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Simon

Green Jobs Revolution

“Maggot Handler” at insect burger factory
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January 29, 2021 8:05am
Frank the tank

As (little) Aotearoa continues its march towards becoming a third world shit hole our dear leader sees the most pressing issue of the day to buy more expensive electric cars.

At least alcohol numbs the pain………….
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January 29, 2021 8:06am
- G152
  
  Fueled by coal powered power stations.
  Talk about getting rid of pollution
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Power stations fueled by coal from Indonesia?
    
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    January 29, 2021 8:44am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      Dirty low grade coal from Indonesia.
      
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      January 29, 2021 10:50am
      - Tomtoddy
        
        Costing us big dollars damaging our trade balance and chugging through ship fuel oil which the same thicko’s claim is ruining the planet.
        
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        January 29, 2021 12:29pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Sorry Tom, Reported by mistake.
        Another thing about Ships fuel (Low sulphur) NZ still has’nt signed it. Marpol annex VI.
        ever wonder why Rena was left on Astrolabe reef ?
        Heres why.
        https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&rlz=1C1GCEU_en__881__881&ei=WWcTYM6kHIGWsAfBmZHYCw&q=wreck+removal+nairobi+convention&oq=wreck+removal+convention&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgYIABAHEB4yAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyBAgAEB4yBAgAEB4yBAgAEB46BwgAEEcQsANQ-0xYvV9g5nJoAXACeACAAYEIiAGwOpIBBTYtNy4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBCMABAQ&sclient=psy-ab
        NZ only signed it after the event.
        We really have No experience at the top of these organisations, all filled with “pencil pushers”.
        Go on about clean NZ,
        
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        January 29, 2021 2:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Apparently it is trucked from Tauranga to Huntly. Not sure though.
      More fuel wasted
      
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      January 29, 2021 1:34pm
      - Paulus
        
        Indonesian Coal is rail shipped from Mt Maunganui in special Coal Rail trucks – covered to help keep pollution low.
        
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        January 29, 2021 2:13pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Woah. Huntley uses something like 100kg Coal a second to produce rated 1000MW, so that would need a truck every 5 minutes delivering coal.
        
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        January 29, 2021 3:15pm
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        My train spotter mate tells me there are at least two coal trains per day.
        
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        January 29, 2021 4:58pm
  - Ruahine
    
    I know more than one or two people who like to sing at the top of there voices of the wonderful fact that the Power Generation in NZ is almost totally fossil fuel free and how wonderful it is that we have so much renewable Hydro. These are the same people who back in the day were yelling and shouting and carrying out disruptive and criminal acts because Benmore, Manapouri and the Clyde Dams were being built. Thank goodness for those people in charge back in the day with courage and foresight. When I travel around Central Otago and especially the town of Cromwell and Alexandria I just marvel at those beautiful blue lakes.
    
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    January 29, 2021 9:36am
- kowtow
  
  Cactus Kate ; Reserve Bank , in this age of Covid , hiring a Diversity advisor .
  
  No shit.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:32am
  - JibberJabber
    
    https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-reserve-banks-bold-answer-to.html
    
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    January 29, 2021 8:44am
  - colina
    
    For all to read so much kindness
    https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-reserve-banks-bold-answer-to.html
    
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    January 29, 2021 9:02am
    - doublehappy
      
      Colina, please tell me this is false news. Our government is following the USA leadership of Cancel, Breed racial hate, Join the CCP, Frighten people into obeying, Get offside with our neighbours and closest friends. I can’t believe the majority of people are so naive. Please tell me it’s a joke!
      
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      January 29, 2021 11:25am
  - Positan
    
    In the Believe It or Not how-useless-can-you-get category: Dear wee Nelson’s further-way-out-than-the-fairies city council, responsible for a mere 1/10,000th of the world’s total landmass – 447 square kilometres – is squandering ratepayers’ funds with its employment of a ‘Climate Change Champion.”
    
    Surely it could have blown those funds far more productively with say, a city council chief taster of puddings?
    
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    January 29, 2021 9:09am
    - rangitoto
      
      Then they will set up a department and hire 300 staff.
      
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      January 29, 2021 11:15am
- Simon
  
  NZ economy is debt, housing, immigration and shopping malls.
  
  The ever dwindling real productive economy like farming is loathed by ruling class.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:42am
  - sooty
    
    Why do you need farmers, when you can buy whatever you need at the supermarket?
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:14am
    - giltee
      
      SOOTY I’m sure a lot of the 50% believe that otherwise how else could they’ve voted for Cindy and her band of clowns.
      
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      January 29, 2021 2:13pm
- Tall Man
  
  “At least alcohol numbs the pain………….”
  
  At 8:06 AM …….. You’re the man 😉
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:38am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Sheeple approve that. So what is your point Frank the tank?
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:44am
  - Frank the tank
    
    LOL – observation only.
    
    I prefer the term (little) Aotearoans to sheeple – ours have some unique characteristics much like our flora and fauna.
    
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    January 29, 2021 11:57am
- Jim
  
  Looks like the U.S auto industry is taking cues from our dear leader.
  G.M. Will Sell Only Zero-Emission Vehicles by 2035
  
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  January 29, 2021 2:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Norway, that EV darling of the dewy-eyed, but otherwise brain-dead lefties has just granted 61 new offshore oil and gas exploration licenses.
  
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  January 29, 2021 2:41pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    yes they put the tender out, Fully booked by all accounts.
    NZ is known amongst big Oil that it is closed for business.
    But thats ok, We get cheap oil from shit box countries and rules. Absolute negligence and zero Fuel security.
    Every fuel source has to be imported, Shit Indo coal, meantime NZ coal premium prices overseas.
    
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    January 29, 2021 2:48pm
    - Nickc2
      
      How many days of fuel (diesel, petrol, avgas and oil) does NZ have in reserve without resupply? I believe it’s about 10 days but can’t confirm.
      We could have been somewhat self-sufficient but our pro-Chinese Govt. shut this option down.
      Why was that do you think, given the Damien O’conner suck up to the Chinese at the expense 0f our last remaining Allie?
      
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      January 29, 2021 9:39pm
Scott

I predicted that CNN would get rid of their display which occupies half of the screen, giving the Covid death totals. Only my timing was slightly out. I predicted that when Joe Biden was elected president then CNN would get rid of the death totals. It actually turns out the day that Joe Biden was inaugurated as president. Watch CNN now. No death totals of Covid. The Covid crisis presumably is over now that Joe Biden is Pres?

I also see that the blue states, like California, are now reopening. No explanation has been given according to local sources. The virus rates don’t seem to be any different than before. Presumably it’s because Joe Biden is Pres that it is now safe to reopen the state and resume normal life?

Is it possible that when Donald Trump was president CNN focused on Covid to create a sense of crisis? Is it possible that the blue states stayed shut when Donald Trump was president for political reasons? That if they opened up then the economy would start booming again and Trump might be re-elected?

Some would say Scott, a pandemic is a serious thing, a life-and-death thing, no governor or cable news channel would put political gains over lives? I would answer, yes they would.

Liberal progressives hate Donald Trump so much, they are so obsessed with politics, that it is life-and-death for them. They would do anything to get rid of Donald Trump, including fake news, fear porn about the virus and keeping their state shutdown for ever until Donald Trump is driven from office. That is exactly who these people are.

For liberal progressives politics is like a religion. And they will do anything for their religion.
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January 29, 2021 8:19am
- RiP NZ
  
  Democrats are the devil.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:45am
- Inandout
  
  Scott, what amazes me is how easily our resident Trump haters were taken in by the spin. Liberals appear to lack the ability to sort the wheat from the chaff.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:51am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. There are none so blind as those that will not see. Blinded by their hate, blinkered by prejudice, and really fed up with the unfairness of Trump being in charge.
    
    To be fair, being incredibly thick probably got them off to a good start.
    
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    January 29, 2021 8:08pm
- SGA
  
  The virus rates don’t seem to be any different than before.
  
  The first bar chart on this page (you have to scroll down a bit) looks to me to show quite a significant decrease in infection rates over the last two weeks. Not so?
  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/california/
  Of course, all these data were probably faked by Dominion, Chavez, Soros, or somebody, so you are probably right.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:13am
  - fernglas
    
    California has about halved in the last two weeks, as has the UK, India and parts of Europe. Perhaps the virus is a Democrat? Or has the sacrifice of Trump appeased the gods?
    
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    January 29, 2021 12:17pm
  - Local Miller
    
    One needs to look at states other than California, and go to the CDC data to get a better picture of the trends. Have a look at this site https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases
    Some states (like Nebraska) have seen cases dropping since November, and in some places to a 5th of their November levels.
    Maybe the cases started dropping because Biden won the election. /sarc
    
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    January 29, 2021 3:45pm
- tf78
  
  Next week they will announce that COVID is actually the flu and the vaccines people are receiving are actually Tami-Flu shots.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:22am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Now Trump is gone American Journal of Medicine decides it is politically OK to publish studies on life saving potential of Hydroxychloroquine, (about 2/3rds reduction in deaths) and Facebook stops censoring people who talk of it’s efficacy. 300000 Americans have died since Trump promoted it and triggered Orange man bad opposition, perhaps 200k could have been saved if Big tech, media and medical establishment weren’t homicidally partisan. https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(20)30673-2/fulltext
  
  And Ivermectin looks to be gaining traction in the west – with large scale studies being started. It has already found widespread favour in the 3rd world with great efficacy reported in 35 all-positive studies to date https://ivmmeta.com/. Likely to be another giant black mark against the medical establishment as their failure to act on reports of its benefit over last six months appears to have led to unnecessary deaths of close to a million people.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:25am
  - Overworked
    
    This is a publication-for-payment journal. Despite the important sounding title, it’s not worth the paper it’s written on. Or pixels, whatever.
    
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    January 29, 2021 11:28am
    - fernglas
      
      Plus it was published on 6 August 2020, at which time I believe Trump was still President.
      
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      January 29, 2021 12:19pm
- lifesgood
  
  Same as starving children, homelessness, the lack of housing etc, etc, etc, suddenly disappeared when St Cindy was given the PM’s job.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:59am
- coge
  
  The sh*t is now hitting the fan on Wall St. More Biden banana dollars will be printed.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:19am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  I’d go so far as to speculate that a primary reason why most of the world shut down under the pretext of Covid, including NZ, was specifically to get Trump out of office. The darkly comedic aspect is that it didn’t even work – the election fraud card had to be played after all.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:41am
  - fernglas
    
    Yes, it’s quite well known that people who have never heard of Trump or couldn’t give a fat rat’s arse who he is would agree to sacrifice their sanity and livelihoods to get rid of him.
    
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    January 29, 2021 12:21pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Nobody “agreed” to anything, unless you mean having it forced on us was a form of agreement. Go back to sleep.
      
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      January 30, 2021 7:38am
- Red Fred
  
  I call bullshit to that I was watching yesterday and the covid counter was on .Trump owns that disaster lock stock and barrel.
  
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  January 29, 2021 11:40am
  - kloyd0306
    
    Yet more proof that the majority of brain-dead, uniformed idiots reside amongst the left.
    
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    January 29, 2021 2:07pm
I remember when

Worldometer;
Burundi – 1481 Cases – 2 Deaths
Bhutan – 856 Cases – 1 Death
St Vincent G -763 Cases – 2 Deaths
Faroe Islands – 654 Cases – 1 Death
Cambodia – 460 Cases – 0 Deaths
St Barth – 300 Cases – 0 Deaths
Dominica – 113 Cases – 0 Deaths
New Zealand (since last death) 486 Cases
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January 29, 2021 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  Yeh but I wouldn’t trust the figures from some of those places in the first place and secondly the figures are BS anyway . ie died with / of ,or even just made up.
  
  The UK 100 k ,so called and much media hyped “milestone” being very much a case in point.
  
  We’re being lied to ,one way or another , by just about everyone , pollies and media in particular.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 bullet holes in the chest is irrelevant, it is still Covid
    
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    January 29, 2021 8:55am
    - Ehlana
      
      Steve, have you always believed that people who record cause of death routinely lie about it, or do you believe they only start doing so when Covid-19 came along?
      
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      January 29, 2021 9:00am
      - kowtow
        
        Question.
        
        Cancer sufferer in their last stages gets dosed up to their eyeballs ( rightly , to prevent suffering) with morphine . Will quickly turn up their toes due to said doses .
        
        What’s on the cert ? Cancer . What was the immediate cause of death , morphine overdose .
        What’s on the cert ? Cancer .
        
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        January 29, 2021 9:16am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Covid. In the US a hospital gets about US$14K for a non covid death v US$39K from covid. The hospitals are ripping off the taxpayer. Money money money
        
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        January 29, 2021 9:20am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        they only started doing so when Covid-19
        for me
        
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        January 29, 2021 9:24am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @ SteveOtto(NS): why do hospitals get money for dead people? I thought their job was to save lives, not end them for cash.
        
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        January 29, 2021 8:13pm
  - NoFax
    
    In regards to morphine overdose been the cause of death for those with cancer or other terminal diseases, that is a fallacy. Doctors and nurses who work in palliative care do know over-dose their patients. They give them enough so there isn’t any pain. As the patient declines more morphine is given as the patient can take it. This was all laid out during the euthanasia submissions by the palliative care workers.
    
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    January 29, 2021 9:56am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The patients are in an end stage anyway and the palliative care doctors prescribe to help maintain a pain free time–many patients are in a coma. It is not an overdose in the circumstances.
      
      Palliative care doctors frequently use drugs and dosages which would not be appropriate in non-terminal patients. Death is already the principal harm, they just seek to make the end period more agreeable. I saw their benefit in my late wife’s final stages. Their work may hasten death but that has to be offset against the comfort they provide. I found them and their nurses to be people of integrity and good judgement dedicated to providing the best temporary care they could.
      
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      January 29, 2021 12:12pm
      - Sacha
        
        @ Kev :
        This. Having seen a person die without palliative care many, many years ago, I am of the opinion that you give as much morphine as it takes to ease the mental and physical distress.
        End of discussion.
        
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        January 29, 2021 12:56pm
  - MCos
    
    An article that just popped up in the NYT. It’s the personal experiences of a correspondent who visited hospitals/undertakers grappling with the problem.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/opinion/uk-covid-deaths-hospitals.html?referringSource=articleShare
    
    Now of course if you think the media, politicians, worldometers, John Hopkins and all the rest are all bullshit because it doesn’t suit your agenda there’s no point in reading her narrative or looking at her photos.
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:11am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    The UK figure is robust. Which is why the UK government accepts it.
    
    Do you really think the UK govt actually wants to have to announce 100,000 covid deaths?
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:27am
    - Rodney Hide
      
      Hi Wayne
      
      I am sure they didn’t. But the UK govt set themselves up. In a true crisis leaders calm the public. With covid, leaders have worked to panic everyone. I don’t know why. Perhaps they panicked themselves.
      
      We know that the median age of a “covid” death is over 80 and 96 percent have comorbidities. So many were at the end of their life and many will have died with covid rather than from covid.
      
      The important data then becomes excess deaths. This varies year to year but last year for the UK was nothing out of the ordinary. Not that you would know that from the news.
      
      Let’s for a moment trust the BBC. (I know, I know!).
      
      21 January they headline, “Covid: 2020 saw most excess deaths since World War Two”. Scary. Worse than WW2.
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693
      
      It’s only down the report they acknowledge that’s raw numbers — they haven’t adjusted for population growth and the older population. The headline is dishonest.
      
      And they go on to report:
      
      “When the age and size of the population is taken into account, 2020 saw the worst death rates since the 2000s.”
      
      The actual year is 2008.
      
      So the excess deaths for last year in the uk were the same as 2008.
      
      Did Gordon Brown have to announce anything?
      
      best
      
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      January 29, 2021 11:47am
      - Frank the tank
        
        The problem is anyone (including medical practitioners) that even a degree of temerity to raise an alternative theory is deemed a conspiracy theorist, de-platformed, intimidated, cancelled etc.
        
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        January 29, 2021 12:02pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Sound, as usual–thanks Rodney.
        
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        January 29, 2021 12:13pm
      - fernglas
        
        There are graphs at this link showing excess deaths in Europe. https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
        
        They are undoubtedly higher than usual. It’s a bit more more complicated than just comparing now with 2008, because life expectancy is also increasing. But even if they are higher, they are not intolerably so.
        Interestingly, WHO predicted that the number of deaths in the world would increase by 1.2 million this year compared to 2020. I wouldn’t mind betting that most of that increase will disappear, the deaths having occurred last year.
        
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        January 29, 2021 12:29pm
      - doublehappy
        
        I think it may be the same the world over. It’s a bad flu year and the best we can do is get the Covid-19 strain added to the annual flu vaccine which I greatly appreciate getting each year. What I have learnt is that it is good to get into the habit of maintaining good hygiene habits, keeping sterilizer in the car to use when I can’t wash my hands. And I will wear a mask if I think it will stop me getting stray bugs, (a personal choice). I may wear one on a plane, as I often seem to pick up a bug when flying. Well said Rodney.
        
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        January 29, 2021 12:48pm
      - curry4me
        
        Rodney Hide: Ah, I might have known you’d dig deep, and find the truth.
        
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        January 29, 2021 1:03pm
      - MCos
        
        This article contains an analysis of those who have died of or with covid-19 in the UK.
        https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/uk-100000-coronavirus-deaths-who-were-they_uk_601138bac5b6b8719d889041
        
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        January 29, 2021 1:06pm
      - Red Fred
        
        I would wager the BBC chappies have more integrity in their little fingers than you have in your whole body boyo.
        
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        January 29, 2021 6:31pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Rodnety,
        
        The excess death argument is a bit of a red herring. It is not an answer to whether or not 100,000 people in the UK have died from Covid.
        
        As we know from NZ, the lockdowns have reduced the number of deaths from other causes, particularly from infectious diseases, such as the flu. I imagine, because the UK has more lockdowns than NZ, they also have a reduced number of deaths from car and industrial accidents.
        
        In any event, from the various articles I have read, that there is an increase in overall mortality in those nations with a significant level of covid deaths. Obviously that does not apply to New Zealand or Australia since so few people have died from covid.
        
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        January 30, 2021 7:39am
    - kowtow
      
      From the UK Daily Telegraph 27 .1.21
      
      “…….90% of those registered with Covid on the death certificate die “with” the virus , not “from” it. “
      
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      January 29, 2021 2:34pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Ever wonder why Belgian was at the top of the list?
    
    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/why-belgium-has-worst-covid-19-death-rate
    
    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/belgium-coronavirus-deaths-top-20000-official
    
    Basically everyone who died was put down as COVID.
    
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    January 29, 2021 2:59pm
- MCos
  
  What’s your point?
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:42am
  - MCos
    
    According to both the Min of Health & Worldometers NZ has had 2299 cases overall up to 9am 28-Jan
    Of these 580 were in managed isolation.
    
    So, what your point?
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:25am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Red Fred,
    
    Did you bother to even read the Huffington Post article?
    
    Because if you did, you would not have made such an inane comment.
    
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    January 30, 2021 7:32am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinations/nz/canterbury/300216626/they-dont-like-aucklanders-are-canterbury-and-oamaru-really-new-zealands-most-welcoming-region-and-town

This article is out of date !
North Auckland has the most welcoming towns: up there you are personally greeted on the main highways by groups of locals led by ex-ministers !
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January 29, 2021 8:25am
RW Capitalist

In his first 10 days, Biden has signed 25 executive orders. More than twice the number of the previous 3 presidents
Trump ….6
Obama…..5
Bush ……..2
(before Bush 2.0)
Clinton …..2
Bush snr…..1
And they called Trump anti democratic.
This a dictatorship if we have ever seen one.
He is due to sign more today and more next week.
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January 29, 2021 8:26am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Obama did 38 in his first YEAR
  Trump did 55 in his first YEAR
  Both increased this after they both lost house and senate.
  Biden 25 in first 10 days, more coming.
  therefore, if this continues in one month he will have signed more executive orders than Trump and Obama combined, in their first yrs.
  and
  That’s with both the house and senate in support.
  Imagine when he loses the mid terms.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:45am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Just heard, he’s already past Obama’s yearly total in just 9 days…now stands at 40.
    With more to come.D I C T A T O R
    
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    January 29, 2021 12:24pm
- RiP NZ
  
  And the silence is deafening, as all those who screamed:
  ‘Dictator’
  ‘Putin Puppet’
  ‘Corruption’ etc , etc etc
  
  Slither back under their rock of hypocrisy.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:48am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    At least we can easily tell their intentions – they will do exactly the things that they accuse their enemies of without evidence: “Trump acts like a dictator” = “we will act like dictators.”
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Undoing Trump’s good work – because he can. Such is the hate
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:57am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  One of those executive orders has already been suspended by a federal court, though you may not have read about it in the newspapers:
  
  https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txsd.1811836/gov.uscourts.txsd.1811836.16.0_1.pdf
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:14am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I think Texas should deport them to New York or California.
    
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    January 29, 2021 9:27am
    - giltee
      
      I hope Ja-cider doesn’t read that because she’ll suggest NZ takes them.
      
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      January 29, 2021 2:30pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Temporary suspensions for a 100days, and appealable.
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:02am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      There’s no such thing as a permanent suspension, or an unappealable lower court decision. The 100 days was the time period of the executive order, not the period of the suspension. Your other points are valid though.
      
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      January 29, 2021 2:09pm
- tf78
  
  RW Capt – Biden signed 19 on his first day and I don’t think he knew what was in any of them. Maybe next time they should hide his pen.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:24am
  - Batman
    
    Well signing things without knowing what is in them was cool and definitely okay about a month ago…
    
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    January 29, 2021 9:47am
    - Mike
      
      Or signing blank pieces of paper for the cameras…
      
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      January 29, 2021 9:53am
      - Mike
        
        For those upticking, that was a Trump gimmick, BTW.
        
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        January 29, 2021 11:51am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Nancy’s got a bunch that are doing nothing.
    They even have the word impeachment on them, just getting ready Joe.
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:08am
    - alloytoo
      
      It struck me that Nancy and co may well try and impeach Joe citing the Hunter Biden laptop and witnesses etc.
      
      The objective being to get Kamala into the Oval office.
      
      Cruelest thing the GOP could do would be to block that impeachment.
      
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      January 29, 2021 1:17pm
      - Nickc2
        
        and then call a FREE election.
        
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        January 29, 2021 9:49pm
- doublehappy
  
  Yes; if there ever was an oxymoron, then it is the name of the Democratic party.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:29am
- Fletch
  
  I think Biden is up to around 40 orders now. He is acting the tyrant and is the fascist dictator the left always claimed Trump was. He is systematically destroying American jobs, the economy and energy independence. When even the New York Times is questioning it, saying it “is no way to make law” you know you’re on the wrong page.
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/opinion/biden-executive-orders.html
  
  People will be begging for Trump back.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:35am
  - Batman
    
    Hahahahaha
    
    *Does Mitch McConnell voice* elections have consequences, Fletch.
    
    I agree they’re probably overdoing the orders but your crying and claims of tyranny are too funny to ignore ?
    
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    January 29, 2021 9:45am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Actually, there was a video clip the other day where Biden said, “I’m not sure what I’m signing.” when he had an Executive Order handed to him. A voice said, “Just sign it anyway.” – and so he did.
      The poor deluded China Joe is being led by the nose by the radical left and he doesn’t know it.
      
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      January 29, 2021 11:07am
      - Nickc2
        
        As dumb as he is, I think he knows that when he stops signing or begins questioning what he is signing, Const. Amdt. 25 (as amended) will be trotted out and he will be replaced by Commie Kamala in no time flat.
        
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        January 29, 2021 12:02pm
    - Ronin
      
      “Elections have consequences.”
      
      Wasn’t that originally an Obama quote? If so, that’s quite ironic in the context of your comment.
      https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Politics-Voices/2014/1121/Elections-have-consequences-Does-Obama-regret-saying-that-now
      
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      January 29, 2021 12:59pm
  - Mrs_Right
    
    Precisely.
    
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    January 29, 2021 12:22pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Is it an executive order if Biden does not know or understand what he is signing?
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:47am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Do you miss me yet?
    
    https://the-american-catholic.com/2021/01/28/trump-miss-me-yet-a-continuing-series-6/
    
    (If you scroll down to the comment, T. Shaw is a retired economist – whose 2 sons served in the military – and he lives on Long Island, New York.)
    
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    January 29, 2021 11:12am
- Nickc2
  
  He is rewarding all those who contributed to his election.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:56am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Obama figure maybe wrong, he maybe not be signing them now, but a possibility he could be drafting them. Poor old Joe that can’t put his pen in his pocket certainly isn’t doing the drafting.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:04am
G152

How about them running the place have news at 12 propaganda and words from the dais included rather than the current practice of shock horror stop press crap at other times.
Especially when its the SOS but some-one somewhere went somewhere else so a thousand frightened motorists hear that and line up to be tested and the testers aren’t even there….
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January 29, 2021 8:27am
Tony Stuart

So someone has pulled some string somewhere, and just like that, The Wiggles have been fast-tracked into MIQ.

As was the case with the cast and crew of Ru Paul’s Drag Race, this is an absolute slap in the face for those people who have urgent, genuine reasons to return to New Zealand, but can’t get a place in MIQ. Frankly, it stinks, and if it subsequently emerges that there was political interference to get The Wiggles in, then the excrement should hit the air conditioner; on full speed.
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January 29, 2021 8:30am
- Biscuit
  
  ‘If’ there was political interference, Tony?
  
  ‘If’?
  
  Neve has Row 1, Seat 1 for Concert 1!
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:35am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You might well think that, Biscuit. I couldn’t possibly comment.
    
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    January 29, 2021 8:40am
    - Biscuit
      
      Wise man, Tony, wise man!
      
      But don’t you just know that a certain smiling, long dark-haired, female Prime Minister you may have heard of will arrange a photo op with the group in question?
      
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      January 29, 2021 8:51am
      - sooty
        
        Wonder if she’ll bake some scones too?
        
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        January 29, 2021 10:20am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Wouldnt surprise me in the slightest.
    
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    January 29, 2021 8:52am
    - Biscuit
      
      Tony and Alex, curious – isn’t it? – that as I look at this screen at 10.04am each of our posts has a handful of upticks … and each of our posts has just the ONE downtick.
      
      You’d ALMOST think we share a non-fan!
      
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      January 29, 2021 10:04am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Bickie that is so cruel, to think a two year old would be used for a photo opportunity, I am shocked.
    Tick Tick Tick…………
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:06am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    so 7 days ago there were no Q spots available.
    what changed in 7 days
    https://en.mogaznews.com/Fashion/1661717/Jacinda-Ardern-speaks-out-after-The-Wiggles-arranged-New-Zealand-concerts-.html
    
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    January 29, 2021 11:22am
    - Nickc2
      
      What, corruption within Immigration NZ? I don’t believe that for one minute! THE HELL I DONT Pardner (as proclaimed in one of John Wayne’s movies)!
      
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      January 29, 2021 12:10pm
- kowtow
  
  Bread and circus is the ruling model .
  
  The circus is required to keep the Plebs distracted from the important issues of the day.
  
  English football continues . Tell me how 22 players and 3 officials running around a field, breathing hard ,hugging ,spitting etc falls anywhere within the rules applied to the general herd.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:41am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Particularly when none of the players are actually English anymore. It has always been thus, but now more than ever, fans are effectively cheering on a shirt.
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:49am
- MCos
  
  If you ran the system I suppose we wouldn’t have seen any international cricket this summer in NZ.
  
  The Bangladesh team are due in Christchurch around the two year anniversary of the last time they were there when they narrowly missed being involved in the Mosque shooting.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:59am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That’s a complete red herring MCos. The West Indies and Pakistan cricket team were booked into MIQ early enough to be able to serve their fourteen days, then have time to prepare for their respective series. On the other hand, the Wiggles sold tickets to concerts in New Zealand before they had actually ascertained that they would be able to play at said concerts doe to the need for 14 days in MIQ.
    
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    January 29, 2021 5:38pm
- SGA
  
  So someone has pulled some string somewhere, and just like that, The Wiggles have been fast-tracked into MIQ.
  
  It’s part of the MoH’s plan to discourage people from entering MIQ. Would you risk the possibility of hearing the Wiggles rehearsing in nearby rooms for two weeks? 🙂
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Captain’s call
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:22am
- Frank the tank
  
  LOL. Te Awamutu Arden (otherwise known as the first child) is a big fan. Watch our feckless media report when she gets a first hand meet and greet
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:28am
  - lifesgood
    
    Read between the lines.
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:04am
- Mike
  
  Tony, shouldn’t you be lauding Simon Bridges for advocating so strongly on behalf of the Wiggles and their fans?
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:50am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Simon Bridges is irrelevant.
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:52am
- Nickc2
  
  Any interference is bad enough and those responsible must be held to account. If it was political interference, that is tantamount to corruption and those responsible must be charged.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:13am
- Brian McDonald
  
  That working at BBQ King was all bs Tony. Even the early reports said it was a parent and child. But don’t let that hold you back.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:17am
  - doublehappy
    
    Could it be that a child came home with the mother, but didn’t go in to work with her?
    
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    January 29, 2021 12:55pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Hi Tony, Yep really pissed off about that.
  From MBIE and MIQ, The only way I can get back is to apply for emergency application, Time frame 2-3 days. So impossible to obtain.
  Basically made stateless unless I run the gauntlet and sign off and get a ( impossible to to time frame) voucher.
  To be perfectly honest I will be detained ( Under dessertion), This will mean exactly that.
  Really pissed off .
  Sent numerous requests highlighting our predicament but no firm reply.
  
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  January 29, 2021 3:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

New Zealand will become ‘vassal state’ of China if it continues to snub Australia

The “socialist” New Zealand government has turned its back on Australia as a partner and instead signed up with the Chinese Communist Party, according to Bronwyn Bishop.

The relationship between China and New Zealand – also part of the ANZUS agreement with Australia and the US – has too blossomed in recent times, to the point where NZ Trade Minister Damien O’Connor criticised Australia’s approach to ties with Beijing.

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6226914861001
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January 29, 2021 8:33am
- kowtow
  
  Kowtow.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You may have to run lessons for us all…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kBm9542m64
    
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    January 29, 2021 9:45am
    - kowtow
      
      Grumpy ole farts like yours truly couldn’t compete with that…….
      
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      January 29, 2021 12:51pm
  - giltee
    
    The call from China to the rest of the world is if you don’t crawl up our …. then we’ll punish you like we’ve done to Ozzie. NZ has heeded china’s warning instead of backing our neighbour. Ozzie will tolerate this for a while but if they turn their backs on us then watch Labour go crawling back to them. Morrison must get the picture by now from Ja-cinder but is being diplomatic.
    
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    January 29, 2021 2:54pm
- Philview
  
  The NZ Government telling Australia to “respect” China sounds very sinister. The first FTA had clauses on areas where NZ wasn’t allowed to criticise China. Judging by O’Connor’s comments, The FTA upgrade must have clauses where NZ must criticise countries on China’s behalf. I read a military alliance is being discussed to counter China in the Pacific and New Zealand isn’t in it.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:45am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes, Lange and Clark killed off the ANZUS Alliance and Cindy is systematically destroying the Five Eyes agreement. Communism 101.
    
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    January 29, 2021 9:12pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Yeah, spitting in the general direction of our second biggest trading partner and longest held friend will not end well.
  
  Thank you labour and the ftards who voted for you.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:49am
  - Frank the tank
    
    (little) Aotearoans have been instructed to look upon our nearest neighbors with contempt. We are disappointed in their actions.
    
    This is the word of the Blairite. Praise be.
    
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    January 29, 2021 9:30am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Being able to re-call a govt is beginning to look like a good idea.
    
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    January 29, 2021 9:54am
- RW Capitalist
  
  More chiseling away at CER?
  More damage, by another Labour govt. to our closest alley and partner.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:08am
- Mike
  
  Pull the other one, Maggy. Our two main political parties have been in hot competition for 20 years to see who can suck up to the Chicoms most.
  It has nothing to do with being nominally socialist (Labour) or practically socialist (National).
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Pull the other one, Maggy.
    
    Perhaps I should have placed the first sentence of my post in Italicised bold
    
    New Zealand will become ‘vassal state’ of China if it continues to snub Australia
    
    as it was the Headline of the Sky News article.
    
    I haven’t expressed an opinion at all…
    
    I was just letting KB readers see how some folks in Ozzie view us…. probably a view that our MSM will hide from us.
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:55am
- Bloody Dago
  
  Talk about walk all over NZ’s military with this display in Nov 2019. The Labour government did nothing about this. These “military” students were making a statement to every New Zealander that they were here and in “control”. If they can get away with this they are. Similar to when the SS marched down the Champs Elysee’s in 1940.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117141919/chinese-soldiers-at-auckland-protest-are-international-students.
  Damien O’Connor should know better, it’s just gobsmacking the damage he has done by dissing our only neighbours
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:21am
  - curry4me
    
    Bloody Dago: I’d never have seen this, as I only follow links to Stuff. thanks for posting it. Unbeleivable.
    
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    January 29, 2021 1:14pm
  - giltee
    
    These students should be sent packing. Can’t help but wonder if the students are CCP representatives place here by the CCP. If anyone dared to do that in China they’d be imprisoned.
    
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    January 29, 2021 3:02pm
    - Bloody Dago
      
      Do we really require Chinese international students if we have trained military in amongst them? This is blatant infiltration and subversion by an imperialist nation.
      The Uni’s are sucking up to them which one would expect with their Marxist orientation on full display.
      
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      January 29, 2021 8:58pm
- Nickc2
  
  The ANZUS partnership has been dead for years. David Lange killed it and Helen Clark buried it,
  
  I do think O’Connor was out of line. Having said that, I also wonder if he wasn’t singing from a pre-prepared Hymn Sheet written by Cindy and that excuse for her Foreign Minister.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:22am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “New Xie-land”.
  
  Let’s hope not.
  
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  January 29, 2021 6:10pm
The Other Enoch

I was sitting in the lounge at Wellington airport last night. So many troughers, so many stories.

Sitting right behind me were two troughers. Obviously feeding from the tax payers teat. They were from the Ministry of Health or some District Health Board. Anyway, these two hadn’t seen each other since, well the last time they fed off the tax payers teat which as far as I could tell from their informative banter, was just before the last election.

So, catching up on what they had been doing and in their enthusiasm to get their stories across, one couldn’t help but here what they said. This is a telling snippet.

We’re doing the same old, same old, it’s just that each task and topic now has a different name, a Te Reo name. Really, said the other? Yes, replied the first, nothing has changed, absolutely nothing. But we now have to have all of these Te Reo names so that it looks, you know, more inclusive.

Honestly, it was mind numbing. If the current lot residing in the hallowed halls weren’t so bloody incompetent I would have said that they were just making things up. Sadly, I think that they were reporting truth to dare.
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January 29, 2021 8:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Does not really matter which party is in Govt, the State Sector rot is permanent. Sack them all and re employ on merit
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:25am
  - Bob
    
    “Sack them all and re employ on merit”…
    Steve such a process would lead to a very small State Sector…….
    
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    January 29, 2021 4:12pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Small enough to make it work. Not large overpopulated to keep the dole numbers down
      
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      January 30, 2021 8:30am
- MCos
  
  Who needs the Stasi, eh?
  
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  January 29, 2021 1:14pm
- alloytoo
  
  I’m not sure Te Reo names make things more inclusive.
  
  I don’t feel included.
  
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  January 29, 2021 1:20pm
niggly

Every so often hosts get themselves into hot water.

It usually happens when the announcer isn’t paying attention to the caller, maybe because the producer is talking in her ear or she is thinking about what she is going to say next.

The caller makes a dangerous comment and the host misses the impact of the statement and makes a conciliatory comment which appears to endorse what the caller is saying.

Talkback is dangerous territory even for experienced operators. Because it is a dangerous occupation it used to be the case that radio station management would defend the hosts vigorously.

I have noticed that this convention is not what it used to be and hosts have been hung out to dry.

That quote is from Mitch Harris, who some will recognise was a former host and programme manager for Radio Live.

Now I don’t necessarily think that Mitch Harris is defending John Banks, however Harris is being honest as to how things work behind the scenes and is “telling it like it is”.

The radio host is not always in a position sitting there listening to every word said by a caller (nor listening to every word of the song they are playing if dj’ing on a rock or music station), they have “comms” going on in the background (headphones) and are looking at what is coming up next (ad break, next song, next caller etc). They are multi-tasking!

If you want to know why Mediaworks fired John Banks it is because NZ Cricket appears to have done a “Qantas” (i.e. major sponsor putting pressure on an organisation that they are paying money to eg like insisting Australian Rugby fire Israel Folau etc).

To which I say FU NZ Cricket, I will conduct my own “one-man band protest” and no longer attend their matches 😉

Anyway did you notice the lack of reply offered to John Banks by all of the MSM? Apart from Banksie issuing a statement saying he is not racist, the media have joined with the braying Twitter mob and not even bothered to allow Banks to put his side of the story to the people. They’ve “cancelled” him and not abided by their own professional rules to offer him the right of reply. MSM let their own profession down, yet again, and poorly serve wider public debate.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300216951/does-talkback-radio-have-a-future
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January 29, 2021 8:39am
- niggly
  
  BTW:
  
  Publications should be bound at all times by accuracy, fairness and balance, and should not deliberately mislead or misinform readers by commission or omission. In articles of controversy or disagreement, a fair voice must be given to the opposition view
  
  https://www.mediacouncil.org.nz/principles
  ***********
  https://etu.nz/journalist-code-of-ethics/
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:47am
  - curry4me
    
    niggly: Most ‘journalists’ probably think ethics is a county in the UK.
    
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    January 29, 2021 1:16pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Should swap the word ethics for Ethnics.
      
      There that makes more sense to floundering journalists
      
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      January 29, 2021 8:59pm
- tf78
  
  niggly, we really enjoyed listening to Banksie as much as he enjoyed hosting. Poor bugger has been done over once again.
  
  We could have a petition “Bring Back Banksie”. (half joking)
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:31am
  - Mike
    
    Perhaps he could start his own radio station.
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:02am
- Tall Man
  
  I think you’re onto something there.
  
  When I briefly listened in one morning I thought he was very distracted and often his responses showed he hadn’t “connected” to the caller’s conversation at all.
  
  It may be an age thing but I think the “earpiece” may well be an issue.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:50am
- Brian McDonald
  
  I read his replies, noise, distracted by producers, gunman holding pistol to his head to make him make racist comments just like the ones he’s made previously. To his credit, he said he hates it when that happens.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:33am
  - Mike
    
    Hates it when he’s called out for his racist bullshit.
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:42am
- Nickc2
  
  Well said. If a Shockjock is not part of the Woke Cancel culture, they will be gotten rid of by fair means or foul. Where does that call come from? IMO, it comes from woke university campuses/student unions and/or Frazer House.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:38am
  - doublehappy
    
    Nickc2; I totally agree. There seems to be a breeding ground for the left wing in universities. Where did most of the British spies evolve from, Oxford or Cambridge? We now have Confusious Institutes popping up all over the world. Are these preaching free speech, I don’t think so. Should journalists investigate what comes from them, I think so. Yes, there should be debating societies in our places of education, though I believe that in our school’s debates are often led by the people who are told by the government what the topics and the answers must be.
    Am I frightened of Communism? You bet your life I am.
    
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    January 29, 2021 1:32pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  When advanced civilisation finally reached these shores, Maori were indeed a “stone age culture” though. It’s a fact. The basis for the attribution is their level of technology, or lack of it, which places them in the stone age era category. It’s not derogatory, it’s reality (which I guess is the issue: few get into trouble for pointing out something false).
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:53am
  - Mike
    
    Yeah, I’m sure when people refer to Maori as ‘stone agers’ they are just anxious to use an appropriate technical term to describe a pre-contact Polynesian culture.
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    January 29, 2021 12:11pm
  - MCos
    
    My great grandfather was Irish.
    I would imagine the Irish back in his day might have had a different opinion of the advantages of the advanced society of the British Empire.
    
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    January 29, 2021 1:26pm
peterwn

Interesting ‘shift’ in electricity markets. An unintended effect of Max Bradford’s reforms was the major power generation companies buying up customers from the old Power Boards and MED’s. The prevailing thought was that there would be stand alone retailers who would purchase from generators and sell to customers. The generators were not happy with this prospect so purchased blocks of customers. Trustpower’s predecessor sold off the lines business (to comply with Max’s requirements) but kept the power stations and customers and indeed significantly expanded from this base by buying up small hydro stations and attracting customers.
A problem for ‘gentailers’ is they run two separate core businesses simultaneously – generation/ wholesale and retail (especially mass market). It would make sense for a power generator to shed its mass market retail business if it had the confidence it could successfully sell its power at the wholesale level. Another factor is the ‘junction’ between these two core businesses is attracting regulatory and political attention especially with small upstart power retailers arguing that they are unfairly being put between a rock and hard place by the ‘gentailers’. So if Trustpower considers it can wholesale off its output successfully, it would pre-empt possible political action. The small retailers would appreciate a source of power independent of the ‘gentailers’. Presumably if Trustpower did sell its retail customer base to other than another ‘gentailer’, then it would probably have an interim wholesale contract.
Interesting times.
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January 29, 2021 8:43am
Rusty

Just adding to what Scott said.

Why does the media portray the USA and the UK as incompetent basket cases on the covid pandemic?

Do South American and African countries for example have better health systems and quarantine measures to combat covid than the US and UK have?

Maybe the real reason for the medias attention to these two nations is to discredit capitalism and democracy as the problem solver of this pandemic.

Lefty/socialist politics is going to spread like wildfire throughout the western world if not already.
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January 29, 2021 8:44am
- Batman
  
  Or the fact that the UK and US have the bar set high because they’re first world economies with first world governments and systems.
  
  The hard reality is that they’ve failed on Covid.
  
  An anti-capitalist plot is far fetched thinking.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:37am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Yet socialist ‘utopias’ such as Portugal and Belgium barely get a comment yet they have situations at least as bad, if not worse than the US/UK. Brazil is the only Latin American country to get a mention even though it’s rampant in other countries such as Mexico and Argentina.
    
    Then there is Italy. If there is an election and Salvini romps home (presently the likely option) watch for Italy to become covid central.
    
    If you can’t recognize there is inherent and deliberate bias in the reporting of WuFlu then you are as partisan as the media are.
    
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    January 29, 2021 3:26pm
- Tall Man
  
  More likely that an affluent society leads to obesity and poor physical condition. The climates of the worst hit areas in the US and the UK are not condusive to exercise and fitness without effort whereas the outdoor lifestyle of most South American countries, much like NZ and Asia is likely to be the primary reason we have such a low infection rate. I also doubt many countries in South America run “retirement institutions”…
  
  You see very few fat and lazy people in a Favela.
  
  UK: The majority of adults were overweight or obese; 67% of men and 60% of women.
  This included 26% of men and 29% of women who were obese.
  
  Brasil: Over half of the Brazilian population (55.7%) is overweight. Guarantee that’s the “fat cats” in Manaus……
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:07am
  - fernglas
    
    India has almost achieved herd immunity after letting Covid run its course.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/28/dramatic-drop-in-covid-cases-gives-india-hope-of-return-to-normal-life
    
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    January 29, 2021 12:36pm
- Ehlana
  
  English is the dominant language in the US and the UK, so it’s easy for NZ media to find out what is going on over there and report it back here. Not to mention, there is probably a high proportion of NZers overseas who are in one or the other, so more interest here.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:13am
- cmm
  
  It is hared to compare the West with Africa.
  
  There are so many factors including: VitD levels, age and obesity.
  
  For example, CV19 hits older people. The median age of Africa is less than 20. The median age of UK is over 40.
  
  Comparing outcomes is pretty challenging.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:38am
- ISeeRed
  
  Why? Because most major media outlets hated Trump and hate the Tories.
  
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  January 29, 2021 12:13pm
- theoldbloke
  
  I guess you didnt get the memo.
  MSM in both UK & USA (and other western nations) need clickbait.
  What better click bait than hammering the gummint of something! anything!
  If it wasnt covid it would have to be something else.
  
  ie Child poverdy
  Lack of Social housing
  House Prices
  
  So once Covid has lost its clickbait bonanza then we might see articles like families living in cars.
  Families living in Garages etc etc
  
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  January 29, 2021 3:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Liz Wheeler – MSM’s 6 biggest lies of 2020.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLk7BRdp9G0
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January 29, 2021 8:45am
- BeeJay
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  What a load of garbage? Will you Trumpers ever get over it? Sad lives, that’s for sure! And this excuse of a Government have done nothing about mental health support in NZ when it’s quite clear there are lots of you who need help!
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All I did was share it. Are you saying Liz Wheeler is mentally ill?
    Don’t shoot the messenger
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:53am
- Inandout
  
  Steve, if Biden signs all these documents and he is replaced, does that make his intent null and void? The Dems can amend the signed documents and say ‘things have changed’ as we have a new leader.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:00am
  - tf78
    
    Inandout – I think we will find out very soon when the 25th is enacted.
    
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    January 29, 2021 9:33am
    - Doc Holliday
      
      When did you get that bang on the head?
      
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      January 29, 2021 11:38am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Steve, what is really ironic is this video has 7,913 likes and 17 dislikes.
  You can dislike it and number will grow but like it it will do nothing.
  Utube and the others platforms are egging on the MSM at a million miles an hour.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:38am
Biscuit

Remember the doom-and-gloomers in here who trumpeted (good term!) that Twitter’s share price had fallen/will fall further once, blessedly, that company gave DJT the heave-ho?

Twitter’s NYSE price was $US 51.48 immediately before that decision and, gasp, fell to $US 45.18 immediately thereafter.

But, lookety here, it’s up to $ US 51.90 a few minutes ago (posting a $US 3.71 rise overnight) … and will, I am tipping, reach its all-time-high of $US 52.90 QUITE soon.

The family cat WILL continue to get fed!

Seems one Trump DOESN’T make much of a difference…

Love to know, incidentally, just how many shares (if any) DJT has/had in Twitter … and what he did with any he had after he was booted. But, oh yes, he STILL hasn’t released his financials, has he?

PS

$US 52.03 as of right now!
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January 29, 2021 8:47am
- tf78
  
  Biscuit – doesn’t Biden have thousands of fake followers, that could explain it.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:35am
  - Biscuit
    
    tf78, SOMEONE is doping the investing, heh.
    
    Now, by the time all the Trump fans have kitted themselves out with MAGA caps, MAGA tees, MAGA jackets, MAGA posters, MAGA flags etc they likely don’t have enough spare cash to put into stocks and shares…
    
    It’s the same principle that sees those obscene Bible Belt preachers able to afford private planes, baots, cars, twenty-million-dollar homes etc…
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:01am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Seems like Trump has taken up part time rsidence in your head, Bikkie boy.
      
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      January 29, 2021 1:28pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Hardly, Don, but – inexplicably – a load of Kiwibloggers keep mentioning his name.
        
        I just like pointing out that now that he is an ex-POTUS his relevancy is fast diminishing.
        
        Years and years ago – January 2001 – when he was just a jumped-up getting-bankrupted-regularly-even-WITH-Daddy’s-money-bankrolling-him, I peed in the (gold, of course) urinals at the top of the atrium in his landmark Trump Tower.
        
        Secret Service and all that, I doubt I’d be able to do that now but, if and when Covid ever ‘breaks’, I will do my level best to repeat…
        
        Oh, one thing, Don, I’m about to hit 70 years of age. You might care to replace ‘boy’ – which I appreciate you WEREN’T intending to slight me by – with ‘fast-becoming decrepit aging man’, heh heh…
        
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        January 29, 2021 3:46pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Well, Bikkie boy, I am 79 years old, so you are still a boy to me. 😆
        And BTW, he has NEVER gone bankrupt – you ned to understand the various types of bankruptcy in the US. As for his daddy’s money, his father gave him $1mil. to get started – he did the rest himself.
        
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        January 29, 2021 7:34pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Ha, Don.
        
        I’m a trad. If I see the word Bankrupt, I take it to mean Bankrupt.
        
        A quick Google showed this:
        
        Although Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy, hotels and casino businesses of his have declared bankruptcy six times between 1991 and 2009 due to its inability to meet required payments and to re-negotiate debt with banks, owners of stock and bonds and various small businesses (unsecured creditors).
        
        That’ll do me!
        
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        January 29, 2021 7:41pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Thanks for making my point. He has never applied for bankruptcy personally. – Bigly difference. 🙂
        
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        January 29, 2021 8:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    80 million apparently
    
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    January 29, 2021 10:55am
- Fletch
  
  Twitter has become a liberal echo chamber. They have banned conservatives with huge numbers of followers or indeed anyone who shares the #StopTheSteal hashtag or seems critical of Biden.
  It’s a cesspool. Let them wallow in their own filth.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:51am
- MCos
  
  Nobody’s indispensable, except John Key to the Nats.
  
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  January 29, 2021 11:44am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Nobody’s indispensable, except Jacinda Ardern to Labour.
    
    Fixed it for you MCos.
    
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    January 29, 2021 5:41pm
- kowtow
  
  You sound very Trumpian there , biscuit , using share prices as an indicator of success.
  
  There’s a big bubble developing and when it goes Pop it won’t be pretty , for some.
  
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  January 29, 2021 12:19pm
  - Biscuit
    
    I disagree, kowtow.
    
    Low interest rates mean that there’s only really Stocks and Property to invest in for (my) foreseeable future…
    
    The Dow, eg, has gone from 15000 to 30600 in just five short years.
    
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    January 29, 2021 3:51pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Thanks to Trump 😆 😆 😆
      
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      January 29, 2021 7:35pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Possibly, Don.
        
        But this graph (you’ll need to click on the Max sorter) shows that the inexorable rise in the Dow has been pretty consistent since, oh, 1981 … ie through Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama; all of whom are derided as financial managers by your hero.
        
        https://www.google.com/search?ei=u60TYIK5NLHDpgfj64P4DA&q=dow+rise&oq=dow+rise&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQDDICCAAyAggAMgIIADoKCC4QsQMQQxCTAjoECAAQQzoKCAAQsQMQgwEQQzoLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6AgguOggIABCxAxCDAToECC4QQzoLCAAQsQMQgwEQkQI6BQgAEMkDOgUIABCSAzoICC4QxwEQrwE6BAgAEApQqNsJWKfsCWDOhwpoAHAAeACAAfACiAGHD5IBBzAuNC4yLjKYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6wAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjCgt-txMDuAhWxoekKHeP1AM8Q4dUDCA0
        
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        January 29, 2021 7:49pm
kowtow

Why doesn’t kiwirail prosecute .Why appease law breakers.

“An agreement was eventually reached with the protesters that the coal service would not operate yesterday, but trains carrying other goods, including perishables, continued to pass on a separate track.

A police spokeswoman said the protesters left just after 11am.

None were trespassed and no arrests were made.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/climate-activists-disrupt-rail-services
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January 29, 2021 8:48am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s not worth prosecuting Left Wing protestors because many people on the Left don’t believe in property rights (other than their own obviously) etc so a “jury of their peers” will always include at least a couple of people who agree with what was done. Personal responsibility and property rights just aren’t important to some people.
  
  Meanwhile, most people on the right would vote to convict people on the right that protest illegally. It’s just a difference of ideological belief.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:18am
kowtow

The “news” reported that quite a few Pullman inmates ( they’re not “guests” , as reported) went strait to OZ when released and 3 went to HK .

I thought MismanagedIQ was for people returning to NZ .Not a transit arrangement.
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January 29, 2021 8:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dollars talk
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:29am
Mags

So some of the Pullman detainees went directly to Aus and other countries after serving their NZ quarantine. Some questions:
Did they pay for their quarantine?
Are they NZ citizens?
Why are (were) we effectively quarantining people that should be quarantined in Aus?
Some of these travellers then went on to HKG – is this a back door for access to China – why?
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January 29, 2021 8:51am
- sooty
  
  I would hope that they tag the computer, so they have to pay the quarantine back before they are allowed in!
  
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  January 29, 2021 12:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Now why would you spend 2 weeks in NZ quarantine before flying on to Sydney &/or Hongkong?

Twelve people who quarantined at the Pullman hotel in New Zealand, where it is suspected the highly infectious South African strain of coronavirus has spread, then travelled on to Australia, authorities have revealed.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jan/28/queenslands-decision-to-reopen-border-with-nsw-takes-gladys-berejiklian-by-surprise
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January 29, 2021 8:52am
- Ian Boag
  
  400-odd people in Pullman Hotel for two-week stays. 12 went to Oz. Hardly a flood …
  
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  December 29, 2020 11:27am
- alloytoo
  
  Because the NZ taxpayer paid for quarantine.
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:56am
- RoboRob
  
  Came here to ask that very question !
  
  Me thinks that some New Zealanders living overseas wanted in to AU and came via NZ so they could have cost free isolation here rather than paying in AU (I assume you pay in Aussie).
  
  My personal opinion is that we are far enough into covid now that the NZers who wanted to come back for free have had their chance. From now on everyone should pay. I know of a NZer living in the UK who is sick of covid lock downs and is comoing back to nz (free MIQ) for a break. He is staying four months to avoid having to pay.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:02am
- Ehlana
  
  Seems very bizarre Maggy. I guess occasionally someone’s plans would change unexpectedly during their quarantine period, but 12 people from one hotel seems a lot, especially if it has all happened at the same time or over a short time.
  I can’t imagine quarantine is that much fun that people just do it for the joy!
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:04am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Getting a spot in Quarantine in Australia is like winning lotto, except if you are a politician, sportsman, or wiggle.
  It was wound back even further a few weeks back, Victoria stopped taking anyone except tennis players over last few weeks because of 1200 tennis cabal.
  Yes you do pay, except Queensland are not chasing non payers, so I guess you don’t pay in that state.
  As for Hong Kong, they demand a pre test out of UK but do not recognize the UK NHS test results.
  21 days Quarantine coming from Brazil, Ireland, South Africa or the United Kingdom.
  NZ is the back door.
  
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  January 29, 2021 9:50am
- Hard Cheese
  
  It’s very difficult to get back into Australia, apparently there are 40,000 Australians trying to return, with very limited flight availability and restrictions on the daily numbers of flights permitted into airports. So I imagine these 12 are just using a creative routing and copping the 14 day quarantine to avoid paying megabucks for a business/first seat on a direct flight (where there is availability) vs. economy (where there is none for months)
  
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  January 29, 2021 11:05am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    It was reported last week the cheapest seat they could find LHR/SYD was $17,000, it is a mess.
    
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    January 29, 2021 3:44pm
- MCos
  
  Obviously some sort of creative workaround.
  Personally I couldn’t care less.
  In the big scheme of things this is small beer compared to some other legal ripoffs that cost the taxpayer megabucks like the America’s Cup for example.
  
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  January 29, 2021 1:42pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Bollocks!
    
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    January 29, 2021 6:21pm
- Biscuit
  
  So we now have a Mag, a Maggie and a Maggy in Kiwiblog.
  
  It’s all getting too much.
  
  I propose a winner-takes-all sudden-death shoot-out between the three individuals concerned … with the survivor getting to have sole use of his/her name in perpetuity…
  
  Hell, TV One might even buy rights to the contests. Can’t be as dull as America’s Cup sailing, can it?
  
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  January 29, 2021 3:54pm
kowtow

If CO2 is so bad evil planet destroying ,and we must “decarbonise” I take it all who subscribe to global warming panic doom mongering will reject the Pfizer Wuflu jab as it must be stored in CO2.
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January 29, 2021 8:58am
Happychappy

Tova O’Brien goes back to telling porky’s for Jacinda Ardern over the Prime Ministers demand for answers from the Ministry of Health. The experts have been warning Jacinda for weeks this would happen but like usual Jacinda takes the opportunity to blame other before herself and the Minister of Coronavirus.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/01/jacinda-ardern-demands-explanation-from-ministry-of-health-over-test-result-delay-of-pullman-hotel-guests.html
When will the people wake up to the Prime Minister and her blame game for everything that’s goes wrong.
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January 29, 2021 9:01am
- cas
  
  The best form of defense is attack!!
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:46am
- tf78
  
  Happy, the best defense for Jacinda is Tova.
  
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  January 29, 2021 5:51pm
RW Capitalist

Green new deal starts with cancellation of XL pipe line for “climate change”.
Put some numbers in
https://www.foxnews.com/person/r/karl-rove
Start at 3;20 if you don’t want to listen to the other stuff.
Applies to Arden as well
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January 29, 2021 9:04am
Ehlana

Not PC has today’s candidates for cancellation: Stephen Fry, Christopher Hitchens and Salman Rushdie. http://pc.blogspot.com/2021/01/im-offended.html
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January 29, 2021 9:09am
- Ruahine
  
  I am appalled I am so offended.
  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yes+minister+i%27m+appalled+
  
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  January 29, 2021 11:16am
lastmanstanding

IMHO the Climate Change “fix” will see Western economies tank along with the living standards of the citizens whilst China continues to strengthen its position as the Worlds No1 economy and military might. I note China escapes any sanctions re Climate Change and is classed as a ‘developing nation”.

I know Cindy is an out and out Socialist/Communist but are the rest of the Western leaders Socialists or are just shit scared of China.
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January 29, 2021 9:24am
- kowtow
  
  you have to wonder. the likes of Bojo has bought into it . the whole EU apparatus have.
  
  I suspect they’re driven by focus groups , group think , feel good , the left wing agenda driven media etc
  
  Certainly not science or common sense
  
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  January 29, 2021 12:14pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    A bit of scientific analysis in a couple of US states, relating to climate change (sic.) and the effects of the China ‘flu.
    
    https://realclimatescience.com/2021/01/new-mexico-continues-to-listen-to-the-scientists/
    
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    January 29, 2021 2:35pm
  - tf78
    
    Bojo’s partner is a youngish greeny virtual signaler – say no more.
    
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    January 29, 2021 5:56pm
I remember when

Is the problem with ‘climate change’ that people always say ‘What a lovely warm day.’
Then, in winter they complain about how cold it is.
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January 29, 2021 9:39am
Maggie Pie

‘REPEAT SEX OFFENDER SENT BACK TO JAIL’

But wait – there’s more…..

Dudge Josephine Bouchier said it was a question of risk. “I must err on the side of caution and not expose the community to any further risk from this defendant” she said.

Scully was jailed for….. THREE MONTHS!

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1354881639797714945
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January 29, 2021 9:42am
- Tall Man
  
  That’ll teach him ……..
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:12am
Fletch

German vaccine committee says the AstraZeneca COVID-19 shot shouldn’t be given to people over 65.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/germany-people-over-65-years-shouldnt-get-astrazeneca-covid-19-shot-2021-1
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January 29, 2021 9:44am
- Happy1
  
  You forgot to mention that the Germans were not concerned about vaccine safety but it’s efficacy. They are concerned that because over 65’s were recruited late in the trials there is not enough data to prove it works for the over 65’s. They haven’t got any evidence it doesn’t but because 1 or 2 cases got the disease after being vaccinated they want stronger proof.
  
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  January 29, 2021 12:31pm
  - Happy1
    
    Meanwhile give the over 65’s the Pfizer jab which is known to work just fine.
    
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    January 29, 2021 12:43pm
Greg Ettridge

Herd immunity is looking a real task, can only vaccinate 16-64 years old, no pregnant woman, no couples planning a baby.
I am so convinced that this is all very safe and being done as other vaccines were rolled out.
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January 29, 2021 9:54am
- cmm
  
  We keep on hearing “tweaking” of the numbers required to reach herd immunity. AT first they said 80%, now there’s some back pedalling.
  
  In NZ around 20% of people are over 65 and another 20% are below 16. Add other people who will not want to recieve it or have medical reasons and there will be only 50% eligible for the vaccine.
  
  Oops!
  
  Then there’s Africa who we’re standing back for – so they can get the vaccines.
  
  In Africa the median age is less than 20. That means 45% or so are below 16 but only 5% or so are over 65. No herd immunity there.
  
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  January 29, 2021 2:53pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Here’s how it really works:
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/world/europe/vaccine-secret-contracts-prices.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=World%20News
    
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    January 29, 2021 4:14pm
- Biscuit
  
  Greg, you cite a ‘pregnant woman’…
  
  That implies there is such a thing as a pregnant MAN.
  
  I’m a tad scared to go out to the letterbox now lest I gey waylaid and become one…
  
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  January 29, 2021 3:57pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    You want “pregnant person”?
    
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    January 29, 2021 6:24pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Don’t worry Biscuit, at 70 years old, your fertility is no more. 🙂
    
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    January 29, 2021 7:38pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Don, rest assured that was not MY downtick.
      
      Your post made me chuckle…
      
      But, sniff, I shall pointedly NOT uptick you either…
      
      So there!
      
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      January 29, 2021 7:52pm
I remember when

Does working from home present firms with some new health and safety requirements.
Worksafe: Working from home.
If you run a business with staff working from home, you are responsible for talking through and developing policies with them on how they’ll manage their health and safety when working from home.
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January 29, 2021 9:58am
I remember when

How to solve the increasing house price dilemma.
Get people to buy more expensive cars.
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January 29, 2021 10:01am
Maggy Wassilieff

What are the (politically) correct terms to use when referring to Pre-European Māori culture/technology?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_of_New_Zealand

(spoiler – I’m not sure; there have been numerous candidates during my lifetime).

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/229705163.pdf

http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document//Volume_104_1995/Volume_104%2C_No._4/Constructions_of_change%3A_A_history_of_early_Maori_culture_sequences%2C_by_Ian_Barber%2C_p_357-396/p1
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January 29, 2021 10:14am
- Jack5
  
  There’s no reason for Maori to be sensitive because their pre-Western culture was Stone Age. It’s only a historical classification, related to use of tools.
  
  Poster Scott Hamilton could re-emerge here any minute with a salvo to point out what some other stone-based cultures achieved, some of them, like Maori culture, without a written language.
  
  Though I think in the last debate here Scott cited the Inca as Stone Age, though others would likely classify their culture as early Bronze Age.
  
  The Inca had no written language in the modern sense.
  
  The Maya were a Stone Age culture with a “writing system” with 800 symbols. Of more interest is that the Maya had base-20 arithmetic and used “zero”. (The Romans didn’t have the concept of zero , and the Ancient Greeks didn’t use zero in maths. Europeans began using zero from about the 12th century.)
  
  “Stone Age” is only one way of classifying a culture.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:51am
  - cmm
    
    Inca and Maya both managed to work various metals – a technology which seems to have escaped the Pacific and Australia despite the abundance of metals in the region.
    
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    January 29, 2021 12:10pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Very thoughtful Jack5. I thought India “invented” the concept of zero… (?)
    
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    January 29, 2021 12:19pm
    - Ehlana
      
      Scientific American has it emerging in Mesopotamia (3rd C), then among the Mayans (4th C), then in India (5th C) from where it spread to Cambodia (7th C), China and the Islamic nations (8th C), Europe (12th C). Quite fascinating, really.
      
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      January 29, 2021 1:26pm
      - Jack5
        
        Good point, Pharmachick. Here’s a snippet from the source linked to below:
        
        These early counting systems only saw the zero as a placeholder—not a number with its own unique value or properties. A full grasp of zero’s importance would not arrive until the seventh century A.D. in India. There, the mathematician Brahmagupta and others used small dots under numbers to show a zero placeholder, but they also viewed the zero as having a null value, called “sunya.” Brahmagupta was also the first to show that subtracting a number from itself results in zero.
        
        CMM, you are correct. Sorry. The Inca culture was Bronze Age.
        
        Development of zero:
        
        https://www.history.com/news/who-invented-the-zero
        
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        January 29, 2021 1:42pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Indeed, thank you Ehlana.
        
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        January 29, 2021 2:51pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Thank you Jack
        
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        January 29, 2021 8:25pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      The decimal system , ie 10 with a zero came from Arabia, Along with some of best mathmaticians of there time.
      
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      January 29, 2021 4:37pm
      - Jack5
        
        This source says the decimal system was invented in India, and was introduced to Europe later by Arabs.
        
        https://www.reference.com/world-view/invented-decimal-system-93d9ba24d18221d8
        
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        January 29, 2021 8:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  “What are the (politically) correct terms to use when referring to Pre-European Māori culture/technology?”
  
  Reverential I believe is the accepted standard these days.
  
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  January 29, 2021 11:01am
- rangitoto
  
  Neolithic.
  
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  January 29, 2021 11:38am
Jack5

It’s 20 months since the Stuff newspaper chain, minus printing plants and internet-fibre marketing interest, was sold to its chief executive, Sinead Boucher, for $1.

The Stuff staff who reported on the deal said:

“There is speculation that bringing Stuff back into local ownership could make it more politically-palatable for the Government to put together a more comprehensive package of aid for the media sector that included Stuff.”

Does anyone know how much cash the Government is giving the two newspaper chains? That is, including the joint reporting being run through Radio NZ?

We have the possibility of a news virtual monopoly on the take from the State. Are any political rivals of Labour and the Groans interested in the danger?

Stuff’s rival, newspaper and radio owner NZME, had wanted to buy Stuff for $1, before Stuff’s Australian owner broke off negotiations. NZME could see the anti-monopoly Commerce Commission would block it from buying Stuff.

The Stuff report of the deal said:

There is speculation that bringing Stuff back into local ownership could make it more politically-palatable for the Government to put together a more comprehensive package of aid for the media sector.

Perhaps National and ACT can start probing the State involvement with the print media, including through Radio NZ.

We don’t want to end up with a Pravda-Tass type news monopoly brainwashing us.

A refresher on the Stuff-for-$1 deal:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121613758/stuff-ceo-sinead-boucher-buys-the-company-announces-great-new-era
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January 29, 2021 10:30am
- kowtow
  
  ‘We don’t want to end up with a Pravda-Tass type news monopoly brainwashing us.’
  
  Basically there already, comrade.
  
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  January 29, 2021 12:36pm
- Jack5
  
  Whoops! Sorry for doubling up on the quote about the report of the deal.
  
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  January 29, 2021 1:52pm
Maggie Pie

The next BIG THING?

About 3 years ago, my partner ‘invested’ in a painting by the well known and much loved Maori activist, Tame Iti. He bought it for just over 2k.
Last week, we had our insurance update done by a Registered Valuer, who has now valued the work at 5k!!
Now unfortunately, we missed Tame’s latest ‘pop up’ exhibition, but will be keeping an eye out on Trade Me.
Suggest those with an interest in supporting local artists do the same. It could be even more lucrative than climbing on the property ladder 😀

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1352678666652663810
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January 29, 2021 10:42am
- Mike
  
  Do you like the painting?
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:43am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    TBH, I initially thought it was a load of shite and hung it at the beach house 😀
    
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    January 29, 2021 11:49am
- graham
  
  ‘Much loved’?
  
  Nah, he isn’t. Really Maggie, he isn’t. He’s just a rather insignificant prat.
  
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  January 29, 2021 10:48am
- Jack5
  
  I recall reading years ago that art prices in NZ had a loose relationship to property values.
  
  When Aucklanders felt comfortable from the rising value of their home property, they bought more art, was the suggestion.
  
  If that’s correct it supports your idea, Maggie Pie, that in a property bubble, art is property to the power of X. Super-strength methamphetamine for gamblers.
  
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  January 29, 2021 11:29am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Will it burn?
  
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  January 29, 2021 11:42am
- RW Capitalist
  
  until they bring in CGT
  
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  January 29, 2021 11:51am
- kowtow
  
  A Rolf Harris daub was worth a few bob back in the day……..nowadays , not so much.
  
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  January 29, 2021 1:38pm
  - Biscuit
    
    kowtow, I saw a great Frankie Boyle joke once…
    
    “The Queen keeping Rolf Harris’s hands busy for a week [when he was painting her portrait] is probably the best thing she’s ever done.”
    
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    January 29, 2021 7:55pm
- giltee
  
  I wonder if Tame Iti is still on the dole. I recall he was when he went to stir trouble in Fiji when Bainimarama took over the country. Apart from his painting talents and causing trouble I can’t imagine he’d be very employable.
  
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  January 29, 2021 3:53pm
  - Ruahine
    
    Labour Government would employ him.
    
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    January 29, 2021 6:27pm
Maggie Pie

An Aussie replies to Prue’s scathing tweet about New Zealand…..

“They’ll be changing their name to ‘New China’ next. But that’s not us. Australia must stand strong against the CCP bully”

https://twitter.com/macsween_prue/status/1354867086745452546
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January 29, 2021 11:42am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  New Xieland
  
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  January 29, 2021 6:28pm
RW Capitalist

If robertson had any less brain function, would he still be breathing?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300217184/government-up-19-billion-as-recovery-softens-pandemic-hit
Nothing of this is good.
This just means they have BORROWED more than they have spent.
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January 29, 2021 11:48am
curry4me

https://rumble.com/vdbskn-huge-win-court-blocks-migrant-deportation-moratorium-as-biden-supporters-tu.html
Migrant Deportation Moratorium Blocked.
A Federal Court BLOCKS the hundred-day Migrant Deportation Moratorium all as Biden Supporters are Starting to Turn on Him! In this video, we’re going to look at the first of what promises to be many of Sleepy Joe’s defeats with the courts, how sanctuary states are successfully building administrative and legal walls to keep their citizens safe from Biden’s incompetence, and how more and more of Biden’s supporters are suffering from buyers’ remorse and starting to turn on him big time.
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January 29, 2021 12:45pm
Fletch

Engineers have built a machine to scrub CO2 from the air. I can’t see anything going wrong there. Considering that trees and plants live off it. ?

https://phys.org/news/2021-01-built-machines-carbon-dioxide-air.html
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January 29, 2021 12:48pm
curry4me

NZ First MPs leave Party

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/senior-nz-first-mps-tracey-martin-and-jenny-marcroft-resign-from-party/H5HOMS7WSGHBUWXYG4RBGWBNRM/#Echobox=1611813825

I guess this is news many of us will be thrilled to read. Couldn’t happen to a nicer party.
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January 29, 2021 12:49pm
- Ruahine
  
  Their 3 months is up no more taxpayer money or freebies. For them the swamp has dried up.
  
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  January 29, 2021 6:24pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyF3L-OhOeg

Farage reacts as EU panic unfolds. Fourth Reich vaccine policy
Not working out well. Minor supply problems have been encountered.
They’re demanding UK vaccines as shortages bite. UK surplus
Vaccines can be used as a negotiating tool.
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January 29, 2021 12:56pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

A Feminists view on the Dutch Oven…..

https://twitter.com/staceykate1973/status/1354844581464952836
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January 29, 2021 1:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Have you ever heard of a female flatulist?
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_P%C3%A9tomane
  
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  January 29, 2021 2:09pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    You got it wrong Maggy – don’t you mean ‘flautist ?
    (a slightly higher pitch & tone) 😆
    
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    January 29, 2021 2:38pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      well done.
      
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      January 29, 2021 2:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Liz Wheeler on drain the swamp. This is exactly what is wrong with the NZ State Sector permanent rot that cannot be removed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGquBxqjPYM
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January 29, 2021 1:57pm
- Mike
  
  Steve
  Watching that stuff will rot your brain (more).
  
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  January 29, 2021 2:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Read her book Mike. ‘Tipping Point’ How to topple the Left’s House of Cards
    
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    January 30, 2021 8:33am
fernglas

Stuff reports a survey that suggests Kiwis find New Zealand too expensive. “One survey respondent said of an experience: “For them [British visitors] it would just be £50, for us it’s $100.”
Very astute. Particularly as household average annual disposable income in the UK is L30,000, compared to $80,000 here. Perhaps they should start charging Poms in dollars.
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January 29, 2021 1:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hilarious. Dems missing Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1UJOidXe64kMhx9E0uT-kLX9tG7NcBYtWKWSFpzo2DZrGlMneIuP0Z5Sk&v=9udKNMCNRT8&feature=youtu.be
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January 29, 2021 2:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Kris Faafoi runs a Beehive Press conference to show how tough the Government is on businesses that don’t arrange Visas and Quarantine spots for their workers ….

“I want to reiterate the Prime Minister’s clear message last week that where people are organising events, such as concerts or tours, they need to have all the necessary paperwork and Covid compliance requirements sorted before they make bookings, sell tickets, or try to bring workers into New Zealand.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/435420/cruise-ship-set-sail-for-nz-without-necessary-visas

Dare the MSM mention The Wiggles?
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January 29, 2021 2:31pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Was Faafoi essentially saying that there is no Wiggle room in the system?
  
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  January 29, 2021 5:43pm
  - greybeard
    
    HDPA had him wiggling in tonight’s interview.
    His comments and replies were all pre-programmed.
    What a pathetic tosser.
    
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    January 29, 2021 6:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stand tall for animals – pathetic.
https://bongino.com/peta-calls-for-an-end-to-speciesist-language-such-as-calling-other-humans-chicken-or-pig?
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January 29, 2021 2:32pm
Ehlana

For those still trying to figure out the Covid-19 effect on death rates, the Economist offers the following analysis: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
It’s based on tracking “excess” death rates – deaths above the expectation based on historical data. That gets somewhat around the problem of whether people are only recorded as Covid deaths if they have been tested positive for it. It also accounts for the people who die of other conditions who, but for Covid, might have been diagnosed/treated/cured.
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January 29, 2021 3:04pm
Maggie Pie

God I had to laugh!
My partners mum called to say she’d just been up to get her first ‘B12’ injection.
Apparently, when the Filipino girl came out to the Waiting Room and called her name, she had to check twice if it was who Ma said she was?
The nurse told her she was expecting someone… “a lot older looking” 😀

When Ma went to pay at the reception, she asked the woman if there was a ‘Tip Y/N’ option on the Eftpos.
LOL!!
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January 29, 2021 3:08pm
WaveyDavey

NZ too expensive for Kiwi tourists

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/tourism-new-zealand-survey-finds-what-kiwis-like-and-dont-like-about-exploring-their-own-backyard/KEW4AJQPGRNLUIBFW34USQBL6A/

Parking such dumb comments as: “For them [British visitors] it would just be £50, for us it’s $100…”

and

“…researchers suggest an area like Rotorua*, with its health spas, could be a ‘fly and flop’ destination to rival holidays that Kiwis used to take in Bali or Fiji.”

Wasn’t this the same minister that said that NZ tourism should be chasing the luxury end of the market?

*I would pay good money to never again visit the feral cesspit that is Rotorua
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January 29, 2021 3:33pm
Biscuit

It’s weird, isn’t i0t, Maggie:

When you’re super young, you are so proud to be getting older: ‘I’m SEVEN now!’, eg.

And similarly if you are at the other end of the scale: ‘I’m Ninety, you know!’

Everyone in between those extremes, natch, just wants to be thought of as younger than their ‘true’ age…

(I overlook, of course, the Tweenies who are trying to convince bouncers they are ‘of age’ to hit bars!)
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January 29, 2021 4:04pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  After spending about 40k on herself, Ma still prefers to pay full return fare on the Waiheke Ferry rather than show her SuperGold Card.
  
  LOL!!
  
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  January 29, 2021 6:26pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Have done loads of travel, Maggie, but I have never been to Waiheke.
    
    (Mind, in all my Wellington-based days, I have never been to Wainuiomata, either…)
    
    What with Covid likely to stuff up
    (Mod, be grateful I said ‘stuff’!)
    another year of travel I may have to break the habits of a lifetime and visit those two dens of iniquity, heh.
    
    Tell your Ma to stock up on Rocky Road Mallowpuff biscuits for my royal visit…
    
    Tell her, too, to hunt up the 50 or so worst photos she has of you so we can have a chuckle…
    
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    January 29, 2021 8:09pm
Pharmachick

@Master Mariner (and anybody else that is interested), this answers your Q about vaccine supply etc from a few days ago…

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/world/europe/vaccine-secret-contracts-prices.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=World%20News
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January 29, 2021 4:18pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Thanks Pharmachick.
  Interesting was this bit,
  “Many will turn to the nonprofit Covax program, an alliance of more than 190 countries, which is buying from the drug makers with an eye toward making vaccines available worldwide, especially to poor countries free or at reduced cost. Some governments have signed deals with manufacturers and Covax alike.”
  NZ has signed Us into this agreement initiated by WHO.
  See below.
  https://www.who.int/initiatives/act-accelerator/covax
  And NZ
  https://www.who.int/news/item/24-08-2020-172-countries-and-multiple-candidate-vaccines-engaged-in-covid-19-vaccine-global-access-facility
  
  Well who needs an excuse for No show of Vaccine now?
  We just pass the buck onto COVAX
  Thats the way I see it.
  Im not surprised if we dont see a vaccine till next year.
  
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  January 29, 2021 4:49pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    As of today (29th here, 30th there) EU has moved to prohibit exports… Canada is ****, and I’m afraid NZ will be too.
    
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    January 30, 2021 12:10pm
cmm

Wally’s mates in the Mob have sent 60 soldiers South to Christchurch to help tilt the field in their favour.

I doubt the cops have increase by 60 members in this month to stabilise the situation.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mongrel-mob-gang-descends-on-christchurch-members-pose-for-photos-on-cook-strait-ferry/VS6LPDSOFHJGDMIYWCJ6CFSOCY/
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January 29, 2021 4:23pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  What action will NZ Cricket and Vodafone take I wonder?
  
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  January 29, 2021 4:34pm
Inandout

Watch Bill Orielly’s latest video about what is in store for US consumers with rising prices and taxes. No wonder they are saying Kill Jobs Biden. Then John Kerry is disinterred as climate man and boy he looks an old man who gets rid of oil jobs and hopes the unemployed will find another job.
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January 29, 2021 6:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Will the Prime Minister of New Xi-land tell her Trade Minister to 道歉 to Australia?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124092423/trade-minister-damien-oconnors-dumb-diplomacy-criticised-for-playing-into-chinas-hand
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January 29, 2021 6:52pm
Maggie Pie

Possible reasons for 20 minute rendezvous with someone in MIQ?

Answers…..

1. “Good evening madam. I’m here to check for any moist spots”.
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😛
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January 29, 2021 7:16pm
Happychappy

It looks like one parent of a girl that was quarantined at this hotel has called the Government out on why her daughter caught Coronavirus in Quarantine and has had enough of the bullshit the people in charge have spoken.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/01/coronavirus-mum-certain-daughter-caught-covid-19-in-miq-hotel-amid-reports-of-multiple-breaches.html
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January 29, 2021 7:27pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like it is going to be hard for Hipkins and Bloomfield to deny the nuttiness of this type of Quarantine:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124087086/covid19-busing-miq-returnees-across-auckland-for-exercise-stupid-prof-says
  
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  January 29, 2021 8:02pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124092423/trade-minister-damien-oconnors-dumb-diplomacy-criticised-for-playing-into-chinas-hand
Damien O’Connor: IQ – extremely low.
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