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Benedict Yu

This is all about creating ethnic divisions. She is literally saying that people who are not Maori regard people of Maori ethnicity as “expendable”. It is quite a shocking claim.

“Māori Party co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer said the [COVID] plan showed “Māori were always expendable” as about 56 per cent of eligible Māori have one dose of the Pfizer vaccine, compared to 73 per cent of Pacific people and 79 per cent of all people aged 12 and over.”

….” The Government had underestimated the power of vaccine misinformation, she added.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126578513/covid19-opposition-parties-against-governments-threestep-plan-for-auckland

So she is saying that Maori are more prone to influence by misinformation than people of other ethnicities? That is patronising and insulting.

There is now no shortage of vaccine. How is any person of Maori ethnicity prevented from being vaccinated?

For whatever reason, many younger Maori don’t want to get vaccinated. Perhaps the leader of the Maori Party could offer some solutions instead of making racist statements and blaming colonisation.
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October 5, 2021 8:00am
- PhilBest
  
  Ha ha, if people of colour are more vulnerable to “misinformation”, that would explain their historical tendency to vote Left, wouldn’t it. These people are owning themselves with their stupid comments.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:04am
- Ra Henare
  
  The Maori Party seem to only have one response to anything RACISM,
  they dont employ any reasoned response. Its always the same.
  Thats why large numbers of Maori dont vote for them in preference to main stream parties
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:05am
  - G152
    
    The reason why the Maori Party sees everything as racist because that’s what they are.
    All parties in Parliament have many different races as members except the maori party
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:44am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  I don’t think the situation is as clear as that, Benedict.
  I have very little time for the Maori Party MPs and their pronouncement. They are speaking to their voters, and not to you or I.
  Being of Maori ethnicity in New Zealand is a fairly reliable proxy for challenging social and economic circumstance. All groups of the relatively poorer, less educated, etc are going to be much harder to reach than wealthier and better educated people.
  But this sort of conversation rapidly descends to the nonsense of attributing stereotypical qualities to different ethnic groups, and empowers the extremists of all kinds who want to see everything through a racial, even racist lens.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:10am
  - rouppe
    
    In which case the best strategy is that which many center and center right people advocate: personal responsibility.
    
    We should open up – or begin to – from December 1, at which time everyone has had equal opportunity to choose to be vaccinated. After that, your decision, your risk.
    
    I have a (non Maori) friend who doesn’t want to get vaccinated. Ok. So be it. His choice. Move on
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:28am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    So Maori are more deprived than Pacifica – Interesting take
    
    BTW I thought breaking down the populace into different ethnicities to tailor a specific response was only ever racist
    
    Pretty sure that was your argument the day before yesterday
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:39am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      “Comparing statistics by culture or race is unlikely to do anything other than shed light on the prejudices of those doing the comparisons.”
      
      Now who was it who said that?
      
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      October 5, 2021 8:45am
  - Aquataur
    
    Ah yes
    
    Our politicians, other than ACT, are therefore all extremists – as they inevitably see things thru a racial lens
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:16am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I agree with you to an extent. Maori are over represented in the poor outcomes metrics. For reasons we could talk about all day.
    
    But there are different factors at play here. Maori vaccination rates for Maori 65 plus are not significantly lower than for non Maori older folk. But for younger Maori, the rate crashes.
    
    TBH I have no issues with trying harder with younger Maori but I don’t know what gets through to them. But other people will know.
    
    However after all efforts have been made, it is time to say “Its on you”. I don’t want the Maori Party crying “racist” on low vaccination rates 6 months from now. I am not hopeful.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:35am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yeah – if that happens the Maori Party will cry racism and others will say everyone had the same chance to get vaccinated. Both stories will be wrong.
      
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      October 5, 2021 11:41am
- Maggie's partner
  
  Benedict, when you, as an institution, and also as a leader, depend up on racial division for your future (and future prosperity), there’s no margin in diverting from the narrative. Everything that can be considered disadvantageous is and always will be the fault of racism and colonisation as far as these twerps are concerned.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:12am
  - RockyJ
    
    That is an accurate observation. All organisations purporting to represent Maori only ever and always promote exclusively for Maori. Judged by those actions Maori would seem to be the most self-centred, selfish bunch of people in NZ.
    Read articles in Te Tangata by young Maori and it is depressing how absorbed they all are in themselves. It must be something learned young, to self-pity and use this as justification for normalising handouts as the way things are done.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:20am
    - Taieri
      
      All organisations purporting to represent Maori only ever and always promote exclusively for Maori.
      ——————
      
      Not quite. These organizations exist mostly to promote the interest of their most prominent members.
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:16am
- Cinematic
  
  She’s an idiot.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:13am
  - rouppe
    
    And that hat!
    
    What is up with that?
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:07am
    - oldfella
      
      I think she fiddles in a steam punk band at weekends. That explains the image.
      
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      October 5, 2021 11:30am
- kowtow
  
  Yer but the Ferald’s Derek Cheng says Ardern has pushed young Maoris to the front line .
  He also makes it appear that these people need a chance to “catch up” with the rest of the vaxxed .
  
  Very flawed logic . no one has stopped anyone from getting vaxxed . There are no barriers.
  And of course the old media lie implying that racism is again at play .
  
  Media Pardy neo marxist tosh.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:13am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Don’t quite agree there kowtow. Up this way pre-delta young Maori were being turned away at the door apart from the whanau providers who opened up to all comers rather than waste supplies.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:06am
    - Hollyfield
      
      That’s because the slow rollout and lack of vaccine meant it was targeted to those most at risk, the elderly. Until 1st September, two weeks after Delta had arrived, young people of all ethnicities were turned away.
      
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      October 5, 2021 9:36am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      If true, that’s a shocking and disturbing allegation.
      Citation/more information please. In particular, were they being turned away because they were Maori, or because they were young?
      
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      October 5, 2021 9:37am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Young as in outside central gov’t priority “policy” rather than medsafe “eligible age” approval – see my response to kowtow below. Hollyfield’s got it but not all providers turned the young away.
        
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        October 5, 2021 12:54pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Your subsequent clarification makes it absolutely clear that Maori have not been discriminated against as regards vaccine availability, contrary to your initial assertion.
        
        If you want to make the case that they haven’t been discriminated for strongly enough, you can probably do so. But you’d need first to make the case as to why such discrimination is necessary.
        
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        October 5, 2021 1:34pm
    - coge
      
      Where is your evidence?
      
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      October 5, 2021 9:46am
    - kowtow
      
      Surely all youngsters were being turned away as at that time it was targetting the ‘vulnerable”
      
      Your assertion requires some clarification.
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:52am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        If you go to Herald/Advocate articles around May/June? you’ll find evidence of whanua providers opening up to all comers irrespective of ethnicity and age/vulnerability status. Members of my extended family, (non maori and some of them under forty were vaxxed) back then. There was insufficient uptake in key target demographic so better to give to those outside target demo than waste. The non whanua providers didn’t open up the same way.
        So no not all youngsters.
        My bad for not being specific to “no one has stopped anyone from getting vaxxed”
        Tried to qualify original comment with “Don’t quite agree”, “pre-delta”. Guess I stuffed up there.
        
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        October 5, 2021 12:05pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Racial medical prioritisation and identity politics itself causes hesitancy. Pushing a single ethnicity to the front of the queue while targeting their neighbourhoods and bribing them with kfc and other prizes for a new technology vaccine , surely leaves them wondering in the early phase if it’s a gift or if they’re guinea pigs. All people respond to honest discussion about the risks and benefits .
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:42am
- Lipo
  
  What is the percentage of Maori DNA where this problem manifest in the population?
  Like is it over 50% Maori DNA and you suffer some condition that you cant understand vaccine information
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:16am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Pretty sure there aren’t enough of that percentage to make up a statistically significant cohort
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:12am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    I don’t know but it looks like you only need about 25% and some face ink to lead the Maori Party.
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:13am
- crikey
  
  “She is literally saying that people who are not Maori regard people of Maori ethnicity as “expendable”.
  
  A sweeping generalisation that is totally self-serving bullshit. I would wager that many non-Maori recognise there are many good and capable Maori who are making their way very well in the world. Ngarewa-Packer, on the other hand, probably sees no good in any non-Maori and would like them to be expendable, or even expended.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:22am
  - Unity
    
    Seeing the Maori side of these people are having problems perhaps they should start elevating their ‘other’ side then they can progress like everyone else and be responsible for themselves!! I’m so sick and tired of hearing ‘maori’ this and ‘maori’ that as though it is a problem. They are people for heavens sake and are perfectly capable of being the same as the rest of us.
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:46am
    - Nickc2
      
      When you have a Govt that indicates one section of society is more deserving of handouts than others, you create division and resentment.
      IMO, let’s make the great RESET part and parcel of the next election whereby a case is made for a halt to all dole, sickness, and dependence benefits, reset the criteria for each category and invite past recipients re-apply.
      Those who qualify under the new criteria will not only be deserving recipients but there may even be more money to be spread around, or we could make payments towards reducing our national debt.
      Those who fail to qualify, tough luck, they have sucked off the public tit for too long. GET A JOB!
      If we pursue this idea, there will be a reduction in the necessity to import foreigners to undertake work that our previously unemployed would not.
      
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      October 5, 2021 12:32pm
- Raphael
  
  This is what the Victim mindset does. It’s always someone else’s fault for XYZ happening.
  Unless you take responsibility for your own actions, instead of blaming the actions of others (in some cases what someone long dead did to someone else long dead) for your failings there will never be any progress.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:29am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Such a pity that the spokesperson in these matters appears to be such an unmitigated moron, for there are important issues here that need thoughtful, open minded debate.
  
  Isn’t there anybody in public life who is intelligent and patient enough to develop, and explain in a clear, courteous and non-judgemental way, what the issues around racism actually are these days?
  
  It appears that it’s no longer the ideal to treat everybody the same regardless of their race. One can see that that can be problematic, when the way in which you wish to treat everybody, is your way. (Imagine fish unable to understand what would be wrong with holding all the important meetings underwater. Some mammals, eg dolphins, would be fine with that, why shouldn’t other mammals do the same?).
  
  OK, so if that’s not what we should be aiming for- what is? Are we looking to develop a single system which does work for everybody, or two or more systems so that each individual gets to participate in the one that suits them? Separate meetings on land and in water (and up trees, and in deserts, and high up in mountains, etc); or underwater meetings where the mammals are provided with scuba gear, or land meetings with mobile fish tanks?
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:54am
- artemisia
  
  Have to admit that with two MPs the Maori Party get a lot of media attention. Quite smart.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:08am
- all true
  
  All in the EU have their borders open and most of them they are not so much worried about the cases, now they are rather looking at the level of hospitalisation.
  Expect Portugal no one has reached more than 80% fully vaccinated.
  Plus in the models are some major flaws, it does not consider the overall health of the population.
  Here most of the Pacifica People and Maoris are more in unhealthy state of affairs, most of them are heavily OB’s, low immune system, not favourable diet etc.
  That’s most likely one of the main reason the latest outbreak happen in South Auckland.
  And by now NZ Government should understand there is no way out thru an elimination strategies as they in the EU already discovered a long time ago.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:27am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I already posted that it wouldnt be long before 200 years of colonialism was trotted out as an excuse for Maori to not get vaccinated.
  
  The real reason is because they have been told for generations by successive Governmenst and others that they are “Special” and the rules dont apply to them. As a result they have become lazy self centred and selfish.
  
  As I also posted if they cared about their old people as we keep on being told they would get vaccinated to protect them.
  
  This scribble faced moron is the problem and the reason Maori feature in the wrong stats.
  She is not a leader . Maori have never had any leaders just pathetic losers trying and failing to make excuses for their inability to engage with Western civilisation.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:48am
- KevO'Brien
  
  She’s a Nobody, just a youthful activist trying to win her flag position.
  MMP’s strikes again.
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:45am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Not that young!
    
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    October 5, 2021 7:22pm
- Bob
  
  56 per cent of eligible Māori ……
  perhaps, like the 73% and 79% ethnicities MAORI could do something to help themselves.
  I have yet to hear from any significant Maori leadership member comments exhorting the tribe to get out of bed and go down to the Vaccination centre.
  Ngarewa-Packer could do her own credibility some good, if SHE was to start criticising her elders and spokespeople about their slovenliness over this matter.
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:40am
Warren

Government Covid-19 Roadmap slammedby other Parties.
Political Parties have slammed the Government’s plan to ease restrictions in Auckland, saying it creates confusion and puts vulnerable people at risk.
This has never been about people and the Prime Minister is kidding you if she has convinced you it is , this is about jacinda and Labour wit their internal polls and obviously it is showing the Prime Minister and Labour are losing control with the questions they are asking Aucklanders and that is political capital Jacinda Ardern can’t afford to lose in New Zealands largest City especially with the largest voting population.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/452907/government-s-covid-19-roadmap-slammed-by-other-parties
Jacinda Ardern and Labour are playing you if you think it’s about the people and they want to lesson the restrictions just for you, this is about power over honesty not about Aucklanders and how much they have suffered in the lockdowns.
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October 5, 2021 8:00am
- kowtow
  
  Anyone using the “puts vulnerable people at risk” critique is an idiot .
  
  “Vulnerable people ” have had plenty of time to get vaxxed , access to masks or should they chose a chance to lock themselves away .
  
  Now just open the f#ck up and let the country get back to normal , along with the rest of the world.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:35am
- lastmanstanding
  
  As regards the Covid roadmap Cindy et al are members of the Wherethefuckarewe Tribe.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:52am
  - oldfella
    
    @LMS
    The Wherethefuckarewe Tribe are based in Paketawhinau. They’re giving out Te Reo versions of Cindy’s roadmap with every bucket of KFC.
    Just don’t ask them for directions – they’re as confused as the rest of us.
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:50am
  - Bob
    
    or the “whatshappeninnow” brigade
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:52am
- Rich Prick
  
  I have some sympathy for the folk in the Democratic People’s Republic of Ardernistan. I doubt any thought they were voting for this.
  
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  October 5, 2021 12:14pm
Ra Henare

Is a high vax rate(90%) really the silver bullet as per the current NZ strategy

Remember the outcry with high cases & death rates
Belgium
India
Brazil
Indonesia
Sweden
and then those who were lauded for control of Covid
Singapore
Taiwan

So how is that all working out.
One would expect that the high vax countries should show a decline/very low death rate?
While Low vax rate countries should show more deaths. Higher death rate?
Seems logical.

Interestingly as at 5th October.
The death rate across all of them seems to have settled in the less than 1 death per day per million.
Note that Ireland amongst the highest vax rate,(and touted by TVNZ) breaks that rule and has death rate of 1.15 also that Taiwan at the lowest vax rate,, also lowest death rate.
Make your own judgement.
https://tinyurl.com/Sowhatvax from worldindata.org database

So whats so magic about 90% vax?
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October 5, 2021 8:01am
- kevn
  
  @Ra… ardern is just ‘reaching for the stars’.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:24am
  - sooty
    
    While holding her own out in front and up high!
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:19am
- krazykiwi
  
  There’s nothing magic about 90%. It is an arbitrary target Ardern has been advised is unattainable.
  
  This helps create a divided society where blame for any negative outcome can be laid at the feet of the untermenschlich unvaccinatued.
  
  The same people who worshiped Ardern as their saviour will, on cue, focus their opprobrium on the unvaccinated – without any basis in science and with vehemence fanned into flame by the state purchased media.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Divide and rule… that’s how the Labour Government plays it.
    
    Team of 5 million, be damned….
    They (unvaccinated, o/s kiwis,) are not us!
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:10am
    - Surely Knott
      
      The unvaccinated are the scapegoats to deflect blame from the govt. . The latest infected person from Raglan (I am assuming young because is in a boxing match) is unvaccinated – gasp
      
      If you were 16+ you were eligible for your first shot on 1 september so the 6 week recommended interval isn’t till the 14 Oct for your next shot.
      
      And if your 30 – 40 you were eligible on the 25th Aug so even if you got your shot on the first eligible day, the recommended interval for second shot isn’t till tomorrow.
      
      So stop scapegoating the young unvaccinated. It’s hardly like they’ve been procrastinating for months. And many maybe waiting to see the safety data which is still weeks late. And 19 death reports awaiting investigation starting in July of which we still have no details or assurances. The whole thing is a disgrace of scapegoating, authoritarianism and blame and bullying to force people to rush into a medical decision which for the young may not make sense.
      
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      October 5, 2021 4:58pm
  - marcw
    
    Currently the scapegoat is Brian Tamaki. If you believed half of the hysteria pushed out on the MSM yesterday you would think he had single-handedly released the Wu-flu on the world.
    
    Phil Goff continues to sully the mana of the Mayor of Auckland with his obnoxious personal political outbursts, disrespecting those thousands who chose to make a public statement by attending an OPEN AIR rally to make known their feelings on the stupidity of the current lockdown rules.
    
    I have no great admiration of Brian Tamaki, but sometimes people just need an outlet for understandable frustration.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:14am
    - Oldmate
      
      I have no love for Brian Tamaki. However, it seems to me that he is the only real man in NZ. No one else has the balls to stand up for freedom.
      
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      October 5, 2021 9:53am
    - Ruawai
      
      Jacinda herself has said now that outdoors is safe so unlikely the Brian Tamaki protest will be a super spreader event.
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:26am
      - Bob
        
        Not quite Ruawai…
        outdoors assemblies only become ‘non-spreaders’ following an edict from the ‘Throne of Truth’. This non spreader edict only becomes effective at after 2359 tonight; before that such events are spreaders.
        Marxist logic!
        
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        October 5, 2021 11:58am
      - Nickc2
        
        Ah, but Cindy didn’t like the posters. Arrest him . . . .
        
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        October 5, 2021 1:15pm
  - dannz
    
    No there is nothing magic about 90%.
    However the higher the vaccination rate, the fewer the restrictions are required to reduce the chance of the hospital system falling over.
    
    Believe it or not, it’s actually possible to be highly anti-Adern and pro-Vax at the same time.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:45am
    - krazykiwi
      
      dannz, that ‘hospital system falling over’ observation is practically a meme now.
      
      In every verified instance of overload (that I have found, so may not be exhaustive), those systems have regularly been overloaded in previous ILI seasons. In other words, capacity is insufficient for routinely expected peak loads.
      
      The solution, obviously, is to increase capacity rather than implementing futile, and societally damaging interventions to limit ‘demand’.
      
      The UK increased capacity with their temporary ‘Nightingale’ hospitals, most of which were decommissioned without caring for a single patient. By comparison, our government has overseen a reduction in ICU capacity while the pandemic played out. Go figure.
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:15am
      - dannz
        
        I completely agree that hospital capacity is one of the main solutions, and the goverment has screwed it up big time.
        
        I also believe high vaccination rates are a huge piece of the puzzle to reduce demand.
        
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        October 5, 2021 11:02am
    - 7kiwi11
      
      I had my anti-Ardern booster shots some time ago!
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:32am
      - dannz
        
        Was that mRNA or bourbon 🙂
        
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        October 5, 2021 11:04am
  - oldfella
    
    @kk
    Wait till the hatred for the unvaccinated really gathers steam and Cindy suddenly realises the people getting most of that hate are the chosen people (and Labour voters).
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:53am
- kowtow
  
  The magic is that figure was pulled from a hat and is just a conjurers tool .
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:37am
- waikatosinger
  
  The thinking once was that a high enough vax rate would ensure herd immunity. That is when enough people are immune that the disease can’t spread and dies out. You can calculate what percentage of the population would need to be vaccinated for that to occur, it is roughly (1-1/R) expressed as a percentage where R is the natural R value. R originally was estimated to be about 6 which would give a target of 87.5% to achieve herd immunity. The R value for delta is thought to be higher so you’d need more. Politicians liked that idea because it gave them a fixed target; just vaccinate a certain percentage of the population and job done.
  
  However all of this herd immunity calculation stuff became instantly obsolete once it became clear that vaccinated people could get infected and pass on the disease. Herd immunity is simply not achievable by vaccination in those conditions. However a lot of our politicians didn’t get the memo. They have fixated on the percentage vaccination target and lost sight of the real end game.
  
  The best end game for us now is different. It is to first make sure everyone who wants the vaccine has had a chance to get it; secondly to be stocked up and ready with treatments such as the treatment pack handed out in India for home treatment and supplies of monoclonal antibodies for hospital treatment of more serious cases. Then when we are ready we just open up.
  
  There would be an inevitable spike of cases to endure, hopefully without too many deaths, and once that is over we should reach the happy state where covid is just another mild respiratory illness circulating in the community and is no big deal.
  
  This is the only option left for us now. Endless lockdowns are not realistic. We have to pass through the fire to get to the other side.
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:17am
- Ed Snack
  
  Well, Singapore has close to 90% of their population with at least 1 jab, and has had a fairly strict mask mandate since April. That mandate is followed pretty well by almost everyone.
  
  So of course, since these are exactly the tactics being prescribed to us, Singapore has few cases and dropping, right ?
  
  Well, actually, cases are up by 5000% since August, and they are still rising. That’s from a low base, but still a pretty astronomical increase.
  
  So, tell me again how vaccination and masks are supposed to help…?
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:40am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    There will be more cases in an environment where everybody is vaccinated and there are no lockdowns or any other restrictions on normal life, than there will in an environment where nobody is vaccinated and there are strong lockdowns and heavy restrictions on normal life.
    
    Which do you want?
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:28pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

This recent study shows that the jabbed are more susceptible to Covid variants because their immune system has been instructed to attack only the one strain of Covid, whereas unjabbed people have memory T-cell immunity if they have had Covid. This is totally consistent with the “leaky vaccine” article I posted twice here, related to chickens. Here are the relevant links:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/10/03/there-it-is-study-finds-predominance-of-antibody-resistant-sars-cov-2-variants-in-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-in-san-francisco-bay-area/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22036-z

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715
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October 5, 2021 8:01am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Teachers Day!
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October 5, 2021 8:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Celebrate teachers!
  
  They provided you with the means to read Mikes post.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:39am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    And the means to correct you – ‘Mike’s post’.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:53am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Or in many cases today, make sure that you can physically read but not understand Mikey’s post except as an expression of racism…..
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:42am
  - kowtow
    
    Celebrate our Tommies and Jolly Jack Tars , that’s why we’re reading in English.
    
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    October 5, 2021 12:47pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That’s an odd kind of chauvinism.
      Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life.
      – Cecil Rhodes
      
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      October 5, 2021 2:47pm
Chuck Bird

Barry is spot on and I think his wife would agree.

Covid 19 Delta outbreak: Barry Soper – Beehive’s road map for Auckland is a road to nowhere

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-barry-soper-beehives-road-map-for-auckland-is-a-road-to-nowhere/BU6FQWAX6DS7KS346OLZZGSXBM/
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October 5, 2021 8:03am
- David Garrett
  
  It is now completely clear to all but the totally blind that Cindy and her helpers haven’t got a fucking clue how to get the country out of this path to nowhere.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:11am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I think she will try to keep the lid on COVID becoming endemic until the 2023 election. That will mean border closure and rolling lockdowns with various bizarre rules for another two years.
    
    Looking at yesterday’s poll she has plenty of support for the chaos. That chaos will be blamed on the unvaccinated. It will be necessary to save thousands of lives etc.
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:20am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      But the vaccines aren’t going to be our Golden ticket…and it might take a year before our fellow kiwis realise that.
      
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      October 5, 2021 8:31am
      - kowtow
        
        The Oompa Loompas are happy though.
        
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        October 5, 2021 8:40am
      - rouppe
        
        Scottish friend of mine just on a cycling holiday in Spain.
        
        He still thinks NZ will be free and clear in the next few months. I disabused him of that notion…
        
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        October 5, 2021 9:10am
      - dannz
        
        The faster we all get vaccinated, the faster her plan is shown to be full of holes to the general population.
        
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        October 5, 2021 9:54am
      - sooty
        
        Benedict, if that happens it’s hard to organise a wedding!
        
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        October 5, 2021 11:24am
    - Frank the tank
      
      It’s turning Ben.
      
      Rampant Labour luvvies at the surf club have turned anti Cindy over the past couple of weeks and have our elderly neighbors.
      
      Floods start as trickles.
      
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      October 5, 2021 8:51am
      - David Garrett
        
        Frank: Let’s hope you are right…I’m not seeing it myself
        
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        October 5, 2021 9:31am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Unfortunately Frank, the 34% that labour are ahead with women is the clincher at the moment. I was with you on the tide turning until I read that. There are two groups of woman supporters of Ardern. The powerful women, who all want to be like her, top job, baby(ies), limited work load, who take a knee to Ardern with the outside hope they get invited to the wedding and the rest, who hang out for the next Womans Weekly that has a picture and a sycophantic story about her kindness, ain’t she luvverly? Oh my, she has a baybee.
        
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        October 5, 2021 10:11am
    - R
      
      That chaos will be blamed on the unvaccinated
      
      Yeah probably. But when the fully vaccinated realise that the vaccine has not given them anything like the protection they were promised, some of them might direct their anger where it belongs. It’s not my fault the vaccinated have been sold a pup. So don’t blame me when the shit hits the fan.
      
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      October 5, 2021 9:08am
    - dannz
      
      So, the solution is, everyone get vaccinated asap, so she’s run out of excuses long before the election.
      
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      October 5, 2021 9:49am
      - kowtow
        
        They can and will fall back into the bunker that is “vulnerable communidies”
        
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        October 5, 2021 12:49pm
    - ecco
      
      By stringing the covid crisis and lockdowns out Ardern can also keep pumping the Ferald and Stuff with government advertising messages about covid. Ie corporate welfare – as long as they keep to her narrative and tow the party line.
      
      Robertson needs to release how much these covid advertising contracts are worth with Ferald and stuff. Would be in the millions$$. Not to mention all the funding grants from her media bribe fund that stuff and the Ferald have recieved. These outlets would be toast without these government grants and advertising. So they can hardly be called arms length transactions.
      
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      October 5, 2021 9:57am
      - Ruawai
        
        The Government need to start cutting non essential costs right now to stop the country going broke.
        
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        October 5, 2021 10:33am
    - Ruawai
      
      This means the people that are able to run their businesses will be paying high taxes to cover the costs of all the businesses that are not able to operate.
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:30am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The brewing financial crisis will probably interfere with Cindy’s aspirations. It may even be here for Christmas.
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:50am
    - Durden
      
      I don’t think it is easy to keep this going until 2023.
      
      The spending for that, using debt, will quickly get the rating agencies like Moody’s etc into action. Once they downrate NZ sovereign debt due to higher GDP debt ratios and slowing growth, the domino effect on the economy and resulting economic chaos will make it impossible to keep funding that option.
      
      And BTW, one cannot compare the debt/GDP ratios of large countries like USA, China, Japan, Germany etc to what NZ can get away with. Smaller countries with low growth but with high debt/gdp ratios are essentially basket cases.
      
      A better comparison for debt/gdp ratios is with some of the smaller economies in Scandinavia etc.
      
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      October 5, 2021 12:53pm
  - Cinematic
    
    Jacinda, Baker et al lost to the covid. It was inevitable. No little dance this time?
    
    Billions and billions frittered away and not a single meaningful uptick in medical provision.
    
    Performance so bad it feelz like criminal negligence.
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:25am
    - Ehlana
      
      I don’t think you can accuse this government of neglecting the criminal Cinematic. Not after all they have done for them…
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:47am
  - Tricati
    
    They haven’t had a clue right from the start. It took a group of influential business folk to get her to close the borders (or was it a call to a friend in the UK), they cocked up the initial tracing system and ignored an offer from Sam Morgan for a ‘digital’ system, cocked up the vaccine roll out and now say its imperative to avoid lockdowns.
    They were smug, and taking the overseas adulation only created bigger ’empty’ heads, and now finally realize elimination was always a crock of crap but have financially bankrupted the country along the way.
    The supposed road map is a nonsense, like most of their initiatives, but as always the consequences will be someone else’s fault
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:37am
    - ecco
      
      You forgot the MIQ lottery cock up, and still to come, the vaccine passport cock up. I guess they are getting the same boffins who thought up the MIQ lottery to now work on their vaccine passport.
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:00am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        They are not Boffin grade.
        
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        October 5, 2021 10:52am
      - sooty
        
        Wasn’t the friend in the UK, her sister?
        
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        October 5, 2021 11:26am
  - Warren
    
    Yes David but the entitled continue to worship Jacinda mania by giving her over 45% of the vote and the blind will continue to lead the mice no mater how corrupt this Government gets.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:07am
  - oldfella
    
    @DG
    Labour’s 2023 campaign song.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQiOA7euaYA&ab_channel=DavidByrne
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:57am
- Rich Prick
  
  Goodbye Auckland, nice knowing you.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:16am
  - PhilBest
    
    This madness will affect everywhere in the country before this is over. It is the madness more than it is “the virus”. The virus does exist but it is like Legionnaires Disease in that it is environmentally related, especially to do with ventilation, and if we freakin’ worked this out, we’d be no more in a hysterical panic about it than we would be about Legionnaires Disease. Oh, one other significant difference is that you only get Legionnaire’s Disease from the environment, it doesn’t then go from person to person. But Covid does go person to person with deadly consequences, only in limited environmental conditions. The rest of the time it would be just another latent virus that eventually gets into everyone in trace amounts. Covid-19 is the first time we have deployed expensive hyper-high-tech diagnostic tools (at taxpayers expense) to track the progress of a new virus into latent conditions in the population. We call it “asymptomatic infection” now but the correct term is “latent virus”.
    
    Most of us would have traces of most viruses that have done the rounds of humanity, without ever having suffered the actual illness related to that virus. Not until PCR did we have the means to confirm the “latent virus” hypothesis.
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:25am
  - Nickc2
    
    Auckland will be reimagined as the capital of the South Seas Socialist Republic of Aotearoa formerly known as New Zealand, with President for Life Cindy Ardern reigning supreme.
    COVID-19-D is only one of the tools at her disposal.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:14am
    - ecco
      
      Either that or the CCP will see an opportunity of another bankrupt pacific island nation and swoop in with their belt and road debt fuelled offerings.
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:02am
      - Bob
        
        The CCP only want a South Pacific base for their military operations against America; i.e control of the Pacific basin, with a border running up the Greenwich meridian.
        
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        October 5, 2021 12:06pm
      - Nickc2
        
        They’re on their way. The problem is, Cindy told Twyford to order the Red Carpet for their arrival from Bremworth but as yet, there’s no shovels in the ground so to speak. I dunno why she trusts Twyford with anything TBH.
        
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        October 5, 2021 1:26pm
  - oldfella
    
    @RP, just received this important roadmap clarification…
    
    Auckland remains in Level 3 except for a few conditions that permit you to be closer to Level 2
    but with the restrictions of Level 3
    while allowing for the Level 2 freedoms
    but maintaining a Level 3 threshold with a Level 2 range
    while keeping a clear Level 3 environment
    that will allow you to do those Level 2 activities
    as long as they meet the guidelines of Level 3
    but this is only on the condition that the Level 2 processes are structured to fit inside the Level 3 road map.
    
    Make perfect sense to me. /s
    
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    October 5, 2021 12:15pm
- Exclamation Mark
  
  In the meantime, if the Aucklanders reading this do have nine mates around for a barbie – only two households maximum mind, along with masks and social distancing – keep an eye on the weather forecast. You won’t be allowed to go inside.
  
  But what if you are caught short?
  
  Ardern giggled her way through that one: “Keep it outside, nice and simple. If you haven’t got a good bladder, don’t stay for long.”
  
  Tee hee hee! What a fucking retard, has she never been to a BBQ in her life? We have gone from “don’t talk to your neighbors” to its okay to have mates from across town over for a barbie with no actual change in the amount of daily community cases. They are literally making this up as they go along, it’s undeniable.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:19am
  - bartybart
    
    Would you have her for a BBQ?
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:24am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      No, there wouldn’t be enough meat on the bones 😉
      
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      October 5, 2021 8:45am
  - PhilBest
    
    Actually recommending outdoors activity, is a BELATED step in the right direction. This IS SCIENCE. This science has been denied for 18 months.
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:26am
    - Exclamation Mark
      
      Most people here know that. The unvaccinated munters of Auckland who are already doing most of the spreading don’t though. And an outdoor BBQ for them means a raging pissup with fuck knows who turning up once the “host” is too far gone to care who’s in his back yard.
      
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      October 5, 2021 8:55am
      - PhilBest
        
        I would say that there is a cohort among the unvaccinated people of color who are actually extremely well informed and do understand this about outdoors. You will be right about some proportion of them. But the young church-going PI who cuts my hair is extremely well-informed.
        
        In contrast, I keep pointing out that my nice middle class friends who are pro vaxxine and can’t wait to get their jet-setting lifestyles back just as soon as everyone has been forced to take the jab, don’t even know what “mRNA” means. They assume this is “just another vax” with an equivalent back-trail of trialling and approval, so “of COURSE people who don’t want it are stupid and ignorant”.
        
        The young church-going PI guy who cuts my hair knows what mRNA is, knows how it works, and doesn’t like the sound of it because it is riddled with scientific unknown unknowns. Same position as me.
        
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        October 5, 2021 10:27am
      - hookerphil
        
        Anger much.
        
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        October 5, 2021 10:27am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Precisely..
      People seem to have forgotten how folks were forbidden from going to the beach or parks in the first lockdowns last year.
      
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      October 5, 2021 9:13am
      - PhilBest
        
        And the disgrace to the heritage of western civilization and enlightenment that is Australia, is still perpetuating this shite
        
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        October 5, 2021 10:21am
  - David Garrett
    
    Exclamation: Your last sentence is right on the money…I expressed it a bit more coarsely above.
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:30am
  - alex Masterley
    
    EM – that is the point. The government are making policy as they go along. And getting away with it because of a complicit media.
    The only problem is that what may seem like a good idea today might not be one tomorrow.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:15am
    - oldfella
      
      @alexM, talking about making it up as you go along, we’re now told Cindy and co wasted 51 million dollars on planning for the (aborted) cycle bridge in Auckland. And all spent in only 3 months. Believe it or not! https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126575243/51m-spent-on-axed-auckland-harbour-cycling-bridge-project-residents-in-limbo
      Vanished off stuffed’s front page rather quickly this morning. Wonder why?
      
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      October 5, 2021 12:24pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    I don’t know which is worse, playing a round of golf in Victoria with toilets forbidden, could not be worse than drinking goon juice at a barbie. Both totally completely completely irrational ideas from two Siamese twins of the minds.
    It is like they are trying to out do each other.
    You can have a barbeque but there will be so many rules it will be to hard to adhere to.
    It is a coincidence all these rules seem to magically appear about the same time frame.
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:06am
  - Bob
    
    most of the people who can afford a ‘barbie’ food and drink live in established properties with a lot of green vegetation; no need to go inside for a pee; the other group just use the neighbours fence.
    
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    October 5, 2021 12:07pm
Yabster

$51m (and growing) for the cancelled Auckland cycle bridge- well done Labour -would have paid for alot of nurses or even a good chunk of a specialist MIQ facility.
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October 5, 2021 8:06am
- Bridgenag
  
  Aren’t they now commissioning a $60m investigation into how to spend the money saved from the cycle way…….
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:47am
Random T Person

Civil disobedience people. The time has come. Restrictions are absolute nonsense, the Scandinavian countries have acknowledged it, the UK has, the USA is operational, and in Australasia we have the emergence of a new type of dictator. It must stop and it must stop forthwith.
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October 5, 2021 8:07am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I agree. Sign me up. Just don’t ask me to organise it. I’m no good at that.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:05am
  - Random T Person
    
    I’m so angry I’m considering making a sign. Down with this sort of thing.
    Also terrible at organising. But civil disobedience means not masking, ignoring restrictions around gatherings, and just generally getting on with your life.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:14am
Paulus Gnome

Her Worshipfullness stood at the podium because she was hailed as the Messiah

Turns out labour’s idea of the Messiah delivering the message via a parable so the assembled mass of 5 million could understand, was a bit flat.

Working on the loaves and fishes story, she left us with the same crumbs we already had and the distinct odour of fish.

Labour, fing up governance since 1916
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October 5, 2021 8:08am
Simon

As a covid modeller with direct access to the PM. Got some new covid funding from the gubbermint. Time for some more expert analyst modelling.

Average 30 new ro cases per day in Auckland. Auckland population 1.65 million. So my models shows that in 55,000 days or 150 years everyone in Auckland will get the covid. My model shows that lockdown for next 150 years will mean the hospitals can cope. That’s my expert advice to the PM.
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October 5, 2021 8:10am
- cmm
  
  Unless your organisation is costing the taxpayers at least $5m a year and has a poi-waving name it isn’t expert enough.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:26am
  - Matt Long
    
    It’s called Te Mana o te Wuhane and We identify as whatever diversity requires. We have the best science money can buy, checked by really really really excellent fact checkers, as confirmed by Journalists!!
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:39am
Maggy Wassilieff

When are the Māori powerful going to call out the actions of the Killer of Anthony Bell?

The media has told us that patched gang members attacked Mr Bell.
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October 5, 2021 8:13am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  ‘Cultural’, move along, nothing to see here . . .
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:16am
- cmm
  
  This was an inevitable result of the stresses put on cultural organisations by colonialism.
  
  When Gurpreet Singh was savagely attacked in Woolston, Christchurch, a few days ago the cops were quick to say that it was not racially motivated.
  
  Is that code for “it wasn’t done by a white guy”?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126510108/months-of-recovery-ahead-for-man-violently-attacked-with-baseball-bats
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps Marama Davidson would like to make a call to the Waikato Chapter of the Mongrel Mob…
  or perhaps she might consider Nicole McKee’s words:
  
  ACT’s justice spokesperson Nicole McKee said Davidson’s “coddling of violent gang members” was a “kick in the guts” for victims of gang violence.
  
  “Gangs are terrorising our communities, there is gun crime everywhere, harm is being caused in our emergency housing, and Davidson turns up to tell them, ‘It’s all OK, you only do this stuff because of racism’.”
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/green-party-co-leader-marama-davidson-defends-visit-to-waikato-mongrel-mob-gang-pad.html
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:48am
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So we are allowed to go hunting and we are allowed to go to the zoo. But can we go hunting at the zoo? Because if I could shoot a Lion, I’d feel that Lockdown would be worthwhile.
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October 5, 2021 8:15am
- fisho
  
  Comment of 2021
  
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  October 5, 2021 4:38pm
Maggie's partner

Wouldn’t you like to spend 24 hours inside Cindy’s mind right now, seeing what she really thinks!
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October 5, 2021 8:15am
- WaveyDavey
  
  I think you’d be driven mad by the void
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:43am
- Tricati
  
  No thanks – Although it’s probably empty so room to occupy. Her road map looks like something Neave & her dad created at playtime, so maybe that’s where the ideas come from..
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:44am
  - PhilBest
    
    Oooh, go to the naughty corner for gender-assumptive pronouns about Neve.
    
    “Her”
    
    Oooh naughty, naughty, naughty
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:29am
- Frank the tank
  
  Absolutely. Why would you not.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:58am
- Scooter
  
  Lots of room in there
  
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  October 6, 2021 12:22am
JibberJabber

Arderns’ “road map” closely resembles a Demolition Derby figure 8 track…∞ to infinity and beyond…

The situation in this country is a classic warning, becareful what you wish for, you just might get it.
How did anyone think that electing a bunch of low IQ career failed University unionists to run the country was going to turn out any different to what we are experiencing now?
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October 5, 2021 8:15am
- Bob
  
  How did anyone think that electing……
  
  53.7% of the voting population Jibberjabber.
  Gives a good idea of the IQ level across the country!
  
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  October 5, 2021 12:15pm
Tony Stuart

Jack Tame on yesterday’s “roadmap” announcement:

First the Government lost control of the outbreak. Now, Jacinda Ardern has lost control of the comms.

The extraordinary post-Cab media conference on New Zealand’s Covid-19 future proved a frustrating and confusing watch for anyone trying to understand the Government’s true position on the state of the Delta outbreak and its strategy from this point forth.

There are no metrics by which to plot Auckland’s pathway. No explicit vaccination targets. No infection suppression targets. No dates. We have no idea when or under what circumstances the border around Auckland will be relaxed.

Certainty is a rare commodity in the Covid-19 age (and we in the media are perhaps guilty of demanding it too much), but the vagueness of Cabinet’s future decision-making might be more palatable to an increasingly-frustrated public, had several recent elements of the Government response not undermined the clarity and decisiveness that defined its early Covid-19 strategy.

Moving Auckland to Alert Level 3 was not consistent with elimination. It was a gamble that risked the gains from a month at Level 4. The Government continued to speak optimistically about stamping out the virus, even as public health experts and modellers publicly demurred.

Two weeks on, predictably, infection numbers are increasing. Despite the warm reassurances in Monday’s media conference, the period at Level 4 didn’t see nearly enough Aucklanders vaccinated to justify the shift, if indeed elimination was the strategy. The gamble didn’t pay off.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/jack-tames-opinion-govts-covid-19-strategy-roadmap-no-signs

Tame’s comment about the PM having “lost control of the comms” is a particularly harsh assessment. Let’s not forget that the PM has a degree in Communications, is regarded as an excellent communicator, and has a team of people working on her communications strategy day and night. But yesterday was a clustershambles, and when the likes of her most vocal supporters Neale Jones, Clint Smith and Morgan Godfery are telling her she’s wrong, then there’s clearly a problem.

But this has been in the making for a number of weeks. The PM has stuck to her elimination strategy like sh#t to a blanket, until yesterday when she told the media that we would begin to transition away from elimination.

Jacinda Ardern will be glad the Parliament is in recess for the school holidays, and she won’t be subject to daily barrages of questions. However the opposition parties and even the Greens will be quick to fill the parliamentary void with their disdain for the PM’s policies. Judith Collins put out a statement last night which began “The Government’s incoherent and timid approach to the Covid pandemic shows it lacks the courage required to make tough decisions for the benefit of New Zealand”.

The next few weeks are going to provide a real test for the Ardern government, and unless she can come up with something more coherent that what was served up yesterday, the Government will be found wanting. She may have plenty of time for picnics.
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October 5, 2021 8:19am
- pdm
  
  Most unlike Jack Tame to criticise the Prime Minister. He is usually a very loyal supporter.
  
  Also saw a tweet from Neale Jones over at Homepaddock putting the boot in too – now he is a former sycophant.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:27am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Not just a former sycophant pdm; Jones was Ardern’s Chief of Staff when she first became leader of the Labour Party. His closing comment on yesterday’s roadmap? This is both a policy and political failure
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:49am
    - Frank the tank
      
      They see the writing on the way. What was more telling is Jono and Ben mocking the PM yesterday. Both are leftwing Luvvies and take delight in those patsy radio interviews.
      
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      October 5, 2021 8:59am
      - JibberJabber
        
        The END must be nigh if even the Clowns are mocking Ardern now.
        
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        October 5, 2021 9:15am
- kowtow
  
  Elimination strategy. That was always going to be their downfall .
  
  The Yank media love the word hubris , but this has all the marks of it in the Greek tragedy sense of the word ;
  
  “(in Greek tragedy) excessive pride towards or defiance of the gods, leading to nemesis.”
  
  We started out with flatted the curve ,( and they should have stuck to that; protect the vulnerable but let the rest of us get on with life) but then they realised that they could have a Fortress NZ approach ( fierce lockdown , very compliant and frightened citizenry, an extremely aggressive onboard Media pardy , our huge moat and distance from other countries , the lack of flights and the de facto travel ban along with MIQ etc)
  
  Recall her pride ( hubris) when the first lockdown achieved its ( temporary) goal of Zero Covid .
  
  That was the moment , that was the high point and if anyone really believed that elimination could be permanent then they were thick as pig shit but she’d done it , was proven to be the great leader her sychophants believed her to be . Feted by the worlds media and our own ( remember that big game in Auckland and the pig shit Little NZer sports reporters ” Is there any where else in the world you’d rather be ” )
  
  As the Swedes said all along this wasn’t a sprint , it ‘s a marathon . We sprinted and lost .
  
  How the mighty have fallen .
  
  Nemesis is a virus called Wulfu .
  
  The last act is yet to play out . In the ICU wards , the mortuaries and cemetaries . It was always going to be thus . The same sick , elderly , vulnerable folk who would have died at the start of this are still going to , vaxxed or not .
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:02am
  - PeeJay
    
    For me, this is the worst part of this clown show approach to covid. If they had combined an elimination strategy, to buy time, whilst rapidly ramping up ICU and other health resources, actively learning from the rest of the world so we would know what works and what doesn’t, using our natural isolation as an asset, we could be getting ready to open up knowing that we were well placed to manage whatever was coming. Instead, they got off to a reasonable start and then did…….well pretty much nothing but patted themselves on the back and took in the praise from the adoring masses.
    
    The marathon analogy is sadly apt – they celebrated winning the 100 meters but the race is still ongoing and will be for quite some time. The worst is yet to come and we will all end up paying for this.
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:06am
  - blue collar
    
    Well said kow tow …. absolutely bang on
    
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    October 5, 2021 5:48pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Good lord. Tame is a Jacinda fan girl. He’s changed his tune.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:18am
  - Paulus
    
    Tame has not received his wedding invitation yet obviously. Appears it will be soon as she booked to go overseas shortly – excuse to use taxpayers money for the trip along with her media luvvies.
    This is why Robertson is grooming as her on site PM in her absence.
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:41pm
- Hollyfield
  
  But it’s not actually a roadmap out of lockdown, is it? It’s purely trying to manipulate Aucklanders into thinking we are making progress towards the end of lockdown. It’s like a child asking for something and mum saying “soon” or “maybe”. A smart child recognises those words actually mean “no”.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:45am
- Ed Snack
  
  I see that he thinks that the solution was to keep Auckland in L4 lockdown basically for ever. To hell with people’s lives, lock the bastards down. Probably would support a move to seriously increase the rules, nobody allowed outside, masks in the bath and in bed, that sort of thing.
  
  Because those tactics have worked so well in Australia and their cases are now approaching zero. Wait, what, you mean they aren’t….
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:45am
- Bob
  
  Tony,…..
  this govt was found wanting the day after her Cabinet was announced!
  
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  October 5, 2021 12:17pm
Allan

The sad part about it all is that the last 18 months of Cindy’s Kindy’s zero Covid program have been a total waste of time and we are literally back to square one. Perhaps now they should look at other avenues of combating this virus. This link is an interesting read and I wonder if our wonderful Dr Bloomfield should start getting serious about avenues such as this as it now has a proven record https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout—part-v-the-secret-revealed/article_9a37d9a8-1fb2-11ec-a94b-47343582647b.html
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October 5, 2021 8:19am
- Nickc2
  
  Cindy’s Kindy’s zero Covid program have been a total waste of time and we are literally back to square one
  
  Exactly and at what financial cost to individuals, companies and New Zealand?
  
  It’s all been for nothing and very little comment about this from the MSM to date. All this borrowed/printed debt and it appears nobody gives a fuck!
  She is still high in the polls and I simply don’t get it?
  The saying about turkeys praying for Christmas rings true eh?
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:45am
  - Isobar
    
    Well it is simply a reflection how ineffectual the opposition – specifically National are.
    
    Until they actually look and act like a government in waiting – Labour will have free reign. Because to a lot of voters – the though of Collins as PM is a much worse outcome than anything the Labour party has done or is doing thus far.
    
    Even with right voters – many see David Seymour now as the rightful leader of the opposition – and the one that can actually provide any sort of credible alternative to the Govt.
    
    National is in trouble – hopefully they can see it and change things before it is too late.
    
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    October 5, 2021 4:30pm
- bennerg
  
  This is where the MSM are primarily responsible, and need to step up.
  
  In India the Indian Bar Association has initiated action in the Supreme Court against the WHO for restricting use of Ivermectin.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD9BYCYwsUI
  
  Watch this space.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:53am
KevO'Brien

The revelations by Dr Fleming are a bit of an eye opener:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/10/04/is-the-covid-vaccine-a-bioweapon/

More detail there than usual.
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October 5, 2021 8:20am
- PhilBest
  
  As time goes on, it is disturbing how more and more of the well-credentialled experts who were initially just “contrary” on something specific like early multi-drug therapies for Covid (yes they work) or “how it spreads” (aerosols, not contact) end up moving towards the camp that was once only inhabited by the usual opportunistic “Illuminati / Freemasons / Zionist cabal” conspiracy theorists.
  
  Not that they go full-blown “planned genocide”, but they move to the position that this could be a self-inflicted “biological catastrophe” because with the mRNA jabs there are simply unknown unknowns and we are hell bent on leaving no human unjabbed! It is this “hell bent” characteristic that tends to drive people who merely had intuitive “concerns” originally, towards the position that “there is something dark and sinister underlying all this”. Dr Peter McCullough for example; you could hardly find a more moderate and measured character; where he started from, was advocacy of early treatment protocols (which do work). Again and again, there is a sinister appearance that dark forces do NOT want this pandemic resolved with anything but a program of jabs that make Jonestown’s Kool-Aid look trustworthy – they don’t want it resolved with ventilation; with fresh air and sunshine; they don’t want people taking Vitamins, or Zinc; they don’t want people adopting a low-inflammatory diet or getting rid of the obesity that is a risk factor (there has now been more than a year during which 30kgs could have been shed by many); they don’t want any early treatment multi-drug / neutraceutical protocol to be proven to work; anything showing any promise must be banned (the wonder neutraceutical N-Acetyl Cysteine is the latest casualty). NAC has brought relief to millions of sufferers of numerous chronic health issues. Now because it might help against Covid – it is banned. These people are satanic.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:42am
Ruahine

I have just been reading about the murder of Anthony Takrouna Bell of Te Kuiti that occured in the Maniapoto Street Otorohonga.
He was killed according to eyewitnesses with an axe by two patched Gang Members.
That this has caused so little outrage by gov’t and iwi elites as well as the MSM just shows how so inured and conditioned by these appalling events we have become as a country. The Prime Minister was quick to go on national TV and callout and bad mouth Brian Tamaki whose organisation has never killed anyone but not a word for the murdered Mr Bell and his lovely family.
But no it is all Covid Covid Covid. No one has died of Covid in New Zealand in the last twelve months. Tell me Prime Minister how many people have been murdered by your friends the criminal gangs in the last twelve months.
A decent Gov’t would call for a national Day of Mourning for this man.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/otorohanga-homicide-road-rage-was-cause-of-waikato-axe-attack-police-say/NQMYBNI7IA7N53W5MMYLGEWSZQ/
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October 5, 2021 8:25am
- 7kiwi11
  
  I am always amazed how often there are gang funerals. How many gang related deaths are we not even hearing about? Or are we to believe that they are passing peacefully in their sleep?
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:47am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

We’re on the road to nowhere – Talking Heads.
Very fitting
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October 5, 2021 8:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Or perhaps we are on the Yellow Brick Road and will soon be forced to don our Green glasses.
  
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  October 5, 2021 8:43am
kowtow

When an Australian rugby player tweeted some bible verses our Media Pardy and Commentariat went ape shit for weeks .

Now we have a scenario where New Zealand rugby players have ,legally, dodged Hamilton’s lockdown by skipping off to Cambridge ,the wimmins’ team done with the intent to be able to legally fly to Chch later in the week.

Where’s the outrage at what is clearly a “morally wrong” and non team of 5 million act , which in other circumstances the Media have gone out of their way to highlight and pillory ( Aucklanders taking their boats north prior to lockdown etc)

Surely the Media Pardy could have some questions for the PM and the Minister for Sports on this potentially spreader , morally questionable behaviour by such roll models ?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/452869/nzr-had-clear-instruction-on-moving-waikato-teams
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October 5, 2021 8:26am
plc

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/going-south-jacinda-ardern/

How the world sees us
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October 5, 2021 8:27am
Simon

So in the fucking end the virus outsmarted all those left wing dweeb experts. Outsmarted the Labour Party, the PM and all those high and mighty state apparatchiks. Zero covid nut jobs. These cretins will try to drag their zero covid fantasies out for another few months. But the dream is over. The virus will be the virus and it can’t be eliminated through gubbermint policy.

Zero covid couldn’t even get the vaxx roll out right. And Ro vaxxing heading into summer. Fucking cretins

It’s a good thing the virus has a IFR of .02. Delta is lower. Imagine a real deadly virus NZ would be gone burger.
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October 5, 2021 8:27am
- alloytoo
  
  So a virus, something without a complex nervous system has outwitted the best the labour party has to offer.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:54am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    A bag of hammers lying on the ground outside Parliament could outwit the combined intelligence of Ardern, Little, Robertson, Mahuta, Faafoi, Woods, Hipkins, Davis, Parker, Williams and others. There is not one of them you would have on your pub quiz team. Even if they were there, you’d be starting one short.
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:21am
  - Bob
    
    allytoo…
    outwitting the best of the Labour Party would not be difficult.
    
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    October 5, 2021 12:22pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    With apologies to Edmund Blackadder, “there are amoeba on Saturn who could … run a better government”
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:32pm
  - crikey
    
    What are you saying? A microscopic virus without a brain outsmarted a political party without a collective brain?
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:30pm
- Ruawai
  
  Simon, Ms Wiles always said it was a ‘Tricky Virus”.
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:42am
  - alloytoo
    
    Ms Wiles own actions show what she thinks of the restrictions.
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, the virus is “literally finding unvaccinated people”
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/10/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-urges-new-zealanders-to-get-vaccinated-to-avoid-lockdowns.html
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:26pm
  - blue collar
    
    Fat thumb Ruawai … sposed to be uptick bro
    
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    October 5, 2021 5:50pm
lazza

One deluded talkback host would have us believe “debt don’t matter”.

Sure … talkback radio is “A Zoo” but pretentious serious? commentators (Bruce Russell) do a lot of damage with their bizarre views, misinformation and faux economic opinion …

Quote:

$100 Billion added to our national debt does have huge implications for the wellbeing of future generations. Contrary to some who would have us believe national debt “does not matter as Country’s are able to defer repayment indefinitely” the recent experiences of Greece and Argentina point to the huge negative impact of debt defaults. Their exchange rates plunged, inflation became uncontrollable, retirement savings were eroded and economic activity was throttled. Pigeons come home to roost eventually and with future increased interest rates our mounting national debt is no “free lunch”.
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October 5, 2021 8:30am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Debt does not matter if you use the borrowed money to invest and grow your economy. Then the ability to repay really does outstrip the increased debt. The real problem is low quality spending. Unfortunately, valid criticisms of low quality spending are often not as politically effective as unsound criticisms of the fact that money is being borrowed.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:14am
dime

So I caught the tail end of Jacinda yesterday.

Do you think anyone has told her that giant smiles and cracking jokes isnt a good look?

Does anyone in Labour have any idea what the feeling is like in Auckland?

Talk about misreading the room.

Jacinda is in wellington. living in a mansion. 10 grand a week. nothing has changed.

Why are the socialist elite always just dreadful people?
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October 5, 2021 8:31am
- Frank the tank
  
  I believe her smiles and laughing are more of an uncontrolled tick and a defense mechanism. The more pressure she is under the more she favors these intellectual fallbacks. Then again my wife believes its arrogance – and she is a women and might have more intuition regarding this.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:10am
  - dime
    
    First of all – great name!
    
    Im with you. I think its a nervous “we fucked up so bad”.
    
    But she is supposed to be the worlds best communicator and leader!?
    
    something doesnt add up..
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:21am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Frank, remember arrogance is always born out of ignorance. So, with Jax is it any wonder how she behaves?
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:45am
    - Ed Snack
      
      See how Kamala Harris reacts in the same sort of way, classic psychological defence mechanism.
      
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      October 5, 2021 11:57am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes spot on. I dealt with a client a couple of years back who when under pressure laughed after everything she said. Drove me nuts.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:47am
- Paulus
  
  Going to get worse with the announcement of the Labour Gerrymandering procedures and changes for the next election just announced.
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:45pm
KevO'Brien

A taster about the lurking global economic situation which may up upset Robbo’s Christmas. Cinders & Co. won’t be able to face the real world when it arrives. (Biden wants to spend another 3 Trillion!)

From wealthion.com
Pt 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csf4fdV-EOQ&list=PL7vUOWh5dtHN0HL-ckjHLeXfW8vZgo0H8

Pt 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTWw7Z5XL6Q&list=PL7vUOWh5dtHN0HL-ckjHLeXfW8vZgo0H8

These are indirect commercials for their investment business. However, they are representative of what is being discerned about excessive money creation and its outcomes. That could be a much greater nuisance than the virus.
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October 5, 2021 8:33am
Chuck Bird

Bowls is okay but why not golf and tennis?
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October 5, 2021 8:35am
- PeeJay
  
  Golf is easy – just ditch the one of the golf clubs and pack a rifle in your bag instead? If stopped by plod, say you are on a hunting trip. If you play like I do, then you’ll be ‘hunting’ all over the course for the ball!
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:10am
hullkiwi

Below is an episode in the lives of business people who live north of the Auckland/Northland border, but operate a business in the Auckland Region.

This is a tale was posted on Facebook before NZ learned of the confusing “Road Map” was presented during yesterday’s4pm show and tell from the Podium of Truth.
This episode amply demonstrates the confusion amongst the “mini-Hitlers” of the NZ police and MBIE. It also demonstrates that there is part of the government sector that is all about mindless control and making rules up as they go along to suit their own decision-making processes. A case how can they possibly be wrong, when as we saw yesterday, the decision making at the top is confused?
This episode was posted on the local Facebook page and relates to a business in Warkworth.
“Bonjour everyone, “Covid Checkpoint Border Crossing” Episode 2!
After being turn back last Monday and told that we needed a MBIE travel authorization to be able to go through I did apply for one. MBIE denied it as we are not an essential business (what? Coffee, not essential?! I disagree… ) so I called the Covid Unite Business Helpline for advice. They said we did not need a MBIE pass to start with as travel in and out of Auckland from the Northland to go work to a level 3 business is permitted. Hooray! They kindly emailed me the link to the page which says that. Last Friday, after having renewed our Covid test and using that email we have finally been allowed to go through but the police officer at the checkpoint emailed me in the morning to let me know that after discussing it with his superiors they were not able to accept it as valid to go through the border and that without an MBIE authorization I will not be let through in the future… Back to square 1…
So, dear customers, I am sorry (again… ) but Xx Xxxxxx will be closed today as I need to spend the day calling MBIE, Ministry of Health, Restaurant Association and who knows what to finally be able to get the authorization to go to my own shop.
Hopefully that will be sorted by the end of the week but in the meanwhile the shop will reopen for contactless takeaway orders tomorrow morning at 9am ”

What this example shows is that:

1. Jax and her merry bunch really do not care about the income earning and tax paying interests of New Zealanders;
2. Jax and co are not in control of the petty bureaucrats administering how the lockdowns are enforced. Indeed, Hendy this morning has been telling the world on TV that NZ will not go back to enjoying the freedoms we were previously enjoying under Level 1. Who the hell elected Hendy and gave him the right to say what freedoms New Zealanders can and cannot enjoy?
3. NZ’s government and the petty bureaucrats together with the police force are making the rules up as they go along, showing all the signs of a totalitarian state.

Finally….thank you to the people who voted for Jax, I hope you feel safe now, given what you in your infinite stupidity with your voting preference last year unleashed on New Zealand and New Zealanders. May you enjoy your 10 person picnic with your grandchildren in Auckland’s liquid sunshine this week. My grandfather did not go to war in 1915 for new Zealanders to suffer this abomination!
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October 5, 2021 8:36am
RockyJ

It seems to me that Covid management in NZ is a four horse race.
Our Ability To Tolerate Lockdowns is flagging fast and looks likely to drop out.
The Rate of Vaccination looks unlikely to finish and would have been better suited to a shorter course of 80%.
Increasing Hospital ICU Capacity has been scratched and will not be running today.
So it looks like the clear winner will be The Virus which is running faster than the other horses. The Virus is being ridden by Jacinda Ardern who is a real lightweight but knows how to use the whip.
Luckily very few bets have been placed on The Virus and the winner’s pool is minor.
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October 5, 2021 8:37am
dime

This obsession with race is just weird.

One of the Heralds top stories:

“Jacinda Ardern’s gamble that puts young Māori, Pasifika on the Delta frontline”

Um ok!? That sounds alarming!!

Are we not allowing young brown people get the vaccination? thats terrible!!!

oh wait, the problem is – they cant be fucked.

i guess we better stay in lockdown forever?!?!

what a useless article by a useless rag.

How about:

“Ideas on how to get young people to vaccinate”
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October 5, 2021 8:38am
- Ehlana
  
  Here’s one. I’ve heard there are one-shot vaccines available (overseas – you know, where the rest of the world lives). I’m guessing if you took one-shot vaccines to gathering places of these young folks (and some not so young) who can’t be bothered, a few more of them would bother.
  
  It would also enable you to gather up a few of those who don’t want the current offering, but would be willing to take an alternate. And it will make it easier when some of the reluctant see people like them dying in hospital and decide they want vaccinating too.
  
  The government’s role is to provide the opportunity; it can’t force people to take it. What it can do is announce opening up dates (with earlier dates for more vaccinated areas).
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:04am
krazykiwi

“Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences.” — Robert Louis Stevenson

Ardern’s singular focus on self-aggrandisement has ensured New Zealanders will be chowing down on bile for several generations.
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October 5, 2021 8:53am
Bobba Fret

When Marama Davison opens her mouth you realise how stupid she is:
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson said the government’s decision puts thousands of people at risk.

“The elimination strategy and the zero tolerance for Covid-19 is the right one, especially for people who are behind, who are more at risk, who are behind in vaccination.”
So Marama still believes in elimination.
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October 5, 2021 8:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes it is extraordinary.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:45am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Not so, she is the recognised hintellectual of the anti-magenta movement.
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:09am
- Stu2
  
  Clearly hasn’t figured out that the feral underbelly of South Auckland has broken elimination. It got close.
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:24am
Chuck Bird

Auckland is likely to be at level 3 for another 4 to 8 weeks.

Covid 19 Delta outbreak: Jacinda Ardern releases unclear road map, experts say community transmission new normal

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-delta-outbreak-jacinda-ardern-releases-unclear-road-map-experts-say-community-transmission-new-normal/RCBWJB5YX4PLQAP3UK5M3L7DJA/
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October 5, 2021 9:00am
Tony

Rightly or wrongly, things are about to become very difficult for the unvaccinated.

The other day my company received its first letter from a customer advising that contractors would not be allowed on their site unless they have evidence of having the two jabs.

I expect this sort of thing will soon become main-stream.

The problem we have with employees who are not double-jabbed is what to do with them if their refusal to get vaccinated means they can no longer do their jobs.

I also see that Air NZ is refusing to carry international travelers unless they are double jabbed. I expect this will be extended to domestic fights soon.

And when the vaccine passports come out expect that restaurants etc won’t let in those who can’t prove their vaccination status.
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October 5, 2021 9:01am
- YesMinister
  
  If restaurants are doing so well they can afford to turn patrons away, that’s great news for NZ! Same goes for every business who only decides to serve the vaccinated. It’s wonderful news that people are so able to turn down workers and customers. What an amazingly robust economy we must have. I had heard that there were massive shortages in the trades, but I suppose that’s a rumor.
  
  And how not at all demeaning to have to present your medical papers to a minimum wage employee in order to access an entirely optional restaurant. What a wonderful and not at all grotesque display of submission to authoritarianism. I’m sure every kiwi will proudly present their papers to whoever demands them, and this will all end very well indeed.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:39am
  - hullkiwi
    
    The policy of only allowing the vaccinated in, is not working well in France.
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I have two clients in Christchurch who have told me that there is no entry to their premises without vaccination.
  
  At the end of the day a bunch of people will need to be vaccinated even if they don’t want to because they will otherwise go broke.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:43am
  - YesMinister
    
    …or a bunch of businesses will quietly revoke their weird draconian demands to see private medical information when it turns out that even happily vaccinated people find the whole thing humiliating and bizarre.
    
    Having to show proof of vaccination is something you do when you kennel a dog, not when you go out to dinner.
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:14am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Not all restaurants will do that but many will.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:44am
  - westernScientest
    
    depends on whether they are forced to by government/worksafe etc or not. They shouldn’t be, but I would not be surprised if it gets pushed though in secrete
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:02am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Citizens can’t be discriminated against at will. An individual within reason can decide that someone may not enter there territory. Keeping them out is another problem–assault is not permitted and a trespass notice may be needed to be served to be enforceable.
      Cindy’s Law is not fit for purpose.
      
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      October 5, 2021 11:16am
- Surely Knott
  
  I wonder what the legal implications of corporate mandates are. We know that pfizer has wiped their hands of any liability. But if companies require staff or customers to vaccinate do they take on some of the liability if it goes wrong. Air NZ requires there staff or customers to be vaccinated (rare side effects can include blood clots) and they fly (rare side effects is that it increases blood clots) then are Air NZ responsible taking responsibility that flying with the vaccine will not increase blood clots and thrombosis etc. If you require your staff to vaccinate and it goes wrong are you liable?
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:50am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I would say, yes. You have made the choice which caused the damage.
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:18am
- alloytoo
  
  This is really a privacy issue, you do not have the right to even know your employees status, never mind divulge it to a third party.
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:04am
  - Tony
    
    But if it is essential for the job an employer can ask for it, and make staff redundant if there are no other options:
    
    https://www.employment.govt.nz/leave-and-holidays/other-types-of-leave/coronavirus-workplace/covid-19-vaccination-and-employment/
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:45am
    - Ehlana
      
      How is it essential for the job?
      
      Or put it this way – does anyone else remember when HIV came out? When was the last time you were asked to prove your HIV status?
      
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      October 5, 2021 11:07am
      - Tony
        
        In our case, customers are starting to write to us telling us that only vaccinated contractors can come onto their sites. If that becomes so widespread that our staff can’t do their jobs unless vaccinated it becomes a major problem.
        
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        October 5, 2021 11:11am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

Fox reporting that Mark Zuckerberg’s personal wealth has plummeted $7billion in the last few hours after a whistleblower came forward and outages took FB offline.

Should we start a ‘GoFundMePage’ for the poor guy?
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October 5, 2021 9:02am
- dime
  
  Dime owns facebook shares 🙁
  
  I like to run a “portfolio of evil” outside of my normal investments. just cause it makes me laugh.
  
  Lockheed, raytheon, phillip morris, morgan stanley, goldman, altria, facebook, google, morgan stanley etc
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:06am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Bale while you are ahead dime. Facebook is an advertising company, and user projections have dipped alarmingly and Instagram post numbers have been falling steadily for some time. Ergo, Facebook thinking about targeting kiddies playdates!
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:32am
  - rangitoto
    
    Raytheon’s RIM-174 is an excellent product.
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:37am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Oh, and as an aside, with Smith & Wesson moving from Springfield, Mass, (because of the Democrats there bringing in more gun laws) to Tennessee, there will probably be an upside to that stock.
    Been in Springfield since 1852. But there you go, leftists have a way of making a bodge job of everything.
    
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    October 5, 2021 5:01pm
- rangitoto
  
  Trump’s revenge.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:13am
- JibberJabber
  
  Looks like a massive “cleansing” operation is underway at FB.
  https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/10/04/business/news-business-stock-market
  
  Security experts said the problem most likely stemmed instead from a misconfiguration of Facebook’s server computers, which were not letting people connect to its sites like Instagram and WhatsApp. When such errors occur, companies frequently roll back to their previous configuration, but Facebook’s problems appeared to be more complex and to require some manual updating.
  
  Oh OK, that must be it…? ?
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:27am
  - Fletch
    
    It looks like Facebook and its associated sites are down at the moment. Feed won’t refresh and even the videos I can see won’t play
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:02am
    - Cobolt24
      
      I assume you’re on mobile? I haven’t checked my phone but on PC it wouldn’t load because of a DNS issue. It came back about 10-15 minutes ago but is now down again except it’s refusing to connect rather than the DNS servers, probably from overloading or some other server issue.
      
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      October 5, 2021 11:01am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Rather looks to me (after reading a few useful sites) that Facebook stuffed themselves up by a bad update of their BGP entries. That basically removed their own DNS servers from the internet so they could not be found. That rippled out as other DNS providers removed their links as well.
    
    Because BGP sort of underlies DNS even direct requests to the FB IP addresses failed as servers did not “know” the links to get to those addresses.
    
    Funniest part is that at least some of the corrective actions would need to be carried out by direct local attachment to the primary servers at FB, but techs couldn’t get access to the buildings and server rooms because those have controlled access that is, wait for it, controlled by those very same servers that are no longer accessible. Luckily for FB it does appear that there were people on site who could make additional changes to bring them slowly back on line.
    
    A maintenance error does seem to be the simplest explanation, would not be the first of its type though probably the largest impact one. There could be a more nefarious reason to want to go dark briefly, but seems unlikely and Occam’s razor would suggest that a simple fuck-up is the likeliest explanation.
    
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    October 5, 2021 12:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

90% vaccinated is a great goal. Kids under 12 make up 15% of the population – so when they finally get vaccinated NZ ends up with 105% vaxed.
Fuck these Labour people are clever //
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October 5, 2021 9:04am
- Benedict Yu
  
  No the “target” is 90 percent of people over 12. It will stall at 78 percent. It will creep up slowly to 80 percent over the next 12 months. It will only get to the high 80s if there are big sticks – e.g. if Air New Zealand bans unvaccinated people from domestic flights, which I think is unlikely.
  
  So Benedict’s prediction is 78 percent by Christmas 🙂
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:39am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It will spike up another few percent as the reality of a huge surge in cases and endless scare stories of deaths and hard-pressed hospital saturate NZ media in lead up to Xmas.
    
    I actually think letting it rip in south auckland might work out ok – its a smallish and perhaps least disciplined part of NZ population which NZ’s limited hospital capacity may be able to handle, before it gets into rest of population. Most other populations are more spread out and will generally opt to modify their own behaviours to flatten the curve, before fatigue and give-no-fucks attitude starts to overwhelm initial panic in a couple of months.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:48am
  - dannz
    
    Aren’t we already over 78% over 12?
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:52am
    - dannz
      
      For first doses I mean
      
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      October 5, 2021 11:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sorry, originally it was 90% of the population. After realising the mistake they moved the goalposts – as usual
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:00am
    - Ruawai
      
      And now 90% of first doses not double doses, I am not sure on the science behind the efficacy of one dose vs two.
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:48am
    - Stu2
      
      No, it was alsways 90% of those eligible
      You could tell that from the daily health vaccination data, which was always reporting against that metric
      
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      October 5, 2021 11:20am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Citation please, for the original target being 90% of the entire population
      
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      October 5, 2021 1:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Back in June Michael Baker and other Epidemiologists were talking of needing 80-90% of all NZers (including children) to be vaccinated
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/445279/covid-19-vaccinating-children-will-help-protect-entire-population-epidemiologist
        
        Hendy’s model shown to us all on Sep 23 was considering 90% level when 5-11 year olds could also be vaccinated
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-90-vaccination-uptake-is-possible-but-alternative-is-bleak/BESXHCJ3TMNZA7QYYP7L2BDR4Y/
        
        and here
        
        News that jabs may soon be approved for children could allow New Zealand to achieve milestone,
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/24/jacinda-ardern-looks-to-life-beyond-lockdowns-with-90-vaccination-target
        
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        October 5, 2021 1:54pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Next Albert will be telling us that Baker is fake news …..
        
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        October 5, 2021 3:16pm
  - westernScientest
    
    NovaVax etc. would probably get a few more % as well
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:04am
  - Littletramp
    
    I would suggest that Air NZ is virtue signalling. How many countries will allow unvaccinated in, so why even get on a plane if you are not yet double vaxed?
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:08am
Maggie Pie

Facebook and Instagram STILL down.

I’m fine.
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October 5, 2021 9:09am
- rangitoto
  
  Their DNS servers have disappeared off the interwebs. No route to the authoritative servers.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:14am
  - rangitoto
    
    Whoops – “Facebook staff were also reportedly unable to get in to their offices today to evaluate the extent of the outage because their security passes were not working. “
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:51am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And there was this….. 🙁
  
  https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1445107410197221393
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is well done
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:39am
  - rangitoto
    
    Never cross Killery.
    
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    October 5, 2021 9:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Unless someone pissed you of – just use their name
      
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      October 5, 2021 3:19pm
- graham
  
  Good on Facebook. They finally got around to cancelling the most dangerous user – including any individual or organisation – that has ever used Facebook.
  
  Themselves.
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:39am
- alloytoo
  
  Who do we thank?
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:00am
- westernScientest
  
  what if twitter is next?
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:05am
  - alloytoo
    
    One is hopeful 🙂
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:26am
krazykiwi

It Was Always a Con: The COVID Debacle

This is the harvest of medical wisdom gained from interactions with some of the world’s leading researchers and clinicians.

We are precariously on the crossroads between recurring paralysis and breaking free of the tripe we’ve been fed, we urgently need these distinctions.

Globally, the one-two punch of “lockdowns needing vaccines as rescue” was a marketing ploy designed to remove our commonsense assessment paradigm, our psychological antivirus defenses, and become captive to a distorting set of assertions, built on a disempowering dead-end narrative.

This is likely the initial intent, and authoritarian leaning opportunists have plied these dynamics for other ends. As Julius Ruechel writes,

“This is a global, social, engineering shell game, a subscription-based business model adapted for the pharmaceutical industry.”
Immunity would no longer be a biological asset or gift, but a service that had to be rendered.

Worth a full read. Sections include: –
– Variant Lies
– Dosing Confusion
– Infectiousness
– The Virus Mutations Under Lockdown Conditions
– Leaky Vaccines
– Cross Reactive Immunity
– Vitamin D
– The Immunity Service
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October 5, 2021 9:10am
dime

When it comes to mining, we are told

“we need to leave it in the ground for future generations, what if they need it?”.

Wouldnt you think, a global pandemic that has fucked the world for 18 months, borrowing in the tens of billions.. maybe we should access some of these resources??

We know the reasoning is bullshit – leftists just dont want us to do mining, so they come up with a paper thin justification.

I know we arent going to be Norway.. but if Dime ran the show, id be investigating how to best access some of these resources and set up a wealth fund.

Im pretty sure we could do it so we dont end up with “no tourists will come here!!!!” … like we would strip mine all aroudn queenstown etc

I think what im saying is – as a group, kiwis fuck me off. maybe we do need to go broke broke to get some decent reforms.

The great capitalist reset 😀
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October 5, 2021 9:10am
- Fletch
  
  Yep, with the pandemic as it is, we’re going to have to learn to be more self sufficient. That means coal and natural gas both being produced right here at home.
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:29am
- PhilBest
  
  I’m not so sure these people say “leave it in the ground for future generations” – they want it left in the ground, period, and they want each future generation to be smaller in numbers than the last.
  
  Many of them also say that the world is heading for “resource wars”. I challenge them if they are “pro defence” or pro alliances like ANZUS, and none of them are.
  
  My conclusion then is that they are traitorous agents of the CCP who are fighting to have resources left in the ground for the CCP to help themselves to one day.
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:34am
  - Jack5
    
    The coming economic storm ….
    
    Oil has hit a seven-year high in the United States. Brent, the international gauge, rose 2.5 per cent yesterday to$81.26.
    
    The Wall St Journal reports that shale companies pumped with abandon anytime oil prices rose sharply last decade. But as crude tops $US70 a barrel, they are barely doing enough to sustain U.S. production.
    
    Liquefied natural gas prices are also at record levels on the brink of the northern winter, which causes a spike in demand.
    
    Jacindarella committed an economic crime when she shut down further oil and gas exploration in New Zealand. We will rue the day Jacindarella impulsively wiped out this potential export bonanza.
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:17am
    - kowtow
      
      I blame that idiot Peters .
      
      He crowned her and was in a position to stop Woods but didn’t.
      
      I wonder what the trade off for that deal was.
      
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      October 5, 2021 12:57pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Leave the Thoroughbred Industry alone!
        
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        October 5, 2021 1:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Everything we eat or use comes out of the ground. When will the fucked up freaks stop their nonsense? The ground was invented to be dug up
  
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  October 5, 2021 3:22pm
  - PhilBest
    
    Superb one-liner there mate!
    
    “The ground was invented to be dug up”
    
    LOVE it
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:38pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Well it was. There was fuck all invented before ‘dirt’
      
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      October 5, 2021 5:57pm
- All_on_Red
  
  A lot of gold in the Coromandel and Gt Barrier Island
  
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  October 5, 2021 3:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Has to be left there for the future – say the fucking morons with GOLD wedding rings.
    What!!! their rings are plastic??????
    
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    October 5, 2021 6:00pm
Yvette

Maori and covid
Under the Treaty, Maori are conferred the same status and protection as of all other British subjects, meaning in the context of covid, the Crown offers the only protection they have: equal access to vaccinations, and as anyone has the right to refuse, it is dependent on a supposed sense of Treaty partnership (nowhere actually stated in the Treaty), or the greater implications of the Treaty itself: their right to protect taonga (life, their Elders and themselves) or exercise the responsibilities of being equal to British subjects.

Or as Kelvin Davis has in the past said: “… Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated …” and should now add “…and least likely to be vaccinated.”

Is it a form of of Stockholm syndrome, that saw kidnapped newspaper heiress Patricia Hearst help her kidnappers rob a California bank, except are the “captors’ of Maori, actually the meme or mantra that “they will be the last – in anything”?

Should Ardern, in “hard empathy” be saying, “All we can offer you under Treaty protection is full vaccination. It is your part to remain steadfast to the values that underpin our nationhood—values like whanaungatanga, kaitiakitanga and manaakitanga. We recognise the power of being connected to each other, having an ethic of care, respect in the way we progress, and taking care of things for ourselves [our Elders] and our mokopuna.”

(I pinched the bit in italics from Rod Carr’s Climate Commission Report Ināia tonu nei: a low emissions future for Aotearoa. It is more use here, than there)
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October 5, 2021 9:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Avoid that pretentious nonsense. Maori prayer does not grace any Govt document. Apart from a gross misuse of English by interspersing a foreign lingo the contents of some of that are introducing Maori Spirits which will not be beneficial.
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:26am
WaveyDavey

I see the Wiles woman is also losing her shit at her idol turning out have feet of clay
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October 5, 2021 9:13am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Oh dear; how sad; never mind.
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:01am
- kowtow
  
  She had her feet in the surf and I think she’s damned priveliged not be having her collar pulled by Plod.
  
  But we now live in a dystopian soft autocracy where the law is applied very unevenly and the Chief Medical guy with all his sections and orders can actually publically state that swimming is not swimming , depending on who your friends are.
  
  And the chief law enforcer can say that blocking roads is not blocking roads depending on a totally subjective assessment of “vulnerability”.
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is terrible, nobody should have to get that depressed about their queen
  
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  October 5, 2021 3:23pm
krazykiwi

The UK government tries to sidestep critique of their unilateral and against-advice decision to vaccinate children (while withdrawing parental consent requirement)

Government Has a Case to Answer on Children’s Vaccination, Says Judge.
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October 5, 2021 9:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Coming to a place near you soon, to meet that projected 105% target
  
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  October 5, 2021 3:25pm
plc

Aaaaah, more innocent times

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-52962307

New Zealand’s Ozymandias revealed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPlSH6n37ts
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October 5, 2021 9:24am
dime

Last thought for the day, before I get back to… trying to break even in spite of lockdowns..

CEO’s cop a lot of crap for what they get paid. And sure, plenty arent worth it.. but goddam they are worth every cent if you get a good one.

Microsoft on an absolute tear since Satya Nadella took over.

Now it looks like Intel has found the right guy (a white man :O :O :O )

I like a good turn around story. Intel were looking like they were history.. now they are building chip fabs all over the show. Their tech roadmap back on track. Their approach is different.. all down to the new CEO.

Im just hoping for a slight drop in share price and im going in.

Intel are pretty much building a city in Arizona to make chips.

1 – its very cool
2 – the yanks need homegrown chips bad. if we have learned one thing from the rona.. ya cant always rely on trading partners.. who half hate your guts

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-breaks-ground-two-new-leading-edge-chip-factories-arizona.html#gs.cfm6ut
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October 5, 2021 9:27am
- kowtow
  
  Makes you wonder why we think it’s such a great idea to close oil refinery , gas and oil fields .
  
  While I don’t think an old style Indian self sufficiency economy is the best plan , we sure do need “resilience” .
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:21am
hookerphil

I know that this government does not care whatsoever about sport in general unless it is a trans gender going to the Olympics or a photo op but they are destroying our National game. We now have a National Rugby Championship being played without spectators except for a few family members and even worse without teams from Auckland, North Harbour and Counties. Early on these teams asked for permission to relocate to Taupo so they could continue (as all Australian sports teams have done so successfully for the last two years – more Queensland, not Taupo) but were refused.
This now means that in this age of professional sport and a pathway to a decent living for many in that area that those players are being denied any chance of displaying and improving their skills and possible selection in Super Rugby teams.
With more and more kids dropping out of sport I can only imagine the harm that is being done at all levels in all sports in the Auckland lockdown area.
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October 5, 2021 9:28am
- MCos
  
  The NRL is an entirely different proposition to our NPC.
  I remember going along to Eden Park not so long ago to watch Auckland play Canterbury. This was once one of the marque games of the seasons. The day I was there there were no spectators at all on the southern side.
  Apart from that the Counties team is actually Counties-Manukau, where most of the current covid-19 cases are located. I’m surprised Taupo wants them down there.
  
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  October 5, 2021 12:59pm
Liberal Cliche

The internet feels so good today without that cursed trashbook, and its cursed algorithm slaves hopefully it stays down forever. The virus will prob disappear with it….:P
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October 5, 2021 9:29am
- Flossie
  
  Liberal Cliche.. that’s quite selfish of you. If you don’t like/approve of social media it is easy enough to simply not click on to it. My own situation is that I have my kids living overseas with their kids and it’s been providing excellent – I would even say essential – communication for us all. I am being made to understand by a plethora of “experts” that I will never get to go overseas again and nor will I have my family be able to visit me. At 70 this means pretty much For The Rest of My Life as far as I can see.
  I’ve been and got both jabs and wear the stupid masks but I honestly feel pretty much what’s the point? What future?
  
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  October 5, 2021 9:59am
  - Liberal Cliche
    
    I’m not much against the small tools of the service it’s the platform itself, the stasi moderation, the algorithms that indoctrinate the young, the removal of legitimate content that is only removed because it doesn’t conform with their global neo-liberal worldview. There’s more going on than just sharing photos.
    
    Believe me without facebook the world will be a better place, we can stop giving the mentally ill the microphone, they can go back to the nuthouse, and people can think for themselves again instead of having an AI program think for them.
    
    Manipulated feed on your facebook, nothing you do there is of your own thinking EVERYTHING is designed to control.
    
    Use Telegram, much better tool for communication too.
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They will be installing shit on servers that will delete anything that says #Trump 2024, and ‘fuck Joe Biden’
      
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      October 5, 2021 3:35pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Want an update on your idol’s lawsuit against twitter?
        
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        October 5, 2021 3:38pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Was Facebook down? Probably only the people that hate it are upset…
  
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  October 5, 2021 3:39pm
Inandout

Firstly, thank God Facebook is down without a hint of censorship apparently.
Then I hear the UK government is looking at beginning to repay the horrendous Covid debt with perhaps a top 50% tax rate. Our Grant Robbo will surely have reached peak spending and begin payback to the money lenders?
Megyn Kelly has a good discussion on FB about payback, but of course I can’t link at present.
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October 5, 2021 9:49am
- MCos
  
  Now you can.
  
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  October 5, 2021 12:32pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

$51m spent on that wretched bike bridge! Did I read that right?

Say what you like about those bike fanatics, but they know how to spend other people’s money.
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October 5, 2021 9:58am
- alloytoo
  
  No pockets in Lycra?
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:07am
  - PhilBest
    
    Cycling tops have pockets in the small of the back. Make of that what you will….
    
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    October 5, 2021 10:36am
- PhilBest
  
  How about 90 million / 110 million /130 million (it keeps going up) for the Petone to Ngauranga cycle way?
  
  Why are the sheeple so asleep about this?
  
  The kicker is that cyclists will still be allowed to use the road anyway, it won’t be turned into a proper Highway even with the space freed up by the existing useless pathway.
  
  Drivers are going to melt down when they see groups of lycra-clad riders still using the road after all this money has been spent – well too late, idiots, you should have been paying attention NOW and fighting the colossal waste of public money NOW.
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Notice that the road lice will not be paying
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:39pm
Oldmate

It was widely recognised when the virus first became a ‘thing’ that any kind of vaccine would be many years away.

The question that really bugs me, is during that time, what was the long term plan? Lockdowns for 4-5 years?

The plan was extremely unwise in the first place. It boggles the mind.

Worse yet, I didn’t hear anyone speaking out against this entire charade from the beginning.

I feel very afraid for our country/world.
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October 5, 2021 10:00am
- PhilBest
  
  And any kind of vaccine SHOULD have been years away, and still should be. That is basic, basic intuition, and hesitation based on nothing more than this qualifies as a Human Right.
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:37am
- Liberal Cliche
  
  The only people that spoke out were deplatformed banned and called terrorists, everyone else is in on it, either passively or intentionally.
  
  Step 1: ban anyone with opposing views.
  Step2: claim nobody opposes your views.
  
  It really is that simple.
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:07am
- CAKE FACE1
  
  CAKE spoke out against this entire charade from the beginning.
  
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  October 5, 2021 12:24pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    As did I. From late March 2020.
    
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    October 5, 2021 4:01pm
Stu2

There needs to be consideration of ICUs again – ICU beds, staffing and ventilator levels.

I had forgotten how badly we compare with Australia. The number often quoted for NZ is 4.6 icu beds per 100,000 people (I think that is historic and it is slightly higher). Australia has 8.9.

The questions I posed yesterday were:

– how many empty ICU beds do we have in spring/summer?
– how much surge capacity?
– what levels are sustainable?
– what are the regional inequalities (*)?
– how much have beds/staff/ventilators been increased since the start of 2020?

(*) what do icu beds per 100,000 look like in Gisborne, Taranaki, West Coast and Southland?
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October 5, 2021 10:04am
- PhilBest
  
  On the issue of ICU capacity, I keep pointing out that it is our decision to not have surplus unused most of the time “just in case”, and if we have a big natural disaster we will have to just roll with the consequences. We can’t “protect our ICU capacity” against a massive earthquake or urban-area volcanic eruption serious-injury toll with a hard lockdown.
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:47am
alloytoo

A simple suggestion:

Perhaps everyone who is double vaxed should assemble in DownTown Auckland and demand our freedoms.

Unmasked but with our double vax cards either they will have to admit restrictions on us are worthless, or question the efficacy of the vaccine.

Either option undermines their “Pathway”
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October 5, 2021 10:06am
- MCos
  
  I’m picking that’s the direction we’re heading.
  
  By the end of the year a system will be in place to detect who has been vaccinated. Seems to be commonplace in foreign jurisdictions.
  
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  October 5, 2021 12:26pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    If murder were commonplace that would make it right.
    
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    October 5, 2021 4:05pm
Give a Man a Fish

Three Waters in a nutshell.
Maori tribal elites know what’s best for your water needs. You don’t know.
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October 5, 2021 10:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Thousands sign a petition calling for Tamaki to be charged over protest. Fair enough, the covid law was broken.
Now while they are at it how about prosecuting Labour for delivering pamphlets during the lockdown?
What’s that? It’s different when the left do it?
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October 5, 2021 10:10am
Maggie Pie

The implications of Facebook going down are YUGE for Labor!
What platform will Cindy use now to communicate with her sycophants since she side-stepped the msm?
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October 5, 2021 10:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Play school TV1 and red radio. They will be in overdrive
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, twitter is still alive and is the go to for announcements. Dorsey may have a cunning plan.
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:27am
- westernScientest
  
  LOL
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126582126/facebook-outage-confused-customers-call-spark-vodafone-to-report-internet-down
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:47am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Such a fail. My neighbour’s budgie has better diagnostic skills than do those confused customers.
    
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    October 5, 2021 4:07pm
Stu2

The Spinoff has a interesting clump of covid gaphs that it updates. https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/04-10-2021/the-spinoff-covid-tracker/

One ranks DHBs for first doses/capita. The lowest three are Lakes, Tarawhiti and Northland. They all have significant young maori populations.

Is their performance due to young maoris not taking up vaccinations strongly, or have young maori not been vaccinated due to their performance?

How well is regional marketing being done?
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October 5, 2021 10:23am
NoFax

The Government and MOH are getting more arrogant by the day.

Merck announced a new drug that effectively treats Covid – Molnupiravir. It reduces hospitlisations by 50% and in the stage III trial no one died who was given Molnupiravir. Most countries around the world are entering into negotiations to buy now the drug including Australia.

However, in New Zealand the MOH said “at this stage it has no plans to buy the drug” https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/nz-has-no-plans-order-promising-experimental-covid-19-drug. It will watch and see (i.e. do nothing) and one day might get around to talking to Medsafe and Pharmac.

So when people die from Covid and they didn’t have access to a treatment such as Molnupiravir who is at fault then?

Dr. John Campbell has a good summary of this “game-changer” drug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVW2QqHUJUw&t=24s&ab_channel=Dr.JohnCampbell
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October 5, 2021 10:28am
- PhilBest
  
  That’s just the last one on a long list that is actually effective when used the right way.
  
  HCQ works. Ivermectin works. There are numerous helpful medications that can be incorporated in a multi-ingredient protocol. People have been condemned to death in huge numbers already by the denial of these treatments.
  
  Meanwhile the fact that putting people on orthodox ventilator treatment turned out to be harmful hasn’t resulted in any reassessment of early fatality-rate “orthodoxies” that have been entrenched and unrevised since.
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:45am
  - NoFax
    
    I agree that Ivermectin is a fantastic drug and one I have advocated here a number of times. However, for a lot of reasons it didn’t get “buy-in” from governments. Unfortunately, in NZ it was dismissed and will never be taken seriously.
    
    Molnupirvir is proven in the way governments like and it costs a lot so everyone is a winner! If we were to buy 30,000 doses at NZD$1,000 a dose (rough estimate of what the US paid) then that’s NZD30m. A drop in the bucket to the 1.5b a week a lockdown costs.
    
    If we buy this plus aggressive vaccines then we can re-open on 1 December with no restrictions. From a medical point of view there is no reason not to have Molnupirvir in the tool box.
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:16am
  - Northshoredoc
    
    There is compelling evidence that HCQ does not work.
    
    The evidence to date on ivermectin is at best weak, ongoing work in the UK will provide a more definitive answer on its utility.
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:51pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      That’s funny Doc, the Indian State of Uttar Pradesh has just declared itself Covid free. They have two distinct differences from NZ – Their population is around 5% vexed, and they use Ivermectin very widely, in fact had a mass distribution of that plus Vitamin D3, Vitamin C, Zinc, plus an antibiotic, doxycycline (I think).
      
      And just to compare, next door state Kerala is going down the tax route, has 25% vaxxed fully (2 shot) and over 60% with 1 dose. Has 130K plus cases.
      
      Which approach do you think at least SOUNDS more effective ?
      
      Just maybe you should open your mind a touch, and not take what Big Pharma wants so directly. The information is available if you get rid of the blinkers.
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:25pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Lots of other drugs that are probably as good or better, and certainly a whole lot cheaper with better established safety records. They just don’t have the huge billions a year lobbying and FUD budgets of big pharma behind them. Off patent medicines are the real enemy (of profitability) as far as Big Pharma are concerned.
  
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  October 5, 2021 10:46am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Molnupiravir
  I believe that is a rehashed, patented Ivermectin at about 1000x the price.
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:33am
  - All_on_Red
    
    It isn’t. Its structure is very different. You’ve been told this a few times but yet you still persist with the lie.
    
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    October 5, 2021 12:03pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Others disagree. Structure may be different. Some difference is required for patent action.
      
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      October 5, 2021 2:16pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Appendage: I am not lying. I have not commented on this Molnupiravir previously.
      
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      October 5, 2021 2:18pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        He perhaps meant all your other lies…
        
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        October 5, 2021 3:43pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Red,
      
      It’s important to remember that Molnupiravir is just the name Bill Gates recommended Merck use. Merck’s own in-house name for it is Hydroxychloromectin.
      
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      October 5, 2021 6:08pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      I’ve seen reports that it is a mutagen, and there are distinct issues with cancer promotion. Need to follow that up though.
      
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      October 5, 2021 10:26pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  A top australian viral infection researcher laments that corruption of the Covid drug approval processes (Big Pharma FUD), particularly the campaign against Ivermectin.
  
  https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/public-health/2021/09/a-sad-and-shameful-day-for-australian-medicine/
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:46am
  - PhilBest
    
    That is an excellent article; Quadrant seldom disappoints with its editorial stance and content
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:42pm
- NoFax
  
  Chris Bishop has demanded the government buy molnupiravir https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2110/S00046/government-must-buy-covid-treatments-now.htm
  
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  October 5, 2021 3:41pm
chukar

Red alert!!
Faafoi is addressing electoral reform.

This needs immediate attention!
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October 5, 2021 10:34am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Who is that guy?
  What’s he doing plying with the law?
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Faafoi is one of Cindy’s string puppets.
    Do you think he could think of all these Gerrymandering items by himself – Nah !
    
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    October 5, 2021 2:01pm
- Nickc2
  
  WARNING – DISTRACTION INCOMING!
  
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  October 5, 2021 2:12pm
westernScientest

House price dip might just be temporary. This lot dont have the faintest idea how markets work do they:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/126581320/government-launches-shared-home-ownership-scheme-for-families-that-cant-save-a-deposit

may as well read: House prices to rise 200k as government puts in new house price pump scheme.
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October 5, 2021 10:51am
- Taieri
  
  “(…)The scheme was part of the Progressive Home Ownership programme, which Woods said had helped 53 families into homes since the launch of the programme last year.
  
  Woods said a further 113 families were “on the journey to home ownership”.(…)”
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  Quite an achievement. There’re times when I’m really proud of our Government and of our Housing Minister Dr Megan.
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:05am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Would you trust a commie govt not to take over your ownership?
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:36am
  - westernScientest
    
    at least the numbers are small so limited damage due to incompetence. Imagine how much more trouble we would be in if they were even remotely capable of delivering what they set out to do.
    
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    October 5, 2021 11:40am
Fletch

I can’t believe how the govt are pushing the vaccine as some kind of magic cure that will save us all from lockdowns. And what’s more, it is so pervasive that a lot of the general public believe it without question. They’ve promoted it as an either/or situation – either you get vaccinated or we’ll have more lockdowns. That this will somehow protect us. Those of us bothering to research on the internet know it will not. The vaccine will not stop you catching the virus or passing it on – ie, it will not stop case numbers expanding.

Jacinda yesterday hinted about other medical solutions that aren’t ready yet. Well they better get on top of it. Because vaccination is not an answer.
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October 5, 2021 10:52am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  vaccination is a partial solution, but should also add in other pharmacology – various cheap safe prophylactic measures (there are 10+ safe drugs, vitamins and supplements that look effective at reducing risk). There’s no good reason not to.
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:06am
- Stu2
  
  Well they can hardly leap from elimination direct to let it rip
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:28am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Well that is basically what they are doing, they just can’t admit to it.
    
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    October 5, 2021 12:40pm
    - Inandout
      
      UN, ending up in a covid corner, perhaps.
      https://activerain-store.s3.amazonaws.com/image_store/uploads/6/4/8/5/2/ar131070344825846.jpg
      
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      October 5, 2021 2:19pm
- Liberal Cliche
  
  They spent 20 years convincing us we needed to bomb brown goat farmers on the other side of the earth for “safety”.
  
  There is no low nor evil “democracy” will do to preserve itself.
  
  Tyrannies are usually built step by step and disguised by noble rhetoric (team of 5 million)
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:34am
- westernScientest
  
  The continual equating covid and lockdowns, like covid causes lockdowns is really frustrating. Cindy causes our lockdowns, not Covid, and certainly not the vaccination status of random individuals.
  
  Governments cause lockdowns, not covid.
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They are lying, and they are good at it. When caught they don’t care
  
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  October 5, 2021 11:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Medical solutions were scrapped to allow the vaccines to be given emergency approval (CDC). That enabled Pharma to proceed without any legal responsibility except to their shareholders to make profits.
  
  There are plenty of useful helps: sunshine, vitamin D3 etc.
  
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  October 5, 2021 2:52pm
Benedict Yu

Letting 16 year olds vote. Great. 🙁
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October 5, 2021 11:44am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m all for it, conditional on passing a Level 1 Civics unit standard.
  
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  October 5, 2021 3:45pm
  - Okahu
    
    Yes and that should go for over 65s also. If you’re still clueless then it’s time to quit thinking you should be listened too.
    
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    October 5, 2021 4:56pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sort of like getting a driving learner’s licence and keeping a full licence. I like it.
      
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      October 5, 2021 5:07pm
Durden

I did some digging for statistics to find out dependence on government in the general New Zealand population.

The number of people paid by the government is larger than private sector.

Here are the figures that you can play around with. Forgive the formatting.
Maybe there are other figures that could be useful and I can try and add if you let me know.
Note figures will not add up to 100% because figures available as as at different dates. All references to sources at end.

Interesting statistics
Raw Statistics As at Numbers Numbers calc % % Calc
A Total Population NZ Jun-21 5,122,600
B Children 0-18 Years old Q2 2021 1,220,130
C “Tertiary Students
Including Uni, Vocational, Training pivate and public” Apr-21 329,335
D Superannuitants and Veterans Dec-20 831,856
E “Beneficiaries
Supported Living, Job Seeker, Solo Parent, Other Main benefits” Sep-21 360,402
F “Government Employees
Central and Local Government, Other Govt, SOE” Dec-20 429,500
G “Central Government Consultants and contactors (excl other sectors)
$950 M Approimated at 100k each per annum” Dec-20 10,000
H Private Sector Dec-20 1,887,900

Calculations
I Adult population > 18yr 3,902,470 A – B
J Adults paid by Government fully or partially (incl loans) 1,961,093 C+D+E+F+G 50.25% J / I
K Adult Population not in government pay 48.38% H / I
L “Of Total Population those likely to be happy with lockdowns
Some children and working student may not be happy.
But some in good private jobs will be happy” 3,181,223 B+C+D+E+F+G 62.10% L/A
M Of Total Population those unlikely to be happy with lockdown 36.85% H/A

A. Total Population June 2021 5,122,600
https://www.stats.govt.nz/topics/population

B. 0-18 year olds As at 2021 Q2 1,220,130
http://infoshare.stats.govt.nz/ViewTable.aspx?pxID=c9d00d76-5d2b-48a3-92ce-3c7b153381b2
Or input selection from this page and hit go.from this page
http://infoshare.stats.govt.nz/SelectVariables.aspx?pxID=719cd00a-2bb0-4b2b-b546-8f57d357ff06

C. Tertiary Participation April 2021 Includes University, Vocational and Industry 329,335
https://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/__data/assets/excel_doc/0006/76659/Provider-based-Enrolments-2011-2020.xlsx

D. Superannuitants and Veterans December 2020 831,856
https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/benefit/2020/benefit-fact-sheets/quarterly-benefit-fact-sheets-nzs-and-vp-tables-december-2020.xlsx

E. Beneficiaries with Main benefits Sept 2021 360,402
Supported Living, Job Seeker, Solo Parent, Other Main benefits
https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/weekly-reporting/2021/sep/income-support-weekly-update-24-september-2021.pdf

F. The public sector employed people (headcount) in 2020 around 429,500
Public Sector, Education, Health, SOEs, Other Govt entities and Local government
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/our-work/workforce-data/the-composition-of-the-wider-public-sector/

G. Consultants and contractors in Public Sector in 2019-2020 paid $975 Million equivalent 10,000 people
Assuming 100k per annum average that is a consultant count of 9,750 assume 10,000
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/our-work/workforce-data/contractors-and-consultants-expenditure/

H. Private Sector Dec 2020 1,887,900
Select Private Sector only in last selection criteria at this link
https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/our-work/workforce-data/the-composition-of-the-wider-public-sector/
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October 5, 2021 12:01pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Good work. Format it up and send to DPF as a guest post.
  
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  October 5, 2021 12:22pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Even I would read it if the information was presented to support as a cogent argument
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:47pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  So more than half the population votes for a living, exploiting the efforts of taxpayers to support their lifestyles and outvoting them in elections that are the only means for holding the tendency to growth of state+welfare in check. That is a terminal tipping point for a democracy.
  
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  October 5, 2021 12:45pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Hell, if DPF doesn’t want it send it to us at No Minister.
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:05pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Where no one would read it. Seems like a big ask of Durden to do more work for no audience.
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:48pm
- cmm
  
  You forgot WFF.
  
  Most people get far more out of the system than they put in. I suspect that there are less than 10% net taxpayers in NZ.
  
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  October 5, 2021 2:41pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Including GST as well?
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:49pm
CAKE FACE1

I must admit that I found the decisions yesterday to be shocking.

Mr Bloomfield expects L3 for Auckland for another 4 – 8 weeks! How will Aucklanders cope with another 8 week prison sentence…

Wow, just wow. The NZ economy will be on its knees.

I’m shocked at how compliant New Zealanders are. The fear levels must be off the charts, to accept this bullying.

Something must snap. I don’t see how this madness can continue indefinitely…
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October 5, 2021 12:03pm
- alloytoo
  
  If the past couple of days are anything to go by, most people don’t really give a shit anymore.
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:10pm
- cmm
  
  “The NZ economy will be on its knees.”
  
  It already is and has been kicked in the balls. We’re already facing a generation of debt.
  
  Missing the summer tourism season (too late to save that even if they wanted to) is going to make this a lot worse.
  
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  October 5, 2021 2:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That will be the end of any decent schooling and exam season for our secondary pupils in the Auckland region.
  
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  October 5, 2021 2:04pm
krazykiwi

The latest MIQ Lottery in Human Misery is underway. The likelihood of our family being reunited this Christmas is now nil.
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October 5, 2021 12:11pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Someone here at work is no. 1807 at the moment
  
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  October 5, 2021 12:32pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Just read this: “I’m a single mum of three children (2,5 and 6) today marks 3 months since I’ve seen my babies, with no end in sight. 19,262 in line today, and as each day goes by and each MIQ ‘lottery’ passes things feel more and more hopeless. My mental health is the worst it’s ever been. In a country with no friends, no family, unable to work. What is one suppose to do?”
  
  And yes, I’m ashamed to say, there are NZers who will say “serves you right for leaving NZ”.
  
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  October 5, 2021 12:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I would like to hear Jaspinda answer that question. It would be word soup of course
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:37pm
  - cmm
    
    I don’t think it serves her right, but sheesh – it was very risky behaviour leaving and this outcome was highly likely.
    
    I don’t think it serves a woman right when she gets molested walking through a park alone late and night, but, FFS, use your brain!
    
    My neighbour is stuck in Oz since June – having just nipped over to see her family for two weeks…
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:47pm
- ecco
  
  How come the government can actually keep finding more capacity with these ridiculous lotteries? Why don’t they just give it all out and then have a waiting list.
  
  I see on stuff there’s 24,000 trying to get 3,700 places. It’s truly awful. They need to introduce home isolation to double vaxxed people wanting to come back and airport testing.
  
  Imagine going through that process 3+ times and not getting a place. Truly awful. Must go down as one of the worst government ideas in NZ history.
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:50pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Each room is, on average, accommodating 1.7 people. So today approximately 6,200 people got lucky.
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:48pm
Warren

Why would you want Kris Faafoi touching the Electoral Act unless you wanted a absolute mess , every he touches just like Geoffrey Palmer it normally turns to shit and while I do think that it should looked at the only way I see neutrality is for it to be done is with all party’s input.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/126581083/government-launches-major-review-of-electoral-law-to-include-voting-age-and-party-funding
But you could bet bottom this law and it’s changes will only benefit one Party and that will be this present corrupt Government.
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October 5, 2021 1:01pm
- ecco
  
  I’m guessing they will try and lower the voting age. That would benefit them, especially their student voting bloc.
  
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  October 5, 2021 5:54pm
waikatosinger

Still no locations of interest in Hamilton despite being moved to level 3 because of a hospitalised case in Hamilton East. I interpret that as the person not cooperating and providing locations. A gang member?
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October 5, 2021 1:05pm
Alan Wilkinson

NZ news is all so depressing I need to go out and do something and forget I live here.
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October 5, 2021 1:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Get plastered! Alcohol will not fix the problems but neither will milk. Alcohol also tastes better
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:13pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Fresh country air and something useful to do works better. Got plenty of both.
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:19pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Steve, get a bike mate. And some lycra. I’d pay good money to see you join us 🙂 🙂
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Podium of truth. Some crazy saying Covid is the disease of the unvaccinated. Fuck off. The socialist propaganda is strong with this crazy. The vaccinated get the disease as well. The vax is NOT a vax, it is just medication or a placebo.
Jaspinda is now spouting ‘I want, I want’ Remind you of a kid stamping feet?
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October 5, 2021 1:11pm
- westernScientest
  
  would you trust whoever this num nuts talking about the new dystopian government controlled documents? Its all ok, they have a privacy statement, for you know if your one of those weirdos who want to know what enterprises the government will give your data to.
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:19pm
  - westernScientest
    
    this is going to be a Fup on the scale of kiwibuild…
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:23pm
  - westernScientest
    
    looks like they are going to use it to try and shut down religious gatherings. I bet the Christians and Jews get a lot of visits but a different special group will be exempt. I wonder how this would work for a marae?
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:32pm
  - westernScientest
    
    oh wow she just admitted she has no idea if it is even legal, and what law changes might be required to be rammed through, they will work that out later.
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:34pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Forget the law; Cinders word is sufficient.
      
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      October 5, 2021 2:34pm
  - westernScientest
    
    and she just threatened to go back into lockdown if she didnt get her way….
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:48pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  No it is not a placebo. Seriously?
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:39pm
- Northshoredoc
  
  Stop spouting nonsense Steve.
  
  The vaccine is a vaccine and a pretty good one.
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Never heard of a control group?
    
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    October 5, 2021 2:25pm
dave_c_

Huh, What lying B___’s.
Govt disclosure to date – “We have not made a decision to introduce Vaccine passports. . . ”
1:15pm today, they announce NZ WILL be introducing passports.
That may be ok in its own right, however, the lying B___’s, just happened to have a ‘demonstration ‘of what we have built’ in their hip pocket.
Must’ve whipped it up overnight huh ?
The presentation looked and felt very amateurish – Here comes another Kiwibuild like experience.!
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October 5, 2021 1:22pm
- septic skeptic
  
  You mean the ministry officials are standing at the podium looking like spare pricks at a wedding while Ardern hogs the limelight?
  Or is it that you can’t hear the questions only the answers?
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lies, they do it so well. We are all 5 years old
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:40pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I’ve just signed up for the certificate. Surprised how good the website is. They must have been working on this for some time.
  
  I have said before that the Government should not mandate its use other than for international travel. But worryingly they are in ‘discussions’ with the hospitality sector. I think we will find that by December a majority of bars and restaurants require them for entry.
  
  Good that they have said that they will prohibit supermarkets from using them. Yesterday Judith Collins said she would support unvaccinated people being banned from supermarkets. How odd.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300418752/covid19-nz-judith-collins-comfortable-with-supermarkets-and-airlines-barring-unvaccinated-people
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:47pm
  - Liberal Cliche
    
    You think a bar is going to stop 7 Mongrol mob from entering because they didn’t show their vax pass?
    
    Even the police don’t stop large gatherings of gangs.
    
    On a side note opening a bar for non-vaccinated, whilst banning the vaxxed is a great business opportunity. Call it “Pure Blood”
    
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    October 5, 2021 2:05pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Of course not. I don’t go to bars that cater to gang members. I’m saying that MOST venues will refuse entry to the unvaccinated. But there will be plenty that cater to the unvaccinated.
      
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      October 5, 2021 4:11pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      “Mischblut verboten”?
      
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      October 5, 2021 5:10pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    If Judith looses her sense we really will have an ACT Govt.
    ~~Vaccine Passports~~
    
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    October 5, 2021 2:25pm
  - Inandout
    
    BY, Jacinda won’t bar her unvaccinated gang mates from getting into a supermarket so I understand her stance. Judith is away with the fairies on this one or does she wish to see unvacced beggars sitting outside supermarkets?
    
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    October 5, 2021 2:36pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Where is the consistency or the clear set of values.
    JC Statement 1: Businesses should be able to bar the unvaccinated once it’s widely available. (Vaccination is a misleading term because this vax doesn’t stop you giving it or getting it. So bans are ok on the basis of health and safety? Then what about banning people with certain criminal convictions? Shouldn’t criminal convictions be on the health passport. The terrorist was allowed to enter the supermarket and fly on a plane to Samoa and stab multiple people at the shops without disclosing his clearly stated criminal convictions, surely this is more dangerous than the healthy unvaxxed? If not why not. What about hate speech crimes this could be dangerous – Should these be on the vax passport so we can ban people from entering the store.
    Statement 2. Businesses should be able to incentivise people to vaccinate with a bonus. (Weird. Can bosses incentivise you to take other new technology medications which includes death as a rare side effect for the good of the company? What about anti depression tablets – can your boss incentivise you to take them. This affects your performance and other staff.)
    3. But opposes businesses being able to fire people who are unvaxxed. (So you can ban people from entering your store without vaccination but the staff in your store may be unvaxxed?)
    I won’t be asking staff about their personal medical choices. I encourage them to stay home if they’re sick. I respect their personal space, personal choices and privacy.
    
    Stop the unvaxxed entering shops if you will, but then how will the vaxxed explain it when they are still regularly becoming infected.
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:43pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Would you like some help with building a few more strawmen?
      
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      October 5, 2021 5:12pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        In what way is that a strawman. It’s perfectly valid. Under what circumstances , in new set of values, are we allowed to ask about someone’s personal details when entering a store. If Medical records are now public why not criminal records, they are both a health risk?
        
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        October 5, 2021 6:14pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I think we will find that by December a majority of bars and restaurants require them for entry
    
    We’ve been here before, and I believe we are in agreement.
    
    For clarity, I don’t care what individual bar and restaurant owners insist on.
    
    But I care deeply that the government should force them to demand evidence before admitting patrons. That is both creepy and dystopian.
    
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    October 5, 2021 4:26pm
  - ecco
    
    Can you post a link Benedict to the vaxx certificate site. Thanks
    
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    October 5, 2021 6:09pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  McElnay said Covid was becoming a “disease of the unvaccinated” across the globe.
  
  The people have so much confidence in following the crowd they forget duty. The reports now are that it is the vaccinated who are infecting each other and the unvaccinated. The viral load is being increased with each jab and that is preparing the body for other viruses. The vaccinated are storing up trouble for the future.
  This dance has not yet finished.
  
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  October 5, 2021 2:32pm
krazykiwi

So, Vaccine Certificates in November. Must be able to identify the untermenschlich unvaccinated. Think I’ll voluntarily wear an armband.
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October 5, 2021 1:28pm
- Andrei
  
  Vaccine Certificates have probably been the endgame all along.
  
  With these the Government will have total control over where you can work, where you can go and what you can do.
  
  And of course to keep it up to date you will have to comply with whatever horrors they come up with in the future
  
  With these EVIL THINGS you have totally surrendered your freedom and personal autonomy
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:34pm
  - westernScientest
    
    it wont stop at vaccines, welcome to the implementation of the dystopian social credit system.
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:51pm
    - Liberal Cliche
      
      Climate passport, scan it before you get your ration of 10 litres petrol.
      
      Step by step tyranny. Even worse is we don’t get the nice clean streets and 0 crime rate as North Korea, we get axed to death by government funded gangs.
      
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      October 5, 2021 2:23pm
- Okahu
  
  Brilliant idea. Possibly your best yet.
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:35pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Thanks, Okahu. I only get one good idea a month. I can now enjoy a blissful nap.
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:53pm
- cmm
  
  This has been introduced under the smokescreen of being for legitimate medial reasons, however it is soon going to be used as a way to drive other agendas/activism.
  
  This is nothing new. Consider London congestion charges. They’re introduced to reduce congestion, but are not applied to EVs which cause just as much congestion. A legitimately introduced charge gets bent for activism.
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:38pm
  - westernScientest
    
    That already happens here, EVs are exempt from road user charges, have access to special vehicle lanes, and I think have a reduced or exempt from rego.
    
    This is a really scary road they are forcing us down.
    
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    October 5, 2021 1:46pm
    - cmm
      
      Chistchurch is coming up with “zero emission zones” – areas where fuel-burning vehicles will not be allowed. Wellington and Auckland have already signed up.
      
      Of course only fuel burning vehicles will pay for the roads they are driving on.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/126569999/climate-change-agreement-may-lead-to-zero-emission-zones-in-christchurch
      
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      October 5, 2021 2:35pm
      - westernScientest
        
        FFS, another reason not to go into the city
        
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        October 5, 2021 2:43pm
- Stu2
  
  Hooray
  About time
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:48pm
- dcrane
  
  Idiotic. We don’t have to change our way of life forever for this virus, but it looks like we’re going to choose that path.
  
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  October 5, 2021 2:38pm
ecco

Did anyone see the AM show panel this morning, it was Des Gorman, Hendy and some immunologist. Bridge asked Hendy if it was going to be really bad and we’d never get back to normal life ever again, would have to wear masks etc for the rest of our lives? Hendy basically said ‘yes, for a long time.’

Des was hilarious, he just rolled his eyes on tv at Hendy’s response as if to say ‘what a d**k’ and just slammed him with a very logical explanation that we would have to learn to live with covid, like we do with all other illnesses and weigh up the risks. It was pure gold. Des is not afraid of anyone! Go Des!!
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October 5, 2021 1:31pm
- Northshoredoc
  
  Des has always been like that, can’t be bothered treating morons with kid gloves.
  
  More power to him.
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:44pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Hendy had better hope he gets a high rank in the next Labour list. His credibility is shot to pieces and surely nobody with half a brain would employ him now. Oh wait – he works at a university – nuff said.
  
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  October 5, 2021 1:46pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    All pay, no responsibility.
    
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    October 5, 2021 2:20pm
  - mandk
    
    Even better than working at a university, is working in a university department with a maori name that no one can remember.
    How could he be fired, if no one knows where to send the termination notice?
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:33pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Do you know if the video is available anywhere?
  
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  October 5, 2021 2:01pm
  - Ruawai
    
    Ryan Bridge AM Show interview today with Sean Hendy, Des Gorman and Graham Le Gros with Graham and Des rolling their eyes and smirking at Hendy’s comments.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/10/covid-19-new-zealand-probably-won-t-get-back-to-alert-level-1-normality-again-shaun-hendy.html
    
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    October 5, 2021 2:55pm
  - ecco
    
    Can’t find it anywhere. I record it on mysky and just watch the main item at 7.10am.
    There’s a good extended interview with Des on the nz initiative podcast. You can find it if you google that.
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:55pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Sounds like Hendy has a personality disorder.
  
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  October 5, 2021 2:22pm
WaynelSexton

The evidence is in, the unvaccinated have killed millions.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpo_kDhsLrU
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October 5, 2021 1:44pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Perspective; After vaccination Covid increases your risk of dying this year by abou 2%, I think most people would be extremely relaxed about it if they understood just how small their risk is.
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October 5, 2021 1:50pm
Stu2

First doses up on the same day a week ago, might be levelling rather than dropping

Sunday 26 – 8,245
Sunday 3 – 7,041
Fell but not down by 6,000 as it was the two weeks before

Monday 27 – 12,702
Monday 4 – 14,846
Up. First time for ages

Weekly data comes out tomorrow
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October 5, 2021 1:53pm
- dcrane
  
  Quite rational for some to conclude only now that vaccination makes sense, since now there is a real risk of catching the virus, a risk that is likely to increase.
  
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  October 5, 2021 2:36pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    True that. Some people adjust to changing circumstances.
    
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    October 5, 2021 3:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“The more the plans fail, the more the planners plan.”
-Ronald Reagan.
Sound familiar?
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October 5, 2021 1:54pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Lucky he had no plan then.
  
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  October 5, 2021 3:50pm
Surely Knott

Good Questions. Journalists who requested communications between the UK science advisors and Fauci early in the pandemic around the time that the Wuhan Lab leak theory was being quashed, received 32 emails that were almost completely redacted. Will our own journalists be doing any digging into what communications our own science staff had on this matter. https://dailysceptic.org/2021/10/04/government-hides-details-of-key-conversation-between-leading-scientists-on-covids-origins/?fbclid=IwAR3-yZHmbTTn-DGyidouuJXSqbi6iIcIxV8uiNdi3DYp5wpwOdfPkjbgxGo
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October 5, 2021 1:55pm
westernScientest

Project Veritas latest video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On5RYFbcxWY

Nothing new, would trust the pfizer scientist over our government
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October 5, 2021 2:28pm
Liberal Cliche

Pfizer Scientists caught on undercover video .

These Pfizer employees saying antibodies are better than the vax.

Also saying things like “make it so inconvenient for the unvaxed that they just say fuck it and get vaxed”

Absolutely diabolical and not surprised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On5RYFbcxWY
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October 5, 2021 2:52pm
- dcrane
  
  So diabolical to be forcing those with existing immunity to get the jab, which gives inferior immunity anyway. And many of those already-infected people are the young laborers who worked through the pandemic while the pajama-job class sat at home on Zoom getting their paychecks without a hitch. We are well overdue for some pitchforks.
  
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  October 5, 2021 7:33pm
Maggie Pie

“It’s quite easy being Green”

– Kermit

‘MP for Tijuana’ pulls $200k Taxpayer funded salary while laying in la cama for last 7 WEEKS.
Tweets….”It is not the right time to change our approach, we need to stick with elimination”

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1444871595768512514

SHEESH!!!
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October 5, 2021 2:56pm
Fletch

A new Veritas video where they secretly record three scientists who work for Pfizer. “Basically our organisation is run on Covid money now – it netted over $15 billion last year.” And they admit that, yes, having had the virus confers more immunity than the vaccine does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On5RYFbcxWY
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October 5, 2021 3:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Send that to the pink terror
  
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  October 5, 2021 4:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How is this for leftist word soup? Must have been studying Grunt and Jaspinda.
https://rumble.com/vnbg8n-psaki-repeats-debunked-claim-that-bidens-budgets-wont-cost-americans-anythi.html?
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October 5, 2021 3:49pm
dave_c_

Our corrupt lying and controlling PM could easily be Faucci’s daughter:

Guess another Christmas is going down.

Chief White House medical adviser Anthony Fauci said on Sunday that it was “too soon to tell” whether people should abstain from meeting for Christmas this year amid the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

Fauci told CBS “Face the Nation” host Margaret Brennan that it was “just too soon to tell” if Americans would need to curb the size and scope of their holiday celebrations as was recommended last year.

“We’ve just got to concentrate on continuing to get those numbers down and not try to jump ahead by weeks or months and say what we’re going to do at a particular time,” Fauci said.
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October 5, 2021 3:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

‘Faucci’s’ Too many ‘C’s. One is more than enough
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October 5, 2021 4:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Am I the only person in NZ who doesn’t give a stuffy-poo about summer Music festivals?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300423092/covid19-nz-government-will-mandate-new-vaccine-certificates-for-summer-festival-attendees

Are summer music festivals really what Government needs to be bothered with?
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October 5, 2021 4:36pm
- DeepBlue
  
  They are not talking to you, but the many young people who holiday at concerts over summer. The hard to reach people who might just see this as a reason to get vaccinated now, before the festival season.
  
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  October 5, 2021 4:45pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Indeed.
    
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    October 5, 2021 5:16pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh rubbish..
    
    Have you seen who turns up to Rhythm and Vines?
    
    A great whitewash of middle-upper class folks.
    
    Not the marginalised, I assure you.
    
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    October 5, 2021 7:54pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes, the younger ones do tend to go to much more contemporary festivals.
      Are there any large events targeted at rangatahi in Tūranganui-a-Kiwa?
      
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      October 5, 2021 8:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        $780 for a 2.5 day festival!
        You’re dreaming if that’s targeted at rangatahi from hereabouts.
        
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        October 5, 2021 9:48pm
- westernScientest
  
  I doubt many do, but its just the thin edge of the wedge, to be expanded to gyms etc. then bars etc. supermarkets, petrol stations etc.
  
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  October 5, 2021 4:48pm
- bruceavon
  
  I dont think you will be in the target group there Maggie. The vaccine passports overseas have worked to make the young people get the vaccine who havent bothered. Especially in Ireland. Fear of missing out is massive with young people. 18 – 24 year olds have low uptake. If they cant go to gigs and festivals it will surely work. For the young people I know, kids of friends etc, going to the festival is the highlight of their summer.
  
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  October 5, 2021 5:19pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I think the point is Maggy that festivals are something that Jacinda’s demographic enjoy and which she attends. So those sort of things need to be looked after. Enlightened self interest so to speak.
  
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  October 5, 2021 7:59pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, I agree.
    
    Last year the big thing was all about having your illicit drugs tested at the festivals…
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300273073/government-to-make-festival-drug-testing-law-permanent-after-survey-shows-testing-changed-behaviour
    
    It might have been better if the Government had been focused on getting some vaccines organised
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:13pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…

Who was the long haired 63 year-old man, with tattooed-on eyebrows, attending a Destiny Church led mass anti-lockdown protest in Auckland on Saturday?

Asking for a friend at the NZ Herald 😀
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October 5, 2021 4:44pm
Aquataur

Big mistake to prosecute Brian Tamaki for the peaceful protest last weekend

Another right – the right to peaceful protest – is trashed by this sorry excuse for a Government and their brownshirted Police Commissioner.

I hope this serves as a wake-up call to Kiwis but am not holding my breath
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October 5, 2021 4:57pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Well, Brian Tamaki had a chance to influence our laws last year. He will have another chance in two years. Until then, he might just have to follow the law like everyone else.
  
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  October 5, 2021 5:20pm
  - NoFax
    
    Where do you get this insane idea that we as citizens cannot protest and get the government to change it’s mind? It’s just anti-democratic.
    
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    October 5, 2021 6:00pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You can protest, of course, but your protest must comply with the law. See 1981 Springbok Tour, Bastion Point, etc, etc.
      
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      October 5, 2021 8:45pm
  - Aquataur
    
    Yeah – like David Clarke who ignored the law last year? Or Helen Clark – the one who was party to a forgery? Or Phil Goff, who admits he broke the law in his Vietnam protest?
    
    What you mean are politicians are above the law while they expect everyone else to follow it
    
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    October 5, 2021 6:09pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It wouldn’t worry me if they had all been prosecuted. Have you never broken any law at all, never trespassed, never been warned even?
      
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      October 5, 2021 8:47pm
- dcrane
  
  Makes me feel more motivated to make a statement by showing up at the next rally.
  
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  October 5, 2021 7:30pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    And you should protest, which you can do while following the health orders in place for your location.
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:48pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The same plodder who allowed his staff to help Maori take personal control of the road users in the North.
  Also the geezer who allowed the Ihumatao and other land activists to occupy land and hence deny title. He should be sued for the outcomes as this is partly a civil matter.
  If this govt and cronies are not gone within 6 months say goodbye to NZ.
  
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  October 5, 2021 7:41pm
ecco

I see the police are charging Brian Tamaki for that rally. Hope they are also charging whoever organised that gang tangi procession as well. Can’t have the gang just getting a ‘reminder’ of the rules from the police for a similar infraction.

Or is this a similar situation to the Wiles swimming episode? Depends who you are.
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October 5, 2021 4:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It is almost as if different cases might be, well, different.
  
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  October 5, 2021 5:21pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    All cases are different, but the concept of Common Law has been around for 955 years. You are watching it unravel in New Zealand. Watch closely. Your grandkids will ask about it.
    
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    October 5, 2021 6:39pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Exactly 955 years? Was it uncommon before it magically became common in 1066 CE?
      Even Ugly Truth could do better: insisting his right to drive without a license could be dated back to Alfred the Great.
      
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      October 5, 2021 8:52pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, this us evidence writ large of our enforcement being politically guided. Should be repugnant in a functioning democracy.
  
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  October 5, 2021 6:40pm
CAKE FACE1

I thought that yesterday the government would move Auckland into L2, and everyone else to L1.

It has been in a brutal lockdown for about eight weeks so far for Aucklanders. Surely we must be near the end of the “hard and fast” lockdown? Also, the government was saying that the elimination strategy was being abandoned. In this case, I thought that there would be no more need for levels 4 or 3. What would be the point?

Instead of moving down levels, Cindy announced that L3 would stay, but you were allowed to go on a picnic. To me, this is simply surreal. You have to hand it to her. How does she come up with this stuff? It would be comedy gold, if the country wasn’t going bankrupt. Next it will be – we are staying L3, but you can pretend to be a giraffe, or perhaps an tiger, in your front garden! Roar!

Dr Bloomfield says this L3 with picnics could continue another 8 weeks more. This is incredibly brutal for Aucklanders. Why are they doing this? It wasn’t explained.

New Zealanders don’t seem to mind. I find this bizarre. A bunch of bureaucrats have stolen eighteen months of our lives, and are now locking us away for the best part of four months for no apparent reason whatsoever.

I found everything totally strange in the latest Nuremburg Rally, essentially from the beginning to end.

There were no dates, thresholds or targets mentioned. Virtually every other country in the world is either finished, or almost finished, with this nasty flu restrictions. In New Zealand, it is planned that these restrictions continue – forever!

Still, no-one complained. No-one asked for additional information. Everyone seems happy with this state of affairs.

Someone is insane. Either I’m insane (it’s quite likely), or the rest of the people in the country are nuts. None of this makes any sense at all.

Where was the roadmap? What is the plan? Where is the exit strategy?

Answers on a postcard…
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  October 5, 2021 7:37pm
Aquataur

Why the F do those living on Waiheke think they are so special ?

They are in the Auckland region but now want to stop Aucklander’s visiting the island under the new restrictions. Why shouldn’t Aucklanders be similarly prevented from visiting Omaha, Warkworth, Muriwai and any of the other areas that we are now permitted to visit?

If they feel so entitled to be separate from Auckland, then F*** them – no more of my dollar spend on their cafes vineyards or wine. If they don’t want us now, then they can whistle for my custom later
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October 5, 2021 5:25pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Don’t worry, no one will force you to visit Waiheke, and the folks there won’t miss you.
  
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  October 5, 2021 5:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You can now go from the Shore or Remmers and get to your ‘other’ house. Then get the Sea Legs in the water. Got petrol?
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October 5, 2021 6:13pm
Maggie Pie

1EWES reports…. A 23 year old man has been recaptured after escaping the Jet Park MIQ Facility in Mangere.

He has appeared in Court charged with breaking lockdown rules…and kicking a policewoman in the face.

The man has been granted name-suppression.

Bet it’s not say….. ‘Smith’ or ‘Jones’
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October 5, 2021 6:18pm
- Stu2
  
  Not an easy job Policing, I’m very grateful to them
  
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  October 5, 2021 7:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Sooo right there Stu!
    As my partner said…..we blew $51m on CONCEPTS for a ‘cycleway’.
    Think how many Glock 22’s that would have bought.
    
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    October 5, 2021 8:35pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      For $51 million you could have bought out a few of your neighbours in Otahuhu.
      
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      October 5, 2021 8:54pm
Maggie Pie

And can someone please get a message thru to sports reporter Andrew Saville…..’Maori Language Week’ finished over 2 weeks ago.

SHEESH!!
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October 5, 2021 6:47pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Project Veritas on Pfizer. You are being conned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On5RYFbcxWY
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October 5, 2021 6:49pm
ecco

Just heard Don Braid of Mainfreight and Chris Quinn from Foodstuffs on HDPA Drive show at 4pm saying they have been several times to the government to ask if they can use rapid antigen testing to monitor staff and keep covid from running rampant in their workforce.

Been told multiple times ‘NO’ and Ardern’s government ministers shrugging their shoulders and saying it’s the MOH’s department. Then Ashley Bloomfield’s department stonewalling a testing method that is used worldwide by businesses and has been in Australia for quite a while. RIDICULOUS bureaucracy and buck passing. No wonder so many people fear for NZ with this sort of crap going down.

Unbelievable telling these guys, Braid, head of one of the most successful listed NZ companies of recent times, (Mainfreight shares 40% average annual return over the past 5 years) that he can’t do something his company is doing in many other countries. Ardern and Robertson should be going and asking these guys what they would do, instead of the CAN’T DO attitude they have running through their administration.
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