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CJames

Noticed that the left wing parties overseas label anything vaguely conservative as nationalism, probably with a capital N – trying to give word association with Nazis? It is starting to happen here too. Look at the left wing blogs. Though some call it popularism, implying giving voters policies they want is seedy. Winston Peters has a lot to answer for. It is almost the elites that populate the government are scared the voters want to do reactionary things like carry on calling here New Zealand. This trend of equating sensible right wing policies with fascists is just the latest play in the anywhere vrs somewhere; elites vrs hoi polloi battle. In the left’s eyes, the only acceptable lower middle class or Maori are those that vote Labour. The last thing they want is for people to have their own opinions that don’t conform with identity politics. Look at the namecalling the British Labour Party have called their ex-voters in the former Red Wall electorates. Can Sikhs or Jamacians really be white supremicists?
Pride in one’s country is not fascist – nor is flying the NZ flag as the only flag on the flagpole. It is not nationalism to be unhappy with the government’s policies, like the Maori wards. People can be very patriotic in their views yet not threaten anyone, except maybe a hypersensitive wokester. There was a good article in Unherd, a website with articles by a variety of authors which is a lot more thought provoking than anything that is put out here. Ed West even manages to appropriately quote George Orwell. To quote him:
“This argument was most strongly articulated by Orwell, who famously distinguished between the two in his 1945 essay Notes on Nationalism, in words which are often treated like gospel. Patriotism, he wrote, was “devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.” “
Why nationalism matters – UnHerd
Reading the Orwell definition above, it is probably quite correct now to call the left wing parties wanting change nationalists. I wonder how they will react?
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February 6, 2021 8:00am
- New Zealander
  
  I’m a Conservative and a Nationalist.
  
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  February 6, 2021 4:11pm
CJames

Has anyone noticed the liberal news media don’t call out AOC (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez) a radical socialist US Democrat rep, on her claim that she was threatened by the mob that invaded the Capitol building? This is a modern version of Faafoi and McDonalds’ openings. She wasn’t in that building but another one that wasn’t invaded. When caught out, she has all these media and “fact” checkers like Snopes organisations defend her, but the tag ”#AlexandriaOcasioSmollett “ will probably stick.
AOC blasted for exaggerating Capitol riot experience (nypost.com)
This is straight after accusing Senator Cruz of wanting her killed. Of course AOC doesn’t reference what Cruz said, because it doesn’t exist. The threat only is there in her mind, as there was nothing he did or said that was remotely threatening.
Rep. wants AOC apology for Ted Cruz ‘almost had me murdered’ tweet (nypost.com)
Twisting facts (the more charitable version of calling it lying) to cast oneself in a sympathetic light never works out in the long run. Ask Ms Turei.
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February 6, 2021 8:00am
- SB2
  
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  CJ James,
  
  Always a busy task cleaning up factual errors and messes that Trump supporters leave behind
  
  But a rewarding one.
  
  Ocasio-Cortez didn’t lie about location during Capitol riot
  
  CLAIM: U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a Democrat from New York, falsely claimed she faced rioters in the main Capitol building during the Jan. 6 insurrection.
  
  AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Ocasio-Cortez never claimed she was in the main Capitol building, nor did she claim she was face-to-face with a mob of violent rioters. In an Instagram Live video about the riots, she explained that she was in her office in a neighboring building on the Capitol complex, where she experienced a frightening encounter with a Capitol police officer who she said didn’t announce himself.
  
  https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9951968706
  
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  February 6, 2021 1:04pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Alloytoo’s assessment of AP’s Factcheck.
    
    “Mostly False”
    
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    February 6, 2021 2:14pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Trump still has free residence in SB2’s head.
      
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      February 6, 2021 2:52pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “never claimed she was in the main Capitol building,”
    When asked she claimed she “was there” …so. since the questioner was talking about the Capitol building, we can assume, (unless she is prematurely senile) she was also talking about the capitol building.
    “Instagram Live video about the riots, she explained that she was in her office in a neighboring building on the Capitol complex,”
    AFTER here false claims. and now trying to walk it back after several house members called her on it.
    Like when Clinton claimed she “landed under sniper fire”
    Finally the Capitol Police officer, according to others in that building announced himself in the proper manner.
    Lie upon lie upon lie, to cover for the first series of lies.
    
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    February 6, 2021 2:26pm
    - kevn
      
      @RW… A familiar story, lies.
      
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      February 6, 2021 4:42pm
  - CJames
    
    As usual stephie, you did not read what was written. And relying on biased factcheckers shows your lack of intellectual horsepower.
    At the time, AOC sent out “Wednesday was an extremely traumatizing event and it is not an exaggeration to say that many many members of the House were nearly assassinated. It’s just not an exaggeration to say that at all,” she said.
    “We were very lucky that things happened within certain minutes that allowed members to escape the House floor unharmed. But many of us narrowly escaped death,” she continued.
    She was actually in her office in another building that had no threat – that is lying by omission. If she had put that piece of information in her original claims, then it would have cast things in a different light.
    I note no mention of the Cruz death threat. Your silence is telling.
    
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    February 6, 2021 2:28pm
- David George
  
  Breaking News:
  TIME Magazine Claims An Elite Cabal Conspired To Stop Trump From Winning, Manipulating Laws And News. They celebrate the news as though defenders of Democracy saved the day. They call it the Shadow Campaign that “saved” the 2020 election.
  
  Democrat elites, Political insiders, Corporate Media, and Big Tech moguls are said to have been involved in a “cabal” in order to protect the “proper outcome” of the election.
  
  While they claim they did not explicitly want to stop Trump from winning, because of course they can’t say that, they claim they were fighting against Trump’s disinformation
  
  What is revealing is how Democrat lawyer Marc Elias is now claiming votes were not read by voting machines properly in a much similar way that Trump and his allies claimed, though not completely the same.
  
  The game is rigged by a cabal of powerful elites to ensure the winner of our election was their preferred winner. And that is not my opinion, its the claim by TIME Magazine
  https://youtu.be/0BEHO08r67U
  
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  February 6, 2021 1:16pm
  - RichardX
    
    Did you read the article?
    
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    February 6, 2021 2:42pm
    - David George
      
      Yes Richard, I posted a link to it as well, that seems to have disappeared.
      It was written by Pelosi biographer Molly Ball. These are her words.
      “a well funded cabal of powerful people….working behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information”
      Here is an examination of the essay and the broader implications arising from it.
      https://youtu.be/0cw03E2eoQU
      
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      February 6, 2021 9:39pm
  - RichardX
    
    David George
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    The game is rigged by a cabal of powerful elites to ensure the winner of our election was their preferred winner. And that is not my opinion, its the claim by TIME Magazine
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    FEBRUARY 6, 2021 1:16PM
    
    This is a complete misrepresentation..
    
    This is worse than the claim by KOB yesterday that there are 30,000+ troops currently in DC.
    He couldn’t provide evidence but you have blatantly lied about the contents of the article
    
    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
    
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    February 6, 2021 3:02pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Yes, pretty brazen. The Time article is an outright admission, a big F – you! An explication of everything that has been alleged by Trump and so many others, where by the act of massaging the language they get to call it something other than it was. “Fortifying democracy” by conspiring to rig against Trump, the “danger to democracy” who stood up against the entire establishment, the true, oh-so-noble self-described guardians of democracy. It all transcends parody really.
    
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    February 6, 2021 4:41pm
Tomtoddy

I see we pay the head of NIWA $13,750 a week to tell us we have a climate emergency. I wish I could get money like that for making up BS.

The Ferald accuses him of not following Jacinda’s instructions to take a pay cut during Covid. Obviously he couldnt afford to.
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February 6, 2021 8:10am
- MCos
  
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  I don’t think NIWA makes up bullshit; or is it John Morgan’s salary that annoys you?
  
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  February 6, 2021 8:33am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I could probably survive on that money even if my job truly was life & death…
  
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  February 6, 2021 8:48am
- Inandout
  
  Tom, every covid cloud has a silver iodide lining.
  
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  February 6, 2021 8:49am
- Lance
  
  Did Cindy et al actually take the pay cut in the end?
  Last I heard they were still making excuses
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:13am
  - sooty
    
    They are always using excess to cover their failings!
    
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    February 6, 2021 2:31pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Same as BOM B… of meteorolgy in OZ.
  All been politicised and therefore compromised.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2014/aug/27/climate-sceptics-see-a-conspiracy-in-australias-record-breaking-heat
  https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/climate/heat-on-bureau-of-meteorology-over-data-records-rewrite/news-story/30c0bc68e582feb2828915e172702bd1
  
  Nothing new, The data has to fit the narritive..
  
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  February 6, 2021 6:14pm
JibberJabber

NZ politics in the 21st Century an era of Equality, Diversity, Opportunity and … er…Progress?

So a female MP tells another female MP that she’s not allowed to speak because she’s a female.
You can’t make this shit up

No wonder this country is seen as a joke by persons with functioning brain stems.
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February 6, 2021 8:11am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Just to correct that
  
  a wrong-coloured female
  
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  February 6, 2021 4:22pm
Charmaine Hawke

So apparently if you are trying to protect an election it is OK to rig it, or something
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
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February 6, 2021 8:18am
jon

Waitangi Day..ah what a YAWN!!!
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February 6, 2021 8:24am
Maggy Wassilieff

A few years back a couple of commenters on Kiwiblog reckoned that Kea was a Christchurch Physicist/mathematician – Dr Marni Sheppeard… whether that was true or not, I never knew.
(Although Marni Sheppeard had commented on some theoretical physics sites under the nom-de-plume Kea.)

The point of this post:
Marni Sheppeard has been reported as missing since Nov 19th.

https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-christchurch/help-sought-find-missing-christchurch-woman
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February 6, 2021 8:31am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Last seen in November and only reported missing since January. Last seen ‘heading into the mountains’ wearing a t-shirt. Not good.
  
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  February 6, 2021 8:48am
- cmm
  
  Well she’s clever enough to understand the benefits of PLBs so I assume she intends/intended not to be found.
  
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  February 6, 2021 8:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well, that’s true.
    
    But as she’s been lost in the mountains before, she well knows search parties will come looking for her.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cramped-cold-and-clinging-to-life-a-story-of-survival/CFBVE23AHTWLSPRRFYU2ZEKJHI/
    
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    February 6, 2021 8:57am
    - cmm
      
      “lost” or lost?
      
      I can’t understand how anyone with that much experience (and is risk adverse enough to consider cars dangerous) does not carry a PLB.
      
      Even if you do not carry a PLB for your own sake, carry one for the sake of your rescuers.
      
      PLBs reduce the risks that search and rescue must take to find you. To go into the mountains without a PLB shows blatant disregard for these people.
      
      If your intention is to get “lost” and never come back then leave a note.
      
      I fail to have any respect for people who go into the mountains without a PLB, especially when they have experience and should know better.
      
      Searcher’s Lives Matter!
      
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      February 6, 2021 9:09am
      - Jack5
        
        If ?Kea didn’t have a locator beacon with her it would have probably been because she couldn’t afford it.
        
        Marni Sheppeard last year was living pretty much hand-to-mouth in in hostel-type digs, at least part of the time in Christchurch. She was still preoccupied with her quest for a breakthrough in string theory.
        
        Instead of a poet in a garret she was a physicist in a hostel.
        
        Here’s a post from Kea in General Debate on 24 September 24, 2014, which affirms she liked to get into the mountains (she’s sparring with an eccentric, marijuana-enthusiast Global Warming theory believer who was one of the more prickly posters in those times):
        
        Griff, I am sorry it is not warmer too. I share your pain. I had to cancel a trip into the mountains last weekend because of the unseasonal snow. The place looks like a wedding cake now.
        
        Kea was a debunker of the Global Climate Change panic.
        
        Kea could be a pain, extreme and sharp at times, such as in her views of Jews and Israel, but she more often was witty, sometimes extremely witty.
        
        I don’t know whether she was ultimately banned from Kiwiblog, or whether she got tired from regular temporary suspensions.
        
        I think Kea has posted on YSB since it was set up.
        
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        February 6, 2021 10:01am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Jack5, Kea has posted on YSB in late January, so is not likely to be the physicist who went climbing in November-never-to-be-seen. The anti-intellectual Holocaust denial and jumping at any chance to denounce the Jews (and not holding back) shows more of a central obsession with this topic, than with string theory.
        So wipe away those tears, and no need to eulogise over what a great bird ‘he’ was.
        MW – these dates would be clear to you as well, as a YSB reader. Are you seriously trying to entertain that these are one and the same person?
        
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        February 6, 2021 3:44pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        MW – these dates would be clear to you as well, as a YSB reader. Are you seriously trying to entertain that these are one and the same person?
        
        I have no knowledge as to Kea’s identity apart from what has been suggested on KB.
        
        Until Kea appeared on YSB today, I had no recollection when (s)he last commented on that site… I don’t comment there on a regular basis..
        
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        February 6, 2021 9:41pm
    - Swifty
      
      And having a hard time of late it seems:
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110053022/street-sisters-christchurch-womens-experience-of-homelessness
      
      My best wishes to her – I hope she comes out of this ok.
      
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      February 6, 2021 9:52am
      - Jack5
        
        She has survived in the mountains before:
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cramped-cold-and-clinging-to-life-a-story-of-survival/CFBVE23AHTWLSPRRFYU2ZEKJHI/
        
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        February 6, 2021 10:06am
- mandk
  
  Kea gave the game away when she posted a comment on this site once, mourning the passing of a physicist, whom probably no one outside the discipline would ever have heard of.
  
  I hope Kea is safe, even though she has some pretty objectionable views about Jews.
  
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  February 6, 2021 9:03am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    The Mossad probably got her.
    
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    February 6, 2021 10:37am
    - Jack5
      
      What is she is Mossad?
      
      Good cover — crazy but bright physicist in remote, distant New Zealand, slating Jews and Israel.
      
      Actually, it would be better if Mossad had got Kea into Teheran rather than her being in trouble in the Southern Alps. ?
      
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      February 6, 2021 2:30pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Kea works in Wellington, based on repeated comments on YSB. Unlikely to be ‘missing Christchurch woman’ IMO, not in the least as has already been pointed out,” our” Jew-fixated Kea has been posted on YSB quite recently.
    I am sure this will give him a chuckle, to be both infamous and the subject of rumour and speculation.
    
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    February 6, 2021 3:53pm
- pdm
  
  Kea the commenter is now over terrorising YSB.
  
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  February 6, 2021 9:38am
- SB2
  
  Kea remarks on the latest,
  
  Kea February 6, 2021 At 11:29 am
  
  Marni is very unwell mentally.
  
  https://ysb.co.nz/have-your-say-662/
  
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  February 6, 2021 1:09pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Be a good mate for you, SB2.
    
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    February 6, 2021 2:59pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      I was led to believe StephieBoy (SB2) was the inspiration for the Blog title “You Stupid Boy”(YSB), as it was formed by a former Kiwiblog poster?
      
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      February 6, 2021 3:48pm
Happychappy

I would rather have a leader like Judith Collins with no cultural experience than a fowl mouth troll like Marama Davidson with very little knowledge of political nous. This excuse for a leader and nieve politician uses race more often than not to argue her points.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/02/judith-collins-not-interested-in-marama-davidson-s-criticism-after-accusation-of-meddling-with-marae-protocol.html
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February 6, 2021 8:34am
Maggy Wassilieff

I was wrong about our PM attending Waitangi this year.

I must admit my imagination never stretched to considering how a sweetener of $150M could pacify discontented folk.
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February 6, 2021 8:38am
- gravedodger
  
  That is one hell of an admission price, glad it was such a short visit eh!
  
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  February 6, 2021 8:42am
- Ruahine
  
  Maggy.
  A $150,000,000 is a lot of money. Me thinks that it should probably last almost a year.
  
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  February 6, 2021 8:42am
  - pdm
    
    One thing is for certain – the `so called’ poor and needy will not see any of it.
    
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    February 6, 2021 1:09pm
- MCos
  
  Would those discontented folk be America’s Cup Event Limited?
  
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  February 6, 2021 9:01am
  - Inandout
    
    MC, the cup funding may return some money, the Waitangi spray just ends up in a black hole.
    
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    February 6, 2021 12:05pm
- Sacha
  
  I could be pacified with $150k . . . . . .
  
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  February 6, 2021 9:54am
- niggly
  
  Maggy, actually you were “half-right” because the PM didn’t attend the important welcome ceremony at the lower Te Tii marae on the first day (morning), where she would have met protesters (which Labour stage-handlers were obviously trying to avoid).
  
  As we know she turned up later that day (and I don’t recall a reason being given) and then of course Labour announced its latest bribe ($150M)!
  
  I do wonder though, is Labour’s latest bribe coming from their $10B Covid “slush fund”?
  
  After all they announced a day or so ago that the $50M community journalism funding would come from the $10B Covid “slush fund”, again demonstrating that Labour are using taxpayer money for non-Covid issues and are “buying” support. I wonder why isn’t this being called out as being “corruption” by the MSM and leftie online media writers?
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:05am
- IC5000
  
  > I must admit my imagination never stretched to considering how a sweetener of $150M could pacify discontented folk
  
  For $150m I would even vote for ACT.
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:18am
- oldgolfer
  
  I heard she was running the bbq. Trust no gas involved.
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:40am
  - Jack5
    
    Clarke, the First Bloke, is filleting the fish.
    
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    February 6, 2021 2:26pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Heard a “newshub” news item this AM referencing the “first child” then ardern rabbits on about neve sitting on a “new friend’s knee”.
      
      Referencing the family on Kiwiblog is frowned upon and usually deleted with a warning but it’s ok for the media to rattle on with this “first family” crap and ardern to push her kid to the fore when she needs a positive soundbite or image.
      
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      February 6, 2021 2:52pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  I was told she was not very popular in the North, while I was up there for 175th anniversary of Ruapekapeka ahead of Waitangi weekend. I didn’t sense any feelings of fandom that she was coming especially.
  She was called out by name by one of the few nutcase radicals which tried to loudly hijack the commemorations when cameras were rolling.
  
  I don’t think Maori automatically care as much for the cult-of-Jacinda as some Pakeha mums. She doesn’t represent their aspirations at all.
  But yes, the ‘hold me to account when I return to Waitangi’ comment she made was not going to work out well, so a big sack of money was the surefire way to instantly smooth over any percieved non-delivery for Maori.
  
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  February 6, 2021 4:01pm
JibberJabber

Bat sheeit insane,
https://twitter.com/dejatheviewpod/status/1357734258413076480
Gotta stop being polite to these loons, you can’t engage or appease them, the only way to stop this insanity is to repopularise the phrases GFed, GFY, and GTFO.
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February 6, 2021 8:38am
cmm

Lobotomised Leftie Logic at work:

Antarctic returnees from USA can’t visit NZ, but Kiwis can come in with no quarantine.

There is no science supporting this. It’s all about the feelz.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124168985/hundreds-of-cashedup-covidfree-americans-cannot-holiday-in-new-zealand-after-antarctic-posting
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February 6, 2021 8:47am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is the same logic that has seasonal workers from Tonga where there is no covid put into quarantine hotels for 14 days. In which they could catch covid.
  
  The problem with the Left is lack of lateral thinking. The same thinking that says “gas bad”. Let’s be the only country in the world to ban gas while it is forecast to be a booming fuel globally over the next three decades. What could possibly be wrong with that?
  
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  February 6, 2021 8:53am
- MCos
  
  If they came here someone else would complain because they did and someone else couldn’t.
  
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  February 6, 2021 9:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Anti American Govt
  
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  February 6, 2021 9:18am
  - Ruawai
    
    No our government love American Government now Biden is in and Trump is out.
    
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    February 6, 2021 9:19am
    - niggly
      
      I suspect Labour will be playing down that that they love the Biden Government and won’t say much about it (apart from “climate change”) and probably wish they can hide in a hole somewhere … in case “Creepy” asks “Cindy” to send Kiwi troops in support of their “next war in the Middle East”?!!!
      
      Imagine that, Jacinda Ardern could transform into a “Tony Blair”, look how that turned out!
      
      But no problem, Labour’s handlers are digging the hole for them to hide away in as we speak, to ensure that the PM doesn’t have to answer Joe’s phone call!
      
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      February 6, 2021 10:51am
  - cmm
    
    But Joe’s our most awesomous friend. Cindy sez so!
    
    I don’t get this bit:
    A day or two ago, Yanks that we don’t want, and should be kicked out, are staying because they say going back to USA without a vaccine is endangering their lives.
    -but-
    But today, Yanks that we do want, and should be staying. are kicked out because ???????
    
    LLL at work!
    
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    February 6, 2021 9:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Cindy might sez so, but away from the media she is quite a handful from what I hear.
      Pathological liar
      
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      February 6, 2021 10:50am
- Nickc2
  
  Maybe they should apply to go fruit picking and then not show up when their visa expires? Isn’t that how the Pacific Islanders do it?
  
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  February 6, 2021 9:20am
- redflagged
  
  Another dumb decision from a labour government out of their depth. 3 years and counting.
  
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  February 6, 2021 9:27am
mandk

About 70 countries have started COVID vaccination programmes.

I’m so glad Hopkins and Ardern got us to the front of the queue’.

We wouldn’t want to be near the back.
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February 6, 2021 8:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hopkins – love it.
  Hip hops all over the place
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:51am
- kevn
  
  mandk… cinders, ash and hoppy… The new NZ squad?
  
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  February 6, 2021 12:11pm
Justitia

The Earth is now cooling. In 2020 we entered the Grand Solar Minimum, the largest since the Maunder Minimum of 1645-1710 which marked one of the coldest phases of the Little Ice Age (1350-1850 approx.). Northern hemisphere temperatures were 1.4C lower than today during that time which was sufficient to regularly freeze major rivers like the Thames in winter and impact agriculture causing widespread crop failures.

Temperatures during the current Minimum which is predicted to continue until 2053 will drop by at least 1C. The most intense period of the Minimum is expected to run from 2031-2043. A drop in global temperatures of this order will have a huge impact on food supplies – the world should be preparing now for how to deal with the prospect of mass famine and other serious disruptions. The science is set out in this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7575229/

Meanwhile New Zealand is preparing to destroy its agricultural sector? That is criminal stupidity.
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February 6, 2021 8:59am
- freemark
  
  Ahhh yes. Now “they” know it’s cooling, they need to quickly get the programs going & will take the credit.
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  the world should be preparing now for how to deal with the prospect of mass famine and other serious disruptions.
  
  Could explain why Bill Gates has been buying up farms in the USA
  
  https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bill-gates-is-now-the-largest-farmland-owner-in-america-11610818582#:~:text=Gates'%20portfolio%20comprises%20about%20242%2C000,tracks%20the%20nation's%20biggest%20landowners.
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:04am
  - Jack5
    
    Gates buys land: looks like we’re on a path to a new feudalism.
    
    Technology oligarchs are grabbing assets as they erode the middle class with globalisation of other industry.
    
    In little ways we peasants can resist: Linux instead of Windows, LibreOffice instead of Microsoft Office. ✊?
    
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    February 6, 2021 10:24am
  - SB2
    
    MW, it will be safe to assume that Bill Gates will attempt to introduce environmentally more freindly more sustainable farming practices,
    
    https://www.agriculture.com/farm-management/farm-land/bill-gates-is-about-to-change-the-way-amer-ca-farms
    
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    February 6, 2021 1:29pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I should think so..
      since he’s heavily invested in Monsanto..
      and has always been an advocate for GM crops.
      
      https://www.france24.com/en/20191023-bill-gates-is-continuing-the-work-of-monsanto-vandana-shiva-tells-france-24-1
      
      No wonder the Greenies loathe him.
      
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      February 6, 2021 2:31pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Have a look at this–Gate’s interests are far more extensive and controlling.
        https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/bill-gates-neo-feudalism-farmer-bill/
        
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        February 6, 2021 6:22pm
- Jimbob
  
  Correct Justitia, inflation is coming. Climate crap and cold temperatures, will cause shortages in fuel meaning over $100/bl. for oil. Which forces the price of everything up, this is not going to end well. Again NZ will be shooting itself in the foot, people need to be prepared for this. Anyone like blackouts in winter?
  Commodities are only just starting their bull run, happy days for farmers. Labour is just going to take wealth from farmers, which affects NZ’s GDP.
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:35am
  - kowtow
    
    And what do we do ?
    
    Ban exploration and close refineries and mines .
    
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    February 6, 2021 7:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t worry about 2053. We only have 10 years left now according to AOC and Greta
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:54am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  “Meanwhile New Zealand is preparing to destroy its agricultural sector? That is criminal stupidity.” – Farmers voted Labour. So let them get what they deserve.
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:43am
  - gravedodger
    
    You can retire that fable Sidekick, I am in contact with a lot of “Farmers ” and they would have cut of their writing hand rather than tick the Great Communicator, some of the Wimmin folks and workers maybe but Farmers never!
    
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    February 6, 2021 1:27pm
  - Bob
    
    I’ve explained this before for you SCS.
    The Rural Citizens dependent upon farmers were the ones who voted the Rural electorates into Marxism. They were not bright enough to see that a vote for Labour was NOT going to keep the Greens out of Govt. Adern implied as much; and true to the form of a duplicitous person she appointed Shaw as Environment minister.
    
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    February 6, 2021 2:38pm
  - andydownhere
    
    As a farmer I didnt vote for Labour. Those farmers who fell for Cindy’s spell stand up and be counted. You idiots. A vote to stop the Greens, well we have the Greens, in ministerial postions.
    
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    February 6, 2021 3:56pm
- SB2
  
  Justiita , lets stick to the science please ,
  
  A grand solar minimum would barely make a dent in human-caused global warming
  
  What The Science Says:
  
  Peer-reviewed research, physics, and math all tell us that a grand solar minimum would have no more than a 0.3°C cooling effect, barely enough to put a dent in human-caused global warming.
  
  https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=448
  
  Also should be useful to check out national’s spoke person on Climate change , Scott Morrsion
  
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  February 6, 2021 1:21pm
  - theoldbloke
    
    The science says seems not to be a good predictor…
    Last century the science on global warming was saying Manhattan under water by 2020.
    
    So am using crystal ball and gypsy fortune tellers instead of science says for better predictions of the future.
    
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    February 6, 2021 2:12pm
  - Justitia
    
    Sadly there is no monolithic podium of truth known as “The Science” SB2, what a happy simple world you must live in. Zharkova’s paper makes clear that a significant reduction in the solar magnetic field is predicted to intensify the cooling resulting from the decrease in solar radiation. The idea that human contributions to the level of the trace gas CO2 outweigh the influence of the Sun, as your cited article suggests, is utterly fatuous.
    
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    February 6, 2021 2:46pm
- Master Mariner
  
  By That stage the issue will be cooling.
  The problem will be all white skinned people are not absorbing the Sun and reflecting too much,
  Go Figure,
  There’s a heads for you . Fixed the headlines and science for you in 30 yrs time.
  
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  February 6, 2021 6:35pm
mandk

Question of the day: Why is NZ about to resume taking in refugees, when returning citizens are having to wait in a queue for months for places in MIQ?
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February 6, 2021 9:08am
- niggly
  
  The latest refugees won’t believe their luck – the government will provide them “$1 million dollar ” houses, for free!
  
  (Talk about going from zero to “millionaire” just about overnight)!
  
  Well assuming they can find some as we have a housing stock crisis! Perhaps reality for these new folk may be living in a motel for years?
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:13am
  - niggly
    
    Hmm had a thought after posting that. If the new refugees were to be housed in motels (like the homeless are), then after a year or so they might qualify for the brand new state-of-the art Social Housing that are being built!
    
    Rather than be housed in old houses like previous refugees were? If so that’s nice for them, but means more new social housing isn’t available for NZ’s unemployed and poor year upon year, upon year). Can the Labour Party please clarify what the situation will be … yeah/nah?
    
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    February 6, 2021 10:30am
  - lilman
    
    Are people aware that under the UN refugee system each refugee is by law allowed to bring 24…yes 24 other with them?
    These have to be housed and supported by the government that allows then in.
    Lol, this system is a joke,but who’s laughing?
    
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    February 6, 2021 12:51pm
    - A Pascoe
      
      This is just plainly made up. Even when Winston Peters was around he made up a smaller number. Fact is that the family reunification number was raised to 600 people per year. So with a quota of 1500 that’s actually just 0.4 family members per refugee.
      
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      February 7, 2021 9:56am
- ISeeRed
  
  Great. More hungry mouths to feed. We’re only tens of billions in debt already.
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So they can vote??
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:55am
  - A Pascoe
    
    Only half can. The rest are children… so not sure that extra 750 lockstep Labour voters will matter when they got 1.4m at the last election and we got 738k.
    
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    February 7, 2021 11:19am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Golriz aunty says that is the right thing to do. So zip it and pay your taxes to support these refugees as they will be contributing members of the communist regime of aunty Ardern.
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:45am
- Master Mariner
  
  Still impossible for me to get a spot at short notice in MIQ
  Offshore Myanmar, Flights will resume soon. No chance for me to get home as can not pre book MIQ for an unknown date?
  No sensible response from MNZ and MBIE. Just auto generated responses.
  Will be some thing on news and radio soon.
  Keeping supply chains running sure ain’t a high priority for this government.
  Movie stars and refugees are apparently.
  Have a professional and moral obligation keeping supply chains running.
  Unfortunately the good will is running out with seaman such as myself.
  
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  February 6, 2021 6:54pm
Mags

I see a story rapidly being hidden away at the herald about NZ taking refugees in again. They will come in through MIQ and then be located around the country.

A few questions that the feckless media fail to ask:
How many kiwis have missed spots in MIQ?
When we have a housing shortage and can’t even house our own people where will these news arrivals live?
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February 6, 2021 9:10am
- Mags
  
  And the link
  
  Govt restarts its refugee resettlement programme after Covid-19 shutdown
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12419341
  
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  February 6, 2021 9:20am
  - Jack5
    
    They will nearly all be Muslim refugees.
    
    The civil servants who manage our refugee intakes stick with the UN discrimination against Christian refugees. Maybe they are Muslims themselves.
    
    https://nzcatholic.org.nz/2017/03/20/iraqs-christian-refugees-face-double-discrimination/
    
    Happens in other Western countries, too:
    
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12796/britain-christian-refugees
    
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    February 6, 2021 10:20am
    - SB2
      
      Jack5, absolute nonsense. Especially the fact you have not lifted a finger for Christian refugee advocacy.
      
      So sad!
      
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      February 6, 2021 1:40pm
      - Jack5
        
        Mmm. Better attempt ??
        
        As rostered-on Stephieboy today, we have someone beginning to get a grip on English grammar. Stephiestani schooling topped off at finishing school in suburban Auckland.
        
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        February 6, 2021 2:19pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Great. I’m looking forward to seeing an increased intake of fleeing Trump supporters, given that they are now in the sights of their own governmental agencies purely for their political dissent. Political persecution is surely one of the top criteria for “refugee” status. But we know we won’t see this, because these people typically aren’t brown enough.
    
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    February 6, 2021 10:34am
  - ISeeRed
    
    But it makes St. Jacinda the Kind look good so…?
    
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    February 6, 2021 10:36am
    - Jack5
      
      Saint Jacinda? Nope, Comrade Jacinda.
      
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      February 6, 2021 2:14pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    As long as those settled refugees become productive citizens of NZ, and in a spirit of appreciation and love for their new homeland might repay it just like Ghahraman (or Menedez March) have done! {sarc}
    
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    February 6, 2021 4:10pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  They have priority over NZ citizens who are worth nothing.
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:45am
- MCos
  
  When it comes to refugees there’s always some reason(s) to put the boot in.
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:48am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Do not make fun of AOCSmollett.
https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1357397219486359552?s=09&fbclid=IwAR33KL-ZtSM8h0hmsl24fqhGxPEOPkS5K-I7hSqg1hdgwGKDtRA6gPCNhxc
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February 6, 2021 9:10am
- Nickc2
  
  Careful Steve, Batman is circling.
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Batman is one of the good guys – at least you can debate with him
    
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    February 6, 2021 12:07pm
    - oldfella
      
      Agree, Steve – even if he’s usually wrong, at least Batman debates. 😉
      
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      February 6, 2021 12:11pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        He has differing opinions to many of us, and that makes debate. Deleting stuff with no reason is the cancel culture
        
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        February 6, 2021 1:38pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Agreed. No “but”…
      
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      February 6, 2021 4:26pm
- oldfella
  
  Steve: Spiked! asks a pertinent question…
  Is AOC the most dangerous politician in America?
  Since the Capitol riot she has been whipping up a culture of fear that could have dire consequences for liberty.
  https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/02/02/is-aoc-the-most-dangerous-politician-in-america/
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:04am
- oldfella
  
  WASHINGTON D.C.—Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the world’s smartest socialist, gave more harrowing testimony of her experience during the January 6th riot at the Capitol. She said it was even worse than what she had previously revealed, stating that she was, in fact, killed by the riot and is now a ghost.
  “It was a very scary riot,” said the ghostly apparition of Ocasio-Cortez. “Not like one of those nice Black Lives Matter ones where all that happened was someone’s barbershop or something got burned down. So scary, in fact, that I was killed by it. Murdered. Murdered by Ted Cruz. Woo-ooo!”
  https://babylonbee.com/news/aoc-says-she-was-killed-in-the-capitol-riots-and-is-a-ghost
  
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  February 6, 2021 12:09pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Gotta love the Bee, especially when the left don’t realise that they take the piss
    
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    February 6, 2021 1:41pm
Tomtoddy

Do you ever wonder if some editors/owners of the MSM ever wonder, even for a tiny moment, as they stare at the ceiling that maybe they are trying to market garbage and false narratives?

Like… “gee, I am struggling, always appealing for for money to stay alive, relying on the government to bail me out. Maybe I should…”

Nah. Wake up. Pinch myself. I have a crusade to run, an ideology to promote.
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February 6, 2021 9:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I would think that in a social gathering they were as popular as a traffic cop.
  
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  February 6, 2021 9:29am
- emmess
  
  Better not have a different opionion though
  Otherwise, they will drone strike you
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-0xqFnT8QM
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:24am
Ruawai

Anyone else see the irony of the Labour ministers cooking on gas BBQ’s at Waitangi when they have banned future gas exploration.
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February 6, 2021 9:16am
- TWEEDSE
  
  There are a few of us but not many.
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:18am
- niggly
  
  I bet they (Labour ministers) were NOT saying “roll up, roll up, get your BBQ sossies now, because in four years you won’t be able to”!
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She’s cooking the men some eggs
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:59am
- oldgolfer
  
  Oh yes.
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:42am
Rusty

Can anyone understand that tv ad by Gen-less ? What is that man talking about — he makes no sense.

Is Gen-less sponsored by the Greenies/UN?
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February 6, 2021 9:27am
- Cobolt24
  
  I’ve just had a look at their website.
  It says it’s run by EECA/New Zealand government.
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:04am
Saks

Newshub top story today – a big picture of nz’s worst ever prime minister taking a selfie of herself cooking a bbq. Seriously, just fuck off and do some work.

How can 60 percent of kiwis take her seriously and entrust her with this once fine nation?

I advised Mrs Saks that ardern should do some work instead of being vain and taking pictures of herself. The reply – she is working, letting people know what she is up to. Which is clearly doing nothing.

We pay 500k a year for her to do nothing.

Good to see the locals were well behaved. Probably too busy feeding the 150 million into the pokie machines to cause much fuss
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February 6, 2021 9:30am
- Fletch
  
  After having used a chip frier in the takeaway, she has at last found a job she is qualified for….
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:21am
- niggly
  
  Simon Bridges’ masterful sledge of her being a “Part Time Prime Minister” has proven yet again to be accurate!
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:41am
- Dougal10
  
  I deleted newshub yesterday finally sick of made up green crap.
  
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  February 6, 2021 3:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So Marama Davidson is upset that Judith Collins has managed to pull off something that Maori women haven’t achieved in their 50+years of asking for full speaking rights at Waitangi.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/02/judith-collins-not-interested-in-marama-davidson-s-criticism-after-accusation-of-meddling-with-marae-protocol.html

It is disappointing that Marama Davidson considers the rights of all females to take a back seat to cultural protocols that date from 200 years ago.

Marama Davidson also forgets that many pakeha women in NZ have Maori daughters, Maori daughters-in-law, Maori mokopuna and Maori female friends.
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February 6, 2021 9:44am
- Sacha
  
  Maybe Judith will deliver her speech in fluent Maori
  And answer questions as well.
  I wouldn’t be surprised.
  
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  February 6, 2021 9:59am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Celebrating today is a Racist thing to do. Yes, the time honoured Maori tradition of ‘White Hangi Day” – kill a white man and chuck him in the hangi.
    That all ceased of course the day after – 7th.Feb 1840
    😉 😆 😆
    
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    February 6, 2021 3:07pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I’m confident that Marama has a personal risk cost/benefit calculator when she elects to deliver her political statements
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:14am
- Swifty
  
  There’s another point here too Maggy – that this is yet another glaring example of massive Green hypocrisy.
  
  Put as simply and as briefly as I can – the Greens lifeblood consists of railing against traditions, norms, the status quo, challenging ‘maleness’, ‘whiteness’, the ‘patriarchy’ etc etc etc. Constantly telling ‘pakeha’ all the things we are wrong about, have to do differently; sexiam, racism, anti-trans etc – constantly lecturing us about changing our ways.
  
  And all the time they, and their media mates, frame this as ‘being progressive’, ‘the pursuit of justice’, ‘the virtues of equality’ blah, blah, blah.
  
  Then along comes Judith who is pointing out sexism and ‘patriarchy’ on the marae and how does Marama describe it? Meddling.
  
  “Wāhine toa should be respected,”
  
  “Davidson said Collins should leave this particular Māori priority to Māori. ”
  
  “She does not have the cultural expertise to be able to acknowledge that wāhine Māori need to lead the discussion about what our roles are and where we put our voices”
  
  “She undermines the meaning of the karanga by coming from a Pākehā woman’s perspective of where the status of Māori women is.”
  
  So when have you ever heard Green MPs talking about Maori shutting up and “acknowledge that Pakeha men need to lead the discussion about what their roles are and where they put their voices….?”
  
  Or,
  
  “Pakeha men and women should be respected…”
  
  Or,
  
  “Women/Maori should leave this particular Pakeha/male priority to Pakehas/males…”
  
  Well, of course, the answer is never. Everything the Greens do is virtuous, progressing, brings justice etc etc – but everything National, man, pakeha does is always no good, backward, meddling and compounds inequalities.
  
  Even when the point at issue is one of sexism still being practiced in parts of our society!!!
  
  The whole thing with Marama is a great fucking joke being foisted on the good people of New Zealand.
  
  The woman is without principle, in my view. Like many lefties she is hopelessly conflicted in her various stances and performs hypocritical acrobatics on a weekly basis.
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:18am
  - Swifty
    
    I would like to add a little more.
    
    This, to me, is exactly the sort of racial separateness and divisiveness that is leading our country in a wrong and bad direction.
    
    This is Marama saying that, as a member of one particular race, she can say anything she likes, any time, any where, on and any subject (and of course by definition if it comes from her mouth it will be a virtuous and desirable thing to say or do) – but that when it comes to matters Maori anyone not of that race must remain silent as they are not competent or qualified to speak.
    
    This is by my definition political race-hustling i.e. politicians or ‘community leaders’ pitting one race against another in order to seem virtuous or to seek political advantage.
    
    It is not leadership. It is not healthy. It is not virtuous. It is in fact destructive, divisive, unprincipled and is taking us into dark and un-navigated territory.
    
    The sooner NZers wake up and speak out against this kind of behaviour the better, in my view. At the least, NZers should boot out these race-baiting and race-hustling politicians and community leaders and never let them back in.
    
    This woman is not uniting New Zealanders. She is dividing us; into two camps. One which believes everyone is equal under the law and in our daily lives and the other which believes one race must be accorded special privileges.
    
    Yep, that’ll end well.
    
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    February 6, 2021 11:45am
    - calendar girl
      
      Well said in both comments, Swifty.
      
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      February 6, 2021 3:18pm
      - Swifty
        
        Thanks very much calendar girl.
        
        It’s good to know I’m not alone in this.
        
        Honestly, this is destructive stuff from Marama and her ilk and no-one is calling her out.
        
        She just keeps getting away with it.
        
        Just imagine for a minute if I, on a public platform, said “this is a pakeha issue and you Maoris need to keep out..you guys just don’t understand. You’re not pakeha and you’re not qualified to comment.”
        
        I would be, rightly, castigated.
        
        But Marama, oh, she’s fine.
        
        New Zealand is going backwards, not forwards.
        
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        February 6, 2021 6:37pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s identical to the same old bullshit that was dragged out by authority figures when sexual abuse came to light in churches/care institutions.
      
      Instead of addressing the cancer within their own group, they attacked folks who brought incidents to light, then offered numerous excuses about how they were handling the issue in-house.
      
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      February 6, 2021 6:54pm
      - Swifty
        
        Thanks Maggy, I totally agree with you.
        
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        February 6, 2021 6:59pm
  - alloytoo
    
    “The woman is without principle, in my view.”
    
    Not only your view.
    
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    February 6, 2021 12:23pm
    - Swifty
      
      Cheers alloytoo.
      
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      February 6, 2021 12:39pm
- JibberJabber
  
  I suspect most of this “protocol” is made up on the fly to suit whatever situation at the time, I have personal experience of this.
  Several years ago my wife was being farewelled from one local body and welcomed to another and there was a dual powhiri ceremony performed.
  I was seated in the front row, just before it commenced a bloke told me cos’ I was wearing (dress) shorts I had to go to the back.
  After the ceremony the kaumatua from the welcoming iwi asked what the other bloke had said to me, I told him I wasn’t allowed to sit at the front cos’ of the short pants. The Kaumatua was pissed off and said that was BS.
  Personally, it didn’t worry me, just the irony of a culture that historically ran around in grass skirts being offended by my knees was a bit of humour.
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:18am
- Harriet
  
  “….It is disappointing that Marama Davidson considers the rights of all females to take a back seat to cultural protocols that date from 200 years ago….”
  
  Maori women have never taken a back seat in Maoridom; for 2yrs running in the 90’s they had the highest abortion rate in the world.
  
  Maoris just say what they want to suit the occasion, most of it is meaningless bullshit [on the subject of things Maori].
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:43am
- Jack5
  
  Davidson has made claims for some rights for women:
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/09/new-zealand-mp-uses-c-word-at-rally-in-call-to-reclaim-it-from-abusers
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Media are carefully avoiding asking the elite about their sexism. It is 2021 people
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:06am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Sexism must have been cultivated by colonialism – someone told me once that females had true mana before the white man arrived…
    
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    February 6, 2021 11:55am
  - fernglas
    
    It is somewhat ironic that there is currently a Treaty claim before the Waitangi Tribunal that wahine Maori have been socially disadvantaged because of colonialism, when their own men won’t let them speak on the paepae.
    
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    February 6, 2021 12:05pm
- niggly
  
  Marama Davidson is probably upset that Shane Reti and Judith Collins had stolen her thunder (and highlighted a shameful aspect of conservative Maoridom).
  
  Which is a shame because two days ago it was a very powerful (visual) statement having both Davidson and Collins shown (on tv & photos) to be discriminated against because they are women.
  
  But yesterday, because of Davidson’s stupidity, the issue of discrimination against women becomes “forgotten” as it then becomes an issue of “Pakeha interfering with Maoridom’s protocols”.
  
  I do agree, it was most disappointing.
  
  That powerful image of “solidarity” (two days ago) then becomes weakened (especially when Kaumātua said they would relent next year). Now Kaumātua won’t necessarily have to, as the narrative has now changed thanks to Davidson’s outbursts.
  
  On the plus side for Collins, she still came out of this looking good yesterday (and got plenty of positive airtime)!
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:10am
  - alloytoo
    
    I thing Davidson should shut up and prepare some eggs.
    
    In a culturally appropriate way.
    
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    February 6, 2021 12:26pm
- oldfella
  
  I think the Green’s next election slogan should be:
  “Marama Davidson, still the biggest c*** in Aotearoa politics.”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/09/new-zealand-mp-uses-c-word-at-rally-in-call-to-reclaim-it-from-abusers
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:30am
  - Jack5
    
    You and I have doubled up on Davidson’s call over the c– word.
    
    The long queue of posts for moderation at times over the weekend, means we posters are falling over each other.
    
    One solution for Kiwiblog would be to have posting hours at the weekend. Restricting posts to certain periods would take pressure off moderators, and allow a more rational flow of posts.
    
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    February 6, 2021 1:23pm
- Maxx
  
  By Davidson’s logic, the only people that should’ve been fighting to end slavery were slave owners. Or women should’ve butted out of the debate on the right if women to vote. Or for another modern example, the rest of the world should stay out of how China treats it’s citizens.
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:57am
  - Swifty
    
    The only people who can be cancer surgeons are those who have had cancer themselves.
    
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    February 6, 2021 1:03pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Tova O-Brien, “…Judith Collins torn apart by Greens co-leader Marama Davidson….”!!
  Did anyone think to get some footage of this?
  
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  February 6, 2021 4:15pm
niggly

Hypocrisy knows no bounds when it comes to Jacinda Ardern and the Labour Party (and no doubt Jimmy Shaw and the Greens) … there she is and her Minsters at Waitangi merrily cooking on a gas barbecue, the energy source that they not only deem to be “dirty” and “enabling climate change” but supposedly dislike it so much that they want it banned within 4 years.

Will the likes of Tova and other MSM call her out on tonight’s news? No of course not they will remain silent and talk about how wonderful she is!
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February 6, 2021 9:44am
- Nickc2
  
  and the upcoming wedding?
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:49am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yep, just seen on fb Mr James Shaw, climate change minister, cooking red meat on a gas BBQ at Waitangi. – with Robertson along side him.
  You couldn’t make this stuff up ?
  Shaw is a complete, virtue signalling hypocrite with no credibility at all.
  
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  February 6, 2021 5:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I do hope it was an eeny, teeny, weeny bit of animal flesh.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/06/climate-change-minister-james-shaw-wants-to-you-eat-less-meat.html
    
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    February 6, 2021 5:49pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      I’m not saying he is going to eat the meat he is cooking – but the fact that he is relaxed about cooking it for someone else reveals a conceited, cynical lack of awareness IMO.
      
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      February 6, 2021 6:03pm
lastmanstanding

It would interesting to see a break down from IRD of taxpayers by ethnicity as in X group comprising Y% of the population pays Z% of total personal income tax.

Of course it will never happen because pollies are scared witless of the facts getting out.
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February 6, 2021 9:52am
- cmm
  
  Well we know there’s an “iwi economy” which is apparently different from the NZ economy.
  
  Put when the iwi economy has problems no doubt it will look to the NZ economy to bail it out and pretend it works.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/98b-iwi-economy-hit-by-covid-tourism-downturn/2RVJQCLGETBKX7HPKFM7GAYNPA/
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:03am
  - Jack5
    
    Land is the core asset of most Maori businesses, and Maori land’s inalienable – can’t be sold. That means it’s useless for collateral for borrowing.
    
    These Maori businesses lack leeway in hard times, leeway to borrow through dips. Being tribally owned only they also lack leeway to take in more equity capital either to soften a blow, or to finance expansion.
    
    Ngai Tahu has boomed from its vast sweetheart settlements from National Governments by investing them in Western style businesses.
    
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    February 6, 2021 10:58am
    - chukar
      
      Yep ,no tax or council rates for some select businesses.
      Not a level playing field!
      
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      February 6, 2021 6:28pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      You mean the Key tourism projects too big too fail .
      
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      February 6, 2021 7:26pm
RW Capitalist

So…. We finally find out the truth.
AOC was actual 7 minutes walk, through guarded tunnels, from the actual riot.
and th ones banging on her door were identified Capitol police.
A play out of the Clinton electioneering playbook?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/23/recalling-hillary-clintons-claim-of-landing-under-sniper-fire-in-bosnia/
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February 6, 2021 9:53am
- Rich Prick
  
  She’s quite the little Victim Queen.
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She’s also getting right fucked off with social media taking the piss
    
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    February 6, 2021 10:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  AOC cat.
  https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i21razh7lmcks8/AOC%20cat.jpg?dl=0
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:33am
  - Nickc2
    
    Priceless!
    
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    February 6, 2021 10:54am
lazza

“I see we pay the head of NIWA $13,750 a week to tell us we have a climate emergency”

And … one of a large number of CEO’s who chose not to take up Cindy’s suggestion of a covid-19 driven temporary wage cut.

Trougher?
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February 6, 2021 9:58am
Yvette

While Marama Davidson comments that Judith Collins lacks ‘cultural expertise’ on wāhine’s role at marae (possibly racist remarks) Davison did not apparently herself get to speak either, with an explanation by one elder (on talkback radio) that the context extends for a reaction to colonialism.

Indeed the local “Aotearoa” edition of the Guardian features can article headlined “New Zealand’s Māori women have more to contend with than ordinary sexism” – Colonisation has had a particular effect on Indigenous wahine that disadvantages them to this day, and begins –
The Mana Wahine Kaupapa Inquiry hearings will begin this week, investigating claims regarding the specific tiriti violations of the crown that have led to injustice against wahine Māori across social, physical, spiritual, economic, political and cultural dimensions.

The article outlines: The colonial lens is indeed a misogynistic lens, in addition to being a white supremacist lens, and so the policies and legislation which stemmed from this view naturally placed wahine Māori within crosshairs which have continued to shape our destinies, and that of our children.

In her accused ignorance, Judith Collins saying it was “sexism”, appears more accurate than Marama Davidson would acknowledge.

It is an interesting article, but lacks one obvious point – any reference to the apparent fact (it would seem – mainly because aspects of the “misogynistic lens” exists to today, as explained for some of yesterday’s comments on protocol), that Maori men must have either accepted or condoned the demise of their women’s status.
I would like that explained, as the Waitangi Tribunal will surely find colonisation responsible for everything else.

link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2021/feb/05/new-zealand-wahine-maori-sexism
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February 6, 2021 9:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The trouble with the colonialism argument is that many, many folks from across the world have endured periods of colonialism…
  The Scots, the Irish, Koreans, Taiwanese, South Americans, Norwegians, Sri Lankans, Indonesians, Malays, Africans, etc…and let’s not forget Indians..
  
  and somehow they’ve had to manage to get on with their lives, raised their families and looked to the future.
  
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  February 6, 2021 1:06pm
  - Jack5
    
    The Brits have been colonised more than most – by:
    Romans; Saxons, Jutes, and Frisians; Vikings; Danes; Normans.
    
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    February 6, 2021 2:36pm
  - sooty
    
    Yes, but they don’t have the warrior gene!
    
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    February 6, 2021 2:46pm
  - 0A
    
    Can’t leave South Africa out of the colonial spotlight.
    
    The Boer republics fought a bitter war against the mightiest Empire of the time, supported by Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders and Indians.
    
    In 1902 they were thoroughly defeated, largely as a result of Kitchener’s “scorched earth” policy and because of divisions within Boers themselves.
    
    Many were bitter that they’d been vanquished but scarcely 12 years later there they were marching alongside the very nations that had defeated them. 21 years later, they did the same in WW II and then again 5 years later in Korea.
    
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    February 6, 2021 5:46pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Irish and Scots had the English invade them!
    Colonialism gets shared around.
    
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    February 6, 2021 6:34pm
cmm

Fauci helping create even more confusion.
So far the Fauci timeline is
Mask work.
No they don’t.
Masks work.
Only health workers should wear them. Nobody else should wear them.
Masks work
One mask is not enough. Wear two (he said its “common sense” that two is better than one).
Now, he’s saying there’s no science for two masks.

Creating confusion is a good way to create stress and fear and get people to comply with authority. It turns off their ability to think rationally.

If this was all a manufactured crisis, they couldn’t be doing this any better.
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February 6, 2021 9:59am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Much like the masses of lockdown protestors all over Europe – events that are conspicuously absent from most/all MSM – I gave up listening to the dissembling, vacillating and conflicting statements of the technocracy months ago.
  
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  February 6, 2021 10:22am
Maggie Pie

It’s great to see the minimum is going up on April 1st.
Poor people will then be able to afford the same stuff they used to buy, but now at the increased rate to compensate for raising the minimum wage.
Did you win? Congrats…..
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February 6, 2021 10:25am
- chukar
  
  Inflation!!
  
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  February 6, 2021 6:30pm
Phronesis

Anyone who has any interest in what happened in the American election needs to read this article in TIME magazine.

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
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February 6, 2021 10:26am
- Inandout
  
  Ph, I have an interest but this is an anti Trump article from print’s equivalent to CNN. Read more and then balance what happened out.
  
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  February 6, 2021 12:31pm
  - Phronesis
    
    Of course it’s anti Trump, but now the Left have won they are admitting what actually happened.
    
    “That’s why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information. They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it.” (against Trump)
    
    America is run by Oligarchs who colluded against Trump.
    
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    February 6, 2021 1:13pm
JibberJabber

Cartoon of the 21st Century.
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1357503142137593856/photo/1
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February 6, 2021 10:34am
Fletch

As Mark Levin pointed out on his show yesterday, isn’t it funny how we’re not even allowed to mention election fraud that took place last year. It is summarily dismissed by the media and by Democrats who poo-poo the idea. And yet after Trump won the presidency in 2016, the subject of Trump having cheated was constantly brought up by the Democrats. It was their talking point for years. They even started an investigation into so-called “Russian collusion” which took years and found nothing as we all knew it wouldn’t. The media ably abetted them in this. But they didn’t even let up after that, finding more excuses to attack him with.

But now, even the #StopTheSteal hashtag has been banned from twitter. You can’t even bring it up.

It’s total hypocrisy. But that is par-for-the-course with Democrats. To quote Ben Kenobi, “you will never find a bigger hive of scum and villainy”.
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February 6, 2021 10:38am
Yvette

Golriz Ghahraman and the youth branch of the National Party have called out comments Simon Bridges made where he said banning conversion therapy was an attack on free speech.

Was Israel Folau’s quote from the Bible not an expression of conversion therapy?
– a belief that people with diverse sexual orientations or gender identities are abnormal and should be changed so they fit within hetero-normative standards.

Is there a freedom to express an idea (that may be quite unpopular), but no right to actually perform any practice or procedure that would extend that idea.

If Folau gave a sermon in his father’s church, on the subject of saving people from homosexuality, would that be “conversion therapy”?
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February 6, 2021 10:47am
- Inandout
  
  Yvette, 50,000 Muslims in NZ would agree with Folau. I wish the ‘enlightened’ folk would realise this.
  
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  February 6, 2021 12:35pm
  - SB2
    
    “..50,000 Muslims in NZ would agree with Folau” ??
    
    How do you know that precisely?
    
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    February 6, 2021 1:34pm
    - Jack5
      
      ?Rostered on Stephie: That sort of niggling’s pretty close to trolling.
      
      Inandout didn’t say or imply “precisely”.
      
      When you are talking tens of thousands of people, it’s normal and acceptable to round off tens and hundreds.
      
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      February 6, 2021 2:40pm
    - Harriet
      
      “….How do you know that precisely?…’
      
      Because Muslims like others understand that —informing people is different to transforming people.
      
      It’s up to the individual if they choose to take on board what others say:
      
      There is nothing wrong in saying that sodomy is mutual masturbation performed on the outside of the body as it’s biology 101, the human digestive system is on the outside of the body.
      
      There is no hate in educating one’s children FULLY about physical, sexual and mental health. 😎
      
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      February 6, 2021 3:20pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      By reading the Koran?
      
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      February 6, 2021 4:29pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        That has its portion of hate speech too.
        
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        February 6, 2021 6:36pm
- Phronesis
  
  I suspect it would. Bridges point was surely that consenting adults can agree to (most) anything they want behind closed doors, including one convincing the other they are not gay. Ironically of course it’s a very similar argument to that used to decriminalise homosexuality in the first place.
  
  The more interesting thing is that this legislation will extend to transgender conversion therapy. It will presumably become a criminal offence to tell little johnny that he’s a boy if he says he thinks he might be a girl. It will be incredibly damaging.
  
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  February 6, 2021 1:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Who is practising conversion therapy in NZ?
  
  I’m not sure who or what organisation/Government Department/Hospital board/Psychological group/etc is carrying out Conversion therapy in NZ.
  
  Anyone know where this therapy is being carried out?
  
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  February 6, 2021 2:16pm
  - Phronesis
    
    It isn’t. The real target is people who deny the transgender agenda.
    
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    February 6, 2021 4:14pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh..
      Religious groups and some Psycho~~babblers~~-therapists, then.
      
      https://www.sbs.com.au/news/unintended-consequences-faith-groups-psychiatrists-say-victoria-s-new-gay-conversion-ban-laws-are-too-vague
      
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      February 6, 2021 6:48pm
Jack5

The Wall Street Journal says battery prices are falling and that most car makers expect that electric vehicles will cost the same amount to build within the next five years.

This is because battery prices are coming down, the newspaper says.

At the beginning of 2010 Boston Consulting Group estimated batteries cost $US1000 to $US1200 per kilowatt hours. They are now about $US125 per kw hour.

The WSJ reports Venkat Viswanathan, a mechanical engineering academic at Carnegie Mellon University, as expecting them to go as low as $US80 per kilowatt-hour in two to three years before bottoming out.
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February 6, 2021 10:48am
- alloytoo
  
  But there won’t be any way to charge them.
  
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  February 6, 2021 12:29pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack, at least the 5 year old mining kids will still have a job.
  
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  February 6, 2021 12:36pm
Fletch

This is just getting ridiculous now. Former WWE wrestler (heavy, bearded, tattooed etc) comes out as transgender. Now dresses like a woman, with the fake boobs and all…

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/wwe-superstar-gabbi-tuft-trans-trnd/

Are we as a society really as stupid as to follow along with all this? Looks like we are.
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February 6, 2021 10:51am
- MCos
  
  Follow along with what, Fletch?
  
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  February 6, 2021 12:35pm
  - Fletch
    
    We’re supposed to play make-believe along with the person, in the same way a parent would go along with their child pretending to be Batman and to use the name when addressing them from now on. At least the child has an excuse. In the case of the adult there is some serious psychological problem happening but we’ve all been told that it’s discriminatory if we don’t go along with it, use the proper honorifics etc, even the made up ones.
    
    It’s only going to get worse, of course.
    
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    February 6, 2021 1:05pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      There in lay the Conversion Therapy issue. Simon says you can say this because it is free speech, others say your words are harmful and even torture.
      
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      February 6, 2021 2:29pm
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, he replaced one hormone with another.
  
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  February 6, 2021 12:39pm
- oldfella
  
  Imagine copping ‘her’ on a blind date?
  Not the ugliest pseudo-woman I’ve ever seen, but close.
  
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  February 6, 2021 1:06pm
- oldfella
  
  Fletch: Bruce Jenner went down the trans route and Glamour magazine almost immediately named him “Woman of the Year”.
  What will this new ‘gal’ pick up?
  
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  February 6, 2021 1:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That’s the shit that FB put me in jail for. Craig Telfer. 2016 – 200th. 2017 – 350th. 2018 switched gender. 2019 national hero in 400M hurdles.
  I made a comment about transistors fucking woman’s sport and got the ban. Precious petals
  
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  February 6, 2021 1:55pm
- JibberJabber
  
  The 21st Century where Bob can indeed, be your Aunty…
  
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  February 6, 2021 3:33pm
Maggie Pie

Just showed my partner this story in the Herald.
He didn’t even bother reading it, but asked the same silly question as everyone else would have…..”Wonder if the carpet matches the curtains?”

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1357797882791940096
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February 6, 2021 10:56am
- alex Masterley
  
  That is one of those questions that I don’t want to know the answer to.
  Anyway when I saw that piece my immediate thought was that Dr Wiles should Foxtrot Oscar.
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The comments further down a as flaky as fuck. This is why NZ is stuffed – woke wankers
    
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    February 6, 2021 1:57pm
- niggly
  
  Oh that’s very naughty!
  
  On a serious note, this is actually very disappointing of Dr Wiles, as again she is delving into areas an “esteemed scientist” shouldn’t be and “politicising” herself, which is her attempts to contact Air NZ directly to force them to make changes. And what next, a Twitter campaign to shame them?
  
  It is clearly MoH/Government policy to allow Air NZ to serve in flight food or drinks (imagine being denied them on a long haul flight), which means removing one’s mask.
  
  If Dr Wiles has an issue with Air NZ serving food and drinks then perhaps she should take it up with the appropriate authorities, the Ministry of Health (and presumably the appropriate government Ministers, assuming she is on the govt’s covid response committee, like her mate Shawn “80,000 deaths” Hendy is)?
  
  And perhaps she could productively spend her time figuring out a practical solution (rather than wield the easy/lazy ban hammer)?
  
  Good grief!
  
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  February 6, 2021 11:27am
- DeepBlue
  
  Thank you, I’m still laughing
  
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  February 6, 2021 12:02pm
Black with a Vengeance

Happy Waitangi day. Celebrate what it is to be Maori/Pasifika/Palagi/Whatever in Aotearoa.

Tau in a ia tatou savavali pea I le malamalama.

Let us all walk together in the light of understanding.
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February 6, 2021 11:08am
- Jack5
  
  Black with a Vengeance is really Brown with a Vengeance if Google Translate is correct.
  
  It translates the words as Samoan, and, similar to the translation he gives himself, in English:
  
  “May we ever walk in the light”.
  
  Faʻatalofa atu ia te oe, BwV.
  
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  February 6, 2021 2:59pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  It is not meant to be about pride in ones own racial background at all.
  It is to commemorate when Maori and the Crown entered into an agreement which created the nation of New Zealand. Tangata Tiriti first and foremost, national day and founding document if you will. Not broader international identity politics.
  When you see every outcome or event through the lens of your own or the other persons racial grouping, then every day can be ugly and bitter, 365 days a year…
  How about celebrate what we have in common, and not which sets us apart?
  
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  February 6, 2021 4:30pm
oldfella

This study might explain some of the weird people who inhabit this blog.
And I’m not just talking about the moderators.
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Long-term study reveals harm in regular cannabis use
Regular cannabis use has harmful effects regardless of the age a person starts using, a University of Queensland-led study has found.
The study examined people who began regular cannabis use in high school or in their early 20s, and compared both with non-users.
Lead author Dr. Gary Chan from UQ’s National Centre for Youth Substance Use Research said the results linked regular cannabis use with negative life outcomes by age 35.
“Compared to non-users, regular cannabis users were more likely to engage in high-risk alcohol consumption, smoke tobacco, use other illicit drugs and not be in a relationship at age 35,” Dr. Chan said.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-long-term-reveals-regular-cannabis.html
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February 6, 2021 11:09am
Yvette

Covid-19: Pullman Hotel guest tests positive in Hamilton

Community events in Hamilton have been cancelled after a former Pullman Hotel guest who has been isolating at home for a week tested positive for Covid-19.
headlines, accompanied by a great photo of Pullman logo
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/435908/covid-19-pullman-hotel-guest-tests-positive-in-hamilton

I wonder how much the Government is paying the Pullman chain of hotels for the utter destruction (by association) of their logo and brandname?
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February 6, 2021 11:36am
- Inandout
  
  Yvette, I find the name Pullman as offensive to women.
  
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  February 6, 2021 2:03pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  we (NZ) really need to get to the bottom of whether Cov-19 has a longer incubation than 2 weeks quarintine can cater for, or whether mingling or contamination is leading people to catch in inside MIQ.
  
  The cost to the country of another national panic (not so much the impacts of the disease itself) means that the MIQ has to be fully robust around preventing the escape of the virus.
  
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  February 6, 2021 4:33pm
oldfella

As someone said on that twitter thread, ‘you can have thousands of people at Waitangi, but you can’t have a biscuit on a plane’.

I guess you could have a biscuit if it was being handed out by Cindy, using it as a photo opportunity to again remind us she has the kind, caring, common touch. That would be okay.
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February 6, 2021 11:42am
Nickc2

This has to be worth an Oscar. Stage managed by AO Somellett no less.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/02/magnificent-work-some-of-the-funniest-stuff-youll-see-in-a-long-time.html
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February 6, 2021 12:07pm
JibberJabber

Cactus Kate’s take not for the faint of heart,
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/02/national-need-to-decide-who-they-are.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AsianInvasion2019+%28Asian+Invasion+2019%29

There are no votes for National in Ratana, radical Maori or then anything to do with Waitangi. Why they even bother attending is a mystery for the political step dance for their annual humiliation.

Maori of the beltway jump up and down and then snigger at the Duke of Marlborough over piles of the Jesus juice about the wokeness of every Pakeha who bother to visit.
This was an orchestrated attack on National to promote Shane Reti and humiliate Judith Collins. Marama Davidson was in on the fix.

I would not be surprised if Reti was in on it too.

Bonus quote…

PS: And out comes the Trump card…..cute little Neve with her glasses on.

You cannot out stage a cute infant in glasses……ever. Let alone one with the makings of a good Gisborne mullet.
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February 6, 2021 1:22pm
- Tall Man
  
  [DPF: Do not refer to the PM as a “media whore” on KB}
  
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  February 6, 2021 3:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Okie dokie.
    
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    February 6, 2021 8:12pm
- Kevin Herlihy
  
  Judith is quite capable of humiliating herself without Maori having to twist the knife.
  An orchestrated leadership grab followed by a resounding electoral defeat says it all, that coupled with naming Brownlee as her Deputy would be humiliating by itself.
  It’s time for Judith to hang up her boots and exit politics, she will then have more time to write crime novels.
  
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  February 6, 2021 3:55pm
- Tall Man
  
  Kate made some valid points.
  
  The ruling that politician’s familiies should be left out of discussions on Kiwiblog was/is a fair position to take but when ardern and the media decide to push a child to the forefront of a political event such as “Waitangi” then I believe there should be some latitude.
  
  I do not think that Waitangi is an appropriate place for a small child, even the child of the PM given that there is always unpleasantness there but I believe ardern made a calculated decision to take her child to deflect criticism, and garner media attention … plus dumped $150 million on the cranky locals as well.
  
  Better?
  
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  February 6, 2021 8:26pm
  - Cactus Kate
    
    Ngāpuhi (through the ultimate teachers pet in Peeni Henare) offered the PM the chance to bury Neve’s placenta at Waitangi.
    
    I don’t know if she ever took up the offer however every year she drags thy infant to premise it does make one wonder.
    
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    February 7, 2021 8:18pm
lazza

Marama (of the “C” word remember is an absolute disgrace … there it is … pure and simple.

How’s this ?

Quote (above).

“”This” … (MD’s obscenities and racist utterings” is by my definition political race-hustling i.e. politicians or ‘community leaders’ pitting one race against another in order to seem virtuous or to seek political advantage”.

Amen.
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February 6, 2021 1:28pm
redflagged

Ardern, Little, Robertson, Davis and the Greens BBQ (sorry, destroying the planet) at Waitangi Day two years ago.

https://www.gettyimages.ie/photos/jacinda-bbq?phrase=jacinda bbq&sort=mostpopular

You’ll have to copy and pasted the whole thing, not just the hyperlink.
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February 6, 2021 2:11pm
Inandout

You gotta laugh at the righteous ones on here who screamed that Biden won the election fairly, and this is true democracy. I won’t bother to debate the first claim, but where is democracy with the Dems destroying 200 years of tradition?
https://trends.gab.com/feed/5daf66772fea4d3ba000883b/item/601debe574fa4425293309dd
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February 6, 2021 2:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They destroy (or try to) anything that does not fit their narrative.
  The last true Democrat was JFK. What did they do to him in 1963?
  
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  February 6, 2021 3:21pm
Jack5

Stuff’s sent the scourge of White New Zealanders, part-Maori Joel Maxwell, to Waitangi.

So far, half of his report’s in his recently learned Maori language.

Tsk, Tsk, Joel. Maori text triggers bugger all ? mouse clicks.
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February 6, 2021 2:52pm
Cobolt24

As I would expect today, virtue signaling on the front of the Dompost. I noticed they’re talking about a $1uff campaign they did 3 years back to get NZ history taught in schools. Aren’t journalists meant to reflect society, not campaign to change it?
There’s other things not related to Waitangi in the slightest but still tries to make out how racist we were/are are as a country which I guess is okay but, this isn’t the day to do it.
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February 6, 2021 3:09pm
- Cobolt24
  
  It’s too late to edit comment but in the last paragraph, I mean that we have racism, it’s not ok saying the whole country collectively is racist like $1uff ‘journalists’ say.
  
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  February 6, 2021 3:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No matter what we do, no matter what we say.
  Katie Bradford is a slack arsed reporter, not a game changer.
  Report the news – not opinions
  
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  February 6, 2021 6:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Bee.
https://babylonbee.com/news/aoc-says-she-was-killed-in-the-capitol-riots-and-is-a-ghost
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February 6, 2021 3:18pm
rockape

Trying not to be racist, but a Nigerian in charge of the WTO, realy !
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February 6, 2021 3:28pm
theoldbloke

Have I missed it being reported in NZ Media?
High false negative Testing for Covid.

This would explain a few positive cases that “”slipped”” thru the net.

From Harvard Health on PCR testsing.

What about accuracy? The rate of false negatives — a test that says you don’t have the virus when you actually do have the virus — varies depending on how long infection has been present: in one study, the false-negative rate was 20% when testing was performed five days after symptoms began, but much higher (up to 100%) earlier in infection.
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February 6, 2021 3:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well it’s BBQ time. I prepared but everyone is resting in this house.
Scallops on my (American) BBQ . Saffron and chilli sauce. Then wagyu stuff.
Spa is going to get both covers off. Outside music. Start with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkLhJsHxYxM
Then,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL0au17MypY
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February 6, 2021 3:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Girlies who hate rednecks – it is bed time LOL
  
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  February 6, 2021 3:50pm
- Swifty
  
  “Scallops on my (American) BBQ . Saffron and chilli sauce. Then wagyu stuff.”
  
  Beaudy
  
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  February 6, 2021 4:09pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Love the music Steve but prefer Wild Turkey myself!
  
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  February 6, 2021 6:31pm
Maggie Pie

Since when has Mt Roskill been considered as ‘Central Auckland’?
That’s like calling Onehunga….. ‘Epsom South’.

FFS!

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1357881459856474112
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February 6, 2021 4:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Us on the Shore call you people “the other side”
  Careful, don’t spin out just because you use other beaches ……
  
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  February 6, 2021 6:24pm
Fletch

As far as I have seen so far, every order Biden has pushed through is wrong. Every change has been made to advantage the Democrat party and consolidate its power or is based on groundless ideology. Nothing to do with what is good for the American people.
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February 6, 2021 4:23pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Kind of like what our government is currently doing?
  
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  February 6, 2021 6:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Envy is the word you want Fletch.
  The left even hate themselves
  
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  February 6, 2021 6:25pm
Fletch

“If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.”
~ Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, Whitney v. California opinion in 1927

In other words, the answer to hate speech is more speech, not less…
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February 6, 2021 4:31pm
jonno69

It would have been more appropriate to say a man was suspected of firing a gun in the middle east.
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February 6, 2021 4:34pm
WaveyDavey

Had to laugh at that proponent of the perpetually aggrieved Rawiri Taonui, someone I had the great misfortune to be seated alongside at an NZ media awards – Christ that was a depressingly tedious night. Everyone else at the SST table escaped as quickly as possible but I was naive.

Anyway there he was on the HDPA show bleating on and on about how maori sexism wasn’t actually sexism and that the “real problem” was the appalling mispronunciation by politicians when speaking at Waitiangi. “Oh it’s dreadful, painful the awful speaking… shouldn’t be allowed…” etc, etc ad nauseam

at which point he referred to our glorious leader as Jacinta
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February 6, 2021 4:42pm
- Swifty
  
  Heh.
  
  “I will axe my Oncle if I can come outside and play…”
  
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  February 6, 2021 6:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Surprise, surprise….
Coronavirus Australia live news: Leading epidemiologist says it’s critical to isolate air circulating between hotel rooms and corridors

Critical steps must be taken to stop air circulating between rooms
A leading epidemiologist says it’s critical to isolate the air circulating between rooms and corridors in hotel quarantine to avoid the spread of COVID-19.

The findings of an investigation into a cluster of the highly infectious UK strain at Brisbane’s Grand Chancellor Hotel were released yesterday.

A number of recommendations were made, including changing processes around the movement of staff in hotel corridors.

Chair in Epidemiology at Deakin University Professor Catherine Bennett told ABC Radio Brisbane hallways are prime environments for transmission.

“If the corridor is a dead space and doesn’t have good ventilation then the virus may stay suspended and spread along a corridor enough that someone metres away could potentially get an infecting dose so trying to keep the air isolated between the rooms and those shared corridor spaces I think is going to be a critical step,” she said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-06/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-hotel-quarantine-spread/13128544
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February 6, 2021 4:48pm
- greybeard
  
  No doubt about it, these Uni Professors and experts have all the answers.
  Unfortunately the same answers given by thousands of us lesser mortals about 12 months ago.
  
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  February 6, 2021 5:13pm
cha

heh

1 Plaintiffs Smartmatic USA Corp, Smartmatic International Holding B.V., and SGO Corporation Limited (collectively, “Smartmatic”), through their attorneys, bring this complaint against Defendants Fox Corporation, Fox News Network LLC, Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, Jeanine Pirro, Rudolph Giuliani, and Sidney Powell (collectively, “Defendants”).
INTRODUCTION1

1.The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable.
2.Defendants have always known these facts. They knew Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 U.S. election. They knew the election was not stolen. They knew the election was not rigged or fixed. They knew these truths just as they knew the Earth is round and two plus two equals four.

https://www.smartmatic.com/uploads/Smartmatic_Complaint_Against_Fox_Corporation.pdf
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February 6, 2021 6:06pm
Harriet

70 million pissed off Republicans.

0 cities destroyed.

That’s not white privilege – that’s white civility. 😎
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February 6, 2021 6:35pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And they’re STILL insisting Biden won.
  
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  February 6, 2021 7:16pm
Harriet

Covid is of no concern and doesn’t effect our household.

We don’t have a TV. 😎
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February 6, 2021 9:39pm
Master Mariner

Narrative changing again I see.

Herd Immunity, Well this is going to be difficult starting from scratch and relying on the arrival of the Vaccine,

When the hell do they expect this too happen, Irony not lost on putting this out Friday

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/nz-stay-its-course-works-achieve-herd-immunity-ashley-bloomfield
And what he said when?
https://www.nzma.org.nz/journal-articles/covid-19-20-21-lessons-from-new-zealands-2020-response-for-2021-and-beyond-open-access

“New Zealand has four different vaccines on order), and later in the year we would hope to achieve sufficient coverage for population (‘herd’) immunity. ”
Well strike me down.
Question? Why did we not follow Pandemic plan 2017.?
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February 6, 2021 10:32pm
Master Mariner

The gift that keeps on giving.

https://www.covidplanb.co.nz/
International health data and experience is showing that New Zealand’s lockdown is unnecessary, and even more harmful than the problem we’re trying to solve.

https://www.nzma.org.nz/journal-articles/covid-19-20-21-lessons-from-new-zealands-2020-response-for-2021-and-beyond-open-access

So In a nutshell, The good Dr is using CovidplanB as a reference?

Go to references in document
https://europepmc.org/article/ppr/ppr213497
So this is there Logic regarding seafarers, Well its totally flawed and basically micky mouse assumption sprinkled with statistics and micky mouse models.
I wouldnt even know where to begin to discredit it.
I will leave for someone else if so inclined.
This again proves why we need “working” knowledge in these departments.
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