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Warren

Auckland truck driver visited Manawatu tests positive for Covid -19 .
Will this be the final nail that closes the door on the elimination of Covid – 19 or will Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister’s luck, not good management stop the Delta strain from reaching the small Towns and Community’s of New Zealand.
Thirteen new locations of interest including Supermarkets, Service Stations and Burger King are among the locations of interest, after a truck driver who traveled to Palmerston North tests positive.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/452783/auckland-truck-driver-who-visited-manawatu-tests-positive
While I do not wish Covid on anyone this is a long time coming the sooner it happens the better we will deal with it as it would be interesting to get the figures on how many morare seeking help from our Health Service for Mental Health caused by continuing lockdowns.
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October 3, 2021 8:00am
- R
  
  Each month we’ve had about 230 cases of Covid, on average, for the past 18 months. The idea that we are suddenly going to eliminate the virus would be hilarious were it not for the severe strain, including job losses and business closures, that many people are under due to the restrictions.
  
  The good news is that only 260 people have been hospitalised due to Covid. That is fewer than the number of people that have reportedly suffered serious side-effects from the vaccine. Furthermore, 260 people out of a population of 5,122,600 (according to Stats NZ) means that 99.995% of the population has NOT been hospitalised.
  
  People need to stop panicking.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:14am
- Aurelia
  
  The truckie probably isn’t even sick
  
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  October 3, 2021 8:42pm
mikenmildagain

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Some odd quirks of New Zealand prime ministers:

Walter Nash hoarded almost every piece of paper he saw
Keith Holyoake’s passion for property development
John Marshall made his sons choose and cut the branches with which he flogged them
Norman Kirk’s paranoid secrecy
Rob Muldoon’s love for Black Power
David Lange’s uncontrolled passions for food, cars and women
Geoffrey Palmer’s ability to write books no one read
Mike Moore’s ability to write books no one bought
Jim Bolger’s unconscious imitation of the accents of foreign dignitaries
Jenny Shipley’s compulsion to remind everyone of he moral superiority ‘as a child of the manse’
Helen Clark’s insistence that public servants call her ‘Helen’
John Key’s playful cafe antics
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October 3, 2021 8:00am
- alloytoo
  
  Ardern tilting her head and compulsively lying?
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:54am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Not a quirk, it’s a trademark.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:16am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    War on truth.
    
    Straight out of the how to be a tyrant playbook.
    
    “The only truth is the truth we tell you “
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:27am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Also providing that serious looks as if she understands the difference between GST and GDP.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:33am
  - crikey
    
    “I refude that. I am not a compulsive liar”.
    
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    October 3, 2021 2:59pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is our Dear PM free of odd quirks?
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:55am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    Her ability to believe the lies that she tells?
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:06am
    - bennerg
      
      More, she lies because of her beliefs.
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:20pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Wasn’t going to add the incumbent. Seems most Kiwibloggers has plenty of suggestions.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:29am
  - Nickc2
    
    She is one (a quirk of nature that is)!
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:38am
- RockyJ
  
  That is funny Milky. I wonder how Jacinda’s quirks will be remembered? Maybe her tendency to blunt the sounds of consonants in the middle of words. “I udderly refute….”.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:59am
- Trev
  
  Add alcohol to the list for Lange in the years before he went teetotal. I’ll never forget a speech he made at a private function in his pre stomach stapling days when he was still drinking. It was hugely entertaining. Brandy? in hand and threequarters pissed he lampooned his supporters and other Labour Party politicians.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:07am
- Simon
  
  Zero covid nut job Cindy awake at night thinking up theories how the virus was able to outsmart her elite Labo party.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:10am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well Simon, I tried to make it a quirky list. I could make another list of the nastiest things about PMs since 1957, but that wouldn’t really fit with the measured and sober assessments that are such a feature of Kiwiblog comments, and I would definitely have to include those PMs still living, rather than just the incumbent.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:34am
    - Simon
      
      Cindy lying awake at night thinking up crackpot covid theories isn’t nasty. Nasty is say ro vaxxing children, or MIQ or increase in child suicide due to insane lockdown. … [Deleted].
      Stick to quirky is it helps you deal with reality of these zero covid nut jobs.
      
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      October 3, 2021 10:56am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Obsessed much?
        
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        October 3, 2021 11:34am
    - Than
      
      And yet your “quirky” fact about John Key leaned very much towards nasty. Funny that.
      
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      October 3, 2021 11:22am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        What else is new Than?
        
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        October 3, 2021 11:38am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        There has not been enough biographical treatment of Sir John yet. He has had only one biographer so far, I don’t know if he is interested in leave memoirs. It is too soon to make a measured assessment of his life and political impact – he is far from retired yet, in any event.
        The quirks I have described are generally pretty harmless ones, except for Kirk’s and Lange’s.
        
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        October 3, 2021 11:49am
      - coge
        
        The luvvies shrieked. Laughing in semi faux approval. As they do.
        
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        October 3, 2021 12:10pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      Irregular verb: I’m quirky but you are snide.
      
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      October 3, 2021 11:58am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m very sorry to have to inform you that quirky and snide are adjectives rather than verbs.
        #allpartsofspeechmatter
        
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        October 3, 2021 12:35pm
      - Bluegrass
        
        @ mikenmildagain: awesome deflection, bud.
        
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        October 3, 2021 12:53pm
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        For mma.
        
        Bertrand Russell invented (in 1948, while on a radio programme, The Brains Trust, I think) something he called “irregular verbs” to show how we describe our own behaviour more generously than another’s. His example was, IIRC a book I read nearly 50 years ago:
        
        I am firm.
        You are obstinate.
        He is a pig-headed fool.
        
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        October 3, 2021 2:43pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Thanks. I must read more of him – he had a great sense of humour and rationality. For example Russell’s Teapot.
        
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        October 3, 2021 7:59pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Hmm, Geoffrey Palmer, constitutional law guy that has his face in every media outlet with some perceived breach of constitutional law when Nats are in power, then disappears when his Labour Party use tyrannical powers to restrict the population. On ya Geoff.
  And the best you could come up with for Key was “playful cafe antics”? You could have used his scarcely believable ability to soak up vast quantities of information on pretty much any subject and speak factually on it at a later time.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:35am
  - Gravelroad
    
    How about-
    Helen Clark’s love of being driven in fast cars and signing dodgy art work? Then there’s the husband.
    These Labour Party women leaders choose unusual partners.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:00am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      partnerships of convenience due to image necessity Gravel
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:37pm
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t Palmer still trying to get increased traction for the revision and rewriting of the Treaty of Waitangi..
    Appears he is now getting some traction to this revision in the Labour Maori Caucus and friends.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:08am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Quirk:
    noun
    1. a peculiar aspect of a person’s character or behaviour. “they accepted her attitude as one of her little quirks”
    If you like, I’ll revise the list to something other than quirks.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:37am
- Manu-Rau
  
  Interesting. But you missed Norman Kirk’s adultery, which likely caused much of the stress that eventually killed him.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:38am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    If I made a list of all PMs’ adulterous behaviour it would have to be:
    1. restricted to those deceased
    2. a much longer list.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:42am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Some odd quirks of New Zealand prime ministers:
  
  Walter Nash hoarded almost every piece of paper he saw
  Keith Holyoake’s growth and economic development
  John Marshall ?
  Norman Kirk’s Self centre destroyer of NZ economy
  Rob Muldoon’s Largest infrastructure build
  David Lange’s destruction of NZ foreign relations
  Geoffrey Palmer’s who?
  Mike Moore’s before helen clark, NZ’s biggest liar (“the books balance”)
  Jim Bolger’s rebuilt the NZ economy, wind farms, MMP
  Jenny Shipley’s recovery from the “Asia crisis”
  Helen Clark’s destruction of the NZ economy and health service.
  John Key’s rebuild (again) the NZ economy.
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:48pm
dime

The friends of jacinda were busy yesterday. A freaking axe attack in the middle of the street.

Gangs may just be the downfall of this government.
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October 3, 2021 8:01am
- Simon
  
  A touch of pre colonial NZ without the cannibalism
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:11am
  - alex Masterley
    
    That comes later…
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:33am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Oh, cannibalism takes many forms. This country eats its own on a regular basis.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:11am
- dime
  
  Just to be clear I’m all for gangs offing each other. But have some discretion.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:31am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Sheeple are OK to tolerate gangs because they know “Cindy has a plan”. THEY WILL NEVER WAKE UP. Mark my words.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:34am
  - dime
    
    Please don’t sully my comments with your sheeple crap.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:50am
mandk

I’m thinking of joining a gang.

If I do, I’ll be able to get away with almost anything, and Cindy and the Crim Huggers will look the other way because I’ll be part of a marginalized community.
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October 3, 2021 8:07am
- JibberJabber
  
  Grey Power?
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:17am
  - mandk
    
    I was thinking The Curmudgeons.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:47am
- pdm
  
  Better not join Rotary then – Jacinda probably targets them.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:22am
- coge
  
  Mid week tennis players. Kelburn Chapter.
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:11pm
artemisia

So only 7% of the 7 ‘suburbs of interest’ have been tested in the past week or so, despite the big push. Suspect reasons include downsides of family going into lockup, a lot of unwanted attention on the household, possibly financial issues if no work, and a big dose of FUD. Most of the FUD generated by the government and its experts.

If they have no or only mild potential symptoms, and a brain, why would they rock up for a test?
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October 3, 2021 8:09am
- Ruawai
  
  Most of the tests of from the roughly 21000 people daily crossing the border who are required to get a test every 7 days.
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:51pm
Yvette

It must be quite a temptation to God to have a motorbike gang-member infect Modern Moses (“Let my people go”) Brian Tamaki with covid.
Not only for his selfish assembly and disgracefully saying “And as we know behind me is the Cenotaph that says very clearly in World War ll the soldiers died – they sacrificed their lives to protect every New Zealander’s right to freedom” [1] but God may be tempted too remembering Brian’s condemnation of homosexuals, even naming two in Christchurch, for the Kaikoura earthquake, after Tamaki misread Genesis, and claimed the soil called out to God, when it was actually slain Abel’s blood that did the calling, and that the land spewed forth (an earthquake) the tribe the other Moses sought to replace in the Promised Land, but the Bible records no quake as those people were slaughtered in a more traditional manner.
However, ‘There but for the grace of God goes Brian Tamaki’

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/10/new-zealanders-react-with-rage-after-brian-tamaki-holds-anti-lockdown-protest.html 1 minute 48 seconds into the accompanying video
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October 3, 2021 8:09am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Interesting that Tamaki was the lead item on the 6pm news last night, but TVNZ has for two nights studiously avoided any mention of the Headhunters funeral in West Auckland on Friday…
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    Now the Government has the perfect scapegoat when Covid explodes through the motu.
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:58am
    - lifesgood
      
      Motu?
      
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      October 3, 2021 10:16am
      - Ehlana
        
        It’s in Aotearoa, lifesgood. It replaces the long hard English word “land”, as far as I can tell.
        
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        October 3, 2021 12:06pm
      - dcrane
        
        Always good to see the replacement of a simple monosyllabic word with a two-syllable one most people don’t already know. Uncertainty of pronunciation is a nice bonus.
        
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        October 3, 2021 12:09pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Island.
        
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        October 3, 2021 1:30pm
    - PhilBest
      
      It was OUTSIDE, FFS!!
      
      When are the officials going to cease and desist in this bad faith about outdoors being of any risk at all?
      
      At the margins, there has probably been some small number of deaths and more severe illnesses because of people cowering inside without fresh air and sunshine.
      
      If they wanted to eliminate the virus come what may, they should order everyone OUTSIDE FOR TWO WEEKS. And unleash the goons on anyone daring to go INSIDE for that time!!!
      
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      October 3, 2021 10:18am
      - Ruawai
        
        Also seems places like supermarkets are low risk as I haven’t heard of any community transmission from a supermarket.
        
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        October 3, 2021 12:52pm
      - Close Hen Counters
        
        Comrade kindness has completely gone in mt eden epsom Phil- walk at your peril without a mask on…. You get glared at, some prick with his wife and daughter deliberately attempted to barge into my husband crossing balmoral road yesterday because they wore masks and we didn’t. Our 14 year old son wearing a mask was verbally abused by two fat masked women walking their dogs down the road …. These people have completely lost the fucking plot
        
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        October 3, 2021 1:11pm
    - crikey
      
      Nothing to worry about, practically no-one lives at Motu.
      
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      October 3, 2021 3:08pm
  - Akarak
    
    I’m still waiting for a newspaper to follow up on the Three Waters debacle. Actually for a follow up I suppose you need to have informed your readers about it for a start.
    Nothing to see here – move along.
    
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    October 3, 2021 5:36pm
- dcrane
  
  If Tamaki had been leading a Black Lives Matter protest, the media would be praising his restraint at having waited until Elimination had clearly failed before holding his event. Besides, didn’t the “experts” tell us in 2020 that outdoor marches like this were not superpreaders, when it was the left running them?
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:56am
  - MCos
    
    The chances of The Most Reverent Apostle Brian Tamaki, Bishop of Wiri, leading a BLM protest are nil because he only leads things where he’s the big boss and there’s money to be made.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:35pm
    - dcrane
      
      Fwiw, BLM buys the groceries too:
      
      https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/marxist-blm-leader-buys-1-4-million-home-in-ritzy-la-enclave/
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:58pm
Tomtoddy

Benedict Yu, a typically helpful contributor, made an interesting comment yesterday that the total percentage of New Zealanders getting vaccinated is not as relevant as the percentage in the over 65 age group who are vaccinated. He is right.
He referred to Health Ministry figures showing that over 90% of over 65’s are already vaccinated and that of the over 50’s around 85% are vaccinated. These are first jab only figures. Those over 65 years fully vaccinated is 82% and over 50 years – 69% approximately.

Looking at the USA with similar age profiles to us but with fewer lockdown restrictions the Covid mortality rate for the over 50 years is 94.2% and the over 65 years is 77%.

In the USA of the 5.8% below the age of 50 years who have died a very high percentage of them had co-morbidities. Of the 610 deaths among those under 45 years 97% of them had a co-morbidity. The reality is there have been almost zero deaths among young people in any country under 45 – 50 years of age. These numbers come from a website – Worldometer – which seems to use authentic data.

It is becoming increasingly evident that the Delta variant is at least 50% more transmissible than the other variants and is significantly more deadly. Vaccines do not stop the spread of Delta but do seem to reduce slightly its severity, levels of hospitalisations and deaths. For over 50 year olds the vaccines offer useful but, nowhere absolute levels of protection. Focusing vaccination on under 50 year olds would appear to be a waste of resources.

One aspect of the statistics that does not get adequate coverage is the question to what extent is Covid simply brings forward weekly death rates. With most deaths in the higher age brackets it is worth analysing the weekly numbers to see what happens after a Covid peak. In the UK where statistics are published on a weekly basis it is very evident that after the peak the weekly death number fall below the average of the previous three years. In some weeks after the peak death numbers are 20% below the average and that without allowing for a steadily growing population.
In other words total deaths are not quite as bad as they seem – they are just happening prematurely. See the Office for National Statistics, UK.

Go forward plans released by National and ACT this last week cover most issues well but there is a strong case for focusing more on the older age groups and on producing comprehensive treatment regimes centred around their particular needs. There are many tools than could be part of a treatment package that would offer a degree of protection for the aged and any immune-compromised.

Otherwise open the doors and shut down the daily party political broadcast.
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October 3, 2021 8:11am
- Blackbob
  
  So far, here in NZ, the Delta variant has proven to be less deadly than the previous original one that arrived in early 2020.
  
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  October 3, 2021 8:20am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Part of that is that they have been able to keep it out of rest homes, which was where most of the 2020 deaths sprung from.
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:54am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Sadly people have had a much higher chance of being murdered or killed on safe straight roads in Auckland in the early hours of the morning over the same period of time. I would hate to think what the suicide stats are.
    
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    October 3, 2021 1:15pm
- PhilBest
  
  “…the Delta variant is at least 50% more transmissible than the other variants and is significantly more deadly…”
  
  No it certainly is not. It is more transmissable but significantly less deadly. The Public Health England stats show IFR of 0.2% compared to 1.9% for the earlier strains.
  
  The stats coming from some countries official bodies are now completely untrustworthy. PHE is to be commended for publishing data that shows inconvenient truths. The rates of infection among the vaccinated is another thing that PHE is being honest about.
  
  The figures coming out of the USA under the Biden administration are especially untrustworthy.
  
  By the way, I am sure you didn’t mean to say this:
  
  “…Looking at the USA with similar age profiles to us but with fewer lockdown restrictions the Covid mortality rate for the over 50 years is 94.2% and the over 65 years is 77%…”
  
  94.2% of people over 50 who get Covid, die of it????
  
  Even if you mean that the SURVIVAL rate is 94.2%, I think this is too low and is the result of manipulated statistics with deaths “with positive Covid PCR test” being emphasized to the max and no account taken of coincidental deaths or whether there is even excess mortality.
  
  By the way, everyone has the “coincidental deaths” principle rammed down their throats all the time about post-jab deaths – having things both ways mucho?
  
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  October 3, 2021 8:26am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes I agree with that. Very reliable data that it is more transmissible but not that it is more lethal.
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:59am
    - PhilBest
      
      It MAY produce an increase in deaths for two reasons: relaxation of restrictions, ignorant high-risk behavior (which is NOT being identified or the public being educated by the officials), and the increased transmissability of Delta, might add up to more deaths, only because of many more SEVERE infections.
      
      The mild and asymptomatic infections should be regarded as GOOD news. The more people get natural immunity the better – the trick is to halt the deaths and the ICU admissions, not to destroy life and health itself in a poorly advised attempt to “eliminate the virus”.
      
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      October 3, 2021 10:22am
- CJames
  
  Is Delta more deadly? If so it would be the first virus that mutated into something both more infectious and more deadly (if one could call <1% deadly). And the more infectious need to be qualified. It seems almost all cases are where they have had close contact inside for some time. Breathing stale air stuff. Definitely not passing someone in the street passes it on. So all those ineffective masks worn as a sign of piety to St Jacinda aren't needed.
  
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  October 3, 2021 8:34am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    I think you could argue that Delta is more deadly on the basis it is more easily transmitted. The Viral Load in patients is 1000 times higher so the disease spreads easier.
    
    The disease itself is probably no less deadly, but how it now operated is what makes it so much more of a threat.
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:02am
  - Happy1
    
    I don’t know whether delta is more deadly or not but the contention that viruses only mutate one way, less deadly,is wrong. The 1918-19 Spanish flu was a more deadly version of a relatively benign disease which circulated around American army camps in 1917
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:27am
    - Blackbob
      
      The “Spanish flu” was a variant of the H1N1 virus, the same base flu virus that we can get flu shots for every year, the same flu that people die from every year…except in covid years apparently.
      
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      October 3, 2021 11:03am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    I should have made the point more clearly. Delta is not more deadly when comparing virus for virus. However because of its faster rate of transmission and more people exposed to it the number of deaths involved is greater than other variants.
    
    I fully concur that Covid is not to be feared. The fear factor is hugely overblown by so called experts and a sensational seeking media. We just need to take sensible steps to limit the exposure that older folk and immune-compromised people have to what is a bad dose of the flu.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:50am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  I am confused by this statement:
  
  “Looking at the USA with similar age profiles to us but with fewer lockdown restrictions the Covid mortality rate for the over 50 years is 94.2% and the over 65 years is 77%.”
  
  Please elaborate what you mean.
  
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  October 3, 2021 8:38am
  - PhilBest
    
    Yes I pointed out too that that is obviously an error; and even if it is survival rates rather than death rates, it still looks far too massaged in the direction of terror propaganda.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:23am
- Taieri
  
  In the UK where statistics are published on a weekly basis it is very evident that after the peak the weekly death number fall below the average of the previous three years. In some weeks after the peak death numbers are 20% below the average and that without allowing for a steadily growing population.
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  The reliability of Covid-19 mortality statistics, an example from England:
  
  “(…)Dr Susan Hopkins, Public Health England’s incident director, said: “Although it may seem straightforward, there is no WHO agreed method of counting deaths from Covid-19. In England, we count all those that have died who had a positive Covid-19 test at any point, to ensure our data is as complete as possible(…)”.
  
  Admittedly, the above is more than 1 year old but how much has changed since? Are standards in other countries any higher? Have Covid-19 attributed deaths been routinely confirmed by post-mortems?
  
  There’s so much contradictory information coming from all sides on this highly politicized disease that we’ll probably never know what its true mortality is. Even the excess death count doesn’t provide a clear picture as it is clouded by the deaths caused by other illnesses, which had not been addressed because of various Covid related restrictions.
  
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  October 3, 2021 8:54am
  - PhilBest
    
    The flagrant fraud inherent in that is that it is counting people who have RECOVERED of Covid, and then died of something else altogether. MONTHS later!!
    
    Quite apart from the ones who may not have recovered from Covid YET but WOULD have, and have died of something else!
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:25am
  - bennerg
    
    There is a quandary I have on how anyone can produce accurate statistics of deaths “due to Covid-19”. This is because it appears that no-one actually dies from Covid-19 by itself.
    
    The problem occurs where an individual has a state of ill-health (co-morbidities) and contracting Covid-19 appears to be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
    
    The same principle has applied to normal flu in the past, where in New Zealand over 650 people died every year, attributed to “the flu”.
    
    A healthy person will deal with Covid-19. An already sick person may succumb to their co-morbidity, only assisted by Covid-19, not because of.
    
    So the fundamental strategy should be making people healthier, encouraging living lifestyles that promote good health.
    
    Vaccination alone is proving insufficient to control the disease around the world, even in developed countries. It’s time to look at the bigger picture.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:51pm
- kowtow
  
  And yet the herald via Emmerson cartoon today , again takes a really cheap shot at pathways out by pillorying Seymour ( snake oil) , Key and Collins and lumping them in with Paul Henry and Brian Tamaki .
  
  Reasonable people need to take heed .
  
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  October 3, 2021 8:58am
  - alloytoo
    
    Reasonable people have long since abandoned the Herald.
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:58am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Emmerson is just a mad lefty snake. Stuff’s cartoonists are even more stupid with zero sense of humour.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:03am
  - ecco
    
    Be good if someone did a survey of the ferald and stuffed counting the number of pro and anti ardern articles and the number of pro and anti right leaning party articles. Also an analysis of which articles are hidden by the ferald paywall would be interesting.
    
    I’ve no doubt the Labour Party has a group of trolls on their payroll commenting down any positive Nat/act commenting on ferald and stuff. This was very evident in the stuff article on John Keys webinar yesterday. No doubt these low iqs are somehow being paid for by tax payer funding.
    
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    October 3, 2021 1:10pm
    - yossarian
      
      Try this for a start…btw all apart from Kiwiblog and Whaleoil are left leaning
      
      https://mediabias.co.nz/
      
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      October 4, 2021 6:00am
  - crikey
    
    There is nothing to like about Emmerson, a nasty prick through and through. Now Emerson’s beer is something else.
    
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    October 3, 2021 3:13pm
- Scott
  
  I don’t think delta is more deadly. We have over a thousand cases the media say and one death. One 94 year old with serious co – morbidities.
  
  Regarding the age profile when you look at the deaths attributed to Covid in the United States, 95% of those are aged 50 and over. When you look at 0 to 17, something like 400 people have died of Covid in the whole United States. As a percentage of total Covid deaths the calculator works it out to be zero.
  
  So I agree with Tom Toddy. Look after the older people. Stop locking down young people and children for whom Covid poses very little risk. The healthy 25 year old should be let out to go about their business.
  
  Unfortunately this government has learned nothing since March 2020.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:08am
  - PhilBest
    
    The major science and medical journals have long since moved on; the WHO has reluctantly and quietly changed its advice on its website, but in the absence of well publicised actual bulletins, national health officials are still clinging to utterly useless obsolete advice – yes, from March 2020, you are not exaggerating – without the sheeple having a clue that this is what is happening.
    
    Probably NZ and Aussie are the world’s worst for this
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:27am
- bronny1
  
  I’m confused about this comment “ Looking at the USA with similar age profiles to us but with fewer lockdown restrictions the Covid mortality rate for the over 50 years is 94.2% and the over 65 years is 77%”.
  
  Mortality rate of 94.2%? AFAIK only about 4% of over 75s that are infected die, and almost certainly these will also be those with comorbidities.
  
  Second, I’m interested in your sources of the assertion that delta is more deadly. Everything I’ve read outside MSM (which has an agenda) says the opposite : more transmissible but way less deadly. We have had 1000+ cases here this outbreak and one death of an over 90 yr old who was already very ill. And with low vax levels too.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:19am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  So the people who died were going to die anyway.
  
  They already had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana skin.
  
  We justify spending hundreds of billions of dollars suffer a huge economic and social shock so they can live a few more weeks or months.
  
  No this is about a political party taking advantage of a situation to push their flawed ideology and consolidate power.
  
  The real war here is the war on truth.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:23am
- Yvette
  
  Tomtoddy – Looking at the USA with similar age profiles to us but with fewer lockdown restrictions the Covid mortality rate for the over 50 years is 94.2% and the over 65 years is 77%.
  
  Today, just over 34 percent of the US population is aged 50
  16.5 % is 65
  The current population of the United States of America is 333,426,623 as of Saturday, October 2, 2021, based on Worldometer elaboration of the latest United Nations data.
  So those over 50 are 113,365,052 and 94.2% dead would be 106,789,879
  And those over 65 are 55,015,393 and 77% of them dead is 42,361,852
  So 58,349,659 the 50–65 bracket dead is 64,428,027
  
  Meaning 6,078,368 more people would die in the 50–65 bracket, than there are people in that bracket. Bugger – that’s if my calculator is right and I haven’t fat-fingered the figures, it does not “compute”
  
  Tomtoddy, while I definitely agree that the vaccination effort should ensure the elderly (Elders for Maori) should be as entirely vaccinated as far as medical conditions allow, and I have up-ticked your comment of course, something in the detail is a little up the chute.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:48am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    You are right Yvette to correct the language used. I should have been clearer. I was quoting official reports but didnt check the language.
    
    The authorities claim that 687,172 people have died from Covid. We can debate that because we all know that someone with a cold getting run over by a bus can get labelled a Covid victim especially if the hospital involved gets a cash handout for showing it death by Covid.
    
    However it is the official figure and doesnt change the percentages. Of those 687,172 recorded deaths 94.21% were over 50 years and 76.86% were over 65 years.
    
    The point I was trying to make is that this is an issue for older folk and immune-compromised that could be fixed by having a treatment regime that focuses on those cohorts. The rest of us should just get on with life.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:06am
  - Bluegrass
    
    UN data.
    
    OK.
    
    The US population is around 370M, including illegals.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:18pm
- R
  
  It is becoming increasingly evident that the Delta variant is at least 50% more transmissible than the other variants and is significantly more deadly.
  
  I don’t think so. It’s so transmissible it struggles to leave Auckland LOL. And even in Auckland there’s been almost 1300 cases in a population of 1.6 million. That means that 99.92% of Aucklanders haven’t caught the virus.
  
  As for being deadly, we’ve had one death – an elderly woman (in her 90s) with pre-existing health conditions – among the 1295 cases.
  
  Jacinda has clearly scared you witless.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:31am
  - Matt Long
    
    Fatality rate of 0.008% of known cases in the latest outbreak, a very deadly disease indeed.
    Deaths in the 1-12 age range, Zero.
    Deaths in the 12 to 18 range, Zero.
    Deaths in the 18-30 range, Zero.
    Deaths in the 30-50 range, Zero
    Deaths in the 50-70 range, Zero
    Deaths in the 70-90 range, the most vulnerable, zero.
    Let’s force all the people who aren’t vaccinated to get the jab so we can open up./s
    I think the Government has actually forgotten why they are on this road, and haven’t the intellectual or moral capacity to change direction until civil order collapses.
    
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    October 3, 2021 3:02pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Oops, too many zeros, 0.08% case fatality rate.
      
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      October 3, 2021 4:20pm
- Akarak
  
  Pfizer have stated that those 65+ should receive a booster shot @ 8 months. That would mean that a large number of that group would , or should, already be getting that booster vaccination.
  Perhaps Ms Ardernski could enlighten the team?
  
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  October 3, 2021 5:45pm
Paulus Gnome

Listening to the 8.00 ‘news’ on ZB tells me Auckland is not going to level 2, or any other bespoke level, on Tuesday

All reporting on how rampant the delta is and leakage into the community etc.

The media driven fear porn is ramping up to soften us up to expect to stay in level 3 when the announcement is made from the Odium of Truth

How long before Aucklander’s need to make like Melbourne ?
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October 3, 2021 8:11am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  9.30
  
  [Mod – I’m guessing you didn’t watch the rugby last night. Some of us are catching up on sleep]
  
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  December 3, 2020 9:30am
JibberJabber

An Ode To The Best Leader New Zealand Never Had – Gladys Berejiklian

https://tinyurl.com/yr2hfe3w

This is the woman who imposed the “zero covid is impossible” reality on New Zealand and Australia. History will judge her very well. She made two entire countries face quickly that living with Covid is a necessity.
She is indirectly responsible right now for Auckland forcing Jacinda Ardern to face reality and live with the virus. She has an opening plan which will ensure on October 11th that NSW can open and get on with it. While New Zealand, Victoria and WA remain in a constant state of digging a whole for themselves and filling it in.

I have no doubt GB will be cleared eventually but this process takes mmmmmmmonths. These despot pricks in ~~ICUCK~~ ICAC drag good people through the absolute mire before this. They’re absolute amateurs. The charges they have on GB are so broad, her Special Counsel will bat them back to arguing about the relativity of a traffic offence.
I have no doubt Berejiklian will only be found guilty of having a dickhead of an ex “not even” boyfriend.

You shag one goat girls.

Never have relations sexual, or other kind, with of any man beneath you.

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In New Zealand there is no such thing as ICAC or corruption, Ministers call it ‘”failed to disclose a conflict of interest’” and eventually they get their portfolios back in a Labour cabinet! Jacinda Ardern never fires them unless she eventually wants them gone.
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October 3, 2021 8:13am
- mikenmildagain
  
  There’s a decades-long tradition in New Zealand of prime ministers ignoring ministerial wrongdoing if the minister in question is a close ally.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:50am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Compared to New Zealand, Australian Ministers at both the Federal and State level frequently resign over transgressions that would be brushed aside here.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:04am
- Ruawai
  
  Her team should come out and say in the interests of the health and safety of the population they will not accept her resignation until after the inquiry if found guilty.
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The goddam mess of maths teaching in NZ
“It’s a goddamn mess, and things are not getting better. And the consequences are pretty horrific so something has to be done.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/school-maths-education-royal-society-report-calls-for-sweeping-changes/AHSDIC2EDB3WCATPMLR2R72PHU/

The report outlining recommendations for improving maths teaching in NZ
(Worth checking out the graphs showing how poorly NZ pupils perform compared to children from Singapore, Japan, England, USA .. and the disparity in achievement in school deciles)

https://issuu.com/royalsocietynz/docs/pangarau-mathematics-and-tauanga-statistics-in-aot/6?ff
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October 3, 2021 8:15am
- Chuck Bird
  
  There is an item on maths on Q + A this morning.
  
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  October 3, 2021 8:29am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    You watch Q and A.
    
    Why do you bother?
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:26am
    - pdm
      
      Never as long as Jack Tame is the presenter.
      
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      October 3, 2021 10:24am
- Nickc2
  
  I think you’re missing the point Maggy. Our kids are excellent at singing Maori songs, dropping words from that woke language Te Reo into every spoken language (they can’t write it), they know everything about Climate Change, Maui, Jacinda, and the baby, filling in Dole Forms, and changing their Gender.
  What else is needed in lil-olde-Aotearoa?
  
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  October 3, 2021 8:38am
- washo
  
  1.If you don’t have near instant recall of the times tables you are wasting your time, no matter how many calculators and devices you may have.
  2. If there is no streaming or grouping the more capable ones will become so bored they will burn down the classroom.
  3. The rote learning that is required to get started is so unfashionable in NZ that it will probably never occur.
  4 Algebra should be restricted to the most able students only.
  5 At primary school what is now called maths is only arithmetic.
  6 Statistics in NZ schools is really social studies in disguise. Real statistics is quite complex.
  
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  October 3, 2021 8:39am
  - cmm
    
    When people reach for a calculator to multiply by ten then you know they have absolutely no understanding of what numbers mean. Unfortunately there are far too many of those.
    
    Statistics is an interesting subject because it is one are where it is very difficult to build an intuitive feeling for what is going on. Even people with PhDs in stats will seldom get things right by intuition.
    
    Unfortunately statistics is required for almost all research (proper research that is) and very few people doing research have enough training to use the tools properly and make very fundamental mistakes like using the wrong tools for the data they have (eg. tools intended for normal distribution when the data are highly skewed).
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:19am
  - Fletch
    
    When we were kids in school decades ago, my mum bought a book of the times tables and taught us them at home because they weren’t doing it in school. It wasn’t part of the curriculum or something. She commented to a teacher that the roles had reversed – parents were teaching kids at home while the teachers were taking us on trips to the museum, etc.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:20pm
- maggiemay
  
  A facebook friend and aquaintance has done several of those math quizzes on facebook and posts the answer. Very simple calc but each time she has got the answer incorrect usualy because she not following the rules. Non brackets/Brackets etc. Another friend and i have decided not to shame her but are pleased she will be retiring after 30 years.
  She teaches intermediate.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:26am
  - cmm
    
    What does she teach at intermediate?
    
    I hope it is library studies or some such and not anything to do with maths or science.
    
    Teaching is one of very few professions where nobody every gets fired for incompetence.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:22am
  - Matt Long
    
    That’s nothing new, at intermediate I had to correct my teacher on math back in the early 80s, some people just can’t get math. Everyone has their strengths and failings.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:41am
  - rangitoto
    
    I was taught the BODMAS rules for order of operations in arithmetic. Don’t they teach it anymore?
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:11pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Thinking the same.
      
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      October 3, 2021 4:42pm
- cmm
  
  “Martin said he did not want to blame teachers as they were not the problem.”
  
  They **are** the problem. The teachers are crap.
  
  There are very few good maths teachers and I’ll wager that all of those are NOT using the methods they were taught in teacher’s training college.
  
  I was fortunate to have an excellent maths teacher (though I was pretty gifted in maths at school and did not need him. He often had new kids coming into his class getting 20% and within a few months they’d be getting 70%.
  
  His method was based on the understanding that the same concept can be taught in many ways.
  
  Most teachers would just explain the one way that is in the text book. If that did not get through then try again – and of course that does not get through either.
  
  Not this guy. He had at least three ways to explain each concept. If anyone still did not understand after that then he’d get one of the other kids (usually me) to explain to the guy that didn’t get it. He would watch and make notes and tweak his explanations for the next year.
  
  “A separate panel of experts should also be convened to discuss the state of Māori-medium mathematics education”
  
  Wokist nonsense! Few people, including Maori, can understand Maori well. Maori has no mathematical tradition. Unwritten languages lack precision and mathematics requires precision. Forcing people to learn a subject like mathematics through the fog of imprecise Maori-medium mathematics is going to make for a massive disaster and set those that are subject to this back.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:35am
  - Than
    
    cmm, thank you for introducing me to the term ‘wokist’. Hadn’t heard it before, but it’s a concise and useful shorthand.
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:45am
    - David George
      
      Wokist theory has a new dictionary on wokish for it’s wet wokester or wokelet adherents and for the rest of us to figure out what the lunatics are on about. https://newdiscourses.com/translations-from-the-wokish/
      
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      October 3, 2021 10:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I had a grasp on numbers at an early stage – primary school. My 1967 School Cert result in math was quite high (don’t remember what) At that stage I could multiply 4 numbers against 4 numbers in my head. This is why I instantly know if a result is any where near correct or just rubbish.
    Eg: 95% of the pop to be vaccinated. Kids under 12 (15% of the pop) are not vaccinated therefore the 90% is impossible. Now Labour say they meant 95% of those illegible, but they never admit their mistake. Shit, at work guys half my age get out a calculator, show me the result, then I show them the answer written in engineers chalk. Beat them hands down every time.
    Bottom line is the teachers of today are useless lazy shits
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:56am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And protected by the union.
      
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      October 3, 2021 10:12am
    - Stu2
      
      “Now Labour say they meant 95% of those illegible”
      
      I instantly knew this was just rubbish!
      
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      October 3, 2021 10:15am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        We are treated like pre schoolers
        
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        October 3, 2021 10:36am
    - Spoff
      
      “I show them the answer written in engineers chalk”
      Legibly I hope.
      How did your English teacher measure up?
      
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      October 3, 2021 10:49am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        English was shit. Got 18% in SC. Teacher was full of prose crap.
        Now on the other hand the Engineering and Tech Drawing I excelled at.
        
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        October 3, 2021 11:21am
  - Southern Raider
    
    The other end of the problem is that due to bad teachers and lack of time there is no focus for those who are naturally talented and so you also dumb them down as well as they aren’t challenged
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:59am
    - cmm
      
      The lack of streaming means that most of the time the talented kids are waiting for thick teacher to explain a concept to even more thick Johnie.
      
      As a result, the talented kids are lucky if they get 5 minutes of tuition out of a 45 minute teaching period.
      
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      October 3, 2021 11:25am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Just seems bizarre. The same would hold for science subjects. How do you teach thermodynamics in Maori?
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:07am
    - cmm
      
      I’m sure someone will pop up and tell you that Maori invented thermodynamics along with navigation and polar exploration.
      
      Remember the muppet who said that Maori predicted gene editing because of some myth about a bird changing the colour of its feathers or some such?
      
      I wonder whether the same muppet considers all supernatural stories to be about gene editing.? Every culture has them. eg. Jack and the Magic Beanstalk (English); How the Hyena got its spots (various African); The princess that turned into a silkworm (Korean).
      
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      October 3, 2021 10:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ll wager that all of those are NOT using the methods they were taught in teacher’s training college.
    
    I went to Teacher’s training College at age 40 to train for secondary teaching (after years working as a plant ecologist and Science editor). My intention was to teach Maths & biology.
    The maths instruction/guidance at the TTC was appalling as far as I was concerned and I quickly opted out of that segment of the course.
    
    The approach was pretty much for each trainee 2ndry teacher to come to each lesson with some mathematical game they could amuse the rest of us with. There was no consideration of the most effective ways to deliver the curriculum.
    
    I always knew my strength in teaching would not be in maths because I didn’t have a great range of strategies for teaching maths concepts and that’s what I thought the training college would be covering in a formal sense – not in the bumbling manner that I observed.
    
    I found the maths lecturer couldn’t explain clearly what he was trying to achieve….and if he couldn’t get through to someone like me with a science background and a basic competency of secondary school maths (1 have one stage 1 Uni paper in modern maths), then I suspect he left all the primary School trainees in the dark (most would have only completed Yr 12 – NCEA level 2).
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:28am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    Maths is a universal language. There is no need for maorification.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:30am
    - cmm
      
      “Maths is a universal language”
      
      I would disagree to an extent.
      
      All languages have words (symbols) and grammars (relationships between the symbols to construct ideas).
      
      Written languages have more precise definitions of symbols and grammars. They also have a richer set of symbols.
      
      Thus, written languages are useful where precision is required: maths, science, law etc.
      
      Without maths, science and the rule of law there is no progress, democracy and all we hold dear.
      
      Even more, the precision is required for thinking and discussing ideas because we think in symbolically.
      
      Unwritten languages have imprecise word meanings and imprecise grammars. It is impossible to develop precise thoughts (or convey them) using fuzzy symbols.
      
      This means unwritten languages are useless for maths, science, law and such.
      
      Without these these there is no modern society and such. Primitive law the world over is the same: the guy with the biggest club makes the laws.
      
      It is no surprise to me that Maorification is happening. This is a way to erode society and fits in with all the nonsense about redefining words and genders etc.
      
      Tear up logic and law and we’re easy to control.
      
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      October 3, 2021 11:38am
    - rangitoto
      
      Maths teaching started going downhill when they stopped using Euclid’s Elements as a text book.
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:19pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    “…the same concept can be taught in many ways.”.
    
    Nice comment.
    
    Math is pure logic – until you get to quantum games.
    
    A good math teacher knows this and explains the logic from different angles, in order to avoid the pupil getting lost in a textbook blind canyon.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:32pm
- Clownworld
  
  Maggy , as soon as I read that maths is in trouble in NZ, the first thought I had was yes this has been well researched and known for some time.
  
  My second thought was that the inability to analyse data by our local black hole now “modellers” of renown like Hendy demonstrates how low our maths standards have been lowered.
  
  No doubt in the future a new maths will exist like societal maths or artistic maths. The solutions will be subjective and targets of objective facts a part of new colonial historical maths.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:53am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The “New Maths” introduced in the 90’s was a ridiculous disaster like everything else central bureaucracies think is innovative. Generations lost without a calculator, professions dependent on well educated immigrants. Hard science classes shrunk unrecognisably.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:16am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The proposal to end streaming is interesting. Streaming just gives incompetent teaching an alibi. However removing it will not make incompetent teaching competent. Formal streaming will simply be replaced by informal streaming.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:40am
- Yvette
  
  Maggy Wassilieff – The goddam mess of maths teaching in NZ
  Is this why, or because, Labour is so fucking bad at maths themselves
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:45am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Ah, you overlook the import thing about mathematics, the ability to be able to count to ten in te reo.
  
  Who needs that calculus shit anyway?
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:04am
  - Bluegrass
    
    Indeed. Those tribes who counted ‘one, two, three, many’ were unburdened by any math angst.
    
    And in today’s world, it is possibly racist to suggest otherwise…
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:51pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The article is unreadable with its pretentious use of Maori ruining English communications. Work like that will not be read.
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:34pm
  - crikey
    
    Indeed. When will Menglish become an official language of New Zealand. Prhaps Minglish or Mangle-ish.
    
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    October 3, 2021 3:16pm
Master Mariner

A interesting Development regarding transportation issues.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/world/covid-19-delta-outbreak-us-post-mail-deliveries-to-new-zealand-suspended/

“It said this was because of “impacts related to the Covid-19 pandemic and other unrelated service disruptions”.

And Foreign subsidised Airlines get further handouts.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/126555088/covid19-government-puts-another-195-million-into-aviation-support-scheme

The Main reason for supply chain disruption.
https://www.ics-shipping.org/press-release/global-transport-chiefs-urge-un-to-end-humanitarian-crisis-for-supply-chain-workers/

Stephen Cotton, ITF Secretary General said:

“Transport workers have kept the world’s supply chains and people moving despite the neglect of world leaders. They have worked through border closures, an inability to return home, a lack of access to healthcare, restrictive quarantine requirements and the complete uncertainty borne from government ineptitude. Frankly, they’ve had enough. The time has come for heads of government to respond to these workers’ needs, if not they will be responsible for the collapse of supply chains, and the unnecessary deaths and suffering of workers and citizens caught in the crisis. That blood and that chaos will be on their hands.”

Yep, I sure have myself. Could’nt agree more.
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October 3, 2021 8:15am
- cmm
  
  CV19 has not caused supply chain issues. It has mainly been the response to the CV19 that has.
  
  This applies not only to manufacturing and transportation, but a more wider definition of supply chain – including the delivery of services.
  
  The bodies that were stored in freezer trucks in NYC were not because of a massive increase in the body supply (ie. many more people dying), but mainly a disruption in the body disposal supply chain (burials etc).
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:21am
- kevn
  
  @MM… Tell us about the new global 3m container specs? I don’t know much but it is a reality I gather.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:37am
  - Master Mariner
    
    No news to me Kevn. I may of missed something but the logistical nightmare to change specs of containers would take years to sort out.
    
    http://www.globalmaritimeusa.net/container-dimensions.html
    
    Out of interest is how Containers really took off.
    
    Maersk and Vietnam war.
    
    https://digg.com/2017/containers-episode-1
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:16am
peterwn

Covid lockdown protests. About time there was another ‘Bishop in the Dock’ for undermining efforts to deal with Covid. Many years ago Auckland’s Catholic Bishop Liston (later Archbishop Liston) was put on trial for sedition for comments he made about Ireland and was acquitted (after complaints by Mayor Gunson and The Herald). However Brian Tamaki is not a real bishop, as far as I know, he has never been consecrated by real Bishops.
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October 3, 2021 8:15am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  So hard to tell a real Bishop from a fake.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:17am
  - oldfella
    
    @alanw
    The sheep who think Tamaki is a real bishop, are the same breed as those who think Cindy is a real leader.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:45am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      That, to me, is really really funny!
      
      Add, and that labour is a real government.
      
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      October 3, 2021 11:06am
- Nickc2
  
  I’m not involved with Tamaki or any religion for that matter but what he did IMO was draw this Govt’s attention to the fact that Cindy’s gloss and BS have worn off. In that, he achieved what he set out to achieve.
  The protest gained wide MSM dissemination and a variety of comments. Some good, some bad and some plainly ridiculous.
  As for not being a real Bishop, who cares? It’s a bit like being a Climate Scientist where they don’t know or understand the first thing about the climate but whenever they open their mouths or write something favourable to the cause, they are automatically a Scientist.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:21am
  - oldfella
    
    @nick2
    It’s like dying your hair pink to increase your scientific credibility.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:46am
    - Nickc2
      
      Easily identified at the beach.
      Mind you, you don’t see too many beached Whales with pink topsides at St Heliers Beach.
      
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      October 3, 2021 1:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He was consecrated on 8 June 2005….in his own Church’s manner.
  
  Peter Lineham described it within:
  https://www.penguin.co.nz/books/destiny-the-life-and-times-of-a-self-made-prophet-9781742539164
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:48am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Jim Jones becomes credible by the same measure then?
    
    Satanists up and down the country will be rejoicing . . .
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:09am
  - peterwn
    
    The consecration was meaningless as it has to be done by a consecrated bishop, etc all the way back to those consecrated by Peter the Apostle. All Anglican and Catholic bishops are so consecrated.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:21pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  What are “real” Bishops?
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:36pm
G152

From the increased violence as misreported in the fake news I believe that we are in for an unhappy new year.
And the police may have their work cut out if the people get as uppity as the Aussies.
Time for the sermon from the dais to cut back to 5 minutes and stop pretending that its news
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October 3, 2021 8:22am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Govt that shut down your jobs and businesses, and freedom will one day be asking for your vote so they can keep their jobs.
Remember this when you vote at the next Election
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October 3, 2021 8:24am
Warren

Just a question on the behaviour of Ministers from the Government to the media, and is it appropriate for a Minister to abuse Businesses that are essential to the Health system of New Zealand.
I think Andrew Little answer to the media on Medicinal Cannabis is arrogant
and unnecessary. ” Didn’t get off their a****: Andrew Little unleashes on Medicinal Cannabis industry”.
Just like he was when boss of the Unions a arrogant bully.
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October 3, 2021 8:29am
Ruahine

A few thoughts on Brian Tamaki’s rally held yesterday in the Auckland Domain.
Whilst I agree with his doing this I think his timing is wrong. This has now given Ardern and Co the excuse to keep Auckland under lockdown for even longer. They now have someone to blame. I understand that the Police Commissioner Coster was contacted by Brian Tamaki who said that he could hold his rally under level3 rules. I think this may have been a bit of a setup. In fact watching the TVNZ segment the reporter virtually reported that this rally was going to be a ‘Super Spreader and that lockdown will continue. Ardern probably cannot believe her luck. Just a couple of days after her precious gang friends were doing as they liked at a funeral in West Auckland and people were starting to wake up to the fact they they were being locked down because of gang behaviour in spreading the virus and getting annoyed about the fact that Ardern never calls out the gangs for anything she gets another pass.
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October 3, 2021 8:32am
- dcrane
  
  Fair suggestions, but so far I’m going with “good timing” because 1) a shot across the bow of the govt has been long overdue, and right now key decisions are being made about future lockdown, and 2) elimination has clearly already failed so these protests cannot be blamed. If anything Tamaki can be complimented for having patiently waited these past seven weeks lol.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:41am
Humble Capitalist

In todays press conference Dr Ashley Bloomfield has announced a further 27 deaths from heart disease across the motu. This is again higher than the average 1 New Zealander that dies every 90 minutes of heart disease. Bloomfield says that all but 1 case had been linked back to excessive life style choices.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has pleaded with New Zealanders to get to their GPs to get BMIs recorded and to adopt the 150g pureed vege diet. Ardern says she hasnt ruled out BMI passports to allow monthly purchases of fastfood or alcohol. ‘We need to think about people that need treatment for things like cancer or COVID and if you continue to ignore your BMI you are putting extra pressure on our hospitals and are in my opinion a very selfish person. Youre killing those that medically cant afford to lose weight, so Im pleading for you to get BMI’ed and tell your whanau to do the same’. The PM has had her first BMI, but ministers Robertson and Faafoi were unavailable for comment on their status. Buses offering family packs of KFC are being deployed in some regions to encourage a change of lifestyke choice. PM Ardern has not ruled out domestic fridge spot checks by army or police, which is something well within the powers of the DG of Health and something in the interest of all people across the motu. Extra BMI testing stations have been set up in areas where there is high concentrations of lard in wastewater or where toilets have been blocked according to Ardern. There will be an update on level 4 obesity restrictions in Monday fortnight.

Bob Smith from Tauranga says he has been unable to get his weekly pack of fried chicken as he refuses to get his BMI done at the doctors. ‘My mates wont talk to me, they say that their granny cant get her cancer care because of selfish people like me’

Bloomfield acknowledged the mental health problems from the lifestyle changes and said to help they will pretend that heart disease doesnt exist next month and focus on cancer for a month instead.

180,000 people living with heart disease and 1 death every 90 minutes. Please tell me Ardern, Robertson, hipkins and Bloomfield what are you pro actively doing about this? It doesnt seem to be a priority of yours or any other government? Why doesnt Simon Dallow put on the serious face and talk about the deadly heart disease epidemic? Why isnt their wall to wall advertising campaigns on it to help spread the message and help our poor impartial media? Why arent you invading our liberties on this to take pressure off hospitals?
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October 3, 2021 8:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda stops my alcohol supply at her peril. It will just create a black market.
  Nice satire anyway Mr Capitalist
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:01am
  - bennerg
    
    Satire? Entirely reasonable!!
    
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    October 3, 2021 1:31pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Future truth under this fucking Govt
      
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      October 3, 2021 2:29pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ardern says she hasnt ruled out BMI passports
  
  When does her meddling with the people stop? Food rationing for health?
  This is a virtual declaration that she is already setting NZ up for the WEF Great Reset. Has that been put to the people?
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:40pm
- The Housekeeper
  
  I always find it chilling when stick insects who live on Adderall and Ritalin tell others to watch what they eat.
  
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  October 3, 2021 3:01pm
Yvette

Brian Tamaki and other anti-vaxxers ‘probably beyond redemption’, will end up in ICU – Auckland Mayor Phil Goff
So Goff won’t go quite as far as Israel Folau. Is Goff not a wimp
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October 3, 2021 8:35am
- All_on_Red
  
  I would be interested in Goffs comment if none of them end up in hospital…
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:08am
- bennerg
  
  Goff has always been the biggest incompetent clown in the planet.
  
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  October 3, 2021 1:33pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

terrifying news today 5million have died from or with covid. global population 7.8 Billion, a staggering 0.006% i want to say something about an emperor and clothes. we have all been hoodwinked. 2020 was the 9th least deadly year since WW2.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/10/covid-19-global-deaths-top-5-million-as-delta-variant-sweeps-the-world.html
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October 3, 2021 8:38am
- Matt Long
  
  The reason it is so low is St Jacinda [deleted] has saved us all.
  Although to be serious it would be very interesting to know what the figure would be without intervention, impossible to tell I guess, Sweden and other minimal intervention counties maybe give us an indication.
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Control
Oppress
Victimise
Isolate
Divide

Seen on a teeshirt ad
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October 3, 2021 8:38am
artemisia

Anyone who has been around the beltway for a while knows that governments centralise / decentralise / rinse and repeat. There can be plausible reasons like economies of scale on the one hand, local community involvement on the other, but changing is an expensive business on many fronts. And the efficacy lies mainly in the ongoing execution. Removing targets, or replacing them with current or future fluff, doesn’t help even if they are published, measured, reported.

Currently in the mix is ethnicity and a desperate rush to firmly bed in policies while there is an absolute majority – government by the representatives the country voted for. DHBs, social housing, three waters, local government wards. No surprises at the direction then. Democracy in action.
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October 3, 2021 8:40am
alex Masterley

Dear Random Expert.
Including Pinky, Baker & Hendy.

In anticipation of more comments, Get back in your box.

Thank you
A Masterley.
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October 3, 2021 8:42am
JimBobJoe

Things about to get hot in Otorohanga?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/otorohanga-homicide-witness-describes-gang-members-in-shocking-attack-with-axe/SZQJ7CDP3K3U57OBOIWAZYTYMA/

Is it gang on gang or are local hard men being attacked by gang members?

Go easy on patch wearing mongrels and this is the crap you get on your streets
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October 3, 2021 8:44am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who is at the end of the World’s supply chain?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/02/supply-chain-world-economy-energy-labour-transport-covid
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October 3, 2021 8:52am
- Master Mariner
  
  Absolutely Maggy, Waiting for my post too be “moderated”.
  Some very dark clouds on the Horizon.
  Wait till Oil reaches >100 bbl and a “perfect Storm”.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:01am
- cmm
  
  Supply chains are an interesting business, especially in the electronics sector.
  
  The electronics supply system delivers amazingly complex components at ridiculously low prices.
  
  Consider just the simplest component – a surface mount resistor (one of the tiny grey bumps on an electronics board). Each one is manufactured and checked to be within 1% or so tolerance and they can be bought for a small fraction of 1 cent. That tiny price must pay for the materials, the factory, keeping the lights on, the factory staff and the costs of the supply chain (transport, marketing people etc).
  
  More complex items like computer chips might cost only 2 or 3 cents.
  
  A finely tuned machine that can deliver that does not have much margin for disturbance.
  
  Demand has spiked, partially driven by people spending on electronics due to more people wanting webcams & computers for Zoom as well as splurging entertainment dollars on home electronics rather than going to the movies.
  
  Simultaneously four things happened on the supply side:
  * Factories shut down for a bit.
  * There was a massively incorrect prediction that demand would slump, so many factories dialed back their production for three months or so.
  * There were fires in three critical factories that knocked them out.
  * As the shortage loomed, most buyers over bought to try to protect themselves from a shortage causing a toilet-paper style shortage.
  
  We’re now in the position where components that were available with a 2 week lead time are now on a 18 month lead time (or worse). And the prices have gone up too: some 50 cent components are now $30. On some of the projects I am working on, the parts cost for the system has gone from $20 to $200 and we’re only expecting to be able to order parts at more sane prices in 2023.
  
  They’re now building factories like mad, but these take a long time to come on line. When they do kick in, likely two things will happen:
  * There will be an oversupply.
  * The oversupply will be exacerbated because those that were hoarding parts will stop ordering as they cut back their inventories.
  
  So in 2023/4 we can expect a lot of semiconductor companies to really feel the pinch and some will fail or be bought up for a song.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:56am
- Tom Hunter
  
  I covered some of this in The Shipping News a few days ago and one of the interesting things I found out was this:
  
  Semiconductors are the world’s 4th most traded good after crude oil, refined oil and cars. Strong demand existed before COVID and reflected the chip-intensity of 5G, AI, electric vehicles (3-5x the chip content of ICE cars) and the internet of things. Current chip shortages are mostly related to older and simpler 200-nm silicon wafers used in cars, computers, monitors, laptops, TVs, refrigerators and washing machines. Demand for many of these items soared during the pandemic as people built out home offices and related projects
  
  If you’re wondering what “older and simpler” chips means, the latest ones going into laptops and such are ones with 3nm (nanometres) thick “wiring”. The 200nm jobs are perfectly fine for non-IT devices or some functions within a computer. Being older of course they’re also more common, cheaper and less profitable, which means it’s tough to expand factory manufacturing of them.
  
  I was also amused by the market reaction to the cross-Pacific container rates, as people shove empty containers back to China to take advantage of the higher West-East rates – leaving US warehouse filled with export goods, which also take up space that could be used for imports.
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It seems our Dear PM and her Lockdowns have many fans.

Read the comments on this Guardian article (and despair)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/01/clearly-not-working-how-new-zealands-consensus-on-striving-for-covid-zero-is-finally-cracking
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October 3, 2021 8:57am
- kevn
  
  @MaggyW… Written by some NZ journo hack.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:02am
- 7kiwi11
  
  I saw that and yes I did despair. But I get the same despair when I see the poll results. Despite going down there are still millions in this country who think this bunch of muppets that (supposedly) lead our country are doing a good job.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:28am
- dcrane
  
  The comments are being censored when they don’t meet “Community Standards”. Hmm, I wonder how much effect that’s having on the degree of agreement with govt policies.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:32am
Benedict Yu

Interesting study in Israel comparing protection offered by infection with COVID vs protection offered by the Pfizer vaccine.

Conclusion.. Those vaccinated accinees had a 13-fold increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected.

This is very significant. If the trend is maintained over time it points to only two scenarios.

The first is that ALL vaccinated people will eventually be infected and then be provided with long lasting immunity.

The second scenario, in New Zealand at least, is the government tries to hold off the inevitable by endless restrictions in an attempt to stop the virus becoming endemic. These restrictions will be required forever.

There is no rate of vaccination in New Zealand that will stop the continued spread of COVID.

Link to the study here.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Dr John Campbell discusses the study here.

https://youtu.be/9bamaEMftg4
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October 3, 2021 8:58am
- redeye
  
  Yet there is something like 100 million people in the US who have had the virus, but are still being mandated to have the vaccine.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml1W0k0yaJk
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:30am
- Ra Henare
  
  True
  and guess what. That has been Sweden’s strategy all along. Protect the vulnerable and let the healthy get a dose of covid to build immunity.
  
  Sure they lost a lot of vulnerable because they didnt “get ontuit”” quickly.
  
  But their current stats look very healthy.
  Much lower deaths/mill compared to the recently vaunted(TVNZ) Ireland much lower vax rate.
  
  Our worldindata.org
  Compare sweden and ireland
  
  Once again John Campbell is a Phd Doctor, not a medical doctor
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:31am
  - Ra Henare
    
    His name is John Campbell and he is a retired Nurse Teacher and A and E nurse based in England. His PhD focused on the development of open learning resources for nurses nationally and internationally.
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:36am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes I am aware. Do you think he lacks credibility? He draws on good evidence. He clearly agrees with the evidence that “natural” immunity is superior to immunity offered by vaccines and he is adamant that nothing will stop COVID becoming endemic.
      
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      October 3, 2021 10:16am
      - Ra Henare
        
        My reply about John Cambell was aimed at KB readers who dont know about him.
        Yes I have watched a number of his videos.
        Yes he has some good stuff
        Yes he is human and has biases
        Yes he is human and makes mistakes
        I do not ascribe guru status to him however 🙂
        
        Another source of information to be true. But not the only one.
        
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        October 3, 2021 6:38pm
- dcrane
  
  Yes the primary gain of vaccination lies in protecting the vulnerable from getting severe covid (and/or death) upon infection (and the civil consequences of too many of them doing so at once). Below 30 or so, the risks start to get quite low.
  
  Forcing the young to be vaccinated will needlessly speed the evolution of resistance in the virus.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:30am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Hope that the study in Israel will continue long enough to compare the efficacy of the breakthrough infection against a third infection as compared to natural immunity.
  
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  October 3, 2021 1:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder if the essential Truck driver was vaxxed.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126565039/covid19-burger-king-and-bp-stops-added-as-locations-of-interest-on-auckland-truck-drivers-palmerston-north-trip
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October 3, 2021 9:00am
- PhilBest
  
  Confident prediction: contacts of this nature result in asymptomatic infection (if they result in infection at all) and this is a good thing.
  
  All this anal tracing of fleeting contacts is a colossal waste of resources. All that is needed is to prevent the prolonged periods sharing insufficiently fresh indoors air – then NO-ONE will die, and the spread of infection will merely confer natural immunity.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:28am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  That driver stopped at Taupiri, Putaruru, Taihape and Longburn on his way from Auckland to Palmerston North.
  Fuel tanks are large, these days. That suggests that the truck driver has bigger concerns about his diet or his bladder, than to be worrying about Covid-19.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:41am
kevn

@Maggy… and what’s the buzz about the 3m wide and 3m high containers becoming the global standard? NZ can’t unload/truck them I gather. Equipment and roading can’t manage.
Maybe Master Mariner can call in and tell us more.
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October 3, 2021 9:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Legal width is 2555 without over dimension stuff
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:10am
surfing

But, I wake up and the morning news shows that gang members have had a pretty good day yesterday.

It feels like the gangs are out of control.
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October 3, 2021 9:08am
NeverMindTheBollocks

There are a couple of articles in yesterday’s DP decrying the rise of modern slavery in NZ and how we must all strive to defeat it.

Well and good, but not a single mention that those offended against are virtually all from India or thereabouts; nor that the offenders are likewise virtually all from India (or Fiji).

It really gets on my tits when other cultures look to replicate their exploitative power structures in NZ.
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October 3, 2021 9:16am
- cmm
  
  They are us.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:59am
NZpatriot

Unreal.

These disgusting Vermin brutally and viciously attack an elderly woman and avoid a jail sentence.

The “Judge” said:

“If I send you to prison, it can only be for a finite term. You’ll go to prison, you’ll sit in a cell, and you won’t actually do anything other than mix with other people, possibly like-minded, and I am worried that you are going to come out even worse than when you went in.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/no-jail-for-whangarei-women-for-nasty-violent-robbery-of-octogenarian/PCUPDD425QHUJ4NIBM5GMYMH6Y/
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October 3, 2021 9:43am
- Albert_Ross
  
  What exactly do you disagree with in the judge’s comment? For people such as these perps, prison neither punishes, deters nor reforms. On the contrary, it’s quite likely to have the opposite effect.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:12am
  - Don Beckett
    
    So they’re let free in society to continue their crimes??
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:34am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      No, they’re not. As it says very clearly in the linked article, they will be kept in home detention and made to do community work, and one of them is also required to pay a fine.
      
      If you see the purpose of prison as keeping the public safe, home detention will have the same effect.
      
      However, in both cases the effect only lasts for a limited period, and then the perps are out and again at liberty in the community. Is it your contention that having been in prison is likely to make them into better people?
      
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      October 3, 2021 11:37am
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        One would hope that a prison term would make other people think twice before committing tha same crime. Home detention is not nearly as much of a detergent in my opinion.
        
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        October 3, 2021 1:22pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Yes info, one might hope so. It certainly deters me from committing crimes. But then – I have a nice home to live in, and a family that doesn’t abuse me, and a worthwhile job that pays well, and enough money, education and opportunities to be able to pass my leisure time in enjoyable ways. The prospect of prison won’t have the same deterrent effect on people who have none of the above to be deprived of. And once there, they are likely to be exposed to bad influences, and they’ll have no means to resist them.
        
        Prison has been described as an expensive way to make bad people worse, and I think there’s a great deal in that.
        
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        October 3, 2021 1:57pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes but having them in jail keeps the public safe which in my opinion is a good thing. What’s the bet they will be in the news again committing further crimes after this slap with the bus ticket.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:58am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      And do you think they will be less likely to commit further crimes after having sat in a cell for a few months or years, and not actually doing anything but mixing with people likely to make them worse?
      
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      October 3, 2021 2:04pm
JibberJabber

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1444380910388973577

Lisa Carrington, with three gold medals became New Zealand’s most medalled Olympic athlete ever.

She was beaten to sports woman of the year by a man, who failed to even qualify in the female weightlifting finals.

And that’s a fact. Well done Lisa
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October 3, 2021 9:45am
- Don Beckett
  
  That’s bloody disgraceful. An abject loser is voted a winner against one of the best athletes in the world.
  What have we become ?
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:33am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is “Otago University Sportswoman of the year” so it is not surprising.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:40am
- oldfella
  
  @JJ
  Awarded by Otago University. Very prestigious. Not!
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:01am
- Bobba Fret
  
  That is ridiculous.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:07am
- gump
  
  The Blues and Golds awards are for students at Otago University.
  
  Like most of the twits on Twitter you didn’t manage to read past the headline.
  
  “And that’s a fact.”
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:03pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

ZB reporting a man has been killed on the main street of Otorohanga, following an Axe-Attack by what was believed to be ‘gang members’ 🙁

TBH, I didn’t even know where the town was, so did a little quick research. Seems a similar attack took place there by rival gangs nearly 200 years ago to the day!

From what I was able to glean, these days Otorohanga (pop 3000) is known for it’s 24/7 McDonalds…. and two Liquor Stores.
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October 3, 2021 9:46am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is between Te Kuiti and Hamilton. Nice part of the country. I used to drive that way when I drove from Wellington to Auckland when I lived up there.
  
  Shame it is blighted by gangs.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Used to be nice, as did all the surrounding towns settlements in the King Country. Not anymore. The Waikato is my old stomping ground, grew up in Hamilton (please don’t remember that)
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:15am
  - Don Beckett
    
    A dude from the ‘Tron. 🙂
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Shut up Don, it is fucking embarrassing. When I left High School I was the only kid that could write my own name
      
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      October 3, 2021 10:39am
      - Don Beckett
        
        🙂 😆 😆
        
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        October 3, 2021 11:00am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        That is not quite the achievement really Steve.
        
        All the other kids could write names, just not theirs and just not in their own cheque books . . .
        
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        October 3, 2021 11:12am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I forgot the sarc // tag Paulus
        
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        October 3, 2021 11:53am
- pdm
  
  MP – Kiwi House and near Waitomo Caves.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:08am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Our mother was born there in 1928
  
  Of what significance that is I have no idea although it was important to me and my siblings as it turns out.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:14am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  And both the attacker and attacked were probably in self isolation at home Maggie….
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:53am
pdm

I blame the All Black loss this morning on 3 things:

1. Poor selections – the 6 Akira Ioane made 6 tackles in 80 minutes for example and the replacement hooker Amura was out of his depth at line out and scrum plus Perenarar was too slow when he came on.
2.Poor coaching bracketed with
3 Poor Captaincy.

re 2 & 3 – when the Boks botched the kickoff in the 78 or 79 minute and Savea made a good burst from the scrum on half way the ball should have been given to Mo’unga from the ruck to put in touch in the Bok 22 75/90 yards from our line, instead we tried to hold it when we were consistently been out muscled at ruck and maul for most of the second half.

I blame Foster, Plumtree, McLeod and Savea for the loss!!!

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!!
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October 3, 2021 9:46am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s a bit unfair singling out Aumua. Our line out struggled all night, with Codie Taylor having an off night with his throwing.
  
  As for the final minutes, the strategy was to keep the ball in hand, but it was poorly executed by the All Black forward who went off his feet at that tackle. You can’t blame the coaches for a player making an error. I thought Savea had his best game as All Black captain, but the loose forwards suffered when Jacobson was subbed off. Savea had been outstanding at #7, but when he moved back to #8 and Blackadder came on, we started to lose the contest for the loose ball. Neither side was helped by refereeing inconsistencies in the final quarter, with the player not rolling away being an Achilles heel of the referee.
  
  In summary, South Africa were the better team in the second half, and deserved the win, but once again, on any given day there’s nothing between the two sides.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:08am
  - Cinematic
    
    Aumua didn’t go off his feet. A 50/50 call by a ref that had a good game. In fact I’ve been really impressed with the NH refs.
    
    SA deserved it dominating ruck, scrum and line out in second half. Disappointing from our pack.
    
    A lot of inexperienced AB’s on for the last 10 minutes. We’ve got the silverware.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:29am
    - pdm
      
      The Frenchman who did the Aussie v Argies was pitiful – true to past form formine.
      
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      October 3, 2021 11:09am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        He wasn’t French pdm; it was Jaco Peyper from South Africa, who is in the twilight of his career.
        
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        October 3, 2021 11:37am
  - pdm
    
    In my mind Savea is a poor choice as Captain – he never takls to the referee – the yarpies regularly not releasing in the tackle is a clear example, where was Savea – nowhere near the ref.
    
    Trying to retain the ball just never seems to work – we consistently get penalised trying it.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:32am
  - R
    
    And as for Perenara, you must have missed the fact that when he came on, the All Blacks were behind but with seconds remaining they were in front. If we had more players that are slow, the ABs would’ve won comfortably! 🙂
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:40am
    - pdm
      
      Slow though – looks more and more like Weepu every game.
      
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      October 3, 2021 11:10am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Don’t know if it was the throwing last night but the ABs struggled in both tests with the lineouts against SA Tony.
    I think the lineout failures lost the game, also the tackler lying over the tackled player and not allowing the ball to be placed was critical despite later in the game the ref started penalising SA for that.
    If both the lineout failures and the many times SA players killed the ball on the ground had not happened NZ could have slipped away with the game much earlier as their backs were far more intrusive and dangerous. Reece and Ioane were electric, the deliberately knocked down ball by SA when Sevu Reece had an overlap would have resulted in a try.
    With that final penalty, the ref indicated a number of the forwards were offside. In retrospect it could be argued holding the line and not rushing the defence at that point was a better strategy.
    Beauden had a good game against a crushing defence and was testing that defence frequently so replacing him late now looks like a mistake as Mounga didn’t fire.
    Bloody great game, however.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:30pm
    - Colville
      
      We really miss Whitelock.
      
      and yeah Peranara aint the answer to any question.
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:51pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Thank you for your comments. Nowadays the contributors to Kiwiblog write more knowledgably about rugby than the bought off main stream media, who all seem to be angling for lucrative PR jobs with NZ Rugby.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:56am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  pdm, firstly, Perenara is the worst half back we’ve picked in the last 20 years. Double pumps when passing the ball or takes a pace, has a look whether he should run, then passes. So our first and second receivers always have defenders in their face when they get the ball. Flat defences don’t allow for release delay.
  Secondly, Foster is the worst coach we’ve had since Ivan Vadonovich. Enough said.
  Third, we leak way too many points to win games consistently against the best opposition. An WC games need top notch defence.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:58am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes, I hate to say this but if we put the same team on the field tomorrow against the Wallabies, we’d be beaten.
    There’s no excuse for losing that game last night. They had the game in the bag with 1.5mins to go, albeit they didn’t deserve to be in the lead ATT IMO. However, be it as it is, whoever gave away the last penalty should suffer some serious sideline gazing, if not put out to pasture.
    I’m sure the blind institute could have retained the ball for those last 1.5mins with no sideline or coaching intervention whatsoever.
    
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    October 3, 2021 2:01pm
All_on_Red

Apparently a game changing Therapeutic Covid drug has just been released by Merck.
https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021/10/01/phenomenal-mercks-new-covid-therapeutic-may-be-a-gamechanger-n419598
https://www.merck.com/news/merck-and-ridgebacks-investigational-oral-antiviral-molnupiravir-reduced-the-risk-of-hospitalization-or-death-by-approximately-50-percent-compared-to-placebo-for-patients-with-mild-or-moderat/
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October 3, 2021 9:48am
- JibberJabber
  
  Any self-medicated treatments will be banned by Ardern, you know and I know it, tho’ give it a few months you should be able to get it thru one of her sponsored local gang chapters.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:08am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    In Australia doctors have been banned from prescribing ivermectin for the treatment of covid, despite good evidence that it is effective.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:43am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  more evidence of the corruption of the drug approval process – Ivermectin has far more positive evidence for benefit (provided it is used early/prophylactically when virus is still multiplying)
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:17am
  - Inandout
    
    UN, the lefties used to harp on about ‘big pharma’ monopolising and rorting the public; now crickets. They have however switched to the Climate Change industry which was silenced by covid. Drug companies have always had their critics but over the years have spent billions of dollars searching for medical treatments.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:43am
- rangitoto
  
  Almost as good as Pfizermectin but the real thing is a lot cheaper in India
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:42pm
Don Beckett

I see on a news item on TV1 last night, that Merck pharmaceuticals have developed a pill that can be taken to treat & minimize the effects of Covid that is in testing now, and may soon be widely available. I wouldn’t mind betting that it is a relaunching of an updated Ivermectin under a new name.
It simply makes sense to self medicate. When we get a cold, we know that it can get serious & has to run it’s course. So what do we do ? We go and get some Coldrex tablets & and nose spray, and these mitigate the effect of the cold so we feel better, and carry on with life. Same with common ‘flu.
Why should Covid Delta or any variant be any different?
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October 3, 2021 9:49am
- Inandout
  
  DB, or have some citrus juice regularly. I despair when I see lemons rotting on the ground and the house occupiers gulping down synthetic vitamin C. Takes two minutes to squeeze citrus juice; prevent, not try and cure.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:55am
  - Don Beckett
    
    True, I&o, but Vit.C which I am a believer in & have used every day for more years than I can recall, but you do get a considerably higher dose of Vit.C from the tabs than the fruit. But you’re right, we have a lemon, lime & orange tree in our yard & its much more enjoyable than swallowing a pill.
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:23am
- cmm
  
  “When we get a cold, we know that it can get serious & has to run it’s course. So what do we do ? ”
  
  Many of those “colds” are really flu infections that our bodies fight off before they get established and we don’t even resort to Coldrex.
  
  Then there are a bunch of flu infections we consider a cold and will treat with Coldrex.
  
  A much smaller number of flu infections end up bad enough that people go to the doctor and being diagnosed as flu.
  
  And only a tiny number end up going to hospital.
  
  According to the experts (before they stopped talking about flu and started hyping CV19), over a million people in NZ get infected with flu every year.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Delta has to be different or the Govt loses the fear porn lever
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    My Grandma died from Covid over 50 years ago – just found out //
    
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    October 3, 2021 10:32am
- Northshoredoc
  
  ‘I wouldn’t mind betting that it is a relaunching of an updated Ivermectin under a new name.’
  
  That would be a very poor bet as they are quite dissimilar compounds.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    
    The new Merck pill being publicised contains molnupiravir – C13H19N3O7
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molnupiravir
    
    Completely different from Ivermectin
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:01am
    - Fletch
      
      I was interested in the new Merck pill when I heard about it on the news last night, but according to Wiki (yeh, I know) a whistle blower was concerned that this type of drug was a mutagen. I notice that the word has been scrubbed from the Wiki page now.
      
      It does say on Wiki that the new drug, “exerts its antiviral action through introduction of copying errors during viral RNA replication.” Which still sounds like messing about with cell building blocks etc.
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:04pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yes,
        it is a mutagen…
        
        Mechanism of molnupiravir-induced SARS-CoV-2 mutagenesis
        
        https://www.nature.com/articles/s41594-021-00651-0
        
        and that’s why it might prove useful……because it buggers up the RNA-replicating process of the Virus (not the genetic material of human cells).
        
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        October 3, 2021 3:54pm
      - miltonF
        
        Won’t that break the normal evolution of viruses to trend towards less lethal and more transmissible over time?
        
        In other words: won’t this create the odd freak variant which could take out quite a number of people? Granted, the freak variants will quickly peter out and be mostly contained to areas that are heavily using this drug.
        
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        October 3, 2021 8:18pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Fair enough – I have no idea of the chemistry involved.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:02am
oldfella

THE WEEK IN PICTURES: BIDEN’S TERRIBLE NO GOOD WEAK EDITION (PowerLine)
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/10/the-weak-in-pictures-bidens-terrible-no-good-week-edition.php
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October 3, 2021 10:14am
Alan Wilkinson

How much longer can the unvaccinated imprison the country?
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October 3, 2021 10:24am
- ByGolly
  
  Unless they send out goon squads with syringes, as long as Cindy says so.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:26am
- cmm
  
  A better question: How long can the country be imprisoned using the unvaccinated as a scapegoat?
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:27am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Phrased better I agree though the effect is the same whether failure to vaccinate is thoughtful or thoughtless.
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I thought Jaspinda was vaccinated?
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:34am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Do you understand that no level of vaccination will prevent COVID becoming endemic in New Zealand?
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:45am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I’m not arguing everyone must be vaccinated but that the rest of the country mustn’t be held hostage to their failure.
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:22pm
- R
  
  How much longer can the unvaccinated imprison the country?
  
  They’re not. I hate to mention this again but in April, vaccinators in New Zealand were told:
  
  “Do not administer mRNA-CV to individuals with a known history of severe allergic reaction to any component of the vaccine.”
  
  … [Deleted – alarmist conspiracy posts not welcome here. This advice to vaccinators is standard for any medication. Mod.]
  
  Given that more than 5.1 million (mostly unvaccinated) NZers haven’t contracted the virus, some will wonder what all the fuss is about and will feel a vaccine isn’t necessary.
  
  Nobody is holding the country to ransom except weak-kneed politicians.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Blame the kiddies….
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:02am
- dcrane
  
  Reads well as tongue-in-cheek, so upticked.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:21am
Monique Watson

I don’t know how Jacinda’s supporters can argue that New Zealand isn’t now a Hermit Kingdom. The U.S. Postal Service just cut off postal deliveries there which pisses me off no end as I was just about to send some mail.
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October 3, 2021 10:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Said elsewhere, got my Trump 2024 Keep America Great flag just in time
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:43am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You will like this one from the Powerline Blog then Steve (from Hamilton)
    
    https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2021/10/uhswu1qp85p71.jpg?w=499&ssl=1
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:20am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Just stole that. Put on FB. Watch the fact checkers go insane
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That ‘Hamilton’ must be in Ah tea rower now. Not in the New Zealand I know
      
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      October 3, 2021 2:37pm
  - oldfella
    
    @steveO
    Kamala is now wearing an LGBTQ cap.
    Stands for Let’s Get Biden To Quit.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yeah. Horizontal Harris. That was always her plan
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:02pm
  - MCos
    
    Have you got a matching Apostle Brian, Bishop Tamaki of Wiri, flag?
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    4 downtickers obviously want one but missed out. You need to be smart and quick to get these deals. It was free, just pay shipping.
    You poor sorry arsed people
    
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    October 3, 2021 4:35pm
- MCos
  
  Also Australia and a whole lot of other third world countries.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Description is in the link. Is this where the socialists are heading?
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/five-of-the-most-heinous-nazi-medical-experiments/?
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October 3, 2021 10:27am
Maggie Pie

Just before I went to bed last night I made a coffee for my partner.
The rugby was just about to start and he wanted to stay up.
I waited for a moment while the teams ran out and sung their anthems.
Then the AB’s performed the HAKA.
Honestly, does anyone else find that…..EMBARRASSING?
Soooo cringe-making!

I guessed we’d lost when he came up later wearing pyjamas.
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October 3, 2021 10:34am
- R
  
  I guessed we’d lost when he came up later wearing pyjamas.
  
  Dare I ask what he wears when the ABs win?
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:53am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I heard the haka on ZB and it seemed to go on forever. The old one was simple and quick.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:00am
- surfing
  
  I like the all blacks haka …. it is part of rugby culture and adds to the atmosphere.
  
  But, I intensely dislike the propensity for people to drop a haka willy nilly — i do cringe at that. The all blacks haka should be the preserve of the all blacks only.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:14am
  - Jade Warrior
    
    I can remember some years ago seeing the NZ Army (brass) band performing in their formal dress uniform. They played brilliantly and the crowd was enjoying the performance.
    
    Then they all put their instruments down and did a haka. It just looked … weird. They got one or two ironic claps from the audience but that was all.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:17pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The Army has its own haka and a formal tribal identity as Ngati Tumatuenga.
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:51pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Two words that have me stabbing at the remote: ‘impromptu haka’
  
  Summarised is one word, cringeworthy
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:22am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You are supposed to cringe from an aggressive challenge.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:52pm
- cmm
  
  ABs, and a few other Polynesians, are the only teams that are allowed to chant death threats at the start of a game.
  
  Imagine if the Lions learned a few songs from their soccer hooligans and chanted those. How would that go down?
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Their fans would love it, instead of having to sing soppy hymns.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:54pm
  - kowtow
    
    It has got utterly nonsensical.
    
    “The Swing Low, Sweet Chariot song has long been part of the culture of rugby and is sung by many who have no awareness of its origins or its sensitivities.
    
    “We are reviewing its historical context and our role in educating fans to make informed decisions.”
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-19/english-rugby-reviewing-fans-singing-of-swing-low-sweet-chariot/12375592
    
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    October 3, 2021 1:23pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  When ever I see the Haka now, it brings back memories of my wife.
  Every time she would see it on TV she would ask….
  “Did someone drop a hat?”
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:58pm
TP4Shore

It’s not about kindness anymore. It’s about competence. We need competence to solve the problems this government has caused.

It needs to start now.
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October 3, 2021 10:51am
cmm

Is the latest foray into sexual violence prevention going to improve anything or is this just another Kiwibuild (perhaps Kiwirape)?

Spending $15M a year seems to be mainly focused on providing a wee trough – especially for Maori.

” Associate Minister for ACC Willie Jackson said Māori are disproportionately impacted by sexual violence.

“While many effects are common for all people, Māori experience sexual violence in culturally distinct ways. This requires solutions that are led by Māori, with Māori and for Māori.””

Ok, so another bunch of Maori service providers then. I wonder how much will end up going to the gangs since they are the worst offenders.

I can easily save you a few million: gangs are nests of sexual violence. If we stop treating the gangs like cultural organisations and ruthlessly stamp them out instead of handing out $3M for “drug programmes” and $??? for “domestic violence programmes”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126564234/acc-to-invest-449-million-for-sexual-violence-prevention-including-117-million-for-kaupapa-mori
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October 3, 2021 10:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “culturally distinct sexual violence”
  
  For FUCK’s sake!
  
  Sexual violence is violence by the powerful against the weak and it doesn’t matter what culture indulges in it; it is wrong, harmful and needs to STOP.
  
  If the problem is within the Maori culture, then that’s an admission that Maori culture has been condoning sexual violence within its ranks.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:11am
  - cmm
    
    Flip this on its head: Not raping people is a colonial construct.
    
    Rape is a power play. Of course it is a brutal violence against the woman, typically, who is being raped, but it is also a power play to humiliate the men who have their sisters, mothers, wives, whatever raped.
    
    Rape is part of the brutal warrior culture.
    
    It is no different in Africa where more than 50% of women end up raped in the less developed areas.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:15pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    100% correct Maggy. Rape is rape is rape. Comparing statistics by culture or race is unlikely to do anything other than shed light on the prejudices of those doing the comparisons.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:39pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Sheesh what utter nonsense
      
      Identifying the demographics of a particular problem is a valuable tool for assessing where resources need to be deployed
      
      By and large NZ’s Asian community doesn’t commit rape in large numbers therefore it would be a waste of resource to target that community at the same level as other communities where the offending is more common
      
      Your bizarre argument suggests for example that little old ladies should be considered to be violent criminals as much as young males and should be stopped and questioned in the same numbers
      
      BTW, if you really believe ” Comparing statistics by culture or race is unlikely to do… I’d be really interested in how you justify targetted healthcare
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:57pm
    - cmm
      
      “Comparing statistics by culture or race is unlikely to do anything”
      
      Please.
      
      If you can identify the worst traits that lead to violence/rape/whatever and some of those have cultural components, then messaging/”reprogramming” can be targeted at those traits.
      
      It is the same with any negative outcome in society. Find what’s broken, why it is broken then fix it. Just all saying that we want less rape is not going fix anything.
      
      “In his review, Dr Wilson found two-thirds of all “high-risk” rapists, and half of all inmates sentenced for rape, were Maori. ”
      
      Based on that, Maori are 11 times more likely to be high risk rapists than Europeans.
      
      If you discount cultural factors you’re not going to make any progress sorting this out.
      
      And, because you want to be “Maori-friendly” you sweep this under the carpet. Guess who suffers the most? Maori women – who are far more likely to be the victims of rape than non-Maori women.
      
      That goes for other offending too: it is Maori who are disproportionately victims of crime too – at the hands of Maori. Ignoring crime is not being Maori-friendly – it hurts Maori.
      
      Of course all rape and all crime should be addressed, but these massive skews in who is committing the crime need to be acknowledged to make headway.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-flagged-in-rape-review/ZHNC4EJASW2WUHBOZULUV4WCVM/
      
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      October 3, 2021 1:35pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Interestingly you’re at most risk of sexual violence within a relationship if you’re a lesbian of colour*
        
        Followed by lesbians of any other ethnicity, gay men of colour and only then if you’re in a heterosexual relationship (likelihood depends upon ethnicity)
        
        Toxic femininity eh?
        
        *term used as Asians, Indians etc aren’t accepted to be PoC
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/434557/survey-reveals-higher-risk-of-sexual-violence-for-gay-lesbian-or-bisexual-people
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_lesbian_relationships#:~:text=Sexual violence within lesbian relationships,psychological abuse and verbal abuse.
        
        https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01506/full
        
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        October 3, 2021 3:30pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      As a teacher I was obliged to report any incidents of sexual violence I heard about/observed.
      
      Do you think, MMA, I should now only disclose incidents of sexual violence to the culturally appropriate authorities, and if it’s a cross-cultural act of sexual violence do I inform the folks in the victim’s culture or the perpetrator’s?
      
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      October 3, 2021 4:02pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Would it be over simplifying to ascribe a solution to:
    “Self control”?
    
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    October 3, 2021 1:00pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Self control is a white supremacist belief now RWC
      
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      October 3, 2021 3:36pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Well duh, of course there would be less rape, murder, theft, corruption, child abuse, fraud, pollution etc etc etc if more people exercised more self control. That’s been true since the beginning of human civilisation. As an insight into what can be done to make it actually happen, however, it’s completely useless.
      
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      October 3, 2021 7:10pm
      - artemisia
        
        If ‘self control’ is rephrased as delayed gratification, then it can certainly be learned. I guess it needs to be taught though, and that looks like a way forward.
        
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        October 3, 2021 7:26pm
Tony Stuart

Two new Covid cases just announced outside Auckland; one at Raglan, and the other, a contact, at Hamilton East. Add that to the truckie isolating in Palmerston North who might have given diners at Burger King in Rangitikei Street something more than fries with their meals, and it might be time to stock up on beer and toilet paper again!

https://twitter.com/rnz_news/status/1444418895935279106
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October 3, 2021 10:53am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The PM and Ashley Bloomfield are holding an unscheduled media conference at 1pm to discuss the implications of these new cases.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:00am
- Scooter
  
  Just in time before Mondays deadline whether to keep Auckland in lockdown.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:34am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed. I think it’s more likely that the entire North Island will go into L3, possibly as soon as tonight.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:39am
- Littletramp
  
  The news of Raglan & Hamilton cases are not going to help the govt narrative much. They will be trying to scapegoat the Tamaki protest as a super spreader, but the Raglan case was tested on Friday before the protest rally.
  Join the dots and it looks like Covid is in the gangs now, and flowing through the drug distribution channels. How long will it take for media to pick up on that – yeah, nah?
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:38am
  - Northshoredoc
    
    The MoH, Police and Government has known this fact for weeks but has said very very little because ‘racism’.
    
    What a pathetic infantilised country we have become.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:28pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      And that’s just in Kiwiblog comments threads…
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:55pm
      - Northshoredoc
        
        quod erat demonstrandum
        
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        October 3, 2021 1:32pm
  - kowtow
    
    The Media have literally contracted with the govt to “active protection” of ToW something or others .
    
    Anything seen marginally to be around race issues will get the Pravda air brush treatment .
    
    Bish Tamaki and his followers , though larhgely Maori ,does not fall within this as he like the Brethren are acceptable as hate figures for the Media Pardy and being Christian fundamentalists , doubly so.
    
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    October 3, 2021 1:30pm
- dannz
  
  Looks like it’s getting away.
  Antivax here sure they read the data right?
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:21pm
dcrane

Air NZ to ban the unvaccinated from international flights from February.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-no-jab-no-fly-air-nz-wont-allow-unvaccinated-passengers-to-fly-internationally/FQONRQ4QUDCB65JDJC5G3IM6YA/

My Airpoints account is now cancelled, and told them why. It was the only way I could register my extreme disapproval.

I may well be vaccinated at some point here soon, especially with covid now getting away from the government, but I strenuously object to the new privatised bio-justified fascism of which this decision is likely a part. If our society wishes to drastically change individual civic rights, it should be done by the vote, not this way.
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October 3, 2021 10:53am
- surfing
  
  It is possibly an OSH thing , as employers are required to keep their staff safe.
  
  Lawyers will be making tons of money debating these things.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:03am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Whether employees can be compelled to be vaccinated will be tested by the Supreme Court.
    
    But as far as airline passengers go, there is no question that airlines can require vaccination to travel.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:00pm
    - dannz
      
      Just like a construction site enforcing PPE requirements, it shouldn’t even be controversial.
      
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      October 3, 2021 2:23pm
- Stu2
  
  You will have to be double vaxxed to fly to quite a few destinations anyway
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:28am
  - dcrane
    
    Problem is when this argument gets used by everybody to shift blame for the policy to someone else.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:51am
  - cmm
    
    Two wrongs make a right, eh?
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:52am
    - kowtow
      
      Two Wongs made a spike .
      
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      October 3, 2021 3:17pm
  - miltonF
    
    There are more and more countries removing all restrictions. Unvaccinated are constantly getting more choices of countries to flee to as an economic refugee. I guess they had to shut off that escape route.
    
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    October 3, 2021 8:38pm
- cmm
  
  As a taxpayer supported entity, AirNZ should not be considered a private company that can set any rules it wants.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Bad luck. It is a private company. The Crown has no more rights than the other stare holders. The government cannot direct the board to act in why ways that conflict with the best interests of the company.
    
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    October 3, 2021 11:56am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Have a look at new appointments to the board.
      Indirectly they pay the piper.
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:26pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Ok, perhaps a quick explanation might be in order:
        The government holds shares in some private companies where it would be unacceptable for that company to collapse due to market whims. See also Genesis, Meridian, and Mercury. The government, as shareholder for the taxpayers, appoints the majority of directors.
        Then there are SOEs – fully owned by the taxpayers but operating commercially. The government appoints the boards.
        Then there are the categories of Crown entities: Crown agents, autonomous Crown entities, and independent Crown entities. Again, the government appoints the boards, which have varying levels of statutory independence.
        Then there are the public services departments, which don’t have boards, but chief executives appointed by the public service commissioner.
        
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        October 3, 2021 1:15pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        You want the shareholding Ministers to call an extraordinary shareholders meeting and use their majority to replace the Air New Zealand Board. Because they require people to be vaccinated on their planes?
        
        You are actually suggesting that as something the government could do?
        
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        October 3, 2021 2:09pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  For God’s sake. What airline are you planning on taking? You were surprised by this decision?
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:58am
  - dcrane
    
    It absolutely sucks. Out of curiosity, where did I say I was surprised? I’ve been dreading the decision.
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:11pm
- Inandout
  
  dc, all MPs fly within and without NZ at some stage so we presume they are 100% vaccinated or they would be banned. Also US politicians are exempt from being required to vaccinate so those who are not will have their travel to some countries curtailed. Well we know how sneaky elected officials can be and how their ‘proof of vaccine’ may be taken with a grain of salt.
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:05pm
- Ehlana
  
  I would think airline bans would be related to government controls in the countries they fly too – if country A requires proof of vaccination before they will allow a passenger to land, there is no point in the airline offering seats to people who are not.
  
  Though I would also think the airlines would want to be making that clear, rather than imposing bans themselves.
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:39pm
- Cinematic
  
  Don’t sweat it. This is tokenism. A lot of countries will require a vax so Air NZ isn’t really doing anything. Once it’s endemic the requirements will disappear. I’d say by 2023.
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Didn’t a double-vaxxed Air NZ staffer arrive with the virus in August at the start of Auckland’s outbreak?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/126120546/covid19-what-we-know-about-the-air-nz-crew-member-who-tested-positive
  
  Air NZ chief executive Greg Foran said the crew member was fully vaccinated, and had just returned from Narita Airport – on the eastern outskirts of Tokyo.
  
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  October 3, 2021 1:45pm
- gump
  
  They’ll be pleased you cancelled your Airpoints account.
  
  Unused Airpoints are recorded as a financial liability on their books.
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:11pm
  - dcrane
    
    The truth is more complicated:
    
    https://hbr.org/2021/04/how-loyalty-programs-are-saving-airlines
    
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    October 3, 2021 3:48pm
Littletramp

Watching Charlie Wilson’s War. Question – “Charlie, why is congress saying one thing and doing nothing”? Charlie – “tradition mostly”.
Priceless- remind you of any other government?
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October 3, 2021 11:10am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Reminds me of every government, anywhere and at any time.
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:06pm
dcrane

OSH rules are usually about regulating the required actions/tasks of the employed.

The implied reasoning fails on many levels. Testing of all employees and passengers, jabbed or not, would be necessary before each flight since the vaxxed can carry the vrius and are probably more likely not to know they have it. And if this reasoning was really so important, they would long ago have required flu jabs etc.

[Mods – this was meant as a reply to surfing above. I would delete but that never seems to work.]
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October 3, 2021 11:16am
Jack5

Are there any maths teachers prepared to waste five minutes scanning the recommendations on fixing maths education?

A Maori dictionary might be handy, and don’t have high expectations.

The report comes from the Royal Society of NZ, as it is still officially named in legislation though it is promoting itself with a Maori name.

Be prepared for very low maths content and high political, Woke content.

You can download the report here:

https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/assets/Pangarau-Mathematics-and-Tauanga-Statistics-in-Aotearoa-New-Zealand-Digital.pdf
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October 3, 2021 11:35am
- Jack5
  
  Whoops!
  
  Sorry I posted that. I have a bad habit of reading threads from the bottom up, and the post doubles up on discussion initiated by Maggie Wassilieff higher in the thread.
  
  I particularly liked this in Washo’s post at 8.39am:
  
  Statistics in NZ schools is really social studies in disguise. Real statistics is quite complex.
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:58am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Surely you can the two-page executive summary and render an opinion.
  I’d do it myself if I thought my opinions count, or that my conclusions would add up.
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is very readable once you figure out that :
  
  ākonga means students
  pāngarau means mathematics
  and tauanga means statistics.
  
  The section on Stats and using logic is really good… not dealing with high power analysis of data.. but explaining why it is important for ordinary folks to question why data are being collected, and whether numerical data are being analysed and interpreted appropriately.
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:20pm
  - Jack5
    
    On a second look I find a heading “Ngā tūtohutanga”, which Google’s dictionary tells me means recommendations.
    
    The second of these says:
    
    Ensure every child is given a quality opportunity to learn mathematics and statistics for at least an hour every day, Years 0–10, and that they are given access to all areas of the curriculum.
    
    Statistics at age 5? Surely they can’t mean descriptive, predictive, and prescriptive analytics? So they are really just talking about social studies.
    
    Why do Asian kids do so well in maths, and well beyond any small genetic advantage they likely have?
    
    Ignore that and you largely get just blather.
    
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    October 3, 2021 3:31pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Unreadable with use of pidgin Maori as substitute for English.
  Does this mixture qualify as a use of English?
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:53pm
ecco

Expect an easy ride on Covid restrictions for students from here on in:

I heard from someone who travelled on the Auckland to Wellington Air NZ full flight yesterday. Lots of students on that flight. Students are part of one of the exemptions to the Auckland border restrictions that Ardern announced a week ago. Students have one a golden ticket in the exemptions lottery, shall we say…

Expect exemptions from restrictions for students to be in her plan to get re elected again. She knows what part of her voter base gets her over the line ie students. Will include things like easier pass rates etc for them, open book tests (in the name of covid disruptions). You even see free ncea credits being given out ‘because of covid disruptions’ for future voters of hers. These yr 12-13 kids now will be in uni by 2023.

From middle of next year I won’t be surprised to see the student allowance bribes to get rolled out as part two of shoring up the student vote (this includes their families who might be centre voters).
Ardern goes much easier on her voter base in a number of stealth ways. It does require compliance by government agencies supposed to be upholding standards eg university departments but they can be threatened and bought out in order to get them to tow the party line. Look what happened to Des Gorman when he spoke out on the inadequacies of the Labour covid response. His department head tried to silence him. Why?

Look also at the leniency accorded to gang infringements by her police puppet Coster, home isolation allowed for gang members etc etc. Meanwhile Ardern’s coming down heavy on people like butchers, greengrocers not in her ‘supermarket category’ of businesses allowed to open. These people tried to open in Auckland as they are about to lose their livelihoods. Her compliant msm also aiding and abetting this by, for eg, virtually no reporting by MSM on the gang infringements on Friday ,yet all over it with the Tamaki rally yesterday. I don’t normally like Tamaki, but good on him for taking a stand.

Make no mistake, every thing Ardern does is politically motivated to shore up her voter base and give them preferential treatment, or else it’s actions in response to Labour dropping in the polls.
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October 3, 2021 11:48am
- ecco
  
  Also explains why Ardern didn’t mandate wearing of masks in schools -students and teachers are her core constituency, so better not make their life too difficult. This was despite one of the key ‘experts’, Michael Baker, calling for an across the board rule that masks be worn in schools.
  
  Baker is about the best of a bad bunch of Ardern scientific sycophants, in my view. At times he is prepared to state what he really thinks should happen, as opposed to just outright towing the party line and never criticising Ardern and Bloomfield. Maybe he doesn’t have as much government consultancy work, or maybe he’s just principled in what he believes should happen?
  
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  October 3, 2021 11:56am
  - nathie
    
    Yeah, and of those three give me Baker any day over those charlatans Hendy and Wiles!
    
    For some reason Hendy now thinks thousands will die and the msm at the podium of public relations barely question that absurdity!
    
    As for Wiles, even her friends don’t listen to her (as they happily swim in her presence under level 4), I mean if her own friends don’t find her credible then why should the public?
    
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    October 3, 2021 2:23pm
Maggie Pie

Special briefing @ 1pm….

Is Auckland about to become the worlds biggest Internment Camp?
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October 3, 2021 11:53am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Bigger than the Gaza Strip?
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:04pm
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, you mean that strip joint in Otahuhu?
    
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    October 3, 2021 12:17pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Maggie Pie could tell you more about that then I.
      
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      October 3, 2021 12:32pm
- Ehlana
  
  If the new cases are in the Waikato, why don’t we put the affected areas into Level 3 (like they did with Upper Hauraki) and still put Auckland into Level 2?
  
  After all, the rest of the country was allowed to be in Level 2 while Auckland was in Level 3, so why can’t Auckland be in Level 2 while (part of) the rest of the country is in Level 3?
  
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  October 3, 2021 12:42pm
Fletch

Just watched the 1pm Covid briefing. It’s like the beginning of the final big vaccination push. Jacinda – “if we’d had 90% of the country vaccinated then we wouldn’t be here today”. And she goes on about “the virus finding unvaccinated people”. I call BS on that. It’s a fact that the vaccine doesn’t stop people getting Covid or passing it on, ie, it wouldn’t stop case numbers rising. The best you can say is that the vaccine will ameliorate symptoms.

If I were more cynical, I would say that this whole thing has been created to push vaccination numbers.
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October 3, 2021 1:23pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “It’s a fact that the vaccine doesn’t stop people getting Covid or passing it on, ie, it wouldn’t stop case numbers rising.”
  
  You make it sound like the vaccine does not work. It significantly reduces transmission but the effectiveness declines over time.
  
  But as far as Jacinda is concerned your point is well made. All of her public statements suggest that she thinks the COVID vaccine works like the MMR vaccine. Which if correct is kind of incredible. Even more incredible is that no journalists press her on this.
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:03pm
  - Fletch
    
    It significantly reduces transmission […]
    
    I don’t believe it does. In Australia, as was reported in the legal decision, Jennifer Kimber v Sapphire Coast Community Aged Care Ltd –
    
    Before turning to a consideration of these reasons, it is important to set the context with some information that is publicly available and should be uncontroversial:
    
    a. Unlike many other vaccinations such as those used to stop the spread of tetanus, yellow fever and smallpox, COVID vaccinations are not designed to stop COVID. They are designed to reduce the symptoms of the virus, however a fully vaccinated person can contract and transmit COVID.
    
    https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/decisionssigned/html/2021fwcfb6015.htm
    
    One of the directors from the CDC, Rochelle Walensky, also said in a CNN interview on Thursday, Aug. 5 – “[the vaccines] continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death – they prevent it. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.” (see video at link)
    
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/08/06/cdc_director_vaccines_no_longer_prevent_you_from_spreading_covid.html?jwsource=cl
    
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    October 3, 2021 2:13pm
    - dannz
      
      Doesn’t stop, but significantly reduces:
      “Data published by the Israeli government suggest that the Pfizer BioNTech jab’s efficacy against symptomatic infection fell from 94% to 64% after the delta variant began spreading in the country.”
      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-05/israel-sees-decline-in-pfizer-vaccine-efficacy-rate-ynet-says
      
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      October 3, 2021 2:39pm
      - Fletch
        
        I still don’t know about that. The CDC has a paper up about the cases in a town in Massachusetts that got infected… The results?
        
        In July 2021, following multiple large public events in a Barnstable County, Massachusetts, town, 469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents who had traveled to the town during July 3–17; 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated persons. Testing identified the Delta variant in 90% of specimens from 133 patients. Cycle threshold values were similar among specimens from patients who were fully vaccinated and those who were not.
        
        https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w
        
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        October 3, 2021 3:17pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “I don’t believe it does.”
      
      Well you would be wrong then. Because the data is irrefutable globally. I have posted many links before but I am sure you can do your own research.
      
      None of those quotes change anything. No the vaccines cannot “prevent” transmission. They can significantly slow it down. At least for 8 months.
      
      The vaccines are a prophylactic for us all on the way to getting COVID. Eventually. But it appears the PM does not know that or is in denial.
      
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      October 3, 2021 3:11pm
    - Liberal Cliche
      
      Amazing how the goalpost shifted from 100% safe and effective total covid cure to “Significantly reduces”
      
      They will keep shifting the goalposts everyday.
      
      I just still can’t get over the message delivered to us from vaxxers “mY MedICine WonT wORk UNtiL yOU gEt YouRs”
      
      Its so so pathetic. They aren’t even acting human anymore completely paralyzed by fear of a 99.7% survivable virus, i just can’t even…
      
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      October 3, 2021 3:20pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Good to know that “survivable” is your threshold for being vaccinated. What is your rationale for refusing mitigation from serious illness and suffering? I just can’t understand it.
        
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        October 3, 2021 6:55pm
- Simon
  
  “if we’d had 90% of the country vaccinated then we wouldn’t be here today”.
  
  As if anyone else except this nasty … [deleted] was responsible for the slow vaxx roll out.
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:13pm
- dcrane
  
  The vaccine A) reduces the chance of catching covid (maybe), B) reduces its severity so probably somewhat reduces shedding/communicability, but C) reduces symptoms. The first two will reduce the chance of spreading it, but the third could increasing the chance of infecting others by increasing the chance that the carriers go about their daily lives. I wonder how these these factors add up in the end.
  
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  October 3, 2021 3:38pm
  - Liberal Cliche
    
    This isn’t any reality lets look at some data…
    
    According to stats from Public Health Wales: Sep 24th
    
    -99% of people who tested positive for Covid in the past week were under 60 years old
    
    -63% were vaccinated
    
    -87% of COVID hospitalizations were vaccinated.
    
    https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2021-09/covid-19-wales-situational-report-24-september-2021_2.pdf
    
    And here’s the laughable headline for you
    
    “a third of positive cases are the unvaccinated” HAHAHAHAHA
    
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58680204
    
    Fake news
    
    Fake science
    
    And you people eat it up with 0 discernment.
    
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    October 3, 2021 5:26pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      So you think that being vaccinated gives you COVID?
      
      You are suffering from Simpsons Paradox.
      
      What is the rate of hospitalisations of vaccinated and unvaccinated per 1000 people? Yes I thought so.
      
      Perverting data to back your fear of vaccination is deplorable. Fortunately those of us who did First Year Statistics can spot the garbage.
      
      If you are afraid of the vaccine just say so. But stop trying to substantiate your fear by twisting data.
      
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      October 3, 2021 7:19pm
    - dcrane
      
      Without correct for age (especially) it’s impossible to know what this means. The elderly and vulnerable, who have one or more orders of magnitude more risk from covid (this is true even comparing middle-aged people with teenagers etc.), are much more likely to be vaccinated. So it can be true that the vaccine reduces their risk even while still observing a greater number of cases/deaths among them compared to the unvaxxed (read, the young).
      
      I’m not saying there couldn’t be something else going on, like antibody dependent enhancement or whatever. Just that we can’t tell.
      
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      October 3, 2021 7:46pm
- tf78
  
  Fletch, that’s the bit that really worries – why are they so desperate to push the vaccine, because it certainly is not for the sake of our health. What is in it to make it necessary that the whole world gets vaxed.
  
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  October 3, 2021 6:28pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Because it will save millions of lives and reduce serious illness?
    
    Or maybe it is a conspiracy.
    
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    October 3, 2021 7:21pm
  - Aurelia
    
    Poor Benedict he still thinks it’s about “health”
    
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    October 4, 2021 12:59am
ecco

Wow Ardern is still on a power trip putting Hamilton in that lockdown. Even the fact she decided to get out of bed on Sunday morning means she can’t think of anything else to do but hit the campaign podium. She really needs some new material.
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October 3, 2021 1:26pm
- kevn
  
  @ecco… Sad face ardern. Rooting NZ.
  
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  October 3, 2021 1:37pm
  - kowtow
    
    Very fidgety too.
    
    Scratches ; hands , shoulder , back , nose.
    
    Not the stuff I expect from the Great Communicador .
    
    But then I never bought that b/s.
    
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    October 3, 2021 2:28pm
you reap what you sow

Unbelievable that Coster by taking a compassionate approached negotiated and “allowed’ Brian Tamaki to go ahead with his protest; effectively allowed him to break the law.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/covid-19/covid-19-delta-outbreak-brian-tamakis-auckland-lockdown-protest-rally-highly-irresponsible-expert-says/
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October 3, 2021 1:33pm
Stu2

The known case numbers over the last six days have been

8
45
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19
27
33

Looks a bit like the siutation in NSW before it got away, but our vaccination level will prevent something that large
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October 3, 2021 2:07pm
- Stu2
  
  Of course there could be a burst thanks to Tamaki
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:08pm
  - RiP NZ
    
    Now do Headhunters…
    Or the illegal gangs of motorcyclists running rampant down Queen Street.
    
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    October 3, 2021 4:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  How many are false positives?
  How do they know without multiple independent tests?
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Did the paid off media give you permission to ask questions like that?
    Coster will be around for a chat soon
    
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    October 3, 2021 4:20pm
BananaLlama

Jacindas luck has run out, watch her turn nasty on New Zealanders and blame them for everything.
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October 3, 2021 2:14pm
- marcw
  
  She already is blaming the population – “if we had 90% of the country vaccinated we wouldn’t be here today.” Who is responsible for the slow vaccine rollout then? Front of the queue, LOL.
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:30pm
  - Prince
    
    Will no intrepid journalist pull her up on that bullshit.
    Why was vaccination delayed five months ?
    Why are we the worst on the OECD ?
    Does Labour take any responsibility for this ?
    
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    October 3, 2021 2:50pm
- ecco
  
  Will only blame certain parts of the population who don’t vote for her…
  
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  October 3, 2021 3:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You have not seen her off camera and no mic?
  Air NZ worker (ex neighbour) in HR tells me she is a right Karen
  
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  October 3, 2021 4:22pm
Bluegrass

Just as a personal vignette re Covid – for the past 5 months I have been living on friends’ farm in South Carolina, looking after their horses (I am a horsey person) while they have been away, and apart from supermarket runs to the nearest town 30 miles away, I was happy where I was in a little slice of Paradise.

I had prevaricated getting Covid vaxxed for various reasons, but am not an ‘anti-vaxxer’ as I had many vaxes as a kid in the ’50’s, and also vaxxes which were compulsory in order to get legal residency in some of the countries I was posted to in my work ( I still have the bruises on my right arm from decades ago when an Emirati ‘nurse’ injected me with what to my eye was a horse syringe).

So injections were routine, and it was not the injections per se.

My South Carolina friends had been vaxxed, and had suffered no ill effects [so far, hah!] other than sore arms. They said I should get vaxxed, but that it’s my choice.

My California extended family have all been vaxxed, and said I was crazy not to get vaxxed. But I thought, as a Texan, who are CA folk to talk about being crazy.

My current home state is South Dakota, which is completely free with no restrictions. Being vaxxed is not an issue. So I never bothered.

But my horsey tasks ended a few days ago, and I am now on the 2,000 mile ride back to Rapid City SD thru some states with a Covid profile. What to do?

Yesterday on my way back to SD I stopped at my usual South Carolina small town supermarket and tossed a coin. It came up tails. So I walked in to the pharmacy there and said “Can I have a Covid shot?” [gulp].

“Sure” said the pharmacist girl. I filled out the waiver form pledging my first-born if I admitted to getting a fever, and had the jab in my left arm. I also bought a 6 pack of Lagunitas IPA beer for that night, in case I got a reaction.

Well, the first nite was in a Tennessee motel and my arm was fine, so I drank 3 bottles of IPA (only small bottles, honest) in celebration.

The next nite – tonite – I’m in a motel in Kentucky, and my left arm is aching. So I consulted Dr Lagunitas. Did the trick.

Tomorrow I am on my way further West, so if there is radio silence – then the vax has got me.

Or the IPA…
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October 3, 2021 2:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear,
Professor Des Gorman leaves us in no doubt as to what he thinks of this Government’s management skills..

“they should get out of the job of running day to day complex operations”.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/10/university-of-auckland-professor-of-medicine-des-gorman-slams-government-over-handling-of-covid-19-pandemic-after-truckie-case.html
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October 3, 2021 2:23pm
- Stu2
  
  His suggestion of rapid self-testing for people crossing the border might see the odd feral crossing the border positive, but the freight industry would be more responsible.
  
  Just so long as the companies looked after the finances of positive owner drivers without income for 14 days while isolating.
  
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  October 3, 2021 2:34pm
- alex Masterley
  
  The government (through Med safe)banned by point of care testing equipment last year.
  The ban remains in place despite such kits being commonly used in the UK and in Europe.
  I suppose in a decade or so Medsafe will get around to approving something for use in NZ.
  Muppets.
  
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  October 3, 2021 5:18pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Medsafe are an unaccountable dictatorship afaics. People should be free to make their own judgements on medication except where they endanger others.
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:44pm
kowtow

Bottle. Genie. Out of.
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October 3, 2021 2:26pm
Inthe09

So if you’re in Hamilton you’ve got all afternoon to escape (hint, it won’t be 5 days).

I’m not sure it’ll make much difference, what odds all of the Nth Island is in L3 by next Sunday? You can see where this is heading.

Oh and BTW, there are 3 Air NZ departures from Hamilton this afternoon direct to Christchurch, and 3 more to Wellington (with connections to Nelson etc). A similar number to the last few days.
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October 3, 2021 2:44pm
- kowtow
  
  If we were “hard and early” and serious about eliminadion , those flights would be cancelled.
  
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  October 3, 2021 4:51pm
Nickc2

Ardern’s paid-for media (the Herald) use an author to bag Brian Tamaki about his protest yesterday and blaming attendees for the spread of Covid-19-D.
However, still not mention of Cindy’s favourite people (Maori Gangs – the marginalised people) and their lawbreaking antics at a Gang Funeral in Akld on Friday.
Come on you wankers in the MSM, this is blatent selective morality to say the least.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-ardern-says-brian-tamakis-protest-a-slap-in-the-face-to-aucklanders/THXKTKMAYUC4T7ALOKI3S2YBTA/
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October 3, 2021 2:53pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Little danger in outdoor activities in either case. The real insult is to readers’ intelligence.
  
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  October 3, 2021 9:47pm
Maggie Pie

Heading back from NW earlier, and thought to myself…. ‘I don’t think we’ve seen a single Police car around here for the last five weeks or so’.

Normally, there’d hardly be a day go by when you wouldn’t see at least 3 or 4 parked on the Loading Zone outside Brumby’s Bakery in Clonbern Rd.

Just saying.
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October 3, 2021 3:45pm
- Fletch
  
  Is kind of amusing how Jacinda said they could not enforce borders around Hamilton because there are too many roads in and out. So it will be reduced to “spot checks”
  
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  October 3, 2021 4:17pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    She’s right. Look at the map of the North Island, and you can see it’s reasonably easy to isolate Auckland because the northern and southern boundaries are in the narrowest part of the island, the Auckland isthmus.
    
    Waikato, on the other hand goes from the western coast (Raglan, Kawhia etc) to the foot of the Kaimai Ranges, and there are hundreds of country roads that would be impossible to police. So the PM is going to rely on trust and compliance; good luck with that!
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:00pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I expect many Hamiltonians took off this afternoon… probably all over the motu by now.
      
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      October 3, 2021 9:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear..

2 weeks of school holidays and nowhere for 2 million folks to go.
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October 3, 2021 4:09pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  They can bake scones and cakes and sing kumbhaya. Make dance videos and post on Cindy’s facebook page. She will be thrilled!
  
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  October 3, 2021 4:18pm
- Stu2
  
  Wanaka?
  
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  October 3, 2021 4:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  WW3 starts ….
  
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  October 3, 2021 4:25pm
NoFax

It looks like the wheels are coming off the wagon. I’ve been following the comments on FB if various news outlets. The comments are almost universally angry at the government and more and more comments are being switched off.

The PMs favorite trick of lockdowns aren’t getting the love they once did – now it’s seen as a naked power grab. The mood has changed and there is no going back so don’t be surprised that we see an erratic response from the government as it tries to respond to a non-pacified public.

As master Yoda said fear leads to anger and anger leads to hate. Well, we have a government that has lead by fear and now that’s running out so the response from the public is now anger – watch out when it’s hate.
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October 3, 2021 4:15pm
alex Masterley

Not unsurprisingly Plank, Hendy and Baker are holding forth to something called a “diversity reporter” in the herald.
Perhaps before they comment they should walk a mile in the shoes of those whose businesses, whose livelyhoods are being affected by the lockdown. Then they should get back in their boxes.
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October 3, 2021 4:24pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/126565205/police-investigating-homicide-after-man-dies-following-axe-attack-on-torohangas-main-street”
Otorohanga Mayor Max Baxter: “One thing I want to make clear is that this is not gang related. It appears the assailants were patched gang members but the incident is a consequence of an argument.”
If the assailants were patched gang members, Mr. Baxter, then surely this incident IS very much gang related. But I suppose as mayor you are shit-scared of saying the wrong thing.
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October 3, 2021 5:22pm
- Liberal Cliche
  
  They get glorified by the media
  
  Funded by the government
  
  Treated with kid gloves by timid police force.
  
  End result?
  
  Normal citizens get murdered.
  
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  October 3, 2021 6:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Most folks having an argument don’t take an axe to the argy-bargy.. let alone strike another on the head with it.
  
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  October 3, 2021 6:12pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And it seems all so very ‘Iron Age’… don’t you reckon?
    
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    October 3, 2021 6:53pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      But for colonialism it would have been stone age.
      
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      October 3, 2021 9:52pm
- kowtow
  
  NZ newspeak.
  
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  October 3, 2021 6:16pm
- Russ the Muss
  
  I think the point he was trying to make was the victim was innocent and not a gang member. It these thugs have killed a civilian. This is an unwritten rule that gangs don’t bring heat with this sort of behavior. But my sources in the cops suggest those days are over and the police no longer make an example of or pour some heat on certain groups ….. its a new world and the police r fast becoming inputant.
  
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  October 3, 2021 10:12pm
fernglas

Where I am, there is a high rate of vaccination for, I think, two reasons. The first is a fairly homogenous population with a sense of conformity arising from many years under a dictatorship. The second is a high death rate which has touched most of the population.
New Zealand has neither. You will not reach 90% without a lot more deaths, particularly in the most vulnerable communities which, ironically, are the least vaccinated.
Brace yourselves for months more of lockdowns and abrogation of freedoms. The rest of the world is over it. We are getting back to normal. New Zealand has only started to close down.
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October 3, 2021 5:54pm
- dcrane
  
  I assume we’re talking about Maori here. Maori New Zealanders are, on average, ten years younger than the median national age. Wouldn’t this weigh on the “less vulnerable” side of the scale for them?
  
  https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/maori-population-estimates-at-30-june-2020
  
  Yes, obesity goes the other way. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the age difference cancels out a fair bit of that.
  
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  October 3, 2021 7:51pm
  - fernglas
    
    Not just Maori. The Pacific community is also very vaccine hesitant, and the correlation between obesity and “social deprivation” in the general population is another indicator. Age is irrelevant. If you are 65 and obese with a variety of other illnesses, then you are more likely to die than a healthy 65 year old, regardless of ethnicity.
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:12pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

I wonder how the contents of this wonder pill will compare to Ivermectin. Why risk a jibby jab when you can take a wonder pill? My guess is that the jibby jabs are going to be a nasty hangover soon:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/how-mercks-antiviral-pill-could-change-the-game-for-covid-19
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October 3, 2021 5:54pm
- Stu2
  
  It prevents the virus form replicating, so you have to take it early. If the virus is well established you are on your own
  
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  October 3, 2021 6:40pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Five pills a day for five days. Anyone know what it will cost?
    
    If you need to take it before the virus gets a foothold they can sell a lot of pills to hypocondriac people who may not actually need it.
    
    Only 50% effective.
    
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    October 3, 2021 8:25pm
Maggie Pie

1EWES…

“Parts of the Waikato will join Auckland in a ‘5-day lockdown’ from 11:59 tonite

– Wendy Petri

Butter my butt & call me a pikelet…wot does Wenz know that we don’t?
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October 3, 2021 6:17pm
ex-golfer

Ardern has lost the country – especially the south island.
Nationwide L4 lockdown for one case – yet she says that moving down alert levels is not political when daily cases are not flattening out?
People are no seeing through her lies.
And now she decided to double down and blame us for not vaccinating quick enough. Using threats of more lockdowns to “encourage” higher vaccination.
I don’t think resorting to threats is a viable tactic when people don’t believe you any more.

And while we are at it – when is someone going to grow a set of balls and tell a certain sector of the community that they are the real problem here. Their complete lack of basic health, their obesity, their filthy homes, their crap diets – and their desire to visit hospitals instead of going to a GP.
THEY are the problem here.
Lock THEM down.
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October 3, 2021 6:41pm
- The worm that turned
  
  Agree completely. We have race based identity policies in every other field so it makes sense to enact lockdowns on similar grounds.
  
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  October 3, 2021 6:56pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Only heard about Tron as been out today. One nuse
  had vid byte where I thought she said “Ham’s & Raglan wouldn’t be where they are now if “they’d” got jabbed”. FFS, where were the jabs 9 months ago – oh forgot, not even f’ing ordered!!!!
  
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  October 3, 2021 7:54pm
WaveyDavey

This one snuck under the radar

Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard named sportswoman of the year

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/other-sports/laurel-hubbard-transgender-weightlifter-award-25124540?fbclid=IwAR1o9Eh3pqyitWRjADSji4FfV7zko08mbUPUHKCArNjsOEA6qh0zq0sKMrg
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October 3, 2021 6:46pm
- Gravelroad
  
  “University Students’ Association president Michaela Waite-Harvey described Hubbard as a ‘worthy’ winner of the award, adding: “We could think of no-one more worthy of sportswoman of the year than Laurel Hubbard who represented Otago and New Zealand incredibly well at this year’s Tokyo Olympics.’’
  Yeah right.
  Sorry Lisa Carrington, women gold medal rowers and rugby team – you just don’t make the cut for “worthiness”.
  
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  October 3, 2021 7:47pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Which of Lisa Carrington, the rowers and rugby players are attending Otago university.
    
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    October 3, 2021 8:02pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    They’d obviously never heard of Holly Robinson, the one-armed javelin thrower who won gold in the Paralympics, who studied and lives in Dunedin.
    
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    October 3, 2021 9:05pm
- Nickc2
  
  What a fucking disgrace. We’re the laughing stock of the unwoke world.
  
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  October 3, 2021 7:51pm
- Stu2
  
  Three foul lifts trumps three golds. Yep, very logical
  
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  October 3, 2021 8:33pm
surfing

This gang killing is really bad…

Simple traffic incident turns into a murder…. gangs rule the country now.

Last night, headhunters motorcyclist overtook me by driving on wrong side of road and could not get back on right side of road because there was a median barrier. I wouldn’t report them, who knows what they’d do to for revenge?

Today, I saw quite a few gang members on motorbikes, more gang members than cops.
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October 3, 2021 7:08pm
ex-golfer

I see there are now call for cash incentives to get the lazy and feckless vaccinated.
Once again, those that can’t be bothered getting off the couch get financial rewards, while those of us that have done our part get nothing but a bill as taxpayers.
I guess they’ll now complain whatever is offered is not enough.
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