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mikenmildagain

Happy World Standards Day!
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October 14, 2021 8:00am
- Justitia
  
  But the Left have no standards milky, so how is this relevant?
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:10am
  - Phronesis
    
    Of course the left have standards. They have double standards everywhere.
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:54am
- Ed Snack
  
  Miserable lot aren’t we all, downticking Mikey’s little “world day” announcements every time.
  
  I think that this is a public service deserving of praise (if fairly faint praise, but that’s by the by). How else would we know, just in case we actually want to care ?
  
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  October 14, 2021 11:05am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The downtickers just fail to appreciate the vital importance to the world of bodies such as the International Organization for Standardization.
    
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    October 14, 2021 1:16pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      And the even more important international organisation for the standardisation of standardisation !
      
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      October 14, 2021 1:45pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Then again, you may just piss off those who downtick? Think outside your ‘bubble’ Mike
      
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      October 14, 2021 3:28pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  When are we Going to Have
  HAPPY WORLD WHITE MALE FREE DAY
  
  That is when all the Dreaded white males TAKE
  A HOLIDAY and LAUGH
  
  ALL THE NEO MARXIST BS ARTISTS
  
  are not allowed to use ANY TECH created by WHITE MALES
  
  NO BOG ROLL
  NO FLUSHING TOILETS
  NO CARS
  NO ELECTRICITY
  NO INTERNET
  
  Go build yourselves a mud hut and sit
  on you lazy marxist a hole and wipe
  your communist back sides with
  LEAVES
  
  WHITE MALE FREE DAY
  
  PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH
  
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  October 15, 2021 7:42am
Diogenes

I really need some help. Like many people probably, I am confused by the various claims on both sides of the fence regarding the nature of the Covid viruses and the vaccines and other treatments being used. Experts can be found on both sides, and it is almost impossible for a person such as myself, who has no medical training, to evaluate which statements are accurate. All claim the truth to be on their side, but detail is often sadly lacking, especially detail that can be assessed by an ordinary intelligent person.
So I would greatly appreciate it if someone with understanding could kindly evaluate an article to which I append the link below. It is an extremely in-depth analysis of the virus, the various medical treatments being used, and allied topics. The basic pdf document contains 14 pages, followed by another 17 pages of references, so this is no lightweight essay.
The author goes by the nom-de-plume Spartacus, and sometimes airs very strong opinions, which could well lead many to write him/her off as another rabid antivaxxer without closely examining what is put forward. Which would be a shame, as regardless, he or she appears to have very elaborate knowledge of the issues, and canvasses them in great detail. The author’s conclusions run very counter to the narrative we see daily in the MSM.
But here’s the rub: is the analysis accurate? If so, this should have wide promulgation, but it needs someone who can summarise the detail in a bit more plain language. If not accurate, it needs to be pilloried for spreading false information. BY, I have greatly appreciated the postings you have made on KB. Is this something you would be willing to look at? Or anyone… please!
Here’s the link: Covid19 – The Spartacus Letter
https://mega.nz/file/HZNmyRKB#xF15FrsAEZkwBPi4tdUP5toBBqeRHDJJAHzZt6Hg_Qg
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October 14, 2021 8:01am
- Simon
  
  Its easy to read those who were right from the start. If someone said, Expert, that the ro vaxx was 95% efficient consider them cretins. Herd immunity through the vaxx consider them morons. There are plenty of people who said this was garbage. Read those who have been right all along. Check the data yourself.
  
  The narrative has changed to the vaxx keeps you out of hospital. The IFR is increasing for both unvaxxed and vaxxed compared to before mass vaccinations. This can be checked. The vaccines are a massive public health failing.
  
  The vaxxs are unsafe. Sweden etc have dropped the vaxx, Moderna, for under 30 yrs old.
  
  Then there are public health “experts” who are obese. etc etc.
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:46am
  - Sacha
    
    There is also the experience of past viral epidemics and the effects of poorly developed vaccines. It is known that a vaccine which stimulates incomplete immunity leaves a gap for the virus to enter once again, thus adapting for survival. And every subsequent ‘booster’ has a short effect than the one before.
    There is a sound argument for allowing a virus to run through the community, run its course, and to let those who have a good immune response deal with it, while taking care of the ones who become ill.
    As it is, we have a nation panicked in to demonising anyone who declines to be vaccinated, with people being vilified for deviating from mob-think.(ZB hosts are great at encouraging this: witness Tim B’s haranguing of Sandra Gaudie this morning)
    We are beginning the epidemic now (if the PCR tests are accurate), that the government tried to avoid by shutting borders. Like it or not, there is community transmission. Just now, the ‘news’ has threatened those who have not been vaccinated with probable serious illness, admission to hospital and being ‘very likely’ to end up on a ventilator.
    And all the while the Medsafe site claims that Ivermectin has no proven effect in the treatment of covid19! Which leads us to wonder why . . . . .
    
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    October 14, 2021 10:08am
- rockape
  
  Go and talk to your GP advice from non medical people isn’t worth much. But I do know a good house painter you could employ to fix your car!
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:02am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    This. Please, Diogenes, please do not base your medical decisions on the comments of random strangers on the Internet.
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:23am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Agreed, but in fairness if you gave that Spartacus document to your average GP their eyes would glaze over by the second paragraph, and they’d ask you to take two aspirins and seen them again in the morning.
      
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      October 14, 2021 4:03pm
  - westernScientest
    
    Paint your own house,
    
    Fix your own car,
    
    Make your own decisions.
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:36am
  - Anthony Coates
    
    For mine, the fall of the polymath is a huge blow to Western society. Narrow specialisation is fine for advancing esoteric science, but we need genuine wisdom to guide public policy. Asking a virologist how to deal with a pandemic is like asking a climate change activist how to run an economy. “When all you have is a hammer…”
    
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    October 14, 2021 10:07am
- Tony
  
  Here is some useful information that covers the critical areas:
  
  First, the impact that Covid can have:
  https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-long-haulers-long-term-effects-of-covid19
  
  Secondly, the effectiveness of the vaccine:
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-and-protection#:~:text=The clinical trials performed on,effective after only one dose.
  
  Thirdly, common side-effects from the vaccine, and how often they occur.
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-and-reactions
  
  For me personally, I consider deciding to get the vaccine a matter of balancing risks. If I didn’t think there was much risk from Covid and that the vaccine was unsafe and ineffective I wouldn’t bother with it.
  
  But as can be seen from the links, the side effects from Covid can be very nasty, the vaccine is better than nothing, and it is relatively safe.
  
  So, an easy choice for me.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:45am
  - Aquataur
    
    Given how shambolic the MoH has been from Day 1, why would you believe anything they say ?
    
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    October 14, 2021 3:21pm
    - Tony
      
      Do you have any better numbers on the results for NZ? If so, please share.
      
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      October 14, 2021 3:52pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  It is extraordinarily difficult to know the truth on matters relating to Covid or any modern day issue. Once we deemed truth as expendable and able to be whatever you wished it to be our whole culture and even our civilisation became at huge risk. We are on a steady course to oblivion.
  
  You need to assess the writers motives. People write from their perspective – liberal/conservative, left/right, religious/not religious etc. Read lots of different views, cross check where possible, but ultimately you have to form your own view, what your conscience dictates.
  
  A quick skim read suggests there are elements of truth in what Spartacus has compiled and there are helpful references. Some conclusions are pretty extreme and would be difficult to support. But, sorry mate, it is up to you. Everyone has their own truth today and has the opportunity to broadcast it far and wide.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:47am
- David Garrett
  
  Diogenes: Well said Sir/Madam.
  
  I have tried to confine my reading on the virus to those “experts” who really should know: the virologists and epidemiologists – not just those with some sort of scientific training.
  
  Even if you do that, I find that for every expert who says we are only a couple of steps away from 1918, there is another equally qualified one who says “it’s just another flu”, or even that, if you are otherwise healthy, it’s no more than a cold.
  
  Like you, I am well educated, but have only slightly more (I think) than an ordinary person’s knowledge understanding of medicine and medical science, that extra understanding largely due to my hypochondriac mother. It is indeed all very confusing. I will read the linked article with interest, but very much doubt if I will be able to add anything much to the debate as a result. Confusion reigns.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  That attempted to download an article about Thomas Renz, Attorney. I already have it archived.
  He’s sound.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:53am
- kowtow
  
  If the MSM are pushing something , that’s your first red flag.
  
  For so many reasons.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:11am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  It may be to late.
  
  The government either has no idea or is lieing to us.
  
  How can you tell, “the only truth is the truth we tell you”, “we are the one source of truth”
  
  There is no open discussion happening, anything that does not fit their narrative is shut down.
  
  The truth constantly changes, no mask, mask, no mask etc.
  
  I believe that the government got it wrong right from the start, 80,000 WIlL die.
  
  The vacine will be 95% effective. What is it really.
  
  At 70% vaccination we will have herd immunity and you will be safe, what is it now 90%, 95%, 100%
  
  The covid vaccination will be like the measels vaccination, you won’t get it and you will be safe. Now you will get it but you will get less sick. Mask up, social distance, lock down,
  
  At this stage the wheels start to fall off, because the vaccinated can still transfer the virus, a so called imperfect vacine, the virus now transfers more easily and is hotter, more deadly, especially for the unvaccinated.
  
  If you want to make a virus more deadly, lockdown.
  
  If you want to make a virus more transmissable, mass vaccinate with an imperfect vaccine.
  
  The government can never ever accept that it got it wrong. They will double down on the stupid.
  
  As I said it is probably already to late.
  
  Welcome to covid tyranny, from an authoritarian power hungry out of control government.
  
  Good luck.
  
  On the bright side the rest of the world is opening up, if we are allowed to leave. You may not be able to come back.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:43am
  - mawm
    
    The government (Ministry of Truth) knows that vaccinated people can get Covid, they know that vaccinated people can spread the virus (probably the same viral load), the narrative of vaccinated people not getting as sick is falling apart unless one believes that a vaccinated death is less serious than an unvaccinated death ….. and yet they are pushing full steam ahead to make life extremely uncomfortable for the unvaccinated. This makes me extremely uncomfortable about their motives, along with their blocking all forms of early treatment which may help.
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:48am
- John Pakes
  
  Never trust the opinion of an “expert” if that “expert” is writing under a nom-de-plume.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:45am
- Ed Snack
  
  There’s a hell of a lot to unpack in that document. I would need a lot of time to follow up references to make a really informed comment.
  
  But briefly, the views put forward on the nature of the virus and its actual impact on the body seem well informed and likely at least broadly correct. The contention is that Covid primarily attacks the circulatory system via the ACE2 receptor is in my admitttedly (at that detail level at best partially informed) opinion probably correct. The pneumonia symptoms that characterise the disease for many is a by product of the attack on that system. The evidence given also appears to fit well with papers I have read on Covid.
  
  The views on treatment are as a result probably essentially right and fit with known efficacious treatment regimes. Anti-oxidant treatment being a key, and also the view that anti-viral treatments are nearly useless in seriously ill patients because by that stage you are dealing with a person with limited viral presence but very serious issues with immune cascades, organ damage, and an inability to transport oxygen due to damage to blood cells and receptors. Many anti-viral “trials” made this mistake by testing with seriously ill patients, notably the first HCQ trial and also a later Ivermectin trial. Those drugs were never claimed to be useful with seriously ill patients who primarily need intensive medical treatment to deal with the problems resulting from the infection, the virus is no longer the issue.
  
  The article also seems correct about the origins of the virus, in my opinion (FWIW) there is no longer any serious doubt at all that the virus is the result of gain of function research funded by (mostly) the US via Fauci and Dazseck carried out in the Wuhan lab. The escape was most likely accidental but may have been deliberately exploited once out.
  
  However I do find the conspiratorial aspects an issue, there is far too much speculation on motives which badly detracts from the impact.
  
  The section on the vaccines is troubling. I can follow the reasoning but unless there is considerably more vaccine mediated injuries out there, even in NZ than we know about, it is overblown. The vaccines are potentially troublesome, yes, they have caused injuries far in excess of any previous widely distributed vaccines (that haven’t been withdrawn), but if they were quite as bad as portrayed we *should* be seeing more adverse reactions. Although possible, I find it unlikely that in NZ a significant number of serious vaccine injuries could be concealed for any length of time. I do think the number is under-reported, but outright suppression would be tricky, I think people would hear through informal networks and the information would spread.
  
  Summary, very interesting and just IMHO worth it for the analysis of the disease and how it affects the body. As a result, solid on its recommended treatment protocols and how to handle severe Covid infections. Solid on the origins. But over conspiratorial on motives and the underlying responses. Is also demonstrably incorrect on certain points, for examples claims that India has eliminated Covid through using prophylactic treatments. That is wrong although several States in India make that claim (and my be correct), India as a whole certainly still has Covid cases, especially in those states who do NOT treat prophylactically but are relying on vaccination.
  
  I believe that in general, the poor medical response to Covid can largely be blamed on initial incompetence and rigid thinking and that this continues today. As a result, the whole response has been markedly suboptimal. It is however depressing to think that the author(s) *may* be onto something with their conspiracy theorising, that is if incompetence and medical hubris isn’t the whole story. Just as an example, why have medical authorities been so determined to shut down anti-oxidant therapies and treatments like Ivermectin, yet pushed so hard on experimental and proven useless treatments like Remdesvir, and the current announcement of Pharmac buying quantities of Molnupiravir before approval without apparently considering the serious safety concerns with that class of drugs ? Doubling down on stupid maybe the explanation, but it does leave the feeling, is that all it is ?
  
  I am now going to try to read further into this, sigh, I may be some time…
  
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  October 14, 2021 11:50am
  - krazykiwi
    
    That’s a very helpful analysis, Ed. Thanks.
    
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    October 14, 2021 3:36pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Wow. That’s quite a document. It makes most published scientific papers read like bedtime stories. I’m going to print and read a few times. Thanks for sharing, Diogenes. FWIW, I think @Ed Snack has done a great job broadly analysing the text.
  
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  October 14, 2021 3:57pm
  - Diogenes
    
    I also thank you @Ed Snack for providing a very helpful and thoughtful comment. I guess like so much in this area, there is unhelpful mixed in with the good. It’s a shame the unhelpful then makes it easy for the good to be discounted.
    
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    October 14, 2021 5:01pm
- RdM
  
  Mega briefly flicked on it but switched to a register page, which I didn’t feel like doing to download.
  
  However, a few days ago I was reminded of this, which may be the same document (with a commentary at the top disavowing authorship) – is it?
  
  http://mileswmathis.com/spart.pdf
  
  My impression is that by and large the biochemical sections may be correct, but that it may be going a bit (or way!) over the top in the Transhumanism section toward the end.
  
  Also, I think Japan discovered metallic contamination, presumed accidental, not graphene oxide as implied by the previous sentence in that section.
  
  So is that the document, or is there another link to it?
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:55pm
mikenmildagain

Also, Justin Hayward is 75 today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmPFrkuPq0&ab_channel=TheMoodyBluesVEVO
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October 14, 2021 8:02am
- PhilBest
  
  I remember reading a story decades ago about a major music festival somewhere that suffered a power outage. The Moody Blues were the only performers present who just jammed accoustically for the benefit of anyone who could get close enough, until the power came back on.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:00am
PhilBest

29 scientific studies on Covid-19 natural immunity:

https://brownstone.org/articles/natural-immunity-and-covid-19-twenty-nine-scientific-studies-to-share-with-employers-health-officials-and-politicians/
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October 14, 2021 8:05am
- ClanMcleod
  
  4 downvotes. Somebody got the vaccine and didn’t trust their immune system – inconvenient truths seem to be a big issue these days.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:52am
- krazykiwi
  
  I posted this a couple of days back. I’ve read 10 of the studies, and then stopped because they all say pretty much the same thing: naturally acquired immunity is very, very good.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:03am
- Ed Snack
  
  Indeed, as a mostly informative post, the number of downvotes seems strange. Batman, is that you ?
  
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  October 14, 2021 11:53am
Vory v zakone

THIS WEEK’S MILITARY NEWS

_A joint exercise of the Air Defense of the Iranian Army and the IRGC called Ski Defenders, started Wednesday
_ India-China troop deployments in the disputed border region have reached their highest level in decades
_Chinese Mainland warns U.S., Taiwan over military contacts. The Chinese mainland firmly opposes any form of military contact between the United States and Taiwan
_Pakistan-India border tensions in the Kashmir region:
_Monday, Kurdish forces attacked a Turkish military convoy, killing two Turkish soldiers and wounding four soldiers in northern Syria.
_Quad nations of India, US, Australia and Japan will conduct second phase of Malabar naval exercise in Bay of Bengal from Oct. 12 to 15. US will deploy aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70).
_Turkey/Syria Heavy attacks on Turkish soldiers with ATGMs by YPG near the Syrian town of Marea. At least one Turkish soldier was killed and another one was seriously wounded.
_Turkey/Azerbaycan/Iran -Turkey is moving military equipment to the border with Iran
In response to large-scale military exercises by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps on the border with Azerbaijan
_Thousands of American military DEFY vaccination mandates and orders as the deadline approaches
_U S. Nuclear Sub had collision with unknown object in the South China Sea.
_CHINA gives warning to U.S. to withdraw troops in Taiwan
_And SUPERMAN COMES OUT AS BISEXUAL IN NEW UPCOMING COMIC.. ?
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October 14, 2021 8:05am
Maggie Pie

BORED DURING LOCKDOWN? GRAB THE CRAYONS.

It’s….. CINDY KINDY!! 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/NzStew/status/1448136869263249411

(FULL SCREEN. SOUND UP)
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October 14, 2021 8:05am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Flipping heck Maggie, you’ve fair put me off my breakfast 😉
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:08am
- mandk
  
  Crikey!
  
  That’s almost as cringe-worthy as that Kamala Harris set piece with hired kid actors.
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:10am
- krazykiwi
  
  I saw this on FB yesterday.
  
  It is such a nauseating display.
  
  She’s attempting to play caring mum to children who she has locked in their homes, driven from playgrounds and forced to stay away from their friends.
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:16am
  - sooty
    
    Just as well the sound was off!
    It saved my brekkie from landing on my toes!
    
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    October 14, 2021 8:22am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Actually KK, kids are ignoring the lock down. parks have kids roaming around, my lads are off with their mates roaming about. Bubbles dont matter to them…
    
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    October 14, 2021 8:26am
    - krazykiwi
      
      That’s good news!
      
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      October 14, 2021 8:37am
    - PhilBest
      
      Thank heaven that our cops are not like some of those in Aussie, who would actually bust up the kids play and have the parents uplift their kids from the cop shop and face charges over it.
      
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      October 14, 2021 9:01am
    - Tomtoddy
      
      Its not about the kids. She doesnt give a toss about them or their little drawings. She is appealing to her sycophantic female supporters. Keeping them mesmerised, fearful, dependent and voting for her.
      
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      October 14, 2021 9:50am
- Frank the tank
  
  I somehow doubt my letter will get picked………
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nothing more than another Labour pamphlet drop under cover. Fuck she is childish.
  Must try harder, adults watch this
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:22am
- artemisia
  
  LOL, shades of the Prime Minister’s ill-advised ‘hold my beer’ faux TED Talk. Quite correctly a one off, but should have been a none off.
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:22am
- alex Masterley
  
  Jesus wept.
  Surely she has better things to do? Lead the government for example?
  On second thoughts…
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Lead the Govt? Wot’s that?
    
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    October 14, 2021 8:27am
- Stellaboxer
  
  This pathetic clown will cast a shadow over this country for generations
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    My yet to be born great grandkids will be paying for it even after they are retired
    
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    October 14, 2021 8:50am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      They will be paying for much more than you might imagine.
      
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      October 14, 2021 8:55am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Meanwhile this is how she/they talk to grownups…
  
  https://twitter.com/_MaccaNZ/status/1447397828909617162?t=Q4x69nmcaDlYp8w-AwGmGA&s=07
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Where does this end? At the VOTING BOOTH!!
    
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    October 14, 2021 8:49am
  - krazykiwi
    
    But now …Judge Bans New York State from Sacking Health Care Workers Who Refuse to Get Jabbed on Religious Grounds.
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:55am
- JB.49
  
  Jacindajugend
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:46am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    More like bellend JB.
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:11am
- RW Capitalist
  
  According cindy’s own measure of poverty, won’t those pictures be soaked and smudged?
  Due to not having
  a house to live in?
  Clothes to wear?
  School to go too?
  Food to eat?
  and just lately, I heard on the radio, people “suffering” from “HYGIENE POVERTY”?
  In short….doesn’t she have more important things to do?
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:16am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Apparently we are ALL living in poverdy RW. After all, no one can take an overseas holiday once a year. And Jacinda is poverdy stricken. Poverdy of ideas and poverdy of intellect. Poor wee thing.
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:49am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Jacinda, dear. You have a huge number of advisers in your Department. One of them recommended to you that you do that execrable video. Find that person. Then call in The Speaker and ask him to kick that idiotic adviser fair and square up the arse.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:29am
- Rich Prick
  
  Someone, tie her hands down. They add nothing to what (little) she is saying.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:33am
- Scooter
  
  Love the playschool presenter reply. I seriously think there’s something not quite right with her.
  
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  October 14, 2021 6:35pm
Scott

In the run-up to the 2020 election, Twitter banned all discussion of Hunter Biden. News about Hunter Biden’s laptop which showed him involved with prostitutes and drugs in day-long orgies, and colluding with China aided and abetted by his father Joseph Biden, was suppressed by social media. Twitter banned the New York Post, the United States fifth-largest paper, from its own Twitter account.

Now for those who think that Twitter was just being cautious about “fake news”, others have done the work of documenting what Twitter does allow. So they banned the New York Post, America’s fifth-largest newspaper, from posting on their platform. But they did allow this –
– a false report from Rachel Maddow of MSNBC that “patients overdosing on Ivermectin backing up rural Oklahoma hospitals”
– the Ayatollah Khamenei – “Down with USA means down with Trump , Bolton and Pompeo. It means death to the American politicians currently in power.”
– Louis Farrakhan – “the FBI has been the worst enemy of black advancement. The Jews have control over those agencies of government.”
– Reza Aslan – ” if they even tried to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg we burn the entire f*****thing down.”
–Hua Chunying (Communist Party official) – “stop making and spreading disinformation! The so-called million Uyghurs detained and thousands subject to forced labour is pure lie and fake news”
– Jen Psaki – “Hunter Biden story is Russian disinformation, dozens of former Intel officials say”

Those guys at Twitter are surely something special.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/12/they-banned-the-post-but-twitter-didnt-take-these-tweets-down/
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October 14, 2021 8:09am
- All_on_Red
  
  Butt Hunter is slowly but surely dragging ‘the Big Guy’ down.
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10070093/Joe-Biden-Hunters-shared-bank-accounts-make-president-target-FBI-probe.html
  
  Fun video- Hunter sure likes to party.
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:40am
  - Inandout
    
    All, Joe’s dementia and Hunter’s addiction are now ‘on’ limits and this is how the old chap is going to be sidelined from the Presidency. Harris is not popular and is deliberately ignoring the border chaos because she probably realises the power brokers are gunning for her. This leaves a country where the States are disunited, and this scenario I guess was what the Founders foresaw by empowering them with their own legislature.
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:19am
    - Vory v zakone
      
      Waiting for China Joe, Cackling Camilla and Crazy Nancy to get sidelined.
      Then step up the president pro tempore emeritus of the United States Senate…. Chuck Grassley ??
      
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      October 14, 2021 10:30am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    One of sleepy’s best statements in life.
    “You know you’re a success when you look at your kids and realize they turned out better than you.” ~ Joe Biden
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:08am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I’m afraid you are delusional, the odds against the idea that the FBI is actually looking at anything Biden related, and even more so on doing anything about it, are too astronomical to be quoted.
    
    Joe has, in fucking spades, the Democrat “get out jail free” card, and none of the authorities will make the slightest move against him or any of his corrupt family until they have outlived their welcome and need, for the sake of the Democrat party, to be replaced.
    
    That’s just how it is.
    
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    October 14, 2021 12:04pm
PhilBest

From William Briggs (“Statistician to the Stars”)

https://wmbriggs.com/post/37713/

There is no reason for vaccine passports to exist except as cruel punishment and tortuous coercion.

To prove this, examine this quote from a Blue Chekist on Twitter: https://twitter.com/AmandaMarcotte/status/1446796242038804480

one of sea of similar sentiments: “Torture works. People shouldn’t be able to enter a public building, have a job, or fly in a plane without the jab.”

This female is right. Torture does in fact work. Not everybody would break under the emotional and physical torment of being isolated from all others, from slow starvation from lack of a job. But most would.

The female insists the torture is necessary for the good of the victim’s health. That is, she says this, but doesn’t believe it. Instead she desires her enemies bend to her will, and she is willing to use torture to accomplish this.

Cruel and heartless. No compassion exists in her soul. She will punish her enemies and show no mercy. She would take your job, isolate you, and forbid you to make a living. Make a living. She would make you die, taking away your life bit by bit—if you do not do what she wants. And she would laugh.

This is the true essence of the “soft” effeminate toxic femininity authoritarianism that rules us.

She said “Vaccine mandates” and not “torture”. But we now see it is equivalent.

PASSPORT TO NOWHERE
The vaccine passport is useless, except as coercion and torture. We’ve done this argument before, but we have to review it again.

That they don’t include natural acquired immunity to count on the passport, an immunity superior in every way to any vaccine for any disease, is proof positive this is about torture, the desire to inflict pain.

Unless our rulers are genuinely ignorant and incompetent and do not understand about natural acquired immunity. In which case, we are ruled by idiots, who give themselves the title of Experts. I fear this is often the case.

If the vaccine works, to the extent it works, the person taking it will be protected, to the extent they are protected. It doesn’t matter who infects them, either their own body naturally or the vaccine artificially will save them from death, or neither will. Nothing can change that. No law, no torture, no nothing.

It does not matter who infects the vaccinated, a vaccinated person or an unvaxxinated one. The result will be the same for the infected.

If the vaccines works, to the extent it works, a person not taking it must rely on their own natural protection alone. All the unvaccinated know this. It does not matter who infects them, or where they are infected. The result will be whatever it is, according to their own bodies and whatever supplementary medicines they take (like aspirin).

The unvaccinated know this: they know the risk they are taking. And they believe the risk of taking the vaccine is higher. They have much evidence to support this belief, especially if they are young and otherwise healthy.

The vaccinated are thus in no additional danger from the unvaccinated, and the unvaccinated are in no additional danger from the vaccinated.

The vaccine passport, then, only exists to coerce. Experts have decided you must be healthy, according to their flawed definition of healthy. I have told this joke innumerable times, but it fits:

A sweater is an article of clothing a child puts on when the mother gets cold;

A mandated vaccine is a drug a citizen takes when effeminate rulers grow frightened—or cruel.

We have had flu vaccines for over half a century. Up until last year, people still died of flu. Vaccines at best cut into the death rate, but did not end it.

We have already seen the mRNA vaccines are about as efficient as flu vaccines in preventing death. And that they cause more and worse side effects than flu vaccine.

The coronadoom vaccines, even if forced upon every living soul, will therefore not cause coronadoom to vanish. It will never go away.

The vaccine passports will not cause the bug to disappear.

Even if you are still terrified of death, and choose to live your life in fear of occult germs which swarm about you, then you must still agree that the best argument against vaccine passports is that they will grow and be abused.

If they can do it for coronadoom, they can do it for flu. If they can do it for coronadoom and flu, they can do it for “racism” and global warming, which our Experts have already called health “crises”.

Once they get away making you carry a piece of paper everywhere you go, for all time, for the rest of your life, with no exceptions, they can make you do anything.

If you cannot see this by this late date, you must join the Blue Chekists and take whatever pleasure you can in torturing your fellow man, before your brutish life comes to an ignominious end. Even then you will live your life in fear, not of a bug, but of the other Blue Chekists, who have already proven their black natures, and will be willing to do anything they can to rise over you.
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October 14, 2021 8:09am
kowtow

Food and petrol prices ramping up.

Could be a good thing as it could be an education for the carbon zero nutters and teach others a lesson in how vital to our life and standard of living is food and ‘fossil fuel” and the people who provide it for us…….

But it won’t and we’re coming in for a hypefest from the Media pardy and the Davos Elites from that most wonderful of shitholes, Glasgow, and the continued literal madness of “transition to a greener future’.

Idiots.
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October 14, 2021 8:15am
- Justitia
  
  Yes, I was reading only this morning how in Trier Germany in 1586 118 women and two men were burned alive after confessing, while undergoing torture, that they had prolonged the winter through diabolic incantations. Now we demonize carbon, an essential building block of life. COP 26 in Glasgow is a modern witch burning and will have the same impact on the climate. Humans have always looked for scapegoats, it’s in our DNA, but normally we control our irrational destructive urges.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:08am
  - Matt Long
    
    The same people clamoring for compulsion and coercion for forced vaccinations would approve of the burnings then.
    
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    October 14, 2021 12:13pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Latest Covid figures from UK comparing jabbed and unjabbed:

https://twitter.com/alexfmac/status/1448273861653504013
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October 14, 2021 8:18am
- Tony Stuart
  
  As I said on the 7am thread, we have elderly friends in the UK. Both are double-jabbed, yet both have recently been diagnosed as having Covid, and the husband is seriously ill in ICU as a result of the virus. I find that very worrying, given I have several underlying health issues.
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:47am
- PhilBest
  
  And yet in the USA, the official data shows the ongoing pandemic to be exclusively a “pandemic of the unvaccinated”.
  
  Don’t say the USA, in the oh so capable hands of the Biden, um, ah, Administration, is an outlier because their official data is manipulated porkies?
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:04am
- Ed Snack
  
  Yes, Alec is correct that the released figures show that. And to be fair, he doesn’t speculate why. It is also true that the same figures show that the vaccinated are significantly less likely to need hospitalisation or die.
  
  That does suggest that there are a number of confounding factors at work, and that data just isn’t available. For example it is possible that a significant number of the unvaccinated are naturally immune, having survived an earlier bout of Covid and as a result haven’t felt the need to get vaccinated as well. If that is true however it would imply that being unvaccinated and without natural immunity is considerably more dangerous than the figures show.
  
  It could also be that the vaccinated behave significantly differently, or especially in the younger age groups the vaccinated disproportionately contain especially vulnerable people who are far more likely to catch Covid anyway.
  
  So it is an interesting set of data, but quite what it “means” is unclear. Except perhaps Alec’s point, it is safer to be in a small unventilated area with unvaccinated people rather than vaccinated, without any real idea why that should be so !
  
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  October 14, 2021 1:01pm
doggone7

Looking for someone to entertain you to avert lockdown boredom?
With crayons available? What happened to imagination? A crayon up each nostril and selfies? All the angles and backgrounds possible. Crusader colours? With Halloween coming up?
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October 14, 2021 8:21am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I thought the Covid-obsessed crowd would be happy playing on the 7 am thread, but I suppose the desperation to spread their intellectual infection they must vomit on all threads, generally.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:00am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Said the chap who delivered some 8am gastric reflux in the form of “Happy [insert something inane] day”.
    
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    October 14, 2021 12:43pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m sorry for trying to cheer you up.
      
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      October 14, 2021 1:21pm
Souvlaki

So bloody tone deaf…..amazingly gauche, & poor form???
Exactly what we have come to expect from her!
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October 14, 2021 8:24am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Govt not considering L4 for Auckland. That means it’s coming, they are sort of preparing us for a soft landing – and will say they tried hard to not do it. Liars.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/government-not-considering-alert-level-4-circuit-breaker-lockdown-despite-calls-from-health-experts/ar-AAPrzvA?ocid=msedgntp
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October 14, 2021 8:25am
Maggy Wassilieff

Has anyone informed the PM that we’ve got Covid staying over at Christmas and Santa missed out on the MIQ lottery?
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October 14, 2021 8:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe James Shaw could give up his spot? Santa is far more important than him
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:31am
  - G152
    
    Not in James Shaws what passes for a mind he doesn’t
    
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    October 14, 2021 8:42am
  - Paulus
    
    Shaw and sixteen others – all special people so no MIQ for any of them.
    
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    October 14, 2021 10:57am
Maggie Pie

And did anybody else wake up this morning to an email from….

“GENISIS ENERGY With you. For You.”

Kia ora Maggie
Your natural gas prices are changing.
From November 20 the gas portion of your bill will increase by 9%.

Nga mihi
Tracey Hick – CCO
‘We’re here to help’

SHEEESH!!
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October 14, 2021 8:27am
- greybeard
  
  No, but I did get an email from Spark saying I will have to pay more from next month.
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:58am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I didn’t know gas was reticulated to all of Otahuhu.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:05am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YOUR IDIOT NAME
    IS YOUR FIRST NAME
    AND WHATEVER
    YOUR LAST NAME IS.
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:33am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Maggie Pie, shouting on the internet just make you see more unhinged.
      
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      October 14, 2021 9:46am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Lol Maggie, mike will be looking to make an upwards move now he knows gas is in Otahuhu.
      
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      October 14, 2021 9:54am
Yvette

Again non-delivery?
The Government will start taxing agriculture emissions from 2025, under the He Waka Eke Noa Primary Sector Climate Action Partnership, but the sector will get a 95 percent discount.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/10/emissions-reduction-plan-ideas-dubbed-wacky-hot-air-and-hodgepodge.html

Once you get past, “He Waka Eke Noa”, apparently meaning “We are all in this (canoe) together” but which Google translates “It’s a Free Ride”, you may wonder “Partnership between who?”, but then you get to “95 percent discount”, which is a little like a Japanese double negative, and perhaps should read “the sector will pay 5% of whatever the tax is”.

Then of course to “start taxing agriculture emissions from 2025″ is penalise farmers for crap still being emitted instead of it being eliminated – the tax going to God knows where, and the emission still contributing to the next generations (Neve’s generation) nuclear free moment (rejecting a perceived catastrophe), which may not be that catastrophe free” – a little like forest “carbon sinks” which “kick the issue down the road” for someone else to deal with when the trees pass Best By Date and fall over, or are transported around the world to someone else’s backyard.

“So much for tackling the climate crisis being Ardern’s ‘nuclear free’ moment. Instead of taking action, she’s sending Climate Minister James Shaw off to COP26 with a suitcase full of hot air and udder bullshit.” – agriculture campaigner Christine Rose, who described the ideas as “meaningless waffle”
(this being quite apart from the matter of flying, with a bunch of other “air-heads” to Glasgow, and presumable off-setting that carbon flying foot-print by having more fucking trees planted to be bloody future carbon-sequestered time bombs.

The only possible benefit in all of this is that James Shaw and his eleven or so hangers-on will be confined for two weeks to some hotel on their return, although they may likely “work” from there using such electronic means as they should have been able to involve rather than going to Scotland in the first place)

Right on, Christine Rose!
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October 14, 2021 8:28am
- G152
  
  Going to be interesting watching the agriculture world minus tractors and roading crews without bulldozers and graders
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:44am
  - PhilBest
    
    Are there going to be “roading” crews in the brave new world? Whatever for?
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:05am
    - kowtow
      
      You don’t expect the PLA to march cross country ?
      
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      October 14, 2021 10:00am
  - kowtow
    
    Going to be interesting watching the agricultural world turned into pine forests , instead of beef and lamb.
    
    This now has all the signs of a cult for the idiots who believe and a ponzi scheme for the schemers.
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:58am
    - Yvette
      
      Kowtow – Going to be interesting watching the agricultural world turned into pine forests, instead of beef and lamb.
      
      It not something that may be interesting to watch happen here.
      Among many sources, the mention following, allows you to see it now – for example in Ireland …
      
      The wrong kind of trees: Ireland’s afforestation meets resistance
      … “We’re not anti-trees, we’re anti-this,” said Willie Stewart, tramping through a gloomy pine-filled grove near his home in the townland of Drumnadober. “It’s industrial monoculture – a green barrier all around us. It’s horrible.” The activists, who include artists, farmers and business owners, say plantations inflict ecological and social damage and capture less carbon than proponents claim.
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/07/the-wrong-kind-of-trees-irelands-afforestation-meets-resistance
      
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      October 14, 2021 10:49am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      There’s probably global money picking up carbon credits–it’s a big racket.
      
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      October 14, 2021 12:35pm
dime

I’m hearing a positive case in blemheim
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October 14, 2021 8:33am
- rockape
  
  From where exactly? My wife in the DHB has heard nothing!
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:12am
  - dime
    
    cant say exactly.. but the same source who gives me the case numbers hours before they are released.
    
    its a good source.
    
    they said not 100% confirmed.
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:33am
    - rockape
      
      You were right on the dime. Two ladies of the night, no travel exemptions from Auckland to Blenheim, refusing to co operate.
      
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      October 14, 2021 11:45am
      - dime
        
        My source is pretty high up. Its been handy getting the goss
        
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        October 14, 2021 2:21pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    maybe here:
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/PIDOOMA
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:48am
    - dime
      
      oh look, milky felt the need to comment. thats just fantastic.
      
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      October 14, 2021 10:22am
    - dime
      
      oh whats this? a headline about Blenheim…
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-sex-workers-caught-at-blenheim-motel-without-travel-exemptions/B4H4YHOOMIKGYOK3VGJBFDUVMY/
      
      dickhead.
      
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      October 14, 2021 10:51am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Wonder how much they charge for fucking a whole town/region/island?
        
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        October 14, 2021 11:34am
      - kowtow
        
        Can’t be . Tim Barnett claimed his bill would turn the “profession” into respectability itself and there’d no longer be any problems with it.
        
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        October 14, 2021 11:51am
      - Yabster
        
        I second that…
        
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        October 14, 2021 11:55am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh, sorry about that dime. What brought you back to Kiwiblog, btw, two years after the new comments policy and moderation offended you so much?
        
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        October 14, 2021 1:24pm
- Hollyfield
  
  Just been reported on the news that two sex workers have been picked up at a motel in Blenheim having travelled from Auckland without a travel exemption.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m a bit out of the loop… but I’d have thought most 48 year and 49 year-old sex workers would have headed for the retirement couch.
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:49am
    - dime
      
      yikes. at that age you need to start offering all sorts of creepy extras
      
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      October 14, 2021 12:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some weirdo gone crazy with a bow and arrows in Norway. Deaths and injuries. Ban bows and arrows now?
https://www.dw.com/en/norway-bow-and-arrow-attack-leaves-several-dead/a-59497283
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October 14, 2021 8:34am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Goodness. What a coincidence 🙁
  Hope it wasn’t a copycat motivated by that story of the Duck with an arrow thru it in Mt Roskill which I posted about on GD last week.
  just saying.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:30am
Stellaboxer

I never really got the tar and feather thing and run out of town on a rail but I’m beginning to understand the sentiment every time I look at her.
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October 14, 2021 8:34am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Did you tell your partner that’s how you felt about him?
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:09am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Making gay jokes, not very woke.
    Report for re-education, comrade.
    
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    October 14, 2021 2:56pm
Tony Stuart

Barry Soper isn’t mincing his words this morning:

If you ever have any doubt that this Government has a credibility problem, you only had to tune into the latest sermon from the Pulpit of Truth to confirm it.

This is a Government, don’t forget, that Jacinda Ardern promised would be the most transparent administration that we have ever experienced. It’d be as pure as the driven snow.

Bollocks.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-barry-soper-little-information-forthcoming-on-northland-covid-cases/2TXJERW5OJAR4LXLSH6Y4YFRDI/

Soper eloquently nails what many of us are thinking, and his use of the term “bollocks” is absolutely perfect. He’s not done though, and ends his piece thus:

So, the obvious was put to Hipkins; why doesn’t he just come out and say they’re sex workers? That’s not the information he has, he protested, adding there’s a lot of speculation but that’s not the information.

So, what were they doing in the north that has made people so wary about coming forward?

Well, that’s the information they have but aren’t prepared to share which simply fuels the speculation.

In this case, knowledge makes them look powerless.

And the Pulpit of Truth is fast becoming the Pulpit of Strewth.

Nothing illustrates the way the Government regards us more than the Ardern video Maggie Pie links to above. It’s time for the PM and her Ministers to start treating us like adults, and stop the pussyfooting around.
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October 14, 2021 8:35am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  TS – I don’t think kids have the brain development required to treat adults like adults.
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If not sex workers, drug mules.
  
  As someone commented on RNZ this morning, Northland has no shortage of sex workers (I wouldn’t know), but heavy drugs could be running short after a few weeks non-delivery from locked-down Auckland.
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:58am
  - RoboRob
    
    Probably, but who knows? They could have been paying suppliers. Could have been Jacindas famiy members on holiday.
    
    JA and hipkins absolutely know but are lying to us about no knowing. Even some labour supporters should be able to puzzle that one out 🙂
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:02am
    - sooty
      
      If they were drug mules, wouldn’t they be in and out quick. Unless they did multiple trips.
      Where as a sex worker is there for a long time.
      
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      October 14, 2021 10:29am
      - RoboRob
        
        Doesn’t that depend on the client 🙂
        
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        October 14, 2021 11:17am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        It was reported in the Daily Mail days ago that they were a couple of sex workers with gang connections.
        Now reflect on that for a moment. We have to get our information from foreign news agencies now because our own media is toothless and corrupt and our government lives in a world of lies. Ardern would like to regulate speech and information on the internet. And the left keeps clapping.
        
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        October 14, 2021 11:45am
      - zulumonster
        
        “Where as a sex worker is there for a long time.”
        Not necessarily a long time … according to my source …
        
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        October 14, 2021 12:54pm
- RoboRob
  
  Anyone with a brain can see the govt knows a lot more about these people than they are letting on. For the intelligent, this makes them look dubious, for the less intelligent it makes them look powerless. I don’t know why the deceipt around these woman, but my mind can dream up lots reasons that are likely untrue (gang associations, political associations, GCSB agents etc).
  
  We quickly got names, occupations and family members of the ‘rich’ couple that escaped to Wanaka so that we could rage about them. In this case nothing. The police have even decided not to question the second person until they are covid free, what the absolute f*@k?
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:00am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    To be quite frank I think the Northland decision is simply to pander to a few minority activist groups up this way.
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:29am
- Yvette
  
  Tony Stuart: Barry Soper – little information forthcoming on Northland Covid cases.
  
  Maggie Pie (above, 8.05am) BORED DURING LOCKDOWN? GRAB THE CRAYONS. It’s … CINDY KINDY!
  – a competition to design Jacinda’s Christmas card, to be sent to hundreds, she says.
  
  But I bet Barry Soper won’t get one.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:26am
  - Durden
    
    Why can Blenheim sex workers be named and so far the Northland sex tourists are not ?
    
    Maybe because the Blenheim workers are Chinese. Racism much ?
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126678256/sex-workers-arrested-in-blenheim-have-until-5pm-friday-to-get-back-to-auckland
    
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    October 14, 2021 5:59pm
- Nickc2
  
  Sex workers delivering Labour Party pamphlets under a Mongrel Mob contract with the Govt.
  What could possibly go wrong?
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:32am
- doggone7
  
  I read Soper’s spiel and thought it marvellous that he gets paid to write as he did.
  
  ” … why doesn’t he just come out and say they’re sex workers? That’s not the information he has, he protested, adding there’s a lot of speculation but that’s not the information.”
  
  He wanted to hear Hipkins say “sex worker”? He’s upset because Hipkins didn’t? Who the hell cares? They screwed Northland whether they are plumbers, sparkies or nuns.
  
  Treat us like adults? Adults are creatures who do dumb, selfish, moronic things like those women. Adults are educated creatures who write trite stuff like the Soper column.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:02am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    I thought it marvellous that a Labour lickspittle gets paid to troll every day on Kiwiblog ?
    
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    October 14, 2021 10:56am
  - RoboRob
    
    You don’t think it is important for the public to know what these people were doing? Surely, what they were doing and how they were allowed to do it relate strongly to the performance of the government agencies involved.
    
    Without information how is the public to judge the performance of government services. Would you prefer we just based our judgement on ‘feelz’?
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:21am
    - doggone7
      
      The public knowing what these women were doing a a to judge the performance of government services?
      
      We all appreciate it has to be someone’s fault they got to Northland.
      
      Judging the performance of government services? Judging the performance of the police when they can’t find culprits for a crime when there are no leads ending in charges or there is not enough evidence to charge someone. Is it the cops’ fault, they are to be blamed?
      
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      October 14, 2021 1:59pm
      - RoboRob
        
        What I mean is along the lines of…
        
        If these woman are Drug dealers working for the gangs, then we might suspect the governments line that the gangs are co operating is false. That the police / agencies need to take additional action to deal with this sort of thing.
        
        If these woman are friends of powerful people, we need to look at MBIEs processes for exceptions.
        
        Were these woman prostitutes. Did they have a gang escort (as reported by the not so trust worthy Winston Peters). if so where is the gang escort?
        
        Because we don’t know what these woman were doing we don’t know if either of the above are issues. Why cant we know? We know that names of the ‘rich’ people who went to Wanaka and there occupations.
        
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        October 14, 2021 3:56pm
      - doggone7
        
        Why do we need to know all about these women? Do we need to know all the details of everything that’s going on with everyone in the country? Or just about those who’ve done something wrong?
        
        To be clear, I think right from the outset when they couldn’t track one down, her name and face should have been all over the news. Tracking her down was important because it was likely she had the virus and was likely to pass it on to others.
        Me not knowing whether they had a gang escort? Why do I need to know that? If they did what am I going to do about it?
        
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        October 14, 2021 8:00pm
rockape

The people who are going to get sacked for being unvaccinated are ,teachers who don’t believe in science, nurses and doctors who don’t believe in health science and police who don’t believe in public safety. It’s hard to see a downside.
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October 14, 2021 8:43am
- krazykiwi
  
  Martin Niemöller’s “First they came for…” springs to mind.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:43am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    In a real pandemic, people would be killing each other in order to get their hands on the vaccine. Instead, people are ready to give up their LIVELIHOODS to avoid it.
    
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    October 14, 2021 10:58am
- westernScientest
  
  if you have to believe in science, its not science, its propaganda.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:49am
- Liberal Cliche
  
  That’s because you can’t see beyond your cult. Here ill tell you why ..
  
  “believe”
  
  You “believe” in god? get it? you use the same principle whilst talking about ‘science’.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:49am
- Taieri
  
  Since when the practitioners of “Public Health” are scientists?
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:19am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Rockape No they will be people from various professions exercising their human rights. The reasons for doing so are neither your or our business.
  
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  October 14, 2021 12:12pm
krazykiwi

It’s took nearly a year, but The BMJ has finally confirmed how anti-science they are by publishing an attack in the people behind The Great Barrington Declaration.

This is a great fisk of the spurious claims and ad hominems that the once honourable BJM stooped to publish.
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October 14, 2021 8:46am
Paulus

Sounds as though some or all or part of Ardern’s part of Pulpit of Truth is to be downsized – appear that already as Tova and Jessie getting tired of asking
and answering same questions all the time.
And are getting laughed at.
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October 14, 2021 8:49am
- alex Masterley
  
  Malpas had a piece in Stuff commenting on that. The subtext i saw was he is a bit disillusioned by the adress from the pulpit and the Jess and Tova show that followed. Given he is a Jacinda fan girl it is a bit surprising.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:44am
- Colville
  
  Now its all going to be BAD news of course Jacinda wont want to stand up there and smile and nod.
  
  She will leave the dirty work to a repeater in a press release where the truth can be massaged to within an inch of its life.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:11am
  - Paulus
    
    Nah !
    Hipkins will still love to hear his own voice from there.
    Robertson too !
    Its just because Cindy has been told to STFU for a while- it is wedding time.
    Hubby to be is a TV star now.
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:05am
krazykiwi

Insulate Britain is another UK ExtinctionRebellion-like activist group, stuffed full of wealthy, petulant adults who seemingly need a cause to validate their shallow existence.

This from S!iked:-

Insulate Britain is in bed with the establishment

The tabloids have had a field day with the revelation that an Insulate Britain activist is married to a director of Transport for London (TfL). Cathy Eastburn of Insulate Britain has been busy trying to bring transport to a standstill. She has been arrested four times for acts such as blocking roads and gluing her hands to a train. Meanwhile, her husband, Benedict Plowden, is in charge of ‘getting London moving after the pandemic’.

The press is finally starting to realise that Britain’s green road-blockers are drawn from the upper echelons of society. The rag-tag crusties of Extinction Rebellion and Insulate Britain might present themselves as the political establishment’s opponents, but they have always been its bedfellows. Literally, in this case.

Not every green activist is married to a public-sector executive on £170,000 per year. But most do come from households that bring home many times the average family income. They come from a class of people for whom it is relatively easy to take activist sabbaticals. They can afford to pause their vegan yogurt-weaving workshops and take to the streets whenever it takes their fancy.
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October 14, 2021 8:53am
- PhilBest
  
  James Delingpole on 25 Aug:
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/08/25/extinction-rebellion-are-so-establishment-theyll-soon-get-knighthoods/
  
  Extinction Rebellion Are So Establishment They’ll Soon Get Knighthoods
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:07am
RoboRob

Wathed the Childresn commisioner Andrew Beacroft on TV this morning. He talked about needing equality to help children. Has this socialist ever looked at countries that have more equality. Heres a hint, they all suck.

Then I realised, this turkey has spent his time as commisioner championing lowing the voting age, equality and raising the age of criminal responsibility. All big picture, un acheivable targets.

Meanwhile where has he been on things that he could have acheived something around? I’m thinking Education in particular here. Why has the childrens commisioner sat around and ignored the education system slowly getting worse and worse? He wants to raise the age of legal responsibility, it was lowered because of gangs using kids for crime. He could use his positon to pressure the government around gangs but instead focuses on the effect rather than the cause.

My conclusion. By promoting stuff that even this government isn’t likely to move on, he gets to sit around earning big dollars with a fancy title without taking any risk. Meanwhile the kids he is supposed to be helping get nothing.
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October 14, 2021 8:53am
- rockape
  
  I have always thought Beacroft would want to be one of those wanting to reduce the age of consent for sex to twelve!
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:09am
- mikenmildagain
  
  lowing the voting age
  
  Is dairy farming really so important that it should be one vote per cow?
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:12am
  - westernScientest
    
    Spend much time with cows? they are socialists though and through, give them a bit of free stuff and all they want is more and will complain like there is no tomorrow if they dont get it. Sounds like a perfect place for labour to get some more votes
    
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    October 14, 2021 9:43am
  - RoboRob
    
    He may as well have been pushing for cows to vote. Would be about as successful as his other ‘big ticket’ policies. Certainly would be as helpfull to children too.
    
    p.s. I wish my browsers spell checker would work fior this site (it does for others)
    
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    October 14, 2021 10:14am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      A spellchecker cant insure you pock the rite ward.
      
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      October 14, 2021 1:28pm
- Flossie
  
  He said the age of criminal liability should be raised. How does this sit with his idea of lowering the voting age? If kids don’t know what they’re doing is illegal then how can they have the nous to reason who they should vote for?
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:30am
  - septic skeptic
    
    There you go again bringing logic into it.
    
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    October 14, 2021 10:08am
- oldfella
  
  @Robo, I’m wondering who will be the next Children’s Commissioner. Any more Mahuta sisters looking for a job?
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:53am
  - RoboRob
    
    I imagine we will get a disabled, ‘person of colour’, transexual, femail?, academic. Oh and they will be childless.
    
    In all seriousness, likely we will yet again get a closeted academic who is so old that they are well removed from any experiance they may have had with children. Said as a parent of teenage boys.
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:24am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Too lowly ranked for their mana.
    
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    October 14, 2021 12:40pm
- Taieri
  
  He talked about needing equality to help children. Has this socialist ever looked at countries that have more equality. Heres a hint, they all suck.
  ————–
  
  The late Soviet Union had plenty of equality. Everyone was equally poor.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:20am
  - RoboRob
    
    My point exactly. All the communist / hard socialist countries are failures that end in dictatorships.
    
    The left defense is always ‘they didn’t do socialism / communism right’.
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:26am
Ehlana

And now for a non-Covid story.

Remember The Safety Warehouse and the “$100k live cash giveaway” which turned out to be mostly vouchers for their store?

The Herald today reports that a beneficiary who spent $200 travelling from Levin to attend the event wants compensation. He says the Safety Warehouse have “ripped off vulnerable members of the public who really believed they had a chance of winning their share of free cash.”

The event was (free) ticketed to comply with Council rules and there were 1600 tickets. If there had been $100,000 cash on offer, a ticket holders “share” would be $62.50. So even if he got his share, he’d still be out of pocket.

As a publicity stunt, this one seems to have been a spectacular own goal. Even though they have escaped prosecution, The Safety Warehouse doesn’t seem to exist any more as a trading entity.
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October 14, 2021 8:55am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Ehlana, “vulnerable members of the public” is code for bog stupid members of public. There’s a reason this person spent $200 trying to win $62.50.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:59am
I remember when

Dr Ian Miller, Lower Hutt, wrote a letter to the SST on 30 September, 2021:
He drew attention to the lack of testing of suitability of masks for covid use.
He suggested the use of a loose weave, with tortuous paths, such as wool, coated with polysulphated material, which traps and kills the virus.
For some reason all of the research and study we hear about involves possible death numbers and the infectiousness of each new variant.
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October 14, 2021 8:57am
- Ed Snack
  
  Unless you use masks that seal and filter air (such as military grade anti-biological warfare types) masks as worn by typical members of the public are a pointless bit of political theatre.
  
  Why the f***ing f*** are people so fixated on such worthless virtue signalling !
  
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  October 14, 2021 1:18pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Probably because Dear Leader said so. Except for some on KB, we’re a nation of followers and it really pisses me off.
    No one in a position of authority is prepared to stand up to these dictatorial bitches that decide the fate or otherwise of our nation and tell it how it should be. Just look at this shower of shit that has gone to the Glasgow Climate Summit to piss in each other’s pockets, pick up on new ideas to rip us off, make us dependant on the State and maintain themselves in positions of self-appointed authority.
    
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    October 14, 2021 3:53pm
ByGolly

Ardern running a kids Christmas card competition on FB.

Amazing she can run a fan club as well as a government.
Is she even a Christian??
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October 14, 2021 8:59am
- Rusty
  
  Jacinda attended a Mormon church in her youth but left sometime later because she didn’t like the churches attitude towards homosexuals.
  
  Seems she has measured all of christianity on this one aspect their teachings.
  
  I like to think christianity is pro-marriage and nuclear family than anti-gay.
  
  Ever wondered why christians are presented in a negative light in this country from our govt via the media?
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:25am
  - NoFax
    
    Mormons deny the Holy Trinity and, therefore, by definition are not Christian. So in fact the PM has never been a Christian.
    
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    October 14, 2021 10:27am
    - kowtow
      
      Not so sure .
      
      To be a Christian all one has to do is believe/accept that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God and was resurrected on the third day .
      
      After that the rest is just arguments , heresies etc
      
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      October 14, 2021 11:39am
      - Nickc2
        
        If you wanna be a Maori, you only have to say you are one. There’s no proof of lineage or blood test required. However, to receive maximum benefit from being one, you have to be connected. Then, the rewards are boundless.
        
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        October 14, 2021 1:10pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      She also allowed Muslim prayer in Parliament–an affirmation of anti-Christian.
      
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      October 14, 2021 12:44pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      And there’s the reformation era belief that Catholics aren’t really Christians because they believe in a quaternity not a trinity, adding in Mary as the extra member.
      
      The actual Book of Mormon is good for a few laughs though, when looked at critically.
      
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      October 14, 2021 1:21pm
  - Paulus
    
    More than in her youth unless to consider that the first 25 years of her life she was a youth.
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:08am
  - Don Beckett
    
    She’s a socialist/communist, and is therefore an atheist.
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:23am
    - RichardX
      
      Or not…
      
      https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christian-Socialism
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_socialism
      
      https://christiansocialism.com/
      
      https://philosophersforchange.org/2013/07/30/taking-notes-24-why-i-am-a-christian-communist/
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism
      
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      October 14, 2021 12:12pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        There you go again, wasting your time trying to help an idiot overcome his ignorance.
        
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        October 14, 2021 1:31pm
- mandk
  
  Of course she’s not.
  
  No real Christian would support abortion right up to term.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/05/progressive-christians-abortion-jes-kast/590293/
    
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    October 14, 2021 1:32pm
    - mandk
      
      Isaiah 5:20 warned us against supposed Christians like that bloke.
      
      How can it be moral to kill a full term baby?
      
      And, if it is, why not an infant, a toddler, a tetraplegic, or anyone else who can’t care for themselves?
      
      Indeed, why not anyone who espouses that sort of opinion?
      
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      October 14, 2021 3:12pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Ah, the No True Scotsman argument.
        
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        October 14, 2021 7:55pm
- Flossie
  
  Well she does have a three year old. Maybe she thinks everybody is a three year old.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:35am
  - david
    
    When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
    
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    October 14, 2021 3:11pm
Benedict Yu

Interesting data on COVID first shot rates by suburb and locality.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126670598/covid19-the-latest-on-new-zealands-vaccine-rollout-in-12-charts

In wealthy urban areas rates are well over 90 percent. The last 5 to 8 percent are likely to be core anti vaxxers. They are not going to give in until they are excluded from their favourite restaurants and wine bars.

It is remote areas like Ahipara, and poorer urban areas like Christchurch East where the gains could be made. The vaccination rates in these areas are pathetically low. It seems unlikely that most of the unvaccinated people in these areas are antivaxxers. There are too many of them. It is more likely that they have misinformation or they are preoccupied with other pressures like juggling a couple of minimum wage jobs.

There might be between 300,000 and 400,000 of these folk who could be persuaded to be vaccinated. So offer them incentives. Not a bacon sandwich. A voucher for goods or services that could improve their lives, like high quality food, or activities for their kids over the summer holidays. Valued at $1,000. That would work. And at say, $400 million the cost would be value for money if the vaccine uptake gets us out of our island prison.
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October 14, 2021 9:06am
- Libertarians are right
  
  I think you’ll find that the largest group of unvaccinated people at this point are the ones waiting for free stuff (at our expense obviously).
  
  I am very much opposed to these scumbags getting stuff just because they’re holding the rest of us to ransom (as opposed to those that are unvaxxed for other reasons).
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:14am
- westernScientest
  
  check out the Chatham islands, that has to be an outlier in your theory.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:16am
- mandk
  
  All anti-vaxxers will not want the jab, but not all those who don’t want the jab are anti-vaxxers.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:33am
  - westernScientest
    
    similarly, all people who oppose the coercion or mandates are not antivaxers. Many have made the personal decision to have the jab and still oppose them.
    
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    October 14, 2021 10:14am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “… but not all those who don’t want the jab are anti-vaxxers.”
    
    Isn’t that the definition of “anti vaxxer”? There is no rational reason to not be vaccinated.
    
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    October 14, 2021 12:17pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      In your mind there might be no rational reason to not be vaccinated.
      
      Other minds may differ.
      
      For example, in my mind the abridged clinical trials and, critically, the absence of long term safety data creates a large, unquantifiable risk. This risk skews my risk assessment model where it might leave yours unchanged.
      
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      October 14, 2021 12:27pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Sorry I am not prepared to have years of not travelling, not eating out and not going to concerts. I’m too old to forgo all of that.
        
        Plus I think you are wrong about the risks of the vaccine.
        
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        October 14, 2021 12:47pm
      - JerJer
        
        ….or if your Amish and don’t believe in all sorts of things, including government, electricity…..and vaccines.
        
        If you read the overseas news you will see that they collectively decided to not wear masks, not stay home, keep working and carry on as normal. They even drink from the same cup at their church service regardless of coronavirus. Yes, they caught it, and it all happened at once. Some got sick.
        
        Their communities seem to have achieved herd immunity between March and June last year.
        
        Two years later and we will still be terrified and cowering under our beds trying to figure out what to do.
        
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        October 14, 2021 1:13pm
      - Fletch
        
        Right. If the vaccination were akin to the yearly flu jab I would have no problem whatsoever. But I can see there are many adverse effects and huge risks. And whatever the govt or Nanogirl may say, it IS an experimental vaccine. Clinical trials for Pfizer do not finish until 2023 and the vaccine has only been granted provisional approval in NZ. Thus we are all part of a huge clinical trial.
        
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        October 14, 2021 4:28pm
      - dannz
        
        Krazy, I’m interested in how you have arrived at the balance of probabilities in which the risks of the vaccine are higher than risks from facing COVID unvaccinated.
        
        As I understand it mRNA vaccine technology has been tested in humans in some capacity since ~2010. Admittedly these were often quite small studies, though I imagine they would still highlight any particularly frequent or serious long term effects.
        
        There is an interesting and well referenced article on the history of mRNA vaccines here, you may have already seen it? https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243
        
        But getting back to the balance of risk, what do you consider the worst case probability that:
        1. Serious long term effects were missed in the early studies, or changes to the vaccine to adapt it to COVID cause additional/different adverse effects compared with earlier versions.
        2. These effects do not become apparent in the first year of use.
        3. The seriousness of these effects are greater than the reduction in risk of serious illness from Covid.
        
        These would need to have a likelyhood of greater than ~80% each (50% total) to be greater risk than the vaccine.
        
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        October 14, 2021 5:11pm
    - bronny1
      
      Seriously Benedict Yu?
      I normally respect your comments even if i don’t agree. But this?
      Perhaps you were just being disingenuous,
      “No rational reason not to be vaccinated”??????
      
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      October 14, 2021 12:45pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        So how do you plan to participate in society over the next 5 years without being vaccinated?
        
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        October 14, 2021 1:16pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Maybe a significant number of the resistors could be swayed by the availability of an alternate non-mRNA vaccine ? Certainly some are resisting the type of vaccine, myself I’m now Vaxxed but would rather have waited for non-mRNA had such been available in a reasonable timeframe.
        
        I do think there are unquantified risks that we don’t yet fully understand with the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines, especially around immune system changes. These concerns may prove unfounded, but that is yet to be demonstrated. Mind you, other faxes like Novavax also use the S protein as a trigger and may have long term side effects as well, but at least the delivery mechanism has a longer term trial period already, via their Pertussis vaccine.
        
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        October 14, 2021 1:33pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        I’ll answer that: By fighting tyranny rather than capitulating to it.
        
        It’s a personal choice, and I make no judgement of those who choose some other path.
        
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        October 14, 2021 2:50pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Good luck with your fight. Do you have any loved ones overseas? Do you like to mix with people or eat out? You are going to give all that up?
        
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        October 14, 2021 5:40pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Benedict,
      
      Anti-vaxxers will not vaccinate with any vaccine, no matter the risks or benefits. It comes down to disbelieving the vaccine will help overcome the disease.
      
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      October 14, 2021 12:51pm
    - mandk
      
      I disagree completely.
      
      Some people have had a lot of vaccinations, but object to the available COVID vaxxes because they have all been developed and/or tested using cell lines from aborted babies.
      
      Others think it would be better to let COVID run through the population, to promote natural immunity.
      
      Others think that the most effective response would be to use ivermectin as a prophylactic and early stage treatment.
      
      None of these positions is irrational.
      
      And there are probably other people who have other rational objections.
      
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      October 14, 2021 12:53pm
      - JerJer
        
        Yes, there are loads of other reasons as well. Again, if you read news overseas right now, experts (actual experts) are being asked when this might be managable and over (infections etc).
        
        What they are now saying is we need actual vaccines that work (what?). Vaccines that work, and theraputic drugs that can bring Covid related deaths down to 50,000 per year in the United States (same as the flu). Then we are done.
        
        Meanwhile in NZ we are pushing vaccine as the answer and preparing to have 1000 cases per day at 90% vaccinated and for the health system to be overwhelmed.
        
        Interesting.
        
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        October 14, 2021 1:37pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Others think it would be better to let COVID run through the population, to promote natural immunity.”
        
        That is one of the prominent arguments that antivaxxers use in opposing all vaccines. And it is superstitious nonsense right up there with Taniwha under the road bridge.
        
        No. There are NO rational reasons to refuse covid vaccinations. There is now ample evidence about the risks of the vaccine vs the risks of the disease.
        
        Our descendents will look on antivaxxers as about as rational as people who drowned women as witches.
        
        And what are you going to do when all vaccines and hundreds of other drugs deploy MRNA technology over the next 20 years? Hide under your bed?
        
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        October 14, 2021 5:59pm
- septic skeptic
  
  More simply, don’t be held to ransom. Announce an opening date of 1 December.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:14am
- KevO'Brien
  
  In Christchurch East Ardern is now being soundly put down. Govt has lost its creds so its requests will be ignored. Her smarmy style has caught her.
  
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  October 14, 2021 12:49pm
Ruahine

Blimey. This climate change thing that many people go on about must be real. Last year many experts were saying that the shortage of water in the Auckland dams was caused by this climate change thing. Now I see that the dams are back at their historical average levels for this time of the year.
This has obviously come about because the climate has changed. Again!!
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October 14, 2021 9:12am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Oh dear – it rained again. Seems to do that, just not according to Metro Waters forecast usage schedule.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:38am
- westernScientest
  
  Have been told it was the warmest winter on record to, yet mt hutt is staying open till labour weekend, hasnt happened in like 15 years. It sure as hell hasnt felt like a warm winter, used though more firewood than usual as well.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:39am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Whakapapa still open, though only the top half really has any significant cover. It has closed before this previous years.
    
    Not going again though, went two weekends ago and it was pretty soft by midday, and sloppy by 3. No longer the vertical metres hound that I used to be !
    
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    October 14, 2021 1:35pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Do you understand the difference between climate and weather?
    
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    October 14, 2021 6:00pm
- Unity
  
  The climate has always changed and always will. What they forget to add is that man has nothing to do with it. It’s caused by the solar system. So Climate Change is real but Anthropogenic Climate Change is not. I’ve lived by the coast all my life and the sea hasn’t risen one iota. Of course there are storms and King tides but then everything all settles back to normal when it’s over.
  
  Then they put looking after the environment in with climate change when they are two quite separate issues. Of course we should look after our environment – plastic bags, pollution etc. but they won’t change the climate.
  
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  October 14, 2021 11:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

It has taken many NZ secondary teachers less than 20 years to realise that NCEA was a pile of nonsense assessment… Pity they couldn’t have figured out before the system was introduced.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/126664075/wellington-girls-college-to-ditch-ncea-level-1-citing-student-burnout

I left teaching as the system came into schools, but my youngest child went through the 3 levels and was sick of constant assessments by year 13.

I had to endure all the training for implementing NCEA and the b.s. that this would be a “world-leading” assessment qualification that other countries would rush to take up…

I wonder where all those Min of Education expert advisors are now.
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October 14, 2021 9:19am
- Ruahine
  
  If I recall NCEA was Trevor Mallards creation. At the time was hailed as a world leading educational breakthrough. I think mainly by the Wellington based Ministry of Education taxpayer experts and also the Labour Government. Some things never change.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:42am
- Ian Boag
  
  The old chestnut about the relative merits of “ongoing in-school assessment” vs “shit-or-bust” on a single external exam. The pros/cons of each approach are well known. There is no obvious right answer ….
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:11am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Continuous assessment favours girls (who tend to have more maturity and conscientiousness), exams and tests allow boys to do better as only work hard in lead up to the tests/exams.
    
    Exams also make life a lot easier for teachers, and life generally more fun for kids without endless mountains of low-benefit homework and assignments to set, complete and mark. Note that NZ educational attainment standards were also generally higher in days of exams before NCEA came along
    
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    October 14, 2021 10:52am
- kowtow
  
  The real problem with NCEA was its intent was never about giving children a good education , it was at base about giving the losers a piece of paper to say they were winners .
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:30am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It didn’t improve their work expectations.
    
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    October 14, 2021 12:52pm
Maggie Pie

According to ZB, they still haven’t been able to extract a confession from those two, what Kerry Woodham called, ‘Huckery-Molls’….. that spread the Rona up North.

Even Chippy is reported in this mornings Horrid as saying….” There still wasn’t confidence in the Covid situation in Northland, due to the reluctance of the women travellers on sharing information”

Had to larf. My partners mum read that earlier and txt a link with the suggestion they should try….. ‘The Pear of Anguish’

https://thecoolist.com/medieval-torture-devices/
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October 14, 2021 9:22am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, no wonder the world is laughing at us. These two have cost Auckland a billion dollars each by lockdowns; bloody unbelievable.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:45am
  - kowtow
    
    No , the gurnermunters are entirely responsible.
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:33am
  - Nickc2
    
    Not only is it unbelievable Inandout, but these two and the rest of their like (Labour Party supporters) also don’t seem to give a shit what it costs the country now or what it’s going to cost the country in the future.
    To them, it’s just money so if you haven’t got any, who cares so long as the Taxpayers gives you enough for a few beers and cigarettes each day and the Salvation Army feeds us and we are given a State House to raise our kids without fathers in, all’s sweet eh bro.
    
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    October 14, 2021 12:16pm
    - Hometruth
      
      Don’t forget new social housing comes with stocked pantry’s and fridges all free I heard it helps their energy to trash the place.
      
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      October 14, 2021 2:04pm
- doggone7
  
  They spread the virus up north? Not many have been identified up north as having it. Yet. Except on here and on RNZ.
  
  What we know: At least three have visited Northland with the virus.
  There have been no publicised cases in Northland after the carriers have gone back to Auckland.
  
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  October 14, 2021 2:03pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1hn6vw2Ld0

How Wall Street Forces Us to Invest in China.

We know our China Uncensored viewers care about China, and they probably also care about their money, and their money not going to China. In this episode, we interview Perth Tolle, the founder of the Freedom 100 Emerging Markets Index, which is an index weighted to freedom that doesn’t have China in it at all. She explains how Wall Street forces investors to put their money into China, and, despite the incredible risks and low returns, why it’s still doing that. You can find more info on the Freedom 100 Emerging Markets Index at lifeandlibertyindexes.com [22:30]
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October 14, 2021 9:25am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BsgaiC7Xlg

China Trying to Rot Australia from Within.

The Chinese Communist Party knows that the easiest way to defeat a country isn’t with bullets or bombs. The easiest way to defeat a country is to control it from within. And it’s been trying—and in some cases successfully—for many years to control Australia this way. Watch this episode of China Unscripted for more on the Australia-China relationship, the importance of Taiwan to Australia’s sovereignty, and the effect China’s sanctions have had on Australia. [13:31]
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October 14, 2021 9:25am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DbneiW8Eo7s/

Let’s Go Brandon.

If the Democrats won’t scoot out the socialists and assorted filth from their party, the American people will have no choice but to scoot out the Democrats. [11:13]
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October 14, 2021 9:26am
oldfella

Garrick Tremain again shows NZ’s political ‘cartoonists’ how it’s done.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/cartoon-of-the-day-58?postId=9796820d-56f6-4352-a830-a9c51db00d9a
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October 14, 2021 9:27am
- Jack5
  
  Tremain has a web site, where you can see a string of his cartoons – and his paintings.
  
  Tremain is worth supporting:
  
  https://garricktremain.nz/
  
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  October 14, 2021 11:39am
Liberal Cliche

Ah here comes the bait and switch.

Nobody could of predicted it….

Forget covid now here’s the real FEAR!

“Health workers say Covid doesn’t compare to climate change threat”

https://twitter.com/i/events/1447671742114246658
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October 14, 2021 9:35am
BananaLlama

Ask Wokehub why they think they can tell women what kind of vaccine to put in their bodies like they are some kind of Harvey Weinstein and watch the mask come off. Maybe they could try not acting like creepy rapists?.
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October 14, 2021 9:38am
cmm

It is interesting how successes, or even purported successes, in health are always claimed as centralised government successes but failures are always DHB failures.

“Little said the Government had begun training more ICU-qualified nurses, which had reached 1400, since the beginning of 2020.”

Bullshit Andy. “the Government” trains exactly zero nurses and other medical staff. All medical staff are trained by various medical schools in conjunction with DHBs.

“the Government” does, however, run the MIQ and immigration services which make it nearly impossible for nurses, and other medical staff, to enter NZ and then get residence.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-nz-and-its-hospitals-overwhelmed-or-adequately-staffed/UBVZUG4QT3IQTJEZHSOCNCPXHI/
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October 14, 2021 9:46am
- surfing
  
  I wonder who pays for the training….bet it is the nurses.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:30am
  - cmm
    
    The taxpayer pays for most of it.
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:24am
- rockape
  
  The training is a 4 hour online course and then a bit of practical training in house.
  
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  October 14, 2021 12:14pm
Yvette

You don’t have to contract covid to be screwed by it –
“Figures released by the College of Surgeons England show that wait lists for elective procedures have increased 10-fold from before the Covid-19 outbreak until now.
“More than five million people in the UK are currently waiting on elective procedures. This is a vast amount of people and will mean an entire generation will live debilitated or, in many cases, die early due to diseases not being caught early and treated.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-nz-and-its-hospitals-overwhelmed-or-adequately-staffed/UBVZUG4QT3IQTJEZHSOCNCPXHI/

The current population of New Zealand is 4,872,307 as of Wednesday, October 13, 2021, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.UK
The current population of the United Kingdom is 68,341,111as of Tuesday, October 12, 2021

So, the more than five million people in the UK, currently waiting on elective procedures, equates to approximately 35,647 people, here in New Zealand, who will live debilitated or, in many cases, die early due to diseases not being caught early and treated.
(valid if Ardern can compare US vaccination rates to rates in New Zealand)
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October 14, 2021 9:49am
- Libertarians are right
  
  356,470 Kiwis unfortunately, assuming the same conditions.
  
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  October 14, 2021 11:24am
Stu2

Interesting Stuff story on why the 1pm press events came about, and suggesting they have had their time.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/126671384/covid19-is-it-time-to-ditch-the-1pm-livestreamed-updates
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October 14, 2021 9:53am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  So labour spinners (through team of $55million mouthpieces) have decided that press conferences to deliver news which has become perpetually bad (just an endless tale of failure) are unnecessary because reasons. Mustn’t harm brand Cindy.
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:58am
- BAM
  
  What?, so you can’t question the government.
  Funny how they want to ditch it, now everything is turning to shit.
  
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  October 14, 2021 11:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh how timely,
  
  just when the bad news starts to flow…..
  
  Useless muppets… only want to tell folks how wonderful they are, but can’t hack the hard yakka that will be needed in the next few months.
  
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  October 14, 2021 12:10pm
I remember when

Does the Maurice De Hond article on transmission patterns of covid-19 highlight an aspect under researched.
If the higher the number of virions inhaled affects the severity of the outcome, does this explain the reason for what appears to be unexpected results.
Was it the reason that hospital death rates were so high in the first wave in europe. Over populated wards.
Crowded ventilation areas, what seemed to be high doctor infection and death rates, a poor outcome.
Why has Peru had so many more deaths than elsewhere. Early lockdown, army control but the figures just soared.
In Peru, one’s family is often considered to be the most important part of life. Extended family contact is often frequent.
After considering the co-morbidity reasons, are Maori and PI case numbers and severity explained by larger numbers living together and greater
socialisation.
In other words it is not a Maori and PI problem but a numbers problem.
European or Asian familiies of the same size would result in a similar outcome.
Should the vaccination drive be directed towards large household occupation numbers.
How large has the household membership been for the daily “household contact” cases. Are people in larger households over represented.
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October 14, 2021 10:14am
- WaveyDavey
  
  The drive HAS been directed toward that demographic – I’ve yet to see a “get jabbed” ad aimed at any ethnicity other than PI, M or Asian, certainly whitey doesn’t get a look-in
  
  As I’ve said before, if you were brown in Sth Auckland you had the opportunity to get jabbed before my 93yo M-i-L (and me as whitey with a v serious underlying heart condition)
  
  If you look at the actual stats and don’t buy into the “vaccine inequity” bullshit you can clearly see that the olds in the PI & M populations are matching European vaccination rates
  
  If a 65 plus Maori guy can get vaxxed how come the 30 somethings can’t?
  
  Lazy c*nts is your answer
  
  This page, 5th graph down tells you where the problem is
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data
  
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  October 14, 2021 11:03am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    If the key to unlocking us is vaccination then those MoH figures show that the around 385,000 Maori aged between 12 and 49 are choosing to keep us in restraint
    
    Almost everyone else has done as asked
    
    That’s c.7.5% of the population who have the whip hand over the other 90%
    
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    October 14, 2021 2:22pm
Tom Hunter

I’m rather surprised that DPF hasn’t covered William Shatner’s successful flight into space. At 90 years of age he’s also the oldest person to go into space and the first actor.

Only a 10 minute sub-orbital hop but still.
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October 14, 2021 10:15am
- krazykiwi
  
  Great vid
  
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  October 14, 2021 10:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That was well worth the watch
  
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  October 14, 2021 11:32am
- MCos
  
  First singer
  https://youtu.be/FRpwHqVU1YA
  
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  October 14, 2021 12:00pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That’s gold.
    
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    October 14, 2021 1:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah OK, uptick. Never seen this before
    
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    October 14, 2021 2:11pm
Yvette

Where does the Government stand? Well – what day is it?

1 – Cabinet’s U-turn into the suppression experiment – 2 days ago
New Zealand government’s pivot from Covid elimination ‘surprised’ top health experts
Michael Baker said lack of discussion with independent experts was a ‘stark contrast’ to earlier pandemic decisions … “Given the Government’s approach conflicts with the best advice from the country’s independent experts, New Zealanders have a right to know what advice underpinned Cabinet’s U-turn into the suppression experiment.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/12/new-zealand-governments-pivot-from-covid-elimination-surprised-top-health-experts

2 – ‘Elimination strategy’ remains – 19 hours ago
Chris Hipkins says New Zealand has not abandoned its elimination strategy, only that there is confusion over the definition of the word “elimination”.
“I think the word elimination, the way it’s been used and the way it’s been interpreted across a variety of different places, it means different things to different people,” the Covid-19 Response Minister said.
“The Government’s use of the word ‘elimination’ has been relatively stable right the way through. Because we’ve had periods of ‘eradication’, people have come to confuse those two things together, i.e. elimination means getting back to zero cases. That’s never been the definition of the original elimination strategy … we are continuing to try and pursue Covid-19, we are continuing to try and drive cases out.”
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/10/13/elimination-strategy-remains-outbreak-to-grow-says-hipkins/

3 – back to suppression again – 5 hours ago
“… we are unlikely to get back to zero cases in the New Zealand community”
Govt shrugs off expert pleas for Level 4, expects cases to spike

The Government is now looking to change the Covid-19 response to suit a new high-caseload, high-vaccination world where elimination is unlikely to be reached, Marc Daalder reports
Analysis: Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins has effectively ruled out a return to Level 4 in Auckland, in doing so disappointing public health experts who had urged the Government to engage in a hard “circuit-breaker” lockdown.
Instead, he warned that Aucklanders would have to prepare for more cases of the virus and that the Government will be changing Covid-19 measures to take into account both higher vaccination rates and the reality that cases are likely to spike.

New measures for new strategy
Among the changes: a potentially accelerated timeline for changes to MIQ requirements for incoming, vaccinated travellers and move away from placing community cases in MIQ facilities, as the expected rise in cases would otherwise exhaust availability in the system.
“We are actively considering our MIQ settings in light of the fact that we are unlikely to get back to zero cases in the New Zealand community,” Hipkins said during the 1pm Covid-19 update.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-shrugs-off-expert-pleas-for-level-4-expects-cases-to-spike
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October 14, 2021 10:26am
- krazykiwi
  
  Picture the head of a pin, and then picture an Ardern-led miniature clown show dancing on it.
  
  We’re witnessing a flailing, desperate attempt to maintain control of the narrative .
  
  And it’s not working.
  
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  October 14, 2021 11:01am
westernScientest

Does anyone have a link to ACTs actual position on the mandate of vaccines by the state?

Pre the announcement on Monday, their position was, it should be up to the private business, and they should not face any legal action either way. But they never clarified their position regarding the state mandating it on sectors or on public servants.

I have seen various comments that ACT support the state mandating vaccines on public servants and on state contractors online, but I cant find them actually saying it anywhere. So is it just an extension from people pissed off that ACT didn’t oppose private businesses having the choice, or is it that I just cant find any statements on it?
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October 14, 2021 11:01am
Maggie Pie

Twitter bezzie ‘Gilda’ is one of the most dazzling people in the 09.
Coolest ever ‘Real Housewife of Auckland’
Just not sure about her vaxx stance tbh….

https://twitter.com/Strange_G/status/1448245610537099267
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October 14, 2021 11:07am
Yvette

They are out there …
Trump supporter running for office suggests removing all the world’s boats could lower sea levels – from the US Navy’s Gerald R Ford Class battleships, I guess, to canoes off Fiji?

Scott Pio, a Donald Trump supporter running for the state legislature in Virginia, floated the idea on Twitter earlier this week. After being mocked, he deleted the tweet.
“That’s unfathomable, incomprehensible stupidity, right up there with Trump nuking hurricanes,” one person wrote.

• Global sea level has been rising over the past century, and the rate has increased in recent decades. In 2014, global sea level was 2.6 inches above the 1993 average—the highest annual average in the satellite record (1993-present). Sea level continues to rise at a rate of about one-eighth of an inch [3.175 mm] per year.

Perspective –
If the Hikurangi subduction zone off New Zealand’s North Island east coast ruptures like the very similar Hokotu Zone off Japan did in March 2011, it could produce a tsunami about 30 metres (98 feet) high, without world shipping being the slightest factor in that, expect how far inland some vessels may be strewn or stranded.
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October 14, 2021 11:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If China does it, Biden will do it//
  
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  October 14, 2021 2:14pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Global sea level has been rising over the past century, and the rate has increased in recent decades.
  
  Small point of order for readers. Sea level change is always accelerating. Or decelerating. Or doing neither. The fastest rate of recent rise was between 1920 and 1950.
  
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  October 14, 2021 2:46pm
Southern Raider

So despite Cindy and Chippy giving us no clear guidance on what the target actually is (because of the Herald everyone assumes it’s 90% but never been confirmed), the language this week has changed

This change may be subtle but it will have a devastating impact on Auckland. Chippy has slipped in “across all ethnicities” after 90%

How the fuck can we be locked down until Māori get to 90%
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October 14, 2021 12:07pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  c.413,889 are holding us to ransom mate ~7% of the population
  
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  October 14, 2021 2:30pm
ecco

Why is the article in the Ferald with Act surging in the UMR poll and Seymour increasing in popularity not hidden behind their paywall?
This is deliberate move on the Ferald editor’s part. It is an UMR Labour poll.

One can see there is going to be a concerted effort by the MSM, on Ardern’s behalf, via the bribe fund, to increase Seymour’s popularity and profile, ostensibly at the cost of National. That’s very clear to see. I like Seymour, but Nats are not going to get a fair rap on MSM coverage.

You can see with all the stealth techniques used by the bought out MSM many NZers aren’t really getting to read any of the criticisms of Ardern and Labour. They are all hidden behind the Ferald paywall or there just aren’t any negative Labour articles whatsoever in the case of Stuffed.

This manipulation of political media coverage makes a huge difference on the margins to what the average NZer is reading about the Covid response of Labour. ie they are all STILL drinking Ardern’s koolaid.
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October 14, 2021 12:08pm
- greybeard
  
  At least we have Hosking, Kate and HDPA doing a decent job for us.
  
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  October 14, 2021 1:26pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    RIP Plunkett, Banks, Williams . . .
    
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    October 14, 2021 11:57pm
- krazykiwi
  
  The use of the paywall is appears blatant, but there’s no hard data. I don’t subscribe, but it would make interesting analysis to have the political partiality of articles scored (there’s AI for this), and then the fee vs paywalled placement analysed.
  
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  October 14, 2021 2:38pm
- Isobar
  
  Probably because they didnt pay for those respective public polls, so they can hardly charge for sharing their results – especially when other outlets that dont have paywalls share them too.
  
  I dont get why as well why people are so afraid that people seeing the results is a bad thing. It might actually be the push that National needs to up its game and renew to become relevant again.
  
  Wanting to hide the results from as many eyeballs as possible does nothing to address the big problems at the core of why the party is doing so terribly in the first place.
  
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  October 14, 2021 4:03pm
krazykiwi

This is what results from a state originated self-evaluation of performance. From Noah Carl: –

Yesterday, two committees of the House of Commons (the Health and Social Care Committee, and the Science and Technology Committee) published a long report titled ‘Coronavirus: lessons learned to date’. The report draws on evidence from over 50 witnesses, as well as 400 written submissions, and its conclusions were “agreed unanimously” by the members of both committees. Although the report deals with various aspects of the UK’s response to the pandemic, I will focus here on its discussion of lockdown, which I found to be woefully inadequate.

In short, the report takes for granted that lockdown was the right policy, and in fact argues that Britain should have locked down earlier in March of 2020. It makes no attempt to evaluate the scientific evidence on lockdown efficacy, gives no consideration to focused protection as an alternative strategy, and shows no interest in weighing up the total costs and benefits of lockdown. Indeed, none of the following terms appear anywhere in the report: ‘cost-benefit analysis’, ‘collateral damage’, ‘civil liberties’, ‘focused protection’, ‘Great Barrington Declaration’.
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October 14, 2021 12:09pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Krazykiwi the world is run by people who are not interested in the wellbeing of the people they are only interested in their self image and how it hangs in the cyber landscape.
  
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  October 14, 2021 1:06pm
- I remember when
  
  In the first UK covid wave March/July there were 41,252 deaths.
  This is just under 30% of their total deaths to date.
  So 70% of their deaths, or 96,828, have happened during subsequent waves.
  It would seem to be a hard ask to suggest that lockdowns are the answer.
  Is there, in fact, a need to study whether the use of self isolation in the first wave may have reduced later numbers.
  Everyone seems to be thinking there will be a serious flu season because of isolation, but not considering covid results in the same way.
  
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  October 14, 2021 2:41pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I see that the incoming Norwegian Prime Minister, from the Labour Party, has said “I believe that calling time on our oil and gas industry is the wrong industrial policy and the wrong climate policy”.

And so Norway will continue to issue permits for exploration and drilling.

To think this is happening on the eve of COP26.

Will Jacinda continue to compare our energy and climate choices with those of Norway?
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October 14, 2021 12:45pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  All of their social policy is paid for by their State owned oil & gas industry. Turning that money off would destroy their economy.
  
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  October 14, 2021 1:44pm
- cmm
  
  Norway have a huge social programme that runs on oil/gas revenue. It is also a massive employer, with 6% of the population working in or for the sector (compared to say 1.5% in NZ working in agriculture).
  
  They know that if they reduced oil production it would increase their unemployment to about 20% and they would lose their ability to fund social programmes.
  
  Nobody will go anywhere near that.
  
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  October 14, 2021 3:08pm
- Jack5
  
  The Norwegians have been prudent with their oil income.
  
  Since 1990 they have funnelled oil income into two sovereign funds, which together comprise Government Pension Fund Global. Its assets are worth more than $US1.3 trillion – or about $US250,000 per Norwegian citizen.
  
  The current market value of GPFG is the equivalent in Norwegian krone of $NZ1.926 trillion.
  
  The population of Norway is 5,475,092, compared with New Zealand’s estimated 5,122,600.
  
  If the GPFG were owned by New Zealand it would represent about $NZ376,000 for each person in NZ.
  
  GPFG has invested in more than 9,100 companies over 73 countries, both in equities and bonds, and also has currency holdings.
  
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  October 14, 2021 9:09pm
Stu2

Lots of unlinked cases still from yesterday, and public health resources assisting Auckland from elsewhere.

System straining?
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October 14, 2021 1:08pm
- westernScientest
  
  or just half of the people with it dont bother getting tested, because why would you? so lots of unlinked because there are 2 or 3 missing people in the chain of transmission.
  
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  October 14, 2021 2:05pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I think this is right
    People have got it, didn’t get ill, and because of the drama that would ensue, say and do nothing.
    
    We should be mass testing to see how many of us have actually had it. I bet its a lot.
    Its clear there are quite a few who have hesitancy about this Vaccine.
    If many in that group have had Covid already, and we knew how many, then that would increase the number protected and assist the argument to open up.
    Maybe all those young Maori they are chasing are fine- because they have had it.
    
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    October 14, 2021 3:37pm
- cmm
  
  Unlinked cases are tips of icebergs because they show there’s a whole hidden bunch of cases to be discovered.
  
  If I was modelling this, I would put a huge weighting factor on unlinked cases. eg. 1 unlinked case = 10x the value of a linked case.
  
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  October 14, 2021 3:11pm
Fletch

Paraphrasing the famous Niemöller quotation –

First they came for the health workers, and I did not speak out—because I was not a health worker.

Then they came for the teachers, and I did not speak out— because I was not a teacher.

Then they came for the construction workers, and I did not speak out—because I was not a construction worker.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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October 14, 2021 1:45pm
- rockape
  
  But then they come for me. And I have 25 years in the infantry, and that’s where they would be stopped.
  
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  October 14, 2021 4:56pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Sitting at home sharpening your bayonet, are you?
    
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    October 14, 2021 7:28pm
Yvette

ICU beds
The Government’s first focus throughout the pandemic has been political choreography, not the public health response, writes Peter Dunne. So stand by for a change in narrative

… because we had apparently done so well in “eliminating” the virus, making sure we had enough intensive care beds to cope should there ever be a major outbreak also took a back seat. We even reduced the numbers of available beds, in proportionate terms, to far fewer beds than available in Britain, Australia or Germany.

… Woeful vaccination rates were one thing but when it became clear according to Ministry of Health figures that the numbers of ICU beds had been reduced from 358 beds in July last year to 284 today, there had been no increase in ICU staffing for 18 months, and the NZ Medical Association’s call a year ago for a co-ordinated national ICU strategy had been ignored, the Government’s indolence began to look scandalous.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-needs-a-new-story-on-covid – updated August 27, 2021

Two days ago, Little told Morning Report since the start of the pandemic about 100 ICU beds had been added nationally.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/10/13/little-unfazed-by-icu-capacity-concerns-says-extra-nurses-being-trained/

Is that 100 beds added to 358 in July last year, or 284 ‘today’: August 27, 2021?

“If we had to provide additional surge capacity to convert beds for ICU-level care then as a result of the work that started at the end of last year the DHBs tell us they can surge that up to 550 beds – that would be at the cost of other treatment and other patient care.” Little said

But nowhere that I can see in the 1-News article “Little unfazed by ICU capacity concerns, says extra nurses being trained”, any statement either by Little or the RNZ writer, WHAT THE NUMBER OF ICU BEDS ARE TODAY!
One or other, or both, are bloody useless
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October 14, 2021 1:57pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Well sleuthed again, Yvette. This is one of the most glaring failures of the Ardern government’s handling of this crisis.
  
  We were implored to stay home for three weeks to flatten the curve (so the health system would not be overrun). The three weeks turned into months, and all the while the capacity of the health system was allowed to diminish.
  
  Treachery. No better word for it.
  
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  October 14, 2021 3:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cunning as shithouse rats
  
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  October 14, 2021 4:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ad. “I do not have that information right now”
    Reality, ‘It is under my deskpad, I put it there. So I do not have that information right now’
    More from GR. I have not been given those results/numbers yet.
    Chippie. I will have to wait for those results.
    Joe Public. Ok ok ok we will wait until tomorrow ……. //
    
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    October 14, 2021 4:33pm
NoFax

Looks like the government has announced a massive change in approach. Health Minister Andrew Little had a press conference today which spells out the change. Interesting this is delivered by him and not the PM who appears to be MIA.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/10/modelling-shows-5300-covid-19-cases-per-week-in-2022-here-s-how-infected-will-be-cared-for.html
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October 14, 2021 2:03pm
westernScientest

unpopular opinion, I think I rather Cindy to Robo.

Listen to the press conference he is such a horrible individual. His condescension puts cindys to shame.
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October 14, 2021 2:04pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @western-
  OK, get rid of Ms Ardern somehow ( I see petitions circulating now to that effect) and replace her with?
  I’m not a great fan of Ms Ardern’s style or results, but those around her are even worse.
  Imagine the windbag Robertson as PM, or the unlikeable Little.
  Megan Woods- no way.
  Hipkins – who could trust him?
  The talent pool is very shallow at chez Labour HQ.
  
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  October 14, 2021 4:01pm
I remember when

What a race.
Looks like it will go down to the wire.
The Donald Trump versus Joe Biden Covid-19 deaths.
Joe’s team say Donald’s supporters are dying to ruin their efforts.
Donald’s team say Joe has the benefit of the vaccines produced during his term.
Donald Trump = 429,869
Joe Biden = 309,727
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October 14, 2021 2:08pm
- fernglas
  
  I knew the US president was powerful, but I didn’t realise they had the power to kill people.
  
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  October 14, 2021 7:10pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Oh, US presidents have killed plenty of people.
    
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    October 14, 2021 7:27pm
surfing

I see there is a furore over the name of the James Webb telescope…

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-needs-to-rename-the-james-webb-space-telescope/

How many of today’s newly constructed streets/buildings/statues/places will have to be renamed/demolished tomorrow because people’s values have inevitably shifted.
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October 14, 2021 2:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  People have been demolishing or renaming things since the beginning of recorded history. Why would that change now?
  
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  October 14, 2021 3:26pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yep the woke-taliban reveling in blowing up statues dear to those who don’t adhere to the one true faith. Just like the Buddhas of Bamiyan in 2001
    
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    October 14, 2021 4:29pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m pretty sure the statues of many Roman emperors were cancelled by their (experrectus?) successors.
      
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      October 14, 2021 5:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The price of petrol is now so high, it is actually cheaper to buy cocaine and run everywhere
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October 14, 2021 2:51pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  No need to go to extremes, Steve. You could just cycle.
  
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  October 14, 2021 3:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stupid boy. You know nothing about this. Or have you discovered some new energy? When you get more than you put in?
    You POOR brainwashed socialist
    
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    October 14, 2021 4:37pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I think you need to ask Kev O’Brien. He’s the one keen on zero-point energy.
      
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      October 14, 2021 5:28pm
MARK

Interesting reading in the Peter Ellis case that the Crown held back a letter to the Defence from Dr Karen Zelas, their expert witness. It appears Zelas raised serious concerns about the potential contamination of accounts given by a child in his evidential interviews because of intense questioning about abuse by his parents and siblings. Note that since her retirement she was become a writer of fiction. I think her actual testimony was a piece of fiction.. Huge miscarriage of justice…
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October 14, 2021 2:53pm
gump

I see that Ron Brierley is going to prison to prison for being a dirty old nonce.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126675998/ron-brierley-sentenced-to-14-months-in-jail-over-childabuse-images
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October 14, 2021 3:10pm
- David Garrett
  
  gump: Yes…but by some miracle, he now is apparently no longer attracted to pre-pubescent girls…remarkable. If I say what I hope would happen to him in jail I’d get a smack from the milk monitors.
  
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  October 14, 2021 4:10pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That’s okay David, we all understand your desire for offenders to be assaulted or murdered in prison.
    
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    October 14, 2021 5:27pm
WaveyDavey

Poor old Bernard

Bernard is regretting his life choices

Bernard blames everyone else for his poor life choices

Bernard’s a bit of dick.

Don’t be like Bernard

https://twitter.com/bernardchickey/status/1448150370966904832?s=20
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October 14, 2021 3:36pm
- mandk
  
  Poor old Bernard, indeed.
  
  He also has other stuff to regret. He was absolutely thrilled when Winston First appointed Cindy as the PM.
  
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  October 14, 2021 4:21pm
Maggie Pie

Sir Ron sentenced to 14 months – back to Point Piper in seven.
Actually, my partner reckons he was unlucky to have been busted in Oz rather than Aotearoa..
Chances are, he would have struck a soft-c*ck dudge here.
Like the one that ‘felt pity’ for the pedo yesterday…. and sent him home with his mum rather than doing a tour of duty.
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October 14, 2021 3:41pm
- David Garrett
  
  Indeed Maggie…the dirty [banned noun] is lucky he only got 14 months. Do they have the same “all sentences two years and under cut in half” system over there, or are you just guessing??
  
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  October 14, 2021 4:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Sentenced to 14 with 7 non-parole.
    Assume he wont play up ?
    
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    October 14, 2021 4:57pm
Yvette

Are all of today’s cases in Auckland?
Thursday, October 14 – media release
• Number of new community cases: 71
• Location of new community cases: Auckland 71
https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/71-community-cases-covid-19-one-case-border-87-percent-aucklanders-have-one-vaccine-dose

Latest on COVID-19 community outbreak – Thursday, October 14
COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins had told The AM Show there were “positive” signs Waikato could shift to alert level 2, but Cabinet decided against the move after two new cases were reported in Hamilton – both of which have yet to be linked to the outbreak
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/10/coronavirus-latest-on-covid-19-community-outbreak-thursday-october-14.html
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October 14, 2021 4:19pm
Yvette

Japan success
While today Auckland has 71 new Covid-19 community cases in this Delta outbreak –

On Monday, Tokyo (13.96 million) reported 49 cases, the lowest daily figure since late June last year, while the nationwide count was 369 (of 125,983,314 population)

Experts say no single factor can explain the extraordinary turnaround in Japan’ fortunes.

But there is broad consensus that after a frustratingly slow start, its vaccination rollout has transformed into an impressive public health campaign that has met with little of the resistance that has slowed the rollout in the US, despite Japan’s complicated historical relationship with inoculations.

To date, Japan has administered Covid vaccines to protect almost 70% of its 126 million population.

The government has said that vaccines will have been given to everyone who wants them by November, while this week the new prime minister, Fumio Kishida, said booster shots would be offered from December, beginning with medical workers and older people.

Another factor cited by experts is the widespread wearing of masks – a habit ingrained during pre-pandemic flu seasons. As other countries drop requirements for face coverings in indoor and other settings, most Japanese still shudder at the thought of venturing out maskless.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/13/back-from-the-brink-how-japan-became-a-surprise-covid-success-story

Seems as simple as vaccinations and masks.
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October 14, 2021 4:21pm
Yvette

Brian Tamaki has vowed to return to the Auckland Domain this Saturday for a “family picnic”.
“If other families also happen to be having picnics nearby, carrying signs and chanting, it’s nothing to do with me”, he said. Responding to reports that a local Countdown had received an order for 5000 Tip Top loaves and the same number of frozen fish, he said “God will provide. And luckily God has a One Card.”

Asked if he was getting carried away by messiah-like delusions, Mr Tamaki replied: “This week the same day I was in court we had a 5.3 magnitude earthquake. Coincidence? Or was God trying to say something? Something like ‘give Brian a suspended sentence without a fine’, something like that.”
https://www.stuffednz.net/post/brian-tamaki-orders-1000-loaves-and-fishes-for-family-picnic?postId=901cd050-34e1-4e94-a1b1-d33f434742d5

I read all that is quoted here, believing it, until I realised it is satire.
John 8: 32 “and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” but, in this case, you will also beith deeply disappointed. I thought, “Great!” but then I also thought, “Why not buy just five loaves and two fish, and wrought a modern miracle and save the One Card, but ‘No’ – none of it true! Bugger!”
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October 14, 2021 4:50pm
Fletch

Latest Medsafe update –

Deaths from Covid – 28
Reported deaths from Pfizer vaccine – 75

https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-30.asp

(And yes I know, they say, oh we can’t prove there was any connection blah, blah…)
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October 14, 2021 5:03pm
- septic skeptic
  
  A couple of years back if anyone had said that inability to grasp basic statistics could be fatal, it would have seemed absurd. But here we are!
  
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  October 14, 2021 7:17pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  I’m not vaccinated for Covid19 so not likely to be a vaccine promoter.
  
  Look at the statistics of 28 deaths due to Covid19 and 75 deaths due to the Covid19 vaccine.
  
  As of today there are 4472 confirmed Covid19 cases in New Zealand since the first case. Over 6 million Covid19 vaccinations have been delivered in New Zealand.
  
  Using these numbers your chances of dying from Covid19 as a percentage is hugely higher than your chances of dying from the Covid19 vaccine 28/4472=0.62% vs 75/6,000,000=0.0013%.
  
  So your chances of dying from the vaccine is a whole lot less than your chance of dying of Covid19.
  
  You might argue that there are a lot of people who have gotten Covid19 but have not been reported. Let’s assume that is correct and re-do the calculations. Lets assume that there are 100 people that actually got Covid19 for every person that was confirmed to have gotten Covid19 (99% didn’t know they had it).
  
  Then the statistics becomes 28/447200=0.00626% vs 0.0013%. You are still much more likely to die from Covid19 than the vaccine.
  
  So why am I still not vaccinated? No-one around me is catching Covid19 at the moment and no-one is dying around me at the moment. The longer I wait the more information will be available. Both on the safety of the vaccine and the efficacy of the vaccine. It is apparent that the efficacy of the vaccine falls off pretty quickly so if I wait to get vaccinated I will be less likely to be seriously affected if the vaccine induced antibodies are still strong when I do get infected. I’m also hopeful that a real vaccine will become available.
  
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  October 14, 2021 7:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Mongrel mobster wants to be a shining beacon for younger folk …when he gets out of prison.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126684057/man-with-177-convictions-and-fortunate-not-to-be-convicted-of-murder-aims-to-be-a-an-example-to-younger-people
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October 14, 2021 5:17pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  He could be worse I suppose – vowing to reoffend as an example to younger gang prospects.
  
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  October 14, 2021 5:24pm
Maggie Pie

Even I remember hearing this back in the 80’s 😛

https://twitter.com/NEWS_MAKER/status/1448473612600610819
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October 14, 2021 5:32pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING 1Ewes…..

Just saw the vid of the 2 women that went to Blenheim.

My partner reckoned they looked like a couple of old Wuhan Bats.

LOL!!
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October 14, 2021 6:11pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: See if you can post a link to a pic of these “sex workers”…
  
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  October 14, 2021 7:16pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    So the Asian /Chinese ladies who travelled to Blenheim get named & shamed
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/10/14/auckland-women-appear-in-court-after-breaking-level-3-rules-to-travel-to-blenheim/
    
    but nothing (no court appearances) by the 2 females who travelled to Northland.
    I wonder why.
    (That’s rhetorical, folks)
    
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    October 14, 2021 7:35pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Maggy: Yes indeed…a couple of poor Chinese, can’t afford a lawyer to get them name suppression…as opposed to a couple of Mob whores from an outfit that now has a PR person, and someone “Jacinda trusts” (he told us so)
      
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      October 14, 2021 8:19pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      Well, we know that the Queenstown pair that were vilified but didn’t spread covid were Caucasian.
      Now the Blenheim pair that it would also appear have not spread covid are Asian.
      What race the Northland pair that actually had covid? I guess we can’t reveal that. It would be racist.
      
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      October 14, 2021 8:22pm
ecco

Listened to Des Gorman on HDPA Drive show. The guy is so good to listen to for an objective perspective from a health professional on the government’s covid response. He thought it was ill advised of Robertson to come out today basically admonishing the Auckland public for transgressing his 9 week lockdown rules. Gorman said it won’t work taking that attitude towards the public and treating them like kindigarten kids. (Anyway the real transgressors don’t listen to Robertson on the radio. Need to go deep into some of those suburbs where covid is running wild to deliver that message but Robertson wouldn’t dare do that as they are his voters).

Gorman also said trying to go for pie in the sky vaccine targets isn’t going to work. Everyone who wants to get vaccinated will have been very shortly. He said some tension would need to be bought into the system by say 1 December to up the vaccination rates. ie Government would need to show some leadership around vax/unvax rules.

Very interesting also that he said that he thinks ICU would cope. It’s just that some people are not going to end up being treated with ICUs full, either their illnesses will get detected too late or else they won’t get hospital treatment, and they are the ones who will carry the can.

If you believe in the vaccination route it’s worth listening to Des’s commentary.
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October 14, 2021 6:19pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Des Gorman has spoken to my service club a number of times.
  Very impressive man who calls a spade a spade and doesnt tolerate fools gladly.
  
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  October 14, 2021 7:25pm
- ecco
  
  “(Anyway the real transgressors don’t listen to Robertson on the radio. Need to go deep into some of those suburbs where covid is running wild to deliver that message but Robertson wouldn’t dare do that as they are his voters)”
  
  Just to clarify, the above are my thoughts, not Des’s!!
  
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  October 14, 2021 8:48pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126684057/man-with-177-convictions-and-fortunate-not-to-be-convicted-of-murder-aims-to-be-a-an-example-to-younger-people
This piece of shit should be taken to the nearest rubbish tip and shot.
How many hundreds of New Zealanders will be required to look after this excrement: feeding him, giving medical and dental support, pandering to his every wish.
They will be wasting their own lives. For years.
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October 14, 2021 6:20pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yet another worthy recipient of Labor’s $2.75mil taxpayer handout.
  
  Say it Cindy…..”The Mighty Mongrel Mob”
  
  I DARE YA’ BABE!!
  
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  October 14, 2021 6:59pm
- David Garrett
  
  greybeard: Watch what you say mate…Ol’ Milky will have a go at you for having nasty thoughts about what should happen to violent criminals
  
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  October 14, 2021 7:14pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You are free to indulge your violent fantasies, David. Kiwiblog is your safe space for that.
    
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    October 14, 2021 7:25pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I am confident that most ethnic Chinese New Zealand residents, whether originally from China, Taiwan, or elsewhere, think that violent criminals – murderers, or men who cause brain damage by random punches, should be shot.
    
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    October 14, 2021 8:30pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Interesting. Do you think that applies down the multiple generations of Chinese New Zealanders?
      
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      October 14, 2021 8:48pm
fernglas

Can someone explain to me the logic of saying that those who test positive in NZ will be able to isolate in the community, while those returning from overseas, who are double jabbed and have a negative test, have to spend 14 days in MIQ? It’s got me stumped.
I’m pleased to see that HDPA agrees
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2021/10/hdpa-there-is-no-reason-kiwis-stuck.html#more
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October 14, 2021 7:17pm
Paul

This morning I had an email from my employer asking if I am vaccinated. Is this okay? Seems at odds with the BORA and Privacy Act.
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