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Tony Stuart

In case Mikenmild is unaware, Happy Global Hand-Washing Day 😀
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October 15, 2021 8:02am
- Mike
  
  Oh, it’s much more special than that, Tony. Today is also the International Day of Rural Women, and World Students’ Day!
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:08am
  - PhilBest
    
    What is it with people named Mike, knowing all this trivia?
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:20am
    - Jack5
      
      “Mike” is “Mikenmildagain,” Phil.
      
      He’s explained before that his pseudonym depends on whether he signs on under Patreon or in the non-Patreon way.
      
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      October 15, 2021 9:52am
      - PhilBest
        
        Thanks, I didn’t know that, I am an irregular on Kiwiblog
        
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        October 16, 2021 6:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Rural Women do a wonderful job, and not just in their homes and on their farms. Federated Farmers recently had a female President in Katie Milne, a number of rural electorates have women MP’s, and you have people like Ele Ludemann from Homepaddock who are absolute pillars of their communities. I salute each and every one of them!
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:24am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Agree, Tony Stuart.
      There seems to be an increasing cohort on here who have a problem with women – rural or otherwise.
      Gotta have someone to blame, I guess.
      
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      October 15, 2021 8:30am
      - Flossie
        
        Daughter and son in law are farm managers. Heaven help the ones who call her a “farmer’s wife”!!
        
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        October 15, 2021 8:55am
      - Nukuleka
        
        A downtick for Gravel. He is just snidely trolling Owen Jennings and his article yesterday about Jacinda’s besotted female fan base.
        
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        October 15, 2021 10:28am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      No wonder Labour is winning all rural seats now. These Shielas are voting the greatest wimmin PM the world ever had.
      
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      October 15, 2021 11:17am
  - ldypen
    
    I am surprised that the word “woman” is used, obviously the woke censors have slipped up!
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:24am
    - Ed Snack
      
      So, maybe “international day for rural persons with vaginas” or something like that ?
      
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      October 15, 2021 10:09am
      - Ehlana
        
        Farms tend to have farm animals Ed. Farmers generally have no problems telling whether those animals are male or female. They apply the same logic to humans.
        
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        October 15, 2021 3:37pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The more that idea is promoted and believed by Ardern the bigger the cropper she awaits.
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:28pm
- pdm
  
  Inv – if you are going to be an agent for Jacinda it goes:
  
  wash your hands
  wash your hands
  wash your hands
  
  I learned that from listening to her rant on just once last year.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:13am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It’s not just a Covid thing pdm, but your reply shows how much we have been brainwashed! Global Handwashing Day is about encouraging children to wash their hands with soap and water several times a day in order to prevent disease. You can find out more here:
    
    https://globalhandwashing.org/global-handwashing-day/about-ghd/
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:28am
  - Paulus
    
    Is this to the tune of the old telethon (Vaccithon now) ?
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh Grief..
    
    I just realised I was resting my hand on my face….
    https://foreignpolicy.com/podcasts/dont-touch-your-face-coronavirus-podcast/women-leaders-covid-response/
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:39am
Ra Henare

Interesting to ”read the room” regarding Jacindastan and the ongoing response to Covid.

Its almost like media announcements, influencers “testing the waters””

Many options thrashing those who have made the decision not to get jabbed.
ie the avalanche of bitterness regarding Sandra Goudies decision to wait for availability of another vaccine.
I actually support those who are exercising their freedom of choice re the vax.
They are no threat to me.(
My basic principles in life are freedom of speech and freedom of choice-no buts allowed!

Similarly Bish Tamaki’s outdoor meeting that was held in the Domain with a slight wind-excellent ventilation .
Dumped on by most commentators feeding the fear and using the not following the rules schtick. So how many of the new cases came from the meeting in the park. (Remember it was 14 days ago tomorrow) My guess is none, otherwise it would be all over the media.

Then we have Government modelers warning of 5,000 cases a week, lovely fear porn.
While Ministers talk up the DHBs capacity to handle the increased load and talk of home isolation and saying we expect more cases but don’t worry its OK.

So, my reading of the room.
A political decision will be made shortly to redefine Level “”whatever”” meanings.
Talk about different levels of vax being triggers for who knows what
Allowing themselves an out from the previous rhetoric of stamping it out.
Some strategy to reduce the fear porn while making Jacinda look good.
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October 15, 2021 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ” So how many of the new cases came from the meeting in the park?”
  We don’t have those numbers yet, but a working group has been formed to fudge the data
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:29am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The park is not the problem.
    
    The elephant in the room, is maori.
    
    Intransigent luddite reasoning holding out until the prize is a bigger something free.
    
    The common thing with other nations success in coming to terms with the whuhuflu, is they do not have the ‘benefit’ of maori with the noticeable exception of North Korea and some places in Africa that only ever come up in pub quizzes and pandemics.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:45am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      What’s your pro-vaccine case?
      
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      October 15, 2021 11:57am
    - Surely Knott
      
      The problem is not Maori, and it’s not the unvaxxed. It’s a disease. And even highly vaxxed countries like Israel, Singapore and the UK are struggling to contain it. Maori where I live are running the vax centre and are doing a damn good job. Young people aren’t at much risk, and are not recommended by the UK JCVI to get a jab because of the risk of myocarditis and the unknowns. The people who would be advised to take the vax are the elderly and those with health comorbidities. It should be a personal choice. It doesn’t and hasn’t stopped transmission in any country. In fact the UK is now predicting it’s worst flu season ever. (Disease enhancement issues?) Who knows. But it is an experimental vax. So lets stop blaming each other. If you want the vax get it.
      
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      October 15, 2021 5:00pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        Very well said. Deciding to get vaxxed would be a lot easier if you trust what the government/media told you. Unfortunately they have destroyed their credibility through by their incessant lying.
        
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        October 15, 2021 6:36pm
- doggone7
  
  Everyone reads rooms differently. People exercising their vax freedom not being a risk to you? Some exercising their freedom which ends in them or others in hospitals meaning facilities are stretched and staff are stressed?
  
  And you, someone you know, or anyone needing attention after a road crash? Or ordinary people with the range of medical situations?
  Sure, have freedom of choice, have a million not vaccinated, but acknowledge that is a risk for everyone.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:40am
  - DaleK
    
    Your argument could be applicable to people who chose to smoke, become obese, drink or take drugs, speed in motor vehicles etc, clogging up hospitals as well. Its nonsensical.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:16am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Yes, it could. It’s not nonsensical. These choices do indeed take up health service resources at public expense. I am not one of those who say such people shouldn’t be treated at all, but I’m well within my rights to think less highly of them for their ignorance and selfishness.
      
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      October 15, 2021 10:02am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Maybe we should exterminate them
        
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        October 15, 2021 10:31am
    - Ehlana
      
      No DaleK, it’s not nonsensical. It is true that the smokers, drug addicts, drunks, speedsters, obese etc. who clog up our hospitals now are also using resources which could otherwise go into, for example, preventative care, earlier screening, detection and treatment or initiatives to bring care to more isolated communities.
      To me, it raises the question of responsibility, which no-one ever wants: with a socialised medical system like ours, shouldn’t we acknowledge a responsibility to look after ourselves? I’m sure all of those who have caused their own or others illnesses or injuries are very fond of their rights – to do what they did, to get medical care when they need it. Perhaps we all need to be just as fond of our responsibility not to impose unnecessary costs on others.
      
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      October 15, 2021 10:20am
      - ecco
        
        Yes agreed Ehlana. There is proof out there that the unvaccinated are hitting the hospitals in higher numbers. This is happening worldwide. That’s enough proof for me to think vaccination should be mandatory.
        
        Anyway it’s the ones needing treatment but can’t get it who are going to suffer if large numbers of unvaccinated covid cases start going into hospital. ie the elderly and vulnerable.
        
        You just have to look at how many days the person from the Pacific Island Assembly, who just passed away, was in ICU, some 40 days, to know that covid is not like other cases that hit ICU. Also the Fijian worker who was transported here with Covid, was in ICU for 70 days. That would be catastrophic if unvaccinated covid cases are occupying ICU space for those lengths of time.
        
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        October 15, 2021 11:20am
      - krazykiwi
        
        That’s enough proof for me to think vaccination should be mandatory
        
        Setting aside the thorny issue of mandating a medical procedure (with a still experimental therapy) and this being a breech of the Nuremberg Code, I say your definition of proof is a little thin.
        
        What if, say, someone prefers to develop natural immunity (without associated vax risks) so that their body develops stronger and longer lasting immunity?
        
        What if, say, someone doesn’t want a leaky vaccine in their system potential turning their body into a variant factory?
        
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        October 15, 2021 4:15pm
    - doggone7
      
      Okay. Someone who is a non-smoker, is fit, seldom drinks alcohol, doesn’t use drugs, always drives carefully. They’re driving to the gym and are crashed into by a drugged up speeding lunatic. The lunatic is dead the ‘good citizen’ has multiple serious injuries.
      
      The local hospital is overflowing, the staff at their wits end.
      
      Reality: Over months there have been numerous accounts from all round the world about hospitals being in desperate situations through dealing with masses of covid patients.
      
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      October 15, 2021 2:14pm
  - Taieri
    
    Sure, have freedom of choice, have a million not vaccinated, but acknowledge that is a risk for everyone.
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    “a million not vaccinated” is a hazard, not a risk. Risk is a concept arising from a hazard; risk does NOT exist in a physical sense.
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:13am
  - bronny1
    
    We have about 1.5 million obese people in this country – they are as much a risk, even if vaccinated, as the unvaxxed. Not PC to hate on them though is it even though it is a choice they have made.
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:15pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Great let’s push people to abandon their freedom and human rights so that an underfunded health system isn’t overwhelmed. Seems easier than funding it. What other human rights shall we toss out to to help save governments face?
    
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    October 15, 2021 2:38pm
    - Ehlana
      
      Government face saving is not really the issue, Stella.
      1. Would the health system be underfunded if it weren’t for the selfishly-inflicted conditions (both those who harm themselves and those who harm others)? The answer might actually be no.
      
      2. If it is underfunded, where should additional funding come from? Do we cut some other current government expenditure? Or increase which taxes? Or borrowing? Or charge people for the care they cause?
      
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      October 15, 2021 3:36pm
      - Stellaboxer
        
        The last time I checked the health system was there to protect me not I to protect it . The problem with social medicine is that the government has a stake in my looking after myself which is actually none of their business it becomes easier to harass me than to fund the system . The funding? Maybe if we were not spending millions on gender neutral toilets for Eden Park or wasting 50 million dollars on working groups to test the feelings on a cycle bridge we may have scraped a few nurses and beds together for the coming catastrophe.
        
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        October 15, 2021 11:34pm
      - Zoomfatigued
        
        We could redirect funding from places like:
        
        “Government spent $26,000 commissioning a novel about the collapse of democracy in an association of alpaca breeders” – writing poetry that “explores indigeneity and love in the time of climate change,”
        
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        October 15, 2021 11:54pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yes indeed.
  Banned antigen test kits until recently.
  No Saliva testing.
  
  This all leads to one obvious conclusion is they want too control the numbers.
  
  Cant have the minions releasing / reporting unintended numbers.
  
  I always tell my fellow collegues that ” Some people have the marvelous ability to over complicate the simplest things.”
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No antibody tests yet either. That would really throw a spanner in the works. Wonder how many have had Covid, not known it, and now have natural immunity?
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:20am
    - crackle
      
      It is possible to get one at your cost if you find the right doctor.
      
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      October 15, 2021 10:06am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yes indeed, However it has to be “approved ” .
        
        ie take Singapore where there only 8 types approved and as a Seafarer entering Singapore it has to be completed 24 prior to Departure etc.
        
        Perhaps now you can see the problem.
        
        I asked my GP and she aid they are banned and therefore not allowed to disperse etc.
        
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        October 15, 2021 10:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Thing is, why is the Govt doing nasal swabs, some saliva testing but no antibody testing? What could they be scared of???
        
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        October 15, 2021 12:59pm
- Nukuleka
  
  Interesting to see the tactics used by Grant Robertson. Deflect deflect deflect away from the government’s incompetence and failings by victimising the likes of Sandra Goudie. Typical bullyboy behaviour. Where’s the ‘kindness’ Grant?
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sandra Goudie was a National MP.
    Attack attack attack
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:22am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      She’s not anymore though…
      
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      October 15, 2021 9:30am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Siouxie’s possibly just upset that she can’t demonstrably call Sandra Goudie an anti vaxxer – and it could potentially open the door for some to call Goudie a sensible and informed vaxxer…
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I hope she is upset, I hope she has a thermonuclear meltdown
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:00pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    “kindness” as defined by this government isn’t anything but a slogan. It means be nice to us or you’ll be vilified and attacked by the various political lowlifes that we control, in full recognition that the media will support their hypocritical approach all the way.
    
    “Be nice, be kind, team of 5 million…” but you lot over there who don’t support our political goals are scum no lower than scum, in fact you are sub human and can be politically no physically attacked while we are still “kind and nice”.
    
    Great act if you can get enough people to go along with it. Worked in Rwanda …
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:15am
  - Frank the tank
    
    His “performance” could be summed up by the “a bad tradesman blames his tools” phrase.
    
    It was all our fault that we weren’t following the rules and plod’s fault that they weren’t prosecuting them….
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:24am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Robbo is bloomin’ hopeless.
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:39pm
  - doggone7
    
    Did he bring up the topic of Goudie or a questioner? Should he have said he wasn’t going to comment?
    You know “Deflect deflect deflect.”
    
    Do you want him to answer or not?
    
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    October 15, 2021 2:18pm
- dcrane
  
  Re: fear porn. The UK is having nearly 40,000 cases a day. Scale that to our population and you get about 2900/day. So 5,000 may not be that far off.
  
  But I agree with the sentiment anyway – people are basically going about their lives in the U.K. Whereas the case predictions are being used here to justify going back to Level 4.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:55am
- Sacha
  
  Here’s a film -45 minutes worth – entitled:
  ‘8 prominent doctors and scientists engage in a remarkable exchange’. Published Oct 3, 2021.
  It is somewhat edited, to 45 minutes, but covers many points that we argue every day, and is based on wide professional experience and research.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeVy7jQoz0&t=271s
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:35am
PhilBest

Very disturbing if true

https://www.bitchute.com/video/kSLAtKEufR3z/

COVID Deaths Before and After Mass Vaccinations
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October 15, 2021 8:03am
- dcrane
  
  The first example given, Albania, seems interesting. A big wave of “covid deaths” begins sharply in early 2021 in concert with the onset of the vaccination campaign, even though the country was on its way down from a recent spike in deaths – seems odd that that curve didn’t taper down as most do. The bulk of the 2nd peak is pretty well linked in time with the bulk of the vaccination based on Wikipedia info. Pfizer and AstraZeneca were mainly used, then CoronaVac.
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:10am
  - dcrane
    
    Looking over some more of the examples, the correlation is not at all clear. Some waves happen long after vax campaigns begin. Of course, the vaccines used vary dramatically across these countries as well. We need more systematic study of these patterns.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:51am
    - dcrane
      
      I’ve kept looking into those graphs…There are some striking correlations, really quite startling. Israel….UK…Ireland…several others. Far as I can tell by checking many, the dates are correct (or chosen well) most of the time. I haven’t checked the death data for what it’s worth.
      
      In other cases there is no correlation at all. One possibility (other than differences due to vaccine types) is that the vaccine is fairly risky to the very old, and that countries with large numbers of very old people in nursing homes who were quickly vaccinated show an immediate and large mortality effect. Other places, like poor African nations, have very young populations and far fewer people react badly enough to die. Those also (I think) are often the countries that weren’t using Pfizer etc.
      
      Just my speculation though.
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:22pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    There seems to be a lot we just don’t know about this pandemic, despite the amount of attention being given.
    
    Not sure what to make of that animation, is it suggesting that vaccination in fact caused a spike of deaths attributed to Covid ? Were those deaths in vaccinated people, which I doubt, did countries primarily start vaccination programs in reaction to cases so that deaths (which lag cases) will show up as they do ?
    
    One other interesting factoid is that a recent analysis (sorry again no linky, will try to post later) that across the world and also for US states, there’s only a weak correlation between the percentage of a population Vaxxed and the latest weekly or monthly (data varies a bit by country) Covid cases numbers. AND, that correlation is small but positive, so the higher the percentage of vaccinated persons, the (averagely) higher the number of cases. What does this mean, I have to say at this stage I am puzzled. Maybe it is too early, but certainly some vaccination programs have been underway for a reasonable time and one would expect to see some positive outcomes for all the effort.
    
    To me, my first thoughts when one sees a lot of contradictory data like this is that we are missing something in our analysis. There’s some important factor that we are simply not considering; or possibly the data isn’t ordered in the way we think it should be. So maybe it is our expectation that vaccination should be a major help in reducing cases is at fault. Possibly if we look at hospitalisations and deaths we would see a clearer pattern. At the moment that does seem to be one sort of solution, maybe vaccination is essentially worthless against catching the virus but an impact can be seen in hospitalisation ? Note however that the video link above is Covid attributed deaths, not cases.
    
    Also to note, this isn’t easily attributed to cherry picked data, the same sort of patterns are evident in a very wide range that is available. Thus there is something in the data that we have yet to tease out, something probably important to understanding quite what is going on.
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:34am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Have you considered that the “vaccinations” may be actually a scam? There is too much conflict of interest to ignore that.
      Big Pharma is making enormous money out of spike protein continuation. Such a protein is a proven personal autoimmune system war machine against the bearer. That got CDC approval?
      Have we got the crazies now seriously attacking the human population as they have written about?
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:54pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Kev, I may get around to that if logic and reason don’t tease something out. But it is way too conspiratorial at this stage. I’m still pretty firmly in the camp that holds that you don’t need malice when incompetence is an equally valid explanation.
        
        Though incompetence isn’t quite right, all major nations (excluding China, don’t know what they’ve been up to but they claim the lowest case and fatality rate in the world outside some statelets) have made huge efforts to get on top of the various outbreaks. Most have focussed on mass vaccination, but so far we seem to be seeing little benefit for this gargantuan effort and expense.
        
        Short term benefits exist, some places seem to have gotten on top of outbreaks but we waves have also hit others who seemed to be having success quite hard. Israel is a case in point. And in the UK, the data showing that vaccinated people are catching Covid in all but the youngest age groups at higher rates than unvaccinated, albeit with lower hospitalisation and fatality rates, is also a concern.
        
        The apparent success in India is worth watching, if Uttar Pradesh and Delhi manage to maintain their status of being near Covid free, that would be a major finding, but it is early days and other places (like Singapore) have had significant periods with minimal cases before new outbreaks have occurred.
        
        The vaccines are not very good at preventing infection, I think that is clear, but on the plus side, absent significant data manipulation, they do seem to have a pretty significant impact on reducing hospitalisation and death rates. That’s not how they were originally sold, but it does seem to be the revealed wisdom, as it were.
        
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        October 15, 2021 3:30pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It’s the deceit/malfeasance at the top of govt that has to be questioned.
        Another six months may be very revealing.
        
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        October 15, 2021 4:56pm
    - dcrane
      
      After looking at those graphs (and making the posts above), I checked Australia and NZ. Neither country has any evidence of a surge of covid cases (or vaccine-correlated deaths, in the NZ case) timed with the vaccine rollout, even though we have many elderly.
      
      But also, neither country had much covid around in the first many months of their rollouts. There is apparently evidence that the chance of catching covid and dying is temporarily greater in the week or two after the first dose, due to an immunosupressive effect. It was discussed in the Rogan/Berenson podcast recently (minute 33, just looked it up), and it might also have also been in that big FDA session held about the booster. So maybe in countries that have a lot of covid around (not NZ and Oz, conspicuously) there is a spike of bad covid cases and resulting deaths that occurs due to susceptible vaccinated people becoming infected immediately after a dose.
      
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      October 15, 2021 4:25pm
  - crackle
    
    Well we are going to be the international test case in terms of how effective the Pfizer vaccine really is given we have had very low levels of community transmission so not alot of natural immunity to cloud results and Pfizers the only shot in town.
    Id say we’ll know in 3-6 months
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:39am
gorse

I note California has banned small off road petrol engines from 2024. This includes lawn mowers and chainsaws. Only a matter of time before our lot think this is a good idea and follow. I just stood by my group of blue gums, some heading up to two metres at the base. They need to come down in the next few years, too close to the house. I was contemplating how I do that with a small electric chainsaw. Stupidity at the highest level.
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October 15, 2021 8:05am
- kowtow
  
  California is a lost cause.
  
  If our bunch of muppets tried that here it would be similar to Jones’ shower head moment.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:26am
- Master Mariner
  
  Might be a good time to buy up cheap second mowers and chain saws for the New Great Buy Back.
  
  This Government literally runs from one unintended consequence to another. I just cant keep up.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Imagine some weedy little guy with an electric post hole borer!
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:31am
  - dannz
    
    Instant torque yehaah!
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Just like riding a commercial floor polisher when drunk LOL! Try it, I have.
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:03pm
  - RightFirstTime
    
    Are you referring to James Shaw?
    
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    October 15, 2021 12:17pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Whatever gave you that idea …
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:02pm
- Yvette
  
  Gorse
  Each year forest and grass fires sweep California, majorly fed by un-controlled undergrowth.
  Banning mowers and chainsaws is a disaster waiting to catch alight.
  Get your blue gums down as soon as you can, least Shaw picks this idea up while he sits in MIQ for two weeks, and perhaps change your nom de plume from ‘Gorse’ :o)
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:31am
  - Yvette
    
    PS:
    I remember, from the safety of New Zealand, talking on the phone to a friend in Horizon Drive, Malibu Heights, with lots of swearing and yelling in the background, as he watched a wildfire burn down one ridge and start up another towards them.
    Similarly our daughter sent an email, one otherwise quite Saturday morning, from the University of California, San Diego, saying “look at all the flames and smoke” as Cedar Fire which killed 15 people, came within 200m of the international student dorms. She was apt to send such emails, with photographs, to give parents grey hair.
    One person owning land told me they had to clear their land of undergrowth or the local council did and sent you the bill, then over years it eased until conservation groups got the council to ban clearing such growth – dopey in the extreme, since it helped fuel the fires that turned trees, really worth saving, into ash – and homes along with it.
    
    That they now ban off road petrol engines from 2024, to include lawn mowers and chainsaws, is something only Green loonies can come up with.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:21am
    - Sacha
      
      Classic example of how succeeding generations fail to learn the lessons of history.It happened in Oz too – remember the dreadful Bushlake fires?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJHp4jvE7tc
      
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      October 15, 2021 9:48am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Actually in a lot of the fires, until they get just too intense, the only things that do survive are large trees as their trunks are able to withstand the heat for long enough for the fire to sweep past. There’s an interesting photo of one of the towns in California, that I’ve seen, a before and after set. The before has this very pleasant looking place with houses dotted around (pretty suburban actually) with lots of tres of various sizes and a lot of brush and undergrowth, all very green. The after is a barren looking place with quite a number of large trees with (mostly) green crowns, and nothing else, no houses, no undergrowth, no brush, just the ground and the remains of roads and a few presumably concrete bases of buildings. Probably could find a whole series of concrete floor slabs if one looked closely.
      
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      October 15, 2021 10:43am
- timl
  
  California has the Government it deserves. They had the chance with a Recall and still voted for The status quo. Anyone with half a brain and half a dollar is now leaving their for Florida or other Red States.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:42am
- graham
  
  Even with a large electric chainsaw, you’re stuffed if your extension cord doesn’t reach 🙁
  
  Battery powered lawn mowers … I wonder how long the batteries last on a charge. How many batteries will lawn-mowing contractors like Jims Mowing have to carry around for a day’s work?
  
  And how will our world-class (pffft) infrastructure cope when, in the brave new world envisioned by James Shaw et al, everyone comes home from the office and from 5:00 in the evening they start cooking with electricity (and this will include those people whose gas hobs have been outlawed), and plug in their electric cars AND a dozen batteries to recharge?
  
  Mmm, I love power outages caused by an overloaded system that can’t cope.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:48am
  - crackle
    
    Some of the battery stuff is actually pretty damn good now, best part is with the chainsaws, you can knock over a small to medium tree in an urban area without attracting an eco warriors attention…
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:45am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Battery life varies of course, but a small lawn is one battery, medium is two. Contractors would need to carry and run a generator on their trailer or carry 20 or more batteries.
    
    There might be larger commercial mowers with larger batteries. The wind and solar powered mowers have so far proved to be a bust though…
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:45am
    - Batman
      
      Having just bought an electric one I can tell you that when I was shopping around i saw multiple mowers with 3-4 18v 4a battery slots.
      
      Plenty of juice to do even a large lawn.
      
      Or you could buy a corded one…
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:18pm
      - graham
        
        Or you could buy a corded one…
        
        … and the local “Jim’s Mowing” contractor tries to explain to the house-owner why he wants them to leave the house unlocked while they’re at work.
        
        “Honestly, it’s only so I can plug my lawn-mower in … I’m sure leaving your house unlocked for the whole day is fine …”
        
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        October 15, 2021 2:39pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Maybe they’ve improved, neighbour had one with 2 slots, barely sufficed for his pretty small lawn unless it was low on growth. Of course he wasn’t the fastest of mowers, but still…
        
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        October 15, 2021 3:33pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      What is the generator to run on? Jacinda’s tears?
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:59pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Had two successive electric lawn mowers (corded) between 2002 and 2019. Repaired the bastards endlessly because while electric motors are dependable the rest of the structure is not.
      
      When the last POS began falling apart after just four years I caved and went back to petrol. Only regret is I should have bought one with even more torque. 🙂
      
      Mind you, my other mower is a 15 year old, grunty-as-shit ride-on.
      
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      October 15, 2021 8:19pm
  - bronny1
    
    We can do half our lawn (600m2 section with 200m2 house plus large driveway) on one charge of two batteries. So lawnmower men would need two batteries every 20 min or so
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And what happened down at Lake Ohau when folks stopped clearing brush weeds and DoC stopped grazing leases on tussock lands?
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/427980/lake-ohau-fire-former-firefighter-says-he-warned-doc-for-years-over-potential-blaze
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:56am
  - backster
    
    But Maggie the experts say the fires were caused by global warming don’t you believe them.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:23am
- David Garrett
  
  gorse: not to mention electric bulldozers and diggers…but then “modifying the natural environment” is so last century.
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And electric landcruiser to tow my boat. Oh wait, Toyota said they were NOT in discussions about this with Jaspinda. Busted again
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:07pm
    - graham
      
      That would be your boat with the electric outboards?
      
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      October 15, 2021 2:40pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Not a lot of recharge places off the top of the Mokes (Mokohinaus)
        
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        October 15, 2021 4:18pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Get a very long extension lead, isolating transformer, and a powerful mains driven electric chainsaw. Or same chainsaw and a decent diesel electric generator, which would have the added satisfaction of making a nonsense of the reduced emissions ostensible reason for the ban.
  
  And don’t kid yourselves, will happen here soon enough. The bureaucrats are salivating at the thought of new regulations to control the proles.
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:37am
  - Paulus
    
    Be like us we employ a regular good man to cut our lawns and trim other bits when required.
    And he sprays our driveways etc annually as well.
    Not a Rich Prick either !
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Weather boy just interviewed Jaspinda. She was waffling on about the Delta variant was very prominent in those who had not been vaccinated. A lie by omission. Even those who are double vaxed are getting Covid Delta.
Why did weather boy not pull her up on this?
The shit she gets away with is amazing
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October 15, 2021 8:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  The PM has proven herself to be a pathologically liar. For her and her ilk, truth is routinely subordinated to anything that advances the background narrative.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:09am
  - Sacha
    
    I would rather call her ignorant. She doesn’t question anything her advisors tell her, and it’s clear that they all follow the same line, so that she simply parrots what they tell her.
    Medicine isn’t learnt in a day, or by listening to people on television , something that the general public doesn’t understand either.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:54am
    - Tricati
      
      To be able to question her advisors requires a degree of intellect to test the advisor’s hypothesis. Unfortunately, Ardern does not possess the required intellect as witnessed by the daily ‘scripted’ pulpit announcements and her absence from any interview likely to embarrass her shallow depth of understanding.
      
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      October 15, 2021 10:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      She does not understand what the advisors tell her – that is why she waffles word soup
      
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      October 15, 2021 10:49am
  - krazykiwi
    
    pathologically? Sheesh. I need a proof reader. Or to slow down 🙂
    
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    October 15, 2021 12:39pm
- Flossie
  
  Weather boy is not exactly a gifted journalist. Plus he’s a Jacinda fanboy
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:16am
- Frank the tank
  
  Why did weather boy not pull her up on this?
  
  Because he is one the celebrity ‘troop’. A funny one but one of the troop nonetheless.
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:26am
- surfing
  
  Do vaccinated people have the same chance of catching covid as unvaccinated people, all other things being equal?
  
  CDC says this…. (more studies are needed but data shows reduced infections in vaccinated)….question is, how much reduced?
  
  Early data suggest infections in fully vaccinated persons are more commonly observed with the Delta variant than with other SARS-CoV-2 variants. However, data show fully vaccinated persons are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2, and infections with the Delta variant in fully vaccinated persons are associated with less severe clinical outcomes. Infections with the Delta variant in vaccinated persons potentially have reduced transmissibility than infections in unvaccinated persons, although additional studies are needed.
  
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  October 15, 2021 11:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Excellent question to ask Jaspinda. How much reduced?
    Wow, her answer will make my head hurt
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:14pm
  - bronny1
    
    Data from the UK was shared Here yesterday. For the 40-49 age group, twice as many cases in vaxxed as unvaxxed. And I think more than half of this age group must be vaxxed.
    I think deaths were higher in unvaxxed though.
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:26pm
    - Batman
      
      Because the vast majority are vaccinated.
      
      98+ percent of deaths are in the unvaccinated.
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:28pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Batman, the 98% is bullshit, and you know it. Which simply means you are lying. Again.
        
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        October 15, 2021 1:37pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Batman, reply to krazykiwi, or withdraw and apologise for your lie, or put up proof ….
        
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        October 15, 2021 4:23pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Infections with the Delta variant in vaccinated persons potentially have reduced transmissibility than infections in unvaccinated persons, although additional studies are needed
    
    Nope. The evidence points to identical viral load. What is different is the potential for the vaccinated to become walking variant factories given the non-sterilizing (aka ‘leaky’) nature of the current crop of vaccines.
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:33pm
krazykiwi

Not happy to simply sniff their hair, Biden is now getting ready to start jabbing 5 years olds.

Soon it will be babies, household pets, livestock, sparrows… anything really, so long as it gives Big Pharma time to cook up the next crisis and solution paring.

How long will it take before the fear-filled wake up and see how they’ve been duped?
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October 15, 2021 8:06am
- Scott
  
  krazy – don’t look now but this morning on Stuff they had an article about the need to vaccinate 5 to 12-year-olds here in New Zealand. Crazy stuff.
  
  Joe Biden is really struggling in America. Whole football stadiums are chanting his name but not in a good way – “F***Joe Biden!”
  
  Even the polls are not looking good and he has experienced a massive fall in popularity. I suspect that he won’t finish out the term. He can barely speak even using a teleprompter.
  
  Sadly for the Democrats Kamala Harris would step in. She is not popular with Americans. I’m thinking Pres Trump in 2024. 🙂
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘Let’s go Brandon’ What a pathetic cover up attempt
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjsCOGaSjic
      
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      October 15, 2021 8:37am
    - curry4me
      
      Steve Otto(North Shore) I wouldn’t be surprised if the T-Shirts are already on sale. Probably coffee mugs too.
      
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      October 15, 2021 8:44am
      - Charmaine Hawke
        
        They sure my Facebook feed is full of them.
        I just wonder if a local Let’s go Linda would work? (think 2 word version of the Biden one)
        
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        October 15, 2021 9:28am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They are. Dems want them banned. Dems also trying to ban those free Trump coins – just pay shipping. I have quite a few
        
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        October 15, 2021 9:29am
    - alloytoo
      
      It’s started a new rallying cry.
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:06pm
  - curry4me
    
    Scott: And a red tsunami in 2022.
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:45am
  - Inandout
    
    Scott, Harris won’t take over as she was placed there as a person of colour, not as a future President. Watch for Nancy choosing her ‘pick’ soon.
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:00am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Tricky, Harris would have to resign unless she gets Arkancided, and that surely would be going too far even for this current administration.
      
      My view is changing, I now think unless he actually has a brain aneurism and collapses on the spot the Dems will cling to Biden for the full 4 years regardless of just how more addled and incompetent he becomes.
      
      But as an interesting exercise, let’s assume that the Democrats can persuade Harris to step down, maybe fake a medical scare or something, plus a huge bribe, whatever. That then allows them to nominate a new VP – and note that without Harris’s critical vote they are 50:50 in the senate and can’t automatically chose a replacement without at least one Republican vote – but ignore that.
      
      Who could they chose who would be apparently popular AND capable ? Is there any such person available to them ?
      
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      October 15, 2021 10:55am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Michelle Obama.
        
        Although, she has too much sense to accept.
        
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        October 15, 2021 7:26pm
  - tf78
    
    Scott, I’m sure they’re trying to wangle Nanci Pelosi to take over as President as I think they will try and impeach Kamala and get her out of the way. (Just my opinion)
    
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    October 15, 2021 11:10am
- kowtow
  
  The Dems wouldn’t allow oil exploration off the coasts they controlled , to protect the environment .
  
  Now all coast lines are going to be blighted and destroyed with wind generators .
  
  Be inneresting to see how they cope in hurricane season , ‘specially as those hurricanes are now so hyper violent due to car drivers and meat eaters.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:19am
  - oldfella
    
    @kowtow
    OH PLEASE! Climate Crazies Claim Global Stilling At Fault For Wind Turbines Not Producing Energy
    https://lidblog.com/global-stilling/
    
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    October 15, 2021 12:53pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Which means they now admit to lying to us about increased weather phenomena…
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:09pm
- PhilBest
  
  Ironically I think a rebellion would be certain if the euthanization of all household pets, or perhaps just cats, or dogs, were mandated to stop Covid.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:22am
  - Ehlana
    
    This was on the BBC this morning: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58894320
    
    A couple in Vietnam learned from their hospital beds that 12 of their dogs had been put down by authorities “over fears the animals could spread the virus.”
    
    There’s no evidence that dogs and cats can pass Covid to humans, though they can get it from them.
    
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    October 15, 2021 3:46pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    If we really cared about global warming, we’d put down pets.
    
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    October 15, 2021 7:29pm
    - PhilBest
      
      And Antelopes, Vildebeest and Buffalo….
      
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      October 16, 2021 6:33am
kowtow

The Media Pack Dog attacks on Sandra Goudie are disturbing to say the least.

What’s our democracy become when personal choice counts for nothing.

Where’s the “kindness”.
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October 15, 2021 8:11am
- PhilBest
  
  I think William Briggs made the definitive philosophical statement on this a few days ago.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/10/general_debate_14_october_2021.html#comment-3040672
  
  It is long, so I won’t paste the whole thing again here, do read the whole thing. Here’s a sample:
  
  “…Cruel and heartless. No compassion exists in her soul. She will punish her enemies and show no mercy. She would take your job, isolate you, and forbid you to make a living. Make a living. She would make you die, taking away your life bit by bit—if you do not do what she wants. And she would laugh.
  
  This is the true essence of the “soft” effeminate toxic femininity authoritarianism that rules us…”
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:27am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Loved this chart: After vaccinating over 85% of its population, Singapore finally flattened the curve, but along the wrong axis.
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:40am
    - emmess
      
      Don’t care about the number of cases
      Look at the death rate
      
      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/
      Around 0.015%,
      Singapore is pretty much the only country honestly reporting the true numbers, ie Of Covid as opposed to With Covid
      
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      October 15, 2021 9:09am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I agree. Actually I was surprised to see case data plotted. I had thought they’d stopped reporting cases completely.
        
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        October 15, 2021 9:22am
- Paulus
  
  Of course they attack her – she is a former National Party MP and a good Mayor.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:30am
- kevn
  
  @kowtow… Sandra Goudie is in good company. Many medical professionals are in the same boat waiting for Novavax or Valneva, but don’t have to state their stance.
  Quite a few KB’s feel the same as well.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:31am
  - kowtow
    
    Agree.
    
    Even McElnay acknowledged yesterday novovax on the way for them.
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:53am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yep – I’m waiting for Novavax.
      
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      October 15, 2021 11:12am
  - Ed Snack
    
    My son is the same, and I have to say given his age and health he is probably taking a rational stance. Presuming of course that these newer vaccines have a better safety profile once tested.
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:56am
  - tf78
    
    I just watched a very good round table interview with eight doctors and scientists. They’re not anti vax (well the traditional ones anyway) they said the only way forward is with treatments. They also said vaccinations being used right now are for Covid which has been surpassed by Delta which is a different virus. So the Max Vax for the weekend is absolutely futile.
    
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    October 15, 2021 11:16am
    - PhilBest
      
      Probably this?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeVy7jQoz0
      
      Glad to know if there is a full length one.
      
      It beggars belief that something like this might be deemed “misinformation”, these doctors have serious credibility. At least it is still up on YouTube at the moment.
      
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      October 16, 2021 6:35am
I remember when

Just heard a minute of the PM on theAM Show.
Are there any two words that have been made to sound less sincere than “Thank you.”
A sort of appendage to every statement or sentence.
They result in a type of involuntary revulsion and have become ‘verbal diarrhia.’
An endless background noise accompanied by an endless number of ‘feel good’ utterances.
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October 15, 2021 8:15am
ecco

Government seems to be doing an a**se about face increasingly re the covid response. Now seem to be in full damage control mode. All the suggestions businesses and the opposition are making seem to be getting fast tracked, antigen testing, talking about Miq home isolation. Not before time!

Bloomfield sounded a spent man on Hosking’s show this morning having to back down off his high horse. Should be an enjoyable next few days of backdowns. Get the popcorn out.

Next thing the government science ‘experts’ will be put back in their boxes. Andrew Little seemed to have found a new best friend in the GP Council head, who was wheeled out on the news last night declaring that ‘covid’s actually not that bad’ and ‘we have to live with it’. Wot?? Wonder how much it cost to buy that statement.

The Maori’s are declaring that their people will be worst affected with covid becoming endemic. They wouldn’t be if they get off the couch and get vaccinated. I’m sure it’s nothing some more settlements won’t solve.

Anyway sincerely hoping that Ardern and co come to their senses next Monday and open up Auckland before irreparable lockdown damage is done to the city.
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October 15, 2021 8:16am
- kowtow
  
  ‘They wouldn’t be if they get off the couch and get vaccinated.’
  
  This thing is going to be very bad , even for the vaccinated , if you’re already very sick or mobidly obese.
  
  It will be a pandemic of the vaccinated .
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:23am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed. As I said yesterday we have an elderly friend in the UK, double-jabbed and in otherwise good health, in ICU at the moment, having contracted Covid despite his vaccinations.
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:32am
    - kowtow
      
      I do think the govt and Media are in danger of over selling the benefits of this vax .
      
      It will lead to a very high level of buyers’ remorse and increase distrust in the govt , the media and ironically the vax itself.
      
      But the messaging will change ; it kept the pressure off the hospitals .
      
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      October 15, 2021 8:52am
      - Weetbix3ways
        
        I wish it would lead to buyer’s remorse.
        But I think on average this country has become far to gullible for that level of critical thinking.
        
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        October 15, 2021 10:56am
  - ecco
    
    @kowtow I’d like to see some more health policies on obesity prevention aimed at these communities instead of the millions that will go to consultants to restructure the health system.
    
    I agree with you that vaccination alone is not going to mitigate the worst effects of covid for those who are obese and even just overweight. But hopefully vaccination will keep some of these people out of hospital.
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:39am
- Tony Stuart
  
  “Damage control”is a very apt description ecco. I think the Government has realised the damage Level Four lockdowns have done to the community, which is why future L4’s have been pretty much ruled out. But they don’t have a clue about what to do instead.
  
  Perhaps, instead of copying National’s suggestions one by one (yesterday it was rapid antigen testing), Labour should admit that National’s comprehensive Opening Up policy had some genuine merit, and adopt it holus bolus 😀
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:31am
  - MCos
    
    Rapid antigen testing does not necessarily detect an infection. It can be up to 50% inaccurate, because it still relies on collecting a sample by bunging a cotton bud up your nose; only now by an untrained person, maybe yourself.
    That’s my understanding
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:14am
  - ecco
    
    @Tony, I was talking about damage control to their own Labour brand, let alone the damage that they are doing to the whole of NZ, not to mention Auckland in particular.
    
    I don’t think Ardern has ever really cared about anything but her own brand. That’s the damage I was talking about. There’s damage and there’s damage.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:44am
- timl
  
  The Jacinda Junta is now in full chook with head cut off mode.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:43am
- solarsailer
  
  When you have no plan, you plan by watching the polls and bounce around accordingly.
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:03am
  - Dairy Flat
    
    Please excuse the downtick, hazard of phone browsing.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:42am
- Ed Snack
  
  I wonder if they might eventually have a sufficient change of heart to actually recommend a treatment regime for those who have a positive test but before they have serious symptoms.
  
  Something like the I-MASK+ protocol, cheap and potently very effective. Maybe add aspirin as well.
  
  But that might be just too much of a climb down. Possible though, Pfizer et al have already made their billions so the pressure against treatment will reduce.
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:59am
Andrei

New Zealand’s ruling class needs to be held in the contempt it deserves.

Here’s this poor old bloke, 74 years old with bowel cancer trying to enjoy the time that’s left to him, minding his own business and he is treated like a criminal and hauled before the courts and punished
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October 15, 2021 8:16am
- youcanthandlethetruth
  
  Touch luck. If he wanted to go about his life without restrictions he should of joined a gang.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:23am
- PhilBest
  
  I saw recently that some German over 100 years old has been put on trial for his role in crimes against humanity in 1945.
  
  All the people willingly participating in the current crimes against humanity, “just following orders”, need to stop and consider, the wheels of justice may well be grinding away for decades catching up with all of you – but humanity has already shown willing to let them keep grinding, wherever you might be and however old you might be.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:31am
  - kevn
    
    @Phil B… Thinking of some rough Aussie cops in recent times. Way over the top.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:11am
    - PhilBest
      
      Definitely!
      
      And the worst of them have been censored by YouTube, Facebook etc – these platforms need to be held guilty for concealing crimes against humanity. Why on earth would they do this?
      
      https://www.bitchute.com/video/fAKbo9vmNcoB/
      
      Perhaps these totalitarian conspirators are afraid there would be a mass uprising demanding justice? Why would you NOT want that? Talk about evidence of guilt in conspiracy.
      
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      October 16, 2021 6:40am
  - mawm
    
    I think it will be an avalanche when the world realises how they have been lied to and misled. Here’s a start – “Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, the Chief Scientist at the World Health Organisation (WHO), was apparently served a legal notice by Indian Bar Association (IBA) on May 25, 2021, for her alleged act of spreading disinformation and thus misleading the people of India, in order to fulfill her own agenda, so the plaintiff’s action declares. It is reported that Dr. Soumya Swaminathan deliberately ignored and suppressed the FLCCC and BIRD Panel’s data regarding the effectiveness of the drug Ivermectin, with an intent to dissuade the people of India from using Ivermectin.” https://trialsitenews.com/indian-bar-association-serves-legal-notice-upon-dr-soumya-swaminathan-the-chief-scientist-who/
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:49am
- YesMinister
  
  That is truly disgusting. Judges in this country seem to genuinely hate normal people while coddling every pervert and murderer they can get near.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:39am
- Rich Prick
  
  Disgusting. I guess this is life under Cindy’s thumb.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Woke power mad dudge. The guy should have taken a kayak
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:55am
- Random T Person
  
  Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. I am starting to feel very uncomfortable in New Zealand, seeing headlines like that, or of people being arrested for travelling domestically, etc. It’s absolutely horrifying.
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:41am
- Bobba Fret
  
  How ridiculous. Then on the other end of the scale, someone beats up their partner and threatens them with a fake gun and gets home detention!
  
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  October 15, 2021 3:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fishy, the guy knew about guns. Media interference going on here
    
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    October 15, 2021 4:27pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Seriously what did you expect? The police and the courts are there to enforce laws enacted by Parliament.
  
  What choice do they have? The polling shows that people are still in love with Jacinda. I saw a poll this morning showing that 70 percent of people would support a ban on unvaccinated people travelling by air domestically.
  
  If there are lockdown rules there are rules that need to be obeyed by everyone. We all have our sad stories.
  
  My position is clear – 23 December open up. The end. But I know that is never happening. I will be lucky to travel with home isolation fully vaccinated and I will be wearing a mask for years to come.
  
  You have seen nothing yet. New Zealand is about to be hit with a wave of hospitalisations of the unvaccinated and draconian restrictions of the unvaccinated.
  
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  October 15, 2021 4:40pm
kowtow

The Media pardy and others are making a huge deal about this thing and “vulnerable” and so called “hard to reach” communidies and yet Robbo from the Pulpit of Truth made it very clear that the spread is largely due to households mixing in non compliance of the law.

Where’s the media pardy outrage at those spreading this thing within Auckland borders as opposed to their habit of highlighting the jet set for vilification .
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October 15, 2021 8:16am
- ecco
  
  Did you see Robertson yesterday hammering everyone that they are not sticking to their bubbles and spreading the virus. What a positive message. Not.
  
  We all know it’s mainly low socio economic households ignoring the rules. Mainly Robertson’s constituents.
  
  Media of course not calling out specific communities for these transgressions yet on the other hand hammering the odd middle class person escaping the leaky border and stringing them out to dry in the MSM.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:33am
  - CJames
    
    Robertson’s constituents are all the public servants living it up at home in Wellington Central. They are the ones most likely to stick to their bubble.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:07am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I think you will find they are working at home. At least the ones that I deal with.
      
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      October 15, 2021 4:41pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        “Working” from home, Austin
        
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        October 15, 2021 7:34pm
  - MCos
    
    “We all know it’s mainly low socio economic households ignoring the rules.”
    Wellington has its share of strugglers crammed into rentals that are too small, but there’s no covid-19 down there in Robertson’s electorate.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:30am
    - ecco
      
      All Labour voters are Robbo’s constituents.
      
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      October 15, 2021 9:50am
- Paulus
  
  Remember Robbo is CIC of the Pulpit now.
  Jacinda has avoided being seen – except to the East Coaters and Gizzie.
  Sha obviously cannot answer a simple question even from Tova Nd Jessie by ar5rangement so she is elsewhere doing other things like visiting Kindys where they still love her as children as such have no fear, which she portrays to us all.
  Fear is Paramount remember to keep her voters in place.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:35am
  - ecco
    
    Yes the usual ducking for cover from Ardern due to the ‘back down’ rollout they’ve decided on.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:51am
I remember when

Do wars and weapons-of-war help us to understand that no matter how bad things seem – they could be worse.
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October 15, 2021 8:19am
G152

Passing thought.
Why do the malcontent left not take further advantage of democracy and move to North Korea.
One of the last remaining communist bastions as the others now pretend to be something else.
From that hermit fifedom they’d be able to live the life style they so desire.
As could we
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October 15, 2021 8:20am
- PhilBest
  
  You have it back to front, I am afraid. The minority of us who still have some common sense and morality, need to find our Galt’s Gulch. Perhaps if the USA split into two, we could all be accepted as refugees in the sane half that would be centred on Florida and Texas.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They might have difficulty accessing enough food..
  https://www.thedailystar.net/news/asia/rest-asia/news/north-korea-starvation-risk-looms-un-expert-calls-ease-sanctions-2192846
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:43am
  - mawm
    
    Some of them could do with less food. They might just find their health improving.
    
    I wonder what the incidence of type 2 diabetes, hypertension and renal failure is in NK?
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:55am
  - Liberal Cliche
    
    Aww come on tired of that old muh North Koreans are starving propaganda myth thats been circulating since the 80’s.
    
    It’s all Democracy lies. Literal fake news.
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:30am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Not in the ruling classes.
    Plus ca change, eh Grant?
    
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    October 15, 2021 7:38pm
Gravelroad

Anyone think it is a little ironic that Owen Jennings’ post yesterday seeking to blame women voters for supporting the Labour Party was quickly followed by the news that two prostitutes had arrived illegally in Blenheim – the gateway of the South Island?
I suspect their trip was organised by men for men.
So will there be a post chastising male pimps and drug dealers for selfishly making money during the pandemic and potentially introducing Covid 19 into the South Island?
And what of the male customers?
Imported sex workers more stylish than local?
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October 15, 2021 8:25am
- PhilBest
  
  Ann Coulter said decades ago that she would rather women didn’t have the vote, as it would mean she wouldn’t have to live in the kind of society that was the result on the kind of politics they disproportionately vote for.
  
  The Covid age spells the end of everything we hold dear for the very reason that hysterical and gullible women are enough of a voting bloc to keep fraudulent tyranny going forever. Ironically, “The Handmaid’s Tale” was a warning, not of the consequences of resurgent theocracy in good times (which is the stupid assumption of feminists), but of the consequences of harsh realities post a social apocalypse. An apocalypse quite possibly brought on by women voters support for policies of civilizational suicide.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:39am
  - MCos
    
    You must long for the good old days when there no women in Cabinet and maybe one MP.
    The first Labour Government for example which brought in state housing, the welfare system & healthcare which evolved into that which we have today.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:43am
    - Melbury
      
      Hardly a ringing endorsement.
      
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      October 15, 2021 11:48am
- kowtow
  
  Tim Barnett’s Bill ensured that prozzies are under their own control and their business is like any other .
  
  Totally on them , not on anyone else .
  
  In respect of those two though , could it be the govt message not getting through due to “multicultural and diversity” reasons ? Are these two from a vulnerable or hard to reach “communidy” .
  
  Can blame any number of causes du jour.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:48am
  - Paulus
    
    See Barnett has returned from the UK and now has some Labour Government highly paid job in Wellington.
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:52pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Why would Asian prostitutes receive a visa to work in NZ?
    
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    October 15, 2021 7:46pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What a nonsensical post that was.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:54am
- Tomtoddy
  
  So are you saying women have no voice in the matter? They are helpless in the hands of guys wanting sex? They had no choice but to go to Blenheim? Yeah. Nah.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:56am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Prostitution is a legal occupation now and they are eligible for the wage subsidy. However, many prostitutes do not declare their income to the IRD and therefore cannot get the wage subsidy (as they have no income) without giving the IRD evidence of their massive tax evasion.
  
  For this reason, they have to keep working and those two women probably decided it would be easier in the South Island so illegally travelled there to continue their work.
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:27am
  - Bluegrass
    
    It depends on how hard the evidence is…
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:07am
- David Garrett
  
  Imported sex workers more stylish than local?
  
  Clearly you didn’t see the pic of one of them on Stuff yesterday
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:52am
  - cmm
    
    DG: Our South Island tastes might seem a bit foreign to you!
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:11am
  - Fletch
    
    https://youtu.be/lPQ6VQzuyxU?t=14
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:51am
    - Nickc2
      
      The thought that sprung immediately to my mind was ‘Drug Mule’ when I saw the video clip on TV. If she’s a hooker, she’s definitely more than an eight-pinter.
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:28pm
I remember when

Do the current arguments about vaccination and anti-vax and vaccination hesitant compare apples with apples.
When we are vaccinated for polio it prevents polio.
The same for measles, mumps and rubella vaccination.
The yearly influenza vaccination is variant specific so may not do so.
Perhaps a reason it is preferred those vulnerable are vaccinated but not mandated.
Which brings us to the mandating or otherwise, whether by legislation or individual action, of the covid immunisation.
The MOH suggest only around a hundred people have a health issue that would prevent immunisation.
If you are immunised what the hell does it matter whether others are or not.
If it matters that much what is the benefit of vaccination.
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October 15, 2021 8:34am
- Liberal Cliche
  
  The people who invented those older vaccines weren’t out to make billions per year off of a subscription service to them. They were genuine heros of humanity.
  
  Pfizer is a criminal organization that has a history of doing crime.
  
  Heres a few of them…
  
  Pfizer received the biggest fine in U.S. history as part of a $2.3 Billion plea deal with federal prosecutors for mis-promoting medicines (Bextra, Celebrex) and paying kickbacks to compliant doctors. Pfizer pleaded guilty to mis-branding the painkiller Bextra by promoting the drug for uses for which it was not approved.
  In the 1990s, Pfizer was involved in defective heart valves that lead to the deaths of more than 100 people. Pfizer had deliberately misled regulators about the hazards. The company agreed to pay $10.75 Million to settle justice department charges for misleading regulators.
  Pfizer paid more than $60 Million to settle a lawsuit over Rezulin, a diabetes medication that caused patients to die from acute liver failure.
  In the UK, Pfizer has been fined nearly €90 Million for overcharging the NHS, the National Health Service. Pfizxer charged the taxpayer an additional €48 Million per year for what should have cost €2 million per year.
  Pfizer agreed to pay $430 Million in 2004 to settle criminal charges that it had bribed doctors to prescribe its epilepsy drug Neurontin for indications for which it was not approved.
  In 2011, a jury found Pfizer committed racketeering fraud in its marketing of the drug Neurontin. Pfizer agreed to pay $142.1 Million to settle the charges.
  Pfizer disclosed that it had paid nearly nearly 4,500 doctors and other medical professionals some $20 Million for speaking on Pfizer’s behalf.
  In 2012, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission announced that it had reached a $45 Million settlement with Pfizer to resolve charges that its subsidiaries had bribed overseas doctors and other healthcare professionals to increase foreign sales.
  Pfizer was sued in a U.S. federal court for using Nigerian children as human guinea pigs, without the childrens’ parents’ consent. Pfizer paid $75 Million to settle in Nigerian court for using an experimental antibiotic, Trovan, on the children. The company paid an additional undisclosed amount in the U.S. to settle charges here. Pfizer had violated international law, including the Nuremberg Convention established after WWII, due to Nazi experiments on unwilling prisoners.
  Amid widespread criticism of gouging poor countries for drugs, Pfizer pledged to give $50 million for an AIDS drug to South Africa. Later, however, Pfizer failed to honor that promise.
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:36am
- Ed Snack
  
  Just to mention though, the measles vaccine has around a 95% effectiveness, but is essentially sterilising so that the rare cases of vaccine breakthrough are typically not infectious, or minimally so. Mumps is a bit less effective 85-90%, but same sterilising effect.
  
  Covid, the big issue with the vaccine is that breakthrough cases are every bit as infectious as original cases in unvaccinated people. This is under the assumption that the vaccine has no impact on innate immunity and doesn’t undermine the normal immune reaction to Covid. This non-sterilising aspect is why despite very high vaccination levels in some countries, Covid is still spreading in waves.
  
  Strictly speaking I think there is some value in not treating the “vaccines” as vaccines in the normal sense, but as a preinfection treatment to boost the immune response to an actual infection so as to reduce the severity of symptoms and reduce the chance of hospitalisation and death. Leave the idea of “vaccine” to imply actual case immunity.
  
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  October 15, 2021 11:11am
- bronny1
  
  Yeah there is the MOH 100 and then there is reality. My 25 yr old niece is type 1 diabetic. She had a massive anaphylactic shock from the flu jab so has decided not to have this one. The medical professionals say she should just have it at the ED so her reaction can be managed…. Oh and she’s a teacher so she will also lose her job over this.
  
  What happened to “first do no harm”?
  
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  October 15, 2021 1:37pm
Stu2

Whne I heard the coming isolate at home/treat at home paradigm yesterday. my first thought was there will be a lot of household transmission. Both among the unvaccinated and those with waning vaccine protection.

The slowness in getting to even 80% first dose in rural and some of provincial NZ does not bode well.
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October 15, 2021 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  Don’t panic.
  
  It’s going to be a pandemic of the already very sick and obese .
  
  The vast majority of folk won’t even know they have it.
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:45am
  - MCos
    
    95% of kids infected with polio barely knew they had it either.
    I’m rather hoping that if I catch COVID-19 it won’t effect me too much either now that I’ve been vaccinated.
    But you never know. There’s been three or four people in hospital who were fully vaccinated who probably thought the same thing.
    
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    October 15, 2021 11:40am
- cas
  
  If Auckland gets to 90% 1st dose but places like Kawerau are still at 60% what happens then?
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:07am
  - Sacha
    
    Kawerau people probably have the sort of lifestyle that breeds immunity. Lots of out door activity, big personal spaces, not a lot of bars . . . . . . .
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:09am
- Ed Snack
  
  Stu2, vaccinated and unvaccinated people seem to catch Covid with similar frequencies, but vaccinated people have a higher probability of developing serious symptoms and of needing hospitalisation.
  
  So household transmission levels wouldn’t change much, but more cases would need treatment. Being in the same house, so with high viral concentrations and probably relatively poor ventilation, is a major driver of spread. In summer with the warmer temperatures and plenty of advice to ventilate well and stay outside as much as possible, it could be minimal used.
  
  And it could of course be alleviated very efficiently if existing known effective treatment was offered to other people in the household, but that seems beyond our medical bureaucracies competence to arrange. Hells bells, even just recommending daily micro dose aspirin ($4 for 28 tablets) would probably reduce transmission by 50%, and reduce symptoms as well.
  
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  October 15, 2021 11:18am
curry4me

ASTERISK RESIDENCY: Episode 38.
Direct from Harveywood, here is this week’s episode of Asterisk Presidency. Brought to you by the CCP, MSM, Wall Street, $oros, ANTIFA, BLM, CDC, Nordstream, globalists, ‘academia’, FBI, CIA, NSA, both Talibans, the Extinction Rebellion and Cuba.
Last week on Asterisk Residency, F*** Joe Biden was being widely chanted at football games. It has since spread to NASCAR. The fake news tried to spin it as “Let’s go Brandon”. That didn’t work. Will it spread to NHL games this winter? Will Quemala f*** Joe Biden a different way by finally pulling the 25th? Will she use Hunter’s e.mails instead? Would that represent a change I her usual MO?
Senator Sinema got a hard time from socialist Dems. Kabul Joe said it was nothing special. Will he still think so if she changes parties? Does think Cinema is a funny name for a senator? Will ‘Dr Jill’ remind him to send her a Christmas card?
Can Quemala tell the difference between moon craters and cratering poll numbers? Is she even more unelectable than Hilary Clinton? Were the kids in Quemala’s space video paid actors? Would they remember not to roll their eyes if they weren’t? Will they include it on their CVs and Linked In profiles?
Will the Durham probe cause problems Hilary Clinton can’t avoid? Can Kabul Joes Justice department make it all better?
Will the GOP flip the next blue state rep seat that comes up too? Will they use “Lets go Brandon” as a slogan? Have the T-Shirts already been printed? Will they dump MAGA hats, and T-Shirts?
Will the Democrats have to get 100 million ‘votes’ to ‘win’ in 2024? How can they do that without help from the CCP virus? Will a Trump comeback be his revenge, or their punishment?
Will the presitator invade Taiwan this week? Does Kabul Joe remember where it is? Does he think it’s a new strain of the Wuhan virus? Would he remember if it was an icecream flavour?
Has Kabul Joe read the 10th amendment? Does he remember states have rights too?
Will Walgreens have any stores in California by next week? Will shoplifters target Walmart next?
How’s that Bidenflation going? Will the supply chain problems make it worse? How about gas prices? Will Build Back Better become Build back Pricier?
Will Santa be delayed because of the supply chain crisis? Does it affect the North Pole too? Will Kabul Joe get the ports working 24/7? Will the stevedores all have to be vaxxed, and unionized? Can ‘Mayor Pete’ fix the supply chain crisis now he’s the Transport Secretary? Can he fix a fuse?
Will Kabul Joes ‘vax mandate’ cause a legal firestorm from business, unions, and the various states? Is it a fight the administration can win?
Did a CNN guest really say Trump will be re-elected? Are they still fake news? Will their ratings stop slipping? Is Brian Stelter still the transgender Mr Potato Head?

Is the recent social Security COLA the largest I decades? Is it larger than Coca Cola yet? What about Pepsi Cola? Do Americans prefer Pepsi, or Coke to Bidenflation? When will it turn to stagflation?
Will other businesses follow South West Airlines and come out against the proposed vaccine mandate?
As Kabul Joe’s polls are under water; are ‘are investors’ still returning Hunter’s calls? Has the art world moved on?
Which of Chicago, Detroit, or St Louis will adopt ‘Kill Back Better’ in the shooting gallery stakes first? Will there be a surge in BP vest sales?
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October 15, 2021 8:37am
Yvette

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Read More
• Covid advisory group members shocked not to be consulted on Auckland plan
• ‘Elimination strategy’ remains; outbreak to grow, says Hipkins
• Māori, Pacific health experts call for Level 4 in Auckland, Northland

Above, what “Hipkins’ says” is oxymoronic or outright mental-dissonance, or just plain stupage.

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Marc Daalder ? Wear a Mask, Scan QRs, Vaccinate
@marcdaalder
Stunning admission from Caroline McElnay: She says 170-180 cases would put pressure on the contact tracing system. MoH has insisted for months (in the face of expert criticism and basic maths) that they have capacity for 1000 cases a day. #nzpol #Covid19 #Covid19nz
2:03 PM · Oct 14, 2021·Twitter Web App

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Woeful vaccination rates were one thing but when it became clear according to Ministry of Health figures that the numbers of ICU beds had been reduced from 358 beds in July last year to 284 today, there had been no increase in ICU staffing for 18 months, and the NZ Medical Association’s call a year ago for a co-ordinated national ICU strategy had been ignored, the Government’s indolence began to look scandalous.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-needs-a-new-story-on-covid

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Labour is supported by 50% more women than it is men. Take away the ‘fear’ factor and Labour would poll at 30% or less. The fear factor is highlighted every day. Ardern and Hipkins talk big numbers, threaten lockdowns, leverage the fear factor. They have their little band of media hungry, publicity seeking, “experts” to supply the bullets(when else would non-descript modellers ever get in the news) and a compliant media with its well-greased palm faithfully headlining fearful numbers every day.

Here is something weird. Fear and love, the dominant emotions are fuelled by the same hormone, oxytocin. They work together well. One leader does the fear, frowny face, scary numbers, “I reject…”, bad news and one leader with the boyish face, the ready smile, the funny one-liners does more positives. Now the oxytocin is flowing. Those feminine instincts are alerted.
Kiwiblog Guest Post: We Have Been Robbed – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/10/guest_post_we_have_been_robbed.html

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Ministry of Health slips below ‘gold standard’ for COVID test result turnaround
“It has not been less than 80 percent for some time” – Dr Ayesha Verrall

How many have to die before this Government gets its merde together
Or will it continue its trend of utter non-delivery?

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The 21-member working group set up to advise the government’s response to the 200-page mental health inquiry report has been replaced with nine more working groups and one co-ordination group.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/382083/mental-health-working-group-replacement-criticised

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• Live: Hospitals preparing for influx of covid-19 cases, concerns raised on how Eds will cope.
• ‘Large numbers’ of covid cases will overwhelm GPs, who are ‘not quite’ ready for care of high risk patients – expert.
• Chris Hipkins confirms ‘home-isolation for positive cases’ in the works, ‘no question’ Delta outbreak will grow

So watch Jacinda just stand there are wave her arms and hands around more than the sign language person.
They can’t kick the can down the road this time
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October 15, 2021 8:37am
- mawm
  
  When are they going to start treating the disease early? Sending people home until they go blue is not a workable strategy. Florida with monoclonal antibodies for early disease and contacts have controlled their hospital admissions and reduced deaths. Is there place for something cheap like the Indian packs of ivermectin, vitamins D and C, and zinc? The vaccine is not going to reduce the hospital numbers by much if at all.
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:17am
Paulus

Anybody who has read Owen Jennings’s article yesterday if they have read it through will need to sit down quietly and reflect on what is said.
The watchword of it is Fear.
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October 15, 2021 8:38am
- Sacha
  
  Link? Where was it published?
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:13am
  - Paulus
    
    Jennings’s was in Kiwiblog yesterday.
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:55pm
RockyJ

Pandemic modellers and epidemiologists are receiving death threats. That is criminal.
But it is ironic because that is what they have been doing to us.
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October 15, 2021 8:38am
- Jack5
  
  It’s hard to see the point in threatening them, Rocky.
  
  They’re not threatening each other, are they?
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:00am
- Ed Snack
  
  They say they are, probably sent by arrangement from Labour Party trolls in order to gin up sympathy.
  
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  October 15, 2021 11:21am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Is that why Shaun Hendy has been quiet lately?
  
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  October 15, 2021 3:56pm
timl

#Sandra4PM
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October 15, 2021 8:44am
doggone7

Everyone reads rooms differently. People exercising their vax freedom not being a risk to you? Some exercising their freedom which ends in them or others in hospitals meaning facilities are stretched and staff are stressed?

And you, someone you know, or anyone needing attention after a road crash? Or ordinary people with the range of medical situations?
Sure, have freedom of choice, have a million not vaccinated, but acknowledge that is a risk for everyone.
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October 15, 2021 8:45am
- krazykiwi
  
  A risk? Yes ….
  
  So is playing rugby.
  So is driving a car.
  So is crossing a road.
  So is going for a swim.
  So is having a high BMI.
  So is smoking.
  So is [insert anything other than hiding under your bed].
  
  Get the point?
  
  If you want to de-socialise consequences, then I’ll wholeheartedly support you. So long as it’s consistent.
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:29am
  - dannz
    
    I’m all for de-socialising consequences.
    Hopefully Covid is a first step on the way to the rest.
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:02am
  - Alex13
    
    Every one of the risks you’ve listed (a) has been recognised as a risk, and (b) has a raft of mitigation measures developed and introduced, some even as statutory laws or rules.
    There’s no reason for the risk described by doggone to not be recognised as such and mitigated.
    
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    October 15, 2021 11:05am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t get the point.
    
    Smoking is something people decide to do to kill themselves. I don’t choose to get COVID. I have no choice
    
    Driving a car we mitigate risks in many ways. Learning to drive well, wearing seat belts etc
    
    We mitigate the risks of getting sick from COVID by getting vaccinated. To not do so is irrational. And to add to the pain the decision will largely exclude you from society for years to come. If you are a recluse with no friends, no dining out, no going to the rugby, or coverts, well I guess it doesn’t matter. But if you enjoy those things you will be stuffed.
    
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    October 15, 2021 12:30pm
    - cmm
      
      “Smoking is something people decide to do to kill themselves.”
      … and their kids etc who have no choice and we get to provide medical services for the lot of them. How many ICU beds do you think are taken up by smokers? Lots!
      
      “I don’t choose to get COVID. I have no choice.”
      But you do have a lot of choice. You might not have choice as to whether you encounter the virus, but you certainly have a lot of choice as to whether you encounter the disease and have bad outcomes (through obesity, smoking, and many other lifestyle choices).
      
      Many of the people needing treatment in hospital (and ICU) end up there due to lifestyle choices which are huge contributors to various cancers, trauma, heart conditions, asthma, diabetes, pneumonia, etc etc.
      
      Even when someone would have experienced a condition anyway, lifestyle choices typically make them worse.
      
      The same applies to almost all risks. None of them are evenly distributed.
      * Certain sports carry more risks than others, and those playing aggressively/highly competitively are more likely to be injured.
      * The vast % of all risk on the roads is centred around people below the age of 27 or so, especially males and those that hang out with them. Even within this age group, the risk is heavily skewed to a small % of dickhead drivers (my kids, for instance are at very low risk because they drive very cautiously).
      
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      October 15, 2021 2:01pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        I have a friend who is a surgeon in a regional town in Oz. Circa 70k people. In relation to :-
        
        How many ICU beds do you think are taken up by smokers? Lots!
        
        … his comment to me a couple of years ago was 20% of hospital in-patient capacity was dedicated to treating the results of smoking/alcohol/drugs. Weekend ED load was closer to 60% due to alcohol/drugs.
        
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        October 15, 2021 2:24pm
      - ecco
        
        Covid spreads much faster than any of the above other conditions you state could end you up in icu.
        
        You will not end up with 100 smokers in icu within 2 weeks of them taking up smoking. Nor will you see 100 people end up in icu from 100 car crashes that happened over a two week period.
        
        Therefore if the vaccination prevents people from ending up in icu that is going to help our icus from being over loaded.
        
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        October 16, 2021 7:26am
    - krazykiwi
      
      We mitigate the risks of getting sick from COVID by getting vaccinated
      
      That is one of the many ways a person may chose to mitigate the risk. As you know, there are others. A great many others as it turns out. So it’s dangerous for the state (or anyone) to promulgate that idea that vaccination alone confers safety. That message neuters personal agency.
      
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      October 15, 2021 3:48pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “As you know, there are others.”
        
        No in the short term there are exactly zero.
        
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        October 15, 2021 6:17pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        If you mean zero … apart from VitD3, VitC, Zinc, Quercetin, fresh air, loss of excess weight, reduction in anxiety levels, exercise … then we are in agreement.
        
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        October 15, 2021 6:27pm
- Sacha
  
  Why do you say to reports that increasing numbers of vax-peo0ple overseas are being admitted to hospital? Hmmm?
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:16am
- Fletch
  
  If they are really serious about getting rid of Covid from the country then why aren’t they using every tool at their disposal? Ivermectin. An alternate shot like Novavax or Valneva. They have one strategy and that is the Pfizer vaccine and it’s not going to work. Look, we’ve already spent billions. The least we can do is spend a bit more to get another vaccine and post out a pack of Ivermectin, Zinc, Vitamin C, Vitamin D to every household.
  
  Or do the powers-that-be really not want to get rid of Covid? If they were serious they would try every avenue, especially ones that have worked overseas. But they won’t, because of politics and money, both of which are put ahead of the health of our country.
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:46am
  - -D
    
    As soon as someone is diagnosed all obvious contacts, family, flat mates, workmates, etc. should be treated. It’s cheap and easy to dispense,
    
    Instead they swear there is ‘only one tool in the toolbox’…vaccination. Where’s our Kiwi ingenuity?
    
    Ivermectin can’t hurt and could easily help.
    
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    October 15, 2021 6:43pm
dime

Gee, Petrol is cheap at the moment LMAO

Well done Chomp.

Luckily she didnt throw any new petrol taxes on! just a couple of “levies”
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October 15, 2021 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Friends in Alaska going on about petrol now US$4.09 per gallon. Told them they are lucky. NZ price comes out as US$6.62 per US gallon
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:40am
  - dime
    
    I think I saw $2.75 this morning?
    
    1 gallon = 4.54 litres.
    
    4.54 x $2.75 = $12.48 NZ
    
    $12.48 *.70 = $8.73 US.
    
    Unreal.
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      1 US gallon = 3.8 liters. (3.71)
      
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      October 15, 2021 10:31am
      - dime
        
        turns out there are imperial gallons and US gallons lol
        
        fucking yanks!
        
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        October 15, 2021 10:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Fucking yanks! Then there is measurement. Family of our friends own a sign business in Anchorage. I did 2 days work for something to do. Cutting a sign letter side I worked in metric. Guy next to me goes wtf are you on about? It is 13 and a half inches – nope it is 343mm. Brian works in metric now coz I beat him hands down.
        The others? no way will they change, funny as
        
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        October 15, 2021 1:32pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No us gallon smaller
      
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      October 15, 2021 12:32pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Keeps those numbers big. Everything in America has to be seen as bigger
        
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        October 15, 2021 1:33pm
  - Jack5
    
    Ominous news on oil prices ….
    
    1. On the American market, futures prices for West Texas Intermediate topped $US84 a barrel this week for the first time since 2014.
    
    WTI’s market price rose 1.3 per cent today.
    
    2. Putin, president of Russia, which is second only to the United States in national oil production, said yesterday (NZ time) that oil prices could well reach $US100 per barrel as demand for all energy commodities grows.
    
    However, Putin told CNBC’s Moscow reporter that Russia is “doing everything it can” to stabilise worl energy prices.
    
    Russia and its OPEC partners were trying not to allow any shock peaks in prices.
    
    “We certainly do not want to have that — it is not in our interests,” he said, according to a translation.
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:09am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yes, For sure.
      
      Easily get 100$/bbl by Xmas be my prediction.
      
      10 years of playing catch up. Rig count increasing too slowly.
      
      Unfortunately the average person does’nt seem to care until too late.
      Ask yourself if during Times of Covid and its now 80+ then what price do you think it would of been if we did’nt have Covid.
      Easily 120-180 bbl $.
      
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      October 15, 2021 10:47am
    - All_on_Red
      
      And with Nordstream 2 all go to Germany, Putin is smiling all the way to the Bank.
      Biden’s policies seem to help Putin a lot…
      
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      October 15, 2021 11:56am
      - Nickc2
        
        More kickback for the Bidens?
        
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        October 15, 2021 12:13pm
    - Nickc2
      
      The USA was self-sufficient in Oil and Gas until a bogus election resulted in Biden becoming President whereby he cancelled all Oil and Gas projects. What a goose!
      
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      October 15, 2021 12:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        They lost 10,000 jobs when he cancelled Keystone Pipeline
        
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        October 15, 2021 4:15pm
Cinematic

If it wasn’t for Delta Jacinda et al wouldn’t be caving in now. Thank you Delta.

Now for the implosion of the most useless government in the history of our beautiful country.
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October 15, 2021 8:52am
dannz

Apparently viruses are racist:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-maori-are-paying-the-price-as-government-accused-of-giving-up-on-controlling-outbreak/IPAZKULTGYYX6Q6LZZAEQMGWQ4/
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October 15, 2021 8:57am
- graham
  
  As is the Health System, apparently, because it didn’t prioritise Maori in the early stages by allowing them to get vaccinated at a younger age than non-Maori – for example, vaccinating Maori 55 and over at the same time as those 70 and over in the general population.
  
  So my question would be, now that vaccination is open to EVERYBODY 12 years old and over … what’s the excuse now?
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:41am
  - YesMinister
    
    It turns out that paying lip service to Maori, bastardizing and appropriating the language at every turn, paying them to breed, incentivizing them out of education and employment at every turn, and generally being a patronizing bunch of absolute wankers hasn’t actually made Maori any less disenfranchised or more likely to listen to the European establishment, or the Maori mouthpieces thereof.
    
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    October 15, 2021 11:11am
  - Lance
    
    There was some fool this morning blaming low Maori vaccination rates colonialism. No joke, they actually said that.
    
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    October 15, 2021 11:31am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Maori average about 10 years younger than overall NZ population, which for covid corresponds to Maori on average having about 1/3rd the population average risk, ignoring any higher racial susceptibility that polynesians may have.
  
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  October 15, 2021 11:31am
Maggie Pie

No wonder ‘first home buyers’ are finding it so tough.

Imagine trying to get a foot on the ladder of the…. Art Market 😀

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1448728977103851528
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October 15, 2021 9:05am
- Biscuit
  
  £18,582,000?
  
  Good friggin’ grief…
  
  Imagine the from-his-grave wailings from Vincent Van Gogh (second only, in my estimation, to Claude Monet as the greatest artist who ever picked up a paintbrush) that he only managed in his lifetime to sell one of his far-better-than-bloody-Banksy works…
  
  And don’t start me on Emin or Hirst!
  
  ‘Modern’ art is truly excremental…
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Comments say if it had have been burnt, the ashes would have sold for double that price. Money laundering – think Hunter Biden
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:37pm
Biscuit

Coming soon to a Pulpit of Truth near you?:

‘Eliminating Covid was, of course, aspirational. As were our promises for fixing the housing crisis, reducing prices for electricity and supermarket items, building the City to Airport link in Auckland, being an open and transparent government…’
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October 15, 2021 9:09am
BAM

I was having a chat with someone yesterday about why there are so many sex workers moving around in NZ at the moment.

The person who was involved with women’s refugee and similar organisations said, it’s highly likely they’re not sex workers but part of a gang run P distribution network.

Apparently, gangs use sex workers to deliver a lot of their products,
very reliable and no one asks any questions as their job involves going
constantly to strangers houses to provide “services”.

Also, because prostitution is legal that provides another path to clean and legitimise money made off p dealing.

I would be surprised if the government does not know this.
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October 15, 2021 9:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “why there are so many sex workers moving around in NZ at the moment.”
  Wonder if they are secretly being paid to spread the virus to keep the numbers high for lockdown?
  Nothing surprises me with the current clowns
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:35am
- Philview
  
  I know someone who campaigned against legalisation with the view that it was “legalising the exploitation of vulnerable women”. The US Government has since referenced New Zealand as a country that allows slavery with the import of slaves for sex work.
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:56am
- Jack5
  
  A very good post, BAM.
  
  One of the reasons for legalising prostitution in NZ was to decriminalise it.
  
  The fact that gangs have brutally murdered prostitutes suggests you are correct.
  
  The gangs are a danger to New Zealand. First, they take over the sex industry that was decriminalised partly to keep them out.
  
  Now they seem to be moving on political parties of the Left. They even seem to have clout at high levels of the police.
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:19am
- Nickc2
  
  As Cindy rams her fingers in her ears and dances around her office chanting la la la la, all gangs are wonderful . . . . . . and you say the Govt knows this BAM?
  
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  October 15, 2021 11:57am
- kowtow
  
  No way !
  
  Tim Barnett said his Bill would clean all this up and turn the industry into a veritable lily white totally legit business and all would be sweetness and light.
  
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  October 15, 2021 2:32pm
  - BAM
    
    Good one.
    You’ve got no way of knowing if a sex worker is making money from selling p or selling sex.
    
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    October 15, 2021 5:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just remember, those who killed your jobs and businesses will one day be begging for your vote so they can keep their unproductive fully paid jobs
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October 15, 2021 9:33am
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, and without people working, no taxes are paid (so to speak).
  Without taxes, there is nothing but borrowed or printed money to pay the day-to-day bills incurred by Govt. Unfortunately, this wouldn’t be understood by the current Govt as none of them have had real jobs.
  IMO, someone needs to give this Govt a good shake and remind them that even borrowed/printed money has to be paid back unless they are praying for inflation or a worldwide recession to make this borrowed/printed monetary value appear infinitesimal and thus fade into insignificance.
  
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  October 15, 2021 11:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You just made a LOT of leftie heads explode
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:44pm
    - Nickc2
      
      All those down tickers again Steve. It’s to be expected.
      
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      October 15, 2021 3:26pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

Aljaz reporting this morning that Norways ‘Bow & Arrow’ killer…. was a recent convert to Islam 🙁

It will be interesting to see what the outcome of the Police investigation here is, into the lone-wolf from Mt Roskill who shot that poor Duck with a crossbow.

Just saying.
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October 15, 2021 9:47am
- Philview
  
  I suspect in this case the convert was a little crazy before he converted.
  
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  October 15, 2021 9:49am
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126676959/court-asked-to-consider-if-jury-in-peter-ellis-trial-was-misled-after-letter-surfaces-posttrial

Can you say “smoking gun?”
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October 15, 2021 9:55am
krazykiwi

Just received email and text spam from Ministry of Health imploring me to get on and get vaccinated. I’m expecting more and more of this. How long before the brownshirts with straight jackets and needles show up at my door?

Impossible you say. Which is what you would have said had two years ago I claimed that we would be locked in our homes.
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October 15, 2021 9:58am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So get vaccinated you idiot.
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:33am
  - Cinematic
    
    How rude. Why don’t you get vaccinated idiot?
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:50am
    - Ra Henare
      
      This to everyone who rants on about “get the vaccine” stupid/idiot etc etc.
      When did you realise that the fear porn is working and you have thrown principles to the wind and are having your thought processes manipulated by “”the message from on high””.
      
      The save Granny crowd are starting to become annoying.
      Amongst freedom of speech and freedom of choice. Add personal responsibility..
      
      Ie be responsible for your health and get the jab.
      Doing it to be one of in crowd saving their family old people etc etc. is rather twee.
      
      Dont do a Jacinda and want to control everyone else. Look after you and yours.
      
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      October 15, 2021 8:28pm
  - Okahu
    
    Krazy is above your taunts.
    
    Why, with his automatic posting privileges and his guest blogs he is clearly above nearly all of us (except that strange fellow Alwyn).
    
    And apparently he can keep the family in the condition to which they have become accustomed despite being on Kiwiblog all day every day. Now either he has a job that requires nothing of him (MBIE perhaps?), is ripping of some boss (or is not ripping the boss off, ie, is being paid handsomely to be here!) or this coding shtick he professes to is something that just takes a few minutes a day between cherry picking anti vaccine and anti lockdown opinion pieces and doing deep dives into medical literature. Now why would such a man need a vaccine?
    
    And you forget one thing Captain Mainwaring. Krazy takes garlic. Lots of it. How and where I am delighted not to know. Is it swallowed, rubbed, inserted ? Your guess is as good as mine. But when the chips are down and krazy is playing one on one with the virus, his heartbeat will be regular and his eyes steely as he reaches for his little net bag of bulbs and pushing them deep onto the table he quietly says, all in.
    
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    October 15, 2021 11:45am
    - krazykiwi
      
      You’re a funny chap, Okahu. Really, you are. To be fair your obsession with me is a smidge creepy, but nevertheless preferable to that of our resident murderer. Keep up the good work.
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:48pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Ah. So you’ve done my risk assessment for me? Brilliant. Except you know [almost] nothing about me. So who’s the idiot?
    
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    October 15, 2021 11:56am
    - Okahu
      
      Not so Krazy. The good Captain certainly knows you are a man of mystery who guards his privacy. A man of opinion who has self posting rights despite few knowing just who you are. A man of letters and learning given the extraordinary breadth of your professed expertis(es) in fields medical, statistical, immunology, virology, philosophical, poetical and of course, epidemiology! ( Yes you can sing that as a G&S ditty if you so choose, and krazy. You are our ‘Major-General’).
      
      And assuming he needed no reminding Krazy, the good Captain knows you have put your faith in garlic, and being healthy, (that’s a good one, everybody should try it), and sunshine, and eons of evolutionary development of an immune system (which you somehow imagine is just as effective in battling a novel virus in everybody else as you, with your garlic and your sunshine and your biking and your garlic).
      
      So I suppose there is that.
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:20pm
      - CAKE FACE1
        
        You seem to be completely obsessed with Krazy.
        
        I find this obsession is a bit sinister and disturbing, to be honest.
        
        I’m not surprised Krazy uses an anonymous handle – there are a lot of mentally damaged socialists out there…
        
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        October 15, 2021 1:46pm
      - Liberal Cliche
        
        Krazy is indeed more of an expert in all those fields when compared to..
        
        A: a Prime minister
        B: a red haired Mycologist
        C: an appointed health minister with 0 Health related background
        D: a Director of health that is not an expert in 6 of 7 of your proposed “professions” also Bloomfield is only an “expert” in Noncommunicable diseases…AKA doesn’t know jack shit about viruses passed from human to human.
        
        And these are the people you listen to LOL.
        
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        October 15, 2021 3:07pm
  - dcrane
    
    @Captain Mainwaring
    
    You must not want him to get vaccinated. Or you’re an idiot, because insults obviously make a person more resistant.
    
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    October 15, 2021 12:42pm
    - Liberal Cliche
      
      It’s not the insults it’s that they come from the most worst humans in this country, the “my medicine wont work unless you take yours” are the absolute scum of humanity, narcistic, selfish, living in fear of losing their precious materialistic pathetic lives, sold out every human right we had for generations to come.
      
      The bravest generation had bullets fly past their ears as their bowels were exploding from dysentery for those rights, and these fuckers pissed it all away scared of a 99.98% survivable sniffle.
      
      Ad nauseum…
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:09pm
- graham
  
  If it upsets you, report them to NetSafe. From their website:
  
  Bullying and harassment
  
  Report behaviour that causes someone to be upset because of harmful online communications. The behaviour can be a once-off or repeated.
  
  And for those people who would say, oh grow up and don’t be silly – this is simply playing them at their own game. Remember, we live in a country where the Advertising Standards Authority has ruled just a few months ago that an ad which supposedly mispronounced “Rangiora” was disrespectful, caused harm to the language and was likely to offend consumers.
  
  https://www.asa.co.nz//backend/documents/2021/04/13/21061.pdf
  
  And where someone was offended by the repeated mispronunciation of Taranaki in a G.J Gardner Homes ad, considering it “an affront to the mana of Taranaki and all the descendants of Taranaki iwi”. (The irony here is that the complainant starts off by writing, “I watched the G.J Gardner Homes add …”, thereby mangling the English language!)
  
  https://www.asa.co.nz//backend/documents/2020/06/29/20211.pdf
  
  If mispronouncing a placename can be judged to “offend consumers”, then I don’t see why this can’t be judged as harassment.
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:48am
- Inandout
  
  krazy, just like the scam email about getting your car rego (no plate no.) renewed. And some people fall for this?
  
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  October 15, 2021 11:11am
- Benedict Yu
  
  You know that won’t happen. You will face major barriers to participatong in society and will be banned from international travel. But I guess you have taken all that into account.
  
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  October 15, 2021 12:37pm
- Stu2
  
  As an aside I was getting stuff from MoH when I was already booked at the GP.
  
  The GP was out of the starting gate for my cohort before MoH was. I assume they used their own internal booking system, so MoH booking numbers might have been low.
  
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  October 15, 2021 12:52pm
- ISeeRed
  
  I’ve had two phone calls. Or rather, two missed calls and two voicemails. I saved the number under COVID COPS in my contact list.
  
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  October 15, 2021 5:21pm
PeeJay

Random thought for the day. Do we reach 100 cases today or does that happen next week?

Labour are spinning so furiously at the moment that I’m surprised they can walk in a straight line!
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October 15, 2021 10:03am
- rockape
  
  They will have to stop testing soon to keep the numbers down. Watch flue deaths make a comeback.
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:35am
- David Garrett
  
  PJ: since when have they walked in a straight line??
  
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  October 15, 2021 11:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have visions of staggering from the spa pool to the bedroom late on Friday nights
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:52pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Speed wobbles LOL
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:52pm
Yvette

Last week was the worst week for the Government since it came to office in 2017. All four wheels seemed to explode off its Covid-19 response chariot at once.
Rather than her usual confident and assured self, the Prime Minister looked panicked, hesitant, and uncertain and then disappeared off the podium altogether as the week proceeded and the questions became tougher. Worse, she and her Deputy Prime Minister could not even agree publicly on simple questions like toilet arrangements for people holding outdoor barbecues in Auckland.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-now-needs-to-dangle-hope

And this Government, if it can act honestly and transparently with any integrity, is still to spell out two vital truths, as itself brinks implosion, and the covid virus verges on explosion –

1 – all they can offer (even in terms of Treaty ‘protection’) is vaccination, to personally avoid serious illness, hospitalisation (if there is such capacity), ICU (again if there is such capacity) or death (capacity unlimited), and

2 – community immunity is a myth, as shown by women touring Northland, women visiting Blenheim, Aucklanders passing through Wellington, Christchurch and Queenstown to Wanaka, and random truck-drivers being able appear anywhere, reducing the number of vaccinated persons, between you and a carrier, to nil.
So get fucking vaccinated – see 1.

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That is why the Government’s message needs to be even more specific and clear than it has been to date. It certainly needs to constantly reinforce the “don’t hesitate, vaccinate” message, and point out far more loudly that the overwhelming majority of those getting Covid-19 at present or being hospitalised because of it have not been vaccinated. It needs to keep declaring loudly and clearly that people who are vaccinated are most unlikely to contract Covid-19, let alone end up in hospital, or even die from it.

But, above all, it needs to set some specific goals (for some unfathomable reason targets remains a dirty word for the Prime Minister) for when restrictions will be removed, and borders reopened. That will not only incentivise people to speed up vaccination levels but will also hold out the prospect of a tangible reward for doing so. Hope is a powerful motivating emotion, and the Government needs to be more overtly encouraging reasonable hope for the future as the next few weeks unfold.

Until and unless that happens, no matter how much the Government improves its communication act, or what special events are planned, the country’s Covid-19 response will continue to look directionless and aimless, the surest of all breeding grounds for uncertainty and failing public confidence.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-now-needs-to-dangle-hope

However, along with obesity, respiratory and kidney condition, depression and anxiety are among factors that can increase the severity of covid infection.
If you think Jacinda and Hipkins, Robertson and Little, are hopeless, get vaccinated to give yourself some hope.

From General Debate above – Just received email and text spam from Ministry of Health imploring me to get on and get vaccinated. I’m expecting more and more of this. How long before the brownshirts with straight jackets and needles show up at my door?

If you aren’t vaccinated, welcome them in :o)
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October 15, 2021 10:15am
- Fletch
  
  Just received email and text spam from Ministry of Health imploring me to get on and get vaccinated. I’m expecting more and more of this. How long before the brownshirts with straight jackets and needles show up at my door?
  
  Yup, people I know have had letters. texts, emails, phone calls, etc. Even texts promising a free taxi to take you to get vaccinated and back. They are treating it as a literal cure when we know from countries like Portugal, Singapore and Israel that it just isn’t true.
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:27am
  - Batman
    
    Its true that there is no cure for rampant selfishness.
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:09pm
    - Liberal Cliche
      
      Ikr expecting everyone else to take the same meds as you because you believe this will increase your chance of survival.
      
      Very rampant.
      
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      October 15, 2021 1:47pm
Frank the tank

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ahipara-occupiers-vow-to-stay-until-the-tree-and-land-are-protected/XYFMZWYSJXG5SWDLVZAIXR4CPI/

This is what this government has unleashed on this country by their craven, political stunt in South Auckland.

This is no different to Zimbabwe and South Africa.
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October 15, 2021 10:30am
- Batman
  
  People have been ‘occupying’ trees for years and years. Hardly a new thing under the current administration… And hardly a sign that we’ve been reduced to racial conflict as much as you dream of that being true.
  
  “Ancient kauri to stay: Developer | Stuff.co.nz” https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/67258999/ancient-kauri-to-stay-developer
  
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  October 15, 2021 1:07pm
Southern Raider

Keep an eye on published vaccination rates for yesterday and today.

With Super Saturday tomorrow I wouldn’t put it past the PR spinning Labour Party to inform MoH to hold back some of the count just in case they need to “top up” tomorrows results
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October 15, 2021 10:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They would never do such a thing //
  
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  October 15, 2021 1:54pm
Maggie Pie

Just heard 1ZB advertising Sunni Bill William’s new book……
‘What it is to be an All Black’

Honestly, how BORING would that be 🙁

Although to be fair, I know a lot of the girls from tennis have said they’re looking forward to one from Aaron Smith.
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October 15, 2021 10:36am
- Jack5
  
  Maggie, you’re talking about this? The Zero-Mile High Club?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/85015622/full-witness-account-of-aaron-smiths-airport-bathroom-toilet-incident
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did you see where the witness said….”rhythmic tapping noises could be heard coming from the Disabled Toilet cubicle” 🙁
    
    Goodness…..Maybe the girl was wearing her ‘Tap-Shoes’?
    
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    October 15, 2021 2:05pm
- dime
  
  yeah it looks like a great read.
  
  he basically says his wife isnt flash and he doesnt love her, but shes a good muslim and it helped him stay off drugs etc
  
  i bet she feels special lmao
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:56am
- Nickc2
  
  Yes Maggie, Buy the Candice Warner endorsed version if you can. It’s a collector’s item and it’ll be worth squillions when they make the movie.
  
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  October 15, 2021 1:07pm
Liberal Cliche

So “safe and effective” that Pfizer directors would rather run away than answer simple questions about their product…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50kghlaHYvM

I smile as i remember a kiwiblog guest post about “sunlight is the best disinfectant” when talking to anti-vaxxers, well buddy it aint the anti-vaxxers running away, these are the people you put your trust in..hahahahaha.
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October 15, 2021 10:58am
Okahu

Does anybody here remember KDS? It was the syndrome causing spasms of wretched but pathetic outpourings by the left at any appearance or utterance of one John Key.

Yes of course you do! Why, it was fun having a phrase that neatly captured the problem. Key popped up and the deranged loons of the left indicated their syndrome by always having something nasty to say. Hence KDS!

Of course it was nothing at all like the visceral hatred of the Silly Little Girl, the fish and chip girl, the Blairite, the Marxist, Cindy, Jacinta, the Stalinist, the Princess you find expressed daily here. Nothing at all.

Our hatred and contempt is not a syndrome because it is worthy and is just a natural reaction to the filthy lies that she devil spews every time those great horse teeth start flapping.

We are not deranged because our childish name calling is effective at hammering home our message and as everybody can see we are winning the debate. We have seized control of the psyche of these islands and any suggestion we are flailing in a deep well of misogyny such as we now scapegoat all woman as her dumb feckless supporters is obviously way off the mark! Anyway, Maggie Pie gives us cover because that handle sounds like it could be a chick and it certainly hates the nasty tyrannical gusher from the podium of lies.

So anyway. Put yourselves at rest. We don’t have Adern Derangement Syndrome. There might have been very real KDS, we all watched years of that. Fucken funny really. But let’s be clear. There is no such thing as ADS! And none of us have got it, even a little bit.

We don’t get provoked into reaction by her every utterance. We have not descended into puerile name calling. We are conservative. We value institutions and history. We can salute the office (if not the office holder). That’s just how we roll. Dignified. Consistent. Always.
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October 15, 2021 11:10am
- westernScientest
  
  The Left cant meme
  
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  October 15, 2021 1:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have ADS. Cure is given by Jack
  
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  October 15, 2021 1:57pm
- BeaB
  
  Feeling better now?
  
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  October 15, 2021 2:35pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Stunning lack of self awareness from someone who suffers bigly from TDS
  Mind you, my dear friend Okahu probably still thinks Trump colluded with Russia
  Lol
  
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  October 15, 2021 3:51pm
Fletch

GOLDEN.

CNN’s chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta was brave enough to appear on Joe Rogan’s show, where Rogan confronts him with the blatant lying by CNN describing Ivermectin as horse de-wormer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkTXEexNB2E

Our media here in NZ have done the exact same thing, referring to ivermectin as a drug for horses and cows and smearing anyone who talks about it. And they always accompany such stories with a photo of the animal version Ivomec. Totally dishonest. Ivermectin has been given to billions of people worldwide. Like penicillin, it can be effective for both animals and humans and there are versions for both.
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October 15, 2021 11:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Same for HCQ. The left go to the edge of the flat earth, frothing at the mouth
  
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  October 15, 2021 1:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Also the media in NZ have worms and they want to keep them (Worms in the head)
  
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  October 15, 2021 2:00pm
alan

Just watched this from Epoch Times. They seem to have some great info, as in emails on the origins of Covid. Well worth a watch.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/2018-research-proposal-shows-remarkable-similarities-to-pandemic-outbreak-truth-over-news_4049486.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email2&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-10-14-3&est=NUEnCmQQXXqY1v3440sMc747SEHQ3BzB7uOiIpU5nqcBY8lBJpEJgoSbfn%2FcH1aSsr3DYA%3D%3D
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October 15, 2021 11:38am
Fletch

In case you missed what is happening in America – parents are standing up for themselves more and more at school board meetings, questioning the subjects being taught to their kids such as critical race theory, etc. Now the FBI has been mobilized and these parents are being treated as terrorists, despite there having been no violence from them.

Now a father, Scott Smith, has been forcibly arrested and handcuffed for complaining at a meeting about the rape of his daughter in a school bathroom by a so-called “gender-fluid” boy wearing a skirt. (The boy was charged with two counts of forcible sodomy, one count of anal sodomy, and one count of forcible fellatio). The school tried to cover it up. The boy had even been quietly transferred from another school for similar problems.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/school-officials-hushed-up-and-lied-about-his-daughters-rape-now-nsba-wants-to-make-him-a-domestic-terrorist

Committee hearing, Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) questioned Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco about the orders targetting parents legally vocing their opinions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDSygQM6b9o
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October 15, 2021 11:45am
Maggy Wassilieff

Analysis of the 2020 Election

https://theconversation.com/anniversary-of-a-landslide-new-research-reveals-what-really-swung-new-zealands-2020-covid-election-169351

“The Covid” election.. where National voters decided to place their trust in Jacinda Ardern.
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October 15, 2021 11:48am
- krazykiwi
  
  Indeed. The Labour gains in rural districts amazed me. Also Taranaki saying “Hell yes! We’ll have more of you, Jacinda” was flabbergasting.
  
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  October 15, 2021 11:54am
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    There was also a reeferendum that brought out a lot of voters that would not usually have bothered. That probably accounted for a large shift in the rural areas.
    
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    October 15, 2021 1:07pm
Yvette

Ardern aiming for record 100k vaccines on Super Saturday – 1 NEWS
Jacinda Ardern says she’s aiming for 100,000 or more Covid-19 vaccine doses to be administered on Super Saturday.

from kiwiblog –
It will be utterly bizzare if Ardern runs a Vaxathon without a general percentage target, or side-steps that (kicks it down the road) by having instead a target of 100,000 vaccinations on the day of the Vaccination – WATCH (literally) THAT HAPPEN!
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/10/government_adopts_key_and_bishops_idea_to_have_a_vaxathon.html/comment-page-1#comment-3040189page-1#comment-3040189 
Bizarrely, the target Ardern won’t confirm, is readily available almost anywhere elsewhere –
… Modelling confirms that to give us the best chance of managing the impacts of COVID-19 in future, and enable us to safely reconnect internationally, NZ needs to achieve vaccine coverage of at least 90% across all groups … Michelle Wessing (she/her) Te Kaiwhakahaere Matuai, Acting Chief Executive Te Kāhui Whakamana Rua Tekau mā Iwa | Pike River Recovery Agency
111021-Operational-update-for-families-final.pdf – https://www.pikeriverrecovery.govt.nz/documents/document/?ID=1022

The Prime Minister wants to beat the previous record of 93,000 doses in a day.
The same anxious, insecure self-doubt, and desire of exoneration from any mis-step, that prevent Jacinda from confirming 90 percent as aa actual target, will also prevent her from making the Vaxathon goal to have 100,000 Maori vaccinated on the day.
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October 15, 2021 12:01pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Jacinda Ardern says she’s aiming for 100,000 or more Covid-19 vaccine doses to be administered on Super Saturday.
  
  I feels like Ardern is captured by some global leaders’ pissing contest to see how many vax recalcitrant’s can be bludgeoned over the line to improve the country rankings.
  
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  October 15, 2021 2:50pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    I am anxiously awaiting to see if this vaxathon event is just another Labour government failure. Who is doing the counting?
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:37pm
Maggie Pie

Just having a chat to my partner’s mum.
She was saying she remembers the good old days…. when all the boys had to worry was catching a dose of syphilis.
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October 15, 2021 12:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Or crabs
  
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  October 15, 2021 2:02pm
Yvette

Those New Zealanders currently eligible for vaccination is 4.2 million.
The Vaxathon goal (not “target”) is 100,000 vaccinations
That is 2.38 percent of those eligible.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern hopes the mass vaccine day will add a further 100,000 jabs administered to the current 83 per cent of eligible Kiwis to have their first vaccine.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/10/14/written-covid-19-numbers-update-expected-around-1pm/

• If the above 1 News statistic is correct, and the Vaxathon goal is realised, that will leave only 80.62 percent to have their first vaccination.

• Those who have had a first vaccination are probably inclined to get their second vaccination,
so the Vaxathon goal should be for first vaccinations.

• And the real goal should be 100,000 Maori first vaccinations.

• And is it evidence that Jacinda didn’t think of a Vaxathone before John Key, that she has not allowed Leeza Gibbons, although now 64, time enough to clear 2 weeks MIQ, to be able to attend tomorrow’s event?
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October 15, 2021 12:48pm
Stu2

Copied from the contact tracing thread, meant to put this here

There was a very good point made by one of the journalists yesterday – if we have 71 domestic cases in a day why are we putting all returning kiwis in MIQ?

How about:
– rapid test at the border
– positive cases to MIQ (for now)
– everyone else to home isolation (for now)

Even this regime will be over the top when domestic case numbers are a lot higher
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October 15, 2021 1:13pm
Karl B

New South Wales leading the way and showing what can be achieved with a clear plan, targets and delivery. They are implementing quarantine free international travel from 1 November:

“For double vaccinated people around the world, Sydney, New South Wales is open for business, We want people back. We are leading the nation out of the pandemic.”…

“Hotel quarantine, home quarantine is a thing of the past. We are opening Sydney and New South Wales to the world, and that date will come in on November 1st.” – NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet.

Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/covid-blog-nsw-victoria-queensland-lockdown-press-conferences/100540750#live-blog-post-1204821546
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October 15, 2021 1:25pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Real leadership from Gladys and now the new guy.
  
  Whereas Victoria and Western Australia are more akin to the NZ Cindy led omnishambles
  
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  October 15, 2021 1:58pm
- Nickc2
  
  Sanity at last! When will our MSM become less incensed with the number of cases reported each day and concentrate on the daily numbers in hospitals and those who have died as a result of Covid-19?
  Being that recovery rates are between 97% and 99.75% https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-recovery-overview#1-2 this would dispel the fear factor our Govt is currently fostering and relying on to enhance their re-election prospects.
  IMO, by all means, promote innoculations but don’t promote them as a cure-all, because they are not.
  Let’s take a lesson from NSW and bring some sense and adult thinking into this Covid-19 debacle and open up our borders with a mirror image of their regulations. If we don’t, we can kiss our tourist trade and other industries that rely on throughput of people good-bye (possible forever).
  Cindy, your Pixidust’s worn off! Move aside and let the adults take charge.
  
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  October 15, 2021 2:16pm
  - Stu2
    
    What NSW is doing is a first step at 70% double dose, and then this step at 80% double dose.
    
    We were at 62% double dose at the end of Thursday using the flawed MoH population numbers, actually 59.8%. So it will take some time to get to 80%+.
    
    NSW has a vast amount more ICU capacity per capita than we have. So I understand pushing for more than 80% here. Lets see how the ICUs track over the next month.
    
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    October 15, 2021 3:24pm
    - Nickc2
      
      ICUs haven’t been tracked since this Govt’s been in charge AFIK. I believe the Minister of Health has had a four-hour Computer Based Training module developed that provides an acquaintance with ICU Equipment but no operating competency demonstration is required. I’ve also been informed it takes 4-5 years of Managed On-Job-Experience to become an ICU Nurse but that’s not been addressed.
      No doubt there are others on KB who know more about this than me. My knowledge on the subject is limited to a conversation I had with my Post-Opp Nurse on Monday night.
      
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      October 15, 2021 4:44pm
Suze Wainwright

Would Siouxie be one of those academics who encourage their students to constantly challenge the status quo in their search for new knowledge?

I guess it would be relatively straightforward to get a decent grade in her classes
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October 15, 2021 1:30pm
- Taieri
  
  Would Siouxie be one of those academics who encourage their students to constantly challenge the status quo in their search for new knowledge?
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  Only if their challenges are compatible with the principles of Te Tiriti.
  
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  October 15, 2021 5:07pm
Stu2

There is a story in the Herald
“Covid 19 Delta outbreak: Infected person was at large Auckland shopping mall two days ago”

So what
Daily case numbers dwarf this sort of thing
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October 15, 2021 1:36pm
Jason11

My wife is a primary school teacher and will be back in class on Monday. She now needs a negative Covid test 72 hours before returning so will have one today…. BUT… um that’s it, testing done, safe for the staff and children to return!

Surely by Tuesday that test is more than 72 hours old and so is out of date (actually by Monday it’s really out of date), but apparently no more tests are needed ever.

What am I missing???
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October 15, 2021 1:44pm
Yvette

Having recently spent six days in a major hospital (but without one covid case in it) about two months back, and on two of those days overheard a nurse say to another that the hospital was “code red”, and having asked what that was, to be told “Code red is more patients than staff to handle them”, I would respectfully ask unvaccinated readers (that’s still unvaccinated because it just hasn’t seemed necessary) to look at –

Burger Burger founder Mimi Gilmour Buckley shares images of sick daughter in plea for public to get vaccinated
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2021/10/burger-burger-founder-mimi-gilmour-buckley-shares-images-of-sick-daughter-in-plea-for-public-to-get-vaccinated.html

–and then of course, return to kiwiblog.
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October 15, 2021 1:51pm
- Fletch
  
  According to today’s televised press conference, there are 43 cases in hospital and six cases in ICU. And that is what they call hospitals being overrun? Really? If that is what they consider being overrun then we really are in trouble and no amount of vaccination is going to fix it.
  
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  October 15, 2021 4:31pm
Yvette

Timaru tragedy: Mother accused of murdering daughters intends to plead not guilty
… She will remain at Hillmorton Hospital until her next appearance in December. A trial date has been set down for March 2023.

But the Police are not looking for anyone else in relation to these three child killings … are they?
The Newshub article doesn’t say.
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October 15, 2021 1:54pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Probably pleading not guilty due to insanity.
  
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  October 15, 2021 3:19pm
Stu2

Wow – the ACT (Canberra) has hit 98.8% first dose for 12+ year olds
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October 15, 2021 1:58pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes. I lived there for 12 months. The population is highly educated. Like in Science. And Economics.
  There are no mythical Maori monsters. Or anti MRNA conspiracy folk. Of course they are all vaccinated.
  
  Get vaccinated.
  
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  October 15, 2021 7:33pm
Maggie Pie

No wonder the ‘Art Markets’ gone absolutely berserk!

My partner just went out to pay our lawnmower man.
Mr Wu was telling him there’s something like a $100billion of ‘hot-money’ caught up in Chynaa looking for a home.
He was saying his mother-in-law has already purchased 7 houses in Remmers during the last five years.
She’s sooo looking forward to the day when she can get out of Honkers and settle with them here in the 09.
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October 15, 2021 2:20pm
- David Garrett
  
  Ummm…if the lawmower man had a mother in law with seven houses in Remmers, do you think his wife would put up with the loss of face among other Chinese that would flow from him being a mower or other peoples’ lawns?
  
  I think someone is “having a lend of you” Maggie as our cousins across the ditch say
  
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  October 15, 2021 3:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    NO ONE gets ‘a lend’ of me David.
    
    And maybe you just don’t get it about Chinese…..the lawnmowing round is an obvious front.
    Other than say 3 or 4 legit lawns he does for tax purposes, the rest of the time is spent maintaining his MIL’s vacant properties.
    (We’d estimate at 25+ mil today.)
    I think they’re a lot smarter than you give them credit for DG.
    
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    October 15, 2021 3:42pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Maggie: Firstly, I would never ever underestimate either the intelligence or the cunning (not the same thing) of the Chinese…you don’t become a millionaire or billionaire in a totalitarian society without having a healthy slice of both.
      
      But think about what you are saying…how pray is a lawn mowing round going to assist him to launder money? And what would his tax deductions be? At most the depreciation on a few lawnmowers , a trailer and a van, and the cost of repairs to all of same I suppose…dunno, I am not an accountant.
      
      I don’t doubt that there are Chinese in NZ who own seven houses in Remmers (or whatever)…but I very much doubt your lawn mower’s mother in law is one of them.
      
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      October 15, 2021 3:56pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Excuse me for saying so Dave…but honestly, you wouldn’t no sh*t.
        Probably all a bit beyond someone who might be considered ,,,..’a yesterdays man’ 😀
        
        (Upticked you anyway for your shear cheek)
        
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        October 15, 2021 4:58pm
      - graham
        
        Err … Maggie dear … it’s “sheer”.
        
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        October 15, 2021 5:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

59 minutes about Wuhan. TDS people, ask your Mum first. This is calling out Fauci.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh2Sj_QpZOA
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October 15, 2021 2:57pm
Flossie

I watched the Great Kiwi Bakeoff last night. Pretty mediocre show I thought. My main take away from it was that couple of contestants had their tribal affiliations on the screen under their name. The others had just their name. I got the impression one was a doctor but (if I’m right) that wasn’t written under their name. I’m part Maori myself but the obsession with things Maori lately is getting so OTT. One of the tribal bakers was using her “showstopper” cake to emphasize that we’re all the same inside. Kind of ironic.
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October 15, 2021 3:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Another Covid incident. Take a car for WOF. Masks yes, social distancing yes. So I went about 10M away and took off my mask – to breathe.
And here he comes, raving about putting my mask on. As usual I informed him it is illegal for the public to endorse themselves as Covid mask enforcers.
Wow, he went retard, then security came over. I then informed him that if his nose came into hitting distance he would be flowing the claret.
Sad how the socialist control has affected the brain dead.
I complied, he did not and came at me. Security took him away, hopefully to a secure institution.
This Country has fucked with the minds of insecure people. All at VTNZ????
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October 15, 2021 3:17pm
- Nickc2
  
  VTNZ on Sunnybrae Road Glenfield again Steve?
  
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  October 15, 2021 3:21pm
- David Garrett
  
  Steve: Are you saying the VTNZ inspector “came at you”?? Or was it the security guy? Your comment isn’t clear. Either way you are quite right of course. Outrageous behaviour.
  
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  October 15, 2021 4:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not the inspector, just hired hi vis important wanks
    
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    October 15, 2021 4:55pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sorry I am wrong. The fucking wanker that came at me was a sycophant wanker of the Jaspinda brainwashed
      
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      October 15, 2021 4:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It is indeed a shame that people cannot deal with each other in a civil fashion. You can’t have seriously considered violence as an appropriate reaction though, could you?
        
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        October 15, 2021 5:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I would kick his arse until his nose bleeds Mike
        
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        October 16, 2021 8:46am
Maggie Pie

Paywalled on my partner’s phone he left lying on the bed…

‘Extensive investigations by MSD lead to SFO probe into Wage Subsidy abuse’

– NBR

Bet they’d be looking at hundreds-of-millions. Well beyond the capabilities of anyone who takes their lunch to work.
Just saying.
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October 15, 2021 3:26pm
David Garrett

I see Harry Tam’s mouthpiece, Ron Mansfield QC, has written a long long letter to Peters demanding a retraction of Peters’ claims about Tam and the Mob hookers or he will sue Peters for defamation. By God I hope Peters says “Bring it on!”

An essential element of a defamation action – as Mr Mansfield, long time criminal defence barrister can surely recall from Law School, is that one must have a reputation capable of being damaged by the plaintiff’s words, written or spoken.

Tam is a patched member of the Mob, and has been for forty years. He is a convicted wife beater who has had protection orders taken out against him. He has no good reputation to sully. In fact it is quite the opposite: he has the reputation of being a scumbag defender of the indefensible.

If Peters doesn’t call his bluff, it will literally be a case that will end up in the text books.
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October 15, 2021 3:28pm
- Yvette
  
  Legal letter addressing public statements made by Winston Peters
  Uploaded by Laura Walters
  Description: Harry Tam, via his lawyer, has sent Winston Peters a letter calling for a public attraction and apology, or threatening action for alleged defamation.
  
  […]
  10. Equally it appears that Newshub did not care either when it aired your comments without any checks or verification. Certainly, Mr Tam was not contacted to comment or respond. How the broadcaster’s legal advisors permitted such unchecked statements to be broadcast is also of concern.
  
  11. Mr Tam simply wants a retraction and an apology from you in an agreed form. He had hoped, now that you know you were wrong, that you may have done so honourably by now. Sadly, it appears you are content to let this falsehood spread. Your apology should be made publicly by you in person and available to all mainstream media. Mr Tam is entitled to this, just as the community is entitled to know that you had no basis to make these claims and had simply lied when you said that you did.
  
  12. If you do not do so, Mr Tam will bring an action in defamation seeking that the court confirm that these statements had no factual basis and that you had lied when you claimed that they did. The damages he will be entitled to, for the reputational harm you have caused him, will be donated to KidsCan. Mr Tam does not seek any personal financial benefit from your actions which he considers shameful. Being shown to be innocent of your false claims will be sufficient for him.
  
  13. Please confirm that you will make an agreed public statement by no later than by 5:00pm on Tuesday 19 October 2021 to avoid any further action being required. Once you have confirmed this, Mr Tam will work with you to agree suitable wording for your retraction and apology.
  
  14. Mr Tam awaits your response, as requested.
  
  Kind Regards,
  Ron Mansfield QC
  C/. Mr Brian Henry, Barrister of Auckland
  https://www.scribd.com/document/532542059/Legal-letter-addressing-public-statements-made-by-Winston-Peters
  
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  October 15, 2021 4:05pm
- David Garrett
  
  Senior moment sorry chaps: it is of course the defendant’s words which cause damage, not the plaintiff’s.
  
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  October 15, 2021 4:30pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Prosecuted or defended many defamation cases have you, David?
    
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    October 15, 2021 5:34pm
    - fernglas
      
      Obviously he has not. The plaintiff’s reputation is relevant to damages, not to whether he has been defamed or not. Otherwise, liars like Peters could say whatever they liked about someone with a bad reputation without any fear of being held liable.
      
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      October 15, 2021 6:14pm
Yvette

… on Breakfast, ACT leader David Seymour said he was not surprised Swarbrick was confused about what New Zealand’s Covid-19 response is now, adding that a lot of people felt the same way.
…”Now two things have basically gone wrong,” he said.
“Number one, Delta changed the game. MIQ just couldn’t keep Delta or Covid out of New Zealand forever, and even if we did achieve zero cases we were going to be facing another outbreak sooner or later.
“The second thing is, and I say this very carefully – I’m a big proponent of vaccination, it’s incredibly important people get vaccinated in order that we don’t all end up in ICU and that’s the fact – but vaccination has not delivered the population immunity, the herd immunity that some of us might have hoped.
“Now we have a situation where Delta is out in the community, we’re not going to get to herd immunity the way we’d hoped and the problem is that the Government hadn’t thought about what it would do in this scenario. They’ve made absolutely no preparations to actually fight Covid at home until there actually was an outbreak.”
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/10/14/chloe-swarbrick-not-clear-on-nzs-current-covid-strategy/ 4 hours ago

Middlemore Hospital is planning to set up a tent to triage COVID patients as early as next week, as Auckland braces for a surge in cases.
Daily cases numbers in the city are expected to double within a fortnight, hitting three figures, with the government saying the outbreak was escalating faster than it anticipated.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/10/middlemore-hospital-covid-19-patients-to-be-triaged-in-tent-as-auckland-braces-for-surge.html 1 hour ago
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October 15, 2021 3:51pm
- MCos
  
  It’s painfully obvious that the citizenry of NZ were never going to take vaccination particularly seriously until there was a delta outbreak in our midst.
  
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  October 15, 2021 6:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The future has come forward – let’s embrace it.”
– Ashley Bloomfield.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/covid-19/covid-19-delta-outbreak-65-new-community-cases-today/

I’m sure this phrase means something, but I haven’t managed to decipher it.
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October 15, 2021 4:08pm
- Ohm my
  
  I’d interpret that as ?”the proverbial will be hitting the fan, buckle up we better get used to it”.
  
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  October 15, 2021 4:25pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Ohm: If that is what he meant it’s an extremely odd way of saying…who “embraces” possible disaster, whether personal or general??
    
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    October 15, 2021 5:42pm
    - Cinematic
      
      Precisely my thoughts. Let’s all ‘embrace’ over loaded hospitals and excess deaths. Awesome.
      
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      October 15, 2021 5:55pm
- dave_c_
  
  I think he is referring to ‘The New World Order’s plans are close to fruition” – so stop the bitching and succumb to the way things will operate going forward. He, and they believe that they cannot be stopped now, and have no qualms about saying so.
  
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  October 15, 2021 5:29pm
David Garrett

God I hope Peters doesn’t apologize!

If Tam was to sue, Brian Henry would have an absolute field day with Tam in cross examination. Section 30 of our Defamation Act provides as follows:

“In any proceeding for defamation the defendant [Peters] may prove, in mitigation of damages, specific instances of misconduct by the plaintiff [Tam] in order to establish that the plaintiff is a person whose reputation is generally bad…”

As has been well publicized, Tam is a convicted wife beater, and a person against whom protection orders have been made (IIRC orders sought by his ex wife). He has been removed from government appointments because of his history of abuse of women.

In his 40 years as a patched member of the Mob, there will be literally dozens of occasions in which he has acted disreputably or even appallingly…evidence regarding all of those events would be admissible, since defamation actions are all about reputation

It gets worse for Tam: it is well established that what the court will consider is the plaintiff’s actual reputation, not whether he deserves the reputation he has. By that test, Tam cannot possibly establish that he is widely regarded as a fine upstanding member of the community.

IMO even if he were to succeed – i.e. because Peters had, as is his wont made allegations without checking them out – Tam runs the risk of getting only nominal damages. In ancient English cases, successful plaintiffs have on occasion been awarded damages of a farthing – today’s equivalent would perhaps be 50 cents.

I must go out for popcorn…
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October 15, 2021 4:25pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Right on, David.
  
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  October 15, 2021 4:59pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Just heard HDPA raising the question….
    
    “Where would somebody like a Mongrel Mob Member get the money to hire a top QC?”
    
    Answered it herself….”Oh that’s right. Us”
    
    LOL!!
    
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    October 15, 2021 5:33pm
    - fernglas
      
      The successful party in defamation cases has traditionally been awarded full costs regardless of the amount of damages, which would cover legal fees. As David Garrett points out, Tam has little or no good reputation, but as he is planning on giving away any damages, it probably won’t matter.
      
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      October 15, 2021 6:19pm
- Steve Todd
  
  You left out the final few words of that sentence, David, being, “[…] in the aspect to which the proceedings relate.”
  
  So, what is the aspect to which the proceedings relate? Wouldn’t the answer be, misusing his essential work permit to “smuggle” two women into Northland?
  
  If Tam proves he did not do that; that he had nothing to do with the episode, then he has been defamed, regardless of what his actual reputation might be. The other matters you mention, membership of the Mob, convicted wife-beater, are surely irrelevant, meaning he could not be cross-examined on them.
  
  Otherwise, you’re saying that it is not possible for someone like Harry Tam to be defamed, which surely can’t be true.
  
  I have no idea how this will play out, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Peters apologises.
  
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  October 15, 2021 5:51pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Steve: Ah, No…I suggest you read my comments again.
    
    But to spell it out, 1) Tam has a reputation as a scumbag gang leader, not as a good person; 2) It is quite possible, as I have said, (and knowing Peters’ propensity for making ill founded accusations) that Tam didn’t in fact help the Mob whores through the border; which means 3) Yes, saying that he did, is on the face of it defamatory; but 4) Since he has no good reputation capable of being damaged by a defamatory statement, at best he would be entitled to nominal damages…all of this of course IMHO
    
    I hope that clarifies what I have said.
    
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    October 15, 2021 6:03pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Thanks, David.
      
      Yep, I understood all that, which is why I said “regardless of what his actual reputation might be.”
      
      Obviously, I am putting up a purely layman’s view, but, clearly, we all have a reputation, whether it be good, bad, or indifferent. I’m simply saying Harry Tam has a reputation, too, which can be damaged by lies, etc., “[…] in the aspect to which the proceedings relate.”
      
      In other words, it must surely be possible for a bad reputation to be further damaged.
      
      Like you, I, too, look forward to the outcome of this matter.
      
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      October 15, 2021 6:39pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I seem to recall Helen Clark having to settle a lawsuit from a man she called a murderer, when he had only been convicted of manslaughter.
    
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    October 15, 2021 6:04pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Correct. That case is in the law books too…can’t remember the scumbag’s name off the topic of my head…a Dally IIRC
      
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      October 15, 2021 9:40pm
      - David Garrett
        
        FUCK! Off the TOP of my head…some name with -ic or -ich at the end…
        
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        October 15, 2021 9:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yelash
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-sued-for-defamation/44PMTCWEU5IKCXEVYPKIDXZFPI/
        
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        October 15, 2021 9:54pm
WaveyDavey

Remember when I said the govt response would be National’s fault?

https://twitter.com/Donna_Chisholm/status/1448526720814829569?s=20

Labour, the party that can do no wrong
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October 15, 2021 4:43pm
- surfing
  
  Who is Donna Chisholm?
  
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  October 15, 2021 5:27pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Probably the best print journalist in New Zealand
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Chisholm
    
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    October 15, 2021 5:41pm
  - Inandout
    
    surf, searched and found such person.
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/author/donna-chisholm/
    
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    October 15, 2021 5:47pm
dave_c_

I knew it, I knew it.
World press now realise, and are shouting it from the roof tops, that Ardern’s veneer is cracking, and that she has taken New Zealand down a dead end road, that can only end one way!

Prime Minister : “Panic on your part will not become panic on my part.” Your on your own now.

Don’t expect people who have lost all respect for you and your cohorts, to do anything else you ask/demand.
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October 15, 2021 5:15pm
- MCos
  
  “World press now realise, and are shouting it from the roof tops”
  Which world press would that be?
  Could possibly be the UK press where almost 40,000 cases are diagnosed each day. That would be 3000 here.
  Or the US where there’s an average 1800 deaths each day. That’s equivalent to 30 here.
  
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  October 15, 2021 6:12pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Was that cases within 28 days of a positive PCR test when your car was hit by a train at a level crossing? Those statistics make such juicy headlines!
    
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    October 15, 2021 10:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

oh Lordie..

Our Dear PM has just told us that the Covid-19 case numbers are “beyond what we have expected”

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/covid-19/covid-19-delta-outbreak-65-new-community-cases-today/

Now is that the Royal we… or is she referring to her $6M modellers and their advice?

Somebody hasn’t been paying attention to how the virus spreads….. strange really… it’s not as if the rest of the world hasn’t noticed.
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October 15, 2021 5:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It is indeed a shame that the government has not paid attention to all the advice offered on Kiwiblog every day for the last 18 months.
  
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  October 15, 2021 6:05pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Ah Milky, you are a card sir, and no mistake. Very droll.
    
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    October 15, 2021 6:59pm
- fernglas
  
  If those numbers are beyond their expectations, then they have had their heads buried deep in the sand for the last 18 months, a suggestion which is supported by their abysmal lack of action and preparation on the vacccine and ICU fronts.
  
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  October 15, 2021 6:36pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy” Have we got a bit of dissension in the camp here?? IIRC yesterday Bloomfield’s stern faced female deputy said the case numbers were “concerning but not unexpected” (or words to that effect) did she not??
  
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  October 15, 2021 6:43pm
Cinematic

Ahhh as I enjoy a nice cold lager in the warm spring sun I find myself happily reflecting on the celebrity demise of Wiles, Baker et al.

Their feeble protestations in todays msm, at the change in direction of this equally feeble government are a pleasure to behold.

They won’t go gracefully but go back to anonymity they will. NZ will be better for it.
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October 15, 2021 5:47pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I don’t share your confidence that missing the mark will send them back to anonymity. Consider Neil Ferguson, the Imperial modler to end all modelers.
  
  His 2002 models predicting 50,000 people would die from Mad Cow disease when there were actually 177 deaths; his 2005 predictions of 150 million potentially killed by Bird Flu when by 2009, 282 had actually died from it.
  
  So monumental failures that even when added to sneaking around behind his own lockdown restrictions to screw his married mistress was not enough to get his flawed prognostications of the front of Number 10’s briefing papers.
  
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  October 15, 2021 7:10pm
  - fernglas
    
    And worse, the recent UK parliamentary report into the Covid response used Ferguson’s figures to support the suggestion that the death toll there would have been halved had they locked down earlier. That’s the good thing with following the science; there is so much of it and so varied that you can pick whatever suits your prejudices.
    
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    October 15, 2021 7:24pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Fuller list – predicted v actual
    
    2001 foot & mouth – 150,000 v <200
    2002 mad cow – 50,000 v 177
    2005 bird flu – 150,000,000 v 282
    2009 swine flu – 65,000 v 457
    2020 Covid 19 – 500,000 v 135,000
    
    0 for 5 – doing well
    
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    October 15, 2021 9:03pm
Benedict Yu

Softening up effort.

https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2021/the-whole-truth-covid-19-vaccine/#/1204800023/kids-and-the-covid-19-vaccine

5 – 11 year olds will be approved for vaccination in New Zealand in early 2022.

If your kids are not vaccinated they will be roped off at school wearing masks.
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October 15, 2021 7:15pm
- Cinematic
  
  In your dreams.
  
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  October 15, 2021 7:23pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Some might applaud this.
  
  But not me. It is tyrannical bio-apartheid writ large.
  
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  October 15, 2021 7:27pm
- fernglas
  
  I have yet to see a logical reason for vaccinating little kids. It’s not to save them; they don’t as a rule get ill. Apparently transmission is largely from adults to kids, not the other way round, so it can’t be that. It can only be to reduce the number of people who can pass on the virus to the unvaccinated, and even if vaccination has that effect, to me, the unvaccinated can go to hell if they think children should get a vaccine so they don’t have to.
  
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  October 15, 2021 7:27pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Little kiddies can easily pass on Covid-19 to adults in their family
    
    Association of Age and Pediatric Household Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Infection
    
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2783022?guestAccessKey=52a9e0cf-bc64-4ec0-a945-49fd1373950f&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=081621
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:03pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Yeah?
      
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      October 16, 2021 4:46pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    I disagree. I think that the unvaccinated would be the last people to think that children should get vaccinated.
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:08pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Then they won’t be going to the zoo/school. End of story. Probably a blessing the way the education system is going.
  
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  October 15, 2021 10:40pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

I see where some people are saying….’now that Hazza has made the first move, Winnie will be able to get discovery of the ‘essential workers letter’ to see if Tam’s name is on it – eventho he may not of crossed the 09 border’.

The thot thiccens 😀
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October 15, 2021 7:29pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: Umm…you are behind the play dear. It is common ground that Tam is an “essential worker” – or more accurately that he is declared to be one – the issue is whether he used that status to assist a couple of Mob whores to cross the border with bogie papers (there is no suggestion that THEY were also “essential workers”)
  
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  October 15, 2021 8:02pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Maggie: Looking at your comment again I think I may have misunderstood what you are saying…are you saying this document which Peters would get in discovery is the whores’ false document which may bear Tam’s name on it as endorsing them? I doubt he’s that silly…unless he’s lied to his lawyer, and that happens
    
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    October 15, 2021 8:38pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Not sure what I’m saying to be honest DG.
      I just copied it off Facebook.
      
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      October 15, 2021 8:45pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Oh dear…Facebook…I have clearly assumed you had more intelligence than you do…
        
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        October 15, 2021 9:10pm
Maggie Pie

Just got a txt from Ma…..she’s fuming!

Said the last few weeks she’d been listening to ZB’s Marcus Lush coping a ‘fair old pounding’ from the ‘anti-vaxx brigade’.

Then last night, he changes tack, opens the show with…. “I’ll only take calls from people who drive early model Double-cab Utes”.

Tonite he says….”It’s for kids only”

Reckons she’ll have to buy an AM radio tomorrow and check out MagicTalk again.
LOL!
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October 15, 2021 8:42pm
Liberal Cliche

Uh oh new media psyop just dropped.. google “worst cold ever” click news tab…

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/gps-urge-people-to-stay-home-as-complaints-of-e2-80-98worst-cold-ever-e2-80-99-surge/ar-AAPvEyk

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/super-cold-covid-or-flu-super-cold-symptoms-and-difference-of-uk-s-worst-cold-ever-to-covid-explained/ar-AAPtO6y

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/16417967/10-cold-and-flu-myths-busted/

https://www.lep.co.uk/health/worst-cold-ever-spreading-across-lancashire-director-of-public-health-says-stay-at-home-if-you-can-3419082?itm_source=parsely-api
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