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redeye

Summers were never this cold under John Key. Just sayin.
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February 11, 2021 9:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Coldest weather in a decade has arrived in Europe.
  https://edition.cnn.com/videos/weather/2021/02/09/weather-europe-cold-snow.cnn
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:08am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Pretty cold in the US too.
    https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/ab-31_metric_e.html
    I have actually been to this place in mid April…sun warm…..
    
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    February 11, 2021 9:31am
    - JerJer
      
      Bad year for fruit and tomato crops in this part of the country too. Too cold……So, it’s colder here, colder in Europe and colder in the United States. But, it’s getting hotter at the same time.
      
      Nasa says that the sun is starting to go through a cooling period, after going through a period of being hotter than nornal and during that hotter period the earth was also hotter.
      
      It can’t be.
      
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      February 11, 2021 10:50am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Many actual scientists have predicted we are entering a long term cooling phase based on solar history, spots and minima. Those who have their heads in the Green umbra have missed the likelihood of that.
        
        The global warming may be an irrelevancy, like the Chinese investigating the Wuhan Lab on behalf of their WHO satellite.
        
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        February 11, 2021 12:39pm
  - Justitia
    
    The Grand Solar Minimum is beginning to make its presence felt: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23328940.2020.1796243
    
    The Minimum will be with us for at least another 30 years. It will become even colder yet. Freezing temperatures are predicted to seriously impact food production. The possibility of widespread famine looms if we do not begin to plan now.
    
    Meanwhile “Aotearoa” will be destocking its farms and sealing off its gas pipes thanks to the ideologues on the Climate Commission. A recipe for disaster.
    
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    February 11, 2021 12:30pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Im picking a blastery winter with plenty of unsettled weather, Mildish with the occasional S’lys coming through.
      La Nina will keep Westerlies further South than Normal but will result in a lot of unsettled wx. More Nth Island and plenty of rain. Definately no droought in Nth Island but plenty flash floods.etc
      
      Wly’s normally kick in near equinoxes but will be delayed to later.
      Heard it from me first.
      Simple meteorology and physics.
      Dont you just love it
      
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      February 11, 2021 1:39pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  That’s the trouble with these doomsayers, I’m not sure whether the planet is getting hotter or colder.
  What do I wear for the “end of the world” …………
  warm clothes or cool clothes?
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:09am
  - amospicton
    
    Which is why they changed from ‘global warming’ to ‘climate change’. Since the climate’s always changing the facts cannot destroy the narrative.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:32am
    - Unity
      
      Yes, but they talk about Climate Change meaning the humans are doing it and lumping pollution into it, when in fact the climate has always changed and always will and has done so long before the industrial revolution. We could be so clever as to change the climate!! It’s to do with the solar system.
      
      Having said that we should certainly change our behaviour with regard to pollution of our rivers, sea etc but that has nothing to do with the changing climate.
      
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      February 11, 2021 11:51am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The farmers have been working hard against pollution for years. They know the practical benefits.
        The real pollutants come from the mouths of the Green and Maori activists seeking to enlarge control over water rights.
        
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        February 11, 2021 12:43pm
    - Juliet2554
      
      so true
      
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      February 11, 2021 4:01pm
  - The Housekeeper
    
    No need for clothes Bobba, only the cream will be clothed. Bill and Melinda will have gifted the rest of us a Mylar blanket with their latest compulsory vaccine and we will be happy.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:49am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    Try layers – can’t go wtong and you will at least be fashionable.
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:36am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I did that – now I have eggs everywhere. Thanks a lot!
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:51pm
  - edhunter
    
    Walk Socks and Roman Sandals.
    
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    February 11, 2021 1:03pm
  - Justitia
    
    “Some say the world will end in fire,
    Some say in ice.
    From what I’ve tasted of desire
    I hold with those who favor fire.
    But if it had to perish twice,
    I think I know enough of hate
    To say that for destruction ice
    Is also great
    And would suffice.”
    
    Robert Frost. Seems apt.
    
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    February 11, 2021 3:39pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Go natural, But wear a Tie.
    
    its all about the Tie
    
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    February 11, 2021 4:09pm
- marcw
  
  Great photo from the Telegraph – sunrise on Wednesday morning at Stonehenge, Wiltshire. Britains warned of an overnight ‘extreme freeze’ as temps could fall further than Tuesday’s 10 year low.
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2021/02/10/TELEMMGLPICT000250664382_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqKYmB98HZXF6i9bLiBqfC-XAXYzEh2g2wWMyzvApJ6pE.jpeg?imwidth=1400
  
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  February 11, 2021 5:29pm
Clyde

What is the general consensus of wearing hats – including a cowboy hat – in and around Parliament? No BS about it being “cultural” because it isn’t. Acceptable or not?
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February 11, 2021 9:02am
- alex Masterley
  
  Gentlemen dont wear hats inside.
  But then again I wouldn’t call Mr Waititi a gentleman.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:10am
  - Tall Man
    
    Many years ago one of my kids did a primary school visit with his class to a Porirua school and on the bus they were told that wearing their caps inside was “culturally insensitive” so were to put them in their school bags until break time.
    
    However, when they walked into the classroom the vast majority of the local kids were wearing caps and to top it off, come break time, a large number of our kids caps were gone along with their lunches.
    
    I think wearing a hat inside is impolite but so is most of what the current maori party do and the crap starts at the top.
    
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    February 11, 2021 9:21am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “…a primary school visit with his class to a Porirua school”.
      
      That was the first mistake.
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:52pm
  - Nickc2
    
    It’s thumbing your nose without thumbing your nose. In short, it’s an insult to those in authority and if that thicko Mallard can’t see that, it’s another indicator that he’s unfit for the job and must go.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:29am
- mandk
  
  You can’t go into a bank, or even a Cossie Club, wearing a hat, so why is it acceptable in Parliament?
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:11am
  - Nickc2
    
    Wearing a hat into an RSA is rather expensive – SHOUT THE BAR!
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:30am
    - lifesgood
      
      And the same in a golf club.
      
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      February 11, 2021 2:36pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        and my yacht club…
        
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        February 11, 2021 3:58pm
- john1234
  
  It’s blatant cultural appropriation.
  
  As appropriate as showing up with an American Indian’s feathered headdress.
  
  Major no-no for a white middle class person – practically a lynching offence. But it’s OK when the left/indigenous/minority do it.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:14am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What is that guy’s tribal status? He doesn’t present as a person of high status.
    
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    February 11, 2021 12:45pm
- crikey
  
  A Maori wearing a cowboy hat in parliament! Oh the irony, the cultural misappropriation – the hypocrisy.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:16am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed; the irony of the cowboys slaughtering thousands of native, indigenous Americans, and a Maori MP celebrating their culture by wearing one of their hats whilst banging on about colonisation!
    
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    February 11, 2021 9:24am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Yeah, but it looks cool, aye…
      
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      February 11, 2021 9:34am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        No.
        
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        February 11, 2021 12:54pm
    - oldfella
      
      Tony, I can’t wait for summer to see the Maori mad-hatter turn up in an Hawaiian shirt. Why not? Slippery slope, anyone?
      
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      February 11, 2021 10:09am
      - Flossie
        
        Ummmm…isn’t THIS summer now??
        
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        February 11, 2021 11:55am
    - Unity
      
      He’s an utter hypocrite and just thumbing his nose at convention just for effect. He should be put in his place and told how bad mannered it is to wear a hat inside – not that he would care one jot. He’s there to make scene after scene, probably because his thought processes don’t work very well when it comes to expressing himself for what he was elected(?) to do.
      
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      February 11, 2021 11:56am
      - David Garrett
        
        Unity: the issue of hat wearing in parliament was raised some years ago regarding Dover Samuels’ habit of wearing one despite the very long standing convention that men dont wear hats inside. Just for Dover, Standing Orders were amended so that hats are now permitted to be worn in the House. Therefore the man with the face scribble is in fact in compliance with Standing Orders
        
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        February 11, 2021 2:13pm
      - Nickc2
        
        David Garrett @2:13PM
        David, if the speaker of the house wasn’t humming the Labour Govt’s hymn sheet (give Maori everything they want) in the back of his head permanently, he would change the rules about wearing hats in Parliament. He changed to rules quick enough to enable the cessation of wearing Neck Ties because a Maori MP took the piss out of the mandated requirement.
        IMO, Mallard is well past his use-by date and must go!
        
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        February 11, 2021 2:43pm
  - cmm
    
    Which cultural appropriation are you talking about?
    
    The hat or parliament?
    
    Neither are culturally appropriate for Maori and both are appropriation.
    
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    February 11, 2021 9:54am
- Gravelroad
  
  It used to be considered “good manners” to remove a hat when indoors – especially someone else’s indoors.
  But good manners are subjective and don’t count for much any more.
  I don’t care about this guy wearing a hat – probably it will turn out to be his major “look at me” accomplishment.
  Also, if he is made to take it off, then everyone else will have to remove hat-like head coverings.
  Any hijab wearers in Parliament?
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:17am
  - kevn
    
    @Gravel… I see Special (not) K has taken to hats as well. Fedora/Akubra. Must be a new maori ‘thing’. Even the women are into it.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:25am
    - Ruawai
      
      Makes them feel powerful.
      
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      February 11, 2021 11:31am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Dover Samuels started it, I believe.
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:55pm
      - Nickc2
        
        And carried on with by the Maori Prince of the North.
        What was his name again? Oh, thats right, Shane Jones. How quickly we forget insignificant personages with baggage.
        
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        February 11, 2021 1:08pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Nick: No, Shane Jones never wore a hat in the House, at least not in my time.
        
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        February 11, 2021 2:15pm
      - Nickc2
        
        David Garrett @ 2:15PM
        Sorry David, I hit the Report button by mistake.
        Anyhow, I feel Shane Jones and Ron Mark would have worn hats in Parliament if they had known it was legal to do so.
        
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        February 11, 2021 2:50pm
- JackRabbit
  
  With the Woke Left slowly taking over parliament and turning it into a circus, discarding ties, and wearing a hat, fits nicely for those that play the part of clowns.
  
  And I’m sure the over developed animus in Herr Ardern will be itching to turn up in Jodhpurs and carrying a whip.
  
  The circus would be complete if Robertson arrived in a colourful Elton John ensemble, and Menéndez March dressed as a donkey.
  
  Justice and commonsense are being dismantled and replaced by Marxist theatrics.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:48am
  - Nickc2
    
    [Deleted – not acceptable. Mod.]
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:43am
- herb1
  
  Im surprised the media haven’t attacked him ferociously , for cultural misappropriation, as they’re want to do with certain fashion designers.
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:02am
- Fletch
  
  Just typical, really. Abandoning a longstanding rule because a Maori doesn’t like it and kicks up a stink about it. I’d like to see anyone else do that when starting a new job. They’d be shown the door..
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:28am
Maggy Wassilieff

The Greens inform us that Mr Menéndez March didn’t get any special treatment…
but somehow Miracles happen and a space in MIQ opened for Him and his partner in January, just as he was wanted to leave Mexico.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018783089/ricardo-menendez-march-explains-trip-overseas
(Listen at the 4min mark)

Other folks who applied in January for a MIQ space have to wait until June….Miracles are turned off for them.
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February 11, 2021 9:06am
- Frank the tank
  
  All animals are equal, some are just more equal than others
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:12am
  - curry4me
    
    Feank the tank: I hope ACT use this and other incidents to turn up the heat on the ‘Greens’. They should make him the ‘Greens’ poster boy.
    
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    February 11, 2021 2:27pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Maybe the Greens have become the opiate of the people…
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:12am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  How this oxygen thief ever got NZ residency is a mystery to me.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:12am
  - Swifty
    
    No qualifications, no skills, no experience, no cash and dropped out of his studies.
    
    I thought we had a points system?
    
    It beats me.
    
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    February 11, 2021 9:33am
    - Nickc2
      
      Speaking of people rorting the system, whatever happened to that kickboxing drug dealer with a false passport? Is he still in jail or has someone with influence spoken for him and he is now free to roam NZ?
      
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      February 11, 2021 10:52am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        He will probably be a Greens list MP at the next election
        
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        February 11, 2021 12:18pm
      - Paulus
        
        Thought I heard recently that he is free to roam.
        
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        February 11, 2021 2:30pm
      - Juliet2554
        
        ask Jacinda.
        
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        February 11, 2021 4:04pm
    - Swifty
      
      *by his own admission.
      
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      February 11, 2021 11:06am
    - Jack5
      
      I think the answer the question of Captain Mainwaring and Swifty is that he came to New Zealand under the students’ residency rort run by educationists.
      
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      February 11, 2021 10:08pm
  - Nickc2
    
    He probably knows the same people as Golly G. Just saying.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:48am
- Ruawai
  
  Wonder if he went back to Mexico to bring his non resident partner back, I thought it was quite hard to get to NZ now without being a resident.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:14am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    It’s possible but you must have an NZ resident/citizen with you to get in (i.e. if he hadn’t gone home his partner would not have been allowed in).
    
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    February 11, 2021 9:48am
    - Ruawai
      
      This is the true reason for his visit to Mexico, to bring back his special friend.
      
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      February 11, 2021 11:33am
  - burt
    
    Maybe his partner has convictions for importing class A drugs so he’ll get citisenship quite quickly.
    
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    February 11, 2021 9:51am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    If he has brought back his partner, the media should be highlighting this but they wont. I haven’t heard anything about him bringing a partner back in the media.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:31am
    - Batman
      
      Seems like a made up aspect then, huh?
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:28pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No, it is not made up..
        Listen to the RNZ link I provided.
        
        or if that is beyond you..get someone to read this to you…
        “I managed to secure a spot on Feb 1, and both my partner and I were able to return to New Zealand and safely quarantine. We are now coming to the end of our time in quarantine, but as a precautionary measure, we will self isolate at home in Auckland for an additional five days before I return to Parliament.”
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/green-party-mp-ricardo-menendez-march-explains-his-travel-to-mexico/JAVFLUHKSQ5E75LAE5MFEFPEOY/
        
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        February 11, 2021 1:24pm
      - Bobba Fret
        
        No not at all. As Maggy below has provided the link.
        Thanks Maggy.
        
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        February 11, 2021 1:32pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Further to what Maggy wrote, it’s also worth pointing out he got his partner a Visa as well (back in June last year I think).
        
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        February 11, 2021 4:46pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Judith mentioned it on The Country.
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:39pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I’m calling BS!!
  
  https://youtu.be/6uqPBZncL5Q
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:18am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Touche Maggie.
    Actually, back in the ’60’s that was one of my favorite pieces of music.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:53am
- Maxx
  
  I’m looking forward to the numerous OIA requests that are surely being drafted and submitted. Something about the lie that gets you. Not that this narsacisst would understand to that. Everyone is out to get him.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:20am
  - sooty
    
    He is just the unluckiest man around!
    Don’t stand next to him.
    
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    February 11, 2021 9:41am
- Ruawai
  
  And there was space for 2 of them is even harder to secure.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:20am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Surely it was only one room, so that’s a red herring.
    
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    February 11, 2021 9:51am
    - Tall Man
      
      Then why is the charge per person not poer room?
      
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      February 11, 2021 10:10am
      - Flossie
        
        Food? Hot water? Covid tests? Two can’t live quite as cheaply as one but isn’t there a reduced rate for couples
        
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        February 11, 2021 12:02pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Also, getting a visa for the boyfriend and getting to bring him back? That’s not easy.
  Also, the boyfriend isn’t allowed to come in without a New Zealand resident being with him which may be the real reason he went home (to pick up the boyfriend).
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:21am
  - Swifty
    
    New Zealand boys not good enough for him?
    
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    February 11, 2021 9:48am
  - cmm
    
    Sexual emergency. That explains everything.
    
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    February 11, 2021 9:55am
  - Juliet2554
    
    exactly why he went home to Mexico
    
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    February 11, 2021 4:05pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I wonder if Mr Menéndez March is familiar with the great statement from President Ronald Reagan that says “When you’re explaining, you’re losing”.
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:02am
  - Ruawai
    
    And to quote Jacinda “This doesn’t pass the sniff test”
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:36am
    - Maxx
      
      Did you really want to sniff that?
      
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      February 11, 2021 2:46pm
  - pdm
    
    Inv not sure he is that clever.
    
    Manipulative yes – clever not so much.
    
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    February 11, 2021 12:45pm
- Liberty
  
  Once upon a time. Not long ago. National had a new MP full of entitlement.
  Gone by lunchtime.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:10am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes but John Key actually got things done and had principals. Jacinda likes to say the right things but not do them. eg. she has set the bar very high.
    
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    February 11, 2021 1:34pm
    - Maxx
      
      And it seems that there is a core element of the Green Party that like him – that would be the element of the party that never concerns themselves with accountability or action, and seems to thrive with the “burn it down” mentality
      
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      February 11, 2021 2:47pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Read through Newshub report released by him.
  This raises far more questions than answers,
  1. returning home, Well if a MP dont you think you would call NZ home not mexico.
  2. Step mother ill . Not Immediate family, Whats criteria for “family” in MIQ , MBIE.
  3. The emergency was over once he arrived in Mexico,
  4. No immediate emergency to get home.
  5. How he obtained a visitor visa for “boy frient” in June.
  6.How come they both get MIQ voucher when fully booked at short notice.
  7. Who is looking after step mother now his Boyfriend is not caring for them.
  8How come non NZ can travel here under partnership during COvid.
  
  As for me, Still of the coast of Myanmar and no chance of getting a MIQ voucher and returning to my Immediate family at home.
  
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  February 11, 2021 12:41pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s not unreasonable for people in public office to have preference on some matters. Their duties affect others.
  
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  February 11, 2021 12:47pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Aw, come on Kev, are you trying to tell us an unelected List MP with no aspect of any portfolio is an important person in Public Office?
    Methinks you are having a lend here mate.
    
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    February 11, 2021 12:59pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I’m not defending his politics but his basic rights to travel within the law. He does have a higher position than most as an MP and will be expected to vote when in the house. I don’t see it as unreasonable to help him get back.
      
      Our MP’s are treated a bit brutishly (even I open the barrels for incompetence) but they are at the public’s beck and call and I class them as the highest paid social workers in NZ. Even list MP’s get the public chasing them around relentlessly for help.
      Perhaps I’m not woke.
      
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      February 11, 2021 2:32pm
      - Nickc2
        
        You put up a good argument Kev but I don’t buy it. I see List MPs as Unelectable Swill, regardless of party represented. That’s MMP though and I don’t buy that either.
        
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        February 11, 2021 2:57pm
  - Yabster
    
    b/s- enough said ffs –
    
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    February 11, 2021 1:10pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  On that note, how many KBers, or indeed anyone, has checked into a 4- or 5-star hotel for a 2-week stay and been told “No, don’t pay anything now, we’ll send you an invoice”?
  
  This incredibly dead-set useless gummint has decided that rather than people paying in advance, or at the very latest on arrival, they’d merely send out invoices and everyone would pay!
  
  In what must have come as an incredible surprise to these intellectual giants, fewer than 2,000 of the 7,273 invoices had to date been paid, and 494 invoices are overdue by more than 3 months.
  
  You couldn’t make this up.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300227028/invoices-worth-23m-sent-to-miq-guests
  
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  February 11, 2021 1:09pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Good one! I doubt anyone has bothered to see if any of these free-loaders have outstanding Student Loans. Of course not, that would be too grown up and not at all kind. Geez, we are stupid!
    
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    February 11, 2021 1:15pm
  - theoldbloke
    
    The MBIE are incompetent, may explain all the overdues.
    On arrival on 7th October I filled in a declaration I would staying home more than 90 days.
    28 days after I was let out I got sn invoice. Pay within 90 days. 11th Feb.
    
    I emailed saying i filled out the form and therefore was exempt. Got a standard reply. Fill out effing form again!!
    
    In mid Janery I got a reminder invoice.
    I replied saying my 90 days was up on 5th January hello I am still here please credit.
    Fill in the form was stern reply.
    On tuesday I sent in the effing form email…
    Today I get another form letter saying. It appears you qualify for no charge.!!! No shit sherlock.
    They advise it will be a few days for the credit which they will post!!!!!!!
    
    I am sure I will be on their unpaid/overdue list.
    
    All in all I am totally unimpressed with the covid systems(I only have 30 years experience designing and implementing business systems.
    An effing 16 year old could have whipped up a better system over a weekend.
    But then I guess he wouldnt have had interference from wallies in Government insisting on inserting stupidity.
    Yes I have delt with Government bods designing systems. They are generally designed by useless committees who dont have an effing clue.
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:41am
I remember when

Nearly froze at an outdoors function on Saturday night.
Can’t wait to see it has been the hottest year ever.
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February 11, 2021 9:08am
- Batman
  
  Weather is not climate.
  
  No wonder a certain clique of people can’t understand climate science…
  
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  February 11, 2021 12:29pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    And Batman is not real.
    
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    February 11, 2021 6:04pm
  - Liberty
    
    “Weather is not climate.”
    Only in the minds of pedantic warmists.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:03pm
Yvette

National remembrance service to be held in Christchurch to mark terror attacks anniversary
– RNZ headline
The national remembrance service, Ko Tatou, Tatou We Are One will be held at Christchurch Arena starting at 3pm.

What is Ko Tatou, Tatou We Are One in Arabic, or is that not terribly important?
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February 11, 2021 9:09am
- Sofia
  
  Stuff reports –
  
  The Muslim Association of Canterbury (MAC) severed ties with the national body the Federation of Islamic Associations of NZ (Fianz) at an annual general meeting (AGM) on January 24, when many members also say it made “unconstitutional” changes to how it runs.
  
  – but gives no explanation for their no longer being one.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:33am
  - cmm
    
    It a big fight over who gets to control the big cookie jar of post-Tarrant Koha.
    
    Being able to dole out grants with little or no paperwork is something desirable and gives a lot of clout. Both MAC and FIANZ want that. No wonder there’s a fight.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:01am
    - Swifty
      
      I wouldn’t bet against it.
      
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      February 11, 2021 10:23am
- sooty
  
  Who got all the free food from the last one?
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:42am
- Inandout
  
  Yvette, why wasn’t this rememberance day ‘Mondayised’?
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Why is there to be a remembrance service?
  The Government was told clearly last year that Muslims do not undertake these types of remembrance practices.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/muslims-dont-want-march-15-memorial-service-we-want-to-move-on/MIIUWMPERYAPKTMI447H6RTCLU/
  
  How disrespectful is it of our Government to impose these remembrance services upon the victims’ families and Muslim community?
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:19am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We don’t want a Mar 15 holiday either. This is not ancient Rome.
    
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    February 11, 2021 12:49pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Are all Muslims arabic, or arabic-speaking?
  
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  February 11, 2021 1:10pm
  - Nickc2
    
    No, I know personally of a couple who have adopted the Muslim religion and they are both born and bred Kiwis who don’t speak any Arabic whatsoever.
    
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    February 11, 2021 1:19pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    No, Most wouldnt have a clue.
    
    But Call to prayer is always in Arabaic.
    
    That why “madrassas” are all sponsered By Saudi and there Ilk to learn the Koran and prayers in “mostly” Arabaic.
    Then strap a vest on them and send on there merry way. great re education camps these are.
    
    Coming to an outpost near you.
    
    Not too mention the Halal certification money as well.
    
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    February 11, 2021 5:14pm
- Liberty
  
  Dear Leader Still milking a tragedy.
  Time to move on
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:06pm
Philview

I had a read of the Politik article on the RMA this morning. The article says that the proposed RMA changes will reference the Maori version of the Treaty of Waitangi that gives Iwi sovereignty. These proposed RMA changes already detail an ideological transfer of power away from the regions to Central Government and Iwi. The Government are talking up the housing crisis but their RMA changes are really about a different agenda.
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February 11, 2021 9:09am
- Dougal10
  
  No surprises there with parker in charge say one thing do another .
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:44am
  - Hard Cheese
    
    Whenever anyone mentions Parker I immediately think of the wooden-headed puppet from the Thunderbirds. They don’t look too dissimilar either.
    
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    February 11, 2021 1:18pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  Can you have two “sovereigns”? Can you sign up to the sovereignty of the Queen of the parliament and yet retain your own sovereignty or that of your iwi or tribe?
  
  I do not understand how the Maori version of the Treaty works because there seems to be a basic contradiction. Maori wanted the protection of the sovereign – they requested it – and signed up for it but now they are saying we want our own sovereignty. Honour the treaty…. but which part?
  
  Someone sort me out please?
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:02am
  - oldfella
    
    Tomtoddy, this is from Stuffed this morning. It’s full of Maori words and terms which made my eyes glaze over, but I was intrigued by the comment that “all Maori signed the Maori version because it was in te reo”. That was in 1840.
    Really? How many Maori could even read te reo back then as the written form didn’t exist till Europeans created it. And it was still very much a work in progress at the time the treaty was signed.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300226017/what-te-tiriti-means-for-2021–and-why-its-more-important-than-ever
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:34am
    - Bob
      
      “all Maori signed the Maori version because it was in te reo”….
      mere insignificant factual detail; it is the AGENDA that is important.
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:02pm
    - Yabster
      
      that young twit is and absoulte radical – he writes b/s ever time.
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:40pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Silly me,
      I always thought they where told to play naughts and crosses on the paper.
      
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      February 11, 2021 1:47pm
  - Harlequin
    
    And while we’re at it, can someone tell me where the word aotearoa appears in the treaty and if it doesn’t why not?
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:21am
    - Bob
      
      probably an oversight on the part of Capt Hobson!
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:03pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Exactly, the term used in the Te Reo version was Nu Tirani. = New Zealand.
      This was the translation from Hobson’s word by missionary Henry Williams, who was quite aware of the language, its nuances, having been living and preaching amongst Maori.
      These are the words for New Zealand, in Maori, used and carried across the country and different tribal rohe…..
      Early writings/records on Maori enounters called them New Zealanders, although the Maori came up with Tangata Moari (normal people) as a word for themselves AFTER their experience of Pakeha require a differential beyond tribal identity only. Similarily, a collective name for seperate islands, or even a concept of nationhood or larger national identity; didn’t exist.
      
      Kind of funny that it is probably Pakeha in the 21t century who are pushing the myth onto modern Maori that Aotearoa was a Maori word for the collective NZ landmass.
      LOLZ.
      Never let facts get in the way of a good story.
      
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      February 11, 2021 4:47pm
  - Than
    
    That’s just a fundamental problem with the Treaty of Waitangi – it’s pretty clear that both sides had very different ideas about what was being agreed to.
    
    Part of the issue is in the translation. Two key Maori language terms used were kāwanatanga (governorship) and rangatiratanga (chieftainship). Both were relatively new additions to the Maori language, and were not well defined. Exactly what rights and authority kawanatanga and rangatiratanga had, and which was the higher authority, would have been unclear.
    
    But even leaving aside this wrinkle, the English language version of the text differs from the Maori version. The Maori version says the chiefs would retain their rangatiratanga (chieftanship, however that is defined). The English language version merely says the chiefs would retain all their land and possessions; there is no mention of the chiefs retaining any form of authority (whether subordinate to the Crown or otherwise).
    
    Some people claim the principle of Contra proferentem means that we should ignore the English version of the treaty and treat the Maori version as valid. But the problem with this argument is that it doesn’t solve the issue of the key terms kāwanatanga and rangatiratanga being extremely ambiguous. And there is a principle in contract law that when contracts are ambiguous enough to be interpreted in multiple ways, they become unenforceable. To my view that applies here.
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:54am
  - Unity
    
    The Maori version is the only one that counts. Maori gave up their sovereignty so as to come under Queen Victoria’s umbrella and guaranteed the same rights as everyone else. Can anyone imagine two different sovereignties in a country. It would be impossible. Maori also confirmed they understood that Queen Victoria was the sovereign of our country at the Kohimarama Conference 20 years later when many chiefs individually stood up and re-confirmed their allegiance to her. Anything else is made up history and should be utterly discounted.
    
    If you want to know what the Maori version says you just need to read the final English draft dated a day later than the earlier English draft (wrongly) in legislation. It has been hidden in the Archives. The earlier draft in legislation mentions Forests and Fisheries and omits “and all New Zealanders” whereas the final English draft omits Forests and Fisheries but mentions ‘and all New Zealanders.
    
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    February 11, 2021 12:03pm
- kowtow
  
  Never let a crisis go to waste.
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:20am
- KevO'Brien
  
  There cannot be two different versions of the Treaty with equal legal validity. If any part doesn’t agree it has to be treated as a nullity.
  
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  February 11, 2021 12:51pm
Maggie Pie

SHORT TIES!
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February 11, 2021 9:11am
- gravedodger
  
  Close Ties more accurately?
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:14am
- pdm
  
  Never ever trust anyone who uses their shoelaces as a neck tie.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:48am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Or a blindfold…
    
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    February 11, 2021 1:19pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Ha Ha. Skating on thin ice there Lodden.
      
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      February 11, 2021 1:32pm
- burt
  
  Ties are an outdated status symbol that have no place in todays society. Green stone Tiki on the other hand, they are a status symbol that is relevant and worthy of respect.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:53am
  - oldfella
    
    Yep, burt, a greenstone tiki is a stone age symbol of status.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:35am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Commonly sold to tourists.
    
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    February 11, 2021 12:52pm
lastmanstanding

The rise and rise of the Asian population may lead in time to the formation of ethnic political parties that may get enough votes to hold seats in the House and be required to form a Government.
This may lead to the a curtailment of the ever increasing demands of the Special People and their supporters as Asian parties have bigger fish to fry for their people.
It may also lead to a rolling back of the Special Peoples influence as these parties and their supporters reject the current ideology around the Special People.
In addition The Treaty signing is becoming more of a history now nearly two centuries ago.
Asian people and their Parties may decide to look to the future not to the past where the facts are disputed and the relevance is diminishing.
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February 11, 2021 9:13am
- Maxx
  
  Would it be equally accepted to have a Caucasian party as an Asian party?
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:16am
  - Swifty
    
    What NZ sorely needs is a “Pull Yourself Together” Party.
    
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    February 11, 2021 9:35am
    - rockape
      
      I am almost looking forward to the CCP ruling NZ.
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:33pm
- Tall Man
  
  Look to Fiji to see how that gets dealt with.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:34am
lilman

So rules no longer matter.
Maori feel that rules for ties are no longer to be observed as its not their culture.

Ok, I shall never be quiet for a sexist culture whilst they are doing welcomes or Karakia, my European culture says women go first,you stand for women and they will not be at the back for entrance on to Marae.

What a load of shit we are allowing.
People I know ,who are the very description of tolerance are just over it.
My Brother who is married to a local Maori girl,worked his whole life for the local Iwi is just disgusted at the attitude that his organisation has for the wider community,
In his own words”they do nothing without a payout”.
He will finish working for them on the last day of May this year, 43 years.He is simply over the expectant culture and his children are thankfully overseas as they wont be tarnished with the new Maori way as one Elder calls it.
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February 11, 2021 9:14am
- graham
  
  As I wrote yesterday, if Rawiri Waititi in refusing to wear a tie feels it is “not about ties, it is about cultural identity”, and further stated that he would “never bow my head to Pākehā power. I will never surrender my culture.” …
  
  … then why should non-Maori be expected to “bow their heads to Maori power and surrender their culture”??
  
  As I understand it, karakia are Maori incantations and prayers, used to invoke spiritual guidance and protection and to ensure a favourable outcome to important events and undertakings such as tangihanga (the ritual of farewell to our deceased), hui (meetings), and so on.
  
  I think it is now perfectly reasonable for ANYBODY who is uncomfortable with any aspect of this to refuse to participate in any way with karakia. Christians and atheists alike could well consider that having to participate in a karakia is akin to “bowing our heads to Maori power”.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:00am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    All Maori prayer to their deities should be outlawed in public places without the consent of all present.
    
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    February 11, 2021 12:54pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Good luck with that!
      
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      February 11, 2021 1:05pm
jon

Now Sean Plunket has been dealt to on Magic/WOKE Radio will Peter Williams be the next host to go??
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February 11, 2021 9:14am
- pdm
  
  I don’t think so – Williams is not as abrasive and confrontational as Plunket was.
  
  Still a shame Plunket was shafted.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:33am
  - Ruawai
    
    Someone needs to start a radio station that doesn’t bow down to social media and employ Plunket, Banks, Bridges and Williams, they are all entertaining, humorous and encourage robust debate.
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:41am
- Tall Man
  
  Probably not. Peter is well liked, even by those who dislike his beliefs, but Sean was an easy target. He upset everyone at some stage with his belligerence and inability to debate at times.
  
  However, compared to his replacements as offered so far he is like a lighthouse compared to an led bulb on a switch.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:36am
  - Inandout
    
    TM, Sean was like an open book with his faults, depression, loss of dog, loss of partners, continual smoking etc. Loose canon would be an apt description, but his hatred of Trump should have saved his skin; but alas he appears another usefull fool.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:05am
  - Tall Man
    
    Pretty sure his contract will be paid in full.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:08am
  - kowtow
    
    Not so sure. One of the few raising any concerns , and fair play to C Trotter , someone linked to him on this yesterday , but karl Du Fresne is right on the the button with this ,he’s made a couple of posts , all important .
    
    “The self-anointed arbiters of what’s permissible on air, such as Duncan Greive of The Spinoff and Hayden Donnell of RNZ’s Mediawatch – both of whom are dancing, metaphorically speaking, on Banks’ grave – now assert the right to decide what line talkback hosts should take. Whatever this is, it’s not free speech.
    
    Attacks on freedom of expression are coming from multiple directions:……”
    
    http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2021/02/on-magic-talk-and-maori-wards.html
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:39am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Add one David Farrier (not Farrar) to the list of self-appointed arbiters. Farrier was celebrating Plunket’s departure yesterday.
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:27pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Well “Tickle Me” FFS.
        
        Credibility severely lacking with that one.
        
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        February 11, 2021 1:15pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      Hayden Donnell Folk Band performer/ now journalist, and David Farrier Film Director/journalist.
      NZ’s leading commentators aren’t exactly a representative group. Both are people who didn’t make a full time job out of the arts and now have their opinions elevated to top journalists commentators in our nationally funded media. How many of our jounralist/commentators have dual careers as business person, entrepreneur, a tradie, a truck driver, a programmer, a builder, a farmer, or a retired person. Two people who work in the arts is quite a niche opinion base.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/98806566/the-questionnaire-hayden-donnell
      
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      February 11, 2021 1:27pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        I see Karl Du Fresne’s other article is about a man who was approached by Police and told to cover his digger because they had received complaints that the message on it was racist. The message said All Lives Matter. Equal rights for Kiwi Whites.
        My questions are:
        Question 1: If is illegal and must be covered why is stuff allowed to put the image of the digger and the full message in it’s article. Is the message banned or not?
        Furthermore Stuff isn’t just repeating the message it’s profiting off the message and racial division and being deliberately provocative with a much wider reach than digger man.
        Question 2. If they police are now visiting people with racially provocative messages, then what about “Black Power” or the Nazi Swastikas worn by Mongrel Mob. Are the police going to pay them a visit.
        
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        February 11, 2021 2:57pm
- rockape
  
  I just hope he has loss of income insurance.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:51am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I’m sure he negotiated a significant severance package for leaving quietly. . When I first heard at the weekend that Mediaworks didn’t want him back but Plunket insisted he was still employed, my first thought was that lawyers would be rubbing their hands together at the prospect of a long and bitter legal proceeding!
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:07am
- Happychappy
  
  Well that’s what happens when you have a corrupt Government investing $50 million in your business they get the majority of say when the decision is made.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:54am
- Inandout
  
  jon, talkback will descend into a sort of Marcus Lush area where the only person permitted to be pilloried is Trump. He is so insipid and Jacinda worshipping I can understand how he has very few callers. Don’t know who replaced Sean, won’t listen now anyway.
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:00am
  - Sacha
    
    I heard a few minutes of Marcus Lush last night when he went into a full & hysteric rant mode when a listener commented about the significance of wearing ties in the House.
    The caller was speaking reasonably, but was shouted down, with Lush shouting that he had been listening to this rubbish every night for the past 3 months and was sick of it. I was reminded of Sean Plunket when he occasionally lost the plot.
    I have noticed that Marcus Lush has also developed a fine line in passive/aggressive ‘discussion’ with callers who challenge his opinions and put him on the back foot.
    He is becoming a liability to the Newstalk image.
    Thank goodness for congenial blokes like Miles Davies who unfailingly leave one in a happy state of mind.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:35am
    - Tall Man
      
      Can’t beat a good “horn” man
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcg2Do13RJc
      
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      February 11, 2021 2:32pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Marcus Lush, lol! He has to positively beg people to call in. Lord knows why they employ him. If I was an advertiser I wouldn’t advertise on his show.
      
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      February 11, 2021 2:49pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I think they will go for Mike Hosking next. That will be more challenging though as I believe he has the best ratings.
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    Bobba, that would be completely foolish. He is their, and their advertisers, major draw card.
    
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    February 11, 2021 2:50pm
  - Juliet2554
    
    hosking is untouchable. best rated commercial show
    
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    February 11, 2021 4:11pm
Maxx

Singapore with over 111,000 Covid-19 infections, has had only 1 death and 20 people in the ICU. This is seen largely as a success of their contact tracing and mass testing which has in turn uncovered the huge numbers of people who were asymptomatic and better able to keep those at risk safe. This included mandatory testing for anyone who was a close contact of anyone who tested positive, even if they showed no symptoms. This all despite having a large migrant community.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2776190
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February 11, 2021 9:14am
- Tall Man
  
  It also clearly demonstrates the “scamdemic”.
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:44am
- MCos
  
  Those figures are way out according to the Singapore MoH, which has recorded 29 deaths from just under 60k cases.
  https://www.gov.sg/features/covid-19
  From what I understand many of their cases were migrant workers who, by definition, would not be in the age bracket likely to die.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:02am
  - theoldbloke
    
    Suggest you do some serious fact checking on Singapore. 1 covid death?
    They would be happy that the other 28 reported deaths were a hoax
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    0.04% death rate.
    
    In NZ, over 500 cases since September, no hospitalisations.
    
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    February 11, 2021 2:26pm
    - Juliet2554
      
      says it all doesnt it
      
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      February 11, 2021 4:12pm
  - Maxx
    
    Poorly worded by me – 1 death amongst the 200,000 migrant workers.
    
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    February 11, 2021 2:50pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Heres me bringing in COVID Flotel into Singapore.
  
  You dont get a more essential worker than this.
  
  https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2020/04/17/singapore-hit-by-highest-spike
  
  Incidently we just got out of Drydock Mid Jan before all closed down then redelivered this to Singapore to assist with outbreaks in dormitories.
  
  Holds 550 pax in good accommodation.
  
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  February 11, 2021 2:12pm
  - sooty
    
    Well done skipper!
    
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    February 11, 2021 7:47pm
Happychappy

Auditor-General calls for robust reporting of COVID-19 spending.
The Government has been told it must do a much better job of telling the public how it is spending billions of dollars battling the pandemic.
Auditor General John Ryan wants more details on how much is being spent on COVID-19 response and where the money is going , Treasury figures show of the $60 billion put aside , more than $15 billion has gone on the wage subsidy and small business loan schemes , but Ryan said in a media release that it was difficult to know how much COVID-19 funding has been allocated to specific initiatives or total amount so far.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/436170/auditor-general-calls-for-robust-reporting-of-covid-19-spending
It seems our Finance Minister’s Grant Robertson bookwork is not up to standard and needs to be a lot more transparent.
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February 11, 2021 9:17am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Grant Robertson’s dad was an accountant……he could give him some pointers.
  
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  February 11, 2021 12:23pm
  - Paulus
    
    Believe Grant’s father [ Mod: families are off limits – you should know that ]
    
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    December 11, 2019 2:41pm
- Roberta
  
  I’d really like to know, as a taxpayer, where the $900,000,000 that Jacinda Ardern gave to “Maori for Covid” went? Nothing more was heard about that in the media. What exactly was all that taxpayer’s money spent on? Whose bank account was that deposited into? This has always been a mystery to me. The Maori population has never been impacted by Covid to any degree. Have the billion dollars of our money gone to Covid, or has it actually gone to other causes?
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:51pm
Yvette

How long before they take out Barry Sooper now?

Barry Soper: Failure to hold Trevor Mallard to account shows Labour’s hypocrisy

Opinion: Jacinda Ardern preaches about it time and again: How we should all be kind to each other and to look after our wellbeing …

Within 24 hours of labelling the man a rapist, Mallard says he realised he was wrong. But he waited for 18 months, leaving the taxpayer with a $330,000 legal bill, before he admitted it. He waited for the last day Parliament was sitting to make public his dreadful mistake and issue an apology, on the same day that the Royal Commission into the mosque shootings delivered its report and knowing Ardern had finished her round for media interviews for the year …

I was the only journalist to seek out the aggrieved man to hear his side of the story. Others it seems were too timid, presumably afraid of being labelled themselves for protecting and defending a rapist, as I was on many occasions …

This has been the shabbiest episode of inequality that I’ve experienced since starting work at Parliament before Jacinda Ardern was born.

If this is the Prime Minister’s view of being kind and caring for the wellbeing of others, I’m most certainly not on the team five million to whom she so frequently refers.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/barry-soper-failure-to-hold-trevor-mallard-to-account-shows-labours-hypocrisy/GT5LNV7YTM7Z4GYKO36WNMUGSI/?fbclid=IwAR2Es94ArK_rhpsDujxkZ_0Hqe3YIOqElKMXElEYIrgAZHGgVfX-d-w22Tg
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February 11, 2021 9:18am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, suspect Mr Soper will be silenced one way or another. Something from his past suddenly appearing maybe?
  The authoritarian, political left will cancel him as has happened to Banks and Plunkett and will pressure radio station management to suggest a quiet, dignified retirement.
  Non compliance may mean that the money will also be turned off………..
  
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  February 11, 2021 9:48am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I thought Hosking maybe next to be silenced but you may be right that Soper could be next. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was suddenly no longer the ZB political person.
    
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    February 11, 2021 12:30pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Soper’s Parliamentary Pass withdrawn for ………….. Fill in the blank.
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:52pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s funny; whenever Soper puts the boot into someone from National, those on the left cheer him from the rooftops. When he dares to criticise the PM, he’s written off and dismissed as a tory puppet.
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:09am
  - MCos
    
    And vice versa.
    The guy has taken a fair bit of stick on this very forum on occasion.
    Here’s a few comments from 2018. Apart from the Soper remarks some of the predictions didn’t work out, particularly the last one.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/soper_unimpressed_with_arderns_first_week_back.html
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:41am
  - doublehappy
    
    I have always thought of Soper as being left, but able to disagree with the more insane of their policies. HDPA (Heather Du Plessis Allen) and Barry Soper’s conversations would be interesting to listen in on. Probably intelligent and interesting.
    
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    February 11, 2021 2:02pm
Tony

Eternal life of sorts for all, including athiests?

The possibility is based on Poincare recurrence theorem:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar%C3%A9_recurrence_theorem

And the assumption that the universe will eventually decay to the same conditions in which the big bang occurred with a non-zero probability of a big bang reoccurring. Thus with infinite time, all non-zero probabilities will occur, thus there will be an infinite history of big-bangs.

https://phys.org/news/2005-04-universe-stuck-groundhog-day.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/831513/GROUNDHOG-DAY-infinite-universe-history-repeats

With the assumption that there will be a finite amount of matter, and an infinite number of big bangs, then the poincare theorem implies that the exact state preceding the previous big bang will reoccur from time to time. Although this would happen very infrequently, given an infinite history, it will have already happened an infinite number of times and will continue to do so for an infinite number of times in the future.

On that basis, we all will have already lived our current lives an infinite number of times, and will continue to do so in the future.

So, if you have had a great life, you are destined to repeat continuously. And, unfortunately, if you have had a shitty life, you will continue to relive that as well.

Unlike the “Groundhog day”movie though, you won’t have any memory of having lived previous lifes.

I was discussing this with DW while out at dinner and mentioned that if the theory is right then in many trillions of years in the future we will be sitting at exactly the same table having exactly the same discussion!!
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February 11, 2021 9:34am
- Swifty
  
  What was DW’s response?
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:30am
- Swifty
  
  Don’t leave us hanging man!
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:31am
  - Tony
    
    Don’t tell me I have to eat at this restaurant again!
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:58am
    - Swifty
      
      Hahahaha!
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:20pm
pdm

The despicable Mallard endorses new dress code for Parliament:

Jock strap and jandals for men.
Grass Skirts and bare bosoms for women.
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February 11, 2021 9:36am
- marcw
  
  Last week Mallard was reported to be enforcing the ‘ties’ rule as at the end of last year he had polled Mp’s and the majority had voted to keep them (the status quo). Now, after a Select Committee vote, they are no longer required. Presumably this Select Committee has a majority of Labour reps., who have now ‘democratically’ with a minority vote overruled the previous democratic decision of the majority. Yet more contempt for Parliament by this man who becomes more detestable by the day.
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:02am
  - MCos
    
    A week is a long time in politics let alone three months.
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:44am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Have you thought this through pdm?????
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:09am
  - Tall Man
    
    Says quite a lot about him doesn’t it ….. nudge nudge wink wink 😉
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:12am
  - pdm
    
    Trying to stimulate debate Inv. lol.
    
    Biscuit will be along soon with an erudite comment based on his vast past experiences.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:13am
  - kowtow
    
    The missionaries were onto it , coconut bras……
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:40am
- Nickc2
  
  That will do away with live screening of Question Time because I doubt there is a Cinematic Classification strong enough to precede such a broadcast.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:22am
RW Capitalist

Well well, that which they opposed is now fashionable.
RMA reform……but not for a very long time.
BUT
There is a housing crisis and all know it is urgent and RMA is what’s holding it all back.
and/but
Votes for convicts was put through under urgency.
Does this show you what their order of importance is.
1. Get elected
followed by a long second
2. Actually improve the lot of NZers
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February 11, 2021 9:36am
Philview

I try to stay away from Stuff but had a quick look today and hard to get past this somewhat poisonous article advocating Maori separatism.

“The easiest way to protect these taonga and correct the wrongs of the Crown is to increase partnerships with iwi. Tino rangatiratanga gives hapū the right of self-determination. It’s time for the Government to look at how to empower iwi to manage their own affairs.

Defunding the Government, and refunding iwi, would be a good start.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300226017/what-te-tiriti-means-for-2021–and-why-its-more-important-than-ever
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February 11, 2021 9:49am
- graham
  
  And that there is why I also try to stay away from Stuff.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:05am
  - graham
    
    Ah, I see the article is written by Glenn McConnell.
    
    Explains a lot.
    
    I notice that at one point he claims that “Taonga and whenua have been desecrated across the country.” All I can say is, for someone who just eight months ago wrote that –
    
    The Māori Party and Winston Peters have been debating what to do with colonial statues. I live near a few of Governor Grey and another dedicated to “Europeans who died in battle”, which I’m happy to report are almost always covered in red paint. The blood colour is certainly an improvement on the benighted bronze.
    
    – the phrase “pot calling the kettle black” comes to mind.
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:24am
    - Yabster
      
      hes about 6 years old, chip on his shlder dckhead- just don’t read him.
      
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      February 11, 2021 12:47pm
- Fletch
  
  Yeh, our local regional paper has the Stuff article plastered over its front page, “The Truth about Aotearoa’s Past”… It hardly has much regional stuff now. It’s just a physical copy of Stuff.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:22am
Maggie Pie

On a few occasions we head over to Mt Roskill to the Indian Supermarket. There we stock up on the fresh herbs & spices, Gulab Jamun, and home made Naan – the sort of stuff you can’t get at New World.

What we do find worrying when we drive around, is the number of Green Wheelie Bins that are left out on the footpaths for days on end, long after the council has emptied the rubbish.
There are hundreds of them scattered everywhere. One property alone had about 30 outside! What on earth do people do with their waste in the mean time?

Has anyone else noticed how bad this has become in some neighborhoods?
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February 11, 2021 10:09am
- Tall Man
  
  Nope 😉
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:12am
  - Tall Man
    
    Well I guess you have 4 in your concerned club Maggie 😉
    
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    February 11, 2021 1:16pm
Inandout

A BLM caller to Williams is trying to get the host cancelled, you can tell by the caller’s insistance on him being correct about blacks being killed by police. The caller ‘Barry’ can take his complaint to the BSA, there must be something Peter said that was ‘offensive’.
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February 11, 2021 10:18am
- kowtow
  
  They’re picking ’em off ,one at a time , you watch Petey will be next.
  
  ‘In a commentary on John Banks’ sacking by Magic Talk, Greive suggests the station’s boss, former Air New Zealand executive Cam Wallace, should either restrain Magic Talk’s other conservative talkback hosts – he names Peter Williams and Sean Plunket – or “ease them out”. The problem, evidently, is that they express and invite right-wing opinions, which makes Magic Talk something of an outlier in an otherwise overwhelmingly woke media environment.’
  
  http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2021/01/in-new-zealand-today.html
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:50am
  - Ruawai
    
    Magic talk probably getting too high in the popularity rankings when they want everyone listening to red stations.
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:49am
jon

I see the police state is alive and well with the Blenheim man having to reword the painted on slogan on the blade of his bulldozer. No doubt instructions from the Beehive via that P.C. Commissioner of Police Coster.
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February 11, 2021 10:19am
- kowtow
  
  “Amazed ,terrified,huddling together, the animals watched the long line of pigs march slowly round the yard. It was as though the world had turned upside down. Then came a moment when the first shock had worn off and when in spite of everything- inspite of their terror of the dogs and of the habit developed through long years of never complaining, never criticising, no matter what happened -they might have uttered one word of protest . But just at that moment as though on a signal all the sheep burst out into a tremendous bleating of –
  Four legs good ,two legs better”
  
  And that today , from the Elite Green MP in MIQ ( a pig walking on two legs) to that fulla’s treatment in Blenheim is the state of New Zealand , the New Animal Farm.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:04am
- Miritu
  
  On what authority does he have to reword the slogan? Can you link to any more info on this?
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:05am
- doublehappy
  
  So what was the slogan?
  
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  February 11, 2021 2:16pm
Tony Stuart

An excellent editorial in the Herald this morning, accusing Trevor Mallard of hiding behind the necktie issue to deflect attention away from the Opposition having lost confidence in him.

The editorial ends thus:

Once again, it’s unlikely Mallard has contrived the dress code dust-up to divert attention, but perception is a big part of politics, and he knows this. Coverage of the first few days in Parliament this week was big on Waititi and his neckwear and little of Mallard. The Speaker may well have been relieved, if not happy, with the results of day one, in particular.

But it doesn’t disguise that Mallard’s situation remains an impediment to the second term of Government for Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.

National leader Judith Collins has said her party plans to raise repeated motions of no confidence in him as the year rolls on. “It’s this week, and it will be next week, and some weeks to come,” she told media.

On this, Collins is correct. His actions over the rape allegation raise too many questions about the judgment of a man charged with holding New Zealand’s third most important office, constitutionally, after the Governor-General and the Prime Minister.

As political reporter Claire Trevett pointed out this week, National’s chances of success appear unlikely, but that is not the point.

For a government needing acute focus on recovery from a pandemic and a stated desire for transformation, continuing in the role is untenable. It is time for the Prime Minister to prise loose Mallard’s hold on the position.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/editorial-trevor-mallard-in-knots-over-tie-debate-in-parliament/WVNZRWSS7FORMTWG3BN3P4ELBI/?fbclid=IwAR0FIktY0ooy5PCSedps3YWQjzoo_fr71nG2oeOBXE7x1vDLFHndK8AB5cE

The ball is in the Prime Minister’s court. Even though she cannot directly remove Mallard from the role of Speaker, she can let it be known, publicly if necessary, that she no longer has confidence in his tenure. In the circumstances, Mallard would have little alternative but to resign.

Of course, we all know that the PM won’t do that. So she needs to be ready, every time she exhorts us to “Be kind”, that her kindness does not extend to the man whose career was ruined by Trevor Mallard’s bullying. #MallardMustG0
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February 11, 2021 10:21am
- Swifty
  
  If Mallard has any shred of decency or any real respect for the office he holds he would resign.
  
  Well, there’s your problem right there.
  
  Mallard is concerned only for himself, and his legacy.
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:30am
  - Swifty
    
    Just imagine for a moment, if a CEO of a ministry he was Minister of acted as he did.
    
    He would have acted swiftly to have State Services exit him/her.
    
    And we can only stare in slack-jawed amazement at current events when thinking about Mallard’s response would have been if it was Lockwood or Carter who had, as speaker, called a staffer a rapist on the steps of Parliament.
    
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    February 11, 2021 10:35am
  - pdm
    
    Swifty – Mallard and decency are not words that have ever fitted together in a sentence.
    
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    February 11, 2021 12:54pm
- Sacha
  
  ‘The ball is in the PM’s court.’
  Hmmm.
  I wonder what hold Mr Speaker has over the Prime Minister?
  I gather he mentored her in her early years in Parliament.
  
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  February 11, 2021 10:42am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    He protects her and her Government. If not for the combo of Mallard plus the media, she and her Government would be toast.
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:42am
  - pdm
    
    I read somewhere she was `seen on his arm’ at functions a few years ago.
    
    Photos were included.
    
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    February 11, 2021 12:56pm
    - Sacha
      
      Aha!!! I wonder where those photos are now?
      
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      February 11, 2021 8:11pm
      - Sacha
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98285266/former-hardman-trevor-mallard-confident-he-will-be-speaker
        
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        February 11, 2021 8:17pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s also very important to note that while Labour has stated that they have a desire for transformation, we must remind them that they literally campaigned on doing nothing and therefore have NO MANDATE to make any changes.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah but … transformation was the CoL Government’s bit of politicalese
    
    it’s foundational change now.
    
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/david-seymour-s-take-jacinda-ardern-changing-phrase-transformational-foundational
    
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/ardern-denies-switching-foundational-change-because-transformational-too-hard
    
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    February 11, 2021 3:24pm
- cmm
  
  I don’t just have no confidence in Mallard, but in many of the other MPs too.
  
  Does anyone recall the mass walkout by Greens and Labour over John Key saying something about rape?
  
  That was far less outrageous than what Mallard did. Where are all these Greens and Labour now?
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:34am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    John Key said Labour care more about rapists and murderers than their victims (with plenty of justification).
    All those politicians leaving in protest on behalf of victims of rape made no sense to me. They were protesting calling them out on behalf victims of rape that they felt would have been offended for them. It’ utterly insane thinking and makes absolutely no sense unless you take the utterly offensive belief that victims of abuse etc are owned by the Left and therefore any accusations against the Left is also an insult against the victims. It’s truly moronic.
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:49am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep the Greens and Labour Women were backing the NZ -detainees held on Christmas Island.
      
      Key was pointing out that some of these men had committed nasty violent crimes against women and children
      
      “Some of the offences I don’t even think the House would like me to read out but others include, for instance, indecent treatment or dealings with a child under 16, the murder of an individual, manslaughter of an individual, armed robbery with actual violence, aggregated assault with weapons…”
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/289416/second-walk-out-over-pm's-comments
      
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      February 11, 2021 1:12pm
I remember when

Kapi-Mana News: 9 Feb.
Climate Change: Future of Gas
Chef Martin Bosley said no natural gas connections to network, or bottled LPG after 2025 represents a huge change in mindset for NZ Chefs.
He outlined the advantages of gas control over electricity for cooks.
While electric induction is slowly becoming available for commercial sections he called it ‘prohibitively expensive’ currently.
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February 11, 2021 10:30am
- kowtow
  
  When prices go through the roof for wokester Labour voting inner city types to eat out / heat their aprtment showers etc then maybe they’ll regret their adoration of the Swedish St Greta the Good etc
  
  Fuck ’em.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:25am
- kevn
  
  @I rem…. Unintended consequences? Import
  while keeping our reserves intact for the CCP.
  What other reason could there be?
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:31am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The stupidity will ultimately be reversed. Gas is a method of cooking with its own special characteristics.
  
  Good news: I believe the global warming nonsense will be dead within a few years. Even Davos won’t succeed.
  
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  February 11, 2021 1:05pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Would’nt it be “culturally” in sensitive to ban Gas?
  
  Asians and there Wok, Indians and Gas cooking.
  
  Who else?
  
  Thats right kiwis and there BBQ’s. unfortunately way down the list there.
  
  It will end up as “sneaky” BBQ parties hidden from prying eyes.
  Secret gatherings.
  I mean seriously, Who will obey this shite.
  
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  February 11, 2021 2:20pm
lazza

My old home town Minot ND USA temperature yesterday minus 41 degrees Fahrenheit!
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February 11, 2021 10:32am
- Dougal10
  
  Thats cold -40 fahrenheit is -40 celsius .
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:04am
Bobba Fret

Heard a bloke on Heather DPA’s show on ZB last night from First Union saying that sick leave needs to be 20 days a year! FFS when are the demands going to stop. it’s not even 10 days yet and they’ve got another stat day.
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February 11, 2021 10:36am
- tf78
  
  Bobba, here’s an idea – they can have 365 days/year off and not get paid. That should make them really happy.
  
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  February 11, 2021 3:37pm
Frank the tank

I wonder how the Blairite is feeling today. Getting shit kicked from all sides yesterday because of Grunter and Beetroot’s impregnating of the housing market.

Young Brooke was most impressive getting the jackboots on and going in for the kill. Even ‘crazy eyes’ Julz had a go.

BTW Beetroot doing his best Pontius Pilot – ‘it was all Grunter’ imitation. Sorry Beetroot you knew what happened and did it anyway……
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February 11, 2021 10:38am
- alwyn
  
  I suppose you know what you are talking about.
  Damned if you make any sense to me though.
  Who, or what, are you talking about?
  
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  February 11, 2021 12:08pm
  - doublehappy
    
    Me to!
    
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    February 11, 2021 2:24pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Question time yesterday was a pile in on housing inflation – even the greens.
    
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    February 11, 2021 4:13pm
- Nickc2
  
  Geez, and Chloe Swarbrick wants to legalise the stuff?
  
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  February 11, 2021 12:25pm
I remember when

Ethical advertising:
Is Vodaphone’s knee-jerk reaction the same as ‘taking a knee.’
Ethical advertising – is there even such a thing?
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February 11, 2021 10:41am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  To me a lot of this ethical advertising is misandry, as much of it makes ordinary (Caucasian) males look like complete tools…
  
  E.g., that ad on tv showing some guy in a protest march and that other guy in those electricity co ads who always has to be seen to ‘do the right thing’…
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:21am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, don’t use vodafone, heard stories about being impossible to get through to them. Spark so far has been very fair and contactable.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:32am
  - curry4me
    
    Inandout: I use 2 degrees. They’re fine.
    
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    February 11, 2021 2:54pm
- Tall Man
  
  Is it ethical to run a service in one country but the “call centre” in another?
  
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  February 11, 2021 1:22pm
  - tf78
    
    Vodafone were great when their call centre was in Egypt, once they moved to Queen Street they were always outside smoking instead of answering calls according to a friend who worked in the neighbouring building.
    
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    February 11, 2021 3:42pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING 😀

What do Justin Trudeau and Jacinda have in common?

https://twitter.com/CanAditude/status/1359578368925171716
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February 11, 2021 10:48am
- Swifty
  
  I found that quite disturbing.
  
  🙂
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:00am
  - Inandout
    
    Swifty, I found accounts of his mother’s Cuban holidays quite disturbing. Talk about a loose canon.
    
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    February 11, 2021 11:35am
Bobba Fret

What is the point of these ankle bracelets if they can cut them off!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300227321/child-murder-trial-abandoned-after-accused-absconds-from-bail
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February 11, 2021 11:03am
- Inandout
  
  Bobba, if that child were a puppy she would be jailed for years.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:36am
- mandk
  
  The names of the mother and child say a lot.
  Mother is Southern.
  Child was Comfort Joy.
  
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  February 11, 2021 12:10pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Well spotted!
    
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    February 11, 2021 1:46pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    ….The charge related to the death of her daughter, 18-month-old Comfort Joy Thompson-Pene….
    
    Sadly, “silly first name” syndrome and “hyphenated names” seem to be linked to child deaths within a household.
    Something which had been noted before on the old Whale Oil, and seems likely to have a statistical basis.
    
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    February 11, 2021 5:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Help!!!!
Maggie Pie

Do I need to get into leather?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/fashion/300226786/judith-collins-adds-just-the-right-amount-of-leather

As it’s quite the signature of the Mongrel Mobster Mums in Kaiti, I wouldn’t want to be accused of cultural appropriation.

Could I get away with wearing pleather?
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February 11, 2021 11:10am
- Fletch
  
  Hah I noticed her wearing that yesterday. I wondered if her bike was waiting out back.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:25am
- Swifty
  
  “It almost pains me to brand Collins a fashion leader….”
  
  Why say that? Why the snark? On a fashion piece?
  
  Get stuffed, Stuff.
  
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  February 11, 2021 11:40am
  - BeaB
    
    It’s like those lame brains who say ‘I hate to agree with so and so but…’ – because you never expect anyone on the other side to say anything sensible.
    
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    February 11, 2021 1:00pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Compared to the swooning over Ardern, and never a critique of her appearance (and sometimes cadaverous at that!).
    
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    February 11, 2021 8:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I’ve got a spare black leather Rubble Hood Gimp Mask if you’re interested Maggs? Only worn once, still like new.
  You could contact me thru DPF if you wont
  
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  February 11, 2021 1:40pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh thanks, but I’ll stick with my latex one at the moment… It’s working wonderfully at keeping the virus at bay.
    
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    February 11, 2021 1:50pm
kowtow

Odt’s editorial , such lack of self awareness is astounding.

If they feel so strongly about the harm alcohol does in society then why do they accept their advertising dollars .

As to the ‘expertise’ of the good doctor , she’s a Doctor of philosophy.

As Mr Trump would say ‘Fake news”

‘We can accept all of that, but still understand why this move has raised some eyebrows, if not exactly caused a storm.

‘There is a genuine debate to’be had about the moral suitability of such an explicit link between a sports team — one that trades in a type of wholesomeness, and its attributes as a role model — and a company that flogs alcohol, responsible for so much damage in society.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/link-between-alcohol-and-rugby
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February 11, 2021 11:11am
- Tall Man
  
  “one that trades in a type of wholesomeness”
  
  I thought they were a rugby team …….
  
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  February 11, 2021 1:19pm
lazza

Wazzup with the new rental scene?

One aspect… Tenant improvement rights

Quote: “The change which excited Nelson-based renter Brenda Mary the most is the right for tenants to make their house a home.

“When you hear a lot of the tenancy issues being discussed, owning a rental property is sort of seen as a business; living in a rental property is a home.”

Fine sentiments but Hold On!

My sense is that short term rentals say of less than 2 years are the norm in my neck of the woods (Rural Rodney).

So how many ST renters will never bother even dreaming of “doing a do up”?

How realistic then is Brenda our renter if located in these locales … and in NZ generally?

Anyone know the stats please?
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February 11, 2021 11:44am
BeaB

Do you think anyone in the media will phone anyone in Mexico and do some digging? No? I don’t think so either yet I bet there’s a good story there.
Too busy running hit jobs on Nats while filling their cars with Saudi petrol.
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February 11, 2021 12:58pm
- Swifty
  
  “Too busy running hit jobs on Nats while filling their cars with Saudi petrol….”
  
  Well said BeaB – and in addition to Chinese consumer products, whiteware, clothing made in Asian sweatshops, using phones made with minerals mined in dangerous conditions by children etc etc etc.
  
  I just don’t understand the logic being applied here. Are the Greens now wanting us to stop trading with any country who commits acts we disagree with?
  
  We trade with all manner of dictatorial, murderous regimes – why have the Greens picked on this one Saudi issue I wonder?
  
  Why aren’t our news media putting their feet to the fire on this?
  
  This just seems like either a hit job on Luxon (and a failed attempt as it seems the contract was struck after Luxon left Air NZ) or just a distraction to divert our attention from other, more important matters.
  
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  February 11, 2021 1:40pm
  - tf78
    
    Weak people seem to be very cruel.
    
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    February 11, 2021 3:47pm
curry4me

ASTERISK PRESIDENCY: Episode 4.
Direct from Harveywood, here is this weeks episode of Asterisk Presidency. Brought to you by the CCP, Huawei, Wall Street and Burisma
Will BLM and ANTIFA sponsor the next episode? Negotiations continue.
Will the administration rescue Wall Street from the Wall Street Bets saga?
Will the UAE reverse the peace deal with Israel? Will Lockheed Martins
Share price fall?
Will the administration start a new war, or reinvigorate an existing one?
If it’s the USA v China, who will blink first? Blinken, or China.
Will WallStreet Bets claim another hedge fund?
Will Beijing Biden boycott the Beijing Olympics? Will AOC Smollet join Mensa?
Will Beijing Biden’s female cabinet picks pass the sniff test? Will wigs, or hair extensions cost them points?
Stay tuned folks!
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February 11, 2021 1:29pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DHFk0weGot8/
Hungarian Baby Boom.

The nation of HUNGARY led by the one and only Viktor Orban is Experiencing nothing less than a nationalist-populist Marriage and Baby BOOM! In this video, we’re going to take a look at the specific policies that the Orban government has instituted in Hungary, how those policies have effectively reversed their demographic decline that up until now plagued the nation, and how Hungary is leading the way to the cultural revitalization of Western Civilization for the whole of the European continent.
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February 11, 2021 2:15pm
- mandk
  
  Szeressétek élőben Magyarországot!
  
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  February 11, 2021 3:37pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Why wouldnt he,
  he refused to let immigrants and refugees into his country.
  Called Covid as he saw it.
  Knows what his people want.
  Whats not too like?
  
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  February 11, 2021 5:22pm
curry4me

https://www.theepochtimes.com/georgia-prosecutor-probing-attempts-to-influence-2020-election_3692497.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-02-10-2

Georgia Prosecutor Probing Attempts to Influence 2020 Election.

A district attorney on Feb. 10 asked state officials to preserve records potentially related to the 2020 election as she revealed that her office has opened a probe into attempts to influence the administration of the election.
The investigation includes “potential violations of Georgia law prohibiting the solicitation of election fraud, the making of false statements to state and local governmental bodies, conspiracy, racketeering, violation of oath of office and any involvement in violence or threats related to the election’s administration,” Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, a Democrat, said in letters to Republican Gov. Brian Kemp and other officials.
[Hopefully, this will be the first of many such investigations.]
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February 11, 2021 2:15pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Why has Nashie suddenly decided to dye his hair White?

(…and could someone please give Golriz a tissue. Thank you)
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February 11, 2021 2:38pm
Paulus

Heard of a Husband and Wife Landlords with two rental properties, one in Tauranga and one in Taupo.
He has given notice to Taupo renters as returning to Taupo house from Tauranga, and she has given notice to Tauranga renters that she is returning to Tauranga from Taupo
Will decide what to do once both vacant.
Can’t go on cruise as has been cancelled by Labour.
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February 11, 2021 2:53pm
Maggie Pie

Thort this might be worth sharing with the group….
my partner’s mum just txt that Larry Flynt has died.

RIP
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February 11, 2021 3:13pm
Bobba Fret

I guess these lovely blokes will be off the streets for a couple of years. Not long enough in my opinion.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/family-heartbreak-shared-in-court-as-three-jailed-for-hastings-killing/3Q7RXGRV2WKWSVVBUHCBYAASWA/
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February 11, 2021 3:21pm
Master Mariner

Cathay is a big cargo carrier.

Supply lines restricting even more. Has any one been watching Flight radar and the small number of planes flying to NZ ?

https://www.flightradar24.com/47,8/8

Between that and AIS ship tracker.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-12.0/centery:25.0/zoom:4

Well if this keeps up then there will be no BBQ’s arriving in Bunnings.
Buy now while you can.
Inflation must be raising surely.
Supply chains getting smashed, More so for NZ

Surely this is more important than a @#$% Tie in Question time.?
Cathay and direct access to China gone, Think crayfish, manuka honey etc.
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February 11, 2021 3:32pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Sorry forgot original link,
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2021/02/cathay-pacific-suspends-all-services-to-auckland.html#:~:text=Cathay%20Pacific%20has%20suspended%20all,the%20Hong%20Kong%20SAR%20government.&text=After%20the%20pandemic%20decimated%20the,Hong%20Kong%20on%20November%2027.
  
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  February 11, 2021 4:06pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

For Rockingham District 7 NH House Race in Windham. The Dominion machine counted results cut almost exactly 300 votes from each of all 4 Republicans on the ballot, but by almost exactly 300 votes, added 100 to the top democrat and cut 20 for the other 3 Democrats. Overall Dominion machines swung the result by about 8% towards Democrats compared to hand recount.

But nothing suspicious going on right? Those Dominion machines are totally trustworthy and there is no possibility of fraud or results being tampered with.

https://granitegrok.com/mg_windham/2020/11/recount-in-windham-rock-dist-7-machine-shorted-every-republican-by-about-300-votes
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February 11, 2021 4:57pm
- curry4me
  
  UrbanNeocolonialist: No, no irregularities here. CNN, $tuff, and One Woke News told me so. /sarc
  
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  February 11, 2021 6:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You can not post that nonsense here. The left will be along shortly, after they have deciphered play school TV1 news. The Dominion machines are programed to stop, then switch vote, and then stop until the vans of blank ballot forms are delivered.
  You are correct Urban man, nothing to see here
  
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  February 11, 2021 6:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Well, this Air NZ-Saudi saga is getting interesting.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/revealed-air-nz-began-hiding-other-activities-1-news-investigated-saudi-military-dealings
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February 11, 2021 6:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “The inquiry first came through to someone reasonably junior in the communications team. Once I heard about it, [I took] immediate action.”
  At this level? Junior ffs?
  These pricks are playing games with OUR money. Jaspinda will bail them
  
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  February 11, 2021 6:53pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Why is the ex-General Secretary of the Labour Party at the hearing?
    
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    February 11, 2021 7:23pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Just listen to the commitee .
  At no stage did they both Chair of Board and / or CEO take personal responsibility but instead passed it down the line.
  At no stage does it work like this.
  I’m sure there are going to be gremlins coming out.
  Absolutely appalling by both in there comments in regards to questioning.
  Im surprised there is any moral left from employees if this is how they think.
  
  Again, It raises far more questions than answers.
  
  Also is NZ Government complicit by association ?
  I think so by being majority shareholder.
  
  I dont disagree about making money with the Saudis one bit,
  But this is a lot bigger mess than merely that.
  This ain’t going to go away.
  
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  February 11, 2021 7:18pm
Master Mariner

Will this effect any existing Trade agreements?

EU, Countries like Iran ( that dislike “The Kingdom”).

Has it broken any existing FTA clauses ?

This in my mind has far more connotations than merely fixing boats.
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February 11, 2021 7:22pm
Fletch

Lucasfilm has gone all woke and fired Gina Carano from The Mandalorian to sate the baying of the Twitter mob…. ?
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February 11, 2021 8:29pm
lazza

NZ Police HERO’s! … and amazing professionalism Very Proud.

Kaiaua rescue … clip

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kaiaua-rescue-dramatic-moment-as-four-plucked-from-water-after-boat-sank-on-waitangi-weekend/S6EMF6YOHWLGOWGU2X7FTSCRUM/
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February 11, 2021 8:48pm
lazza

Trump fan boy (“Gorka” or is that Dorka?) … loses it.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kaiaua-rescue-dramatic-moment-as-four-plucked-from-water-after-boat-sank-on-waitangi-weekend/S6EMF6YOHWLGOWGU2X7FTSCRUM/
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