity to rework society along leftist grounds, with ID papers and coercive medical requirements, can we.
  
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  November 5, 2021 9:32pm
westernScientest

Dont see this going well:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300446741/us-mandates-covid19-vaccines-or-tests-for-84-million-workers-by-january-4
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November 5, 2021 12:24pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Currently mandated for employers with more than 100 employees in the USA but employers with fewer than 100 employees being looked at.
  
  Coercsion to force anyone to undertake a medical procedure is supposed to be illegal.
  
  If “take the jab or lose your job” is not coersion please explain to me what is!
  
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  November 5, 2021 6:36pm
Reid

Dr Scott Youngblood destroys the case for vax mandates, and other things. (8 mins – worth every second)

https://www.bitchute.com/video/sfAEcjOYnHBY/
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November 5, 2021 12:34pm
WaveyDavey

Deflect… deflect… deflect…

As ever, our PM’s response to challenging questions is

Run away
Hide
Children
Play the Neve card

And NZ by-and-large still laps this sh*t up

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/kea-kids-news/300445804/kea-kids-news-what-pm-jacinda-ardern-does-on-her-weekends
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November 5, 2021 12:40pm
Captain Mainwaring

West Auckland in the news again.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300446800/homicide-inquiry-launched-in-west-auckland-after-person-gunned-down-outside-motel

What is it about that place?
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November 5, 2021 12:45pm
- Prince
  
  Anyone know the number of firearm offences since they were banned ?
  
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  November 5, 2021 12:56pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  Was that Part of a Tourist Ad Gone Wrong?
  
  The Wild West is an Understatement Now.
  
  Used to be such a nice place
  
  What Changed?
  
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  November 5, 2021 1:11pm
- Frank the tank
  
  1. Full of gangs
  2. Full of transitionary housing
  3. Full of welfare dependents
  
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  November 5, 2021 1:19pm
  - ABS4EVA
    
    Sounds like a Labour Strong hold
    
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    November 5, 2021 4:15pm
Reid

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical outcomes of patients. Clinical studies have indicated that patients with severe COVID–19 exhibit delayed and weak adaptive immune responses; however, the mechanism by which SARS–CoV–2 impedes adaptive immunity remains unclear. Here, by using an in vitro cell line, we report that the SARS–CoV–2 spike protein significantly inhibits DNA damage repair, which is required for effective V(D)J recombination in adaptive immunity. Mechanistically, we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site. Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines.

https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056/htm

The above study is interpreted by the article I found it on, as follows:

In a normal, healthy person, the NHEJ mechanism repairs the DNA and prevents a pathogenic mutation from occurring. But in the presence of the vaccine spike protein, NHEJ effectiveness is suppressed by as much as 90%, meaning it is unable to do its job due to the suppressed ability to recruit proteins for repair.

As a result, the following “errors” are introduced into chromosomes inside the nuclei of human cells, all due to the presence of the spike protein from mRNA vaccines:

Mutations or “errors” in the genetic sequence.
DELETIONS of entire segments of genetic code.
INSERTIONS of incorrect segments.
Mixing and matching / permutations of genetic code.

These errors, when expressed through cell division and replication, result in:
– An explosion of cancer and cancer tumors throughout the body
– Loss of production of immune system B and T cells (i.e. induced immunodeficiency)
– Autoimmune disorders
– Accelerated aging and reduced telomere length
– Loss of functioning of complex organ systems such as circulatory, neurological, endocrine, muskuloskeletal, etc.

Cellular damage resembling radiation poisoning as cells destroy themselves from within
Many of these effects are, of course, fatal. Others will burden vaccine victims with horrendous debilitating injuries and organ malfunctions that will require a lifetime of medical intervention…

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-11-02-science-horror-vaccine-spike-protein-enters-cell-nuclei-suppresses-dna-repair-engine-of-the-human-body-cancer-aging.html

If you don’t buy natural news’ interpretation then read the study cited above and do your own research into the implications. Think about this when you consider whether or not you want to vaccinate your kids/grandchildren.
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November 5, 2021 12:52pm
- surfing
  
  Implications are also that natural covid infection will give you cancer.
  
  The vaccine spike protein is short lived anyway, so, maybe this is an argument for the vaccine rather than covid infection, which will hang around for longer.
  
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  November 5, 2021 2:41pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Cells make new ones.
    
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    November 5, 2021 6:08pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  Is NOVAVAX a better alternative?
  
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  November 5, 2021 4:20pm
dcrane

From the Herald: Chelsea Sugar recalls raw and soft brown sugar due to contamination

“Affected products include Chelsea Sugar’s raw sugar (500g, 1.2kg and 4kg), and soft brown sugar (500g and 1kg), Woolworths’ raw sugar (500g and 1kg) and brown sugar (500g and 1kg), and Pams’ raw sugar (1kg) and soft brown sugar (1kg).

They were sold during October, and up until today.”

“The lead contamination appears to have occurred in the supply chain en route from Australia to New Zealand, through a single bulk ship delivery that had previously been used for transporting industrial materials.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/chelsea-sugar-recalls-raw-and-soft-brown-sugar-due-to-contamination/MMCJMMHASGXNEY7K3BIY4KWXAU/
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November 5, 2021 1:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What about white sugar? I am sure it is raw sugar that has been bleached
  
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  November 5, 2021 2:05pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    What about ~~white~~ racist sugar?
    
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    November 5, 2021 6:31pm
ecco

What’s the bet Arden will move heaven and high water to make sure rhythm and vines goes ahead, or else bend the rules later on or underwrite. The student and young people’s vote is her target market. Notice how she bent over backwards to get the schools going back, lets students travel out of auckland, etc etc.
I will watch this with interest.
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November 5, 2021 1:27pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERINENT QUESTIONs..

Any truth in the rumors that the MP-for-Tijuana and his partner, have been taking ‘Online Mariachi Dance Lessons’ during lockdown?

Will this lead to more silly hats & boots being worn in the House?

https://youtu.be/0CRSIjT0sYY
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November 5, 2021 1:32pm
Alan Wilkinson

Herald has Murray Bolton taking the Government apart big time.
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November 5, 2021 1:34pm
- dime
  
  this dude is my new hero.
  
  “hipkins can go to tell”
  
  called them out for attacking the person instead of addressing the issue. as usual.
  
  spread your legs is no match for Murray.
  
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  November 5, 2021 1:36pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-richlister-murray-bolton-wins-landmark-test-case-against-miq-system/XQVWUQFSXDS2ULBGZX5QVGFYY4/
  
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  November 5, 2021 1:42pm
Truman lodge

Xmas cancelled for Auckland! They are stalling knowing that they have no intention of letting Auckland out.

What’s the best way out? A boat? Or smuggled out over the hunua?
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November 5, 2021 1:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Boat. Take extra fuel coz if you stop to fill the boat the bastards will find you. Wonder how many tote tanks are left at Burnsco?
  
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  November 5, 2021 2:37pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Be careful going long distance in your boat, Steve. Lots of recreational boaties would get in trouble if they ventured into unfamiliar waters.
    
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    November 5, 2021 3:58pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Stupid boy. I fill at the Barrier and go out 30km.
      You really are a welly boy that looks at the waves whilst dropping a sabiki off the wharf
      
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      November 5, 2021 5:17pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m very sorry for being concerned about your welfare. You are elderly with health issues, so it is natural to worry that you might overdo it. I don’t know about a sabiki – is it safe to google?
        
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        November 5, 2021 5:56pm
lifesgood

If I’m not mistaken Melbourne had the longest lockdown of any city in the world at 80 days. I think Auckland is now in its 80th day with no sign of relief. Is the govt trying to go for a record or something?
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November 5, 2021 1:55pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Nope a ways to go yet
  
  Lockdown 1: March 30 to May 12, 2020 — 43 days
  Lockdown 2: July 8 to October 27, 2020 —111 days
  Lockdown 3: February 12 – 17, 2021 —5 days
  Lockdown 4: May 27 – June 10, 2021 — 14 days
  Lockdown 5: July 15 – 27, 2021 — 12 days
  Lockdown 6: August 5 – October 26, 2021 — 82 days
  
  But come Nov 29th Auckland will have been in lockdown for 104 days
  
  Always remember “the best response in the world”
  
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  November 5, 2021 2:11pm
- MCos
  
  Buenos Aires had a 234 day continuous lockdown.
  
  NZ has been in lockdown to the outside world for about twenty months or so.
  Thailand much the same and now that the borders have been flung open hardly anyone is visiting, except of course Pattaya seems to be doing OK.
  Fancy that.
  
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  November 5, 2021 3:43pm
BananaLlama

I see Batman has recovered from getting his ass smacked by the Republicans yesterday. Wonder what he will be wrong about next?.
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November 5, 2021 1:58pm
- Batman
  
  Thanks for your concern but my behind is fine.
  
  I hadn’t taken an interest in the governor’s race nor participated.
  
  I did note that before yesterday, the governing party had lost 11 of 12 of the last Virginia governor races.
  
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  November 5, 2021 2:01pm
  - dcrane
    
    When’s the last time a NJ State Senate leader lost to a truck driver on a motorcycle?
    
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    November 5, 2021 3:37pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Pull the other one Batty.
    
    If the swamp creature won you would be the first to call it as the death of the post Trump GOP.
    
    It appears your beloved Democrat party is tearing at the seams as the moderates and progressives are going at each other like bare knuckle cage fighters.
    
    Meanwhile despite your predictions of doom for Ronny he has the lowest Kungflu cases in the country and ripping the old coot a new one with his Brandon Administration call.
    
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    November 5, 2021 3:40pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Silence – until he makes up another diversion
      
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      November 5, 2021 5:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Flashback. Now the same is happening in NZ. What is it with the left and lies??
https://rumble.com/voq41b-flashback-dems-say-they-wont-implement-vaccine-mandates.html?
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November 5, 2021 2:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It’s like when an animal gets it’s first taste of blood! They are addicted to the power they are holding over our lives!
  
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  November 5, 2021 2:14pm
Lucia Maria

A second person has died while isolating at home.

Are people now being given some sort of potentially deadly experiment treatment??
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November 5, 2021 2:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who the hell put that pathetic horrid item together? What a train wreck of a report. Guess the kiddies are in charge again
  
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  November 5, 2021 2:34pm
- BananaLlama
  
  The Virus is no joke Lucia it will kill just the same as the Jank vaccine we are required to take. Up to you to weigh the risks.
  
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  November 5, 2021 2:41pm
- dcrane
  
  Is NZ going to make the same mistake the US did and start sending people home to die, rather than giving them the aggressive early treatment that works? (See monoclonal antibodies and Florida for example.)
  
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  November 5, 2021 3:39pm
- Andrei
  
  The man that died had been double jabbed
  
  The vaccine status of the guy that died a couple of days ago has not been buried [? revealed] but Bloomfield was very cagey about it so I suspect he had had at least one dose
  
  This stinks to high heaven, particularly in light of DPF’s latest post
  
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  November 5, 2021 3:51pm
Graham Sharpe

Why is everyone so upset with Joe Biden falling asleep at the COP26? Nodding off during this sanctimonious talkfest is an entirely rational response. Biden got it right this time, for once in his Presidency. Credit where credit’s due please!
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November 5, 2021 2:40pm
Libertarians are right

Rittenhouse case update:

The DA got a rookie detective to NOT serve a warrant on one of the shooting “victims” to download his phone as it would have included evidence useful to the defense and then made that rookie detective the lead. Also didn’t record the interview with that witness. Recorded all other interviews and downloaded all other phones (including Rittenhouse’s when he provided them with the password as they couldn’t crack it).

Paraphrased excerpts:

DA asks cop (DA’s witness) if they were concerned about Rittenhouse:
Cop: he looked very young so we were concerned the protesters would attack him.

Binger (DA): So Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum, in the back, as he was falling, correct?
McGinnis (DA’s witness): No, Rittenhouse didn’t fire until Rosenbaum charged and lunged at him.
Binger: So he shot him as he was falling?
McGinnis: No, not falling, lunging.
Binger: So you’re saying he shot him while he was falling?
McGinnis: No, that’s not my testimony. Lunging.

The judge should throw the case out at this point and the defense hasn’t even started.
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November 5, 2021 3:14pm
Fletch

So drug company Merck have released the new anti-viral drug molnupiravir in order to fight Covid. They have also released the formula, which is the same as Ivermectin with an additional element. Same with Pfizer’s new pill. But they can demonize Ivermectin and make money.
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November 5, 2021 3:25pm
- MCos
  
  An article comparing the two drugs
  https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-ivermectin-molnupiravir-idUSL1N2R32JP
  
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  November 5, 2021 4:23pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Someone will feed some Molnupiravir to a horse and we’ll be back to square one.
  
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  November 5, 2021 4:50pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Humorously the diagrammatic chemical formula for Molnupiravir looks like a horse:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molnupiravir
    
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    November 5, 2021 6:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  which is the same as Ivermectin with an additional element
  
  Goodness, how can you say that?
  They are nothing alike..(physically or chemically)
  Invermectin is a much bigger molecule than Molnupiravir.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molnupiravir
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin
  
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  November 5, 2021 7:19pm
Benedict Yu

This is a great example of how travel is rapidly returning to normal – and in Australia’s case very quickly returning to normal.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/126903593/from-graveyard-to-flying-high-qantas-brings-back-the-a380-early

The New Zealand Government will be under pressure. So many people here want to get to Australia to see family (and the reverse) – the ONLY thing stopping that is the insane MIQ system here.

How can any sane person argue that a vaccinated person, who has tested negative for COVID, entering New Zealand should need to be put in quarantine?
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November 5, 2021 3:29pm
- MCos
  
  Travel may be returning to normal in Oz
  However
  There are still all manner of interstate restrictions
  https://www.interstatequarantine.org.au/state-and-territory-border-closures/
  
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  November 5, 2021 4:28pm
burt

Well this is awkward for the vaccine narrative.

This chap was double vaccinated and died of Covid – I though the vaccine was going to stop us getting sick and ending up in hospital and guarantee we didn’t die of covid ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300446920/covid19-friend-of-second-man-who-died-says-he-shouldnt-have-been-isolating-at-home
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November 5, 2021 4:11pm
- MCos
  
  There have been two deaths of people infected with covid-19 in the last week or so.
  As has been pointed out ad nauseam on this forum when deaths are attributed to covid who knows what else was going on.
  
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  November 5, 2021 4:36pm
- cmm
  
  If he’d not been vaccinated then I’ll bet you 50 cents and a servo pie they’d be hopping up and down to count him as a CV19 death.
  
  And they’re also waiting to decide how to classify the Mangare guy from two days back.
  
  It’s pretty odd how the tune has changed of late.
  
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  November 5, 2021 4:41pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I wonder when he received his second jab? He may have died with Covid-19, rather than because of it.
  
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  November 5, 2021 4:49pm
  - Andrei
    
    He may have died because of the vaccine
    
    This thing was never properly tested and bought sight unseen by our Government under terms that are highly secretive
    
    And they are coercing people into taking it
    
    Are we all part of some diabolical experiment?
    
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    November 5, 2021 4:57pm
  - Truman lodge
    
    A young guy in Toronto died in a motorcycle crash and he had covid and was counted as a covid fatality.
    
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    November 5, 2021 4:58pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  If the man wasn’t vaccinated it would be part of the headline.
  
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  November 5, 2021 5:01pm
ABS4EVA

Does everyone get that the Best Lies
are Omissions

OOPs we forced the Mandate
even though we knew there was
Potentially
a safer
better Vaccine nearly approved

Criminals all of them
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November 5, 2021 4:47pm
Truman lodge

Guy williams is active on twitter calling people incels for questioning the govt..
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November 5, 2021 5:45pm
- BananaLlama
  
  The guy that looks like a Soyjack and has zero children is calling people an incel on twitter?. lmao how much government funding does this leftoid receive.
  
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  November 5, 2021 7:08pm
- graham
  
  I have to be honest, I needed to look this up to work out what on earth it meant. Apparently, an incel is “a member of an online subculture of people who define themselves as unable to get a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one.” And Guy Williams is seeing this as the height of an insult, I guess.
  
  This guy is all class, isn’t he?
  
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  November 5, 2021 7:50pm
mikenmildagain

140 years since the invasion and destruction of Parihaka:
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/occupation-pacifist-settlement-at-parihaka
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November 5, 2021 6:07pm
Fletch

Govt says they will be releasing their new passport app later in the month. I can tell you that I won’t be installing it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126906881/covid19-government-releases-details-of-vaccine-certificate-system
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November 5, 2021 6:11pm
ABS4EVA

What Right DO YOU HAVE TO MEDICATE
MY FAMILY without CONSULTING ME
FIRST

WHAT GOD DAMNED RIGHT

WHO THE HELL DO THESE PEOPLE THINK
THEY ARE

A SAFER VACCINE is WEEKS AWAY
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November 5, 2021 6:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear..
Who was in Stratford over the weekend, In Napier on Monday and home in Gisborne on Tuesday?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/455050/covid-19-detected-in-wastewater-in-napier-and-gisborne
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November 5, 2021 6:45pm
- Fletch
  
  Yeh, I reckon it’s all BS. I believe the govt would stoop to anything now. I believe nothing they say. They are “Big Brother” to me now.
  
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  November 5, 2021 6:53pm
  - ABS4EVA
    
    Testing Toilet Water is common in Aus
    for meth use
    
    Same for Covid
    
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    November 5, 2021 8:12pm
    - sooty
      
      There goes the wedding in gissy.
      
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      November 5, 2021 9:32pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  AND said they needed to “Use the Bathroom” while visiting Northland!
  
  What self-respecting woman would go to a Public Toilet in a place like that?
  
  I’m no conspiracy theorist…..but????
  
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  November 5, 2021 6:57pm
Inthe09

As a sample of one I can tell you of the hundreds of people in Auckland I interact with (in person) each week, none of them are living in fear over this thing, handshakes, hugs etc – basically everyone has reverted to life before COVID. Yes we do our part and wear a mask at the supermarket, but other than that it’s just a nonsense. We just need the shops and restaurants to open up before they all go bust at being forced to close for the last 3 months. 3 months FFS. The tax revenue the Government are missing out on with the cash economy in Auckland right now must be huge.

The reason I say this is that the panic that our MSM ramp up by finding some poor dot whos terrified of COVID in the regions as this thing spreads is, as you’ve no doubt guessed, not reflective of most of the population, who will quickly move on once COVID is in their community and they realise it’s not the black plague its been sold as.

Once the fear is gone what have the Government got left? Some awkward questions I suspect they’d rather not answer.
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November 5, 2021 7:24pm
fernglas

Golly, NZ, not only are you a world leader at vaccine rollouts, public housing provision, ICU construction and AMOS, but you are on top for spud growing as well. And at least the spud can’t be subjected to mult-million dollar taxpayer funded spin.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018819351/the-largest-potato-in-the-world-maybe
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November 5, 2021 7:57pm
Truman lodge

If Auckland does remain locked up over Xmas, will people really get angry or revolt?

Or just accept it and do as we are told.

I think the latter… However I’m taking a boat out of here.
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November 5, 2021 7:58pm
- Inthe09
  
  We’ll be travelling, and there won’t be checks on ‘vaccine passports’ and COVID tests.
  
  It’s a terrible look for a Government when a large proportion of the population actively mocks their rules. It’s been happening for weeks in Auckland. My parents in their late 70s, who’d never dream of breaking any law previously, have openly been doing so for over a month. As have their friends.
  
  Anyone in Auckland that wants out knows someone who can get them an ‘essential worker’ letter – the process (like everything else this Government has come up with) is a total joke.
  
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  November 5, 2021 8:44pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly….can u believe this sh*t?
My partner just shot over to Countdown to grab a few bottles of el-cheapo wine to give to the guys coming over to watch the cricket tomorrow night.
The girl on the checkout gave him about 10 bags of promotional plastic brick things like lego.

So much for all their platitudinous crap about ‘saving the planet’…… SHEESH
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November 5, 2021 8:33pm
ABS4EVA

I have been talking to Lawyers

Ombudsmen:

Law Institute:

Administrative Lawyer:

Public Liability lawyer:

Is the next course of action

TO PROTECT MY SELF
FROM THESE INSANE

LABOUR PARTY RABID CCP LAB RATS

These people are worse than the Black Plague
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