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CJames

The poll on Newshub is running 85 to 8% against the funding. I think the Government would call that a close result.
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July 14, 2021 7:07pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  I think they will just ignore it and carry on.
  
  After all Dear Leader Saint Jacinda knows what’s best for all of us.
  
  Saved us from that nasty Flu virus from China, 80,000 of us
  
  Saving us from the life or death situation with Global cooling, no sorry Global warming, no get it right Climate change, no you will have to do better than that, got it, CLIMATE CRISIS, there got it.
  
  And don’t forget ” the only truth is the truth that we tell you”.
  
  The Sheeple need her now more than ever as we lurch from one life or death crisis to the next.
  
  All Hail Dear leader.
  
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  July 14, 2021 7:26pm
  - CJames
    
    I have looked on Newshub’s site this morning and no mention of the poll. Has it already been memory holed?s
    
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    July 15, 2021 9:38am
- krazykiwi
  
  I wonder how many of those opposed would still vote for Ardern were an election held tomorrow? My guess is… quite a few. There’s a cognitive dissonance baseload in her sycophantic admirers.
  
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  July 14, 2021 7:29pm
  - Philview
    
    Hence, wave after wave of attacks on Judith Collins on every media platform.
    
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    July 14, 2021 8:37pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      Don’t know if you’d call this an attack. The PM reminding Judith (she’s so forgetful these days) of a similar funding scheme for the Mob by National.
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/07/jacinda-ardern-points-to-very-similar-rehab-schemes-national-funded-amid-mongrel-mob-funding-uproar.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
      But that was different right?
      
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      July 15, 2021 7:37am
      - Yabster
        
        read the article? second paragragh- Nationals programme gave money to the likes of the Salvation Army to run the gang scheme- not to an organisation run by gang members -does your tiny little brain get the difference- take your time…
        
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        July 15, 2021 7:46am
      - Nickc2
        
        The money was to the Salvation Army for treatment of Mongrel Mob drug addiction, not to some gun-toting old Mongrel Mob criminal to pay the Mongrel Mob’s gardeners for work on his Marie’s gardens FFS.
        GO JUDITH!
        
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        July 15, 2021 7:50am
      - Philview
        
        Per the article it was different as the funding went to the Salvation Army rather than landscaping a Mob leader’s garden. If National were doing that in power I would criticise them as well.
        
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        July 15, 2021 7:54am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Yeah, it’s just politics, eh.
        Let’s bring down Judith. That’ll fix it.
        Pathetic.
        Apologists for the drug dealing gangsters with guns are out of touch with the thinking of NZ society.
        
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        July 15, 2021 7:55am
      - Ehlana
        
        For two reasons, Brian. One, those schemes had the Salvation Army as lead organisation, so the public money was being handled by a reputable organisation.
        The second: The funding was cut due to lack of progress.
        In other words, they tried something, it didn’t work sufficiently well, so it was stopped.
        
        Now Labour would like us to believe that it will work much better if we just give the money straight to the gang. Which, I’ll grant you, is different.
        
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        July 15, 2021 8:02am
      - Thumelicus
        
        ALERT! ALERT! we have found one of those rascals krazykiwi was talking about.
        
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        July 15, 2021 8:09am
      - SmokerGuy
        
        [please contribute more than just abuse – Mod]
        
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        July 15, 2021 9:01am
      - burt
        
        The PM reminding Judith (she’s so forgetful these days) of a similar funding scheme for the Mob by National.
        
        The big mature PM said “they did it too” and you repeat it. Wow, don’t we have an awesome accountable government supported by partisan hacks like you.
        
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        July 15, 2021 9:52am
    - igm
      
      Fortunately only losers, leeches, criminals, and perverts pay credence to MSM these days.
      
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      July 15, 2021 7:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You could run a rotten fencepost and the rabid left would still vote for it
    
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    July 15, 2021 9:22am
    - GT Build
      
      The rotten Fencepost would make more sense than most of the hollow shells sitting on the government benches
      
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      July 15, 2021 10:15am
    - Sacha
      
      Talking about fenceposts – I was chatting to my neighbour over the fence across the road, as you do in the country, about the Howl of a Protest tomorrow. He’s going, and taking his 3 big huntaways who will happily bark loudly from the back of his ute. All day. He was getting quite angry, and one of his louder comments was “get out of the way, you silly bitch”. It wasn’t ’til later that I remembered that he only has male dogs.
      
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      July 15, 2021 11:22am
- Clyde
  
  Ah, but the Government don’t listen to the people when they have this degree of support. Sort of contradictory I suppose, but if you have a majority, have a rampant maori caucus and a compliant, prostituted media, then all is rosy.
  
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  July 14, 2021 7:56pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I just beat my bitch up and put her on the block. Where’s my $2.75m?
  
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  July 14, 2021 10:54pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Not funny.
    
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    July 15, 2021 8:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Is if you have a sense of humour, and know what is fiction/satire.
      
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      July 15, 2021 9:24am
    - Rich Prick
      
      It wasn’t supposed to be funny, it is a commentary on what they do.
      
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      July 16, 2021 12:07am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Expect a nasty hit piece from Labour member Toxic Tova tomorrow.
  
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  July 14, 2021 11:03pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Not sure about that. Relies on leaks that one. Her leakers have either been shit kicked or are now afraid to leak for fear of their trough going.
    
    Hence the B-grade roll out to flakes such as Simon Wilson with month old bitches about mispronunciation.
    
    We are due for a toxic-Reid research ‘poll’ though. Perhaps the results aren’t good enough for dear leader……
    
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    July 15, 2021 9:27am
- Nickc2
  
  The MSM is having difficulty running obstruction to this disaster. Scribblers in the PM’s Office must be working overtime.
  
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  July 15, 2021 5:57am
  - mandk
    
    They just need to get her to go to Plimmerton to be photographed with baby Toa.
    
    That will sort it.
    
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    July 15, 2021 8:17am
  - bono vilfredo
    
    On chins?
    
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    July 15, 2021 9:23am
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/07/have-your-say-is-it-appropriate-for-gang-linked-social-services-to-be-funded-by-the-government.html
  To have your say.
  
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  July 15, 2021 8:33am
surfing

F***ing disgace.
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July 14, 2021 7:08pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I just did a tinny deal with school kids. Where’s my $2.75m?
  
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  July 14, 2021 10:49pm
john1234

It’s Proceeds of Crime funding, not Taxpayer funding.

I’m not sure which is worse.
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July 14, 2021 7:12pm
- LesleyNZ
  
  It should have been used as if it were our taxpayer money. Money collected for the government belongs to the taxpayer.
  
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  July 14, 2021 7:18pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Only Parliament as a whole has sovereignty and the right to authorise spending.
    Ardern has let her majority over rule law. She is not the bloomin’ queen of New Zealand, New Tyranny maybe. (Maori: niu tireni.)
    
    We must drop our tolerance of bad govt. Get the bulldozers out on the streets. Time to put Cinders back in the fireplace and show her the peoples consent is needed to govern. Twyfordism and wannabe commies isn’t govt.
    
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    July 15, 2021 8:43am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Only Parliament as a whole has sovereignty and the right to authorise spending.
      
      Oh, Kev, you’ve got to stop this nonsense. You’re embarrassing yourself — repeatedly.
      
      The prime minister — with a majority of seats and an absolute majority of votes — is doing no more than Muldoon did. You know, the guy who also had a majority of seats, but once with only a plurality of votes, i.e., less than 50% (1975), and twice with a minority of votes, i.e., fewer than the total of votes received by Labour (1978 and 1981)!
      
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      July 15, 2021 3:53pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Worse, why bother taking it of them if you are just going to give it back.
  
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  July 14, 2021 7:28pm
- ronsegal
  
  Actually the root source it’s more like taxpayer beneficiary funding.
  
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  July 14, 2021 7:33pm
- tf78
  
  john1234, how amazing that they’re given their money back. Can we now expect refunds for our parking and speeding fines after all what is the difference.
  
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  July 14, 2021 8:05pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I just robbed 15 dairies. Where’s my $2.75m?
  
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  July 14, 2021 10:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Even seized money goes to the general fund. I guess Jaspinda wanted to launder some ‘dirty’ money.
  Watch her SPIN it soon
  
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  July 15, 2021 9:26am
freedom101

Seriously, 8% support it? Must be die hard Green party members (Mendez what’s his name’s fellow travellers). The level of support is below the Green party support in recent polls. I’m picking that no one in Labour supports it, except for the sea-plundering Clark Gayford and other closely orbiting flunkies.
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July 14, 2021 7:16pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I just took out a Black Power rival. Where’s my $2.75m?
  
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  July 14, 2021 10:51pm
- pdm
  
  Soubrek and Richie Hardcore were probably supporters.
  
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  July 15, 2021 8:03am
snowy

Doesn’t matter.

We a as a country are now fucked for years.
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July 14, 2021 7:26pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  If only there was a massive continent to the West where everything is cheaper, where anyone willing to put some effort in can succeed and where in the warmer northern part wokeness hasn’t reached
  
  If only…
  
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  July 14, 2021 9:05pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I just raped a 70 year old. Where’s my $2.75m?
  
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  July 14, 2021 10:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We as a country were fucked 4 years ago.
  Fixed it for you
  
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  July 15, 2021 9:28am
NeverMindTheBollocks

It’s like Labour Ministers are competing amongst themselves to see who can make the most egregious announcements.
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July 14, 2021 7:30pm
- tf78
  
  NeverMind, maybe they really don’t like having to work for a living. Being in opposition was much easier as they barely had to get out of bed in the morning.
  
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  July 14, 2021 8:07pm
- Philview
  
  Yes, I wonder what is coming next. Free hand guns supplied to the Mongrel Mob perhaps. At what point would people consider voting against Jacinda?
  
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  July 14, 2021 8:41pm
Maggie Pie

Can you imagine the backslapping going on…. and the peels of hilarious laughter ringing out from the ‘Mongie’s HQ’ right now?

Ma reckons it would be like a scene from an old ‘Billy T’ show.
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July 14, 2021 8:00pm
- tf78
  
  Maggie, Billy had brains and class.
  
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  July 14, 2021 8:08pm
Badger

Ouch! When it’s put like that…
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July 14, 2021 8:05pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I just shot up the main street, where’s my $2.75m?
  
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  July 15, 2021 1:17am
BeeJay

Did she:
– Ask the Audience (taxpayers)
– Take the 50/50 (she’d already rejected most of the answer options)
– Phone a friend (she didn’t need to ask anyone! She knows everything!)//
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July 14, 2021 8:06pm
- oldfella
  
  Was Wiley Willie and the Maori caucus in the audience, ‘coughing’ to help Glorious Leader select the right answer? Right for them, anyway. /s
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/inside-the-who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-cheating-scandal/5W4WOLIOV4JWIUABZIUJLMCQ4Q/
  
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  July 15, 2021 8:55am
Okahu

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Nope, no Homer D’oh there. Our PM appears to have the correct answer. As she should as she was one of the Ministers that signed off a proposal formulated by various government depts and ministries from health, justice to police.

Unless you are implying that this strategy for spending money confiscated from the gangs couldn’t possibly be worth trying. Well that’s just fine but as the earlier pilot showed promise perhaps the Taxpayers Union could tell us all what they propose to defeat the scourge of P.

Well let’s just see then shall we. Or are we committed to rushing to judgement on this initiative because we don’t like the parties? They do say perfect is the enemy of the good. Perhaps here in the land of we know best it’s better to have never tried than tried and just possibly have made progress.

Oh, and $2.75m wouldn’t pay a weeks wage bill for the ADHB nurses so spare us the emotive but absurd equivalencies.
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July 14, 2021 8:19pm
- Philview
  
  It is a scam. They are just giving the Mob their money back, but it makes a great headline to say assets have been confiscated from gangs. Don’t worry lads it is all optics and you will get it all back with interest.
  
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  July 14, 2021 8:45pm
- JJ56
  
  Well you have to admit its a novel approach to do a deal to pay those who are creating the problem to help clean it up.
  
  Reminds me of Milo Mindbender bombing his own squadron as part of a deal with the Germans. But supporting this extreme form of capitalism seems somewhat out of character for the current administration.
  
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  July 14, 2021 10:07pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  I would give you an uptick but I don’t want to encourage you. Go! Go! Go before Farrar’s platoon of loonies drags you into the mire of misinformation and madness.
  
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  July 15, 2021 12:33am
  - Yabster
    
    [continue puerile abuse and you’ll be suspended – Mod]
    
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    July 15, 2021 8:46am
  - Yabster
    
    loonies appears to be an ok term- hmm Doc take your own advice..
    
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    July 15, 2021 10:23am
- Gravelroad
  
  Awww- you are so nice and kind Okahu.
  Free stuff for everyone , no questions asked and we must not judge the anti-social or the criminals.
  Reminds me of myself when, as a teenager, I had a mild flirtation with soft socialism.
  Then reality set in and I grew up.
  I realise that some people are still under the thrall of Ms Ardern but please, try to consider the rest of us sometimes – you know the ones – taxpayers, law abiding workers who don’t attack innocent women and children, deal drugs and guns and then demand special treatment from society they seek to destroy.
  No – time to put away the Rose-coloured glasses and start speaking up for the good people.
  
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  July 15, 2021 6:52am
  - Okahu
    
    Oh come on. You, like the rest of the correspondents here are living large in a society built on the redistribution of wealth by the state. We are, for the most, just arguing to what extent. You may have noticed the dreadful whine that goes up when any suggestion of means testing of super is suggested. And no, there isn’t a pool of money you put into that removes the burden on the young to support you.
    
    Farrar knows what he is doing. Like Ailes it’s all about winding up the inflammatory rhetoric, the outrage but never offering useful alternatives. Have you noticed how contrary opinions/experts are never invited to provide a counter to the story? Always the rush to judgement. And good on him. He has gathered the finest collection of reactionaries (and just quietly, a fair few nasty, racist arseholes) a blogger could want. Not enough to make a living but he like I, seem happy to waste our time creating/reacting to the manufactured outrage of the day.
    
    40 downticks? That could be a few who saw the name and went straight to the option. But presumably a few who read the offering and had a flicker of comprehension that Kiwiblog does not not offer the only view of our society.
    
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    July 15, 2021 9:06am
    - Yabster
      
      nasty racist aholes- on boo hoo you have hurt alot of feelings Okahu- read your post and downticked as in my opinion your post was complete rubbish- called democracy- look it up.
      
      Your a typical lefty elistist who thinks his opinion is far superior to everyone elses – and gets offended when people disagree- grow up mate.
      
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      July 15, 2021 10:29am
      - Okahu
        
        Um. I’m the contrarian around here and you’re the one sounding offended. I’m not sure your helping your position at this stage yabbie.
        
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        July 15, 2021 11:39am
      - Yabster
        
        “I’m the contrarian around here” (spell that with a different vowel and you would be about right)- your very proud of yourselF okiwokie on that count- pat yourself on the back and feel that smugness wash over you.
        How could I be offended?- you opinion is meaningless – to me.
        
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        July 15, 2021 12:18pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      So you still think the big payout to the criminal and violent drug peddling gangs is a good idea then?
      That is what this thread is about.
      Not means testing of super, or the young being forced to support old people or any other of the irrelevant points you make above.
      As for the “nasty, racial arseholes” – that’s a big judgement call on people here that you really know nothing about.
      
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      July 15, 2021 2:59pm
- hullkiwi
  
  There you have the views, opinions and beliefs of the 8% and government support funkies.
  
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  July 15, 2021 7:33am
  - Okahu
    
    Flunkies darling. You can’t even get your abuse right. Give yourself a slap.
    
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    July 15, 2021 8:30am
- Yabster
  
  wokster alert
  
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  July 15, 2021 7:44am
  - Okahu
    
    Perhaps you meant wokester? You make it sound like you have something against Asia’s favourite style of flash fried dinners! And capitalise! Two words. Two blunders. Can’t tell if your not trying or not up to it.
    
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    July 15, 2021 10:16am
    - Yabster
      
      the old i am far superior to you as i spotted a spelling mistake- what a twit.
      
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      July 15, 2021 10:32am
      - Okahu
        
        All good yabbie. I can now see you really were trying. It’s not much, and it needs deciphering, but your giving what you’ve got to this debate. A+ for effort. Feel better?
        
        (Yep, snarc!)
        
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        July 15, 2021 11:36am
      - Yabster
        
        feel great okiewoki- the more i disagree with the likes of you the better i feel- thanks for that- have a wonderful day in your socialist paradise..
        
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        July 15, 2021 12:14pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      @ Okahu – Talking of pedantry, bud, look up the difference between ‘your’ and ‘you’re’.
      
      You’re welcome.
      
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      July 15, 2021 1:32pm
      - Okahu
        
        Fair point. Apologies for any offence caused to you, the wider readership and written English. Personally, like Garrett, I cringe a little when I see such butchery so you have my thanks for so elegantly pointing this out. Clearly I was much too fast to push post on what was in retrospect unnecessary to any general points I wished to make and unkind to poor yabbie.
        
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        July 15, 2021 3:37pm
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Alright Okahu let’s you remove your ‘emotiveness’.
  
  You tell us what expert credentials and years of undergraduate and postgraduate tertiary education and qualifications in the required disciplines of social psychology, cognitive behavioural therapy, psychiatry and addiction medicine that gang members have to be able to expertly turn drug users clean.
  
  Show us the academic studies and psychoanalytic models the gangs will use as the basis to formulate their rehabilitation programme.
  
  Show us the metrics and observable measurements the gangs will use to measure and quantify their proposed success rate. What is their proposed success rate, by the way?
  
  And whatever you do, don’t:
  
  a) answer the question with a question
  b) deflect, deny or divert
  c) use pejorative language and ad hominem attacks
  d) obfuscate your answer
  e) tell us that drug users don’t have psychological problems-it’s just that they are misunderstood and marginalised by society -refer to use of psychoanalytics above to account for this.
  
  Just give us the hard data and evidential basis that will convince us that the Mongel Mob, or any other gang, is qualified to undertake professional drug rehabilitation and ensure a significant, durable and measurable success rate.
  
  (Here’s a hint, weeding the garden of the Mongrel Mob boss doesn’t cut it).
  
  What are we actually getting for our $2.75 million dollars Okahu? Let’s hear the facts.
  
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  July 15, 2021 8:20am
  - Nickc2
    
    You’ve thrown a curveball at Frazer House there Sarkozygroupie! Well done, keep it up.
    
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    July 15, 2021 10:12am
  - Okahu
    
    This would be a miserable forum if we only allowed experts in the field to opine. Why, DPF goes out of his way to neglect the voices that don’t support the tenor of his offerings.
    
    But in the spirit of your extensive questioning I have to plead…zero! But that’s not the point is it? I don’t wonder about the strength of bridges I cross. I leave it to those who design and peer review such structures to get it right. Now of course we are in much less objective country here when the difficult matrix of law and health and addiction collide with politics (with a large helping of personal animus tossed in). I don’t pretend to have the answers.
    
    This however I do know. What we have tried thus far has not worked. Got that? Failed! Again and again! It seems not to matter how many people we incarcerate, how big our drug seizures, how much we pretend our drugs are better than theirs. The ‘problem’ doesn’t get resolved.
    
    Where were the howls of outrage at every program that has been tried but presumably failed to get on top of this issue previously? And I bet they didn’t start with the modest advantage of merely employing confiscated funds.
    
    Get the idea that you have been whipped in to a lather, had your buttons pushed, not because you could point to the failures of the inter-agency group that produced this scheme but because it was co-signed off by this blog’s favourite whipping girl?
    
    Get the feeling that you are here because it’s a political blog and not a social science journal?
    
    I got to admit that the opportunity to link this blogs least favourite person with anti-social thugs is political gold. Make hay. Why not. But don’t imagine any of your outrage will positively impact the problem you apparently care so deeply about.
    
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    July 15, 2021 10:49am
    - ISeeRed
      
      So you got nothing?
      
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      July 15, 2021 12:39pm
      - Yabster
        
        okiewokie is full of it- knows better tha frontline ploice of course too:
        
        Cahill said one officer described it as “the most successful money laundering scheme he’d heard”.
        
        “Police take $2m of dirty money – as they recently did from the Notorious chapter of the Mongrel Mob in Operation Dusk in Hawke’s Bay – and the Government returns $2.75m in clean money to people so closely linked to the same gang,” Mr Cahill says.
        
        “Association members are clearly angry that Police hierarchy and the Ministry of Health consider a gang such as Notorious Mongrel Mob, which is responsible for the majority of meth dealing in Central Hawke’s Bay, should now be trusted stewards of millions of dollars to fix a problem they are instrumental in creating,” he said.
        
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        July 15, 2021 2:05pm
    - Nickc2
      
      IMO, this problem will only be resolved when there is political will to do so.
      At this time, there is no will to do so when we have Labour’s political Lap Dogs (the Greens) pushing for the legalisation of Marijuana and whatever else they are on.
      If we were serious, we would be invoicing these Gangs for drug addiction rehabilitation when it can be proven the addict became addicted via a Gang-related supply of the substance.
      However, given that there is currently no will on the part of our Police Force to apprehend and prosecute addicts, I seriously doubt we will ever stamp out the problem.
      That is not to suggest we should legitimise illegal substance use but we should be holding our Police responsible for non-enforcement of the law.
      
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      July 15, 2021 1:32pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Okahu,
      
      I refer you to a,b,c, and d, above.
      
      Rather than lay this back at my feet I simply asked for some facts, not ‘emotiveness’.
      
      Simple really.
      
      Of course you must know that as a female I do not lather and sweat. I glow!
      
      The only lather and sweat I see is coming from you exercising yourself rather vigorously trying to manufacture something resembling an answer (overlaid by a pink haze of apoplexy).
      
      Now, if I could be bothered I might entertain your deflections and try to unpick your viscous and moribund prose. But I can’t.
      
      Still waiting for the hard data….
      
      Have a nice day. ?
      
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      July 15, 2021 11:17pm
- Tall Man
  
  What an absurd argument. Makes it clear to me why you support the ardern stupidity.
  
  Was there sign off by any medical authority on the suitability of working at the home of a mongrel mob leader as being an effective treatment for meth addiction?
  
  Are there any qualified clinicians involved in the procedures. How about qualified and suitably trained addiction counsellors?
  
  Is there any fiscal oversight?
  
  If the answers to any of the above were an emphatic yes, don’t you think that they would be being trumpted from the rooftops.
  
  Yes, I definitely do not like the parties involved here, especially when other more qualified agencies are being denied funding for similar ventures.
  
  The desperate crap of trying to compare this direct mob funding to a previous scheme overseen by the Salvation Army, proven deliverers of addiction treatment by the way, merely illuminates the absolute stupidity of ardern and her disciples.
  
  Finally the money is “supposedly” to be directed towards victims. Paying it straight back to one of the most prolific organisations in the creating of victims is just obscene stupidity.
  
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  July 15, 2021 8:36am
- R
  
  perhaps the Taxpayers Union could tell us all what they propose to defeat the scourge of P
  
  Perhaps you could ditch the sarcasm and tell everyone how this particular policy will help to defeat the scourge of P…
  
  Oh, and $2.75m wouldn’t pay a weeks wage bill for the ADHB nurses so spare us the emotive but absurd equivalencies.
  
  Oh, so you’re suggesting the Government has short-changed the Mongrel Mob? LOL
  
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  July 15, 2021 8:44am
  - Okahu
    
    Umm. I’m pretty fond of snark and sarc. That wasn’t. Turn your sensitivity range down a notch.
    
    You haven’t helped your argument by misrepresenting my position either. That was an observation as to the choice of the rather well produced taxpayer ‘union’ hit piece. Not the overworked teachers I note. They aren’t the hard done by de jour. Too many socialists or something.
    
    Oh. And I’m in danger of repetition here but I don’t know that the answer to one of society’s most intractable problems has been found. I don’t possess the apparent certainties of some here. But I’m not against exploring the marginal gains that might be made. Particularly when we are spending thug money to do so. What are you so scared of?
    
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    July 15, 2021 11:16am
Fisiani2

You did not pay nurses -You paid gangs
You did not build houses – You paid the gangs
You did not treat the sick -You paid the gangs
You did not pay teachers – You paid the gangs.
You did not listen – you paid the gangs
You were not kind -You paid the gangs
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July 14, 2021 9:08pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I just pulled an ATM out of a wall, where’s my $2.75m?
  
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  July 14, 2021 10:47pm
Ohm my

$2.75 mill – not so much for the MM per se but only ONE chapter of ONE gang. What about the Headhunters, Black Power, Bandidos etc etc. Quite frankly that payment is discriminatory and all gangs in all locations need a few mill each so a few p heads can tutu around in the garden.
It is a f*****g disgrace.
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July 14, 2021 9:40pm
davidp

Whoever said “crime does not pay” had obviously never met Jacinda Ardern.
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July 14, 2021 9:59pm
Rich Prick

Perhaps the rest of us should become hard arse drug dealers, wife beaters and anti-social thugs, and we too could get $2.75m out of Cindy. Who’s up for it? I’m starting tomorrow, no time to waste.
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July 14, 2021 10:45pm
- Cinematic
  
  Rich Prick you are on fire.
  
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  July 14, 2021 11:42pm
- Okahu
  
  Don’t neglect the updates! Maybe like Maggie Pie you could get the other side to open an account and let us know how it’s working out for you both.
  
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  July 15, 2021 11:48am
  - Rich Prick
    
    And you could live life being a Labour Party sycophant. Let’s call it a draw.
    
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    July 16, 2021 12:05am
Rich Prick

Come on Cindy, we all deserve $2.75m!
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July 15, 2021 1:19am
fr8traindigital

“A house and 2.75 million for everyone who wants it.”
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July 15, 2021 7:16am
- Ehlana
  
  No, fr8traindigital. Despite this being the kindest and most transparent government ever lead by someone with a degree in communications, it seems this message is not clear to you.
  
  The $2.75m came from Proceeds of Crime funding. So only those who have committed sufficient crime to amass proceeds of $3m or so of proceeds are eligible.
  
  And as for a house …
  
  I’ve heard the Prime Ministers favourite flowers are Forget Me Nots. Do you think they’ll feature at the wedding?
  
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  July 15, 2021 8:14am
- Tall Man
  
  To be called “Kiwi Bollocks” …. Bugger, already taken ….
  
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  July 15, 2021 8:47am
kevn

The Herald running defense this morning.
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July 15, 2021 7:53am
Brian McDonald

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I like the furore from National when a Mob member gives themselves up for being involved in crime, but they fall silent when a National Party member acts in a manner Winnie colourfully described a couple of weeks ago. Sex maniacs I think it was.
Meanwhile, to get away from the witches cauldron for a minute, dear old Winnie appears to have assumed the position of a politician in opposition in 2 short weeks. Judith must be pleased.
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July 15, 2021 8:08am
- Tall Man
  
  Ah yes, whataboutism, the last defense after “racist” and “white supremicist” have failed to “refude” any argument.
  
  Mind you, one does need a modicum of intellect to actually debate and it seems that currently, “white noise” is all those on the left seem capable of.
  
  Just for interest, “whatabout” all those people that have been evicted from a night club and didn’t ……
  
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  July 15, 2021 8:54am
- SmokerGuy
  
  Your diversion tactics are pathetic! Typical from the left, try and shift focus away when things are turning to shit. Grow up and debate the actual issue!
  
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  July 15, 2021 9:06am
- Frank the tank
  
  Slow can day again Brian? Don’t worry those pesky kids will be back in school next week.
  
  Until then – chin up champ
  
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  July 15, 2021 9:31am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Dick pics are not a great look for a National Candidate, but that was old news, one person, gone. Same with the weirdo posting pics of his ex girlfriend.
  Bad look. Yes, we know. Nobody would disagree.
  …But what on earth does it have to legitimising and funding the Mongrel Mod?
  …How does THAT make THIS look better?
  Childish in deflection.
  The Mongrel Mob should be actively resisted and opposed by the authorities rather than propped up and preened.
  
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  July 15, 2021 11:53am
R

Forget about the funding of the mob on ethical grounds, isn’t the mob fairly well-off? (Selling meth is big business.) Why is the Government funding an organisation that is well-off? Wouldn’t you fund organisations that actually need the money? I’m surprised the mob is happy to be dependent on government handouts. Not so mighty after all.
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July 15, 2021 8:38am
R

After Helen Clark’s shower-head moment, I’m surprised such a faux pas could happen. Helen clearly doesn’t converse with her protege as much as she should. 🙂
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July 15, 2021 8:40am
colina

Ardern signing off the funding for this nonsense confirms once and for all the myth that she is politically smart, the optics are appalling. Media savvy yes, a great spin artist, cunning, and deceitful there is no doubt.
Successful political operatives know that you must take the people with on policy. This move confirms that Ardern is driven almost exclusively by blind ideology, a road to political disaster.
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July 15, 2021 8:49am
oldfella

[duplicate]
Was Wiley Willie and the Maori caucus in the audience, ‘coughing’ to help Glorious Leader select the right answer? Right for them, anyway. /s
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/inside-the-who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-cheating-scandal/5W4WOLIOV4JWIUABZIUJLMCQ4Q/
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July 15, 2021 8:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

I thought I’d check as to what the Kahukura programme entails:

Kahukura is led by the Chaindogs, a cluster of Mob chapters affiliated to the Notorious chapter of the Mongrel Mob. Marae-based, it takes groups of 10 members, three times a year and attempts to wean them off the drug. It also supports their whanau during the process.

https://www.teaomaori.news/ban-government-funding-mongrel-mob-nats

so…30 folks/year attend the course
that works out to $916,666 per participant.

I reckon a better model would be to buy a house for each participant and their whanau (average house price in Flaxmere-Waipukurau = $500,000) and tell them that there’s another $50,000 each year that they stay out of the Court/Prison system).

Because I’m damn sure very little of $916,666 value will trickle down to the participants and whanau of the gang member.
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July 15, 2021 9:09am
- Frank the tank
  
  Are you telling me that mowing the bosses lawns, sleeping at the marae and pumping iron won’t solve meth addiction?
  
  We live in (little) Aotearoa now. New Zealand is dead. As is common sense, accountability and progress.
  
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  July 15, 2021 9:34am
- Yabster
  
  Hi Maggy
  
  think you have your figures wrong 30 @ 916,666 is $27m, 2.7m funding for 30 participants is $90k each- still a great earner for the mob.
  
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  July 15, 2021 9:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh heck, you’re right.
    
    The Programme is underfunded then…
    
    No wonder the poor souls are driven to seek solace in mind-altering drugs and a bit of stand-over thuggery.
    
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    July 15, 2021 11:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Wonder if Jaspinda knows or understands that the average NZ’er is getting right fucked off with her?
Or is she just too thick?
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July 15, 2021 9:31am
- Frank the tank
  
  Unfortunately Steve we are still in a minority. There are plenty of (little) Aotearoans that believe she is the second coming of Christ.
  
  You cannot reason with these people remembering they fall into 2 broad categories:
  
  1). Under 30, university educated and mostly without penis
  2). Over 50, retired with landed assets and mostly without penis.
  
  The first category will be purchasing tickets to the premier of They are Us; the second category have brought into the covid cult.
  
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  July 15, 2021 9:38am
- Yabster
  
  nope- she will have her huge team of spin doctors and pollsters doing the numbers – she knows but either she doesn’t care or the numbers aren’t as high as we think.
  
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  July 15, 2021 9:45am
- SmokerGuy
  
  Are they though? It’s amazing how many people still support Labour after all that has happened. I wonder how many just support them because National aren’t up to it at the moment. I’m picking they have a significant amount of very soft support that would collapse if the opposition can pull themselves together.
  
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  July 15, 2021 10:10am
  - Tall Man
    
    What on earth makes you think National aren’t up to it?
    
    How about you list the competent members of the labour government with real world commercial experience and ability then list the members of the National; caucus that have zero real world commercial experience.
    
    Isn’t that the thing you look for in an MP or are you still keen on piss and wind.
    
    While I’m unimpressed by some of the personal antics of some National MPs I still believe that as a team they are so far ahead of the present ship of fools that even a comparison is insulting.
    
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    July 15, 2021 3:18pm
BeaB

Sideswipe in the The Herald which usually has borrowed inanities from the internet and the hilarious mistakes those silly foreigners, especially Asians, make with English, today devotes half its space to Russell Brown running a cheer section for the PM. He expounds at length and in much detail about how the money isn’t going to the Mob at all. When even a lame fluff feature like Sideswipe starts to run government propaganda perhaps it’s time we saved money and just have a one party system. Or even the oligarchy that Jacinda is operating now.
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July 15, 2021 10:12am
kujira

********In breaking news********

PM has decided that the current nursing and mental health crises that have not gotten worse under her gubmint will be fixed by funding the Mongrel Mob.

Mongrel Mob will now look after mental health and in a shock move Black Power have also expressed an interest in helping in hospitals.

The Commancheros, sticking to their humanitarian background have also pledged to help with the crises.

In associated news we will be starting a new series soon titled “How to feed your family on Kindness” because we all know that when things get tight, hugz will get you through.

*****ends*******
(satire?)
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July 15, 2021 11:59am
ABS4EVA

I want to throw up.

Seriously I want to Puke.

The Woman is DISGUSTING

A god Damned Disgrace.

TAX MONEY FOR RAPISTS
MURDERERS and God Damned

Drug dealers and organised Crime

What a Farce What a sick pathetic joke
the Country is under these Communist Clowns

These Socialist nincompoops with their
Schemes and their scams and their shams

God Help all New Zealanders
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July 16, 2021 1:25am
- Nickc2
  
  Can’t fault a word you have said ABS4EVA.
  
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