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Kiwi_in_Paris

Seems the wheels are starting to fall off the scamdemic narrative. Didn’t Cindy want to roll out the vaccine to Maori first?

https://rumble.com/vd2y2j-banned-from-youtube-dr.-simone-gold-shares-the-truth-about-the-covid-19-vac.html
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February 3, 2021 8:02am
- Doc Holliday
  
  There is no hope for you.
  
  If Simone Gold shoved a red hot poker up your arse you’d grovel at her feet.
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:59am
  - Don Beckett
    
    What a stupid and disrespectful comment. On report.
    
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    February 3, 2021 5:00pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      Go ahead, buddy.
      
      Nothing I see that you’ve written suggests an IQ above 85.
      
      You couldn’t tell the difference between a Trump and a dog turd on the footpath.
      
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      February 3, 2021 5:48pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        In addition to the earlier fixations, you also have a fixation on dog turds and footpaths. Would you like to share any other fixations?
        
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        February 3, 2021 6:56pm
      - Red Fred
        
        That is because there is very little difference
        
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        February 4, 2021 4:24pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    You can tell a lot about people by the language they use. Clearly you have a fixation on red hot pokers and anuses. Or are you still in denial?
    
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    February 3, 2021 6:52pm
Happychappy

After warnings from Treasury earlier last year the Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr and Finance Minister Grant Robertson are back in talks about buying debt.
A Treasury paper released to Stuffunder the Official Information Act shows Grant Robertson asked advise on whether the bank should be allowed to buy up billions of Government debt on the primary market, Treasury thought it was a bad idea warning the move would risk long time damage to the reputation of New Zealands public finance’s, creatingthe ” Perception that New Zealand’s strong institutional frameworks have undermined ” and this could make it difficult for the Government to borrow in the future. Robertson took Treasurery’s advice and the Reserve Bank continued buying debt on the secondary market.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300219961/dont-let-the-reserve-bank-just-give-the-government-money-treasury-warns
Now it has been mentioned that Adrian Orr the Reserve Bank Governor and Grant Robertson the Minister of Finance are back at the table talking the same thing even after being warned that it could cause high damage to New Zealands financial system.
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February 3, 2021 8:03am
- Frank the tank
  
  Beetroot and Grunter are getting nervous as they know the game is nearly up with regards to their impregnating of the NZ landed property markets.
  
  Without immigration/foreign capital (both unlikely is any substantial form into the medium term) at some stage demand drops until prices come down. The bottom 30% of NZ can’t/won’t afford house price inflation and the retirees re-diversion of funds from passive investment to landed assets is finite. If prices start to come down then votes start to get lost as shock turns to dismay, dismay turns to anger.
  
  Unless they find another way to ‘pump’ the economy the risk of Japanese style stagflation increases rapidly.
  
  Imagine spending 100 billion and coming away with nothing of benefit. Grunter’s legacy – LOL
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:20am
  - Paulus
    
    But Unemployment is down considerably so everything is alright.
    Go Print !
    
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    February 3, 2021 1:25pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Unemployment is up. More shop windows with “To Lease” signs. More companies putting workers on to 4 days paid employment. Many employers in hospitality accommodation have let go cleaning staff and hired hands, so the unemployed must be somewhere. So unless WINZ is feeding the unemployed to the sharks off the coast, something doesn’t add up. Unless of course the parameters around what constitutes unemployed have been changed, as they do.
      
      A more meaningful stat would be number of full time 40 hour a week equivalent jobs there are. Which is a better indicator of meaningful work.
      
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      February 3, 2021 7:03pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Never has so much been spent for so little to show.
    
    This will be the real legacy.
    
    R Carr also talking about wiping debt to pay for reports findings.
    
    It runs deep.
    
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    February 3, 2021 4:24pm
- Simon
  
  Yep its still money printing. The Reserve Bank with a click of a mouse created the funds to purchase the bonds off investors & banks who own the bonds issued by the gumbermint.
  
  The banks in this case change one asset class for another. Bonds into printed cash. The banks lend their new cash out.
  
  If interest rates fall i.e prices fall there must be an increase in supply of something. In this case an increase in “cash” via the RBNZ.
  
  What Treasury and RBNZ dont want is the clown show with direct access to the printing. There is still some sort of independence.
  
  NZ possible future is Argentina. Say Phil Twyford printing cash to pay for a train to the moon. Thats what the RBNZ are really worried about.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:31am
  - chukar
    
    Inflation is here.
    Too many NZD chasing too few goods
    Retailers inventories are down resulting in increased demand.
    Examples,
    Some whiteware retailers are adopting a pay now ,collect later policy.
    One common model of car up almost20% since before Xmas.
    Printing money is the last thing needed.
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:08am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Shhh (little) Aotearoans are too busy buying everything that moves. The perfect post covid19 consumers that are adverse to saving.
      
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      February 3, 2021 12:58pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Inflation is here alright; asset price inflation.
      Exhibit A: the housing market
      Exhibit B: the share market
      
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      February 3, 2021 7:33pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Argentina is too kind – Zimbabwe (complete with reverse racist policies) is more accurate.
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:32am
    - igm
      
      I prefer to remember the country as Rhodesia when it was thriving.
      The same goes for New Zealand . . . thriving until some goobers started referring to it as aoteaoroa.
      
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      February 3, 2021 4:54pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Marama’s heard the economy has levers – and now she wants her turn to play with them
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:41am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Leavers. She’s misunderstood. Again.
    
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    February 3, 2021 7:35pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  In my opinion, Adrian Orr is not the best Reserve Bank governor we have ever had.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:46am
mandk

I heard on Newstalk ZB this morning that the Brits are aiming to vaccinate the entire adult population by May.

Meanwhile in New Zealand …
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February 3, 2021 8:06am
- Albert_Ross
  
  … we have a handful of cases duly contained, haven’t seen a death in months, and are able to mingle and travel freely.
  
  Yes, it was idiotic of the Government to say we’d be at the front of the queue. We’re plainly not, and we were plainly never going to be.
  
  But why would we need or expect to be ahead of countries where the virus is right now running rampant in the population and killing daily?
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:17am
  - Im Right
    
    I agree albert…i liken it to sitting in an A&E dept at a hospital with a possible sprained ankle or wrist then complaining when someone is wheeled in bleeding profusely or suspected heat attack has been given priority over you and you complain that you were here first.
    
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    February 3, 2021 8:36am
    - Hacked-Off
      
      Totally agree ‘Im Right’ with your analogy, never the less Cindy said ‘We are at the front of the que’. Either she is lying – which is becoming an increasingly commonplace with her, or its something else but she or chippy have not deigned to inform us. As they have not come back with an explanation why NZ is not at the front of the que then her damning words remain – and so do the expectations of those gullible enough to vote for her. Increasingly it appears that people are tiring of this Government pretty quickly.
      
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      February 3, 2021 10:11am
      - Pharmachick
        
        Even if we were at the front of the queue, the “contracts” (<– LOL, irony) are not worth the paper they're redacted on. Everything has an "out" clause. And now that vaccine nationalism is the new black, they're even less useful. Canada is building a vaccine plant in Montreal QC, they aim to start producing in Fall… I'm getting mighty anxious about Canadians receiving any more shipments in the short-medium term, and most Provinces are running out.
        
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        February 3, 2021 3:28pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Well that’s what you get Albert when the Majority of the population takes Jacinda Arderns word that we will beone of the first to get the vaccines and especially when she knew that September 2021 was the earliest that they could be delivered.
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:00am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Yes, and that is what we should be focusing on. Not the gap between us and other countries – the Government can easily bat that accusation away by saying there are good reasons for that, which there are – but the idiocy of what the Government said, which they are wholly responsible for.
      
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      February 3, 2021 9:29am
  - lifesgood
    
    Albert Ross, we are not able to travel freely, btw. There are other countries in as good a position as us and they are vaccinating. Stop making excuses for this governments incompetence.
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:26am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    But why would we need or expect to be ahead of countries where the virus is right now running rampant in the population and killing daily?
    Because vaccination is a preventive measure, NOT a cure, you use it BEFORE things are “rampant”.
    Europe has no choice, we DO.
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:29am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      Correct. All we need is a slip in MIQ to find we’re suddenly in the same boat as Europe, with no vaccine, and at the back of the queue.
      
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      February 3, 2021 12:52pm
  - rouppe
    
    You’re thinking is too short term.
    
    It’s not about a healthy population. It’s about other countries who will stay to trade and travel between themselves under cover of “being vaccinated” while we are down here by ourselves getting poorer because of : bad covid planning ; cutting off gas and oil ; banning cars…
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:45am
  - IC5000
    
    > But why would we need or expect to be ahead of countries where the virus is right now running rampant in the population and killing daily?
    
    Clearly you have not been reading posts from the more educated here. Those were fake covid deaths and the illness itself is nothing worse than the common cold cold so no need for a vaccine at all really. It is all a conspiracy to maintain control over the population because… just because.
    
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    February 3, 2021 11:49am
    - giltee
      
      By all means vaccinate the old and those with compromised health systems and let it run its course with the healthy. If the politicians did this Covid would quickly die away.
      
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      February 3, 2021 1:20pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Our entire pandemic response was predicated on getting a vaccine as soon as possible.
    Many of the countries that are vaccinating are nearing herd immunity already while we (apparently) have almost zero immunity.
    That makes us one of the most at risk countries in the world, entirely reliant on luck to not get absolutely wrecked.
    Looking at it that way, we probably should be near the front of the queue, not at the back.
    That and it’s what our politicians were promising us when they were asking us to make sacrifices.
    
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    February 3, 2021 2:27pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Albert, Its doing the right thing and vaccinate your frontline workers.
    Nothing more Nothing less.
    Otherwise its a recipe for disater and permanent lockdoowns are always on the horizon.
    The clowns did’nt secure the vaccines even though they told every one they had.
    Unbelieveable
    
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    February 3, 2021 4:29pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  10 million so far and at a rate of almost half a million a day
  
  If NZ was really “front of the queue,” “gold standard” and leading the world we’d be at 750,000 and vaccinating 35,000 a day
  
  Remind me…
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:21am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Hard and early Davey, hard and early. The Ministry of Truth says so, and to deny their truth means you’re a heretic and must report for re-programming.
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:54am
    - alloytoo
      
      Early and Hard, I think they confused their Covid action with what they’re doing to Tax Payers.
      
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      February 3, 2021 2:26pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  But mandk – Chris Hipkins has said we are at the front of the queue..
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:57am
  - rangitoto
    
    Hipkins is still trying to find where the queue is.
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:08am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Hipkins couldn’t find his own ass, with 2 hands and a map.
      
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      February 3, 2021 9:24am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I think it’s the far one….
      
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      February 3, 2021 9:55am
  - pdm
    
    True Inv – problem is we are at the front of the far queue.
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:51am
  - Phronesis
    
    Maybe it was the royal “we”, in other words he meant “I”. So he said, I am at the front of the queue when the vaccine eventually arrives.
    
    There certainly hasn’t been any effort put into vaccinating the frontline MIQ staff anyway.
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:52am
  - tf78
    
    Queue for WHAT – he may be talking about the lunch queue.
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:44am
- Inandout
  
  Our princess has organised our vaccines by royal decree, she is so wonderful.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:38am
  - Paulus
    
    You probably, like over 50% of the electors, voted for her – and by that the next 2 years 11 months, so suck it up.
    
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    February 3, 2021 1:29pm
- pdm
  
  `Meanwhile in New Zealand …’
  
  Chippy expects the vaccine to be available before the next election in 2023 and getting the populice vaccinated will be done in the first 100 days of the new Labour government taking office.
  
  Identified Labour voters will have first dibs.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:58am
- Martin Williams
  
  The Brits need to. 32000 died from Covid in January alone.
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:03pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Around 70,000 die in the UK every January
    
    Context…
    
    Big number. Scare Kiwi
    
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    February 3, 2021 1:09pm
    - Ehlana
      
      https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
      
      And for a look at the human cost: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54938735
      
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      February 3, 2021 5:05pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        UK excess winter deaths 1950/51: 106,000
        
        UK excess winter deaths 2020/21: Yet to be determined but peaking at about 12,000 pw so c150,000 at most and the numbers are falling
        
        UK population 1950: 50m
        Uk population 2020: 70m
        
        Context…
        
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        February 3, 2021 7:20pm
I remember when

Is there a point were diversity and inclusion training start producing negative results.
Could it result in a sort of parallel thinking universe were no-one wants to be seen to be different.
Will scientific advancement, leadership skills and open-mindedness suffer.
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February 3, 2021 8:07am
- Adroit
  
  Correct. The false conflation of diversity of ideas (a good thing) with diversity of melatonin/sex as being equal is only going to continue, and get worse.
  
  One needs to only look at the racist treatment against white and asian NZ’s at our Medical School to see that is the case. I also know of promotions occurring within NZ Army to be linked to sex, ie, certain commands are now being seen as a woman’s post, as none of the men can get a look in.
  
  Surely, if there is an area where the BEST for the job should be selected, it’s medicine and the military. Unfortunately, ideology trumps all.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:35am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Wait until push comes to shove and the Military are sent to a shooting war and we will see what happens.
    
    When a country goes to war after a long period of peace you will find that the Commanders at the top are seen to be not fit for purpose and are replaces with people who were “passed over” because they didnt fit in.
    
    A case in point Capt FJ Walker RN the great anti submarine ace of WW 2
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:30am
- Phronesis
  
  It’s not just the “training”. Research grants and promotions are now based on diversity and inclusion, not ability or likelihood of success.
  
  Western civilisation has peaked, we are on the downslope now.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:55am
- alloytoo
  
  “Diversity” is merely an excuse to discriminate against someone on the basis of immutable characteristics rather than skill, talent or character.
  
  Tom Sowell calls it a fraud.
  
  https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2020/08/the-diversity-fraud/
  
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  February 3, 2021 2:35pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Not just “someone”. Whites, specifically.
    
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    February 3, 2021 6:33pm
    - alloytoo
      
      It’s used against any successful group.
      
      Success is the font of freedom and the antithesis of socialism.
      
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      February 3, 2021 7:41pm
    - IC5000
      
      What is a white? Given that there are no pure blooded Maori are they all considered white? Or do you go by the American one drop rule when if you had even remote non- European ancestors you were not white?
      
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      February 3, 2021 8:17pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

It’s okay when the left do it…….
According to the Batman, house speaker Nancy Pelosi spent more than a million dollars buying TESLA shares, just a few days before ‘Sleepy Joe’ signed an Executive Order saying all future government cars are to be electric.

What do they call that again?

https://twitter.com/TheBatman1961/status/1356248577505337352
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February 3, 2021 8:14am
- Frank the tank
  
  It’s Ok if the left do it.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:34am
  - Biscuit
    
    Frank, Im no leftie but I am raking it in at present.
    
    I shoiuld donate my ill-gotten (?) gains to Charity or something?
    
    Life goes on!
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:04am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      A fair enough description?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkrb4h4weW4
      
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      February 3, 2021 9:36am
    - Frank the tank
      
      There is a difference between insider trading (what allegedly Pelosi is doing) and making money.
      
      In regards to “raking it in” what goes around, comes around therefore it you are in an industry making money out of the impregnated property market I would start thinking about putting some behind the pillow case.
      
      Otherwise you make your own luck so enjoy it while you can because at some stage into the medium term a government will ask you to begin paying for their fuck ups.
      
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      February 3, 2021 9:52am
    - pdm
      
      My name is charity – where do I go Biscuit to avail myself of your generosity.
      
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      February 3, 2021 10:00am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Whoosh.
      
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      February 3, 2021 10:49am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Was it shares or leveraged options, I think the latter. That would put her in the position of placing bets on share price movements with borrowed money.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:39am
- Biscuit
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Your point, Maggie?
  
  It was long a plank of the Biden campaign to ‘electrify’ America’s automobiles.
  
  Nancy – and, particularly, her hubby – are super-wealthy already and you’d expect them to ‘diversify’, no?
  
  They’d not have done so – move into electric – whilst The Donald was in power, right.
  
  And did you not wonder what the aforesaid Donald is doing with the nest egg his nutter supporters amassed for him? I bet it’s not sitting in the bank at, what?, a 0.1% interest rate…
  
  I see, too, that the Dow has risen over 1000 points since the Election, heh.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:03am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WHOOSH! 😀
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:42am
    - Biscuit
      
      ?
      
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      February 3, 2021 9:43am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “…the Dow has risen over 1000 points since the Election, heh”
    
    It’s hard to pinpoint exactly what you mean by “the Election” since it took quite a while to establish who actually won, so let’s look at what’s happened since Biden was inaugurated, since that’s when he was actually able to sign executive orders.
    
    The Dow has fallen 500 points since Biden took charge, and the USD has fallen more than 6 cents against the NZD, and against most other currencies by a similar or greater amount.
    
    On January 21 the Dow closed at 31,188 and yesterday it closed at 30,688. Making sh*t up adds nothing to your argument, in fact it blows it out of the water.
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:06am
    - Biscuit
      
      ‘Making sh*t up’?
      
      This is the Dow Chart, Loddenthinks:
      
      https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/stock-market
      
      A minor 500 point blip is forgiveable – hell, remember Twitter’s ‘disastrous’ fall? Almost all nearly recovered – becusae I work long-term rtaher than day-by-day.
      
      500 points on a 30690 level equates to 1.629%…
      
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      February 3, 2021 10:21am
    - tf78
      
      The Dow was also around 17,500 when Trump took over but everyone forgets about that little gem.
      
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      February 3, 2021 10:49am
  - pdm
    
    I gave you an uptick Biscuit – I know how fragile you are and I hate to see people picking on you.
    
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    February 3, 2021 12:40pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Ha, I can cope, pdm.
      
      Unlike others, I’m not in here for the Uptick count … and I see that so far as Trump is concerned I’m never gonna get on the credit side of the ledger there!
      
      My point is that the Dow has gone up inexorably as a moving average no matter who the President is…
      
      Off to (attempt to) play golf!
      
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      February 3, 2021 1:28pm
I remember when

‘RNZ: Retirement villages and residents clash over contracts, Government to consider review.’
No doubt there are areas that require a rethink and possibly action.
Once again the Government has managed find an area were it can look for a fault in others.
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February 3, 2021 8:15am
- Clyde
  
  I think this was the result of a Consumer NZ look at the retirement village industry and some of the “license to occupy” contracts. It does seem bizarre that a person occupying a unit which they may have paid $1m for doesn’t in any sense “own” it, but still has to pay for plumbing or electrical faults, has to pay for a complete refurbishment on leaving (often to a subsidiary company of the owner of the village) and of course, doesn’t get any share of the capital value increase. Some of these retirement villages are really creaming it at the expense of the elderly and vulnerable. Fair return on investment is OK, but it doesn’t take too much delving into company returns to see that some people have over-inflated ideas of fair.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:41am
- Ruahine
  
  A new class enemy to distract the stupid. No says that you have to go to a retirement village. It is all in the fine print.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s an area which urgently needs attention. My in-laws looked at a property last year, and were quickly dissuaded. Homes built by the villages are depreciated around 30% over two years, and when you go to sell them, the village gets the capital gain.
  
  Say for argument’s sake a house in one of the villages sells at $1.5m (and they do). In two years, the purchaser owns a $1m home, and if they subsequently sell it for $1.75m, the village owner pockets a cool $750k. Little wonder shares in companies like Bupa and Ryman are going gangbusters!
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:27am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    A serious rort.
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:22am
  - backster
    
    Were these conditions concealed from you, your in laws, and lawyers prior to purchase?
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:50am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      They weren’t concealed as such, but it took a few probing questions to get the answers. And there was no purchase; having worked their backsides off as farmers for fifty years, the in-laws didn’t feel especially motivated to give a rest home company a major slice of their asset base.
      
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      February 3, 2021 1:38pm
    - IC5000
      
      I can’t believe these communists want the govnt to intervene in the workings of the free market. Nobody is being forced to move into a retirement village.
      
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      February 3, 2021 8:21pm
  - tf78
    
    Tony, does the ‘bright line’ test not count for these rest home rip offs as they should be subject to capital gains you would think.
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:52am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      The capital gains are taxable to the rest home proprietor, but are not taxed until actual sale. The increases in value are recorded in their current Profit and Loss Account, and there is a huge liability for deferred tax, being tax not payable until a sale actually eventuates. Because the tax is not paid as the value increases the rest home company’s dividends have no imputation credits.
      Kev O’Brien calls it a rort. My investment adviser tells me he cannot get me shares in the Mafia, but he can get me shares in the rest home industry, and they have done very well.
      I hope I have adequately explained the accounting jiggery pokery.
      
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      February 3, 2021 1:59pm
  - Flossie
    
    I’ve looked into the possibility of buying into a retirement village. One I checked out recently is (as many are) still in the development process with maybe one third of the projected homes built.
    I was quite interested to learn that the weekly fee is to cover all kinds of yet-to-be-built facilities, such as a pool, movie theatre, games room, bowling green.
    I do wonder what those currently living in the village are getting NOW for that weekly fee? Lawns mowed and some garden maintenance. So either they are being ripped off now, or the fees are going to increase exponentially once all the new facilities eventuate. When that is apparently depends upon sales of homes so that funds are available!
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:57am
  - Southtop2
    
    There are two areas which favour Bupa, Ryman and others here:
    1. We have a inflating property market – and they get the capital gain
    2. We have an aging population therefore consistent increase in demand.
    
    However …..without the capital gain the government and therefore the taxpayer would have some major problems. Currently what is being paid to the care givers by the government would not see a realistic return on investment. Therefore you would see closures and/or the government having to provide more care … unionized expensive nightmare scenario for NZ.
    Now even NFProfit operations are seriously investigating apartments just to stay on an even financial keel.
    
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    February 3, 2021 11:03am
- artemisia
  
  Not everyone cares about the money or someone else’s view of ‘fair’. And that applies especially if there are no heirs, or only heirs they don’t want to leave the hard earned to. It’s the heirs potentially missing out, and a fair few of those would say – enjoy your money darlings.
  
  Often hear of residents (and their families) saying best thing they ever did.
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:05am
- BassilFawlty
  
  What seems to be forgotten here is that people enter into these contracts willingly.
  
  Simply, Market meets demand.
  
  There is absolutely no reason for the government to get involved.
  
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  February 3, 2021 11:39am
  - artemisia
    
    And are required to take independent advice.
    
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    February 3, 2021 3:13pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Of course, no provider is going to offer an alternative model, when there’s that much cream to be had.
    
    Which limits consumer choice, wouldn’t you say?
    
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    February 3, 2021 7:48pm
Tomtoddy

If we look at the official government stats for the USA we find that:
Total deaths in 2019 – 2,855,000 before covid
Total deaths in 2020 – 2,801,000 during covid

Go figure.
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February 3, 2021 8:16am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Same in Spain, 2020 dropped by 17,000 from 2019, and 26,000 from 2018, official statistics all cause mortality. Remember, pandemics save lives!
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:25am
- Tall Man
  
  “Our ruling: False
  The claim in the post is rated FALSE, based on our research. Deaths in the United States in 2020 already have surpassed 2019.
  
  While the post has the correct number of deaths for 2019, it incorrectly concludes that only 2,835,533 U.S. deaths occurred in 2020. The total number of deaths in 2020 will not be known for months, but preliminary data shows the year has already surpassed 3.2 million, marking one of the deadliest years in U.S. history, largely influenced by the coronavirus pandemic.”
  
  “According to the CDC, there were more than 81,000 overdose deaths in the 12 months ending in May of 2020,”
  
  Now I don’t buy into covid porn panic but there is no doubt that deaths have increased in the US and the finger points clearly to covid but that could be due to many factors influencing that number and mild influenza numbers in 2018/19 may have made quite an impact.
  
  The fact that covid has caused many deaths in the US does not mean that the same result would occur here and our lack of “farmhouse” care facilities is one major difference.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:31am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Agree that the mass elderly care facilities are the big one. And then Cuomo told the care facilities they had to accept covid positive patients.
    
    Meanwhile in NZ, the most scientific test is our quarantine where everyone is tested and the population data set therefore excludes people in hospital or hospice and only measures those well enough to travel on a long haul flight. We’ve had 590 positive covid cases through NZ quarantine. 520 recovered. 70 currently with Covid. ZERO Dead and ZERO of the 70 cases are in hospital.
    https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:47am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      So – MIQ inhabitants are not representative of the general population.
      
      What’s your point again?
      
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      February 3, 2021 7:51pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  Oooooh!!! the fact checkers are after me. The New York Times says the additional deaths are 446,000. The Conversation says, nah its only 279,000 more than average. Statnews say 300,000.
  
  But then I read that hopsitals get an extra $6K per Covid death so that explains a lot of things.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not after you my friend but there’s enough crap out there from the covid porn merchants without resorting to the same tactic to neutralise them.
    
    Simple facts say that the numbers of vulnerable rise during mild infection times and drop, through death, during more severe times.
    
    Covid is showing itself to be an influenza epidemic that will have to be lived with rather than eliminated. Hopefully our “lords and masters” come to realise this before they destroy our country and possibly our world but currently I can see they are addicted to the “power” they are able to wield and until we have enough sane people in our populations they will continue to do so.
    
    There have been numerous anti lock down protests throughout the world and hopefully they will grow.
    
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    February 3, 2021 8:48am
  - MCos
    
    Attempts like yours to play down the number of deaths in America started last year, months before the year ended.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chart-us-death-figures-2020-idUSKBN2872MV
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:09am
  - Sacha
    
    Tom – I’m pretty sure I read just last week that hospitals were getting $US14k per COVID death –
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    More than that. US$14K non covid, US$39K with covid. Hospitals ripping off the taxpayer
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That $39K is if they die while on a ventilator.
      My mistake
      
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      February 3, 2021 11:14am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Now, here’s a funny thing. According to the USA Department of Health and Human Services the official figure for unknown UCOD’s is 34.7%.
  https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr69/nvsr69-14-508.pdf
  
  In other words no one really knows what a third of Americans died of in 2018. I guess it doesnt matter when you are dead, what you died of – dead is dead. But it is a bit rich to them claim they know how many died of Covid.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:45am
- tf78
  
  Tomtoddy – I heard an interview by a chemist of 43 years who said there was no Tami Flu vaccines sold in his area during 2020 and according to his rep, he hadn’t sold any either.
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:54am
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, and factor in Pfizer share increase circa 2019 vs 2020 and 2021. A great lurk this Covid-19. Who’s the winner then?
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:14pm
rouppe

This is utter madness.

The “OK” symbol has been used for centuries. Tarrant didn’t use the OK hand sign, which is holding your hand up at around head/eye level, fingers pointing up with the palm generally facing towards the person you’re signalling.

Tarrant’s hand signal was hand down, palm facing towards himself. A look at the source of this meme shows it is a Reddit scam, that none of the other uses of it are hand held up, fingers pointing to the air, palm facing out.

Yet the whole world has swooned into a faint over nothing. The world is full of idiots
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February 3, 2021 8:18am
- H. Upmann
  
  Rouppe – I am with you on your last sentence, but the link sent me to Stuff; you have ruined my day.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:49am
  - rouppe
    
    Sorry, mate. Should have put up NSFNP.
    
    Not safe for normal people
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:48am
- Fletch
  
  Funny how Biden’s new press secretary Jen Psaki flashed the symbol the other day. Is she a white supremacist as well?
  
  https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/063/637/656/original/e92eec1ec93719b6.jpeg
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:55am
  - rouppe
    
    That’s the “ok” sign. What’s wrong with that?
    
    Have a look at the sign Tarrant used. Completely different.
    
    An “inverted ok sign” is not an ok sign. To push that is desperation trolling.
    
    Like I said.
    
    Right at the beginning
    
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    February 3, 2021 1:39pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Does it really matter what sign Tarrant used, should we change the habits of generations because some idiot used a symbol which is part of the global vocab?
      
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      February 3, 2021 2:42pm
- Sacha
  
  The purpose of having a vaccination is to stimulate the body’s immune system in order to create a antibodies/resistance to the infection so that one doesn’t get clinical symptoms and become ill.
  There is no proof (that I know of) that it stops you from carrying the infection, or coughing it out onto someone within range. If the recipient has been vaccinated they (hopefully) will have an active immunity to the virus.
  Some of us seem to have a ‘natural’ immunity in that we never get the ‘flu, seldom get a sniffle, or cough. That is not to say that we don’t carry the infection, just that we don’t get sick.
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:20am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Typhoid Mary!
    
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    February 3, 2021 7:53pm
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Also used in like forever in diving. Spoke to my local dive master this morning about dropping gear in for a service this morning, told him it was no longer acceptable, and we needed to get with the times.
  
  His response: Woke socialists don’t dive 😀
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:39am
  - rouppe
    
    I’d like to take a few woke socialists diving. Maybe we could tell them it’s a field trip to get a close up look at an important climatic warming component
    
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    February 3, 2021 1:41pm
- Ehlana
  
  For those who are Stuff-fasting: A bunch of people decided to see if they could in fact “fool all of the people some of the time” by going on-line to claim the age-old OK symbol was a secret white power gesture. They succeeded all too well; the actual white power fools now really use it.
  And any normal person, using the symbol in any other way, gets tarred with the racist brush. The Anti-Defamation League seem to understand this, but not “Massey University distinguished professor Paul Spoonley” who says that some students caught in that trap “should not have been pulling hand signs they did not understand the meaning of. “They might feel sorry but the liability is theirs.””
  No, professor, no-one can be expected to know every possible interpretation someone else could put on their words or actions. They are not liable for other people’s misinterpretations. What a reasonable person would do in these circumstances is ask them what their intention was and then judge by that. And if concerned, advise them of the other possible interpretations.
  
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  February 3, 2021 11:55am
  - rouppe
    
    Maybe we should go online and push the meme that speaking is a white supremacist trait.
    
    Maybe then all the woke would STFU
    
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    February 3, 2021 1:43pm
  - giltee
    
    And gay still means happy and I love a good rainbow. The fact that there’s those who take positive words or symbols to normalise their own agendas pisses me off but it is what it is. Ok? ?
    
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    February 3, 2021 2:25pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    From wikipedia:
    While widespread use of the OK gesture has granted it an international connotation of assent, it also bears negative, vulgar, or offensive meanings in many regions of the world.[28] In contrast to Japan’s use of the expression to represent coins and wealth, the gesture’s “O” shape stands for “zero” meaning “worth nothing” in France and Tunisia.[23][29] In many Mediterranean countries such as Turkey, Tunisia, and Greece, as well as in the Middle East, parts of Germany, and many parts of Latin America, the gesture may be interpreted as a vulgar expression resembling a human anus, referring to sex, either as an insult (“You are an asshole”), or a homophobic reaction to a symbol of homosexuality and the act of sodomy.[11] In Brazil it can be synonymous with giving someone the middle finger.[30][31]
    
    In Kuwait and other similar parts of the Arab world, the shaking of this sign represents the evil eye and is used as a curse or a threat, sometimes in conjunction with verbal condemnation.[32][33][34]
    
    In some regions of the world, both the positive “OK” and the negative forms are practiced, which can lead to confusion over which meaning is intended.[11] In regions and cultures where the gesture has a historically negative connotation, its use as an “OK sign” is often the result of its appearance in media and tends to be used more by younger people.[35] In France, where widespread use has seeped in through American culture, the gesture’s positive “OK” sentiment became popular in the north of the country while its negative connotation as “worthless” remained in the south. To avoid confusion, French communicators have become accustomed to using additional context clues, such as posture or facial expression, to clarify meaning.[4] In other circumstances, the gesture’s varied meanings are less easily reconciled, as was the case in 1950s Brazil when United States Vice President Richard Nixon emerged from his airplane displaying the sign with each hand.[23] While Nixon’s intent was to communicate goodwill to the people of São Paulo, the crowd received it with offense.[36]
    
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    February 3, 2021 2:43pm
- RiP NZ
  
  And the criticism of trash wannabe gansters when they flash their ridiculous gang signs, the moronic imitation of west coast, southside etc associations. Gestures that actually represent violence and social disorder.
  Na, that’s ‘culture’
  
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  February 3, 2021 1:45pm
Lipo

A bit of a news story about Arvida refusing to employ anyone that has not had a vaccine jab.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/retirement-village-operator-arvida-group-adopts-strict-new-covid-jab-hiring-policy/ATKEJO5FL7PFYMQGLRL753A4PA/
What is the science?
Can any one confirm that having a vaccine jab means you cannot infect anyone else.
My understanding is that if you are vaccinated you can still contract the disease but it has very little effect on you. You can still go into a rest home and pass it on to Grandma
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February 3, 2021 8:19am
- sooty
  
  But there is no vaccine yet in nz!
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:38am
- giltee
  
  It’ll be interesting to see how that stacks up in court. Legally they can’t do that to existing employees. Better to offer free vaccination to all rest home occupants. Problem solved, that is if these experimental vaccines work. I think if my time was pretty well up I’d say no to the vaccine.
  
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  February 3, 2021 2:32pm
Jack5

Pilots at a Christchurch flight school are pilloried on Stuff for making a well-known hand signal for “Okay” that has been adopted by racists overseas. Apparently it was used in court by the mosque massacre terrorist, Brenton Harrison Tarrant.

The newspaper doesn’t show us what the hand signal is, but the first link below does.

Hand signal censorship began when the Nazis adopted the Roman arm salute, but how far can this go? What next? The second link below gives a swathe of offensive hand signals.

The Stuff article refers to Massey’s best known multiculturism warrior as “distinguished professor Paul Spoonley”. Under a stern photograph Spoonley warnesthat the student pilots should not have been “pulling “hand signs they did not understand the meaning of, adding: “They might feel sorry but the liability is theirs.”

He also , gives Christchurch a smack:

Christchurch had been a centre for right-wing extremist groups since the 1970s and it might be that such symbols were more widely used there.

My money’s on Spoonley for Speech-Control Czar under coming Ardern-Little free-speech controls.

If you want to insult someone with your hands in future, just learn sign language. If the Woke police that, maybe learn Russian sign language as well.

The hand sign the pilots used:

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate

Beware of all these:

https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=ancient offensive hand signals&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjuxt2e9cvuAhW5zjgGHSqsD68QjJkEegQIBRAB&biw=1920&bih=979
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February 3, 2021 8:21am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Puketifinau what stupidity is coming next–the “offending” gesture is ancient. As for Google being the arbiter of linguistic fashion they can drop into the bit bucket.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:46am
  - RichardX
    
    The swastika is ancient too. Does that make it less offensive when used by Nazis?
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:12am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      The fingers are pointing down, as opposed to pointing up.
      Also, you implied context, what context was there that these people were being racist?
      Also, “use” is important. 99.9999% of use of the ok symbol is non-supremecist so anyone saying it is is clearly an idiot.
      
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      February 3, 2021 1:25pm
      - Jack5
        
        This is largely from Quora, where it was posted by an Indian journalist, Kalikacharan Chaudhary:
        
        卐 The right facing Swastika is a Hindu auspicious symbol representing the sun god. Without whom nothing on this earth would live. The ancients already knew this long time back before the West found it out.
        
        卍 But the other one is called a Suvastika that represents the dark night and in Tantra Vidya is a symbol of Mother Kali, the Great Mother, Hindu goddess of time, of change.
        
        Hitler appropriated the swastika as a Nazi symbol from 1920.
        
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        February 3, 2021 3:08pm
    - rouppe
      
      So all deaf people’s who can sign are white supremacists?
      
      Idiot
      
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      February 3, 2021 1:47pm
      - RichardX
        
        I commented on the relevancy of “ancient”
        Nothing more, nothing less
        
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        February 3, 2021 4:09pm
  - oldfella
    
    Pukitfinau. Kev, remember that well from Billy T days. Sadly, he wouldn’t be able to make that kind of un-PC comedy series today.
    I keep waiting for some “wokey’ (probably white) snowflake to accidentally see a rerun and get so ‘triggered’ he/she/it/they/other gets it pulled off the air.
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:08am
- Jack5
  
  Whoops, stuffed up that second link in my post above, sorry!
  
  The internet has many pages that list offensive hand signs. In fact, there’s no end to them. To appease the Woke maybe we should all wear mittens.
  
  For example, this one from North America:
  
  https://www.adl.org/hate-symbols?cat_id%5B153%5D=153
  
  And these:
  
  https://www.fastcompany.com/3029617/infographic-how-to-avoid-accidentally-making-rude-hand-gestures-abroad
  
  https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/18-gestures-that-can-cause-offense-around-the-114150011797.html
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:51am
- JerJer
  
  Yeah, the symbol for OK is not offensive. It it has been used by a bad person, that does not make it offensive when 99.9% of other people use it for it’s real purpose.
  
  I was speaking to someone the other day about how a particular school is organized, they have all the children regardless of age educated in the same room. It failed badly, as it obviously would. I made the comment that that was a ‘retarded plan’. There were some wide eyes and I got told that I can’t use the word ‘retarded’ any more, it’s a hate word. Obviously, I ignored that.
  
  Retarded means ‘very foolish or stupid.’ and that is what the people organise that school are, and that is what people that think the ok hand gesture is offensive are. They are retarded.
  
  I will use it frequently from now on, and teach my kids.
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:28am
  - alloytoo
    
    We no longer use the term “Retarded” in respect of people who suffer a clinical impediment to proper brain function. That would be cruel and unfair.
    
    Your usage appears to be perfectly A-OK. (assume appropriate hand gesture)
    
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    February 3, 2021 2:49pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Thats the thing with semantics, People are hell bent on Their interpretation of the word and meaning.
    
    As far as Retarded goes, ” You can retard a clock or advance a clock ” same with timeing a motor for example.
    
    So in your wording i fully agree that it was a backwards plan ( assuming) your meaning was correct.
    Not a retarded kid as they “assumed” thats what you meant
    here in lays the problem.
    
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    February 3, 2021 8:21pm
- rouppe
  
  They did understand the meaning of it. It means “ok”.
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:50am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  The offensive hand signal you linked to is used by scuba divers worldwide to both ask and to reply that you are OK. Divers of all colours use the same non-racist hand signal.
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:21pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    The Ok hand signal is still an emoji on the iphone.
    
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    February 3, 2021 1:49pm
    - Jack5
      
      And elsewhere ??
      
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      February 3, 2021 3:16pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        So by using the symbol we are reclaiming it from woke idiocy!
        
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        February 3, 2021 8:43pm
- rockape
  
  Are Thai dancers racist? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MLY4KwjGyh8
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:54pm
- Master Mariner
  
  I’d be concerned if he was’nt showing any interest in landing the plane during lessons.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:59pm
Benedict Yu

These rugby players should face assault causing GBH charges.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300219757/rugby-player-left-with-severe-injuries-after-attack-by-marist-st-pats-players
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February 3, 2021 8:22am
- Adroit
  
  They should be banned for 5 years, if not life. What a disgusting act. I’m all for the bringing back the biff, but this is purely criminal.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:43am
Maggie Pie

And I see Palmy is back in the news……

‘Couple accused of filming themselves putting a spoon up a friends behind, are seeking a discharge.
The duo’s Lawyer told the Judge his clients believed this was perfectly acceptable behaviour in Palmerston North’.

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1356404995730534401
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February 3, 2021 8:28am
- Tall Man
  
  “‘Couple accused of filming themselves putting a spoon up a friends behind, are seeking a discharge.”
  
  Not sure of you spotted the irony in that headline Maggy.
  
  However, it’s time to ignore the shenanigans that the locals indulge in to be honest.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:42am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Remind me who is the MP for the fair city of Palmerston North?
    
    Judging by his behaviour, I think Bellamy’s should count their cutlery.
    
    Judging by his silence, I think a travelling secreted knife may be impinging on his vocal chords, a blessing for all perhaps . . .
    
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    February 3, 2021 11:28am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “Couple accused of filming themselves putting a spoon up a friends behind, are seeking a discharge.”
  or
  Couple accused of filming themselves putting a spoon up a friends behind, were seeking a discharge.
  It’s called…shit
  University study, taxpayer funded?
  Isn’t the English language wonderful…change one word and you go from informative to entertainment.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:57am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, obviously purges don’t work anymore. A spoonfull of sugar makes the medicine go down….
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:42am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I’ve always heard that there is not much in the way of night life or entertainment in Palmerston North so I guess they have to make their own entertainment down there! They also have the worst most woke university in NZ down there.
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:00am
- IC5000
  
  Is this trending as well? Thanks for reminding me why social media is worthless.
  
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  February 3, 2021 11:57am
- Phronesis
  
  Now that sounds like something that leading Palmerston North Academic Professor Spoonley should be asked to comment on. Seems more likely to be his area of expertise than hand gestures seem to be.
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:36pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Who doesn’t enjoy spooning?
  
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  February 3, 2021 2:47pm
I remember when

Is ‘microregression’ the return of the earth to a state that existed at some time in the past.
No set time as each time the stated goal is achieved it will be adjusted to an even earlier time.
A land of vegetarians, vegans, cyclists, walkers and maybe horseriders (if CO2 allows).
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February 3, 2021 8:28am
- Tall Man
  
  Cave dwellers smacking their women on the head when they need a root?
  
  I despair for the future when I listen to these idiots.
  
  Time to ignore them completely.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:40am
igm

This “Stuff” scum seem to stoop lower by the publication.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/124118497/christchurch-trainee-pilots-display-ok-hand-gesture-mosque-gunman-showed-in-court
Just absolute stinking scum.
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February 3, 2021 8:37am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Isn’t “hating” the sign allegedly (if laughably) attributed to “hate groups,” as well as any ideology, also hate? Seems very circular. “My hate is more worthy than yours” is evidently the deciding standard.
  
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  February 3, 2021 11:51am
Tall Man

Sadly…

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/queen-leads-flood-of-tributes-to-captain-sir-tom-moore-after-he-dies-with-covid-19/ar-BB1djZgN

Note the headline though yet the story says he was suffering from pneumonia but tested positive for covid.
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February 3, 2021 8:38am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  They probably gave him a Covid jab to help him along.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:54am
  - Ehlana
    
    They couldn’t vaccinate him against Covid as he was on other, incompatible, medication for medical conditions, from memory including cancer.
    
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    February 3, 2021 12:08pm
- mandk
  
  It will be counted as a COVID death, even though Captain Sir Tom died with it, not because of it.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:32am
- Doc Holliday
  
  You do know Covid-19 can lead to pneumonia – a type essentially untreatable in older people. That’s why he wasn’t on a ventilator.
  
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  February 3, 2021 11:14am
- giltee
  
  I read: He’d been suffering with pneumonia for some time then tested positive for Covid. So was it simply he was sick and over 100, pneumonia or Covid. We all know what they’ll put down as the cause.
  
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  February 3, 2021 2:50pm
  - Doc Holliday
    
    Yes, another kiwibog know-all.
    
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    February 3, 2021 3:13pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Another person with anal and red hot poker fixations.
      
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      February 3, 2021 7:10pm
Rusty

Andrew Bolt (Bolt Report) gave some rather grim news on the covid pandemic last night.

He stated their probably never will be a vaccine that will eradicate covid completely.

The vaccines developed right now will only give temporal relief for people and even then it might not work for everybody.

Who knows he might be correct.
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February 3, 2021 8:39am
- Sacha
  
  And we don’t know what the long term effects might be – it might be a decade before they are detected.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:17am
- Inandout
  
  Rusty, the winter flu was the same which is why the jab changed every year.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:44am
- Flossie
  
  Andrew Bolt is an opinion writer/broadcaster, whose opinion on anything really is no more valuable than my next-door-neighbour’s-son-in-law’s boss’s mechanic…. Certainly he’s not an epidemiologist or medical practitioner of any type.
  
  It’s hardly “news” that it’s highly unlikely there will ever be a covid eliminating vaccine – this has been evident for some time.
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:47am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “Certainly he’s not an epidemiologist or medical practitioner of any type.”
    
    And he doesn’t have to be if he can read, and do basic research. And as you said, “It’s hardly “news” that it’s highly unlikely there will ever be a covid eliminating vaccine.” So here you are slagging off Andrew Bolt for having an opinion, when you have just given us your opinion which matches his. 🙂
    
    And you don’t have to be a mechanic, like your next-door-neighbour’s-son-in-law’s boss’s mechanic, to know that if your car is billowing smoke out of the exhaust pipe and steam from under the hood, that it will not make Dunedin from Nelson.
    
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    February 3, 2021 7:17pm
- virtualmark
  
  Many of the vaccine manufacturers expect that (a) Covid will progressively weaken as the virus mutates but (b) there will be an ongoing need for revised vaccines, perhaps annually.
  
  CSL in Australia, who we get our annual flu vaccines from, expect to bundle Covid vaccine into that annual flu vaccine. It may be that instead of the annual flu vaccine being something that only the elderly or ill take it becomes something that most of us take each year.
  
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  February 3, 2021 11:04am
- tf78
  
  Rusty, he also mentioned that he thought treatment with Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin seemed to be the best answer because they actually work.
  
  Coincidentally in Taipei, on the 23rd December 2020 and ‘unexplained’ explosion blew up the world’s second largest factory which manufactures the raw material for HCQ which will reduce the world’s supply of the drug. How convenient.
  
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  February 3, 2021 11:17am
- Master Mariner
  
  Its starting to look like hes right.
  
  Language is changing, The fear factor is decreasing.
  
  Im picking the same,
  
  As always ” keep calm and carry on.”
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:04pm
sooty

The media are all cock a hoop because cindy is going to approve the CCP Vaccine today. Ho hum, so what’s new you idiot’s, of course it gets approved at some stage. Medications always have and always will! The fact that we have none and will not in the foreseeable future, is not the question!
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February 3, 2021 8:43am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What’s Cindy got to do with the approval? Does she now run the Medicines Act too?
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:25am
  - sooty
    
    Come on now do you really, really think that they would be working against her wishes?
    
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    February 3, 2021 12:24pm
MCos

I see Israel Falou is hoping to sign up with the Dragons.
In exchange for a pile of money he is prepared to waive what he would no doubt consider his freedom of speech.
I would have thought a man of principle would have only agreed to play if he could proclaim the word of the Lord!

Never mind. Dragon fans will be happy. They can watch him and not listen to his bullshit.
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February 3, 2021 8:49am
- Tall Man
  
  Maybe he’ll find a blog ……
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:21am
- Frank the tank
  
  Cmon you know as much as I do this ain’t happening.
  
  All of your Aussie mates will be bombarding social media trying to cancel ‘Adolf’ Falou. This is turn leads to chicken shit sponsors threatening to pull out if he plays which in turn leads to no contract.
  
  I find it ironic that wife bashers, serial alcoholics/drug takers/dog rooters etc get a second chance but a holy roller is excommunicated.
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:38am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  How is this any concern of yours? Complain when he speaks freely and still complain when you think he won’t. Got it.
  
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  February 3, 2021 11:54am
  - MCos
    
    “How is this any concern of yours?”
    
    Inasmuch as it doesn’t effect me directly – not much, but then the same question could be put to just about everyone who comments on this forum.
    It’s the irony of his stance I find interesting.
    He has dedicated his life to his Saviour, but if the money’s right instead of continuing to condemn the gays, fornicators, wife bashers, alcoholics, druggies, dog rooters he’ll bite his tongue, play footy with them & take the money.
    
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    February 3, 2021 3:39pm
- IC5000
  
  > I would have thought a man of principle would have only agreed to play if he could proclaim the word of the Lord!
  
  When i read about this the first thing that leaped into my mind was that Janis Joplin classic
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qev-i9-VKlY
  
  Just another shitty hate peddler who compromises even his own twisted values for money.
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:05pm
- lilman
  
  LOL, hahhahaahaahahahaha lol,
  So you dont like the fact that a Christian is making money,lol I hope you cant sleep at night worrying about it.
  
  Who cares,if he wants to earn and play footy ,who cares,lol what a joke.
  Why would you even care?
  
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  February 3, 2021 1:02pm
  - IC5000
    
    > So you dont like the fact that a Christian is making money
    
    He’s a fake Christian in the same sense Trump is the most Christian Christian who has ever been Christian.
    
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    February 3, 2021 3:53pm
    - lilman
      
      Hes fake?
      Your using a user name,he is using his name and you call him fake.
      Your the gift that keeps on giving.
      
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      February 3, 2021 4:54pm
      - IC5000
        
        > Your the gift that keeps on giving.
        
        Whoosh
        
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        February 3, 2021 7:14pm
niggly

OK so Judith Collins said on Monday that National “would take some time to go through the huge report and finalise an exact response” (regarding the Climate Change Commission report). Good, but can’t wait!

So here we have a Labour (Greens) government committed to turning this country and its energy sector on its head (and chopping off its limbs in the process so that it bleeds to death). I even heard Stuart Nash on ZB just now saying that “we must take action”!

I’d like to see National and ACT strongly “refute” this nonsense. Why should NZ lead the way destroying its economy, energy reserves, increase costs to the consumer and taxpayer, and put tens of thousands of jobs at risk when it will make “zero” difference to global emissions? How about NZ support instead, encouraging the major world polluters to reduce their emissions (even by converting to more efficient forms of energy)? I mean isn’t that what the original “nuclear moment” in the 1980’s was about – making the world powers at the time change their approach?

(As an aside, as to the Climate Change Commission themselves – close the hippies down (and save the taxpayer $$)! They clearly are pushing the “Green Party manifesto” by wanting to enforce a Pol-Pot like self-destruction of one’s nation! Out they go, they are no longer needed (in their present form), where was the robust debate and nuanced views? Totally missing and LOL at their rubbish claim it will cost cost NZ a “1% GDP reduction – they’re on another planet totally deluded)!

Anyway the main focus for National and ACT is rather simple, counter the nonsense with hard facts such as what other countries are doing eg to utilise gas more (to replace coal in the long term), in fact National/ACT should be promoting the expansion of gas across the entire country (eg to replace old oil and coal heating systems for industry, hospitals and schools etc).

Also wheel out the facts that Labour/Greens want to take away Kiwi’s gas BBQ’s, Labour/Greens want to take away gas cooking (get the food and restaurant people and chefs on board), Labour/Greens want to take away efficient and clean gas energy to heat homes, schools and business and they want to take away Kiwi’s cars for “unaffordable” EV’s (to the masses … oh and what about the battery dilemma? Made from mining and impossible to dispose – a future ticking time bomb …. all brought to Kiwi’s by the Labour and Green Muppets)!

And back to the facts – 100% renewal energy is laudable, granted, but in practice is impossible to achieve (unless 100’s of billions is spent – where’s that coming from)?

Other facts that we need alternative energy sources such as gas (and clean NZ coal, not imported at hundreds of millions of dollars, to fire up the Huntly reserve power station in times of clean energy shortfalls).

Other facts such as expect massive power outages under this Labour/Greens birdbrained scheme if the North Island is reliant on the bulk of its energy from the South Island (what if a major earthquake cuts the South and North Islands off? What if the Cook Straight cable is affected? What if there is a dry year and the SI hydro lakes aren’t full – which happens from time to time)?

And what about other inconvenient truths such as the price of petrol is largely 50% in taxes. How is the Govt going to recupe that? Will it have to increase electricity prices to compensate?

I also suggest in National/ACT talk to the power companies, that alot of the power networks to the home (the local lower voltage KV lines), don’t have the (transformer) capacity to cope with an increase in electricity demand from households (nationwide EV charging, energy, etc).

So what about some other practical solutions? Leave oil and gas alone (let the Market determine their future and transitions), but what about more appealing solutions, such making solar power for homes more affordable, to allow househilds to cut energy costs? Why aren’t the Labour/Green muppets advocating that instead of destroying the economy? Perhaps National/ACT can lead the way (because Labour/Greens are incapable – they ahve blown it)!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300219235/judith-collins-suspects-economic-cost-of-climate-action-would-be-higher-than-commission-estimates
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February 3, 2021 9:02am
- Happychappy
  
  Well niggly i think the latest poll out might worry you as it looks like the fickle voter in NZ think Labour Green Government in NZ is just what NZ ordered looking at the results 58.5% in favour of the two.
  http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8629-nz-national-voting-intention-january-2021-202102010459
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:35am
- Fletch
  
  They said something about public consultation before the report is actioned. Where do the public do that?
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:56am
- Paulus
  
  Labour and the so called media will do as they are told and paid for, so can adopt whatever it wants -she has the numbers so National can forget any comments as they will be ignored anyway.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:58am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Science has won the day. Climate deniers have lost.
  
  The young now have a chance for the increase in mean global surface temperature to be appreciably less than 3K.
  
  But it’s the heat added to the climate system than is the major problem. Worsening droughts, fires, floods, hurricanes…
  
  Science all beyond kiwiboggers evidently.
  
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  February 3, 2021 11:08am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What rubbish is this?
    
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    February 3, 2021 12:56pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      He escaped out of his room and has taken over the nurses station at the psych ward, and using the computer.
      
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      February 3, 2021 7:19pm
  - RiP NZ
    
    But I was informed by ‘ science’. That Britain would be Siberia by now among many other facts beyond refute.
    
    Just how much bullsht …..are thinking folks supposed to stomach
    
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    February 3, 2021 1:53pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      You wouldn’t recognise bullshit it the bull sat on you.
      
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      February 3, 2021 3:15pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Fixations thus far:
        Anuses
        Red Hot Pokers
        Turds and Footpaths
        Bull Excretion
        Some kind of ritual with the Bull on top.
        
        Fixing you is going to keep a whole dept of doctors in work for a long time.
        
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        February 3, 2021 7:20pm
    - Jack5
      
      If Climate Change proves to be correct, Russia will be the big winner. It’s the world’s biggest country, and at present is hampered by freezing winters.
      
      In New Zealand, Southland, Stewart Island, the Auckland Islands would become warm, and a home to softies as well as the present hardies.
      
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      February 3, 2021 3:20pm
  - giltee
    
    Just a few points:
    Where will NZ get all the power for EV’s etc from without fossil fuels?
    Apart from hydro where does all the material come from to produce renewable energy and is the production of renewables carbon friendly?
    What’s the lifespan of renewable power, ie lithium batteries, solar panels, wind turbines and what’s to $ cost/co2 produced disposing of them?
    What raw material do you have to use to produce steel from iron ore and indeed most other metals?
    Where do most plastics come from remembering we’ll be needing most arable land for food production to feed the world’s population?
    So many questions that the greenies have no real viable answer for and don’t want you to ask them
    
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    February 3, 2021 3:17pm
  - alloytoo
    
    It was never going to approach 3′.
    
    However 3′ is well within the range of human adaptability. Generally human kind fair better under warmer temperatures.
    
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    February 3, 2021 7:51pm
- IC5000
  
  > Leave oil and gas alone (let the Market determine their future and transitions)
  
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/bluewaters-coal-fired-power-station-written-off-books/12990532#:~:text=The%20owners%20of%20Australia's%20newest,an%20onslaught%20of%20renewable%20energy.
  
  The market has spoken. Not the news you wanted to hear but thats the problem when you prioritise ideology over reality.
  
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  February 3, 2021 3:58pm
oldfella

Seems Big Tech has been putting in some extra work lately.
If you believe a man can’t literally become a woman, keep one eye on the skies. You never know when Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg will descend from Olympus, banhammer in hand and ready to dole out some social justice.
https://notthebee.com/article/twitter-censors-focus-on-the-family-magazine-for-this-hateful-sentence
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February 3, 2021 9:14am
Jack5

State TV throws its muscle behind restrictions on local body restrictions on democracy.

Its TV1 Seven Sharp pair, addressing the audience, implied, and almost explicitly, that referenda on whether councils can co-opt non-elected members, are racist.

So it’s racist to believe in one person, one vote, and in rule by the elected?

State-owned TVNZ has dropped any pretence of being independent of the Government. It and Radio NZ are like Soviet media.
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February 3, 2021 9:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

So now we learn that 73% of our primary schools do not have an effective science programme.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/435703/science-educators-raise-concerns-while-ministry-of-education-focuses-on-maths-results

Children are arriving at secondary school ill-prepared for the lessons they receive.

As a year 9 (Form 3 ) science teacher, I could quite easily bring pupils up to speed with the science they needed, but I could never compensate for the fact that too many of them arrived at secondary school with a low reading age…. so whilst they could follow
verbal explanations and instructions, they could not
easily comprehend written material in textbooks or exam papers.
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February 3, 2021 9:25am
- oldfella
  
  Maggy, maybe pause the Te Reo sessions for everyone, and spend the time running remedial English and maths courses?
  If they can’t read (English) our kids are destined for the scrapheap.
  If they’ve got good English and maths skills, then offer the Maori language as an optional course.
  Never going to happen, but…
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:50am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I have always said
  “Teach a child a LOVE of reading (anything) and they can teach themselves anything”.
  Teaching becomes guidance and direction, the older the child gets.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:52am
  - Jack5
    
    “Teach a child a LOVE of reading …” and they’ll bog down in Kiwiblog when they’re old.
    
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    February 3, 2021 3:22pm
- Fletch
  
  I remember when I was in form 5, our maths teacher got sick or something and we needed a substitute. So they called on the (somewhat) elderly woman who used to be a maths teacher but was now deputy principal. She hoed through this algebra stuff every day and we probably learned more in that few weeks than we had in the whole year. And it was really fun as well.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:59am
- Gravelroad
  
  Science programmes? What are they for?
  I know parents who have transferred their children from the (large) primary school here because it didn’t have an adequate kappa haka programme.
  It could possibly be argued today that proficiency in kappa haka will get kids more mana and money than any science knowledge – which you can just google on your phone anyway.
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:10am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    kappa haka
    
    That all looks Greek to me.
    
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    February 3, 2021 10:26am
    - Gravelroad
      
      I stand corrected. Quite takes me back to my school days…….
      
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      February 3, 2021 10:56am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Reo, reo, te reo is the future you fing philistines . . .
      
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      February 3, 2021 11:36am
      - Jack5
        
        Nope, Ah Oh Pidgin – English with a little Maori spread thinly on top – is the future.
        
        That’s what State TV, State radio, and the State-subsidised print media are pushing.
        
        Ah Oh (T rower) Pidgin ?️ is gonna fly.
        
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        February 3, 2021 1:50pm
oldfella

Martin Bradbury. Call home. Urgently. You forgot to take your morning meds!!!
What else could have produced this unhinged rant against DPF and this blog?
MB writes, with an outpouring of turgidly purple prose…
”The evil Mr Tummins, the cloven hoofed one, the National Party lickspittle, the Gríma Wormtongue of Welington- David Farrar, has sent out a Taxpayer Union fundraiser email that is so panicked, so race baiting and so hyperbolic in its claim of the end of Western Civilisation if Māori gain representation in local councils, it’s a reminder that Farrar would use any Trumpian tactic of toxic polarisation to push his right wing propaganda.”
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/02/03/media-watch-david-farrar-is-race-baiting-and-getting-shrill/
BTW I commented on this Maori wards issue yesterday in GD and it was considered so offensive and racist I was threatened with a full trial, being drawn and quartered, and what was left of me forever banned from KB.
Thankfully, I was allowed to post an explanation which garnered 30+ upticks and comments from others, all supportive. Thank you.
I woke this morning to find common sense had prevailed, and my log in still worked, so I guess I dodged that bullet.
However, if one day I am suddenly ‘disappeared’… Martin Bradbury will probably know what happened. ?
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February 3, 2021 9:40am
- Nickc2
  
  You too huh? I received the same treatment yesterday. Nea mind, today is another day and we are both obviously still above ground and the world hasn’t ended.
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:37pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  That article reads as a series of buzz-words interspersed within a collection of ad hominems. There is no obvious, logically sound positive argument being made.
  
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  February 3, 2021 1:00pm
- Jack5
  
  Same brain bilge water from Bradbury: “Allowing local Maori to have a say on local issues…
  
  No-one’s stopping Maori from having a local say. Look at Christchurch, where the Maori population is minute, and the city’s libraries, public spaces, and council are being Maorified. This, without reserved, unelected spots on the council.
  
  Maori are doing well in Parliament, with representation above their proportion of the national population.
  
  Tens of thousands of Maori are bright and vigorous enough to get on councils. However, the bright and vigorous aren’t the ones campaigning for reserved, unelected seats. That demand comes from activist airheads with no appeal to eligible voters.
  
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  February 3, 2021 3:32pm
Jack5

More indications that Covid-19 orginates in bats:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3119537/coronavirus-cambodian-scientists-find-close-match-pathogen
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February 3, 2021 9:41am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Isn’t it bats+ ?
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:53pm
  - giltee
    
    Can Batman pass on Covid to us? Better not to downtick or answer his posts just in case. Ok ?
    
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    February 3, 2021 3:30pm
Unity

Does anyone feel like me that it is racist to have Maori Wards? I would have thought that anything based on race was racist. Now here Nanaia Mahuta and her cohorts are saying that we who oppose Maori Wards are the racists!!

I was incensed with Seven Sharp last night when they interviewed former New Plymouth Mayor Judd, gave him full rein but then didn’t interview anyone who is against them, thus giving some form of balance. Our media are seriously letting this country down. We need to stress that we should all be treated the same with nothing given out based on race. Anything else is surely racist.
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February 3, 2021 9:45am
- chukar
  
  Note he is “former mayor “Judd
  That lesson is clear!
  
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  February 3, 2021 2:08pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Just stop thinking of them as media. They aren’t. They have morphed into the ministry of truth, dispensing visions of the world directly from Labour and Greens propaganda corps, filtered through their woke reality distortion field to be hurled at the deplorable masses all on your dime. Funny how their viewership is also collapsing, probably totally unrelated.
  
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  February 3, 2021 2:56pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…

Dramatic footage of ‘SpaceX Starship’ exploding on landing!

Let’s hope everyones OK 🙁

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1356705039771910146
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February 3, 2021 9:51am
- Frank the tank
  
  Well his cars blow up at times so it’s not surprising his spaceships do too.
  
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  February 3, 2021 9:55am
- NoFax
  
  It’s unmanned so no one is injured.
  
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  February 3, 2021 10:01am
- curry4me
  
  Maggie Pie: That’s a pity. I hope there are no more such mishaps.
  
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  February 3, 2021 2:53pm
- Mags
  
  They are still testing the landing capability, seems they have a bit of work to do…
  
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  February 3, 2021 6:43pm
Fletch

Just because the public has put the election fraud aside doesn’t mean that the truth is not being pursued still. A Gab post from Jovan Pulitzer –

NO I am not backing down, it’s just time now to get ready for the battle for #ScanTheBallots It will take all we have to get everything scanned and presented. #WeThePeople #JovanHuttonPulitzer #BigRevealComing
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February 3, 2021 10:16am
oldfella

An interesting report from the US about concussion and footballers.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/02/01/Half-of-college-football-concussions-sustained-in-preseason/1591612192859/
Looking at modern rugby, I wonder how long it will be until they clamp down even further on contact. You’ve got bunch of seriously big men (and women) pounding each other all game while taking frequent head knocks.
And before you say it won’t happen because rugby is a physical game, and always has been, just remember back to when rucks were a key part of the game. And how hard rucking, with sprigs, was the true measure of a rugby forward.
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February 3, 2021 10:32am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Cut down on tackling but bring back rucking?
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:09pm
Jack5

The GameStop play is unwinding. The shares closed today (Wall St Tuesday) 40 per cent down to $US90. It’s fallen 70 per cent since Friday.

Another share being pushed up by small investors, AMC Entertainment, fell 41 per cent to $US7.82 in Tuesday trading, after rising 400 per cent last week.

Another play, silver futures, fell 8 per cent.
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February 3, 2021 10:43am
New Zealander

Discovery Inc recently purchased Mediaworks.

Of course, their management are big Democrats.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/discovery-inc/summary?id=D000033184
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February 3, 2021 10:45am
- Jack5
  
  Discovery Inc shares rose 37 per cent on Wall Street last month.
  
  It has expanded from its main business, cable TV, into a streaming, in a joint deal with Vodafone (the international firm, not Vodafone NZ).
  
  I don’t follow US politics closely, but this link suggests that, if party advertisement placements are a guide, Discovery is watched more by Republicans:
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/10/16/the-cable-networks-that-draw-the-most-partisan-ads-arent-the-ones-you-expect/
  
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  February 3, 2021 2:15pm
Fletch

A guy goes to a hospital in the U.S during the “pandemic” to find it completely empty.
“Where is everybody? Where are all the patients? We’re in the middle of a pandemic”…

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/064/161/964/original/e22c08c1084af3d7.mp4
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February 3, 2021 10:50am
surfing

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/staring-down-the-barrel-of-nzs-doctor-crisis/ar-BB1djTRV?li=BBqdk7Q

Doctor crisis , so why is Otago Medical school failing to accept kids who are scoring 90% averages?

Racial profiling doesn’t help, selecting low scoring students is going to lower standards .

But, if they ‘have’ to select students on the basis of skin colour, why don’t they put them outside the academic quota so as not to affect those with amazing grades?

Especially since we have such a critical shortage.
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February 3, 2021 10:54am
- giltee
  
  Read an article about a kid who’d wanted to be a doctor for most of his life and his grades for medical school were in the high 90’s but couldn’t get into medical school because of racial profiling. Otago I think it was. We’re in sad times when race and gender are more important than talent and we’re being conditioned to accept it.
  
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  February 3, 2021 3:45pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Imagine you are on the admissions committee at med school. You say “bugger all this – we’ll just go on grades.”
    
    Not sure how we will deal with people who already have degrees ….
    
    We might find that a larger chunk of med students are (a) female and (b) Asian ….. Must be the best potential doctors though because they got the best NCEA grades.
    
    Go figure ….
    
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    February 3, 2021 3:59pm
  - lilman
    
    He should sue the University as it is against the bill of rights.
    
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    February 3, 2021 4:57pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      He’ll just go to Med School in Aus or elsewhere, who will welcome him with open arms.
      
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      February 3, 2021 8:11pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Choose your doctor carefully. Oh shit, you can’t do that now, it’s doctor by postcode. Thanks Nania, NOT.
    
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    February 3, 2021 9:27pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Funny that colour on the outside is deemed so important when we’re all the same can colour on the inside.
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:12pm
Fletch

Dems in fear as Trump’s base grows. Huge disconnect between Washington and the rest of the country.

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1355361621393240067
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February 3, 2021 10:55am
Fletch

Texas will end taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood on Feb 3rd.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/02/01/texas-to-fully-end-taxpayer-funding-of-planned-parenthood/
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February 3, 2021 10:58am
burt

So this woman now gets citizenship?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300220492/chilean-woman-admits-importing-meth-mdma-as-part-of-international-drug-syndicate
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February 3, 2021 11:08am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Only if she knows Ian Lees-Galloway or is friends with Ardern.
  
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  February 3, 2021 11:18am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I didn’t see that mentioned in the article.
  
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  February 3, 2021 11:18am
  - burt
    
    Maybe it’s not in the article because the immigration minister hasn’t been told to not read the file and just hit it with the “approved” stamp.
    
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    February 3, 2021 2:31pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Good enough for old mate Karl, sure it’s good enough for her.
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:08pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Couldn’t help seeing in their begging letter that “Because the chaotic start to 2021 has underscored the catastrophic effects of misinformation. Inflammatory rhetoric left unchecked – and amplified across social platforms – has harmed how countries have responded to the pandemic, and has damaged democracy.”
  
  Do these people have any self-awareness? Amplifying rhetoric and misinformation with deleterious effects on democracy and the pandemic response sounds like Stuff’s business model.
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:13pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s needed for extended political control.
    
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    February 3, 2021 12:50pm
Fletch

Has the virus mutated again into a “super power” that can evade the immune system?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-uk-variant-mutates-again-and-may-be-able-to-evade-vaccines-and-immune-system/JW32475LZ7UURGN7TE5DV2GT2Q/
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February 3, 2021 11:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You have $400.Your Daughter texts and says she needs $200, and your Son text and says he needs $150. How much do you have left?
Me: $400 and 2 unread messages
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February 3, 2021 11:19am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  They only need $350? You are one lucky man.
  
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  February 3, 2021 11:25am
- Martin Williams
  
  If you can’t afford to look after them, why did you have kids in the first place?
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Oooohhh lookie, a leftie without a sense of humour. NZ is a breeding ground for them
    
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    February 3, 2021 1:14pm
  - theoldbloke
    
    And if said Kids were 40 years old. Would you still have that opinion.
    
    Making dumb statements based on buggar all facts seems to be rampant online behaviour
    
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    February 3, 2021 1:34pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You too? Humour is lost a long time ago I think
      
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      February 3, 2021 3:06pm
  - fernglas
    
    Steve’s kids are 53 and 51 respectively
    
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    February 3, 2021 2:26pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      46 and 43 thanks. Neither own property
      
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      February 3, 2021 3:08pm
  - giltee
    
    You may have had kids because the taxpayer paid you to have children. I worked to support mine. Money doesn’t come from doing nothing unless you’re sponsored by the taxpayer. My kids had to earn what I gave them and now have careers and their own houses
    
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    February 3, 2021 3:53pm
  - burt
    
    Martin
    
    If you can’t afford to look after them, why did you have kids in the first place?
    
    Maybe he thinks the world owes him a living and that’s why he voted for labour?
    
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    February 3, 2021 4:35pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I’ll put you in the picture. During my kid’s school years I got divorced, so bought them up on my own. I had to refinance the mortgage to keep my house. 2nd mortgage at 22%.Nearly killed me.
      Voted for Labour? I don’t vote for losers
      
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      February 4, 2021 8:37am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Why bother? Cindy will pay.
    
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    February 3, 2021 8:14pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  If you’re on the benefit you can go to the Ministry of Social Development and they’ll give you an emergency grant for $2,500 (the kids need the newest iPhones right?
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:55pm
graham

Re the Stuff story on the trainee pilots at a Christchurch flight school allegedly making the “OK” hand signal and being hauled over the coals because *some* people have decided it’s been adopted by white supremacists.

rouppe has said it best – this is utter madness, and the world is full of idiots. I’m sorely tempted to contact the so-called “Senior business journalist” and ask him, politely, if he actually bothered to think before publishing this farrago of accusations. It’s just stirring up an under-current of ill-defined feelings around so-called “white supremacy” and serves no useful purpose.

And as for Paul Spoonley – I despair. He says “the students should not have be pulling hand signs they did not understand the meaning of.” Mr Spoonley, you’re talking utter bilge-water. The okay hand-sign has been used for centuries to mean … are you okay? I’m okay.

He goes on to say “Most New Zealanders would not be aware that the hand symbol meant white power”. No shit Sherlock, so maybe it’s not as big a problem as you’re trying to make out. Some morons are trying to make this gesture into something it’s not, we as a society have by and large laughed at them and said screw you, thereby effectively reclaiming an innocent symbol and taking the power back from them, and now you come along and put the power back in their hands??

Well screw you Spoonley. You don’t get to decide this on our behalf. The okay hand sign is still perfectly okay as far as I’m concerned, and it’s not up to you to snootily proclaim otherwise. Stop trying to cause trouble where none is intended.
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February 3, 2021 11:20am
- cmm
  
  I wonder if three generations of SCUBA divers are going to find a new OK symbol and retrain?
  
  Thumbs up is severely discouraged because that’s the symbol for “go to the surface”.
  
  Hand symbols mean different things in different context. In West Africa the “thumbs up” is extremely rude and using the conventional hitch-hiking symbol is liable to get you run over.
  
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  February 3, 2021 12:52pm
  - giltee
    
    Agree there??
    
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    February 3, 2021 3:55pm
- cmm
  
  And he can also roll up his accusarions about Christchurch being a hotbed or “white supremacy”.
  
  Sure there are a handful of sad sacks with faded white power tea shirts, but there’s a far bigger issue with Brown Supremacy.
  
  Tarrant wasn’t even from Chch. He’s a friggin Aussie!
  
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  February 3, 2021 1:01pm
  - Jack5
    
    … And Tarrant was living in Dunedin.
    
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    February 3, 2021 1:53pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      And poor old Chch gets a rep that it’ll not live down on a century
      
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      February 3, 2021 8:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Professor Paul Spoonley is a sociologist who has become an expert in white supremacists and hate speech in New Zealand.
  Here be another fucked up shit stirrer
  
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  February 3, 2021 1:21pm
- Miritu
  
  Stuff and NZ media are inciting hostility and division in NZ. It reminds me of the Rwandan genocide when announcers on their radio RTLM encouraged the massacre of Tutsi’s. Its only a difference of degree. Depicted in the movie “Hotel Rwanda”
  
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  February 3, 2021 8:32pm
Bobba Fret

This is an unexpected good statistic for the government? What am I missing? Is there less people “looking” for work now? Not sure we can trust these measurements. Where have all the travel agents / Air NZ people / tourism employees gone?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124119700/shock-fall-in-unemployment-to-49
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February 3, 2021 11:21am
Unity

Moderator, you don’t need to post this but is there something wrong with my post of 9.45am as I see later posts have been approved? My topic is the most serious one our Nation has to face so surely you will allow discussion on it.
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February 3, 2021 11:41am
cmm

Perhaps I am missing something, but why are the cops having to work so hard to find this elusive Mongrel Mob twat?

Surely a cultural organisation would not want a thug in their midst? Surely the other members would have dobbed him in immediately?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/124130239/police-narrowing-down-suspect-list-after-assault-on-promising-rugby-player
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February 3, 2021 12:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He may have one of those shotgun things. Police have the barrel, but the twat has the gun
  
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  February 3, 2021 1:16pm
Fletch

Quite interesting. How the vaccine works and why the second jab can give you worse side effects than the first jab.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/second-vaccine-side-effects/617892
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February 3, 2021 1:17pm
Bobba Fret

All the lefties are going to hate this lady.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/buying/124035697/property-investor-who-bought-five-houses-during-lockdown-plans-to-own-25-by-2025
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February 3, 2021 2:00pm
Maggie Pie

Totally convinced Plunko follows me on KB.

I’ve had ‘MagicTalk’ playing in the background for the last couple of hours, and on 3 separate occasions have heard him say….. “Just saying” 😀
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February 3, 2021 2:12pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Do you find it annoying when others use this affected and pointless padding line that communicates nothing?
  
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  February 3, 2021 3:02pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Nope. Not at all. My GGF fought in WW11 (1939-45 and I am proud to have his medals) so that people today are free to say what they like.
    
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    February 3, 2021 3:29pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Our forefathers fought fascism so that we could make vapid statements on the internet.
      
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      February 3, 2021 4:34pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Why do you always have to be such a horrible nasty little prick, mike?
        
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        February 3, 2021 6:34pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Worked for you, Mike
        
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        February 3, 2021 8:18pm
      - Tall Man
        
        And you do. Well done them.
        
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        February 3, 2021 8:43pm
      - MCos
        
        Wooo hoooo, just say ‘ing
        
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        February 3, 2021 8:53pm
  - The Housekeeper
    
    It is annoying. The fawning apology of “just saying” when really meaning the opposite. Other annoyances are “bigly” ie I am clever enough to know the real word is but I’m too cool to use it. Worst of all though is the schoolteacher’s revenge post when they re-write your post, “there, fixed it for you” when they really mean they fixed it for themselves.
    
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    February 3, 2021 8:36pm
- giltee
  
  Maggie, I first used the word sheeple on here and other sites having never seen it used before so is it a logical assumption that it was copied from me. Lol Just saying ?
  
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  February 3, 2021 4:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YUP. When i first saw your post here gilts, I started using it on Twitter! All my friends in America were fascinated by it 😀
    
    Then I saw my UK bestie ‘KTH’ referring to adherents of Islam by the same name as well. LOL!!
    
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    February 3, 2021 6:50pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  When Sean Plunkett starts saying “My partner this, My partner that” we will know for sure he is following you.
  
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  February 3, 2021 4:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And don’t you worry your ugly head Bobbsy – he already has!
    LOL
    
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    February 3, 2021 6:37pm
Surely Knott

Sky news has reported, “The World Health Organisation team in Wuhan investigating the origins of COVID-19……… have not ruled out the possibility that the virus had escaped from a lab.”??!?!?!

Yeah no kidding. But this has previously been *fact checked* by all the usual media and Tech players as false And anyone who suggested it was from a lab was a conspiracy theorist.

So now we find out that it IS still a scientific possibility that the virus escaped from the local lab? And there is no *fact* as to it’s origin yet.

Politifact says “Since the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic, theories have swirled online about its source. Many early posts claimed the virus originated in a Chinese lab as a bioweapon.

PolitiFact and other fact-checkers debunked those conspiracies. Now, there is new reporting that suggests the virus could have come from a lab in Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak”

So they debunked the “conspiracy” and now find out it is actually a possibility so not debunked at all.. They were the ones presenting information as facts when it was still unproven.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781?fbclid=IwAR3_sleh6uA4HfB7-hjKpeVDyFIHQfZsplkXZzqmSdW6KvHRfimZkFCFg9w

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/apr/17/what-we-know-about-source-coronavirus-pandemic/
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February 3, 2021 2:18pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Actually, the evidence was clear it was not “manmade”. It was a natural virus not manipulated by man.
  
  The director of the lab was considered to be extremely reliable, and she said it had not come from there.
  
  Our problem is there are a thousand viruses waiting to jump to us, and the more we stuff the environment including the atmosphere/climate the sooner it’s going to happen.
  
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  February 3, 2021 3:23pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Just a coincidence that the first victims all worked at the lab.
    
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    February 3, 2021 6:31pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Interesting comments here
  
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/22/prompt-action-in-wuhan-who-involvement-could-have-stopped-covid
  
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  February 3, 2021 6:51pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/QSvP-12LMAE/

Trump 1 Impeachment 0.

Rand Paul has made it impossible to impeach President Trump. He
introduced a resolution noting it is unconstitutional.
Justice Roberts wants nothing to do with it. There
are 45 Republican senators opposed to it. It’s
backfiring on the Dems.
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February 3, 2021 2:23pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Eh? Trump has been impeached – for the second time.
  
  Trump won’t be convicted though, because the Republican senators are cowards and crooks. The system is as corrupt as fuck.
  
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  February 3, 2021 3:18pm
  - mandk
    
    The fact that Trump has been impeached twice is utterly devoid of meaning.
    
    The Dems were planning to impeach him, even before he was inaugurated.
    
    The first time he really had nothing to answer to, so, naturally, he was cleared.
    
    The second time is based on an interpretation of unclear and ambiguous messages he sent. There is huge reasonable doubt as to his intentions, so justice dictates that he will be cleared again.
    
    Now, lets look at the corrupt and hypocritical behaviour of sleezy, creepy Joe.
    
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    February 3, 2021 4:02pm
    - tf78
      
      AOC has now come out and said she knew about the potential Capitol attack six days before it happened. All fingers point to Pelosi now for enabling it.
      
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      February 3, 2021 7:04pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The dubious voting is yet to surface fully. It will ultimately not go away. How could they ever have a repeat? Biden can walk the stage and sign orders but he cannot confer integrity on his administration.
      
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      February 3, 2021 7:50pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    You are right that the American system is corrupt as fuck.
    Law enforcement have explicitly stated that the “attack” was planned in advance – how could Trump incite it with his speech if it had already been planned before his speech?
    His speech did not at any point incite what happened. Instead, the argument is that he riled everyone up to the point they decided to do the “attack”.
    Or that people associated with him incited it?
    The impeachment didn’t undergo any kind of due process, it pretty much went straight to a vote. That is enough to call it corrupt in itself.
    
    The fact is that the Democrats have weaponised the impeachment process to attack someone they hate. There is not even an ounce of evidence to prove their accusation. The burden of proof should be lower than in a court but there should still be a burden of proof.
    
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    February 3, 2021 4:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Impeachment trial so far. Leftists call a nomination ‘impeached’ Only charged so far.
    Just because someone accuses you of say stealing, it does not mean that you have been proven a thief.
    Typical leftist media bullshit.
    
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    February 3, 2021 4:26pm
    - Inandout
      
      Steve, the Dems will open a can of worms if they go ahead with this kangaroo court, because witnesses come from both directions. It could drag on for months. Why are socialists so fucking dumb?
      
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      February 3, 2021 8:43pm
curry4me

https://www.ntd.com/talks-to-revive-italian-government-fail-all-eyes-on-president_561775.html

Talks to Revive Italian Government Fail, All Eyes on President.

ROME—Talks to revive Italy’s ruling coalition have failed, the small party that triggered the government crisis said on Tuesday, deepening the country’s political turmoil in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic. [Hopefully, Salvinis party will win bigly.]
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February 3, 2021 2:24pm
Tauhei Notts

I had a look at a betting site where they are laying the odds on the next British prime minister after Boris.
Amongst the favourites are Bim, Keir, Kemi, Rishi, Sadiq, Tobia and Wera.
Weird, eh?
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February 3, 2021 3:19pm
- mandk
  
  You forgot Hugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grubb.
  
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  February 3, 2021 3:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Good grief,
  4 of those haven’t even got an Oxford degree.
  
  I think you’d better narrow it down to Bim and Rishi… they’ve been to right schools, as well as Oxford.
  
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  February 3, 2021 4:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You forgot the huge comeback from the commie Corban
  
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  February 3, 2021 4:28pm
cmm

Can’t find it now, but yesterday one of the activist profs at one of the universities ran a study to show that EVs were a cheaper option than a second hand car.

The numbers they came out with were not really that much different and so the EV was only slightly better.

But there were huge flaws.
1) The petrol car was paying RUC though petrol tax. The EV was not paying RUC. Once RUC kicks in for EVs the numbers will flip the other way.

2) They way overestimated battery life. They took the maximum mileage lifetime of the battery (320,000km) for the best case and divided that by 12,000 km per year and came up with 27 years. Most batteries will never last that long with 100,000km to 200,000km being more typical.

And, sorry, battery lifetimes do not work that way. Mileage is not the only factor.
Yes, you can wear a battery out in 200,000 km but it will also wear out with time. Even if you only did 5,000 km/year you’d be very lucky if the battery lasted 20 years.

So a more honest number for the battery life would be around 15 years.

So double the cost of the battery per km and add 7.6 c per km for RUC and the numbers are not looking so flash – the EV probably comes out costing a large % more than a normal car.

These “experts” should really be ridiculed. They are exploiting their titles and positions to tell lies.
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February 3, 2021 4:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Was it Prof Sims… Massey Uni?
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/407212/new-zealand-is-one-of-the-best-countries-to-own-an-electric-vehicle-in-professor-says
  
  He’s been a wind-farm advocate for yonks
  
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  February 3, 2021 4:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Where the fuck am I going to put a battery for my 140HP electric outboard on my boat????????
  These clowns are in Narnia
  
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  February 3, 2021 4:31pm
  - sooty
    
    Stash it in the dinghy, outa sight, outa mind!
    
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    February 3, 2021 4:53pm
  - lilman
    
    No the morons are in Wellington ,thats the real problem.
    
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    February 3, 2021 5:00pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Hey!
      
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      February 3, 2021 8:20pm
    - sooty
      
      Forgot to ad, lithium loves water, so keep it dry!
      
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      February 3, 2021 10:00pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Convert to wind, I hear the yanks have a slightly patched AC75 going begging
    
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    February 3, 2021 8:06pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Again measuring this Co2 shit when it enters the country.
  If all things considered and you put Co2 emmisions from its source in manufacture you would find a whole new level of Stupid and EV I’d be guessing would be at least double.
  Sustainability is a huge metric in any company, Why is it not shown on climate paper and measured?
  Like I say, things just miracously appear in shops, supermarkets and car yards.
  
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  February 3, 2021 4:42pm
Master Mariner

Albert, Its doing the right thing and vaccinate your frontline workers.
Nothing more Nothing less.
Otherwise its a recipe for disaster and permanent lockdoowns are always on the horizon.
The clowns did’nt secure the vaccines even though they told every one they had.
Unbelieveable
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February 3, 2021 4:33pm
- tf78
  
  Master, if you have 10 minutes watch this video. It’s done in the UK by an Irish man I think. He gives facts and figures on death rates there between 2015 and 2021.
  
  vimeo.com/505133187 If that doesn’t work, try google :
  
  “The Tale of Two January’s”
  
  (Sorry I tried to load the website but it didn’t seem to work)
  
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  February 3, 2021 7:10pm
Master Mariner

Myanmar Port call cancelled .

Rioters / demonstators on street Yangon.

Flights cancelled, Limited but sporadic internet.

Medevac services resumed ( how long), Choppers.

Ports are limited operations, CIQ, customs, Quarantine and immigration.
Cargo disruptions.
As of today
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February 3, 2021 4:36pm
Cobolt24

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2101/S00090/crown-debt-on-the-cusp-of-100-billion.htm
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February 3, 2021 4:47pm
70andstilllearning

Interesting – so the PM will get jabbed eventually but is stepping aside so those controlling the border get preference. I would have thought as #1 in respect to final border control decisions, that she should/would be #1 in line for cover for all the 5 mills benefit. Oh dear – I forgot – MetSafe have only given PROVISIONAL approval – so she needs a pile of sheeple/guinea pigs to actually test it for her in case the MetSafe decision has to be reversed once more data becomes available.
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February 3, 2021 5:38pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Whats provisional approval?
  Ill take a stab in the dark and say its only for 5000 Vaccines.
  Reason it will probably match the amount they can get.
  There fixed it.//
  Thats my guess.
  
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  February 3, 2021 7:04pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Reading it will comr from Australia,
  Maintainng cold chain status.
  
  Ok, Quick question: Will it maintain -70 from Aus to NZ?
  If not can it be re frozen if temperature rises above -70?
  4-5 days to use once it fall below -70. I can see some issues here?
  Anyone else?
  Also whats the vaccine count coming?
  
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  February 3, 2021 7:14pm
- tf78
  
  I remember she said she was going to “lead the way and be one of the first tested” – not so sure about it now eh!
  
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  February 3, 2021 7:21pm
Cobolt24

A school in San Francisco has renamed its arts department because acronyms are “a symptom of white supremacy”
https://reason.com/2021/02/02/san-francisco-schools-acronyms-white-supremacy/
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February 3, 2021 6:20pm
Chuck Bird

Israel Folau

I heard something interesting on Credlin tonight. While there are those who say Falau should never play professional sport again the NRL has allowed a convicted drug dealer and others convicted of serious violence to play.
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February 3, 2021 9:03pm
lazza

Chuker gets it 100% Wrong!

He/She/Non-Discernible preference said:

“Inflation is here.
Too many NZD chasing too few goods”

The world over, production’s “modern” methods, favouring capital over labour inputs, has lead to an inversion of unreconstructed accepted economic history… where in the past inflation created by too much money in circulation chasing too few goods has now flipped to over supply of goods supported by money printing.

What happens next is too horrible to consider … economists do not have a clue, as if they ever did!

… to the extent that that nebulous coterie of “respected economists”
…are now hiding down their respective rabbit holes
… created by their own particular theory or delusion that
… “used to work”
… though apparently NOT.
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