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Peter Lane

This is crazy. They’ve moved the northern roadblock to the bottom of the Brynderwyns without telling anyone in advance.

Businesses in Kaiwaka and Mangawhai have no idea whether they are at L2 or L3.

For those who don’t know those towns are not part of Auckland.

Total fuck up.
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December 15, 2019 9:03am
- Peter Lane
  
  How do you find something to downtick in a factual post?
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:08am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Part of the woke army working behind enemy lines. Have you not known that almost every post gets one or two downticks – I could name the perpetrators as well however i’m pretty sure most on this blog already know who they are.
    
    As for the Wokeplod – nothing no surprises me. Look at the clowns in control.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:12am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Some get more that the two downticks Mike for reasons that are as obvious as Adherns incompetency . . .
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:42am
      - Dougal10
        
        Some of the downtickers are probably using multiple devices and logins as well.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:12am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    For me, I find the karma ticks to be mainly useful for marking a comment as ‘read’, so that I can see new comments more easily as I scroll through the thread.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:20am
    - EssenX
      
      That is not the intended function of the ticks.
      
      I imagine that there is a WordPress plugin that could highlight new comments since a member last visited. Mods, could you look into this?
      
      [Not our job – email the blog editor.]
      
      editor@kiwiblog.co.nz
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:54am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        So what? It works for me.
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:35am
    - Ronin
      
      I’ve marked this as ‘read’
      
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      February 15, 2021 6:48pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Pretty simple really – even I can ready a simple map (p7) like this but presumably Mr/Ms Plod can’t.
  
  https://www.nrc.govt.nz/media/2lcfvyys/northlandcivildefenceemergencymanagementplan20162021.pdf
  Also: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300230012/covid19-road-blocks-around-alert-level-3-auckland-to-prevent-nonessential-travel
  ” Monday’s checkpoints were being set up in the same locations, police said.”
  FFS – how incompetent can this government and our public service departments get!
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:02am
- Peter Lane
  
  It looks very much like Mangawhai and Kaiwaka are in L3.
  
  You couldn’t make this stuff up. Total incompetence.
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:20am
  - jetlagged
    
    I agree Peter, no critical analysis. That makes no sense. Locking down in the opposite direction to the one that infected trio are supposed to have travelled. Can anyone explain to me the logic behind why mangawhai and kaiwaka are in L3 but the current towns where the infected trio moved around over the long weekend in Taranaki are in L2?
    
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    February 15, 2021 12:15pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Bro – I am surprised that there is business still surviving in Kaiwaka and Mangawhai…..may be not for long.
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:32am
- Peter Lane
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/confusion-reigns-in-northland-on-alert-levels-and-borders/N3QU23RORDWLL4GWVCONHKYEGM/
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:36am
- GT Build
  
  They have also moved the southern border down to Mercer now
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:40am
- nz_aj
  
  Same deal for Tuakau and areas to the south that are part of the Waikato Regional Council and not part of “Auckland”.
  The governments covid website says “Boundaries will generally be based on regional boundaries”.
  So what do they mean by “generally”, as it doesn’t follow either the northern or southern boundary.
  
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  February 15, 2021 11:13am
- Peter Lane
  
  What a pack of dickheads. Roadblocks apparently back to their August locations.
  
  Fucking idiots.
  
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  February 15, 2021 5:53pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Major cockup and no doubt completely illegal actions by the cops. They would be sued in the US.
    
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    February 15, 2021 6:28pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

[Mod: vaccine disinformation and fear mongering will be removed. Kiwiblog is not a vector for anti-vax rubbish.]
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February 15, 2021 8:02am
- krazykiwi
  
  Mod: Who are you to establish what is ‘disinformation’? Serious question. Here is DPF’s comments policy. If you disagree with a comment, then I respectfully suggest you comment in response, as we all do.
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:57am
  - Notsofast
    
    I think the point being made is this is not an ordinary freedom of speech matter, but more in the mode of inciting an insurrection, an impeachable offence. Clearly the vaccines work towards herd immunity, and the converse is an endemic disease with uncommonly nasty consequences.
    
    America is suffering the fruits of both, but at least making an honest attempt at herd immunity against covid.
    
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    February 15, 2021 10:24am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  [Mod: there is no curbing of free speech. This blog doesn’t tolerate this content. You’re free to start http://www.novaccines.co.nz as your own platform]
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:03am
  - Simon
    
    “anti-vax rubbish”
    
    The vaccines might not work against Covid19 as the virus, like any other, mutates.
    
    Cindy government too incompetent to get vaccines out.
    
    Is this anti-vax? That the vaccine likely not a cure all and Covid19 will take its toll. It is just a matter of time.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:29am
    - Observer of Life
      
      Dear DPF/Mods….
      I’m no anti-vaxxer. I am/have been vaccinated with anything and everything, as have my children. BUT, I want to read ALL I can about this Pfizer C19 vaccine before I’ll let it into my body. It feels rushed and from what I’ve read, Medsafe still have 58 questions/areas that Pfizer have to report on before officially releasing it. So how about letting us read up on what people find. After all, we are adults.
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:56am
      - Mag Anz
        
        We have the same view OoL. Hope a lot more people are waking up like you and I. Vaccines save lives, what they are pushing right now IS experimental.
        
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        February 15, 2021 12:13pm
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  [[The KB policy has been made quite clear – move on or go elsewhere. Mod.]
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:11am
- Mag Anz
  
  This is not about being antivaxx, I and all my family has all the vaccines under the sun. What is concerning is this is experimental ‘vaccine’. People takes this will be on a two year trial – no proven track record or testing on animals has been completed. People can do their own research, look up Dr Simone Gold at American Frontline Doctors.
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:11am
  - Inandout
    
    Mag, just don’t take the vaccine if you are worried. My doctor will decline.
    
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    February 15, 2021 10:38am
    - Observer of Life
      
      Inandout: That’s not the point. Like Mag, Im happy to take vaccines that have been widely tested and proven safe. This one is rushed, therefore I (we) like to read up as much as possible to make an informed decision. Simple really.
      
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      February 15, 2021 12:17pm
    - Mag Anz
      
      We are not taking it for sure. Coronavirus survival rate is 99.98%, I’ll take my chances over an experimental ‘vaccine’. Funny thing is even if you got this jab, you’re still a spreader, still must wear mask and comes with major unknown side effects or worst, it could be fatal. There’s is not enough data out there.
      
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      February 15, 2021 12:21pm
krazykiwi

Yesterday I said I’d post some research findings on the impact of lockdowns, a more restrictive non-pharmaceutical intervention (mrNPI). Here’s the abstract:

Background and Aims
The most restrictive nonpharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) for controlling the spread of COVID‐19 are mandatory stay‐at‐home and business closures. Given the consequences of these policies, it is important to assess their effects. We evaluate the effects on epidemic case growth of more restrictive NPIs (mrNPIs), above and beyond those of less‐restrictive NPIs (lrNPIs).

Methods
We first estimate COVID‐19 case growth in relation to any NPI implementation in subnational regions of 10 countries: England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, South Korea, Sweden and the United States. Using first‐difference models with fixed effects, we isolate the effects of mrNPIs by subtracting the combined effects of lrNPIs and epidemic dynamics from all NPIs. We use case growth in Sweden and South Korea, 2 countries that did not implement mandatory stay‐at‐home and business closures, as comparison countries for the other 8 countries (16 total comparisons).

Results
Implementing any NPIs was associated with significant reductions in case growth in 9 out of 10 study countries, including South Korea and Sweden that implemented only lrNPIs (Spain had a nonsignificant effect). After subtracting the epidemic and lrNPI effects, we find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country. In France, for example, the effect of mrNPIs was +7% (95% CI: −5%‐19%) when compared with Sweden and + 13% (−12%‐38%) when compared with South Korea (positive means pro‐contagion). The 95% confidence intervals excluded 30% declines in all 16 comparisons and 15% declines in 11/16 comparisons.

Conclusions
While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less‐restrictive interventions.
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February 15, 2021 8:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  This was published in The European Journal of Clinical Investigation in January, 2021. For those interested, some of the 40 referenced papers make informative reading. And no, I haven’t read them all 🙂
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  Peter Hitchens has a column on how the UK had a plan ( as did we) . Their “experts” having seen the totalitarian Chinese model , copied by the Eyeties , realised though that they could “get away with” the totalitarian model.
  We followed , as people will recall , after the notorious PMs Capt’s Call with some shadowy figure in England . Wouldn’t it be nice if our Fourth Estste did their job and found out who that was ,afterall that singlr phone call trumped established govt preplanned policy .
  
  Watch this “outbreak” carefully . OMG , it’s one of the virulent “mutants” that kills you with one look .
  
  Let’s see how many actually get it .
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9257595/PETER-HITCHENS-DID-sensible-Covid-plan-copied-police-state-instead.html
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:44am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  Why are casual contact of covid family ie those who were at Bunnings at the same time, being told not to get a test until 18th ? Can you imagine Cindy saying back to normal while test results unknown?
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:47am
  - kowtow
    
    Remember the mantra they had at the start of this scamdemic.
    
    Test , test , test .
    
    Where’s that gone . Like the alleged Gold Standard just more hot air from the talking Heads and given glowing reviews by their Media Pardy.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:09am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The tests at a 40-45x replication rate were very dubious. Interesting that almost immediately on Biden being sworn in the WHO dropped the testing replication to 30x where it can discriminate. What are using here now?
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:42am
      - krazykiwi
        
        It’s such a basic question, and the fact that it hasn’t (to my knowledge) be asked and answered goes to the heart of the problem with our media: they are unwilling to ask any questions that run contrary to the State narrative. Adjusting the unpublished replication rate is a way to arbitrarily increase or decrease ‘infection’ rates in line with what is politically desirable.
        
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        February 15, 2021 9:56am
      - fernglas
        
        40.
        https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/information-release/h202007547_13_oct_2020.pdf
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:02am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Thank you, fernglas.
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:36am
  - MCos
    
    Because they don’t want the testing stations swamped with people with no symptoms blocking out people who do.
    While the system relies on thousands of people being being tested it stands to reason that those with possible covid-19 symptoms should be done first and people like me who live a few ks away hold off until later, if at all.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:11am
    - Simon
      
      “Because they don’t want the testing stations swamped with people with no symptoms blocking out people who do.”
      
      Lol – no symptoms is what most people who have Covid experience.
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:38am
      - MCos
        
        I live in South Auckland, not a million miles from Papatoetoe. The chances of me having covid-19 are pretty much zero and the same applies even to people who were at one of those Bunnings.
        However.
        They should probably still get tested, but there’s thousands of them and if they all front up at once the testing stations would be swamped. It makes sense, therefore to test those with symptoms first, for example cough, sore throat, tiredness, fever, etc which could also be all sorts of other things, by the way.
        If someone is has no symptoms, but is holed up at home like they should, three days shouldn’t be a problem.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:21am
    - Maxx
      
      You can’t know how it is in the community without random sampling of the community. Most that have had this have been asymptomatic, but it is these people who are more likely to pass it along.
      
      There was some random community testing last year, but this was to get the media off their back who were asking why they weren’t doing it, whereas the countries who were getting Covid under control without shutting everything down were testing. Slovakia set out to test it’s entire population of 5.4m people, with 2/3 of that being done over 1 weekend and 1.06% of people testing positive.
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:03am
      - Happy1
        
        Sewage test for Auckland taken on 10th February was negative.
        
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        February 15, 2021 2:19pm
      - Sacha
        
        @ Maxx. – I’m pretty sure that you can carry any virus, be asymptomatic, and pass it on, vaccine or not.
        Vaccines are primarily for the benefit of the host.
        
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        February 16, 2021 12:53pm
- Simon
  
  Wrong. Lockdowns kill. Cancer screening delayed, people with other life threatening illness dont seek help, drug abuse = more deaths and suicides from mental illness.
  
  Lockdowns dont stop the spread of Covid and they kill.
  
  To defeat Covid, take ivermectin, get plenty of sun i.e vitamin D and lose weight if fat.
  
  Lockdowns will save no one and kill thousands.
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:36am
  - Batman
    
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    Yes because Covid has been so rampant in all the countries that have done proper lockdowns ??.
    
    Honestly, this is comically wrong just on the face of it.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:40am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Delayed cancer treatments won’t show on mortality statistics for some time. Neither will suicides. Longer term mental health issues may never manifest as a mortality statistics, meaning the damage will be present in lives all around us. These are the consequences of ‘proper lockdowns’, as you call them.
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:51am
      - fernglas
        
        Pizza outlet turnovers have gone up by 25%. 59% of Americans don’t plan to renew their gym subscriptions after Covid. In a sample of about 3,000 U.S. adults, people who were meeting exercise guidelines before the pandemic reported an average 32% reduction in physical activity once social-distancing. The effects are manifold.
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:10am
      - nz_aj
        
        Indeed, my fathers cancer treatment and potential operation was cancelled because of covid. And now he’s gone.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:18am
      - Pharmachick
        
        @nz_aj I am sorry for your loss.
        
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        February 15, 2021 12:18pm
      - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
        
        KK “won’t show on mortality statistics for some time” – thats true unless it becomes polictally useful to include stats and add COVID as cause of death ie in the US under Trump, gunshot victims and car crash fatalities were included in Covid Deaths. Just last week a big headline “Covid cliams live of sittign Congressman”. A quick read reveals, it was an 80+ year old who had been battling terminal cancer for 2 years. Its a bit disengenious to claim Covid got him……
        
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        February 15, 2021 12:39pm
    - Tall Man
      
      So Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Iceland, and so on all practiced totalitarian lockdowns.
      
      Well butter my butt and call me toasted.
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:33am
      - Happy1
        
        Stop imitating Maggie Pie. Very unbecoming.
        
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        February 15, 2021 2:22pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Better than responding with bite though don’t you think?
        
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        February 15, 2021 6:10pm
      - Happy1
        
        It’s not the plagiarism it’s the image conveyed. Maggie’s butt ok yours not so attractive.
        
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        February 15, 2021 8:55pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Now you may say that and I couldn’t possibly comment butt … others may disagree 😉
        
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        February 15, 2021 9:28pm
    - NoFax
      
      “Proper Lockdowns” – what is a proper lockdown? Is that a bit like “real socialism has never been tried”. Because there is no evidence to support that lockdowns work. If you look a that the US where each state decides itself there is not even a correlation. If you have evidence of lockdowns working, please provide the scientific paper to prove it.
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:43am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Care to comment on the main point, since you know everything – just on the face of it?
      
      “Cancer screening delayed, people with other life threatening illness don’t seek help, drug abuse = more deaths and suicides from mental illness.”
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:46am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Batman, prior to Christmas 120 physicians, microbiologist, and epidemiologists put out an open letter suggesting exactly what Simon has written, they were ignored by the MSM and establishment because they were saying what doesn’t want to be heard.
      
      Covid is like flu, it thrives in wintry conditions (low sunlight = low Vitamin D, a series issue with respiratory viruses). Equally, those places that have suffered most are those with crowded populations, have you been in the UK in November/December, viruses spread easily in the conditions. In the early 2000s, London had winter flu seasons where it was regularly reported that NHS hospitals were running out of mortuary spaces and were relying on refrigerated containers to store bodies. Are you suggesting the UK should have had lockdowns in those years too?
      
      So a lockdown will naturally reduce the number of cases, but the other “costs” of the lockdowns could be far greater.
      
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      February 15, 2021 11:22am
      - krazykiwi
        
        The UK experienced a flu epidemic from October 1999 to May 2000. It was bad, but not as bad as 1989/1999 which was the one that resulted mortuary space problems as you noted. Also, I recall that the number of NHS ICU beds was lower at the start of 2020 than was 30 years prior.
        
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        February 15, 2021 3:26pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    The paper was assessing any positive impact of mrNPIs, rather than doing a net benefit analysis. I have a a couple of papers on the net benefit, but they’re in German so I’m currently ferreting out translations. As you suggest, the net cost to humanity of these interventions is enormous.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:48am
Tomtoddy

Incompetence. Yet again the Labour Govt shows it is utterly incapable of putting into action its claims.

Cant even manage testing of the exposed workers at the border. It knoew the risks, it kept saying they were doing all the right things and now they are exposed. Failed. Incompetent.

All steam and no hangi.
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February 15, 2021 8:07am
- Scott
  
  I’d have to disagree a little bit Tom toddy. I think Jacinda is playing it really smart politically. No urgency about getting the vaccine, occasional lock down, speak nicely to the people every day at 1pm, Total media submission to the covid agenda, frowny face, concern, empathy, worlds without end, elections won for the foreseeable future.
  Control the people and keep them in fear.
  It’s going to work. Unless the people of NZ screw up their courage and demand NO MORE LOCK DOWNS! AND YES I AM SHOUTING!
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Another $55M to keep the media compliant. Forget about democracy. Prices will soon be too high to be ignored. Playing is correct.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:45am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      Yep, and the media are earning their money reinforcing Jacinda’s fearmongering, lockdown-and-grateful-for-it narrative. Front page Herald last night, re-ran an old story “How likely are you to die from Covid 19?” and this morning (clearly a story that has been saved up from the dates mentioned in it) some family “Stuck in the safest place on earth”
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:55am
  - Bob
    
    The expected scenario to the Adern policies, is a continuation of regular lockdowns into 2023, with the inevitable increasing community transmissions as of any virus.
    Then lo and behold, ‘I regret to announce that the 2023 election has to be postponed due to the dangers of Covid at the Ballot Box’.
    The follow on is an announcement by the Gov Gen that the Adern govt mandate to govern has been extended indefinitely until Covid is under control.
    Food stamps and community kitchens will be provided by the Army.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:51am
    - Batman
      
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      You’ve missed out the vaccine from your fantasy short story mate ?
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:07am
      - Tall Man
        
        A vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission, that not everyone will get given and that doesn’t protect against mutations of the virus.
        
        I certainly hope you’re not in “central planning”.
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:14am
      - Batman
        
        You do understand how vaccine herd immunity works right?
        
        It’s the same with every vaccine ever produced.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:17am
      - Charmaine Hawke
        
        Given the UK government has taken the goalposts to another field over the vaccine I think this summation is correct Batman. It is up to you where you wish to get off this bus but I for one never got on the covid express.
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:49am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        It’s missing from the Government’s fantasy story as well.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:12am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Batman, the vaccine is only ok for the specific variant. Now let me see, what was South Africa’s response to the Uni of Oxford/Astra Zenica vacvine, that’s right, they sent it back, because it is unproven for the SA strain of the virus and was sent back. Covid vaccine is like the annual flu jab, a lottery.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:31am
      - Local Miller
        
        Batman, your 11:17 comment is so wrong it smacks of deliberate misinformation. Not all vaccines give herd immunity, and the flu vaccine is a case in point, particularly since Covid-19 is related to the flu virus. You need to get a new flu shot every year if you want to stay immunised because the virus mutates each year. The problem is, the current vaccine only protects you from last year’s virus. There’s a slim chance you pick up last year’s and not this year’s virus, and a similarly slim chance last year’s vaccine may work on this year’s virus, but no guarantee.
        
        If you get vaccinated for Covid-19, you very well may need to be vaccinated again in 12 months.
        
        I’ve never had a flu shot, I’m 355 days shy of my 60th birthday, and I’ve never had the flu. I eat well, take some basic vitamin and mineral supplements and get lots of simple exercise and lots of sun, but I’m certainly no “health freak”. I’m never sick more than 2-3 days every couple of years.
        
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        February 15, 2021 5:04pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “Local” there is a good chance that your mother or father was exposed to the “Spanish Flu” or you were exposed to a variant of the Asian flu in the late 50’s early 60’s which has given many a long term immunity to certain strains of the flu.
        
        Batman’s a tad off the charts because WHO indicated we need 75% vaccinated to gain herd immunity but they have no intention of vaccinating that many with under 16s eliminated and the very old/frail also excluded.
        
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        February 15, 2021 6:18pm
    - Ruahine
      
      It will be voting online. No going to polling booths anymore. James Shaw will be the Minister in charge.
      Remember the census ‘fiasco’. it actually worked out pretty well for the Greens and Labour.
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:22am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Regular future lockdowns? Economic adjustments will surely put paid to that. Many business in NZ are in a pre-crisis state and treading water. Lack of trade, production and profitability are not inexhaustible. Cashflows have slowed down so borrowing pressures are rising. How is that sustained if business is teetering on the abyss of managing next month’s payroll? Customers have not returned and others have dropped charges to tread water. That creates a situation where there is no cash surplus to allow for contingencies and those dropping prices to keep staff are damaging others too.
      
      A govt that does not understand basics needs to drop out of office. Starting a wage/price spiral through ineptitude should be considered criminal. Govt’s have a duty of care. Not being able to carry out is inexcusable.
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:46am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Wait till price of Oil goes up.
        Wont be too far around the corner.
        
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        February 15, 2021 12:20pm
  - edhunter
    
    And the one time it might actually be worth tuning into the 1pm advertorial it’s cancelled.
    Afraid that someone might be asked hard questions?
    
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    February 15, 2021 1:16pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  So where was the apology to the New Zealand people.
  
  Sorry we failed to keep the virus out.
  
  Sorry we overreacted, we should just learn time live with the Chinese flu like we do with the current influenza.
  
  Sorry for all the economic damage we have inflicted on the people of New Zealand.
  
  I doubt it very much, they will never be able to admit that they were wrong and instead double down on the stupidly.
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:41am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    So is she supposed to be sorry for not keeping the virus out, or for not letting it in so that we could just learn to live with it?
    
    Because demanding apologies for both, implies that she should simultaneously have taken two diametrically opposed approaches (keep it out, and let it in).
    
    Don’t we need to get our story straight as to what exactly we are blaming her for?
    
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    February 15, 2021 8:58am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:04am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep, Yet another Border Failure.
    On another note,
    What was the COVID procedures Skytrax were getting employees to follow?
    Was it acted upon and followed?
    Obviously the process did’nt work and why not?
    
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    February 15, 2021 12:25pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Lol. What’s the bet (let’s call her Cindy) didn’t use proper PPE when she was washing the blankets and pillows of the infected people coming back into the country.
  
  What a fucking clown show of a country we have become…..
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:45am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    A couple of medical types have said that there have been no known cases of Covid transmission via dirty laundry, and that human transmission is far more likely.
    
    However I’d be much more worried about possible transmission at Papatoetoe High School given the daughter is in Y9, so she’s 13 or 14, an age at which young women greet one another enthusiastically, with hugs, and a minimum of social distancing.
    
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    February 15, 2021 8:58am
    - kowtow
      
      I’d be much more worried about how that family might be identified and vilified because of our Media pardy fear mongering about the sniffles.
      
      Last night on one of the “news’ ” they had a reporterette doing one of their oh so with it fashionable “live crosses” from outside said school .
      
      Six o’clock on a Sunday night , literally “nothing to see here “
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:14am
    - Frank the tank
      
      If that is the case we’re fucked. We’ll be in lockdown for a looong time if it is out and about in the South Auckland community.
      
      In regards to your point re laundry transmission point taken although i’d argue that other countries probably had reasonable PPE and procedures. You watch when the facts come out it will be clown college 101 at the NZ entity of LSG Sky Chefs.
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:16am
      - david
        
        One would have expected a case of transmission via laundry from one of the ’hot’ MIQ hotels given that there have been some hundreds of positively tested cases passing through them, if laundry could have been the vector. Not saying it is impossible but highly, highly unlikely.
        Teenage girls on the other hand ………….
        Not likely to tell all under some circumstances.
        Just saying!!!!!!
        
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        February 15, 2021 4:18pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Seems they aren’t too worried about the visit to several places in New Plymouth. Why only level 2 there?
      
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      February 15, 2021 11:04am
    - Master Mariner
      
      I’d disagree tony,
      If you are rapped up in a blanket and infectious during flight then very high probability of being on the blanket.
      Question is, What are the COVID procedures for handling these items from the Service provider and has it been outsourced to local company, ie Breach of Border again .
      
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      February 15, 2021 1:26pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I’m prepared to bow to Dr Baker’s expertise on this, and he says there’s no evidence anywhere in the world of Covid being transmitted via fabrics. Hard surfaces, yes, but not fabrics.
        
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        February 15, 2021 1:56pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        If thats the case then you cant get it from a Mask.
        Which is it ?
        
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        February 15, 2021 2:40pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    If that is the cause of infection, which doesn’t appear very likely, then it is the result of one person failing to follow instructions.
    
    That does not make an entire country into a fucking clown show.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:01am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘then it is the result of one person failing to follow instructions.’
      
      And how you know that ?
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:15am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        It wasn’t me but Frank the tank who speculated, on the basis of no apparent evidence at all, that the virus was caught because the affected woman didn’t use PPE when washing laundry for quarantined travellers.
        
        On being advised that medical experts have advised that laundry transmission is extremely improbable, he then speculated, again on the basis of no apparent evidence, that other countries “probably” have a requirement for reasonable PPE and procedures.
        
        Why aren’t you challenging him as to how he know that?
        
        And it remains the case that none of this comes anywhere close to providing tenable grounds for the conclusion that New Zealand as a whole has become a fucking clown show. There are reasons to think that, but Frank the tank’s groundless assumptions are not among them.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:12am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Because if you are serious about keeping the WuFlu out of the country you lock down all vectors tighter than a pair of Kardashian jeans.
      
      Time and time again it has been shown to not be the case.
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I seriously doubt that the virus survives long on clothing /laundry etc.
    It is much more likely that someone in the family has inhaled air containing the virus… i.e. they have come into the personal space of an infected person.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:09am
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      If true, then there is at least one person spreading the virus around. Being the UK variety could MIQ records be searched for a likely suspect?
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:15am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      What’s the probability of a micro particle virus being wafted around on the winds, perhaps protected by some minuscule covering, and traversing the great distances of world travel. Other creatures have succeeded. We need 50Km high borders around NZ to protect against that.
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:52am
      - Nickc2
        
        That’s too grown-up Kev. Our mob can’t see past person to person transfer.
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:24am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Most unlikely… UV would be zapping the virus for hours and it would be exposed to a changing regime of temperature and humidity.
        
        Viruses are not fungal spores.
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:27am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Foreign DNA from a sneeze can stay on clothing for a long time, so equally with a personal cough or sneeze onto one’s own clothes. Not sure why the virus wouldn’t, as it would be mixed in with a relatively heavy spray from the lungs and throat, its temporary habitat. Would be an easy test to do in the lab. Probably already information on that available.
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:55am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        We are talking about the viability /infectivity of the virus.
        
        Yes, you may detect some of its viral decay products..as seems to happen in “historical” positive cases. Doesn’t mean that these fragments can infect a living cell.
        
        Viral DNA/RNA is much more fragile than the DNA in sloughed-off cells coughed out in mucous-laden sneeze.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:09am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Not sure why… easy to test… probably etc
        
        Do some research, Brian. And come back with something useful.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:16am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Maggie, what information do you have as to when the decay happens? For example, if the virus is in the spray from the lungs or throat when does the virus degenerate? Big assumptions you are making there. I’m sure there must be information on that.
        
        Not sure about viral DNA being as fragile as you say, in fact, there is evidence to say it isn’t, but agree there is a lot of evidence to say RNA is fragile.
        
        Found 1 estimate: It is not certain how long the virus that causes COVID-19 survives on surfaces, but it seems likely to behave like other coronaviruses. A recent review of the survival of human coronaviruses on surfaces found large variability, ranging from 2 hours to 9 days (11).
        
        The survival time depends on a number of factors, including the type of surface, temperature, relative humidity, and a specific strain of the virus.
        
        Can’t find any distinctions made about say an airborne virus compared to one that arrives “self-contained” in muscous.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:53am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Researching you would be useful KK, for a laugh.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:55am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Brian McDonald
        
        Basically a virus needs living cells to replicate… they don’t survive long in the environment.
        
        The big problem is that it isn’t ethical to go around infecting folks with viable/active viruses that cause nasty illnesses…so scientists use proxys – such as seeing if the virus can replicate on a bacterial film or cell culture or cause disease in a ferret.
        
        So there is much we don’t know about how some viruses are transmitted in the real world (not just in lab studies) and how long they can persist in an active state in the environment.
        
        Here’s stuff on the viability of the Covid-19 virus that was current in early 2020… might be out of date now.
        
        https://www.science.org.au/sites/default/files/rrif-covid19-viability-on-surfaces_0.pdf
        
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        February 15, 2021 12:20pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Thanks Maggie, informative link. The word it uses is “viable” and Corona Viruses remain viable for up to 2 days. Don’t think that excludes the laundry by any means and is consistent with PPE requirements.
        
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        February 15, 2021 1:17pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Brian McD
        
        This is one study
        The test of viability would not have been under realistic circumstances whereby a human became infected with the virus.
        
        It really represents the extremes of survival under conditions of ideal and unchanging temperature and humidity.
        
        I think it is much more probable that someone in the infected family inhaled a load of viruses exhaled out by an infected person.
        
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        February 15, 2021 1:51pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        @Maggie and Brian,
        
        the viral loads (fomites actually) used in that study were overwhelmingly high, so the T = 2d is very conservative. The corona virus appears to have an intermediate viability (lasts longer than HIV [minutes at best] outside the human body but not as long as Hepatitis, in e.g. droplets on a hard surface. This would depend on where the hard surface was – UV degrades it pretty fast, although nSARS-CoV-2 is highly glycosylated which gives it some resilience to breakdown (and, incidentally the immune system). That’s another reason the virus is more transmissible indoors than out. I am with Michael Baker, utterly not buying the “on the laundry” transmission. My $ are of person-to-person airside or crew.
        
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        February 15, 2021 2:40pm
- MCos
  
  None of these three people works at the border.
  Nevertheless
  The infected woman, who works in the laundry, has been regularly tested, but she can’t be tested if she’s on AL.
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:17am
  - doublehappy
    
    AL?
    
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    February 15, 2021 1:16pm
    - doublehappy
      
      Scrolled down near the end of the blogs, and saw that she was on leave. Then I was able to deduce that you meant Annual Leave. Why couldn’t you say so?
      
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      February 15, 2021 1:34pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  What do you expect after nine long years of neglect by the previous National gummit?
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:34am
Maggie Pie

LOOK AT MOI PLOISE! LOOK AT MOI 😀

https://facebook.com/jacindaardern/videos/438104760674622/
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February 15, 2021 8:07am
- igm
  
  Bloody hideous, in fact beyond belief!
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:09am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Yep – a weeks planning after a long break and straight back into campaign mode.
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:19am
- Swifty
  
  What is it with lefty women and those long, dangly earings?
  
  Good grief – the last time I saw anything like that was the chain I pulled every morning when I was back on the farm as a kid.
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:23am
  - igm
    
    [Deleted – OTT. Mod.]
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:29am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You had a chain?
    
    Luxury . . .
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:50am
    - Swifty
      
      Well, I could add that it was handle-less for many years so, as kids we’d have to wrap the chain around our hand once or twice to get enough purchase on it to successfully pull it down.
      
      🙂
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:53am
  - Tall Man
    
    Still the same really when you pull it.
    
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    February 15, 2021 10:09am
    - Swifty
      
      What, tadpoles were flushed into the bowl?
      
      We were on dam supply back then.
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:44am
      - Tall Man
        
        I couldn’t possibly comment on what emanates when that particular chain is pulled.
        
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        February 15, 2021 6:20pm
  - Inandout
    
    Swifty, they look like fishing lures to me.
    
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    February 15, 2021 10:42am
    - Swifty
      
      Could be – maybe someone forgot her birthday and had a rummage through the tackle box.
      
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      February 15, 2021 12:08pm
- emmess
  
  NO, didn’t even click your link
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:28am
- pdm
  
  Do you think the head tilts and frowny faces take much practice?
  
  Unbelieveable how she cant turn a 2 or 3minute announcement into a 30 minute drama show.
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:36am
  - pdm
    
    ……can turn……
    
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    February 15, 2021 8:53am
  - Swifty
    
    It’s all the rage now.
    
    AOC is the US’ greatest proponent.
    
    It’s all me, me, me, me, me.
    
    It’s political theatre.
    
    Same as now NZ politicians can’t make an announcement with out half a dozen of their mates standing around them looking gormless and with the odd nod of the head in agreement with the tosh being spouted.
    
    Haven’t they got better things to do with their time and our money?
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:00am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Haven’t they got better things to do with their time and our money?
      
      No… they’ve got no overseas conferences to attend
      and no international superstars to entertain.
      
      In fact, they’re stuck in boring little NZ with the company of their fellow politicians.
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:13am
      - Swifty
        
        “No… they’ve got no overseas conferences to attend
        and no international superstars to entertain.”
        
        True Maggy – and now the MP for Tijuana has blown it for any of them to take a sneaky break overseas under the guise of ‘sick relatives’ – and for quite some time I suspect.
        
        They know now that we’d be all over them.
        
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        February 15, 2021 9:25am
      - sooty
        
        [Mod: unfounded speculation and bringing family into politics]
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:54am
    - Swifty
      
      Labour MPs have screamed at us all a thousand times over the last few years (especially under Key and Bill):
      
      Housing is in CRISIS!
      
      We have a child poverty CRISIS!
      
      NZ has a homeless CRISIS!
      
      And now we have apparently A CLIMATE EMERGEEEEEENCY!!!!!
      
      And the absolute best use of their time?
      
      Stand around Robbo or Ardern for hours a week at a time while they deliver a speech written by someone else.
      
      I could understand if as part of the presser they were invited, as Minister responsible or similar, to comment on one thing or another – but 95 times out of 100 they stay silent throughout. They might as well be cardboard cutouts.
      
      It never used to be this way and I’m confident MPs of the past would say, if asked “hey, how about half a dozen of us stand around you while giving your interview?” they would have said “Hell no, what the hell sort of impression would that send to people – that we’ve got nothing better to do than stand around doing nothing?”
      
      Good grief these people are just taking the piss.
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:22am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        They’ve seen those folks standing by their shovels alongside roadworks and want to appear like them – one of the workers.
        
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        February 15, 2021 9:42am
      - Swifty
        
        That’ll be it, Maggy!
        
        Why didn’t I think of that?
        
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        February 15, 2021 9:50am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Extremely well paid incompetents standing around taking the piss . . .
        
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        February 15, 2021 9:55am
      - Tall Man
        
        Starts with “W” Maggy, just needs a couple of minor changes.
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:08am
      - alex Masterley
        
        When the PM has a crowd behind her it reminds me of a crowd of bobble heads.
        
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        February 15, 2021 2:28pm
    - pdm
      
      Swifty – MP for Tijuana
      
      Excellent!!!
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:52am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘ 2 or 3minute announcement into a 30 minute drama show’
    
    The 50 year Coronation Street model is finally exposed . . .
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:52am
  - Bob
    
    Requires a lot of practice. pdm
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:54am
- kowtow
  
  The Media Pardy are making her out to have made a heroic dash , by plane , back to Welly in order to fix this latest .
  
  But I thort we were in the middle of a climate emergency , a generational something . Why not zoom or some such.
  
  No , she’s Paul Revere riding to the rescue…. again.
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:50am
  - sooty
    
    No, she was escaping before lockdown!
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:00am
    - kowtow
      
      Good point . She’s telling people she doesn’t want people to travel out of Auckland , after she travelled out of Auckland .
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:31am
      - Batman
        
        This is the same argument used by the left against Simon Bridges as Leader of the Opposition and Chair of the Covid committee, when trying to force him to stay home and appear via zoom.
        
        As you may recall, we rubbished them for that on the basis of him having an important role in our democracy.
        
        Are you saying that the Prime Minister is not essential?
        
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        February 15, 2021 9:42am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Are you saying that the Prime Minister is not essential?
        
        We seemed to manage very well over December-January without her presence.
        
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        February 15, 2021 9:44am
      - kowtow
        
        Who is this “we” you refer to?
        
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        February 15, 2021 9:48am
      - Batman
        
        The centre-right, or further right in your case if you prefer.
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:09am
      - Tall Man
        
        Pretty sure this one isn’t “essential”.
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:05am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘The centre-right, or further right in your case if you prefer.’
        
        Unwarranted , offensive and underhand . As a ‘mod” you know better .
        
        Or is it another case of Do as I say , not as I do ?
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:46am
      - Batman
        
        I’m not saying you’re far right, just further right than me. I meant, you’re not gonna claim you’re actually to the left of me are you?
        
        Honestly, you’re looking for things to carp about now.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:49am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Batman – We don’t have to believe the rubbish the Left spouted to expect them to adhere to their own “rules”. It’s not hypocrisy to say “you said that Bridges didn’t need to come down, so why is it ok for Jacinda to?”
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:52am
      - Batman
        
        You and I are saying the same thing but different ways.
        
        We agree that both are important enough to travel down to Wellington right?
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:43am
      - alloytoo
        
        Are you saying that the Prime Minister is not essential?
        
        ummmmmmmm
        
        errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
        
        Frankly we do better when she’s not there.
        
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        February 15, 2021 12:25pm
      - Batman
        
        THE Prime Minister, not necessarily THIS Prime Minister ?
        
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        February 15, 2021 12:28pm
      - redflagged
        
        I would say the PM isn’t essential. The country runs better when politicians are on holiday.
        
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        February 15, 2021 7:02pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    did she wear a mask on the plane?
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:05am
    - pentwig
      
      [Mod: personal abuse about physical attributes has been banned for a long time. Do it again and you’ll be suspended]
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:23am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        not sure pentwig actually knows what my physical attribute is.
        But I must admit it is pretty inconvenient, having to wrap it around my left leg. Especially as it tends to cut off the circulation to that leg, every time a pretty girl walks by.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEymZ3rXOmc
        
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        February 15, 2021 12:42pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    So instead of immediately telling everyone so that they will adopt more cautious behaviour straight away we instead have to wait half a day for Glorious leader to get back to wellington and get her hair done so that she can read a statement off a teleprompter?
    
    Muppet show.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:10am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Ardern knew sunday morning, but wanted to go to the Big Gay Out photo op (shows where her priorities really are). Public weren’t told until sunday evening. Just appalling.
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/02/duncan-garner-if-jacinda-ardern-knew-about-covid-19-cases-on-sunday-morning-why-didn-t-she-do-unpopular-thing-and-cancel-big-gay-out.html
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:26am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        to be clear she didn’t go to Big Gay Out, but didn’t move to cancel it either.
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:40am
    - sooty
      
      She took the broomstick to wellington to save all the jet fuel, etc! She should wear a fullface crash helmet instead of a pointy hat to protect the hair!
      
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      February 15, 2021 11:00am
- Nickc2
  
  Scary Maggie. I didn’t listen to the audio because I don’t like vomiting. However, was it a job interview for a Straw-Broom Test Pilot?
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:00am
- Tall Man
  
  Actually Maggie, it’s …
  
  “LOOK AT ME…. NOW”.
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:10am
- Mag Anz
  
  No, thanks!
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:13am
- Observer of Life
  
  Thanks Magz.. that’s totally ruined my breakfast in bed.
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:22am
I remember when

‘What happens with German renewables in the dead of winter……. 8/02/2017’
http://www.dw.com
Well who would have seen the possibility of that ever happening?
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February 15, 2021 8:07am
- alex Masterley
  
  Genesis are firing up their gas turbines as the hydro lakes in the south island are a bit empty.
  
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  February 15, 2021 2:37pm
fernglas

Has anyone explained why this border worker did not have a two weekly test while she was on holiday? Or was the Government too stupid to think of that? And why only two weekly? Most people catch the virus and recover in about that time. New Zealand is just plain lucky, not competent, and everybody’s luck runs out sooner or later.
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February 15, 2021 8:08am
- fernglas
  
  In answer to my own question:
  
  • If workers are absent from work at the required testing time (for example, they are on holiday or
  not rostered to work during the required testing period), they are still required to comply with
  their testing requirements under the Required Testing Order.
  • If workers are absent from work and are not tested during the required testing period, they
  should be tested as soon as possible after their return to work.
  
  And she didn’t even have her fortnightly test while she was still working:
  “She had a negative result on January 18 but her last day at work was on February 5.
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:22am
  - MCos
    
    She’s also not a border worker inasmuch as she doesn’t come into contact with travelers, is my understanding.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:20am
    - fernglas
      
      She still had fortnightly testing which was not done properly
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:39am
- Master Mariner
  
  Doesnt it fall under her employer under OH&S.
  If not it should.
  Duty of care?
  
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  February 15, 2021 1:36pm
Paulus

Good move really in the circumstances.
Thought Ardern was still on holiday, or had gone to sleep waiting for something to happen so she can get back in front of us all.
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February 15, 2021 8:10am
BAM

Until coronavirus disappears or runs rampant through NZ, National hasn’t got a hope, it trumps everything.

There is literally no way they can get any traction, in the meantime, Labour has free reign to due as they please.
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February 15, 2021 8:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  That includes spending without proper scrutiny. I expected that when they got a $50Bn slush fund approved.
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:57am
- unaha-closp
  
  The death rate of slower killing diseases will increase in the middle of this year and continue rising through 2023. These lock downs will still look decisive and effective in 2023, but the context of them will have changed.
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:03am
Happychappy

Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister likes to dazzle us with slogans so again ” go hard and early ” is the plan once again.
What makes it worse she also knew of the latest cases in the community on Sunday afternoon but still let the Big Day Out with thousands of people from LGBTQ, plus others attend the parade Sunday while Coronavirus was in the community.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-auckland-into-level-3-lockdown-nz-to-alert-level-2/VICFSFKSMGMQRU2WKBTIT7BPAY/
Our Prime Minister obviously thinks the public is stupid with he rhetoric and one liners, because everytime we get a new development it starts again talking down the adults like she does with School children.
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February 15, 2021 8:22am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m sorry to say, that a sizable portion of the public are stupid. They buy into the one-liners, the State media’s messaging, the fear, they ignore the government appalling non-performance, and in the end they give Ardern their vote. It’s utterly tragic.
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:06am
  - kowtow
    
    Yes , quite literally frightening.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:20am
  - BAM
    
    People tend to be pack animals, they want to be part of the group.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:26am
    - plc
      
      Lemmings?
      
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      February 15, 2021 9:41am
      - Tall Man
        
        Lemmings jump, we’re being pushed … more like sheep I think 😉
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:02am
      - doublehappy
        
        Sheeple.
        
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        February 15, 2021 1:42pm
- Alex13
  
  Yeah, “the others” should have been removed from the parade.
  
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  February 15, 2021 2:19pm
I remember when

‘On July 25, 2015, it was very windy in the north and sunny in the south.
For a few hours renewables yielded about three-quarters of Germany’s electricity.’
The answer is obvious – pass legislation to make every German day, 25 July, 2015.
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February 15, 2021 8:22am
Maggie Pie

Watercare are still requesting people keep to 4 minute showers.

https://twitter.com/ShaunMcE/status/1361025401481555973
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February 15, 2021 8:34am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  We should stop washing our hands so often to save water.
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:42am
- Frank the tank
  
  Just rinse off at the beach – oops we’ve just had some rain therefore you’ll be swimming in poo.
  
  Most livable city is the world (sic).
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:43am
  - sooty
    
    Yes, but the water at the beach has been contaminated with covid by the MIQ inmates using toilets that are hooked up to leaky pipes, hence contaminated beach water!
    So don’t go swiming!
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:20am
  - hullkiwi
    
    They couldn’t plan it better if they tried. Whoops, that’s right, they haven’t been doing any planning, which is why Auckland is regularly in the sh*t, so to speak.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:42am
- MCos
  
  Have you checked the fine print on your hair restorer container?
  
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  February 15, 2021 8:54am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Enlighten us, MC…
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:28am
    - MCos
      
      One thing I’ve never had to resort to. As it happens I’m always on the lookout for hair retardant.
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:55am
I remember when

‘Myanmar spirit mediums take aim at military coup.’
Their chances of success would appear to be about average.
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February 15, 2021 8:35am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I should think that their success would be positively correlated with the extent of superstition among Myanmar’s generals.
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:22am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Perhaps they could be useful at Fraser house for divination. Some method of govt needs to be available.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:59am
- Master Mariner
  
  Strange enough,
  Port act mentions about “calling up spirits” and fine is 20,000 Kyat.
  They take this seriously here.
  Heading into Yangon now.
  
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  February 15, 2021 1:41pm
Yvette

What is the medical science reason that the South Island and Stewart Island have shifted to Level 2?
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February 15, 2021 9:01am
- krazykiwi
  
  We are way, way past science on this one. This is now dogma, and manipulation of the masses for political gain.
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:07am
  - Frank the tank
    
    “trust the science” – have a swill every time you hear that come out of St Ash, Squealer or the Blairite and within a few days you’ll turn into Barney Gumble.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:21am
  - sooty
    
    Aucklanders travel!
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:21am
    - Tall Man
      
      So how about a few random samples be taken to see if we have “spread” or are they too frightened to broaden the testing regime in case we find that it already has and isn’t causing mass deaths…….
      
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      February 15, 2021 10:00am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        They don’t need random testing, the testing booths are doing overtime. How do you propose random sampling – grabbing people off the streets?
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:02am
      - Tall Man
        
        Yep.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:05am
      - kowtow
        
        Some places test the waste water . But then they’d probably find 100 % meth.
        
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        February 15, 2021 1:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    C = ontrol
    O = ppress
    V = ictimize
    I = solate
    D = ivide
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  1. People travel… Lots of folks still holidaying around NZ catching and spreading bugs…
  
  2. We are team 5M…..can’t have some of us suffering whilst others are out partying…
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofA3URC1wyk
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:25am
  - sooty
    
    Share and share a like!
    
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    February 15, 2021 11:05am
- MCos
  
  Obvious, I would have thought.
  Plane loads of people leave Mangere every hour and head off down that way.
  
  I saw Jim Bolt the mayor of Queenstown wailing about all the empty hotels down there. I’d be quite happy if these MIQ facilities were relocated down there and give us a break from the constant threat of these bloody lockdowns.
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:31am
- GazzaW
  
  …..and why is New Plymouth not on L3? The family visited nine sites that we know of and presumably they slept somewhere for 2-3 nights. Standard Jacinda parameters would surely have New Plymouth straight into L3.
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:58am
  - sooty
    
    Only 3 roads into Taranaki!
    
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    February 15, 2021 11:06am
JibberJabber

Oh so vacant talking head finds pussy pass invalid,
https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1360852878831849472

The evidence was only a “little bit” manufactured…
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February 15, 2021 9:11am
- kevn
  
  @Jib… Great stuff.
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:38am
- Tall Man
  
  Now, where do we find such a man to “engage” with our pathetic press?
  
  Even our host appears in the media and does little to challenge their biased coverage and he would be one that I assume would be more than capable of addressing their bias.
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    My comment is “NOT” attacking our host merely pointing out that he, more than most, has the skills and the knowledge to present the facts to the media but chooses not to do so like many others.
    
    I believe in NZ we have a culture of not rocking the boat too much although the “Tax Payers Union” does their best.
    
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    February 15, 2021 11:03am
- Observer of Life
  
  Jibber: That was excellent. Go that man!
  
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  February 15, 2021 12:48pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  His last broadside against the media ‘Left AND right’ was brilliant, and accusing the media of dividing the nation, and their quest for ratings.
  “I turn on one channel, and they say it is raining, and I look at another and they say it is sunny”.
  “Live by the truth, instead of creating a narrative.”
  Brilliant.
  Very much applies to NZ sadly. Activists and click baiters. Always needing to read for the bias or agenda.
  
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  February 15, 2021 12:51pm
- curry4me
  
  JibberJabber: He totally tore the CBS ‘repeater’ apart. Thanks for posting the link.
  
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  February 15, 2021 4:08pm
Maggie Pie

Reminder to the group….
Tomorrow is SHROVE TUESDAY

Thort you might like to try my fab PANCAKE recipe 😛
2 cups Flour
3 tbs Sugar
1/2 tsp Salt
2 tsp Baking Pdr
2 Eggs (beat separately & add)
1/4 cup melted Butter
1 3/4 cups Milk

Mix dry ingredients.
Combine eggs & melted butter with the milk and slowly stir into the dry mix.
Fry in hot oil/butter.

We like ours served with oodles of Maple Syrup, Lemon Juice & Cream.
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February 15, 2021 9:28am
- alphabeatrium
  
  Don’t stir too much (“mix untiul just combined” means literally that) and leave the mix to sit for at least 10-15 minutes. If you want them nice and thick and fluffy. (As a dad of three young ones, I am professional at this.)
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:15am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thx al. My partner likes his thick.
    You can always add more milk if you want.
    
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    February 15, 2021 11:41am
    - Tall Man
      
      Hopefully just his pancakes Maggie 😉
      
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      February 15, 2021 2:17pm
- Andrei
  
  Maggie forget the baking powder, use yeast, or even better if you can a sourdough starter
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:33am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’ve got yeast in the Scullery.
    Use the same quantity?
    
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    February 15, 2021 12:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      If it is fresh, 1 tsp should do the trick with 2c flour.
      
      But you have to activate it first with lukewarm milk..
      
      and once you’ve mixed all your ingredients together, leave the pancake mix to double in bulk.
      
      (you can see why those Russian babushkas had to get up early in the morning preparing their blini….stick with b.p.)
      
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      February 15, 2021 2:06pm
Libertarians are right

I just read the comments regarding Gina Carano and Pedro Pascal. I think, while there is definitely a double standard re the Left’s treatment of the two, it’s worth noting that Pedro Pascal has been on Gina’s side throughout this whole thing.
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February 15, 2021 9:34am
- James Stephenson
  
  Has he? I saw that he’d made some noises about quitting The Mandelorian, but that seemed to me to be an attempt to “do a Daniel Craig” in the hope of a pay rise.
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:37am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    I’ve been following this for a few weeks and he has come out in her defense multiple times.
    
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    February 15, 2021 11:33am
tf78

Why, during the 6-8 weeks whilst everyone was on holiday – NOTHING. Then, first day back we are being warned, then the following week we are in lock down.
I have a suggestion, all the MPs and the story tellers go back on holiday and it will all go away again. Very suss if you ask me.
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February 15, 2021 9:35am
- Tall Man
  
  ardern needed to show “she” was still in charge, despite being MIA for most of the past 2 months.
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:55am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Getting a bit like her party 2IC – must be learning from his example!
    
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    February 15, 2021 10:23am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Sounds like you have withdrawal symptoms if you don’t see her Tall Man. Feeling a little ignored?
    
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    February 15, 2021 11:05am
    - Tall Man
      
      As usual, wide of the mark again.
      
      Her absences are appreciated but that doesn’t mean I cannot comment on them does it?
      
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      February 15, 2021 11:09am
  - doublehappy
    
    It’s a good game this, MIA = missing in action, only took me a minute to work out, try harder. Perhaps GHJD. Don’t it’s just random like most acronym seems to a lot of people. Especially later in life when the brain is full and you need to be selective about what you store.
    
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    February 15, 2021 2:12pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Sorry DH (doublehappy).
      
      Acronyms like MIA are fairly common but I am amazed about your full brain … does it bobble like cindy’s 😉
      
      Oops, my bad, only an empty one does that 🙂
      
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      February 15, 2021 6:25pm
rockape

Question, will parliament be operating as normal in particular question time. Genuine question as I am concerned if there will be no accountability for this lockdown.
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February 15, 2021 9:41am
- Batman
  
  Yes indeed, the House is operating as normal tomorrow, Weds and Thurs.
  
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  February 15, 2021 9:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Normal” hmmmmmm..ardern waffles, mallard blocks questions and the opposition is denied the right of reply in any meaningful manner.
    
    Yep, that’s the new “normal”.
    
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    February 15, 2021 9:54am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Batman – “operating as normal” ? Does that mean we are likely to see “Urgency” used as the new normal for the governments ideological legislative programme. Local body wards comes to mind : )
    
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    February 15, 2021 10:12am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Batman, do you work at the Beehive?
    
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    February 15, 2021 12:50pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Parliament will be sitting, but at Level 2 conditions, i.e. all parties will have a reduced number of MP’s in the House, and the Public Gallery is closed
    
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    February 15, 2021 2:14pm
rangitoto

So it’s the UK strain. It’s out there folks.
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February 15, 2021 9:43am
- Inandout
  
  rangi, we can say ‘bloody poms’.
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:45am
plc

So last night watching TV3 News there is a story glorifying the efforts of two people to make 100+ skydives in a day.

Suddenly the whole Climate Emergency that has been shoved down our throats has been forgotten.

what is it? Are we meant to worry about our carbon footprint or are we meant to applaud 50+ unnecessary plane flights?
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February 15, 2021 9:45am
- Flossie
  
  I was interested that they apparently raised about $5000 for their chosen charity. I wonder how much it actually cost to achieve that? Could have saved a lot of “carbon pollution” and left out the middleman…just handed the cost straight to said charity.
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:57am
- Inandout
  
  plc, reminded me of the ‘Not Going Out’ episode when the plane seems to fly around for half an hour while dropping characters off. Presumably the plane flew in circles.
  https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1114550/Not-Going-Out-2019-cast-who-is-lee-mack-sally-bretton-hugh-dennis
  
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  February 15, 2021 12:32pm
Maggie Pie

2021 – THE YEAR OF ‘DOWNGRADES’ 😀

https://twitter.com/Sheckyi/status/1360344690101485571

(I’m going to do a photo-montage as well – any suggestions?)
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February 15, 2021 9:45am
JibberJabber

The story is gradually falling apart,
https://amgreatness.com/2021/02/14/the-new-york-times-retracts-the-sicknick-story/
The medical examiner who performed Mr Sicknick’s autopsy said there were no signs of blunt force trauma contributing to the officer’s death.
Brian Sicknick had a blood clot and suffered a stroke.
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February 15, 2021 9:59am
- Batman
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  He was bear sprayed by violent MAGA insurrectionists.
  
  Either way, no riot and he would still be alive.
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:25am
  - krazykiwi
    
    no riot and he would still be alive
    
    What an idiotic thing to say. Presumably on your planet blood clots hide away until there’s social unrest.
    
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    February 15, 2021 10:35am
    - Batman
      
      It’s not idiotic. A blood clot can be caused by a number of factors.
      
      There is an investigation into his death so perhaps the wild strawman attempts by MAGAworld should pipe down until that is completed.
      
      https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptoms/blood-clots/basics/causes/sym-20050850
      
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      February 15, 2021 12:34pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It’s odd that the MAGA hats are making a big deal about this. Maybe the unfortunate officer died of entirely natural causes. That would make only four deaths caused by a violent attempt to overthrow the lawful government. Much less serious, right?
        
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        February 15, 2021 1:17pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Pretty sure if these clowns really wanted to “overthrow” the government rather than vigourously protect they would have achieved a lot more than just a few broken windows and stolen chairs.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/09/us-militias-trump-election-day-covid-guns
        
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        February 15, 2021 2:14pm
      - Batman
        
        They definitely gave it a go. The oath keepers and three percenters were there in force and organised with plans and distraction IEDs to pull the authorities away from the Capitol.
        
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        February 15, 2021 3:32pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        You’re referring to your mates in Antifa & BLM there Batty Boy.
        
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        February 15, 2021 5:23pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    You probably need to turn the hysteria up a notch, it’s not shrill enough to flip the unconvinced to your PoV atm.
    
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    February 15, 2021 12:19pm
    - Batman
      
      Was it violent? Yes.
      
      Was it an insurrection? Yes.
      
      Please point out the hysteria. MAGA having a tanty because they don’t like the truth isn’t an excuse.
      
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      February 15, 2021 12:36pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        When charges are bought against Pelosi, Schiff, Waters, AOC, et al for inciting 4 years of violent insurrection against the lawfully elected Govt of the USA in 2016, then I’ll concede that what’s good for the Goose is, indeed, good for the Gander.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_protests_against_Donald_Trump
        
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        February 15, 2021 12:54pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Whoever heard of unarmed insurrectionists? By CNN standards, this was “mostly peaceful”.
        
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        February 15, 2021 1:37pm
      - Than
        
        JibberJabber; so there are going to be charges again Pelosi, Schiff, Waters, AOC, etc. now? Is that the latest Trumpista delusion?
        
        I’d put that on the same level as the “lock her up” chanting. Four years later, despite Trump being in control of the Department of Justice that whole time, Hillary Clinton has not been charged with anything.
        
        Meanwhile just weeks after he left office there are now multiple civil, and some potentially criminal, investigations into Trump’s dealings.
        
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        February 15, 2021 2:13pm
      - RiP NZ
        
        MAGA is just an idea……
        
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        February 15, 2021 3:12pm
      - Batman
        
        Yes, just like a lot of other ideas have jumped from imagination to reality and then to political violence.
        
        “No Trump, no peace” was one of the chants on Jan 6.
        
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        February 15, 2021 3:36pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        Than, reading comprehension not your strong point then?
        
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        February 15, 2021 3:48pm
  - Fletch
    
    Funny how the media all reported that he’d been hit in the head with a fire extinguisher. The reported it over and over again. And funny how his body was cremated right away after the autopsy (that we’re not allowed to see). What are they hiding?
    
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    February 15, 2021 7:27pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The whole reporting of the “riot deaths” was a national media disgrace that will ho down in history as such.
  
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  February 15, 2021 12:06pm
  - kowtow
    
    Same with George Fentanyl Floyd’s.
    
    The Media Pardy stirring up division ,doubt , riot , insurrection , looting , murder and mayhem.
    
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    February 15, 2021 1:32pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    I don’t think it will. The majority of historians seems to swing the same way as the media, politically.
    
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    February 15, 2021 1:39pm
Stu2

The testing of the family has shown they have a variant that has not been found in MIQ

And the mother and daughter showed symptoms at about the same time, so they may have both caught it from someone else

Looking messy
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February 15, 2021 10:00am
Odakyu-sen

Here’s the latest Toyokeizai COVID-19 data from Japan.
https://toyokeizai.net/sp/visual/tko/covid19/en.html

See the “Tested Positive By Age” chart on the right-hand side, third down. Even in the “60s” age group (many of whom will have been life-long smokers, with hypertension and possible pre-diabetic conditions) of the 34,942 positives in the group, only 481 died (with the virus). That’s a crude death rate of 481/34,942 = slightly less than 1.4%. (Many of these people would be in their later 60s and have co-morbidities.)

Look at the 50s and younger groups. Even though ALL the people in this chart tested positive (the chart does not include asymptomatic cases) almost none have died. Bear in mind that the Japanese, on average, are a lot fitter, healthier and well educated than many in the tubbier communities in the West…
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February 15, 2021 10:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  That’s well presented data. I wish New Zealand did likewise.
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:31am
- fernglas
  
  As with most of Europe and the US, this shows infections tracking way down. Too soon for it to be due to the vaccines and unlikely, in the case of the US, to be a change of government (sorry Michael Baker) it can only be due to seasonality or herd immunity. New Zealand is about to lose seasonality, does not have any herd immunity, and has significant populations who are obese and unwell. Why are we cruising along at a vaccination rate which will have many uninoculated until next year, when this virus is just poised to take off here?
  
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  February 15, 2021 11:06am
103PapPap

If I described someone as “tilty head jazz hands” would anyone guess who I was talking about?
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February 15, 2021 10:11am
- Bob
  
  Possibly! would help if there was a video link.
  oh oh… I forgot the link is called TV1.
  Like the ‘jazz hands phrase’
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:49am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Hmm, it could be a few people. If you added “frowny face” and “tone of a kindergarten teacher” that would narrow it down a bit…
  
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  February 15, 2021 11:08am
- Lance
  
  Elmo the muppet?
  
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  February 15, 2021 12:40pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Just “muppet”.
    
    I like Elmo 🙂
    
    The first 30 seconds will be emnough to ring a bell 🙂
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7UmUX68KtE
    
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    February 15, 2021 2:07pm
- Saks
  
  Her hands flap more wildly than the sign language people.
  
  I haven’t watched a briefing since about may last year. Watched her today
  Mumbling into her notes, then looks up, gesticulates wildly and mispronounces something. Repeat.
  
  Television now smashed.
  
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  February 15, 2021 4:58pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Eric was right on the button. Saw him telling Judge Janine his dad was banned from Twitter for something that he was just acquitted for.
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February 15, 2021 10:15am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Nevertheless the majority, by 57 to 43, found him guilty, but the corrupt system won.
  
  Even Mitch McConnell thinks he’s guilty, but honour, honesty, decency, truth, justice is not important in the Republican rectum.
  
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  February 15, 2021 10:41am
  - fernglas
    
    I have to agree, Doc. To see McConnell vote to acquit and then go on television to describe Trump’s conduct as precisely the charge which was alleged against him was hypocrisy at its highest.
    
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    February 15, 2021 11:25am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      McConnell was splitting hairs. claiming that impeachment would be unconstitutional, but strongly hinting Trump was criminally responsible.
      It’s both, of course: Trump should be barred from further office and criminally prosecuted.
      
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      February 15, 2021 1:19pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Careful what you wish for. Justice is required and the theft of an election has yet to be paid for.
        
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        February 15, 2021 4:26pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      McConnell is well aligned with the Chinese–his wife is one of their business partners.
      
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      February 15, 2021 4:27pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You must have been very upset when the president appointed her to the cabinet then.
        
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        February 15, 2021 4:50pm
      - Doc Holliday
        
        [Deleted – play the ball not the man. Mod.]
        
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        February 15, 2021 6:34pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Go back to your climate hoax, Doc.
    
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    February 15, 2021 11:35am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Most of those 57 would have found him guilty and convicted him just for breathing.
    
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    February 15, 2021 11:37am
  - Flossie
    
    Didn’t they find him NOT guilty?
    
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    February 15, 2021 11:52am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No. It would be more correct to say that there was a majority in favour of conviction, but not the two thirds majority required by the constitution.
      
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      February 15, 2021 1:21pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      The Senate found him not guilty.
      
      57 senators found that he was guilty.
      
      I guess they could believe their own eyes, whereas people like poor old Don B believe only what they’re told by gods and elfs.
      
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      February 15, 2021 1:47pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        And you only believe what you are told by Climate Hoax promoters and CNN. Stop drinking the kool-aid.
        
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        February 15, 2021 5:31pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Trump 2. Swamp rats nil.
    
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    February 15, 2021 12:40pm
  - Inandout
    
    Doc, just accept Trump won and please don’t use those terms ‘honour, honesty, decency, truth, justice’. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck will hang you out to dry for even suggesting such blasphemy.
    
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    February 15, 2021 12:50pm
  - Hollyfield
    
    The voting did not meet the threshold of 2/3 needing to find him guilty. Therefore acquitted.
    
    If the US doesn’t like the threshold they can always lower it – but they will never do that as they know at some point in the future it will backfire when their own person faces impeachment. To be clear, I’m not suggesting impeachment of any current person – just suggesting at some point in the future some person who may or may not yet be elected is likely to be impeached, since virtually every recent president has had impeachment proceedings introduced – Reagan, Bush senior, Bush junior, Clinton, Obama, Trump and Biden.
    
    The whole impeachment thing is an absolute sideshow and is about politics rather than anything genuine.
    
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    February 15, 2021 1:57pm
Mag Anz

I just dropped my kids to daycare. So, why are they again not required to wear mask and social distance? And they can still be a transmitter of them virus? They can go home to mummy and daddy afterwards and do it again the next day. Hmmmm.
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February 15, 2021 10:16am
- alphabeatrium
  
  If it stops gastro, I freaking wish they would. Knocked both me and my wife out last week…
  
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  February 15, 2021 11:39am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Do you seriously think it realistic to expect staff to get daycare-aged children to wear masks all day?
  
  If you are worried that they’ll catch the covids, keep them at home.
  
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  February 15, 2021 4:12pm
NoCash

Has bog paper panic buying started yet?
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February 15, 2021 10:21am
- JibberJabber
  
  Yes, at about 7.01 last night Lol.
  
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  February 15, 2021 12:05pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Just back from the supermarket, and yes, the bum fodder shelves were pretty much empty.
  
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  February 15, 2021 2:18pm
BeaB

Biden getting the free ride from the media that Ardern gets here. Playing video games with his grand-daughters, Dr Jill planting saccharine signs on the White House lawn, Joe’s suspiciously taut and stretched face – all wonderful. Yet we could all rewrite the stories if were Trump.
“Fake news” is a modern reality and our media are so supine, complaisent and lazy.
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February 15, 2021 11:14am
- Mag Anz
  
  Dr? Sorry, that designation is for REAL doctors only.
  
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  February 15, 2021 12:40pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Oh dear, not that canard again.
    
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    February 15, 2021 1:59pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    What like people that hold legitimate Doctorates (e.g. PhD, DSc, EdD), and not those that hold Masters of Biology and Bachelors of Chirurgie (MBChB), for whom we use the title “Dr.” by courtesy? But of course.
    
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    February 15, 2021 2:50pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Humble run of the mill medical doctors, i.e., not specialists, are NOT doctors. It is merely a courtesy title. They do not hold doctorates. It always amazes me when people denigrate people who have actually worked hard to get a doctorate but hold medical doctors up on a pedestal. Mind you, in Italy anyone with even a Bachelors degree is given the title Dottore.
      
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      February 15, 2021 2:56pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That’s right. Mag Anz does not think you are a ‘real’ doctor.
      
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      February 15, 2021 3:34pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Actually, her dissertation is an absolute joke and is basically a bad first year uni assignment that copies large swathes from other people’s work (but does credit them).
      Her Doctorate is basically an “honorary doctorate” as opposed to one that was actually earned.
      
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      February 15, 2021 4:25pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’ll buy that if Jill Biden goes with the red Christmas trees of death for the White House this year.
  
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  February 15, 2021 1:23pm
- Paulus
  
  Like the Dr Jill who is only a Doctor in her interpretation as she did not do a PhD at an acceptable University but a local State sort of Poly.
  
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  February 15, 2021 2:07pm
  - Batman
    
    “She has a bachelor’s degree and a doctoral degree from the University of Delaware, as well as master’s degrees from West Chester University and Villanova University”
    
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Biden
    
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    February 15, 2021 3:25pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      University of Delaware seems to be a bit more than a ‘local State sort of poly, with a similar ranking to AUT (our third-ranked university).
      
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      February 15, 2021 3:41pm
Loddenthinks

I see Biden’s administration, and Biden himself, have struck just the right tone with the press corps.

White House Deputy Press Secretary TJ Ducklo “issued a sexist and profane threat to a journalist seeking to cover his relationship with another reporter.”

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki (pronounced “sarcy” lol) told reporters “I have deep respect for the role of a free and independent press in our democracy and for the role all of you play.”

“There will be moments when we disagree,” Psaki added, “but we have a common goal, which is sharing accurate information with the American people.”

Except of course if that accurate information is about one of their own. The ever-reliable Biden, who stated at his own swearing-in “I’m not joking when I say this: If you ever work with me and I hear you treat another colleague with disrespect, talk down to someone, I will fire you on the spot,” he said that day. “No ifs, ands or buts.” has unaccountably backed down immediately.

Ducklo was of course fired on the spot, no ifs or buts. Hahaha, don’t be silly, he was given the lightest of slaps on the wrist with a wet fake ballot – a week’s suspension without pay. That’ll certainly teach him that actions, such as him stating “I will destroy you” have consequences. Sort of.
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February 15, 2021 11:17am
- Stu2
  
  He has resigned
  
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  February 15, 2021 12:45pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Keep up with the play:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300230018/white-house-aide-resigns-after-threatening-reporter
  
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  February 15, 2021 1:24pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Stu2 pointed that out 40 minutes before you weighed in – try and keep up.
    
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    February 15, 2021 8:12pm
    - Mike
      
      Lame.
      
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      February 15, 2021 8:58pm
- virtualmark
  
  It seems staffers initial plan was to put Ducklo on leave without pay, because he has cancer and his healthcare is tied to his job.
  
  Then they had a better think about it and, given Biden’s comments on treating people with respect, realised they had to (and should) let him go.
  
  The right decision appears to have been made in the end. Pour encourager les autres.
  
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  February 15, 2021 1:57pm
NoFax

First, I want to know if this new outbreak is a true outbreak and people are sick or is it merely a positive PCR test? The media have confused “case” with a “positive test”. To be a case there needs to be symptoms that go along with the test. At this stage my assumption is that it is not a true case and merely a positive case.

As everyone knows PCR tests are qualitative and not quantitative – so we can tell if a person has traces of Covid but not to any extent. Cycle Thresholds can be used as a sort of proxy as to how intense the virus is but that won’t reveal how sick a person will get. All research points that anything over 30 is pointless as at that level the virus cannot replicate – i.e. it’s dead. The government is still delaying the release of CT information and few in the media discuss it.

Without these questions been asked and answered we don’t even know what is happening and, therefore, cannot even understand the approach the government has taken.
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February 15, 2021 12:02pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Didn’t quite get to the end of your rigmarole, but whoever was infected first spread it to at least two others in the family, so it’s not imaginary/paperwork/political spin.
  
  Could be cosmic rays and devil’s dust from outer space targeting small groups spontaneously and simultaneously?
  
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  February 15, 2021 1:40pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Chemtrails Doc, its the Chemtrails 😉
    
    @NoFax – if they wanted to the public health inspectorate can indeed do a precise count of the number of virions using a scorpion probe or Taqman approach or the like (but $$). Thats beside the point as Ct is in Log2, so it is easy enough to come within ballpark just by using Ct. The 40 cycles thing is nonsense, it will be at plateau by then, the Ct at 50% threshold in the linear range soul tell you about load. But here’s the actual kicker: viral load in no way correlates to severity of disease, people can be super spreaders/shedders with massive load and no symptoms. So the viral load argument is DOA.
    
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    February 15, 2021 2:56pm
    - NoFax
      
      Yes that’s the point I was getting at – PCR is not a diagnostic tool.
      
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      February 15, 2021 5:38pm
      - Doc Holliday
        
        Of course it is a diagnostic tool – it tells you the patient is infected.
        
        [Deleted and a warning – any further abusive posts and you will be on a ban. Mod.]
        
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        February 15, 2021 6:47pm
- Tall Man
  
  Well they’re in quaratine not hospital so that gives you an indication of the level of the severity.
  
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  February 15, 2021 2:03pm
- JackRabbit
  
  After 15 months, they have still not yet published the R number or the IFR for NZ. If they can’t be transparent on that, how do you expect them to be transparent about something that was a trigger for a lockdown that will negatively impact the country?
  
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  February 15, 2021 3:04pm
  - Doc Holliday
    
    The R number is an emergent datum.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/14/is-covid-more-deadly-and-contagious-than-seasonal-flu
    
    David Spiegelhalter is chair of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at Cambridge. Anthony Masters is statistical ambassador for the Royal Statistical Society
    
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    February 15, 2021 6:51pm
Maggie Pie

Trending….. 😛

‘THE BIGGER GAY DAY OUT’

https://twitter.com/people/status/1360999277900759040
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February 15, 2021 12:33pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Jesu Coitus Christos! ?
  
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  February 15, 2021 1:39pm
- Don Beckett
  
  That’s Gay Day Outing Bigly. 🙂
  
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  February 15, 2021 1:52pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I’m more amazed that Twitter allowed so many fat shaming comments afterwards, rather than celebrating the diversity & inclusiveness of the rainbow…
  
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  February 15, 2021 3:32pm
- Fletch
  
  Is there a term for being in love with your food???
  
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  February 15, 2021 7:22pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    That’s what she is – pansexual. Chip pan, frying pan, saucepan. I don’t recommend the steamed clam.
    
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    February 15, 2021 10:50pm
RW Capitalist

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/637/021/original/54a0f549fa772979.png
Something I agree with
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February 15, 2021 12:52pm
straighteight

$55 million for the Propaganda department, no surprises there, the government and the ruling class have always been the biggest ditrubutor of misinformation, the Internet and social media has made it harder to hide the truth from us, money machine go brummmmmmmm
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February 15, 2021 12:54pm
I remember when

Let’s have a lockdown Grant, Chris.
What do you think. Grant, Chris I said what do you think……. Sorry my mistake.
Otherwise people will want us to be fixing mental health, child poverty, the price of housing.
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February 15, 2021 1:24pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, the ordinary working and retired people around here are over this government’s inability to address the issues they said they would (let alone fix them) -except for the new and extra taxing and regulating of land use, water and small businesses, of course.
  They have grown tired of the gay and racial agendas.
  They don’t believe anything much they read and see in the media.
  But, many remain so scared of covid 19 spread and infection that they still support their saviour.
  As someone else has already said here, Covid 19 is absolute solid gold for this government and its media enablers.
  National’s opposition strategy- is there one?
  No one round here talking about the National Party- some still have a bit of faith in ACT.
  
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  February 15, 2021 3:51pm
I remember when

Covid-19.
The gift to Labour that just keeps on giving.
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February 15, 2021 1:28pm
john1234

Air NZ work for Saudi will now disappear from the media:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300230566/mfat-approved-exports-for-military-equipment-to-saudi-arabias-forces

For some reason the company involved not being named, unlike AirNZ. I guess they didn’t have a Nat MP as former CEO.

Ardern looking posidively gaunt in the standup.
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February 15, 2021 1:58pm
- Jack5
  
  Golriz Ghahraman, the Green list MP, has been suggesting a war crime may have been committed.
  
  The two parties in the Yemen conflict are proxies for Middle East rivals Saudi Arabia and Iran.
  
  Iranian-born Gharaman is attacking NZ trade with Saudi Arabia.
  
  Can this be regarded as interfering with NZ trade with Saudi Arabia in the interest of Iran?
  
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  February 15, 2021 3:57pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You think a person who came here as a refugee from Iran would be acting to help the Iranian government?
    
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    February 15, 2021 4:09pm
    - Jack5
      
      Which government they were a refugee from would be a factor.
      
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      February 15, 2021 5:11pm
      - Mike
        
        That would be the government of, um, Iran.
        
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        February 15, 2021 6:15pm
      - Jack5
        
        Here we have Milkenmild posting both under that pseudonym and under the “Mike” handle in the same thread.
        
        He’s explained before that the choice of signing on directly or signing on through Patreon, gives him the use of two pseudonyms.
        
        It is of interest which Iranian government Golriz’s family fled from.
        
        Golriz was born in 1981 after the deposal of Mohammad Reza Shah, the last Shah, but her family must have been uncomfortable under the government of the ayatollahs.
        
        I like Golriz, and her family appear to be worthwhile citizens, but the route Wikipedia suggests means it wasn’t too hard for them to flee Iran when Golriz was aged nine.
        
        The course was: holiday in Malaysia; book a flight to Fiji; at a stopover in Auckland, obtain political asylum in New Zealand.
        
        I wonder whether, in its bias against Christian refugees, New Zealand would also welcome people like this who are fleeing Iran:
        
        https://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/christian-flogged-in-iran-pastor-and-wife-forced-to-flee.html
        
        New Zealand’s bias against Christian refugees:
        
        https://nzcatholic.org.nz/2017/03/20/iraqs-christian-refugees-face-double-discrimination/
        
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        February 15, 2021 8:23pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        They weren’t refugees, not by any definition of the term.
        
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        February 15, 2021 11:01pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    A war crime LOL. Golriz wouldn’t know one if she tripped over her own casebook.
    
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    February 15, 2021 4:36pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Hi John, Something does’nt sit right.
  
  In the article,
  “The documents showed that in May 2016, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) approved a permit for military simulation training equipment to be sent to Saudi ground forces. In December that year, sign-off was also given for hand-held computers, radios and range-finding binoculars bound for the Saudi Navy.”
  
  Ask yourself this, NZ doesnt maufacture any of this equipment
  
  Was NZ being used as a “Proxy” ? Back door into Saudi by other Governments. ?
  
  If you believe Air NZ was doing Maintenance on Gas Turbines for Saudi Frigates where a more compatible company ie Rolls Royce Marine, They make them and service them with parts.
  
  I think there is a hell of a lot more to this than News clips.
  
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  February 15, 2021 4:12pm
  - Jack5
    
    Cap’n, there were in New Zealand and apparent still are, merchants or middle men who trade in military needs.
    
    Armies, navies, and air forces need, as well as arms, clothes, food, mundane everyday gear.
    
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    February 15, 2021 5:16pm
  - david
    
    NZ does supply handheld radios for military and law enforcement purposes. Look up Tait Electronics for one.
    
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    February 15, 2021 10:03pm
Tall Man

“Wolf wolf wolf” ……..

Starts to wear thin after a while.
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February 15, 2021 2:00pm
Observer of Life

How are we getting COVID at the border (ie: in MIQ?) when arrivals should have been tested and must be negative before departing from the overseas destination?
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February 15, 2021 2:04pm
- john1234
  
  Good question.
  
  How many have tested positive before departing out of how many tests, I wonder?
  
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  February 15, 2021 6:44pm
Rusty

This current lockdown in Auckland is another over the top reaction from our govt just like the August one was and probably March as well last year.

A spokesman from the WHO (world health org) last year even said lockdowns don’t work and end up causing more problems than the virus itself does.

Thousands of Aucklanders have probably been to the supermarkets today and if you are telling me that isn’t the place for a virus to strife on and infect hundreds of people then why hasn’t it happened yet?
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February 15, 2021 2:49pm
- kowtow
  
  They’ve given us the lockdown , and then fed us with fear over the “virulent’ etc Englander strain…….
  
  ………so far 10 close contacts have not got the ‘tricky’ bug . How virulent is this English mutant if close contacts can’t get it ?
  
  Meanwhile to those calling for closed borders , how the hell do they think we’ll pay off the debt this scamdemic is causing . A promise to deliver our exports at a future date …….
  
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  February 15, 2021 3:59pm
Maggie Pie

Have been going back thru my posts over this last weekend and totaling all the ‘upticks’.
About 7 ‘Golds’ as well 😀

Was just a wee bit disturbed to find there was one nasty comment by the anonymous coward ‘Aliog’ (see UTU? Feb14 @2:51pm), who had the audacity to suggest I was “….vacuous”. It was yet another unwarranted outburst of poorly controlled emotion from someone who appears to only log in with the intent of hurling abuse at yours truly.
I can only assume ‘Aliog’ may have been triggered by something I’ve said in the past perhaps?

Don’t know….maybe ‘Aliog’ is gay. Perhaps a resident of Mt Roskill. Could well be a user of Public Transport. All of the foregoing even?

Whatever it is, ‘Aliog’ certainly fits the profile of KB’s Serial Downticker.
Just saying.
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February 15, 2021 3:01pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  How about adding ‘thin-skinned’ and ‘vain’ to ‘vacuous’ for a more rounded description?
  
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  February 15, 2021 3:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You sound like a frequent user of Public Transport mike 😀
    
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    February 15, 2021 3:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump’s Attorney calls out the media. Throws the mike on the table at the end. Media should be treated like this. The voters have had enough of their slanted bullshit – even here in NZ.
https://rumble.com/vdtw4r-must-watch-trump-attorney-destroys-the-entire-media.html?
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February 15, 2021 3:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It’s only a little date change. It was only a little fraud ……..
  
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  February 15, 2021 3:33pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Steve Otto So you have 4 downticks for this? Really? So that means 4 people think a little bit of fraud is OK. Disgraceful. I guess we all know who they are.
    
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    February 15, 2021 4:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The usual idiots. One even downticks just so he knows he has read it, it is a tool. Such is the lack of level of concentration, I say he is a tool
      
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      February 15, 2021 5:27pm
- lifesgood
  
  Fantastic! He sure stuck it to that stupid bint, didn’t he? And everything he said was true. “You are trying to tell me that it is OK if it is only a little bit of cheating” or words to that effect. The media are a disgrace.
  
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  February 15, 2021 4:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So are the NZ media – and they just got another bribe from Covinda
    
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    February 15, 2021 5:28pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsxypZtsgbs

Constitution 1 Dems 0.

First, Big Tech deleted Donald Trump from internet platforms Then Trump’s impeachment trial was started to take him down once and for all They tried to end his political career They did their level best But the Democrats finally lost and conceded And it’s a victory for Donald Trump. Ha ha.
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February 15, 2021 3:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  2 – 0.
  
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  February 15, 2021 3:54pm
curry4me

https://nypost.com/2021/02/12/cuomos-nursing-home-death-coverup-one-of-nys-worst-scandals-pataki/
Cuomo’s nursing home death coverup one of NY’s worst scandals: Ex-Gov. George Pataki.

Former Gov. George Pataki unloaded on Gov. Andrew Cuomo, calling the COVID-19 nursing home death reporting “cover-up” scandal “one of the worst things I have seen in state government.”
During an interview on AM 570 WMCA radio, Pataki called Cuomo’s nursing home policies and actions “inhumane,” “reprehensible,” “outrageous,” “despicable” and “beyond the pale.” [It’s a shame the price of Cuomos political demise is the demise of so many beloved grand parents.]
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February 15, 2021 3:35pm
Jack5

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somali-born politician who has become a leading critic of Islam, has a new book out, but I doubt you’ll see it mentioned, let alone reviewed, in New Zealand’s State-subsidised (and fittingly Woke) media.

In ”Prey: Immigration, Islam & the Erosion of Women’s Rights,” Hirsi Ali warns of the danger to women by the huge influx of non-European refugees. There million people have arrived illegally in Europe since 2009, close to two million in 2015 alone. Two-thirds of these are male, and four of every five asylum applicants are under the age of 35.

She reports a 17 per cent increase in rapes in France from 2017 to 2018; in Germany, the number of victims of rape and “sexual coercion” rose 41 per cent in 2017; and in Sweden, there was a 12 per cent increase in reported sex offences in 2016.

The book recounts the mass sex attack in Cologne on New Year’s Eve. 2015.

The Wall Street Journal in its review of Hirsi Ali’s book says:

… hundreds of men (mostly newly arrived asylum-seekers of Arab and North African origin) “mobbed together to entrap women” in the area between the city’s central railway station and its storied cathedral. In the following months, 661 women came forward to report themselves as victims of sexual attacks that night. The official response was one of paralysis, as police and prosecutors struggled with the fear of being seen as racist. By the spring of 2019, a mere 52 of the alleged assailants had been indicted, of whom only three were convicted of sex offences.

Hirsi Ali insists Europe must “reinstate the rule of law,” making no compromise in its enforcement of the strictures against sexual misbehaviour.

The Wall Street Journal’s reviewer, Tunku Varadarajan, describes Hirsi Ali’s book as “a courageous and bracing book, even as it makes a reader’s heart sink.”
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February 15, 2021 3:46pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Do you read many book reviews in NZ media, Jack?
  
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  February 15, 2021 4:01pm
  - Jack5
    
    How many is “many,” Milky?
    
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    February 15, 2021 4:34pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That would be 3 selected, so the result would be 2 in his favour
      
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      February 15, 2021 5:29pm
    - Mike
      
      Well, it can’t be many, as the NZ media is not a rich source of book reviews. You might as well ask why the NZ media doesn’t cover ice hockey.
      
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      February 15, 2021 6:11pm
      - Jack5
        
        Mikenmildagain/Mike:
        
        How about sticking to one pseudonym in a thread? (see point about this higher in this thread).
        
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        February 15, 2021 8:30pm
      - Mike
        
        I’m sorry that it’s confusing for you.
        
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        February 15, 2021 8:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Book reviews in the NZ Listener, NZ Herald
        as well as:
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/topics/books
        
        http://books.scoop.co.nz/
        
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/category/books/
        
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        February 15, 2021 9:07pm
      - Jack5
        
        It would be interesting to know whether Milky’s twin pseudonyms – Mikenmild and Mike – allow him to give his targets two down-ticks.
        
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        February 15, 2021 10:09pm
rangitoto

Just pour it down this pipe.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/contractors-accidentally-pour-2000-tonnes-of-cement-like-grout-into-auckland-water-main/SURUDLSTLBJU7BDNL4XWMEY52U/
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February 15, 2021 4:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Similar on the Shore. Grout was pumped and made the motorway sort of get a hard on near Tawa drive offramp. I saw it being coned off. Never heard who was responsible for the fuckup
  
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  February 15, 2021 5:34pm
Maggie Pie

You can tell by the sound of the callers to MagicTalk who say, “……they’ve lost their job today thanks to Covid”, that their employer would have been waiting for just this opportunity.

LOL!!
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February 15, 2021 4:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have to fill in a stupid form and sign it, every day – because I refuse to let the socialists know where I am.
  Oh, my cellphone is switched off at 7 am, and back on after 6.30pm. Fuck them.
  Actually I might switch it off for 4 days
  
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  February 15, 2021 5:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I am referring to the QR code scan of course. Amazing how many do run to it when they see it. All unproductive time ffs
    
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    February 15, 2021 5:48pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Went out to dinner last night for Valentines.
      Actually thought of you Steve when I opened my card…..
      
      ROSES ARE RED
      VIOLETS ARE BLUE
      DON’T CONFUSE THE
      KY
      FOR THE GORILLA GLUE
      
      😛
      
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      February 15, 2021 6:07pm
      - Doc Holliday
        
        Sounds like a stitch-up to me.
        
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        February 15, 2021 6:57pm
Mrs_Right

Anyone else think this latest lockdown is to lube people up for the vaccine?
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February 15, 2021 5:44pm
- Mike
  
  Just how are you expecting the vaccine to be administered?
  
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  February 15, 2021 6:13pm
Fletch

So satisfying to watch. Especially Obama getting bitchslapped by Trump ?

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/672/299/original/51669aa6863eb845.mp4
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February 15, 2021 7:11pm
70andstilllearning

So fmd – PM & Comm Costa have told Mr & Ms Plod to move the northern barricades back to the legal boundary!
Good call Peter L.
And Mrs_R – funny how this one at an early stage seems to following the same pattern for the Northland Scare except for an L3 of course- which seemed to be so coincidental with the App push – just saying.
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