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CJames

A lot of people, including me, have disparged electric cars as really being coal powered. Unfortunately, that is not correct. The thermal generation from coal is effectively maxed out and has been for some time. So the marginal supply, like more cars, is now being provided by the more expensive Methanex gas. The virtue signallers are now driving around on lost export earnings. This is topped up by diesel – which would normally be used by Hiluxes. We aren’t even into the peak demand period yet where unless we have a warm winter, get a lot heavy rain or if another reliable generator breaks down, things will get very hard.
I suppose we are supposed to be glad that it isn’t generated by denialists (the modern day kulak) on a treadmill.
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June 16, 2021 8:00am
Captain Mainwaring

The intrepid Paddy Gower painted a big target on his back last night.
I wonder how this will end up?
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June 16, 2021 8:02am
- Maggie Pie
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:13am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Ah the TV reporter with a face for radio…
  
  One can but hope
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:25am
  - sooty
    
    Would be better if the target was on the forehead, then it would cover up the face!
    
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    June 16, 2021 8:52am
- Frank the tank
  
  Do you honestly believe they were part of Sinaloa cartel? Bit players that are treated like mushrooms at best. Therefore we would be none the wiser is regards their true intentions in NZ
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:38am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Jared Savage suggested much the same in his recent book Ganglands, which is an excellent read.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:06am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Who would ever know. They may have just been actors.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:21am
- G152
  
  That lad has the face for the print industry
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:40am
- Inandout
  
  CM, I heard he was going to do a show on drugs via the radio. Ouch, if so he goes where no official would dare he may well experience the ‘Clinton Effect’.
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:00am
Loddenthinks

What a steaming pile of crap we’re being fed about the “Dawn Raids” which are still happening almost 50 years later – with good reason and to good effect.

It’s hard to know what it is about them that causes so much “trauma and inhumanity” according to “critics” who as far as I can tell are overstayers or their relatives, now demanding to be allowed to remain in New Zealand when they acknowledge they have no legal right to do so.

It’s as if they’re saying “Yes, you can come and arrest us, but only at hours of the day we find acceptable.” Immigration NZ said that they usually go and arrest the illegal overstayers between 7am and 9pm, but visits outside these hours (from 6am to 7am) are approved on a case-by-case basis.
1$uffed also lies when they state that most of the overstayers being arrested are Pasifika; however Immigration NZ stated that 31% of them were Asians, mostly overstaying their student visas, and that “Pacific nationals (Samoa, Tonga, Fiji Tuvalu and Kiribati) make up around a third of the total estimate.”

We now see what they really want, in compensation for the unforgivable sin of being arrested at a time they don’t like. Polynesian Panthers spokesman said “He felt a clear pathway for overstayers to remain legally in New Zealand was more appropriate and fitting, after the racism Pasifika faced at the hands of a Labour government.”

Here’s the news buddy, we don’t allow people to come here or live here illegally. if you accept that, then you have to accept the consequences. If you don’t accept that, get the hell out.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125444976/dawn-raids-of-overstayers-still-happening-despite-government-apology-to-pasifika
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June 16, 2021 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  Compare and contrast the Media Party treatment of this story to their glorying over the recent ( and ongoing) FBI / police stings against the ethno gangster drug pushers.
  
  First up the recent raids were done in the morning , surprise surprise , when the malcreants are in the pits .
  
  Second . I thought the wokesters were all for legalising all drugs to minimise harm . So why are the fascist racist cops raiding the ethno gangsters at unreasonable times to prevent the drug trade , and why are the Media party so happy for such action to go ahead.
  
  Last but not least , racism.
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:36am
- jon
  
  Ah you are naughty. You dare to speak the truth!!
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:44am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  All of this is absolutely correct but Police have limited resources and it has been asserted they used those resources to target Pacific overstayers and not white overstayers. People do not have a right to get away with breaking the law, but they do have a right not to be discriminated against by law enforcement.
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:50am
  - Nukuleka
    
    I note that you write ‘it has been asserted’. I’d like to see fact and proof first rather than assertion.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:23am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I’m not sure that’s the case, Nigel. In the early 1970s the (Labour, but to me that’s immaterial; it’s every government’s job to protect pour borders) government recognised it had a problem with large numbers of overstayers from the Pacific Islands. They took action to identify, arrest and deport those overstayers.
    
    If there had been a problem with large numbers of other ethnicities or nationalities overstaying, they may well have done the same, but we’ll never know because those visa-holders appear to have been predominantly law-abiding, and left before their visas expired.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:26am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      If I was woken up by Police raiding my house only because my family was of the same race as some other people suspected of law breaking, I might feel as if an injustice had occurred. Is that so unreasonable?
      
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      June 16, 2021 9:45am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        If you were law breaker who shouldn’t have been in NZ at that time you can have no complaint. The Police enforce the law as it is, not as you like.
        
        Overstayers have few rights and protection under NZ law. Not being citizens they are outsiders and cannot claim the rights and privilege conferred on citizens or those formally granted temporary residency. They lost their temporary rights when they decided to break the law and stay. Besides that, they have caused huge costs in enforcement.
        
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        June 16, 2021 10:19am
      - alloytoo
        
        Yes, once you think about it, it is.
        
        The police aren’t deliberately targeting you because of your race, though they may mis-identify or mis-target you if it coincides with that of their target.
        
        I’d be hacked off at the people who cause the police to look at your community in the first place.
        
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        June 16, 2021 10:29am
      - Nukuleka
        
        Read DG’s post of yesterday Nigel. PI communities and families protect overstayers as they move from one house to another, keeping a step ahead of INZ. Just because the overstayer isn’t there today doesn’t mean he wasn’t there yesterday or won’t be there tomorrow. Don’t be so naive.
        
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        June 16, 2021 10:34am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        “If I was woken up by Police raiding my house only because ~~my family was of the same race as some other people~~ I was suspected of law breaking, I might feel as if an injustice had occurred. Is that so unreasonable?”
        
        Yes.
        
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        June 16, 2021 11:03am
- artemisia
  
  Back in the day some, maybe many, of the overstayers will have been working. How many were working under the table? And not declaring income for tax and for other government transfers that rely on accurate household income being reported.
  
  Still happening today.
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:17am
- Nickc2
  
  but, but, but, they vote Labour! Whilst this may be the case, they shouldn’t be voting at all, they were and still are illegal immigrants.
  What’s the bet Cindy will grant them what they want?
  As an aside, will they be charged for using services and facilities only available to NZ citizens and permanent residents? Of course not, there’s no compassion shown in doing so.
  A couple of quick questions:
  1. Have they been paying taxes whilst here and if so, how did they get an IRD number and
  2. If their kids went to school here, did the education authorities do due diligence with regard to these kids entitlement to a free education?
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    Another question, how many of these illegal immigrants are living in State Houses?
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:27am
  - doggone7
    
    But they vote for Labour? There must be a helluva lot of them given the numbers of votes Labour got.
    
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    June 16, 2021 10:15am
    - Nickc2
      
      A great many of them must have voted more than once then. Never mind doggone7, you can rest assured Cindy won’t send them home. She needs all the votes she can get, illegal or not.
      
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      June 16, 2021 11:37am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You think there is a lot of illegal voting?
        
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        June 16, 2021 11:59am
      - Nickc2
        
        mikendmildagain@11:59AM
        Nobody has been able to prove me wrong so far. Do you intend to? I guess it depends on your definition of a ‘lot’.
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2020-police-probe-second-case-of-voter-fraud/UNXER2ABVMH5EJ24OXHZYIXZX4/
        
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        June 16, 2021 12:30pm
      - doggone7
        
        Based on raw numbers Act and National need them a lot more.
        
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        June 16, 2021 3:29pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Overstayers cannot vote in NZ.
    
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    June 16, 2021 11:56am
    - Nickc2
      
      I’m well aware of that Kev. Only NZ Citizens and Permanent Residents can legally vote in NZ. However, what’s stopping them applying for a voting application, ticking the boxes on it (there is no cross-check against name etc to birth records etc AFIK) and then voting. It depends on what advice they are given by their various churches I’m guessing.
      
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      June 16, 2021 12:04pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        A proof of ID is required to get on our voting rolls.
        
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        June 16, 2021 4:02pm
  - david
    
    It is also only relatively recently that DHB’s have started establishing the status of those clogging up the A&E with colds & sniffles, hence we are just getting a handle on the consumption of health services by those who have not contributed.
    
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    June 16, 2021 1:05pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Yes David, you are 100% correct. Just imagine what all that cash could be used for if it wasn’t used by DHBs for stuff it wasn’t intended for.
      The only people able to access free or subsidised health and disability services in NZ are: an NZ citizen or permanent resident. An Australian citizen or permanent resident who’s lived or intends to live in NZ for at least 2 years. A work visa holder who’s eligible to be here for 2 years or more.
      Do triage personnel check the eligibility of persons in NZ to free medical care? Not AFAIK.
      PS: There are a few countries that we have reciprocal agreements with whereby treatment is provided until such time as injured/sick person can return to their parent country for treatment.
      However, none of this stuff applies to illegal immigrants.
      
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      June 16, 2021 1:33pm
- yossarian
  
  Any chance of Nga Puhi apologising for taking all those slaves?
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:47am
  - Clyde
    
    No.
    
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    June 16, 2021 10:36am
Cassandra

South African rugby has signed a deal with the Six Nations. They’ll play in the European competitions from now on. No more Bulls, Stormers etc for us.
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June 16, 2021 8:05am
- Nickc2
  
  That means they are better placed to change the rules to suit their game.
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:30am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It makes perfect sense. It’s a shorter flight northwards, and South Africa and the UK are broadly in the same time zone. The only surprise is that it hasn’t happened sooner!
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:58am
  - SB2
    
    For once I agree with you.
    
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    June 16, 2021 11:54am
Bill Felt

I see the UK and Australia have agreed to a Free Trade Agreement. Well done to both, but where is New Zealand?

Why are we not at the head of the queue? Surely Wgth recognises that the FTA would be very good for our farmers (humour) and thus all of New Zealand. Are our indigenous requirements as set out by Mahuta still being negotiated?
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June 16, 2021 8:07am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The barcoded Wombat is working some convoluted metaphor between St George’s Dragon and the whatever lives in the creek thingy.
  
  Give her a week or two . . .
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:44am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    +1 for barcoded wombat
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:59am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I cribbed it from someone else here but it kind of resonates and, twat (I can think it but could not possibly say) seems a bit harsh . . .
      
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      June 16, 2021 3:34pm
- jon
  
  Watching Scomo on Sky News at Downing St demonstrates how fortunate Australia are to have a PM with such depth.
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:49am
  - sooty
    
    Scomo went hard and early, while cindy and robbo were still in bed!
    
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    June 16, 2021 8:57am
    - Ruahine
      
      Together?
      
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      June 16, 2021 9:24am
- Frank the tank
  
  We’ll be next and like Australia have phased in agricultural exports that will have lots of ‘niggly’ rules with the ever looming “green carbon” taxes hanging over our heads.
  
  We’ll do Ok out of it although it’s likely that it will likely mean A LOT of pounds flooding our property market as I’d be surprised if the Brits would go along with it without the ability for direct capital investment into NZ landed assets.
  
  Of course the feckless ones won’t have a clue regarding the finer details as they can only read and decipher in crayon.
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:54am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I believe Damien O’Çonnor is over there about to present our case.
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:24am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Well I’m reassured /sarc
    
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    June 16, 2021 10:00am
    - sooty
      
      Might as well have sent Phill Twyford!
      He could have had a junket, before he retires!
      
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      June 16, 2021 10:44am
- Nickc2
  
  Speaking of the Taniwha Lady, we haven’t heard of her for a while. Has she been sent on an overseas junket to study indigenous sand generation in the Sahara until the heat from the He Puapua report can be obfuscated?
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:36am
- Paulus
  
  Our Minister is still on a plane to the UK behind every ball that has been thrown.
  Oh Cindy why cant you keep your mouth closed in such matters and leave it to the professionals.
  Well done Scotty -you can tell Cindy when she goes to Australia shortly – once she has been vaccinated twice or quarantined first.
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:18am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    And of course, he’s missing Fieldays, the largest agricultural show and gathering place of farmers in the world. He’s sent Stuart Nash to deputise for him, but I can’t imagine the urbane Nashie going down well with farmers.
    
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    June 16, 2021 11:00am
    - Frank the tank
      
      I heard there is over 20 Labour MPs going? Why?
      
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      June 16, 2021 11:11am
      - Paulus
        
        I thought I heard that our Cindy was going or will she do it on Skype as she will not be very welcome again.
        
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        June 16, 2021 1:49pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Bill, Mahuta is taking her time because she has to contact all the different counties Morris Dancers to ensure that the Taniwha has someone to have a spiritual connection with.
  
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  June 16, 2021 12:03pm
Cinematic

Prediction: worst flu season in 100 years upon reopening of the borders next year.
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June 16, 2021 8:08am
- Frank the tank
  
  Prediction: The borders won’t be open.
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:54am
- krazykiwi
  
  The borders won’t be opened next year. Ardern’s brand is 100% pegged to saaaaaving us, and any change to our hermit-like kingdom represents a threat to her rulership ambitions. No, just like the UK, those elected to serve us will instead serve to us a continuous stream of fearmongering lies to keep us meekly compliant.
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:04am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I predict the borders will magically reopen in time for an influx of tourist dollars before the 2023 election.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:31am
    - Nickc2
      
      The only reason left for tourists to come here would be to witness our rapid transition from prosperity to poverty under a modern-day socialist Govt.
      
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      June 16, 2021 9:41am
      - doggone7
        
        Would-be tourists can simply read in far flung posts of the parlous state of the country. It’s depicted in the pessimistic, woebegone, miserable, doomsayer online forums.
        
        The only tricky bit for them would be judging whether “the end is nigh, Venezuela here we come” talk has anything to do with reality or is merely irrational, inconsolable grief that the wrong party won the election. In a landslide.
        
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        June 16, 2021 10:27am
      - Paulus
        
        Doubt if any tourists will visit Rotovegas in the foreseeable future as there are no empty motels and it is considered unwise to venture out too far even during the daylight hours let alone later.
        
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        June 16, 2021 10:30am
      - Nickc2
        
        doggone7@10:27AM
        Sorry, I reported you by mistake.
        However, they did not win the election so to say. They were gifted an election by NZ1st and the second was gifted due to an epidemic.
        IMO, whoever was in power during the epidemic was going to win the next election hands-down, regardless. If the Nats had been in power, I’m picking they would have won the next election by an even greater margin.
        It’s something none of us will ever know for sure.
        
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        June 16, 2021 11:47am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Perhaps. It would need to coincide with a mysterious supply-chain failure resulting in no PCR tests being available, or a reduction the Ct cycle count to 10-15.
      
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      June 16, 2021 9:47am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Depends on whether the covid cult is still hanging in there. It shows no signs of abating therefore let’s call it a 50/50 chance at best.
      
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      June 16, 2021 11:14am
cmm

Due to the recent history of Christchurch, the holding a counter terrorism hui here would of course conflate terrorism and the mosque shootings.

Of course we’d end up with a whole lot of activism and pro-Islamic bent. Screw what’s real and what are the real threats – emotional hysteria takes over.

Holding a counter-terrorism hui in Christchurch was a very dumb thing to do, unless they were hoping for exactly what they’re getting.
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June 16, 2021 8:09am
- Im Right
  
  But CMM, it gives a platform for Golritz and Marama to once again say all white men are supremists.
  The environmental party again taking stage to talk about anything but the environment.
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:19am
  - MCos
    
    Hyperbole alert
    
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    June 16, 2021 8:52am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Perhaps you could explain how the mosque shootings were not terrorism and were not ‘real threats’.
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:21am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Most counter-terrorism strategies are useless against a genuine lone wolf attacker. Once the police didn’t vet his firearms licence application properly, the chance to stop him was gone.
    
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    June 16, 2021 8:53am
    - sooty
      
      Who knows, maybe if he did not get the gun permit, he might have left!
      
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      June 16, 2021 8:59am
  - Dougal10
    
    I struggle to accept that lonewolf nut job shootings fit into the definition of terrorism as terrible as they are.
    
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    June 16, 2021 8:59am
    - Crisplion
      
      Actually I think it’s accurate to call Tarrant a terrorist. I read his deranged manifesto before it was banned, which made clear that the main motivation for his murderous actions was to start a race war. A politically motivated mass killing seems to fit the definition of terrorism to me.
      
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      June 16, 2021 10:05am
      - septic skeptic
        
        The best definition of Tarant is simply a racist. But given that the current usage of the term now makes that a synonym for pakeha – it no longer really fits.
        
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        June 16, 2021 10:24am
      - Fidel Cashflow
        
        Of course Tarrant’s motivation was political: a response to the political policy of mass immigration into the West. Calling it purely “hate” just allows the uncomfortable questions to be avoided.
        
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        June 16, 2021 11:37am
      - Fidel Cashflow
        
        septic
        He shot one White woman as well. It wouldn’t have mattered if there had been 20 White people in that prayer room, they still would have been just as dead as the Arabs who lost their lives.
        
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        June 16, 2021 11:39am
      - SB2
        
        Fidel Cashflow, and what exactly are those uncomfortable questions are you posit?
        
        The fact that Tarrant targeted the two Mosques and not Christian churches etc speaks volumes
        
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        June 16, 2021 12:00pm
      - Fidel Cashflow
        
        SB2
        You’ve answered your own question, albeit accidentally. This also shows that it wasn’t an act of racism. Like it or not, the Western world is fundamentally founded in Christianity, not in Islam, which is mostly antithetical to Christianity, as the historic antagonism between adherents of the two doctrines demonstrates.
        
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        June 16, 2021 12:27pm
  - cmm
    
    These huis etc should be forward looking at what current and future threats are – not at anomalous past events.
    
    It is statistically unlikely that the next terrorist attack in NZ is going to be either in Christchurch or “rightwing extremists”.
    
    Holding the hui in Christchurch does not bring any more facts or rational discussion to bear. In fact it does the opposite: it is all emotional.
    
    As I said, all it does is conflates terror threats with the mosque shooting and pushes emotional buttons – exactly as has happened to you in the statement you made.
    
    Making these into sob-fests is counterproductive because it gets in the way of proper thinking.
    
    Sure, grieving is important, but this was not the place for grieving.
    
    Unfortunately exactly the same happened in the Royal Commission into the Chch EQ. Instead of being a meeting where people (mainly engineers etc) could talk about what broke and learn from the exercise to reduce breakage next time, it got hijacked for poi waving and dozens of people making emotional submissions about how Bob would never play with his grandkids etc etc.
    
    Sure, there is a time for grieving and emotion, but it should not hijack events that are purported as technical/informational events.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:01am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Exactly
      
      If one of this Government’s key aims over the last two years was to make this country safer, to ensure such an attack won’t happen again, it’s not clear, to some at least, what it is doing to achieve this.
      
      Prime Minister Ardern said yesterday: “Today we come together to listen, to learn and to share – both our knowledge and our experiences.”
      
      However, most of the listening was done by the survivors of the terror attack, and it’s unclear what was learned. The conference felt like something designed by those in Wellington, and imposed on Christchurch without much local input.
      
      It would be easy to get demoralised. “We aren’t being listened to,” Danzeisen says.
      
      https://www.newsroom.co.nz/behind-tensions-at-the-terror-hui
      
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      June 16, 2021 9:14am
      - cmm
        
        Never confuse stated aims with their true objectives.
        
        Anyone with an ounce of common sense would figure out that Christchurch is exactly the wrong place to try to have a conference on future terrorism threats.
        
        It it, however, the perfect place to have an emotional “hui” that helps elevate #CinD4UN!
        
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        June 16, 2021 10:13am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Cindi for UN or “White Saviour”? The adulation has gotten blasphemous.
        https://www.rt.com/op-ed/526652-jacinda-ardern-film-christchurch-shooting/
        
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        June 16, 2021 12:03pm
  - Happychappy
    
    I’m not a clever dick like you Milky but when does a lone wolf’s actions become terrorism and if the Minister had have revoked his application for gun Licenses this maybe would not of happened. You have to remember I could call you a wanker which is my opinion but the mods might not like that term and reject it. I hate what happened and I definitely hate what Labour and the Prime Minister have done in using a tragedy to keep gathering votes at the expense of those that were killed.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:20am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      His actions were explicitly terrorism – he was trying to spark a race war, and he pleaded guilty to terrorism.
      
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      June 16, 2021 11:36am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Much like the innumerable “lone wolves” sporting “mental health issues” that are of course in no way Islamist terrorists or representative of that ideology, perish the thought.
        
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        June 16, 2021 12:25pm
  - Fidel Cashflow
    
    Tarrant was an aberration, an extreme exception to the rule. They want to crush hard-won freedoms based only on ones dissenting political opinion and to target all White males as potential terrorists using this aberration as the pretext. It is they and their draconian and scapegoating approach who are “radicalising” people.
    
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    June 16, 2021 11:27am
    - SB2
      
      And Anders Brevik another one?
      
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      June 16, 2021 12:06pm
      - Fidel Cashflow
        
        Yes. Two aberrations nearly a decade apart. Even if the figure is 10 such cases, two (or 10) White people is an infinitesimal proportion of all White people, yet we are being invited to believe that White terrorism is more of a threat than Muslim terrorism, or of Black violent crimes in the States, for instance.
        
        The proposed measures to counteract White extremism far outweigh any actual threat. They involve upending the social and political order. We are supposed to believe that this is all being suggested as a means of societal “self-defence,” yet anyone with eyes and ears and who is armed with the facts can tell you that it is the inverse, and instead is an offensive against Whites.
        
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        June 16, 2021 12:38pm
    - MCos
      
      What’s the rule he was an exception to as far as terrorists go?
      I can think of only three acts of terrorism in recent NZ history, Rainbow Warrior & Trades Hall bombing being the others.
      Some might dispute those or want to add others.
      There is little commonality between them.
      
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      June 16, 2021 1:39pm
      - Batman
        
        The little Aussie bastard is a terrorist, no ifs or buts in my own view.
        
        Also the woman who held up an air NZ flight but I think she was mostly mentally ill?
        
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        June 16, 2021 1:49pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        You forget the bomb sent to lawyer James Ward in Dunedin in 1962.
        
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        June 16, 2021 3:59pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The 1951 Huntly Rail Bridge dynamiting
        https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/40383440
        
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        June 16, 2021 4:55pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Yep, I see the narrative hijacking is well underway – outraged followers of the Religion of Peace walking out of the blab-fest “after “hurtful” comments about the Israel-Palestine conflict.”
  
  By hurtful they mean “reasonable, accurate and timely” – no discussion about terrorism should omit the terrorist organisations Hamas and Hezbollah, and Juliet Moses rightly called out support for these scumbags in her speech.
  
  TVNZ, in their usual balanced way, said “In her speech, Moses labelled the military wings of Hezbollah and Hamas as “prescribed terror organisations in New Zealand”.”
  
  That’s not labelling, it’s stating a fact. A bit like labelling legislation as laws, or Menendez March as an idiot.
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:33am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    Much as I agree with your comment, I doubt that Moses, or even TVNZ, thinks Hezbollah & Hamas are prescribed in NZ.
    
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- MCos
  
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  It was the National Counter Terrorism Hui.
  That is it pertained to terrorism in NZ. The NZ Islamic Council took exception to the representative from the Jewish organization broaching the subject of Israel’s problems with the Palestinians.
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:41am
  - rangitoto
    
    They took exception to her criticising the local support for Hamas.
    
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    June 16, 2021 8:54am
    - MCos
      
      If the Jewish Org of NZ wants to discuss the problem in Israel why was their representative speaking at meeting about the terrorism threat threat in NZ.
      The mosque attacks in Chch could’ve happened to a synagogue in NZ.
      I’m guessing here, but I’d say whoever may have been expressing support for Hamas at some protest years ago in Auckland is no more a potential terrorist than the people who yell abuse at Muslims or whoever in the streets.
      
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      June 16, 2021 1:56pm
  - cmm
    
    Of course understanding how terrorism is handled by others makes sense.
    
    If this was a brain surgery convention, then it would make sense hearing from someone who knows how brain surgery is done overseas.
    
    Israel deals with massive amounts of terrorism and still get on with life and have a booming economy.
    
    What does not make sense is to turn this into a venue for activists. People who are victims of terrorism are not automatically experts on how to prevent terrorism. Emotion interferes with clear thought.
    
    To use my brain surgery convention analogy again – when discussing new brain surgery techniques etc we don’t need a bunch of people with brain tumours demanding to have their say and overrunning a technical discussion with emotional sob stories about their condition.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:19am
    - SB2
      
      cmm, a nasty post if there is ever was one!
      
      1982 Beirut massacre still haunts survivors
      Witnesses to one of the bloodiest massacres in modern history tell their stories of horror
      
      https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/1982-beirut-massacre-still-haunts-survivors/1975532
      
      Lest we forget!
      
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      June 16, 2021 12:08pm
      - cmm
        
        Nothing nasty in what I said at all.
        
        People are entitled to their grief, and to express it. But a conference on fixing the problems is not the place for it.
        
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        June 16, 2021 1:33pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Don’t lie, MCos. Juliet Moses was talking about the promotion and support in New Zealand of a proscribed terrorist organization.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:28am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Juliet Moses was trying to conflate a march in support of Palestinians with support for terrorism.
      
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      June 16, 2021 11:38am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Palestinians themselves are terrorists. Formerly Bedouin marauders, now the settled Saud family. ~~Peaceful?~~
        Who cares about Yemen?
        
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        June 16, 2021 12:08pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Bullshit Mike. She was criticising support for Hezbollah
        
        https://mobile.twitter.com/JulietMosesNZ/status/1404768958335512578?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
        
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        June 16, 2021 12:29pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Since when has something small and insignificant like the truth mattered to mikenmild?
        
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        June 16, 2021 12:31pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        “ I never mentioned Israel or Palestine. I expressed concern about a 2018 Hezbollah rally on Queen St.”
        
        Bullshit Mike. She was criticising support for Hezbollah
        
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        June 16, 2021 12:31pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        This march? The pro-Hezbollah (a proscribed terrorist organisation) march? That march?
        
        https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1806/S00121/nz-jews-welcome-condemnation-of-pro-hezbollah-demo.htm
        
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        June 16, 2021 12:35pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Can someone explain why it’s a “hui”. Another example of Aotearoan (i.e. pidgin english)?
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:55am
  - cmm
    
    If it was a convention or a conference then people would have higher expectations for the outcomes and accepted behaviour.
    
    Calling it a hui means anything goes.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:22am
    - Frank the tank
      
      LOL I like that answer
      
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      June 16, 2021 11:15am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Where?
      
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      June 16, 2021 12:09pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Hui in their right mind would expect an outcome any different to what we’re getting?
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:31am
  - crikey
    
    Events such as this one ought to be conducted in an official New Zealand language (perhaps two if sign language is required). Minglish isn’t one of them.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:32am
    - oldfella
      
      If we’re pushing Te Reo in this country, why don’t Maori also have their own sign language?
      Expecting them to understand that whitey signing is racist, bro. I’m sure the Maori party is on to it.
      
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      June 16, 2021 12:38pm
  - Bob
    
    ‘Hui’ is Te Reo speak for that long used English word, directed at people who are talking inconsequential meaningless drivel….stop talking “Hooey’.
    Readers probably will need to have been educated in the 1950,s era to understand this term.
    We stopped teaching comprehension some time in the 1970’s, definitely so following the ‘Tomorrows Schools Programme’ of that buffoon Lange.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:37am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      This Announcement Government is all hui and no do-ey. Remember the Year of Delivery? It was such a success that Grant Robertson has had to appoint himself as the Minister for Making Shit Happen, although we all now that will likely fail as well.
      
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      June 16, 2021 9:44am
    - Nickc2
      
      Well said Bob!
      
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      June 16, 2021 9:52am
    - rjay
      
      I thought hooey was a transliteration of hui but upon checking the origin it turns out hooey is an American word. Etymology is unknown but one source notes that the word sounds the same as the Russian word for “penis”.
      
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      June 16, 2021 10:48am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        the word sounds the same as the Russian word for “penis”.
        
        yes,
        
        хуй
        In the pejorative sense
        like Prick!, dick! cock!
        
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        June 16, 2021 11:40am
    - doggone7
      
      “We stopped teaching comprehension some time in the 70s”?
      
      Which means I guess all those 40 years old or less didn’t have the advantage of learning comprehension. My pick is that there’s a lot of dumb stuff comes from those over 40 who were advantaged by being taught comprehension.
      
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      June 16, 2021 3:34pm
- oldfella
  
  cmm, am I the only one getting tired of local Muslims crying racism and calling for harsh hate speech laws to stop people saying unkind things about them?
  Islam is a religion, not a race so to criticise them cannot be ‘racist’.
  
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  June 16, 2021 11:15am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    When they swear to stop trying to remove all the Christians peace may return.
    
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    June 16, 2021 12:12pm
    - oldfella
      
      Kev, and the Jews.
      
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      June 16, 2021 12:39pm
- Philview
  
  The Ngai Tahu hui happened as well. Jacinda couldn’t get there because of fog but many Labour bigwigs were there. I bet some interesting conversations took place.
  
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  June 16, 2021 2:38pm
  - RockyJ
    
    For sure. You can guarantee the phrases “benefit for all of New Zealand” or “how can Maori contribute?” were never uttered.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:03pm
Yvette

The Christchurch individual
“He sought many things from his act of terror, but one was notoriety – that is why you will never hear me mention his name,” Ms Ardern said in an emotional address at New Zealand’s parliament.

From the Royal Commission Inquiry into the terrorist attack March 15, 2019 –
2 The terrorist attack was carried out by Brenton Harrison Tarrant, who has since been convicted of terrorism, the murder of 51 people and attempted murder of 40 people. He is now serving a sentence of life imprisonment without parole. We generally refer to him in our report as “the individual”. His name will not appear again.
… and it doesn’t – in another 798 pages.

“In a mirror of New Zealand’s own approach, during the film the gunman is never shown and his name is never spoken. – Ayman Jamal, “They Are” Us producer, outlining movie script

Speaks for itself – or perhaps it doesn’t

I understand Tarrant is allowed to watch HGTV – home renovations, gardening, and hopefully nothing as violent as main-stream cooking programmes, like anything starring Gordon Ramsay – but not television news, so I would like (admittedly uncharitable) to actually see a prison staff member tell the individual, “They making a film of what you did …” let him take that in for a moment, and then hit him with, “… but you’re not in it“
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June 16, 2021 8:20am
KevO'Brien

Too much Te Reo. So called “partnership” getting in the way of govt. When councillors can’t understand they may as well adopt NZ sign language. Sensible South Islanders reject the farce.
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/report-complaining-about-use-te-reo-maori-rejected
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June 16, 2021 8:21am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  He’s whining about having to listen to a powhiri and a mihi…
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:25am
  - kowtow
    
    No he wanted to be able to be included in what was going on. I’d say proper governance must provide that.
    
    ‘Mr Peat has called for all Maori content to be translated.’
    
    The real danger is the response from officialdom , who have no knowledge of the treaty and /or who have an agenda to promote it beyond its original scope.
    
    ‘‘The board member is entitled to his views, but as chief executive I must also manage the DCC’s relationship with mana whenua as our Treaty partners,’’ Ms Graham said.
    
    ‘‘Put simply, I was not prepared to allow the report to form part of the DCC’s official record.
    
    ‘‘That would have given it a status and mana it did not deserve.’’
    
    And
    
    ‘‘Pakeha New Zealanders play an important role in upholding their side of the Treaty partnership and advocating for stronger Treaty relationships,’’ Mr Hawkins said.
    
    ‘‘This includes the local government sector, which should lead by example.’’
    
    But put simply , there is no partnership.
    
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    June 16, 2021 8:46am
    - sooty
      
      Te reo speech, English translation.
      Everyone gone to sleep
      
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      June 16, 2021 9:03am
    - igm
      
      kowtow:
      “Pakeha New Zealanders play an important role” should maybe read:
      “Pakeha New Zealanders PAY an important role”!
      
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      June 16, 2021 9:41am
    - alloytoo
      
      “Pakeha” is hate speech.
      
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      June 16, 2021 10:35am
      - Dougal10
        
        James shaw hates farmers and the other day he was ranting about pakeha farmers so I agree it is a hate word.
        
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        June 16, 2021 11:41am
      - Nickc2
        
        That’s a good start.
        
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        June 16, 2021 12:06pm
    - Fidel Cashflow
      
      It’s not really a partnership, in principle nor in practice. Tell me what Maori actually contribute to this so-called partnership. It seems to me as though they just greedily take with both hands, are ungrateful for it, and then they ask for even more.
      
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      June 16, 2021 11:52am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Without those formal requirements it is an obnoxious imposition. How can govt be effected when people can’t understand the papers presented for attention? How foolish can this country get?
      
      We can never be obliged to use or know an obsolete lingo attributed to a bunch of boat arrivals c. 1300. It may have worked for them in their pa and to describe kumara planting but is largely useless in the 21st century. It may hold important historical matters for Maori but that’s their concern. They lost a lot through their own divisiveness when they had to call on Queen Victoria to prevent their massacre. We gained occupancy and settler rights but they gained much more: the right of continue existence.
      
      We have lived together largely harmoniously but in recent years the wiser elders have gone and young activists are very foolishly seeking their warrior roots again. There is plenty here for all but not if we torn in half.
      
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      June 16, 2021 4:17pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    I would as well.
    
    Another example of Aotearoan (i.e. pidgin English) intermingled with woketard 101. Surprised they didn’t force all councilors onto 1 knee to show solidarity……
    
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    June 16, 2021 8:59am
  - Dougal10
    
    He should probably just switch off to it like I do , It’s a great skill learned from having kids that wont stop talking
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:03am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Mike, and if he was, it would be the correct thing to do. To start meetings with stone age ceremony is nonsense, and only intellectual pygmies would do it. Bet they don’t start with a christian or islamic prayer.
    
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    June 16, 2021 12:07pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Too right.
    
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    June 16, 2021 12:13pm
- MCos
  
  It’s the bagpipes I can’t abide.
  
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  June 16, 2021 8:48am
- curry4me
  
  KevO’Brien: At the bottom of the article, there was a bit saying ‘our ‘journalists’ are your neighbours … I wonder if that would drop the value of one’s house somewhat?
  
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  June 16, 2021 5:23pm
Happychappy

I hope Trade Minister Damian Damian O’Conner has done his homework in pushing for a trade deal with the UK as Australia have achieved theirs early this morning.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-agrees-historic-trade-deal-with-australia#:~:text=The%20new%20Free%20Trade%20Agreement,million%20people%20across%20the%20country.
The funny thing about this is Labours usual answers when asked and like COVID-19 was we are at the top of the queue,so let’s hope we don’t get let down by more of Labours rhetoric instead of substance.
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June 16, 2021 8:23am
- rouppe
  
  I wouldn’t put it past Scott Morrison to have a clause that gets them preferential access for a period of time, especially with agriculture
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:16am
  - cmm
    
    And why not?
    All leaders should be trying to get the best deal for the people of their country.
    Ours should too.
    
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    June 16, 2021 9:25am
- Paulus
  
  Why is this Australian good win not shown anywhere in today’s Media except on early Mike Hoskins show.
  What are they ashamed of or just doing what they are paid to do by Ardern – who will ignore it of course.
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:39am
KevO'Brien

All you wanted to know about the Spike Protein in humans. (It’s a bad puka.)
Technical and extended from a Dr who has an interest in natural remedies but who is also a State of Illinois Licensed Physician and Surgeon.
https://noqreport.com/2021/06/14/dr-mercola-explains-dr-bridles-bombshell-revelations-regarding-spike-proteins-from-vaccines/
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June 16, 2021 8:27am
- krazykiwi
  
  The spike protein (a ‘spicule’) does not remain at the injection site as once believed. We have learned that the spike protein can potentially enter the plasma (blood stream) and systemically circulates and travels to the spleen, bone marrow, liver, adrenal glands, with elevated concentration in the ovaries.
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:14am
- krazykiwi
  
  I would hazard a guess that none of your downtickers read the article you linked to.
  
  They should.
  
  Some extracts:
  
  Standard studies designed to assess these [genotoxicity and reproductive toxicity] were not performed in compliance with accepted empirical research standards. Furthermore, in key studies designed to test whether the vaccine remains near the injection site or travels throughout the body, Pfizer did not even use the commercial vaccine (BNT162b2) but instead relied on a ‘surrogate’ mRNA producing the luciferase protein.
  :::
  The author, Pankaj Prasun, points out that the virus’ impact on mitochondria helps explain why COVID-19 is so much deadlier for older people, the obese, and those with diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease.
  
  All of these risk factors have something in common: They’re all associated with mitochondrial dysfunction. If your mitochondria are already dysfunctional, the SARS-CoV-2 virus can more easily knock out more mitochondria, resulting in severe illness and death.
  :::
  Because the synthetic mRNA in the vaccine has been programmed to instruct your cells to produce an unnatural, genetically engineered spike protein. Specific alterations make it far more toxic than that found on the virus itself. Mikovits goes so far as to call the spike protein a bioweapon, as it is a disease-causing agent that demolishes innate immunity and exhausts your natural killer (NK) cells’ ability to determine which cells are infected and which aren’t.
  
  I’m amazed that so many people accept the MSM as source of authority before begging to get their ‘vaccination’. There is clearly much, much more happening behind the scenes as competent medical professionals are beginning to uncover evidence of net harm.
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:45am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Pharma are also now acknowledging that the spike protein does migrate through body and claiming it was an oversight. They new it was toxic but expected it to be well behaved. Duh.
    
    Are the media being too cosy with the moneyed controllers? See this:
    
    https://basedunderground.com/2021/06/15/blackrock-and-vanguard-the-same-shady-people-own-big-pharma-and-the-media/
    
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    June 16, 2021 12:23pm
- Sacha
  
  puka ?
  define please.
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:15am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Book.
    
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    June 16, 2021 11:54am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Kiwi: bugger!
    
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    June 16, 2021 12:15pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Sometimes used as puketifinau– buggered if I know.
      Kiwiana c. 1950–?
      
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      June 16, 2021 12:24pm
Maggie Pie

WATCH

Mexican drug lord tels Paddy Gower…..
“Sinaloa Cartel have one contact in New Zealand who works for them and they tell him what to do”

Surely Rebecca’s all over this like spice-mix on a Taco.

https://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1404735445833900033
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June 16, 2021 8:34am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… I did wonder how many of Paddys scoop interviews were just actors in NZ acting it out.
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:08am
  - oldfella
    
    Richardo? Is that you doing the ‘cod’ Mexican accent? /s
    
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    June 16, 2021 11:21am
Simon

$700 million cycle way for entitled wankers from Grey Lynn and Ponsonby.

Its now a funny money RBNZ economy. House prices show this. Labo are too thick to really organize this shit. They are along for the ride.

Who really is in charge? Unelected technocrats.
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June 16, 2021 8:37am
- Frank the tank
  
  It won’t be $700m – they’ll be lucky to build it for under $1.5b.
  
  Whose really in charge – fuck knows. Probably Steamboat Willy Jackson and Angry Andy…….I wonder which one of these Peewee Wood is friends with.
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:09am
  - zulumonster
    
    Absolutely – just after they start there will be a discovery that the ground around the bridge piles is a “little damper than originally modelled in our Powerpoint presentation” … and it will escalate from there!
    
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    June 16, 2021 11:35am
- Tony Stuart
  
  And who’s going to be the big loser out of this? All of us, who live in provincial or rural areas, who are just going to have to put up with potholes, unsealed roads and reduced speed limits for a few more years.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/rural-roads-may-suffer-as-transport-funding-hole-opens/RZRS3BY6YPRNC5S4K32TVE4NQQ/
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:13am
- cmm
  
  How many of the Grey Lynners than thumbs-up this bridge are actually going to use it.
  
  I reckon that everyone that thinks it is a good idea should be forced to use it at least 50 times a year.
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:28am
Maggie's partner

Interesting to note the flexing of Islamic muscle in NZ right now.

The rejection of the movie – by demanding rather than suggestion.

The denial of Hamas and Hezbollah’s military wings as terrorist organistions – by walkout rather than debate.

The emergence on social media of some very radical views from young Muslims in NZ.

Of course being perched atop the moral high ground is a marvellous platform for such behaviour.

I find it mildly concerning.
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- Paulus
  
  More than mildly concerning – downright frightening if you really draw a conclusion with more UN Manus and other refugee imports now on their way.
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:44am
- oldfella
  
  If you see some of those radical ideas on social media, maybe post them here for us all to see.
  
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  June 16, 2021 11:23am
- SB2
  
  Maggie’s partner, deal with your mild bout of paranoia
  
  A march in support of Palestinians rights a support for Hamas and Hezbollah?
  
  Rubbish!
  
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  June 16, 2021 12:15pm
  - Maggie's partner
    
    I know the S stands for stupid, but what does the B stand for?
    
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    June 16, 2021 1:41pm
- Ruawai
  
  I was on a plane this week with 2 Maori women and one Maori man all Muslims, as soon as they got off their flight straight outside for a fag.
  
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  June 16, 2021 1:26pm
Maggie Pie

MENACED BY STATE POWER 🙁

Could we see this here?

Watch what happens when young Aussie journo is arrested by NSW Police for allegedly calling the NSW Deputy Premier John Barilar0 ‘corrupt’…..Scary Stuff!

https://youtu.be/OXtq4a8829g
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June 16, 2021 8:52am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  It has been a sick joke for several decades now, that;
  “NSW has the best police force that money can buy.”
  That video is nauseating, but thank you for bringing it to our attention.
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:23am
  - oldfella
    
    Tauhei, I thought Queensland held that dubious honour. Or was the State of Origin?
    
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    June 16, 2021 11:25am
Simon

Cindy is good with the sound bites.

Her “Life or Deaf” sound bite over the climate change rubbish is a good recent e,g. It gives MSM a headline they can use to push her shit and she gets to frame the narrative.

National cant compete against this shit because ideologically in part they are welded to man made climate fraud but mainly they cant get past the emotional appeal to the sheep vote that Cindy makes.
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June 16, 2021 8:52am
- Paulus
  
  You do a disservice to those sheep who are decidedly, by analysis, the women of New Zealand.
  There is symbiosis between Ardern and the women voters so do not expect much if any change.
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:47am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Except, Cinders has failed to deliver. Feelings are no palliative for rising grocery prices or lack of housing.
    Daily I’m sensing increased concern about this govt’s management ability.
    
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    June 16, 2021 12:29pm
- hilaryt
  
  Big-time correct.
  
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  June 16, 2021 12:27pm
MCos

I see the government has bailed on the America’s Cup.
Good job.
I enjoyed watching the last one on tv and I expect the next one will be on tv, which is about as close as the vast majority of people will get to seeing any of the squillions of dosh the extravaganza costs.
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June 16, 2021 9:01am
- cmm
  
  Team NZ is now turning down $100M of taxpayer money and seem to be wanting 200M. Astounding.
  
  I can understand hand outs to a fledgling industry, but NZ boat building and yacht making is sought after from around the world. They do not need any hand outs and it is ridiculous giving them anything.
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:58am
  - Sacha
    
    million, schmillion – at least the America Cup event is a tangible outcome of the money invested.
    The government sprays money around ‘researching’ all sorts of projects that never seem to eventuate and
    I bet the Cup contributes more to the NZ economy than any number of vote-gathering schemes that the government dreams up.
    
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    June 16, 2021 10:26am
    - cmm
      
      “invested” is a word trotted out to mean we get a huge payback.
      
      Let’s be honest and call it what it is: “spent”.
      
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      June 16, 2021 10:53am
    - Nickc2
      
      Agree. What about all that cash dished out to so-called academics for meaningless studdies. That easily tops $200m.
      
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      June 16, 2021 12:17pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Let’s just divert funding from the cycle bridge.
    
    Sailing is much more eco friendly.
    
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    June 16, 2021 10:40am
Maggy Wassilieff

Difficult Question of the Day

Who do you believe?
1. Our Dear PM
Jacinda Ardern criticises new biography, saying author misled her

2. Co-Author Carl Harte
He said Ardern’s office was aware the book’s framing had changed to biography, saying that in January, Vani had “informed the prime minister’s office of our intention to publish our biography of Jacinda Ardern, and shared the cover”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/jacinda-ardern-biography-criticism-leading-with-empathy-new-zealand
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June 16, 2021 9:07am
- Frank the tank
  
  “I absoludly refude that”
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:10am
Benedict Yu

Toyota really gave jacinda a serve. It is a devastating critique of the clown circus EV rebate.

“The range and volumes of EV’s needed to meet demand are simply not available, and many customers still need a vehicle to transport their family or operate their business.”

“Battery electric technology is coming but is not quite there yet.”

Toyota has sold 23,257 hybrid vehicles in the past five years.
In the same period, it sold just under 5300 EVs – 45 percent of which were in the “luxury market”.

He said it’s “irresponsible” to suggest customers should immediately stop buying non-electric vehicles.

He goes on…

“Hybrid technology is more readily available and is significantly more affordable for everyday Kiwis.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/clean-car-package-toyota-new-zealand-shuts-down-jacinda-ardern-s-claim-company-is-talking-about-bringing-in-ev-utes.html

What did she expect? She told people to stop buying utes and buy electric ones that don’t exist.
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June 16, 2021 9:10am
rouppe

USA the same as north Korea for brainwashing.

And it’s coming here
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June 16, 2021 9:13am
Maggie Pie

And just found this dikhead was following me on Twitter….

So I blocked him immediately.

https://twitter.com/Mailmanfb/status/1404560157925810176
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June 16, 2021 9:20am
- JibberJabber
  
  Stewys’ a bit special in’t he?
  
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  June 16, 2021 9:53am
lifesgood

Mike Hosking hit the nail on the head this morning regarding electric cars when he reminded listeners of what was to be the great hope of fuel consumption by way of gas tanks in the boot. I think it was in answer to the fuel embargo from the middle east. Anyone remember those abominations? What happened to them? Could electric cars suffer the same fate?
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June 16, 2021 9:20am
- Sacha
  
  I have a friend who has just traded her LPG wagon for a ‘modern’ 4wd diesel.
  She is amazed at the change in her life . . . . .
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:30am
- Fletch
  
  Yep, Hosking was quoting from a Herald article today by Richard Prebble.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/richard-prebble-new-climate-report-is-just-socialist-quackery/WLMWYWJY7VIJNFSVRY7N4TLNDY/
  
  I know my folks had one of the “dual fuel” systems – both petrol and a CNG tank in the boot. It was a big thing at the time.
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:32am
- Ian Boag
  
  CNG in NZ failed for a number of reasons.
  
  One of the more significant ones was that the gas could not (ie it was not allowed to) be taken directly from the high pressure transmission pipeline. So gas at 2000-odd psi in the transmission line was reduced to about 30 psi for transmission around town, then recompressed to about 3000 psi for vehicle use.
  
  The energy requirements (and cost) for this were pretty horrendous. When the gas station I used installed CNG, it involved about 1 MW of compressor power. Without this stupid millstone, CNG stations would have mainly been built on the pipeline and CNG would have been heaps cheaper than petrol. It takes the same amount of energy to compress 30-60 as 60-120 as 120-250 as 250-500 as 500-1000 etc. So 2000-3000 psi would have been diddly poo.
  
  Could have made a difference ….
  
  The old counterfactual “if only” …. 🙂
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:59am
Black with a Vengeance

Mackenzie Scott, Jeff Bezos ex donated more billions to worthy charities.

I literally, figuratively and physically love white women more than I love white men.
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June 16, 2021 9:28am
- Yabster
  
  good to know you love both though…..
  
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  June 16, 2021 2:39pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Sounds like giving a bunch of woketards a salary for a few years.
  
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  June 16, 2021 2:45pm
kowtow

“120 days , give me a break, need time”.

Pattern emerging of a doddery, but niggly old man , who is being protected by his handlers , and a Media party that refuses to obsess about his gaffes , unlike they did over his predecessor.
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June 16, 2021 9:30am
Tony Stuart

Here’s a great example of how the PM uses word salad answers to avoid answering direct questions to her from the media:

https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1404703912116965376
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June 16, 2021 9:36am
- Bobba Fret
  
  She is an absolute shocker.
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:01am
Frank Hematuria

Jacinda Ardern: “They are us”.

Maori separatists: “By Maori, for Maori. (with your money)”.
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June 16, 2021 9:37am
- Prince
  
  The division of New Zealand (Aotearoa to some) seems to be moving at pace.
  We are now introducing Arab/Jew enmity, opening up a whole new world of tribal hatred, to accompany the apartheid government systems, the housing divide, the constant search for victim identities, now dating back to the 1970’s.
  I don’t know what Labour/Green Govt think this will achieve, but it’s certainly not the country we used to know.
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:10am
  - Paulus
    
    New Zealand can never be again as we would have enjoyed having gone from vibrant, strong economic and family orientated place to what it us now and going downhill rapidly to irrecoverable.
    Sad as I loved it as it was.
    But what do I know I have only been her 60 years.
    
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    June 16, 2021 10:52am
    - barnacle bill
      
      But what do I know I have only been her 60 years.
      
      Paulus. it seems you are really confused about who or what you are ?
      
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      June 16, 2021 1:01pm
Fletch

Looks like having the common cold may protect you against Covid…

“Exposure to the rhinovirus, the most frequent cause of the common cold, can protect against infection by the virus which causes COVID-19, Yale researchers have found.”

https://news.yale.edu/2021/06/15/common-cold-combats-covid-19
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June 16, 2021 9:39am
JibberJabber

Neil Oliver

Politicians have realised they have no need to listen to the electorate. They can and will do as they please and may perpetuate this situation indefinitely. Where do we go from here?
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June 16, 2021 9:47am
Maggie Pie

My partner was wondering if this is the same ‘Lee Williams’ that had his own far-right YouTube channel?

https://twitter.com/byroncclark/status/1404395781335879680
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June 16, 2021 9:48am
Fisiani2

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/444826/mount-maunganui-marae-still-on-quest-for-industrial-neighbours-to-move-kids-kaumatua-getting-headaches

Rather than relocate 20 or more thriving businesses at huge cost it would be a lot simpler to move the marae to another site. Interestingly the workers at these plants do not get headaches according to the article.
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June 16, 2021 9:52am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  The smell of “koha’ is all embracing.
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:38am
  - oldfella
    
    Tauhei: ‘I love the smell of koha in the morning…’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jts9suWIDlU&ab_channel=StudiocanalUK
    
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    June 16, 2021 12:08pm
    - david
      
      OR:
      I can smell the Koha on your breath. !!!!!
      Apologies to David Lange
      
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      June 16, 2021 11:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It is not only NZ that has been using more coal…

https://www.markettradingessentials.com/2021/06/gas-is-so-scarce-in-europe-that-coal-is-making-a-comeback/
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June 16, 2021 9:57am
Tony Stuart

The Ministry of Justice is currently seeking applicants for a new team. The advertisement on FB states:

Would you like to be part of the team that builds a National Action Plan Against Racism?

We are recruiting all levels from Policy Managers to Policy Advisors for a new team to deliver on this critical priority for Aotearoa.

The FB advertisement includes a photograph. Interestingly, it is a photograph of a most diverse group of four young, white people! A massive fail there!!

If you want to know more, here’s the link to the actual job on the Government Jobs website – https://jobs.govt.nz/jobs/MOJ-1541279.

The only ethnicity mentioned in the entire advertisement is Māori, despite the MoJ claiming to be “working towards a justice system that will make communities safer, maintain integrity and improve responsiveness, and maintain the civil and democratic rights of all New Zealanders.” I wonder if the successful applicants will get to go to hui at the Mongrel Mob Kingdom HQ in Hamilton to hear about the racism directed towards the Mob by that well-known bully, Simeon Brown!

PS: As an aside, there are 865 jobs advertised on the Government Jobs website this morning, so fill yer boots!
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June 16, 2021 10:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  “Would you like to be part of the team that builds a National Action Plan Against Racism?”
  
  Does anyone here believe that same ‘National Action Plan’ wouldn’t happen under a National government, just as it is happening under this Labour government?
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:27am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Would you like to be part of the team that builds a National Action Plan Against Racism?”
    
    In this context, does “against racism” mean “to achieve equal outcomes”?
    
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    June 16, 2021 10:33am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Sounds like the establishment of Aotearoa’s waffen SS.
    
    They’ll probably get uniforms, arm bands and be allowed to menace around in public spaces looking for ‘wrong speech’
    
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    June 16, 2021 11:21am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Problem with racists in NZ (and west in general) is that demand for these ogres (from the left) is vastly outstripping supply.
  
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  June 16, 2021 10:57am
  - curry4me
    
    UrbanNeocolonialist: Let’s assume there are 100 ‘white supremacists’ in Christchurch. None are in positions of influence, and 80% of them can’t even spell white supremacist.
    
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    June 16, 2021 5:40pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Firstly get rid of that abominable exogenist racist hate spreader masquerading as a public officer.
  
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  June 16, 2021 12:40pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    ‘exogenist’ ???
    
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    June 16, 2021 1:03pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuEy2Ryv6Gc

Biden’s Drastically Altered Tone on Vladimir Putin – What It Means.

As we told you, President Biden is getting ready to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Only a few months ago, President Biden referred to Putin as a killer and soulless. Now, as he prepares to meet with the Russian leader, President Biden referred to him as a “worthy adversary.” This change of tone comes at a time when tensions are high between Russia and the United States and amidst cyber-attacks from Russia that we’ve seen on U.S. companies.
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June 16, 2021 10:16am
- Frank the tank
  
  Merkel probably had a quiet word and explained the geo politics of Europe and how utterly dependent they are on Putin’s gas lines for the electric car con job to work.
  
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  June 16, 2021 11:23am
  - curry4me
    
    Frank the tank: That wouldn’t surprise. Except she’d be talking to his handlers. The ‘administraton’ has dropped sanctions on Nordstream.
    
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    June 16, 2021 5:42pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tmYPjvna8Y

Sharri Markson has ‘uncovered the greatest scientific scandal of all time’.

Nationals Senator Matt Canavan says he thinks Sharri Markson has “uncovered the greatest scientific scandal of all time”. Mr Canavan reflected on some of the recent work Sky News host Sharri Markson has been undertaking in investigating and revealing details relating to the origins of COVID-19. “Millions of people have died and they deserve, their families deserve, answers about how this happened and how can we make sure this does not happen again,” Mr Canavan said. “We need answers here, we need to get to the bottom of what happened here,” Mr Canavan told Sky News host Paul Murray. [10:55 So, the CSIRO was working with Wuhan too. It wasn’t just getting help from Obama, biden, and Fauci.]
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June 16, 2021 10:16am
JibberJabber

“1944 calling. How are things in 2021?”

“Our movements are restricted, dissenters are silenced, we’re surveilled by the state, and the country is full of snitches and petty enforcers.
Cancel D-Day. You’re wasting your time.”

From the twitter…
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June 16, 2021 11:08am
- SB2
  
  Up to your usual piifle!
  
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  June 16, 2021 12:20pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    A petty snitch would say that.
    
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    June 16, 2021 1:14pm
Maggie Pie

Stewart Nash confirms ‘Cycle Bridge’ over Whytamartar will never happen.

Tells ZB’s Kerry Woodham….”New Zealanders expect this government to spend taxpayer’s money prudently”
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June 16, 2021 11:30am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, I wonder if the inhabitants of Ayoteearower have the same high expectations?
  
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  June 16, 2021 11:37am
  - Frank the tank
    
    No little Aotearoans only care about being saved from the virus and whether they can pay for that new spa pool on cheap tick…..doubly so if you have no penis.
    
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    June 16, 2021 2:47pm
- cas
  
  They didn’t anticipate the kickback so they won’t say they are not doing it but if someone was to do OIA requests or written questions every few months to check on progress they would find there is none. It will be quietly put into the too hard basket with nothing ever done on it.
  
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  June 16, 2021 12:59pm
  - rouppe
    
    Your get 4 or 5 in before you heard back from the first one
    
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    June 16, 2021 1:20pm
- curry4me
  
  Maggie Pie: That’s never stopped them in the past.
  
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  June 16, 2021 5:43pm
oldfella

I’m surprised this story hasn’t popped up this morning on KB.

“Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon rejects allegations of pokie grant ‘kickback’ in historical investigation.” WOT?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125432465/race-relations-commissioner-meng-foon-rejects-allegations-of-pokie-grant-kickback-in-historical-investigation
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June 16, 2021 11:41am
- surfing
  
  Yes, those who throw sticks. Why was he never prosecuted?
  
  Given the state of our media, who knows if this is true or not anyway.
  
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  June 16, 2021 12:16pm
Maggie Pie

From what we’re hearing, the Labo and Green MP’s mincing around at the Field Day in their Red Bands, have not been well received by Farmers.

Be interesting to see what spin 3Ewes puts on it tonight @6.
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June 16, 2021 11:57am
- Frank the tank
  
  They’ll be hiding out in corporate tents such as Wokepac where they’ll be well received by their white collar mates.
  
  If the Blairite is there you’ll see her beaming as she hobbles between ‘conservation’ stalls in her one pair of shoes for FakeNewshub and OneWokeNews.
  
  Toxic will report it as a staggering success complete with a “unnamed National source” hit job piece on Collins.
  
  Rinse, Repeat……
  
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  June 16, 2021 2:57pm
septic skeptic

good to see that the Americas Cup deal is now off the table. This has been a colossal waste of money over many years. Now we should have a firm commitment not to fund again. I say this as a boatie that goes out to watch and as an ex tourism operator who knows first hand how little of the supposed economic bonanza ever eventuates.
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June 16, 2021 11:59am
- sooty
  
  Never mind, deposit on the lycra bridge!
  
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  June 16, 2021 5:15pm
Gravelroad

“Listen up people:
I have a special treat for you today. Myself as your leader and 28 of you lesser comrade MP’s are going to the Agricultural Fieldays.
Please make sure you have gumboots and other peasant type clothing available to wear. Masks optional.
I know there has been a bit of push back recently from the peasants about extra taxes. Be aware that if you are put in the unlucky position of having to actually speak to some of these (ugh) farmers you must say fees, not taxes.
Advice from my politburo of PR spin directorate says you should not feel insecure or unsafe when visiting this event. There will be safe rooms for you and security personnel.
The point of us going is, of course, not to engage positively with people of the land or listen to their stupid complaints about our policies.
We want you to see all the leading (but expensive) technology available to purchase, not to mention the grand array of huge, gas guzzling and emitting agricultural machinery these rich prick bastards will be buying.
This should make us all feel much more righteous about our climate change demands.
Ask comrade Shaw if you need any specific ammunition with which to shoot down any farmers who get above themselves.
Be brave comrades. These dumb farmers are really just from the peasant classes.
We are much cleverer than them.”
J.A.
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June 16, 2021 12:14pm
- zulumonster
  
  Be aware that if you are put in the unlucky position of having to actually speak to some of these (ugh) farmers you must say fees, not taxes …. but if challenged, try levies
  
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  June 16, 2021 2:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fauci is a liar. I got 30 days in Facebook jail for mentioning this.
https://libertyonenews.com/bombshell-video-proves-fauci-is-a-liar/
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June 16, 2021 12:15pm
surfing

“”We must explore other opportunities to ensure we can put up another successful defence,” Dalton said.

“No matter where in the world we are, we will always be Team New Zealand.”

Weasel words, from someone who appears to me to care more about money than nation.
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June 16, 2021 12:17pm
- bennerg
  
  I suspect Dalton is looking solely as to what is required for Team New Zealand to stay on top, and not lose the advantage they currently have over the other challengers.
  
  In this case money talks, and they need a new sponsor who will pay them the extra amount they need to keep their technology ahead.
  
  Thinking from out of left field, then maybe it would be possible to enhance the competition with prior “events” to be held in New Zealand, and also modify the Challengers competition to have that here.
  
  Not addressing the financial needs for the team that’s doing the hard yards over the whole 4 year cycle, is like cutting off our nose to spite your face.
  
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  June 16, 2021 2:37pm
  - surfing
    
    And, when NZ loses the cup?
    
    Given the taxpayer has poured so much money into this, it seems a smack to the face.
    
    They are welcome to run overseas and find billionaire sponsors, but, they will not sail under the New Zealand name!
    
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    June 16, 2021 5:11pm
    - bennerg
      
      Well we will lose it at some stage, that is the nature of any sport – staying at the top is not easy.
      
      Given the financial realities of what is required to keep winning, then may I suggest further attention to my comment about extending the competition, having the lead up comps all here (opportunities for NZ boat builders to be involved in the development phase), and then have the final in say Bermuda again, or Ireland who want it in Cork.
      
      Whatever, treat every obstacle as an opportunity.
      
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      June 16, 2021 9:58pm
- Frank the tank
  
  No.
  
  Dalton wants to make TeamNZ financial and in the long term not reliant on grants or government funding. He’s not going to get that here.
  
  Secondly the political BS the team has had to put up with this time (inclusive of the clumsy hit job by Twyford & co) would have played a part in this.
  
  I have no problem with it either way. $200m is chicken feed when we are spending (when it’s built) >$1B on a separate bridge for a 100 woke retards.
  
  I will say I love the salty Aotearoans (such as Phil Goof) that are acting like jilted girlfriends. I thought we had grown up regarding this event – obviously not.
  
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  June 16, 2021 3:07pm
- Graeme Hall
  
  Ol’ Dalts has extracted so much dosh over the years from ratepayers & taxpayers courtesy of cowardly politicians he should be able to self-fund TNZ from his Porsche fund alone. The constant cry for $6million here & $30million there to keep the “talent” employed all adds up.
  
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  June 16, 2021 4:22pm
oldfella

A few thought-provoking quotes from the great Thomas Sowell. A black American widely disliked by the left. (I wonder why? ;))
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–It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.
–Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.
–Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good.
–The most basic question is not what is best, but who shall decide what is best.
–The next time some academics tell you how important diversity is, ask how many Republicans there are in their sociology department.
–People who enjoy meetings should not be in charge of anything.
–Freedom has cost too much blood and agony to be relinquished at the cheap price of rhetoric.
–There are only two ways of telling the complete truth – anonymously and posthumously.
–If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.
–The welfare state is not really about the welfare of the masses. It is about the egos of the elites.
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June 16, 2021 12:20pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  He is mainly disliked for his crackpot views, such as comparing Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler, thinking the ban on DDT killed millions, etc.
  
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  June 16, 2021 1:01pm
  - Jack5
    
    I don’t have an opinion on DDT, but the argument seems to be that Rachel Carson, in her book “Silent Spring,” triggered panic about DDT, and that people were killed or hurt by insect borne diseases that DDT would have restricted.
    
    A scientist acquaintance offered to eat DDT when I asked him about its danger.
    
    The anti-DDT reaction led to surplus stocks of it being dumped on farmland in parts of New Zealand.
    
    I’ve been told the new activists coalesced into the Green movement.
    
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    June 16, 2021 1:23pm
    - RichardX
      
      Thanks for your opinion on DDT Jack.
      
      If it was supposed to address anything Mike said, you may want to try again.
      
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      June 16, 2021 1:38pm
  - Swifty
    
    Which books of his have you read?
    
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    June 16, 2021 1:27pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      One doesn’t have to read a person’s books to have an opinion on the worth of his thoughts.
      
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      June 16, 2021 2:24pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Ignorance is bliss.
        
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        June 16, 2021 3:02pm
    - Swifty
      
      Thought not.
      
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      June 16, 2021 2:38pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Lol mike, mainly disliked by leftists, who hate anyone who isn’t a leftist. I needn’t remind you that Obama compared Trump to Hitler. And on crackpot views, there’s a guy quite high up in the American chain of command that thinks Libya is Syria, he thinks that white supremacists are the biggest terrorist threat the America, he thinks that illegal immigrants are legal (doh!), he thinks that printing money won’t cause inflation amongst others. Oh, and who got owned by Sowell at least twice when Sowell appeared in front of Congress and was questioned by this person. Can you guess who this person is?
    
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    June 16, 2021 3:50pm
SB2

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Something to cheer the heart after the usual grizzling and dross on KB today thus far,

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=548536412977731
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June 16, 2021 12:27pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  If you think KB is worthless dross, why do you come here?
  The only thing that seems to cheer your heart is being a F-wit.
  
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  June 16, 2021 3:17pm
Jack5

Who is driving the fight to stop recognising that the trial and jailing of Peter Ellis was an injustice and a legal farce?

The Supreme Court has rejected an attempt to bring new evidence against the dead man.

The Christchurch creche case was one of a rash of similar hysteria outbursts around the Western world. There were similar features in all of them. Creches or child centres, one or more mentally unstable people, and allegations outrageous in their details.

Christchurch creche allegations by little kids reached the stage of including police and business people using tunnels under the city.

Did the clique of parents at the creche who drove the case receive financial compensation for the their children? If they did that would be relevant now the case is active again.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/supreme-court-finds-new-allegation-of-abuse-against-peter-ellis-inadmissible-as-evidence/JTHYS42SUHRKBTYSOD6FBZGCKQ/
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June 16, 2021 12:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  ACC paid out $500,000 to Parents of some of the Creche children.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ellis_(childcare_worker)#ACC_involvement
  
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  June 16, 2021 1:46pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Thinking of getting yourself a new EV to take advantage of the government ‘feebate’?

You need to listen to this…..it will affect every car lease arrangement in the country – both new and existing.

My partner reckons it’s a complete CLUSTER – – K!!

https://twitter.com/oliverhartwich/status/1404938552476008448
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June 16, 2021 12:47pm
- greybeard
  
  What a great podcast.
  Just reinforces what everyone knows, that the “govt” comes out with these ideas without ANY investigation, analysis, detailed planning or anything else.
  Simply a sound-bite approach.
  
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  June 16, 2021 1:48pm
Liberty

Labour had its yearly wankfest and produced
A budget. Where they spent it all on the country’s poor.
With the media in their pocket. Praising our good and great government.
But within a month of the budget. The hidden secret agenda is released.
A week after a possibly contrived riot on Auckland harbour bridge.
A billion dollar bridge is announced.
Then Heartland NZ is shafted with higher car taxes.
Next it is sucking up to the looter and moochers and a reported 100 million on the America cup.
Being a weak spineless Government they will be kind and make it 200million.
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June 16, 2021 1:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Where they spent it all on the country’s poor.
  
  I don’t think so….
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018799850/no-msd-flexible-funding-assistance-given-in-te-tai-tokerau
  
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  June 16, 2021 1:52pm
  - sooty
    
    How come the Waikato get just about one hundred grand, three get 0, rest get chicken shit?
    Someone giving their cou’s a backhander?
    
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    June 16, 2021 5:09pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      How come the Waikato get just about one hundred grand
      
      Tainui is in the ascendancy…
      Once Ngai (Kai) Tahu was the leading Tribe.
      
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      June 16, 2021 6:16pm
Maggie Pie

PALMY TRENDING

Unc concerned… “that nef may try to go out in blaze of gory”

>>Police say he should not be approached.

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1404954679717421057
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June 16, 2021 1:24pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Interesting mix of Nazi and Maori themed tattoos. More than one being SS runes, on the uncle.
  Not sure what the patch on the cheek is though….’stormtroopers – something’.
  Only been aware of the Mongrel Mob culturally appropriating from the Germans to date.
  Oddly the ‘nef’ has a fist on his face, being Black Power.
  Probably won’t be the last time that face will be in the media.
  And it won’t be for contributing to society, I bet.
  
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  June 16, 2021 3:25pm
Maggie Pie

WHALE OIL BEEF HOOKED ! 😀 😀 😀

Cam to be a contestant on TV3’s….. ‘Dancing With The Stars’

https://twitter.com/MattNippert/status/1404982617104023553
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June 16, 2021 2:32pm
- greybeard
  
  I hope they pair him with Megan Woods.
  Or Nanaia Mahuta !
  
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  June 16, 2021 3:19pm
- MCos
  
  I thought he was too incapacitated to do anything much let alone appear on a dancing competition.
  
  Sounds like Dirty Dancing.
  
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  June 16, 2021 3:28pm
- Graeme Hall
  
  When you think TV3 can’t scrape the bottom of barrel any more, they once again prove us wrong.
  
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  June 16, 2021 4:05pm
Unity

Is it only me or do others find it hard to watch the 4.30pm news on Three at the moment? I’ve tried to get used to what I’m sure is a lovely lady behind the bar code but I’m going to have to give up. Unfortunately I’m hearing impaired so have to read people’s lips and for me constantly watching that bar code going up and down is just so distracting, not to mention making her look so aggressive when I feel underneath she would be rather attractive. A smile makes it look even worse. I haven’t long been watching the news at this time but found it a good time before the new presenter came on. Why on earth do people tattoo their faces in this day and age? I may be totally ignorant but to me it looks ghastly.
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June 16, 2021 2:52pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  The chin tattoo is a sign of political indoctrination.
  Very fashionable in recent years.
  
  I see it kind of like the seal of Imperial conditioning, tattooed on the forehead, in the Dune series.
  If they have that mark on the chin, you can be fairly certain they have passed out of Te Wananga or a Maori dept. at another university; with tales of genocide against Maori, suppression of their language and culture, and unmitigated disaster from European arrival, acceptance of white privilege and a sense of victimhood and grievance.
  They are unlikely to pass out of such places untouched.
  To me it strongly implies ‘Damaged goods’.
  
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  June 16, 2021 3:33pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Well! No surprises here. Another contribution from Unity, displaying yet again her dislike of all things Māori. Ugh!
  
  Is it only me or do others find it hard to watch the 4.30pm news on Three at the moment?
  
  No, it’s not just you, Unity. oldfella has a problem with it, too.
  
  I may be totally ignorant but to me it looks ghastly.
  
  No, you’re not totally ignorant, Unity, but you most certainly are not a very nice person, that’s for sure.
  
  Ooh! It’s nearly time to switch over from Te Karere to the lovely Oriini Kaipara.
  
  Aah. Life is good.
  
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  June 16, 2021 4:24pm
  - Unity
    
    Oh, how wrong you are Steve Todd. I actually have Maori relatives and I most certainly do not dislike all things Maori. In fact I love it when my Maori relatives burst into song with one of them playing a ukulele. Sends goose bumps all over me. I love listening to Maori singing full stop (they harmonise beautifully) but on the other hand I detest the haka at everything that opens and shuts. So, you badly misjudged me.
    
    As a matter of interest my Maori relatives also abhor the racist racial divisions that are overtaking this country so I’m in good company.
    
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    June 16, 2021 4:30pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      I’ve been reading your comments for years now, Unity, and you come across as anti-Māori, to say the least. I’m pleased it took my comment to force you to explain yourself, at least to some extent.
      
      Whether or not I’m wrong about you, remains to be seen, as far as I’m concerned.
      
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      June 16, 2021 5:53pm
      - Unity
        
        I’m most definitely not anti Maori. I’m anti the racist racial divisions. We should all be treated the same with nothing special given out for anything but need. My family are very hard working and get by on their own efforts proving the negative stats have nothing to do with race. In fact they find the divisions and insinuation that Maori are ‘special needs’ very insulting. Everyone can get ahead if they get an education, aspire and work hard. This is why I post on race. It’s absolutely nothing to do with being anti Maori. I’m anti the gravy trainers with the continually upturned palm, expecting something for nothing and moaning about colonisation and other things as an excuse not to take responsibility for themselves, like the rest of us do. Colonisation actually saved Maori who were on the road to extinction with their continual warring up and down the country.
        
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        June 16, 2021 6:44pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Good for you, Unity.
        
        The fact remains that your 2:52PM comment — and you’ve made similar comments previously — was a disgrace, in my view; an ignorant, mean-spirited and unnecessary rejection of a significant part of Māori culture.
        
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        June 16, 2021 7:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        your 2:52PM comment — and you’ve made similar comments previously — was a disgrace, in my view; an ignorant, mean-spirited and unnecessary rejection of a significant part of Māori culture.
        
        Rubbish!
        Unity expressed her personal opinion of a facial tattoo, that’s all.
        
        I’ve always been intrigued by folks who subject themselves to tattoos and other painful types of body adornment.
        
        I like some tattoos on folks… My husband loathes all of them…
        doesn’t mean that he loathes our youngest daughter..
        who has an armful of tattoos and at times has sported chunks of metal hanging from earlobes and nostrils.
        In fact, he loves her and hardly notices her arm tattoos nowadays.
        
        He’s coping fairly well with all the tattooed folk here in Gizzy and even managed to warmly greet our neighbour without having a heart attack a few days after she received her Moko kauae.
        
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        June 16, 2021 7:33pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Unity expressed her personal opinion of a facial tattoo, that’s all.
        
        Rubbish!
        
        “bar code”; “watching that bar code going up and down”; “making her look so aggressive”; “a smile makes it look even worse”; “Why on earth do people tattoo their faces in this day and age?”.
        
        That last one, especially, was a shocker — a disdainful rejection of a significant aspect of Māori culture.
        
        I’m no fan of tattoos, either — I’ve never even thought of getting one. On this occasion, however, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree.
        
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        June 16, 2021 8:26pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Gosh, it’s a bit rich that a pedant and bigot like you is calling other people ‘not very nice’
    
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    June 16, 2021 4:48pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Oh, poor Red. Still hurting, because I disagreed with you one time?
      
      There, there. It gets better; I promise.
      
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      June 16, 2021 5:57pm
  - Yabster
    
    steve you are becoming a bigger ahole socialist by the day- TV3 news sucks as does tv1 – thats my opinion as it is unity’s which last time i looked we are allowed to have- you speaking for most people is a laugh at best- Unity “not a nice person”- huh- coming from you thats a compliment fing dhead
    
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    June 17, 2021 8:07am
RW Capitalist

News presentation, not changed in 40yrs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaB61nMrQ0Y
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June 16, 2021 4:15pm
RW Capitalist

“A Third World country is an outdated and offensive term for a developing nation characterized by a population with low and middle incomes, and other socio-economic indicators.”
Like
a doubling of the number in poverty
5 x more people living in EMERGENCY housing
Govt forced to supply lunches to school kids
Claims of a lack of food at home for a growing percentage of the population
Lack of money for protective clothing (coats and shoes) for an increasing number of the countries children.

“The way we treat our children in the dawn of their lives and the way we treat our elderly in the twilight of their lives is a measure of the quality of a nation.”
— Hubert H. Humphrey
As for the elderly, crammed into homes and a failure to protect them (the most vulnerable) from Covid19.
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June 16, 2021 4:48pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/125458434/restaurant-owner-banned-and-fined-after-badly-treating-and-underpaying-staff
Indians ripping-off fellow Indians in NZ !
Who would believe this ?
Well, pretty well everyone !
Bloody cynical, self-serving bastards.
They bring their corrupt practices with them when they come here.
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June 16, 2021 5:22pm
- Tall Man
  
  People of all races can be pricks or saints.
  
  This is merely “bait” by the media to keep your eye off the ball.
  
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  June 16, 2021 6:43pm
  - MCos
    
    I’ve heard of plenty of Thai people exploited in the restaurant business, Filipinos exploited in the dairy business.
    You could say the last people I worked for in Bangkok took advantage of my situation too, but everything isn’t all it seems in the Wild East.
    
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    June 16, 2021 7:25pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I’ve dealt with many business owners of many races, including Thai, and there are good and bad, awesome and terrible.
      
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      June 16, 2021 8:39pm
RW Capitalist

Australia gets UK trade deal
where are we…..a day late and a dollar short.
..A G A I N.
Negotiations were started at the same time.
Aus. finished, us….not even started.
Suggestion…..

Maybe we could have discussed a joint effort between Australia and us. Several months ago.

Except for the childish and ridiculous way we have behaved toward Aus….starting with Hipkins interfering in their politics prior to 2017.
Our childish PM’s response…
“we are looking for quality not speed”
and you have neither, you, so far, have NOTHING.
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June 16, 2021 6:22pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “we are looking for quality not speed”
  
  Is our PM implying that Australia has failed to get a quality deal?
  Is she implying that the UK has pulled a fast-one over Australia?
  
  Who the hell is advising her?
  Does she have any awareness of diplomacy?
  
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  June 16, 2021 6:42pm
  - Unity
    
    She sounded absolutely pathetic didn’t she. Above all she didn’t look like a Leader. She’s been so slow with everything she has(n’t) done hasn’t she. Perhaps that’s what’s holding her up (quality, not speed)???!!
    
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