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PhilBest

Some extremely interesting stuff in the latest postings by Maurice De Hond (use Google Translate).

https://www.maurice.nl/
Especially, read the summary at the end of the article “Don’t leave wounded soldiers on the battlefield!”, of a report from the Robert Koch Institute in Germany of mysterious spikes in hospital admissions in Germany over the last few months.

https://www.maurice.nl/2021/10/23/laat-geen-gewonde-soldaten-achter-op-het-slagveld/

“…I do not know to what extent these 5 Emergency Departments monitored by the Robert Koch Institute are representative for the whole of Germany. If that were the case, then that would mean:

Every day from June, around 10,000 more people under the age of 40 have been to the emergency department than at the same time last year. And that people with cardiovascular complaints have increased by approximately 3000 per day from the end of April 2021 compared to the months before…”

And there is an amazing communication from a Doctor to a health official, reproduced in this item:
https://www.maurice.nl/2021/10/22/principes-overboord/
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October 26, 2021 8:00am
- PhilBest
  
  Letter from Felix van der Wissel, General Practitioner.
  
  Dear Diederik,
  
  What the hell are you doing? How can you, as a doctor, call for a tougher approach to unvaccinated people and thereby further fuel the divide in society?
  
  How can you continue to be strained for this cart of Hugo? I really assume you don’t mean this!?
  
  Because after all, we are doctors and we make no distinction who we help whether you have smoked 2 packs a day and get lung cancer or whether you drive a motorcycle or inhale the powder, we help! To play the ball on the unvaccinated now, as a doctor, is playing with fire.
  
  I predict that in a month’s time the ICs will be full of vaccinated people because the vaccine will be less effective and the Coranapass gives free rein to infected vaccinees.
  
  Are we then no longer going to allow the smoking or motorcycling, the drinking vaccinated? Do you also call on politicians to take a stricter approach to all these people who are in the ICU due to their disastrous lifestyle (after all, 10% have no underlying suffering)? Or are you going to stand in front of your staff and are you really going to tell Hugo the truth that government policy in recent years is the real cause that 27,000 nurses have left care in the past year and that there is a shortage of ICU beds? Would you rather point out a scapegoat in the form of unvaccinated people instead?
  
  The people who are vulnerable, the elderly, are practically all vaccinated. Out of the 17 million people who have 1,200 IC beds, this is asking for trouble.
  
  Indiscriminate statements by lumping all unvaccinated people together is very harmful and does not suit someone with your position!
  As doctors, we should advise vaccinating people where the medicine is no worse than the disease and the medicine is significantly better than doing nothing, to prevent serious illness or death.
  
  (End of Paste)
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:03am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Hi Phil, where did you cut and paste the letter from?
    
    Cheers
    Chuck
    
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    October 26, 2021 9:14am
    - PhilBest
      
      From the link at the end of my preceding comment, I hoped that was obvious
      
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      October 26, 2021 9:42am
    - Sacha
      
      It was his 0800 post, not the 0803 🙂
      
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      October 26, 2021 11:00am
- ABS4EVA
  
  ALL I can say is do your reading
  
  And that people with cardiovascular complaints have increased by approximately 3000 per day from the end of April 2021 compared to the months before…”
  
  That is correct that is what Spike Protein does
  
  and they are training your cells to produce it
  
  God help us all
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:06pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Cindy is certainly getting famous around the world.

The best part of the plan is no one will be fully jibby jabbed, as we can see in Israel and the UK. Boosters baby! More and more! All a clever ruse to divide society, but at the same time taking civil rights away from everyone. Nasty, but effective.

Order those boosters! Right DPF?
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October 26, 2021 8:03am
- PhilBest
  
  Also on Maurice De Hond’s site, is this really good honest deep dive into statistics from the UK on breakthrough infections of the vaccinated, and “waning effectiveness”:
  
  https://www.maurice.nl/2021/10/25/tweederde-deel-van-ziekenhuisopnames-in-vk-dubbel-gevaccineerd/
  
  Use Google Translate.
  
  The powers of insight of the author, in this case Tom Berdowski, are evident in that he covers these points:
  
  “…There are numerous hypotheses that could (partly) explain the decrease in protection: perhaps unvaccinated people are excluded from locations that pose an increased risk of infection, the behavioral pattern and composition of the remaining group of unvaccinated differ significantly, the virus circulated more rapidly among the unvaccinated population and they are therefore now (temporarily) better protected, or perhaps the effectiveness of vaccination is actually decreasing as quickly as we observe. I leave it up to you what the reasons may be; I will limit myself in this article to only sharing the statistics…”
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  Not just UK and Israel .
  
  From the land of the Fauci funded lab where it all began …..
  
  “Speaking on an RTHK programme on Monday, Ho noted the mainland has updated its guidelines for coronavirus vaccines, recommending that everyone aged 18 or above should get a third jab.”
  
  https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1616782-20211025.htm
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The more I look at the vaccine efficacy, the more I think annual boosters will be a requirement for people to maintain their ‘vaccine certificate’. It will be marketed as ‘just an add on’ to your yearly flu injection. It wouldn’t surprise me if they combine the COVID vaxccine with the flue vaccine. Everyone gets annual flu shots anyway so most people won’t even notice the change.
  
  Anyway it is all speculation. One thing that does seem mad is mandating people who have been infected and recovered from COVID to be vaccinated. There is simply no science to support that. The rationale in the USA is that it is ‘just easier’ if everyone gets vaccinated. Great 🙁
  
  So yeah that is my prediction from the pulpit of truth. When the Government wakes up to the fact that the vaccine degrades, it will be annual boosters for everyone. Your vaccine certificate will have an expiry date. If you go overtime, you will make an unpleasant buzzing noise when you try to enter your favourite cafe and the COVID bouncer will show you the door.
  
  Funny – I would have thought of this as satire 2 weeks ago, but it is now at least plausible.
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:49am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Bendict
    with respect it will and cannot be annual as you ascertain, 126 million ordered shots for Australia in 2022 doesn’t equate to an annual booster. If Australia is setting the bar, they are either going to throw out a heap or the booster will come fast and furious.
    Talking annual is just living in a dream world.
    You are 100% correct with add into Flu, they intend to use Novovax for this, but 51 million ordered for Australia and from memory yours is also double the population order, it won’t be annual.
    
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    October 26, 2021 9:20am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Maybe but if there are no annual boosters doesn’t that mean that the virus becomes endemic as the performance of the vaccine at preventing infection degrades to negligible levels?
      
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      October 26, 2021 9:35am
  - Taieri
    
    One thing that does seem mad is mandating people who have been infected and recovered from COVID to be vaccinated.
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    This is also one of the reasons why the idea of vaccination passports is such a nonsense.
    
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    October 26, 2021 9:33am
  - burt
    
    Great isn’t it – 3 shots of experimental medicine within a year and 2 shots every year after that.
    
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    October 26, 2021 10:03am
    - doggone7
      
      I have it from reputable sources that if you don’t get Covid shots and you die from covid having to have regular shots doesn’t worry you.
      
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      October 26, 2021 11:11am
      - burt
        
        Keep pushing the fear porn, it helps divide society and pushed acceptance for leaky poor performance therapeutics.
        
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        October 26, 2021 12:33pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Just a small amendment. NOT everyone gets a flu shot.
    Its up there with low efficacy. So I and many of my cohort dont bother.
    
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    October 26, 2021 10:30am
    - slijmbal
      
      @Ra
      
      Flu vaccines tend to be an educated guesstimate of what flavour of flu will be spreading in the upcoming winter…. and, of course, it is possible to have 2 flavours spreading at the same time. 3 is very unusual.
      
      Last time I looked they have about a 2/3rds accuracy rate in terms of the guesstimate.
      
      I’m happy to get flu assistance attached to a very low risk vaccine that works some of the time because as a very fit 22 old I once got real flu and it was surprisingly debilitating – weak as a baby for days afterwards.
      
      It’s just a numbers game.
      
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      October 26, 2021 2:36pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Benedict the UK have just taken their booster shots from 6 months to 5 months.
    https://www.traveloffpath.com/uk-travelers-may-need-3-vaccination-doses-to-travel-in-2022/
    
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    October 26, 2021 10:32am
    - burt
      
      Awesome isn’t it… safe and effective they say…
      
      How long till they are monthly?
      
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      October 26, 2021 10:36am
      - mawm
        
        Can you imagine what that is going to do to “all cause” mortality?
        
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        October 26, 2021 2:29pm
  - rouppe
    
    Everyone gets annual flu shots?
    
    Ah, nope! Those in organisations that offer it for free, maybe. But I haven’t had one for several years.
    
    What shop assistant on minimum wage is going to go to the GP for a flu shot costing $40 if there’s no imperative to do so
    
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    October 26, 2021 2:16pm
- rangitoto
  
  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/indonesia/
  
  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/
  
  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
  
  Explanation?
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:25am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Iv************* , but don’t say it out loud.
    
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    October 26, 2021 12:25pm
    - burt
      
      If the only justification for experimental vaccines is that there are no effective treatments, then denying us effective early treatments to enable experimental vaccine use is a crime against humanity.
      
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      October 26, 2021 12:37pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      You’re talking about Vit. I. 😉
      
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      October 26, 2021 2:15pm
- Spoff
  
  “Cindy is certainly getting famous around the world.”
  https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-25th-october-2021
  09:13 – New Zealand Leader Admits Her Apartheid Policy
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:21am
  - Surely Knott
    
    She was mentioned all over the place. Russian Times, Daily Mail, Ben Shapiro, the Telegraph, The Spectator. Both shoving the signer and for the smirking apartheid video.
    
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    October 26, 2021 12:23pm
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      Not all over the place.
      
      Our very own MSM has been relatively silent on the subject.
      
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      October 26, 2021 12:37pm
Yvette

New Zealand’s new traffic light framework that will soon replace the alert level system has disappointed a public health physician, who’s calling it unethical.
University of Auckland senior lecturer in Māori Health Rhys Jones has grave concerns about the easing of restrictions.
“It is extremely disappointing that the threshold used to determine easing of restrictions is based on total population vaccine coverage and doesn’t include a requirement for a certain level of coverage among Māori and Pacific communities,” he says.
The Government didn’t set a vaccination target for Māori and Pacific peoples in the new framework, instead setting an overall 90 percent target for each district health board (DHB).
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/10/covid-19-health-expert-criticises-move-to-ease-restrictions-despite-lack-of-vaccination-targets-for-m-ori-and-pacific-peoples.html

This guy seems to have missed the point that no target has been set for any individual ethnic group – non-Maori or Maori – but rather a “milestone” for each DHB.
It is that DHBs are to ensure 90 percent of persons in their region, eligible to be vaccinated, are fully vaccinated (despite Little’s intention, acting on it right now, to get rid of DHBs. Their failure in this joint task may be used for that demise, if people don’t remember it is a “centralised” decision anyway to set DHBs this ~~target, goal~~ millstone)

• Coronavirus: 90 pct vaccine target ‘the right solution’ despite concerns Māori may be left behind – Willie Jackson
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/10/coronavirus-90-pct-vaccine-target-the-right-solution-despite-concerns-m-ori-may-be-left-behind-willie-jackson.html
• Coronavirus: Peeni Henare explains why there’s no vaccine target for Māori, says Cabinet ‘had to draw a line in the sand’
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/10/coronavirus-peeni-henare-explains-why-there-s-no-vaccine-target-for-m-ori-says-cabinet-had-to-draw-a-line-in-the-sand.html

Is setting the target for the DHBs –
• a brilliant calculated tactic to get ALL those eligible to 90 percent
(that requires all Labour Maori MPs to still be on the same page, or has Leader Ardern and her medical elite advisors not explained it to them)
• a pragmatic solution using the Treaty (We Are All One) requirements, but actually adverse to He Puapua ( but you need iwi to live to benefit from He Puapua, which may – as suggested – be an anti-He Puapua tactic, needed to actually further install He Puapua, but resorting to the Treaty still, proves He Puapua is overall a useless move. Follow?)
• or pure Ardern luck … again – in yet “kicking the nation down the road” still further
• or something else?

Get vaccinated – to survive to see …
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October 26, 2021 8:04am
- PhilBest
  
  The connection between vaccination and survival being “not getting starved to death by deliberate State exclusion from sources of supply of foods and essentials”?
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:16am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Why not 80%?
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:20am
  - PhilBest
    
    I keep asking, whatever happened to the magic of 50 to 65% of people previously infected, to get “herd immunity”?
    
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    October 26, 2021 8:23am
    - Stephen Russell
      
      As I understand it, the level of immunity required for herd immunity depends on the ‘r’ – the transmissibility of the disease. Variants – like Delta – that are more infectious raisie the level of immunity required to reach ‘herd immunity’ – the definition of which is essentially an ‘r’ of less than 1 (ie each infected person infects on average less than one other person).
      
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      October 26, 2021 8:59am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I believe that despite the propaganda, there is no longer any official drive for the mythical state known as “herd immunity”. Official know, or at least they bloody well should know, that the vaccine does NOT provide protection from infection to nothing like the degree to drive that.
        
        The vaccine push is now purely to mitigate the impact on the health system. There is an acceptance that (as Benedict has been banging on about for some time now ;)) almost everyone will catch Covid eventually, and the driver now is to make that manageable. The Vaccines do, at least when fairly recently given, reduce symptoms and the need for hospitalisation. This is driving the booster requirement as well, as the effectiveness dwindles over 4-6 months or so boosters will be needed to maintain that reduction in serious cases.
        
        Forget “herd immunity”, it has lost its lure as it will only be achieved by everyone basically catching the virus, and so there is no political credit to be gained, so it is not worth mentioning.
        
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        October 26, 2021 9:44am
      - PhilBest
        
        Yes, and the experts calculated that once 50 to 65% of people were infected, there simply wouldn’t be enough potential anymore for R to be higher than 1.
        
        However, R always was the wrong metric, Covid spread is highly “overdispersed”. The official experts don’t want to admit this because it would mean the solutions would involve narrow targeting of the environments where overdispersed spreading occurs, not blunt broad tyranny.
        
        https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/
        
        https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/why-arent-we-talking-more-about-airborne-transmission/614737/
        
        Look at the DATES on those essays! Bloomfield, Hendy, Wiles etc are criminally incompetent.
        
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        October 26, 2021 9:46am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      Herd immunity no longer exists in the eyes of the experts, the WHO have changed the meaning of this.
      
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      October 26, 2021 9:22am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Same way the changed the definition of “pandemic” and the definition of a “case”.
        As has oft been said, 1984 wasn’t a novel, it was an instruction manual.
        
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        October 26, 2021 10:27am
    - David Garrett
      
      Phil: the answer is obvious: they are making it up as they go along. Consider:
      
      At the beginning masks were a waste of time (they still are) now you can’t get into a supermarket or gas station without one; we were urged to wash our hands constantly because you could catch it off a lift button – now we know it is only transmitted by aerosol droplets; as you say, herd immunity would occur when 60% were vaccinated – then it was 90%; now we know the vaccine is only effective for a time – and that time seems to be ever decreasing.
      
      etc. etc.
      
      BTW what are the latest verified stats from Sweden, which decided on a “let it rip” policy?
      
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      October 26, 2021 9:56am
      - sooty
        
        Of course they are making it up as they go!
        Every “expert” every second day comes up with a new plan and publishes it in the media!
        Neither can they agree between themselves!
        
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        October 26, 2021 10:41am
      - Mr_Blobby
        
        What we are seeing is an out of control totalitarian regime.
        
        Worse they are starting to show signs of losing it and are getting desperate.
        
        This make tyrants very very dangerous.
        
        Don’t think that they are Tyrants in the making.
        
        Divide and Conquer. Take away rights and freedoms.
        
        The traffics light system Green is still Level 2.
        
        You will need you covid papers and your ID and sign in and present them whenever requested on punishment of a fine or prosecution etc. How long do you think that will last, at this stage we are looking at least 1 to 2 years maybe longer.
        
        No Government has divided the Nation as much as this one.
        
        Vaccinated v Unvaccinated
        Maori v everyone else
        North v South
        
        The list is long and growing.
        
        The demise of our democracy will be accompanied by cheering and clapping from the adoring sheeple that were saved.
        
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        October 26, 2021 12:52pm
      - doggone7
        
        It is obvious, they are making it up as they go along.
        
        They should have laid out the plans, what was going to happen, when, in February 2020.
        
        Such an approach would’ve provided clarity and we all would have been happy knowing what was going on.
        
        Is that it works?
        
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        October 26, 2021 3:59pm
- Geoff1
  
  “New Zealand’s new traffic light framework that will soon replace the alert level system”
  Doubtful – it won’t be soon and unlikely to attain 90% vaccinated.
  To compound the issue currently the eligible population is 12 year old and over (12 +) 4,200,000.
  6 October 2021 Pfizer asked the FDA to authorise its Covid-19 vaccine with BioNTech for children ages 5 to 11.
  https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/07/pfizer-asks-fda-to-authorize-covid-vaccine-for-kids-ages-5-to-11.html
  NZ will follow suit that will capture the 5-11 year olds (643,866) and increase the eligible population to 4,843,866 90% equals 4,359,479
  Support the remainder.
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:55am
kowtow

A letter writer to the Ferald this am makes the point that the only reason we have a 90 % mandate is to give the regime time to set up the digital vaccine certification . He says once that’s done watch the vax mandate relax .
Interesting point and worth watching , if that’s the case then as ever it was never about the science.
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October 26, 2021 8:04am
- PhilBest
  
  That is the conclusion of numerous well credentialled experts who tried to get sense into all this from the point of view of the science – and realized they were up against a dark obstructive force.
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:17am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The URL says it all:
  https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/10/25/hard-facts-pour-in-from-country-after-country-that-covid-cases-rise-with-vaccination-and-the-stupid-media-reports-that-the-cases-are-the-result-of-permitting-people-freedom-of-movement/
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:22am
  - PhilBest
    
    Not so fast – it might be true that the cases ARE the result of giving people freedom again – and the vaccine doesn’t just “wane in effectiveness”, it “doesn’t work as advertised”, period.
    
    I said all along that the vaccines trials were conducted at the very time, and on people, that ensured they were NOT properly proven, any more than trialling a bullet proof vest on military personnel stationed on bases in San Antonio or Hamburg rather than on a “front” where actual shooting was going on, would have proved anything.
    
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    October 26, 2021 8:54am
    - miltonF
      
      Yes this is more likely. Just consider we nearly have 90% of Auckland jabbed (I refuse to call it a vaccination) and we have even stricter rules and theoretically better PPE/mask wearing, Perspex screens everywhere etc that we didn’t have during our initial lvl4 lockdown. Yet, the virus still spreads. Imagine how useless the jab would look if we had no restrictions. Currently half of our cases are “unexplained” – for those uninitiated in government propaganda, this means half of our cases have likely originated from jabbed folk.
      
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      October 26, 2021 10:34am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Those restrictions have almost no impact on spread, the only real change would be if people congregated frequently in large badly ventilated indoor spaces, and then aspirated vigorously, by loud conversation or singing or whatever.
        
        If this was made more explicit, avoid indoor spaces, emphasis on improving ventilation so as to dilute any chiral loading, and keep people outdoors as much as is reasonable, the viral spread will be about as minimal as possible in the absence of a program to actual treat the symptoms.
        
        If we followed the sort of protocol used in Uttar Pradesh and Delhi, we would essentially eliminate Covid in NZ except for sporadic outbreaks of low intensity by the end of November. But that is not in the interests of those in power, so ain’t going to happen, is it ?
        
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        October 26, 2021 12:31pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  A system that compulsorily links your your health ID (NHI) to some other surveillance database ( e.g. passport #, DL #,…) has only one purpose. Papers please!
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:22am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    I have never been prone to Big Brother conspiracies, but this digital vaxx passport and the division it is creating really alarms me.
    
    I still don’t understand how this whole vax passport is supposed to be policed. Is it going to be a trust system like the QR signing in – which very very few people adhered too? How are small businesses barbers, dairies, small shops supposed to check every customer? What are they supposed to do when volatile non vaxxed person refuses to leave? Is the next step some sort of state funded security?
    
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    October 26, 2021 10:54am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Cindy signed off the $2.7m pre contract sweetener some time ago.
      
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      October 26, 2021 12:00pm
    - Nickc2
      
      I think it will be legislated that every service entity must employ a Maori Security Guard to check Vaccination Certificates. //
      
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      October 26, 2021 3:00pm
- Frank the tank
  
  I disagree. Now that the elimination strategy is down the toilet the Kungflu Queen needs to show she is the queen of the vaxx.
  
  The vaxx passport is amusing sideshow – it’s the narcissistic cravings of an individual that needs to be ‘loved by all’ that is driving this target.
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:30am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    The language has changed, you are creating 2 classes of people, “yep that is exactly what we are doing”
    
    So, as predicted the kindness is now becoming a lot more autocratic and divisive.
    
    I am seeing jacinda under a lot of pressure she looks worried and less confident.
    
    Looking more like a good old fashioned tyrant everyday.
    
    To be fair she is making good progress the opposition has mostly capitulated.
    
    People are turning on each other.
    
    I had a very sensible and reasonable person I know declare that people who don’t want to be vaccinated should be physically held down and forceably vaccinated, he shut up very quickly when I said that is exactly why I am not going to get vaccinated.
    
    Divide and conquer Jack boot jacinda the Hitler of the South Pacific and her loyal nazi’s will take over by marginalizing people to the thunderous applause of the adoring public.
    
    That is how our democracy will die.
    
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    October 26, 2021 10:35am
    - Bluegrass
      
      Madam Ceausescu…
      
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      October 26, 2021 6:02pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Covid is a stalking horse to introduce ID. For decades the Left has been looking at how it can introduce this Communist tool and now it has the prefect opportunity.
  Its for your own good. Yeh right. It so this Communist regime can exert even more control over the peasants.
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:12am
- Ruawai
  
  Grant Robertson on Three this morning danced around giving a date for the certificate. I agree they have made a high target as they are not yet ready, it must still have glitches.
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:26am
  - sooty
    
    Labour always has to reinvent the wheel and were does that lead them, to the likes of phil twitford who think they know it all.
    Could buy one of the shelf from many countries.
    
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    October 26, 2021 10:45am
    - Ehlana
      
      Yes, I did wonder about that. Since the idea of some sort of proof of vaccination being required for international travel has been around since last year, it would have made sense for a group of countries to develop a single system they could all use and trust.
      
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      October 26, 2021 4:09pm
- Taieri
  
  Interesting point and worth watching , if that’s the case then as ever it was never about the science.
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  It never was.
  There’s never been anything scientific in the utterances of Baker and Associates. There’s also nothing scientific in the models produced by Hendy. Plenty of manipulation, wishful thinking and escaping from the reality there though.
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:40am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    There have been far too many contradictions and lies throughout this circus for it to have ever been about health.
    It is now pure politics. Ardern couldn’t care less about the health of the population, this is all about her career and her reputation. She will do whatever it takes to enhance that and ensure a smooth transition to the UN. I expect her to be gone before the next election. The biggest rat leaving the Titanic to the next poor sucker in Labour.
    
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    October 26, 2021 10:34am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      But they need her to win the next election for them as Jacinda is worth at least 12%?
      That is unless her handling of the Covid situation starts effecting her reputation too much and the public turn on her…that is the only reason I think she would go before the next election.
      
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      October 26, 2021 11:09am
- Alwyn Poole
  
  The issue no one is addressing is that – such is the decrease in Pfizer efficacy – everyone who had their second vax before May 26 – should not come of the double-vaxxed list. And that should become a rolling situation.
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:15am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    The problem is the vaccine is a dud, it does not work.
    
    The vaccine is the only plan they have.
    
    There is no way jacinda is going to get up in front of the nation and say the strategy was wrong, we have failed, we wasted billions of dollars of money we didn’t have, caused untold economic damage and torn the social fabric of our society apart.
    
    Let’s just go with herd immunity and learn to live with it.
    
    Sorry whanau, remember be kind.
    
    Or double down on the stupid, ramp up the oppression and implement the hidden communist agenda.
    
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    October 26, 2021 10:44am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      The agenda doesn’t look to be too hidden these days – not like pre election 2020.
      
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      October 26, 2021 12:49pm
      - Mr_Blobby
        
        The signs were there.
        
        Remember election night.
        
        “Capitalism has failed the Children”
        
        The reality of course is that Socialism had already failed the children. Don’t think so, why is the benefit not paid at the minimum or living wage level?
        
        It is socialism not capitalism that is not providing for the children.
        
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        October 26, 2021 5:52pm
Man Among the Ruins

It’s appropriate that an earlier post today on KB features another government PR scheme, characterised as being “misinformation, untrue and a taxpayer-funded propaganda campaign.”

Ever heard of the “Nudge Unit”? This is another name for an organisation called the Behavioural Insights Team, which has offices in the UK, US, Canada and – you guessed it – Wellington New Zealand.

https://www.bi.team/about-us/

https://www.bi.team/our-work/covid-19/

Naturally, their line of applied behavioural science work comes in handy when selling ideas to the public, for instance mass vaccination:

Question: “How can governments, nonprofits and others promote vaccine uptake among those who are questioning or hesitant?”

And here’s a real doozy, a piece that considers “Four messages that can increase uptake of the Covid-19 vaccines”:

1. Helping Loved Ones tapped into people’s desire to protect and support their friends and family. It made clear that vaccinating yourself can help your loved ones while being careful not to overstate the vaccine’s power to reduce or eliminate transmission.

2. Approved by Healthcare Workers used the credibility and authority of healthcare workers as trusted messengers. The message emphasized how most people have demonstrated confidence in the vaccine by taking it themselves.

3. Getting Lives Back drew on the powerful motivation to return to the activities and people they are missing, without promising that life will ever fully go back to “normal.”

4. Tested by Thousands built trust in the vaccine development process, without getting bogged down in overly technical details or medical jargon. The message incorporated aspects of ‘social proof’ by indicating that millions of people have already taken the vaccine safely.

Does this all sound really, really familiar? It seems apparent that the vaccination campaign is one of behavioural manipulation, and has nothing to do with rational argument or scientific evidence.
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October 26, 2021 8:05am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Interesting who “Wellington” works with:
  https://www.bi.team/about-us/partners/?select-bit-offices%5B%5D=77&hidden-s=&hidden-current-page=1#listing
  
  https://www.anzsog.edu.au/
  
  THE RT HON.
  Jacinda Ardern MP
  Prime Minister of New Zealand
  “ANZSOG has an important role in helping to support and grow the talent and leadership needed to ensure our public sector continues to provide the world-leading service New Zealanders deserve.”
  
  Agree with the grow bit – not so sure about the “talent and leadership”!
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:07am
- ClanMcleod
  
  3 down ticks. Why do people downvote publicly available information? Because it challenges their cognitive bias I suppose.
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:37am
- JackRabbit
  
  From their website:
  “After nine years of the previous NZ administration, the newly formed coalition was the first change of government that many younger public servants had experienced. Ministers were still settling in, and like the officials whirling around them, adjusting to the new reality.”
  
  That kinda sounds like an echo of “nine years of neglect”
  
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  October 26, 2021 12:54pm
I remember when

The endless journey:
Are we there yet.
First it was we will close down for a short sharp break.
Then it was control the peak.
Next just a matter of time before we have vaccine and we can get back to normal.
After that, we waited because others needed the vaccine more urgently than we did.
Followed by a slow roll-out of vaccination.
Is it going to work against the new variants.
Finally, we had a reach an anything but clearly defined vaccination percentage.
Now it is 90% first vaccination and wait for three or four weeks and then get the second.
In conclusion we wait for the production of the Vaccination Passport and normal life’s return.
Are we there yet.

Than I saw a graph showing how effective the annual flu jab is.
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October 26, 2021 8:19am
KevO'Brien

But wait, there’s more:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/final-solution/5758334
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October 26, 2021 8:24am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  “How come, it hasn’t occurred to everyone yet, that there is something wrong? Badly wrong. Can it be that it is simply cognitive dissonance? You know that there is something horribly wrong, but your comfort zone doesn’t allow you to admit it?”
  
  This is true. You either see what is happening and are thinking about your next move, or you see what’s happening but refuse to admit it to yourself, because the thought, rightly, make you sick to your stomach. There is perhaps a third class of people, those who wouldn’t realise what is going on because they are comatose.
  
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  October 26, 2021 12:57pm
Frank the tank

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-jokes-job-avoid-answering-the-medias-questions

I see the old coot is going down the Blairite’s route of using school visits when the road gets tough.

Is there anyone now that can argue he is a better option as president than Trump?
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October 26, 2021 8:34am
- sooty
  
  Our Darling Leader, use to do kindy visists as the school visits were a bit out of her league.
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:50am
- Ed Snack
  
  Mr President sir, Mr Biden, I have good news and bad news…
  
  The bad news is that the supply chain problems are worsening and stores are having to cover up their empty shelves using large coloured plastic bottles.
  
  So what is the good news then ?
  
  We have a plentiful supply of empty, large, coloured, plastic bottles available….
  
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  October 26, 2021 12:34pm
ecco

Listened to Peeni Henare on Hosking’s show this morning. That guy is definitely angling for the Minister of Health job. Truly scary if someone like that gets the job. I guess Ardern is aiming for an all maori ministerial team. Would look good on her CV I guess for the UN job she’s hunting.

All Henare could say about the $120m more thrown at the maoris last week was that it would be used for ‘one on one discussions’ with hard to reach maoris. What a f*@king rort. FFS how bloodly long is that going to take. Never.

Is there going to be any accountability for that money or is it just going to be given to the maraes for all sorts of activities in the name of covid? Absolutely no time frames.

Leaves you in despair with where Ardern and Robertson are taking this country. At the same time totally dismantling the Auckland economy due to this failed covid response. The nightmare for Aucklanders just gets worse.
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October 26, 2021 8:37am
- KevO'Brien
  
  “One to one discussions”? The tribes no longer own most Maori descendants. Some are now in their own tribes a.k.a. gangs.
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:22am
- septic skeptic
  
  What gets me is that the MSM are not calling Maori out on this overt racism. The claim is that Maori can only be persuaded by familiar brown faces. One would hope this is not the case, and it’s just a matter of bribery, troughing and getting a few freebies. But if this is a thing, then we have a clear problem with Maori racism.
  Judging from the fact that we even have a Maori party, and that we see racist attitudes from a large number of Maori politicians – this could be a real issue among Maori.
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:38am
- Bob
  
  Leaves you in despair with where…..
  those of us olde enough to have observed the formation of Communist Cuba, the Communist Soviet Union and several despotic Central African states, KNOW EXACTLT where Ardern, Roberston, Mahuta, Parker and the epidemiologist experts are taking us.
  It is not a place one would voluntarily choose; unless you are one of the 53.7% of unintelligent electors in 2020
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:56am
I remember when

What will the outcome be in regards to Vaccination Passports.
Not wanting to tire myself considering any real research I have simply thought up some answers.
Firstly, needing a Passport to enter Cafes, Bars or Restaurants will work as long as the business stays profitable.
Again with Festivals and large shows, it depends on their ability to make a profit.
If there is no Show there is no need for a Passport.
What affect with the unvaccinated have on the number of attendees.
Are 10% +/- the difference between profitability and bankruptcy.
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October 26, 2021 8:37am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The difference will be when the jabbed make something like Rhythm and Vines a super spreader event, which they will. Of course it will be blamed on those who choose not to take the jab.
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:39am
  - Flossie
    
    You are not seriously suggesting that only unvaccinated can spread the virus? I understood anyone can pass it on.
    The only benefit I can see from being jabbed is that if I catch it then my illness (if any) will be less of a worry than if I was not jabbed. Hopefully.
    
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    October 26, 2021 11:00am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You’ve got it right, Flossie… but our PM has identified the unvaccinated as the transmitters of the disease.
      
      Clearly she (and her advisors?) hasn’t read the research that shows vaccinated folk can have and can shed a high covid viral load.
      
      https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211001/Similar-viral-load-in-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-individuals-infected-with-SARS-CoV-2-Delta-variant.aspx
      
      https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people
      
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      October 26, 2021 12:10pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    But it will be hard for them to blame the unvaccinated when only the vaccinated are allowed to attend!
    
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    October 26, 2021 11:13am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      They’ll find a way, and a lot of stupid people will believe them.
      
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      October 26, 2021 1:26pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Rhythm and Vines is outdoors isn’t it ? If so, negligible risk of any spread at all, except maybe between consenting and over passionate adults.
    
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    October 26, 2021 7:33pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  You are absolutely right, the government will continue to pay out subsidies to companies that agree to police their policies.
  
  In short they will work for the government.
  
  The bottom line is life will not be returning to normal anytime soon.
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:57am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  It really comes down to prioritisng some meagre short-term profits, over a lifetime of slavery for yourself and for your descendants. I don’t care if you are vaxxed or unvaxxed: either way, vaccine passports are in nobody’s interests other than those who seek to make us all their serfs. We only get one opportunity to revolt, and this is it.
  
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  October 26, 2021 1:01pm
Paulus

Regarding the Glasgow “conference” I am told that our Cindy is not going BUT there are 25,000 attendees and to lose the opportunity to stand on the stage with luminaries such as as Greta Thunberg and David Attenborough and James Shaw.
Currently her Majesty is going but at least Prince Charles and others family members will be there.
Scotty Morrison is on his way.
Have extreme difficulty in believing that Cindy would not be party to this great audience of a life time.
James is/has taken 16 Green others – with Cindy there then our wunnerful media acolytes like Tova and Jessie can go along with hundreds of photographers and writers.
Miss all that.
And she is not going ?
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October 26, 2021 8:38am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Do James and his posse of hangers on realise they are a threat to public health, both there and here? Hospital appointments are being postponed for the duration of this circus and they are stating that it will also cause a surge in covid cases.
  Paywalled, but you get the gist.
  
  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-in-scotland-arrival-of-cop26-delegates-will-fuel-rise-in-cases-d3t2hwvj2
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:42am
- Paulus
  
  Dozy Joe Biden is going now !
  
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  October 26, 2021 1:47pm
- yossarian
  
  Yet she won’t go to Auckland…shows where her priorities are.
  
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  October 27, 2021 6:05am
Captain Mainwaring

So that’s 16 comments exclusively on Covid (so far).
Can we now have a seperate GD for general business?
Thanks DPF.
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October 26, 2021 8:38am
- david
  
  Over to you to post a comment on a subject of interest Captain.
  just sayin’
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:44am
- PhilBest
  
  General business has been rendered irrelevant by “Covid”. What is the point in talking about things that are part of a past that is not coming back unless we revolt and demand they come back? Would you have been insisting on in-depth discussions of the merits of different wine growing regions, distillation techniques, grain selection, etc during Prohibition in the USA? All pointless unless you are willing to fight to get stuff BACK.
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:59am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    Captain is clearly one who wants to stick his head in the sand and suck his thumb because he cannot cope with the horror of the reality that is baring down on him. There is NO issue more important than avoiding sleepwalking into slavery. Once we avoid that, we can then go back to complaining about “those Lefties couldn’t run a bath!” and other inanities.
    
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    October 26, 2021 1:05pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I have commented on something non COVID below. You are welcome 🙂
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:06am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Captain M,
  
  Hi. You’ve been here a while, so you must remember previous times over the years that a topic has so consumed everyone that it’s taken over GD for long periods of time. Most of those topics generally have people who don’t like the debate calling for a separate GD. This never amounts to a separate GD.
  
  I’ll second what david in this comment thread said, if you don’t like the topic, post on something different. If people want to engage with that, they will.
  
  Your other option is to just not read GD anymore. I do that with radio, as most of the announcers are so rabid, I can only bear with them for small doses to hear what is going on.
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:41am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Start a thread on Bain or Lundy Capt’n, always good for a laugh and about 100 posts before 9.00, plenty to keep you busy / amused . . .
    
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    October 26, 2021 3:51pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Yes, those names are like meat to starving dogs.
      
      Typically, whatever page they start, you might as well abandon that post.
      
      This is where moderation is good, tends to slow them down.
      
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      October 26, 2021 7:35pm
- Harlequin
  
  Agree totally Captain. GD has turned into General Covid Drivel. From the upticks that you got I’m guessing that many are over trawling through the repetitions of the dwindling numbers of amateur scientists and researchers desperate to seek affirmation from a shrinking number in their echo chamber of misery.
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:54am
Aunty

From today’s NZ Herald.

Covid-19 Delta outbreak: When Deputy Prime Minister Grant Robertson expects restrictions to lift in Auckland

“For those who wanted to leave the super city, the government did want to facilitate Aucklanders being able to leave over the Christmas period and was still looking at how they could let people who were double jabbed and had a negative test through.”

This is concerning. My take on this statement from Robertson is that it implies that the Government intends to keep the Auckland border in place throughout the Christmas New Year period and beyond. So when exactly are they going to remove it? Furthermore, it would seem to be saying that they will not allow non-Aucklanders to cross the border into Auckland to visit it, only doubled-vaxxed negative-tested Aucklanders to leave it.

Not good.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-when-deputy-prime-minister-grant-robertson-expects-restrictions-to-lift-in-auckland/4S3AAFQFNY2IEC6BNAC6Y7M5AE/
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October 26, 2021 8:43am
- Gordon Shumway
  
  Tourism businesses have been banging on for ages about the refusal of Govt to commit to international border re-opening, even with 90% targets. Kiwis were generally happy to “have no tourists”. Now that people are being affected by the new domestic Auckland border, they are starting to realise what’s at stake. Hundreds of people with COVID are currently at home or at “other” (non-hospital) locations, so quarantine for all cases is a policy that’s finished.
  
  We should all be telling Government that 14-day hotel isolation for returning, vaccinated NZers is a total waste of time and money for everyone, since COVID is obviously already in the community. There are other ways to manage the risk of cross-border transmission.
  Then we can work on getting rid of the domestic border, too.
  
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  October 26, 2021 12:50pm
  - IndividualResponsibility
    
    Gordon, (or should I say Alf!) so glad to hear you are still alive and well, despite what they said about you returning to Melmac. I trust Rhonda is fine too. I have very fond memories of your shows, and you may be impressed (or not!) to know that my 4 year old grandson has a life size (3 feet high) puppet version of you in his care. Kind regards, IR.
    
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    October 26, 2021 4:13pm
- Akarak
  
  It was my understanding that the border restrictions applying to Auckland would remain in place until ALL New Zealand DHBs reach the 90% target (not forgetting that you will still need a Vaccination Certificate).
  
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  October 26, 2021 4:57pm
lifesgood

Sorry Captn, here’s another one. Has anyone given any thought to the many thousands of illegal immigrants in NZ. They’re not likely to front up for a jab, are they?
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October 26, 2021 8:45am
- sooty
  
  They say that the jab is avaliable to then with no repercussion. But will they pickup the vacine passport!
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:54am
- Paulus
  
  Estimated at some 14,000 illegals, mostly PIs, and in Auckland.
  They do not have a Health number in their own names either, and possibly others are getting vaxes for them in other names.
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:04am
  - Bridgenag
    
    I worry about the testing…why would anybody have a test unless they want to get a holiday at home on full pay. If you have a cough just stay home. Awful lot of hale and hearty folks turning up for tests
    
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    October 26, 2021 1:49pm
  - Jack5
    
    These are illegals glorified by the taxpayer-funded film about immigration raids in Auckland?
    
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    October 26, 2021 2:00pm
emmess

Can we play by the same rules that the mainstream media do?
Ok cool

Joe Biden says ‘I have the freedom to kill you’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah2GWiw0VLg
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October 26, 2021 8:56am
Benedict Yu

Something non COVID.

I was looking at energy consumption forecasts this morning. I don’t have time to comment extensively, but in summary, petroleum production is about to hit a post COVID high of 100 billion barrels per day. Demand forecasts for the next few years remains strong with a slow decline in petroleum for road transport but boom times for aviation fuel and for the use of petroleum as feedstock for chemicals and plastics.

Options traders are betting on oil prices at $200 per barrel by December 2022. Sure they are outliers but the consensus seem to be $130 per barrel by Q1 2022. (That would mean, roughly, $NZ 2.85 per litre for 91 octane petrol for us.)
Natural gas is forecast to remain a kind of golden fuel through to 2040 at least.

So this got me thinking – these market forecasts are not consistent with the reductions in fossil fuel use that will be required to meet ‘climate change commitments’ by politicians. It seems that in the real world, the options traders, airlines, airplane manufacturers, LNG transport operations and Australia, Russia, Qatar, and the USA as the gas nations are going gang busters.

It is like an Alice in Wonderland world where everything is not as the politicians say.

Meanwhile in New Zealand we have banned exploring for natural gas, the energy source that is in great demand, today and for at least the next 20 years.
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October 26, 2021 9:05am
- amospicton
  
  With respect Benedict petroleum product can’t be 100 billion barrels per day – that’s 12 barrels per person per day. 100 million maybe? My view is prices continue to rise – there has been underinvestment in production for obvious reasons and demand increases because for every electric car adopter in the west there are many more in emerging markets who can afford their first car/motorcycle powered by the internal combustion engine.
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:41am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Sorry typo – 100 million bpd
    
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    October 26, 2021 12:42pm
- Taieri
  
  Meanwhile in New Zealand we have banned exploring for natural gas, the energy source that is in great demand, today and for at least the next 20 years
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  Not just in NZ. Exploration has been greatly reduced in most of developed countries. Although not in places like, for example Guyana and Angola. It is unlikely to resume anytime soon as the industry has virtually collapsed and won’t easily recover. We can see the effects of this already, be it in the prices of gas in Europe or at the local bowser in Tamaki Whatever.
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:47am
- PhilBest
  
  I keep recommending THIS as compulsory remedial education for Cindy and her ignorant hangers-on:
  
  https://policom.com/wp-content/uploads/2018-Flow-of-Money.pdf
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:49am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Over at Not PC (Peter Cresswell’s blog), there were a few older posts he’d done on power generation in NZ, but the last one was years old.
  
  So I produced an update of the situation and… it’s not great, NZ Power Blows. The sad thing is, as I discovered in talking with Peter, that people just don’t seem to give a shit about such analysis, and that includes the politicians.
  
  Same with Energy Charades with coal in places like China and India:
  
  China plans to build 250 gigawatts of coal-fired generating capacity to add to its current coal-fired fleet of over 1,000 gigawatts—more coal-fired capacity than the entire U.S. generating fleet.
  
  Last year, China opened the $30 billion Haoji Railway line, a 2,000-kilometer (1,243-mile) conduit to haul 200 million tons of coal a year directly from central coal mining basins to regions in the southeast.
  
  To me, that last is more of a tell than arguments over the number of coal-fired stations planned and under construction. You don’t build that sort of logistics backup unless you’re determined to build more, new coal-fired stations.
  
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  October 26, 2021 12:43pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone hear on Hosking how Cindy backed in the sign language interpreter and kept backing and no apology?
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October 26, 2021 9:16am
- Nickc2
  
  Here it is again. I posted it early this morning on yesterday’s GD. Watch the video then scroll down through the freeze frames. Priceless. As Hosking said, no mention by our MSM,
  
  “Don’t shade ME,” mutters Cindy as she . . . . .
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10126663/Jacinda-Ardern-slammed-pushing-sign-language-interpreter-view.html
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:23am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    The language has changed.
    
    They are looking increasingly desperate.
    
    They have backed themselves into a corner.
    
    Expect the level of oppression to ramp up,
    
    Life will not be returning to normal anytime soon, my guess is a change of government will be required as a minimum.
    
    That’s what 2 years away.
    
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    October 26, 2021 11:15am
    - Don Beckett
      
      [Once is enough in GD. mod.]
      
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      October 26, 2021 12:48pm
    - Miritu
      
      Do you think much will change with a National govt?
      
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      October 27, 2021 2:05pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks Nick. I will distribute.
    
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    October 26, 2021 12:24pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I have sent the link to TVNZ.
    
    This is getting to be a trend how she treats people she considers underlings. Looks at the issue with her wedding venue.
    
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    October 26, 2021 1:08pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Ah, but she will make a lovely bride! //
      
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      October 26, 2021 2:09pm
      - Flossie
        
        I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
        If she gets a wedding and I don’t get to go to my grandchildren for Christmas I’ll be livid.
        
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        October 26, 2021 3:29pm
      - Mr_Blobby
        
        Might be a bit long in the tooth.
        
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        October 26, 2021 6:05pm
- greybeard
  
  Hosking really let rip this morning, both at 6:05am and even better at 7:25am.
  Well worth listening again on “NewstalkZB On-demand”
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:27am
  - ecco
    
    It’s getting pretty bad mentally up in Auckland. People outside of the Auckland area have no idea how intolerable it is living up here at the moment.
    
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    October 26, 2021 11:06am
  - Paulus
    
    Looks as though Robertson is now Acting Prime Minister practicing for the real thing in the not too distant future.
    Remember she has a Wedding to attend, APEC Chair and possible Glasgow now that Biden is going to be there.
    
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    October 26, 2021 11:07am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      Biden may well be there, but will he know he is there.
      
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      October 26, 2021 6:06pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Has she developed a neuro problem from overwork and now walks backwards without warning?
  (Not impossible, I know such a case.)
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:40am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Overwork. You must be joking.
    
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    October 26, 2021 9:59am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      We don’t see her after hours, chewing the fat, baby care, tending movie-man, worrying about the nation she’s loosing control of–hard times for a Winston appointee.
      
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      October 26, 2021 10:26am
  - Inandout
    
    KO, medication has that effect, I once found.
    
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    October 26, 2021 10:00am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Amendment: here’s the video–
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10126663/Jacinda-Ardern-slammed-pushing-sign-language-interpreter-view.html
    
    Rudeness
    
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    October 26, 2021 11:17am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Astonishing moment New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern BARGES a sign language interpreter out of the way during a Covid press conference – and she’s NOT happy about it | Daily Mail Australia
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:04am
- Paulus
  
  She is typically a rude person – and heaven help anybody who gets in her way.
  
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  October 26, 2021 1:49pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Here is a short 9 second clip on YouTube. It allows comments. One of her faithful claim is was an accident. I think the first collision was but she keep moving and did not give the woman time to get out of the way.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZBBhXnI-8U
  
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  October 26, 2021 2:11pm
  - Miritu
    
    There is plenty to criticise Ardern about, but to be fair it looks accidental to me. She kind of acknowledges in apology
    
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    October 27, 2021 2:17pm
ABS4EVA

Kia Ora Kiwi Whanau
And General Sheep Lovers

I put this on repeat for 30 minutes on Full Boar

So to Honour the Treaty I need to point out there is one of those

Tinorara tinno tunga flags in the Crowd
Minute 3:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHuWcJUrP6Y

Not sure what that has to do with Miley Sirus

The Song is called Black Dog (Mangu Kuri)

I must also point out that the NZ Native
Dog was (white) there were actually
2 species/breeds of Native
Dog.

Both extinct

That indicates strongly that there were
2 COLONISATIONS of Zealandia

The white colour of the Native Dog
could indicated it COLONISED a
Snowy continent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C4%AB

https://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/object/1153635

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealandia

I wonder if the Continent that was submersed by the time of the Polynesian COLONISATION

will be renamed as AOTEAROIA
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October 26, 2021 9:20am
- Jack5
  
  Aboriginals-for-ever are you saying Eskimos settled NZ before Maori?
  
  White dogs? Samoyed?
  
  How did they get here: super-refrigerated iceberg in the last Ice Age?
  
  Don’t be frightened of using the word, Eskimo. It’s mostly Inuit who don’t like it, and many Yupik Arctic people would prefer being called Eskimo than being called Inuit.
  
  If that notorious bawdy Canadian ballad had been called Inuit Nell, everyone would want to be called an Eskimo rather than an Inuit.
  
  But how do you get Samoyeds and huskies to NZ, Aboriginals-for-ever?
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:00am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Inuit Nell, When a man grows old and his…… grow cold, and tip on the end goes green ?
    
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    October 26, 2021 12:38pm
    - Jack5
      
      Where even the dead sleep two in a bed,
      And the nights are six months long …
      
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      October 26, 2021 1:56pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        “Going like the pistons on the mighty CPR,
        And if you seen those pistons go
        You’ll know what pistons are…”
        
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        October 26, 2021 2:51pm
emmess

Paul Joseph Watson on our esteemed leader
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNY4nI_rtdQ
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October 26, 2021 9:23am
burt

Still dreaming we can eliminate covid – when do we just wake up and get with the program that we’re going to need to live with it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300438158/call-for-predeparture-covid19-tests-for-travel-to-south-island
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October 26, 2021 9:33am
- Inthe09
  
  Crazy.
  
  1. Pushes the likely peak of COVID cases in the South Island to the wrong end of summer
  2. Drives a whole lot of people that would travel (and spend money) to say ‘stuff it’ and not bother
  
  If only we’d spent $10 billion on some extra doctors, nurses and ICU facilities 18 months ago…
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:40am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Three young woman we know had booked a two week summer road trip through the South Island. All canned now so that’s some $4500 that won’t be spent, plus the incidentals. The fact that two of them were vaccinated did not come into the picture, although they acknowledge it might have been a problem. Best to just get the money back now.
    
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    October 26, 2021 1:02pm
Warren

Government in talks about mandating Covid-19 jobs for more.
The Government is working with Business , Unions and employee groups about mandating Covid – 19 Vaccinations for more workers, says Grant Robertson.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/10/25/govt-in-talks-about-mandating-covid-19-jabs-for-more-workers/
This is another plan to implement us to a dictatorship and remove any argument that people have a right to voice, now I have been fully vaccinated for over 3 months and was my right to choose what I wanted so why should those that don’t want that choice have no alternate and be forced by the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, Deputy Grant Robertson and Health Director Ashley Bloomfield, this is becoming a dangerous situation that could devide this Country like never before.
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October 26, 2021 9:33am
Maggy Wassilieff

Tina Ngata has provided a check-list of things to consider if you or your dependants catch Covid.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/25-10-2021/planning-for-delta-at-a-community-level/

It’s focused on Maori Family and communities, but contains good ideas that everyone could embrace.

Has anyone seen anything similar prepared for other community groups/family set-ups?

The one thing we should all do when the virus strikes our districts is check in with our neighbours….I will be ignoring our PM’s order “Do not talk to your neighbours”.
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October 26, 2021 9:34am
kevn

“Worse than useless, dangerous”.
Yep, indeed.
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October 26, 2021 9:35am
dime

Its a matter of time until all the islands who tried to “eradicade” covid come unstuck.

Isle of Man locked down. Jacinda style. now 100 cases a day in a population of 90,000..

What worries Dime – what happens when this thing hits samoa. yikes.
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October 26, 2021 9:37am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Meanwhile in Norway…
  
  https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7/status/1452666184923484162?t=GSH25bXtTI9sszJ21PV_2A&s=19
  
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  October 26, 2021 1:46pm
Aquataur

Very noticeable that the feral Horrid has so very few articles with comments allowed. In particular none of Derek Chengs article are open for comments.

And I notice the comments section are being more quickly closed mostly because the shear amount of negative comments towards JA and the Herald writers have become overwhelming.

Hopefully the tide is turning but note how the media is shutting down just about every avenue to express an alternative view – even the comments section, FFS
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October 26, 2021 9:40am
- ecco
  
  That’s why I appreciate the platform DPF provides here and there is very little moderation, even for known trolls.
  
  The tactics at the Ferald are an arsenal of tactics they use which include any criticism of Ardern behind the paywall, any right leaning piece behind the paywall, only flattering photos of Ardern, government propaganda parading as editorial (think the Ferald 90% vax target) etc etc. Nothing $55m can’t buy. It’s worse than a communist country what the woman has done to the NZ media.
  
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  October 26, 2021 6:37pm
Nickc2

What a fucking hypocrite
Minister for Māori Development Willie Jackson says the 90 percent target is a way for all of Aotearoa to work together is “the best way” to go forward.
What about He Puapua, 3 Waters, Maori Health Agency, Maori Justice System and separate Maori Govt Willie?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/covid-jab-target-the-right-solution-going-forward-despite-concerns-m%C4%81ori-may-be-left-behind-jackson/ar-AAPW9GH?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
It doesnt suit your narrative to mention that does it Willie? What about your leader’s statement about separate development Willie?
https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/10/26/the-team-of-90/
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October 26, 2021 9:45am
- Stu2
  
  It would get ugly if the only thing holding most of NZ in level 2 was Maori being short of a specific maori target. So they sidestepped it.
  
  What the journos could be asking is whether Jackson or Henare think maori will reach 90% in Lakes, Northland and Tairawhiti, and if so when.
  
  Just answer the question minister …
  
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  October 26, 2021 5:10pm
Stu2

I have had a quick look at what vax levels would be needed to get Tairawhiti DHB to 90% first dose.

These splits are Maori/Pacific/other
Eligible population 19839/965/21161
Current first doses 64.9%/87.7%/86.0%/overall 76.1%

Scenario 1 80.0%/90.0%/92.5%/overall 86.5%
Well short of 90, a higher Maori rate is needed

Scenario 2 85.0%/92.5%/92.5%/overall 89%
Just about. Needs a +20% increase in the Maori rate though

Scenario 3 87.5%/92.5%/92.5%/overall 90.1%

Could the current Maori rate of 64.9% be pushed to 85% or 87.5%? I don’t think so, unless there is a significantly fatal outbreak in the area. Even in Counties-Manukau DHB the Maori rate is only 70.4% with numerous cases.

Can Tairawhiti reach 90%. Don’t think so. But it will take weeks and weeks to find out, while most of NZ sits at level 2.
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October 26, 2021 9:48am
- burt
  
  In reality, with vaccine passports expiring 6 months after the last clot shot you had we’ll never get to 90%.
  
  The mythical 90% is a fools errand, the moment we reach it booster requirements will invalidate it.
  
  It seriously is time we pressed government on the booster strategy they will implement before we all comply with their requirements that will demand it long term.
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:29am
  - Stu2
    
    My immediate concern is being stuck in a holding pattern until the govt admits 90% in every DHB is a fantasy.
    
    The govt were pushed for a Maori and Pacifica target of 95%, and one of the Greens wanted the same thing. Off the planet, not happening.
    
    All very virtuous to pluck impossible numbers out of a hat, but our businesses and national debt are paying the price.
    
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    October 26, 2021 10:35am
    - septic skeptic
      
      By “one of the greens” you mean James Shaw. Party leader, government minister, the sensible face of the greens, a nice guy and allegedly someone that National could work with in a coalition (according to some).
      
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      October 26, 2021 11:41am
      - Stu2
        
        Nope, Genter
        
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        October 26, 2021 12:16pm
- Jethrod
  
  Perhaps the PM has done her Maths too and that is why the royal wedding has moved out of Gisborne?
  
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  October 26, 2021 3:37pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Not very far out of Gisborne city….
    still within the Tairawhiti DHB boundary
    
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    October 26, 2021 9:32pm
dime

The IRD targeting 400 families worth 20 million or more.

“to understand wealth and the fairness of the tax system”.

Feels to me like they are building a case for a wealth tax.

“its only 1% per year for people worth 20 million or more” type shit.
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October 26, 2021 9:49am
- alloytoo
  
  Fairness in the tax system would be everyone paying the same amount.
  
  It’s would probably also be fair if everyone paid the same percentage.
  
  Tax isn’t and has never been fair simply because you can’t tax anyone who doesn’t have money.
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:35am
  - Bridgenag
    
    I don’t think the Maori trusts with huge incomes pay tax
    
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    October 26, 2021 1:53pm
Fletch

We made Breitbart –

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/10/24/new-zealand-prime-minister-admits-she-wants-create-two-classes-citizens-based-vaccination-status/
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October 26, 2021 10:01am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Very scary apartheid actively promoted by the government.
  
  The ongoing oppression of the population has ramped up another level.
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:36am
- Ed Snack
  
  Time to start a Twitter hashtag #Jackbootjacinda
  
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  October 26, 2021 12:41pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Its already started – see my comment further down.
    A petition has been launched calling on the Divider in Chief Ardern to resign.
    
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    October 26, 2021 1:06pm
Flossie

I am still wondering about the logistics of a “passport check” at Auckland’s border. Every holiday period has traditionally meant traffic crawling along motorways north and south of the city in normal times, so are we going to have to consider taking food and drinks on even a shortish trip outside the “boundary” to allow for checking our papers (scary thought! 1940’s??) And what about toilet needs? I don’t know if this lot think anything through.
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October 26, 2021 10:08am
- Inthe09
  
  Yes it’ll be a total cluster – hot car, scratchy kids. One can only hope a few of the folks sitting in said cars reflect on how we ended up here and reconsider their support of the Government.
  
  That’s before you get to the Iwi roadblocks – there is a flashpoint waiting to happen. You’ve already spent hours in a queue, been interrogated about why you are travelling and had to show your ‘papers’ only to come across yet another queue and guys in high vis throwing their weight around with no cop in sight.
  
  If everyone has to get a negative test to leave Auckland, and everyone wants to leave Dec 24/25/26 how are we going to get all those tests processed in time?
  
  You just know it’s going to be a screw-up of epic proportions.
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:57am
MCos

I read that there is some agitation in the South Island for visitors from the North to be screened to ensure the bug never crosses Cook Strait.
There is also agitation from other quarters for the MIQ confinement to be reduced to seven days.
Yesterday someone who’d arrived at Chch from the US returned a positive test on day twelve.

Certain things are clear. Once vaccination rates are up a bit the MIQ system will be loosened, particularly for people coming from Oz & maybe other low risk countries, on direct flights.
People will be told to self isolate at home for a period of time, but they won’t.
Whatever happens the bug has the South Island on it’s itinerary.
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October 26, 2021 10:09am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Oz is a low risk country?
  
  No they have just decided to live with the virus.
  
  We should to.
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:38am
Fletch

A look at the vaccination rates in Singapore – 84% fully vaxxed.

https://www.straitstimes.com/multimedia/graphics/2021/06/singapore-covid-vaccination-tracker/index.html?shell

And how are they doing as regards cases rates and death rates? Awfully.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/

Case and death rates are worse now than they were last year when there was no vaccine. The same goes for America. The death toll for 2021 has surpassed that of 2020.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2021/10/06/us-covid-19-deaths-for-2021-surpass-toll-from-2020/?sh=473554e06cc2

It’s all to do with the leaky vaccines? Seems like it. They are just making things far worse.
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October 26, 2021 10:15am
- MCos
  
  69% of the population of Singapore is fully vaccinated.
  The population of the country is c6,667,000 of whom c4,573,000 are fully vaccinated according to that article.
  61% of the total population of NZ is fully vaccinated.
  
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  October 26, 2021 12:09pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    According to the Singapore Straits Times, as at 23 October, 85% of the Singapore population had received at least 1 jab, and 84% had received at least 2. That is percent of total population, and they are not (yet) vaccinating children (<12). So pretty close to all are vaccinated.
    
    Not sure where you get 69% from.
    
    They are using Pfizer and Moderna mostly, but also have distributed AZ, Sinopharm, and Sinovac. Only those 12 and older are eligible, with the youngest 12-18 group eligible since June.
    
    The incidence is almost entirely amongst the vaccinated, though non-permanent residents are not eligible to get free jabs.
    
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    October 26, 2021 12:52pm
    - MCos
      
      According to the article posted above 4,573,743 people were fully vaccinated at the time.
      The population of Singapore is 5,910,674.
      My apologies. My figure above was wrong.
      That’s 77% of the total population.
      
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      October 26, 2021 2:31pm
    - MCos
      
      https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/more-covid-19-patients-in-singapore-reported-to-have-died-in-october-than-18-months-prior
      According to this article from 20-October there were 169 deaths so far that months of whom 55 were fully vaccinated people.
      Considering the fully vaccinated make up the vast majority of the population one could say being unvaccinated is a risky proposition, even if the risk of death is still low.
      One still wonders why they suddenly have upwards of 3000 cases/day after a year of virtually nothing.
      As I recall back at the start of the pandemic they had problems with workers living in closed confinement.
      
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      October 26, 2021 2:50pm
Fletch

Question – it seems to me that everyone I talk to knows someone affected adversely by the vaccine. Talking to someone yesterday who said a workmate had the shot and now has a paralyzed side of face and arm. Likely won’t be back to work.

How many people on Kiwiblog know someone affected by the vaccine? I’d be interested to know.
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October 26, 2021 10:18am
- Taieri
  
  Self, my spouse and sister in law, all in the late 50’s or early 60’s, all double vaccinated with Pfitzer, no side effects at all. Son and his girlfriend in the mid and early 30’s double vaccinated with Pfitzer – no side effects at all.
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:42am
- ClanMcleod
  
  [Once is enough. mod.]
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:51am
- dime
  
  my brothers workmates retarded neices friend stubbed their toe after the vaccine?
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just because they saw Donald Trump on TV – therefore it is Trump’s fault that she thought she had a reaction to Covid vax//
    
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    October 26, 2021 3:37pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Anything from a sore Arm for a few days to sick for 2 weeks.
  
  1 suspected death jab in morning dead that afternoon.
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:41am
- Aquataur
  
  3 I know of :-
  
  Partner’s previous business manager diagnosd with Bell’s Palsy within a few days of taking jab; told it wasn’t a known side effect of the jab.
  
  Daughter’s IT guy at work ; young mid 30s type who dropped dead within 48 hours of jab.
  
  Neighbour – fit 40 year old outdoor worker ; spent 4 days in bed feeling very miserable
  
  Safe, eh ?
  
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  October 26, 2021 12:09pm
  - Aquataur
    
    What’s with the downticks
    
    Or are you morons who can’t handle facts that don’t suit your moronic narrative?
    
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    October 26, 2021 5:38pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      There are those who are so blind that they WILL not see.
      
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      October 26, 2021 6:14pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  What are the chances? NZ media normally doesn’t mention the ‘S’ word. A 25 year old crashes his car and now they are investigating if it was suicide?
  
  Rugby star Sean Wainui’s death: Coroner confirms investigation into suspected suicide
  
  I don’t know what’s worse, suicide or vaccine caused death. Actually, suicide is worse. Had my best friend die this way when we were teenagers. Would have preferred an accident rather that she deliberately kill herself.
  
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  October 26, 2021 12:47pm
- Surely Knott
  
  A neighbourhood acquaintance had a bad case of covid in the first wave. Got the vaccine and ended up in the cardiac ward.
  
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  October 26, 2021 12:54pm
- Michael Johnston
  
  My wife had menstrual bleeding very early in her cycle following the first shot. She has never been so early before. She checked in with her friends and found a few other women had experienced similar effects.
  
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  October 26, 2021 2:02pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    A link is plausible and should be investigated
    
    Menstrual changes after covid-19 vaccination | BMJ
    
    NICHD recently awarded five institutions one-year supplemental grants totaling $1.67 million to explore potential links between COVID-19 vaccination and menstrual changes.
    
    COVID-19 Vaccines and the Menstrual Cycle | NIH Covid-19 Research
    
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    October 26, 2021 2:36pm
- NoFax
  
  No one I know in the family, nor friends, nor work. Most people said a saw arm for a day – that was the worse.
  
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  October 26, 2021 2:48pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  A brother-in-law turned up the other day complaining about the pain in his hands and arms . First dose started continuing trouble and the second has added his hands and wrists.
  
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  October 26, 2021 3:16pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Work colleagues wife who was in bed for 5 days following second jab due to feeling so unwell. Another colleague who had a prolonged shingles like outbreak.
  Mother who has developed some gastro and neurological issues post first jab. Friends of sister who have developed neurological and respiratory issues serious enough to prevent them from working after second jabs.
  
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  October 26, 2021 3:59pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Research Pharmacist daughter very ill with Delta after 1st shot. Bedridden for 10 days. Said she’d never been so ill in her life. Chest & arms tingling, terrible cough, high temperature.
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:04pm
- Spenditb4theytaxit
  
  Double vaxed. Can now understand Chinese movies without the subtitles.
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:39pm
- Aurelia
  
  Hubbo got bells palsy after 2nd shot. A friend of mine said her colleague went straight to hospital after 2nd dose with heart inflam. In there 5 days. Let out and straight back into hospital again. Another pal said her varicose vein had become thicker since 2nd jab. I told her to watch for blood clots as associated with pifzer too.
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:46pm
Southern Raider

Robertson has just claimed that Counties Manukau DHB will hit 90% by end of this week and then second doses have Auckland on target to go to the traffic light system by end of November

Is he smoking weed or is Labour going to fudge numbers in the background as they come under huge public pressure from Aucklanders?

As of yesterday Counties needed 11,700 more first jabs and only achieved 650 on Sunday. It’s a bit of a concern our Finance Minister can’t do basic math. That looks more like 20 days or three weeks as best guess and then need way more than three weeks to convert 100% to second jabbed
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October 26, 2021 10:20am
- Stu2
  
  Sunday was extremely low across the country.
  The recent Counties Manukau first doses were :
  
  Friday 1,516
  Saturday 2,014
  Sunday 695
  
  Doesn’t look like 11,700 will take long
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:45am
- Libertarians are right
  
  I believe they are considering removing anyone that is refusing on religious reasons from the stats. That would almost certainly push Counties Manukau over 90%.
  
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  October 26, 2021 1:14pm
  - NoFax
    
    It would be good if they included those that have made an active decision not to be jabbed – consciousness objectors of sort. So we can then say X amount of people don’t want the vax and, therefore, only y amount of people do but have not yet. Why wait around for those who have actively made a decision.
    
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    October 26, 2021 2:50pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Those who guard the numbers decide their use.
  
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  October 26, 2021 3:17pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Speaking of numbers, what’s being used as the Govt’s basis for the Nation’s racial identification data? If it’s the 2018 Census, there’s been a lot of changes since then and people weren’t required to provide evidence of their racial identity AFIK.
    
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    October 26, 2021 3:38pm
    - Stu2
      
      They are using a health dataset
      
      A few of the notes from the MoH weekly sheet
      
      The Health Service User (HSU) population and COVID-19 vaccine coverage reporting
      – the Health Service User population estimate counts the number of people who received health services in a given year. Someone is counted in the population if their associated National Health Index (NHI) number received public health services; or was enrolled with a primary health organisation (PHO).
      
      – The HSU population estimate was generated from data on 5th July 2021 and captures health service users in the 2020 calendar year
      
      – The HSU does not include everyone in New Zealand. By definition, the HSU is not a total population estimate: it includes people who received health services or were PHO enrolled in a given year. This does not cover everyone in New Zealand. The HSU is likely to miss highly marginalised groups. Also, the datasets used to create the HSU are not always complete, for example we do not receive complete reporting of all private hospital events in New Zealand.
      
      – This means that some groups are underrepresented in the HSU. Analysis done in the Integrated Data Infrastructure (IDI) suggests that groups underrepresented in the HSU include young people aged 15-45 years (men in particular), and people of Asian and MELAA ethnicity. Using the HSU as a denominator could overestimate vaccine coverage for some of these groups.
      
      This is the main problem with it, the population numbers are almost 3% too low
      
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      October 26, 2021 7:12pm
      - Nickc2
        
        TKS.
        
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        October 26, 2021 8:21pm
Lee C

Hey Fletch if you have some legitimate doubts and wish to find out some actual information about the vaccination – why not ask this guy? https://www.webworm.co/p/loopy
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October 26, 2021 10:36am
- Ed Snack
  
  Now that’s a genuine [deleted] in action ! Takes all the “official” propaganda in and has zero ability to distinguish fact from fiction.
  
  Rating on a 1-10 scale, 0.
  
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  October 26, 2021 12:54pm
Nickc2

Aust sees the light. Nuclear is the path to their future energy requirements advocates Chris Kenny – Sky TV Aust Anchor.
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/chris-kenny/generations-to-come-set-to-benefit-if-nuclear-energy-is-embraced-now/video/3e340112a15bded56cceed37192d6679
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October 26, 2021 10:38am
Alan Wilkinson

Memo to our moronic MSM:

I am interested in what “experts” know and how they know it. I have no interest in what they think.

Same goes for journalists.

I see Verity Johnson and her like are frantically unfriending everyone she knows who dares to think differently to her. Beyond pathetic.
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October 26, 2021 10:40am
- doggone7
  
  Someone in our whanau might get called an “expert.” Only 7-8 years of study, including research in the lab and reading all the worldwide research.
  
  Which means of course they now don’t know any more than as anyone on the street about their fields, immunology and microbiology. And of course given that, what they ‘think’ on issues based on those fields is only as valued as much Trevor’s ‘think’. Who left school the day he turned 15 and has been driving a truck for Fulton Hogan after serving his time operating the ‘stop’ ‘go’ lollipop signs for them.
  
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  October 26, 2021 4:19pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The role of experts is to explain what is known, unknown and what might be expected to happen if various options are chosen.
    
    It is up to the population individually to decide what to do with that knowledge and the expert on those decisions is merely one voice amongst many. The reason of course being that other factors outside that expertise must be weighed.
    
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    October 26, 2021 7:29pm
ClanMcleod

Oh that we could ask the same of Hendy, Plank and the rest of our “experts”.

https://dailysceptic.org/we-should-ask-the-modellers-to-prove-their-models-can-accurately-predict-the-future-before-following-their-advice-again/
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October 26, 2021 10:52am
Alan Wilkinson

To anyone who remembers the original Avengers fondly this (despite its publisher) is a wonderful tribute well worth a read:
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2021/oct/24/diana-rigg-rachael-stirling-interview-edgar-wright
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October 26, 2021 10:55am
- alex Masterley
  
  Ahhh, Diana Rigg. That catsuit. The memories…
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:44am
  - Ed Snack
    
    And that steel bowler hat !
    
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    October 26, 2021 12:55pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  I was too young to know The Avengers but when I saw it on re-runs years later it was pretty obvious that Diana Rigg was a stand-out even among beautiful woman, with that figure combined with that face, a face that showed intelligence amidst the beauty.
  
  But it was far more than that and it showed. I forget the name of the person but some guy who interviewed her years later – a man who had interviewed a ton of glamorous actresses – said that she was the sexist woman he’d ever met in his life.
  
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  October 26, 2021 2:01pm
Flossie

A friend of mine (in a Level 2 area) declined an invitation to a smallish family celebration, as she was so afraid some unvaccinated people might be present. She also asked my opinion on whether it should be a mask wearing function. I have tried to explain to her that she is as likely to pass on covid to anyone who’s not jabbed as they are themselves. And she should be okay seeing she has “done the right thing”.
And no I don’t think 20 or so people at a family gathering should have to be masked up.
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October 26, 2021 11:08am
- NoFax
  
  Unfortunately, there are some people out there who are very afraid. The media, academia, and the government hyped up Covid so much that it is hard to come down from that.
  
  I think we have to be kind to these people and let them express themselves and push back gently when it seems a good idea. I think eventually they will see their fears for what they are. Might take missing out on a few things first before they realize how more important it is to live and not merely survive.
  
  Remember April last year, almost everyone was at her level – but slowly individuals started to put things in perspectives and move on.
  
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  October 26, 2021 2:58pm
Rusty

Seems even Dave Dobbyn understands NZ is living in a neo-marxist climate according to a tweet which he later removed.

Liked his attitude for people to show humanity towards people who are un-vaxxed instead of scorn — nasty Hamish Keith who ridiculed Dobbyn’s views is an example of the cruel division our PM has created in this country.

Vaxxed people — law abiding citizens who care about the health and well being of their fellow NZers.

Un-vaxxed people — anti-social/ conspiracist/ christian types who want to kill their fellow Nzers.
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October 26, 2021 11:12am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  The obedient mistake their compliance for virtue.
  
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  October 26, 2021 1:13pm
Sacha

If I were the Prime Minister of New Zealand today:
From today New Zealand is open to its citizens. Normal life is resumed. Go about your regular life routines – work & play. You choose.
Today I have contacted the Uttar Pradesh guys and ordered 2 million care packs to arrive by next Monday, with a further standby order available on a week’s notice should we need it.
If you are feeling ‘fluey’, ring your GP. Stay at home and take the prophylactic agents which you should have in your medicine cupboard.
I want you all to resume a normal life, as long as you be sensible, and look after yourselves.
Love you all, kia kaha.
And I’ll see you around.
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October 26, 2021 11:23am
- Cinematic
  
  You missed the memo. NZ’s society exists to protect the health system. It used to be the other way around but it changed about 19 months ago.
  
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  October 26, 2021 2:02pm
  - Nickc2
    
    That’d make a great headline.
    ‘NZ SACRIFICES 80,000 CITIZENS TO SAVE IT’S HEALTH SYSTEM’
    
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    October 26, 2021 2:42pm
ABS4EVA

The COMMUNIST GREAT PURGE
of thinking people has begun.
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October 26, 2021 11:30am
Lucia Maria

Heard Judith Collins on the radio over the weekend talking to the Weekend Collective fascists.

Very impressed with what she said. I don’t agree with everything, but she is sounding far more reasonable now than when she made her comment a while back about excluding people from supermarkets if they are not jabbed.

Direct quote from Judith in response to “no jab, no job, no fun” meme by Tim:

“Don’t bully people by threatening them.”

Worth listening to the whole thing: National leader rubbishes new traffic light system
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October 26, 2021 11:34am
- lifesgood
  
  I get really annoyed with so called centre right people constantly bagging Judith. They have no idea how good she is, probably because they’ve never watched her in parliament and believe everything they read in the MSM. They do sound like brattish kids tossing their toys because absolutely everything isn’t going exactly their way. Seriously, what do they want? Another Labour Govt? because if they don’t support her and the Nats that’s what we’ll end up with, Ye Gods!!!
  
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  October 26, 2021 2:52pm
Jack5

Another possible alternative use for Manapouri electricity: a magnesium electrolysis smelter at Bluff?

A world shortage of magnesium is threatening car production.

In one form of production, being used by Volkswagen in Israel, magnesium is extracted from sea water.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-22/magnesium-buyers-warn-crunch-threatens-millions-of-european-jobs
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October 26, 2021 12:11pm
- cmm
  
  Magnesium is required for many alloys – not just car making.
  
  Many molded metal parts are made from magnesium.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_alloy
  
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  October 26, 2021 1:07pm
- Taieri
  
  Another possible alternative use for Manapouri electricity: a magnesium electrolysis smelter at Bluff?
  —————–
  
  What’s the energy efficiency of the electrolysis process?
  
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  October 26, 2021 2:12pm
  - marcw
    
    NZ ironsands have approx 3% magnesium compounds. Extraction and separation might not be economic, but if the shortage and price rise continue, who knows.
    
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    October 26, 2021 2:27pm
Captain Mainwaring

Anyone else missing Maggie Pie? I wonder where she’s gone.
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October 26, 2021 12:12pm
- Flossie
  
  Having a week off as ordered by the mods.
  
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  October 26, 2021 12:27pm
  - burt
    
    Did she say that 10 letter word starting with “Iv” ?
    
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    October 26, 2021 1:11pm
    - lifesgood
      
      It was racism.
      
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      October 26, 2021 2:48pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Casual racism
      
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      October 26, 2021 3:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Far less than what some commenters get away with. Someone may have complained – face it, there are many trolls on this blog.
        You realise that Maggie can read this, just not comment?
        
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        October 26, 2021 3:53pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Well Steve, that’s what the Mod said.
        
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        October 26, 2021 4:13pm
Don Beckett

Just got this from a friend:
https://www.change.org/p/the-governer-general-of-new-zealand-the-resignation-of-jacinda-ardern-as-new-zealand-s-prime-minister?recruiter=55372711&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_medium=whatsapp&utm_content=washarecopy_29617423_en-AU%3A0&recruited_by_id=944f3f90-c58b-0130-ecba-3c764e04873b
Self explanatory – forward to friends.
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October 26, 2021 12:42pm
- Paulus
  
  Grant Robertson is already acting like the Prime Minister on the daily media talkbacks as Jacinda runs away to anywhere from anywhere.
  Remember Confucius
  If you do not know where you are going, any road will take you there.
  Bye Jacinda you have badly stuffed our /your country, get thee gone.
  
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  October 26, 2021 1:57pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That’s not an invitation to Pooh Bah to take over. He is just as incompetent.
    
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    October 26, 2021 3:23pm
lazza

Our dissembling PM’s spin, master class clip.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/focus-pm-ardern-on-how-nz-will-look-under-the-traffic-light-system/B7UBEM4G6ODTVMG4BNVM5E6LKU/

If anyone out there in KB land, can make any sense out of this garbage laden handwaving earnest techo-socio-double-talk then … fill yer boots.
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October 26, 2021 12:58pm
- burt
  
  There is a big question we need to ask about this, once we get to 90% do we then immediately implement a booster program whereby anyone who’s been longer than 6 months is no longer considered fully vaccinated thereby pushing us back to maybe 70% overnight?
  
  It’s a real question – the MSM should be asking it.
  
  If I recall correctly when Israel implemented boosters they went from 82% fully vaccinated to 67% overnight and people had to get a booster shot again to get back the freedoms they had taken away by the booster mandate.
  
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  October 26, 2021 1:15pm
- Bridgenag
  
  There were no spin doctor answers there that she has got used to. I think she thought as it was well bought media, they wouldn’t ask anything too hard.
  A good reason for the nerves
  
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  October 26, 2021 2:27pm
- burt
  
  lazza
  
  Like a lot of people the PM seems to genuinely doubt the effectiveness of the vaccines, displaying that she seems frightened to be around unvaccinated people. We’ve never seen this behaviour in the past with vaccines that work like polio, smallpox, measles etc.
  
  Having had the shot myself I also don’t think it’s going to do much to stop me catching covid, but to be honest I’m more worried about asymptomatic carriers which, from what I can tell, is more likely to be vaccinated people.
  
  The science now seems to be pointing to we need to protect the unvaccinated from the vaccinated who can carry the same viral load but don’t feel sick.
  
  Or, as that gets translated in “oops we f###ed up speak” – we need to mandate vaccination to cover up the god awful mess we’ve made coercing so many to take a leaky vaccine.
  
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  October 26, 2021 4:23pm
I remember when

Are companies, shareholders and the public sponsoring the Labour Government’s covid outcomes.
Every supermarket has at least one staff member controlling store entry for covid compliance.
It may even be two as numbers leaving the store also have to be monitored.
A visit to the Bank revealed a security staff member controlling social distancing requirements.
All in an area that has no covid, very limited covid positive visits by drivers.
So the government gets the benefit of higher employment figures, higher tax returns and more GST from increases necessary for this staffing.
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October 26, 2021 1:08pm
- miltonF
  
  It’s funny you say that. I had the same thought while driving past a supermarket today. Who is paying for these security guards in reality? Supermarket shoppers are paying their wages through higher food prices. I wonder if that came up in the government’s supermarket pricing review?
  
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  October 26, 2021 5:42pm
WaveyDavey

Today’s vaccination numbers

Total: 10,660
1st doses: 3,492

Vaccinated & booked
Yesterday: 3,663,057
Today:3,666,955
Increase: 3,898
7-day ave: 7,726

Target: 3,789,000
Shortfall: 122,045

Days at today’s rate = 32 plus 21 plus 14 = 67
Days at 7-day ave = 16 plus 21 plus 14 = 51
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October 26, 2021 1:23pm
burt

Judith Collins tying herself in knots again.

I though her job was to be the opposition, not to be more extreme than the government to enable their position and make it look moderate.

We have no opposition, isn’t this a constitutional crisis?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300438403/covid19-nz-judith-collins-says-she-is-against-government-creating-twoclass-system–but-still-supports-vaccine-certificates
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October 26, 2021 1:26pm
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  How is it possible that can she be against a two class system, yet support vaccine certificates (i.e. the very idea that creates a two class system)? Going full anti-Covid tyranny is the only way she and her party will ever get anywhere near winning, because if anyone supports said tyranny, they’re going to vote for the status quo, not the nominal “opposition”, yes?
  
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  October 26, 2021 1:34pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes. Sorry Judith, that is a Major Fail.
    
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    October 26, 2021 2:33pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is precisely why she lost my vote – Labour in drag
      
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      October 26, 2021 3:55pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  That’s politics, unfortunately.
  
  The way I see it, this a major shift for the National Party and the media is going ape. Twitter is aflame.
  
  From The Herald :
  
  “The Government is sitting back and saying that they didn’t do anything wrong, but those people down there who didn’t get vaccinated, they’re the bad people.
  
  “That is not good enough – we need people encouraged and helped.”
  
  It is the second time since the Government announced its traffic light plan that Collins has come to the defence of people and businesses who opt to not use vaccine passports.
  
  This is a major point of difference between Labour and National. Let’s not be like the drowning man who tries to drown their potential rescuer.
  
  From the Stuff article:
  
  “In the short term, vaccine certificates reward those who have done the right thing and gone and got vaccinated, and allow greater freedoms.
  
  “The role of vaccine certificates once the New Zealand population is vaccinated at a very high level is far less clear.
  
  “We need clarity from the Government about whether Government-imposed requirements to use vaccine certificates across large parts of New Zealand society are a short-term measure or whether they will exist even after a very high level of vaccination is reached.”
  
  The spokesman said National was comfortable with businesses deciding to use vaccine certificates in the long term if they wished to.
  
  If vax certs are not mandated by government and instead something that business decide to use or not – then that is good, that is very, very good.
  
  Let people decide whether to frequent businesses that want your papers and your medical info. This is why big business is pushing for mandates, they don’t want consumers to have any choice.
  
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  October 26, 2021 3:19pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    “In the short term, vaccine certificates reward those who have done the right thing and gone and got vaccinated, ”
    I would suggest that the jury is still out on who has done the right thing. With more & more adverse reactions to the “vaccine” emerging, I am more & more convinced that I am doing the right thing by not taking it. As I have stated a number of time before, Covid is now no worse than a bad ‘flu – indeed, many people have only mild to nil symptoms. I have a good immune system, having lived thru’ the 1957 Asian ‘flu in NZ & 1959 in Oz, the 1960’s ?? Hong Kong ‘flu, & the other 2 or 3 major ‘flu scares in the early to mid 2000’s, and suffered no symptoms, except around 2004? very mild – 1 day home from work.
    I am supporting my immune system with appropriate supplements, so even at 79 y/o, I doubt I would be worse than a mild ‘flu. Time will tell. 🙂
    
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    October 26, 2021 3:36pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Hi Don, yes, I agree.
      
      It’s not the ideal message, but if you or I were in Judith Collin’s position, we would be torn to shreds by a rabid mob.
      
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      October 26, 2021 3:49pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Agreed
        
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        October 26, 2021 6:16pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        A rabid mob that will be there waiting for the next opportunity to emotionally bully ACT/National into doing what they want: “People have said….” is one of the laziest MSM tropes in the world to convince National types that “the majority” is agin them and that “the future belongs to us”.
        
        I’d like to think that a future ACT/Nat government will simply shrug their shoulders, get on with the reforms so desperately needed in education, health and welfare, figure out ways of going direct to the voters every day and give the MSM the back of their hand.
        
        If they don’t then they won’t be worth voting for. Better to re-elect Labour and let their ideas burn in front of the mob.
        
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        October 26, 2021 7:11pm
      - burt
        
        That’s also partly because they make no effort to encourage open dialogue and discussion.
        
        Surely a politician asking how a vaccine certificate using a vaccine that neither stops you catching or spreading the virus is as sensible a question as if it’s asked by a vaccinated person who has covid?
        
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        October 26, 2021 7:27pm
WaveyDavey

More numbers

CM target of 434,496 reduced by 508 leaving an 11,020 shortfall

At current rates 13-22 days away for first doses. If all goes to plan plus 21 is 24-42 days to 2nd doses – on or around 31Nov – 7 Dec.

It’ll be much, much later of course and definitely not before the Nov 20 update
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October 26, 2021 1:31pm
- Stu2
  
  Typo? reduced by 708?
  
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  October 26, 2021 4:26pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Yep, 708. My mistake
    
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    October 26, 2021 6:05pm
Southern Raider

Anyone else listen to Rod Jackson on Mike Hosking Breakfast this morning?

That is one seriously unhinged “expert”. Reminded me of the guys you see in Hollywood movies standing on street corners screaming the world is going to end
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October 26, 2021 1:35pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Clearly someone thought Baker was no longer scaring the children.
  
  Or Jackson saw some of the filthy lucre on offer and thought “I’ll have some of that”
  
  But yeah, our Rod is utterly deranged
  
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  October 26, 2021 2:38pm
- lifesgood
  
  I couldn’t believe my ears. The man really did sound seriously unhinged. Who the hell is he?
  
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  October 26, 2021 2:46pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  First incorrect fact
  
  “Covid has killed more people than any medical even in 100 years”
  
  Covid: c.5m in 2 years
  HIV/AIDS: c36m in 7 years
  
  Contextually
  Covid: c.5m in an 8bn population (o.063%)
  1956 flu pandemic: c2m in a population of 2.8bn (0.715%)
  
  So it’s not the largest number and nor is the death rate unprecedented
  
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  October 26, 2021 3:20pm
  - cmm
    
    Bah! Numbers are bullshit.
    
    Asian Flu, HK Flu both killed far more people and that was without PCR tests putting a thumb on the scale.
    
    In previous pandemics we relied on people showing symptoms to get classified as cases or deaths. With CV19 you just need a positive PCR test.
    
    In NZ we get approx 500 deaths from common seasonal flu every year. That is based on symptoms. If we used a different way to count is, eg. PCR testing, then there would be 10,000 deaths per year from the seasonal flu in NZ alone.
    
    If Asian Flu and HK Flu had been counted with PCR tests, then it is reasonable to expect that the numbers would be inflated by at least 10x to 11 million or so. Adjusting for population changes that would make Asian Flu 4x as deadly as CV19.
    
    HK flu (1968) killed about the same number as the Asian flu, but in one year, so the rate was twice that of Asian Flu. ie. 8x what CV19’s is.
    
    But what do we remember about 1968?
    * Black Power
    * Introduction of 747
    * JFK
    * Martin Luther King
    * Moon Landing
    * Tet Offensive (Vietnam War)
    
    Here’s CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/31/us/1968-important-events/index.html
    
    Here’s for NZ:
    * Wahine sinking. 53 dead.
    * Īnangahua earthquake. 1 dead
    * Death of Sir Walter Nash
    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/the-1960s/1968
    
    So why, why, why is this pandemic the end of the world?
    
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    October 26, 2021 4:15pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Interesting CMM. I always thought that the Asian & HK ‘flus were worse than Covid – I personally knew 2 people who died in the 1957 – 59 Asian flu. The older guy was a dairy farmer, (1957) and while he was sick, it was school holidays & I worked his farm for him & his wife, sleeping in the same house & chatting with him when he was feeling OK. He came right, then had a relapse & died.
      In ’59 I was at a college in Oz where there were about 65 boarders, of which 16 were kiwis. 49 guys went down with the ‘flu & 14 of the 16 who didn’t get it were Kiwis & I was 1 of the 14. We still all slept in the same dormitory, so weren’t worried about isolation -just lived life. 1 of the guys died – an Aussie bloke who was about 20.
      There is a much bigger agenda here than a hgealth scare – it’s all political, and I suspect the WEF tentacles are well wrapped around it. Jacinda is one of their so called political youth wing, & I wonder how much the WEF & associated are involved in these ‘jabs’? (not vaccines)
      
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      October 26, 2021 4:33pm
    - kowtow
      
      Because govts ‘ now know they can .
      
      Climate catastrophe next.
      
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      October 26, 2021 5:38pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      1968 is far more than what you listed.
      
      We are experiencing the long-term effects of the 1968 Revolution – Baader Meinhoff Gang, Red Brigade, Dany le Roux – all disciples of the French Marxist philosophers Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida. Post Modernism; Deconstructionism etc.
      
      They started the long march through Western education systems and then the administrative and legal and legislative branches. That task is now complete.
      
      POl Pot/Chinese Cultural revolution redux.
      
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      October 26, 2021 6:43pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      JFK, he was assassinated in 1963, was 68 when the final Warren Commission report was tabled or something ?
      
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      October 26, 2021 8:46pm
  - NoFax
    
    Vitamin A deficiency kills about 2,000 children a day plus blinds many more. This could be greatly reduced by freer use of “golden rice”. However, since golden rice is genetically modified organizations like Greenpeace are opposed.
    
    I used to think that Greenpeace were on the edge to push society to taking care of the environment better. However, when I heard they would rather sacrifice 2,000 kids a day for a pure ideological positions I lost all respect for them and see them as nothing but evil.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/26/gm-golden-rice-delay-cost-millions-of-lives-child-blindness
    
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    October 26, 2021 4:15pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Nah. Greenpeace is nothing but a self-sustaining money-making machine and it has been for a long time now
      
      Basically almost all mainstream “environmental” outfits are neo-Malthusian in outlook and want to see a massive (like billions) reduction in world population
      
      Have a look at the face on this front page
      
      https://populationmatters.org/
      
      Used to be called the Optimum Population Trust – in a nutshell “too many brown people”
      
      Here’s another couple of key members
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathon_Porritt
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Parkin
      
      Check the political party they were in charge of and you get the idea
      
      Standard Green loathing of humanity and progress
      
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      October 26, 2021 6:07pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        The WEF is right behind population reduction as well, with the introduction of ‘transhumanism’ – Bill Gates is right on board with his population downgrade as well.
        
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        October 26, 2021 6:20pm
- Cinematic
  
  The guys unhinged. The views he espouses are extreme.
  
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  October 26, 2021 4:20pm
MCos

Interesting article about shortages in America if anyone thought it was just NZ
Some of the comments suggest it’s a problem just waiting to happen.
America has the option, due to its size, to increase manufacturing at home.
We don’t and have always relied on imports.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/business/shortages-supply-chain.html?referringSource=articleShare
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October 26, 2021 1:48pm
- kowtow
  
  USA driver shortage .
  
  That’s Brexit for ya.
  
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  October 26, 2021 5:14pm
ABS4EVA

All Doctors who do not agree
with the Lord Sauron Approach to Health

one Vax one Ring fits everyone’s RING

Are Fired on 15th of NOV

So you are left with CINDY yes men and
woman for your WELLNESS FN Programs

Be Kind to one another
and try to die without too much fuss

Jesus this is going to be Fantastic
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October 26, 2021 2:36pm
- Nick R
  
  Thoughts and prayers, dude. Thoughts and prayers.
  
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  October 26, 2021 4:40pm
Nickc2

At last, our Cindy has captured the hearts and minds of the rest of the Free World and probably reminded a few still in the Communist World of their current situation (poor bastards) oh, shit, that includes us, WTF?
https://summit.news/2021/10/25/she-creeps-me-out/
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October 26, 2021 3:17pm
cmm

What a dudge.

““I hope that Mr Fawcett’s life can take a new turn now, and I wish him all the best,”

“Mr Fawcett” is the gangster that was found guilty of murdering sex-slave Mallory Manning in 2008.

Hope, eh dudge. Do you really think that “Mr Fawcett” will go on the straight and narrow? You may as well hope Santa brings you a unicorn.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126785713/charges-dropped-against-man-convicted-over-murder-of-sex-worker-mellory-manning
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October 26, 2021 3:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is the only job the dudge could ever hold down.
  Dudge is a vote gatherer, make no mistake
  
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  October 26, 2021 4:46pm
Clownworld

Another conspiracy theory that can’t be used anymore.

Govt passes new mandate all front facing customer workers require vaccination if business requires customers require it.
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October 26, 2021 4:14pm
- cmm
  
  Almost 20% of cops are not vaccinated. Can their “customers” complain?
  
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  October 26, 2021 5:01pm
westernScientest

Psychos

Vax mandates for basically everyone
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October 26, 2021 4:16pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Nonsense. Public servants and dole bludgers are exempt!
  
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  October 26, 2021 4:26pm
- Don Beckett
  
  If anyone tries to force a Pfizer needle into me they’ll get their teeth smashed.
  
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  October 26, 2021 4:36pm
  - surfing
    
    [deleted, don’t antagonise like that. Stick to the issues – Mod.]
    
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    October 26, 2021 5:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Generalised Message?
    
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    October 26, 2021 5:12pm
  - surfing
    
    OK, I see you posted this…
    
    “even at 79 y/o, I doubt I would be worse than a mild ‘flu. Time will tell. ”
    
    I typed your details into a covid mortality calculator, 79, male, no vaccination.
    
    https://corical.immunisationcoalition.org.au/
    
    Those in the 70+ male unvaccinated group have a 22% chance of dying from covid if you catch it.
    
    If you have the vaccine, that chance drops to 2%.
    
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    October 26, 2021 5:21pm
    - Cinematic
      
      So?
      
      How many of these elderly people will be working at your local Starbucks? Mandating a vaccine for an endemic cold virus that will have next to no effect on a healthy 25 year old barista is authoritarianism. It’s an abuse of state power. It’s anti democratic. It’s the stuff of North Korean type dictators.
      
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      October 26, 2021 6:06pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      It’s all bullshit, surfing. I know a guy who caught Covid in England back in mid 2020. He was 89 & got over it in about 5 weeks. He came back to NZ & celebrated his 91st birthday a few weeks ago & is doing fine.
      I’ll happily stick with my healthy lifestyle & fitness and supplements. If I get Covid and snuff, well – c’est la vie.
      
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      October 26, 2021 6:27pm
      - Northshoredoc
        
        I don’t condone forcing vaccinations Don but what’s the main beef you have with getting a vaccination for COVID – just interested in peoples rationale
        
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        October 26, 2021 8:16pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Northshoredoc.
        I mentioned the emerging adverse events from the “vaccine” which seem to be increasing & worsening. I also suspect the motivation behind the extreme push of an untested gene therapy – experimental – where even the inventor, Robert Malone, has stated that it is being mis-used.
        Furthermore, I have a moral objection to the use of cell lines from aborted babies in the manufacture.
        But for me, I am confident in what I have by nature – an efficient immune system, which – with the supplements I take – should see me within the 99.7% of people who survive this epidemic.
        
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        October 26, 2021 9:48pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Surfing.
        So I used your calculator, & living in an area where there is no community transmission, my chances of dying of Covid is – wait for it – NIL.
        But even with mild transmission, 1 chance in 220,000.
        I’ll take my chances thanks.
        
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        October 26, 2021 10:03pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      And if he uses the MATH+ treatment, drops to about 1% or less. But we can’t have that !
      
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      October 26, 2021 8:48pm
- Cinematic
  
  I’ll never forgive this government for burning our cherished freedoms. They are a bunch of fringe lunatics wielding power they can’t handle.
  
  Really this is the country we want? Authoritarianism.
  
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  October 26, 2021 4:40pm
- Warren
  
  Well Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson has been able to do something that no other New Zealand Government has been able to do in a lifetime of our Political system and with law mandating Business to make sure staff and customers have completed their vaccinations she can rightfully be called a dictator. I agree that people should be vaccinated but I also believe in free choice and this contradicts everything New Zealand stands for all in the name of vote catching.
  
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  October 26, 2021 4:59pm
  - Batman
    
    By this standard, George Washington was a dictator and so is every great military leader who presided over mandatory vaccination for all members of their armed forces, from the smallpox to polio to SARS, anthrax and covid, vaccine mandates are not the sign of authoritarian regimes.
    
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    October 26, 2021 5:42pm
    - Inandout
      
      Bat, NZers are not the military and don’t venture into the nastiest and dirtiest countries. There must be choice over our bodies or else we enter Dr Mengels territory.
      
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      October 26, 2021 5:59pm
      - Batman
        
        Mengele? That’s a piss poor argument and offensive to those who were physically tortured and murdered by Mengele.
        
        The fact that is your argument is telling.
        
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        October 26, 2021 6:06pm
      - Cinematic
        
        It’s no more piss poor than your ridiculous analogy.
        
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        October 26, 2021 6:10pm
    - Cinematic
      
      Yeah cause we’re talking about the armed forces.
      
      *Sigh*
      
      And because we’re talking about smallpox and polio – not a cold virus now endemic around the world.
      
      *double sigh*
      
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      October 26, 2021 6:05pm
      - Batman
        
        Given your hyperventilating I’m not inclined to pay heed to your sighs.
        
        You need a lie down and a cuppa my friend.
        
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        October 26, 2021 6:11pm
      - Cinematic
        
        It’s clear from the level of your posts you weren’t inclined to pay attention at school either.
        
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        October 26, 2021 6:15pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Not all citizens are in the armed forces, and assuming the risks associated.
      
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      October 26, 2021 6:31pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The military is not a democracy. When one joins the military it’s made clear that one is joining a dictatorial top down organisation. It’s follow orders or get court marshalled and/or booted out. It’s a fighting force that needs to be able to rely on strict command and control of it’s forces in order to fight lethal battles effectively.
      
      When you leave the military you go back to civilian life. In civilian life (in democratic countries anyway) you are no longer bonded to a dictatorial organisation.
      
      I chose to get vaccinated with the emergency vaccine but I believe making the covid un-vaccinated into fully fledged societal outcasts is a step into irrational and primarily vindictive witch hunting. Once people start to realise what this will do to un-vaccinated people, I believe people (vaccinated and un-vaccinated) will oppose such mandates vigorously. This is already starting to occur in a number of countries.
      
      Oh any supportable reason those who’ve simply had covid can’t be tested for this then declared as good as vaccinated or better (for travel, restaurants etc etc)?
      
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      October 26, 2021 8:27pm
- Fletch
  
  Yep, Jacinda has doubled down.
  
  The government has announced vaccinations will be mandatory for staff at any business where vaccine passports are required for customers, including hospitality, hairdressers and gyms.
  
  The new mandates will cover about 40 per cent of the workforce. Workers will be given four weeks to get a jab.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300438083/covid19-live-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-announces-sweeping-vaccine-mandate
  
  Un-freaking-believable. She is tone deaf. Aren’t they getting the mood of the electorate?
  
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  October 26, 2021 5:08pm
  - Clownworld
    
    Fletch tone deaf, soul deadened I think.
    
    The video doing the rounds where her smile comes out show us who she really is.
    
    A puppet of a bigger mandate. I think she will be promoted to WEF or UN for her services to implementing the great deceit. Klaus and felliw globalists must be very proud of her and Dan.
    
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    October 26, 2021 7:51pm
cmm

It is interesting dredging through the past statements of people that are getting a lot of airtime in the Covid Era.

Here are Baker and the Pink Rincess getting airtime three years ago – what-iffing about a flu pandemic.

Baker was for shutting down borders based on the cost model of 13,000 deaths costing us $8bn. ie, “saving” those would be worth $8bn (ignoring of course than nobody has ever beaten a virus).

By that model, each death is worth $615k. Seems pretty high for someone losing a few months of life, on average, but anyway…

By that rationale, we should only be spending up to $49bn for the massively inflated 80,000 grannies will die number.

Using a more realistic upper bound (eg. UK rate of 2000/million), We’d end up with 10,000 dead which is worth $6bn.

Thus, according to what Baker said in 2018, we should not be spending more than $6bn to lock down. Instead we’re losing at least $2bn a week.

If we go with the Pharmac QALY number of $36k/year, then preventing the average CV19 death is probably worth around $20k (ie less than 1 year of less than good quality life). For those numbers we should not pe spending more that $200M to do all this lockdown nonsense. Instead we’re blowing $200M in a morning.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107573793/flu-pandemic-that-wiped-out-nzs-population-could-happen-again

PS: a bit of a dramatic headline by Stuff. The NZ population was far from “wiped out” by the Spanish Flu. Yes, it was arguably 300x as bad as CV19 (worldwide), but in NZ only 1% of the population was killed by the Spanish Flu. Wiped Out? Nope!
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October 26, 2021 4:48pm
- Fletch
  
  Remember that old idiom, “stuff and nonsense.” Applies here.
  
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  October 26, 2021 5:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Stop it, you are scaring the horses in the bee’s nest
  
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  October 26, 2021 5:14pm
- dcrane
  
  I remember reading that the median covid death happens around age 82. A person who has survived to age 82 ordinarily has something like 8 more years to go, not 1. However, the people dying of covid likely aren’t of average health, so 8 is probably high. Still, one year of lost life might be too conservative.
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:32pm
Truman lodge

I wonder what this will do to the sex industry and erotic massage establishments. Have to scan in and show your papers.
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October 26, 2021 5:11pm
- Batman
  
  I mean unless they start hosting 100+ people they won’t need to do the certificate route.
  
  What sort of parlours host that many people anyway? Crikey dick…. Literally.
  
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  October 26, 2021 6:01pm
septic skeptic

No matter how you look at it, the vax mandate and passports make little to no sense. Except as pure and simple coercion to get the vax rate up to and above 90%. As a result I guess they hope to avoid the scrutiny they should rightly be facing on lack of ICU capacity.
I am vaxxed, expect to get exposed to covid sometime soon and figure I am as well placed now as I ever will be. I have absolutely no concern about coming into contact with unvaxxed people – why would I?
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October 26, 2021 5:16pm
- Cinematic
  
  There’s nothing this inept rabble of a government won’t do to avoid responsibility.
  
  Trampling over human rights, yeah why not?
  
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  October 26, 2021 6:13pm
Jack5

More racism alleged: this time in treatment of Maori men who suffer from prostate cancer.

On the Jessie Mulligan show at Red Radio, AUT lecturer Jacqui Kidd gave the “systemic racism” lashing, using a report of a study funded by the Movember charity. Kidd is associate head of Maori advancement at the AUT School of Clinical Sciences. She identifies as Ngapuhi.

An online report, less race-focused than Kidd talking to Mulligan, says:

Maori men are diagnosed later, experience poorer health outcomes, and are 50 percent more likely to die from prostate cancer than non-Maori.

It points at, among other causes, the fact that: “Maori men prioritise their whanau and work rather than their own health, which means they may delay visiting a doctor until they are forced to either by severe symptoms or their whanau.”

Kidd identifies two things that need to happen for Maori prostate cancer victims: “The first is whanaungatanga, and the second is kaioriori.”

The report goes on to explain:

“Whanaungatanga is a process where connections between people, their whakapapa (genealogy), te taiao (natural world) and atua (ancestors/gods) have been made and nurtured.
“And kaioriori is a person who is based in the te pa ora (the safe community where whanau live) and so is whanau. Their role is to introduce whanau to the services outside the pa, stay with them while they choose which services they need, and get to know the health professionals who work there. They are an advocate, supporter, aunty, and tuakana (elder).”

Beyond the report and Kidd’s racism claims on Red Radio …

Prostate cancer fatalities are proportionately higher in African-Americans in the United States than among Americans generally. This cancer is also less common in most east Asian countries than it is in majority-white countries, yet incidence among Asian descendants in America is less distinct from the over-all pattern.

Some speculate darker skin colour may be a factor by filtering absorption of vitamin D from sunlight in temperate-climate countries. Diet has been questioned in relation to lower east Asian incidence.

Regardless, it’s great to help Maori men with prostate cancer, but “systemic racism” talk is Woke nonsense.

The written report –
https://news.aut.ac.nz/news/barriers-for-maori-with-prostate-cancer
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October 26, 2021 5:32pm
kowtow

HDPA , another one ranting about the un injected holding everyone “hostage”

Utter bollocks .

It’s the regime holding everyone hostage and if the damned injection is such great “armour” then with such a huge majority jabbed , why the hell should anyone care about what a tiny minority do.

Oh that’s right , the gurnermunt know its efficacy is shit and fatties and other sick people will be falling like skittles to the bat flu , even if they are “fully vaccinaded”
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October 26, 2021 5:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Clearly this Government has mapped out the next 6 months… when fully vaxxed folk start turning up in our hospitals and have clearly caught the virus from other vaxxed folk in their workplaces/recreational facilities, etc… we will all have to go back into some lockdowns (traffic light red) until we get booster 1 and then booster 2.
  
  I can’t see much freedom for us in 2022.
  
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  October 26, 2021 6:24pm
  - alloytoo
    
    surely you mean 202?
    
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    October 26, 2021 6:35pm
  - Cinematic
    
    Agreed. They’ve chosen the most extreme path available to them. Protests are around the corner.
    
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    October 26, 2021 6:51pm
Cinematic

Stripping a person of their employment to force them to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure is a gross abuse of state power.

Arden has enshrined herself as the worst PM in NZ’s history.
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October 26, 2021 6:55pm
- emmess
  
  You’d have to go back to Te Rauparaha to find a leader so cruel
  
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  October 26, 2021 7:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Labour .. Champion of the Working class.
  (Tui billboard)
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:23pm
Fletch

Saw this tweet –

“There is something that the unvaccinated will always have in common with the vaccinated.
Neither of them will ever be fully vaccinated.”
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October 26, 2021 6:58pm
Reid

To long term posters, yes it is I.

I’ve been immersing myself in US politics since Trump was elected. That’s been the centre or more correctly main target of the globalist action we’re now seeing rolled out in every Western country.

I’ve been lurking for a coupla days and encouraging how many of you are now seeing the agenda I used to talk about, writ large in current times. Yes, it’s real.

Frightening, ain’t it. And they haven’t even got started.
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October 26, 2021 6:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Welcome back, Reid.
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:36pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Hi Reid, just a couple of days?
  
  I lurked for months before I said anything! 😛
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:57pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hi Lucia Maria
    What do you think of Kiwiblog now, 2.5 years after the new comments policy and moderation?
    
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    October 26, 2021 9:40pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Hello Reid. If I recall, one of the more accomplished stirrers 🙂
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:53pm
WaveyDavey

And, while we’re doing numbers

Who knew that Maori & PI aged 50 plus, are on average more highly 1st dose vaccinated that white people?

Because the baseline of 1.00 includes Asians, who are basically 100% vaccinated, it warps the figures

White people, across the board, are at 87% 1st doses

We don’t hear much about that do we?

First doses per 1,000 people – all ages

M 69%
PI 83%
E 87%
A 95% plus
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October 26, 2021 7:11pm
- dcrane
  
  Yep Maori are on average 11 years younger.
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:53pm
- Stu2
  
  Some of the notes from the health dataset being used appear below – see the last two sentences. The Asian rate might a bit exaggerated.
  
  “Limitations of the HSU
  The HSU does not include everyone in New Zealand. By definition, the HSU is not a total population estimate: it includes people who received health services or were PHO enrolled in a given year. This does not cover everyone in New Zealand. The HSU is likely to miss highly marginalised groups. Also, the datasets used to create the HSU are not always complete, for example we do not receive complete reporting of all private hospital events in New Zealand.
  
  This means that some groups are underrepresented in the HSU. Analysis done in the Integrated Data Infrastructure (IDI) suggests that groups underrepresented in the HSU include young people aged 15-45 years (men in particular), and people of Asian and MELAA ethnicity. Using the HSU as a denominator could overestimate vaccine coverage for some of these groups. “
  
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  October 26, 2021 11:17pm
emmess

Is Jacinda violating the Nuremberg code?

http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/
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October 26, 2021 7:14pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  How does the Nuremberg Code apply in New Zealand? Can the NZ prime minister be said to violate something which is not part of New Zealand, or international, law?
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:40pm
  - mawm
    
    We are part of the international community and as such have an obligation to respect international Codes, Agreements, etc. that are accepted by the community as standards laid down in such Codes, etc. A good example is the UN Declaration of Human Rights where the dissenting nations such as South Africa and Saudi Arabia who did not sign because they were breaching rights laid down in the declaration and as a result faced a great deal of opprobrium.
    
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    October 26, 2021 10:00pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We got it through the UN connection.
    
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    October 26, 2021 10:37pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Yes, and if you think that our woke judiciary are going to worry about a little thing like an international crime, you are going to be extremely disappointed.
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:03pm
- Fletch
  
  Also the Siracusa Principles document from 1985, put forward by the International Commission of Jurists. And yes, NZ had a representative there (Sir Guy Powles).
  
  “It has long been observed by the American Association for the International Commission of Jurists (AAICJ) that one of the main instruments employed by governments to repress and deny the fundamental rights and freedoms of peoples has been the illegal and unwarranted Declaration of Martial Law or a State of Emergency. Very often these measures are taken under the pretext of the existence of a “public emergency which threatens the life of a nation” or “threats to national security”.
  
  The abuse of applicable provisions allowing governments to limit or derogate from certain rights contained in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights has resulted in the need for a closer examination of the conditions and grounds for permissible limitations and derogations in order to achieve an effective implementation of the rule of law. The United Nations General Assembly has frequently emphasised the importance of a uniform interpretation of limitations on rights enunciated in the Covenant.”
  
  Paragraph 58 of the Siracusa Principles under the heading of Non-Derogable Rights provides:
  
  No state party shall, even in time of emergency threatening the life of the nation, derogate from the Covenant’s guarantees of the right to life; freedom from torture, cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, and from medical or scientific experimentation without free consent; freedom from slavery or involuntary servitude; the right not be be imprisoned for contractual debt; the right not to be convicted or sentenced to a heavier penalty by virtue of retroactive criminal legislation; the right to recognition as a person before the law; and freedom of thought, conscience and religion. These rights are not derogable under any conditions even for the asserted purpose of preserving the life of the nation.
  
  https://www.icj.org/wp-content/uploads/1984/07/Siracusa-principles-ICCPR-legal-submission-1985-eng.pdf
  
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  October 26, 2021 10:09pm
Alan Wilkinson

When is this stuff going to be tested in court?
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October 26, 2021 7:21pm
- Cinematic
  
  Hopefully very soon. I’ll help fund it.
  
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  October 26, 2021 7:35pm
  - dcrane
    
    I expect little help from the courts. Yes we had a remarkable local verdict in that recent child welfare case here but how many judges are going to be willing to stand in front of the freight train that is the multinational mass-vaccination compliance cult?
    
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    October 26, 2021 8:25pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Worthless, as above, if you think that this inch of spineless judges will even consider speaking out against “our St Jacinda”, be ready for disappointment.
    
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    October 26, 2021 9:04pm
- Reid
  
  Courts are proving no protection if overseas Westminster Democracies are any guide.
  
  They are all operating to the same agenda and common law and constitutional frameworks seem impervious barriers to their agenda.
  
  Told you it’s frightening.
  
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  October 26, 2021 8:04pm
crackle

To be honest I think as citizens were going to have to test it. The courts aren’t going to help us in the short term.
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October 26, 2021 7:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Somebody at Oranga Tamariki must have made a decision to place this poor child back into the “care” of her mother.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126784718/mother-found-guilty-of-assaulting-daughter-9-and-putting-her-on-flight-with-face-paint-covering-injuries
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October 26, 2021 7:24pm
Clownworld

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October 26, 2021 8:01pm
ABS4EVA

Cindies best friend and highest paid State politician in Aus is……

Wait for it

Justifying his latest BLATANT POWER GRAB on

You guessed it

Legislation in NZ

Cindie supports Dan

Dan supports Cindie

and they flush the region down the Dunny
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October 26, 2021 8:13pm
ABS4EVA

There are 2 classes of people in NZ,
those with their Brains Engaged,

and those who Vote for Cindy
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October 26, 2021 8:15pm
crackle

Thats a first a disapearing comment.

Lets try again, from today the rubber hits the road. Its time to put up or shut up realistically.

When asked in a work environment use the prefer not to say stance, have all the meetings then if vaxxed tell them at the bitter end.

Even if you find Brian Brian Tamaki repulsive I hear theres a picnic in the Domain Saturday.

Lets avoid lurching towards becoming the Socialist Republic of Aotearoa, I for one will not let this happen without a fight.
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October 26, 2021 8:27pm
- Fletch
  
  There’s also supposed to be a Hikoi, called the Sovereign Hīkoi of Truth (SHOT), supposed to be arriving at Te Tii Marae at noon on Wednesday. Not sure if they will make it past checkpoints and such.
  
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  October 26, 2021 9:56pm
fernglas

Is this how it works?
If I have a business that is only open to vaccinated customers, my staff have to be vaccinated
So, if I open to vaccinated people, any one of my staff who is unvaccinated cannot work there.
Because the staff member has refused to be vaccinated, I can sack them, but they have to have four weeks paid notice? And because they are unvaccinated, they cannot work their notice out?
So I pay someone 4 weeks wages for not working because they have decided to make themselves unemployable.
Gosh, that sounds fair. And a real incentive for someone not to get vaccinated.

And, of course, if my business decided not to exclude the unvaccinated, it would not get any government subsidies. So I assume the employee who deliberately rendered themselves unemployable would also be unable to access benefits from the Government.
Have I got this right?
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October 26, 2021 9:20pm
- Don Beckett
  
  I think you are right at this time, but the oncoming push back will hit Vaxinda & her cohort like a freight train.
  
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