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cmm

An unsuccessful person has the audacity to tell successful people how they should feel.

It seems that we should start defining ourselves according to the river we live closest to rather than by our professions because that’s what Maori did and they are well connected and have more healthy social structures.

“Hi I’m Richie McCaw I live near the Selwyn River, except when it runs underground which is most of the time then I live closer to the Waimak”.

Of course Maori people didn’t define themselves according to their profession. There were very few professions in Maori subsistence societies. People would get tired of hearing “Hi I’m Rangi and I dig kumara and catch fish”.

Successful people tend to be passionate about their area of expertise. They are successful. They make society function. Why not just leave them to get on with being successful?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/124741087/how-should-we-define-success
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April 6, 2021 8:00am
- artemisia
  
  She couldn’t resist a sly jab at Donald Trump. Join the dots.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:05am
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    Turned a $1 million loan from his father into a fortune of billions. What a loser!
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:01am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Bullshit.
      
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      April 6, 2021 12:52pm
      - Bluegrass
        
        It’s one thing being ignorant, but I admire your courage for being brave enough to put it on public display for all to see.
        
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        April 6, 2021 3:19pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Bluegrass
        I guess there must still be a few outliers that believe Trump is some kind of successful businessman, instead of the multiple bankrupt and serial fraudster shown by his actual record.
        
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        April 6, 2021 3:31pm
- pdm
  
  I helped plant a paddock of Kumara near Pakipaki in Hawkes Bay when I was in my early 20’s – bloody back breaking work.
  
  Smoko’s and lunch were good though as were the cold beers after.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:10am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  If you want to soar like an eagle don’t hang around with turkeys.
  
  Start by limiting your exposure to stuff, and the other propaganda bull horns.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:11am
  - Inandout
    
    Mr B, we await with anticipation the latest state of NZ print media and the almost certain abysmal circulation figures.
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:09am
    - G152
      
      They’ll just add in the freebies and throwaways to make it look as if they have a circulation
      
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      April 6, 2021 10:23am
      - nathie
        
        No doubt they will also say they got gazillions of clicks (on their online & click-bait articles) therefore audience figures are through the stratosphere!
        
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        April 6, 2021 11:09am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Too true G, they prefer to use nebulous terms such as “readership” rather than “paying customers”.
        
        I’ve lost count of the number of times either the Horrid or BOP Times implores me to take a free no-obligation 6-week trial subscription, no doubt around the time they’re counting subscribers. Occasionally I used to take the free trial, but since we no longer have a budgie there’s no use for the newspapers.
        
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        April 6, 2021 11:37am
      - alloytoo
        
        unless you have a bird, or an untrained puppy why would you want those freebies?
        
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        April 6, 2021 12:03pm
      - curry4me
        
        G152: Next time there’s a National led government, I hope ACT flatly forbid them to give money to failing MSM outfits.
        
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        April 6, 2021 1:55pm
      - Prince
        
        I understand under Labour the number of ‘free’ Domposts circulated to Public Servants has quintupled.
        
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        April 6, 2021 4:09pm
- redflagged
  
  “Why not just leave them to get on with being successful?”
  
  Jealous of their work ethic, and the lack of work ethic of others that want the success without said work. You know, all that equality crap. 🙂
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:17am
- Simon
  
  Lol- reading stuff and even funnier taking it seriously.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:22am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  So people like Einstein and the inventors of computers are bad because they make less professional people feel bad?
  
  So if someone starts to look too professional/successful we better take them down a notch or two. Everyone will feel better but be worse off.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:28am
- RockyJ
  
  Additionally, having worked over 30 years in organisational psychology, I have found, and the research says, that economic performance and mental health have a statistical positive correlation at the individual level. So, Yu bah sucks to the stupid Stuff article.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:49am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Funny, I read the article and was expecting it to have been written by someone with a maori background, possibly an academic. Had to chuckle when I saw her photo, a white privileged, middle class woman married to a successful businessman, expouting , “do as I say not as I do”. Shouldn’t have bothered. This is what Stuff are all about these days. Guilt ridden white libels or aggressive part Maori academics tell us how bad colonialism has been for NZ.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:58am
  - Frank Thomas
    
    FFS……meant say white liberals….
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:02am
    - softail 1450
      
      Frank ,I read it as liberals as most probably would as we are all used to seeing it that way, good post BTW .
      
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      April 6, 2021 9:14am
      - Jack5
        
        Frank, the writer of the article, Donna Miles-Mojab, is no liberal, and her ethnicity is Iranian (Iran’s very name means land of the Aryans) and she is White.
        
        Miles-Mojab is a capitalism-despising Leftist, and of strong “anti-colonial” views.
        
        This article includes a picture of Donna and her Mum.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/113086613/mums-story-from-a-brave-iranianlioness-to-a-proud-iraniankiwi
        
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        April 6, 2021 9:56am
      - Frank Thomas
        
        Might want to add hypocrite to the list to describe her as well Jack5. Seems quite happy to use the capitalist system she despises when it suits her.
        
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        April 6, 2021 10:57am
      - nathie
        
        Miles-Mojab is a capitalism-despising Leftist, and of strong “anti-colonial” views.
        
        How does Donna M-M reconcile these “anti-colonial” views (no doubt of the West/White) with her very own Iranian culture’s “superiority”?
        
        The first is that the land that is today Iran is the heir to a long line of remarkable predecessors. In its day, the Persian Empire was a superpower like nothing the world had ever seen-with a monotheistic religion, a vast army, a rich civilization, a new and remarkably efficient method of administration, and territory stretching from Egypt to Central Asia. All Iranians know that history well, and it is a source of enormous pride to them. It has given them a widely remarked sense of superiority over all of their neighbors, and, ironically, while Tehran now refers to the United States by the moniker “Global Arrogance,” within the Middle East a stereotypical complaint against Iranians is their own arrogant treatment of others.
        https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/books/chapters/the-persian-puzzle.html
        
        Methinks Donna M-M should be “outraged” about her own “colonial heritage” and do something about it (like speaking out against it), rather than coming here to throw stones in glass-houses, perhaps?
        
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        April 6, 2021 11:26am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Nathie – thanks for the history lesson, it explains a few things about iranians in general and one particularly useless, very vocal scum list Green MP.
        
        Yes, I realise I need to narrow it down – that could be any of them – and of course I refer to Ghahraman, the lying hypocritical waste of oxygen and taxpayer money who spends 90% of waking hours (should that be “woke hours”?) on Twatter.
        
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        April 6, 2021 11:56am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We are going to have to get our money back. We should be paid for the social, cultural, language and economic gains we brought to New Zealand. Preventing utu must be worth a fortune. No more muskets mean land rights.
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:07am
  - Sideoiler
    
    …..Had to chuckle when I saw her photo, a white privileged, …..
    
    Not sure you would call her white, a liberal certainly.
    An immigrant of Iranian descent, besties with a well known Persian pseudologist and a progressive opinion shaper by all accounts.
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:43am
    - Frank Thomas
      
      Apologies. Yes, my bad…….. I should never assume ones race by the colour of their skin. She did not identify by any other race/culture so I had to go by what my eyes told me. Next time maybe like stating what pronoun people prefer, she uses which race she wishes to identify with too….
      
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      April 6, 2021 9:56am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “progressive opinion shaper” – what on earth is that? Whatever it is, it sounds painful.
      
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      April 6, 2021 11:57am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  CMM Maori also define themselves by the might of their ancestors, their voyaging into a new land, warfare, acts of revenge, kindness, and acts of chivalry.
  A refugee from another country might think Maori would say “Hi I’m Rangi and I dig kumara and catch fish”, to resolve their own issues as having fled their homeland and not fitting comfortably into a new Country.
  Maori never fled NZ, they gave an opportunity for defeated tribes to regain their strength and fought beside one another in two World Wars with distinction.
  Their current battle dates from 1840 and takes place in the Courts bringing successive victories. But please maintain your confusion that anonymous posts are a way to rescue you from your fears.
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:14am
  - softail 1450
    
    Brian McDonald , I suggest you do some unbiased research on how the 28th Maori battalion served with “distinction”
    Of the six atrocities known to have been committed by NZ units during WW2 five were committed by the maori Bn .
    This included burning wounded German soldiers alive at Minquar Qaim and murdering Italian POWs at El Mreir ridge and Takrouna.
    Despite being only 5% of the strength on 2NZEF the Maori Bn were resposible for more than 50% of disciplinary issues .
    They also had nearly 60% of hospitalizations for std’s , 5 of the 10 Mb Co’s were sacked for various offences ranging from refusing to give back property looted from German POW’s to ordering Men to murder POW’s at San Silvestro.
    These are recorded facts not B/S Brian.
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:38am
    - Tall Man
      
      Monte Casino didn’t do their honour much good either.
      
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      April 6, 2021 2:09pm
    - Bluegrass
      
      Please.
      
      It’s a vibrant culture.
      
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      April 6, 2021 3:29pm
  - Jack5
    
    Brian McD mythologises ancient Maori.
    
    Like everyone else, the history is mixed. Waikato Maori, for understandable reasons, did not fight alongside other tribes in the NZ forces in World War 1. In the land wars, many Maori fought on the side of the British and the settlers.
    
    The “acts of chivalry”, Brian McD talks of, surely do not include enslavement and cannibalism of defeated tribes.
    
    “Maori never fled New Zealand”. They didn’t have the means. They had lost the art of ocean navigation and building ocean-going canoes that brought them to New Zealand centuries before.
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:43am
    - Inandout
      
      Jack, how can you ‘lose’ the art of ocean navigation? But I guess there is a lesson here about writing down all important facts for future use..oh shit..just remembered they didn’t have a written language. Someone must have been asleep at the wheel..oh wait..they didn’t have a wheel.
      
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      April 6, 2021 10:10am
    - softail 1450
      
      Jack5 ,if my memory serves me right Sir Hek Busby used to quote “to be fair Maori had a good grasp of voyaging North / South and South /North but absolutely no idea of how to navigate East /West or of course West /East ,he was the greatest modern day Whaka builder and expert at Maori navigation and I think he was a pakeha ???
      
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      April 6, 2021 10:33am
      - kiwikidsnz
        
        If I remember David Lewis’s book on Pacific Navigation correctly, this was because they had familiar star paths, ocean currents, bird migrations etc for navigating rough directions in latitude but you must have an accurate clock for calculating longitude
        
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        April 6, 2021 11:54am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        He had Muriwhenua iwi ancestry as well as European.
        
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        April 6, 2021 12:08pm
    - RockyJ
      
      Jack5. They lost the skill of ocean voyaging, it is hypothesed, because the planet entered a cooling phase known as the Little Ice Age. Oceans became colder and stormier.
      There, we can dispose of two myths in one go.
      
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      April 6, 2021 5:20pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘fought beside one another in two World Wars with distinction’
    
    Some guy posted here some years ago that the Maori battalion companies couln’t be trusted in the famous night attack at El Alamein not to shoot each other so they had to be broken up for that engagement contrary to the normal usages of a reserve unit……
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:49am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      In the initial Alamein attack, 28 Battalion was allocated the ‘mopping up’ role, behind the two brigades that led the attack, so was split for this into companies. The battalion operated as a full unit in the subsequent attacks. I’d be interested in any reference to this being anything other than a routine assignment.
      
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      April 6, 2021 2:46pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Don’t often agree with Mikey, but I believe that this is correct.
        
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        April 6, 2021 5:16pm
  - cmm
    
    I repeat my statement of a few days ago.
    
    I am open to moral guidance from many people. You are not one of them.
    
    If you want to be a successful person, then emulate successful people.
    
    In the context of being a successful person why would I want to emulate Maori?
    
    You’re not making much of a case there. Being revengeful or having ancestors or making voyages or being born by a different river hardly makes one successful.
    
    When we meet new people we ask them questions to show our interest in those people. With cultures that have professional people, multiple languages, and many dimensions there are a wider set of things to talk about.
    
    Subsistence cultures are the same the world over. They don’t have many things to discuss. They know all the people that live close by. If you meet someone new then they come from somewhere else, so that”s the first thing you’d ask them.
    
    I grew up spending a lot of time talking to rural African people (mainly Zulu and Pondo). The standard question when you met someone new was to ask where they came from. It was rather pointless asking them what they did for a living because that would be the same: herding a few cattle and raising maize.
    
    In clan-based warrior cultures knowing where someone comes from is the first step to classifying them as a friend or a foe.
    
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    April 6, 2021 10:05am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      3 of my Grandparents had the same surname and were raised within a few kilometres of each other.
      
      When I returned to the family stomping ground, I had to refer to each household location when mentioning them:
      1 grandmother was Macdonald Post Office
      The Other Grandmother was Macdonald, Kintra
      The Grandad was Macdonald, Machair
      
      Macdonald, Post Office married Macdonald, Machair
      
      Macdonald, Kintra went wild and married a McNicol
      from an island 100kms to the South.
      
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      April 6, 2021 12:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        Then the McDonalds got into fast food … now they are every bloody where.
        
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        April 6, 2021 12:59pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Ah Maggie, then you would be kin to my wife who is a member of clan Ranald (covers all the various isles clans and septs) on one side at least.
        
        The Snacks have no such link being partially descended from Aberdeenshire families, crossed it must be said with some Norman interlopers way back.
        
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        April 6, 2021 5:20pm
  - SB2
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Also I get ahead, got into politics, become a lawyer, a Doctor, etc, etc. ( Dr Reti, Kiritapu Allan and so on)
    
    cmm , so much for your typically crude stereotypes and gross generalisations
    
    What next a post on White Celtic pre-Maori civilization?
    
    BTW, a hint coming from t through that Maori , Zulu etc a genetically inferior to your human tyoe?
    
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    April 6, 2021 10:28am
    - Paulus
      
      Just read Kiritapu Allan has been diagnosed with serious Cancer so wish her well.
      
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      April 6, 2021 11:13am
    - cmm
      
      Some stellar mind reading from stephie.
      
      Where did I say, or claim, that anyone is superior to anyone else on a racial basis? This is a figment of your perverted imagination.
      
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      April 6, 2021 11:27am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Tall poppy bashing requires an immaculately presented face these days to ensure respectability…
  
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  April 6, 2021 10:20am
- Justitia
  
  This from Miles-Mojab in the NZ Herald, July 2016:
  “If you thought Isis were made up of just uneducated jihadists, you are very much mistaken. Isis has many highly educated followers who understand the full potential of science, technology and social media.
  
  There is no doubt that Isis is barbaric and murderous, but so are the military responses of the Western and regional forces that contributed to its creation in the first place.”
  
  An apologist for ISIS has a regular column in Stuff. Nice.
  
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  April 6, 2021 10:51am
  - Tall Man
    
    How about a “go fund me page” to shout him a trip to Syria to catch up with these “educated people” in person.
    
    Probably could be renamed as a “go fuck me page” in that case……
    
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    April 6, 2021 2:07pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Just the one-way ticket, thanks
      
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      April 6, 2021 6:20pm
- Justitia
  
  “The mountains look on Marathon—
  And Marathon looks on the sea;
  And musing there an hour alone,
  I dream’d that Greece might still be free;
  For standing on the Persians’ grave,
  I could not deem myself a slave.” (Lord Byron)
  
  The heavily outnumbered Greeks defeated the Persians at Marathon in 490BC and went on to lay the foundations of Western civilization. Democracy versus despotism, but despotism seems to be on the way back again.
  
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  April 6, 2021 4:50pm
Happychappy

What happened to the allegations on petrol price gouging that Jacinda Ardern and her fix it Minister Megan
Woods leveled at those involved the market.
So why didn’t they make this law in their first term of Government or are they banking on talking about it like everything else they to maintain the middle voter. Petrol is now 50cents dearer than when Labour promised to stop gouging and I guess they were proved wrong and the cause was though their climate policy, so wind up the public with lies and deciet by going after others from other industries.
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April 6, 2021 8:01am
- sooty
  
  It’s been put in the too hard basket!
  
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  April 6, 2021 10:06am
  - Nickc2
    
    Since when has the BS basket become the too-hard basket?
    
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    April 6, 2021 11:32am
    - Tall Man
      
      It’s now full.
      
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      April 6, 2021 2:04pm
- cmm
  
  Wait for it…. Kiwipetrol.
  
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  April 6, 2021 10:11am
  - softail 1450
    
    CMM, get Phil onto it right now .
    
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    April 6, 2021 10:37am
  - RalphT
    
    Surely given that all they ever do about anything, shouldn’t they call it Kiwigas?
    
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    April 6, 2021 11:44am
    - sooty
      
      Phil must be at a loose end now that the train from Hamilton is up and running!
      I see that they threw out three years of his work on light rail as well. Must have decided it was a can of worms! He must be heartbroken!
      
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      April 6, 2021 12:26pm
      - curry4me
        
        sooty: He’s still ‘Minister of Disarmament’. He’ll probably order a carrier group, or something like that.
        
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        April 6, 2021 2:02pm
      - Tall Man
        
        3 years of his “work” is about $1,000,000 in salary.
        
        Isn’t “unearned income” taxed at a higher rate?
        
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        April 6, 2021 2:03pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep, as Minister of Disarmament he’s going to be a bit conflicted over Rocket Lab’s launches……
        
        https://www.newsroom.co.nz/twyford-takes-on-autonomous-weapons-outer-space
        US-owned and NZ-based company Rocket Lab has faced scrutiny for years over its contracts with the American military and ties to weapons manufacturers, while its launch last month of a satellite for the US Army’s Space and Missile Defense Command was criticised heavily by the Green Party.
        
        Twyford signed off on previous Rocket Lab launches during his time as Economic Development Minister,
        
        https://www.newsroom.co.nz/twyford-takes-on-autonomous-weapons-outer-space
        
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        April 6, 2021 3:54pm
    - cmm
      
      A working group will be set up to discuss this important issue.
      
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      April 6, 2021 12:34pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Use to be called Europe and was owned by the Todd family. It was bought by Atlantic and merged with Mobil eventually.
    
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    April 6, 2021 8:15pm
- I remember when
  
  Big problem:
  The dearer petrol gets the more likely people are to buy electric/hybrid cars.
  Unfortunately electricity is also rising like a CO2 graph.
  When I was in the political science class they didn’t tell me government would be this hard.
  
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  April 6, 2021 3:50pm
I remember when

The author of a recently published book suggests 5.2 million people die from inactivity each year.
It states that inactivity is the 4th biggest killer in the world.
1.5 billion people are so inactive they are at risk.
86% of British children move so little their long-term health is in jeopardy. The argument is that our lives are being stripped of ‘incidental movement.’ This isn’t purposeful exercise but everyday activity.
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April 6, 2021 8:07am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, I watch families in cafes sitting transfixed by their mobiles, only to be interrupted by food and drink, then back to the small screens. What is the point of having a family outing if there is little conversation?
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They might be txting each other.
    
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    April 6, 2021 11:54am
Maggie Pie

Remember I broke the news here yesterday that a person had died over in Upland Road and Police were in attendance.
They are still calling the death….. ‘unexplained’.

Well that’s quite funny, because last night I got a call from one of the girls at tennis who knows exactly what happened.

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1379157910366822401
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April 6, 2021 8:10am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, mortgage repayment problems?
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:15am
RW Capitalist

I see (from the AMshow)
A whole 56 people caught the Hamilton to Auckland (Papakura 1/2 way to Auckland) train.
The reporter (loose term), let slip that it will take them 1 hr LONGER to get to Auckland, than if they drove.
Lets start a book on how many will be taking it in 1 month, 2 months, 6 months?
Getting up 1 hr earlier and getting home 1 hr later.
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April 6, 2021 8:10am
- Rich Prick
  
  How many people in Hamilton hold a burning urge to visit Papakura? Fewer than an ATR72 load by the looks of it.
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:04am
  - softail 1450
    
    Rich Prick No, it’d be okay for a visit as long as NZ rail handed out flak jackets to every traveler game enough to give it a go.
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:50am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Stuffed telling lies again.
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/it-s-about-convenience-commuters-flock-aboard-new-hamilton-to-auckland-intercity-rail-service/ar-BB1fkhGC?ocid=msedgdhp
  
  ‘flocking on board’ my arse. 56 on a train with 150 seats, and it’s never going to get better than the first day novelty crowd.
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:17am
  - Nickc2
    
    Those flocking to the damned thing were media and politicians. Capacity 150, fare-paying passengers today 56. That alongside Kiwibuild, light rail to Akld Airport and Covid-19 vaccination rollout are but a few of the Govt’s successes during their time occupying the Treasury Benches.
    I doubt they could fuck up my country more if they tried.
    Oh, shit, I’ve just been informed that’s been their intention all along.
    
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    April 6, 2021 10:10am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      What makes you think that all of the 56 passengers paid their way?
      
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      April 6, 2021 6:22pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Lack of reports to the contrary. However, I take your point.
        
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  - kevn
    
    @captn… No photos of the train joyride ‘flock’ I noticed.
    
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    April 6, 2021 10:12am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  You could lease a Chinook that can carry 56 people and operate two return flights per weekday (25minutes each way) for about $3million per annum. You’d get 30 years of that for what they are spending on this train boondoggle.
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:22am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    In 5 years electric VTOL air taxis will be able to undercut these trains, and present a far faster, cleaner, greener option that can fly to and from any heliport. From below it appears the will initially be charging ~$1000/hr (half of what a typical helicopter costs) they can eventually drop to a small fraction of that as they work the kinks out through increased production and learning curves, but even initially they can do it for $125/pax unsubsidised with 25 minute flight time, whereas the train is costing $500/pax with >95% subsidy.
    
    This white elephant train is clearly doomed to obsolescence even now. Expect embarrassing stories about low patronage in a few months and a coup de gras within the year.
    
    “Joby expects each aircraft to cost $1.3 million to manufacture, with the potential to reduce that amount by half in the future. Joby also projects that each aircraft will generate $2.2 million in revenue. It assumes that every aircraft will fly 7 hours a day and spend 12 hours in operations — or 2,300 hours a year and 4,500 hours in operation — with an average of 2.3 passengers per trip.”
    
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    April 6, 2021 3:18pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      It makes me so angry we refuse to develop our natural resources while squandering our financial resources on white elephants, Maori koha and other forms of endless vote-buying.
      
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      April 7, 2021 10:47am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I want to use that train on Friday 16th.
  Twenty minutes of searching on The Net and still do not know how to book on it.
  This is a sick joke.
  
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  April 6, 2021 11:01am
Happychappy

Waikato-Tainui : HamiltonCouncil going backwards by rejecting Maori Wards.
Well isn’t it about time one Council showed some balls and rejected this bullshit.
Mayor Paula Southgate says more discussions are needed before her Council can establish Maori Wards, she also adds rushing to establish Maori Seats would have divided her City.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/waikato-tainui-hamilton-council-going-backwards-rejecting-m-ori-wards
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April 6, 2021 8:15am
- Inandout
  
  Happy, can a boycott be started and sports meetings be shifted from that area, as in Georgia? This rejection of a racist move is so racist.
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:19am
  - doublehappy
    
    The boycott in Atlanta is based on politics and lies and has no bearing on the apartheid of having special seats on council for one race of people. I have strong beliefs in both cases and your trying to tie them together is nonsense. Think before you write!
    
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    April 6, 2021 10:41am
    - Inandout
      
      double, lighten up.
      
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      April 6, 2021 12:55pm
- RockyJ
  
  Congratulations Hamilton City for showing a glimmer of guts. Stand up to these bullies! Your constituents will back you.
  Don’t worry about “not honouring te Tiriti”. It just means giving Maori activists whatever they demand.
  
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  April 6, 2021 5:31pm
I remember when

The RNZ news items is about two repeat paua poachers being banned from fishing.
So why does the accompanying photo show fishing nets drying in the sun.
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April 6, 2021 8:16am
- Tall Man
  
  “Paua nets” …….
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:56pm
- Nickc2
  
  Some woke chickey babe with access to a database of fishing graphics chose it because . . . . . Oh Ef, just cause, move on, get ova it!//
  IMO, that about sums up our MSM.
  
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  April 6, 2021 2:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Will it be all go on Friday?
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6246745191001
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April 6, 2021 8:19am
- rangitoto
  
  They even beat Jethro!
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:25am
- MCos
  
  I had a look at some of the other stuff on SkyNews. They don’t have anything good to say about the way the Queensland & Victoria Labor premiers have handled the COVID-19 situation, but the Liberal bloke in NSW is right on the mark!
  They don’t like our PM either, nor does the Australian. I wonder who owns these outlets?
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:42am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    I guess you mean Gladys Is doing a good job, which she is, how sexist of you.
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:07am
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… It will coincide with other not so good news. For cindy/labour.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:43am
- alex Masterley
  
  The news from Aus means the PM has been forced into a corner and will have to make a decision. That will be a shock for her.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:48am
  - cmm
    
    Is deciding to set up a working group actually a decision?
    
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    April 6, 2021 8:56am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Another panic merchant leader and star studded health team join the already overcrowded egoistical
  Premiers. What could possibly go wrong, I give it days not weeks before it all comes crashing down.
  Victoria starts taking Internationals Thursday yet again, WA still a separate country.
  What an absolute farce this will turn into.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:59am
  - kowtow
    
    I imagine the poor bastards who do ‘plane scheduling , rosters etc must be pulling their hair out .
    With these Muppets in charge how can anyone actually plan anything ?
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Don’t the Aussies have a say too? Their States have even stopped travel among themselves. Are we going to be limited to the coastal upper West?
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:13am
Justitia

Was the COVID 19 virus engineered in the Wuhan Institute of Virology? The following report, one of many, indicates the virus was manipulated in the Institute to serve as a “chimera” as part of a “gain of function study” to increase the transmissability of the virus to make it easier to repeat scientific experiments more quickly: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3945654
I have cited the Taiwan News link because it isn’t paywalled but there are many other more detailed reports in other journals on the manipulation of the virus that was undertaken in Wuhan.
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April 6, 2021 8:20am
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  More detailed reports? Like Gateway, Newsmaxx, Brietbart etc?
  
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  April 6, 2021 10:37am
  - I remember when
    
    If you don’t know where it did start – you don’t know where it didn’t.
    Of course someone possibly does.
    
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    April 6, 2021 12:21pm
- NoCash
  
  The article linked is almost a year old, and the following bit from the article hasn’t aged well, has it?
  
  The study’s authors also pointed out that the virus has hardly mutated since it began to infect humans, apparently suggesting that it was already fully adapted to human biology in the laboratory. Sorensen told Norway’s NRK on Monday (June 8) that this is “quite unusual for viruses that cross species barriers.”
  
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  April 6, 2021 12:26pm
  - Justitia
    
    No, the virus’ mutation into various strains (Brazilian South African, Kent etc) was not reported until the pandemic was well underway and at least six months after it was detected in Wuhan.
    
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    April 6, 2021 1:30pm
    - NoCash
      
      Cambridge researchers were studying variants of covid and published an article in early April 2020.
      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200409085644.htm
      
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      April 6, 2021 3:18pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Does depend on what you mean by “mutation”.
        
        All RNA viruses like BCV’s mutate quite rapidly, and at reasonably well defined rates in specific areas. For example, their genetic code (the coding part anyway) is broken into groups that encode for specific amino acids, but only some of the codon is specific, there is one part that may relate to geometry and expression but doesn’t change the amino acid definition. Those parts can change it relatively fixed rates as they only minimally affect the virus. This fact can be used to “date” viral samples as overall the % change in these null codes is related to replication distance apart.
        
        What is unusual about the Covid-19 virus is that it has two specific spike protein mutations right from the start that are essentially optimised for human interaction, one being the oft referred to “furin cleavage site”. Those specific changes are NOT found in any other BCV from any source, and would appear to be a specific human oriented adaptions.
        
        If there is an intermediate host that allowed this change, then it has not been identified. For example for the original SARS outbreak, the intermediate was identified as Civet Cats, and the original SARS virus was well adapted to infecting them (that’s how they were identified). But although being adapted to Civets allowed the virus to “leap” to Humans, it was not well adapted to humans and as a result although considerably more lethal than Covid-19, the SARS virus was unable to spread well enough to sustain a true pandemic.
        
        Covid-19 as pointed out is different, it “appears” to be specifically well adapted to humans, and as a secondary, to mice. But Mice are not an intermediate host possibility as normally they are not affected by BCV’s. However, just as a note, “humanised” mice are the lab animal of choice used in “Gain of Function” research with viruses.
        
        There is fairly compelling evidence as above that Covid-19 is in fact an accidental lab escape from a GoF experiment. And it’s not just China involved, the GoF research on BCV’s that was carried out at the Wuhan lab was sponsored by US researchers, and the funding for it was apparently slipped through deliberately avoiding the usual NIH safety reviews required. This research was carried out in the US until around 2012-3, but was stopped because of safety concerns; so was transferred to somewhere with less concern for safety.
        
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        April 6, 2021 5:37pm
Simon

From court evidence to date Chauvin should walk. Floyd died from drug overdose. Meth & fentanyl. Had hypertension and heart problems. The attending officers tried to save Floyd’s life had him the recovery position by time the paramedics arrived.

Chauvin was acting within his training and guidelines in restraining the much larger angry drug overdosing Floyd despite what a few amateur by standers claimed. There was no blood choke. What a clown this witness is. In time the angry crowd gathered which prevented the police and then medical staff giving timely medical assistance to the drug overdosed Floyd.

Chauvin prosecution pure political. The New York Times desperate to dox the Jury and the angry mobs are gathering. The evidence against Chauvin is so weak and emotional they had to bring private lawyers for prosecution team. Nasty stuff. Show trial.
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April 6, 2021 8:30am
- fernglas
  
  Remarkable. Out of all those years of life, Floyd just happened to choose those few minutes where Chauvin was kneeling on his neck to spontaneously pop his clogs?
  Have you ever heard of positional asphyxia? When the body is restricted in its ability to ingest enough oxygen to survive when it is in a heightened state of anxiety or stress, because of the way it is restrained?
  Just because Floyd had heart problems and had taken drugs doesn’t mean that the restraint wasn’t a real and substantial cause of death. At law, you take your victim as you find them. The “eggshell skull” rule. When the “few amateur by standers” include the Chief of Police and the guy in charge of use of force training, then you have to think that Chauvin has problems.
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:46am
  - softail 1450
    
    Fernglas I see you’ve discounted the fact that the knee was never on his neck at all ,have you not seen the video and still photo evidence ? it was on his upper back not his neck..
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:55am
    - fernglas
      
      Same cause of death either way. Asphyxia leading to cardiac arrest.
      
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      April 6, 2021 10:54am
      - kevn
        
        @fern… A tragic loss indeed.
        
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        April 6, 2021 12:27pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Now as you seem to be such a medical authority, my left foot has been a bit sore …………..
        
        I have worked pub security. Ever let an angry man back up after you’ve had to put him down?
        
        I doubt you’ve ever been in the situation Chauvin was in and all the training in the world does not prepare you for an angry hopped/drugged up monster who refuses to cooperate. There is no good outcome possible here other than protecting those around the individual and I thank god we didn’t have cell phones or fucking “karens” around in my day of keeping patrons safe.
        
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        April 6, 2021 1:23pm
      - fernglas
        
        All life unnecessarily wasted is a tragic loss.
        
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        April 6, 2021 1:35pm
      - rangitoto
        
        He said “I can’t breathe” which proves he was in fact able to breathe.
        
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        April 6, 2021 2:33pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        “All life unnecessarily wasted is a tragic loss”
        
        Depends upon your particular articles of faith. I can think of no end of cases where I judge that not to be true – eg people sitting around in jail for life at huge expense (and concomitant loss of freedom), or dementia and other brain-damaged individuals that require the steady expenditure of other’s lives to maintain theirs without ever paying society back for it in some manner.
        
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        April 6, 2021 4:55pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Wrong, the worst I think one can accuse the police of is not recognising earlier that Floyd was suffering from a potentially lethal overdose of Fentanyl and that the complaint “I can’t breathe” – uttered a number of times before he was restrained, is in fact symptomatic of a Fentanyl overdose induced incipient cardiac arrest.
        
        The autopsy revealed that his heart was significantly enlarged, he had arterial disease, and his lungs were also enlarged and full of fluid. The fluid issue is common in fentanyl OD cases.
        
        It does seem likely that unless his actual cardiac distress was recognised promptly and he was calm enough to be given emergency treatment (which he wasn’t, hence the officially approved use of the neck hold to subdue him enough for transport), Floyd would have died fairly shortly regardless of what the police did.
        
        I doubt the neck pressure helped, but it is also apparent from the official autopsy that there was no injuries and, most importantly, no sign of positional asphyxia.
        
        It is a show trial, made worse by the pretence that it is in some way a fair trial.
        
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        April 6, 2021 5:44pm
- SB2
  
  “Derek Chauvin trial: Kneeling on George Floyd’s neck violated policy, says police chief”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300269922/derek-chauvin-trial-kneeling-on-george-floyds-neck-violated-policy-says-police-chief?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
  
  Plus three Medical Examiners rule that George Floyd’d death was Homicde,
  
  https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/chauvin-trial-drugs-heart-george-floyd-death/507-79911bcd-3cbe-44ee-8e44-30e00baf8010
  
  Next question!
  
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  April 6, 2021 10:43am
- Inandout
  
  But Simon, all the months of burning, looting, and kneeling must have been for a reason. Heck, even our Black Caps did half a prayer position.
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:01pm
RW Capitalist

Q: Since group 2 of the recipients of the vaccine roll out was supposed to start on 31 March, how many have been vaccinated from this group?
and
Have they completed group one yet?
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April 6, 2021 8:30am
Maggy Wassilieff

For 4 days the NZ herald and TV media have been running stories about police behaviour after an out of control party in Christchurch.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ipca-investigating-cops-behaviour-at-out-of-control-christchurch-party/3BN7E2VHTV4VMKGPESPV6MTYTI/

But within a day of a police officer receiving a fractured skull after a baseball bat bashing, the story seems to have dropped out of sight.
I can’t find any information in the media today on the Officer’s condition.

Looks like there is a media agenda to always paint frontline officers in a bad light.
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April 6, 2021 8:36am
- igm
  
  Coster/Ardern would not like these to be exposed.
  Seems she has further failure at her feet.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    The Police association reckons these vicious assaults have been increasing in frequency:
    
    Assault on the job was the kind of risk officers faced far too often as people seemed more willing to have a go at police, NZ Police Association president Chris Cahill said.
    
    Speaking before information on the officers’ injuries was released, Cahill said they were seeing more assaults against police that are at “the serious end”.
    
    “I think, generally, people are more willing to have a go at police, and more willing to use serious violence.”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/124745691/police-officer-suffers-skull-fracture-in-baseball-bat-attack
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:08am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Prison officers are being assaulted in record numbers whilst the minister fiddles. Don’t expect anything from this mob their entire world view is of victim / oppressors .
      
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      April 6, 2021 12:37pm
- SB2
  
  MW, The latest Monday
  
  “One suffered a concussion and was discharged, the other has a skull fracture and remains in hospital in a stable condition, a police spokesperson said…”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-national/officers-skull-fractured-waikato-baseball-bat-assault
  
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  April 6, 2021 10:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, SB2
    
    I had a post up about this assault yesterday..don’t you remember?
    
    You wrote that my post was pointless and then tried to associate me with the National Party.
    Don’t you remember?
    
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    April 6, 2021 1:45pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Stuff reported yesterday that ‘one officer suffered a skull fracture and remained in hospital in a stable condition on Monday afternoon’.
  Perhaps there is no further update on his condition today. Or perhaps there is an elaborate media conspiracy to downplay such incidents.
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:10pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

New Zealand gains spot on ‘UN CONTRIBUTION HONOUR ROLL’

Australia misses out on ‘Prompt Payment Discount’

https://www.un.org/en/ga/contributions/honourroll.shtml
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April 6, 2021 8:39am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Where’s sleepy Joe maybe he can’t find his pen to sign the cheque!
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:13am
  - sooty
    
    Had trouble remembering his name, let alone signing it!
    
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    April 6, 2021 12:30pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  I think it is very generous of Australia to contribute 40% more per capita than New Zealand.
  
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  April 6, 2021 12:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Emma Cook provides a clear overview of the Mental Health Report

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/109548012/emma-cook-cartoons
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April 6, 2021 8:39am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  She made the mistake of saying ‘New Zealand’ instead of ‘Aotearoa’.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh dear, that must have been redacted..
    It’s there in the Foreword:
    
    This annual report presents data
    about the use of compulsory assessment and treatment legislation in Aotearoa New
    Zealand
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/office-director-mental-health-addiction-services-annual-report-2018-2019-mar21.pdf
    
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    April 6, 2021 8:58am
  - edhunter
    
    Good vibes/news = Aotearoa
    Bad vibes/news = New Zealand
    
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    April 6, 2021 9:18am
    - softail 1450
      
      edhunter ,where then would we use” New Xi land”
      
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      April 6, 2021 10:04am
    - SB2
      
      does Aotearoa New Zealand sit well with you?
      
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      April 6, 2021 10:52am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        It has no merit, beside virtue signaling, to name something twice.
        In a Maori language context, or an English language context, then just one is fine.
        We don’t need to double say Tane-Man, Wai-water, Tama-Boy, kai-food or whare-house etc. so there is no point to this double naming beyond the political theatre.
        Think think about about it it.
        
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        April 6, 2021 4:39pm
  - doublehappy
    
    Credit where credit is due.
    
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    April 6, 2021 10:53am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    According to Micheal Kings fantastic History of New Zealand Aotearoa is not and never had been the Maori name of the entire land mass only being popularised as such by Europeans as such in the early 20th century. Rather they had names for the separate islands not having the concept of NZ as nation and single geographical state. Sort of hilarious really the wokery being invested by virtuous conscious. Forgive me for not giving precise reference but I’m on holiday and don’t have the book to hand.
    
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    April 6, 2021 12:50pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It is well documented in the Dictionary of NZ English..p.13-14.
      
      The first published use of Aotearoa is by Governor Grey in “Polynesian Mythology”
      
      Then Ngahue went to seek a place where his jade stones might remain in peace, and he found in the sea this island Aotearoa (the northern island of New Zealand), and he thought he would land there.
      
      http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-GrePoly-c1-9.html
      
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      April 6, 2021 2:19pm
      - Southtop2
        
        Yes New Zealand’s original Maori name was Nu Tireni. This was a translation from New Zealand as there was no name for the entire country – populated by independent tribes.
        Aotearoa was the name of the North Island.
        Tongue slightly in cheek but maybe the North Island could change its name to Aotearoa and the South Island could be either independent or a state of Oz? That way the progressives could have their broken country and the Southerners could open oil and gas and get on with living 🙂
        
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        April 6, 2021 5:10pm
Yvette

Referring to yesterday evening’s post by David Farrar, “Little bullshitting to Pike Families” –
And, if Pike River gives you the urge to vommit, please scroll down beyond this comment …

This time [meeting Wednesday] all families are invited – and there will be a vote on whether the Government should review its decision not to go further.

A Cabinet Paper on the Establishment Of The Pike River Recovery Agency says at paragraph 37 –
At a point when the process of recovering the drift is well advanced the responsible Minister will report to Cabinet on whether any further work to assess the feasibility of re-rentering the mine workings should be undertaken. The responsible Minister can also at the appropriate point, in the light of information gained from the recovery, make recommendations about any further inquiries necessary into the Pike River mining disaster.

Point 1 – reference to actually viewing and evaluating the roof-fall is in the draft of this Cabinet Paper, but does not appear to be in the Paper itself.
Point 2 – the Paper says the “Minister will report to Cabinet on whether any further work to assess the feasibility of re-rentering the mine workings should be undertaken” – so Little will say whether an assessment will be done. Indeed he appears have already done that, recommending “no assessment”.

So, one assumes that if the families vote in favour of further action, that action will ask Little to assess safety and cost of re-rentering the mine workings. – a families “yes” vote would see Little doing some more paperwork, which would still then go, with his recommendation, to Cabinet for a final decision.

Police prosecutions and police independence are supposed to be sacrosanct, so a minister pre-judging a prosecution and what could impact its success could be seen as over-reach. And if those warnings potentially spook victims into silence, that’s beyond the pale.

Families voting “No” will likely see Little stay with the decision he has already made – to not do the assessment – so, with no recommendations on safety or cost, and no funding approved, no entry of the mine workings would occur.

That, on the negative side, likely means that any Police case relating to the popular trending theory that the main ventilation fan, or parts of it, caused the explosion, would not be proven without the physical object that re-entry of the mine workings themselves could provide.
The families can not vote on any Police decision, but to agree with Little on no re-entry to the actual mine working does obviously handicap further Police investigations.

As the Police have requested six boreholes be made, the locations of those and reasons for selecting those locations, may disclose their interests in securing further visual evidence. Knowledge of those locations and reasons could possibly influence the families in their vote on Little doing an assessment.
It also questions the transparent interaction, or lack of it, between groups now still involved at Pike River –

Following paragraph 37 (quoted above) there is –
the usual kindness, well-being transparency, integrity, honesty which is the “bullshit” that almost no stake-holder really appears to adhere to –
38. Families’ perceptions about the outcomes ultimately achieved will be dependent on their meaningful engagement in the decision-making process.
39. In this context we propose that the following operating principles apply to the Agency:
• at all times act with the safety of those being considered for re-entry into the mine as paramount.
• establish a trusted relationship with the families, including by working together on the design and implementation of a process that engenders public confidence, emphasising public transparency
• proactively engage with the families in its decision-making processes, taking full account of information and expertise the families bring to the process
• act transparently in the conduct of its work, providing opportunities for input into and on draft conclusions, particularly in regard to the families
40. The Commerce Commission and the Resource Management Act provide models for effective and transparent consultation processes. The Agency will design its processes with these and other best practice models in mind. – Cabinet Paper

It would seem in demanding the action of paragraph 37 (referring to the assessment to re-enter the mine itself) that paragraphs 39 – 40 are being ignored in terms of polite but strong, transparent, honest interaction – supposedly what honours “our men and boys”.

And in respect of that – a simple, transparent, honest question –
The main ventilation fan, or parts of it, being in an “non-restricted area” (as defined by the risk of an electrical system possibly being a source of ignition, that some components – like the brass bush seal between the drive shaft and the stopping [1] – could deemed safe be left out of its installation), if the ventilation fan, or parts of it, did ignite the first explosion, would not the cause of the explosion, in an “non-restricted area”, be an unexpected gas presence that should not have been there, but was, and whatever factor caused that was the actual cause of the disaster?

Beyond reasonable doubt –
66. Further testing continued and on 22 October 2010 the underground main fan came online and the surface fan switched to standby duty. Almost immediately the main fan suffered problems associated with the VSD power supply and other issues. Problems continued as the new model was installed in the same VSD cabinet but had a different thermal requirement, and to avoid rising temperatures tripping the power, the mine installed ducting to direct air over the VSD. An air conditioning unit was also ordered, but had not arrived at the time of the explosion. [1]
Could a factor, as simple as this air conditioning unit, be responsible for any main fan failure, and without an appointed ventilation-system supervisor, who was responsible? Who would be prosecuted, given too there would still be the need to explain excessive gas levels? – the same non-appointed ventilation-system supervisor?

Will any further investigation provide what a prosecution requires? Or does it offer Families only more false hope in kicking the can further down the mine?

This Government is good at that. After all, kicking the can down the road is about all it does.

[1] https://pikeriver.royalcommission.govt.nz/vwluResources/Final-Report-Vol2-Part1-only/$file/Report-Vol2-Part1-only.pdf page 93, paragraph 65
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April 6, 2021 8:46am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What a waste of time and money the proposed enormous expenditure to find out very little when he is right under their nose.
  
  The evidence required to prove a criminal case about an explosion possibly triggered by static electricity is impossible to gather. There are too many unknowns and each can becomes a defence. Wasting 10’s of millions more on uncertainty or ego scratching is sufficient to sack a govt.
  
  Isn’t Little hiding the fact that he was one who authorised this engineering disaster? They flew in the face of international practice for gas producing coal mines–they must be open or else.
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:25am
  - Yvette
    
    KevO’Brien. Half of electrical engineer Richard Healey theory is an unknown – he names the main ventilation fan, or parts of it, as the likely source of ignition, but does not seem to at all explain why a massive mixture of methane and oxygen was present to be ignited.
    
    An explosion requires an explosive agent and an ignition. To claim a point of ignition to be responsible, answers only part of the question and anyone accused of an oversight or action that lead to the ignition could immediately ask, in defence, Explain why there would be the right amount of incendiary gas at that point – place and time – to be ignited.
    Where did “a substantial volume of methane” (Commission’s Report) come from?
    
    And how clever would an examiner need to be to determine the evidence of debris distribution to decide the direction of an explosion, where there has been up to four main explosions to fully or partly reconfigure the debris in each event, Then all of these patterns subject to a decade of mine interior exposure and of course you are seeking the first level of explosion evidence to determine fault?
    
    Can a Police camera lowered down a borehole into, say the B (middle) Roadway yield such evidence (direction of explosive force, but 1st, 2nd 3rd or whichever) especially if the bore emerging into the passage doesn’t cover with sandstone debris the very area they want to look at?
    
    Little should prevent those family advocates urging further entry, to not do themselves more mental harm and expend further soul-destroying time and money on such a doubtful project to seek a legal standard that should be beyond reasonable doubt.
    
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    April 6, 2021 10:31am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I’ve looked at this from the point of view of having to prepare a case for a prosecution of which I have had some experience.
      
      The problem is there is a plethora of diverse elements which could have caused an explosion in an environment which was waiting with a dangerous gas present. Electricity is very hard to control and humans can create it it unawares. Brush your hair and you may create it. Let a metal cart, say, brush against another in a simple touch, not necessarily physically hazardous but a microscopic spark can be created like with an old gas stove lighter. The spark may be too small to be seen but the gas molecules are still ignited and self propagate the initial event into a serious one then onto an explosion.
      
      A prosecutor needs facts to establish a criminal act and has a high standard of proof required. He must prove it “beyond a reasonable doubt”. They may find a suspicious damaged machine but when that exists in the midst of other possible explanations where’s the reasonable doubt?
      
      Hard to blame anyone. Equally hard to design and operate machines in an environment where inflammable gas is present. That may be possible on a micro scale in a lab setting but it’s knowingly risky in a production environment when the old enemy of the unseen static electricity or other exotic form is always there.
      
      I believe the Police should not be investigating the plant further. Blame is not always possible and not every adverse event can be avenged.
      
      I would not be against an Inquiry or prosecution based on the dangerous, foolish and proven hazardous, creating a closed mine over a known gas producing coal seam against international professional standards.
      
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      April 6, 2021 1:31pm
Tony Stuart

We’ve just had the highest Easter road toll for a decade. My condolences go out to anyone who has been affected by this.

With Julie Anne Genter no longer holding a portfolio in the transport arena, I guess her aspiration for a zero road toll has been abandoned by the Government.
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April 6, 2021 9:05am
- softail 1450
  
  Tony Stuart, Come on tony that shocking death toll is obviously caused by “9 years of neglect”, get with the program ..
  
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  April 6, 2021 10:07am
- amospicton
  
  Let’s hope the PM doesn’t make the connection between lockdowns and the roadtoll. The risk of dying on the roads is, for most of the population, materially higher than it is from covid. She should, therefore, be banning cars.
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:15pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Tony, come on you have to blame the previous National government just as JAG was 3 years ago. Given the $millions spent by NZTA and council transport agencies, this weekend’s road toll is a shocking indictment of the lobbyist mentality of JAG and friends over actual substance and delivery. In Auckland, substantial sums have been spent only to achieve nothing. The reality is, it is easy to spend money on doing sod all, but real results require more effort and more money. Notwithstanding, not reducing effective policing of the roads, and I am not referring to the revenue collection efforts of the police against “speeding” motorists does nothing other than line the pockets of government agencies.
  
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  April 6, 2021 3:42pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Just stay in Lockdown
  
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  April 6, 2021 6:28pm
mikenmildagain

Happy International Day of Sport for Development and Peace!
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April 6, 2021 9:10am
- Tall Man
  
  Not much peace these days mikey when blokes can take the field against women because they “feel” like a woman .. 😉
  
  https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=man+i+feel+like+a+woman+song&view=detail&mid=7FA02B82E12925E1DA747FA02B82E12925E1DA74&FORM=VIRE0&ru=%2fsearch%3fform%3dMOZLBR%26pc%3dMOZD%26q%3dman%2bi%2bfeel%2blike%2ba%2bwoman%2bsong
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our local MP and Min of Conservation and Min of Emergency Management has taken sick leave.

Kiritapu Allan has announced that she has Stage 3 Cervical Cancer…

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-04-2021/live-updates-april-6-super-tuesday-busy-day-for-government-as-travel-bubble-date-to-be-revealed/

Let’s hope she doesn’t get caught up in Andrew Little’s fight against folks needing unfunded drugs.
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April 6, 2021 9:23am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Indeed Maggy; there’s a full explanation on her FB page
  
  https://www.facebook.com/658393404340082/posts/1767173093462102/?d=n
  
  This is awful news, especially the Stage 3 bit. Kiri has been one of the best-performing Ministers, and seemed destined for higher office.
  
  Right now all that matters however is her health. She has a battle ahead, and my thoughts, prayers and aroha are with Kiri and her whānau as they face whatever lies ahead.
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I’m sorry to hear of the Minister’s illness. I have been concerned about her performance as an MP, regretfully that has now been explained.
  
  Metastasising cancers are real hard to deal with as they can invade areas where surgery is not possible. Chemo is a useful mop-up but does not always catch the rogues. My late wife was taken out that way. It is also a very unpleasant process.
  
  Money is no cure and hope gets in the way of sense frequently. We have as good a treatment regimes under out Public Health system as anywhere in the world. Those who can afford it can do as they please but they have no certainty of a better outcome. NZ can be very pleased with our free superb health care here. We may have an occasional stumble and grumble but we have the right direction.
  
  I pray for the Minister’s speedy recovery.
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:44am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “We have as good a treatment regimes under out Public Health system as anywhere in the world”
    
    Can you substantiate that claim?
    
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    April 6, 2021 12:54pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Look at the USA. NZ has Pharmac who check rigorously the free meds we get. I believe we get good value for our Public Monies and that most effective proven treatments are available.
      
      There will always be pressure for more and the latest. Which COVID treatment do you pick out of the smorgasbord on offer? Pharmac does that and sees that we do not overpay for effective treatments.
      
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      April 6, 2021 1:42pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        FFS. I know that. New Zealand folk have poor access to state of the art cancer drugs. We spend half as much per capita as Australia. We have poor outcomes for breast, colon, and ovarian cancer.
        
        Do you want to try again?
        
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        April 6, 2021 6:41pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Can only wish Ms Kiritapu Allan all the best for recovery and the best medical treatment possible. We have a daughter turning 37 tomorrow – makes you think…
  But, please, please, please don’t have her replaced as the Minister of Conservation by Eugenie Sage.
  Please.
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:48am
Inandout

Ash has been spouting to Aotearians all weekend about ‘staying safe’ over Easter and today Jacinda announces her bubble. Radio is so exciting.
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April 6, 2021 9:25am
- Ehlana
  
  It was so eggciting listening to and watching those ads…
  
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  April 6, 2021 10:58am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Bubble date starts Monday April 19 – you can write it down now.
  
  #LooseheadTipsEmFirst
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:51pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, you just can’t win.
The Queenstown Mayor has been calling for a reset of the tourism industry by encouraging Aucklanders to visit his town…..the moment they do, he labels them as…. ‘cretins’. WTF?

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1379181327270998021
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April 6, 2021 9:35am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Cretin.. Jafa… White shoe wearing idiots.
  
  Cap fits for rich Akl… High clown incidence among the Akl crowd
  
  Except of course Remmers Tennis players…..
  
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  April 6, 2021 9:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀
    
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    April 6, 2021 10:43am
    - sooty
      
      Queenstown mayor was fair wetting his frilly knickers at the thought of aussies coming soon!
      
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      April 6, 2021 6:42pm
Captain Mainwaring

Guy managed to plant his car 10 metres up in a stack of fruit boxes.
That took some doing. He deserves a job as a Hollywood stunt man.
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April 6, 2021 10:12am
- Maggie's partner
  
  it was a photoshop April Fool, oh Captain my Captain
  
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  April 6, 2021 10:29am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    No it wasn’t.
    
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    April 6, 2021 2:11pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Imagine if CCTV had captured that.
  
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  April 6, 2021 6:30pm
WaveyDavey

I’m posting this here as I don’t want to derail the Kiri Allen thread:

It’s good to see the responses to her dreadful news from posters on this site

It’s also interesting to compare the responses to similar news for the health of the “opposing team” from commenters on blogs from the other side

Gives the lie to the claim that those on the RoC are heartless and that the LoC has the monopoly on compassion
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April 6, 2021 10:22am
- Loddenthinks
  
  True, but no sane or rational person believed that in any case. All those on the LoC did, of course, but my comment still stands.
  
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  April 6, 2021 2:11pm
graham

Couple of thoughts about the Hamilton to Auckland train.

1. The name “Te Huia” – where did that come from? Good old Wikipedia tells me that it is (or was) an extinct species of New Zealand wattlebird, endemic to the North Island of New Zealand. Similar to the bizarre name given to NZTA, I can’t help wondering why you would name a train after a bird – and an extinct one at that. Ominous portents?

2. Fares. According to the website, the trip from Frankton to Papakura costs $17.00 if you pay by cash, but only $12.20 if you pay with something called a Bee card. So obviously you’ll want to get this Bee card thing. But it doesn’t work on the Auckland metro network, so if you transfer at Papakura you’ll have to pay ANOTHER fare using the AT Hop card. Two different cards to maintain!!

Why, in a little place like NZ, could they not agree on one single card to use across the network? Apparently the Bee card can be used in Northland, Waikato, Bay of Plenty, Hawke’s Bay, Otago, Invercargill … in fact, it can be used in nine different regions in total. So why not include Auckland to make it simple? One travel card for the entire journey? I can only suppose there were vested interests or egos at play, both sides insisting their regional travel card absolutely HAD to be the one card to rule them all and neither side willing to budge.

So any commuters from Hamilton to Auckland will have to use two different travel cards, presumably maintaining a balance on both. You couldn’t make this up …
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April 6, 2021 10:42am
- MCos
  
  I’m guessing here, but if you’re a regular commuter to Auckland prepared to use public transport these’s a good chance you have a Hop card. Apart from that I expect they are easily obtained at Papakura Station.
  
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  April 6, 2021 11:00am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You’ve missed the point entirely, and by a decent margin.
    
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    April 6, 2021 2:12pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      MCos hasn’t. 51% of all public transport is in the Auckland region.
      
      Auckland’s patronage of PT is 2.5x higher than that of next largest centre Wellington.
      
      Auckland has already spent $100mill plus on its HOP system, the other regions have made nothing like that investment in their ticketing system.
      
      Project Next is years away and is being funded by NZTA, because the smaller regions can’t afford the investment.
      
      So, why should Auckland align itself with the smallest regions for its ticketing system?
      
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      April 6, 2021 3:57pm
- Ehlana
  
  These are not return services – two trains run to Papakura in the morning, then I guess their crews sit around all day until they take the trains back in the evening. Imagine that for a workday!
  There is only one service each way on Saturday and none on Sunday.
  And you can’t get off at Pukekohe.
  So really, this can only benefit people who live in Hamilton or Huntly and need to go to Papakura in the morning and back in the evening.
  
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  April 6, 2021 11:45am
  - Ipanema69
    
    To be fair the loco engineers would probably be scheduled to operate other trains heading south. I dont think that the service will last. However railways are fairly adept at scheduling crew resources.
    
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    April 6, 2021 12:28pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Just replace “Only in America” with “only in little Aotearoa” and everything is understandable. Our decent into the 3rd world just keeps gathering pace.
  
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  April 6, 2021 11:46am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think you could find various trains overseas that have been named after all sorts of things, including birds and other animals. Seems a very odd objection.
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:05pm
  - graham
    
    Not an objection, mikenmildagain, merely an observation. It could’ve been worse though – at least it’s not called the Tron Express. 🙂
    
    To be fair, in the 1990s we had the Lynx Express – one could argue the naming of that was even more bizarre.
    
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    April 6, 2021 1:47pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Chlamydia Coach?
      
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      April 6, 2021 3:04pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Frankly, Graham, these are minor irritants. I’m much more exercised by the vast taxpayer subsidy required even if the train is always packed to the gunnels – which of course it won’t be.
  
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  April 6, 2021 6:33pm
doublehappy

I was going to post a Youtube video about the Woke revolution by Steve Hilton. Unfortunately between seeing it last night and today it has been Canceled/Taken down. The video gave the history of wokism back over the last 100 years and how it was in the background until pushed in universities 20 years ago and how it is now the greatest danger to life as we know it. If anyone can find a link to it please post it. Steve Hilton was suggesting it is probably too late, the university and school systems have already done their work.
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April 6, 2021 11:27am
- Inandout
  
  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/04/05/steve_hilton_wokeism_is_the_biggest_threat_to_america.html
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:05pm
  - SB2
    
    Steve Hilton is quite nuts here claiming Dr Fauci help create the Covid 19 virus,
    
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/fox-news-pushing-conspiracy-that-fauci-created-coronavirus-2021-1?r=US&IR=T
    
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    April 6, 2021 3:48pm
nathie

Stand by for the “Mother of all Announcements” by Cindy, at 4pm!

(MagicTalk news bulletins has recordings of her saying nothing will be happening – as they still need to have conversations with airlines, airports, the MoH and Aussie authorities … seriously wtf has she and her officials been doing for the last year …. failing to deliver or do anything constructive by the looks, again)! 🙁

Comical Ali would be proud of her!
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April 6, 2021 11:30am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Comical Ali now there is a name from the past
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:17pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Monday 19 April is the start date of the Trans-Tasman bubble.
  
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  April 6, 2021 2:14pm
cmm

So we law abiding citizens are expected by Mr Plod to pull over so that a bunch of gangsters can ride by giving their ex-gang leader something akin to a state funeral?

Screw that. I’m not pulling over for gangsters!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-advise-motorists-to-pull-over-amid-outlaws-leaders-funeral-in-napier/I66RMP3QWWJKOFSTQWGTS6IVGI/
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April 6, 2021 11:41am
- Inandout
  
  cmm, the wife looks like she has had expensive face work.
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:06pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Saw this somewhere else early and grinned at the comment to “….. pull over just like you would normally do when you see a funeral approach…..” Well, fifty years ago that would have been true – 2021 not so much so. But if NZP want to to return to their earlier pre woke standards I’d be be all for it!
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:52pm
MrTips

Dan Satherley @newshub: wot a whinging nonce.
“I wanna paid day off for free”

Newsflash Mr Dan: when you work you get PAID. If you were sick-the employer still has to pay you. Missing a nominated public holiday is not a major issue for the vast majority of the workforce.
And those who might miss a few days get other days off that everyone else has to work. Quid pro quo.

He really is the bottom of the barrel at this “journalism” thing.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/04/opinion-holiday-rules-mean-you-might-be-working-for-free-today-but-the-government-doesn-t-care.html
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April 6, 2021 12:18pm
- Ehlana
  
  I think this is the next thing on the agenda, after making Matariki a public holiday. So expect to hear more about the “unfairness” of it.
  When the Act was written, Parliamentarians probably thought the point of a public holiday was to allow everyone to celebrate or commemorate events of importance to the community together. Today, it seems the only point is to get a paid day off work.
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:52pm
Jack5

Defamation and anonymity …

Moriori leader Maui Solomon has won total damages of nearly $182,000 over an anonymous letter for which the Judge accepted the writer’s identity “on the balance of probabilities based on computer metadata evidence.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124697617/damages-awarded-for-anonymous-defamation-on-rkohu-chatham-island
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April 6, 2021 12:51pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps a warning in that for anyone disposed to make defamatory claims in blog comments?
  
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  April 6, 2021 1:31pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Quickly checking your KB history are you Milky??
    
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    April 6, 2021 2:34pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No need, naturally.
      
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      April 6, 2021 3:28pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Indeed
    Lying scum like you should be worried
    Lol
    
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    April 6, 2021 2:40pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Why don’t you say what you really mean?
      Mods must be on a break this arvo, so I guess that means I’m allowed to call you an ignorant fascist subhuman.
      
      [Mod – no rest for the moderators]
      
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      April 6, 2021 2:50pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Thanks Mod. Just a temporary easement of the policy against personal abuse?
        
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        April 6, 2021 3:28pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        You play Dev’s Adv so own it?
        
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        April 6, 2021 3:53pm
    - SB2
      
      Al on Red, still doing the grief work post 03/11/20 with a theatrical tear kit from your local $2.00 shop
      
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      April 6, 2021 3:51pm
  - cmm
    
    I don’t think stephie will worry. He’ll keep it up as he has for the last n years.
    
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    April 6, 2021 4:06pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from Tennis popped in earlier for a chat.
NOT a happy camper 🙁
We all knew she’s been seeing the Coach for a while, but has just decided to break it off.
Apparently, he’s been constantly accusing her of seeing someone else.
As she said, “Why would I want to be with somebody that’s starting to sound like my husband?”
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April 6, 2021 1:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How would you score that set?
  Love-all?
  
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  April 6, 2021 2:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Or maybe….. New-Balls?
    
    😛
    
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    April 6, 2021 3:07pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Short video showing how MSM lies using editing, this instance being an attempted news conference gotcha of Republican gov of Florida De-Santis over a contract being given to a pharmacy chain (which he explains in detail, only for 60 minutes to cut it all in an attempt to make him look non-responsive).
https://youtu.be/402y84XDU7w?t=75
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April 6, 2021 1:05pm
I remember when

Newshub: ‘Desperately awful situation’: Hundreds of overseas engineers urgently needed to avoid project delays:
A new survey reveals 2100 engineers and consultants need to be hired this year – 460 from overseas as human resources here already too tight.
Hope they don’t have to bring the shovels
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April 6, 2021 2:43pm
- Ehlana
  
  Might not be a good idea to put a lot of engineers with shovels into an MIQ facility. Could be a break-out.
  
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  April 6, 2021 5:21pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Govt provides the shovels – 5 million on order.
    All we gotta do now is teach fuckwits what a shovel is.
    I have 4 – want photos??
    
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    April 6, 2021 7:04pm
- kevn
  
  @I rem… Move over Wiggles/RuPaul mob/sports teams? Nah…
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:10pm
Inandout

Bus those illegals into Red States, that is the democracy that TDS people wanted.
https://trendingpolitics.com/new-report-biden-administration-busing-thousands-of-illegals-aliens-to-red-states-to-get-permanent-status-knab/
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April 6, 2021 3:10pm
Benedict Yu

This is totally funny, and illustrates the way that governments tie themselves in knots over climate change.

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/thuggery-turnbull-blames-media-beat-up-for-dumping-from-climate-role-20210406-p57gs9.html

Malcolm Turnbull was appointed to head the “net zero emissions and clean economy board“ to advise the NSW government on climate change. Think NSW equivalent of the Climate Change Commission.

So, in his first week in the job he calls for a moratorium on new coal mines or expansions in NSW. This is in the lead up to a by-election in the Hunter Valley, which is the main coal producing area of NSW. So, they sacked him, one week into a 5-year appointment.

I guess when they said they wanted to reduce NSW greenhouse emissions, they meant ‘reduce emissions but expand coal mining’. Too funny.
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April 6, 2021 3:53pm
I remember when

RNZ: Phil Goff defends Auckland Easter trading rules:
So the Mayor of Auckland thinks that the Auckland Economy, you know – the one that has had more level 4 lockdowns than anyone else, won’t suffer from a couple of shopping free days.
Staff need the holiday…
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April 6, 2021 4:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The man is an A Grade fuckwit.
  Wonder where he was at level 4??
  
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  April 6, 2021 7:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This came up on my FB.
Jacinda never lies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0yDrGfn9vo
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April 6, 2021 5:40pm
- Wired-one
  
  That video could now be an hour plus long. God I wish kiwis would wake up, this isnt competence, it’s a shambolic, out of their depth, inept government.
  
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  April 6, 2021 6:41pm
- Yabster
  
  national should be promoting that vid- shows the incompetence, and lies.
  
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  April 7, 2021 8:00am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/60-minutes-renamed-6-minutes-due-to-deceptive-editing-practices?
Maybe I should give a description? so I don’t get banned like I have been on FACEBOOK???
Fact checkers and moderators sometimes do not check the LINK ffs
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April 6, 2021 6:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sorry, they do not ‘read’ the link
  
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  April 6, 2021 6:54pm
RW Capitalist

Labours tram project for Auckland….work method?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge_4SlJWfl0
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April 6, 2021 7:05pm
RW Capitalist

People who offer advice on your work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-JVnlB7Onk
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April 6, 2021 7:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

RNZ runs an item on packs of feral dogs terrorising Northland.
They put up an image of a “feral dog” (stock photo)…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/439916/feral-dogs-roaming-the-far-north-prompt-track-closures-warnings

a mangy little lap-dog creature from Hangzhou China…

nothing like the
Staffy crosses that will be in the Northland packs
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/124751541/packs-of-menacing-feral-dogs-close-start-of-te-araroa-trail-in-northland
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April 6, 2021 7:12pm
kevn

@Maggy… Bit of pitbull cross going on for sure. Hunting dogs gone awol.
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April 6, 2021 8:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep and Gang dogs on the loose…
  They’d munch through that little Chinese mutt in a couple of bites.
  
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  April 6, 2021 8:18pm
tavita

I got this from Air New Zealand

Kia ora ,
Kua huakina mai te ara ki te whenua moemoeā, kua huakina mai te ara ki te whenua o Aotearoa – pathways between Australia and Aotearoa are once again open.

I am seriously considering changing my allegiance to Qantas. I am fed up with this bullshit,
panaia ki runga to kaihe
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April 6, 2021 8:08pm
WaveyDavey

This one passed with little fanfare

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/new-zealand-coronavirus-breaches-jailed-convictions

it’s racism of course
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