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Happychappy

Honesty has not been a focus for those that pride themselves that our Government and the media set good standards, both have no problems at making Judith Collins accountable on just about every smear they throw at her but when it comes down to what I would call corrupt practice it’s never Labours doing . Take Dr Ashley Bloomfield and the punishment handed down to him over lying about who and why the UN Staff member got to New Zealand when Hospital Clinical Staff were against it, now we know Helen Clark and now Dr Ashley Bloomfield were involved and we also know Dr Ashley Bloomfield misled Parliament over this but the punishment he has received doesn’t fit the crime or expose the many that were involved.
Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister , Andrew Little our Health Minister are all donkey deep in this charade of lies and the punishment dish out is like the saying goes slapped with a wet bus ticket dispite being caught out before at least three further times and having to apologize to Parliament then.
Labour have history in deceiving Parliament , remember slavegate and Matt McCarten, which Andrew Little was involved, again slapped with a wet bus ticket and let off.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/08/dr-ashley-bloomfield-has-apologised-for-misleading-parliament-s-health-select-committee.html
Since when have blatant lies and a plan to cover up what has happen, and allowing outsiders to trump New Zealand Citizens quest to return this Country is exceptable because when many other people are waiting to return home but can’t because the system is built on ” it’s not what you are it’s who you are”,
with the Government prepared to lie and decieve for this to happen.
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August 8, 2021 8:00am
MrTips

Well, this is going to upset a lot of Americans. Buried in the monolith that is Joe Bidens infrastructure cockup, is a provision to investigate charging drivers for every mile they complete. A toll tax for driving. Presumably Biden will want to tax EVs as well.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/736114/?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=usa

How long before Robbo and Cindy get the same idea for here?
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August 8, 2021 8:02am
- SoloView
  
  “A toll tax for driving”
  
  In NZ it’s called RUC (Road user charges).
  
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  August 8, 2021 12:35pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s called a petrol or diesel excise tax.
  
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  August 8, 2021 12:40pm
  - MrTips
    
    Yes, but we only pay it on diesel. Americans are being lined up for it on all fuels. And EVs paying it?
    
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    August 8, 2021 4:11pm
- Matt Long
  
  As soon as ICE importation is illegal, tax on EVs will start.
  
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  August 8, 2021 12:49pm
- Nickc2
  
  Don’t worry MrTips, Cindy and Robbo are already onto it. Trouble is, these EVs aren’t going far enough before there’s a fire. //sarc
  Seriously, no polly in their right mind could resist the temptation to introduce EVs to a Road User Charge and an additional charge on electricity for plugged-in EVs. How else are we going to finance roads, upkeep and vanity projects like Mallard’s Play Ground etc?
  Of course, if questioned they will deny any such intentions but we all know what liars they are!
  And please don’t forget local Mayors (like Phil Goff) will also want to clip the ticket and include an extra tax on electricity to pay for his vanity projects and to pay off his Council’s debt just like his 10c per litre of fuel charge in Akld.
  Of course, if questioned they will deny everything but we all know what liars they are!
  
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  August 8, 2021 1:05pm
Tomtoddy

Tomorrow the first stage of the IPCC’s AR6 report on the climate will be released. It is seven years since the last one. Already there is breathless, excitement at how much more extravagant the language can be and who can produce the most newsworthy quote to get their name up in lights. Predictions on what will be announced are being carried by major publications and of course they are all negative and frightening.

There is one annoying fly in their ointment. Todays average global temperature according to Hadcrut5 is exactly the same as it was seven years ago when AR5 was released.
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August 8, 2021 8:04am
- G152
  
  And blaming ‘global warming’ for the current fire season in Europe is , as usual, a load of old cobblers.
  They have fires every year and no-one bothers with removing trees from around towns and creating large enough fire breaks to be workable.
  They are victims of their own ineptitude
  
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  August 8, 2021 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The other flies in the ointment are:
  * all the climate Change models run too hot
  
  *all the scenarios are implausible
  
  https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/un-climate-panel-confronts-implausibly-hot-forecasts-future-warming
  
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  August 8, 2021 8:40am
  - cmm
    
    Maggy, we know all the current models are implausible but surely if we just take the average of all of them we’ll be pretty close to right. Right?
    
    I mean how is it possible that all the scientists are that far off?
    
    Clearly they all agree otherwise we’d be reading about them on stuff.
    
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    August 8, 2021 10:47am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You mean let’s just average a lot of bad models?
      
      – a bit like mixing a bunch of bad vaccines and taking
      a vial of the mix….
      
      I know you’re jesting…
      
      Every scientist knows that if your model doesn’t fit the collected data, then you throw out the model/or revamp the model to take into account some wrong assumptions, or missing variables.
      
      You don’t persist with crappy models…. they are useful only up to the point that they are telling you that you have not understood your system very well.
      
      The best thing the IPCC could do is discard all the models with the exception of the one that seems to run the least hot and try refining that model.
      
      And for years the IPCC has known that it is only the Russian Climate model – now running as INM-CM5-
      that has any semblance to reality.
      
      It’s high time that the scientific community come clean about longstanding climate shenanigans. Averaging up a large number of models that don’t work well is guaranteed to produce an unreliable forecast. Using ones that get things right, like the two Russian models, is accepted best‐practice in weather forecasting.
      
      https://www.cato.org/commentary/are-climate-models-overpredicting-global-warming
      
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      August 8, 2021 11:03am
      - cmm
        
        But Maggy, those are the only models we have.
        Sure, they aren’t perfect but nothing is.
        At least they’re trying and doing something and that has got to be better than doing nothing.
        
        More seriously, science is heavily politicised with many vested interests. This is nothing new, but has certainly got worse over the years. You won’t get a job in academia or NIWA or such if you ask embarrassing questions.
        
        No doubt the same applies in sociology and MoH, MoE etc too. Asking embarrassing questions, eg. challenging the colonialism narrative, or point out inconsistencies are career limiting.
        
        The same applies in the press too. Asking probing questions would get you stripped of the science reporter or crime reporter or whatever role pretty quickly.
        
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        August 8, 2021 11:24am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        The multi-billion dollar climate models are worse at global temperature prediction than single equations with a couple of parameters fitted to historical data. They are nothing more than technological sophistry.
        
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        August 8, 2021 1:18pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        All models are bad. Some models are useful.
        
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        August 8, 2021 4:30pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The average of nonsense remains at nonsense.
      
      Would you build a model with 300km grid points?
      
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      August 8, 2021 12:41pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Their Third Assessment Report said they could not make any predictions.
  The climate was mathematically a chaotic system.
  
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  August 8, 2021 8:46am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Hence the Chaos Theory.
    Now it appears the Gulf Stream is weakening which is cyclical and between Moon “Wobbles” no wonder we are doomed//
    
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    August 8, 2021 4:44pm
- Tony
  
  I used to think AGW was probably true but greatly exaggerated by those wanting to whip up public anxiety about it.
  
  I still think that is the case to an extent.
  
  But I had an “aha” moment when we went to Mount Cook and went out on the glacial lake to see the Tasman glacier.
  
  The incredibly vast amount of ice that has disappeared since 1970 is truly staggering. There are crumbling rock walls on either side about 150 metres high stretching back for several kilometres where the glacier used to reach, with the lake probably a kilometre or more across. People I know who have seen some of the other glaciers report similar experiences.
  
  According to our guide some of the ice loss was due to natural warming since the last ice age 16000 years ago, and some due to recent AGW.
  
  It was immediately obvious to me that if the ice had been disappearing at that rate since the last ice age then the glacier would have vanished thousands of years ago.
  
  So, to me, there is no doubt that warming has been happening at an increasing rate over recent history.
  
  It is at least a coinicidence that this has occurred in association with increasing carbon emissions. It is a matter of scientific debate as to whether human activity is a cause of the warming or just coincidental to it. But I have no doubt that it is happening.
  
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  August 8, 2021 9:21am
  - Tony
    
    Actually, here is the dimensions of the Tasman lake as at 2008: 7km long and 2km across.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasman_Lake
    
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    August 8, 2021 9:44am
    - WebWrat
      
      Tony you’ve been sucked in by the Gorebal Warming bullshiters!
      
      Go to Google Earth and look at the east side of the terminal lake. You will see where a big slip came off the mountain and blocked the Murchison River and directed it into the lake. This happened in the early ’90’s and with the warmer water has rapidly melted the ice and doubled the size of the lake.
      
      I used to say to the DOC guys that they should get a digger up there for a few days and put the river back on course behind the lateral moraine so it wouldn’t melt the glacier.
      
      Nature had to take it’s course was the answer!
      
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      August 9, 2021 8:45am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    glacier accumulation or melt in temperate regions is primarily a function of rainfall patterns over preceding decades – which are only weakly linked to global warming or cooling.
    
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    August 8, 2021 1:20pm
  - Liberty
    
    If you go to Nelson Lakes National park.
    You will find the Glaciers have also melted.
    Quite a lot.
    All very normal.
    
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    August 8, 2021 1:49pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Tony, All NZ High country has in some point in time been “Carved” by Glaciers, Even Mt Egmont ( Taranaki).
    If you want to take that argument then look no further than Antarctica and fossilised trees etc.
    The reality the Earth has been changing Climates for Millenia, Ask yourself this? Why would you build castles in UK during 12-1300’s because sure as shit they are bloody cold now.
    
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    August 8, 2021 4:49pm
- RockyJ
  
  Yup. Here is Roy Spencer’s data on global warming since 1979. We are now in a cooling phase. https://i1.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/UAH_LT_1979_thru_July_2021_v6-550×317-1.jpg?resize=600%2C600
  
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  August 8, 2021 9:54am
- I remember when
  
  Temperatures the same as seven years ago.
  There has been a lot of hot air released into the atmosphere during that period.
  Well at least the funding is running hot.
  
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  August 8, 2021 10:07am
andrew davies

Does anyone know how many medals Aotearoa has won?
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August 8, 2021 8:04am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Zero, but New Zealand won quite a few.
  
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  August 8, 2021 12:25pm
  - pdm
    
    Well said Capt.
    
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    August 8, 2021 12:40pm
Captain Mainwaring

So even the Greenies are sensible enough to not replace the relatively moderate James Shaw with the raving leftie lunatic James Cockle.
But a part of me is disappointed that Cockle didn’t win, because that would have ensured that the Wadestown wives would have deserted the Green party, leaving them with about 2% of the vote.
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August 8, 2021 8:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So the Green Party will continue as “Labour’s little helper”.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/446311/green-party-leadership-challenge-james-shaw-vs-james-cockle
  
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  August 8, 2021 8:48am
  - Okahu
    
    Yes, we seem to have settled on that relationship of junior senior party between the Greens and Labour though a true coalition government with both in cabinet will reveal the actual dynamics.
    
    Similarly interesting is the developing of the National Act relationship. Will we be asking after the next election how long the Nats will hang together as Seymour’s simpering sidekicks?
    
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    August 8, 2021 2:22pm
- pdm
  
  I reckon that guy could have got the Greens down below 3% if they had elected him.
  
  What a shame.
  
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  August 8, 2021 9:48am
- DeepBlue
  
  There is always next year. DdLrop the X/Y policy as discrimination and then Shaw will be unwanted.
  
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  August 8, 2021 10:10am
- cmm
  
  All Green is now is a way to vote Labour without mucking it with the people in white gumboots.
  
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  August 8, 2021 10:49am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think the Green Party is now just a Carbon-copy of the Maori Party.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/08/marama-davidson-s-full-green-party-agm-speech.html
    
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    August 8, 2021 11:07am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Nicely pun, Maggie!
      
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      August 8, 2021 3:48pm
- Jack5
  
  We would have had t fun with his surname if Cockle had miraculously taken over the Groans.
  
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  August 8, 2021 1:29pm
oldfella

A little bit of light relief – Powerlines ‘The Week In Pictures…
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/08/the-week-in-pictures-delta-variant-edition.php
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August 8, 2021 8:10am
- curry4me
  
  oldfella: Thanks for those. Please keep them coming.
  
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  August 8, 2021 6:41pm
oldfella

Sharon Murdoch does another hit piece on Judith Collins in today’s stuffed cartoon(?).
I see her bio says:
Sharon Murdoch has worked as a “pooper-scooper” at dog shows; spent seasons hay-baling, steam-cleaning railway wagons, and did one memorable stint in bottling factory where she got herself stuck in a conveyor belt.
Perhaps not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but then that’s maybe why she has her current gig.
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August 8, 2021 8:15am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sharon Murdoch is in the running for the world’s worst cartoonist.
  She can’t even draw.
  
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  August 8, 2021 12:26pm
  - Jack5
    
    Murdoch’s Far Left, and pushing her views forwards says a lot about Stuff.
    
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    August 8, 2021 1:27pm
  - 3-coil
    
    Exactly Captain – that’s a piss poor cartoon of Megan Woods skiing down the mountain. Shazza Murdoch should have put a couple of pies in Meg’s hand (and one stuffed in her mouth) to make it more obvious who she was attempting to draw.
    
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    August 8, 2021 2:08pm
Nickc2

Everything you wanted to know about the He Puapua Report/Plan but were afraid to ask.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4Mila5TF_4
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August 8, 2021 8:16am
Brian McDonald

John Key says NZ has to get more creative with MIQ facilities in part to ensure a higher-skilled workforce. I agree.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sir-john-key-on-covid-miq-vaccine-failures-national-party-60th-birthday/6V5FL35S2DHOD42NZDEWXOEB6Y/
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August 8, 2021 8:26am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What? Brian agrees with John Key. Has he turned the corner?
  
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  August 8, 2021 8:32am
  - pdm
    
    I still down ticked- he probably has an ulterior motive.
    
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    August 8, 2021 9:50am
    - curry4me
      
      pdm: And, I don’t engage with any trolls.
      
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      August 8, 2021 6:44pm
  - sooty
    
    If true, he’s getting better! But along way to go.
    
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    August 8, 2021 11:30am
- beadgame
  
  MIQ has been highly effective based on absence of covid from the community and at minimal cost to the overall economy.
  If MIQ is expanded, risk goes up significantly.
  If vaccinated are allowed in without MIQ as Key proposes, then risk goes up significantly. We are not there yet.
  
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  August 8, 2021 8:55am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Bollocks!
    If MIQ is expanded using common sense. The risk remains the same
    How on earth can you believe that risk will go up significantly???
    
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    August 8, 2021 4:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How long before this sort of shit starts up in NZ? You know it is coming if the socialists win the next election.
https://redrightvideos.com/school-district-begins-holocaust-style-policy-for-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-staff/
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August 8, 2021 8:42am
oldfella

Best laugh of the weekend courtesy of stuffed,
Like you, we want the best for Aotearoa and everyone who lives in it. We’re Kiwis who believe in democracy and equality, and we know that those things depend on a free and non-partisan press.
Oh, my aching ribs. 😉
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August 8, 2021 8:43am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Downticked for use of A…a.
  
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  August 8, 2021 12:46pm
  - Local Miller
    
    That’s hardly fair, it was in a quotation.
    
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    August 8, 2021 1:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If the CEO of Pfizer is not vaccinated, why should I be?
https://threepercenternation.com/2021/08/07/the-ceo-of-pfizer-exposed-himself-a-total-hypocrite/
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August 8, 2021 8:45am
- MCos
  
  Albert Bourla, CEO of Pfizer, had his second jab on 11-March
  https://twitter.com/albertbourla/status/1369734954498818052?s=21
  
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  August 8, 2021 9:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Banned from Israel for not having the second vax, only took it after being exposed. Hypocrite.
    Btw, fact checkers only came along when the truth was coming out, never had them before other than shit like Snopes
    
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    August 8, 2021 12:38pm
- beadgame
  
  You are an idiot if you believe the garbage you read on the blog links you have been posting.
  https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/scicheck-pfizer-ceo-got-the-covid-19-vaccine/
  David should do a better job of screening these idiot posts, or does he like having this garbage on his blog??
  
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  August 8, 2021 9:03am
- Northshoredoc
  
  Stop promulgating lies Steve.
  
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  August 8, 2021 9:47am
- Simon
  
  lol – down ticked by zero covid nutters.
  
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  August 8, 2021 10:15am
greybeard

So Goodfellow is still there.
There had better be no more leaks or controversies between now and the election.
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August 8, 2021 8:48am
- slightlyrighty
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125999297/points-of-order-are-you-jacked-off-national-party-mp-chris-luxon-reckons-you-might-be
  
  Not if we keep seeing headlines like this…..
  
  How can a potential leader get in touch with the average voter with clangers like this!!!!
  
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  August 8, 2021 8:54am
- mister nui
  
  Idiots.
  
  Guarantees another 3 years in the wilderness for national.
  
  But not to worry the sycophantic Tony Stuart will be here directly to tell us all how energised and ebullient everyone at the conference was.
  
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  August 8, 2021 9:19am
- pdm
  
  Inv – what the hell is going on?
  
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  August 8, 2021 9:51am
- Tricati
  
  There’s a saying that ‘the team that leads a business into trouble, can never lead it out’, and retaining Goddfellow is going to reflect badly on National. He maybe good at raising funds, but in terms of directing the party his decision making is questionable; particularly around MP selection.
  
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  August 8, 2021 10:08am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Goodfellow is not involved in candidate selection.
    National are much more respectful of the people than Labour.
    
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    August 8, 2021 12:50pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If he is good at raising funds, he appears to be piss-poor at seeing that the funds are put to good use.
    
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    August 8, 2021 5:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and David Carter has resigned from the Board…
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/448736/national-party-president-peter-goodfellow-re-elected
  
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  August 8, 2021 10:10am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Read my comment here on GD from about 2 months ago…
    
    “My partner’s mum knows Peter and Desley, she said Peter would not step down from the Presidency for as long as his arse points bakwards”
    
    Nuff said 😀
    
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    August 8, 2021 10:26am
    - sooty
      
      National are really, really not trying to gain the reins of power, are they! Must be happy to warm the seats of the oppersition.
      
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      August 8, 2021 11:35am
      - Paulus
        
        sooty
        not even if you cannot spell “opposition”
        
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        August 8, 2021 1:48pm
    - jv
      
      The Auckland Party
      
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      August 8, 2021 12:47pm
    - Jack5
      
      ? Disastrous.
      
      If ACT isn’t able to step up, we need a new political party pronto.
      
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      August 8, 2021 1:25pm
      - curry4me
        
        Jack5: Yes, it’s a pity the New Conservatives are in the doldrums at the moment.
        
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        August 8, 2021 6:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The truth coming out? Election fraud map. Lefties, move to the basement or get triggered.
https://patriotunitednews.com/the-truth-is-finally-coming-out-and-patriots-are-standing-back-and-standing-by/?
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August 8, 2021 8:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden’s body count – need more body bags.
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/red-alert-tx-congressman-blows-the-whistle-on-biden-harris-death-count/
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August 8, 2021 8:55am
- MCos
  
  Patriot Chronicles, Patriot United News, Three Percent Nation
  You certainly look at some fringe media Steve.
  
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  August 8, 2021 9:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Beats the shit out of CNN, MSNBC, The Atlantic, Washington Post, NY Times.
    All on your favourites on your TV remote?
    
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    August 8, 2021 2:05pm
    - curry4me
      
      Steve Otto(North Shore) And doesn’t take a dime from the CCPs official news organs.
      
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      August 8, 2021 6:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

” A guy looked at my Harley and said I wonder how many people could have been fed for the money that motorcycle cost. I replied I am not sure, it fed a lot of families in Milwaukee Wisconsin who built it, it fed the people who make the tires, it fed the people who made the components that went into it, it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the wires, it fed people in Decatur Il. at Caterpillar who make the trucks that haul the copper ore, I guess I really don’t know how many people it fed. That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When you buy something you put money in peoples pockets and give them dignity for their skills. When you give someone something for nothing , you rob them of their dignity and self worth. Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of value, Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving something down your throat that you never asked for.”
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August 8, 2021 9:08am
- cmm
  
  So that’s why we’re giving the Mob a few million…. they’re going to buy Harleys and fix the economy.
  
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  August 8, 2021 10:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Crafty Jaspinda. Confiscate gang crime money, give it back to them, then they buy Harleys. This is how you stimulate the economy //
    
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    August 8, 2021 2:07pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    All those nice people in Decatur, Illinois
    
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    August 8, 2021 3:50pm
oldfella

Just came across this great quote on another site.
Carl Sagan said “science is not a body of knowledge, it is the skeptical interrogation of the universe.”
So when stuffed says that the science is settled on climate change, they have stopped asking questions not only of the universe, but anyone who is still doing so and come up with theories that don’t fit stuffed’s pre-determined narrative.
If Sagan was still alive, I wonder what he would have said about Maori science? Probably nothing that stuffed would want to publish.
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August 8, 2021 9:13am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “Science is settled” is another way of saying that religion is in.
  
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  August 8, 2021 3:52pm
Than

When I took my pre-flight COVID test in the US before returning to NZ it was free, and self-administered at a drive-through window at a pharmacy. The guy hands you the kit, watches you stick the swab up your own nose, seal in the provided bag, and drop the bag in the slot. Results emailed back within 48 hours. Simple, convenient, and painless.

Exact same test in New Zealand. The appointment is $200 (and $20 due if you cancel). Test administered by a nurse, who (if they’re like the ones in MIQ) seem to feel its necessary to ram the swab painfully into your skull. And then you have to physically come back to collect a printed result. Just ridiculous.
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August 8, 2021 9:14am
- MCos
  
  I had a covid test because I wasn’t feeling well and received the results by text the next morning.
  I’d heard it was uncomfortable, but compared to too much wasabi on a sushi it was nothing.
  No money changed hands.
  I expect your particular test was a requirement to travel out of the country for your own benefit.
  Too right you should pay for it.
  
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  August 8, 2021 12:52pm
  - Than
    
    I traveled to New Zealand for this country’s benefit, thank you very much (with the COVID test for free). I’m traveling back to the US simply to be able to return to my life, my apartment, and my friends.
    
    So, no, sorry – demanding that I pay for it is just a dick move.
    
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    August 8, 2021 1:30pm
    - MCos
      
      In that case whoever benefits from your presence here should pay, I’d have thought.
      
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      August 8, 2021 2:46pm
      - Than
        
        Sure. So in the case of general COVID testing to prevent wider transmission (and in particular international transmission), isn’t that the overall community?
        
        So in this case, the USA has done their part to be a good international citizen, and provided a free test for the USA to NZ leg of the journey. But NZ is failing to play its part for the return trip.
        
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        August 8, 2021 3:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You really are a socialist leftie aren’t you? The employer should pay?
        Just like the employer pays for me to pass a welding ticket? He does not have to – just employ a person who has one. I pay for my own, and if I move on, it is MINE!
        Hard to fathom the demands of the left – someone else’s money
        
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        August 8, 2021 4:02pm
      - MCos
        
        When I travelled offshore on work related business it was quite normal for the company to pay travel expenses.
        If I came home for a holiday I paid.
        Some people have periodical flights home plus expenses as part of their salary package.
        
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        August 8, 2021 4:54pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Guys going back to work are having 2 here in NZ, 570$ later.
  
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  August 8, 2021 4:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Good article by Damien Grant on Business folks who are agents of the political and cultural elite:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300375752/the-scourge-of-the-celebrity-ceo
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August 8, 2021 9:15am
- Harriet
  
  More like the rise of the professional socialist!
  
  The institute and it’s members are about self importance, as it talks about ‘stakeholders’ as wider society and the ‘concerns’ of them that directors are now looking at addressing, but it is shareholders and employees who are also wider society and who benefit wider society from their effort, remuneration and investment.
  
  ‘Overtime rates’, pay rises, training costs etc. have been replaced by WFF and childcare rebates etc. for a large amount of the workforce; directors now like to be seen paying tax instead of higher pay rates and for the benefit of those NOT associated with their shareholders and employees. Pure socialism in outlook.
  
  NZ is going to be making cigars instead of smoking them. 😎
  
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  August 8, 2021 11:40am
- Jack5
  
  Damien Grant’s article is excellent. I’m surprised it got into Stuff.
  
  There are, have been, and always be business rorts, and, as Grant points out, we have Everett, the chief executive of the Financial Markets Authority rabbiting on about stakeholder capitalism. Focus on the crooks, Mr Everett.
  
  It’s parallel to Leftist-Wokie pressure for board memberships to reflect population composition on a sort of MMP basis, rather than be based on ownership, and, in the case of independents, on business experience, business success, and business wisdom.
  
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  August 8, 2021 1:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m surprised it got into Stuff.
    
    Now and again Stuff has some rather long, well-written opinion pieces.
    I suspect the writing goes over the head of the gate-keepers.
    
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    August 8, 2021 2:23pm
- chukar
  
  It’s about redistribution of personal and private property.As the boundaries are blurred by these celebrities ,shareholders, “Mum and Dad” investors and others lose their rights over their own property.
  Burying the computer in the garden is not the same as burying gold .
  
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  August 8, 2021 9:09pm
Ruahine

SteveO.
That will not and never be in the NCEA Economics cirriculum.
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August 8, 2021 9:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Exactly. Socialists learn how the economy works? Heaven forbid
  
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  August 8, 2021 2:09pm
  - tf78
    
    Steve, if they did they wouldn’t be socialists.
    
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    August 8, 2021 6:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t understand why you only have 2 upticks. Today the schoolteachers must be lurking here
  
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  August 8, 2021 2:10pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Yep chaps, you would have to be silly not to get the jibby jab, just look at all these fellas having a whale of a time on a cruise, oh and by the way, all passengers and staff jabbed, over the top, and all that chaps, get the boosters eh what DPF?

https://twitter.com/LionInWinter44/status/1423686355884838922
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August 8, 2021 9:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Like the comments – should have vaccinated the boat
  
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  August 8, 2021 2:12pm
The Boss

I never thought the Springboks had a chance against the Lions, after having played almost no rugby since the world cup. Yet, they managed to beat them, something the All Blacks failed to do. Congratulations to them.
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August 8, 2021 9:29am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/s0-YRUmy3MU/

Asian Scholar Crushes CRT.

Kenny Xu Has written a book that makes a good case against CRT. Asians are the main competition for liberal whites when it comes to getting into ‘Ivy league’ colleges. [17:33.]
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August 8, 2021 9:32am
curry4me

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/people-dirtbag-mitch-mcconnell-threatens-defy-trump-pick-candidate-run-herschel-walker-ga-senate-race/

RINOs v Trumpers.
Mitch McConnell threatened to defy Trump and pick his own candidate to run against Herschel Walker in the Georgia Senate primary race in 2022 against Marxist Democrat Raphael Warnock.
Shouldn’t he be more focused on challenging the Democrats’ latest trillion-dollar infrastructure garbage dump?
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August 8, 2021 9:32am
surfing

https://unherd.com/2021/08/america-is-turning-into-the-soviet-union/

Equity is similarly a zero-sum game: someone has to lose, and if one group is feted, in some cases even sacrilised, then others have to suffer, whether with tangible matters like college places or simply status and prestige.

It is interesting how NZ has simply adopted other peoples ideas. You could almost completely substitute America with New Zealand in this article. Except we chose to sacrilise the Maori.
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August 8, 2021 9:54am
I remember when

“Waste Warriors let loose on litter.”
Brothers Brendon,5, Caleb, 7, and Anthony, 8, collect litter at least two days a week.
Driven by the adverse effects litter has on wildlife they don’t want birds or sea life to die from consuming litter.
Brendon said he enjoyed everything about picking up rubbish.
Once he found a string of plastic. He was not happy.
“A bird could have eaten it and it would have died.”
Brendon said if he saw someone throwing rubbish out of their car window, he would tell the ‘litter critter’ to go pick it up.
The trio were awarded the ‘Keep New Zealand Beautiful, Tidy Kiwi Volunteers of the Month Award.’
Recreational Services donated them cleaning gear to help in their quest.
(Does anyone else feel slightly conflicted by this article.)
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August 8, 2021 9:56am
I remember when

“Lightning kills 17 in Bangladesh:” BBC/Reuters:
A lightning strike killed 17 people from a wedding party, as they stepped off a boat on the Padma River, in NW Bangladesh.
Lightning strike frequency is blamed on deforestation of trees that could draw the deadly bolts away from people.
Bangladesh is planting hundreds of thousands of palm trees to act as organic lightning rods.
(Now all they will have to do is teach them not to stand under the trees when there is rain and thunder.)
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August 8, 2021 10:04am
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…..

Rumors leaking out of Palmerston North that UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres was spotted holidaying there last January, have been strenuously denied by Immigration NZ.

When approached for comment, PM Jacinda Ardern told reporters…. “she had no idea”, and referred any further enquiries to ex UNDP Administrator Helen Clark.

At time of writing, Ms Clark has still not returned our calls.

(The Horrid)
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August 8, 2021 10:07am
- Tarquin North
  
  Sounds dodgy to me, a U.N mandarin could probably holiday anywhere he wants at the poor people’s expense. Why would he want to go to Palmerston North?
  
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  August 8, 2021 10:43am
  - Jack5
    
    Massey University! That’s why, Tarquin North.
    
    Guterres would have been paying homage at the Woke Shrine.
    
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    August 8, 2021 12:55pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Probably thought he was going to New Plymouth. Easy mistake to make.
    
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    August 8, 2021 3:55pm
- bennerg
  
  Holidaying in Palmerston North? Queenstown maybe …. I thought John Cleese put a stop to that.
  
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  August 8, 2021 10:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  PM says ‘I know nothing, NOTHING!’
  Did she have dinner with him? so as to boost UN chances?
  I know nothing, NOTHING!!
  
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  August 8, 2021 4:08pm
- tf78
  
  Maggie, Cindy doesn’t seem to know much at all about anything.
  
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  August 8, 2021 6:55pm
artemisia

Hamilton accommodation probs, looks like mostly due to astonishing numbers used for emergency housing –

“They say 65 per cent of our accommodation is tied up with MIQ [managed isolation and quarantine] and emergency housing, so there is a demand for Airbnbs in Hamilton,” he [Hamilton real estate agent Warren Pledger] said.

Ministry of Social Development material supplied to Stuff under the Official Information Act reveal 66 Hamilton motels, lodges and hotels were used to provide emergency housing between January 1 and March 31 this year.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/housing-affordability/125921740/welcome-to-hotel-hamilton–investors-pile-into-airbnbs-as-govt-fills-motels
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August 8, 2021 10:12am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hypocritical left sure changed their tune.
https://rumble.com/vkt30t-flashback-this-is-what-dems-thought-about-the-vaccine-under-trump.html?
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August 8, 2021 10:22am
kevn

@Maggie… Private jets going hither and thither in Queenstown for the last 12 months.
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August 8, 2021 10:23am
I remember when

“If men had to wear them (bikini bottoms in athletics) their use would soon end.”
Does this belief, obviously one many female groups hold, simply confirm the gulf in gender perceptions.
A quick glance at male athletic attire suggests that modesty is not their primary aim.
Is this just a problem that is so historical, probably enforced by the early church’s influence, that it is one for the ‘too hard’ basket.
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August 8, 2021 10:30am
Maggy Wassilieff

Harry Tam’s ex-Wife states the bleeding obvious:

Mildon says Tam going for the Government funding is “a conflict of interest” because he’s still a member of the Mongrel Mob and has a history of abuse.

“Not all Mongrel Mob men beat their women and not all are on drugs. I understand that,” Mildon says. “But some still do it and Harry has normalised this lifestyle of drugs, and abuse to his victims.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/08/harry-tam-s-ex-on-alleged-abuse-intimidation-and-how-mongrel-mob-linked-rehab-funding-is-conflict-of-interest.html
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August 8, 2021 10:31am
- Nickc2
  
  Will Cindy revoke the funding? I don’t think so.
  IMO she’s already indebted to the Mongrel Mob. They have been pushing for votes towards her mob.
  
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  August 8, 2021 10:37am
  - Prince
    
    It wasn’t her fault:
    – Police and MBIE made her do it.
    – It was National’s fault.
    – She had to do something. This was something. She had to do it.
    – Have you seen Neve’s latest finger painting ?
    – It’s only $2.75M. What’s all the fuss about ?
    
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    August 8, 2021 1:57pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Stupid me Prince. I should have realised that.
      
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      August 8, 2021 2:51pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Buy the way, I am having a wedding, and Daddy is coming – just gotta organise Cindy1 and the boat thing Wellington, how ’bout that?
      
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      August 8, 2021 4:16pm
- cmm
  
  “Not all” is a way of saying that a very high number do.
  
  Nobody says “not all Rotarians beat their women”..
  
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  August 8, 2021 11:08am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well thank Goodness Marama Davidson is chatting with Gang women because it seems they have the solution to stop females getting the bash.
    
    And that includes meeting with women associated with gangs and I will never ever
    apologise for going to where the solutions are.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/08/marama-davidson-s-full-green-party-agm-speech.html
    
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    August 8, 2021 11:26am
- emmess
  
  Alright, mostly peaceful domestic violence
  That’s okay then
  
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  August 8, 2021 12:08pm
Andrew Worth

$15 billion for a harbour tunnel, that’s just a reflection of the waste in anything the government puts it’s paws on.
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August 8, 2021 10:47am
- surfing
  
  Iceland built a 8km tunnel through a whopping big mountain for 90 million USD.
  
  I’d like to see media do some work and figure out whether contractors are rorting the government. Our roads should be paved with gold …. given productivity improvements you’d think road costs should fall, not increase.
  
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  August 8, 2021 10:57am
  - kevn
    
    @surfing… Get the engineers and contractors from Iceland to NZ. Check our tunnel/bridge site out, offer ideas.
    Put the gummint ‘we know best’ attitude out the window.
    
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    August 8, 2021 1:46pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Perhaps the Icelandic tunnellers do not spend 50k on concrete planters.
      
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      August 8, 2021 3:01pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Link please. I’d like to believe it’s true, and recent, but I come from New Zealand and you would seem to be missing one or two noughts.
    
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    August 8, 2021 3:58pm
- Nickc2
  
  I Disagree Andrew. IMO we desperately need a tunnel but it must be forward-thinking enough to cater for rail. (1 track each way) road, (at least 4 lanes each way) and possibly a cyclist facility.
  Of course, if you live outside Akld Andrew you won’t see the necessity.
  The Harbour Bridge is fast approaching its use-by-date.
  
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  August 8, 2021 10:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They can scrap it for all I care. I very rarely use it, and it isolates ‘the other side’
    
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    August 8, 2021 2:17pm
    - Nickc2
      
      You just reminded me Steve, those from the other side will be somewhat reluctant to steal EVs without knowing how much electricity is in them.
      Heaps of stolen EVs abandoned on the Harbour Bridge eh? Traffic held up while EVs are towed away?
      
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      August 8, 2021 2:34pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yah, and while they are being towed it will recharge the batteries, bit like when electric trains go downhill and feed back into the grid //
        
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        August 8, 2021 3:16pm
  - Andrew Worth
    
    Wtf?? Pointing out that the construction cost reflects ridiculous inefficiencies is not an argument that it’s not needed, it’s an argument that wastefulness and inefficiencies in the system that’s responsible for the construction need to be eliminated.
    
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    August 8, 2021 3:03pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Why is there this mindset in Labour that the more something costs, the better it is?
  Even if it doesn’t work.
  
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  August 8, 2021 11:10am
  - rangitoto
    
    They have always measured success by how much they spend. Not by what they achieve.
    
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    August 8, 2021 11:28am
  - sooty
    
    A tunnel is just a big hole to pour money into!
    Angry Little proved that!
    
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    August 8, 2021 11:43am
  - Harriet
    
    $15,000,000,000.00 is a lot of infrastructure for a small two island nation. That’s $500 million in each of 30 cities or towns outside of Auckland!
    
    The tunnel isn’t value for money as councils could upgrade infrastructure for further housing, business, recreation, education, healthcare…. where immigrants would then move to…….and if COUPLES EACH HAVE the right skills…. nursing, teaching, building….. and including English.
    
    Auckland isn’t the main thing that sells NZ, and property speculation isn’t an occupation on any category list to get residence or citizenship; bring needed skills and then you get to speculate.
    
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    August 8, 2021 12:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It’s the leftist way
    
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    August 8, 2021 2:18pm
  - tf78
    
    Captain, it’s because they don’t know the value of a dollar as they’ve never done an honest days work in their lives.
    
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    August 8, 2021 7:01pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Cheaper to knock the existing bridge down and start again.
  
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  August 8, 2021 12:26pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    How would Auckland function during the 10 year construction phase?
    What a clown.
    
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    August 8, 2021 12:56pm
    - Harriet
      
      Could be done by building on both sides of the existing one and then demolish the old one — and eventually build a very wide cycle line with a poser cafe in the middle. Cyclists can’t complin as cars will be electric by then. 😎
      
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      August 8, 2021 3:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    As long as they leave the cycle bridge //
    
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    August 8, 2021 2:19pm
cmm

For an interesting insight into a criminal’s mind I strongly recommend the documentary Shiny Flakes (available on Netflix).

Teen in Leipzig sets up an online drug trading business and trades for over a year making millions before he is arrested. He is assessed as being immature, so is treated as a juvenile.

I say a criminal’s mind because they are clearly not all wired the same. Most are low intelligence, but this bloke isn’t.He’s massively arrogant and shows zero remorse for any actions.

It is also interesting to see how the cops think he is going to re-offend while the very woke corrections people think it was a once-off.
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August 8, 2021 11:03am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Did he get to keep the money? If not, it’s hard to see him going back to the dole.
  
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  August 8, 2021 4:00pm
lazza

Auckland Council’s “Henderson Blue Intersection Insanity” … costs:

The whole project cost over $500,000!

But it was the landscaping costs that caught my eye.

These are costs that would be familiar to the average Kiwi DIY landscaper for their own properties.

Here are the AC’s costs of doing some basic stuff:

“Wooden pot plant holders also cost $18,128, concrete pipe planters $51,557, bollards $17,000 and decking $31,610”.

Now does that not seem outrageous?

Why do Council projects cost this much?

Think … rip offs-cosy deals … back-handers- corruption … bureaucracy ….

ALL OF THE ABOVE !
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August 8, 2021 11:03am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I assume it’s because they have costed staff time into the project. A one hour meeting with 8 Council staff attending – that’s a grand, easy. Plus biscuits.
  
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  August 8, 2021 4:02pm
  - Nickc2
    
    and a loooooong lunch.
    
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    August 8, 2021 7:38pm
- tf78
  
  Iazza, the best part is the paint will last for TWO years!
  
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  August 8, 2021 7:03pm
lazza

If you’ve not seen this: Chris of Bowalley Road “says it all …”

Quote:

“Homelessness and housing affordability are no closer to being brought under control.

Only last week the Child Poverty Action Group released a report blaming the Government’s “inadequate” Covid-19 social support measures for tipping a further 18,000 children into poverty.

In the midst of a “Climate Emergency” we are importing more coal than ever, and burning it to keep the lights on.

It is also apparent that, very slowly, the volume of discontent over everything from the “Ute Tax”, to He Puapua, to “Hate Speech” legislation, to contracting the Mongrel Mob to fix the problems created by … the Mongrel Mob … is rising.

While New Zealanders can lift their eyes to the rest of the world and see only danger and derangement, Jacinda’s 400,000 Tories will waltz with her in breathless gratitude.

But, just let that danger and derangement cross the border, and see how fast everybody’s dance partners change.

POSTSCRIPT: This essay was penned prior to the release of the latest Roy Morgan and Newshub-Reid Research polls.

The sub-40 percent showing of Labour in the former, and the nearly 20 percent drop in support for the Government in the latter, merely confirm the analysis that Labour is in danger of forgetting who its friends are. – C.T.

Unquote.
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August 8, 2021 11:12am
Yvette

Pike River now seems to take another turn with Winston Peters getting involved having – filed an affidavit saying the previous Government – of which he was Deputy Prime Minister – committed to going deeper into the mine …
Andrew Little has rubbished Winston Peters’ claims the Government broke its promise to the Pike River families by giving up on the reentry at the mine’s drift. – Newshub

So it may next be a political slinging match between Peters and Little.

But any decent journalist could meantime seeks a possible answer to a question that does not require entering the workings –
If, as the Families now claim, the main ventilation fan or its parts (or lack of them) caused the disaster, who actually is there to charge with any criminal offence?

Peters will cite court action (likely his) to avoid an answer, but someone should press the point.

The Royal Commission report does state that there was no ventilation manager. So does responsibility rest with ventilation system designers (particularly as it seems to be the only mine main fan installed underground, world-wide) or installers since it was apparently installed incomplete [a brass bush separator removed, and possibly is now on a surface workshop shelf somewhere], or those who offered the $13,000 bonus – so miners would ignore their own responsibility as part of the safety reporting chain, and overlook risks which they were so well aware of as existing, but continued working towards the bonus. Or the mine manager because he failed to appoint staff beneath himself to be blamed?
Who the hell can Police possibly charge?

And, Winston –
Of the concrete or “expanding grout” poured down the slimline shaft, does an excess of that at the bottom now cover possible human remains in the fresh air base (straight below the shaft) and has it spilled over the just-adjacent west end of the inner roof fall, to hinder access to the main fan?
Neither Little or the Families mention this possible obstacle. Nor Winston.

Is Winston sincere, or just indulging in another political agenda like?
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August 8, 2021 11:14am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Stupidity continues. Who can argue a simple static charge didn’t cause it? No prosecutor could prevail against such a defence. The case is dead. The can be no qualitative evidence.
  
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  August 8, 2021 1:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘ventilation system designers (particularly as it seems to be the only mine main fan installed underground, world-wide) ‘ were sucking up to the Greens.
  The whole thing should have been open cast
  
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  August 8, 2021 4:20pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

ZB reporting that 5 kids aged between 14 & 16 died in a car crash at Washdyke last night when their vehicl hit a power pole. One of the bodies was found in the boot.

Police say they believe speed and alcohol may have been involved.

No shit Sherlock?
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August 8, 2021 11:22am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If there are long, straight roads, with power poles on the side, then any car travelling at high speed that loses control will invariably hit one of these poles after it runs off the road. It would almost be impossible for it not to.
  
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  August 8, 2021 12:10pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Natural selection.
  
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  August 8, 2021 12:25pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yeah, but most boys do dumb stuff as teenagers, the speed of cars just make consequences potentially a lot worse.
    
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    August 8, 2021 3:48pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  At least the scrote who was driving survived and will have to deal with this for the rest of his life.
  
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  August 8, 2021 12:41pm
  - Cobolt24
    
    There was one kid in the boot. I can’t imagine any of them were wearing seatbelts except for the driver.
    The car split in half too.
    
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    August 8, 2021 1:06pm
    - sooty
      
      It’s hard to tell from photos, how much the firemen cut away for access to the inside!
      Wonder how long before they opened the boot?
      
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      August 8, 2021 1:50pm
      - Harriet
        
        Would probably be a driver who wasn’t taught to drive by his father because he didn’t have one. Kids with dads can do some dumb things but this looks like being bloody stupid. Most parents these days ‘drum’ it into their kids not to fuck around in cars.
        The courts and prisons are full of the fatherless for sexual and violent attacks against females, ironic in that it is feminism heralding single parent mothers as being acceptable behavior, maybe, but female victims aren’t acceptable!
        
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        August 8, 2021 3:19pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Absolutely tragic. There could well be readers on this blog her know these teenagers. Young people who somehow at 15 and 16 have taken their invincibility to the brink and lost. Any one of those 6 or more people could have been at the wheel. The driver and every family is going to live in anguish for a very long time.
    
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    August 8, 2021 1:55pm
- curry4me
  
  Maggie Pie: I saw the report from $tuffed on another blog. The car must have been spinning. It was cut in two ust behind the drivers seat. There was a passenger in the boot.
  
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  August 8, 2021 7:05pm
103PapPap

Friend at the tennis club reckons the next ‘browning of Aotearoa’ move will be to change the All Blacks name to the All Browns.
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August 8, 2021 11:29am
rouppe

So Rocket lab is going to launch another mission, in support of nasa’s Artemis programme.

Capstone supports Nasa’s Artemis programme, “which includes plans to land the first woman and the first person of colour on the Moon and establish a long-term presence there,” a Rocket Lab spokeswoman said.

Is that what science has degenerated to now? Scientific success is defined by what color or gender you are?

That’s pathetic
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August 8, 2021 11:31am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “Establish a long term presence there”. Is that another way of saying they’re not planning on bringing them back?
  
  That won’t go down very well with the Woke crowd.
  
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  August 8, 2021 4:05pm
- tf78
  
  rouppe – I nominate Kamala Harris.
  
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  August 8, 2021 7:14pm
Maggie Pie

And we just watched a re-play of the last 3km of the Women’s Marathon.
God…those two Kenyans were so far in front they were lonely!
I said to my partner…. you’d have to wonder why they feel the need to keep looking back over their shoulders every thirty seconds?
He said, “Lions”

LOL!!
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August 8, 2021 11:38am
- sooty
  
  Very good. A dad joke!
  
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  August 8, 2021 11:46am
- rangitoto
  
  I saw a you tube vid of an interview of some members of one of the few remaining hunter gatherer tribes in Africa.
  
  Q. What do you fear most.
  A. Lions.
  Q . What makes you happy.
  A. Meat.
  Q. What happens when you die.
  A. We put the body in a cave.
  Q. What happens to the spirit.
  A. Some say the spirit goes to the Moon but we don’t know.
  Q. What do you do if you see a woman you like?
  A. We shoot them. (Lost in translation ?)
  
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  August 8, 2021 1:15pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘Shoot’ is likely a typo ….
    
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    August 8, 2021 3:20pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Or a bit like ya’ cockney rhyming slang?
      
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      August 8, 2021 3:55pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Better have a closer (butcher’s hook)
        
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        August 8, 2021 4:23pm
BeeJay

A profound little paragraph attributed to Dr. Adrian Rogers in 1931!
“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”
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August 8, 2021 11:46am
Muttonbird

I am hearing Peter Goodfellow has kept his job. Excellent news…

…for Labour.
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August 8, 2021 12:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He is a NINO. National in Name Only
  
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  August 8, 2021 2:24pm
- igm
  
  Infuriating to see this happen. Looks like Arden has less to worry about with this foolish result
  
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  August 8, 2021 5:04pm
Rusty

I sometimes wonder during these crazy times why the woke/lefty/BLM crowd don’t see something wrong with our National rugby team being called the “All Blacks”

Just imagine if they called themselves the “All Whites” Does our National soccer team still call themselves that?
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August 8, 2021 12:43pm
kevn

@mutt… yes, personalities not policy. labour specialty.
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August 8, 2021 12:54pm
Wired-one

National just don’t get it do they. Goodfellow had to go but he’s re-elected. As a staunch National voter can they wake the fuck up and smell the roses! Stop focusing on yourselves, stop the infighting, stop the leaks, don’t just say you’ve learned the lessons, prove it by changing. Stop all the bullshit like the referendum on Aotearoa and focus on the big issues such as housing and cost of living. Develop great policy, communicate why those policies are great and ensure they can be delivered upon. Act like a government in waiting! How long do your supporters need to keep putting up with this frankly pathetic performance? We are currently in the midst of the most incompetent, inept, out of there depth, moronic government in our history and you guys can’t sort your shit out long enough to score some points on them? Capture the centre with great, well thought through policy, Stay focused and disciplined and start stepping up. Me and the thousands of others on the right deserve better than this tripe! We cannot afford another term of this Labour shambles and I’m not prepared for you to waste anymore time on yourselves, it’s not about you, it’s about us, start fucking acting like it!.
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August 8, 2021 12:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Time to try some tuff-love on yourself.
  
  If the Nats aren’t going to change, then it’s time for you to change… and place your vote elsewhere.
  
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  August 8, 2021 1:39pm
  - greybeard
    
    I posted on July 16th:
    
    “Add to “farmers” the hundreds of thousands of other horticulturalists, vineyards, market gardeners, orchardists, transport operators, rural delivery contractors, many and varied rural and farm contractors, shearers, vets, stock & station companies & agents, motor vehicle dealers, fuel suppliers, fertiliser suppliers, fencing suppliers etc etc.
    
    God: get all those people together and there could be a new political party before 2023:
    “The Country Party”.”
    
    I would vote for such a party.
    
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    August 8, 2021 1:53pm
    - greybeard
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300377710/no-longer-the-party-of-rural-nz–national-members-furious-following-conference
      
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      August 8, 2021 6:18pm
    - tf78
      
      greybeard, Judith gave huge credit and thanks to our farmers and producers today – I don’t know why the headlines try to make it sound otherwise. Just more lefty bs as far as I see.
      
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      August 8, 2021 7:18pm
  - Wired-one
    
    You’ve got to be realistic Maggy, Act aren’t going to govern alone. And there is no other credible choice for those of us on the right.
    
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    August 8, 2021 1:59pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      No. ACT might not govern alone but if National was dependent on them they might smarten up their ideas. Over 50% for ACT and National combined is all it needs and with National polling in the high thirties (let’s hope), ACT will get them over the line.
      
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      August 8, 2021 3:17pm
      - Harriet
        
        Spot on.
        National only need to have patience and wait for people to vote Labour out at the next election, in the meantime they should -smarten up- as you suggest and also let ACT remain doing the heavy lifting.
        Voters will leave Labour for a ‘moderate’ National while voters will leave National for a responsible ACT. It’s better to play the quiet game against Cindy the headless talker. Until they have the numbers. Scaring the horses isn’t wise.
        
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        August 8, 2021 3:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I am changing by the day with Labourlite
    
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    August 8, 2021 2:25pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Correct Maggy. As a result of this National conference ACT just went up another gear.
    
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    August 8, 2021 3:12pm
- Bob
  
  ‘cannot afford another term of this Labour shambles ‘……
  Wired -one!
  the solution is in your hands, start explaining to your family, employees, friends, neighbours, known welfare dependents and all others in your realm of live; that the only way to a competent DEMOCRATIC government is…
  TWO TICKS BLUE at the next election
  
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  August 8, 2021 1:43pm
- yossarian
  
  You were doing so well until you said “develop great policy”.
  
  The New Zealand voter doesn’t get two hoots about policy. Jacinda took labour from 22% to 37% in 2016 without one policy change, and then won by a landslide in 2020 with a “no policy” platform. So you can have the best policies in the world, but what you need is someone who everyone just thinks is just “amaza-balls!”
  
  To think our MPs are shallow, have a look at our voters?
  
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  August 8, 2021 2:13pm
- Philview
  
  Do we care who is President of Labour, The Greens, ACT, NZ First etc. ? Goodfellow is only an issue because the NZ media, on behalf of the Labour Party, attack him and make him an issue. I guarantee that if he did exactly the same job for Labour we wouldn’t be hearing about him.
  
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  August 8, 2021 2:34pm
- curry4me
  
  Wired-one: I agree. It won’t likely do ACTs upward trajectory any harm though.
  
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  August 8, 2021 7:08pm
Fisiani2

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/08/russian-woman-sues-mcdonald-s-for-19-after-cheeseburger-ad-forced-her-to-break-lent.html

She was forced at gunpoint. Nup
She had to buy a cheesburger Nup
She is a Russian snowflake who wants to blame someone else for her choices and actions
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August 8, 2021 1:26pm
lifesgood

Ever since the last election there have been calls on this blog for Goodfellow to go. I am pretty ignorant about the workings of the National Party board so could someone enlighten me as to his powers, what he is responsible for and why he is so terrible. I am being genuine here in case you are wondering.
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August 8, 2021 1:49pm
- rockape
  
  To answer to the best of my knowledge . The board was involved maybe too deeply in policy ,candidate selection as well as their core business of fund raising and internal organisation. I have heard it directly from Goodfellows own lips that that is changing. He is leaving policy to the caucus and membership, candidate selection more to the electorates and will concentrate on what he is best at, fundraising.
  
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  August 8, 2021 3:17pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Rockape Thanks for your reply. If Goodfellow is to be believed why did David Carter throw a hissy fit, then?
    
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    August 8, 2021 5:54pm
    - rockape
      
      Those changes were part of the recommendations from the review. Carter challenged for the position, having not got the support he really had to resign.
      
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      August 8, 2021 7:43pm
Happychappy

Be fair Wired-one many on here were calling for the coup that got rid of Simon Bridges to help the media and started the rot for National because every one went on to leak stories to the media, if they had closed down those that backed Jamie Lee Ross in first instance and cut down Tova O’Brien who was doing all the dirty work for our Fairy Princess and Winston Peter’s we would have still had a reasonable chance of not losing the ground we did. Labour was always going to win the election after all the tragedy and then Covid-19 because stupid people thought they needed our Pime Minister to save them, then the money printing convinced them.
It was absolutely stupid politics by Todd Muller and Nicky Kaye to tell Paula Bennett and others they weren’t needed in Cabinet and would better with a new job, and you can see now why Judith Collins needs to stay as Leader of National as we need a united National party to fix the mess that the Muller team of bigots left them.
If it was not for the media Labour would be languishing in the polls , so it’s not all their fault , but the infighting hasn’t helped.
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August 8, 2021 2:06pm
- doggone7
  
  Blame Tova O’Brien or her backing Jacinda Ardern yet say “closed down those that backed Jamie Lee Ross in first instance “?
  
  Who backed Jamie Lee Ross in first instance? How high on the front bench rankings was he? Who backed him to be there ? Who didn’t back him when he was raising money?
  
  The crap hit the fan and all the dirty laundry was aired. That so many (all?) knew about.
  
  They loved him until they loathed him. They didn’t mind what he did and what he was like until they suddenly didn’t like what he did and what he was like.
  
  Maybe the delusional thinking is why the situation in the party is as it as. Blame Tova O’Brien? Jeez.
  
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  August 8, 2021 2:37pm
I remember when

At least our runners in the Olympic Marathon managed to struggle to the finish.
The effects of the temperature and humidity were perhaps best demonstrated for us by Zane Robertson collapsing and being chaired to medical help.
After years spent training and living in Kenyan conditions he would have been better conditioned than most, apart from the Africans themselves.
Even slight satisfaction with Malcolm Hicks, although way down the list, finishing ahead of an Australian.
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August 8, 2021 2:19pm
I remember when

Incidentally, I haven’t seen any articles linking the 19,000 youths in emergency housing with education.
Are the poor school attendance figures an indicator of what can be expected down the track.
Perhaps they told their teachers to “F Off!”.
Didn’t see that coming.
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August 8, 2021 2:26pm
Maggie Pie

HERE WE GO!

JC’s full speech to the Party. I found it quite awe-inspiring……

https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1424193876579872774

Can’t imagine Shane or Egghead holding anyone’s attention for 40 minutes
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August 8, 2021 2:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear..
All of team National not on message:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300377590/national-party-former-speaker-david-carter-resigns-as-he-has-no-confidence-in-peter-goodfellow-as-president
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August 8, 2021 2:31pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Good for Carter. He obviously campaigned against Goodfellow being re-elected, could not carry the majority & resigned in consequence.
  
  It’s called integrity, aka putting your principles into action. Rarer than one would hope.
  
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  August 8, 2021 4:11pm
Philview

If any Young Nats are reading this, The National Party objected to the possibility of parents being sent to jail for not assisting their children with puberty blockers. Labour have refused to guarantee an exemption for parents. The Labour controlled media are twisting this with a story line just focusing on gay conversion. National have been 100% correct in not backing this legislation at first reading. We have an extremist Government with a majority and I will be interested if ACT’s claims are true that they will change this Bill down the track.
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August 8, 2021 2:47pm
Maggie Pie

And a heads up while I think of it…..

Ma reminded us earlier that Sir Ron Brierly is due to be sentenced on the 20th, after pleading guilty to being in possession of thousands disgusting child-abuse images and vids….some of the girls being as young as 8 🙁

Best you bookmark it now.
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August 8, 2021 2:48pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Looks like at least one pedo has logged in.
  
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  August 8, 2021 5:08pm
Jack5

In the Left-wing NZ Herald, political reporter Trevett interviews John Key.

Trevett salts the report by stating that Judith Collins has been accused [no mention of by whom] of going off message by talking about issues such as race, and hate- speech laws.

When the subsidised, Left-leaning media say Collins is getting something wrong you have to suspect this confirms she’s doing something right.

On what National should be doing, Key states the mundanely obvious:

“There is only one way to win back support, and that is to have shape internally and to make sure you are consistently arguing the issues that matter to New Zealand.”

And Key’s suggestions of these issues: ” … one of them is the complete failure of the MIQ system and the slowness of the rollout. The second is going to be cost of living increases.”

Any Aussie-type outburst of Covid-19 in NZ would slam Labour like a political torpedo, and voters won’t swallow that the Reserve Bank alone is the cause of emerging inflation.

However, Key’s failure to change the national flag likely colours his view on the significance of the “Aotearoa” campaign led by State Radio, State TV, and State subsidised newspapers.

Collins’s suggestion of a referendum on the country’s name may rile Key, given his reported regrets for holding a referendum on the national flag instead of just changing it.
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August 8, 2021 2:51pm
- tf78
  
  Jack, the flag referendum wasn’t lost by many votes if I recall correctly, so it wasn’t a total waste of time and money.
  
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  August 8, 2021 4:52pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    You recall incorrectly, tf78.
    
    Option A: Silver Fern Flag — 921,876 (43.27%)
    Option B: Current New Zealand Flag — 1,208,702 (56.73%)
    Total Valid Votes — 2,130,578
    
    Informal Votes — 5,044
    
    So, yes, it was indeed a total waste of time and money.
    
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    August 8, 2021 6:15pm
- Steve Todd
  
  […], given his reported regrets for holding a referendum on the national flag instead of just changing it.
  
  Changing it to what, though? Who would’ve decided? Key? Give over.
  
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  August 8, 2021 6:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some fun. Hey lefties, before you lose your shit, The United Spot is satire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDh108owpKg
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August 8, 2021 3:00pm
lifesgood

We NZers always expect a lot from our olympians and they have sure delivered. It was an amazing result. I have just looked up the medal count per capita of each country. We came in 4th! 4th! That’s amazing, beaten only by San Marino who sent 5 athletes and won 3 medals, Bermuda and Grenada. Per capita the UK came in 24th, Japan 46th, USA 55th and China 73rd. We should be very proud of our wonderful athletes.
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August 8, 2021 3:00pm
lazza

I plump for “Aotearoa-New Zealand” meantime.

Until inevitably the “New Zealand” bit gets dropped.

Bring on a referendum?
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August 8, 2021 3:13pm
graham

Saw a headline in the NZ Herald:

Andrew Alderson: NZ have added more to Olympics than just medals

Started wondering vaguely if this might be interesting to read, then proceeded to the byline:

A dose of sporting kotahitanga has been welcome over the past fortnight in Tokyo.

And promptly closed the website.

These days I operate largely on a policy that if the headline or the byline has a Maori word in it, the article can’t be that important or they would use a language that everybody understands to describe it. So obviously I can get by just fine without reading it.
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August 8, 2021 3:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You are now racist for not using the translation.
  Like we do in Tamaki Makaurau //
  
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  August 8, 2021 4:34pm
rockape

I have tried to make a point at several National Party meetings that has been highlighted in the Leader saying the “Caucus” is United. I am sorry but that is largely irrelevant. She needs to have the membership united and from what I hear they want change at the top. When will the party realize what John Key so clearly showed, that it’s not the caucus you need to lead, nor just the membership but the majority of voters need to follow you. Until we see a leader of Nation@l do that then the only hope is for Labour to stuff up so badly they get voted out.
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August 8, 2021 3:38pm
kevn

@Maggy… Yes, looks like there is a hardcore group within, resisting change.
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August 8, 2021 4:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NINOs?
  
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  August 8, 2021 5:09pm
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300377710/no-longer-the-party-of-rural-nz–national-members-furious-following-conference

This would be the fifth or sixth hit piece I’ve seen today. If we ever do get back into power, it’s time to remove funding from these supposedly impartial and balanced media organizations. Let them survive without taxpayer’s money.
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August 8, 2021 6:04pm
- septic skeptic
  
  That’s a no- brainer. Unfortunately the question of “will they” is also a no-brainer.
  
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  August 8, 2021 6:34pm
- Adroit
  
  Why wouldn’t they attack? They smell blood in the water. The Nats couldn’t help them anymore than they are if they cut off an arm in the ocean!
  
  Absolute insanity re-electing Goodfellow.
  
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  August 8, 2021 8:09pm
Parnell Gun Club

Better yet, make them pay it back.
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August 8, 2021 6:48pm
ABS4EVA

BREAKTHROUGH CASES

Breakthrough Cases –

B r e a k t h r o u g h – C a s e s

when someone double vaxed either

Gets Covid
Spreads it and/or

Dies from it

Happening rather a lot

Breakthrough cases & the shift in the media narrative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWPbvzRMLTI
[Breakthrough cases & the shift in the media narrative]

What is going Wrong Here ?

In the Communist Police State of Victoria

Real Rushkan an independent Media Specialist
Gets Letters threats and intimidation
from the Thought Police

It is because he questions Labour or
because he has an Opinion

Are People going to be fully protected
When they are fully vaccinated?

In the cases of many dead people

Maybe not
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