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krazykiwi

The US operates a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System – VAERS. This service tracks adverse reactions to any vaccine administered in the US. Helpfully, VAERS publish their datasets.

In 2020 there were 42,892 recorded adverse reactions which resulted in 166 deaths. That equates to a 0.38% event fatality rate.

In the first three weeks of 2021 (all data that’s currently available) there were 2,160 adverse reactions which resulted in 281 deaths. That equates to a 13.0% event fatality rate, alarmingly a 3400% increase on the 2020 rate.

Put another way, there were 1.7x the number of deaths reported in the first three weeks of 2021 when compared to all of 2020.

I wondered if this variation could be attributed to seasonal factors, but looking at the January 2020 data, there were 940 adverse reactions and only 3 deaths, resulting in a 0.32% event fatality rate.

Perhaps Covid-19 deaths have been impacting the 2021 event fatality rate? So I checked June and November 2020 statistics. This was when the scamdemic fear porn was being pumped into media channels 24×7. Those months showed vaccination adverse event fatality rates of 0.37% and 0.16% respectively.

To summarise, over 2020 the mortality rate linked to adverse vaccination events averaged 0.38%. In the first three weeks on 2021 it increased 3400% to 13.0%.

So, a few pertinent questions:

1. When authorities repeatedly claim Covid-19 vaccines are ‘safe and effective’, what exactly do they mean?

2. Where is the detailed analysis of this large jump in mortalities related to adverse reactions?

3. How can any person give the informed consent necessary for acceptance of a medical intervention in the absence of answers?
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February 5, 2021 8:00am
- mjw
  
  Can I respectfully suggest that the analysis be considered from the point of view of total vaccines administered. I agree that adverse events and deaths should not be swept under the rug, but instead reported and understood. However, the most informative statistic would be the risk per vaccination, rather than the risk per adverse event.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:15am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Risk per vaccination might be interesting, but to-date it’s not been interesting enough to be published in public datasets.
    
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    February 5, 2021 8:34am
  - krazykiwi
    
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    February 5, 2021 8:42am
  - krazykiwi
    
    It’s fair to assume that the gross number of vaccinations of all types has massively increased year on year.
    
    Projecting the 3-week 2160 figure results in a 37,440 adverse event count for 2021. So the 2021 adverse event count is tracking behind the 2020 rate despite total vaccination number increasing.
    
    Yet the death rate is massively higher. It’s difficult to conclude anything other than the Covid-19 vaccination is driving this. The questions are why, and who will front up to explain?
    
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    February 5, 2021 8:44am
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      Wha ya know? The chief herder, and forecaster of economy doom is now an expert on vaccinations.
      
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      February 5, 2021 9:00am
- SB2
  
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  Shall we refer your queries onto Natural News and Robert Kennedy for definitive answers?
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:28am
- Ford Prefect
  
  Hasnt the Covid vaccine only been administered to the most vulnerable population? Assuming other vaccines were administered to all, if you only vaccinated the over 70s and the most at risk then the death rates from vaccinations could be slewed.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:32am
- Simon
  
  Piers Corbyn arrested over leaflets comparing vaccine programme to Auschwitz
  
  https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/04/piers-corbyn-arrested-over-leaflets-comparing-covid-vaccine-programme-to-auschwitz?
  
  Careful Comrades.
  
  Piece of shit Tory government
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:02am
  - SB2
    
    Simon, you missed this which you will agree is highly relevant,
    
    “Piers Corbyn, “the climate change sceptic “and brother of the former Labour leader, has been arrested by police investigating leaflet..”
    
    Interesting.
    
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    February 5, 2021 9:53am
- Happy1
  
  You are comparing apples with oranges most of the vaccinations in January 2020 would have been young people whereas the 2021 cohort would have been elderly
  
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  February 5, 2021 1:39pm
- redflagged
  
  Aren’t you just pointing out “scamdemic fear porn” and replacing it with an alternative ‘vaccines kill’ fear porn?
  
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  February 5, 2021 5:38pm
Happychappy

What a devious Prime Minister we have when put under pressure when asked about her empty promises to Maori but hints at Wedding news coming soon.
It’s all about Jacinda Ardern and her self importance never about her being wrong and the media more than happy to help her change the subject when it is pointed out how false she is.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/waitangi-week-jacinda-ardern-hints-at-wedding-news-soon-as-she-and-collins-welcome-possible-backdown-on-women-speaking-at-marae/7XJIXEJWMJ4IA4WWVF7INZFFRM/
There is obviously some bad news on the way or this was all about trying to close down Judith Collins gains on being given possible rights to speak on the Marae next Waitangi Day.
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February 5, 2021 8:00am
- sooty
  
  She’s just had two months off and could have been a christmas bride. But then she’s only part time, so anytme of the year suits.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:19am
  - oldfella
    
    I’ve heard rumours that the PM spent time in hospital over the holidays. Not that the MSM would tell us if it were true.
    Could it be to repair an old football injury like the one that laid Winston low? //sarc
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:12am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Fake news bro. Movin on.
      
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      February 5, 2021 3:40pm
  - tf78
    
    sooty, Premier House as a venue or an Island Bubble?
    
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    February 5, 2021 4:27pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I bet the Q facilities are already booked for Vogue, Vanity Fair and Harpers Bazaar staff and that the international TV networks will be there.
  
  The Women’s magazines have the front covers ready and TVNZ ans TV# will have the gushing reports ready.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:20am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Live relay of the proceedings anyone?
    
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    February 5, 2021 3:41pm
- Paulus
  
  My wife, to whom I always listen, says that from the Waitangi photos she is pregnant again, or needs to talk to a physio about her posture.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:27am
  - Frank the tank
    
    A baby and a wedding – Oh we are in for a treat this year. Viva Las (little) Aotearoa.
    
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    February 5, 2021 9:33am
- rangitoto
  
  I briefly saw Cindy spouting total shite on Pravda 1 last night. I guess she’s finished her two month holiday.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:26am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Was Simple Simon is raptures? Was there a tear in his eye when the segment was gone?
    
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    February 5, 2021 9:55am
- Flossie
  
  I don’t care two hoots if JA lives with/marries/kicks out her bloke, or has several more kids. It’s a personal matter and should not be part of any political news.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:06am
  - mandk
    
    But you don’t understand the deal the govt made with the media.
    
    The media got shit loads of money and, in return, the media has to lots of happy family stories about Jacinda to keep the sheeple’s attention from issues that really matter.
    
    You know, issues like rocketing homelessness and gang membership, collapsing educational standards, cancelled hospital treatments, and lack of progress with infrastructure development.
    
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    February 5, 2021 4:17pm
- giltee
  
  I said long ago there’d be a wedding or new baby announcement and that she’d use it to her advantage. I thought it may be before the next elections but one thing is sure. Ja-cinder is a professional soothsayer who’ll stop at nothing to retain power. Something big is coming and the media frenzy will distract the 50% sheeple will be distracted by it.
  
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  February 5, 2021 1:19pm
mikenmildagain

110 years ago today: Vivian Walsh made the first flight of a powered aircraft in New Zealand. Vivian Walsh and his brother Leo imported and assembled a Howard Wright 1909 Biplane, which Vivian Flew at Papakura on 5 February 1911. They later established a flying school in Auckland, which trained many pilots for the RFC during the First World War.
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February 5, 2021 8:02am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  A better commemoration post than yesterdays Mike, just sayin’ . . .
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

Congratulations to Dr Shane Reti for addressing one of the greatest inequities in Aotearoa – the failure of some Maori tribes to recognize the mana of women by affording them equal rights on the paepae.

https://www.teaomaori.news/shane-reti-issues-wero-ngapuhi

Why our female leaders afford the Ngāpuhi males at Waitangi the time of day is beyond me.
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February 5, 2021 8:05am
- sooty
  
  I see Hone’s mum has a new lease of life and is again sitting next to the royal chair.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:16am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    No, Jacinda’s sitting next to the royal chair.
    
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    February 5, 2021 9:31pm
- pdm
  
  Maggy, Maggy settle down.
  
  All at Waitangi vote Labour so there is no need for Nanaia, or Carmel or whoever the token Minister for Womens Affairs is to get their collective knickers in a twist about something as trivial as women speaking on Marae.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:17am
- Benedict Yu
  
  You beat me to it Maggy. Jacinda and other female Labour MPs would scream the house down if any other institution displayed such misogynistic practices. And that is what it is. And yet they put up with it from Maori. For some reason that is beyond my comprehension.
  
  The only correct action here would be for the PM to say “Treat all women equally or we are not coming”. And most New Zealanders would cheer her on.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:18am
  - Frank the tank
    
    All animals are equal, just some are more equal than others.
    
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    February 5, 2021 9:35am
  - Ruahine
    
    Saving it for next year.
    
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    February 5, 2021 2:19pm
- artemisia
  
  Some women leaders got to speak at Waitangi, some not. Depends on the colour of the bandanna apparently.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They didn’t speak on the paepae.
    
    Women being restricted to speaking from the mahau (verandah) clearly demonstrates that chaps rule the roost and females are sidelined.
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:25am
    - alloytoo
      
      Smacks of Systemic Sexism.
      
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      February 5, 2021 3:38pm
- Simon
  
  Still not as funny as the programming of some Maori “leaders” to demand the Rona vaccine ahead of other races.
  
  Many Maori have fallen for the Rona programming hard. Happy Waitangi Day losers.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:20am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Well the propaganda machine is attempting to convince the sheeple that Maori are genetically predisposed to have more threat from succumbing to the WuFlu.
    
    Life choices and behaviors have nothing to do with it apparently…….
    
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    February 5, 2021 9:58am
    - Ehlana
      
      The UK reports South Asians and Africans have a higher mortality rate than white people, after adjusting for exposure factors. So maybe there is some genetics at play.
      
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      February 5, 2021 10:59am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Hard evidence please.
        
        Funnily enough we don’t see a lot of Wuflu death porn out of either the Indian subcontinent or Africa.
        
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        February 5, 2021 11:47am
      - giltee
        
        No Ehlana. I saw a documentary on Africa and it was only in South Africa that the death rate of blacks from the Wuhan virus was higher than whites. So it would suggest it may be due to lifestyle, diet and other factors such as overcrowding. Elsewhere in Africa the mortality rate was much lower.
        Frank The Tank, is it not demeaning and racist to Maori from those who’re saying they’re somehow inferior or genetically weak thus are disproportionately more likely to get the Wuhan virus. Or is it easier to bring out the old crock of shit that it’s colonialism that’s done it. Instead perhaps we could look at the proportion of Maori compared to other New Zealander’s that have underlying health problems and why is that? Does anyone force people into poor lifestyle choices such as bad diet, alcohol/drug abuse, I’ll stop there with etc etc.
        
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        February 5, 2021 1:44pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        According to this:
        
        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33385640/
        
        It is because of higher prevalence of obesity and diabetes in these populations, not genetics per sé. Always difficult to disentangle genetics from environment (unless the signal is huge).
        
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        February 5, 2021 2:09pm
      - tf78
        
        Africa has had very low death rates as they take hydroxychloroquine each week against malaria.
        
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        February 5, 2021 4:37pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Whether they are genetically predisposed or not I couldn’t say. Certainly factors such as obesity, smoking and drinking, together with other diseases such as diabetes will lower someone’s immunity, although to be clear I’m not suggesting that only Maori (or all Maori) fit that profile.
      
      One thing’s for sure, it is already being framed as an issue of “health inequality” as though you should pander to people who disrespect and abuse their own bodies, and leave others to wait.
      
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      February 5, 2021 9:36pm
- 3-coil
  
  I totally agree Maggy – this would not occur in any other forum in NZ (ok, A-NZ since it’s almost waitangi day).
  
  We have a human rights commission, hiding behind their “TeKahui Tiki Tangata” moniker, to fight unlawful discrimination. But they are evidently too gutless to take on the elephant in the room: this ingrained Maori sexism, tolerated because it is “traditional cultural practice”. These race-based double standards render TKTT’s credibility non-existant.
  
  The old male sexist pigs calling the shots for Ngapuhi reveal what a hypocritical sham it is by okaying one white female party leader, but then they’re too scared to listen to Judith Collins speak. Maori are apparently unable to meet the same levels of accountability as all the other citizens in our country, so they are given a lower bar – a special pass, because they’re too feeble to meet the national standard.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:23am
  - giltee
    
    I never saw and wouldn’t watch Ja-cinder speaking dribble at waitangi. Did she wear a hajib or Piupiu to show her support for women in 2 cultures that are regarded as having less rights than men?
    
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    February 5, 2021 1:52pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The rights of the Marae belong on the Marae. We interfere with those relationships by having Aotearoa taking over NZ. Some are longing for the formal re-introduction of utu.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:54am
- alwyn
  
  It isn’t the fault of the Maori men, Maggy. It is due to the colonisation by the White people.
  There was a claim to the Waitangi Tribunal about it back in 1993. The Mana Wahine claim as it was known. A brief summary of the matter is as follows.
  “In 1993, a group of Maori women submitted a claim to the Waitangi Tribunal (hereafter referred to as the Mana Wahine claim) alleging that the Crown’s actions and policies since 1840 have systematically discriminated against Maori women and deprived us of our spiritual, cultural, social and economic well-being which is protected by the Treaty of Waitangi. The impetus for the claim was the removal of a respected Maori woman elder from the shortlist of appointees to the Treaty of Waitangi Fisheries Commission and the control of the fisheries settlement process almost exclusively by the Crown and Maori men. The Minister of Maori Affairs at the time, Doug Kidd, responded to news of the claim with the comment that the lack of status accorded to Maori women was the fault of Maori men — not the Crown.? The Minister’s comment illustrated the Crown’s unsympathetic attitude towards the position of Maori women and the Crown’s unwillingness to consider its part in discriminating against Maori women. The Mana Wahine claim is yet to be heard by the Waitangi Tribunal.”
  This was taken from
  http://www.nzlii.org/nz/journals/NZYbkNZJur/2005/15.html#:~:text=In%201993%2C%20a%20group%20of,economic%20well%2Dbeing%20which%20is
  I believe that hearings on this claim are supposed to begin this month.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:07am
  - giltee
    
    Kev Kev Kev its New Zealand. The name Aotearoa was an evil colonialist invention because Maori only had individual names for the south and north islands.
    Alwyn it’s not the crown that’s discriminated against Maori women, it’s their culture. The treaty clearly says all will be treated as equal. But no doubt the waitangi kangaroo court will blame it on the evil colonialists.
    
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    February 5, 2021 2:01pm
    - alwyn
      
      I guess I should have put /sarc or suchlike after the second sentence.
      
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      February 5, 2021 3:42pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      A very good article, beautifully written on the Australian today, about colonialist rhetoric and victim hood. And how Australia wasn’t formed as a perfect country but it was the beginning of a journey from a penal colony to an open democratic society that could learn from is failures and build on its achievements. “ To say that is not to deny that many were excluded from its benefits and protections. Yet it is also undeniable that the circle of belonging was progressively extended, securing, however unevenly, an ever fuller measure of political and civic equality. Social progress and material improvement therefore went largely peacefully together, which, in a world strewn with violence and hatred, is so remarkable a blessing as to richly deserve being feted.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/australia-day-invasion-rhetoric-perpetuates-victimhood/news-story/0b107f338305edc34dee33585a0060da
      
      [Paywalled – Mod.]
      
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      February 5, 2021 6:34pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  There are no inequities in “Aotearoa” – there is no such country.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:42am
  - dave_c_
    
    Likewise, there is no news, no weather forecasting, no benefit system, no child and poverty or support et al, in Aotearoa !
    
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    February 5, 2021 12:33pm
- The Housekeeper
  
  It’s ironic that the Mana Wahine Inquiry is being held to discover why Māori women have been marginalised for far too long and how the impact of colonisation has caused the negation of rights over their bodies, minds, and beliefs.
  
  A substantial voice granted and paid for by their heinous oppressors. The voice denied them by their own people. These women look determined, you’d think they might have dealt with their own men’s oppression and shortcomings before calling out everyone else’s.
  
  In a rapacious quest for funding, Maori are very quick to point the finger at others. When will we address the oppression occurring from within Maoridom? Not only equal speaking rights either, don’t stop there. How about the abuse of our children, not least continually portraying them as losers with special needs? Knowing the risks, wouldn’t you take extra care to keep them away from the harm of drugs, alcohol and crime? The inquiry has been a long time coming but what on earth have these women been doing for the last 28 years?
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/435730/mana-wahine-inquiry-original-claimant-ripeka-evans-gives-evidence
  
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  February 5, 2021 1:55pm
New Zealander

It’s no surprise that for all the talk of “empowering women”, our politicians went to Waitangi yesterday and grovelled in spite of the female Leader of the Opposition not being allowed to speak.

“We will ask our tribal elders and experts whether it can happen next year!” – give me a break. Bill English knew all too well that going to Waitangi was a waste of time. It achieves nothing but grandstanding and a feeling of self-importance for those who participate.
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February 5, 2021 8:07am
- graham
  
  Interestingly, this reminds me of Maggie Pie’s comment in yesterday’s GD:
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/02/general_debate_04_february_2021.html#comment-2883799
  
  Entitled “10 Decolonisation Skills for Non-Maori Kiwis”, I couldn’t help but chuckle when I saw this one:
  
  ‘Resist Pakeha culture being imposed on others’
  
  So tell me again – whose culture is more and more frequently being imposed on others here in New Zealand?
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “It achieves nothing but grandstanding and a feeling of self-importance for those who participate.”
  Precisely why Jaspinda is there
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:32am
  - Simon
    
    Calls for Tokyo 2020 Games chief Yoshiro Mori to resign after sparking a sexism row by claiming women speak too much in meetings, reports say
    
    https://mobile.twitter.com/AFP/status/1357193050645176323
    
    Lol.
    
    Sorry Comrades maybe some of Maori tribes have got this one right just like the Japanese Olympics dude.
    
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    February 5, 2021 8:43am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      The muslim relegion has got it down to even a finer art, her the woman in a separate door to a separate room and they can talk all they like but no one can hear them except themselves.
      
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      February 5, 2021 9:43am
- Nickc2
  
  Waitange Day is a fn great wank!
  Fortunately, it only lasts 1 day.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:33am
  - Flossie
    
    One day you say?….seems like several already.
    
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    February 5, 2021 12:05pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Agree. When there is a possibility free money may be tossed around, time is of little/no consequence. Ngapui played for time and they scored something like $150 Million (it’s tucked away in a bundle of meaningless words, but they will get it).
      
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      February 5, 2021 1:17pm
  - giltee
    
    Waitangi Day is what I call NZ’s “great day of shame” and to me it was always Maori day. It should be “New Zealand Day” and it would make it inclusive of all in NZ instead of just a day off as it is to most.
    
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    February 5, 2021 2:07pm
- Flossie
  
  Did we not “empower” NZ women in 1893 ? Why is maoridom so entrenched in keeping things as they were a couple of centuries ago, but fully expect to take advantage of the advances in the non-maori world.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:02am
  - tf78
    
    Flossie, because ‘they can’.
    
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    February 5, 2021 4:41pm
Jack5

Jacinderella tightens her grip on the moribund print media with $50 million of subsidies to back “community journalism”. These should at least keep Stuff afloat.

The money builds on the present $1 million Local Democracy Reporting fund, supplied through New Zealand on Air, and administered by Radio New Zealand. This pays for half a dozen or so regional reporters who supply stories to the newspapers and Radio NZ.

The Herald reminds us that last April the Government coughed up $50 million for the media, mainly broadcasters, though, this included “$16.5 million to reduce media organisations’ NZ on Air content contribution fees for the 2020-21 financial year; $1.3 million for central government and Crown entities to take up news media subscriptions; and $11.1 million for targeted assistance to companies if needed.”

These lolly scrambles are a good investment for politicians. Who pays the piper, calls the tune.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-planning-new-fund-for-community-journalism/GBR5VNE6VXARD5MKJCZVNXVM6I/
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February 5, 2021 8:18am
- Thought Criminal
  
  As if the media weren’t biased enough before the bribes.
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:14am
  - curry4me
    
    Thought Criminal: I can’t see the point in paying something to do what they always have done gratis previously.
    
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    February 5, 2021 2:29pm
Yvette

… three years ago, on her first visit to Waitangi as prime minister, that Jacinda Ardern asked Māori leaders to “hold us to account”.
Māori speakers used this year’s occasion to share stories of suicide, of disenfranchisement from the health system, and of unwarranted police harassment – 1 News

“This is Aotearoa. There will always be clouds” – Ardern
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February 5, 2021 8:23am
- giltee
  
  New Zealand
  
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  February 5, 2021 2:11pm
- alloytoo
  
  There will always be clouds, but Robertson has already hocked the silver lining.
  
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  February 5, 2021 3:41pm
Yvette

Figures reveal key to housing crisis
New data shows a lack of supply has been a key driver in New Zealand’s skyrocketing house prices.
Figures from homes.co.nz and Infometrics reveal the regions with the highest number of houses built have had the slowest growth in prices – 1 News

The simple truth that exists beyond Ardern’s clouds
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February 5, 2021 8:26am
- Sofia
  
  ‘This is Aotearoa, there will always be clouds’ – PM defends her Government’s record for Māori
  
  This is human existence, but there will always be some shit about – a translation for a world-wide audience to admire Ardern’s succinctness, integrity and wisdom.
  
  But in particular Aotearoa, in one of its many supposed meanings, refers to “Land of the Long White Cloud”, a specific reference Labour is following in its record of all policy delivery.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:25am
  - doublehappy
    
    From casual observation, I think the people on this site use the word I won’t mention at least 4 times for every use of New Zealand, the place I call home. Whilst this happens, the word will soon replace my home, and I will be very sad. I doubt we will get a referendum on this, that would be democratic, and we no longer have democracy in New Zealand.
    
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    February 5, 2021 12:59pm
    - giltee
      
      DoubleHappy you can always leave which is what I did 2 years ago, the best decision of my life because from across the Tasman I’ve realised that I can’t live in NZ any more. Even from here it makes me ill. Australia is a great country and I respect/envy Ozzie’s patriotism. Sure they’ve got their warts but it’s not my country and I don’t get involved in it.
      
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      February 5, 2021 2:23pm
      - doublehappy
        
        My thoughts are that if I were younger, that is exactly what I would do. I’m near mid-’70s now and have medical insurance and the need for it. There would be no stopping me if I were a bit younger. I too am happy to make digs at the Aussies, but I admire their patrism, desire to win and they have a spine, which the sheeple of NZ are lacking.
        
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        February 5, 2021 2:56pm
  - tf78
    
    I wish someone would run some interference in her ear piece and give us all a break.
    
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    February 5, 2021 4:45pm
Frank the tank

So who is the Blairite going to invite to her wedding and which of the international ‘guests’ will get prioritized and/or allowed to isolate in private residences?

Surely the international elite of woke such as Harry, Megs, US late night hosts, musicians and actors will all be racing to get over to the coronation of the WuFlu Queen and her bride, the fisherman.

What mischief will the fisherman, Nashy & co on the stag do? How many wokeplods will Coster have to deploy so the shenanigans can be suppressed?

Perhaps the wiggles could stay over and be the reception entertainment? Phil Tywford as comedic relief?

Will “absolutedly”, “team of 5 million” and “I refute that” be part of the wedding vows? Will there be token Maori words used in the ceremony and vows? Will the wedding dress have a Maori cloak (korowai for the woke)?

How much media fawning will their be over the world’s most amazing flower girl – Te Awamutu Ardern? Will Simple Simon cry when presenting OneWokeNews’ piece on the world’s most special child?

Who is going to be the MC – Aunty Helen? Trev the duck? Dai Henwood? Michelle Obama?

Who really is liked in the Blairite’s inner circle? Which close minister doesn’t get an invite and has a meltdown and starts leaking (would be priceless if Angry)? Which Nat MP gets invited and gets shit for the next 2 years?

So many possibilities…so many possibilities.

I can’t wait – what a fitting way to continue (little) Aotearoa’s march into the third world…….
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February 5, 2021 8:26am
- Bill Felt
  
  will the dress be white?
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:36am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Oh don’t go there. Just don’t go there……..
    
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    February 5, 2021 9:53am
  - oldfella
    
    No, red, Comrade Bill, red.
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:36am
- GazzaW
  
  ……..and what will a grateful nation purchase as a wedding gift for the happy couple?
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:59am
  - IC5000
    
    A third term. Doesn’t it make you gag in rage?
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:21am
    - Frank the tank
      
      No quite comfortable with our ever continuing plod into the third world. I’m at peace with it and happy to mock from the shadows.
      
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      February 5, 2021 10:29am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Paraphrasing the third best sports sledge i’ve ever heard:
    
    “3 MORE YEARS BOYS, 3 MORE YEARS BOYS”
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:27am
    - Ruahine
      
      Frank…
      
      With the mummyfication of New Zealand going so well it really is, ‘3 more years girls’.
      
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      February 5, 2021 2:24pm
  - Nickc2
    
    A one-way ticket to the UN I hope. No refunds if not used immediately.
    
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    February 5, 2021 1:42pm
- IC5000
  
  > So who is the Blairite going to invite to her wedding
  
  Didn’t you lot think she is a communist? How is the new dictatorship of the proletariat working out for you or was that some other shit that you all made up?
  
  Again
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:23am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Ahh the lazy intellectual shortcut of stereotypes. I expected more of you – plenty of subgroups here if you cared more than a cursory glance.
    
    Or perhaps you are one of the feckless 4th estate?
    Research, objectivity and hard work are anathemas for the majority of these people.
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:34am
  - giltee
    
    Sorry if we upset you IC5000. Maybe you’ll get an invite
    
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    February 5, 2021 2:27pm
- oldfella
  
  Frank, I think the wedding should be televised, live, on all free-to-air channels simultaneously and streamed live to an international audience of possibly dozens.
  I also advocate asking the Queen if Aotearoa can borrow her coach, that gold thingy, so our own royal couple can ride through the streets to the cheers of Glorious Leader’s hysterical fans.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:35am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Don’t laugh I’m confident Simple Simon has already pitched the idea to the bosses. I miss the former lingerie model at least she was easy on the eye…..
    
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    February 5, 2021 12:08pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    A tumbrel would be a better fit and easier to find than a pumpkin masquerading as a gold coach imo . . .
    
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    February 5, 2021 12:52pm
  - giltee
    
    Maybe the fairy godmother will convert a pumpkin into a golden carriage, Nats front-benchers into horses and Winston into a footman for our very own Cinderella.
    
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    February 5, 2021 2:31pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I think you’re confusing us with an audience that gives a shit.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:44am
  - oldfella
    
    To use the acronym I learned on KB this week: DILLIGAF.
    
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    February 5, 2021 12:57pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Hat-tip Kevin Bloody Wilson
      
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      February 5, 2021 1:47pm
fernglas

A good illustration of the effect of Covid on a population is India, which doesn’t vaccinate for flu and has done little about Covid. The mean number of deaths per annum from flu there is about 130.000 against current Covid deaths of 155,000. I imagine under-reporting is about the same for both. India of course is different from other populations, although I note that in the UK, South Asians are twice as likely to die from Covid than whites. I should note that the population of India is 1.366 billion, so the difference in deaths between Covid and flu is scarcely significant.
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February 5, 2021 8:31am
- NoFax
  
  I suspect the answer to India doing far better than North America or Europe comes down to their doctors treating patients well before they get to hospitals. Currently, in Europe and NA, if you have Covid, unless you are in hospital there is no treatment. In India, and other parts of the world they are treating patients with Ivermectin and other drugs well before hospitalization. But of course, what could we learn from them?
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:54am
- giltee
  
  The Wuhan virus is declining in India as is in America and some other countries where it’s been running rampant.
  https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/india/india-showing-declining-trend-of-covid-19-cases-since-last-4-months-govt/amp_articleshow/80646380.cms
  
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  February 5, 2021 2:36pm
Simon

Man made climate change fraud rolls on. Good news is that China has committed to being zero carbon emissions. No believes this bollocks.

China and zero emissions much easier spot for fraud than the continuing climate propaganda for the masses.
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February 5, 2021 8:35am
SB2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
A random most pertineant question :

What has become of Sidney Powell of Kraken Wake’s infamy?

Is she pursuing another fruitless attempt to recover her legal costs from Trump now tha he has gone ( hopefully permanently ) to ground?
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February 5, 2021 8:36am
- Frank the tank
  
  You still have TDS then? You might need therapy to move on.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:37am
- KevO'Brien
  
  You should see the almighty stir now in the USA. Platforms are still being taken down and 75 million+ domestic terrorists. Re-arrangements are taking place and sometimes lying low while the nursing home candidate with his carers performs is smart. Have you counted the 30K+ troops now in DC?
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:05am
  - RichardX
    
    Citation required for 30,000+ figure
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:23am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The reports were 25K or more there for the inauguration. They don’t seem to have been recalled and there are recent reports of further increases. Getting detailed actual facts out of DC at present is almost impossible. My number is consonant with several reasonable sources.
      
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      February 5, 2021 2:22pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Agree Kev. I found assertions of at least 30k at the inauguration (who are apparently still there) and was going to post them but got carried away with some trivia by Batman and forgot.
        
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        February 5, 2021 2:28pm
      - Batman
        
        It is generally accepted by the factual world to be 25,000 that were there.
        
        The number is de-escalating now that the violent insurrectionist mob are running away from the FBI, or have already been arrested.
        
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        February 5, 2021 3:35pm
      - RichardX
        
        What sources?
        
        Without sources you are making shit up.
        
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        February 5, 2021 2:47pm
      - RichardX
        
        KOB,
        Have you counted the 30K+ troops now in DC?
        
        I am asking you the very question you asked earlier.
        
        It looks like the answer is no.
        
        Why make shit up?
        
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        February 5, 2021 3:00pm
      - tf78
        
        Kev, they may be there to arrest all the Dem decenters.
        
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        February 5, 2021 6:22pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Texas & Florida have withdrawn their National Guard, because they were disrespected by the Dem administration – checked just in case they were right wing extremists, then ignored & forced to sleep in garages.
        
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        February 5, 2021 7:30pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    There are 30K troops in DC to protect the oligarchs from the people. Anyone who cannot see this is deluding themselves. Those troops will NOT leave DC in March, guarantee it.
    
    Now showing all the hallmarks of a failed state, the US can no longer project any moral authority, on the basis of having a “moral” society, and an “open” society. They cannot legitimately and credibly point to the go-to authoritarians in China and Russia, for instance, because the US under Biden is already a less-free nation than it was three months ago.
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:44am
    - RichardX
      
      KevO’Brien
      …
      Have you counted the 30K+ troops now in DC?
      FEBRUARY 5, 2021 10:05AM
      
      The Proper Ghandi
      There are 30K troops in DC to protect the oligarchs from the people. Anyone who cannot see this is deluding themselves. Those troops will NOT leave DC in March, guarantee it.
      FEBRUARY 5, 2021 10:44AM
      
      Without evidence of 30k troops you are making shit up.
      
      I have looked for evidence supporting the claim and can find nothing. Reports vary but most are stating 5,000 troops.
      
      KOB has been banging on about insurrection / military intervention for months and has not been correct about it once.
      
      It is embarrassing that someone can be so wrong so often.
      
      KevO’Brien
      And I think the master is getting ready to declare insurrection.
      Time will tell.
      DECEMBER 24, 2020 2:08PM
      
      KevO’Brien
      …
      I project he will declare insurrection and the streets if necessary. I don’t expect him to accept a cheat as an usurper.
      DECEMBER 29, 2020 10:47AM
      
      KevO’Brien
      The military themselves may just step in.
      …
      Expect more.
      JANUARY 15, 2021 11:09AM
      
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      February 5, 2021 11:44am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        An opinion on a future course of action is just that. I was appalled at the blatant vote fraud–but they have to live with it. Trump may have been shut out of options and nothing further than his speech on 6 Jan detailing the fraud has occurred. His meeting was peaceful but others had plans.
        
        Expect more, just refers to wait an see what the future brings forth. God has His hands on this situation and I am expecting a fascinating year ahead.
        
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        February 5, 2021 2:34pm
      - giltee
        
        Haven’t heard anything about the BLM protests since they got their man in. Or perhaps the media doesn’t want anything negative to make their man look bad
        
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        February 5, 2021 2:40pm
      - Batman
        
        You don’t generally need to keep protesting once you have successfully voted a better candidate into office and they’ve pledged a new voting rights act and criminal justice reform.
        
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        February 5, 2021 3:32pm
      - RichardX
        
        FFS, Trump hasn’t fulfilled your prophecies so now you’re expecting your god to?
        
        Just how delusional are you?
        
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        February 5, 2021 2:47pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        @Batman – successfully voted a better candidate into office………
        HAHAHAHahahahaha – guffaw…guffaw.
        So Biden is doing so much more to better the American people………
        You are one deluded SOB.
        
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        February 5, 2021 7:33pm
- kloyd0306
  
  Biden cancels XL Pipeline.
  Magically, price of oil goes up.
  Plumbing & Pipe Fitters Union loses 11,000 jobs after voting for Joe.
  That’s week 1….
  Joe says America is a great country – after four years of Trump, who Made America Great Again.
  Media are suddenly silent about protests as well as record Chicago murders.
  Meanwhile, SB and similar light-minded friends are still worried about Trump, who is living, rent-free in their tiny minds.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:02pm
Swifty

The end of free and independent news media in NZ.

Latest bribery to be announced:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-planning-new-fund-for-community-journalism/GBR5VNE6VXARD5MKJCZVNXVM6I/

Damn the NZ Labour Party and damn the news media organisations that have/will take this money from the pockets of NZers.

Now just imagine if National came out and announced a policy of cancelling this media payola – what is more likely?

1. The news media companies and journos will all come out and say “Oh, that’s fine we don’t need the money anyway. This is good policy from National” Or,

2. Media companies and journos will spill lakes of ink decrying National and vigorously campaigning for the retention of this wonderful and virtuous Labour Party policy?

I say once again, this is the end of free and independent news media in NZ and there’s been barely a murmur.

Once again the NZ Labour Party uses the money of NZ families to buy support and gain electoral advantage.
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February 5, 2021 8:38am
- sooty
  
  Labour, taking the food out of the babies mouths!
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:38am
Swifty

Tom Sowell’s piece on the passing of his ‘best friend of 50 years’ Walter Williams:

https://www.unionleader.com/opinion/columnists/thomas-sowell-walter-e-williams-1936-2020/article_6b2fcf8d-6776-52f7-95e1-53a638121467.html
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February 5, 2021 8:40am
- alloytoo
  
  A thoughtful tribute.
  
  I think I might get a copy of Williams’ Apartheid book, that looks interesting.
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:05am
Greg Ettridge

Government to yet form another group of experts to fix the non existence good old fashioned maths.
Maybe they could start by actually giving the supposed teachers a few basic lessons in maths.
Most probably won’t hurt to send them to aisle 17 at bunnings and buy some hardened up material first.
Teachers that can’t repeat their 12 times table can’t teach maths.
Throw all calculators and computers out of all classes.
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February 5, 2021 8:44am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Most of the teachers can’t teach English either based on some of the CVs I see from young people.
  
  I studied English at school in Taiwan. I then studied English Literature at University. At school it was hard work. We did “parsing” studying the form of sentences broken down into component parts. Yes it was tedious. But as a result my written English is superior to most New Zealanders. (Sorry if that offends – I don’t want to be arrogant – it is just a fact.).
  
  Of course I did all this because I knew that being highly proficient in English would give me lifetime rewards.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Superior? If that offends, it is their own fault, not yours 🙂
    
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    February 5, 2021 9:58am
  - IC5000
    
    > Sorry if that offends – I don’t want to be arrogant – it is just a fact.
    
    It’s not a fact since NZ has a population around five million people and it would take a considerable amount of time for you to compare your written English to every New Zealander. This is something you have not done. [ Mod – cool it ]
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It seems you have little appreciation of the use of hyperbole in the English language.
      Most of us use figurative devices in our speech and writing to illustrate or emphasize points.
      
      If we were to demand a literal interpretation of everything folks wrote on KB (or elsewhere), we’d soon bore each other rigid.
      
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      February 5, 2021 11:46am
      - IC5000
        
        I am an immigrant to Australia (and a citizen). I came here for the superior career opportunities, the beaches and women. I would be a clown if I immigrated to a country then slagged off the inhabitants while taking advantage of these opportunities. NZ and Australia have hundreds millions of people wanting to immigrate and make a new life there as these countries are superior to their own. It cannot be hard to find some that are grateful for the opportunity. And if you dislike the original inhabitants so much then living there is not compulsory.
        
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        February 5, 2021 12:21pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      ” it would take a considerable amount of time for you to compare your written English to every New Zealander.”
      
      That is unhelpful. That is why we have sampling. Let’s say there are 3,500,000 adults of working age in New Zealand. For me to be confident that I have superior English skills than the mean English skills, at a 95% confidence level and a 3.5% confidence interval, I woulds need to have sampled 780 adults. I have been here 15 years. So that is 1 adult per week. And I have done way more than that.
      
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      February 5, 2021 12:37pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        ?
        Math (well, predictive stats) used to refute an argument. Made my KB day.
        
        PS Based on Benedicts posts over these years, I’d be willing to say his command of English is better than most Kiwis too (but then I seem to be queen of the typos lately to take with lashings of fleur de sel).
        
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        February 5, 2021 2:25pm
      - IC5000
        
        Except of course it wasn’t sampling in the scientific sense as there was no selection of a population to sample from just random people who you came across which is why you methodology lacks any rigor. Of course there was no objective test or benchmark that their English was worse than yours just your ‘feeling’.
        
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        February 5, 2021 3:19pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        @IC5000,
        
        some of your argument has merit. It is clear the KB commenters are a skewed *political* demographic… I am not sure how a right-leaning political demographic maps onto the proficiency in English Language in NZ. I suspect it is better than normal, but can tell you from experience the right leaning or very right demographicc in the USA is NOT so proficient in [American] English, due to poor educational opportunities and outcomes.
        
        The rest of your post is either nonsense, or misunderstanding of statistical sampling. By definition, the random assortment of comments on a blog over a period of time as long as Benedict cites shows an ebb and flow of commenters (apart from hard-core sad people like myself, and possibly he should adjust by X% for us tragics). But your refutation of “randomness” and population variables, is not as strong as you think, given Benedict’s decade-or-more sample size.
        
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        February 5, 2021 5:40pm
      - IC5000
        
        There is no scientific basis to Benedict’s ‘study’, just a spewing out of number under the verisimilitude of the scientific method which he clearly tries to intimidate with but it’s nothing that a 1st year psychology student with a credit average cannot see through. It therefore should be treated with the contempt it deserves.
        
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        February 6, 2021 12:06am
- jon
  
  Well said Greg!!!
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:06am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    A few years back my grand daughter wanted to work in our food van, no tills or calculators, first customer bought $10 of tucker with $20 she gave him $30 change. I asked her if someone gave her $2 and owed $1.50 how much change, she couldn’t answer me. I almost wept, instead I said to the war office, either we get her off the cash cash or go and get a massive float.
    It is the same with spell checker, they just learn nothing, half have it on US Language setting.
    
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    February 5, 2021 9:53am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Have you got two tens for a five?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7pMYHn-1yAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7pMYHn-1yA
      
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      February 5, 2021 11:02am
    - tf78
      
      It’s funny Greg, I had the opposite with our youngest red head – if you were to take money off him or he was to spend it he caught on very quickly to who was owed what.
      
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      February 5, 2021 6:29pm
- Jack5
  
  Greg gets my support on the benefit of memorised tables as a basic for arithmetic, but only as a stepping stone and only in the earliest stage of education.
  
  Tables are nowhere near enough. As they progress through class years, kids need to be enticed into the basics of wider maths.
  
  To broaden this into a full technology and science education, we have the help of brilliant cheap tools like the Raspberry Pi range.
  
  Sadly, for most of our teachers, their enthusiasm, skills, and experience largely support indoctrination of global weather change, carbon dioxide levels, and indigenous culture. Most teachers are in the range of weak to pathetic when it comes to maths and technology.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The only qualification they need is how too operate a keypad.(not sarc)
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:04am
  - Bob
    
    Most teachers only have a degree in basket weaving.
    There are very few, as a percentage, who have degrees in English, Mathematics, technology or any of the sciences
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:16am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That degree of techyness is not for most. Most primary teachers are selected for verbal skills and social compliancy–useless for set theory which underlies present school maths.
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:38am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Memorised tables are good because they give you the tools to do a rough “sensibility check” on the results of div/mult/ratio/% etc sums where the answer is evaluated on a calculating device.
    
    When was the last time anyone here divided a 6 digit number by a 3-digit number using manual long division? Ditto for long multiplication.
    
    Too bad we went decimal in 1967 – long multiplication of pounds shillings and pence was a serious sort of skill …. 🙂
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:03am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Most teachers are in the range of weak to pathetic when it comes to maths and technology.
    
    Interviewed a few hundred have you?
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:04am
    - Jack5
      
      You do a statistically correct random check for each of your opinions, do you Ian?
      
      International comparisons; experience of children, grandchildren and their friends and parents; school teacher and ex teacher friends and acquaintances; adult part-time courses; and looking at work brought home – these are the bases of my opinions about NZ education.
      
      As I recollect, Ian, you have a Ph.D. in engineering. I trust you didn’t limit your maths to the “vege” maths courses like those they used to run at Canterbury for engineering students.
      
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      February 5, 2021 11:21am
      - Ian Boag
        
        “vege” maths courses like those they used to run at Canterbury for engineering students.
        
        If you say so. I wouldn’t have called them that when I was there in the mid 60’s. Lots of calculus which is what one would expect in an engineering school. My PhD is from a Canadian uni.
        
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        February 5, 2021 11:42am
  - tf78
    
    Jack, our DIL is a science and chemistry teacher – top of her field and loves it, therefore her students love it.
    
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    February 5, 2021 6:31pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  You know that they’ll be bringing in privilege/racism etc into the syllabus right?
  People that can do basic math are a threat to the Left’s ability to control everyone. Much better they learn the importance of “diversity” and Maori “victimhood”.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:19am
  - oldfella
    
    I think we should all switch to Maori math. It’s bound to be superior as Maori were a highly developed race before whitey arrived and ruined everything.
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:46am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Return to the maths teaching of the early 1950’s.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I’ll go with that. Born in 52 and could do the 12 times tables before I started going to school. No calculators, no TV, no computers, no vid games
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:12am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Add to that. I picked up base 10 very quick using marbles that I won(gambling LOL)
      
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      February 5, 2021 10:14am
- Weinerpoop
  
  At parent teacher interviews last year my then 7 year old’s teacher told us that my son’s math’s skills would be helped by learning the times table but that she wasn’t legally allowed to tell us that or teach it in the classroom. I thought that was absolutely crazy
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:23am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The tables can be taught in one term at about age 10.
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:09am
    - Bob
      
      In the 1950’s Tables were taught at about the 7 yr age. Along with basic arithmetic skills.
      
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      February 5, 2021 10:18am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        They did start young. I taught one of my 10 yr olds (or thereabouts) the whole set of tables in a few weeks. She was struggling and probably had table fatigue. Repeated rote learning doesn’t facilitate random access which is what is needed for practical application.
        Maggy’s rewards are much more effective.
        
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        February 5, 2021 2:17pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The tables can be taught in a very short time (minutes) when a $ reward is on offer.
      
      Try it on one of your kids/grandkids.
      
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      February 5, 2021 11:52am
      - Ian Boag
        
        You could buy a pencil case that had the tables baked in. 13 holes and a roller underneath. So if you turned the roller so that “7”” was in the leftmost window the others would show 7×1 through to 5×12. High tech in the mid 1950’s …..
        
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        February 5, 2021 1:28pm
- Fletch
  
  When I was a kid, my mom bought and taught us the times tables at home because they weren’t teaching it in school. At the time, she said to a teacher that the parent/teacher roles were reversing. “You take our kids on field trips to the museum etc, and we do the teaching at home”… The teacher agreed with her.
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:26am
  - artemisia
    
    Yes, my household used to call it cheap babysitting.
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:08am
Jack5

One of our seagoing posters might enlighten us on why so many containers are being lost off ships.

Last May a ship lost about 40 containers off the New South Wales coast, and in total it lost about 70 containers off Australia. Surgical masks were some of the cargo that washed up on Australian beaches.

The ONE Apus loses nearly 2000 containers in the Pacific. It rolled in a storm, and overboard they went:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-shipping-container-accident-idUSKBN28E0T7
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February 5, 2021 8:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My guess is all of that weight up high breaks the twistlocs and turnbuckles under the stress when rolling in a storm
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:17am
- Andrei
  
  Very few containers are lost at sea in the scheme of things Jack5.
  
  The containers in a stack are locked together by twistlocks and then the stacks secured by lashing rods which are tensioned in a crisscross pattern on each side of the stack.
  
  The tension of the lashing rods are continually checked during the voyage and if necessary they are retensioned
  
  What can happen is the stacks have a natural resonance which is every engineers nightmare and if a swell matches the natural frequency or a harmonic thereof of the stack the oscillation in the stacks can build up which is where the accidents can occur
  
  Containers are not loaded willy nilly but to a plan and the behaviour of the stacks calculated before loading in order to meet logistical and safety requirements
  
  But in this world perfection is impossible and shit occaisionaly happens.
  
  One fascinating phenomina provided you are not at sea and encounter one are the rogue waves when two independant waves temporarily superimpose to create a huge one.
  
  We hit one which probably wasn’t that big off Cape Agulhas in 1978 – the steel foremast was bent by nearly 45 degrees, everything in the ship that was not secured ended up on the deck, and few came through unbruised, Just in the wrong place at the wrong time…
  
  But one or both of those phenonmina in combination will acount for the loss of those containers overboard
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:26am
  - Jack5
    
    Thank you, Andrei.
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:25am
  - Bluegrass
    
    The Agulhas Current can create some nasty seas to the extent that as the bow dips into the trough at a sharp angle the weight of the water on the fore deck as she rises back up can break frames.
    
    See the Bencruachan https://www.shippingtandy.com/features/editors-mailbox-december-2014/
    
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    February 6, 2021 3:03pm
- plc
  
  I thought it was a euphemism for the pilfering at the ports
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:53am
  - sooty
    
    Containers were introduced to help stop that!
    
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    February 5, 2021 1:25pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Something I’ve beeen thinking as well. Basically they are getting bigger containerships.
  Of interest was the latest last week which were all empty containers by all accounts which is unusual as no racking forces at play.
  “I” believe its because the beam of these larger vessels 30 m is in direct proportion to the large swell / sea amplitude ( ie frequency) of waves.
  These large vessels ( As all container vessels) are severely prone to sychronised rolling or parametric rolling.
  Also remember more freight is carried on these large Container vessels as opposed to smaller “feede” vessels so are more prevalent in incidents etc.
  But in a nutshell , There beam and parametric rolling fits “nicely in the Goldilocks zone” of large swells 8-10m range and just like a pendulum the rolling gets worse with each swell being in Synchronisation with roll period.
  Remember too in simple terms “the more weight up high” the less violent the roll ( simplistic). Im thinking a lot of high GN ( Large stability) and hence more violent roll.
  A lot of container vessel (box boats) are returning to China with a lot of empty containers to cash in on hire rates to US/ Europe full. Basically leaving cargo behind to take back empties 20/40 ft
  Ill see what else i can find
  
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  February 5, 2021 3:01pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Meant GM not GN. Centre of Gravity and the Metacentre.
    
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    February 5, 2021 3:04pm
  - tf78
    
    MM, but can they be powered by solar panels?
    
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    February 5, 2021 6:37pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      strange enough they use “spinning reserve” to charge battery bank when power generation is in excess.
      A lot looking into this technology, Mainly Vaard, Wartsilla to name a few.
      Solar, Nope as power for Reefers +4 to -20 consume a lot of energy.
      A lot of R & D going in however, more so with Hybrid.
      
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      February 5, 2021 8:36pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    Indeed. And parametric rolling was rarely taught in merchant marine academies pre-box ships.
    
    Funny, that…
    
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    February 6, 2021 3:07pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Latest States to China , regarding empty containers.
  These vessels need weight up high to keep within a certain GM ( A function of vessels roll period).
  
  https://gcaptain.com/msc-boxship-loses-containers-in-the-pacific/
  
  It has all the latestest links in article regarding other casulaties.
  All or most appear to be large box boats 20,000teu +
  These are mostly all too big to enter NZ ports, Hence the rates on smaller ships in NZ has gone up, ie freight costs.
  Ive been saying for ages.
  https://theloadstar.com/container-shortage-and-high-prices-hamstringing-supply-chains-in-thailand/
  https://theloadstar.com/a-look-back-at-2020-the-year-that-container-supply-chains-collapsed/
  
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  February 5, 2021 3:30pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    The box ships usually roll a lot less (so as not to shed the boxes) than the old general cargo ships of yore, but unlike the old general cargo ships back in the 60’s and 70’s where I’ve stared down at the water from the bridge wing on 45′ rolls either side and felt quite safe, on box ships at those angles in a beam sea and a long swell – not so much.
    
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    February 6, 2021 3:20pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Here you go Jack, Best up to date info from Industry.
  
  https://splash247.com/splash-extra-why-are-so-many-boxes-being-lost-at-sea/
  
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  February 5, 2021 5:48pm
KH

Dunedin tells the residents of two small towns there is dangerous lead in their water supply. After not telling them since August.
Meanwhile Dunedin’s Mayor, Aaron Hawkins, who dislikes cars, has staff looking for carparking to block.
Such is local government in New Zealand.
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February 5, 2021 9:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Imagine the damage if these clowns worked(sic) in the Private Sector
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:27am
  - tf78
    
    Steve, their feet wouldn’t even touch the floor in the private sector, you know that’s why they’re where they are.
    
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    February 5, 2021 6:43pm
jon

Re the proposed Maori council wards..HOPEFULLY the word will be spread far and wide about the Taxpayer’s Union online petition opposing such a move..PLEASE SIGN.
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February 5, 2021 9:04am
- doublehappy
  
  The petition address: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm&ogbl#inbox/WhctKJWQdjPSDtzRzHLCPhnDGVmskdfBzsDBkXfSGsKSklDCcSblvPZVfxNrblmXLlVjWVG
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:08am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    No its not
    
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    February 5, 2021 12:59pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Your link returns a [cannot be loaded] response. Censorship? Probably.
    
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    February 5, 2021 1:53pm
  - giltee
    
    Here’s the petition and it works:
    https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/maori_wards?e=178227e440881c019d66d8b52f4c86d7&utm_source=taxpayers&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=210204_maori_wards_petition&n=1
    
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    February 5, 2021 3:08pm
    - Nickc2
      
      TKS, signed.
      
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      February 5, 2021 9:32pm
- giltee
  
  Thanks Jon and DoubleHappy. I have signed, emailed it, posted on FB and donated money. Come on KBers get involved because the rot is increasing and the lethargy of kiwis gives the racist sovereignty movement encouragement to keep NZ going down the apartheid path.
  
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  February 5, 2021 3:00pm
Inandout

The socialist dream eventually becomes a nightmare.
https://trends.gab.com/feed/5e56dcff1f94b1111db95a75/item/601c543074fa442529dd459e
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February 5, 2021 9:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Economics 101. Something the left will never comprehend
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:25am
- SB2
  
  Inandout,” See more at WND”
  
  Impeccable source?
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:00am
  - Inandout
    
    SB, I dodged CNN ages ago as an ‘impeccable source’. There is so much in depth news out there if you choose to explore. As an example, Newsmax and Blaze won’t bite.
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:06am
  - artemisia
    
    If you took a moment you would see this is being widely reported in the MSM.
    
    Though these days they might indeed not be impeccable sources.
    
    Looks like LA is following suit.
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:14am
lastmanstanding

So our kids are now going to be taught that White Man bad Maori man good.

White man raped pillage and burned. Maori man lived in peace love and harmony.

No mention of Maori cannabilism no mention of Moriori genocide.
This is the biggest rewrite of history in Western Civilisation.

But I’m not surprised as the Woke Left love Maori and all things Maori and loath Whites and all things White.

They especially loath White men like me how see through thru their shallow one level thinking.

Unlike me and others who prefer to embrace the good of all races and recognise these they are bound up in identity. They are one dimensional thinkers.
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February 5, 2021 9:20am
- Frank the tank
  
  Just teach your kids to be critical of what they hear/are taught and spend a little more on education to get better schools where a lot of this shit will be filtered out.
  
  My 12 and 11yr olds are already mistrustful of the media and can identify woke bullshit when they see it. My favorite line – “is such and such news presenter a dickhead as well”?
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:41am
  - SB2
    
    [Deleted – quit your trolling or face another (longer) ban. Final warning. Mod.]
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:02am
    - Frank the tank
      
      I understand the role of moderators and the legal pressures in 2021 however the funny thing about trolling is we should let the comments stand. In most ways they are more humiliating for the troll than banning.
      
      Indeed 20 years or so back stupid personal comments made on a sports field were taken as an acknowledgement of superiority of performance.
      
      I’ve always felt public humiliation and shame is a far greater tool than authoritarian banning.
      
      My thoughts anyway!
      
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      February 5, 2021 10:50am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’d agree if the troller was using his own name, but he isn’t.
        
        SB2/Stephieboy has been able to publish smears, and defamatory comments about me on this site and instructions for one commenter to kill himself.
        
        Ultimately, the person left carrying the can is the host of this blog.
        
        Part of the reason the trollers are on this blog is to attack folks whose views they dislike, but part of the reason is to cast opprobrium upon David Farrar.
        
        If we all behaved like reasonable adults and treated each commenter with respect and followed the rules of our host, then we wouldn’t need moderators.
        
        But as has been clearly demonstrated, there are folks who are willing to shit in KB’s nest.
        
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        February 5, 2021 12:07pm
- NoFax
  
  The musket wars must be taught as part of our history. These series of events explain why Maori signed the Treaty of Waitangi. By ignoring the Musket Wats the Treaty seems to come out of nowhere and is hard to explain. But if you include the Musket Wars then it makes perfect sense.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:51am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Learning about the Musket Wars is quite thought provoking. How did those Ngapuhi navigate around Coromandel peninsula without GPS. They were wonderful navigators. Taking into account the only power source on the waka was paddles that require immense energy, what did the canoeists eat. They couldn’t stop at Waihi for Kai For Cuzzies. Some books I have read suggest that some slaves may have been taken for “part” of the journey, hence a great source of protein for the hard working paddlers. Their navigational skills in going overland to Rotorua were phenomenal; no Google maps.
    There is much to admire and much to abhor about the Musket Wars.
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:46am
    - Tall Man
      
      “How did those Ngapuhi navigate around Coromandel peninsula without GPS. They were wonderful navigators. ”
      
      How did the whalers get her in order to sell the muskets without GPS or a coastline to follow.
      
      “Their navigational skills in going overland to Rotorua were phenomenal; no Google maps.”
      
      This book explains about the well used and well known “trading tracks”.
      
      https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14531969-te-wiremu–henry-williams
      
      Remember that maori had been here for a few huibdred years and had been trading and hunting near and far so had well established pathways and coastal routes.
      
      My great great grandfather used those routes when driving cattle to his farm in the north from Auckland I was told.
      
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      February 5, 2021 2:41pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You might be interested in “Waihou Journeys” by Caroline Phillips.
      
      https://aucklanduniversitypress.co.nz/waihou-journeys-the-archaeology-of-400-years-of-maori-settlement/
      
      Remember The Brits started arriving in this region from the 1790s looking for timber spars (as mentioned by Cook & Banks).
      
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      February 5, 2021 4:09pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Without GPS 🙂
        
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        February 5, 2021 9:15pm
- MCos
  
  It’s a funny thing then, last man, nobody has ever had a go at me because I’m a whitey or not the predominant religion for that matter.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:53am
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe it would have been different had you grown up in Northland rather than Timaru.
    
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    February 5, 2021 2:41pm
- giltee
  
  Yes LMS. I like to embrace the good of all races and try not see see colour before knowing the person but sadly in NZ it’s all about race. I’ll be retiring soon in Thailand where I’ll be a minority. Sure there’s some there who’re prejudiced against my fair skin but the good people are wonderful and far outweigh the bad. Perhaps we could look at it the same way in NZ and move on but no there’s no gravy train in that
  
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  February 5, 2021 3:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Learn something new every day.
https://notthebee.com/article/scientists-have-now-taught-spinach-to-send-emails-warning-of-landmines?
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February 5, 2021 9:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How long before PETA incudes spinach as an animal? If it can send email, you probably should not eat it
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:24am
  - Tarquin North
    
    I get plenty of emails from people that make spinach look intelligent.
    
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    February 5, 2021 9:36am
Maggie Pie

Just back home after an early game of Doubles.

Thought one of the girls raised an interesting question…..

“How many of our MIQ facilities are actually Chinese owned?”
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February 5, 2021 9:33am
- Frank the tank
  
  Chinese owned or owned by Chinese New Zealanders?
  
  Careful you don’t want to do a “Tywford”.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:44am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Doesn’t make a lot of difference I don’t think Frankie 😀
    It’s like that song says…
    
    “You can check out ant time you like,
    But you can never leave!”
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:03am
    - Frank the tank
      
      I’d be more worried about the riff raff to descend on Tindalls when Penlink is up and running. Better start planning your 3m walls and volunteer lifeguards for the countless ones that can’t swim.
      
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      February 5, 2021 10:42am
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  MP, do you or your girls have a MAGA hat that you all might like to part with now that it has become redundant?
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:05am
  - Frank the tank
    
    TDS is strong in this one
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You want one? I have about 8. Actually they are collectors items, just like the notes, coins, coffee mugs, flags, tees, bumper stickers I have.
    They will be used again in the yuge comeback
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:36am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Redundant? The MAGA movement, and its variants outside the US is (with apologies to WB Yeats) not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire. Trump’s presidency was merely prologue.
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:51am
  - Inandout
    
    SB, I read ‘redundant’ for your TDS, it becomes more milky by the day. Find a new hate.
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:11am
Happychappy

This was always on the cards after what happened with the Land grab from Fletchers at Ihumatoa, so now Maori know Jacinda Ardern and Labour will except that water is Maoris right and will pass over the right and let them control water rights of New Zealander’s.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/ng-ti-kahungunu-join-tahu-in-legal-action-against-crown-freshwater-rights
This maybe will be Jacinda Ardern downfall if she continues to follow the path she has started with Maori, Ihumatoa, Maori wards the new Matariki public holiday and other problems that are there to see so this is the New Zealand that the sheep want Jacinda to lead so when it starts to hurt you remember who wanted this Celebrity Prime Minister.
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February 5, 2021 9:37am
- giltee
  
  I have had a great idea and I get very few of them…. wait for it…. it’s coming…. I’m shaking with excitement
  
  LETS START A PETITION TO SCRAP THE WAITANGI TRIBUNAL.
  
  Bahahaha that’s be interesting
  
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  February 5, 2021 3:34pm
Maggie Pie

And another thing one of the girls at tennis was saying….

“This is the longest time a Prime Minister has ever spent at Waitangi in the history of New Zealand”
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February 5, 2021 9:39am
- sooty
  
  Got to be there tomorrow to cook the food.
  Wonder if she will be allowed to cook the eggs?
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well done. For some that will go whooosshhhh
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:08am
  - cmm
    
    I saw some stuff about wanting to outlaw the bbq because of climate change.
    
    I suppose Waitangi CO2 is different and is protected by The Treaty.
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Maybe Greta taught them to ‘see’ CO2, so they can avoid it?
      
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      February 5, 2021 10:39am
    - MCos
      
      That was some reference to discontinuing cooking gas rather than banning, as I recall.
      In Bangkok cooking gas is used everywhere, including on the street as anyone who has been there will know.
      The smoke from street cooking causes as much pollution as the internal combustion engines used by cars, trucks.
      In recent years a lot of these people have been cleared off the streets. Now there’s an even bigger problem with farmers burning off this time of year. Huge problem. It’s illegal, but the farmers have no viable alternate and the enforcement agencies do nothing about it.
      
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      February 5, 2021 11:29am
      - Frank the tank
        
        In 2019 I went to Bangkok for distributor training. Didn’t notice a hell of a lot of gas fired street cooking, Certainly not in quantities to create air pollution. I do remember to countless “massage” shops, really poor electricity wiring and that petrol was cheaper than bottled water.
        
        The thing that took me the most is how Bangkok is transitioning to a world class destination and I’m almost positive that this will be a much nicer place to live than Auckland in a couple of decades
        
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        February 5, 2021 1:07pm
      - MCos
        
        Entirely different to the 95% of the city you didn’t see.
        
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        February 5, 2021 2:24pm
      - giltee
        
        Bahahaha MCos you get the laugh of the day. The biggest polluters are transport and crop waste burning. Street stalls aren’t mentioned:
        https://www.ccacoalition.org/en/news/bangkok’s-air-pollution-reaches-dangerous-levels-researchers-are-working-determine-how-boats
        
        The street stalls have been moved on in an attempt to reclaim Bangkok’s crowded footpaths:
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-15/bangkok-street-food-vendors-forced-to-move-by-thai-government/8407610
        
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        February 5, 2021 3:43pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    I see what you did there
    
    Nice
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:05am
- pdm
  
  She has yet to cook the pork sausages and bacon on the breakfast barbie Maggie so she is going to be there a while longer.
  
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  February 5, 2021 9:47am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Hasn’t pork been banned yet, this needs to be a government priority.
    This is so unwoke, serving pork is a real no no.
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:22am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Where is the pork being sourced from? How long is it?
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:43am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, word on the street is that a marena may be announced at Waitangi to keep our royal family ‘inclusive’ with Islam.
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:03am
cmm

Oooh look, Chch wants to build an adult playground.

I suppose while we’re all playing on the slides we don’t worry about the broken pipes.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/124132370/no-kids-allowed-adults-playground-mooted-for-christchurch
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February 5, 2021 10:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Special kind of stupid here
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:42am
- Frank the tank
  
  The real issue here is the journalist is a SENIOR writer.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:07am
  - sooty
    
    Didn’t the duck make one at parliament!
    
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    February 5, 2021 2:52pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…..

Have all our ‘MIQ Hotels’ been swept for Bugs and hidden cameras?

Asking for a friend
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February 5, 2021 10:15am
- SB2
  
  MP, no!
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:24am
- Master Mariner
  
  Probably after the next influx of refugees would be my guess.
  Who knows what can fly out of hair?
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:38pm
MCos

Did Bill English go to Waitangi – No
Did the Nats coalition partner, the Maori Party win any seats in the 2017 election – No
Did Andrew Little go to Waitangi in 2017. He did & Labour won all seven Maori seats.
Paula Bennett went to Waitangi & Bill went to Bastion Point.

The writing was on the wall by then anyway & I doubt not even making an effort to stand candidates in the Maori seats would’nt have helped.
Now the Nats have the dilemma of the Maori wards to think about.
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February 5, 2021 10:15am
SB2

We are on the cusp of a major technological revolution that will see Lithium-ion giving way to solid sate batteries. It’s implications for EV transport will be staggering and profoundly ground breaking.

The extinction of the petrol and diesel engine is nigh,

“..Tech companies are deep in research and development to create new EV battery technology to steer away from Lithium-ion and to embrace the benefits of what solid-state has to offer.

Industry giants like Samsung, Toyota, QuantumScape (an American start-up company with investors like Bill Gates, Volkswagen and SAIC Motor) are in the race to turn EV battery usage on its head.

It promises to be the average EV owner’s dream – the answer to one of the most commonly mentioned EV adoption roadblocks – range anxiety and slow charge times. Just imagine being able to drive an EV further (up to 80%), charge it faster (to 80% in 10-15 minutes) and have a battery pack that outlasts the life expectancy of current batteries found in EVs.

Lab test outcomes have revealed that if solid-state batteries are used in EVs, an expected range upwards of 482km can be achieved and a battery can maintain 80% of its capacity for 800 cycles (which equates to at least 386,242km).

https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/motoring-blog/ev-charged-will-solid-state-batteries-fix-everything/
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February 5, 2021 10:22am
- rockape
  
  Solid state batteries about $ us 600 a Kw, most cars need about 100kw, It’s going to be a bloody expensive car with a starting point of 60,000 for the batteries alone.did you miss the last para, disadvantages? Where it states they are too expensive and would cost about Us$ 100, ooo to get the range you suggest. Maybe read the article before posting.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:08am
  - rockape
    
    What Are the Disadvantages?
    
    Because solid-state batteries are an emerging technology, they’re incredibly expensive to manufacture. So expensive, in fact, that they aren’t installed in any major consumer-grade electronics at the time of writing. In 2012, analysts writing for the University of Florida Software Analysis and Advanced Materials Processing department estimated that a typical cell phone-sized solid-state battery would cost about $15,000 to manufacture. One big enough to power an electric car would cost $100,000.
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:26am
- Frank the tank
  
  So given these types of batteries are expensive and (to date) unreliable what is the outcome – putting down a cool 150K for a 2028 Nissan Leaf that might not break down for 12 months?
  
  The fact that the car manufacturers are in control of the technology only means more cost for the end consumer. This is hardly altruistic.
  
  I’ll take my diesel ute any day of the week thanks
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:13am
- Inandout
  
  SB, dream on until the problems are sorted. If the 5 year olds in the mining pits are made redundant, then that is good.
  
  ‘You might wonder why solid-state batteries aren’t being used in EVs given they seen to be the panacea to the problems in lithium-ion batteries. But the challenge with solid-state batteries is they are very difficult to manufacture at scale.
  
  Not only are they currently too expensive to be pushed out into commercial use, there’s still a lot of work to be done to make them ready for mass market use, notably in EVs.
  
  At the moment, there’s still a need to find the right atomic and chemical composition for a solid electrolyte that has the right ionic conductivity to deliver enough power for an EV motor.
  
  That’s why we prefixed the advantages of solid-state batteries with ‘could’ as they’ve yet to prove themselves out in the real-world in a consumer gadget let alone an electric car.
  
  Getting the solid electrolyte right is particularly important as it’s the precursor to allowing the use of lithium anodes, which can produce more lithium-ions and thereby more energy. A solid-state electrode is thought to be the solution to the problem of damaging needle-like structures called dendrites forming on the anode as it charges’.
  carmagazine.uk
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:22am
- alloytoo
  
  um….Batteries of whatever type still have to be charged.
  
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  February 5, 2021 3:50pm
Thought Criminal

Lefty icon AOC turns out to have exaggerated the danger she was in during the capitol riots.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/02/04/aocs-capitol-story-is-crumbling/

This hash tag is trending #alexandriaocasiosmollett

She has also claimed to have been sexually assaulted this week. Should we believe her or should we denigrate her claims like the she did to the woman who accused Biden of sexual assault.

When victimhood becomes currency, is it inevitable that there will be counterfeiters?
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February 5, 2021 10:27am
- Thought Criminal
  
  https://www.rt.com/op-ed/514415-tara-reade-aoc-sexual-assault/
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is not all there, but also very dangerous
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:46am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Ahh the American Golriz. Take her with a grain of salt and encourage her to talk more.
    
    It alienates more of the general populace.
    
    I don’t know why people fear these types.
    
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    February 5, 2021 11:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Fear these types because the sheeple love her, follow her, and vote for her.
      Oh wait, we have them in NZ too
      
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      February 5, 2021 12:22pm
- Swifty
  
  The woman seems unbalanced.
  
  She has been proven to have staged photo-ops, has been proven to have lied in interviews and press statements, or at the least been absolutely reckless with facts and numbers, has been proven to have exaggerated to the extreme on multiple occasions and now with these recent vlogs she comes across as hysterical and unhinged.
  
  The woman is an absolute dramatist and I have reached the point where I no longer believe a word that comes out of her mouth.
  
  This guys has done many comprehensive takedowns of her claims and activities – here’s the latest one:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueOtoUffYIk
  
  There are many others worth a look too.
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:52am
  - Swifty
    
    Oh and anyone who labels Tucker Carlson or Shapiro as ‘far-right’ clearly either hasn’t a clue what they are talking about is has chosen to slur and defame people without evidence.
    
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    February 5, 2021 10:58am
    - Inandout
      
      Swifty, those two actually delve into things and analyse. The trouble with lefties is they won’t listen past a sound bite and just bark incessantly, using the same words like ‘racist’ and ‘deluded’.
      
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      February 5, 2021 11:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She’s a fake. Cries at a detention cage – which was a fence by an empty carpark
    
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    February 5, 2021 12:24pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Tim Pool has outright called her a liar.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prlmJQAf1ns
    
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    February 5, 2021 3:53pm
- MCos
  
  Reference is made in that article to someone called Nancy Mace, whose story seems to change depending on what suits her agenda.
  Here’s a couple of her tweets, firstly from the heat of 6-Jan and then later when she’s had a chance to tweak her narrative.
  https://twitter.com/thetnholler/status/1357352320204496901?s=21
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:13am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Nancy Mace saying that they evacuated their offices in Cannon House due to a nearby threat is very different to AOC’s claims of fearing for her life etc and is both 100% factual and in no way sensationalised.
    The statement about seeing capital police being assaulted by protesters didn’t mean it was happening right in front of her face, just that it is wrong and not “who we are”.
    Saying that no insurrectionists stormed their hallway doesn’t conflict with her original statement. I honestly don’t know how you could possibly see these two statements as conflicting. I know you want them top but they don’t.
    
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    February 5, 2021 1:07pm
    - MCos
      
      So where did the photo come from showing stuff right in front of her phone at 1.44pm?
      
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      February 5, 2021 2:17pm
- doublehappy
  
  I hope the alledged perpetrator has had a Rabid jab.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:29am
- Maggie Pie
  
  AOC coming in for a fair bit of sh*t on Twitter as well 😀
  
  https://twitter.com/NautPoso/status/1357426092676706306
  
  (Surprising how many people compare her to J.A.)
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Same mold
    
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    February 5, 2021 12:26pm
    - Nickc2
      
      She is however the darling of the US Left-Wing media. IMO she is out of the same mold as Nancy Pelosi.
      
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      February 5, 2021 12:36pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      mold [sic] heh.
      
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      February 5, 2021 1:19pm
      - Nickc2
        
        American English has no mould, and British English has no mold. In other words, the word referring to (1) the various funguses that grow on organic matter or (2) a frame for shaping something is spelled the same in both uses, and the spelling depends on the variety of English.
        
        In my post, assume (2) above.
        
        https://grammarist.com/spelling/mold-mould/
        
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        February 5, 2021 2:52pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Maybe (1) Nick. Pond dwellers ……
        
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        February 5, 2021 4:00pm
- Inandout
  
  TC, you can take a barmaid out of the pub but not always take the pub out of the barmaid. She is as thick as two planks.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    As thick as a “chippie”? …….
    
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    February 5, 2021 2:27pm
    - Batman
      
      Does it make you guys feel better to indulge in this kind of childish stuff?
      
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      February 5, 2021 3:36pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes, especially when they lie and don’t bloody care.
        AOC lies, chippie lies – he is Minister of Health
        
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        February 5, 2021 4:03pm
      - Inandout
        
        Bat, have you no shame with your accusations? Mention Trump and you go into Twitter orbit.
        
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        February 5, 2021 5:00pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Yep, I feel pretty good, thanks for asking.
        
        At least I haven’t thrown out the “racist” crap like some others.
        
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        February 5, 2021 9:14pm
- oldfella
  
  TC, Snopes, those always fair-and-balances fact checkers have – predictably – leapt to AOC’s defense.
  https://notthebee.com/article/snopes-goes-full-clown-town-calls-stories-pointing-out-aocs-lies-about-the-capitol-riot-mostly-false
  
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  February 5, 2021 12:34pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Snopes has been probably wrong for at least four years.
    
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    February 5, 2021 3:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    FB is alive with them now. Fact checkers covering for AOC with lies from 4 different sources
    
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    February 5, 2021 4:05pm
Fletch

I was just thinking… Isn’t Aotearoa (the name that liberals would have us all use as the name of New Zealand) kind of racist? Doesn’t it mean, “the land of the long white cloud”? Isn’t that a bit colonial? ?
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February 5, 2021 10:29am
- Ruahine
  
  Fletch.
  It is entirely colonial. It was a name that Stephenson Percy Smith and Edward Treager of the Polynesian Society came up with. It was popularised in the writings of William Pember Reeves a well known New Zealand writer.
  With the new improved history of New Zealand that the government is going to write for the further brainwashing of the countries children I can see a lot of books from the 1800s and 1900s having to be burned or banned.
  
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  February 5, 2021 2:54pm
- calendar girl
  
  I’m well over the persistent efforts of certain individuals and publications to bring about a change of name (to Aotearoa) for the beloved country of my birth, New Zealand.
  
  If such a change is ever brought about by the passage of relevant legislation, I predict that it will take decades for our country to regain the hard-won reputation that it has for the quality of its export food products, the respect that it enjoys for its war-time military contributions, and the global image that it portrays as an outstandingly safe and beautiful tourist destination.
  
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  February 5, 2021 3:46pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yep, I don’t care what any higher-ups ever decide. It will always be New Zealand to me, and I will always refer to our country as such.
    
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    February 5, 2021 6:09pm
Jim

The earth is round.

The opening line of the $2.7B lawsuit filed by Smartmatic against Fox News, their talking heads, Rudy, and what’s-her-name that other batty lawyer.

Love it.
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February 5, 2021 10:42am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  The Earth is actually an oblate spheroid.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:31am
  - Jim
    
    So is my belly.
    
    Earth isn’t a perfect oblate spheroid either; the gravitational pull of the moon and sun take care of that, not to mention the surface irregularity with plateaux, mountains, valleys…
    
    Easier to stick with round.
    
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    February 5, 2021 2:03pm
    - Nickc2
      
      But to the Greens, it’s still flat!
      
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      February 5, 2021 2:23pm
  - James Stephenson
    
    Not by much. There’s about 0.3% difference between the radius of the Earth at the poles and the equator, which is a tighter specification on sphericity than a typical pool ball.
    
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    February 5, 2021 6:10pm
graham

So according to 1 NEWS political reporter Maiki Sherman, Judith Collins not being allowed to speak at the marae in Waitangi wasn’t sexist – it was “tikanga Māori”.

Oh. Oh, okay. So that’s alright then, apparently. If something is “tikanga Māori”, then it doesn’t matter if similar actions outside of a Maori setting – say, in the workplace – might just possibly be seen as sexist.

… as happens out in the real world, where the president of the Tokyo organizing committee sparked outrage for suggesting women talk too much in meetings. There have been calls for his resignation and suggestions that his attitude was “outdated”. But on the marae, apparently Judith Collins is the one at fault for daring to challenge a similar attitude – because it’s “tikanga Māori”, you see, so you’re not allowed to question it.
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February 5, 2021 10:47am
- Swifty
  
  It’s the double standards that gets me graham.
  
  Or would it be ok if when criticised for our sexist behaviour we just say “piss off, this is just tikanga pakeha”.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:18am
  - giltee
    
    You can’t win the argument Swifty because if you question tikanga Maori then you’re called racist.
    
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    February 5, 2021 4:23pm
- Inandout
  
  graham, I remember Helen weeping in the back seat at a marae in Waitangi. She never went back.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yeah,
  and back in 2018, the PM having to speak from the mahau (porch) was explained away as being appropriate because she was hapu (pregnant).
  
  Mr Henare said because Ms Ardern was hapū or pregnant she would speak from the mahau (porch) of the top marae but still within the formal proceedings.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/348681/ardern-expected-to-speak-at-waitangi
  
  Doesn’t matter how you want to spin it…
  
  some marae treat females as lesser beings than males.
  
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  February 5, 2021 2:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I may need correcting on this, but it was Titewhai Harawira who made Clark cry. Harawira was not allowed to speak, so why should a female PM be allowed.
  Prob the only thing I supported Harariwa on. Throw it back to the ‘elite’ Let them provide answers for their sexism
  
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  February 5, 2021 3:04pm
- DeepBlue
  
  So we shall not question Sharia law on this basis.
  
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  February 5, 2021 5:33pm
Tricati

Is ‘Stuff’ trying to de-platform any dissenting views of those of the government, and its enablers.
I get the sense the traction Magic Radio is getting maybe getting under someone’s skin.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/124135007/john-banks-and-racist-callers-is-talkback-radio-getting-worse
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February 5, 2021 11:07am
- Inandout
  
  Tri, Stuff is hurting because they are losing money big time. How dare anyone speak their mind on air.
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:36am
- Jack5
  
  Meanwhile, is Vodafone NZ using its advertising to censor news media?
  
  Vodafone NZ has announced it will black-list media outlets if it has ethical concerns about their content,
  
  The company, owned by Infratil and an international investor, Brookfield Asset Management, continues use of the “Vodafone” name in New Zealand.
  
  What if people were to boycott Vodafone NZ and even Infratil subsidiaries such as TrustPower? Wouldn’t be fair, would it?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124157707/vodafone-to-blacklist-media-outlets-that-promote-hateful-content-or-fake-news
  
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  February 5, 2021 11:48am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Is the American Disease coming to ~~Aotearoa~~ New Zealand?
    
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    February 5, 2021 2:40pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Don’t listen to red radio and don’t watch playschool TV1 news. The disease is here and it cost $50M – with more to come.
      You and I are paying by stealth
      
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      February 5, 2021 4:09pm
- niggly
  
  So what happened with Banks? It’s been reported he didn’t pick up on the offensive comments from the caller at the time.
  
  Harris says he spoke to Banks after the comment aired. He says a producer working on the show was in Tauranga, as that’s where regular host Williams is based.
  
  “The communications between the two of them were terrible. They couldn’t hear each other properly.’’
  
  He also says a producer was talking to Banks as the caller made the racist comments.
  
  MediaWorks, he says, needs to take some blame for what happened. It was easy for them to say Banks will never work there again. But why didn’t they put safeguards in place?
  
  This confirms what some of us here, who heard the broadcast, were saying which was Banks sounded distracted (when the caller was talking) and didn’t catch what was being said.
  
  Banksie’s “crime” it seems, was because he made a joke when he came back online to end the call (unfortunately using the same phrase “stone age people”), which is what saw the left get enraged (and demonstrate again, that they are incapable of reason, nor wanting to understand the context, before condemning someone).
  
  For a group of people, the “left” (as opposed to the “centre-left”) that preach “tolerance” show again they are incapable of practicing what they preach, when it comes to “conservatives”!
  
  Overall that wasn’t a bad article written by Keith Lynch, as it gave “balance”. Perhaps other journos could learn from him ….
  
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  February 5, 2021 2:43pm
Swifty

I have read on many occasions that UK Labour’s David Lammy is shaping up as the new Diane Abbott – which is not at all the reputation one wants.

I see their point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItckLp1CuQ
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February 5, 2021 11:26am
- Tall Man
  
  Nice one.
  
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  February 5, 2021 2:23pm
oldfella

At last, the book we’ve all been waiting for, Hunter Biden’s autobiography, ‘Beautiful Things.’
Apparently he got a $2 million dollar advance, most of which probably went on coke and hookers.
Can’t wait to read it after this stunning endorsement from Stephen King.
“In his harrowing and compulsively readable memoir, Hunter Biden proves again that anybody — even the son of a United States President — can take a ride on the pink horse down nightmare alley,” King writes in his blurb. “Biden remembers it all and tells it all with a bravery that is both heartbreaking and quite gorgeous. He starts with a question: Where’s Hunter? The answer is he’s in this book, the good, the bad, and the beautiful.”
https://apnews.com/article/hunter-biden-memoir-beautiful-things-84f0218fb720f7f29e79c517962d0011
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February 5, 2021 12:08pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Jesus, the cynicism and chutzpah of the DNC’s/MSM propaganda juggernaut is breathtaking. They’d be writing hagiographies of Hitler if Biden was his grandson.
  
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  February 5, 2021 1:17pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING 😀 😀

AOC asking Twitter followers to report anyone referring to her as …….’Ocasio-Smollet’

LOL!!
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February 5, 2021 12:57pm
- Nickc2
  
  You mean that shiela who claimed she feared for her life when protesters stormed the US Capital Building and she had to share a shelter room with Republicans?
  
  Well, it transpires she is full of shit. She wasn’t even in the US Capital Building at the time and the building she was in wasn’t invaded by protesters. She is now known as A.O. Somollett for good reason. Lying b……..
  https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/02/keeping-up-with-aoc.html
  
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  February 5, 2021 1:25pm
  - Batman
    
    Stories on solo-proprietor news sites in conservative media are not exactly verification.
    
    They’re quite literally claims from the people who hate her the most.
    
    I’m no fan of hers at all but this is hardly filling me with confidence for a weekend making fun of the left!
    
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    February 5, 2021 1:47pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Bats, Tim Pool did an analysis of her statements compared to publicly available information.
      
      AOC either lied, or she had prior knowledge of what was going down.
      
      Those are the two logical conclusions.
      
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      February 5, 2021 4:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hilarious. AlexandriaOcasioSmollett.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1WWBafRE19z8kWpNL1I26dMNDODFsPAFut3PoYcOg_TEk2OBWf9P3nKFY&v=eoRlPLeYh7s&feature=youtu.be
  
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  February 5, 2021 2:14pm
Black with a Vengeance

One of these things is not like the other.
One of these things is not quite the same…

Christchurch man sexually assaulted three woman, including unconscious teen | Stuff.co.nz
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/124162221/christchurch-man-sexually-assaulted-three-woman-including-unconscious-teen

Tūrangi teacher, elder, convicted on indecent assault charges | Stuff.co.nz
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/124143725/trangi-teacher-elder-convicted-on-indecent-assault-charges

But should they be?
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February 5, 2021 1:54pm
- sooty
  
  That dreaded labour party card to the forfront!
  
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  February 5, 2021 2:44pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Haven’t got a scooby about the point you’re trying to make
  
  Care to elaborate?
  
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  February 5, 2021 5:10pm
  - sooty
    
    It’s a get out of jail card that’s been rolled out quite a few times lately!
    
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    February 5, 2021 7:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

In Washington DC the people who said you don’t need guns or walls, have surrounded themselves with guns and walls.
There is a name for that but if I say that name, certain people get offended
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February 5, 2021 2:33pm
Maggie Pie

Maybe it’s a ‘slow news day’ in the UK…… but you’ll recall that I posted here yesterday about women who fall for Nigerian Prince marriage scams, all seem to have a ‘certain look’ about them. LOL!!
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Case in point…..

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1357486872835014715
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February 5, 2021 2:33pm
- sooty
  
  That look is called “desperate”.
  
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  February 5, 2021 2:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  4 times a week? Going for it ///
  
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  February 5, 2021 2:50pm
  - Tall Man
    
    What do they do the other 5 days?
    
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    February 5, 2021 9:26pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/124160288/new-plymouth-council-mistake-sees-american-flags-hung-along-highway-ahead-of-waitangi-weekend
Presumably no “maori” will be attending the 4-day motoring event, nor will they drive American cars from now on, including Aussie Fords and Holdens.
Yeah, right.
What is the maori word for “hypocrisy” ?
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February 5, 2021 2:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  māminga
  tinihanga
  
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  February 5, 2021 2:50pm
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  I believe the Maori word for “hypocrisy” is PAKEHA!!!
  
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  February 5, 2021 2:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Gotta give you an uptick for that.
    Now do a roll reversal – where do you stand on that Black for a Vengeance?
    Hello???
    
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    February 5, 2021 4:15pm
- giltee
  
  Thought perhaps Maori had sold Waitangi Day to the Americans. Incidentally it’s not my national day and many kiwis feel the same.
  
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  February 5, 2021 4:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ being a Pacific bully?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/05/future-of-pacific-islands-forum-in-doubt-as-north-south-rift-emerges
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February 5, 2021 2:43pm
cmm

Fisherman makes Brown Supremacy symbol much used by gangsters and murderers.

Any outrage??? Nope!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-big-one-fisherman-reels-in-great-white-shark-near-bowentown-beach/IML6V5FRV4GZZJSGMGEMRQIFP4/
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February 5, 2021 4:18pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  When my partner read that he said “….. can’t believe the idiots didn’t kill it”
  He keeps his old 308 on the boat for that very purpose.
  
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  February 5, 2021 4:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    5 liter V8 just to throw at sharks? //
    
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    February 5, 2021 4:42pm
  - cmm
    
    Great whites are the fisherman’s friend.
    
    The great whites eat the seals so that leaves more fish for the fisherman.
    
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    February 5, 2021 5:13pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

And what we also need to remember, is Trade Minister Damien O’Connor telling Australia “…..they need to pay more respect to Chynaa”

https://twitter.com/Anne_MarieBrady/status/1357472569503326209
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February 5, 2021 4:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just got 30 days FB jail for saying girlie guys beating girls in sport was coward fags. The FB fags hate the truth.
Now I just don’t want people with cocks winning against girls, just coz they feel like a female. Fuck off you transistors
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February 5, 2021 4:40pm
- BAM
  
  You sad old man.
  
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  February 5, 2021 5:01pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, if I felt like being a canine tonight would I have to stay on the doorstep? Tomorrow I might assume the tom cat role.
  
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  February 5, 2021 7:59pm
cmm

Geez, talk about a Friday arvo drop: 16:37

Doesn’t the reserve bank understand that the laws of money supply do not apply in Magic Cindyland?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300223358/reserve-bank-repeatedly-warned-government-money-printing-would-lead-to-house-price-inflation
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February 5, 2021 4:54pm
- Inandout
  
  cmm, Jacinda shoud introduce a Fannie & Freddie scheme for the poor and dispossessed house hunters by merely printing more money. Roll up, roll up.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:09pm
WaveyDavey

Terminally ill Kiwi wanting to come home? No space for you*

Refugees? Come on down

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/02/greens-delighted-as-immigration-new-zealand-confirms-refugee-settlement-will-resume.html

*Well unless you get the media involved obviously
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February 5, 2021 5:04pm
- Inandout
  
  WD, come one come all, and bring your refugee diseases with you. Covid19 carrier? No worries mate we need another lockdown.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:11pm
WaveyDavey

Things that make you go hmmmm…

“So far, with the court’s help, Stuff is proving it is too big to fail.”

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/court-kept-a-big-secret-about-stuff?fbclid=IwAR3IJlzRD8gMtaoaW52QfgokUrnB9cUzUkaRon8rFurzyaXm3LWi1CMjSy8
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February 5, 2021 5:16pm
- Inandout
  
  WD, amazing how courts can suppress information when it suits them. Stuff is still a dog, even after Jacinda sprayed dollars over them.
  
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  February 5, 2021 8:16pm

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