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New Zealander

New Zealand’s media is now dominated by the Pravda-esque TVNZ, tabloid New Zealand Herald, and woke Newshub and Stuff.

Take this morning’s article for example. Not once does Mr Maxwell mention “New Zealand.” A future Maori Republic of Aotearoa is just one of our decidedly left-wing media’s crusades. A foreign reader would surely ask, “what country are they talking about?”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300221005/new-matariki-public-holiday-date-to-move-around-like-easter-date-for-2022-to-be-announced

Add this to our public education system now planning to implement a watered-down and heavily slanted New Zealand history based on mythology, identity-politics and the feelings of our oppressed native warriors, and the future is bleak indeed.
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February 4, 2021 8:01am
- hullkiwi
  
  You only have to listen to TVNZ or RNZ. Very rarely do they refer to New Zealand. Instead they refer regularly to the islands of NZ and the country itself with the fictitious names devised by 19th Century missionaries and story tellers.
  
  It is insulting to anybody listening to even suggest that these are traditional Maori names for New Zealand or the islands of New Zealand. They are not and never were.
  
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  February 4, 2021 9:20am
  - Cobolt24
    
    For the downvoters to Hullkiwi, read this:
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/205670/i-Aotearoa-a-European-hoax-i
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:06am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Cobalt, thank you for that article. As I wrote above, this use of fictitious bestowed names from missionaries and 19th Century writers as somehow being genuine, is insulting to everybody.
      
      Like most Kiwi kids, I was taught this stuff at primary school (1960s), but I had the temerity to question my teacher about it then. My questions left her dumbfounded when I question the Maui/North Island fish myth. She had no answer, except to say I was disrespecting Maoridom and it got me into trouble.
      
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      February 4, 2021 2:00pm
- tf78
  
  Why can’t our forbears be considered ‘pioneers’ or ‘settlers’. Apart from being brave enough to come here in the first place you could hardly call the first few arrivers colonists.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:03am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    It’s not really that our forebears “pioneered and settled,” it’s that they did so as white people. Ditto the practice of slavery, which has been ubiquitous across all cultures and regions throughout history and is not inherently an inter racial matter. Much is made of the species of behaviour in question, which is then widely denounced, but this is always only a superficial element, a Trojan horse if you will. The real intended target is always the underlying “crime” of whiteness, for which all must supplicate themselves to other racial groups. It’s fundamentally about first undermining and then taking political and social power from one group – using rhetorical tactics designed to place the recipient on the defensive and instill a sense of guilt – then giving it to others, necessarily to the detriment of the former.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:08pm
  - Romney
    
    My family has begun celebrating Waitangi Day as Pioneer Day. We have a feast entirely of food we grew and prepared ourselves. It’s fun.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:09pm
  - gump
    
    The first few arrivers in New Zealand brought with them animals and plants. Modern DNA analysis indicates that they also brought a founding population of around 70 women.
    
    So yes – you can call them colonists. They came here as part of an organised chain of migration.
    
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    February 4, 2021 4:03pm
  - MCos
    
    Depending on who you are ‘our forebears’ could have arrived as far back as the early fourteenth century as what would now be called settlers.
    Back then they probably didn’t give too much thought to the terminology.
    They had more important things to worry about.
    NZ became a British colony in 1841. Subsequently arrivals were colonists until the country gained independence in 1852.
    
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    February 5, 2021 12:52pm
- surfing
  
  I don’t even know half the names of government departments now. That doesn’t bother me so much as I’ll get used to it. But, preferential treatment of maori is appalling.
  
  It seems to be an unstoppable movement. Act under Don Brash opposed this but they never gained serious support.
  
  What are you going to do about it? As far as I can tell, the only option is to leave New Zealand as it heads towards seperatism.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:29am
  - giltee
    
    Yes I’ve left NZ and don’t want to come back to live there but it breaks my heart to see the fast demise of the country under Labour and the greens.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:51pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      filter,I had the same views, and initially it was one of the reasons I stayed overseas for 25 years. I use to get irritated by the phoney transition to a woke country, that was continuing to embrace Maoridom to the exclusion of other cultures.As has happened in SA with Zulu history and culture, we have witnessed a complete phoney invention of Maori culture and tradition, to the extent that next year we will have another public holiday in June for Matariki (a total nonsense).
      
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      February 4, 2021 8:56pm
    - MCos
      
      Which utopia have you migrated to, giltee?
      
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      February 5, 2021 12:56pm
- Jack5
  
  A year or three ago, Maxwell reported for a minor local publication. A local hack. A decent, but unspectacular occupation.
  
  He kicked his toe on a present-time golden nugget for gaining journalism attention: learning Maori language.
  
  Starting lessons, Maxwell promised readers a diary of a one-year journey to master the language.
  
  A language diary is dry-dust boring to most, and the few others will be more interested in the rich language offerings on YouTube.
  
  But Maxwell didn’t talk grammar or vocabulary. Maxwell bombarded the mainly White readers of INL (which become Stuff) with the shortcomings of White New Zealand and White New Zealanders.
  
  He was angry, and you can, well, kick shit out of White New Zealanders in way you can’t get away with, for example, against White Aussies.
  
  INL/Stuff used Maxwell as click bait – internet lure. “What is this outrageous shit?” Click!
  
  The tone hasn’t improved. The hostility lingers. Maxwell’s still very pissed off with White New Zealand. He notably yells in the great English language — not in his newly acquired Maori tongue.
  
  Maxwell’s drivel may prompt clicks on Stuff’s web site from Guilty-White-Liberal types. But it must be hell on the flow of donations that Stuff survives on.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:47am
- Spam
  
  So a public holiday that moves each and every year, and is particular to little old “Aotearoa”. In addition to the additional direct costs for businesses of another public holiday, we also need to get the likes of Microsoft and the other tech companies to build-in recognition of the holiday into IT systems, but more importantly, Payroll systems need to be set-up to cope with another moveable holiday.
  
  This is NOT trivial. It will have an additional cost.
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:53am
  - gump
    
    Actually, all of those things are completely trivial to implement.
    
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    February 4, 2021 2:52pm
  - curry4me
    
    Spam: The citizens of ao-tea-rower can celebrate this concocted PC ‘holiday’ if they want.
    
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    February 4, 2021 5:42pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  What about the Irish in NZ?
  The Scots had a large part too?
  Maori lingo is next to useless in the present era. Can we charge them for the loaner words used in transliteration?
  ~~Aotearoa~~ New Tyranny.
  
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  February 4, 2021 12:50pm
  - MCos
    
    Well, what about the Irish in NZ, you’ve got St Patrick’s Day haven’t you?
    Not to mention Easter Monday & Christmas.
    I went to a string of Catholic schools that were influenced by Irish priests. I remember one telling us how marvelous the IRA was and speaking ill of the Orange people.
    Fortunately all this talk didn’t catch on and the Orange Lodge Hall in Timaru escaped being bombed. As kids we used to have stone throwing fights with the Protestants, but we had the O’Reillys on our side so we were fine. (Read Denis)
    
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    February 5, 2021 1:16pm
- Paulus
  
  Somebody voted overwhelming for them – but not me – you perhaps !
  
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  February 4, 2021 1:47pm
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Happy World Cancer Day!
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February 4, 2021 8:02am
- sooty
  
  [Mod: don’t abuse other posters like that. The ‘whats happy about cancer?’ would have been sufficient]
  
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  February 4, 2021 8:59am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Better celebrate it, under this govt.s inept health service, more and more are going to be dying of it.
  
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  February 4, 2021 9:06am
- pentwig
  
  Sorry Milky
  I can’t anything about cancer to be happy about.
  
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  February 4, 2021 9:38am
  - BeeJay
    
    Finding out you’ve got cancer, getting the right treatment for it, and getting rid of it is certainly worth being Happy!! Thanks, Mikey!
    
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    February 4, 2021 2:10pm
- MCos
  
  The ‘Happy’ can be dispensed with on this occasion.
  
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  February 4, 2021 9:40am
- oldfella
  
  Mike, this is timely for World Cancer Day.
  An MRI-guided ultrasound treatment is effective against intermediate-risk prostate cancer and causes minimal side effects, according to a study published Tuesday by the journal Radiology.
  Of 44 men who received the treatment, 41 were disease-free five months later, with little effect on erectile function and prostate symptoms, the data showed.
  https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/02/02/Study-MRI-guided-ultrasound-treats-prostate-cancer-with-few-side-effects/8151612275770/
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:00am
  - rouppe
    
    Except when the radiologist misses a grapefruit sized tumor despite being directed to look at the specific area where it was.
    
    Happened to a friend of mine last year
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Thanks for that. I will mention it when I finally get my biopsy
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:33am
    - Ian Boag
      
      FWIW when I did all this 10-odd years ago, I think the wait for my biopsy was like 6 months. That was all private. There was an MRI in there someplace. Another three or four months before I had the (also private) robotic surgery. Nobody seemed too worried.
      
      Obviously it worked out as I am still here, Funnily enough I know about a dozen other blokes who have had various forms of PCa treatment. None of us are part of the “20-30%” who can reputedly still hang a towel on the old fella.
      
      Note this post is not a survey ….
      
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      December 4, 2020 2:43pm
    - doublehappy
      
      Steve, good luck with that.
      
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      February 4, 2021 12:15pm
  - cmm
    
    Interesting since 90% of men will get prostate cancer.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:44am
    - giltee
      
      And more men die of prostrate cancer than women of breast cancer
      
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      February 4, 2021 12:54pm
  - BeeJay
    
    That’s me, with some reservations, but you can’t win them all, just the important bits!
    
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    February 4, 2021 2:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  World Cancer Day. There is nothing happy about it. I have low level prostate cancer – Gleason scale 6
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not happy with the DHB and Govt. Under active surveillance and 2 1/2 months overdue for a biopsy.
    Cancer does not wait for the State Sector to get their shit together
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Wish the Mods would do something about these downtickers – cancer is no fucking joke
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:34am
      - giltee
        
        The downtickers are effing morons who don’t share half a brain between them
        
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        February 4, 2021 12:57pm
      - igm
        
        Steve: The originatior of this should never have passed moderation. One day he may get a positive cancer result and will wake up.
        As you say, it is no fucking joke!
        
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        February 4, 2021 2:37pm
    - BeeJay
      
      In Tauranga, diagnosed in June 2019, biopsy, tests, MRI x 2, and radiation treatment all done before Christmas 2019! Follow up still being done through Urology BOPDHB, all tests clear as at today!
      
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      February 4, 2021 2:19pm
  - doublehappy
    
    Good luck Steve, mine was 9, but I got excellent treatment instantly, privately.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:17pm
    - igm
      
      double: Likewise, and it is not a cheap commitment, and it is worse to see public patients who have contributed nothing, getting private assistance at our expense.
      
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      February 4, 2021 2:41pm
- JamesP
  
  A repeat of your highly successful 2020 cancer post.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/02/general_debate_4_february_2020.html
  
  To paraphrase, inanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
  
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  February 4, 2021 3:14pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well, maybe I think it’s good to celebrate cancer each year with its own special day.
    
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    February 4, 2021 4:22pm
Inandout

What is our climate queen going to do about this, as we keep stabbing ourselves with petty regulations?
‘China put 38.4 gigawatts (GW) of new coal-fired power capacity into operation in 2020, according to new international research, more than three times the amount built elsewhere around the world, bringing the total under construction to 88.1 GW. It now has 247 GW of coal power under development, enough to supply the whole of Germany’.
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February 4, 2021 8:08am
- Doc Holliday
  
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  China also has installed capacity of:
  Solar 240 GW
  Wind 224 GW
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China
  
  China pledges net-zero carbon by 2060. There won’t be any argument from “the people”.
  
  Heading in the right direction.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:20am
  - rangitoto
    
    LOL.
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:37am
  - Phronesis
    
    Which is precisely why they need all the coal fired power stations, to back up the grid when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine.
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:59am
  - cmm
    
    Hey Doc of What? do you understand electricity generation?
    
    Installed capacity is the maximum output power of a power station, not the expected power output.
    
    This is a meaningless value with solar/wind because they do not work when you want them to work – only when they feel like working.
    
    With a coal/nuke/hydro plant if the grid wants power then just flip a switch and they start generating.
    
    Sure, those sources are not available all the time because they need down time for maintenance etc, but that can be scheduled and planned.
    
    For those sources, the availability is 90% and the confidence of availability is extremely high (close to 100%).
    
    If you have a power station with two generators then you can turn one off for maintenance and the other keeps running.
    
    For solar/wind the availability is very low: the sun only shines with guts 25% of the time or less. Therefore the capacity should be rated as a quarter of what it says on the packet.The wind is about the same. And in both cases the confidence of availability is very low because you do not know when the sun is going to shine or the wind is going to blow.
    
    Worse still, you don’t just lose part of the generation capability. When ths sun doesn’t shine the whole solar farm goes down; wind is the same story.
    
    All of these only work when there is a huge normal power generation system to back them up.
    
    That means you end up needing many times the installed capacity to get the power you need.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:43am
    - Nickc2
      
      This should be pounded into School Teachers in order that they do not fill the heads of kids with populist green crap.
      
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      February 4, 2021 12:15pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Not entirely correct my friend. I have an installed solar array with a 5.3kw capacity. On a sunny day it creates over 30kwh of energy or about 6x the “capacity”.
      
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      February 4, 2021 1:01pm
      - cmm
        
        Please do not be smug about your lack of understanding of science.
        
        Power is rated in W or kW or whatever. This is how much energy that something produces or consumes PER SECOND.
        
        Energy is rated in Joules or kW-hours. A kWhour is the energy from 1kW for an hour. ie 3.6MJ.
        
        On a sunny day, your system is producing 30kWh per day. There are 24 hours in the day, so that is an average of 1.25kW.
        
        1.25kW is less than 24% of 5.3kW.
        
        So in the best possible conditions you’re not even making 24%.
        
        Now what does it output on an overcast day? Or in winter?
        
        I wager that all told you’re not making over 15% averaged over a year.
        
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        February 4, 2021 3:31pm
      - miltonF
        
        @cmm
        I applaud you’re understanding of the science, however there is one error in your math I couldn’t help but point out. The sun doesn’t shine for 24hrs a day.
        
        At best you’ll get 8-9 hours of direct sunlight, at an optimal angle during summer months. Much less during winter obviously, with the average being something like 4.5hrs in NZ.
        
        8×5.3=42.4kwh/day, so you’re correct that this solar system is underperforming, but by only 20-30%. As an example, our 5.5kw solar array produced 38.4kwh on a mostly fine day today with occasional clouding.
        
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        February 5, 2021 12:07am
      - cmm
        
        miltonf: You are confusing efficiency with availability.
        
        Availability is how much you get out of a system based on its nameplate (installed) capacity.
        
        Availability is low because the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow.
        
        6GW of solar is only worth the same as about 1GW of coal plant.
        
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        February 5, 2021 8:18am
  - giltee
    
    Wind turbines only last 20 years so by 2060 all the wind turbines will have been replaced up to 3 times. Solar power isn’t much better. What of all the massive holes in the ground from mining the minerals needed, the disposal of all the waste turbines and solar panels, the Co2 footprint created from them. What about all the rare earth minerals used, (China has most of them), what happens when they’re depleted. Lithium isn’t going to last for ever, what about the expensive disposal of all the spent lithium batteries and the co2 footprint created by that. China will never have a zero carbon footprint. It’s just CCP propaganda to keep the world eyes off them
    
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    February 4, 2021 1:08pm
  - alloytoo
    
    If you’re lucky you’ll get about 20% of the installed capacity of Wind and Solar.
    
    China has a huge Nuclear program on the horizon which will actually deliver 90% of it’s capacity day in, day out. Rain or shine.
    
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    February 4, 2021 2:31pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  I dont believe anyone has a clue what the cost of the Climate Commission recommendations are going to be. Their analysis is almost non-existent. The NZIER work was equally useless. We are flying blind and it is very disturbing.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:52am
  - rouppe
    
    They biggest problem with the climate commissiob report is its completed focus on GGE and the complete exclusion of any other factor.
    
    If you step on a rusty nail I can guarantee that you won’t get Tetanus: by cutting off your foot.
    
    That what you this government is doing
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:06am
  - Master Mariner
    
    There was an interview with Carr on one station reportedly ( Not sure which) and his answer was to wipe the debt.
    I mean seriously this is who we are dealing with.
    And for that matter this Government also has its eyes on this and ever printing money.
    I have a feeling this will end up bad and by which time it does they will be long gone into the twilight.
    Absolutely no accountability and this new age think will evaporate with next” in” thing.
    Where has strategic planning gone, 30+ yrs.
    NZ will be at mercy of all in a few years time without identifying key stretegic assets and keeping them nationalised.
    Much the same same as Norway.Singapore. etc.
    
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    February 4, 2021 2:59pm
niggly

Regarding the Climate Change Commission report .. some potential ideas for nationwide National Party billboards? (Eg perhaps Kiwi/Iwi type design with imagery split straight down the middle)?

“National want you to travel by:
Bicycles
Cars
Trucks
Trains

Labour want you to travel by:
Bicycles
~~Cars~~ EV Cars only!
~~Trucks~~
Trains”

C’mon National, inform the “people” (because the MSM won’t, they are smitten with Ardern’s “nuclear moment”)!
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February 4, 2021 8:08am
Frank the tank

Sooo – with all the issues affecting (little) Aotearoa at the moment – the most pressing for a reporter from FakeNewsHub to Judith Collins was gay conversion therapy.

FMD. Just FMD

This country is fucked.
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February 4, 2021 8:10am
- Surely Knott
  
  The reporter is Lana Andelane.
  Actor, Model, Influencer, Fashion Stylist, Tv Presenter, and Radio Influencer.
  https://www.starnow.co.nz/lanaandelane/
  This is who is shaping our national discourse.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:22am
  - Sacha
    
    What on earth is a ‘radio influencer’?
    
    It seems to me that this woman specialises in the art of creating a passing fad for those who require endless and mindless diversion.
    And our national discourse reflects it.
    I suppose we could say she is a success in her chosen career although her CV gives 2019 as her last big year when she participated in a Thin Lizzy ad. It seems her big year was 2016.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:04pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Time for us to do some re-shaping.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:54pm
    - sooty
      
      Maybe that’s why her big year was 2014, she reshaped!
      
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      February 4, 2021 5:04pm
- ISeeRed
  
  There IS an approved form of gay conversion therapy, however. It’s called gender reassignment. 80% of teens who feel they are “transgender” but do nothing apparently grow out of it and usually just end up being gay as adults. “Fixing” kids or teens who might happen to be gay has been called a form of “rehabilitated homophobia”, which seems quite on the mark:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyUOq4APWHQ (Douglas Murray and Andrew Doyle on “trans children”, skip to 4:55 for Doyle’s pertinent comments)
  
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  February 4, 2021 12:19pm
Happychappy

Just a question about borrowing and now it has been released that our unemployment figures have dropped inthe last quarter from 5.3% to 4.9% which ensures a very similar tax take from before Coronavirus struck our shores do you think that our Government should stop borrowing billions on top of the one hundred billion that has already been borrowed.
Now we all know what Labour has done every other time they have become the Government, unemployment drops because Labourincreases the public service to hide unemployment figures.but now more than ever we need to stop spending to help the future generations that will be left to pay this debt.
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February 4, 2021 8:11am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The unemployment numbers omit those on state benefits so unemployment is understated.
  I doubt the fiscal take matches previous years and budgets.
  All pay and borrowing makes for a sorry society.
  
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  February 4, 2021 12:57pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Tax take and employment are at best only vaguely related. Tax take will be well down as many companies have survived by a combination of wage subsidy and borrowing against the ‘equity’ in their landed assets.
  
  (little) Aotearoa supporting Zombie companies and jobs since 2020.
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:35pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Fully agree, Kicking the can down the road.
    Absolutely nothing to show for the amount of money spent.
    The world i live in does’nt reflect low unemployment at all.
    How come my world is so different to there’s?
    
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    February 4, 2021 3:05pm
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons the only thing they don’t mention here, is having a kg of greenstone slung around your neck.
Just saying.

https://twitter.com/hcirePT/status/1356763158589837312
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February 4, 2021 8:16am
- Tall Man
  
  “Speak up when you hear racism”.
  
  Well Batman has certainly taken that one on board … real and imagined.
  
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  February 4, 2021 8:22am
  - Batman
    
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    Ya damn snowflakes don’t like it up ya ?? haha
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:14am
    - Tall Man
      
      Pot kettle methinks.
      
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      February 4, 2021 6:07pm
- graham
  
  Interestingly, an earlier version of this had one action listed as:
  
  “Recognise Pakeha Culture”
  
  https://ahnz.anarkiwi.co.nz/2010s-10-decolonisation-skills-for-non-maori-kiwis/
  
  Most parts of this meme seem to have evolved, and that particular action has now morphed to:
  
  “Resist Pakeha culture being imposed on others”
  
  I wonder if whoever came up with that was able to do so without any thought of irony, in proclaiming the need to resist Pakeha culture BEING IMPOSED ON OTHERS?
  
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  February 4, 2021 8:56am
  - Crisplion
    
    Yes, western culture has a great deal to answer for with its racist imposition of democracy, universal education, longer lifespan through scientifically-informed medicine and greater food production through scientifically-informed agriculture. Then there’s all of that awful mathematics, philosophy, literature, music and other imperialist stuff that clearly no-one wants.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:28pm
- Michael Rodent
  
  And it has to be on the outside of your shirt so everyone notices it.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:00am
- Tricati
  
  Yep – The size of the necklace is equal to the size of the wokeness
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:49am
curry4me

ASTERISK PRESIDENCY: Episode 3.
Direct from Harveywood, here is this weeks episode of Asterisk Presidency. Brought to you by the CCP, Huawei, Robinhood, and Burisma.
Will Andrew Cuomo blame President Trump for the rest home deaths?
Which country will Hunter visit first? China, Ukraine, or Belarus?
Will he be on Airforce One? Is ‘Dr Jill’ an MD?
How many more states will sue? Will gas prices rise further? Because …..you know… the thing?
Beiing Biden? How many jobs will he kill next week? Will one
Of the ‘first dogs’ leave a present on the rug? Will Joe step in it, slip,
and break the other foot? Stay tuned folks!
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February 4, 2021 8:17am
- artemisia
  
  Time reports new Pew research –
  
  “…despite the marketing effort to cast Democrats as the party of inclusion, a record level of Americans expect to be shut out…”
  
  Don’t need to be a genius to work out who they are.
  
  https://time.com/5935685/americans-influence-biden/
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:59am
Tall Man

So people can buy a house in NZ…..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2021/02/market-is-so-tough-first-home-buyer-snaps-up-home-for-under-500-000-with-less-than-20-percent-deposit.html

Two things make this particularly interesting, she is single and she started 5 years ago with $100,000 of debt.

As I have said previously, the housing crisis is more of an “affordability” crisis and many of the moaners are just not willing to put in the effort or compromise. This woman did both.
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February 4, 2021 8:17am
- Ian Boag
  
  Let’s see. She was single and flatting. For five years she saved about $700/week. Every week. Impressive. So she was single, flatting and had very well paid employment. The first $35k of annual tax-paid income went into the bank ….
  
  Yep. Anyone can do it …..
  
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  December 4, 2020 10:34am
  - Nickc2
    
    I fail to see why people are angsting over owning a house in NZ. Under the Marxist Utopia Cindy is plotting for us, peasants don’t own anything. The state will determine where its peasants live and how, along with who will do what and what reward if any the State will dish out.
    Get used to it! It’s coming.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    Single income is the key there Ian in case you missed it.
    
    No, she didn’t save $700 per week. For 3 years she paid back $30,000 pa approx plus dribbled into her Kiwisaver. Then she saved $43,000 over 2 years @ $445 ish per week by doing extra work as well as her job.
    
    She accumulated approx $30,000, probably less the $10,000 Homestart grant, in Kiwisaver over 5 years so $4,000 pa. That could be the 8% max that many now contribute so $50,000 pa, hardly “very well paid” employment.
    
    My point stands. She worked extra hours and jobs, saved hard, compromised and is nopw a homeowner. It may not be all she’d hoped for but it gets her on the ladder.
    
    Now factor in the second income with a partner/spouse/mate and the job gets easier.
    
    Batman refers to “snowflakes” above and I think that many that whinge about housing are just that, lazy snowflakes and yes, we deal with them far more than most.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:40am
    - Ian Boag
      
      You kind of moved the goalposts by bringing in a partner. I forgot about the $10k taxpayer handout. Other than that your numbers and mine are not all that different ….
      
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      February 4, 2021 10:07pm
  - Sacha
    
    She worked part time jobs as well, and I bet she didn’t flit off overseas for a holiday, or buy expensive clothes, or a new car or go on drinking benders with her mates –
    When we were saving, back in the ’60s, we flatted with another couple, and both of us worked. I worked extra shifts. And we never travelled out of the country.
    That’s what you had to do if you didn’t have a Bank-of-Mum-and-Dad, or a family trust.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:17pm
- NoFax
  
  The average house price went up more than $17,000 in January alone. You don’t see any issues with that?
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:25am
  - IC5000
    
    Eager to hear National’s plan for dealing with this if there is one apart from whining.
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:56am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      https://www.national.org.nz/housing-infrastructure-world-class-cities
      You did ask….
      RMA reform..immediate …you know..the reform Labour opposed and are now trying to claim as their own idea.
      
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      February 4, 2021 1:10pm
    - tf78
      
      IC – you start with sorting out the bloody councils.
      
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      February 4, 2021 6:36pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I do not. Extra $17,000 needs an extra $3400 deposit with the balance @ 2.29% an extra $13.00 per week.
    
    The average person is capable of an extra few extra hours per week. Chop neighbours’s trees, mow lawns, clean gutters, bag potatoes, work a shift in a carparking building, grow produce and sell it locally, give up cigarettes and alcohol for a couple of years.
    
    There are literally hundreds of things people can do to raise extra money …. legally.
    
    But nah, sit at home, look at the telly and moan like fuck about how hard it is to a pathetic journalist. Is that now the Kiwi way?
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:46am
    - Ian Boag
      
      The $3400 – cash now – could be an issue …
      
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      December 4, 2020 10:08pm
  - Sacha
    
    Blame the government, no-one else.
    It has single-handedly caused the housing price boom by disrupting the need for people to better their own living standards, and instead making landlords responsible.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Actually, low interest rates and poor alternative investments for retirement are the primary reason causing people to look to housing as an investment.
      
      Look at the stock market and tell me that most kiwis view that as safe. Poor regulation and a market that is ripe for corruption gives little confidence for many.
      
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      February 4, 2021 6:15pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    On a 20% deposit the extra deposit would have been 20% of $17k = $3.5k. Extra loan would have been 80% of $17k – about $13k. Payments on extra loan would have been maybe $16/week.
    
    I don’t have an opinion as to whether that would stymie a purchase …. just running the numbers
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:53pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I suppose the problem is multiplying by 52 but buying a house is more than a 5 minute plan.
      
      When we bought our first house we had travelled overseas and worked and saved so came home debt free but with a few bucks in the pocket. I sought jobs that gave access to a mortgage but found the public service too stifling so started my own business using my skills and knowledge from overseas.
      
      A couple of extra jobs later, plus a few tutoring jobs and the deposit was found.
      
      What is different?
      
      Attitude, snowflakes, mummy not helping?
      
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      February 4, 2021 8:41pm
Yvette

We need more than a sprinkle of te reo in our culture for the Māori language to thrive – Shilo Kino
It is good to see our biggest television media network here in Aotearoa normalising the use of te reo Māori. On the 6pm news, te Reo now extends beyond the usual “kia ora, good evening”. But shouldn’t this be the bare minimum for our publicly funded broadcaster? [1] the Guardian UK

But these quickly delivered little Maori phrases – thanking reporters or welcoming audiences to the next news section, for example : sport – have absolutely no translation, or even website reference where they could be looked up and studied, so flit through as much a mystery as any other Maori untranslated remains.
Some words appear to be mis-pronounced (with syllables ending in consonants, which in Maori is supposedly impossible) so that makes it more difficult to use any other reference, like Google, to learn what was said.

In this form, without the phrases shown in a bottom of screen caption, either in Maori or English, the whole exercise is tokenism with no substance or teaching value.
And it is not “normalising” the language – it is creating an attitude of irritating irrelevance.
Considering $400 – 600 million is spent a year on retrieving te reo from extinction, this service could be much better value for money.
But, again, it seems like anything Labour presents – plenty of words, but no actual delivery.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/03/we-need-more-than-a-sprinkle-of-te-reo-in-our-culture-for-the-maori-language-to-thrive
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February 4, 2021 8:18am
- Frank the tank
  
  What the fuck has this to do with a left wing British Rag – worry about your own multicultural mess.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:44am
  - Jack5
    
    Don’t worry, the Shilo Kino nonsense appears only in the New Zealand pseudo-edition of the Guardian.
    
    You won’t find it in the Guardian UK, US, Australia, or international editions.
    
    The Guardian doesn’t have an official NZ edition, but when you log on to the site from a New Zealand internet address you go to a version of the Guardian that has New Zealand stories, usually four or five of them.
    
    Go to the Guardian through VPN (and every Kiwiblog follower should have VPN ready for the coming Labour-Green restrictions on free speech). You won’t find the Shilo Kino story at all, because the Guardian site can’t tell you are dialling from New Zealand.
    
    This pseudo-edition enables New Zealand Lefties to preen themselves up with the claim, “it’s in the Guardian.”
    
    Sorry, it’s only in the phoney New Zealand Guardian, readership a few thousand at most.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:03am
    - Frank the tank
      
      LOL
      
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      February 4, 2021 2:36pm
- graham
  
  Hit it on the head Yvette.
  
  I did once look up one of the simpler phrases, but haven’t bothered with any of the others. Even if I wanted to, they’re rattled off too quickly for me to be able to guess at how to spell them.
  
  As you say, it’s tokenism – nothing more. From what I see and hear, it does nothing to “normalise” the language – I’m certainly not hearing more use of the Maori language at my workplace, around my community, or in the shops.
  
  I’m afraid Shilo Kino (the author of this article) is living in a dream land. She writes that the language study book “Māori Made Easy” by Scotty Morrison has become a “staple in every household”. Really? Every household?? Sorry but I call utter BS on that claim.
  
  She asks why the Labour government won’t commit to making te reo Māori compulsory in schools? Well, quite possibly because at a time when our students are falling behind other developed countries in maths and science skills, maybe the government realises that there are other subjects that we should be concentrating on?
  
  To be clear, I have absolutely no issue with people learning the Maori language, if they want to. And I believe classes should be made widely available. I’d even go so far as to say they should be subsidised.
  
  But don’t make it compulsory. At a time when our children have an ever-increasing amount of skills they are expected to learn, including some that would never have been dreamed of twenty years ago, learning a second language – ANY language – to some degree is a “nice-to-have”, but that’s it.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:54am
- Raphael
  
  Does anybody even still watch the 6pm News?
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:13am
  - Unity
    
    I find the sprinkling of Maori on the TV News totally irritating and make me think those who do it are just showing off, so I’m now finding other avenues to get the news. Also the Maori names for our cities and country annoy me intensely. It would be good if we could have an English only channel seeing we already have at least one channel for Maori. Goodness knows how our kids are going to learn to speak anything but pidgin English.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:33am
    - doublehappy
      
      Whoops a typing slip, please forgive the incorrect Maori, twice. I didn’t read it again before posting.
      
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      February 4, 2021 3:18pm
  - doublehappy
    
    I have certainly stopped watching the news, pushed in an odd, made-up language, and with no truthful investigated content.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:28pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    About 15% of population. Set-in-their-ways geriatrics and a few lefties in younger age groups.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:47pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Te Reo is being mutilated with improper grammar and spelling. The vocab is pitifully small so words are being stretched to cover more than intended.
  The tribes are not coherent either. I believe there is a further respect version of the Te Reo which is reserved for special use. What we get is the left over hu and koti.
  
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  February 4, 2021 1:02pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Is there any truth to the rumour that the recent string of Wgtn pipes ruptured has been caused by cyclists seeking traffic havoc?
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February 4, 2021 8:21am
- Batman
  
  A nefarious plot by big cycling, you say?
  
  I’m into it.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:15am
  - Jack5
    
    A cyclist?
    
    Battie is the ??Batmobile still recharging?
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:05am
    - Batman
      
      Hi Jack,
      
      No I mean I’m in for a conspiracy by evil big cycling. Not that I am a cyclist who’s in on it.
      
      Oh, and the Batmobile runs on avgas. Jet power and all that…
      
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      February 4, 2021 4:03pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Nope, just wears the pants because (deleted for being far too accurate) ….
      
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      February 4, 2021 8:47pm
- cmm
  
  Perhaps more indirectly: Councils focusing on what colour to paint crossings and making cycleways to nowhere rather than focusing on the core business of maintaining pipes.
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    Like ….
    
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bmkYyMcptI8/hqdefault.jpg
    
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    February 4, 2021 8:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m always surprised when folks tell me they never learnt any NZ history at school.

I never took history as such as a subject, but somewhere along the line in Primary School, I learnt a fair amount about the arrival of folks to this country (as it was understood in the 1960s) and how they lived here.
I had to do a big project on the settlement of my town (Whanganui) in Form 2.

I must admit I was pretty bored with NZ history by the time I reached high school and it held little appeal as a subject.

I wonder if other children will get bored with 9-10 years of learning about Aotearoa NZ’s history.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/435720/region-specific-early-battles-migration-to-be-taught-in-new-history-curriculum
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February 4, 2021 8:28am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  And since it is compulsory it takes time away from teaching maths and science
  
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  February 4, 2021 8:32am
- Frank the tank
  
  My yr8 boy thinks it’s utter shit. His words not mine:
  
  “NZ is the most boring place on earth – boring animals, boring history nothing cool ever happened and the Maori made all our half interesting animals extinct”
  
  He has a point, a valid point at that.
  
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  February 4, 2021 8:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Perhaps you and he should move to Venezuela.
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:27am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Don’t need to – (little) Aotearoa will resemble it fairly quickly with your mob in control for a few more years.
      
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      February 4, 2021 10:53am
  - Batman
    
    One bright spot: we don’t have Haast Eagle warning sirens to worry about, then hiding small adults and children from them hahaha
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:30am
    - Frank the tank
      
      How fucking cool would it be if the Haast’s Eagle was still around. What an animal it would have been.
      
      On an interesting note when my son and I were surfing the net we encountered an interesting theory on Taniwhas. Salties that got swept down from the tropics throughout NZ’s pre-colonial history. Sounds actually plausible.
      
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      February 4, 2021 10:52am
      - tf78
        
        Frank – I reckon they’re eels – I’ve seen videos of them eat a dear.
        
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        February 4, 2021 6:42pm
    - Raphael
      
      If one we did. It would be grat for the Tourist Industry especially withthe whole Middle Earth thing
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:14am
    - Jack5
      
      It seems to have died out when Maori killed off moa, its main diet.
      
      If Whites had got here first, around 1100AD, Haast’s Eagle might have survived on sheep for a while, then on trampers.
      
      As it was, the eagle must have run out of Ngai Tahu, wandering upland from the coast.
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:15am
      - Batman
        
        Yes I did wonder who could be to blame but thought the joke was funny enough anyway ?
        
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        February 4, 2021 4:05pm
  - cmm
    
    Excitement is overrated.
    
    I grew up in Africa where everything wants to kill you: insects, scorpions, snakes, bats, lightning and people.
    
    I got bitten by a snake, monkeys, ticks, ants, spiders. I got stung by scorpions, hornets and killer bees. I got attacked by a rabid bat. And I won’t go into details about people wanting to kill me.
    
    I remember the first time looking at NZ bush and thinking there are no snakes to worry about – pretty liberating.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:25am
    - jonno69
      
      are you sure you weren’t, swallowed and crapped out by a crocodile as well lol.
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:37am
    - Inandout
      
      cmm, I reckon you would be safer in Africa than in some streets in NZ.
      
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      February 4, 2021 1:26pm
      - cmm
        
        I reckon you’ve never been to Africa.
        
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        February 4, 2021 3:41pm
      - alloytoo
        
        I will take most streets in NZ over the average street in Africa.
        
        CMM, you forgot about Hippos 🙂
        
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        February 4, 2021 3:41pm
      - Batman
        
        CMM – definitely never been to africa.
        
        When was the last time anyone got carjacked at gunpoint in NZ?
        
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        February 4, 2021 4:10pm
- New Zealander
  
  Do you think our kids will learn about pre-colonisation Maori atrocities in their local area or just the evil British invasions?
  
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  February 4, 2021 8:43am
  - marleybob
    
    I wonder what story they will come up when explaining the Boyd massacre.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:48pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I recall learning about ‘the Maoris’ at primary school. That was all about pre-contact tribal life – nothing about the NZ wars.
  But I did a fair bit of NZ history at college, modules on the welfare state, NZ in the world, etc, although most of the material was on European history.
  
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  February 4, 2021 8:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I must have learnt about the stockade at Cooks Garden and the Battle of Moutua Island and the Hauhau sometime by Std 4, because there was no way there would be any teaching of anything about Maori Wars or NZ wars whilst I was at a Quaker School.
    
    I’ll be interested in how the Pacifist left feel about teaching children war stories.
    
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    February 4, 2021 9:43am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      By making Archibald Baxter’s We Will Not Cease a textbook?
      
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      February 4, 2021 10:22am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Can’t recall seeing it at NZ Friends School.
        Even though his sons attended there in 1936.
        
        And James K. would turn up every now and again for a feed when I attended the school… on his way up to/down from Jerusalem/ Hiruharama.
        
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        February 4, 2021 10:39am
      - Jack5
        
        When you’re in a tiny country of five million, with human settlement of less than a millennium, local history is always going to be a fraction of history.
        
        The crux of the current argument is whether there is going to be one dictated Leftist version of history inculcated in our school children.
        
        And it will be at the expense of English and maths, where our school standards are sliding.
        
        New Zealand’s behaving like some Congo backwater in a Conrad story: retreating to a remote, small, indigenous culture and language. It is retreating from Western culture and the great English language, the world lingua franca, the world language of business, trade, diplomacy, science, academia.
        
        We are having some sort of national breakdown.
        
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        February 4, 2021 11:13am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Although first published in 1939, most of the copies were destroyed during the Blitz (irony). The book did not become well known in NZ until well after it was republished in the late 1960s.
        
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        February 4, 2021 11:24am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What will be taught will be the official expurgated version attempting to subvert the Treaty. Govts are now allowing Maori to reclaim their former wholly sovereign status after having been paid an unreasonably large sum for our joint occupancy rights. Utu is also in the bacground.
  
  Race relations have deteriorated severely in the past 30 years. Now the Police keep out of Northland or operate only with agreement there.
  But wait… there’s more–you’re occupying Maori land?
  
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  February 4, 2021 8:50am
  - pdm
    
    Kev – it certainly seems that the (so called) Maori Caucus is running the current Government.
    
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    February 4, 2021 9:04am
  - MCos
    
    “Now the Police keep out of Northland or operate only with agreement there.”
    That’s an odd thing because I went fishing with a policeman on his day off up there a couple of years ago and there was no talk about anything like that.
    
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    February 4, 2021 9:53am
    - IC5000
      
      Well he is obviously part of the conspiracy.
      
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      February 4, 2021 10:58am
    - Phronesis
      
      Good to hear they are still letting the police visit on their day off. We will know things are getting bad when they don’t.
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:02am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I think it is a more recent feature of the Far North.
      
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      February 4, 2021 1:05pm
      - Batman
        
        A non-existent feature.
        
        People talk a lot of unadulterated horseshit…
        
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        February 4, 2021 4:12pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Fishing with Andy Coster were you?
      
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      February 4, 2021 2:39pm
- rouppe
  
  History didn’t attract me either.
  
  The thing that bothers me about this announcement is that NZ history seems to begin with the arrival of colonists.
  
  Also, colonists did bad things, certainly, but by using the term”colonist” the objective seems to be to tar everyone who is non- Maori with that brush. Colonists were British. The British leaders made the decision that led to NZ history.
  
  Lastly, history should teach the balance of colonization. It should teach the explosion of productivity for Maori with the arrival of the technology that those colonists brought. The leap of Ages that occurred.
  
  I’m sure it won’t
  
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  February 4, 2021 8:55am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I can only assume you didn’t read the whole article:
    
    The reset will include seven overarching themes:
    – The arrival of Māori to Aotearoa
    – First encounters and early colonial history of Aotearoa
    – Te Tiriti o Waitangi and its history
    – Colonisation of, and immigration to, Aotearoa, including the New Zealand Wars
    – The evolving national identity in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries
    – The role of Aoteraroa in the Pacific
    – Aotearoa in the late 20th century and the evolution of a national identity with cultural plurality
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:25am
    - Jack5
      
      The issue will be what it leaves out.
      
      Obviously, the aim is to downplay the effects of White settlement, and to raise views of the role of the local indigenous tribes, still battling away with stone tools, without a written language or the wheel, and having for centuries forgotten their Polynesian heritage of ocean voyaging.
      
      How New Zealand was made into a viable, First World economy (farming methods, land ownership, cadastral system, banking, the role of Australian graziers, refrigeration etc) will be a bloody footnote.
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:21am
    - Don Beckett
      
      This Aotearoa sounds like an interesting place, but I can’t find it in an atlas or a map of the world.
      Is it om planet earth, or somewhere else in the galaxy?
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:34am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You will find it mentioned on your passport.
        
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        February 4, 2021 11:56am
      - Tall Man
        
        You certainly don’t want to go there … especially if you are an elderly white man …….
        
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        February 4, 2021 12:09pm
      - doublehappy
        
        In a place far, far, far away. And may it stay there.
        
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        February 4, 2021 12:34pm
      - SB2
        
        Just across the ditch right of OZ
        
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        February 4, 2021 12:40pm
      - giltee
        
        It’s understandable Don because the evil colonists invented the name Aotearoa after they arrived. Perhaps Maori were too busy with fighting each other, taking other tribes land, eating those they conquered to have a name for the whole country.
        
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        February 4, 2021 1:39pm
      - Jack5
        
        Aotearoa’s where the Ah-Oh creatures live.
        
        These white bipeds are renown because most of the time their heads are positioned right up their arses.
        
        The name Ah-Oh was bestowed by anthropologists because of the name Ah-Oh critters have for their homeland. They pronounce it in the remote indigenous language: Ah-Oh Tea-Rower.
        
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        February 4, 2021 4:44pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Not much to learn there.
      ~~Aotearoa~~ Name for hills above Brooklyn, Wellington, alternatively used to describe socialist politicians with their minds in the clouds.
      
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      February 4, 2021 1:09pm
    - zulumonster
      
      “Colonisation of, and immigration to, Aotearoa, including the New Zealand Wars”
      I wonder why it isn’t the Aotearoa Wars?
      
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      February 4, 2021 1:21pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Don’t encourage them.
        
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        February 4, 2021 4:23pm
  - Batman
    
    Not forgetting the plague of pestilence and disease that arrived as well.
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:27am
    - Jack5
      
      When you have the world’s most isolated country you are going to have a wave of disease arrive.
      
      The Gisborne mob hyped it up with accusations that Cook’s men brought syphilis. If they had any knowledge at all, they would know that syphilis originated in the Americas, but that Polynesians had some immunity to it because of the widespread disease of yaws. Perhaps Maori didn’t bring yaws with them to New Zealand.
      
      It was the Westerners who brought to the South Pacific the cure for leprosy, which had been in the region long before the arrival of Western explorers.
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:24am
    - Nickc2
      
      And not forgetting the tribal wars, cannibalism and slavery that existed before Maori were taught new ways of doing things.
      
      Oh, and don’t forget the influence settler’s religions had on Maori and the influence of those religions today.
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:38am
    - Yabster
      
      yeah because Maori never got sick before those dirty whities turned up, right Woke Batman? -it was a utopia wasn’t it- or was it because they died at about 30 -didn’t have time to get old age sicknesses.
      
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      February 4, 2021 12:19pm
    - Sacha
      
      @ Batman -When you think about it, the country was in isolation back then, too . . . . . . . they should have locked the borders. I wonder what these islands would be like today, if they had.
      
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      February 4, 2021 12:30pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        “I wonder what these islands would be like today, if they had?” Well here is a list of countries that were not colonized. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Thailand, China, Afghanistan, Liberia, Nepal, Bhutan, and Ethiopia
        
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        February 4, 2021 2:40pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  but somewhere along the line in Primary School, I learnt a fair amount about the arrival of folks to this country (as it was understood in the 1960s) and how they lived here.
  Me too.
  Wonder if they will put the statue of Kupe back in Wellington Railway station?
  
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  February 4, 2021 8:55am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The statue of Kupe, in the railway station was a plaster model. Some years ago, it was cast in bronze and put in a prominent place on the waterfront by Whairepo Lagoon. Sorry disappoint you.
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:30am
    - Crisplion
      
      I love that statue – it’s an epic portrayal of a legendary hero in fine Greco-Roman style.
      
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      February 4, 2021 12:34pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Was that really a plastered Kupe? Blind drunk?
      Where is Firy Night Lagoon?
      
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      February 4, 2021 1:11pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      prominent place on the waterfront by Whairepo
      Yes I know…where almost nobody will see it, especially when it rains.
      Wgtn Railway stn means 10’s of thousand see it 2x a day.
      It was also in storage for years.
      
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      February 4, 2021 1:14pm
  - pdm
    
    Why would they RWC.
    
    I will bet that there was no railway station in Wellington when Kupe arrived in New Zealand.
    
    In fact I will bet there was no Wellington.
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:32am
- doublehappy
  
  Please stop using that word, we are New Zealand.
  
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  February 4, 2021 9:41am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You might want to check your passport.
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:30am
    - Jack5
      
      The Maori on the passport is just tourism garble.
      
      Customs and Immigration staff at world airports read Maori?
      
      What a joke.
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:26am
    - graham
      
      You might want to check a map.
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:45am
    - Yabster
      
      wish you would use your passport Mike..
      
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      February 4, 2021 12:20pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Like the Chinese have all Islands in South China Seas ( Disputed ).
      Does’nt mean we all agree to it.
      
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      February 4, 2021 5:31pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We may well be NZ, but the title of the stuff being added to the National curriculum is called
    “Aotearoa New Zealand’s histories”
    https://www.education.govt.nz/our-work/information-releases/issue-specific-releases/nzhistories/
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:45am
    - curry4me
      
      Maggy Wassilieff: Well, I suppose it sounds better than woke PC garbage as a title.
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:31am
    - doublehappy
      
      You have just used it again!
      
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      February 4, 2021 12:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m not very obedient.
        
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        February 4, 2021 6:21pm
    - SB2
      
      Appears sensible to me.Yourself ?
      
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      February 4, 2021 12:41pm
  - giltee
    
    Not for much longer and then we’ll be all doublehappy
    
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    February 4, 2021 1:42pm
- artemisia
  
  One of ours, year 10, has to do a self directed project this year. Great, I thought, a chance to learn some useful skills, like how to start a business, design and market a phone app or produce a music video. But no, there is to be “a focus on social action, real world contexts, and connecting with community groups within and beyond the school”.
  
  There’s a code there, not very well hidden. How hard would it be to let the kids choose their own path.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:11am
- curry4me
  
  Maggy Wassilieff: Reason #958 to consider home schooling.
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Na,
    there’s still lots of fun to be had at school.
    
    I’ve got neighbours behind me that home-school.
    Their kids are on a strict time-table day-in, day-out (including holidays).
    They don’t seem to socialise with other kids.
    Bloody weird.
    
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    February 4, 2021 6:27pm
- Unity
  
  And you can bet your bottom dollar it won’t be true history but some sanitised touchy feely version. You only have to look at how they portray Parihaha where the church didn’t burn down (it’s still standing today) and the only casualty was a child whose foot was stood on by a horse!!
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:36am
- Bob
  
  Any one who went through school after the mid 80’s would never have ‘studied’ NZ history.
  The proposed Hipkins curiculum for history is what we in the 1940/50’s were taught as General Knowledge/Social Studies.
  
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  February 4, 2021 12:29pm
- Sacha
  
  I must have expressed an interest when I was about 12 – my Mother gave me a History of New Zealand by, I think, someone Sinclair, for Christmas. It had a dark green linen cover . I remember reading it, but nothing of the subject.
  
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  February 5, 2021 5:48pm
Simon

Tax cuts are for Key’s ‘rich mates’ – Cullen

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tax-cuts-are-for-keys-rich-mates-cullen/3W2LXA3OB2HAPZB4RSLFLPJRFY/

Yep Cullen wanked on about “rich mates” like some soy boy leftist on social media.

Cindy’s massive money printing benefits Key’s so called rich mates – to the massive detriment of the working poor – in a manner never contemplated by the most evil money loving capitalist.
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February 4, 2021 8:28am
- Paulus
  
  The more money you print the gap between rich and poor becomes wider as it dissipates everywhere particularly into housing, as it is the only investment available (along with boats, skidoos and smart cars).
  New Zealand’s standard of living gap is rapidly becoming like South Africa was 40 years ago.
  The haves, and have nots – who are rapidly increasing.
  Look what happening daily – frightening.
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:05pm
Paulus Gnome

The Prime Misister tells us; ‘Some of the stories of Ruapekapeka have become legendary: of children inside the pā defusing enemy shells before they could detonate’

Really? Whose version of history are we hearing here?

Anyone else see the difficulty of the teaching any New Zealand history with a woke anti-white spin?
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February 4, 2021 8:28am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You don’t think that happened?
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:31am
  - Phronesis
    
    Fuses of the era used black powder and were timed for 4-5 seconds. If they hadn’t gone off by the time you found the shell they were unlikely too. The story more plausibly would be that they disassembled the unexploded shells.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:14am
  - cmm
    
    Nope
    
    How did the little kids “defuse” a shell before it could explode?
    
    This sounds like a myth rather than history. File with Maui pulling up the North Island.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:17am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You could well be right. I can find no specific reference to it. Apart from anything else, the fortifications at Ruapekapeka included large bomb-proof bunkers, so there would be no reason to9 venture out during the shelling.
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:54am
    - Tall Man
      
      Blew out the wick or pulled it out of the cannon ball.
      
      “Shell
      An explosive anti-materiel and counter-battery projectile, of iron with a cavity packed with a high explosive bursting charge of powder used to destroy enemy wagons, breastworks, or opposing artillery. Two types of fuses were used—impact fuses that detonated the bursting charge by percussion, and time fuse cut to length measured in seconds and ignited by flame from the propellant charge.[2]”
      
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      February 4, 2021 12:06pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    No
    
    The PM injecting a piece of fake history, one lie at a time . . .
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:42pm
    - Dougal10
      
      Like just cindy on the latest news saying the subaru cluster is unique to nz and should be celebrated . History shows that knowelege must have been brought here in the waka as the 7th star hasn’t been distinguishable with the naked eye for thousands of years.
      
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      February 4, 2021 5:12pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    No stories of them being blown to bits, like other bomb disposal experts.
    
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    February 4, 2021 1:17pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    So what if it did? Weren’t they being renegades under the Treaty and laws following.
    If they want to re-write history there must be proof it is not for the purpose of sedition or other troublemaking. Utu has been abolished from New Zealand.
    
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    February 4, 2021 1:17pm
- oldfella
  
  Paulus, the current NZ History website has a lot of good material, like this piece on Ruapekapeka.
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/northern-war/ruapekapeka
  I’m not a history scholar, but the site seems very even-handed in the way it presents the material. Now, all we need is for our teachers to follow the same approach.
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:14am
- G152
  
  Yeah right. Children with the technical knowledge and expertise in gunnery to ‘defuse’ rather warm freshly fired shells but without the language skills to read any of the manuals…
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:23am
- Nickc2
  
  Defusing enemy shells? What a load of crap! What shells? Weren’t these known as the ‘Musket’ wars? Muskets fire ‘shot’ (round metal balls), not ‘shells/bullets’ FFS.
  Someone’s Granny’s got the story fucked up.
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:51am
  - Nickc2
    
    My post above is not correct. I Fd up the battle and dates. The PM’s story could be true given the armaments used at the time.
    https://ruapekapeka.co.nz/the-battle-of-te-ruapekapeka/armaments/
    This was posted before my original post was cleared by the mods.
    
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    February 4, 2021 1:43pm
    - KiwiSapper
      
      I strongly suggest that before referring us to sites supporting “facts” you establish just who runs the sites.
      
      In this case, DoC and a Treaty group.
      I won’t even bother starting to argue with them……..
      
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      February 5, 2021 10:35am
- alex Masterley
  
  Not sure that story about children being inside the pa etc is correct.
  The pa appears to have been a baited trap, as it had little strategic importance, for the British forces with most of its occupants, except warriors having left. and even then plan seems to have been defend the place, annoy the British and then disappear into the forest.
  Perhaps the PM is gilding the Lily.
  
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  February 4, 2021 1:10pm
RW Capitalist

Unemployment down?
Bought with an EXTRA $80bill of debt.
about $800 000 per job
or to look at it another way.
Without this level of borrowing unemployment would be double or even triple what they claim it is today.
Wonder why Grant never tells you how we are going to pay all this back?
When the dust settles on covid, we will be 3rd world status, with debt we can’t pay back?
Notice he’s still pushing the “early and hard” BS narrative.
Question for Grant:
Why didn’t you follow the pre prepare
“Influenza pandemic response plan c2017”, handed to you by the Key/English govt. and easily available on the MoH web site. You don’t even have to hack your way in.
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February 4, 2021 8:35am
- Batman
  
  Dude the budgets and fiscal updates from Treasury contain debt tracks and such.
  
  Just because he doesn’t explain it every time he’s on telly doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. I disagree with him but it’s still there.
  
  You’re running the same logic that we mocked the left for 2009-15 when they complained about Key and English putting debt on the credit card with no way to pay it back etc.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:13am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Just because he doesn’t explain it every time he’s on telly
    Name just one time, he did EXPLAIN it.
    
    You’re running the same logic that we mocked the left for 2009-15
    We had a “rockstar economy, with actual economic growth and REAL falling unemployment. Built on the back of an ever increasing/improving economy..against the GFC.
    Here we have the reverse, the economy was slowing before covid, giving us worse results.
    Jacinda shut the economy down, instead of the boarder.
    Finally their solution was to BORROW to cover up the mess they have made.
    This can’t continue.
    Borrowing has to be paid for with REAL growth, otherwise it’s just cheque kiting.
    
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    February 4, 2021 1:24pm
    - Batman
      
      I don’t disagree at all, RWC.
      
      My point was solely about the silliness of the original point re repaying debt. Those measures exist and it’s not even the MoF’s day to day job to go around managing debt repayment.
      
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      February 4, 2021 4:21pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        YES it is…..
        
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        February 4, 2021 5:16pm
      - Batman
        
        It is at a macro level but not micro day to day.
        
        You don’t really understand what ministers actually do, I’m afraid.
        
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        February 4, 2021 5:28pm
- Paulus
  
  Easy for Robertson and Ardern – write it off by legislation – they have the numbers to change the laws whenever they want.
  There, all done !
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:08pm
Benedict Yu

“[It will be] more than just a day off”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300221005/new-matariki-public-holiday-date-to-move-around-like-easter-date-for-2022-to-be-announced

Ahhhh no – it will be just a day off.

BTW I have two rules on Waitangi Day:

1. Go do something fun and outdoors.

2. Avoid reading or listening to all media on the day so my mood does not get spoiled.
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February 4, 2021 8:41am
- NoFax
  
  You are right – it is a fake holiday that academics alone “celebrate”. The vast majority of NZers will treat it as a day off. But no one will celebrate as the so called academics think.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:36am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The vast majority of NZers will treat it as a day off.
    
    Like every other holiday then.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:57am
- curry4me
  
  Benedict Yu: You’re not in a minority of one when it comes to our ‘national day’.
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:34am
- Unity
  
  No TV for us on Waitangi Day. We don’t want to see or hear all the nonsense.
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:39am
  - Batman
    
    Well the news is at prime BBQing time anyway….
    
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    February 4, 2021 4:22pm
  - curry4me
    
    Unity: Just like every other day as far as I’m concerned. The two best places for a TV are TradeMe, or the nearest recycle depot.
    
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    February 4, 2021 6:01pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Matariki celebrations have no part in a Christian society, they are pagan ancestor worship.
  
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  February 4, 2021 1:19pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Like Easter?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%92ostre
    
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    February 4, 2021 2:44pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The date arose out of the early Church meeting in Nicea in 325.
      
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      February 4, 2021 4:28pm
  - Batman
    
    Kev have you missed the memo that we’re not a Christian society?
    
    We get to have whatever holidays we darn well like!
    
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    February 4, 2021 4:24pm
krazykiwi

One day in a land far away and a time long gone a Priest came to where the Many were tending their crops and livestock and said…

“There are locusts coming and we must prepare!”

“But locusts come every year and all the years gone by”, the Many replied, “It is always so, why must we prepare?”

“These are not the locusts of all the years gone by,” the Priest said, “these are new and terrible locusts that I call by a New Name. We must prepare.”

“What do these new and terrible locusts with the New Name do?” the Many asked in great fear.

“Why,” said the Priest, “they consume a portion of our crops and then move on.”

The Many trembled in dread.
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continues …
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February 4, 2021 8:43am
- dave_c_
  
  Absolutely brilliant !
  
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  February 4, 2021 8:48am
- Tall Man
  
  I liked this one further down the page.
  
  https://freetofindtruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/HippocraticOaf-scaled.jpg
  
  Pretty sure we could add Amazon, Twitter and a few others to that list.
  
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  February 4, 2021 8:51am
- tf78
  
  Krazy – that was brilliant and so true.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:19am
fernglas

Some facts around the Pfizer vaccine roll-out:
1) It is not to be given to those under 16, pregnant women or those with contra-indications. Those groups amount to about 25% of the population
2) The DG of Health wants 70% of the population vaccinated. This would require close to 95% takeup amongst the remainder of the population.
3) Medsafe have said that it is proven effective for two months (although that figure may extend as more of the world is vaccinated).
4) Britain has taken two months to give the first dose to a quarter of its population
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February 4, 2021 8:49am
- Don Beckett
  
  Won’t be getting it – it’s still experimental, and besides, it uses aborted baby tissue in it’s manufacture.
  Nope, I’ll just have my usual ‘flu jab, and get hydroxychloroquine with zinc, or Ivermectin – that’ll keep the tame little Covid-19 away from me.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:35am
  - Oskar
    
    Thought I would check your comment about “it uses aborted baby tissue in its manufacture”.
    I found this.
    No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells. However, Pfizer and Moderna did perform confirmation tests (to ensure the vaccines work) using fetal cell lines.
    
    But it’s important to have the full context: Fetal cell lines are not the same as fetal tissue. Fetal cell lines are cells that grow in a laboratory. They descend from cells taken from elective abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. Those individual cells from the 1970s and 1980s have since multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, creating fetal cell lines. Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue.
    https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells#:~:text=No%2C%20the%20COVID%2D19%20vaccines,the%20same%20as%20fetal%20tissue.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:12am
    - Pharmachick
      
      @Oskar – correct. But Don was partially correct, there are loads of cell lines that weren’t made from aborted tissue e.g. The Caco-2 cell line was developed by the Sloan-Kettering Institute for Cancer Research (USA) through research conducted by Dr. Jorgen. It is a colorectal cell line immortalized from a carcinoma biopsy from a 72 year old Caucasian male. The chromosome number is 96, occurring at 16% with polyploidy at ~3%. Its mostly used for drug/cehmcial absorption and transporter studies.
      
      Hep G2 is a liver cell line derived from the liver tissue of a 15 year old caucasian male with hepatocellular carcinoma. Mostly used for drug metabolism studies, although enzyme levels are low. The cells are epithelial, have a modal chromosome number of 55 and a rearranged chromosome 1. HepG2 were transformed by Prof. B. Knowles at the Wistar Institute in 1979 (USA).
      
      So there is an argument from some people that the HEK293 is morally/ethically/religiously repugnant, particularly if non-fetal (or embryonic) cells could also be used for this purpose. I get that, I don’t agree with it; but I understand it and support objectors rights to object.
      
      Couple other pertinent things:
      (1) Because HEK293 are embryonic they have very few genes expressed, so we use them commonly for cloning in the genes of interest as there’s no background noise and we can study mechanism. I have several CYP, UGT, STS and SULT wild type and mutant clones in my lab right now to study drug metabolism and also the structural effects of the mutants <– that work is very hard to do in NZ because of your restrictive cloning laws from the 1990s.
      
      (2) The Pope was so concerned about this for the vaccines, he issued a papal bull allowing vaccine use by decree.
      
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      February 4, 2021 1:48pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    This is partially accurate. These cells are not really human any more, they are at best humanoid, they are also immortalized.
    
    The HEK 293 cell line was generated by transforming primary human embryonic kidney cells (cultured from normal aborted fetuses).
    
    HEK293 were made in 1972 by Professor Alex Van der Eb (Holland) using sheared adenovirus 5 DNA which inserted a ~4.5 kilobase piece of the the viral genome into chromosome 19.
    
    HEK293 are hypotriploid. The modal chromosome number is 64, occurring in 30% of cells. The rate of cells with higher ploidies is ~4.2 %. Notably the cells are XXX.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:29am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Oh, you and your science. Don knows the vaccine is made from murdered babies.
      
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      February 4, 2021 11:58am
      - Pharmachick
        
        It’s [part of] my job to disseminate science, and that’s not just teaching Uni students. We should also acknowledge when there is partial truth to something that is a bit “ick” or could be used for misinformation. The only way to prevent that, is to educate.
        
        Scientists can be really crap communicators and/or we forget that jargon invades all our fields (e.g. see my reply to Hard Cheese below, the Mods occasionally catch me with the jargon, but I should know better), I have been explaining my job to my Mum and Step Dad for 20+ years plus various community groups – with varying levels of success.
        
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        February 4, 2021 2:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s [part of] my job to disseminate science,
        
        And I’m grateful that you do here.
        
        (I suspect quite a few other folks are also).
        
        It’s not usual for practising researchers to comment on this blog.
        
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        February 4, 2021 7:01pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      That sounds great. I wish I knew what any of it meant 🙂
      
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      February 4, 2021 12:27pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Kidneys from aborted fetuses were dissected, homogenized (like when you make a smoothie in a blender), and digested with enzymes until single cells floated in a nutrient solution.
        
        The good Prof then coaxed a piece of DNA taken from a virus (called adenovirus 5) across the cell membrane. Likely in those days he used a small electric shocks that produced transient holed in the cell that did not kill it (electroporation) –> these days we use a lipid carrier.
        
        That piece of DNA once it got into the cell nucleus integrated into the host cell DNA at the genetic level causing mutations. The mutations caused the cells to divide badly, so they didn’t always copy faithfully and the progeny cells picked up extra copies of chromosomes (ploidy) which caused even more of a mess in the genetics and eventually the cells just kept on dividing forever (immortalized cell line) and refused to senesce (die). Along the way they lost a lot of the markers that normally are seen in human cells, but we can still use them for certain lab experiments. All models are wrong, some models are useful.
        Capice
        
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        February 4, 2021 2:33pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Regarding 1), according to my daughter in London the UK advice to not vaccinate extends to women of child-bearing age who plan to conceive.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:49am
- cmm
  
  It is also not supposed to be used by those over 80 (maybe dropping to 75 or so after some problems). Pull them out and the numbers drop further.
  
  Kinda wonky to have a vaccination program that doesn’t allow the most vulnerable to be vaccinated.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:59am
  - Scooter
    
    In Italy the AstraZeneca vaccine will only be given to those under 55. Makes you wonder what’s worse covid or the vaccine?
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:27pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      COVID
      
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      February 4, 2021 4:03pm
- RalphT
  
  Fernglass, what’s with this term “pregnant women”? Don’t you know that the proper term is “pregnant people”. We don’t want to hurt the feelings of those blokes trying to conceive….
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:18am
- Paulus
  
  Our UK rellies have already had two injections.
  OK they are elderly.
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:11pm
chukar

MW,
Well the article does not mention New Zealand, so does not really apply.
The big question is will the accuracy of the historical accounts be audited by anyone at all.?
The tendency to rewrite actual events to support political views of the day is reprehensible, but seems to be growing .
I have no objection to the truth.
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February 4, 2021 8:49am
Maggie Pie

INTERSEX AUTONOMY NOW! (….see vid)

Auckland’s K’Rd is to get its very own ‘QUEER PED CROSSING’ by the end of the month!
Courtesy of Ratepayers guardian ‘AT’.
The same people that sponsored the City’s first ever Gay Fisting Festival (KIWIFIST) in 2018.

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1356839470822121474
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February 4, 2021 8:57am
- Ehlana
  
  Interesting. I was at Freyburg Place at the time of Diwali last year, and very nice the decorations of the steps were indeed. And they are again decorated, in the picture in the Stuff article, for gay pride.
  
  I happened to go there at Christmastime too. The steps were bare of any decoration at all. There was a star still standing from the Diwali decoration. But nothing for Christmas, a festival celebrated by the overwhelming majority of New Zealanders. I wonder why.
  
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  February 4, 2021 9:13am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Patay Na Si Hesus
    
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    February 4, 2021 9:23am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Because we are so short of decorations at Christmas…
    
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    February 4, 2021 9:32am
- mandk
  
  Do rainbow crossings have the same legal status as a zebra crossing, i.e. are motorists only obliged to stop on light controlled crossings and crossing marked with alternate black and white stripes across the road?
  
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  February 4, 2021 9:59am
  - Inandout
    
    man. from the road code:
    ‘Permanent warning signs
    Permanent warning signs are either yellow and black or green and black’.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:14am
  - Batman
    
    Mandk – I think this crossing has traffic lights, so you will probably get some angry peds if you choose not to stop!
    
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    February 4, 2021 4:31pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      By peds, do you mean ‘pedophiles’ ?
      
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      February 4, 2021 10:13pm
- Fletch
  
  Good excuse for jaywalking….
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:41am
  - oldfella
    
    Or gay walking?
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:50pm
- IC5000
  
  > The same people that sponsored the City’s first ever Gay Fisting Festival (KIWIFIST) in 2018.
  
  I am sure you can participate in heterosexual fisting if it irks you that much that these queers have taken it over. We don’t need to hear the gory details from you either.
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:05am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, do ‘Gays for Islam’ really exist, or is that a fagment of imagination?
  
  “I believe that most gay activists who wear the Islam label know the right path. They know in their heart that the Quran explicitly condemns their behaviour. But instead of admitting their wrong and seeking help from God to overcome their inclinations, and we all have inclinations, they commit further sin by seeking to legitimize their behaviour in Islam.”
  From a Muslim site.
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:09am
  - Master Mariner
    
    I’d take a stab and suggest only exist ‘once out of there country of origin.”
    
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    February 4, 2021 3:29pm
- giltee
  
  And to think Maggie that when I was a child a rainbow was something mystical with a pot of gold at the bottom of it. We all now understand what’s at the BOTTOM of them and it’s something I have no desire, sorry, wish to find.
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And never be fooled into thinking it’s Nutella.
    
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    February 4, 2021 3:49pm
- KiwiSapper
  
  Has it occured to anybody that these Queer pedestrian crossing have no place in Law? Pedestrian crossing which require motorists to stop and allow pedestrians free access across the road are clearly described in the appropriate traffic regulations
  
  https://tinyurl.com/y3d6vuf2
  
  and require stated lines on the road surface and and vertical poles marked in an exact way.
  
  As these examples of “vomit on a road after a bad night out” have no legality they may well be considered … [Deleted – offensive. Mod.]
  
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  February 5, 2021 10:58am
Greg Ettridge

What a brilliant summation.
Dozens of houses destroyed in WA while brave firefighters distance and wear masks in 40’s heat.
Everyone in Victoria will wear a mask except rules manipulated to exclude tennis players and officials.
Entire populations will be coerced to receive useless vaccines.
Thank you for for your post, problem is the sheep will continue to be lead by clueless idiotic decisions.
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February 4, 2021 9:04am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Entire populations will be coerced to receive useless vaccines.”
  
  Any evidence for that? All the summaries of the clinical trials I have looked conclude the exact opposite. And they were extensive:
  
  https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728
  
  https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine
  
  https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions
  
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  February 4, 2021 9:12am
- Inandout
  
  WA, means Woke Australia.
  
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  February 4, 2021 9:15am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes Greg, and if you happened to hear St Ashley (the anointed liar and PR spinner of matters health) this morning on The am Show.
  
  He told Garner and the audience, that he “wanted to ensure that New Zealanders are informed in a balanced manner about the benefits of the safe and effective vacvines”.
  
  Well for the record:
  
  1. The FDA has not approved the Pfzier Biotech vaccine. It is being administered in the US under an Emergency Use Order, and it is still under going its Stage 4 level testing. The only thing is the population of the US are the guinea pigs.
  
  2. For some balance on the side effects of the Pfzier Biotech vaccine, you can read the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System website http://www.vares.hhs.gov
  This website requires the proper reporting of all side effects resulting from the administration of vaccines.
  
  Finally, for some balance about the sad death of the late Captain Sir Tom Moore.
  
  He was admitted to Bedford Hospital after being treated for pneumonia for some time. He later tested positive for Covid. He didn’t die because of Covid, he died because of pneumonia (which is an almost certain killer of people as old as Sir Tom, who had also had a history of other medical conditions), which was then complicated by Covid. So, to the NZ media, some honesty in your reporting, please!
  
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  February 4, 2021 9:46am
  - Frank the tank
    
    “Honesty in your reporting”. LOL. More chance of splitting a dozen coronas (the beer type) with the Waikato River Taniwha.
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:57am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Was interesting on ZB yesterday the host, Simon said that 7 years ago he was admitted to hospital for a flu that turned to severe pneumonia. He also has asthma. He is in his early 50’s now. But serious deadly effect do happen even with regular flu.
    
    Last year the young rugby player died from flu turned to pneumonia. And a 12 year old.
    
    In “In 2017, the Herald reported influenza was killing about 500 New Zealanders each year following research from University of Otago scientists.”
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:03am
    - hullkiwi
      
      SK, my mother in law died of pneumonia (in the UK as it happened) nearly 10 years ago.
      
      On the Friday afternoon, she had a cough, by Monday night we called the ambulance (we were told then it was pneumonia,. On the Tuesday we were told she had a 40% chance of surviving (but would need to live with an oxygen mask). She died 12 days later. The complications of a coronavirus were not mentioned.
      
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      February 4, 2021 2:09pm
Benedict Yu

“It would be “morally wrong” for the Government to send her and others in the same situation home.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/124119442/us-tourists-on-expiring-visa-desperate-to-stay-until-they-can-get-vaccinated

NO. It is not our job to provide a sanctuary for United States citizens.
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February 4, 2021 9:06am
- backster
  
  They are staying at no cost to this country.Indeed they are a cost benefit, a paying ‘tourist’. The immigration minister proves yet again he is a bureaucratic fool.
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:25pm
lastmanstanding

A couple of matters.

1. I agree with Michael Bassett that Cindy and Angry appear to be walking back their Hate Speech Laws. He suggests and I agree the focus groups including Labour and Green voters have warmed to the idea like a bucket of cold sick. I expect the idea will now fade however we conservatives must remain ever vigilant. Like rust Socialism never sleeps.

2. The Climate Change Report ( the only one done by ANY Government so hats off to Cindy etc) shows that NZ GDP would shrink 16%. This Report is getting traction internationally with those who see CG as a means of wealth transfer to Governments. Again conservatives and those who value their standard of living should keep beating the drum on the Report.
The Government commissioned the Report so they own it and its contents. Any attempt to dismiss it because it doesnt accord with their views should be laughed at and dismissed.
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February 4, 2021 9:20am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  That 16% reduction in GDP isn’t from the Taxpayers’ Union by any chance,
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:02am
  - Tall Man
    
    Those promises to “end child poverdee”, “build 100,000 houses”, “build a train set”, “provide a transparent government” weren’t from ardern the liar by any chance?
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:00pm
  - Yabster
    
    pretty clear it is part of the report- did you recently come out of our schooling system?
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:27pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    No. The Taxpayers’ Union does sensible things mostly.
    
    https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/maori_wards?utm_campaign=210204_maori_wards_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
    
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    February 4, 2021 1:19pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Even if it was, which I have no knowledge of, the -ve 16% is almost certainly understated.
    Also what is missing is the effects of the new energy sources coming on stream. Electricity will not require bird-killer wind turbines or massive solar panels. Electric cars will be battery free and no re-charging.
    The present is already obsolete. More in due course…
    
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    February 4, 2021 1:31pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    No as I said it was the writers of the Report commissioned by the Government.
    
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    February 4, 2021 2:21pm
- Jimbob
  
  The report is an orchestrated literary of lies.
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:55am
lastmanstanding

On the unemployment numbers. Back in the early 70s my Economics lecturer said that full employment meant 5% unemployed. He said these were the unemployable.

I suggest you ask the business owners who are desperate for staff and they will tell they cant find people for their jobs. Economies dont grow if there arent the right people to fill jobs.
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February 4, 2021 9:31am
- cmm
  
  Yup Bill English said about the same thing.
  
  Unemployment levels below approx 5% mean that we’re really scraping the barrel and are putting incompetent people into the workforce.
  
  This is not a good thing because they are a drain on the productivity of the people around them.
  
  But what really matters is how you define unemployed. That 5% should include sickness beneficiaries etc which it probably does not.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:55am
- backster
  
  147000 on Jobseeker benefit up 10% on previous quarter.
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:32pm
DeepBlue

Continuing the list from another poster recently….

SMILOCRACY: with a smile, the kind ruler convinces you to kill your own two cows because they eat too much grass, which is far more nutritious in your vegan salad.
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February 4, 2021 9:39am
Fletch

According to the news, a “new study” has shown that because of Covid lockdowns the air is cleaner, which has led to a warming of the planet. ?

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/clean-air-because-covid-19-lockdowns-added-heat-warming-planet-new-study-finds

So, we’re basically doing the wrong thing.
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February 4, 2021 9:40am
Maggie Pie

The more astute among you will recall I posted here last week about ‘…..the pitfalls of doing business with the Chinese if you don’t speak the language’.
(Even the video I posted drew praise from the Mods 😀 )

Here is yet another ‘prime example’ of what can happen…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123979299/the-fraud-case-thats-halted-monster-1b-pokeno-property-development
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February 4, 2021 9:43am
- MCos
  
  This little snippet doesn’t instill confidence in Mr C
  “Eric Chase is a 40-year veteran of property sales, learning his trade in the corruption-riddled Brisbane of the 1980s, a man who jokes about being a rarity: the honest real estate agent”
  He may well have been shafted by some Chinese woman, but one gets the impression he took undue risks in search of the big bucks.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:28am
  - IC5000
    
    In a 40 year career he began as a resi agent and is still a resi agent. I suspect the women at the centre of this scam wanted someone pliable, not too bright and willing to look the away.
    
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    February 4, 2021 4:21pm
- SB2
  
  Plenty of Mandarin classes available for you to attend in Remuera.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:36am
  - SB2
    
    https://www.pistachiomandarin.co.nz/?gclid=CjwKCAiAsOmABhAwEiwAEBR0ZmVdNRtZCQVDhNlSCBJz7BNBTQA9mdB36PGDAGb_Tu5pO_u6Y45wZxoChoMQAvD_BwE
    
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    February 4, 2021 10:39am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No need to, silly!
    
    I’m in Jack Lum’s every day and they all speak perfect English.
    
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    February 4, 2021 11:17am
I remember when

Matariki:
Tourism operator: ‘Anything that creates time works for us.’
Explaining why the rest of industry is going to pay to help the recovery of the local tourism industry.
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February 4, 2021 10:03am
- MCos
  
  One day when tourists flood back into the country a whole lot of public holidays should be cancelled and the local tourism industry can give back to the rest of industry.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:32am
oldfella

Seems like Chris Trotter is again not convinced that Cindy and co can deliver on a big challenge.
“WE GOT THIS”, would seem to be the Labour Government’s response to the Climate Change Commission’s (CCC) uncompromising report
Outside the exceptional spheres of the Christchurch Mosques Massacre and Covid-19, the Ardern Government has, to date, offered no persuasive evidence that it knows how to do “decisive”.
Promise decisive action? = Check.
Ask for advice on how best to take decisive action? = Check.
Deliver decisive action? = Ah well, you know, there are no silver bullet solutions to the problems this government inherited from its predecessors.
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2021/02/where-our-ambition-lies.html
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February 4, 2021 10:30am
I remember when

Northern Outlook: Amberley tyre fire’s environmental cost article.
Sixty three year old Gary Grimmer was due to appear in court on Tuesday for arson of 160,000 tyres.
Last year he was sentenced to nine months’ supervision after setting alight a smaller pile at the same site.
Judge Jane Farish said it was clear he was motivated by frustration and had ‘snapped’ because he felt nothing was being done.
Grimmer’s action was not to cause damage, but to bring attention to his plight.
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February 4, 2021 10:35am
- cmm
  
  …or maybe he’s just a damn fire bug!
  
  Perhaps next time I can’t find a parking in town and set a dudge’s car on fire it will be because I just snapped and was frustrated.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:50am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

When Ricardo Menendez March wakes up each morning…..
does he have to pinch himself?
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February 4, 2021 10:37am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, or pinch his partner I suspect.
  
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  February 4, 2021 10:39am
cmm

Although I find archeology fascinating, but archeologists are open to quite irrational flights of fantasy.

There’s some speculation about the carved wooden dog found in Monck’s Cave.

“Funnily enough, …, it was a 4 inch (10cm) carved wooden dog that intrigued the reporter. Was it a toy for children, an ornament or charm, or something more prosaic? “It might, however, have only been the handle of some implement or weapon, as there were few articles bespeaking a frivolous life.””

What?

Surely those massive carvings that surround a marae, as well as all the intricate carving on all sorts of items that are associated with Maori culture are all frivolous? Surely all the Maori myths and ceremonial cloaks etc are frivolous?

Maori spent huge amounts of time in frivolous pursuits.

Could it really be an ornament? Would someone really hang a huge lump of wood around their neck?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/christchurch-life/124131234/1889-a-cat-a-dog-and-a-major-archaeological-find
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February 4, 2021 10:47am
- SB2
  
  I would say Old Testament mythology and legends are frivilous to many.
  
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  February 4, 2021 12:43pm
I remember when

‘Learn about Hapu & Maori groups in your area or sector.
Are they Black Power or Mongrel Mob?
What difficulties are those trying to maintain their heritage having finding members to do the work.
The simple facts are that many marae are now unable to provide the traditional Maori support.
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February 4, 2021 10:51am
- Tall Man
  
  “The simple facts are that many marae are now unable to provide the traditional Maori support.”
  
  Why?
  
  Surely there has been more than enough funding provided through Iwi settlements or is the money “earmarked” for only a certain few?
  
  I would have thought that most of the support only involved time and from the figures are to be believed there are plenty with time on their hands.
  
  https://www.mbie.govt.nz/dmsdocument/11844-maori-in-the-labour-market-june-2020-quarter-pdf
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:04pm
oldfella

‘Their goal is to destroy everyone’: Uighur camp detainees allege systematic rape.
First-hand accounts from inside the internment camps are rare, but several former detainees and a guard have told the BBC they experienced or saw evidence of an organised system of mass rape, sexual abuse and torture.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071
Remember. ‘Don’t trust China. China is asshole!’
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February 4, 2021 10:55am
- giltee
  
  So why isn’t he being prosecuted on the world stage for genocide. Xi has bought into stopping any criminal proceedings that can be waged against him. Simply his propaganda and lies are tolerated or accepted because no country wants to face the consequences. Look how they’ve made an example out of Australia as a lesson of what they’ll do to any weaker country that dares to question them. The CCP is evil.
  
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  February 4, 2021 3:48pm
burt

So this guy now gets citisenship ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300221402/man-admits-importing-469kg-of-meth-caught-in-new-zealands-biggestever-seizure
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February 4, 2021 11:00am
- fernglas
  
  Um, perhaps his name gives you the idea that he might already have it?
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:07am
- Tall Man
  
  “Isaiah John Te Hira”
  
  Already sorted I think.
  
  What will be interesting is when his lawyer plays the “colonisation” card.
  
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  February 4, 2021 11:51am
- greybeard
  
  Looks to me as if he is a native New Zealander, by his name.
  
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  February 4, 2021 12:00pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Blame it on colonisation.
    
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    February 4, 2021 12:14pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Just a wild guess, but Isaiah John Te Hira might already be a citizen.
  
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  February 4, 2021 12:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I suspect he was just a stool pigeon for the importers.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3802773/Fugitive-may-be-armed
  
  Not a Mr Big.
  
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  February 4, 2021 12:28pm
- SB2
  
  Continuing in the” fine” tradition of Terry Clarke and associates we could say.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Clark_(drug_smuggler)
  
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  February 4, 2021 12:47pm
- giltee
  
  Bring in the death penalty for these low life’s. A phrase from Stuffed’s begging letter: Stuff’s ethical reporting is built on accuracy, fairness and balance.
  
  Bahahahaha
  
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  February 4, 2021 3:54pm
graham

There just might be hope for the world after all …

Okay, we all laughed and joked at the memes of frumpy ol’ Bernie sitting at Biden’s inauguration with his mittens on … but a high school teacher wrote an op-ed accusing him of “displaying white privilege, male privilege and class privilege, in ways that my students could see and feel.”

Ingrid Seyer-Ochi, a former UC Berkeley professor, wrote in the San Francisco Chronicle, that:

“We talked about gender and the possible meanings of the attire chosen by Vice President Kamala Harris, Dr Jill Biden, the Biden grandchildren, Michelle Obama, Amanda Gorman and others. We referenced the female warriors inspiring these women, the colours of their educational degrees and their monochromatic ensembles of pure power.”

(Seriously?)

“And there, across all of our news and social media feeds, was Bernie: Bernie memes, Bernie sweatshirts, endless love for Bernie. I puzzled and fumed … I don’t know many poor, or working class, or female, or struggling-to-be-taken-seriously folk who would show up at the inauguration of our 46th president dressed like Bernie. Unless those same folk had privilege. Which they don’t.”

Following this load of cods-wallop, a bunch of people basically told her to pull her head in.

“What fresh hell is this take, I don’t even understand. The dude wore mittens and a big coat because it was cold and then he turned around and raised a ton of money for charity.”

“My eyes rolled so high and so hard it hurt. I’m thinking if you’re offended by Bernie’s mittens you might be getting a bit over-fragile,” one Twitter user wrote.

“Which is the white privilege: a man dressed in a heavy coat in winter, or a schoolteacher telling us how she imagines her students would perceive it instead of letting her students see it and speak for themselves,” another woman asked.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/teacher-called-humour-police-after-saying-bernie-sanders-mittens-were-white-male-privilege/KMFL4US4LZIQ44RW2SIMHE27UU/
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February 4, 2021 11:18am
lazza

Hey Newzealander re Lousy Kiwi Journalism/Journalists/ Journals.

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

I number many among the excellent NZ Journalists (forget their ideolologies PLEASE!”)
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February 4, 2021 11:20am
Greg Ettridge

Dim Sim Dan makes all his decisions on scientific based evidence from the experts.
In breaking news, anyone that has visited any of the sites of the CFA spreader, must get tested immediately, and quarantine for 14 days regardless
of test result.
Half the tennis players will be tested and if negative, go back to playing tennis immediately.
All makes perfect sense to me.
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February 4, 2021 11:28am
oldfella

You heard it here first: acronyms are RACIST.
The problem is so bad, San Francisco’s school board is changing the name of its art department, which was previously referred to using an acronym, because it is ‘prioritising anti-racist arts instruction’.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/02/03/are-acronyms-racist/
So, what other acronyms need to change because they might be offensive/racist.
WHO? ACT? BNZ? NZF? SWAT?
Feel free to add your suggestions. 😉
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February 4, 2021 11:33am
- Libertarians are right
  
  BLM
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:21pm
BeaB

I am surprised how many adults say, without a hint of embarrassment, ‘I didn’t learn anything about that at school’. This can cover anything from how to write a cheque to what happened in NZ’s past.
If they didn’t learn it at school does that mean they never learn it?
Don’t they ever read a book?
My life would have been much more limited if my knowledge had been restricted to only what I learned at school. And I went to a great school with brilliant teachers.
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February 4, 2021 11:35am
- Ehlana
  
  There are also people called parents, who in some families undertake to teach their children all manner of things themselves – household chores and home maintenance, budgeting, shopping, cooking, manners. They even take their children on educational outings to power stations or museums.
  
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  February 4, 2021 4:29pm
oldfella

‘Lord Of The Flies’ meets ‘1984’!
Coming to a school/Uni near you?
Last year, students at New York’s elite United Nations International School launched an anonymous social media campaign denouncing the school’s teachers and administrators for their “vast history of systemic racism,” “white liberal racist thinking,” and “direct, intentional, repeated racial trauma.” The students threatened to “cancel” their “oppressors” through social media shaming. Administrators immediately caved to their demands.
https://www.city-journal.org/black-at-unis-campaign
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February 4, 2021 11:38am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “UN International School”
  
  You are surprised, why?
  
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  February 4, 2021 7:53pm
I remember when

It was interesting yesterday watching a honey bee on lawn that I mowed the day before.
I had just removed a couple of yellow (weed) flowers that had escaped the grim reaper.
A bee appeared and hawked low over the area around where the flowers had been – I was thinking it was going to be wasting its time.
However, as I watched, it was concentrating on the restricted area, travelling in measured sweeps.
Then it found a lone clover flower which I had not noticed.
It was like watching a search and rescue operation.
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February 4, 2021 11:44am
- greybeard
  
  Tell your bees to come to my place: I have noticed a severe reduction in bees over the last couple of years.
  With concomitant crappy vege production.
  
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  February 4, 2021 3:05pm
Maggie Pie

CONFUCIOUS SAY…. 😀

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day!
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February 4, 2021 11:53am
- jonno69
  
  yeah and lady who fly upside down in airplane have crack up
  
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  February 4, 2021 1:43pm
- giltee
  
  We’ll sew it up then but be careful with needle because it get pricky if not careful.
  
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  February 4, 2021 4:03pm
curry4me

https://rumble.com/vdj7nx-beijing-biden-to-make-more-kid-cages-legacy-media-calls-it-overflow-facilit.html

Beijing Biden to Make More Kid Cages: Legacy Media Calls it “Overflow Facilities”.

‘Kid cages’ were bad when the bad orange man supposedly was responsible for them.
It’s different when president GsGa does it though. Cue no crying liberals.
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February 4, 2021 12:08pm
curry4me

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/odd-joe-bidens-signature-latest-official-documents-raising-eyebrows/
Are they All Joes Signatures?

It’s common knowledge for anyone paying attention this past year that Joe Biden is suffering from mid-to-late stage dementia.
This explains why Democrats hid Joe in the basement all year while they schemed on ways to manufacture votes. It is also common knowledge that Jill Biden, his wife of over 40 years of marriage, is his constant companion and personal aide to help Joe out during times of confusion. This is typical with those spouses who are married to dementia patients.
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February 4, 2021 12:08pm
- Batman
  
  It is not common knowledge except for fevered partisans disconnected from reality.
  
  Compare and contrast with the very real concerns about Diane Feinstein, for instance.
  
  The Biden smear is just that, a smear.
  
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  February 4, 2021 4:49pm
oldfella

This is interesting as Cindy’s bunch have promised similar legislation, but have been slow to follow through.
It seems that the ruling socialist party in Spain has proposed a law banning churches and psychologists from engaging in “conversion therapy” with LGBT persons, even when these persons request it.
It’s the last bit that caught my eye: “even when these persons request it.”
It’s apparently quite common for young people to have periods of confusion over their sexuality, which the grow out of. But under this draconian plan, if they felt they needed professional help, something that was vital for their mental wellbeing, they couldn’t get it.
Is this really the path we want to go down?
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/02/03/spanish-law-ban-conversion-therapy-homosexuals/
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February 4, 2021 12:27pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I’ve actually provided ‘conversion therapy’ in the past, and don’t even have a degree in Psychology 😛
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:18pm
  - Yabster
    
    converted a bucket load huh Maggie
    
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    February 4, 2021 3:01pm
oldfella

Maggie Pie, and fans, you might get a chuckle out of this.

During a zombie apocalypse:
Normal Zombies: BRAAINNNNSSS!!
Vegetarian Zombies: GRAAINNNNSSS!!
Body Builder Zombies: GAAINNNNSSS!!
Plumber Zombies: DRAAINNNNSSS!!
Conductor Zombies: TRAAINNNNSSS!!
Weatherman Zombies: RAAINNNNSSS!!
Gamer Zombies: GAMMMMESSS!!
Depressed Zombies: PAINNNNSSS!!
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February 4, 2021 1:01pm
rouppe

I expected more from Nicola Young.

“We had two options: to provide the underwrite – which will only be called on if the Government declares a pandemic lockdown…

I bet they’ll be on the hook if the event loses money too…
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February 4, 2021 1:04pm
lazza

Aljazeera reports.

The OPEC oil cabal is falling apart. The UAE is now wobbling.

Spare a thought for Algeria and Nigeria, two “Shite” impoverished oil-producing economies who will likely be squeezed out of the oil markets.

If you think lil ol Enzed is going to do it hard-the carbon and dairy herd reductions, electric vehicles targets and so on then :

Newsflash: The friggin “global economy” is likely getting it worse OK?
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February 4, 2021 1:06pm
lazza

Quote above:”

“Maggie, or pinch his partner I suspect”.

Or, as Owen Marshall put it so eloquently on his RNZ episode this am

“Having separated my scrotum from my thighs …”

Familiar is it … blokes?
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February 4, 2021 1:12pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/02/03/2020-presidential-election-lawsuits-the-facts-n320913

Status of US election fraud cases to date:
a) Eight cases have been withdrawn or consolidated. (These are not wins or losses to either side.)
b) Twenty-five cases have been stopped from proceeding (dismissed) due to legal technicalities (standing, timing, jurisdiction, etc.). These have nothing to do with the merits of the case and should also not be considered wins or losses for either side. That more than a third of the lawsuits were not allowed to proceed to an evidentiary hearing is more of an indictment that many judges appear to be afraid of opening this pandora’s box. Considering the importance of election integrity to our country, it’s a shame for them to hide behind subjective legal technicalities. How is that in the interest of the citizens in our country?

In any case, this leaves us with forty-two (42) lawsuits relevant to the 2020 Presidential election where a judge has ruled (or hopefully will rule) on the merits. The results so far are:
c) Nineteen cases are completed (adjudicated). These are where the court heard arguments, considered evidence (where applicable), and then formally ruled on statutory issues (e.g. the legality of a state’s election process), etc. Of these:
i) Eleven cases were WON by Trump, et al, and
ii) Eight cases were lost by Trump, et al.
d) Twenty-three cases are still active and have not yet been decided — so the ultimate winner and loser of these cases has not been determined.

So, Trump (et al) have WON the majority of 2020 election cases fully heard, and then decided on the merits! Is that what the mainstream media is reporting?
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February 4, 2021 1:33pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  LOL. And from those eleven cases, how many millions of fraudulent votes have been confirmed?
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:52pm
  - Fletch
    
    Here’ a list of possible illegal votes.
    
    https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/063/700/606/original/616fb18fb41cb6b0.jpeg
    
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    February 4, 2021 3:37pm
- RichardX
  
  UrbanNeocolonialist
  https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/02/03/2020-presidential-election-lawsuits-the-facts-n320913
  
  Status of US election fraud cases to date:
  
  This has to be some of the most pathetic rationalisation I have ever seen. Talking about grasping at straws…
  
  a) Eight cases have been withdrawn or consolidated. (These are not wins or losses to either side.)
  
  It depends on the reason the case was withdrawn.
  If, as happened in more than one case, a case is withdrawn as the arguement had already been rejected elsewhere, it would have to count as a loss.
  
  b) Twenty-five cases have been stopped from proceeding (dismissed) due to legal technicalities (standing, timing, jurisdiction, etc.). These have nothing to do with the merits of the case and should also not be considered wins or losses for either side.
  
  It has everything to do with the merits of the case. If a lawyer is dumb to present a case with the correct standing, timing or jurisdiction, of course that should be counted as a loss.
  The lawyers bringing the case failed.
  How else can you describe this failure but an embarrassing loss?
  
  That more than a third of the lawsuits were not allowed to proceed to an evidentiary hearing is more of an indictment that many judges appear to be afraid of opening this pandora’s box. Considering the importance of election integrity to our country, it’s a shame for them to hide behind subjective legal technicalities. How is that in the interest of the citizens in our country?
  
  Pure speculation without any supporting evidence but it is already apparent that what you consider evidence is not the same as what the US legal system considers evidence.
  A legal technicality is a legal technicality and there is an appeals process available. If appeals have been pursued and rejected, it is no longer a “subjective” legal technicality. It is a loss for the lawyers who bought the case
  
  In any case, this leaves us with forty-two (42) lawsuits relevant to the 2020 Presidential election where a judge has ruled (or hopefully will rule) on the merits. The results so far are:
  c) Nineteen cases are completed (adjudicated). These are where the court heard arguments, considered evidence (where applicable), and then formally ruled on statutory issues (e.g. the legality of a state’s election process), etc. Of these:
  i) Eleven cases were WON by Trump, et al, and
  ii) Eight cases were lost by Trump, et al.
  d) Twenty-three cases are still active and have not yet been decided — so the ultimate winner and loser of these cases has not been determined.
  
  So, Trump (et al) have WON the majority of 2020 election cases fully heard, and then decided on the merits! Is that what the mainstream media is reporting?
  
  Bullshit summary of flawed reasoning.
  
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  February 4, 2021 3:12pm
  - RichardX
    
    Poor editing
    If a lawyer is *too* dumb to present a case with the correct standing, timing or jurisdiction, of course that should be counted as a loss.
    
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    February 4, 2021 3:40pm
  - Batman
    
    Well said.
    
    It smacks of delusional desperation.
    
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    February 4, 2021 4:53pm
- curry4me
  
  UrbanNeocolonialist: That’s good news. I hope he wins the rest.
  
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  February 4, 2021 6:19pm
Maggie Pie

FOX investigative journalist ‘Lara Logan’ tells Prime News host Trey Goudy, the Chinese are mixing Fentanyl with Baby Formula and smuggling it through Mexico’s drug cartels for distribution into the US.

Just saying.
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February 4, 2021 1:33pm
- MCos
  
  We bought some fish & chips from ‘The Chinese’ yesterday.
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:15pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    ‘The Chinese’ made the clothes I am wearing today.
    
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    February 4, 2021 2:53pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    FOOLISH!! We go out of our way to get them from ‘The Greeks’.
    
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    February 4, 2021 3:00pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Have you heard the term ‘Trojan Horse”?
      
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      February 4, 2021 5:45pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Yep. Pretty sure it’s referred to in the Kama Sutra.
        
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        February 4, 2021 7:06pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie…. adding to their opoid problem.
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:56pm
- Batman
  
  For one thing, Trey Goudy can hardly be called a news host.
  
  Though they’ve achieved their goal of getting you to spread this around.
  
  So well done? I guess you’re a sheeple now.
  
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  February 4, 2021 4:54pm
  - Inandout
    
    Bat, so you condiser Maddcow a news host? She wouldn’t know true news if she fell over it. Luckily the unMSM outlets are gaining popularity and seem a lot happier than the average CNN talking head.
    
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    February 4, 2021 5:11pm
    - Batman
      
      Yeah, I mean, we know you watch the delusional Newsmax and Co, so there’s no point in having a conversation with you about the topic. You wouldn’t recognise a true fact if it fell on your head, thanks to years spent inside the fever bubble.
      
      The fact you resort to sexist name calling shows the weakness of your argument.
      
      It’s an unfortunate fact for you that conservative media is now being thrashed in the ratings every night by MSNBC and CNN etc.
      
      You’re in the bottom 20% of viewers so are very much a niche edge case.
      
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      February 4, 2021 5:34pm
      - Inandout
        
        Bat, you obviously haven’t watched Newsmax or Blaze, some indepth discussions, especially the latter. How you can digest that absolute garbage on CNN etc, the constant hysterical lies, is beyond me. The MSM treat Joe as some sort of hero when in fact he is a liar with 47 years in politics behind him, and zero to show for it.
        
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        February 4, 2021 7:06pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    FYI Batz – it’s ‘GOWDY’
    
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    February 4, 2021 7:08pm
lifesgood

I see we are still importing covid cases on a daily basis. This has gone beyond ludicrous. What happened to the much spouted about pre flight testing?
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February 4, 2021 2:03pm
- MCos
  
  Catch it between the offshore test and arrival here.
  That’s what happened with the Ukrainian fishers and the Pakistani cricketers who were all tested pre departure and then flew on normal commercial airlines.
  The West Indian cricket team flew by charter plane and were fine.
  FYI
  Tourists, what few there are, to Thailand must use charter planes.
  
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  February 4, 2021 2:23pm
New Zealander

Significantly cheapens the astronomical aspect of the holiday when we can act like the appearance of Pleiades in our skies always happens on a Friday or Monday.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-jacinda-ardern-announces-first-matariki-public-holiday-for-2022/UGJIQ7EP2GEW3PX7XOVACYVS3M/

Also, hardly unique to New Zealand. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makahiki
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February 4, 2021 2:07pm
Chuck Bird

I hope we can quickly get enough signatures to help National to make up its mind and oppose the racist Maori wards for local bodies.

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/maori_wards?utm_campaign=210204_maori_wards_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
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February 4, 2021 2:10pm
rockape

Great to see another public holiday . Thank you all for paying my nurse wife $112 per hour and giving her a day in lieu as well on 24 June. I wonder how many hip operations it will cost to pay that. Sarc
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February 4, 2021 2:19pm
Maggie Pie

Retard phones ZBTalkback…opens with, “Thanks for taking my call”

Honestly, eh.
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February 4, 2021 2:47pm
BeaB

Everyone who complains about the Americanisation of our language, culture and fashions will be up in arms at the Americanisation of our public holidays too!
Perhaps we should just copy what Hawaii does each year when the Pleiades rise in the heavens.
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February 4, 2021 2:51pm
rockape

Jacinda says “Ardern said it was more than just a public holiday – it was an opportunity for people to learn about history, and Māori tradition.

Ardern said changes such as that and teaching New Zealand history in schools were foundational changes, and would be the ones she was most proud of at the end of her time in her job.”
Nah most Kiwis will just take the day off, follow their hobbies and maybe get pissed. Why does she think it will be any different. Do Kiwis think about the meaning of Easter or Christmas, really?
Gee and that’s what she will be most proud of? Not saving us from Covid, not solving child poverty, not solving the housing crisis. is it not just more meaningless words for the audience currently in front of her.
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February 4, 2021 2:58pm
info@cruzpro.com

Kiwis are being asked to help the tourism industry and do their hollidaying in New Zealand.

Had to laugh at an ad in the local paper for a New Zealand travel deal. A five day, four night “walk” in the Fiordland National Park with “Selected Meals”, now only $3279 per person, a 20% discount off the normal price.
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February 4, 2021 3:20pm
lazza

Quote:

“Possibly a little bit disappointing”.

Bill Lawreys “little bit” of a under whelming criticism of his sainted fellow ocker cricket baggie green cheats upon witnessing the Chapple underarm outrage.

Curiously silent though on the ongoing in progress
convict induced sandpaper and overactive sledging shit storms.

They cant help themselves.

Bill was always not just one-eyed he was congenitally blind to any hints of “naughty” directed at his sainted superhumans.

Me I’m over Aussies in general … ehh bro.
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February 4, 2021 3:30pm
Maggie Pie

Missing Trumpy yet?

State Governor, the fab ‘Nikki Hayley’, was just telling Tucker that Sleepy Joe’s been president for 2 weeks now, and still hasn’t called America’s strongest ally – ISRAEL!!

Yet he has already spoken with both Iran and Chynaa – on more than one occasion.

Go figure…..
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February 4, 2021 3:42pm
- IC5000
  
  Now Trending
  
  Good news for everyone who believes in law and order. Canada has just designated the Proud Boys a terrorist organisation on par with ISIS.
  
  https://www.npr.org/2021/02/03/963682181/canada-lists-proud-boys-as-a-terrorist-group-alongside-isis-and-al-qaida
  
  Hopefully the US Justice Department follows and the indictments are cranked out to deal out federal prison sentences to this scum.
  
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  February 4, 2021 4:41pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Do you really think there’s equivalence between ISIS and the Proud Boys?
    
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    February 4, 2021 7:59pm
  - Fletch
    
    And yet, I’m at a loss to point to anything the so-called Proud Boys have actually done wrong, unlike Antifa and BLM.
    
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    February 4, 2021 8:40pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, have you thought perhaps the Israelis wish to converse with a lucid human being?
  
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  February 4, 2021 5:15pm
  - Batman
    
    Well they’ll probably be looking forward to a productive relationship with the new administration rather than the weirdo delusional narcissist who was in the office previously.
    
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    February 4, 2021 5:29pm
    - Tall Man
      
      ardern was in Israel? When?
      
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      February 4, 2021 6:39pm
    - Inandout
      
      Oh Bat, stop that Twitter gutter language. Joe is a shell supported by Jill and Karmala.
      
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      February 4, 2021 7:12pm
- doggone7
  
  Israel is a country of under 9 million. I suppose the USA can sell more stuff to China 1,366 million and Iran 77 million.
  
  Strongest ally? What does that mean? Surely it would be reasonable for the new US government to try to change the traditional ways of seeing and doing things.
  
  Not so long back a new president coming in and doing things according to his own perspective and chucking the conventional rulebook out the window was a cause for celebration.
  
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  February 4, 2021 5:33pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ally not market silly!
    
    Sometimes people are so far left they fall off the page and reveal they are a product of “tomorrow’s schools”.
    
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    February 4, 2021 6:44pm
lazza

Geez a Matariki holiday

Wot about?

… minimum wage UP

… new dopey tenancy rules .

.. Nat Debt now up to $100 BN

… $$150M dropped on Ngapuhi

… $40 M handout on Ihumatao

… Covid wages subsidies audit (though not fraud) free …

… Overpayments of C-19 subsidies and tertiary education fees not being chased

… tertiary education free fees

… cost benefit proof of concept justification MIA for numerous new policy Labour half arsed initiatives

… add your own war story

What price our disgusting bottom feeding productivity rate? … a race to the bottom.

We are in the midst folks of a huge rampant shitestorm.

Who voted for this bunch of incompetents?

Not I … said the little red hen ….
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February 4, 2021 3:49pm
Waipuk

What does the country of their origin have to do with anything.
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February 4, 2021 3:57pm
mandk

Hayley for POTUS 2024!
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February 4, 2021 4:17pm
Maggie Pie

Do you know anybody that’s been…. “using water wisely?”

Nice work Auckland. LOL!!!
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February 4, 2021 5:28pm
- graham
  
  Watercare make my blood boil.
  
  They should have been telling people to conserve water in January 2020. Remember all the news stories in January and February about Aucklanders and Northlanders on tank water running out? The six to eight week waits for a tanker … IF you could get a delivery at all? Families with babies running out of water? People unable to take showers?
  
  In January, some parts of the upper North Island recorded less than 10 per cent of typical rainfall, and northern Auckland, Great Barrier Island and southern Northland began experiencing a “severe meteorological drought”.
  
  And Watercare said nothing.
  
  Aucklanders carried on as normal – on January 31, they used 538 million litres of water, breaking the previous record of 535 million litres. On February 4, that record was smashed again when residents used 561 million litres, much more than the average use of 440 million litres per day in 2019. Auckland’s water storage levels at the Hūnua and Waitākere Ranges was sitting at 72 per cent full – less than the average of 83 per cent typical for the time of year.
  
  And Watercare said it wasn’t hugely concerned by the falling stocks, but asked people to cut their shower times to four minutes. Wow.
  
  By February 15, Auckland had broken another record after experiencing 40 consecutive days with no rain, succeeding the record of 39 days set in 2013.
  
  And Watercare, moving with the speed and urgency of an arthritic tortoise, FINALLY started imposing restrictions in May – a good five to six months after any home-owner on tank water could have told them the blindingly obvious.
  
  Oh, but they did take one action before that – they sent notices out to people like me ON TANK WATER telling them how to conserve water (as if we didn’t know) and snippily reminding us that they (Watercare) weren’t responsible for supplying our water. Gee, thanks for pointing that out.
  
  Watercare are useless.
  
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