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krazykiwi

For me, ANZAC day is about remembering the reason for the sacrifices made by so many of our own. They didn’t die fighting for ‘our country’, but rather their lives were lost in a desperate struggle to defend liberty and democracy from the ambitions of a violent, megalomaniacal tyrant. Their efforts gifted New Zealand the social and economic vitality that my parents grew up with, and I in their footsteps.

Our present might have been very different had Hitler prevailed. His agenda to drive single-state, brutal authoritarian rule, augmented by cultivating racial hatred alongside array of social engineering would have led to a truly dystopian world.

Yet if anything, the last 12 months has shown me that the germ of lusting for unconstrained power still exists in our leaders. We have experienced the largest state-led assault on civil liberties in New Zealand’s history while the leader of the most libertarian opposition called for more state-mandated tracking of its citizens.

As we remember the fallen today, I call on our leaders – all of them, from Labour, National, ACT, Greens and Maori – to reflect on their commitment to the ideals for which our brave soldiers laid down their lives. We deserve more liberty, and less control. More democracy, and less state rule. More transparency, and fewer lies.

As rank-and-file New Zealanders we need take a leaf from the ANZAC’s book, and show more bravery in demanding our leaders uphold the ideals procured for us by spilled ANZAC blood.
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April 25, 2021 8:00am
- KevO'Brien
  
  A respect for law wouldn’t go amiss. PM Ardern may be a cheer leader but she’s no executive–she’s basically mediocre with a lust for power. A young commie groupie.
  An army of sycophants do not make a govt, they make a mess of the nest. (Rotorua is also currently being destroyed as a tourist destination. )
  
  Allowing activists control is contrary to public law. Turning Police away from their duties leads us where? We now have race relations being returned to the 1840’s. The Treaty is being rejected and tribes jockeying for positions. Their written history, recorded in diverse ways, shows who had taken land from another and those ancient feuds are not forgotten. The Govt has meddled where it had no concern but to keep the peace and destroyed the harmony we previously had.
  Pakeha NZ will not accept Maori governance. Individual tribes will not accept it either.
  
  It is time for this govt to return NZ to the people. They do not understand their task, the duty of care they owe and have demonstrated they cannot carry out the functions of caretakers of the State. The do not respect the law that was long fought for and that the Parliament is sovereign over the spending of taxes taken from the people. That right is not the govt’s of the day, whatever its majority. The rights to spend are those of Parliament as a Parliament of the whole. An English King paid his dues for not accepting that.
  
  To abandon the Westminster constitutional conventions needs at least a referendum. Otherwise it is effectively making NZ into a defacto republic.
  The abandonment of the Treaty also requires a referendum and probably the consent of HM the Queen.
  
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  April 25, 2021 8:34am
- krazykiwi
  
  BTW, my great uncle who briefly fought in WWII called himself an ANZAC. The title was apparently seen as a badge of honour.
  
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  April 25, 2021 8:55am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    As it is with New Zealanders.
    
    Not the woke New Zealanders perhaps, certainly those who care about OUR country (looking at you ngai maori)
    
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    April 25, 2021 9:59am
  - chukar
    
    KK and KoB,
    Thanks for expressing so well the fears shared by so many New Zealanders.
    
    May ANZAC day never become AAAC day!
    
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    April 25, 2021 11:01am
  - alwyn
    
    An ANZAC.
    I wonder what will be the title by this time next year? Our current Government will probably have renamed the Country by then and we will have to talk about the Australia Aotearoa Army Corp.
    How do you pronounce AAAC?
    
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    April 25, 2021 2:18pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      I think it rhymes with FARK!!!
      
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      April 25, 2021 3:04pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  We have experienced the largest state-led assault on civil liberties in New Zealand’s history
  
  It is ironic that you link this claim to Anzac Day and the ‘desperate struggle to defend liberty’ when civil liberties were actually most curtailed during the First and Second World Wars.
  Lest you forget.
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:43am
  - Tall Man
    
    And reinstated after….
    
    Another idiotic post from you mikey.
    
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    April 25, 2021 1:38pm
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  Couple of points:
  “Our present might have been very different had Hitler prevailed. His agenda to drive single-state, brutal authoritarian rule, augmented by cultivating racial hatred alongside array of social engineering would have led to a truly dystopian world.”
  
  This sounds very much like Globalism and the liberal world order in the year 2021, so was fighting WW2 the best thing we could have done? The distance afforded by the passage of years can lead to re-examination. As Patton said “we fought the wrong enemy.” To be fair, I’d actually rather be “speaking German” right now than having transgenderism and anti-White racism forced down my throat.
  
  “They didn’t die fighting for ‘our country’, but rather their lives were lost in a desperate struggle to defend liberty and democracy from the ambitions of a violent, megalomaniacal tyrant”
  
  Do people really fight in the name of such abstractions? I’m pretty sure most soldiers went to war mostly for concrete reasons like protecting their families and friends, and, by extension, the nation.
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:08am
  - MCos
    
    My father volunteered for the NZ Army at the start of WWII, was on a troop ship somewhere on 1-Jan 1940 and returned home at the end of 1945.
    I asked him once why young guys went off to war.
    He told me – Adventure.
    
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    April 25, 2021 11:40am
    - theoldbloke
      
      My father was “sent”” to WW2. He wasnt interested in adventure as he had a wife & 2 young babies to consider.
      Many young men went for the adventure and to escape the bad conditions that prevailed at the end of the depression.
      I joined up(1960s) at 17 and did my 12 year stint. A great period of my life where I learnt about mateship and personal resilience
      Like most of my compatriots the service looked like an interesting life and the opportunity to learn a trade and get paid.
      NONE of my compatriots saw it as a patriotic duty or serving their country, remember the Vietnam conflict was on. Tho a few of my compatriots wanted to serve in Vietnam for the adventure..
      
      On talking over my military experiences with my father. He opined that during his army time, the enthusiasm and “patriotism” got rinsed out after their first deployment, when mates were shot or bombed. All they were interested in was surviving and going home. Defence of Kiwis liberty, freedom and democracy wasnt a remote consideration.
      
      So yes I take time for reflection on this special memorial day and my friends long gone. Not for their patriotism, but for their focus on doing the best that they could
      
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      April 25, 2021 4:53pm
    - Paulus
      
      Partially true but only so !
      
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      April 26, 2021 1:50pm
- tf78
  
  Krazykiwi – so well said, thank you.
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:30am
- otago-man
  
  Well said krazykiwi, how anyone could down tick your post is beyond me, they do not deserve to live in this country
  
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  April 25, 2021 11:08am
I remember when

Is the Wellington Bus Drivers strike a consequence of the minimum wage or is it part of the intention.
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April 25, 2021 8:13am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s a consequence of their employer wanting to make more money at their expense by cutting the wages bill.
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:39am
  - I remember when
    
    The question is were the government working on behalf of the unions.
    When did the cost of a minimum wage increase ever mention or include the add-ons.
    We always hear the broad outline of these disputes without what the total arguments and figures are.
    The government is already surreptitiously using the restriction of migrant workers to try to achieve pay rises.
    
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    April 25, 2021 11:50am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Can’t have those pesky employers making decisions about what’s best for the viability of the enterprise now, can we?
    
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    April 25, 2021 12:21pm
- peterwn
  
  That is one issue. IMO bus drivers should be paid more than minimum wage in the light of the responsibilities they have, and this would probably line up with the so called ‘living wage’. The other issue concerns employment agreements. At present the union has separate employment agreements with NZ Bus for Auckland and Wellington services. Union wants a combined agreement (presumably with the best of both worlds) and NZ Bus does not.
  Interestingly Paul Snelgrove and his HR manager daughter have successfully avoided their Tranzit and Tranzurban drivers being unionised. Hence some Wellington services (eg #1 Island Bay) kept running during the strike.
  The strike is also indirectly aimed at the WRC and Government – to provide more public transport subsidies to meet higher wages.
  One would have thought that the current Labour Government would have had the skills and experience to deal with this sort of situation without the need for strikes.
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:46am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Back in the 1970’s compulsory wage orders with the Labour Govt’s backing started a wage price/spiral.
    
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    April 25, 2021 12:19pm
    - Harriet
      
      But as Peterwn is pointing out – who exactly is minimum wage [or there abouts] for?
      
      I can’t understand either why a bus driver given his responsibilities, warrants earning the same money a law student gets by being a part time transient in the hospitality industry, as a waitress. Which raises another set of questions[why aren’t they committing to part time work in the legal industry?].
      
      I’m all for the free markets but not when it leads to reliance on rebates, subsidies, tax breaks and all the rest of what could be described as nothing less than a welfare system, for all workers. That’s not a market place of any sort, it’s organised labour.
      
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      April 25, 2021 12:57pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The “living wage” was a union move out of the UK. They commissioned a Priest from the Anglican Social Centre in Lower Hutt to work out the numbers. They commented on how their were two living wages, one for Auckland about $6/hr higher and the rest of the country. The lower figure was chose for their campaigns as being more palatable.
        
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        April 25, 2021 6:07pm
- Steve Todd
  
  What do you think?
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:52am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, I feel it was a long weekend exercise.
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:53am
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On this solemn day we do indeed remember them and lest we forget and do on. But I have no doubts ( as before on KB ) that ANZAC day will be desecrated with the usual faux patriotism and excuse and some insane sabre rattling. Like, pick a fight with China. Not sure where one would stage a Gallipoli styled landing.? Somewhere near the mouth of the Yangtze river or some such?.

The day also reminds us of the at times the delicate relationship we have with Turkey, our hosts at Gallipoli commemorations. I’m thinking of the Armenian Genocide which if any NZ foreign minister dared raise with the Turks would easily pull the plug on this august annual event at Anzac cove even though now interrupted by the Covid Pandemic. Such is the complexity and delicacy of relationships among nations as we experience with China at the moment,

One can indeed sympathize with our and any other Foreign relations minster as to the dilemmas whenconduction foreign policy.
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April 25, 2021 8:15am
- RockyJ
  
  Disagree. Sometimes the solution to intentional issues is simple. Like when Neville Chamberlain should have stood up to Hitler. The overriding value for guiding foreign policy should be “do the right thing”. This is some Ardern and Mahuta seem to have forgotten
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:08am
  - alloytoo
    
    Did they ever know it?
    
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    April 25, 2021 3:21pm
  - CJames
    
    History rubbishes Chamberlain but a sober analysis shows that Britain needed the time the Munich agreement bought to rearm. Even then it was a close run thing. If they had gone to war in 1938, Britain would have lost.
    
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    April 25, 2021 4:31pm
    - Mike
      
      One of history’s unknowns, really. In 1938 Germany was weaker, too. Czechoslovakia might have been tough for the Germans had Britain and France stood firm.
      
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      April 25, 2021 5:12pm
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        And no non-aggression pact with Stalin to eliminate the threat of Soviet intervention in the east and protect Germany from a repeat of the naval blockade which had crippled the German war effort and undermined civilian support in WW1.
        
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        April 25, 2021 7:24pm
    - CommanderC
      
      How would Britain have lost? They just enact Strategic Plan Victory 100% chance — cut the oil supply lines from Venezuela to Germany.
      
      Germany would have struggled to defeat Czechoslovakia – 3 months was the estimate without Russian support.
      
      With Russian support, Germany had a near 100% chance of defeat with no oil from Venezuela, no oil from Russia, and no oil from Britain’s ally Romania.
      
      Meanwhile France would have marched into the Rhineland, and told her ally Poland to march into Berlin.
      
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      April 25, 2021 8:25pm
    - RockyJ
      
      I said it was a simple decision but it was not an easy one. You are correct, history judges Chanberlain harshly but we have the benefit of hindsight. At the time I may have been a cheer leader for “peace in our time”.
      
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      April 25, 2021 9:32pm
- 3-coil
  
  SB2: No need to sympathise with our NZ Minister of Foreign Affairs. I used to think that Nanaia Mahuta’s incompetent political performances in the past were because she was lazy and stupid. But on Newshub Nation yesterday she impressively showed what a slippery slug she is, avoiding answering Tova’s “genocide of the Uyghurs” questions for the whole programme. So Nan’s way smarter than I thought!
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:14am
  - Unity
    
    I don’t know how many times she referred to ‘working through complex issues’ etc. Do they ever get to the point of making decisions or does the ‘working through’ go on and on?!!
    
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    April 25, 2021 12:46pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      She’s too simple to understand complex.
      
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      April 25, 2021 3:43pm
  - CommanderC
    
    To the NZ Left, it seems concentration camps and internment camps are complex issues, because in one satellite photos there is a complex before a major news report and in the next satellite photo after a major news report the complex disappears.
    
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    April 25, 2021 8:35pm
- H. Upmann
  
  The genocide of Armenians by Turks continues to the present day; it appears to have never really stopped since 1915.there has been millions of Armenian civilian deaths, Christian, at the hand of Turks currently assisted by Azerbaijanis.
  https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17304/armenian-genocidee
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:26am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    They don’t like it Upmann.
    
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    April 25, 2021 11:06am
  - oldfella
    
    Biden has just jumped in to the Armenian genocide controversy and upset the Turks.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/biden-recognizes-armenian-deaths-genocide-prompting-relief-armenia-fury-turkey-n1265040
    Apparently NZ won’t follow any time soon as Turkey has threated to cut off our access to the Anzac Gallipoli memorials.
    
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    April 25, 2021 12:12pm
- redflagged
  
  To be fair, she (Ardern, and her government) hasn’t done anything since taking power in 2017 on the matter.
  
  Basically she keeps quiet and only brings things up in private, as suggested by Professor Brady, due to China’s political influence on us.
  
  This from the CFR in 2017: “New Zealand has been slower to develop a clear response. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has reportedly refused to comment on the prospect of the country’s spy agency launching a probe into Chinese political influence in New Zealand. The Financial Times reported in December of this year that briefings provided to Ardern by New Zealand national security chiefs have raised fresh concerns about political interference coming from Beijing.”
  
  https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/australia-new-zealand-face-chinas-influence
  
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  April 25, 2021 1:10pm
I remember when

Jane Clifton’s article in the Listener has an interesting take on the unmentioned intention of the workers visa MIQ problems.
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April 25, 2021 8:19am
- redflagged
  
  I’m still waiting for her take on how or why Trevor Mallard should still be the Speaker of the House.
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:57am
  - igm
    
    [ Mod : family ]
    
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    December 25, 2020 11:18am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Isnt she Mallard’s Missus???
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:17am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Yes.
    
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    April 25, 2021 11:35am
    - lifesgood
      
      … “we must keep politicians spouses out of it.” [ Mod: a DPF rule. Take it up with him ]
      
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      April 25, 2021 3:04pm
  - david
    
    Fair question fightingtemeraire.
    It puzzles me why it would get a downtick. Knee jerk would be my guess because there was obviously no thought or intelligence behind it.
    
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    April 25, 2021 1:11pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yes she is. Hence redflagged’s comment.
    
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    April 25, 2021 1:19pm
fernglas

About 20% of the population is under 16 and will not be vaccinated. Another 20% are either unlikely to, or definitely will not, be vaccinated. Add in a few more for those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, and the 70% needed for herd immunity is impossible. https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/pages/covid-19-vaccine-research-insights-march-2021.pdf

Australia to date has administered about 2 million jabs. We are at 140,000.
So when are we going to be able to open our borders if the current zero tolerance strategy remains? Can at least one journalist ask such a simple question?
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April 25, 2021 8:29am
- DeepBlue
  
  The virus is tricky don’t you know?
  
  Therefore it will get through our borders sometime. Quite possibly in the next year before we even get close to 50% vaccination. When it does strike it will be a rampant spreader and the deaths saved to date and hospital services protected will have only been deferred.
  
  If it’s not Covid it will be the deferred flu.
  
  You cannot immunise partly.
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:37am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think you are mistaken on a number of fronts.
  
  Firstly, stage 3 clinical trials of the vaccine in children are in progress.
  
  https://health.clevelandclinic.org/are-we-one-step-closer-to-a-covid-19-vaccine-for-kids/
  
  Secondly, vaccine hesitancy is mostly from young people. In Israel 99 percent of over 80s have been vaccinated and 90 percent of over 60s. Daily life in Israel is now back to normal despite only 60 percent of the population being fully vaccinated.
  
  If the New Zealand government ever gets its act together I would expect to see the same trends here.
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:40am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    BTW there is another factor that will boost vaccination rates in young New Zealanders. If they are not vaccinated they will be unlikely to be able to travel internationally.
    
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    April 25, 2021 10:27am
    - kowtow
      
      De facto compulsion. Very tricky , like the virus.
      
      BTW , the latest fear mongering tactic is “triple mutations” in India .
      
      Muwahahaha wawawa.
      
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      April 25, 2021 11:33am
      - CherryCat
        
        How many mutations are required before it is back to the beginning? In other words, when does it disappear up its own backside?
        
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        April 25, 2021 7:24pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Pfizer tested down to 16 yo in their original trial. They also have a 12-17 trial and are going to ask FDA in ~a month for paediatric admin to 12.
      
      Moderna 12 – 17 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04649151
      
      Moderna 6 mo – <12 years: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04796896
      
      Both trials have a priori interim analyses built in, and if efficacy and safety are shown they will stop early. Its highly likely that the 12-17 year trial will finish Sept or so. The 6 month – 12 year trial is in 3 arms descending, 6-11, 2-5 and 6 months – 23 months. Takes a lot longer – trail close date is June 2023, but again a priori design included interim analyses, expect the first arm to report out ~Xmas for interim.
      
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      April 25, 2021 2:18pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Thanks pharmachick. I had not seen that. Interesting.
        
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        April 25, 2021 2:34pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        PC do you know how they go about doing clinical trials on ones as young as 6 months? I can’t imagine for a moment I’d allow either of my two kids to be part of such trials unless their life were in danger and this was the only chance of a cure – which clearly isn’t the case.
        
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        April 25, 2021 3:06pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        @Loddenthinks… Yes. It is a standard call for a clinical trial though clinical (think Drs, public health nurses etc) for parents to sign up. Children under 18 cannot consent, only their parents/caregivers can consent – adn that is how the children are enrolled, with parental/major adult caregiver consent.**
        
        ** Children that are old enough (generally kicks in around 7-8, but definitely for ALL over 12 years old) may also be asked to “assent”. This means that they are old enough in years and/or have shown the cognitive ability to understand what they’re signing up for, and they individually “assent” separate to their parent’s consent.
        
        Finally, yes Lodden; Peds trials take longer and are slower to report, because comparatively fewer parents, caregivers etc will take the chance.
        
        I work in general Drug metabolism and Pharmacokinetics, but I have a sub-specialization ini pregnancy and paediatrics… I am well aware of all of these issues, hence Paeds trials are so hard to do, take longer etc. Even so… the uptake for the vaccine trials from parents and children/tweens/teenagers themselves for COVID has been massive.
        
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        April 25, 2021 3:59pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        Dear Pharmachick,
        
        I respect you and your apparent knowledgeable posts regarding the Covid19 vaccine.
        
        You do not have to answer this question, but would you take it?
        
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        April 25, 2021 6:49pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        @infocruzpro
        
        what is the question?
        
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        April 25, 2021 8:36pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Oh, right sorry Info, misunderstanding. Yes, I will take Moderna or Pfizer when my age group is called.
        
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        April 26, 2021 7:32am
- krazykiwi
  
  Herd immunity does not require vaccinations. If it did then we wouldn’t be here.
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:51am
- theoldbloke
  
  I am still bewildered by the assumption that getting the vaccine will stop the pandemic.
  
  It is an amelioration jab to reduce the severity of Covid!! It does not stop you catching or transmitting the virus.
  
  Recent figures show that incidence of covid infection is in the order of 1 in 13,000 something.
  So with NZs numbers of jabs todate that could mean(given we had Covid in the community) 10 cases.
  
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  April 25, 2021 5:01pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No. In 80 to 90 percent of cases the vaccine WILL stop people catching or transmitting the virus. For those who do catch the disease severe illness will be unlikely as you say.
    
    Vaccines will end the pandemic because covid, in vaccinated people, will either be non existent or a mild illness. For those who are not vaccinated, some will get covid and become seriously ill and die. But that is a choice they made.
    
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    April 26, 2021 6:01am
Happychappy

Has the chrome started to wear thin on Jacinda Ardern and the rust beginning to show with the respect from those she thought would not dear criticize her Leadership starting to grow smaller , Well she will need China even more now because the world has started to wake up to the childish and dangerous games she plays.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/04/new-zealand-must-be-respectful-of-china-even-if-there-are-disagreements-nanaia-mahuta.html
The halo is starting to fall.
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April 25, 2021 8:30am
- DeepBlue
  
  Jacinda does seem to have tarnished her 5eyes support for an UN position.
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe Jaspinda should get a ‘working group’ to investigate 4 eyes and a squint?
  Once again the ‘do nothing’ Govt does nothing
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:40am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Haha, Adhern is plated with chinese chrome and we all know how good that is within six months of buying some of their chromed shit!
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:01am
- kowtow
  
  I see HDPA and others extending themselves to say the Ozzies and others aren’t really bothered about the mythical beast speech at the NZ China Council , Belt and Road etc
  
  Well if anyone thinks the timing of the Feds tearing up Vics B and R agreement with the CCP was not linked to the visit by their FM here , then I have some live cattle exports for them ……..
  
  There are many ways of getting a “diplomatic” message across.
  
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  April 25, 2021 11:39am
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Happy World Malaria Day!
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April 25, 2021 8:47am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Happy is the world that lives on quinine. Thymoquinone is an amazing healer.
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:33am
- rockape
  
  Had vivax malaria, not nice but over it now.
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:35am
Tasman Terror

Attended the dawn service at Motueka.

Regrettably local MP Damien O’Connor
spent his entire speech on Covid-19
and the amazing work of the armed
services in protecting our
borders, and “the team of 5 million.”

What a fuckwit.
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April 25, 2021 8:57am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  You aren’t grateful for the work the armed forces have done during the pandemic?
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:37am
  - crikey
    
    There’s no need to keep reminding us you’re a fuckwit. We get it.
    
    Anzac Day remembrance has nothing to do with the pandemic response. Damien O’Connor didn’t get that either; he’s making a habit of reminding us of his limitations.
    
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    April 25, 2021 12:10pm
  - Prince
    
    What’s that got to do with Anzac Day ?
    Lest we forget.
    
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    April 25, 2021 12:11pm
  - redflagged
    
    To be fair to the armed forces and Police guarding MIQ, paid security guards were just as if not more effective, as that’s their job. Then have the Police on speed dial.
    
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    April 25, 2021 1:17pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It wasn’t gratis.
    
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    April 25, 2021 2:02pm
  - I remember when
    
    ignore report. error again
    
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    April 26, 2021 9:42am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Be fair, O’Conner was a fuckwit before this morning. Today is yet further confirmation of his status, tomorrow does not look good for him either . . .
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:04am
- Frank the tank
  
  Wish I was there – I would have called him out. Let me guess all the (little) Aotearoans said nothing?
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:44am
  - Mike
    
    Yes, you seem like the kind of loon who would start a loud political argument at an Anzac Day service.
    
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    April 25, 2021 5:19pm
- Paulus
  
  Presumably those at Mot and other locals voted for him.
  More fool then !
  
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  April 26, 2021 1:57pm
Captain Mainwaring

Trouble at mill?
Comments on GD won’t open.
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April 25, 2021 8:57am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Fixed now,
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:30am
WaveyDavey

4 years in jail for removing a condom during sex

“Stealthing is ultimately removing the power and dignity of the individual, and it constitutes the erasure of that person’s bodily autonomy.”

I assume the same sanction will apply to women who lie about their contraceptive regime and miraculously fall pregnant?

Won’t hold my breath

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sex-assault-i-felt-judged-womans-anger-after-taking-stealthing-case-to-police/4KP5C6PNPNGQIGEHEOYBWGJTBI/
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April 25, 2021 9:14am
- Bea Rossini
  
  Shouldn’t he be wearing a condom to protect himself?
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:02pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Not the same thing at all – condoms serve more than one purpose.
  
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  April 26, 2021 8:21am
Monique Watson

I live in an affluent area of California. This Deputy shot and killed two men in a nearby town in 2018 and in March and is now charged with felony voluntary manslaughter for the March 11th killing of black man Andrew Hall in downtown Danville.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-04-22/video-california-deputy-shoots-black-man-within-a-minute%3f_amp=true
A culture of neutralize the threat regardless if one exists perhaps.
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April 25, 2021 9:27am
- fernglas
  
  I have trouble understanding why it seems acceptable in some parts of the US to open fire on someone fleeing arrest. Surely that goes well beyond reasonable force in self-defence?
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    So you let an armed man flee so he can wreck havoc on someone else down the road.
    
    I can’t understand why idiots don’t stop what they are doing when a police officer points a weapon at them.
    
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    April 25, 2021 1:45pm
- Inandout
  
  Monique, the anti cops are on a roll regardless. I note you live in an affluent area of California and may the population exodus from your state not leave more tent cities. You obviously are ‘Johnny on the spot’ so know more about what is happenning.
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:07am
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  Always the same, isn’t it. Had a knife.
  
  Why do the “racist” cops only ever “prey on” armed Black criminals, usually those they have interrupted during the commission of a crime or in preparation for the same? It’s never the Black honour roll students who are being “hunted.” Or the Black professional athletes. Or people like Oprah and Beyonce. Just the crims. Funny that.
  
  The answer of course is that there IS no significant White racist problem in America. To say there is is to invert reality. We are being gaslighted into believing the opposite of what is the case in fact. Instead, there is a chronic Black crime problem, racism with impunity against Whites, and the expectation to always obey the law is similarly directed at them only.
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:28am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep , it’s neo Marxism and anyone subscribing to that is a class enemy .
    
    Those who live in affluent peaceful suburbs better check their white privelige and how they came to be affluent cos there’s a new Cultural Revolution and people need to decide whose side they’re on.
    
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    April 25, 2021 11:43am
  - Monique Watson
    
    That’s incorrect. I’ll link the case of Caron Nazario, a black soldier, one of a number stopped and hassled by cops. Nazario was pepper sprayed despite being polite snd holding ID.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/police-pull-guns-spray-black-latino-army-officer/story%3fid=76992531
    The two black men did not comport themselves as well but they were not such a threat as to warrant being shot.
    Two men with mental illness and it may be that there are so many stories of needless brutal loss in communities all over America, That is why Chauvin’s death hit so hard. The law is there to protect communities and individuals not eliminate them unnecessarily.
    
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    April 25, 2021 12:36pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      They’ve killed Chauvon already? My god, I didn’t even think they’d sentenced him yet!
      
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      April 26, 2021 8:23am
  - Harriet
    
    All the books in all the world’s libraries were written under the protection of an army, in other words live outside that protection and you die.
    
    Defunding the police is an insult to mankind. 😎
    
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    April 25, 2021 1:39pm
    - Monique Watson
      
      Oh fuck. For the hard of hearing. I’ll break it down for you then: White policeman pepper sprayed law abiding black soldier Conor Nazario without provocation.
      Black man is part of the library protecting army. Black man good. White cop racist prick who made threats and asked Nazario if he was ready to ride the “white Lightening”.
      How many links do I have to post to debate the point at hand without it resorting to: “White Cop beyond reproach”, you reap what you sow”? 15? 20?
      Just sayin.
      
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      April 25, 2021 3:48pm
      - Keith White
        
        You sound… triggered.
        
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        April 25, 2021 9:14pm
      - Bea Rossini
        
        Thanks Monique.
        
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        April 25, 2021 10:25pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Stopped for the offence of Driving While Black
        
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        April 26, 2021 9:34am
Maggy Wassilieff

Raising a deaf child.
Top ballerinas and their profoundly deaf daughter.
https://www.abc.net.au/austory/sophies-choice/13293706
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April 25, 2021 9:31am
Maggie Pie

BREAKING….

My partner has already fielded an enquiry from one of his Christchurch clients, keen to purchase the beautiful new ‘Quds Rise’……Lebanon’s first locally manufactured EV.

Not sure they’ll sell too many in Beirut though. I don’t think they’ve had power there for the last couple of years?

https://twitter.com/arabnews/status/1386058427286409221
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April 25, 2021 9:57am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, most cars can be pushed or towed.
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:09am
- Harriet
  
  “…Christchurch clients…”
  
  ‘Quds’ Rise is the Arabic name for Jerusalem………..
  
  ……..and DPF was just complaining recently about the low % of electric government vehicles.
  
  Her, her PR team, Labour and it’s unions, will most certainly deliver on this! 😎
  
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  April 25, 2021 2:43pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/300285731/japanese-man-arrested-for-simultaneously-dating-35-women-to-get-birthday-gifts
That man deserves a beer ! ( But not for his birthday ).
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April 25, 2021 10:06am
- Inandout
  
  grey, a shortage of Japanese heterosexual males is to blame.
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:10am
- Jimbob
  
  He’s got balls. ?
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:23am
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/04/17/report-online-uyghur-slave-trade-booming-in-china/
China’s Online Uyghur Slave Trade.
“On Chinese websites, there are dozens of postings advertising Uighur [sic] labour, in batches of 50 to 100 workers,” Sky News reported on April 16. “Baidu, the company hosting the job postings, did not respond to a request for comment.”
Baidu is a Chinese multinational technology company providing Internet-related services, including China’s top search engine.
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April 25, 2021 10:16am
- kevn
  
  @curry… and cindy is blind to this? What a gal.
  
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  April 25, 2021 11:36am
  - CommanderC
    
    Not just Cindy but most of the NZ Left / the Aotearoans.
    
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    April 25, 2021 8:38pm
  - Bea Rossini
    
    … as reported on Breitbart?…..
    
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    April 25, 2021 9:10pm
- theoldbloke
  
  Being a cynical old bastard, I read all the links.
  No these people were not for sale.
  Their labour is for sale.
  
  And just as they have done for years(remember communism-central control) China has 5 year plans that moves “chunks”” of the population around.
  
  No I am not a fanboy for this practice.
  Just saying….
  
  Oh dear, better put my flakjack on, to protect from the self righteous 🙂 for not regurgitating the party line.
  
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  April 25, 2021 9:02pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/aWSn7peKJyg/
Biden Is Obama 2.0

Everyone pays more tax. Not just Al Gore. The MSM will back it to the hilt.
Unemployment will go from 5 to 7 %. The stock market, and crypto will fall.
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April 25, 2021 10:16am
Fletch

Niece of the BeeGees Barry Gibb, aged 56, dies just days after getting her second Pfizer jab. Her family said she had been, “fit, healthy, and happy”….

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9505055/Niece-Bee-Gees-singer-Barry-Gibb-dead-dog-side.html
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April 25, 2021 10:22am
- Apropos of the Wet Snow
  
  Seems she’s no longer Stayin’ Alive, or is that just my Jive Talkin’?
  
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  April 25, 2021 12:15pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Doesn’t mean the vaccine caused the heart attack. Just checked the numbers. 74 people on average in the UK die of heart attacks. Some of them this week will have just had the covid vaccine.
  
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  April 25, 2021 2:51pm
  - Keith White
    
    But… when someone dies of anything at all after a Covid test, the Word is they died of Covid.
    
    When someone dies of anything at all after a Covid vaccine, the Word is they died of anything but the Covid vaccine.
    
    Many of us have noticed this discrepancy.
    
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    April 25, 2021 9:16pm
Lance

On Q A a disability advocate was getting all excited that the new Maori health authority means they can bring in witch doctors as a whole person treatment . The equally left leaning GP sat there and said nothing to rebuke the lunacy.
Bloody hell
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April 25, 2021 10:29am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori have little to offer medicine. Their promoted manuka oil ranks well below the Australian Malaleuca (tea tree) as a therapeutic. The Aussie troops were issued with that for dressing open wounds! There are few better–specially good with stopping itching.
  
  As for spiritual healing we should all prefer the God revealed through Christ than other spirits which can appear to heal but can’t. Tohunga don’t make it.
  
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  April 25, 2021 12:35pm
  - Mike
    
    Got any evidence that your brand of magic spells is more efficacious than the incantations of rival witch doctors?
    
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    April 25, 2021 4:11pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      My life and others.
      
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      April 25, 2021 6:08pm
- peterwn
  
  It is not a matter of making people well. It is tricking them into feeling good. It might just be cost effective!
  
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  April 25, 2021 12:57pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  That stuff just shits me. I’ve got no issue with people using Maori “science” or medicine so long as they pay for it.
  
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  April 25, 2021 3:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Questions for Liberals:
1) If masks work, then why are masks not working?
2) If socialism works, then why do people risk their lives to escape it?
3) If high taxes work, then why do liberals refuse to voluntarily pay more?
4) If “gun control” works, then why do places with the strictest gun control have the worst problems with crime & gun violence?
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April 25, 2021 10:30am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Got any more arguments to start with false premises?
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I can’t see anything false. You should go to Specsavers
    
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    April 25, 2021 1:59pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Post of the day.
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:46am
- SB2
  
  “If socialism works, then why do people risk their lives to escape it?”
  
  Like here in NZ and Biden’s America?
  
  LOL
  
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  April 25, 2021 12:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are as stupid as Mike
    
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    April 25, 2021 2:53pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      To be fair, I think he is more stupid.
      
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      April 25, 2021 3:12pm
RightFirstTime

Did anyone see Helen Clark at the Six60 concert at Eden Park last night?
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April 25, 2021 10:40am
- kevn
  
  @Right… Prob on the porch listening for free. Passers by would have heard her muttering/complaining.
  
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  April 25, 2021 11:28am
  - Paulus
    
    Am sure that not all Helen Clark’s five and a half houses are around Eden Park.
    
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    April 26, 2021 2:02pm
- MCos
  
  You missed out a step.
  
  Did anyone here go to the concert?
  
  In my case – no.
  
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  April 25, 2021 12:04pm
- SB2
  
  Does it matter?
  
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  April 25, 2021 12:34pm
- Tall Man
  
  I think this guy did ….
  
  https://tenor.com/view/yuck-gross-disgust-eww-steve-carell-gif-3556274
  
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  April 25, 2021 1:36pm
ABS4EVA

WAR IS COMING TO THE PACIFIC

WAR IS COMING TO THE SOUTH PACIFIC

NEW ZEALAND IS NO LONGER A COUNTRY
IT IS A COMMUNIST SPY BASE

THAT ASSISTs THE CCP with the EVENTUAL
INVASION OF AUSTRALIA

2025-2035 Kick Off Happens
and it will be an ISLAND HOPPING
Marine BlitzKrieg when this happens
it will be so fast your eyes will Water

they may want Taiwan
and they will get that
BUT
TREASURE ISLAND
Australia is
THE GOAL

And they are using
THE USEFUL IDIOTS
of NZ to GET IT

Which they already CONTROL
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April 25, 2021 10:48am
- MCos
  
  What a load of crap.
  
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  April 25, 2021 12:10pm
  - Mike
    
    Someone was drinking a bit too early in the morning.
    
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    April 25, 2021 4:14pm
- SB2
  
  The falling Domine theory effect?
  
  https://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/domino-theory
  
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  April 25, 2021 12:34pm
- Harriet
  
  NZ’s being bought off so that it is out of the picture for the US, UK and Aust. NZ will now comply with China wishes or else you will be punished.
  
  That’s the difference between Australia and NZ, Australia doesn’t see a future with ‘Chinese characteristics’. China’s ‘social system’ is not for everyone and certainly not for entire nation states. You’ve just seen that send off with Victoria, and Spindy’s best mate Dictator Dan.
  
  Expect Collins to say something.
  
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  April 25, 2021 2:20pm
Maggie Pie

GOD tweets…..

https://twitter.com/TheTweetofGod/status/1386095784240705538
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April 25, 2021 11:21am
- Jack5
  
  Maggie, I worried for a moment you were talking about the 10.48 post above from ABS4EVA.?
  
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  April 25, 2021 11:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like Otago had a warm climate at the beginning of the 15th Century.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/124941758/study-shows-kmara-stored-in-otago-coast-pits-in-15th-century-may-even-have-been-grown-there?cid=app-iPad
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April 25, 2021 11:35am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, the article uses aotearoa regularly but it is known that name was never used to refer to New Zealand. The Moa birds in Otago were wiped out by being driven into swamps and then captured to eat. I am surprised Stuff refer to the previous Ice Age as we are told climate change is caused by humans; no debate will be entered into.
  
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  April 25, 2021 12:27pm
- SB2
  
  Minus man made heat trapping CO2 emissions.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018680168/weather-study-provides-glimpse-of-future-climate-change
  
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  April 25, 2021 12:29pm
  - alloytoo
    
    The CO2 effect if it ever existed it already saturated.
    
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    April 25, 2021 3:32pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Something very wrong with that graph. Everyone knows that the hottest decade world wide over the past century or so was the 1930’s.
    
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    April 25, 2021 3:54pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      If everyone knows that the hottest decade world wide over the past century or so was the 1930’s – then you will have no trouble providing a link to a reputable source in which that is stated.
      
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      April 25, 2021 5:19pm
      - Inandout
        
        ‘From 1931 to 1939, around 75 percent of the U.S. was plagued by unusually high temperatures, the worst drought in 1,000 years, strong winds, and resulting clouds of dust. This natural disaster gave rise to the term “Dust Bowl.”
        
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        April 25, 2021 8:20pm
- DeepBlue
  
  It always amazes me the graphs for climate change start at 1850, and yet in this article this year is when the little ice age ended.
  
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  April 25, 2021 12:42pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION….

Is ‘Daphne Whitethigh’ vegan?

https://twitter.com/italia_patriot/status/1385583241311100931
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April 25, 2021 11:43am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, my first thought was who listens to such inane shit? Get a real job girlie.
  
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  April 25, 2021 12:19pm
I remember when

Can we be truly neutral as a country in the way the left would like us to be.
Surely to be truly neutral means having a much bigger sized armed forces.
Is there a cheap, numerically low-numbered option.
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April 25, 2021 11:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Forces – yes. Armed – never under this flakey socialist lot
  
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  April 25, 2021 2:58pm
Inandout

My God our debt level is scary.
https://commodity.com/data/new-zealand/debt-clock/
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April 25, 2021 12:17pm
- Don Beckett
  
  That’s as at 2017. It’s way higher now with the Kind government paying out for alsorts.
  
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  April 25, 2021 3:57pm
  - Bea Rossini
    
    Like keeping your sister in prison?
    
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    April 25, 2021 9:23pm
KevO'Brien

Amazon/NZ/LOTR
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/521839-amazon-new-zealand-lord-of-the-rings/

The world stands amazed at how generous our Govt is buying Amazon as a friend. This suggests more corruption in high place and makes the $105M media subsidies looking like peanuts.
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April 25, 2021 12:39pm
- redflagged
  
  Well, Amazon and China. Two of the worlds biggest dictatorships.
  
  Next Ardern will have some sort of a summit with the largest tech companies in the name of something else but to gain more control and power.
  
  oh. whoops…
  
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  April 25, 2021 1:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We’ve got Amazon Web services arriving in Gizzy this coming week.
  http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20210424/talking-tech/
  Seems we all have to be in the Cloud.
  
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  April 25, 2021 3:39pm
ABS4EVA

President XI relaxed the One Child Police 2014-2015

Project 20 years and that is the Decade they WILL need Cannon Fodder

It also Coincides with completion and expansion of their GPS System which has a primary focus on…AUSTRALIA

You need to look at this PICTURE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeiDou

Look Observe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeiDou#/media/File:Beidou_Navigation_Satellite_System_2012.png

The do not need to worry about NZ because it has already capitulated.

The constant and continual belligerence shown recently to Australia really gives the game away.

They mean WAR and they are COMING.

The Only thing that stood in their way Traditionally was the American Pacific Fleet.

If you have not noticed America has collapsed
largely due to Chinese Communist Initiatives and
their deliberate release of COVID from their labs.

Designed to do what it is doing – weaken America
to allow eventual rapid expansion into the ENTIRE PACIFIC

The Speed of the NEW PACIFIC WAR has the potential to have a speed and ferocity difference between WW1 and WW2

It will be waged with speed and high tech brutality
the world has never seen before and you can not imagine.

Their Arrogance shown to Australia indicates they know they some Advantages and a PLAN in PLACE.

They have the deepest diving “Research SUBs”
these could come down the Mariana Trench
and be parked in SYDNEY Harbour undetected

They are going to militarise Space so they can
take out the American Military GPS System

Most of their Twin Hulled High Speed long range
craft have shallow draft to allow them to pull into
basically any Australian Beach and Offload tanks
troops and mobile artillerty

There will be no slow Dukes or Alligators
this is going to be RAPID

and Deep Sea ports are irrelevant to the initial resupply of their invasion forces

They are building an extensive network of Bases
throughout the Pacific.

Most of these have a FAKE Business FRONT
but are MILITARY.

So that they will be on your DOORSTEP
is Days not weeks once Kick Off Happens

This is one
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9188269/Queenslanders-hold-protest-waters-Keswick-Island-Chinese-company-leased-land.html

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/chinese-built-airport-next-door-australia-us-funded-navy-port

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/chinas-bold-new-fishing-plan-on-australias-doorstep-increases-tensions/news-story/a27224ce439fe490a93a7be81efb6148

Anyone who thinks these developments are purely Business needs a LABOTOMY

WAR IS COMING it is PLANED

and not appeasing Taniwha’s is going to STOP IT
COMING

There are daily Cyber attacks on the Australian Government they infiltrated the VICTORIAN
Labour Government whose
BELT AND ROADS BULL SH*T
had to be scrapped

Victoria was PACIFIC HQ WW2
it is now
COMMUNIST HQ in COVID

They are also setting up a large SPY BASE
pretend embassy in SOUTH AUSTRALIA

LIKE I SAID NEW ZEALAND
WAR IS COMING and all the
FART TALK from your PRETEND LEADERS
WILL NOT STOP IT

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-16/defence-warns-active-foreign-spies-threaten-shipbuilding-plans/12562536

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6241860549001

Adelaide’s ‘great wall of China’ raises suspicions about spying
19/03/2021|9min
The Adelaide Chinese Consulate, topped off with security cameras and patrolled by security guards, has left many suspicious it’s actually a base for “spying operations,” according to Sky News host Chris Kenny.

ALL OF THE ABOVE and THE FACT that
Their are 1000 CCP Active Agents on the Ground in Australia

That 1000 Figure was confirmed by a DEFECTOR

Indicates very clearly those 1000 spies are the
PRE INVASION FORCE

One of their roles in soft power is to lull a PACK OF GORMLESS Socialist MORONs into a State
of FALSE Security

Which I have to say until recently they have done
very well

ALL OF THE ABOVE + Xi’s
REPEATED ORDER for the PLA
to ………..

GET READY FOR WAR

Indicated it is coming

In fact if you were honest it has begun
they are the early phases

Cyber attacks Economic War spies

Do check out their MILITARY DRONE SWARMS

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-test-launched-swarm-of-suicide-drones-from-a-truck-2020-10?r=US&IR=T#:~:text=China%20is%20practicing%20unleashing%20swarms,from%20the%20backs%20of%20trucks&text=A%20Chinese%20defense%20contractor%20recently,of%20the%20system%20in%20action.

WAR IS COMING TO THE PACIFIC

it will be FASTER and MORE

BRUTAL and MORE HIGH TECH

THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE
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April 25, 2021 12:45pm
- Mike
  
  Are you okay?
  
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  April 25, 2021 4:17pm
- Jade Warrior
  
  Good grief, ABS4EVA are you auditioning to be this blog’s next PhilU?
  
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  April 25, 2021 4:19pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  I lived in China for ten years, multiple cities. It’s not the dystopian nightmare the corrupt MSM make it out to be. I was never as free as when I lived in China (overall).
  
  I have a mate in Dalian, who is as happy as a bug.
  
  No masks, no lock down, no pressure to take part in a clinical trial.
  
  At least Russia and China are not colluding against their own citizens and forcing experimental poison on to them. Lockdowns will be massive in NZ this winter, when they again pretend the flu is something new, called Covid 19. Fear Cindy more than China.
  
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  April 25, 2021 4:49pm
- MrTips
  
  Wow ABS4EVA
  
  I think you’ve been at war with your sanity for a while given that lot.
  
  You could do with professional support. Dr D4J could be of some help?
  
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  April 25, 2021 7:11pm
Prince

Can anyone help me understand the level of NZ Government debt ?
The taxpayers union used to keep a ‘debt clock’, but that no longer loads for me.
https://www.debtclock.nz/
Is there anywhere I can the latest figure, or at least one up to date to June 2020 ?
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April 25, 2021 1:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Look in your wallet and work out what used to be in there, and what is in there now?
  Quite simple, your wallet is empty
  
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  April 25, 2021 4:20pm
Maggie Pie

It had to happen 🙁

White cop comes across two black guys engaged in knife fight.

Contacts his Sargent for instructions on how to proceed…..

https://twitter.com/Yolo304741/status/1386096152744022025
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April 25, 2021 1:25pm
Maggie Pie

And I’ll tell you what I am seeing a lot of lately….
a large number of my US based Twitter followers are asking if Kamala Harris sucks at her new job?

Just saying.
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April 25, 2021 2:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop saying you did the research before you got the Covid Vaccine.
You ARE the research
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April 25, 2021 2:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oh lookie, 5 downticks means 5 commies
  
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  April 25, 2021 4:22pm
alwyn

I read with some interest a brief article in yesterday’s Dom Post. It was about the planned cycleway between Petone and Ngauranga.
Recently the DomPost has been enthusiastically pushing the Labour Party line that Transmission Gulley is an economic disaster. The price is apparently up to $1250 million for the 27 kms of multilane divided highway on very difficult terrain. That works out at $46 million / km.
The story in the paper says that the 5 meter wide cycleway will now cost $190 million for 4.5 km. That is $42 million / km!
The paper sees this as being entirely reasonable. What is it going to have? A gold plated pathway? For a hundred or so cyclists per day?
Where is the enquiry into this looming disaster?
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April 25, 2021 2:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Chair/bicycle lift to the top? And how to stop at the bottom?
  Fuck it, let the Wellywood Council deal with that shit
  
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  April 25, 2021 4:25pm
- rangitoto
  
  Wont the cycle lane land be under water in a year or two? Whatever happened to global warming sea level rise?
  
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  April 25, 2021 4:25pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The cycleway is presumably where it has always been, where I have watched the orca at play.
  
  What about the earthquake fault line that runs along there? The cyclists are closer to the sea than the adjacent motorway and will be in the drink first.
  
  Wellington does need alternative safe routes in and out of that city. It got its shape from earthquakes with serious changes back in the 1850’s.
  
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  April 25, 2021 6:20pm
  - alwyn
    
    The current cycleway is between the railway line, which is on the seaward side, and the motorway. 90% of the cyclists don’t, and won’t use it. They almost always ride on the road.
    The new cycleway is going to be on the other side of the railway line next to the sea. I expect that it will be closed due to the sea washing a bit of it out once or twice a year. It won’t matter though as I don’t expect the cyclists to use it anyway. No doubt they will insist that it be swept at least once a day to get rid of any stones that mar its surface. That seems to be their main moan about the current option.
    
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    April 25, 2021 7:08pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Alwyn… The current cycleway is covered regularly in glass and bits of netal that come off vehicles …
      
      Riding in the currebt cycle way is a tecipe for lots of puncture repairs. As a walking track its ok… For bikes yeah nah..
      
      But spending millions on building a new cycle way is stupud. The motorway shoulder is perfect for cycling.. Its wide and nicely surfaced…
      
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      April 25, 2021 9:07pm
      - alwyn
        
        Why does the cycleway have the problem and not the shoulder of the highway? It isn’t as if cars travel on the verge of the road so I would have expected it to have as much, or more, of that sort of rubbish rather than it being further away on the existing cycle track.
        If that is all the problem is why not just put a fairly fine mesh fence between the road and the existing track? Say a half centimeter mesh on a 1.5 meter high fence?
        
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        April 26, 2021 9:09am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        ‘Bits of glass and metal that come off cars’. Really? I drive rather old vehicles & can assure you that bits of glass & metal never fall off my cars.
        
        Put another way, perhaps Hutt & Wgtn Councils could organise a daily sweeping. Would be a bit cheaper, eh.
        
        Although, as I’m sure you know, racing cyclists will never use the lane provided as slower cyclists will impede their progress. No chance of the peleton waiting for a passing lane.
        
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        April 26, 2021 9:44am
- Paulus
  
  Like Auckland Harbour Cycle way – thank goodness it will not happen, but now they want a separate lane of the bridge dedicated for cycles, peds (and prams).
  
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  April 26, 2021 2:07pm
redflagged

I see on stuff.co.nz 5 minutes in the first 20 news items only 2 are related to ANZAC Day.

“Story #7” is basically Prince William being forced to eat ANZAC biscuits by his media handlers, then it takes to “Story #20” for a perspective called Lest We Forget. You could argue that Stuffed almost have forgotten.

I wonder if this would be the case on their site on Waitangi Day, or would be we lambasted with viewpoint and analysis about Maoridoom and being victims by systemic racism 100 years ago plaguing them today.
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April 25, 2021 2:54pm
- Bea Rossini
  
  I’ve seen heaps on Anzac Day. Watch some other channel maybe?
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This Fauci prick must be one of the stupidest wanks on the planet. Hey mods and Mike, the description is in the link – read it.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/dont-tell-fauci-oscar-attendees-wont-be-wearing-masks-while-on-camera-but-will-during-commercials/?
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April 25, 2021 3:23pm
- Bea Rossini
  
  We don’t live in Amurica Steve.
  
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  April 25, 2021 10:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No shit sherlock
    
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    April 26, 2021 11:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

No work tomorrow, so here we go. It is Never too early. Teetotalers, go to the basement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkLhJsHxYxM&list=RDKkLhJsHxYxM&start_radio=1
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April 25, 2021 3:39pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Love that song. Too bad about all of the downticks.
  
  Funny thing is that without realizing what I was about to listen to I was drinking Jack Daniel’s No. 7! Straight, no ice to dilute it.
  
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  April 25, 2021 6:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Me too!
    
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    April 26, 2021 8:13am
Tauhei Notts

I have been very critical of Sleepy Joe, but for him to come out and comment upon the Armenian genocide; well, I am surprised.
In my opinion that raises him from the depths of disdain.
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