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Yvette

An explanation over women’s speaking rights at Waitangi is simply – “Māori believe when visitors arrive at the marae, the God of War Tūmatauenga is present, with protecting women paramount.
This is the reason men are in front of women and hold speaking rights.. [1]
Some elders apparently say patriarchal attitudes of colonisation contribute to the situation.

However, given this information and the probability that Collins may wish to speak – since, especially, the Prime Minister is now permitted to – why didn’t the Waitangi iwi officials or anyone else associated with that marae’s protocol, or National staff give an “explainer” to avoid the embarrassing PR shit that has followed?

If the Treaty is a partnership, why are the concerned parties not talking to each other enough to avoid the stupidity that occurs? I would have thought, tantamount to Maori protocol in welcoming guests, and the Crown’s kindness as embodied in Ardern, these fucking stupid situations could be avoided.

Even the office of the Race Relations Commissioner should foresee the question of speaking rights, and inquire of marae officials what the current position is and advise Collins and others in advance.
The point is: if this minor crap keeps happening, what expectation should the public have of Government, Opposition, Race Relations, or particular Maori iwi leaders dealing successfully with anything of major importance?

Next year, if there are accusations of any “lack of understanding of tikanga”, or persons do “not have the cultural expertise”, it will indicate a simply failure to learn from history and a political inability to anticipate any obvious problem may occur more than once.
It will also be an indictment of Government, Opposition, Race Relations, and particular Maori iwi leaders.

Ngāti Hine iwi leader Waihoroi Shortland apologised to Collins and said it would change next year.
Collins will perhaps have forgotten what she was going to say by then, although if she was going to berate Labour for not delivering change for Maori, it will likely still be viable.

[1] https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/explainer-tikanga-female-visitors-marae-following-judith-collins-sexism-claim
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February 9, 2021 8:04am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  One line summary:
  
  “We’re going to exclude people because of their sex, and you have no right to complain because of your race”.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:29am
  - Ruawai
    
    We will hear Golriz screaming from twitter about this human rights abuse, yeah nah!
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:16am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Speaking of Ghahraman (and I would prefer not to, but she started this), has anyone stopped to consider against whom Yemen is involved in conflict? Isn’t it Ms Ghahraman’s country of birth, Iran?
      
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      February 9, 2021 11:35am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        From where she came as a refugee.
        
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        February 9, 2021 12:37pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Nope – she wasn’t a refugee. (although that is what she claims to boost her “presence” – or perhaps prescience.)
        
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        February 9, 2021 1:00pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Id say the opposite Tony. Iran helping Yemeni’s Houthi’s.
        Saudi supports the government.
        All about which religion . Sunni or Shia.
        Can of worms.
        Question is what back ground is GG family. I’d pick Shi’ism and natural enemy of Sunni ( Saudi Arabia).
        
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        February 9, 2021 1:50pm
      - Justitia
        
        Her positions, as in this case involving Saudi Arabia – Iran’s mortal enemy, appear to be consistent with Iranian interests and she refuses to criticize Iran’s appalling human rights record.
        
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        February 9, 2021 1:58pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Golriz Ghahraman and her parents left Iran and were accepted as refugees in NZ.
        
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        February 9, 2021 3:09pm
- kowtow
  
  See todays Cactus kate . Excellent as always.
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:28am
  - IC5000
    
    What is she up to now? Didn’t she get fired when that story broke of her, Collins and fat boy colluding to smear the head of the SFO?
    
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    February 9, 2021 4:45pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The problem is conflicts of time and cultures. No treaty has conferred cultural equality on Maori and Pakeha and no one wants that. The tribal cultural and marae protocols are solely a societal local affair and may vary accordingly. Nothing illegal is happening. Individual marae may be able to allow the PM to speak and it is up to the PM’s staff to suss that out without fuss or bribery. It is also up to the PM to be gracious and accept what is possible.
  
  To feel offended because another ethnic group is still following practices different to our present day Pakeha society, is that not an application of implied colonialism? Equally forcing our young to learn the primitive fossilised Maori language which is going to interfere with their mother tongue and be no help in the present is that not going too far the other way?
  
  We once had a Treaty of peace and accommodation–not a take over by either party. It may be Maori society has the once tribal lands too deeply embedded. Those rights ceded to the Crown didn’t confer right on future young activists to re-impose their will. Letting that break out without chastisement is to break up the Treaty and allow Ihumatao throughout New Zealand or the isles of Te Pounamu and Aotearoa.
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:48am
- Brian McDonald
  
  2 things of interest. Firstly, if there will be any objections to Shortland having said JC can speak next year – it seemed to be off the cuff.
  Secondly, how long will the Ruapekapeka memorial to the fallen British soldiers last? They were after all part of the bombardment of the fortified pa which had women and children inside.
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:24am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    There is no contemporary account of women and children in Ruapekapeka specifically, or any of the main pa attacked in the Northern War. Even James Belich noted that these were purpose built pa, not traditional ones which were dwellings or storehouses. These gunfighter pa were built to lure in the British and cause casualties on the assault. Women certainly were present in other pa, Orakau, Ngatapa, etc. and were recorded as so. So where do you get your evidence for this? And beside, if Kawiti kept women and children inside the pa while the British labouriously brought up mortar, rockets and howitzers and bombarded over 10 days….whose fault is that? And who killed whom first/fired the first shots of the Northern War?
    The anaecdote of children defusing bombs at Ruapekapeka such as I heard the PM speak at Ruapekapeka last week were fiction. Col Despared noted that Maori sheltered inside theor bunkers when the big guns fired. The idea that children dashed out into the barrage and pulled fuses from coehorn or 32 pounder shells is silly, but very romantic. It was noted the 32 pounders damaged even the far side of the stockade from the British position, so kindie-winkies playing Handball with shells is invention. While powder WAS obtained from shells which didn’t explode on many occasions this ‘children in front of cannon’ is BS. “Eh, Tama, get out of this bunker and catch us a shell, would you?” Pull the other one. There are lot of Land Wars stories which owe their origins to the 21st century. There is no reference to children inside the pa. What on earth would be the point for a custom-made ‘trap’ like modern historians like James Belich would have us believe?
    As for the monument, the concept and the wish for the monument came from the local iwi. Not the Crown. Many of the local iwi even have whakapapa which includes the British regiments – they told me themselves. The feeling amongst the locals and Te Ruapekapeka board was positive. The only scorn I saw was directed at Jacinda and the politicians when the cameras were rolling. So if anyone comes in deface the monument within that urupa – it will be more likely urban BLM retard-types.
    
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    February 9, 2021 12:49pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Whose version of history wrt Ruapekapeka is going to be included in School Curricula? What’s the bet it will be St Cindy’s?
      
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      February 9, 2021 1:29pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  WRT the ” accusations of “lack of understanding of tikanga”, or persons do “not have the cultural expertise”” I noted with a mixture of hilarity and sadness that one of the bought-and-paid-for media outlets trotted out another reporter as a “cultural expert on maori tikanga” or some such drivel.
  
  I’ve heard of interviewing your typewriter, in this case when you want someone who’s going to take a highly critical line about anything Judith Collins has said, all you have to do is interview your colleague’s typewriter.
  
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  February 9, 2021 12:37pm
Ruawai

If Labour force Maori wards on all councils Maori should be unable to stand in general council positions, you can’t have your cake and eat it! Same for parliament, if Maori seats are maintained then they shouldn’t be able to be in normal seats.
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February 9, 2021 8:05am
- kowtow
  
  Oh yes they can because , Captain Cook.
  
  Simples as dat.
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:29am
Maggie Pie

There’s a version of this on YouTube by the Boomtown Rats 😀

https://twitter.com/Coltheman1/status/1358655108842627073
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February 9, 2021 8:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

National – whistling in the wind.

Bishop encouraged Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern to consider what she would have done if it had been a National Party Speaker who had falsely accused a former staffer of rape.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300224976/national-trevor-mallards-behaviour-should-not-go-unpunished
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February 9, 2021 8:06am
- peterwn
  
  Oh well, a certain National Party PM years ago called out a male front bench Labour MP for being gay and forced the MP out of Parliament. This was when activities associated with male gayness (but not female gayness) were rather serious crimes.
  
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  February 9, 2021 8:15am
  - jon
    
    This certain PM the late Sir Robert Muldoon in making this call out was in fact responding to a certain Labour MPs claim in the House that Sir Robert’s accountancy firm was dishonest. My memory of the episode was that Sir Robert didnt force Colin Moyle out of parliament but rather the latters conflicting statements over events led him to having to leave the House.
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:04am
  - RoboRob
    
    Wasn’t there a number of accusations of underage / inappropriate (drugging?) type activities. If I recall correctly it was Labour that maneuvered this particular MP out with as little fanfare as possible.
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    I think at the time the intervention of the Police was the issue and the silly story the MP told in Parliament.
    
    However, Muldoon was not the speaker attempting some degree of impartiality, he was a pitbull of an MP and merely doing what he perceived to be his job at the time.
    
    The current speaker is not fit for purpose or the current time and only a fool would think otherwise … which seems to be the entire labour caucus.
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Now who could you mean?
    
    Surely not Gerald O’Brien… because he reckoned it was his own party that kneecapped him.
    
    He was charged over an incident in 1976 in Christchurch, where he allegedly asked two boys back to his motel room for a drink. The charges were thrown out, and O’Brien maintained that it was nothing but an attempt by political enemies to “get rid of me”. He also stated that he got more sympathy from members of the National Party than from his own party. He was subsequently deselected by Labour for the Island Bay electorate.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_O%27Brien
    
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    February 9, 2021 11:48am
    - Tall Man
      
      Colin Moyle.
      
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      February 9, 2021 7:13pm
- Tall Man
  
  Where else in the world would the “press” ignore or underplay such an event?
  
  Maybe a single party dictatorship but I doubt a single democracy in the Western world have such a pathetically compliant media.
  
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  February 9, 2021 8:18am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You’re 100% correct TM – where it’s clear there’s dictatorship citizens will start to protest and oppose (witness hundreds of thousands of Burmese protesting in Yangon), but New Zealand is still under the delusion we live in a democracy with a free and uncensored press.
    
    Our media are so stupid they don’t even know they’re being manipulated, and in fact have been bought and paid for. You almost have to admire how well Labour have done this. Almost.
    
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    February 9, 2021 12:41pm
- pdm
  
  Mallard should not need either Ardern or the opposition parties to tell him to resign.
  
  He is a despicable man who is not suited to either the role of Speaker of the NZ Parliament or even as a backbench MP.
  
  In short he should piss off.
  
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  February 9, 2021 8:20am
- artemisia
  
  A no confidence vote in a Speaker, failed or not, is on the record forever. Any ensuing debate is also on the record. Forever.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:09am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    There won’t be a vote. AQ single Labour MP will object to leave being given to debate a motion of no confidence in the Speaker, and that will be the end of the matter, for today, at least. But you can be sure that National will not let it rest there. The argument Bishop is running of “what would Jacinda Ardern be saying if a National Speaker had behaved in such a way?” clearly links the PM to Mallard; a very good tactic, IMHO.
    
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    February 9, 2021 9:15am
    - pdm
      
      Something that the airhead who represents my electorate (Tukituki) could probably manage.
      
      Then again she might well stuff it up so they will get someone really competent like Twyford to handle it – let the vote begin.
      
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      February 9, 2021 9:34am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  She can’t even pronounce ‘hypothetical’, let alone use that concept to reason logically.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:31am
Frank the tank

So the Blairite wanted one of her Hollywood luvies in the country this year. MC for wedding? Another propaganda piece for the feckless ones? Getting bored dealing with the local ‘rifraf’ who are quite obviously below her?
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February 9, 2021 8:08am
Frank the tank

Confirmation today that housing is more expensive in Dunedin and Whangarei than Christchurch. Let that sink in.

Still who cares we have another holiday to look forward to – that’s the big news from Waitangi weekend.
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February 9, 2021 8:13am
- RoboRob
  
  Hadn’t heard that but wouldn’t be surprised. Chch is an example of what making land available can do to house prices. Cunningly the governmnet, local governmnet and the media are all ignoring this lesson.
  
  In ‘Chrisis’ Auckland I believe the council and government are still working hard to not expand the urban boundry and focus on higher density (which also equals higher price).
  
  A lot of talk about housing costs but the government is only focused on the demand side of the equation.
  
  Note in Chch demand for builders is as high as everywhere else, just land supply is easier. You will note that everytime the govt is challanged on supply they point out builders are maxed out and nothing can be done.
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:17am
- Tall Man
  
  What a surprise…. Not.
  
  Whangarei, gateway to the north with all the recreational pleasures that brings.
  
  Dunedin, home of the greatest (currently working hard to undo that) university and university lifestyle in the country with the demand on accomdation that brings.
  
  Christchurch, earthquake central 😉
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:23am
  - kowtow
    
    Dunners became the attention for out of town property speculators a few years ago as they were priced out of hot markets where ‘hot” money was chasing property in Auckers etc and the market went mental long time ago.
    
    The local council and local geography also means lack of supply for land to build on . ie the Otago Pen is so lovely to look at you can’t build on it and the taieri plain is sooo impotrtant for food production , when it’s not under water.
    
    Dunners is now attractin workers for major tax payer funded projects ; uni upgrades and new hospital builds.
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:36am
  - RoboRob
    
    Nope, population growth is higher in Chch than in Dunedin. The difference is a number of huge chunks of good quality land opened up for new development post earthquake.
    
    Also townships like Rolleston with new motorways to them have massive population growth (over 30k now, 20yrs ago wasn’t much more than farm land). This provides alternatives to cbd living and helps keep pricing down.
    
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    February 9, 2021 11:05am
    - hookerphil
      
      And at the other end of the motorway Rangiora, Amberley etc are also filling up and beyond the old boundaries.
      
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      February 9, 2021 3:21pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Tongue in cheek 😉
      
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      February 9, 2021 7:16pm
Andrei

Life in the Matrix exhibit 2021-67:

‘Appalling racist & homophobic abuse’: Church of England defends reverend who branded Captain Tom fans ‘white nationalist cult’
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February 9, 2021 8:14am
Inandout

How more plainly corrupt does this get?

‘It has already been revealed that Nicholas McQuaid, a former federal prosecutor, was picked as acting chief of the Justice Department’s criminal division. He also partnered with the attorney Hunter hired to defend him in the federal corruption case.
WHAT THIS MEANS

Carlson said on his show Friday night that McQuaid worked with Christopher Clark as partners at Latham & Watkins. They worked on cases together right until McQuaid took the job at the Justice Department.

“So, that means Joe Biden put at the head of the criminal division the partner of the guy his son had hired to defend him against the criminal division. Whoa,” Carlson said.

That is so visibly corrupt that it’s clear our administration isn’t afraid of the public. They don’t care what you think. Since they took over the media, most Americans don’t even know about this or understand its implications’.

And their MSM, like ours, don’t ask questions.
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February 9, 2021 8:15am
- Nickc2
  
  The tide just came in and now the Swamp is awash (with crooks that is).
  Just keep signing those Executive Actions (EA) Joe and everything will be ok. The next EA off the pile is a pay rise for Nancy. sarc
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:38am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, the puppet-masters are very adept, and play the strings very well in having the Puppet President sign what they want him to sign.
    
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    February 9, 2021 1:06pm
Simon

John Key’s “rich mates”

Party Vote Labour.

Cullen got very upset when John Key gave his so called rich mates a chicken shit tax cut. Cullen must be seething with rage at all the “rich mates” riching it up with Cindy’s massive money print. Right?
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February 9, 2021 8:17am
- Tall Man
  
  I honestly think they’re too dumb and too enamoured with cindy to even see it let alone reason it all out.
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:25am
Swifty

Regarding Mallard’s defamation of a parliamentary staffer and the fact that the taxpayer has dug him out of his hole at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars and that’s just the costs so far of course as his employment case is still underway.

National are calling for Mallard to be sanctioned, even dismissed as Speaker, but given Labour’s numbers in the house they seem set to protect him at all costs.

This provides New Zealanders a nice little window into the character and ethics of Labour MPs.

I wonder if we could interview the 18-20 year old versions of current Labour MPs and ask them:

“A National Party Speaker publicly defames a parliamentary staffer, does his best to have the staffer publicly identified, refuses to apologise for 18 months, apologises only when forced to and as a result of this defamation the taxpayer is forced to fund all costs including costs of settlement. The National Speaker retains his role and doesn’t have to pay a cent. What would you think about such a situation and what do you think should happen to the Speaker?”

Well, we all know what their answers would be, don’t we.

Naturally, their answer would be “for party-political interests, the National Party should rally round the Speaker and do all they can to protect him and have no hesitation to use their numbers in the house to squash all Labour attempts to hold him or her to account.”

Well, that must be their stance wouldn’t it – otherwise they’d all be outright screaming hypocrites!

Don’t get me wrong, I’m open to the idea that Labour might surprise us all over the Mallard affair and do the right thing. But I doubt it.
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February 9, 2021 8:18am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Labour need Mallard there to protect them at question time.
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:25am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Let’s not forget that this is NOT the first time that Mallard has bullied and defamed a public servant:
  
  The woman who accused Labour MP Trevor Mallard and a top public servant of destroying her reputation has won an appeal to the Supreme Court.
  
  In 2007, whistleblower Erin Leigh accused Mallard, then Environment Minister, of defamation.
  
  This was after she raised questions about political interference and alleged former minister David Parker pushed for Clare Curran to be appointed to a communications role with the Ministry.
  
  All three Labour members involved are currently sitting Members of Parliament.
  
  At the time Mallard was asked an oral question on the matter in Parliament and spoke negatively about Leigh.
  
  He told the House she had “repeated competence issues” and said Curran had been appointed to “fix up the mess”.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5638025/Whistleblower-wins-defamation-appeal
  
  Appeals to the Supreme Court don’t come cheap. I wonder how much was spent defending Mallard’s intemperate comments on that occasion. He appears to have learned nothing over the years, given the repetitive nature of his offending.
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:50am
hullkiwi

Why is there more chance of getting an accurate weather forecast from Dan Corbett’s former colleagues on the BBC World News than from him when he presents the weather on TV1?
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February 9, 2021 8:18am
- Clyde
  
  I stopped watching that prancing, posing “weatherman” ages ago, along with most of the TV news. Everyone I know, including those that rely on accurate weather forecasts for their livelihood, uses the Norwegian Weather Service. It is very accurate and can be accessed via https://www.yr.no/en
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:42am
  - Paulus
    
    And the use now of Maori in every opportunity to advise us of what they think the weather is going to do.
    Soon it will all be in Maori so suck it up a it is only 3% of the Maori population and TV and media presenters plus school children will understand
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:25am
    - Tall Man
      
      3% understand or have a few rehearsed phrases and words?
      
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      February 9, 2021 10:39am
    - Flossie
      
      But do those TV and media presenters understand, or are they just reading the autocue?!
      
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      February 9, 2021 10:48am
    - Dougal10
      
      Aren’t school children tv one’s news and weather target audience because tv 3 has the kindergartin’s covered .
      
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      February 9, 2021 10:56am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      No need for us to tolerate that. The Treaty does not require that imposition either.
      
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      February 9, 2021 10:56am
RW Capitalist

food for thought
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/064/218/866/original/f9692a86d82d047f.jpg
I believe they also opposed the emancipation proclamation.
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February 9, 2021 8:25am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Do you know what happened to most of the Dixiecrats who filibustered the Civil Rights Act? They became Republicans.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:42am
  - kloyd0306
    
    Civil Rights Bill, 1964:
    Who are real racists?
    (Psssst – it’s the Democrats)
    
    The original House version:
    Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
    Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)
    
    Cloture in the Senate:
    Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
    
    The Senate version:
    Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
    
    The Senate version, voted on by the House:
    Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
    Republican Party: 136–35 (80-20%)
    
    Average support by Despicable Dems: 63%
    Average support by Republicans: 81%
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:26am
  - Fletch
    
    Do you know what happened to most of the Dixiecrats who filibustered the Civil Rights Act? They became Republicans.
    
    Oh yeh? Name them. THREE Dixiecrats became Republicans. Thurmond, Helms, and Godwin. The rest were Democrat for life, and their seats remained so for years later.
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:40am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Lol. The Civil Rights Act (and the attendant welfare and affirmative action largesse) has been worse for Black families than either slavery or Jim Crow laws. Welfare and grievance have decimated Black Americans, similar to their Maori bros in this country.
    
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    February 9, 2021 11:45am
    - IC5000
      
      > Lol. The Civil Rights Act (and the attendant welfare and affirmative action largesse) has been worse for Black families than either slavery or Jim Crow laws.
      
      Damn straight. Blacks would have been much better off if they had been subject to discrimination based kn their race. Tell it like it is!
      
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      February 9, 2021 6:41pm
- Fletch
  
  THe meme is true, but it was actually 57 days, not 75. It was a Republican, Everett Dirksen, who mustered the votes to get it passed, even though he’d just come out of hospital etc. It was so much his doing that Time magazine put him on the cover.
  
  https://npg.si.edu/blog/everett-dirksen-forgotten-civil-rights-champion
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:45am
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING….

Should the ‘Tino Rangatiratanga’ flag become permanent on the Auckland Harbor Bridge?

(The law: ‘No race based flags should be permitted on a national scale’)
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February 9, 2021 8:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Let’s cut to the chase and make it our National flag.
  
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  February 9, 2021 8:31am
  - pdm
    
    No way.
    
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    February 9, 2021 8:33am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Why?
    
    Discuss.
    
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    February 9, 2021 8:38am
    - doublehappy
      
      We already had the vote 4-5 years ago. It was democratically decided to keep our flag. 57% I think it was.
      
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      February 9, 2021 12:08pm
      - Paulus
        
        That was before BA – before Ardern !
        
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        February 9, 2021 1:59pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    ‘Tino Rangatiratanga’, Top Ranking Chiefs Body (Standover?) is plainly a claim for Maori sovereignty which was absorbed into the Treaty. Only activists seek to pursue that undoing. The also seek to make Maori custom the living law including utu which but for the Treaty would have taken them to extinction.
    
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    February 9, 2021 8:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    // was missing I hope 😉
    
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    February 9, 2021 8:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    A few years ago, we had a resident in Victoria Ave flying the Maori flag! Neighbors were horrified 🙁
    I think Paul Holmes lived right next to the guy and Banksie was opposite.
    Paul talked about it on his breakfast show – reckoned it never worried him. Although privately he would have been pretty pissed.
    
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    February 9, 2021 9:19am
    - Inandout
      
      Maggie, I used to work with a guy who said he would like to buy a house in Victoria Ave and rent it to one of the gangs. He would then sit back and wait for the howls from the residents and the silence from the then Race Relations office. I guess there are more than a few Aucklanders who could afford such an experiment.
      
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      February 9, 2021 10:00am
      - IC5000
        
        Sounds like a legit true story.
        
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        February 9, 2021 6:43pm
  - Jimbob
    
    You’re stirring Maggy.
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:11am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      That’s one thing I never do Jimmie.
      Everything i say can be verified.
      Please withdraw and apologize.
      
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      February 9, 2021 11:06am
      - IC5000
        
        Lol pulling our leg again Maggie. Great troll!
        
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        February 9, 2021 6:44pm
- Simon
  
  “‘Tino Rangatiratanga’ flag become permanent on the Auckland Harbor Bridge?’
  
  Given the badly failing Auckland transport infrastructure acceptable on the second Auckland harbor bridge.
  
  Otherwise its all just pointless virtue signaling to mask gross government waste and incompetence.
  
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  February 9, 2021 8:42am
- JackRabbit
  
  No. It’s pure racism and separatism, since the NZ flag stands for all NZers.
  
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  February 9, 2021 8:45am
- Yvette
  
  Maggie Pie and Maggy Wassilieff
  
  One unfortunate feature of the Tino Rangatiratanga flag is the Nazi colours of red, white and black.
  A seemingly obscure objection? – no more than many things race relations ban.
  
  Google Nazi flag and click “Images”
  Google Tino Rangatiratanga flag and click “Images”
  the association is now branded in your brain
  
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  February 9, 2021 8:47am
  - MCos
    
    I wonder if the Counties-Manukau Rugby Union are aware the Nazis pinched their colours?
    https://www.steelers.co.nz/steelers-heat/latest/news/donald-returns-home-to-pic-counties-manukau-steelers.html
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:37am
    - Nickc2
      
      I’m told Counties-Manukau Rugby Union only took that colour combination because it was the second to last one available. The last one went to the English Rugby Union.
      
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      February 9, 2021 11:58am
  - Phronesis
    
    I honestly thought those colours were chosen because they represent the major criminal gangs in NZ.
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:45am
    - graham
      
      That’s naughty … but I admit to laughing out loud 🙂
      
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      February 9, 2021 11:29am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      No, or there would have been blue for Black Power.
      
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      February 9, 2021 11:51am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s the only permanent colours available to the earlier primitive Maori society.
    
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    February 9, 2021 11:00am
- graham
  
  A flag that is mired in controversy and often affiliated with protest? Not keen on it myself …
  
  However, if it were to become permanent, I trust the appropriate protocols would be followed and it would be flown BELOW the New Zealand flag.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:02am
- Fletch
  
  ‘Tino Rangatiratanga’ does literally translate as “absolute sovereignty”. Have three guesses at whose? It’s a divisive flag and shouldn’t be allowed.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:17am
- kloyd0306
  
  If 90% of Maori need to translate “Tino Rangatiratanga” into English to understand what it means, then what’s the point?
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:29am
- MCos
  
  Who cares?
  It’s only an ugly aging bridge consumed with its own self importance
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:43am
Rusty

Is Fabian socialism rearing its ugly head in the Labour party again?

Some may remember Rodger Douglas/ Rogernomics in the late 80’s practicing it despite it being unpopular with many of his fellow Labourites and the people of this country.
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February 9, 2021 8:26am
Simon

In April minimum wage to hit $20! A living wage for all. There will be no more food banks by the end of the April. All hail Jacinda and her stunning and brave leadership. Are NZ bosses ready for the Jacinda magic?

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February 9, 2021 8:28am
- KevO'Brien
  
  There will be greater queues as workers will lose opportunities. This govt has gone berkers with bribes which they are borrowing for. Economic lunacy giving more unneeded public holidays.
  Money is never free–the price may be your freedom or your grandchildren.
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:04am
Ruahine

When it comes this Gov’t and things Maori it is not law that prevails it is lore.
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February 9, 2021 8:30am
- pdm
  
  No Ruahine – it is that the (so called) Maori Caucus) is fully in charge of the Labour Party.
  
  Looks like they have usurped the Unions.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:39am
Maggy Wassilieff

“How casually our society and history was dismissed as racist. How lazily and stupidly and destructively that smear was just thrown around.”

Not NZ , this time.
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6230028755001
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February 9, 2021 8:38am
- Swifty
  
  A couple of key points for me:
  
  1. We don’t challenge nearly enough, nor effectively, those who cry ‘racism’ at the drop of a hat. Our first response should and must be for us to demand of the the claimant the evidence and proof of their assertion. And so should our ‘community leaders’, MPs, our news media etc etc – but it seems however that they are happy to accept these claims as fact and proceed on that basis.
  
  2. We have a society in which, it appears, a person who claims racism falsely suffers no penalty. Quite the reverse in fact – they are more likely to either be elected as an MP, appointed to some governmental organisation or be the recipient of taxpayer funds to shut them up.
  
  What we have devolved into as a society is one which it pays people to perpetuate grievance. Problems never, ever get ‘solved’ – they only get ‘serviced’.
  
  Just purely as an example, and I don’t want to pick on this Ministry unfairly, but I wonder whether the Ministry for Women has an end goal in mind which when reached can report to their Minister and say “our job is complete and you can shut us down now”?
  
  Or, do they intend existing in perpetuity? Forever finding or making up things to work on, strategise about, research, plan for etc etc etc.
  
  I saw Sepuloni last week being reported as saying she wants “a thriving NGO sector…”.
  
  Really? I would have thought that for many if not most of our NGOs we want them to solve problems, celebrate their successes and then close them down as they are no longer required?
  
  Silly me, I suppose.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:12am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    NGO’s are stirrers for Labour/Greens ans other disgruntleds.
    
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    February 9, 2021 11:06am
  - oldfella
    
    Don’t worry, Swifty, Stuffed understands our needs for fair and balanced – neutral – reporting on all things racial. I gleaned that from this message from them which popped up this morning.
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    “We’re for Aotearoa
    Whāia te mātauranga hei oranga mō koutou; seek knowledge for your wellbeing. When you support Stuff you’re backing journalists who chase the truth, so we can all learn from the past and create a better future for all. Your contribution, no matter how small, helps us deliver trustworthy, independent journalism for all New Zealanders. Help us continue the search for truth by supporting us today.”
    
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    February 9, 2021 12:33pm
- oldfella
  
  For those of you looking for proof NZ is racist, look no further than this story. And it’s so shocking, the story carries this message at the top.
  “Warning: This story contains an offensive image”
  And the offensive image? A bulldozer blade with writing on it. I kid you not.
  Apparently, a Marlborough man with “ALM equal rights for Kiwi whites” spray painted on a bulldozer blade parked in his driveway has refused to remove the message, despite neighbours calling it “racist” and “intimidating”.
  A woman who complained, said, “We shouldn’t be made to feel uncomfortable in our homes”.
  After calls to police and the Marlborough District Council, the woman wasn’t confident the sign would be removed, so she had written to the Human Rights Commission.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300222987/calls-to-remove-intimidating-racist-sign-on-rural-marlborough-street
  
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  February 9, 2021 12:47pm
  - oldfella
    
    BTW Tom Brady has been Called ‘Racist’ on Social Media for Winning Super Bowl During Black History Month.
    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/02/08/tom-brady-called-racist-on-social-media-for-winning-super-bowl-during-black-history-month-n1423916
    
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    February 9, 2021 12:51pm
- doublehappy
  
  A very logical thinker is Andrew Bolt, a true Australian and to me seems a kind man. I myself mix in a society that includes just about all the people who have come to NZ to make a new life. Maori, Indian, Chinese, Korean, Europeans, Africans, etc. I don’t come across anybody that I know that thinks of all white men as evil racists, or particular skin colour as less equal. I have discussed with all races about the future of NZ. Most seem to think that it is time we all considered ourselves New Zealanders of equal standing. A lot say they have a bit of Maori in them. They are a mix of skin tones from pale to jet black. Most are just getting on with life and know nothing about “The Great Reset”, the United Nations (an Oxymoron if ever I heard one) move to make a borderless, one currency world. How would they in this MSM cancel culture, where nothing anti-left is allowed to be discussed? Most think that it is all a conspiracy theory. Why wouldn’t they, when this is what they are told, time after time, after time?
  
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  February 9, 2021 12:52pm
lilman

So I asked a medical therapist how the government one stop shop for diagnosis and cancer treatment was progressing?
“Its a shambles”
“Can’t get any consensus out of ministry of health,in fact its worse than ever ”

Another PR problem for the government that continues to over promise and under deliver.

When will we learn.
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February 9, 2021 8:39am
New Zealander

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124179657/new-plymouth-labour-mp-glen-bennett-ties-the-knot-in-parliament

Why is Parliament used for such a ceremony? Mr Bennett has not even given his maiden speech to Parliament, yet here he is exchanging vows in the building.

At least he sees marriage as a priority. The same can’t be said for the unwed mother who leads his government.
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February 9, 2021 8:47am
- Nukuleka
  
  I wonder how come I knew even before looking at the link and without ever having heard of this MP that it would be a same sex marriage. Nothing but a ‘look at me aren’t I special’ publicity stunt with the media invited to record the event.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:26am
  - Steve Todd
    
    As a (64-year-old?) gay man yourself, Nukuleka, you would surely know how far homosexuals (especially male homosexuals) have come, since the dark days prior to 1985/86.
    
    As I said to you here (https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/05/general_debate_27_may_2020.html#comment-2725717) last May, no-one gives a toss about that sort of thing anymore.
    
    Why do you have difficulty with it? Is it, as it seems to me, because your social conservatism (and your many expressions of same) takes priority over your sexuality? If so, I find that rather odd. My heterosexuality is fundamental to who I am; it is far more important to me than what I like to think of as my social liberalism.
    
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    February 9, 2021 11:03am
    - sooty
      
      How much was he charged for the event hire?
      
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      February 9, 2021 11:10am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Why are you asking me?
        
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        February 9, 2021 11:23am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Correction: “As I said to Maggy […].”
      
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      February 9, 2021 11:19am
  - Steve Todd
    
    I have just spent the last couple of hours or so, watching the “maiden statements” of some of our new MPs — both from ACT NZ, and Labour.
    
    Wow! What an impressive group of wonderful people our MMP electoral system has enabled us to elect.
    
    I was rather impressed with the speech by Glen Bennett, the Labour MP for New Plymouth. What a fine man he is. I am so delighted he has found happiness with his same-sex husband, and that he has assured his constituents that he will work tirelessly for them.
    
    Nukuleka: I won’t labour the point, but you need to recalibrate your thinking.
    
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    February 9, 2021 6:32pm
    - Hollyfield
      
      Just curious, why do you say “same-sex husband” and not “husband”? I’ve seen talk shows with guests Elton John or John Barrowman refer to “my husband”, and Sandi Toksvig or Susan Calman say “my wife”. I’ve yet to hear a woman say “my other-sex husband” or a man saying “my other-sex wife”. Why not just say you’re happy he’s found happiness with his husband?
      
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      February 9, 2021 8:08pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Because that was the whole point of the exchange, Hollyfield.
        
        Nukuleka wondered how come he knew, “even before looking at the link” that the marriage ceremony — Glen Bennett’s marriage ceremony — that took place in parliament, “would be a same sex marriage”. Even though he is gay himself, he clearly has a problem with same-sex marriage, and I asked him why.
        
        On reflection, I agree that my use of the expression “same-sex” was superfluous, but I was just continuing the theme of the exchange. I would not normally use the expression, but, on this occasion, it seemed to me appropriate to do so.
        
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        February 10, 2021 9:50am
- Scott
  
  What’s happened to the good people of New Plymouth that they voted for such a fellow? Taranaki has been driven into the ground by this government’s assault on dairy farming and energy. In response they elect a parliamentary representative whose first priority is his gayness?
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:19am
  - MCos
    
    Being gay had nothing to do with his election win.
    https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.newsroom.co.nz/why-new-plymouth-voters-went-for-labour%3famp=1
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:56am
  - IC5000
    
    > In response they elect a parliamentary representative whose first priority is his gayness?
    
    Don’t worry Scott, if your God exists he will smite down the inhabitants this modern day Sodom and Gomorrah for giving licence to degeneracy!
    
    Have faith brother that they will repent in hell!
    
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    February 9, 2021 6:50pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Heh, heh. I wonder where Scott’s heterosexuality features in his list of priorities.
      
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      February 10, 2021 10:00am
- Don Beckett
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:18am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Mmmmm……comment deleted for using a word that is used by those same people to describe themselves, and was in very common usage up until maybe 3 or 4 years ago.
    Okay – not my blog.
    
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    February 9, 2021 1:17pm
Frank the tank

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/02/covid-19-texas-republican-first-in-us-congress-to-die-from-coronavirus.html

Let’s read the first sentence:

“Wright, a 67-year-old Texas Republican, had also been battling cancer”

Then one of the last sentences:

“Despite years of painful, sometimes debilitating treatment for cancer…….”

So did the rep die of WuFlu or WITH WuFlu?
I’ll let you individually decide.
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February 9, 2021 8:56am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If they die after catching COVID, it’s a death due to COVID. If they die after getting vaccinated, it’s purely coincidental.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

You live and you learn…
Neckties are indicators of penis size

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2021/feb/08/the-phallic-necktie-is-an-outdated-symbol-of-white-male-rule-in-new-zealands-parliament

(I thought neckties originated from scarves/cravats… not from cod-pieces)
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February 9, 2021 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  High fashion from the royal courts back in the day , when fashion followed the royals , nowadays what passes for fashion is ‘inspired’ by the criminal ghetto .
  
  As to the author , she must have issues if she sees dicks everywhere.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:38am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    I think that, probably, she is not seeing enough dicks. Makes them very bitter.
    
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    February 9, 2021 11:52am
- Swifty
  
  I wonder Maggy if the good professor puts on her professor clobber when there’s a ceremonial occasion at Massey – you know the cape and headgear etc.
  
  Or does she rail against that too?
  
  Just wondering.
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:33am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Does that mean if I wear a bigger neck tie I can throw away the …
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:10am
- Jack5
  
  What would this mean for Peter Dunne’s bow ties?
  
  And .. the article includes this:
  
  There was something jarring in hearing the Speaker of one of the most diverse parliaments in the world telling Waititi he could not speak in the House until he effectively wore a status symbol emanating from the very period in history that led to the ravaging of Maori culture, lands and sovereignty. In 2021, no-one should be requiring any elected member of parliament who has a mandate from their voters to question dominant cultural and political narratives, to stick to a dress standard designed to promulgate Victorian white male power.
  
  The loon Waititi wears a cowboy hat – the head gear of the people who swept the indigenous people from the plains of the United States.
  
  However, perhaps the weirdest bit of Robinson’s rave is:
  
  “The necktie is derived from the codpiece, a fabric flap or pouch designed 500 years ago to emphasise a European nobleman’s importance through his large phallic size.”
  
  In fact, the neck tie has military origins. Here’s one account:
  
  Most sartorialists agree that the necktie originated in the 17th century, during the 30 year war in France. King Louis XIII hired Croatian mercenaries who wore a piece of cloth around their neck as part of their uniform. While these early neckties did serve a function (tying the top of their jackets that is), they also had quite a decorative effect – a look that King Louis was quite fond of. In fact, he liked it so much that he made these ties a mandatory accessory for Royal gatherings, and – to honour the Croatian soldiers – he gave this clothing piece the name “La Cravate” – the name for necktie in French to this day.
  
  However, the earliest predecessor to the neck tie is probably the cravat-like scarf on the neck of each of the China terracotta warriors, nearly 2000 years old.
  
  At the Massey web site, Robinson’s research interests are listed as: political communication, visual communication design, and political marketing.
  
  As usual, Robinson’s article isn’t in the online International, UK, and US editions of the Guardian.
  
  It pops up in the pseudo-edition provided when you log on from a New Zealand address. There is no official NZ edition.
  
  Robinson’s neck tie article, is, however, included in the online Guardian’s Australian edition.
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:44am
  - alex Masterley
    
    The article calls into question the good professors research ability. The way it is written suggests she threw together a 1000 words or so in a hurry and in the expectation of a cheque at the end of the process.
    
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    February 10, 2021 10:12am
- alex Masterley
  
  I see the individual modelling the tie is wearing an America’s Cup tie.
  What is he trying to do?
  Bring the event into disrepute by wearing it?
  
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  February 9, 2021 1:17pm
- Jack5
  
  And tonight, the Hooerald gives Waititi space for a rave.
  
  In it he alleges the Government has nationalised gold, oil, and everything else without compensating Maori.
  
  Hell’s teeth, this indigenous people ,who were still using stone tools when Europeans arrived, have been given a share of the wireless spectrum!
  
  Waititi is getting heaps of publicity with his tie stunt and Western cowboy hat.
  
  Do the taxpayer subsidies that are keeping the traditional media afloat come with this understanding? “Look after the Maori Party as well as the Labour-Greens.”
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:26pm
Maggie Pie

We’ve heard this is also a common occurrence in Mt Roskill.

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1358369603529900033
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February 9, 2021 8:58am
- MCos
  
  Is that one of the ladies from the “tennis club”?
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No silly! We all play sans panties 😛
    
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    February 9, 2021 12:22pm
jacob

BREAKING

Labour announce another announcement on housing

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124167026/government-has-property-speculators-in-its-sights-robertson-says
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February 9, 2021 8:59am
- slernz
  
  I love the way this has been framed by Robertson and his minions the MSM. Once again it is the “rich pricks” that are responsible for soaring house prices. Nothing, of course, to do with Robertson’s money printing policy. Robertson was warned that printing money, willy nilly go, would result in house price increases. He said it wouldn’t. It will be interesting to see what Robertson comes up with. One thing I can guarantee, it will have little effect on the price of houses.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:37am
  - lemuzz
    
    I don’t know why they don’t do something about Real Estate Agents fees. At 3% fee on $1,000,000 property, that is $30000 commission. Many houses are sold within days of being listed and it is in the agents interest as well as the owners to wring the most from the buyer. You don’t see many agents driving Toyotas.
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:21am
    - Tall Man
      
      The fee is negotiable and down to the efforts of the seller.
      
      Currently you could stick a sign up at the front of your house and you’d be inundated with prospective buyers so only a fool is paying “retail” fees.
      
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      February 9, 2021 10:37am
      - lemuzz
        
        Yes but how many home owners do you see selling their own. Many real estate agents are better at negotiation both for their fees and the price they might get for the property and the commission is eventually paid by the buyer. Whatever you sell, its always the buyer that sets the price. So perhaps it would be an advantage to reduce real estate fees by having a buyers “agent” rather than a sellers agent.
        
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        February 9, 2021 1:45pm
  - Paulus
    
    I can earn up to $600 per day tax free with my house whilst sitting quietly and watching the grass grow.
    Thanks Ardern and Robertson.
    Yes, I suppose I am a rich prick, but Ardern will be earning more in her Auckland palace.
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    Is someone who builds houses for profit, sensible I would have thought, a speculator?
    
    Is buying a section or two and building houses on them called “speculation”? Are “spec” houses a thing of the past or are all labour mps idiots?
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:33am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      All labour MP’s are idiots
      
      Pleased to be of assistance.
      
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      February 9, 2021 1:42pm
- peterwn
  
  Duh! You have beaten me to it! Grant does not seem too interested in how prospective tenants are going to find places to rent, but then such people are very unlikely to vote National. The real pros in the business will not be fazed. There is a certain Christchurch landlady will allegedly own all Christchurch property in 50 years time (a shining example of the fallacious use of mathematical projections. She will not be fazed, indeed the chances is she votes Labour or Green because it is good for business.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:41am
- Yabster
  
  yet another piece meal reactive policy to placate the renters united and socialist base- if you add supply demand takes care of itself.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:47am
- Surely Knott
  
  Meanwhile, as the housing prices increase, Ngati Whatua Orakei joins the other protestors stopping housing development in central suburb of Avondale to save a non-native macrocarpa tree. Yeah ok, but don’t complain about the house prices or commute.
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:13am
- Jimbob
  
  Why bother following any of this crap coming out of the media and Government. Just get on with your life and wait till 2023. Then the opposition can rip the Government to shreds. The downturn is coming, that is when you strike.
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:17am
  - Paulus
    
    Wrong – Ardern will smile and Robertson will throw any amount of your borrowed money at you and you will accept her smile and vote left wing again.
    
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    February 9, 2021 10:34am
lazza

Peter Dunne puts it this way.

“By drawing out an announcement that anyone with any knowledge of these issues knew was always going to be an approval of the vaccine, the government was able to keep the focus on itself and then look like the good guys”.

Technical Term … “Bullshiting” … term for this infantile transparent crap

But Hey Pete! … their gall-shame knows no boundaries.

Consider these:

Ardern’s mob must think we all are SO bloody dumb (sheeples) … to believe /accept this kind of Horseshit.

So … How many ways can I say (I love you??) …
Naah … so how about a list of adjectives to describe the lengths this government will go to … to “dissemble” ….

LIST: (feel free to add your own:)

*** Dissembling

*** Duplicitous

*** Lying

*** Strangers to the Truth

*** Misleading (deliberately)

*** Obfuscation (also deliberately)

*** No … “but what I can say” … (Insert: more bullshit and irrelevancies)

*** After nine long years … very tired

*** Go early and hard … HAAH! …

*** Transparent and accountable HAAH … and HAAH

Ihumatua -ing … and the odd vote buying with $150 M for the Ngapuhi vote and of course the mother of all bribes … The PGF (blamed on Winnie of course but we are not fooled ehh?)

*** Mallarding no shame troughing & arrogance personified.

*** Arderning (frowns with rapid nodding twitches and other “pyschotic”? tics)

*** Bullshitting A Grade: … refs David Clark/Wazzizzname the hyphenated Immigration Guy??/Solisee Who?/Curran-ed/Chippy -ied et al

And deserving of a special category by himself …

DA DAHH!

*** Twyfording! (Dict: A special talent for f*cking things up … royally)
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February 9, 2021 9:19am
Positan

I’m utterly appalled at Dame Patsy Reddy’s declaring that “the Crown has repeatedly broken Treaty of Waitangi agreements.”

Whether or not true, (and I would very much believe the latter to be the case), the Governor General is the Queen’s representative in New Zealand. A position mandated to exude the strictest political neutrality.

The actuality of Dame Patsy’s breach of protocol is quite monstrous. The role of the monarch is the central foundation of our democracy and if we cannot depend in the complete lack of bias and the total neutrality of that Office, the very foundation of our democracy is under threat.

It is a shocking and disgraceful act Dame Patsy has exercised at the close of her term.
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February 9, 2021 9:26am
- MCos
  
  Anyone who knows anything at all about NZ history knows what she said I was true.
  I might remind you QEII herself apologized in 1995 for the unlawful taking of Maori land.
  https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/queen-says-sorry-wronged-maoris-1536901.html%3famp
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:08am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But yesterday folks were saying Dame Patsy doesn’t know the law.
    
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/governor-general-mounts-ill-advised-defence-of-monarchy
    
    Dr Metuamate said Dame Patsy was “ill-advised” and had got the law plain wrong,…..
    
    Victoria University associate law professor Dr Dean Knight, the group’s constitutional adviser, expressed concern that Dame Patsy had misrepresented the law.
    
    Now, who should I believe?
    
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    February 9, 2021 1:20pm
    - MCos
      
      Whatever suits your agenda.
      Everyone else does.
      Personally I think it’s time we became a republic if the alternative is to hang on the words of a Head of State who can never be a Kiwi. (& must be an Anglican for that matter)
      
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      February 9, 2021 2:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        & must be an Anglican
        Absolute rubbish!
        
        Anand Satyanand is RC
        https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/call-sir-anand-resign-commission
        
        Jerry Mateparae is Ratana
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/96735/mateparae-remembers-his-origins-at-ratana
        
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        February 9, 2021 3:22pm
      - MCos
        
        I’m referring to our Head of State not the local representative.
        The Queen/King is also the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. If she converts to some other religion she must abdicate. If Charles, William or the next wee kid converts to whatever they dip out.
        If enough of them are thus ineligible they’ll have to put the call out to #32 Senna Lewis, part Maori.
        Imagine that.
        
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        February 9, 2021 8:53pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Why hasn’t Dame Patsy complained about the abuse of executive power which surely would have been outside HM’s standards under their Oath of allegiance to her.
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:17am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Successive governments have agreed that the Crown has repeatedly breached the treaty. It seems uncontroversial for the Crown’s formal representative to acknowledge that fact.
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:30am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    Yes, and enormous reparations and apologies made. When will we Maori move on from this? When can we shake the yoke of woke and insist on our right to personal independence? When will we grow up and take responsibility for our own actions? In 180 years, it’s fair to say little or no improvement has been made by Maori. Everything we have is due to the goodwill of others. Even our language.
    
    No-one footing the bill for reparations was actually personally responsible, they’ve all been dead for years, but Maori refuse to recognise this, lumping everyone in as our abusers, it’s not right.
    
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    February 9, 2021 3:00pm
    - Positan
      
      Most of us wouldn’t ever expect much more from Mike – but, in your case, a bloody apt reply, Housekeeper.
      
      My compliments. You’re very much my kind of self-responsible and, in outlook, self-sustaining, individual.
      
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      February 9, 2021 5:18pm
- Jack5
  
  Reddy is the Queen’s representative in NZ. Her kowtow isn’t dissimilar to British High Commissioner Laura Clarke’s apology for Cooke’s clash with local Maori when the explorer first reached New Zealand.
  
  It brings to mind the way Britain abandoned the white settlers of Rhodesia. The UK-led pressured led to the collapse of the minority white government.
  
  That was inevitable. But did Britain stand up for a fair deal for the Whites when their farms were confiscated? I don’t think so.
  
  Britain would as willingly throw under the bus the Whites of New Zealand and Australia to secure its international trade or diplomacy.
  
  So why should NZ support Britain’s bid to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership – or CPTPP? Let it stay in the Atlantic.
  
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  February 9, 2021 12:22pm
  - Sacha
    
    I hope that NZ will take a pragmatic approach: we need the income from exports if we want to enjoy the fruits of good living in the 21st century . However, I wouldn’t be too surprised if this government cuts off our nose to spite our face, just because . . . . . . .
    
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    February 9, 2021 1:57pm
    - Jack5
      
      How is it going to affect our negotiations for a direct trade deal with Britain?
      
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      February 9, 2021 4:07pm
Happychappy

Robertson teases Covid- focused budget;
Pledges first home buyers support.
Finance Minister Grant Robertson made the announcement during a BNZ breakfast in Wellington,where he laid out his priorities for this May’s budget.
New figures reveal our net debt now is forecast to reduce to 36 5% of GDP 2034/2035 , Robertson said, representing about $60 billion less debt than before the 2020 Election.
“While these are only projections they show progress that we are making,” Robertson said of the new numbers.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/09-02-2021/live-updates-february-9-robertson-teases-covid-focused-2021-budget/
Well if people are like me it doesn’t paint a very good picture for my Children who are middle aged now and their children with their children that will still be paying this debt long after Grant Robertsons predictions , his predictions on our economy are now starting to prove him wrong with business now they can’t survive on turnover they have now.
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February 9, 2021 9:44am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Trades people are in a dire condition. The close down has had consequences.
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:19am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Have you tried getting a tradesperson for any small job lately?
    
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    February 9, 2021 11:31am
    - Jack5
      
      Tradesperson … the de-gendering of English nouns driven by the Woke. Thank goodness for the everyday word “tradie”.
      
      Will Woke-isms endure, or will they fade from English like Victorians’ and pre-Victorians’ use of “unmentionables” for underwear, then for trousers.
      
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      February 9, 2021 12:09pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I had a most excellent young woman carpenter, who outshone her elderly male associates in our kitchen rebuild a few years back.
      Mangling the language, being prissy over gender, is best left to the disturbed non-binary crowd. I get that frequently.
      
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      February 9, 2021 5:56pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Look out the window sometimes Kev tradespeople everywhere in a building boom.
    
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    February 9, 2021 11:37am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Your moaning because the result was better than the prediction. Going by that you’d be happy if he underestimated the debt?
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:36am
andretti

What do you all think about the 2nd gun buy back?.
oviously the 1st one was a disaster.
Now we have the 2nd one but as a LFA holder who received an email back several months back form the police telling us all that anyone found in possession with a (now) illegal firearm will be subject to a fine or imprisonment as well as being recorded as a criminal.
So I cant help but think anyone who hands in a gun during the 2nd buyback will not be able to renew his/her firearm license when it falls due.
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February 9, 2021 9:54am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  “… anyone found in possession with a (now) illegal firearm will be subject to a fine or imprisonment as well as being recorded as a criminal”
  
  They still have to find the person in possession first, so that likely wouldn’t happen until it’s already too late. The point had been made here before, but only those who would not misuse the weapon will voluntarily hand it in.
  
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  February 9, 2021 12:00pm
Maggie Pie

Funnily enough we heard a Motorbike roaring up Vicky Ave late on Saturday night.
I suggested to my partner we should phone the Police. He said why bother – they’re under-staffed, underfunded, reduced to driving Skodas, and ordered not to pursue anyone unless it’s an old age pensioner doing 5k over the speed limit on their way back from the bowling club.
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February 9, 2021 10:20am
Maggie Pie

Policemans mother just calls granny on ZB……tells her there are currently 250 Police being used as ‘security guards’ at MIQ facilities in Auckland – so don’t expect anybody to rock up in a hurry if you’ve been raped, murdered, or have some Ahole hooning around on a motorbike.
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February 9, 2021 11:03am
- fernglas
  
  Most people are more worried about catching Covid than being raped or murdered.
  
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  February 9, 2021 12:56pm
  - The Housekeeper
    
    That’s debatable fernglas. I still prefer the flu to rape or murder.
    
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    February 9, 2021 3:35pm
Inandout

Dear God, Magic Radio uses CNN’s Jim Acosta for comment on Trump’s ‘impeachment’ trial. He says Trump is not President now but the impeachers want him banned from standing ever again. Jimbo knows Trump has great support and probably has no intention of standing again. Does CNN have bargain basement rates?
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February 9, 2021 11:08am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I would expect Trump to at least go through the motions of starting a 2024 campaign. It’s an easy mechanism to keep the cash flowing from the rubes as his financial circumstances tighten.
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:33am
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, he is about to start his own blog. Now that would be interesting. By the way, Trump is wealthier than trougher Joe will ever be; business sense beats political sense any day.
    
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    February 9, 2021 12:05pm
    - MCos
      
      “Trump is wealthier than trougher Joe”
      We know in NZ that personal wealth, or at least the illusion of personal wealth, makes little difference to someone’s ability to run a country, a political party or anything outside their field of expertise.
      I refer you to Colin Craig, Kim Dotcom, Gareth Morgan, for whom politics was a hobby.
      
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      February 9, 2021 12:53pm
    - virtualmark
      
      There are two sides to a balance sheet …
      
      You appear to be looking only at one of them …
      
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      February 9, 2021 2:01pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Jim Acosta is a total arsehole and an extreme left wing CNN liar. Who needs to hear what that oxygen thief has to say.
  
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  February 9, 2021 11:34am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  They are terrified of Trump because they know that he has massive support behind him, and it has likely increased since Biden was installed. Not only did they steal 2020 (as TIME was recently at pains to brag about, albeit calling it something else in an attempt to absolve the cabal of any blame), they now want to impeach him when he has already left office in order to prevent him from running in 2024. Oh, don’t you just love their ongoing campaign to fortify America’s democracy.
  
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  February 9, 2021 12:19pm
  - Paulus
    
    Sadly it is all a pathetic farce –
    Cannot the US media see what arseholes they present to the world.
    The Presidents of China, Russia, and Iran are pissing themselves with laughter along with many other countries.
    
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    February 9, 2021 2:11pm
Jack5

The world turns upside down …

From a Jewish Telegraph Agency article about Jews in France:

Polls also suggest that Jewish support for the far-right National Rally party of Marine Le Pen moved from being non-existent 20 years ago to just a few points below the national average.

https://www.jta.org/2021/02/05/global/french-chief-rabbi-clashes-with-communal-leaders-in-debate-on-whether-jews-have-future-in-france
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February 9, 2021 11:17am
- Adroit
  
  The irony is that Jews have, and will remain, at the front of efforts to integrate and welcome non-white migrants to Europe in an effort to end its monolithic whiteness.
  Some however, are starting to realise that what is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Large amounts of immigration from third world countries is bad for both the native European populations and it’s Jewish cohort.
  
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  February 9, 2021 12:08pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m guessing you don’t count Jews as ‘white’…
    
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    February 9, 2021 12:41pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack, if I were a Jew in France I wouldn’t wait for Islamic onslaught, I would go to Israel. That little country must now have more scientists, doctors and tech experts per square mile than anywhere else in the world. This is why lefties hate Israel with such intensity, that tiny nation will survive and prosper.
  
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  February 9, 2021 12:40pm
graham

Cactus Kate in her recent post about women not being allowed to speak on the marae makes the following point:

If Maori wish to snigger at how we as “white folk” speak Te Reo and belittle us for it, then I am sorry they (and it is a “they” as Maori keep feeling the need to exclude) need to understand many of us find the way many pronounce their “aks”, “churs”, “youse” and short form grunting of the Queen’s English (and Alice in her Instagram post) to be pretty staggering as well.

https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/02/maori-need-to-modernise-to-meet-crowns.html

This is something that frequently bemuses me. We are being told constantly that we *must* learn to speak Maori because it is such a treasure, and then those same people harangue anybody who makes the mistake of mispronouncing any word. Yet English is so frequently mangled that it hardly surprises me now – Cactus Kate gives some examples, but there are so many more. How often do you hear the words bought and brought being used in the wrong context, for example? Or people saying, “I should of …” instead of “I should’ve …”? Happens all the time, but nobody seems unduly worried about it.

But get something wrong when you pronounce a word in Maori wrong, however innocent a mistake it may be, and you’re castigated for it.

Why would I bother investing time and energy into learning a skill if, instead of encouragement, I’m going to be scolded every time I get something wrong?
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February 9, 2021 11:50am
- Loddenthinks
  
  They appear to have been listening well to their champion, Princess and Chief Enabler, who manages to mangle the English language in a way that is much worse than the previous Prime Minister.
  
  By doing that, she has bin jepradising the futures of those most vunnrable to the effects of their low achievement due to their comparative illiteracy and inability to express themselves.
  
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  February 9, 2021 2:22pm
- JerJer
  
  Don’t worry about it. The language is a dead duck.
  
  Soon less people will speak it fluently than sign language. Unfortunately is has no real world use, and is dying the way many other languages are also dying (2800 of them in the next few years supposedly). If you do the research you will find the the following:
  
  1. Putting the language in the media results in people becoming resentful.
  
  2. Putting it in written media makes people angry.
  
  3. Making it compulsory in schools makes people furious (as another more useful subject must be dropped generally).
  
  So, the three things that will drive it faster to extinction they are already doing. The more they do it, the faster it will be. 15 years most probably.
  
  Most current speakers are aged over 55, and they will mostly be dead in 15 years. The only solution is for Maori themselves to speak it, in their families and every day life, which they don’t and generally won’t becuause they have to operate in real life as well.
  
  So the same rule applies as everywhere else. Don’t interrupt you opponent while they are stuffing up. Just clap and let them carry on. The lefties and the woke are destroying the language for Maori whilst pretending to be on their side……sad.
  
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  February 9, 2021 4:05pm
Maggie Pie

Whenever I hear a South African immigrant call into talkback, it makes me sooo glad I speak with a New Zealand accent.

Just saying.
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February 9, 2021 11:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But have you heard yourself on radio?
  
  I’ve done a couple of RNZ interviews and I sound atrocious with my kiwi accent.
  
  Poor old mum wasted her weekly 2/6 sending me off to elocution lessons.
  
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  February 9, 2021 12:24pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not on radio, no.
    But I have had a number of a non-speaking parts on telly.
    
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    February 9, 2021 12:51pm
    - Inandout
      
      Maggie, I once played a non speaking part in a panto; I was a tree. I then of course branched out into speaking roles.
      
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      February 9, 2021 12:56pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Nearly got conned into something similar myself once ….
        they wanted me to play a root.
        
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        February 9, 2021 1:27pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        And I guarantee that you would have played the part admirably, Maggie. 😆 😆 😆
        
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        February 9, 2021 4:43pm
- Jack5
  
  Maggie, there are similarities between the NZ and South African accents, according to this from the Wikipedia entry on English-language accents:
  
  he New Zealand accent is most similar to Australian accents (particularly those of Victoria, Tasmania, New South Wales and South Australia) but is distinguished from these accents by the presence of three “clipped” vowels, slightly resembling South African English.
  
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  February 9, 2021 12:37pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Depending where we are, I often get mistaken for an upper-class Pom.
    
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    February 9, 2021 12:56pm
lazza

Yeah mate (MP) our accent is just so kool (Not!).

With our flattened vowels, imperceptible movement of the lips and strangled cat eee oooww sounds … stones and glasshouses?
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February 9, 2021 12:06pm
- MCos
  
  New Zealanders don’t have an accent when speaking English.
  Other people have accents.
  However.
  Kiwis have tended to snigger at Asians & other non English speakers speaking English. Often because there are no equivalent sounds in their language for some of our pronunciations.
  Of course the opposite thus applies which means we can sound like drongos when trying to speak Thai, for example.
  
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  February 9, 2021 1:11pm
  - Jack5
    
    Central Thai, a five-tone language, with non-Indo European grammar, must be hard for native English-language speakers to learn.
    
    I bet Thai people sometimes refer to Westerners struggling with their language as kwai (buffalo, apparently Thai for blockhead).
    
    But written Thai! Here’s the Wikipedia description of the Thai language:
    
    The Thai alphabet itself has 44 consonant symbols, 16 vowel symbols that combine into at least 32 vowel forms and four tone diacritics to create characters mostly representing syllables.
    
    Travel is the cure for prejudice against non-native speakers of your language.
    
    If you can’t travel, get on the Net and learn a language. Start at YouTube, then use one of the exchange services to link up with native speakers of the language you choose.
    
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    February 9, 2021 4:04pm
    - Jack5
      
      Just found this interesting video on Thai by a linguist who does good language videos on Youtube.
      
      https://youtu.be/CVsJ5-RBBW8
      
      She’s done one on Maori language, too (the focus on the language itself begins about 3.15 into the video – I found interesting the loss of consonants):
      
      https://youtu.be/Ko1BTSFdRGw
      
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      February 9, 2021 4:32pm
lazza

Newsflash: “Mass” ? evictions now underway in advance of Labours mindless new tenancy regs.

Well done Bozo Government. Another! policy screw up. Who elected this bunch of incompetents?

Did they not consider the possibility of their dopey new rules reducing – not increasing supply and reducing -not increasing rental stock on the market.

Answer: DOHH! & Nope!
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February 9, 2021 12:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/mike-lindell-releases-dangerous-new-high-capacity-assault-pillow?
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February 9, 2021 12:19pm
Don Beckett

Another instance in the “China is Arsehole” meme.
Putting Cheng Lei, an Australian citizen & jouranist on trial. Andrew Bolt has it :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUsntuFS3EY
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February 9, 2021 12:21pm
oldfella

Surprised we’re not talking about this local gem.
Major MIQ provider may not renew Government contract over staff abuse and damage to reputation
One of New Zealand’s biggest managed isolation and quarantine (MIQ) providers may not renew its Government contract over abuse of its staff and concerns about reputational damage.
The Sudima hotel chain supplies 653 rooms for MIQ facilities at hotels in Auckland, Christchurch and Rotorua, 15 per cent of the total capacity of 4500 rooms provided for MIQ around the country.
The company is considering bringing that provision to an end when its contract with the Government expires at the end of April.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300225228/major-miq-provider-may-not-renew-government-contract-over-staff-abuse-and-damage-to-reputation
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February 9, 2021 12:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Murder – 33 years ago

Men Arrested – 3.5 years ago

Trial starts today.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/124182443/red-fox-tavern-homicide-duo-on-trial-more-than-30-years-after-shooting-of-chris-bush
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February 9, 2021 1:03pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Have to wonder if facing the courts 33 years ago, or today, how differently they might fare in terms of terms of imprisonment, and time before able to apply for parole.
  Kelvin and Labour/Greens have compassionate love for any violent offender, even those who might have murdered even before Menendez-March was born!
  
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  February 9, 2021 2:57pm
Libertarians are right

I heard on the radio this morning that they were saying that Trump “inspired” the attacks on the Capitol. Have they realised that there is simply zero evidence that he “incited” it (given that there are plenty of actual legal definitions for that) and are now instead saying that he made people so angry that they decided to commit those crimes?

The thing about “inspired” rather than “incited” is that “inspired” denotes a choice by the rioters whereas “incited” denotes an active attempt to push the choice of the rioters.

It’s simply a joke and is similar to when they went after him for obstruction rather than actually what they were accusing him of.

It is entirely political weaponising of the law and it doesn’t matter whether you are for or against Trump, you should be against manipulation of the law to fight your political opponents.
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February 9, 2021 1:06pm
- Fletch
  
  Rand Paul makes the point that if they were to start going after speech, then Sen. Chuck Schumer should be impeached for language against Supreme Court Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch. Remember when Schumer assembled a crowd outside the Supreme Court and said, ““I want to tell you Gorsuch. I want to tell you Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHGrzoS9AbE
  
  Tell me how that wasn’t incitement? It was so bad he was even reprimanded by Supreme Court Justice John Roberts for his use of language.
  
  It could be argued that it’s because of what he said that protesters tried to enter the court and were physically pounding on the brass doors.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXN23fw7K8Q
  
  Protesters also ambushed senators in lifts, etc, screaming at them. Democrats even had disruptions from riotous protesters in the hearing chamber.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jid6XBaTGr8
  
  And protesters turned up to what they thought was Mitch McConnell’s house and tried to vandalize it. So tell me that what Schumer said had nothing to do with any of this, or how it was somehow not as bad as what Trump is accused of (but never did).
  
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  February 9, 2021 1:36pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Strange, then, that many of those arrested after the Capitol insurrection are claiming in their defence that they were urged to act by the president.
  
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  February 9, 2021 3:16pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, because they were mainly Antifa & BLM plants so they would say that to make Trump look bad. Any others were probably Trump supporters, but Red Necks who were there to crack a few skulls.
    
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    February 9, 2021 4:47pm
- doggone7
  
  Didn’t inspire them by spending weeks bellowing about election fraud and the election being stolen? Or by months before the election suggesting there was to be fraud, illegal voting and irregularities too?
  
  Inspired? Incited? Put the idea in their heads? Pedants can argue about what words to use, what happened or political weaponising of the law and manipulation of the law to fight political opponents.
  
  When the results are what happened it’s to be expected causes will be looked at.
  
  That could even see the same words being used: Trump “weaponised” the crowd and “manipulated” them to fight his poetical opponents. (Who on the day even included Mike Pence.)
  
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  February 9, 2021 4:49pm
Fletch

It looks like Biden will be putting through a $1.9 Trillion relief bill which has almost nothing to do with Covid. It’s pretty much just rewarding Democrat states, organisations and donors. This is on top of the trillion they haven’t spent yet….
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February 9, 2021 1:25pm
Loddenthinks

I note from $1uff the latest outrage – a Renwick resident has complained to the police, the Council and now to the Human Rights Commission about a private citizen who has painted something on the blade of his bulldozer and left it in plain view.

The “highly offensive” wording is: “ALM EQUAL RIGHTS FOR KIWI WHITES” and apparently that has caused one SJW-cum-snowflake’s head to explode. The concept that all lives matter and that white New Zealanders should be given equal rights is so inflammatory that the article in $1uff has a warning at the beginning: Warning: This story contains and offensive image.

There’s a photo of the bulldozer with the wording, which I personally find to be inoffensive, correct and timely. I can’t see for the life of me how anyone could believe the concept of equality, equal rights and that every life is precious to be “offensive” but then I read on and saw what they must have been referring to.

There’s a clip from a Red Radio piece with the image “Black Lives Matter movement has relevance in NZ” which is of course both offensive, and wrong (other than being relevant as a cautionary tale against mob justice, fascism and thuggery).

Further down there are two more highly offensive images – a photo of a mural in Oakland with George Floyd’s face and the words “George Floyd lives in us” and lastly a photo of BLM idiots marching down Lambton Quay last year. Most disagreeable.
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February 9, 2021 1:47pm
- Rich Prick
  
  You have to marvel at the left’s principles. 10 years ago it was equality for all, now it’s more equality for those they deem extra super-duper special. And to suggest we are all equal is racist, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, or fat shaming, or some such. I’ve given up even considering their stupid mantras.
  
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  February 9, 2021 4:29pm
- jonno69
  
  It wont matter how much preferential treatment they receive. They wont be happy till they own every thing and we are addressing them as missa massa.
  
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  February 9, 2021 5:10pm
rouppe

I don’t understand Grant Robertson.

“New Zealanders are seeing family members being crowded out of the opportunity to purchase a home of their own by speculators and investors,”

Ok, so investors are bad. Next sentence:

“We want to tilt the balance more towards first-home buyers, while also incentivising more investment in the construction of homes.”

So how do you incentivise investment unless you have, oh, what’s the word, oh yes, INVESTORS!

Guy I know just bought a property, in part because the section is big enough to put another house on it. So is he the bad investor or is he the good investor?

Labour are crazy. They don’t know what they’re doing
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February 9, 2021 1:48pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Robbo wasn’t around in the 1960’s when housing was really being built. The Ministry of Works provided practical plans, the Council Inspectors aided on site to facilitate as best they could. The Govt had printed a large work on housing construction for the DIY builder and banks lent on the plans for such projects.
  
  Many homes were built on a mutual help basis and no Qualified Builder was required. What skill one didn’t have another did. Those houses are still standing. I worked on three of them in the family.
  Once you got the levels right (the Council Inspector could help with that) the framing was fairly easy. Wood came by the truckload in random lengths and we picked it over for the use needed. That timber is now so hard the borer have to hold hands and nail holes need to be drilled. Often trade finishing carpenters did the closing stages but many young people earned serious sweat equity.
  
  Money was reasonably easy too with 3% being the interest rate for govt approved loans on startup houses. Deposits could be earned through the work to be personally carried out so a project could be got underway living in a retired bus on site.
  Ultimately I didn’t get my share of the home built but we got to purchase our state house using the Family Benefit as a deposit. The Govt also chipped in with a 7 year suspensory loan for a reasonable amount. That was not repayable if basic conditions were met.
  
  The MOW were probably the principal drivers behind the fabulous achievements of the period. Labour Governments have performed in the past but now it’s all talk without possibility.
  
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  February 9, 2021 6:22pm
BananaLlama

Luxton is done for. What an idiot.
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February 9, 2021 3:04pm
Maggie Pie

Caught a brief glimpse of Todd Muller in the Chamber during Q12.
Don’t know if anyone else noticed (?), but the poor guy looked extremely pale and quite unwell to me.
I’m just saying.
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February 9, 2021 3:22pm
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/02/08/south-dakota-bill-aims-nullify-joe-bidens-executive-orders/
South Dakota Bill Aims to Nullify Beijing Bidens EOs.

A legislative proposal in South Dakota’s House of Representatives seeks to give the state’s attorney general the authority to review presidential executive orders and possibly nullify those deemed unconstitutional.
“State Rep. Aaron Aylward (R-Harrisburg) introduced HB 1194, which is described as an act ‘to authorize the review of certain executive orders issued by the President of the United States,’” the Daily Wire reported Monday.
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February 9, 2021 3:30pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Being South Dakota, its probably to contest the EO of the cancellation of Keystone.
  
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  February 9, 2021 4:52pm
  - curry4me
    
    Don Beckett: Yes, I guess so. I hope SD wins all of its challenges. They could be in a bit of a bind though. Assuming the election was stolen none of the EOs are legal. However, it’s a good idea to oppose them when they’re wrong. And a good idea to give a rubbish anti-American administration a hard time.
    
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    February 9, 2021 6:52pm
- Inandout
  
  curry, I always imagined a President as being there is case of war, like deciding when to push the button. They are really figureheads and can sign as many scrapbooks as they like, but the real power still lies in the State legislature, which is why their Constitution is so important.
  
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  February 9, 2021 4:58pm
- Fletch
  
  I notice that whenever Trump issued an executive order that some random judge or other cancelled it out. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
  
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  February 9, 2021 6:29pm
  - MCos
    
    Someone has to have a reason to get it in front of a judge first.
    In Trump’s case that was often not to difficult & I’m sure folks will be lining up to challenge Biden too if there’s an opportunity.
    
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    February 9, 2021 8:20pm
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/02/08/british-universities-investigation-chinese-communist-party-report/

MI6 Investigates Universities CCP Ties.

Over a dozen British universities are reportedly under investigation by security services over their relationships with the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), which may have violated national security and human rights laws.
A report from the Mail on Sunday claimed that “some of the most prestigious universities in the country” are under investigation for allegedly sharing British technology with China and therefore may be subject to “enforcement notices” imposed by Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC).
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February 9, 2021 3:31pm
Jack5

Cats among the pigeon-esss …

Many women are reacting to Biden’s order to American schools calling on schools to allow transgender athletes to participate in the sport of their gender identity.

The view of Nikki Haley, former South Carolina governor and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations: “”Across the sporting world, the game is being rigged against women and in favour of biological men.”

Here’s a link to Fox News, seldom read or listened to by Kiwibloggers, but a source held in awe and veneration over at the Standard and in media reporter rooms throughout the country. ?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nikki-haley-criticizes-biden-executive-order-transgender-athletics
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February 9, 2021 3:51pm
- Swifty
  
  Trans now trumps feminism.
  
  Sorry about that ladies – and if of any consolation I think it appalling that this situation has been allowed to occur.
  
  To see various people campaigning for trans inclusion in sport with and against women where the trans folk retain all their masculine advantages is just wrong.
  
  I hope the fightback from women comes hard and fast. From where I sit I do see glimmers of hope these last 12 months or so.
  
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  February 9, 2021 4:21pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack, if it has got balls it is a man.
  
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  February 9, 2021 4:59pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis was saying they currently own 16 residential properties and her husband manages them all himself.
At one stage they had over 30.
The criteria they use for knowing when the time is right to either enter or exit the market, is to keep a close eye on what’s happening in Mt Eden.
Some of you may find that worth knowing…. (?)
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February 9, 2021 3:59pm
graham

I think Mallard’s going to have trouble with these two …

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/maori-party-co-leader-rawiri-waititi-enters-parliament-without-tie/DTX4KJIWICRTZTTDJ2X6B4MLUY/

Maori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi has been kicked out of the House by speaker Trevor Mallard after a disagreement about his attire.

Waititi entered Parliament without a tie today.

Speaker Trevor Mallard had told Waititi early in question time that he would not be allowed to speak if he was not wearing a tie.

Waititi said he was standing in the House wearing cultural attire. But Mallard said he was not convinced by the argument.

Apparently, the so-called “cultural attire” consisted of a traditional Māori necklace.

And in a move which must have really raised a few eyebrows, co-leader ‎Debbie Ngarewa-Packer WAS wearing a tie. The mind boggles.

I wonder how the people who voted for the Maori Party feel it’s going so far? If they want to make a stand over ties go for gold, but it doesn’t seem like the best use of their time in trying to achieve for their people.
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February 9, 2021 4:05pm
Swifty

I seem to remember Hone Harawira performing similar antics when he first went to Wellington – and forever more wearing his tie in a incompete fashion as some sort of protest.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300225643/mori-party-coleader-rawiri-waititi-kicked-out-of-house-for-refusal-to-wear-a-tie

Rawiri Waititi pulling the same publicity-seeking stunts.

I could pull out the old argument of “well Rawiri you knew the rules before you entered parliament….” but I won’t as I know it never makes a blind bit of difference to these types.

They’re special you see. They’re on a mission for ‘their people’. They won’t rest until the whole world is turned upside down and in their favour.

I say it now and I say it clear to all who will listen – this current Maori Party crop are a waste of space and people who voted for them have done the country a disservice.

It will be all steam and no hangi.
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February 9, 2021 4:09pm
- Cobolt24
  
  They just don’t have the cultural expertise challenging the role of being a member of parliament.
  
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  February 9, 2021 5:13pm
- graham
  
  Yep.
  
  As I said above, pulling these kinds of stunts really doesn’t seem like the best use of their time.
  
  They campaigned on some pretty ambitious promises – demanding 25% of all Covid-19 recovery funds for Maori resourcing and Maori-led businesses; demanding a $100M fund for Maori sports and development; establishing a Maori Health Funding Authority, putting Maori in control of the health spend for Maori, with a budget of $5 billion; implementing a Maori Health Card; establishing a Maori Parliament; returning conservation land to Maori; to list but a few.
  
  And here they are, throwing tantrums about whether Rawiri Waititi should have to wear a tie.
  
  How they think this is going to help them to achieve any of the promises they’ve made, I have no idea …
  
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  February 9, 2021 5:41pm
lazza

Yep back bench Todd Muller in the chamber … joined by (on the other side) … a very! recently greyed Nashie.

Hope he is not seriously unwell. Good guy.

If you listen to Hosk am Wednesday you’ll know why he is aging.

Mitch and Hosk moider him … on a weekly basis. A listenership of 750,000. Collins would like the spot .. so why not!!

Just saying

Nash was always was in the wrong party. His defences of the government mad policies are far from convincing.
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February 9, 2021 4:15pm
- Inandout
  
  lazza, and Nashy uses the term ‘incredible’ or ‘incredibly hard’ when referring to various Ministers’ workload. Of course he knows it is bullshit.
  
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  February 9, 2021 4:54pm
Inandout

Maggie, I remember once as a kid accompanying my grandfather as he went around his many Parnell and Orakei properties collecting the rent in cash. Were those properties still in our family’s possession they would be worth many millions. He used money from his lawyer’s trust accounts to finance each property, and though the interest rate was higher, the money was easily obtained.
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February 9, 2021 4:50pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Cash seems to be a thing of the past these days I&O
  My partner inherited a few commercial properties from his grandad and they run like a dream. Hardly goes near them except for the odd drive by. Tenants pay all the outgoings and some have spent a fortune on fit outs. And never had a missed lease payment. If it wasn’t for the capital gains most people wouldn’t touch residential.
  
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  February 9, 2021 7:50pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Those lawyers’ nominee companies ran very well. The overhead expenses of running one in 2021 is just far too onerous.
  For the benefit of the young; estates and others could place funds on an interest bearing investment via a nominee company mortgage. They went very well for many years, but then the ethical standard of new entrants to the law profession; the sort of people who changed it from a profession into an industry, went on to wreck the concept of of a nominee company mortgage. Industrialists had the nominee companies invest in lending propositions that professionals would never ever touch. RESULT. A complete stuff up.
  
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  February 9, 2021 9:48pm
Inandout

The good Father surely wasn’t referring to the likes of our princess?

‘Pope Francis condemned political cults of personality and said mature democracies must ensure the rule of law prevails over political interests, in what was widely interpreted as a condemnation of populism.

“The development of a democratic consciousness demands that emphasis on individual personalities be overcome and that respect for the rule of law prevail,” the head of the Roman Catholic Church said on Monday, in an annual speech to ambassadors accredited to the Vatican’.
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February 9, 2021 5:45pm
- Don Beckett
  
  I hate to say it, but dear Pope Francis talks out both sides of his mouth. He is a enigma to most Catholics.
  
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  February 9, 2021 10:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is the ‘America’ that today’s Democrats want to send down the shitter because of the establishment greed. Left or rght – patriots are patriots.
Fuck you anti Americans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1fihSpdEx8
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February 9, 2021 6:05pm
Maggie Pie

Ma just txt to say she’d been watching some of the maiden speeches.

She reckons ACT’s heyday is well and truly in the past.
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February 9, 2021 6:14pm
- rockape
  
  Saw the same and have to agre. ACT is a one horse or maybe One and a half if you count the deputy leader . Next election they will be back to one MP and that will be if National gift them and that horse may have bolted.
  
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  February 9, 2021 8:40pm
Jack5

The PR queen …

There she is on Aljazeera tonight. Jacinderella and the NZ Sign interpreter talking to the world as the TV channel hailed New Zealand as the first country to take action against the Burma/Myanmar military.

Definition:

Grandiosity (Psychiatry). An exaggerated belief or claims of one’s importance or identity, manifest by delusions of wealth, power, or fame.

Do we buy anything from Myanmar? Decades ago there were Burma cheroots, great little thin cigars. Perhaps the part of Burma/Myanmar that’s in the Golden Triangle supplies New Zealand crooks with narcotics.
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