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A mother says she’s reluctant to give her 11 year old the CV19 vaccine.

Sweetie, the vaccine is only approved for over 16. He’s not getting it anyway.

After all the fear porn, many people are going to feel mighty upset when they realise that the Amazing Vaccine Saviour Program doesn’t cover their precious wee ones.

I wonder if this emotional tide might turn against the Hugger In Chief?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-why-i-wouldnt-give-my-son-the-covid-19-vaccine-just-yet/73U5C52EQGULQL7WAKAHAFFQDQ/
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February 1, 2021 8:01am
- Simon
  
  The fear and confusion is part of the Covid programing. NZ herald runs this sort of shit deliberately. You are running with the narrative linking and engaging with this mindless shit.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:29am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Yep, more mindless distractions. And deliberately so. We should all forget the age limit for the purported vaccine, or bungling MIQ tales, and concentrate on the meta-issue which is the implementation of a plan to change everyone on Earth’s life forever, making our lives unrecognisable compared to even 5 years ago, by fundamentally – and without our informed consent – altering the way we live, work and interact.
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:43am
- Frank the tank
  
  Didn’t realise the wuflu jab was only for adults. If so, why did the horrid post the story and why did the feckless journalist not do their job? Lemmie guess a millennial female journalist?
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Most of us don’t realise the vaccine is not for babies, children, young teens and pregnant women.
    
    We’ve been led to believe it is for all 5 million of us…
    
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/agreement-advanced-purchase-5-million-covid-19-vaccines
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:16am
    - virtualmark
      
      It’s because the Pharma’s start with clinical trials in adults, and then only when those have been successful do they move on to clinical trials in children, pregnant women etc. So there is a delay in getting trial results and drug approvals for those other demographic groups.
      
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      February 1, 2021 1:59pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Incorrect.
        
        Pharma largely ignores Pregnancy and Pediatrics (and a few other categories) for as long as they can unless there is a clear indication of benefit ($ or extended patent protection).
        
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        February 1, 2021 5:18pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      And according to Germany nor is it for over 65s, as the trial cohort was too small in this age group.
      I wouldn’t have thought the cohort for Maori and Pacific Islanders was large either, which will/should be problematic for Medsafe.
      
      Given the efficacy is down to 47% in South Africa, and people are now reportedly catching different versions of Covid a second time it is more:
      
      2021 The Year of the Vaccine that might have been.
      
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      February 1, 2021 4:22pm
- Rich Prick
  
  How is this story “news”? Should I care about the mother’s medical issues? Or her “fears”?
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:06am
  - OTGO
    
    You are correct it is not news. This article was written because someone posted it on social media and a “journalist” has created a story from it.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No author. Herald manufacturing fake news again
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:49am
  - Couchpotatoe
    
    And yet sheeple on this blog space are perpetuating that as an issue when the vaccine applicability is a clinical matter. Ho hum.
    
    Must blame Jacinda.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:32pm
Happychappy

I never thought I would ever agree with anything political this Journalist had to say but he is 100 % right with his latest statement.
Duncan Garner: if we can’t get a COVID-19 vaccine into New Zealand how can we possibly get 4 million electric cars here.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/02/duncan-garner-if-we-can-t-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-into-new-zealand-how-can-we-get-4-million-electric-cars-here.html
Jacinda is great at making decisions but absolutely crap at getting it right most times look at the failures in housing, transport and justice just to name a few
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February 1, 2021 8:01am
- Tall Man
  
  ardern is not making decisions. She is merely the PR front person for a bunch of left wing and green zealots.
  
  The only decisions that I believe can be sheeted home to her are those that are designed to enhance her international reputation, in other words, optics not action. Tears for Grace, MIQ for Wiggles and PR for sroubek ….. The last one was a “favour” for an old friend.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:32am
  - Bob
    
    A ‘Captains Call’ is actually not a decision!; it is a diversion to distract people from a greater problem ie the inability to understand and analyse the problem. Such pronouncements were once called ‘knee jerk reactions’- a response with no thought behind it; very common at the moment in NZ.
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:07am
- Simon
  
  Another link to the reprogramming.
  
  Mass hysteria over covid19 into the utterly fake climate change hysteria.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:35am
  - oldfella
    
    Simon, I reckon Covid-19 is actually CAUSED by climate change. So we can forget vaccines. This pandemic will only be fixed when we all switch to electric vehicles.
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:26am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    The “I just popped over to Stuff/The Herald etc. for a moment …” crowd on KB need to unplug fully from the barrage of social programming. No point ridiculing how terrible “Stuffed” are, and then patronising their website. They are not disinterested purveyors of the news, but poisonous practitioners of disinformation, and the only remedy is to switch all of them off, immediately, and never go back.
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:50am
- Frank the tank
  
  LOL. Still none of the feckless class have raised how are we going to pay for our roading network without fuel costs, who pays for the charging stations and the second cook strait power cable and of course how the fuck we are going dispose of the used batteries in due course.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:37am
  - Batman
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Why so willfully ignorant, Frank?
    
    Non-petrol cars will be subject to RUCs. That is the obvious solution given they are currently under an exemption to promote their numbers so eventually that will be removed to generate the revenue.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:00am
    - sooty
      
      The electricity used to make aluminium will be sent north or new powerstations built soon!
      
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      February 1, 2021 9:39am
      - Charmaine Hawke
        
        You are dreaming in both cases, no I am sure the power of our PM’s smile will be enough won’t it?
        If this is an indication of what the USA needs to do then I would like to see someone tell us in New Zealand clearly what needs to be done and the cost before we race into a utopian nightmare.
        https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/27/bright-green-impossibilities/
        
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        February 1, 2021 9:59am
    - Frank the tank
      
      If you believe RUCs are going to cover the shortfall then it’s you that is wilfully ignorant. Look on the bright side though Batty we’ll have plenty of batteries for 2nd hand fridges. Maybe we could start an export market to Chad and Benin.
      
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      February 1, 2021 9:45am
    - tf78
      
      Batman that’s hard case as petrol cars have actually paid for all the roads, so in future they should be exempt.
      
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      February 1, 2021 9:45am
      - Couchpotatoe
        
        I know the internet is very democratic and all but opines like this are ample reason to have a benevolent dictator to say no, you lose your right to express such dumb views.
        
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        February 1, 2021 9:39pm
  - Bob
    
    More to the point, what will happen to the numerous petrol stations along the roads; there is only a need for so many coffee stops.???
    
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    February 1, 2021 12:19pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      They’ll go the same way as butchers and milk-men, I guess.
      
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      February 1, 2021 9:41pm
- New Zealander
  
  And National just nods their heads and smiles.
  
  The Climate Commission should be abolished and someone in New Zealand needs to start calling out this bullshit. We are a small, clean country with minimal population and we don’t need to do anything except put our rubbish in the bin when Asia’s waste is polluting our skies and oceans.
  
  Imagine not even being able to import a classic car in 2032. Will there be no motorsport? How about tractors? Fishing boats? Nah, everything will be electric mate. Even those planes that our MPs fly around in. Just don’t you worry about driving anything on the road that requires petrol.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:37am
  - Batman
    
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    There are exemptions for classic cars and vehicles not used on the road i.e. farm vehicles and boats etc.
    
    I’m not a big fan either but it only takes a couple of minutes to bother checking rather than getting hysterical.
    
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    February 1, 2021 8:58am
    - New Zealander
      
      One thing we know about the left is that once they start, they don’t stop. You’re truly naive.
      
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      February 1, 2021 9:09am
      - Batman
        
        You’re truly naive if you think in left wing.
        
        Womp womp, try again.
        
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        February 1, 2021 1:33pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        People have (in my view, rather unfairly) labeled Batman as “wilfully ignorant” and “truly naive”.
        
        I think you’re both wrong – he knows exactly what he’s doing and believes with every ounce of fibre in his being that his ideology is the correct one. This despite it being a demonstrably tragic failure in every single instance it’s been tried. It deters him not. Tilting at windmills and pushing shit uphill with a knitting needle are mere bagatelles to the True Believer.
        
        It’s quite touching really, not to mention hilarious.
        
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        February 1, 2021 9:49pm
    - OTGO
      
      The question on everyones lips, “will the batmobile be electric?”
      
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      February 1, 2021 9:14am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nope, it will be a 522 big block, twin turbo, 2000 HP
        
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        February 1, 2021 9:52am
      - JibberJabber
        
        I’m guessing the Batmobile in question has a rubber band…
        
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        February 1, 2021 10:14am
      - Jack5
        
        OTGO asks “will the ?? batmobile be electric”?
        
        Considering how well it runs on hot air, no.
        
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        February 1, 2021 12:54pm
      - Batman
        
        It’s jet powered… So the hot air is fairly good at helping me leap over blown bridges etc
        
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        February 1, 2021 1:39pm
      - Batman
        
        OTGO, the batmobile would be considered a low volume vehicle and thus exempt.
        
        I’ll be driving my jet powered vehicle for years to come, happily for children around the world who understand the fundamental coolness of cars that are like fighter jets ?
        
        The older batmobiles are 40 years old so exempt as they’re historic.
        
        Here’s the info sheet, bottom of page, for those 44 people who downticked my comment because they didn’t like a little bit of fact: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-moves-climate-promises
        
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        February 1, 2021 1:37pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @ BM: Oh, it was in a Beehive Press Release was it?
        
        Well in that case it’s a 100% dead cert, absolutely guaranteed to happen just like they said, have it done in no time, gas-guzzlers will be gone by lunchtime, nothing to see here, Jacinda “Crusher” Ardern will make your car a gone-burger.
        
        You know, just like KiwiBuild, light rail to Auckland airport, a million billion trees already planted, child poverdy solved, housing crisis sorted, property rights protected. I mean, it’s a cinch!
        
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        February 1, 2021 9:53pm
    - Frank Hematuria
      
      Where in the draft report does it refer to these exemptions? In my first look through it I did not see any. What I did see was New Zealand referred to by that name once in the first 20 pages, and Aotearoa used 53 times in the same 20 pages. There is a lot of ideological grandstanding going on in this report. What it doesn’t contain, despite James Shaw’s claims otherwise, is very much evidence to back up the ideological positions taken and even less calculation of the economic impacts. I await with interest any reactions from opposition parties.
      
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      February 1, 2021 9:53am
      - calendar girl
        
        I was fortunate to be born in New Zealand, and am proud and happy to have lived my life so far in this special country.
        
        There is no no logical or convincing reason that I can see to change the formal name of our country to Aotearoa, an objective that some persistent protagonists seem determined to achieve. To remove future uncertainty about how our homeland should be named in formal documents and communications, our Government should include a general referendum on the subject at the time of NZ’s next General Election, due to be held by January 2024.
        
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        February 1, 2021 12:58pm
  - Jimbob
    
    Good luck making this work, no chance of phasing out fossil fuels by 2050. The technology at present is crap at replacing petrol or diesel. Electric cars are rooted after 15 years, not going to happen. There is not enough lithium or copper in the world to build all these cars for a start. Sh.t for brains thinking.
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:05am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    The world is moving on this issue. Boris Johnson has banned the import or manufacture of petrol and diesel cars from 2030. GM has said they won’t build petrol cars after 2030. So it is hardly a dastardly left wing plot to move to EV’s.
    
    National has to appeal to newer generations, and look ahead to 2030.
    
    The big issue for National is the livestock issue. National won’t agree to the 15% reduction. It is particularly stupid to impose such a limit, particularly given that New Zealand has the lowest level of emission per kg in the world. New Zealand, right at the moment is utterly dependent on agricultural exports, probably at the highest percentage of total exports for the last 40 years. I imagine Grant Robertson is well aware of this fact.
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:32am
    - Tricati
      
      And you never hear what the alternative to our primary industry is going to be from these muppets, especially given the high government costs to sustain our welfare system.
      
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      February 1, 2021 10:49am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        The gummint will print more money, I guess.
        
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        February 1, 2021 10:01pm
    - New Zealander
      
      Who cares what Boris Johnson thinks? We are New Zealand, not the United Kingdom. National should be arguing for what’s right, not playing the Women’s Day/The Project game that John Key and Jacinda Ardern have specialised in. It’s incredible how weak National have become. It’s no wonder when you see the careerist Young Nats coming through who are simply center-left idealists who grew up with parents who voted National.
      
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      February 1, 2021 11:13am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Yeah but Jacinda’s mate in the UK – you know, the one that told her to lock the country down too late and then say they “went early and hard” – said to get rid of petrol and diesel-fueled vehicles, so, you know….
        
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        February 1, 2021 10:20pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        The point about Boris Johnson is that the move to EV’s is world wide. New Zealand, irrespective of the government, will not be standing apart from that. Of course you will still be able to buy second hand ICE vehicles beyond 2030, so you will get your fix out till around 2050.
        
        However, I am looking ahead at my next vehicle, and the one after that. Probably a Plug In Hybrid around 2023 to replace my existing 2018 diesel and a full EV sometime post 2025. I reckon with 700k range.
        
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        February 2, 2021 8:10am
    - Thompy
      
      The world market for dairy is fixed. So every tonne of dairy product not produced in NZ will simply be produced somewhere else most likely Nth America or Europe.
      Removing 15% from the national herd will make no difference at all to global ruminant emissions.
      However if farmers are forced to reduce numbers then they will probably feed more supplements to increase per cow production and the make up the the difference. There will be unintended consequences.
      
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      February 1, 2021 11:20am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Thompy, on Country Calender I think it was, I saw some type of feed a farmer was growing for his stock that was reducing emissions – so we might see some herd sizes able to increase and premiums from such stock products also grow.
        Kiwi farmers have always been among the most innovative and that hasn’t stopped.
        
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        February 1, 2021 12:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep,
        it’s like looking for a magic bullet …finding a super-food ingredient to cure all ills….
        
        try your moo-cows on Chicory, plantain, red seaweed, gm ryegrass (woops……. the Greens don’t allow that one to be trialled in NZ)
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/397727/new-grass-could-reduce-methane-emissions-from-animals#:~:text=The%20genetically%20modified%20ryegrass%20has,reduce%20methane%20emissions%20from%20animals.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/01/from-red-seaweed-to-climate-smart-cows-new-zealand-leads-the-fight-against-methane
        
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        February 1, 2021 2:10pm
    - David George
      
      “The world” is fully capable of falling in love with mad ideas, doesn’t mean we have to follow them.
      Properly accounted for there is no benefit economically of environmentally in going electric over petrol/diesel. The most environmentally friendly option ( LPG or nat gas directly powered vehicles) doesn’t appear to have been properly considered at all. Perhaps it would show up one of the previous mad ideas – completely shutting down gas exploration.
      
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      February 1, 2021 11:24am
    - Kevin Herlihy
      
      The solution for New Zealand is hybrid vehicles that use both electric and fossil fuels. This will soften the impact on our primary industries who face challenges complying with reductions in herd numbers and also in farm management.
      
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      February 1, 2021 11:29am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Having two engines, one of which is redundant at all times, is energy-inefficient in terms of production, uses more energy to move it around (two motors plus batteries for one is a lot heavier than one motor) and doesn’t solve either problem.
        
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        February 1, 2021 10:23pm
    - zulumonster
      
      “National won’t agree to the 15% reduction. It is particularly stupid to impose such a limit, particularly given that New Zealand has the lowest level of emission per kg in the world. ”
      When Rod Carr was asked if he accepted that our farmers were the most carbon efficient in the world he said Being the best whale hunters doesn’t make it good …
      Way to get the farmers on board fellas …
      
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      February 1, 2021 11:42am
      - crikey
        
        That’s a particularly dumb / naive comparison by Carr. Like, whale hunting is a key part of out economy?? If that’s the best he can do…
        
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        February 1, 2021 5:43pm
    - Tomtoddy
      
      NZ farmers have 1% of the world’s ruminants. Ruminants apparently produce 15% of the planet’s methane emissions. Methane is claimed to be responsible for 15% of the one degree of warming so far.
      
      Even if you believe Methane at 18 parts per million in the atmosphere can do any warming (it is easy to prove it cant) then removing 15% of NZ’s livestock willl result in 15% of 1% of 15% of 15% of one degree.
      
      Thats 0.00003375 of a degree. Unbelievably bizarre.
      
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      February 1, 2021 1:17pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Well worked out. What you didn’t mention is the biggest folly of all – people thinking the climate is on some kind of thermostat, and all you have to do is turn the dial the other way, in the form of reducing emissions. Madness.
        
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        February 1, 2021 10:25pm
    - rangitoto
      
      It’s pointless for NZ to do anything. We have no option except to follow what the manufactures do. The market here is of no interest to them. If they go all electric then that will be it.
      
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      February 1, 2021 1:26pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Agree, let the market do what the market does. If EVs are so good, the world will embrace them as a valued means of transport. Until then, I wouldn’t touch one with a stick. I don’t believe Govts (especially ours) should become an advertising agent for the damned things.
        
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        February 1, 2021 2:15pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Pg 49.
    Aviation and shipping do not need to be measured
    and no reason why in the foreseeable future?.
    
    I mean, Really whats the point?
    Measure some things and slaughter industry and the main polluters are not even selected.
    
    Really what was the purpose of this nonsense?
    
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    February 1, 2021 1:51pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Written for those with an agenda by those with an agenda.
      
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      February 1, 2021 8:54pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  and yet Bob Harvey recons she’s “the greatest LEADER in the world”
  Judge her against my definition of a leader.
  A leader inspires people to follow them towards a mutually beneficial goal.
  To achieve this the leader must
  a) Know what the ultimate goal is
  b) Know what the pathway to that goal is (intermediate achievable goals)
  c) MUST know when it is being achieved and adjust course to suit
  d) Utilize and constantly review the assets (including people) required to get the best results.
  to achieve that goal.
  finally
  The goal, must be worth having and the effort/sacrifice to get it.
  She has FAILED on all these things
  She failed on Cobid19….”Keep it out of NZ”
  (Influenza pandemic response plan c2017)
  MIQ in our covid free cities (REALLY???), they knew this in the middle ages, to be stupid.
  Before covid (yes all you Jacinanistas), there was a time
  Housing
  Poverty
  Tree planting
  economic growth
  employment (pre covid)
  all FAILURES and failures of L E A D E R S H I P!
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:46am
  - Nickc2
    
    Come on RW, now you have all those precious petals masquerading as journalists in the MSM sobbing in support of Cindy. How dare you?
    Will said though because it had to be said and constantly reminded.
    IMO, she is a childish individual who expects everyone else to sink to her level and believe the crap she and her MSM colleagues espouse.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:28am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Ardern is a vacuous air head, voted for and championed by other vacuous air heads.
      
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      February 1, 2021 11:04am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Barbie
        Made of plastic…Ardern…artificial
        Hollow……Ardern ….vacuous
        Sold on looks…..obvious comparison
        Comes in a cellophane and cardboard box, that is useless after you take the doll out….The Labour Party.
        
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        February 1, 2021 11:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bob Harvey? You think people value the opinion of someone who runs around with no pants on?
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:55am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Pants or no pants, he still had the AMShow podium to shout from.
      Look what that did for a certain silly little girl.
      
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      February 1, 2021 10:12am
    - oldfella
      
      Steve, we value Batman’s opinion don’t we?
      
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      February 1, 2021 10:29am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        at less than 2 cents
        
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        February 1, 2021 11:28am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Respect his/her right to hold an opinion? Of course.
        
        Value his/her opinion? Nope.
        
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        February 1, 2021 10:26pm
    - pdm
      
      Steve does Bob Harvey do that?
      
      Sure you are not thinking of `pants down Brown’?
      
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      February 1, 2021 10:30am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Harvey, did it.
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mayor-exposes-his-all/ZZJYTZUSSHA6LQVF3LLUHTNWLU/
        
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        February 1, 2021 11:24am
  - Bob
    
    When did Bob Harvey ever have any credibility, except in the pages of the Horrid.
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:09am
  - Paulus
    
    But to be positive
    She is going to Waitangi to announce that Maori Wards will be compulsory at the next Local Government Elections.
    Needs the Maori vote which is slipping.
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:41am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    50% didn’t vote just for her teeth bro. So get a grip.
    
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    February 1, 2021 11:00am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  2032 11 years, if this cabal is still manipulating the sheeples, it won’t matter the country will be trashed.
  The coal ships will be lining up over the horizon.
  It’s like the banning of unleaded in QLD, what the idiots didn’t factor in 2 stroke motors wouldn’t run.
  It just disappeared and was forgotten.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:24am
  - tf78
    
    Greg, I don’t know why they’re even bothering as Greta said 2 years ago we only had 12 years left on the planet so now it’s only 10. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:49am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Morning down tickers.
    Just remind me how much NZ reduced its emissions over the 52nd Parliament.
    It can be put in the poverdy and kiwibuild department, the mushroom effect, feed the public on Bull shit and keep them in the dark.
    Maybe you would like to guess the 53rd term for increasing emissions.
    All pure fantasy really.
    
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    February 1, 2021 11:27am
- herb1
  
  The target to achiev 64000 e cars by years end requires 40% of all sales for the rest of the year to be electric cars or trade vehicles.
  Why does Ardern even bother to say or simply repeat this impossible rubbish.
  Where does she think the supply will come from?
  Has she checked with the imported to see if they ordered these cars last year for this years delivery.
  Where does she think the 47000 odd buyers are going to come from
  Does no one in this Govt think basic things through.
  
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  February 1, 2021 12:54pm
  - RightFirstTime
    
    Well Herb the answer to your last question is an emphatic NO. The Police are going to be replacing their vehicle fleet with fossil fueled Skodas. If Cindy was really serious she would have ordered them to use second hand Nissan Leaf imports from Japan. The police aren’t going to be undertaking any pursuits from now on so why do they need fast cars? (That’s assuming the Skodas are fast).
    
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    February 1, 2021 5:22pm
Raphael

https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/29/eu_commission_vaccine_contract_redaction_fail/ so the EU released a redacted version of a contract, and made a mistake in the redaction that allowed the full text to be read. Turns out they were trying to force AstraZeneca to provide all their manufactured vaccine to the EU before providing any to England (keeping in mind the vaccine in question was developed at Oxford and they partnered with AstraZeneca to be able to handle the capacity).
This includes all the vaccine manufactured in England (one clause says: for this specific clause relating only to manufacturing, England is considered part of the EU, and is not considered part of the EU for distribution). This would have been in breach of the contracts already in place with England.
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February 1, 2021 8:02am
- artemisia
  
  The EU also backtracked on export controls on its vaccines entering Northern Ireland in a bid to prevent the region becoming a backdoor for jabs to be sent to the UK mainland. Would have been a hard border, described by Northern Ireland First Minister Arlene Foster as “an absolutely incredible act of hostility”.
  
  Tick in the box for Boris and Brexit, to add to the other big tick comparing vaccine rollout in the UK to that in the EU.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:14am
- Frank the tank
  
  End result is still UK, EU, US and some small, smart nations get the jab and all the shithole countries including little Aotearoa get nothing for 18 months.
  
  The best we can hope for is some ‘offshoots’ from Australia however ATM we are focussing on pissing them off on behalf of our new BFF, Chyna. We’ll receive ours after Tonga and the Marshall Islands…..
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:41am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Sleepy Joe is going to prioritise the 40 scum terrorists getting the vaccine in Gitmo.
    Cognitive IQ of a Kumquat.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:34am
    - artemisia
      
      Kumquat? Those vegans will be after you …
      
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      February 1, 2021 9:37am
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        Sleepy Joe won’t be, he is busy looking for his pen in his pocket.
        
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        February 1, 2021 11:29am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Gather they have flip flopped on that.
      but does show their dangerous thought process.
      
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      February 1, 2021 9:48am
  - edhunter
    
    How soon before we hear an announcement that we’ve secured a new source of vaccine from our dear friend the PRC?
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Sinovac hardly seems worth the effort..
      
      Sinovac: Brazil results show Chinese vaccine 50.4% effective
      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55642648
      
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      February 1, 2021 11:56am
      - Nickc2
        
        But Maggy, that’s better than 0% (our current status).
        
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        February 1, 2021 12:38pm
    - Nickc2
      
      HA HA HA! Love it!
      
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      February 1, 2021 12:36pm
  - tf78
    
    Frank, I wouldn’t take it anyway, I’ll be a good sort and give it to some worthy bureaucrat.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:51am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Chris Bishop AM show. Finally asking the questions but 12 months too late.
    
    But Bishop wants to know more about New Zealand’s deal with Pfizer.
    
    “What does our contract with Pfizer say about delivery? If the [contract] says, ‘they must be in the country by January’, [then] Pfizer’s broken its contract,” said Bishop. “I don’t think the contract says that – I think the contract says something like, ‘hey Pfizer, you can deliver 750,000 doses of your vaccine by, say, May.'”
    
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    February 1, 2021 4:17pm
    - Nickc2
      
      or whenever.
      
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      February 1, 2021 8:41pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  and in every mention of trade with that part of the world….this govt.talks about the EU first and the UK a long last.
  Me thinks they have it ass about face.
  Seems the one to trust, also from past history, is the UK.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:51am
  - chukar
    
    RWC,
    In matters economic trust Britain ?
    No way !
    NZ fed them thru WW 2 after which they walked away.
    Now they want NZ produce again. Only if they meet the market.
    
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    February 1, 2021 5:52pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and when the common market/ EU said they HAD to buy European butter etc.
      The Poms built MASSIVE chillers on the South bank of the Thames (Vauxhall) to store the European butter so they could still buy NZ/Australian butter to sell in their supermarkets.
      ie buying twice as much as they needed, keeping our exports alive.
      I personally saw these chillers, they were huge (hectares in size).
      
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      February 2, 2021 8:21am
- Bob
  
  Another example of why leaving the EU was a long term good idea for England.
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:11am
- Master Mariner
  
  Mean while this is how Singapore secured vaccines.
  
  https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/how-singapore-picked-its-covid-19-vaccines
  
  Right person in the right job asking the right questions and finally following up with the right actions.
  Hymmm, Wonder where we went wrong here.//
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:17pm
cmm

Am I the only person that thinks bringing in 570 contract foreigners to “save” 400 Kiwi jobs is a bad deal?

The deep sea fishing industry is mainly Maori owned (Sealord etc). Half the point of that was to improve Maori employment. But some how each NZ job needs almost 2 foreigners to make it work.

What happened to the myth of Maui the awesome fisherman? What happened to the Polynesians (including Maori) being these amazing seafarers? Why do we need Russians for our fishing fleets?

“Sealord chief executive Doug Paulin said the industry has had issues attracting New Zealand workers for many years. He said many other jobs rated higher in young people’s priorities.”

Yeah no shit. Work is for losers. With the dole and a few side hussles why go out to sea?

“Some in the industry aged 23 to 25 were already buying homes, he said.”
Own your own home? You gotta be mad when you can just get government houses.

Yet another industry being killed by welfare.

And the fruit picking stuff is not much different.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124041935/foreign-fishermens-border-exemption-protected-380-million-of-exports
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February 1, 2021 8:03am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Welfare reform is essential or we’ll just continue the downward slide. But I don’t agree with refusing to let workers in just because we are holding out hope of welfare changes that neither major party supports and could take decades to have an effect.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:07am
  - DaveS
    
    Part of that welfare reform has to be to allow a higher threhold than $80 before tax, before someone is taxed/benefit abatement of 70%. Why this level has never been lifted beggars belief. This level was the same in the late 90s when the minimum wage was $7.08. Now a person attempting to transition into full-time work can only work about 4 hours before there is negligible net benefit.
    
    If welfare reform is simply code for ‘make the lazy bastards work’ I think it’s unhelpful. If it’s about incentivising people to work, then absolutely. On this allowedly right-wing blog saying anything supportive of the poor is, I know, deeply offensive but maybe thinking about solutions that work might be best, rather than ones that fit an ideological world view.
    
    We might also match welfare reform with tax system reform, so that capital gains beneficiaries stop getting a free ride.
    
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    February 1, 2021 8:19am
    - artemisia
      
      Now $90 but also there are a lot of extra payments available for beneficiaries transitioning to work.
      
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      February 1, 2021 8:32am
      - Bob
        
        Far too many extra payments available.
        
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        February 1, 2021 10:13am
    - PeeJay
      
      I’m generally center, center-right on most things but on welfare I agree that ‘make the bastards work’ isn’t working. Obviously this will be down-ticked as it isn’t a ‘hang the buggers’ post!
      I like a lot of the work English, Bennet and Joyce were implementing prior to the 2017 election – targeted data driven approaches would have seen huge structural changes to this country but nope, ‘hugz + feelz’ it was.
      As an example, I had experience working with prisoners in the ‘working prisons’ scheme – was doing housing refurbs for the old HNZ. I absolutely believe in the old adage of do the crime, do the time (and feel we should be harder at sentencing tbh), but it’s pointless locking them up and waiting for them to re-offend and rinse and repeat. Working prisons is brilliant – it tries to break the cycle and often succeeds. The HNZ refurbs was a bloody brilliant scheme – get them hooked on work before they get out, targeted support as they get out to integrate them back into society (and a fair few getting recommends from the tradie instructors) and the re-offending rate plummets. I wish we could get more of this kind of joined-up mature thinking from National rather than the labour-lite we are currently getting. I often wonder how much better our country would be if that old codger had swallowed his pride in 2017 and backed National – or more of the ‘keep them honest’ idiots had remembered his form!
      
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      February 1, 2021 11:03am
      - lemuzz
        
        In the 1960″s I too had experience with prisoners in the workforce. I lived near a justice prison facility where the selected inmates were bussed to local businesses for work. Over the years I employed many. Being employed and trusted was something they appreciated. The employers were not seen as guards and the inmates earned enough money to set themselves up for the first few weeks after release. The community was also supportive. It was a win win situation
        
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        February 1, 2021 12:11pm
    - curry4me
      
      DaveS: You’re absolutely right. ACT MPs have mentioned it at various times.
      
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      February 1, 2021 1:46pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You are correct in that there is no easy solution and whatever solution is found will not be happening anytime soon but, do we ever run out of workers overseas who are desperate enough to travel halfway around the world for a job.
    
    We are pouring millions into the Cook Islands, don’t they have unemployed that can come here and work? What about Nuie or Tokelau, places that exist because NZ taxpayers fund them almost 100%.
    
    I worked, very briefly, in the employment service many years ago and the “lazy bugga” problem existed even then but at least we had penalties in place. Now, the “lazy buggas” rule the roost it seems.
    
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    February 1, 2021 8:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I thought Ken Mair was going to train up lots of Maori Fisherfolk at an Institute in W(h)anganui.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    So did the people that funded him ………
    
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    February 1, 2021 8:52am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Tall Man, that is possibly the greatest one liner response seen on this blog.
      Your cutting wit is a delight.
      
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      February 1, 2021 10:02am
      - Tall Man
        
        Shame the mods don’t see it your way 😉
        
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        February 1, 2021 2:14pm
    - cmm
      
      Us. We funded them.
      
      No, it was just another way to build another trough….
      
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      February 1, 2021 12:49pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    all talk.
    
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    February 1, 2021 8:55am
  - pdm
    
    Mair is still trying to find someone to carve out the bone hooks.
    
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    February 1, 2021 8:58am
  - Nickc2
    
    He’s good at cutting the heads off concrete statues though.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:38am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It was Tariana Turia’s son that was convicted for that act of vandalism.
      As an example of how restorative justice might work, she cited the beheading of the John Ballance statue in Moutoa Gardens in 1994, but did not mention that her son was the offender.
      
      Mark Turia said last month that he would smash the statue again if it was replaced. He was sentenced to three months in prison for wilful damage after refusing to serve a sentence of periodic detention.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/turia-rejects-calls-for-tougher-justice/2TTXPRPZAWGSRLFK4ASDFAGSZI/
      
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      February 1, 2021 10:32am
      - Nickc2
        
        Thanks, I remember Kenny Mair from previous employment and somehow I was convinced he had a hand in it. For that, I apologize.
        
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        February 1, 2021 11:31am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh, he was part of the action at the Moutoa gardens/Pakaitore stand-off at W(h)anganui.
        
        I’ve followed it all closely because Ken Mair suddenly materialised in W(h)anganui in the 1980s….He sure didn’t grow up there.
        
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        February 1, 2021 2:29pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Contrary to what [deleted by mod] Ardern sez, Capitalism works fine it’s her Welfare System that is NOT working…
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:50am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Lol, you know you’re on the money when observable facts get deleted.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:28am
- Jack5
  
  Cheap labour is the main driver for bringing in Russian or other foreign fishermen.
  
  Otherwise there would be practical seamanship schools, preferably in the East Coast of the North Island or whever Maori unemployment is high.
  
  As I understand it only recently, and very modestly, have deep-sea fishing vocation programmes begun at secondary school level.
  
  Did you ever see a television ad. aimed at young New Zealanders, and more finely aimed at young Maori, about the good money and the adventurous life of deep-sea fishing?
  
  As for fruit picking, sticking with cheap Asian labour will ultimately price many New Zealand orchardists out of the world market.
  
  Orchards that will survive and thrive will be like the German-owned T&G Global (it originated as an NZ co-op). Its Hawkes Bay orchards are co-operating in robot-picker technology with a Californian firm, Abundant Robotics, which is part-owned by T&G Global’s German parent firm.
  
  At present, the focus on robots in Hawkes Bay is picking at high tree levels, which contain most of the fruit.
  
  So they are starting by complementing the human pickers. That’s typical of the way robotics is introduced in industry.
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:40am
- The Housekeeper
  
  Well said cmm. I’m guessing the jobs they claim will eventually go to kiwis will be satisfied by giving the Russians NZ passports.
  
  ‘The exemption also allowed the ministry to strike a deal with the deep sea fishing industry to help attract New Zealanders and help curb its dependence on foreign workers.’
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:50am
Tony Stuart

Has anyone seen January? It had only just started, but appears to have completely disappeared!
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February 1, 2021 8:27am
- Tall Man
  
  Along with imported goods on many shelves.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:33am
  - artemisia
    
    Heh, just setting up an online grocery delivery based on my usual list. Maybe 25% of the list now ‘not available’. More obvious when all in one place than empty shelves.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:01am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yes indeed; the shelves at the local supermarket were pretty barren last week.
    
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    February 1, 2021 11:10am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Dont say i didnt warn you, Wait till the state has to feed you.
    If anything like the vaccine roll out you will go hungry pretty quick.
    How is the inflation in prices going? If up, By much?
    Honest question as still overseas
    
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    February 1, 2021 2:49pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Pricing seems stable although we only buy home kill meat.
      
      Mind you, they creep not jump.
      
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      February 1, 2021 6:35pm
- niggly
  
  I think Jacinda took it – it was bliss for her to hardly appear during that time and to stay on holiday seemingly forever! She ain’t gonna give it up, well maybe reluctantly, hopefully she returns it in time for next year!
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:43am
I remember when

‘Drivers pull off SH1 as Waikato house engulf in fire.’ RNZ
The fire, which also featured on the TV3 News, was certainly all engulfing.
Points I found interesting was one, the extremely thick black smoke which was like a smaller version of the Rangiora tyre heap inferno.
Secondly, that the blaze was so extremely intense.
How much of this is due to the types of materials used in building modern homes.
Do we pay enough attention to the products we buy to enhance our lifestyles.
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February 1, 2021 8:27am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Drug manufacture?
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:56am
Ipanema69

I’m just back from a couple of weeks holiday (which was very enjoyable), not looking forward to starting work again tomorrow (today being Auckland Anniversary Day).

However whilst away I was staying at a series of NZ government owned facilities (no it was not a department of corrections or police cell!!!) that had the following policy clearly articulated in writing and reinforced by staff at verbal briefings held every night.

1) Do not give free handouts to the locals under any circumstances. It may seem kind but it is very damaging to the locals.

2) The consequences of giving free handouts to the locals is that they become dependent on receiving these gifts.

3) Furthermore a consequence of the free handouts is that the locals no longer teach their young how to support themselves independently.

4) Additionally another unfortunate consequence of the free handouts is that the locals no longer have to spend their days in productive activities. They consequentially then begin to engage in destructive and anti-social activities.

The policy seems to be working in the areas I visited. Three of the locals I was fortunate enough to meet gave a spectacular display and appeared healthy and energetic.

For those of you who are wondering the government facility was a series of huts in the south island high country. The locals were the resident Kea population.

Given that Kea are the most intelligent bird in the world, the DOC policy is food for thought with respect to unintended consequences of welfare.

BTW many thanks to “Rodney” the Kea (identified by his tag bands) and his two mates (unidentified) for the spectacular aerobatic display.
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February 1, 2021 8:28am
niggly

Just heard Rod Carr on Morning Report regarding Climate Commission report … he truly believes the closure of Tiwai Point aluminium smelter will free up electricity for the North Island (to power EV’s and to compensate for the culling of gas use).

Some thoughts in response … despite this costing hundreds of millions (probably be billions in the end) to build new transmission lines and related infrastructure! But are they crazy, what about “resilience”, there seems to be many articles of late of the South Island Alpine fault-line rupturing due to a major earthquake (that apparently is overdue based on past timelines), so when that happens expect power outages in the North Island for months and months? But no worries thank goodness for the Huntly Coal Powerstation, that’ll supply emergency power, right? Buzzzz – wrong! The muppets also want to close Huntly down!

And then they want to cull the gas industry? No way! More gas expansion please and No way should NZ close down its gas industry when no other country is also being so stupid to do so! Gas gives us self-reliance! And what about the gas burners heating hospitals, schools and industries? Where are the billions coming from to convert to other forms of energy?

Please National and ACT – close this nonsense down and reassure the people and industry that under them, they will put NZ first by ensuring that any changes will not occur ahead of other countries, will not occur until alternative energy sources are affordable and will not disadvantage NZ’s competitiveness and productivity.
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February 1, 2021 8:32am
- niggly
  
  Nat/ACT … And will not import energy when we already have these same resources in the ground (or under the sea) ourselves!
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:25am
  - sooty
    
    Along with giving kiwi’s jobs rather than the dole!
    
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    February 1, 2021 12:08pm
- artemisia
  
  I would say National is keeping its powder dry for now. If it puts forward a contrary policy at this early stage in the electoral cycle there will be a tsunami of negativity and expert opinion aiming right at them. (Not coordinated by the usual suspects of course.//)
  
  Watch, prepare, wait. Good tactic.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:42am
  - sooty
    
    Labour would just introduce the nats scheme a couple of months down the track!
    
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    February 1, 2021 12:10pm
  - Inandout
    
    Exactly Arte, wait for chaos to develop, much like Trump.is doing at the moment.
    
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    February 1, 2021 1:13pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Stuart Smith … We are not going to sign a blank cheque for all these policies.
    
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    February 1, 2021 4:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Very interesting interview with Professor Judith Curry who makes the same point for the USA:
  
  Judith Curry: Well, I think natural gas can do anything that coal is doing. So natural gas is a much cleaner transitional option. You need one or the other in the near term. When the wind isn’t blowing and the sun isn’t shining, you can’t fire up a nuclear power plant, turn it on and off. Having wind and solar in the mix really means you do need coal or natural gas because you can switch it on or off. So the more wind and solar you add, the more reliant you’re going to be on gas. Regarding battery storage, until we get new storage technology, there isn’t enough lithium in the world for all that storage. Rethinking and re-engineering the grid could also better redistribute wind and solar generated energy.
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/30/interview-climate-change-a-different-perspective-with-judith-curry/
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:45am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    ‘Professor Curry openly accepts that climate change is real and it is happening, but the topic is so, so complex.’
    
    Lost me there Maggy.
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:55am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That’s a pity..
      Great interview, showing how the Climate modellers took over Climate science.
      
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      February 1, 2021 11:59am
  - Jimbob
    
    Judith Curry is 100% correct.
    
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    February 1, 2021 11:42am
  - Nickc2
    
    Wind and Solar don’t generate sufficient energy for its own transmission over distance. In other words, they may power a small nearby town providing the wind is blowing within a narrow speed range and the sun is radiating sufficient heat.
    Cold winter nights will be early to bed and probably resulting in a population explosion. Then What?
    
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    February 1, 2021 12:12pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      What everyone conveniently forgets is the amount of energy required before they get to market to manufacture / Mine/ Ship and then install etc.
      EV is a classic example.
      
      Until all things are measured and metrics are applied from start to finish then its all “Hot Air”.
      
      Also the removal of subsidies and see the true cosings not only in money but energy required.
      
      Nothing gives more “bang for Buck” than fossil fuels.
      Listened to Carr on RNZ interview and think ” Gee Wizz” hes one hell of a bright spark//
      I can see why hes on the Gravy Train ( Wreck).
      
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      February 1, 2021 5:15pm
- Paulus
  
  Wasn’t Carr once Secretary of the Treasury here.
  No wonder he is not know.
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:47am
  - RalphT
    
    No, Deputy Governor of the Reserve Bank, then head of Jade Corporation, followed by VC at university of Canterbury.
    
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    February 1, 2021 11:44am
    - Jack5
      
      Canterbury University sped from traditional to Woke under Carr.
      
      The vocational degrees (engineering, science, commerce, law) lost status to Maori courses, to the merged training college’s education curricula, to the “humanities”.
      
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      February 1, 2021 1:48pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Chairman Of the Reserve Bank
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Carr_(administrator)
    
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    February 1, 2021 12:04pm
    - Jack5
      
      Unlike central banks like America’s, the board chairman has pretty restricted power in NZ’s Reserve Bank. Thank goodness — even with Adrian Orr as governor.
      
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      February 1, 2021 1:50pm
- Nickc2
  
  Tiwai Point is not closing down. Labour has thrown them a lifeline. Rod Carr is all BS. He has been squatting on the same wand as James Shaw.
  
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  February 1, 2021 12:03pm
- Master Mariner
  
  See pg 49, Shipping and aviation. Comments pretty much sums it up.
  
  What a waste of space.
  
  Had a look to see who this Carr is on Climate commision website. And the rest. Not too impressive and seems a “cut and paste” excerscise.
  
  Time to change the narritive with more scaremongering.
  
  Attention spans are waning in the young comrades.
  
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  February 1, 2021 2:55pm
Frank the tank

Soooo in a vain attempt to find something entertaining on the shitbox I came across the Southpark covid19 special. It was fucking hilarious. Their best work since the musical movie.

Little Aotearoans won’t get it however those with a brain, sense of humour should watch it.
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February 1, 2021 8:32am
lifesgood

God, every time I think something Jacinda says is as stupid as it gets she comes out with something worse. Has she wondered about where the power will come from when about 3 million cars are plugged into the power grid each night? What if there is a major power cut? Will people be able to get to work? Has she wondered what will become of all the cars currently in NZ which will then be forbidden? Man, she takes virtue signalling to the nth degree. It says much about NZers that they voted for her. I am so ashamed of them.
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February 1, 2021 8:35am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Li Ion batteries in EV’s
  The top 10 Li mines have about 1000MT of Lithium
  at 10Kg of Lithium per battery.
  that’s 100 million cars TOTAL
  
  https://www.mining-technology.com/features/top-ten-biggest-lithium-mines/
  https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=amount+of+Li+in+each+EV+battery
  
  https://www.worldometers.info/cars/
  72million cars produced every year
  we will run out of Li in about 18 months
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We’ll be at the back of the queue…
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:47am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Yeah, well if you hadn’t noticed, the narrative is now stating that it’s good & righteous to be at the back of the queue (and it’s also someone else’s fault we’re at the back of the queue, so PriNZess’s mana is preserved).
      
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      February 1, 2021 11:14am
      - hilaryt
        
        well said.
        
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        February 1, 2021 5:55pm
    - herb1
      
      I think Jacinda said to all New Zealanders “we’ll be in the far queue for e cars as well as vaccine”
      
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      February 1, 2021 1:22pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    There will never be a shortage of lithium, it is .002% of earths crust. The price will simply go up – there is always vastly more supply available at lower concentrations.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:56am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Now find it, 70% covered by water, half of the remainder too deep to get at, most of rest, in deposits too small to detect.
      
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      February 1, 2021 11:34am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        China have sewn up all the Lithium deposits.
        
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        February 1, 2021 2:31pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Quick google shows these guys thinking they can extract it from seawater for about 2x current price.
        https://watereuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/WRRF-10-09-webcast.pdf
        Lithium comprises only about 10% (~$10 per kWh) of battery price. Doubling it would be no big deal.
        
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        February 1, 2021 3:02pm
    - Jimbob
      
      Lithium technology for batteries is inadequate for the Worlds needs, new battery technology is required that doesn’t use lithium.
      
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      February 1, 2021 11:48am
    - Nickc2
      
      That’s until a previously unknown snail, bird, or bone is discovered and the Mine is shut down. I assume this is all part of the Green’s MO.
      
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      February 1, 2021 12:23pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and the batteries for tools and toys and phones?
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:05am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      OOOHHH…forgot
      SOLAR PANEL storage batteries.
      
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      February 1, 2021 12:35pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Thats ok, Like the oil and gas it all “magically” appears as on our shores with no costing involved in this climate emergency.
    Meanwhile we importing hand over fist all basics for normal daily life here.
    Oil and gas drilled from shitbox countries, Mainly West Africa . But thats ok because we all walk around with fish and chip rappers over our heads
    
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    February 1, 2021 2:59pm
- Bob
  
  The result of 40 years of children being ‘taught what to think, not how to think and analyse’
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:23am
- The Feed
  
  I suspect what they aren’t telling people is that cars will be for the rich.
  
  Many people who have cars now won’t in future.
  
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  February 1, 2021 12:03pm
- lemuzz
  
  I have often wondered when an electric vehicle owner needs to travel some distance. Maybe charge part way through the trip and later stops the night with friends or family. Asks to use the charging port in the friends system and fill up. This charge may cost the house holder $30 or $40. Friendship would be tested if it happened regularly.
  
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  February 1, 2021 12:32pm
I remember when

Captain Tom Moore in hospital with covid.
Once again the real point of the covid exercise is highlighted – protection of the vunerable.
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February 1, 2021 8:37am
- RW Capitalist
  
  If there is more worthy human being worth saving, I can’t imagine.
  Get well soon Major Tom.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYYRH4apXDo
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:15am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Amen, amen and amen. What a remarkable man Sir Tom is.
    
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    February 1, 2021 11:11am
niggly

Why has Labour forgotten their 50% support came from people voting tactically for them to NOT have the Greens in power?

So here we have Jimmy Shaw and his band of merry fools wanting further economic upheaval, higher energy costs (as NZ is forced to import energy to make up for shortfalls) and the shutting down of industries costing thousands of jobs and livelihoods. All approved by a smiling Jacinda (who is in the wrong party, she should have been in the Greens).

Expect this to be Labour’s last term in power for quite a while (since they are disregarding the message from the middle/swing voters that put Labour over the line and into power).

And all National and Act need to do is ramp up messaging such as:

Vote Labour/Greens = they want to take your cars away!

Vote Labour/Greens = they want you to use bicycles instead of cars!

Vote Labour/Greens for higher energy costs, blackouts, and third world poverty!
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February 1, 2021 8:40am
- Bob
  
  This Commission Report by Rod Carr is the Full GREENS MANIFESTO, which wasn’t announced during the 2020 election
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:25am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Greens represent less than 8% of the voting population but have managed to push their agenda to the front of Labour’s “Action Plan”.
    
    Let’s see how good Labour is at actioning anything on the Climate Commission’s Calendar.
    
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    February 1, 2021 12:10pm
New Zealander

The PM is already preparing to make excuses for her “Year of the Vaccine” just like she did with her “Year of Delivery”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-deeply-concerned-jacinda-ardern-calls-eus-vaccine-export-move-wrong/XGXQOEILKCROAZ72EQWKKDNBTI/

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said at a press conference yesterday that what the EU was doing was “wrong” and that she was “deeply concerned.”

“The world cannot afford vaccine nationalism right now,” she said.

“We as a nation have always said that given what we are seeing overseas, we are very willing to be patient. However, there is still a duty to make sure the world’s healthcare workers and those that are at the frontline are protected as well.”
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February 1, 2021 8:41am
- greybeard
  
  “We as a nation have always said “:
  What the hell does that mean ?
  Is that sort of statement the reason she is regarded as a “good communicator”?
  What rubbish.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She’s talking about the team of 5 million that I unsubscribed from
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:01am
- Maxx
  
  Am I the only one finding it ironic that in this instance Ardern is stating that businesses are the best ones to understand how to distribute the vaccine and not the EU Government, yet her government here seems to be heel bent on describing what businesses can do with bans & restrictions on everything!
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:15am
- RW Capitalist
  
  So…the EU doesn’t care if Jacinda is “deeply concerned”…big surprise.
  Not long ago, she said the vaccine “roll out” would begin in the FIRST quarter of 2021.
  Now we learn that the EARLIEST it will arrive in NZ is end of March. (PSST that is the end of the first Quarter)
  and
  Vaccinations of “front line staff” (whoever they are) will begin in the 2nd quarter (April).
  Wonder what the excuse will be in April?
  
  Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn’t happen.
  
  Winston Churchill
  From someone who made monumental achievements for his people.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:21am
  - Master Mariner
    
    A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.
    
    I would keep quiet if I was her.
    
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    February 1, 2021 3:05pm
- yossarian
  
  Did it come the accompanying “frowny face”?
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:22am
- Bob
  
  programmed waffle!!
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:30am
Fisiani2

Anyone want to take part in a competition to guess when we will have 1 million people vaccinated against Covid? As a clue the UK plans to have vaccinated 15,000,000 of their citizens before 15th Feb ie in just two weeks from now. We have not even vaccinated anyone. Not even our border workers.
I’ll start —-March 10th 2022!
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February 1, 2021 8:41am
- niggly
  
  What, you expect Jacinda and Labour to deliver?!!! When even her besties the EU are slapping her in the face?!!!
  
  Nah it’ll more likely be March 2023 or 2024 than March 2022!
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:19am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Given this govt.s ability to miss every target they ever set…..you are very optimistic….
  add a year for me.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:24am
- Master Mariner
  
  I’ll take a stab in the dark and say never.
  
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  February 1, 2021 3:08pm
Happychappy

This story on Loans to other Government Departments that didnt meet the sniff test from Treasury or the Finance Minister seems as bit odd so I wonder whether this is why Phil Twyford is not heard from much these days.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300217766/government-turns-down-interestfree-loans-for-nzta
It is funny how you get to hear about financial issues months later after , someone has used the Official Information Act to have it released.
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February 1, 2021 8:42am
- Maxx
  
  Interesting anecdote from a friend over the weekend who works for an NGO. Requesting funding from a Ministry was approved straight away with barely a business case given, requesting money from a crown entity they have had to write a fully costed business case.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:17am
- Ruahine
  
  I have heard that Ardern was told to get rid of Twyford and Peters by China because of their racism towards Chinese people in New Zealand. That is why all that information about Winston Peters was releasled to Radio New Zealand culminating in the SFO becoming involved. Peters was stabbed in the back by Labour.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:18am
  - sooty
    
    I like that rumor!
    
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    February 1, 2021 12:14pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  All you oldies remember something called
  Check kiting?
  Sounds a bit like that….
  who does pay the interest.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:28am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    oops “cheque”
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:37am
Jack5

Hmmm

The family own the Farmers, Whitcoulls, and Pascoes retail chains get a swat on Stuff today over receiving the Covid-19 wages subsidy, to the extent, someone calculates, of $35 million.

The subsidy must have been a lifesaver to Stuff. Stuff paid its staff each a $1000 Christmas bonus.

https://twitter.com/mediawatchnz/status/1333601472219496448?lang=en
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February 1, 2021 8:42am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Perhaps they would have preferred wholesale lay offs?
  The wage subsidy went to pay a % of the wage bill.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:30am
  - MCos
    
    Do you really think they would have been that short sighted, unless of course it was going to happen anyway lockdown or not?
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:04am
  - Jack5
    
    Stuff in aiming at big retailers is targeting a big source, perhaps the biggest source, of newspaper advertising.
    
    Is Stuff really confident donations, (dwindling) newspaper subscriptions, and State subsidies allow it to tweak big retailers?
    
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    February 1, 2021 10:47am
    - Paulus
      
      Perhaps Farmers Group Companies will review their enormous advertising bill.
      Harvey Norman are keeping both Herald and Stuff alive.
      
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      February 1, 2021 1:29pm
- MCos
  
  Here is the article you refer to. I’m unsure why you defend payment of taxpayers money to a company who didn’t seem to need it.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124083624/wealthy-family-claims-35m-in-wage-subsidies-for-retail-empire-riling-philanthropists?cid=app-iPhone
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:01am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Few of points
    1. “didn’t SEEM to need it….know something nobody else does?
    2. The rules for getting this subsidy were written by the incompetent govt. that caused the situation ie “Lockdown”
    3. The money went to the non working EMPLOYEES.
    4. No income from conducting business, layoffs become the only answer left.
    
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    February 1, 2021 11:41am
  - Jack5
    
    It’s about people in glass houses throwing stones, MCos.
    
    Stuff, bought for $1, is on the road to becoming a co-operative, according to the item linked to below. Co-operative members are shareholders in a co-operative company, generally equivalent to shareholders in a private or public company – people like those who own Farmers and Whitcoulls.
    
    Stuff received help for Covid-19, and receives other State help, such as through the regional reporting scheme administered through Radio New Zealand. Specifically, Stuff paid its staff a Christmas bonus of $1000.
    
    Don’t you see the parallel to subsidies benefiting shareholders in retail chains?
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018748621/dollar1-deal-paves-the-way-for-staff-stake-in-stuff
    
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    February 1, 2021 11:57am
Gravelroad

Inmates here have been watching the Australian BBL cricket – one being a follower of the Brisbane Heat.
Always a big rap for Chris Lynn. Why?
Time and time again he goes out there, tonks a couple to the boundary then gets himself out.
He can hit a ball all right – but can’t play the game.
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February 1, 2021 8:43am
- New Zealander
  
  Crap isn’t he?
  
  Other than the fact he has:
  Most runs in BBL history
  Most 50s in BBL history
  Most sixes in BBL history
  The 4th highest batting average in BBL history
  The 5th highest batting strike-rate in BBL history
  
  Other than that, he’s useless.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:56am
Tomtoddy

MSM continue their subterfuge and deception. They run hundreds of sensationalist stories on climate change, fires, fl;oods, sea level rise, droughts etc and when the Climate Commissions comes out with a truckload of nasty medicine it gets barely a mention.

Read the garbage and see how our lives are going to be wrecked, economy slashed, jobs lost, incomes damaged all to save a a fraction of a degree warming. Get ready for something far worse than the 87 crash and maybe as rough as 1929.
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February 1, 2021 8:44am
- niggly
  
  The likes of China (and perhaps the likes of North Korea and Russia etc) must be watching with amusement on how the West is “destroying” itself from within!
  
  Why invade another country when western “useful idiots” are doing the work for them!
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:48am
- Surely Knott
  
  No wonder it was released on a sunny Sunday afternoon in the middle of a long weekend? Very strange time for a government press conference
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:29am
- greybeard
  
  Sometimes I think that James Shaw and his fellow Green dreamers believe that New Zealand is separated from the rest of the globe by vertical walls which reach up into space.
  Like some sort of building-site wrapping.
  They talk as though what we do in NZ will affect only that part of the atmosphere above NZ: that we can alter and control our temperature independently of the rest of the world, that OUR air can be made cleaner, that OUR waters can be purified.
  Never do they talk in terms of global action, they never dare mention China or India and what those countries do every day to the earth’s air and water.
  I have never heard James Shaw mention ocean currents, or air currents, or prevailing winds.
  Nor does he ever acknowledge the impact of natural events such as the continual eruptions of Icelandic, Hawaiian and Indonesian volcanoes.
  No. James Shaw can only see our local problems and to solve those problems he is willing to ruin the country to prove his ideological point.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:32am
  - rockape
    
    In your last sentence you say prove his point. He won’t, we will take all that pain and gain absolutely nothing.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:40am
Frank the tank

So looks like the Blairite put on her head tilt and frowny face now that it appears her progressive mates Manny and Ang want to keep all the vaccines for themselves.

How dare they not include the covid Queen in their scheme? Concern and disappointment LOL fucking LOL.

Little Aotearoa – the shit hole that couldn’t.
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February 1, 2021 8:47am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Just had a thought…
  What delivery address did they put on the vaccine order?
  If Aotearoa…….it may never get here.
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:02am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Lol. Probably. In 18 months time the delivery truck is probably somewhere between Panama and Belize trying to find the golden city of Aotearoa.
    
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    February 1, 2021 12:55pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    In all honesty, I would not be surprised if they forgot to fill out the customer paperwork in signing up to the most expensive ( assuming) private contract NZ has ever seen.
    
    Why let a little address worry you now.
    
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    February 1, 2021 3:16pm
Jack5

An interesting comment on reaction to the Banks shock-jock incident was made in General Debate last night. This:

” ….it could have been a perfect opportunity to have Mediaworks bring onto the programme the next day to guest with John Banks for an hour or two, an expert from Māoridom talking about “casual racism” and the wider Oranga Tamariki issue etc.”

Note this was from a poster sufficiently politically aware to insert Maori language macrons on the relevant letters in an English-language coment.

It raises the question: has there been any thorough, probing discussion anywhere of the white purge of Oranga Tamariki?

This has been one of the most interesting Maori wins since Gate Pa, yet where is the discussion? What are the positions of the Opposition political parties? Are they frightened to open their mouths?
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February 1, 2021 8:52am
- Nickc2
  
  To have a contrary view is racist and they will keep reminding you of it whenever you put your head above the parapet. That much is ingrained.
  
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  February 1, 2021 11:45am
Akarak

‘2025: The end of natural gas connections to the grid, or bottled LPG connections.’
Can anyone tell me where I can buy a solar powered BBQ?
How will the banning of bottled LPG connections be implemented for all the homes, restaurants etc that rely on LPG on an island like Waiheke?
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February 1, 2021 8:54am
- niggly
  
  They expect Kiwi’s to use alternative, more expensive, forms of energy instead!!!
  
  I kid you not, that’s what Rod Carr from the Climate Commission said on Morning Report just after 8am!
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018781734/climate-change-commissioner-on-new-report
  
  Unlike Suzie Ferguson, who gave James Shaw an “empathetic” interview just after 7am, I sensed even Corrin Dann was getting somewhat exasperated when he interviewed Carr!
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:14am
- Maxx
  
  Nah mate. Get yourself a charcoal BBQ. Tastes better. Must be better for the environment too?
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:19am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Shsssh, they’ll ban the production of Charcoal when they’re told how it’s made.
    
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    February 1, 2021 12:51pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      What do you thing Charcoal is, Co2 Carbon.
      
      Will definately be banned and Solar cook tops will be all the rage and expected “must have item ” in your EV.
      
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      February 1, 2021 3:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  the public have no idea what awaits them in 4 years’ time
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/the-change-thats-needed-year-by-year
  
  We have until March 14th to provide feedback on the report.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:31am
  - sooty
    
    Each restaurant seat is going to have a set of peddles. If you don’t peddle, your food won’t cook!
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:51am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    Maggy, it reminds me of the Christmas wish lists my sister and I wrote as children. We didn’t hold back in our requests for princess palaces, fairy carriages and abilities to astral travel, all the while expecting the latest board game or something needed for school.
    
    Alarmingly, under this wish-list, my new house, completed Christmas 2019, will be illegal in only 4 years. I will not be able to cook or have hot water. One imagines this will be true for most of the new houses built recently in NZ. I want to laugh but something tells me it’s not a joke.
    
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    February 1, 2021 11:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think your new house will be fine.
      
      Jacinda and Labour can’t afford to upset half a million house-holds.
      
      natural gas reaches homes in the North Island through a piped network, whereas LPG is delivered in bottles. Approximately 450,000 homes and businesses use one of the two gases, according to natural gas network operator First Gas.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/123913736/time-to-ban-new-gas-connections-in-houses
      
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      February 1, 2021 2:41pm
- Yabster
  
  fairly sure its new connections?
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:33am
- JibberJabber
  
  My Barby gets so little use I’ve probably got 3 years supply of gas bottles in the garage.
  On the upside, I can burn tea tree(and other types) in me other one, it always starts off with clouds of smoke that gets the neighbours calling the Fire Dept. ?
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:34am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Guess she didn’t think of that?
  Who am I kidding…THINK….HAHAHA
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:35am
- Max Sky
  
  Not to mention the boat, hot water and cooking? No more Chinese takeaways 🙂 We have just purchased a campervan which effectively is the same. ACT just sent out a letter apparently this bill does away with a lot more than LPG, ‘The report recommends that Government ban petrol cars, gas heating and gas cookers. Ban coal from industry, reduce the number of farm animals by 15 per cent, and make people live in higher density housing (but also build it from wood because cement production is very energy intensive)’. Also ACT says they were the only party who didn’t vote for it! By 2025 we hope this government will be gone.
  
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  February 1, 2021 11:04am
- Nickc2
  
  Does that mean I have to cook on an open fire on my boat? That’ll be fun!
  
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  February 1, 2021 11:48am
- JerJer
  
  I’m looking forward to seeing an electric hangi, and gang members riding around on lime scooters…..
  
  Most of this stuff will simply never happen. They promised a billion native trees last time, and deliverered next to nothing. If they manage a few trees this time, that will probably be the extent of what they will actually do.
  
  NZ is already carbon neutral so the whole thing is pointless. We have massive forests to offset carbon emmissions but we cannot (apparently) count them because they were not planted after 1989. We can only count new forests.
  
  Not sure of the percentage of houses built each year, but the rule says no gas in new homes after 2025, so if we replace 1% of housing stock per year (as an example), gas cooking in homes is not going to disappear for decades, and you can be sure of an exemption of restaurants and all sorts of other things.
  
  Your BBQ won’t disappear either, but, I would like to see everyone that goes camping with their electric BBQ plugged into their Teslas, that would be very amusing to watch. Have they not also considered that many people use our great walks and outdoors, and there are hardly any DOC huts that have power, so you must use gas, or, are we all going to carry around massive big batteries in our packs that we won’t be able to charge up…..
  
  Picking on the dairy industry won’t help either. NZ industry is much more efficient than anywhere else, so if we reduce production, someone else will produce more, and it will produce more so called environmental damage so we will be causing a problem rather than solving one using this idiotic thinking.
  
  Just more virtual signalling.
  
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  February 1, 2021 12:50pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Agreed. And the whole Climate Change™ scam, yes – I’ve called it that for almost a decade now – is predicated on the unproven assertion that increased Co2 levels are catastrophically net detrimental to human existence.
    
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    February 1, 2021 12:56pm
fernglas

“We as a nation have always said that given what we are seeing overseas, we are very willing to be patient.” Really? No-one asked me

The good news around Covid is that all around the world, infections are dropping like a stone. The UK, Spain, India have all dropped 30-50%, in the US, the average number of cases is 30% lower than a week ago. Of course, the experts are rushing in to keep people afraid, but the reality is that for most of the Northern Hemisphere, this virus appears to have run its course, particularly with summer on the way.
Here, on the other hand, we have no infections and therefore no prospect of herd immunity, and our govenment seems happy to stand back and invite others to go first. Siouxsie Wiles in Stuff also supports some form of social contract so healthy young people in rich countries are not getting vaccinated in preference to older, unhealthy people in poorer countries.
New Zealand has the third highest obesity rate in the OECD. Diabetes is three times more likely to occur in Maori and Pasifika populations than in Pakeha. South Asians also have high rates of diabetes.
One in six New Zealanders have respiratory illness. Maori and Pasifika are 2-3 times more likely to be hospitalised for respiratory illness than other groups in the population.
Close to 20% of the population is over 65.
The point is this. We have a much greater vulnerability than almost any other country apart from Australia. If the border cannot be guaranteed to be utterly impregnable, this virus will get out, and will get out again. Why are our politicians sitting back and watching? Why is Ardern not getting Pharmac to move above snail’s pace? Complacency, New Zealand’s greatest character trait, could be leading us to ruin, socially and economically.
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February 1, 2021 9:00am
- fernglas
  
  Medsafe, not Pharmac
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:48am
- Nickc2
  
  Why aren’t we manufacturing the stuff here under license? I believe Australia is tooling up to do so.
  
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  February 1, 2021 12:34pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    NZ does’t have the tech/plant for it.
    
    Canada does, and it used to be both publicly owned and world-class [Connaught Labs], but they sold it under Mulroney’s Govt to private interests.
    
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    February 1, 2021 2:36pm
    - Nickc2
      
      I don’t see that as a problem. We manufactured Agent Orange when there was a requirement (Ivon Watkins Dow did it if I remember correctly, NZ $6.50 per gallon).
      Oh, shit, we’re not allowed to mention that are we.
      
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      February 1, 2021 2:53pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        LOL!!!!!!
        
        Sorry Nick2, I’m not being intentionally rude or dismissive. But quite honestly and for context: I could make Agent Orange in my laundry if I felt so inclined (Hello Interpol, no I won’t do that, its a skillset I’m talking about, not an actual plan. The point of this internet post is to inform others)…
        
        The Moderna or Pfizer vaccine, I could not make even in my professional research lab (Class 2)…
        
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        February 1, 2021 5:14pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Pharmachickx@ 5:14PM
        Thanks but there was a person (presumed an industrial Pharmacist) on TV tonight advocating exactly what I suggested.
        Turn up your Bunson Burner or get out of the game.
        
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        February 1, 2021 8:34pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        William Rolleston arguing that because we produce animal vaccines, we could think about getting into human vaccine production.
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/experts-call-nz-explore-potential-manufacture-covid-19-vaccines
        
        But looks like we are happier to pour money into our Climate emergency…
        
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        February 1, 2021 9:13pm
JibberJabber

TS

“The welfare state is the greatest confidence racket of all time. The government takes your money in taxes and then turns around and spends some of it to give you things. For this, you feel dependent on them, when in fact they are dependent on you.”
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February 1, 2021 9:27am
- Nickc2
  
  Maggy W @9;13PM
  TKS Maggy. We are sick puppies.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It seems strange that the Government releases an important report on the Sunday of a long Weekend.

But it seems to be the way of this Government and the previous CoL that certain news is released at a time when the Media is asleep.
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February 1, 2021 9:28am
- niggly
  
  Good point, I take it then that the PM won’t be fronting any of this today? Presumably because it is Auckland Anniversary Day?
  
  All I’ve heard yesterday and today is James Shaw … but hang on, Greens aren’t part of a coalition government (there isn’t one) so why is his smug and devious face fronting all this ~~mayhem~~ ?!!!
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:36am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  You’ll live a life designated as ‘dignified’ by Marama whether you *#%>ing want to or not…
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:45am
- Tomtoddy
  
  And New Zealand does not get a mention. The only country covered is some place called Aotearoa.
  
  That will be helpful to overseas persons wanting to study what we propose doing to lower the temperature by 0.000025 of a degree.
  
  But, oh the vainglorious chest beating for being the first report to drop that nasty, colonialistic “New Zealand”.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:48am
- JibberJabber
  
  Strange? Standard operating procedure for corrupt and inept Governments.
  They don’t care, like I said yesterday, they know we know they lie, they also know that we can’t do anything about it, given they’ve corrupted the electoral system as well.
  NZers are going to find out shortly the consequences of getting what they wished for.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:52am
Benedict Yu

If I am still in New Zealand I am going to buy a V8 Landcruiser in 2028. The vehicle will outlive me. Or at least my driving years. ?
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February 1, 2021 9:30am
- Nickc2
  
  Good on ya. I will buy the last diesel Land Rover. I’m assuming I can still get diesel for by boat.
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:18am
BeaB

The best thing about the Rod Carr report is that as long as we have Jacinda in charge nothing will be done. Lots of flowery language, lots of earnest looks, lots of reports, but no action.
She will retire to the accolades of an adoring world and then Labour will lambast National for n0t implementing the report while they settle back into their usual indolence in opposition.
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February 1, 2021 9:45am
buzzler

I am working in Canada at present. Will be getting the Covid vaccine in the next couple of weeks. Get back to NZ in March. Will probably be one of the first Kiwis to get the shot. Will let you know if there are any side effects.
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February 1, 2021 9:49am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Please, let us know. Just in case, however, can you also arrange for the administrator of your Estate to let us know of any relevant side effects? (BTW, there is no such thing as a “side effect”, only effects).
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:57am
- NoFax
  
  In theory you shouldn’t need to go into quarantine but I assume you will.
  
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  February 1, 2021 11:01am
  - buzzler
    
    I still need to do 14 days quarantine when I get back. You can still carry the virus even if you have been vaccinated.
    
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    February 1, 2021 11:44am
- MichaelSloan
  
  I had my second moderna two weeks ago. Second shot was like having the flu for 26 hours, including a 101.7 fever.
  
  People I know who have had the virus are reacting to it worse than those who did not have it (Not that I’ve tested positive for the Rona).
  
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  February 1, 2021 11:16am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    Michael, do they test you for HIV after the jabs? Are you given an anti-body test? Do you have to isolate? Can they tell if or when you become immune?
    
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    February 1, 2021 11:39am
    - MS
      
      HIV test? No, they don’t test for HIV after, or for antibodies. I wasn’t in a trial group, just one of the early phases. You wait 15 minutes after, unless you’ve reacted to a vaccine in the past, in which you wait 30 minutes. Similar to a flu shot.
      
      The CDC does online check-ins on how you’re feeling. There is no isolation required, but I did choose to take a sick day out after my second shot due to feeling lousy. First shot left me a little groggy, but not enough to effect my work performance.
      
      For Moderna, the trial found it is 50% effective after 28 days, which is when the second shot is administered, and 95% is reached two weeks after that second shot. Idk if they have updated data since the trial.
      
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      February 1, 2021 1:39pm
- Ian Boag
  
  An extract from an email yesterday from a friend in Canada. A retired 70+ engineer who I befriended at grad school in the 1970’s. His wife (similar age) works as a GP in a tough area.
  
  Go figure ….
  
  We’re still in lock down and new case counts in Ontario are still nearly 2,000/day. Down from post-Christmas 4.000/day but still a long way from zero. We got a token amount of vaccine for long-term care
  residents and workers, but the rest won’t start to arrive until the spring and it’ll be the end of the year before most of us are vaccinated.
  
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  February 1, 2021 11:53am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Yes, Canada’s vaccine supplies are running low, and our next shipment is delayed. I am picking something similar to your friend… December at least.
    
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    February 1, 2021 1:01pm
- Paulus
  
  Both my wife’s brothers and their wives have been vaccinated second time in the UK – ten days ago.
  
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  February 1, 2021 1:36pm
Benedict Yu

Oh the irony.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-deeply-concerned-jacinda-ardern-calls-eus-vaccine-export-move-wrong/XGXQOEILKCROAZ72EQWKKDNBTI/

Jacinda gets a frowny face because the EU has restricted the covid vaccine exports. She says countries should not decide this. It should be up to the drug companies.

Well good luck with that. This is a person who is happy to ban petrol powered cars from entering New Zealand. Hey Jacinda.. How about the car manufacturers decide which cars to export to New Zealand?
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February 1, 2021 9:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

“O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An’ foolish notion.”
-Burns (of course)

Dumb assed Kiwis could do whatever they wanted and it would not make a fart of a difference.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/31/new-zealand-government-proposes-breeding-gigantic-cattle-to-defeat-climate-change/
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February 1, 2021 9:57am
- JibberJabber
  
  Lol, I just had a brainwave last night in response to Jacindas decree that farmers are to reduce their herd size by 15% and told the Mrs that we could increase our herd by 75% just by renting out our small Life block for grazing to a farmer that wants to keep his numbers.
  (still a work in progress) details just have to be nutted out. ?
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:10am
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.slowfood.com/hitlers-bovine-legacy/
  They are called Heck Cattle, and were named after the two zoologist brothers who bred them under the Nazi-Funded project. Although the Heck brothers did successfully breed an animal that resembled the aurochs, the Heck Cattle are much smaller and are genetically far removed from aurochs.
  
  Could be a political nightmare.
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:20am
KiwiSapper

What is generally regarded as our local council here in Wanganui without an “h”, has been spending rate money on non core activities for years. Most always run at a loss but the egos’ must be stroked so they barge ahead. Finally one of the worst is going belly up and the local “newspaper” ran a front page article exhorting “local leaders” to do their best to save it. from debt, bankruptcy and loss. This non core activity is a flying school which the council bought when it was going helly up . Yup, they knew that.
Since then the council has also bought two large local building, a mtor inn and a religious retreat to house the students .
Now because of Covid, the school is running short of pupils, most of whom are overseas students and we are told that the school wants to bring in 80 students from India, one of the hottest of the Covid areas.

In view of the total absence of the most simplest example of common sense, words fail me.
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February 1, 2021 9:58am
- Ian Boag
  
  Bullshit. The flying school was not going belly up. The owner wanted to retire. I know him. I know the Feilding flying thing.
  
  They bought an existing flying school in Feilding that had good contacts into India and a steady stream of students. They built a hangar and upgraded the aircraft inventory to deal with projected increases in student numbers.
  
  I think the idea was to get some more utilisation of the airport. So far so good. They did it properly – bought a motel etc to house the students etc etc
  
  Then along came covid.
  
  Which bit of all this did they get wrong …. ?
  
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  December 1, 2019 7:25pm
Nickc2

A few points to ponder:
If you want to know how frequent use of words, phrases and lies work, just do a find [Ctrl f] on this page and see how many times the word Aotearoa is used in lieu of NZ or New Zealand.
Similarly, the phrase Climate Change is now used in most MSM-produced stuff as a lead item.
Then there are the lies. Hardly a day goes by without some if not all MSM outlets propagating lies about Cindy’s magnificence.
All these actions have an influence on our kids/grandkids, their conversations, comprehension and attitudes.
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February 1, 2021 10:05am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something new for Jaspinda.”I’ll have to circle back to you”
How long until she plagiarises it?
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February 1, 2021 10:21am
- oldfella
  
  Steve: ‘Circle back to you.’ An ideal expression for Glorious Leader to adopt.
  Meaningless, but sounds like action will follow. Which it won’t.
  And we don’t have to spent millions for our leader’s PR team to develop it.
  Maybe a small royalty to Hunter Biden would suffice, and he can then sent a cut to the Big Guy (his father, who knows a thing or two about plagiarism).
  
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  February 1, 2021 10:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jen Psaki
    
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    February 1, 2021 11:20am
    - oldfella
      
      Steve, I realise it’s from Psaki (Biden’s new mouthpiece), and she’s using that expression all the time.
      Hey, give her a cut as well, and whoever on her downline came up with that expression.
      Like Multi Level Marketing, eh?
      
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      February 1, 2021 12:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wonder if circling back makes you dizzy?
  
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  February 1, 2021 11:51am
  - sooty
    
    Don’t know, but she is ditzy!
    
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    February 1, 2021 12:23pm
Happychappy

Are we back to the usual when asking every time a Labour Government gets to control the purse strings of Treasury, whom is running this Country the Council of Trade Unions or Labour.
The Trade Unions say that now workers are having their sick leave doubled that all new workers should also get sick leave and Parliament should ditch the rule that requires workers to be employed for six months before they are able to access sick leave.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/new-workers-should-also-get-sick-leave-council-trade-unions-says
The Unions, Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson are hell bent on destroying businesses in New Zealand.
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February 1, 2021 10:26am
MCos

Here’s an article from the Daily Beast you can make your own minds up about.
Is the whole thing bullshit? A bit of googling will probably help there.
Is the guy on the right track or is he disillusioned?
That this question even needs to be asked is troubling.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/wisconsin-vaccine-saboteur-steven-brandenburg-is-a-flat-earther-fbi-document-reveals
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February 1, 2021 10:36am
Maggie Pie

A couple of my partners business associates joined us for dinner last night. They spent most of the night talking about the money that’s been made buying something called ‘Gamestop’. I suggested they bring their wives next time. Although one of them raised a very interesting question, “Who snorted the airline stocks before 911 ?”
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February 1, 2021 10:37am
- Yabster
  
  snorted or shorted…
  
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  February 1, 2021 12:52pm
Captain Mainwaring

So some Air NZ crews are objecting to having to crew quarantine flights between NZ cities.
Hope they can spare a thought for all their colleagues who don’t even have jobs anymore.
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February 1, 2021 10:37am
Fletch

I heard James Shaw being interviewed on NewsTalkZB this morning about the new climate report, and Mike Yardly asked him the question about what we’re going to do with all of these batteries that have a limited lifespan and can’t be recycled? Shaw basically said it was early days and that by the time it rolled around he hoped that a solution would be found.

Mike: let me just run through a few sources of concern which I know are triggering a lot of discussion […] When the rubber hits the road here James, what the hell are we going to do with all these batteries? People are struggling to get an answer that is satisfactory on that.

Shaw: Well, it’s because it is a very new technology and here in New Zealand we do not yet have means for recycling of batteries. The good news is it’s at least 10 years before the battery in a vehicle gets to the end of its life and in the last term of govt we did set up a product stewardship scheme to manage that. So, I’m pretty confident that as with most new technologies that we will be able to find ways of reprocessing and recycling.

https://weekondemand.newstalkzb.co.nz/WeekOnDemand/ZB/auckland/2021.02.01-07.30.00-D.mp3 (discussion starts around 7 mins in).

In other words, it’s all based on wishful thinking. Let’s just start the programme now and hope that a solution is found in the future to the massive problem it presents. After all, we’ve got 10 years to fix it, and it will be hunky dory by then. This is not the way you enact a policy that is going to affect the whole country – on pie-in-the-sky hopes and dreams. It’s par-for-the-course for greens and other liberals though. Pushing through policy that sounds nice but which is not practical ion the real world. They are dreaming. And it will kill our economy.
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February 1, 2021 10:38am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s a non-issue. A dead EV battery will have $1000’s in valuable metals (Lithium, Cobalt, Nickel, Manganese, Copper, even Steel and Aluminium) in highly concentrated form sitting inside it which there will be no shortage of enterprises interested in recycling for profit. But aside from that end of life EV batteries that are still functional will be put into peoples houses to provide backup power and allow them to go off grid more cheaply.
  
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  February 1, 2021 11:47am
  - Fletch
    
    From what I’ve read, very little is recyclable and most likely they will be dumped.
    
    https://www.nationalobserver.com/2021/01/21/opinion/electric-cars-have-dirty-little-recycling-problem-their-batteries
    
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    February 1, 2021 2:31pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Sweet. Please dump them all at my place so that I can become a billionaire in a few years. When there are 100’s of thousands of tonnes of dead batteries to process and billions to be made off recovery of the materials from this source profitable separation and refining processes will be developed at lightening speed. You can bet your arse that there are already numerous companies developing the tech and patenting the bejesus out of it in anticipation.
      
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      February 1, 2021 3:12pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Used in solar/wind setups. A battery that is too stuffed for car use has another 10-20 years in the off-grid world. You can just keep stacking them up …
      
      So that can is kicked a long way down the road
      
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      February 1, 2021 4:30pm
      - DeepBlue
        
        If off grid, as I am, I still need LPG for cooking (stovetop and oven) and supplementary heating. Is it the expectation that I use a biomass ‘coal’ range?
        
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        February 1, 2021 4:56pm
- JackRabbit
  
  In other words Shaw is hoping that in 10 or 20 years time it will be someone else’s problem.
  
  “So, I’m pretty confident that as with most new technologies that we will be able to find ways of reprocessing and recycling.”
  
  Isn’t that the same attitude of polluters that James Shaw despises? Aren’t the problems we face with pollution showing us we do not always have answers to reprocessing and recycling, or that the solution lags behind the problem?
  
  Isn’t reprocessing and recycling something you engage with and design at the outset, not after a mountain of toxic waste has accumulated?
  
  Is not the plastic bag ban a result and knee-jerk reaction to not having reprocessing and recycling set up for plastic bags? Which in reality is a very tiny problem compared to Lithium Ion batteries.
  
  Will James Shaw’s solution to reprocessing and recycling Lithium Ion batteries be to ban Lithium Batteries in 10 or 20 years time?
  
  James Shaw blinkered approach identifies him as being 6 cans short of a six pack. What is worse is he does not know it.
  
  If he had a couple of cans he would be pushing right now for more Hydro, at the very least, just to cover domestic consumption, let alone Electric cars. Especially as hydro takes years to ramp up.
  
  This is just an excuse for the power elite to indulge in new Technology. Give him a Toyota Yaris to drive. He deserves nothing better than that.
  
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  February 1, 2021 12:40pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “Give him a Toyota Yaris to drive.”
    The idiot doesn’t drive.
    
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    February 1, 2021 2:56pm
oldfella

Make sure you’re not drinking anything when you read this story about the new US VP’s stepdaughter, then next ‘supermodel’. You’ve been warned.
http://www.michellesmirror.com/2021/01/its-all-rigged.html#.YBckEy2caqA
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February 1, 2021 11:04am
- Don Beckett
  
  Heavens above – she’s plain and geeky.
  My 6 grandaughters would leave her for dead – the youngest at 16 already has a modelling contract.
  
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  February 1, 2021 11:32am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I’m liking the dairy cow tattoo on the arm.
    Might get one.
    @Cowslivesmatter
    
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    February 1, 2021 1:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Looks methed up to me
  
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  February 1, 2021 11:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I love the Holstein tattoo on her arm.
  Someone needs to invite her to NZ to promote our milk to the USA.
  
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  February 1, 2021 1:43pm
- DeepBlue
  
  I’m not buying from that brand. Something is not wholesome.
  
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  February 1, 2021 5:00pm
lazza

Collins urges her fellow Nat MP’s ” to trust each other.

HAHH.

What a deluded hypocrite
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February 1, 2021 11:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

20million Covid vaccines gone missing in the US. What’s the bet that a crooked Democrat has sold them and channeled the funds to their bank?
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February 1, 2021 11:17am
- JibberJabber
  
  Where’s Hunter?
  
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  February 1, 2021 11:50am
- oldfella
  
  Anyone check Hunter’s laptop?
  
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  February 1, 2021 12:04pm
- sooty
  
  Cindy’s bought them, she got a good deal!
  These ones don’t require refrigeration even!
  
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  February 1, 2021 12:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cheap because they are placebos? Right out of the Labour instruction manual
    
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    February 1, 2021 1:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

In the US, flu has almost been eliminated.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/miracle-23-americans-tested-positive-flu-last-week-compared-14657-cases-reported-last-year-time/?
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February 1, 2021 11:40am
I remember when

‘Bloody Challenging: Greens say climate report targets ‘achievable’ but farmers anticipate tough changes.’
The difference is that the farmers actually have to do something to make them work.
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February 1, 2021 11:45am
- Paulus
  
  Farmer could split his farm in two, each his and the other hers, and split the cows so each can reduce their herds by 15%.
  Can of course divide farms more.
  
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  February 1, 2021 1:42pm
Inandout

Texas has legislated to retain their oil industry but Dem states with oil on Federal land are rooted. Good old No Jobs Biden has spread buyers remorse.
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February 1, 2021 12:13pm
Maggie Pie

OH and by the way …..
a pinch and a punch

WHITE RABBITS! 😀
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February 1, 2021 12:31pm
Benedict Yu

What is the point of using money raised through taxes to subsidise electric vehicles? Someone on a low to middle income who can’t afford a $50,000 EV will not be able to afford a $45,000 EV either. All such a scheme does is provide a subsidy from people in South Auckland to people in wealthy areas who would buy an EV anyway. People in South Auckland spend $5,000 to $10,000 on a car and they are not getting an EV for that money.

This is what the Climate Change Commission says:

“The main challenge currently is the upfront cost of purchasing an electric vehicle, which is more expensive than the internal combustion engine equivalents. For example, the cheapest new electric vehicles on the market in Aotearoa cost around $50,000. Owning an electric vehicle today is challenging for those living in areas of high s ocial deprivation and those on a lower income. Lower socioeconomic groups may not prioritise such a purchase. For people for whom access to electric vehicles will be challenging, good access to public transport is particularly important. New Zealanders living in areas rated high on the deprivation index would benefit from investment to improved public transport, particularly in areas such as West and South Auckland.”

https://ccc-production-media.s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/public/evidence/advice-report-DRAFT-1ST-FEB/Evidence-CH-04b-Reducing-emissions-Transport-and-buildings-20-Jan-2021.pdf

So, there you have it. Low income people who cannot afford an EV will need to switch to catching the bus.

(I note also that the name of our country “New Zealand” has been expunged from the report.)
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February 1, 2021 12:42pm
- cmm
  
  When are EVs going to start paying road user charges?
  
  When that happens the EV equation is going to be very different.
  
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  February 1, 2021 1:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    EV owners are the same as cyclists. Entitled coz they are doing their bit for climate change. The peasants can pay
    
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    February 1, 2021 1:47pm
    - Jack5
      
      CMM makes a good point. Petrol and diesel-powered vehicles finance the national road network.
      
      Meanwhile I see Benedict’s been to Aotearoa. Are they quarantining visitors from New Zealand, Benedict?
      
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      February 1, 2021 1:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Correct. Any idea how much it costs to fill a Land Cruiser and a 125L boat tank with petrol? Then you have to fill the fuckers again just before getting home.
        
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        February 1, 2021 3:19pm
      - sooty
        
        Let alone food and drinks for the trip!
        
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        February 1, 2021 4:02pm
- Littletramp
  
  Lefties don’t understand that Government paid employees & contractors, are not taxpayers. It’s why they never get the numbers right.
  They also do not yet recognise the extent of the demographics problem, with more people retiring from taxpaying jobs, living longer lives, drawing sueprannuation, using healthcare etc at the same time as NZ’s real tax paying workforce is shrinking.
  Once the penny drops, nail down your assets as they will be coming hard for them
  
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  February 1, 2021 1:20pm
Jack5

?Lefties sort out a leader for National …

On the Radio New Zealand political panel this morning, Neale Jones, formerly chief of staff to Jacinda Ardern, and before that to Andrew Little:

“Chris Luxon, for example, will be very aware that the next leader of the National Party who becomes Prime Minister will have a twenty-first century view of climate change.”
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February 1, 2021 12:46pm
- krazykiwi
  
  National: Chasing left-moving voters like dogs chase cars.
  
  Disclosure: I’ve voted National in 77% of election I’ve been eligible to vote in. No more though.
  
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  February 1, 2021 1:01pm
  - Tall Man
    
    So who? ardern or a wasted vote on another minority party like ACT ….. that also has a similar view on climate change and was more than happy to put the boot into Chris Liddell.
    
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    February 1, 2021 2:20pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      It’s a good question, and I don’t have an answer. It would naturally have been ACT, but Seymour’s utterly ridiculous assertion that ‘the only way to stop another lockdowns is to mandate tracking of free citizens’ was a circuit-breaker for me.
      
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      February 1, 2021 3:40pm
- Littletramp
  
  Luxon looks to be a bigger woke poofter than the bloke currently at the head of our police.
  If National choose to stand behind Luxon we have lost the plot.
  Can’t they find someone with some common sense?
  
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  February 1, 2021 1:09pm
  - Batman
    
    Calling the Christian conservative Luxon a woke poofter is stretching the bounds of reality somewhat…
    
    And close to moderation territory for the use of poofter.
    
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    February 1, 2021 1:31pm
    - sooty
      
      If the name fits!
      
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      February 1, 2021 2:11pm
greybeard

Another non-sensical Stuff headline:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/americas-cup/124110449/americas-cup-british-believe-team-new-zealand-can-be-beaten
For God’s sake Stuff, if the British didn’t believe NZ could be beaten why are they here competing ?
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February 1, 2021 12:58pm
- cmm
  
  A nice paid for holiday in the wonderful South Pacific. What’s not to like?
  
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  February 1, 2021 1:05pm
Tony Stuart

Why is TVNZ bringing back The Apprentice, given:

*The crash and burn of former Apprentice frontman Terry Serepisos, and
*The link in most people’s minds between The Apprentice, and Donald Trump, who TVNZ spent four years denigrating every night?
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February 1, 2021 1:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Play school TVNZ clickbait to keep the TDS ball rolling – and divert you away from Govt fuckups
  
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  February 1, 2021 1:49pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/TTYA5RMXn64/
Apple v Zuckerdroid.

Apple have just blocked FB data gathering from iPhones. It’s
Not like they give a rip about privacy. They just want FB to pay
for the info.
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February 1, 2021 1:32pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4suy6q8mJg

The burden of being a White American in Biden’s America.

Whites are expected to be viciously incarcerated for having a certain set of thoughts, ideologies and belief systems, which a liberal Biden administration is going to walk all over during the next four years.
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February 1, 2021 1:32pm
- Batman
  
  Oh boo hoo, you’re mad that being a racist white supremacist and/or seditionist will receive the appropriate treatment?
  
  I suspect you’ll find little sympathy outside of your fellow travellers.
  
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  February 1, 2021 1:43pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Oh boo hoo, you’re mad that being a racist white supremacist and/or seditionist will receive the appropriate treatment?”
    
    Once again Batman you exercise your right to make an insulting reply, something many of us seem to be denied.
    
    The point that you miss is the “who”. Who decides you are those things? Someoone like yourself? You get to select my values?
    
    Not in my world sunshine.
    
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    February 1, 2021 2:17pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I think all KB posters should be moderators. Makes it fair …..
      
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      February 1, 2021 3:21pm
    - curry4me
      
      Tall Man: Naughty Mr TFI for exposing globalist double standards, and me for re-posting it.
      White people need to………. It’d be racist if you added another skin color to the beginning of the sentence.
      
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      February 1, 2021 9:15pm
Chuck Bird

Hipkins asked New Zealanders to show some kindness and respect and said it was “never anybody’s fault” if they caught Covid-19.

The above is from today’s Herald. This is total bullshit. It can be people fault if they spread Covid-19 and also people fault if the catch Covid-19. It can also be Hipkins’ fault if people catch Covid-19 due not having correct procedures in place.
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February 1, 2021 1:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Chippie is part of Labour – never ever at fault
  
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  February 1, 2021 3:22pm
- Ceepar
  
  Telling the public that we are blaming people for getting Covid. Telling us that is what we are doing. Once again BS from Chris Hipkins. Trying to deflect attention away from their inadequacies.
  
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  February 1, 2021 5:43pm
  - Nickc2
    
    It’s the Marxist way.
    
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    February 1, 2021 8:51pm
- MCos
  
  Poor old Sir Captain Tom Moore.
  Should have taken more care, it seems.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:36pm
Jack5

The Burmese leader Aung San Suu Kyi has been arrested by the military.

The winner of the 1991 Peace Prize, she fell out of favour internationally over Burma/Myanmar’s persecution of the Rohingya Muslim minority ( persecution of the bigger Christian minority over a previous half-century drew little international attention).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55882489
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February 1, 2021 2:12pm
- Master Mariner
  
  See that.
  Back into Yangon this week then back out.
  
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  February 1, 2021 3:45pm
- Mike
  
  Perhaps she can go back to being an imprisoned symbol of democratic hope rathet than presiding over genocide.
  
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  February 1, 2021 4:19pm
krazykiwi

Britain is taking advantage of its newfound autonomy from the EU to apply for membership of the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).
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February 1, 2021 2:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep…
  thank goodness the Atlantic is teleconnected to the Pacific.
  
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  February 1, 2021 4:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Military coup underway in Myanmar

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/31/aung-san-suu-kyi-ruling-party-leaders-detained-in-myanmar
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February 1, 2021 2:45pm
Suze Wainwright

Will this year be Cindy’s year of greenwash…?

Climate change is an ideal topic for a Comms graduate
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February 1, 2021 3:04pm
Maggie Pie

A couple of years back, my partner’s mum nearly got sucked in by a Nigerian Prince, who was very very keen to marry her.
All she had to do was deposit 80k into his lawyers Trust account, and that would free up the release USD 18mill to Ma’s nominated bank for safekeeping. She’d then receive First Class air tickets to Lagos for the wedding.
Luckily she smelt a rat and never went ahead.

Unlike Suzi Devine that is, who just happens to be Joe Biden’s new appointment to head up the ‘United States Labor Department’.
Have you ever thought women who actually fall for those sort of scams, all seem to have a ‘certain look’ about them?

Just saying….LOL!!

https://twitter.com/FogCityMidge/status/1356048901141262338
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February 1, 2021 3:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But hey,
  Nigerian cyber-fraudsters need to eat, you know.
  
  https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/may/25/how-missed-red-flags-helped-nigerian-fraud-ring-sc/
  
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  February 1, 2021 3:54pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    True dat 😛
    
    My partner reckons it’d be drop in the ocean to what Labor paid out las year with the wage subsidy. lol!
    
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    February 1, 2021 4:03pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Respec the Diversitah, bigot!
  
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  February 1, 2021 4:26pm
Maggie Pie

And here’s another thing…..
Imagine what you’d say to this guy, if you had absolutely NO idea who he was, and he tried to pick you up in a bar 🙁

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1356067889376337922
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February 1, 2021 4:11pm
New Zealander

So there you have it.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-set-to-abolish-local-veto-on-councils-maori-wards/

This is exactly why we should all be opposed to race-based seats and wards.
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February 1, 2021 4:17pm
jon

Its OFFICIAL per wonder minister Mahuta that voters can no longer object to Maori wards on local councils..no surprise..guess Cindy will be thinking the move will be missed in the wake of the Carr climate report.
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February 1, 2021 4:22pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124111313/government-dumps-law-threatening-mori-wards-halts-petitions
Racism ( anti-white ) and separatism are alive and well in NZ.
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February 1, 2021 4:27pm
- New Zealander
  
  And supported by this blog, of course. The absolute weakness shown from National over the past three years has allowed this to happen. Now they want to stand candidates in Maori seats to virtue signal to people who have absolutely no intention of voting for them. We have three years to save this country from becoming an apartheid-state.
  
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  February 1, 2021 4:49pm
- Tall Man
  
  It’s bloody ridiculous.
  
  If you want to have a voice in council, stand for council.
  
  They want a voice but are too lazy to either stand or motivate their “people” to vote for them.
  
  Just like work, don’t want to work but want money to buy stuff.
  
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  February 1, 2021 6:48pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Shit. I just upticked TM. He of course could also give us a chance to pt him into parliament …. 🙂
    
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    February 1, 2021 7:46pm
  - Nickc2
    
    This should be given more exposure than it currently is. This removes democracy from local body elections when a non-standing seeker of office can be appointed without votes merely on the basis of skin colour or persuasion.
    IT STINKS OF CORRUPTION.
    The Labour Govt. Maori Caucus must be held to account.
    
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    February 1, 2021 9:07pm
- Jack5
  
  Mahuta has the nerve to rule out local-body voter referendums then say in her announcement of this:
  
  “Maori and non-Maori across New Zealand have been calling for these changes for some time, including the recent presentation of two petitions with more than 11,000 signatures to Parliament.”
  
  Only pro-Maori petitions count! This is apartheid. Whites purged from leadership of the country’s prime welfare agency and next day Maori are awarded super-status in local bodies.
  
  Citizens can demonstrate anger about this by organising for next year’s local body elections. Throw out the trash whose moves, now immune from citizen challenge, overturn democratic representation.
  
  Local bodies are mostly dominated by Leftists and Greens thanks to lack of interest from most citizens. Fellow plebs, it’s time to wake and fight..
  
  Leftists screw ratepayers up and down the country as they splash rates on cycle ways, Maori renaming, street art and other elitist toys, and fund super-corporate size PR staffs.
  
  Out with them! Then out with the Prime Comrade — if she isn’t hired first by the United Nations.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:07pm
KH

The death of democracy. Yes, they will allow you to vote, but not if you vote the ‘wrong way’.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124111313/government-dumps-law-threatening-mori-wards-halts-petitions
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February 1, 2021 4:34pm
Pharmachick

JFC… just as many people are criticizing the USA for being “undemocratic”…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124111313/government-dumps-law-threatening-mori-wards-halts-petitions
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February 1, 2021 5:23pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  TBH I’m kind of pleased. If they keep going like this they should over reach and suffer a backlash in the polls.
  
  And if they don’t, well that is democracy. I just can’t see me staying in New Zealand.
  
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  February 1, 2021 5:40pm
- Inandout
  
  Pharma, the moment my council goes unelected Maori will be the last time I vote locally.
  
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  February 1, 2021 6:37pm
  - Jack5
    
    That is the wrong decision, Inandout.
    
    Surely, you want to sweep out the Leftists who are dominating local bodies, enabled by low voter interest?
    
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    February 1, 2021 8:25pm
Inandout

How close is Hunter Biden to Lady Gaga?
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/601752905db3705aa0a820d4
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February 1, 2021 6:41pm
- Nickc2
  
  Close enough for STDs I believe.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:28pm
Don Beckett

Biden is recycling the Obama – Biden green energy plan from the 2008 election – it didn’t work then, and it won’t work now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOCLfuMCyIE&feature=emb_title
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February 1, 2021 7:30pm
surfing

Was listening to Mahuta and her sidekick on TV tonight.

Mahuta’s verbal english is poor. I’m nervous about her intellectual ability.
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February 1, 2021 7:45pm
- Jack5
  
  But is Jacinderella putting Mahuta forward to draw fire as Labour brings apartheid into our local bodies?
  
  Both need to be thrown out of Parliament.
  
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  February 1, 2021 8:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She’s got an MA(hons) from Auckland Uni.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:24pm
gump

There’s a new Roy Morgan poll out today.

I’m surprised that DPF hasn’t blogged about it. But perhaps not surprising when you see how badly National is polling:

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8629-nz-national-voting-intention-january-2021-202102010459
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February 1, 2021 8:12pm
- Inandout
  
  gump, a government which does nothing, takes huge breaks and spouts climate floss occasionally can’t be accused of anything bad. As time drags on however the wonder economy we are told exists in NZ, where new buildings are growing like mushrooms, and you can’t get a tradie..well it just can’t last.
  
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  February 1, 2021 9:02pm
Fletch

Trump in Mar-a-Lago circa 2017. It was to be known as the Winter White House before Trump bought it, as it was to be used a a secondary location or something. It even has “a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) for communications with the White House Situation Room and Pentagon”.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/063/978/788/original/8a4cf4ba1db8c815.jpeg
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