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lilman

So Hipkins is dismayed that a Nelson cafe wants to regulate who it allows into its own premises with regard recently released MIQ person’s.
[Deleted – Mod] never said a word about Hone setting up roadblocks in there far north.

Pissweak Government.

[Mod – “terms of endearment” such as that are a recipe for a holiday]
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December 28, 2020 8:47am
- burt
  
  Four legs good.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:06am
Happychappy

It looks like Grant Robertson and his team are more interested in their own self importance and more interested in creating stories to increase their leader Jacinda Ardern fame than looking after the Finance and spending on third party Social services organizations with the latest revelations that the Government is unsure how much the (NGO’s) are spending.
Treasury is not sure how to measure the impact of the billion of dollars being spent- which one ” working working estimates” put at 7.8 billion around 7% of all Government spending.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300215631/government-not-sure-how-much-it-is-spending-on-thirdparty-social-service-organisations
I would like to know with all this debt piling up and more billions being borrowed how it is going to be payed for or is or has Grant Robertson decided it will be written off while Jacinda Ardern is still popular and the people will agree that that’s what should happen.
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January 28, 2021 8:01am
- Happychappy
  
  I don’t want to be seen Beneficiary bashing but when a Government does not know how much it is spending on third party social services organizations and Treasury has no ideas how to measure the spending, surely this should be sending out alarm bells, and tells you one of the reasons on why the unemployed seem to have never ending pockets over the festive season.
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:28am
  - alloytoo
    
    Free equals infinite demand.
    
    Economics 101.
    
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    January 28, 2021 8:57am
    - mandk
      
      Not necessarily.
      
      ‘Free’ can mean free of value and consequently worthless.
      
      Fees-free tertiary education, and how it reduced enrolment, is an example.
      
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      January 28, 2021 9:29am
      - alloytoo
        
        The frightening part is either that a big chunk of the population either regard education as worthless, or that they regard the offerings as worthless.
        
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        January 28, 2021 10:26am
- chukar
  
  Happy Chappy,
  Robbo and his mates will inflate their way out of this mess, almost totally destroying productivity in the process..
  Inflation is happening.just look at the definition “ too much money chasing o few goods.”
  Examples in the markets include the shortage of retailers/ manufacturers inventories, .land and house prices ( yes not included in official measurements but the effects are)
  And on this blog yesterday many many .calls for increased wages and salaries.
  
  Inflation is theft that hurts those who can least afford it .
  Redistribution of wealth that previous generations, particularly the elderly have worked so hard for.
  
  Will we go back to 20% plus interest rates of the past?
  I certainly hope not!
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:53am
Greg Ettridge

Albany outbreak.
This should be called for what it is, half truths and not the full story.
Minister Hipkins states that this person never worked after being released, I find it odd that they sat in a restaurant:
12 days ago 11-2, 5-9
11 days ago 12.30-3, 5-9
So in two days they spent hours on four occasions in a restaurant but not working.
They then spent 4 days and went nowhere.
They then went to a chemist and then kept shopping for food at several locations.
They were then finally tested.
If he believes this, I really do feel for him, he has no common sense at all.
He and MOH are being played as fools.
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January 28, 2021 8:04am
- Frank the tank
  
  I’m convinced we go to L3 in Auckland at 12.00am Sat morning for 2 weeks.
  
  If this is as contagious as we have been told we will get further cases in the next 48 hours folks.
  
  Enjoy the next 2 days in Auckland folks, go to the restaurants, enjoy the beaches because it’s likely come sat morning we are back to queues and masks at the supermarket.
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:13am
  - kowtow
    
    Frank , if one were to do wot gubmint’s want then everyone should be panicking , masking and gloving up and “staying home to save lives” .
    
    My money says this ain’t as highly infectious as the Media pardy and cynical fear mongering pollies say it is and we’re all being played to ‘save the health service”
    
    if that’s wot gubmints want to do then they can go ahead and save the health service , but let the rest of the world get on with things ,like life .
    
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    January 28, 2021 8:33am
    - Frank the tank
      
      I agree with your second sentence although I fear we are one dumbarse away from a lockdown.
      
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      January 28, 2021 9:30am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        And Labour have so many “dumb arses” to choose from!
        
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        January 28, 2021 10:07am
  - backster
    
    Can’t we hold it off until 7th Feb, Cindy has important engagements up that end of the country.
    
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    January 28, 2021 8:55am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Northland is arguably in the all clear – direct flight from the central shithole to Whangarei while all the poor souls in the northern Shithole are in a L3 lockdown.
      
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      January 28, 2021 9:32am
  - amospicton
    
    If this is as contagious as we’ve been told how did the 16(?) closest contacts all test negative?
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:12am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Not a bad question I suppose.
      
      I guess you ask the question looking for an answer. Do you think there might be a KB poster with the qualifications to answer it?
      
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      January 28, 2021 10:26am
      - fernglas
        
        Yes. Statistically only about 17% of people infected transmit the virus, so it doesn’t matter if it’s more contagious at that point. It’s apparently a genetic thing.
        
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        January 28, 2021 11:28am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Citation?
        
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        January 28, 2021 6:00pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Her husband did not test positive. Makes you wonder
        
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        January 28, 2021 6:37pm
  - geoff3012
    
    Are bodies stacking up on the streets again?
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:44am
  - kiwibird
    
    “Enjoy the next 2 days in Auckland folks, go to the restaurants, enjoy the beaches because it’s likely come sat morning we are back to queues and masks at the supermarket”
    
    Exactly how many Aucklanders behave , rather than some self restraint till we know how it all stands. Probably be a rush for the beach baches again as well by the inconsiderate.
    
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    January 28, 2021 10:56am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Easy answer fuck the quarantine facilities away from your biggest city and economic powerhouse; have proper quarantine facilities and procedures not the “learn by fuck up” test facilities this dumb arse leader and government implements.
      
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      January 28, 2021 8:09pm
  - Bob
    
    If this new outbreak is as contagious as we are being lead to believe, why are we not seeing, and hearing, words of comfort and encouragement from our PTPM at 1 pm each day??
    
    Oh I forgot, …..this isn’t an ELECTION YEAR.
    
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    January 28, 2021 11:23am
  - redflagged
    
    They’ll delay until Monday week (8th Feb)
    
    Jacinda needs her Waitangi Photo-Op first, then they can’t seem to make a decision on any day other than after a Monday Cabinet (speaking notes and what to dismiss) Meeting.
    
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    January 28, 2021 3:01pm
- G152
  
  You have to admit though. They are well qualified to be fools
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:22am
  - Don Beckett
    
    “Bring out your dead…….bring out your dead”.
    
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    January 28, 2021 10:29am
- Tony Stuart
  
  He and MOH are being played as fools.
  
  Alternatively, he and the MoH are playing US for fools; take your pick 😀
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:05am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Tony, I agree with you.
    
    We saw it on Sunday, and we’re seeing it now.
    
    It plays as follows:
    1. They (the govt and MoH) get news of a Covid story;
    2. They then set up a press conference for some hours later;
    3. Before the press conference, they desperately scramble about for more facts, while fashioning the story to spin at the press conference;
    4. At the press conference, there is usually only limited details give (because they don’t have all the facts as seen on Sunday & last night). While giving the press conference they obfiscate with half truths, while holding crossed fingers behind their backs hoping matters do not get worse.
    
    Last night was a case in point, someone had the “brain cell” idea to suggest the latest two were giving weak positives and may be historic, given that they had already given two negative results previously. They then compounded the situation by releasing news that Countdown Orewa needed to close for deep cleaning. Only for a hour later, the story changes, because they had the wrong Orewa supermarket.
    
    So reality. They are fools, playing US for fools.
    
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    January 28, 2021 11:14am
    - Nickc2
      
      Please can we have a mid-term election too?
      
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      January 28, 2021 11:38am
      - Paulus
        
        She would still be re elected with a good majority anyway !
        
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        January 28, 2021 1:03pm
- DeepBlue
  
  The official instruction is everyone in the premises (BBQ King, Pak n Save, New World plus others) for quite a few hours must isolate until negative test result received. That is a lot of people…. Will they all comply?
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:06am
  - Ehlana
    
    At a restaurant you might sit within 2m of a contagious person for longer than 15 minutes, but at the supermarket, even if you shop slowly, it’s unlikely you would meet those criteria.
    
    Stoking and spreading fear is irresponsible. We can’t isolate ourselves completely; the aircraft and ships that link us to the rest of the world all require crew. Elimination isn’t possible, so we need to minimise the hazard – wash hands, watch distances, wear masks as applicable, run quarantine for incoming workers and returning NZ citizens.
    
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    January 28, 2021 11:34am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Exactly Ehlana and well said.
      
      “Stoking and spreading fear is irresponsible. We can’t isolate ourselves completely; the aircraft and ships that link us to the rest of the world all require crew.”
      The real question is if we have to too Live with it then ” Why the hell did we lock down in first place”
      
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      January 28, 2021 4:39pm
- Ruahine
  
  We are being played as being the even bigger fools.
  Queueing for six hours. Wake up New Zealand.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:10am
  - Surely Knott
    
    And the 6 hour queues are bananas. Why don’t they just quickly set up a free google my business page (free) for each testing station. And then it would show predicted and actual busy times so people can plan when to go or which ones are least busy. And they could easily purchase one of the many pieces of queue management software so people can book a slot, and be pre-screened, have done all the paper work online , and show up closer to their time.
    
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    January 28, 2021 2:08pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Covid has been with us for almost a year. Whilst the Government was lucky the election was in the early stages so there was plenty of goodwill as time passes with more cockups I suspect the goodwill to fade and be replaced by anger at their inability to ‘fix the problem”.
  
  Governments are elected on the basis they have said they will “fix the problem” even when they cant think housing.
  
  Over time the citizens get pissed off and unelect them even if they think the ‘other lot” aren’t any better. Its a case of “anyone but”.
  
  If the Government hasn’t “fixed the problem” as we get nearer to Election 2023 I suspect they will declare a “War on Covid” and use the Churchill slogan “let us finish the job”.
  
  Alas many citizens will fall for it.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:26am
  - redflagged
    
    When did a government actually fix a problem? They are usually the ones that make/create them, and then they subsidise the mistakes.
    
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    January 28, 2021 3:38pm
- coge
  
  Wonder if this person has some connection to Labour?
  
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  January 28, 2021 10:49am
- artemisia
  
  Those hours at BBQ King might just mean they love the food. Or just maybe they don’t want officialdom to know with why they are there, and there just maybe might be dots to be joined.
  
  Ministers do tell us that hours reported for contact tracing may be increased due to ‘an abundance of caution’.
  
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  January 28, 2021 11:48am
  - Nickc2
    
    Why are we guessing why these people were at BBQ King so long? These people are known, why not ask them?
    
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    January 28, 2021 12:24pm
    - artemisia
      
      Maybe they were asked and said they were into long lunches. And dinners. To be fair though most people don’t ‘sign out’ when leaving (or even sign in) so they may have been vague.
      
      Or there is some other reason but I couldn’t possibly hazard a guess.
      
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      January 28, 2021 1:46pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I read somewhere that she left for Europe for work purposes in Spain or Italy & the Netherlands. Which is problematic in itself.
  
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  January 28, 2021 6:39pm
Don Beckett

This is how reliable most of our (left leaning) news providers are. Newsweek retroactively editing a 6 year old article, because it conflicted with one they wrote last week – the Cancel Culture at its best :

https://the-american-catholic.com/2021/01/27/rangers-and-the-cancel-culture/
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January 28, 2021 8:06am
- mandk
  
  Another example of the prescience of Orwell’s 1984.
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:24am
Maggy Wassilieff

What happens when you pay everyone the same salary in your firm?

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55800730
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January 28, 2021 8:07am
- MCos
  
  Most offices I worked in new arrivals were paid according to their job description plus a variation within that band depending on previous experience, qualifications etc
  I worked in an office once where they were paid depending on how desperate the big boss was to plug a hole.
  That was fine until about the first lunchtime, by which time everyone would figure out what was going on.
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:58am
  - NoCash
    
    [Piss off with the gutter smut. Not wanted here. Mod.]
    
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    January 28, 2021 2:36pm
- alloytoo
  
  Productivity declines to the lowest common denominator?
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:59am
- Nickc2
  
  The teachers union wants all teachers paid the same in order to improve kid’s education. Get real!
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:19am
- mandk
  
  Thanks Maggie, another example (if one were needed) of how socialism is unworkable and stupid.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:32am
Maggie Pie

SCIENCE IS A WONDERFUL THING!

This very powerful image depicts in graphic format just how many inoculations/vaccines a child may receive between birth and adulthood….

https://twitter.com/bookofoursjulie/status/1354076214781222913
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January 28, 2021 8:09am
- Tall Man
  
  Your point?
  
  Would you rather see cemetary crosses?
  
  Now here’s an image of how many cans your partner can empty in a weekend 😉
  
  https://www.kentonline.co.uk/_media/img/IE6ZWNQL27E40IAPHERN.jpg
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:17am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! Looks like the maimai after him and his mates have been there for opening day 😀
    
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    January 28, 2021 10:14am
    - Tall Man
      
      Glad I’m not invited ……. 😉
      
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      January 28, 2021 6:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Government is emptying the Pullman.

Incubator Central
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January 28, 2021 8:10am
- Frank the tank
  
  As someone has pointed out a few times here:
  
  A cruise ship is a hotel on water, a hotel is a cruise ship on land.
  
  We all know how cruise ships went in the pandemic…..
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:15am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Actually Frank we do and it was the only data we needed to look at. Check out Worldometers Diamond Princess numbers, pretty impressive and told us all we needed to know about this virus.
    Points to note though;
    1/ That cruise has a demographic that skwes to the older traveler, not sure why but it does.
    2/ One of the deaths was of a gentleman who was dying of cancer and the cruise was his last trip with the family before his demise within weeks of returning.
    3/ The relative lack of illness in the crew who tend to be younger.
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:08am
    - Frank the tank
      
      I think you are missing the point – the point I was attempting to make is that Hotels (based off their design) are not good quarantine facilities
      
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      January 28, 2021 11:56am
  - Tall Man
    
    Really?
    
    “The British-registered Diamond Princess was the first cruise ship to have a major outbreak on board, with the ship quarantined at Yokohama from 4 February 2020 for approximately one month. Over 700 people became infected, and 14 people died. ”
    
    How many people on board in total …. 6,000? Over half those in the really high risk category so a total rate of 2% deaths. There are a few hundred deaths each year on cruises unrelated to covid.
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:19am
    - Master Mariner
      
      It would be more beneficial working out deck by deck, Crews quarters and passengengers.
      my guess all AC will be on recirc ( cheaper to keep cool) and crew quarters not.
      All in all an interesting case, more so from a legal prospective and liabilities.
      Ships Surgeon signs the declaration of Health, i believe this is where the court cases will come from.
      Interesting all the same.
      
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      January 28, 2021 4:47pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:18am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    again . . .
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:40am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Shutting” …….
    
    Surely you jest young man 😉
    
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    January 28, 2021 10:25am
Yvette

Mana Movement leader and former Māori Party MP Hone Harawira has tonight slammed the Government’s handling of two possible new Auckland community Covid-19 cases, as he confirmed Northland will resume checkpoints to try and keep the virus out.

“Tens of thousands of people are due to swamp Northland over the three-day Auckland Anniversary Weekend, and yet neither the police, central Government or the health authorities have announced plans to support Tai Tokerau through this dangerous period.

“The Tai Tokerau Border Control is therefore moving ahead with its plans to establish checkpoints to protect kaumātua and kuia in the north and Māori people in general, who comprise some of the most at-risk groups to the latest virulent variant.” – 1 News, yesterday

Will the Government allow Hone Harawira and his “team” to direct “tens of thousands of people due to swamp Northland over the three-day Auckland Anniversary Weekend” – this coming weekend, like day after tomorrow?

RNZ reports iwi leaders in the Far North are also asking residents over the age of 50 to stay home while authorities work to contain the spread of Covid via these latest cases.

In fact, are Maori (or some of them) carrying out functions that the Government is failing to do?
Indeed, are Maori right when some indicated recently – in vaccination priority plans – they are due care and protection in terms of the Treaty, and having mentioned that, the Government announces that in fact they do have substantial priority.

Or being aware of the demise of Hawaiians to introduced disease and the deaths of thousands, well before the signing of the Treaty, why is there no Article 4 of the Treaty to cover that?
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January 28, 2021 8:12am
- Frank the tank
  
  Justifying segregationist activities on an intellectually faulty argument.
  
  Maori or any other race of human is not more or less susceptible to WuFlu unless they are completed isolated from the modern world (ala Amazonian tribes).
  
  Yes there might be activities (close gathering) or actions (obesity due to overeating) that make a culture and/or race more susceptible. That’s nothing to do with race however and group actions shouldn’t dictate vaccination priorities.
  
  As for the treaty having specific provisions for vaccination priorities all I can say is Bill Hobson was obviously a man with incredible foresight….FMD.
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:36am
  - redflagged
    
    I have no issue with the fatties getting prioritised, regardless of race or culture. They don’t have that much quality time left as it is.
    
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    January 28, 2021 4:15pm
- Scott
  
  Yvette – I’m not actually sure what your line of thinking is on this issue?
  But here is mine. As I stated yesterday on general debate my family and I am not going to Northland and have cancelled our trip because of virus concerns. A secondary consideration was the possible disruption of travel by Tai Tokerau who are setting up checkpoints.
  
  There are no special rights for Maori people. We are all New Zealanders and we should all have the same rights. There is no right for tribal people to set up roadblocks to stop New Zealanders travelling down the Queens Highway. To allow them to do that is wrong.
  
  I don’t know why this is so hard to understand? Maori did not get any special rights under the Treaty of Waitangi. In 1840 the Maori people and any other people living here at the time, including my three times great-grandfather, became British subjects. So they were all in the same boat, they all became subjects of the Crown.
  
  There is no partnership. The Crown doesn’t enter into partnerships. All of our ancestors in 1840 became subjects of the Crown with its attendant rights and responsibilities. That is all.
  
  Hone Harawira has no more right to blockade Northland than you or I do. For the government to allow this is an abdication of responsibility.
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:37am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Try looking at it from another point of view Scott is the potential spread of Covid less important than you going on holiday?
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:02am
    - Scott
      
      Brian – okay, try looking at it from this point of view. Do you Brian McDonald believe that Hone Harawira has the right to stop traffic and question people and turn people away from going into Northland?
      And please explain your answer?
      
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      January 28, 2021 9:13am
    - cmm
      
      Try looking at it from even another perspective:
      
      Is the potential to electrocute people more important than your ability to have electricity in the house?
      
      Is the potential to kill someone on the roads less important than you going on holiday?
      
      Is your ability to buy a hamburger more important than people dying from obesity?
      
      Just imagine how freaked out people would get if the Mob took away your cars, took away electricity or your Maccas.
      
      Can you really believe that some people care so little about other people that they actually own a car and drive it and they don’t even care that cars kill people?
      
      Can you believe that people have dangerous electricity inside the house with kids running around? Insane!
      
      Can you believe we have fast food when every day about 30 people die from obesity and diet related issues? Amazzzing!
      
      We make a deal with ourselves in society – we have risks that we take to get certain rewards.
      
      When a new risk comes along people are fearful. When they learn to accept and understand the risk we move on.
      
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      January 28, 2021 9:22am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Well done post of the week.
        
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        January 28, 2021 9:35am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        If the roadblocks are deemed necessary to go up they will without any further consideration. The spectre of Helen Clark overshadows them along with Seabed and Foreshore Act for the PM to consider the political future of the Labour Party.
        
        https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/has-the-treaty-played-a-role-in-our-covid-success/ar-BB1d98f3?ocid=msedgdhp
        
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        January 28, 2021 9:35am
      - cmm
        
        Brian, two questions for you:
        1) Who deems them necessary? Are you happy with Hone’s Heroes making the decision for themselves?
        2) Who performs the function. Do you want Hone’s Heroes and Wally’s Mob Mates doing this?
        
        Just because they want it does not mean they get to violate the law.
        
        The people in my street would be far safer if we set up roadblocks and checkpoints and stopped the people from the baby factory zone (one street over) walking through “our” area.
        
        Can I set up a roadblock/checkpoint and tell them to bugger off?
        
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        January 28, 2021 10:07am
      - IC5000
        
        > When a new risk comes along people are fearful. When they learn to accept and understand the risk we move on
        
        Nobody understands the full risk at the moment. Covid results in damage to multiple internal organs from the brain to the kidneys with people having suffering over months and maybe years. What happens if a significant number of people of working age are struck down unable to work for the rest of their lives?
        
        You are talking about the risk from a position of ignorance.
        
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        January 28, 2021 2:54pm
      - cmm
        
        IC5000 Nobody fully understands any risks. That’s one of the reasons they are called risks.
        
        You don’t know what chance you have of being hit by a car today or not.
        
        “Covid results in damage to multiple internal organs from the brain to the kidneys with people having suffering over months and maybe years. ”
        
        That’s more fearmongering horseshit to make you believe that there is something special about CV19. The same is true of flu, colds, diseases etc.
        
        Getting a tooth infection results in damage to your internal organs and increases your chance of heart attack.
        
        “What happens if a significant number of people of working age are struck down unable to work for the rest of their lives? ”
        
        What happens if they don’t? The vast majority of people who get infected don’t get any more symptoms than if they get a cold.
        
        So far we’ve signed up enough debt to put a generation of people on the back foot. That means for the next 25 years we have less economic room to move if there’s some natural disaster etc. (Hint: This is NZ – we’re always having natural disasters).
        
        We can’t hide quivering under our beds forever based on “what if”s.
        
        Here’s a “what if” for you: What if we get a REALLY BAD pandemic – something like Spanish flu (which is hundreds of times worse than CV19) in the next 20 years? We’ve blown our resources on CV19.
        
        Yes, CV is worse than the average flu (but is about as bad as a bad flu) and yes, it needs some response. But over-responding is crazy.
        
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        January 28, 2021 5:22pm
      - IC5000
        
        > IC5000 Nobody fully understands any risks. That’s one of the reasons they are called risks.
        
        You do not know what you are talking about and continue to draw false analogies with electricity and car accidents in an effort convince people otherwise.
        
        What I had drawn attention too are the possible consequences of contracting covid which you seem to ignore by comparing it to the flu. The population are not going to accept what you say because it is based around the economic costs not the human costs. They can see how other countries have decided to ‘live with the risks’ and seen the human costs. If you cannot be honest about the risks of covid how are you going to persuade the public?
        
        > We make a deal with ourselves in society – we have risks that we take to get certain rewards.
        
        Looking around at posters here including yourself all they care about are rights not responsibilities. Ideas like duty and obligation are entirely absent in their vocabulary. Look at the views on scanning QR codes or wear masks FFS. This is why you and the rest here will never understand the concerns of real New Zealanders, because your value system is so divorced from mainstream NZ society. That is why you are so confused about the course the Government has taken and why it enjoys such widespread support.
        
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        January 28, 2021 6:24pm
    - rouppe
      
      Less important than allowing Harawira setting up what amounts to a militia
      
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      January 28, 2021 3:59pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘There is no partnership. The Crown doesn’t enter into partnerships. All of our ancestors in 1840 became subjects of the Crown with its attendant rights and responsibilities.’
    
    Worth repeating . . .
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:43am
    - Unity
      
      ‘Worth repeating . . .’ over and over again until the Government actually finally gets it. Will they ever??!! Also, the Maori who signed the Treaty are no longer – they have more other ancestry than Maori. There is no partnership and there never was. There was no overall Leader or Sovereignty before the Treaty. Goodness none of the tribes could get on with each other hence the continual fighting up and down the country.
      
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      January 28, 2021 10:52am
    - Justitia
      
      The “partnership” chimera arises from a willful misrepresentation of Justice Lord Cooke’s 1987 statement on the interpretation of the “Treaty Principles” clause inserted by Geoffrey Palmer in the State Owned Enterprises Act. Cooke used the idea of “partnership” as a simile to describe what he considered to be the Crown’s responsibilities to Maori under the Treaty to whom he said the Crown had a fiduciary duty. He argued the relationship was “akin to a partnership” but he did not say it was a partnership in itself nor did he suggest there was any dimension like “co-governance” or “co-management” under the Treaty . It is astonishing and wrong that successive governments have promoted this myth which in fact can only cause division. New Zealand is a unitary State, not a biracial condominium.
      
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      January 28, 2021 2:46pm
      - Nickc2
        
        One has to ask why this hasn’t had more prominence, especially in the teaching of NZ History? I guess it’s because it doesn’t suit the MO of those who seek to rip off honest taxpaying NZers.
        
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        January 28, 2021 8:48pm
  - Yvette
    
    Te Tai Tokerau COVID-19 checkpoints to go ahead without police – RNZ’s Checkpoint (haha)
    
    In a statement, Northland police Inspector Riki Whiu said police were not aware of a local group’s plans to re-establish checkpoints in the region.
    
    (Neither he or his staff read online media, apparently)
    
    “We are all coming to this kaupapa from the same place out of a need to protect the most vulnerable in the community. As we have throughout the Covid-19 response, we continue to work with our partners which includes iwi,” he said.
    “Police respect and recognise the good intentions of the group, however, while New Zealand remains in alert level 1 police do not believe there is any requirement for checkpoints at this time.”
    
    Would it not be appropriate, even expected, that PM Ardern make some definitive statement on what parties – road blockers and travellers – can legally do, before some tragedy occurs.
    Does not the long weekend and proposed checkpoints start from tomorrow sometime?
    So, given the time frame, should there not be a statement of impulsive kindness to guide the team of 5 million?
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:46am
    - The Housekeeper
      
      This is awesome. We live in a cul-de-sac in Christchurch and can’t wait to be able post sentries and deny entry to anyone who looks at all dodgy. Bless them for the precedent.
      
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      January 28, 2021 10:24am
    - Nickc2
      
      “We continue to work with our partners which includes iwi,” he said.
      Geeeezus wept, where did this clown come from? Since when have Police been permitted to enter into partnerships with iwi? If they are, who granted them authority to do so and why?
      
      Hey, maybe part of the partnership includes no Police/RNZAF surveillance of illegal marijuana crops? There you go, it had nothing whatsoever to do with insufficient funding for the surveillance operation.
      
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      January 28, 2021 10:51am
      - The Housekeeper
        
        Or that the Police have way cooler toys to play with at Pike River and everyone is too scared to ask where the hell all the money is going, and for what?
        
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        January 28, 2021 1:46pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Already at it:
      https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-35.4826449,174.1255633,12.25z/data=!5m1!1e1
      We need to remember that this really has nothing to do with Covid, just a couple of the bluntest tools in the shed that I’ve had the misfortune to work with a couple of times throwing their activist muscle about.
      It’s also interesting to note that John Carter, as FNDC mayor, is starting to demonstrate his “passed use by date” status given his supportive comments on the current situation.
      
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      January 28, 2021 11:31am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Great – makes parts of previous obsolete but at least something has been done this time!!
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/covid-19-coronavirus-police-close-down-northland-iwi-checkpoint-set-up-at-waiomio-to-stop-spread-of-virus/XJ5IABUROA54ESUCYL2VO3ECUI/
        
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        January 28, 2021 12:01pm
    - redflagged
      
      Mangere and Manukau Militia may set up road blocks near the airport. Could make the base of all MIQ (Maori Isolation and Quarantine) operations at Ihumātao.
      
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      January 28, 2021 4:25pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The rule of law is abandoned once again. Have the Police turned into guinea pigs, pets for HM Ardern to play with?
    
    Where are our constitutional lawyers to stop this rot?
    
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    January 28, 2021 10:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Why no Article 4?
  
  The link between microorganisms (bacteria) and disease transmission really only developed after Pasteur’s work in the late 1870s-1880s.
  
  The exact nature of viruses causing human disease was only established in the 1930s-40s.
  
  Basically, back in 1840 most folks were unaware of how diseases were introduced into and transmitted through a community.
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:41am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Being unaware of how diseases were introduced didn’t mean they did not exist Maggie.
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:00am
    - chuk
      
      Poor comprehension skills from BM.
      
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      January 28, 2021 9:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m well aware of that fact Brian… but I’m explaining why no provision was made in 1840 for Māori ‘s lack of immunity to some disease-carrying organisms.
      
      Folks didn’t realise how influenza etc was transmitted… It’s not as if folks from the N.Hemisphere deliberately introduced their bugs into NZ.
      
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      January 28, 2021 9:58am
      - Jack5
        
        The people of the South Pacific had their own almost universal disease, yaws. This seems to have made them immune from syphilis, until modern medicine pretty much wiped out yaws.
        
        Is bitching in this country about Whites bringing disease paralleled about Columbus and Co. introducing syphilis from South America? I doubt it.
        
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        January 28, 2021 11:06am
      - Jack5
        
        Also, leprosy was present in the South Pacific before the arrival of European explorers.
        
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        January 28, 2021 11:23am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Te Rangi Hìroa/Sir Peter Buck recorded leprosy amongst Māori…and reckoned it had been here in Pre-European times.
        http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BucMedi-t1-body-d1-d13.html
        
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        January 28, 2021 6:56pm
    - The Housekeeper
      
      Brian, [Mod : A “when did you stop beating your wife?” sort of “question” that doesn’t add anything to whatever this debate is about. Don’t be a smartarse ]
      
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      January 28, 2021 2:04pm
- Clyde
  
  Now the far north racist groups are re-labelling their roadblocks as “information centres” to get round the flaccid Police response to illegal road blocks. So if a totally legal user of the road refuses to stop at one of these roadblocks what will the Police response be?
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:54am
  - kowtow
    
    Obstructing the Queen’s Highway is a common law offence .
    
    And that’s just for starters.
    
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    January 28, 2021 11:03am
  - Jack5
    
    What happens when someone runs down a road block vigilante?
    
    Could a frightened driver be charged for hitting a civilian trying to enforce an unofficial road block?
    Would it be self-defence?
    
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    January 28, 2021 11:11am
    - alloytoo
      
      Could a frightened driver be charged for hitting a potential Hijacker?
      
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      January 28, 2021 1:28pm
Simon

Covid19 from pandemic to endemic.

The vaccines will not / might not work as the virus mutates. The jury is out on this one. Its likely the vaccines will not work for various reasons.

What’s the exist strategy?

Covid19 will come back to mainstream NZ for sure.

Flatten the curve into elimination. Reality is herd immunity wins. Flatten the curve / elimination is just more government rubbish. See the cretins running the UK.

All the economic crushing lockdowns dont work and the virus plays itself out sooner or later. Across some US states the virus has burnt itself out.

What you can do is not get fat, vitamin D & take ivermectin. Cindy will not save you.
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January 28, 2021 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Across some US states the virus has burnt itself out.’
  
  Citation please . I’m genuinely interested.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:54am
  - Paulus
    
    kowtow
    Easy, Biden became President so it went away !
    
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    January 28, 2021 1:10pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “The vaccines will not / might not work as the virus mutates. The jury is out on this one. Its likely the vaccines will not work for various reasons.”
  
  Can you cite any evidence at all for that statement? I can post dozens of reports that say you are wrong. Here is one.
  
  https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-01-vaccines-coronavirus-variants.html
  
  And this one:
  
  “Across some US states the virus has burnt itself out.”
  
  Any evidence?
  
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  January 28, 2021 12:49pm
I remember when

The combined oratory skills of the Governmental spokespeople seem to be able to convince the virus the odds of community transmission is too high.
Have Labour discovered a previously unrealised covid-19 weakness – the lack of transmission ability when faced with a seemingly plausible argument.
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January 28, 2021 8:22am
New Zealander

So National have gone from wanting to abolish race-based seats in Parliament to being so desperate they’re going to stand candidates in Maori seats.

They’ve lost the plot.

The biggest boost in support they ever had was after Don Brash’s Orewa Speech. Polling wise it was a bigger increase than “Jacindamania” when Ardern became Labour leader.

Who the hell is advising National?

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/exclusive-national-party-contest-m-ori-electorate-seats
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January 28, 2021 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  It must be focus groups ,who’ve been captured by the latest Media pardy fads ;BLM , George Floyd , TDS , climate scam etc
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:36am
  - Doc Holliday
    
    Man you’re going to be apoplectic when the Climate Change Commission report comes out Feb 1.
    
    Please think before being cremated – produces more CO2 than your car for a year.
    
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    January 28, 2021 11:12am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      But the other main alternative in NZ – burial- is also environmentally suspect.
      https://cen.acs.org/environment/Video-Cremation-burial-composting-Calculating/97/i41
      
      Alternatives are rather thin on the ground… but if I’m lucky, I might manage to decompose in some remote bit of scrub or provide a decent feed for the sea lice and crayfish in Poverty Bay.
      
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      January 28, 2021 12:36pm
      - Doc Holliday
        
        Man is ingenious – but not as much as a bad girl…
        
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        January 28, 2021 12:52pm
- DeepBlue
  
  I actually support National putting candidates in the Maori seats. This actually makes the seats less special, and over time more irrelevant. It is easier to then shift to 67 electorate seats.
  
  You can’t win a contest you don’t compete in.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:12am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    “A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.”
    
    WarGames (1983)
    
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    January 28, 2021 10:32am
  - kowtow
    
    They need to win back their “heartland” seats , lost in their last clusterf@ck ,we call the general election before even contemplating wasting their time on seats they so half heartedly claim to want abolished.
    
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    January 28, 2021 11:05am
- Raphael
  
  It’s 5 electorate seats going begging. You can disagree with the Maori seats and still contest them.
  
  Much like the Brexit Party ran for the EU parliament.
  
  The reality is in today’s world, the Maori electorates are not going away anytime soon as the Wokeists embrace apartheid.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:26am
  - MCos
    
    Seven Maori seats. Keep up.
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:40am
    - Jack5
      
      The Maori Party and Labour Party mob are riled by the fact that National will offer a choice in Maori seats.
      
      National must be on the right track if they are worried.
      
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      January 28, 2021 11:25am
      - Ian Boag
        
        It really doesn’t matter. MMP again. A Nat-leaning voter in a Maori electorate will party-vote Nat. The electorate result then becomes irrelevant.
        
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        January 28, 2021 2:34pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Don Brash didn’t win the election so it was a great speech that turned to smoke. The link between his comments at Orewa and the outcome of the next election is not clear, but he did lose. National lost in 2017 arguably because of lack of support given to the Maori Party.
  Judith might be showing the smarts it appeared she and National didn’t have, or she might as Willie Jackson says, be desperate.
  As I mentioned to Scott yesterday the Land Wars never finished.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:26am
  - Doc Holliday
    
    Don Brash – the best prime minister we never had.
    
    A thoroughly decent and honourable man, and completely correct about the Maori seats. A fair society should not need them, and that’s what we need to aim for, not power based on ancestry.
    
    (Your view may be prejudiced by your family, I understand that.)
    
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    January 28, 2021 11:18am
- MCos
  
  The Orewa Speech was seventeen years ago yesterday.
  Whereas the Nats may have had a temporary boost from his call to abolish the Maori seats for Maori it’s been more permanent with the proportion of the population who identified as Maori increasing markedly in subsequent census. This is reflected in the increased number of Maori seats.
  John Key also said he wanted to get rid of the Maori seats, but he had a bob each way by bringing the Maori Party into his coalition.
  BTW
  Āpirana Ngata was the National MP for Eastern Maori
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:36am
- niggly
  
  I well remember commentator NgatiMozart making a very pertinent comment in recent weeks, he said that being on Māori roll (and I guess with centre-right leanings) he has NO “right or centre-right” candidate he can vote for (for the electorate seat)!
  
  From that perspective it is important for the likes of National (and anyone else) to have candidates on the Maori roll. After all there are votes there to be had (which could explain why Labour are using Willie Jackson to “attack” this idea).
  
  In fact National (and other like minded parties) could seek some excellent, outstanding, Māori candidates, they could be role models for Māoridom (instead of the narrative being driven by the Left and that of constant grievance, hand outs and separatism).
  
  Surely there must be many candidates in the mold of Sir Āpirana Ngata out there, now is the time to step up!
  
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  January 28, 2021 10:14am
- Unity
  
  I felt the same when I heard it last night and thought I wouldn’t now vote National. However I’ve been thinking and wondering if perhaps it is a calculated move. When they are next in power they could abolish the Maori Seats and perhaps they need to be out there in a position to gain as much as they can even if some of it has to come from the Maori Seats. I hope I’m right otherwise I will continue to be disgusted. A big part of me feels they shouldn’t bother with trying to get the Maori vote as Maori don’t tend to vote National.
  
  I’m actually ‘over’ anything to do with ‘Maori’. I’m sick and tired of the actual word – it’s an almighty turn-off. There are no Maori today – they have more other ancestry even if they identify as Maori. They are racist with all their divisions based on race and it’s time they learned to be New Zealanders along with the rest of us, all moving ahead together.
  
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  January 28, 2021 10:58am
Simon

All the ongoing “gun” violence in Auckland. Why are all the gun hating left so quiet?
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January 28, 2021 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  It’s not the guns they hate . It’s whose got ’em that matters.
  
  I never heard an anti gun “activist” too worried about “liberation” movements being awash in guns supplied by the likes of the Soviets and their proxies when they were being used against “white colonial imperialists” etc
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:57am
Maggie Pie

Sounds like the CCP might be getting a little nervous about the WHO investigation into the cause of the Chynaa Virus outbreak.

Relatives of Wuhan Covid victims are being silenced by Beijing, they have already had their social media accounts deleted and been subjected to intimidation.

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1354491328558747649
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January 28, 2021 8:26am
- cmm
  
  The willfully bling WHO are not really going to find anything. They know what side their bread is buttered on.
  
  Besides, the WHO-elete don’t want their kidneys ending up on ebay.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:25am
  - cmm
    
    blind, not bling,…. damn meds…
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:59am
    - Tall Man
      
      I think “bling” is appropriate as they all like their baubles.
      
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      January 28, 2021 10:32am
peterwn

So the Insurance Council spokesperson is claiming that terraced houses, semi-detatched houses etc without a body corporate may have insurance difficulties because there is no entity to organise communal insurance. Now, some people do not like the idea of owning a dwelling where there is a body corporate involved because of fees, internal politics, rules, etc. So developers have responded by developments for townhouses etc where each unit has its own lot. The density does mean that units share boundary walls (called ‘party walls’). These walls (together with various access and service easements) are the only communal property and are too trivial to require a permanent body corporate. Indeed party walls have been around for decades or even centuries before unit titles or bodies corporate were thought of and the insurance industry have managed to cope with them OK. Party walls are brick or concrete and extend to roofline (or even above it) so are fire resistant – that would be a building permit requirement.
The Insurance Council spokesperson would have a point where communal property is more complex than party walls and service easements, but the spokesperson should have researched the matter more with his members before spouting off about this.
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January 28, 2021 8:27am
- Tall Man
  
  Bollocks.
  
  You are insured and your neighbour is not. The complex burns to the ground. Did you ensure the entire party wall or just your half? Are you happy to have your house repaired or rebuilt while the uninsured burned out hulk of your neighbour’s house rots slowly away?
  
  Should your insure charge you more because they may have to incur additional costs seeking recompense from your uninsured neighbour should the destruction of your property be as a direct result of their stupidity?
  
  The council said there will be “difficulties” not zero capacity. Difficulties mean extra premiums. Do you want to pay more?
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:30am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The poms have got this sorted, just don’t have a busy body organisation to interfere in their lives, they have plenty of others tho’, less since Brexit . . .
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:49am
KevO'Brien

It’s hard being Green. I always enjoy Willis Eschenbach’s mathematical logic. Changing to present conventional alternative energy sources before 2050 seems to be impossible.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/27/bright-green-impossibilities/

There is hope–I expect more about that soon.
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January 28, 2021 8:31am
I remember when

The John Banks Magic Talk hosting episode shows the problem talk-back hosts always have – when to nod instead of speaking.
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January 28, 2021 8:32am
Rusty

So John Banks has got the boot from magic talk for supposedly agreeing with a caller who referred to the Maori people as a stone-age people and culture.

It seemed to offend NZ cricket who threatened to cut live commentaries from that station if Banks wasn’t dealt to.

Is NZ cricket now a political organization who decide what is acceptable or unacceptable free speech on the radio/media?

Considering the anger of most Kiwi cricket fans with NZ cricket going to Spark would they really have cut ties with magic talk and angered fans even more?
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January 28, 2021 8:42am
- backster
  
  Banksy was far and away the best talkback show of the holidays.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:17am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hasn’t angered me.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:39am
- MCos
  
  Talking about two different things, Rusty.
  NZC threw their lot in with Spark rather than the failing Sky because it’s a an expensive business and they need the extra revenue.
  Personally I subscribe to Spark because I’m not cheap & $24/mth is hardly going to break the bank.
  That’s the same as the two beers I bought in Civic Sq the other day.
  On the other hand NZC doesn’t want to be associated with the kind of racial abuse Banks facilitated and partook in the other day. Spectators/players get hauled over the coals for that sort of shit.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:59am
  - Jack5
    
    Who is New Zealand Cricket to use financial muscle to dictate what a radio network can broadcast? Same goes for Spark (formerly Telecom), Vodafone NZ (owned by Infratil and a Singapore investment firm), and State-owned Kiwibank.
    
    We have a Broadcasting Standards Authority to handle complaints about radio.
    
    Without hearing the tone and context, it is hard to judge whether Banks and his caller were racist. However, it is fact, not racism, to state that Maori culture was in the (or a) Stone Age. Before contact with the modern world, Maori were using stone tools and had not developed metal tools or metal technology.
    
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    January 28, 2021 10:57am
    - MCos
      
      “Who is New Zealand Cricket to use financial muscle to dictate what a radio network can broadcast?”
      You have it round the wrong way.
      Magic can do what they like; it’s their radio station.
      However.
      If they’re going to broadcast blatantly racist tirades NZC don’t want to be associated with them.
      BTW
      Peter Williams is one of the cricket commentators. I wonder what he thinks about all this? I wonder what he thought about the BLM gestures during the Windies tour?
      
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      January 28, 2021 11:52am
      - Nickc2
        
        NZC F_n precious petals. If they want to dictate, join the Labour Party. Oh, shit, what’s that again? …………….you are the Labour Party?
        
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        January 28, 2021 12:13pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Absolutely true Jack5. They definitely were ‘stone age” that’s not to say they are now but it is a fact that they never developed a metal technology, that was another of the wonderful benefits they received when the Europeans arrived and boy did they take to it. It is absolutely ridiculous that facts are now deemed to be offensive. Fact: Maori were stone age people when Europeans arrived, end of. I feel very sorry for Banksie and am disgusted with cricket NZ, mind you those half wits took a knee for a murderous criminal in the states so what do you expect.
      
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      January 28, 2021 1:08pm
    - V
      
      “NZ cricket” and “financial muscle” in the same sentence. Good laugh.
      Muscle in the Steve Urkel sense of the work I take it.
      
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      January 29, 2021 3:23am
- kowtow
  
  NZC “took a knee” , your answer is right there.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:59am
- niggly
  
  Rusty, my impression is that John Banks did not “supposedly agree” with that caller, instead (as I explain elsewhere) he appeared to me to be somewhat distracted and didn’t “call out” the caller for his remarks. (Not until later anyway in the same show, which his critics ignore).
  
  But regardless (of whether that was the case or not) …. let’s think about this for a moment. According to some loud-mouths on the left (endorsed by the MSM), it is now a “crime”, punishable by losing one’s job (and income), for NOT CALLING OUT someone who is supposedly racist …
  
  This extreme ridiculousness needs to stop, if one wants a less-divided and somewhat harmonious society.
  
  So over to the (hard and centre) Left, to get it’s act together, otherwise we end up like say the USA is presently where there are massive divisions in society. Not good!
  
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  January 28, 2021 10:23am
  - Rusty
    
    niggly – I didn’t hear the radio conversation myself so I don’t know if Banks agreed with this caller or not or was slow to react to it. Agree with the rest of your comments.
    
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    January 28, 2021 11:25am
    - MCos
      
      Here you go
      https://twitter.com/te_taipo/status/1354197599138373633?s=21
      
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      January 28, 2021 12:26pm
      - niggly
        
        I note that was posted by a chap who hated “the system” so much he was caught up in the Te Urewera raids running around with a gun, according to this journo!
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/terror-raids-rangi-kemara-screaming-into-the-void/HM2R6QX2O2VOGJ3TBCRCGE7RCU/
        
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        January 28, 2021 3:46pm
      - niggly
        
        Anyway not a good look for sure, but interesting that for context only a portion of the callers conversation was recorded – prior I thought Banksie seemed to be somewhat sidetracked as the caller rambled on about things (and then seemed to “tune” back in towards the end). And of course they also didn’t post a recording where Banks later condemned the “stone-age” comments! Which are inappropriate especially in this day and age, as it is also incorrect.
        
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        January 28, 2021 3:59pm
Tony Stuart

One question that no one is asking; who, in either the PM’s office, Chris Hipkins’ office or at senior levels in the Ministry of Health is so pissed off by what is going on at the moment that they leaked patient Covid test details to Hone Harawira?

And another question; does Poto Williams’ silence on Harawira’s intention to prevent law-abiding Kiwis going about their lawful business in Northland constitiute a tacit endorsement of Harawira’s plans?
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January 28, 2021 8:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hmmmmm…
  
  seems someone also notified Journalists about MoH’s failure to identify 2 places that had been visited by the infected Northland woman.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300215413/covid19-govt-failed-to-release-names-of-two-businesses-linked-to-northland-case
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:55am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Hipkins was also poorly briefed this morning when he went on air with Hosking. He said that the people in question had stayed home from work, but there were some very odd hours at the BBQ King restaurant; 11am to 2.30pm and 5pm to 9pm on 17 January, and 12.30pm to 3pm and 5pm to 9pm on 18 January. Those sound oddly like work shifts to me…
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:16am
    - Frank the tank
      
      When this is all over Hosking should get a knighthood as being the only journalist that gives 2 fucks and openly asking pertinent questions. DDPA and Baz get a pass mark (just).
      
      The rest are either idiots, highly partisan, lazy or feckless.
      
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      January 28, 2021 9:41am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Might have a point Tony, but very short shifts. Suppose they might have “on call” fill in times.
      
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      January 28, 2021 9:45am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Have you never worked split shifts before Brian?
        
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        January 28, 2021 9:59am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        That’s Lunch service and Dinner service times.
        
        Standard Restaurant shifts for Front of House or Kitchen prep/ clean-up duties.
        
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        January 28, 2021 10:06am
- alex Masterley
  
  Those questions are very good Tony.
  Cactus Kate also makes the point by implcation that the media seem to have brushed aside Harawira’s scoop to ensure that the mass appeal of the Prime Minister.
  What ever is happening the Prime Minister and her minions are not walking back promises of vacination and travel bubbles. They are retreating faster than the Italians ever managed in WWII.
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:55am
burt

Anyone got any thoughts on why these two businesses were not named ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300215413/covid19-govt-failed-to-release-names-of-two-businesses-linked-to-northland-case
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January 28, 2021 8:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Labour Party members?
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:57am
  - burt
    
    If they were I doubt the media would be allowed to mention anything at all about this.
    
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    January 28, 2021 8:58am
- Surely Knott
  
  Love how the government changes the “science” to suit whichever cover up they are running.
  
  In your article above the DHB say the reason the hairdresser was not named, “was because the risk of surface transmission was assessed as “negligible”.”
  
  But in the last MIQ community outbreak in October,
  RNZ reported the MOH named the rubbish bin as the “probable source of a recent covid infection – a similar event to the case of a worker in Auckland who was infected by a lift button”.
  
  And then who could forget the famous frozen bag of peas with covid.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/427446/rubbish-bin-the-likely-source-of-covid-infection
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:16am
- DeepBlue
  
  The argument that the other customers (concurrent and soon afterwards) were not contacts is absolute rubbish and undermines all previous advice…. Unless it was an exclusive 1 on 1 salon.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:19am
- Frank the tank
  
  Who goes to Spain and Holland for a few months work? Government official/worker perhaps?
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:42am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    And then works split shifts in a restaurant? Very odd.
    
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    January 28, 2021 6:56pm
I remember when

KO’B: Bright Green Impossibilities.
Perhaps the most interesting response after the item was ‘What Green wants to live next to a wind farm or solar farm’ response.
In NZ windfarms have been beset by complaints about audible, inaudible, high pitched, we were here first, eyesore.
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January 28, 2021 8:58am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Wind farms are darn ugly too. Makara has been spoilt.
  Folly will eventually bite them on the backside.
  
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  January 28, 2021 10:25am
  - Nickc2
    
    They have a very short lifespan.
    
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    January 28, 2021 2:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I have a feeling that our Dear PM will not be hogging the Podium limelight very much this year.
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January 28, 2021 8:58am
- burt
  
  That will save us from needing a translador.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:00am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    True dat! With the flappy arms and facial expressions competing with the signing guy, it all became a bit much . . .
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:53am
- calendar girl
  
  That might be a sensible ploy on her part, Maggy, but I don’t expect her to demonstrate such wisdom. As PM, Ms Ardern revels in the public and media attention that her role attracts, and gives the impression that she welcomes having cameras trained on her every word or action.
  
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  January 28, 2021 3:18pm
Raphael

This is cool. Action Lab: Blackest Paint (Musou Black) + Brightest Paint (LIT) = The Blackest Light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDaROcyLkqg
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January 28, 2021 8:59am
Maggie Pie

Sooo going to miss Banksie 🙁

https://youtu.be/SruVR2fBQWE
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January 28, 2021 9:05am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’m going to miss Banksie like I’ll miss the shingles I’m currently suffering from when they resolve.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’d be into this wouldn’t you Tone? 😀
    
    “China uses Anal Swabs to test for Covid-19”
    
    https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1354518287829381124
    
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    January 28, 2021 9:25am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I’ve got shingles on my face Maggie, not piles around my a%$e 😀
      
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      January 28, 2021 10:02am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    @Tony Stuart
    Sorry to hear of your shingles. I make a safe herbal product that may be helpful. It works below the skin. Contact me at rubiton.co.nz for a free trial.
    
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    January 28, 2021 12:57pm
- bruceavon
  
  Not sure why he has to go unless he set it up. Sounded like a piss take to me. Full of cliches and like a talk back call from years ago. Also don’t understand why NZ cricket are upset. They sponsor a talkback show so you can’t always expect the views to reflect theirs. If people can’t ring up and say stuff not everyone likes talkback is over.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:33am
  - MCos
    
    You can’t understand why NZC are upset?
    Read some newspapers.
    Here’s a sample
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/cricket/school-cricket-match-abandoned-due-allegations-racial-homophobic-and-sexist-slurs
    
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    January 28, 2021 10:07am
    - bruceavon
      
      Totally different. Cricket are responsible for that game. But if they sponsor a radio station I can’t see how they can be responsible for the views of everyone who rings up.
      
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      January 28, 2021 10:20am
    - Frank the tank
      
      I played cricket for 20-odd years – some at a representative level. Comments like these were common place and most shrugged it off and had a laugh after the game. Indeed it was usually a sign you were winning.
      
      I’m not condoning the language used – but 11-13 year olds sheesh. We really are becoming a nation without a backbone or any mental resilience.
      
      As for NZC. They are just following all the other national sporting bodies in adopting woke as their official language and religion.
      
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      January 28, 2021 12:11pm
      - Yabster
        
        yep most of the woke twits will have never played a game of competitive cricket in their lives.
        
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        January 28, 2021 1:15pm
Nickc2

Worried about COVID-19?
Never fear, there is light at the end of the tunnel.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/the-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel?postId=601086be03c05c002dc07545
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January 28, 2021 9:09am
niggly

Ladies and Gentlemen, and the Woke Wankeratti,

When someone is unhappy about a radio (or tv) broadcast, there is actually a well established formal complaint process in place:

https://www.bsa.govt.nz/home/complaint-form/no-complaint-made/another-broadcasting-standard-or-something-else/

This is the formal process, developed over many years, and it allows for a person to make a complaint (at no cost at all to them), and just as importantly, it allows the broadcaster to have the right of reply (eg to defend themselves against the complaint).

Usually in a fair and democratic society, it has been accepted convention to hear “both sides of the story”, to ensure there has been fairness, balance and context, for both parties concerned.

To otherwise launch Twitter campaigns instead, demanding that advertisers pull funding from a broadcaster by shaming them (in order to remove for example a radio host and their livelihood) … is no better than the “witch-hunts” of old “by braying mobs”.

Sure a complainant may feel they are and will be vindicated because they know that they are on the side of righteousness (so “why bother” with a formal process, when trolling advertisers and companies on Twitter can be done from the comfort of one’s armchair and a latte?), but it is important to hear both side of the story. Otherwise what do we want as a society – mob rule? Anarchy? Bullying? All to get one’s way (so therefore it is “ok”)?

In the case of Banksie on Tuesday, I heard the talkback caller’s conversation, the caller was upset about some issues and (to my way of thinking) did appear to go over the top when expressing himself, but here’s the thing Banks rather than endorsing the comments appeared to be somewhat distracted (probably by what was coming up next or reading some info, as radio hosts do – I know from being there and doing that in a past life) and wasn’t therefore pushing back on the caller’s sentiments (and compounded by when the call was finishing Banksie wrapped it up by making a joke, unfortunately by using the same “negative” term as the caller used).

Later though, when Banksie was confronted by other callers angry at the exchange, he initially seemed somewhat confused (because as I suspect he wasn’t paying full attention to the problematic caller) but then I heard him condemn the “stone-age” phrases of the previous angry caller (once he clicked what the new callers were on about).

So why wasn’t this covered by the Dickhead of Dunedin, who was amongst the braying mob calling for advertiser boycotts on Twitter? Nor the other biggest dickhead to emerge since Jacindamania, which is the foolish and arrogant (and somewhat racist) Matthew Tukaki?

(And why do companies and advertisers listen to no-bodies – after all the overwhelming majority of Kiwi’s don’t live their lives on Twitter and would be totally unaware of calls for boycotts by yapping social justice poodles)?

I dispare when people aren’t given a right of reply, thanks to the mentality of these Twitter mobs, to hear someone defend themselves against (fair enough) accusations. Normally this is never tolerated by anyone, but it seems we now have exceptions, but the problem is, who’s exceptions are more right than someone else’s? If we look at history, this can be dangerous for society, so is this really the path we want to go down in which people convinced that they are correct can cancel others that they do not like?

If one thinks about it, it is somewhat Orwellian. What’s next by the braying Twitter mob – “two minutes of hate” sessions against people they ~~dislike/don’t agree with/should be silenced~~ Hate?
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January 28, 2021 9:09am
godruelf

So it seems it is unacceptable to refer to “The Chinese Flu” but all fine to refer to “The South African Strain” . How does that work?
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January 28, 2021 9:21am
- burt
  
  He “WHO” pays the piper calls the tune.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:59am
- Ruahine
  
  NZ has just signed a bright shiny new trade deal with our new new best friend China. MSM have their instructions about this.
  
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  January 28, 2021 11:51am
lazza

Hey “happychappy” Quote: you said:

“I would like to know with all this debt piling up and more billions being borrowed how it is going to be payed for or is or has Grant Robertson decided it will be written off”.

Debt does not just “go away”. Your “Written off” simply does not exist then OK?

Our government incurred debt will be repaid s sometime in the future ??? … end of story.
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January 28, 2021 9:24am
kevn

@Maggie… ‘Line up’ for 10 hours ?
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January 28, 2021 9:45am
I remember when

Article MW drew attention to about psychotheraphy company Spill draws attention to some points other than equal pay.
Firstly, it mentions a sales growth of 40% ‘We’ve seen an explosion in demand’ in the last year.
Does this give us a starting point for measuring the mental stress of lockdown.
Secondly, mention is made of potential problems experienced when working from home. One being that many cannot set their work aside at the end of the day. The other, that some struggle to get motivated to work when not in the office.
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January 28, 2021 9:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Having worked from home whilst bringing up #2 kiddiewinkle, I missed not having colleagues on hand to bounce ideas around with.
  
  It’s very easy to get into a rut/set pattern of work when you’re working on your own for too long.
  
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  January 28, 2021 10:16am
cha

The plods pulled their boy out early, too. So many questions…

Tarrio’s then lawyer Jeffrey Feiler said in court that his client had worked undercover in numerous investigations, one involving the sale of anabolic steroids, another regarding “wholesale prescription narcotics” and a third targeting human smuggling. He said Tarrio helped police uncover three marijuana grow houses, and was a “prolific” cooperator.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/27/proud-boys-leader-enrique-tarrio-fbi-informant
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January 28, 2021 10:05am
- Libertarians are right
  
  I wonder if the media will take responsibility when he’s murdered because they’ve outed him?
  
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  January 28, 2021 11:23am
  - Batman
    
    Isn’t his lawyer doing that?
    
    He’s a snitch, which I’m sure will go down well with the other anti-police proud boys.
    
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    January 28, 2021 11:46am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      That was his lawyer in a case 7 years ago. The files seem to have been “leaked” and the statement at the end of the article claims he’s a domestic terrorist which there is simply zero evidence of. He’s undoubtably a knob but that isn’t reason to try to get him killed. The articles I’ve read show that journalists are actively trying to egg other Proud Boys members into acting against him (by asking their opinions and implying that he was still “snitching” etc).
      
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      January 28, 2021 12:56pm
      - Batman
        
        They’re not trying to get him killed, that’s silly. Asking for other dumb thugs views is not different than asking politicians about something embarrassing a colleague has done.
        
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        January 28, 2021 1:29pm
Fletch

I’m not really sure what this Israeli study is supposed to be saying. The writer of the article thinks it is good.

Last week, Israel released preliminary data on the effects of vaccination for infection. Early indications suggest that after vaccination, as many as 70% of people can still be infected by SARS-CoV-2 after the initial dose of the Pfizer vaccine.

“The study showed that between the fifth day and the 12th day after receiving the first vaccine dose, there were no differences between the vaccinated group and the non-vaccinated group: the rate of positive tests for the SARS-CoV-2 in the two groups was similar. In other words: no difference in infection rates was observed between those who were vaccinated and those who were not vaccinated.”

The report continued “that 14 days after the injection of the first vaccine, there is a real decrease in the rate of infection in the SARS-CoV-2.” 17 days after the initial dose of the vaccine, between 60 and 80% of people can still be infected.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/01/27/israeli-study-shows-majority-of-those-vaccinated-can-be-infected-by-sars-cov-2/

I think the gist is that though you have been vaccinated you may not suffer effects, you could still get and pass on the virus
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January 28, 2021 10:06am
- fernglas
  
  It takes time for the antibodies to build up to a level that provides protection, at a guess
  
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  January 28, 2021 12:42pm
Bobba Fret

So if this South African strain of Covid is so highly contagious, why have no close contacts caught it?
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January 28, 2021 10:14am
- kowtow
  
  Yep , if the Wuflu is so deadly why aren’t all of the folk who were detected with it in MIQ pushing up the daisies ……..
  
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  January 28, 2021 10:27am
- Tall Man
  
  Well it’s really really bad … in the minds of the simple minded media.
  
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  January 28, 2021 10:27am
Fletch

Funny how Biden was saying only in October that passing things via executive order makes you a dictator….

“I have this strange notion, we are a democracy … if you can’t get the votes … you can’t [legislate] by executive order unless you’re a dictator. We’re a democracy. We need consensus.”

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1354035368211984390

And now he has passed how many executive orders? Thirty? The most of any president in the first week.
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January 28, 2021 10:48am
I remember when

HB Today: ‘Wairoa deserves better:’
Town ‘over it’ as police arm up after gang shootings.
Police area manager ‘it’s all about red and blue – sometime within a family and sometimes ‘intra’ gangs rather than between gangs.’
Wairoa mayor Craig Little said ‘It’s childish stuff when people think they can just go around firing guns in public places.’
Except it isn’t ‘childish and it is time it was recognised that gangs have the potential to become bigtime crime operations.
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January 28, 2021 10:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And gang shootings are spilling over into my neighbourhood.
  
  http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20210128/escalating-tension-2/
  
  Still, Judge Recordon has bailed all the ~~baddies~~ accused off to other parts of the motu.
  
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  January 28, 2021 12:21pm
Fletch

This govt seems to have a pattern as regarding the virus.

1. Be lax with the border and quarantine.
2 Fk up
3. Rush to “fix” the problem while we all lock down….
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January 28, 2021 10:56am
- burt
  
  You forgot 4.
  
  4. Rinse and repeat
  
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  January 28, 2021 11:26am
- redflagged
  
  30 seconds, spray and walk away.
  
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  January 28, 2021 5:14pm
Maggie Pie

Had to take Gladys to get her teeth cleaned yesterday….300 bucks!!
When I picked her up the Vet was telling me they’re now doing ‘Covid Testing’ on dogs.
I asked my partner if he thort we should book her in, but he reckoned it was just another scam dreamed up by the Veterinary Association to part fools from their money.
I’m going to check if its covered by our pet insurance.
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January 28, 2021 11:01am
- kowtow
  
  If she was a Flossie would she need her teeth cleaned ………
  
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  January 28, 2021 11:10am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Won’t be long before you will need to account for the GHG emissions caused by feeding useless cats and dogs.
  
  Put the small animal vets out of business: Save Our Environment!
  
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  January 28, 2021 11:24am
  - alloytoo
    
    Do wild animals not produce GHG?
    
    Save the environment let your animals go feral?
    
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    January 28, 2021 12:00pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      The concept of “energy balance” – that human activity has disrupted.
      
      Never mind, 99.9% publishing climate scientists understand it.
      
      World governments are following the science.
      
      Too bad for the cranks.
      
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      January 28, 2021 12:55pm
      - alloytoo
        
        So 99.9% of the publishing scientists must disagree with you then…..
        
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        January 28, 2021 2:51pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Put the Greens out of business and you would save plenty from their conference jet setting.
    
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    January 28, 2021 12:18pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Your dog will probably get the jab before you such is the management of the rollout in (little) Aotearoa
  
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  January 28, 2021 3:39pm
kowtow

Train and coal companies need to lawyer up and sue these loons for lose of revenue .

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/activists-lock-themselves-tracks-block-coal-train
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January 28, 2021 11:42am
- burt
  
  Did anyone tell them the chains they are using were made using coal?
  
  How about that deck chair – the steel would have been made using coal and the fabric is made using oil.
  
  How hard would it be for these people to practice what they preach rather than just be complete hypocrites ?
  
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  January 28, 2021 12:08pm
  - kowtow
    
    It would be nice if the Media pardy reported how these soap dodgers get to and from their criminal activities .
    
    Old smoke spewing ex camper van rentals powered by …….
    
    But getting the Media to hold lefties to account is too bigly an ask.
    
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    January 28, 2021 1:23pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  [Mod: labelling as terrorists seeking to overthrow democracy is not acceptable.]
  
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  January 28, 2021 12:57pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Terrorism is the use of violence to enforce one’s ideological beliefs on someone else.
    Denying people their property rights etc is violence.
    As for overthrowing democracy, when mobs like this can dictate the rules (which is their open goal), you don’t really have a democracy anymore.
    
    People do have a right to protest, but that does not give them the right to deny the rights of others. Their actions have forcibly taken the rights of other people in an attempt to further their ideological goals.
    
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    January 28, 2021 2:05pm
Maggie Pie

NZH reports…..’Hour-plus queues at Covid test sites around Auckland. Things are getting ugly’….

Hope youse all took my advice a couple of weeks back when I posted the trolley boy at NW telling me to stock up on toilet paper?

We’ve got tons stored in the basement from last year if any of the group need any.
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January 28, 2021 11:53am
- Frank the tank
  
  Nah just shit in the ocean – it goes there anyway.
  
  Plenty of food for the baby jellyfish
  
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  January 28, 2021 12:14pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Perhaps we could train the trolley stackers to talk to the punters about infection control and climate change.
  
  Bring the science down to a level they can understand.
  
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  January 28, 2021 1:07pm
artemisia

So the Maori Council’s Matthew Tutaki wants central government to levy short term rental providers like AirBnB . He omitted to mention that these enterprises are meeting a need due to motels being engaged for emergency housing. Oh, and also that one of the reasons for rental shortages and rent increases is government policies bordering on the ridiculous.

Maori are badly affected he says – ‘The housing crisis, including the tightening rental market, was particularly tough on Māori who have the highest rate of homelessness per head of population and one of the lowest rates of home ownership, he added.’

Some might wonder about the real reason for that.
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January 28, 2021 12:07pm
- burt
  
  Maybe they should have thought about that when they went to the pooling booth to vote for more policies that increase rental costs and child poverty.
  
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  January 28, 2021 12:13pm
- mandk
  
  ‘ … these enterprises are meeting a need due to motels being engaged for emergency housing.”
  
  Indeed. In many places, it’s difficult to find a motel that isn’t given over to emergency housing.
  
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  January 28, 2021 1:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

When is Jacinda Ardern’s Government going to deliver on its top priorities?

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/govt-fails-deliver-key-election-promise-time-despite-being-one-pm-s-top-priorities?auto=6226483574001
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January 28, 2021 12:51pm
- burt
  
  Karel Sroubek didn’t get deported. That was one high priority thing they managed to deliver on.
  
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  January 28, 2021 12:59pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I guess we can draw our own conclusions as to why that was?
    
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    January 28, 2021 1:03pm
    - burt
      
      I think the message was “read between the lines”.
      
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      January 28, 2021 2:31pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  You remind of my old mother, born 1912. When Bepe from BP was on TV discussing problems with the new lead-free petrol, she snapped, “Don’t you think we should have a man telling us what to do?”
  
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  January 28, 2021 1:02pm
I remember when

The Commander of the Washington,, D.C, National Guard said the Pentagon stripped him of emergency authority before the attack because of the outcry over the aggressive attack to civil rights protests last year.
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January 28, 2021 12:57pm
I remember when

Must pop out and buy a few low mileage ‘gas guzzlers’.
Predict they are likely to increase in price once the 2022 low emission used vehicle import restrictions are put in place.
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January 28, 2021 1:01pm
Maggie Pie

I was thinking about what we could do for our 10th anniversary together.

My partner suggested a slap up meal and room for the night at The Pullman.

😛 😛
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January 28, 2021 1:13pm
Nickc2

The Great Hoax – SPRUNG.

Biden’s climate change tzar (John Kerry) admits zero US emissions won’t change the world’s climate.

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/01/kerry-admits-zero-us-emissions-wont-make-difference-in-climate-change-still-going-ahead-with-2-trill.html
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January 28, 2021 1:13pm
- Batman
  
  What a dumb headline and reasoning.
  
  Just because one of the biggest countries can’t do it all alone, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t.
  
  Yet I recall you lot being against the Paris deal etc which rope in all the big emitters!
  
  Idiocy all round in that ‘story’
  
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  January 28, 2021 1:34pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Doesn’t the Paris Agreement effectively exempt China and India who are the biggest emitters?
    Doesn’t that actually make the Paris Agreement part of the problem?
    The Paris Agreement is about wealth redistribution, not helping the climate.
    
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    January 28, 2021 1:50pm
    - Batman
      
      No it doesn’t. That’s a meme used to denigrate it. Yes they do have a different schedule of obligations (which I expect will be eliminated in the next few years as pressure ramps up) but it does lock them into the agreement and some steep requirements whereas there was literally nothing in place before it.
      
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      January 28, 2021 2:02pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Yet with literally nothing in place the US surpassed what would have been it’s obligations.
        
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        January 28, 2021 2:56pm
- Surely Knott
  
  John Kerry, Biden’s appointed Climate Change Representative, who has his own private jet. ??? Yeah ok. This one is as funny as Prince Harry, Richard Branson, the Prince of Wales and Hollywood preaching to us about Climate while travelling in private jets.
  
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  January 28, 2021 3:47pm
Nickc2

Coming soon to lecture NZ about Covid-19. Joe Biden’s Health Secretary.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/01/joe-bidens-health-secretary.html
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January 28, 2021 1:21pm
- Batman
  
  I wonder if they will promote herd immunity via mass death, as the previous one did…
  
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  January 28, 2021 1:32pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    You know she was responsible for thousands of deaths after sending old people with Covid back to the rest homes (after removing her own mother from the rest home first obviously) right?
    A whole bunch of the deaths you blame Trump for are literally her fault.
    
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    January 28, 2021 1:53pm
    - Batman
      
      Having been to the link, what an absolute swamp that place is. A home for bigots and people who wouldn’t last a day on KB before DPF gave them the heave-ho.
      
      Back to the topic… Yeah that’s pretty poor if correct, though it is hardly the absolution you seem to want for Donald’s mass death-causing failures. And you seem to have pulled it directly from that craphole of a website so who knows if it’s even accurate.
      
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      January 28, 2021 2:00pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Not at all. The Pensylvanian response is well known (as were the New York and New Jersey issues).
        
        I believe Trump is responsible for some deaths (if you accept people not taking responsibilty for their actions), but I also blame the media and various state Governments etc who are also to blame. Simply blaming Trump is extremely dishonest.
        
        My main issue with Biden’s new assistant health secretary is actually that as the person in charge of Pensylvania’s Covid response it’s highly likely she was involved in the State Supreme Court’s potentially unconstitutional creation of election laws, bypassing the state legislature. The perception of someone (potentially) involved in something so divisive getting a massive promotion is not a good look.
        
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        January 28, 2021 2:20pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Had to uptick you on that one Batman.
    
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    January 28, 2021 2:15pm
- Fletch
  
  Oh good grief. That person obviously is not right in the mind, and he is supposed to be in charge of health for the whole country???
  
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  January 28, 2021 2:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Right!
Listen up!

All of you are to remain in your rooms after Day 12.
If one of you pokes your head out of a door or window you will ALL go back to Day 1.

Is that clear?
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January 28, 2021 1:26pm
Joely Doe

Finally someone has written what many have been thinking for some time. It is ‘flu and we will live with it. Even the govt says so.
How long before the cancel crowd come for them…

See The Light!
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January 28, 2021 1:41pm
rangitoto

Cindy says us poor Kiwis are buying cars that are too cheap. We have to buy expensive Tesla and Mercedes to save the planet. Let them eat cake.
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January 28, 2021 2:03pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone still tweeting Melania is about to announce she’s leaving The Donald and will be seeking a divorce?

Haters hate – Losers lose.

LOL!!
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January 28, 2021 2:08pm
- Biscuit
  
  Melania?
  The Donald?
  
  Yesterday’s people, Maggie, just move on…
  
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  January 28, 2021 3:16pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    MAGA2024 bikkie.
    Believe it!
    
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    January 28, 2021 5:32pm
    - Biscuit
      
      I reference a few betting sites, Maggie.
      
      My current fave one reckons the following re the 2024 race:
      
      Kamala Harris 5-to-1
      Mike Pence 8-to-1
      Nikki Haley 8-to-1
      Joe Biden 12-to-1 (but he’s said he’ll not seek a second term)
      Andrew Yang 14-to-1
      Pete Buttigieg 16-to-1
      Michelle Obama (who has never signaled an interest in running) 20-to-1
      Donald Trump 25-to-1
      Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 25-to-1
      Elizabeth Warren 25-to-1
      Donald Trump Jr. 40-to-1
      
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      January 28, 2021 5:53pm
      - Biscuit
        
        (Thanks, Mod, for tidying up my typo!)
        
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        January 28, 2021 6:09pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        It’s like my gran says Bikkie – “you’ll never win at the punt”.
        
        Although must say I’m a bit surprided not to see Ivanka on the list.
        
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        January 28, 2021 6:23pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Me too, Maggie, re Ivanka…
        
        I really do think, though, that Brand Trump is fatally tarnished.
        
        The Senate Republicans might not vote to convict him but I seriously doubt that too many will want to work with him ever again…
        
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        January 28, 2021 6:47pm
kglm

How will history judge the presidency of Donald Trump? As the worst President ever, as I have seen quoted? I think not. He will certainly be remembered as one of the most polarising and famous Presidents – the attacks of his enemies have ensured that. Trump can only be judged fairly when all the hysteria and personal feelings about his personality are history. He should be judged by what he actually did, rather than what contempories thought of his personality. That time will be decades into the future. Future generations that have no personal feelings about Trump will be able to look dispassionately at his polices and the outcomes of those policies and form a judgement. I think the main areas where judgement will be made are the areas of the domestic economy and international relations. In general, the US economy did well under Trump (excluding uncontrollable events, principally Covid). He was more of a peacemaker internationally, than a warmonger. Overall, I think, in the long term Trump’s achievements will be seen as being more positive then negative. When personal feelings are no longer part of the mix, I suggest that Trump will be judged as a competent, but not outstanding President, in terms of his domestic and international achievements. He will, however, always be one of the more famous Presidents, something that I don’t think Biden will ever be.
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January 28, 2021 2:09pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Trumps only real positive is that he pushed back against woke agendas and focused on improving lives of blue collar USA – long since ignored by coastal elites getting rich off outsourcing everything to 3rd world and screwing population to enrich a wealthy elite BUT that is worth a lot in my books. Almost nothing about him as a person is worthy.
  
  Biden will be famous for being first president to be removed due to mental infirmness, or possibly impeachment for financial corruption if GOP wins midterms.
  
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  January 28, 2021 5:22pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  One common element of many politicians is that they lie or obfuscate a lot. Trump was well known for outright lying. A trait he was exceptionally and provably good at.
  
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  January 29, 2021 7:49am
voltaire

Quote from the Herald just now “Cleaning confusion
Asked what happened during a deep clean, neither Hipkins nor Bloomfield knew exactly what was involved.”
Seriously?? You can’t make this stuff up!!!
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January 28, 2021 2:18pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Why would they?
  
  If Hipkins was given a detailed description of the process, would he have a deep understanding of it? Should he? Does the Minister of Health need to know how to disinfect a hospital ward?
  
  There are people who work for them with appropriate skills to define this task. After all, do you know how to fix your car or microwave or TV etc …. ?
  
  If you want to google “deep clean covid workplace” there is all sorts of stuff ….
  
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  December 28, 2019 5:54pm
  - Tall Man
    
    So who sets the parameters, the hotel or the MoH.
    
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    January 28, 2021 6:55pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      A reasonable question. I don’t have a clue. Maybe you do ..
      
      It would seem likely that MoH is involved. If you follow the google I mentioned, there is something from MoH about how it should be done. I haven’t read it because the detail is basically is (a) probably boring and (b) above my pay grade.
      
      I suspect that neither you nor I have enough detailed knowledge of how this “should” be done anyway ….
      
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      December 28, 2020 7:05pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Actually, probably not much different than a “P” clean and that is well documented.
        
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        January 28, 2021 8:47pm
- lifesgood
  
  It’s a load of crap. Using the word “deep” just makes it sound impressive. Thorough is the more appropriate word, that’s if that’s what they are doing. I have my doubts. They robably just get staff to walk around with a few containers of spray and wipe.
  
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  January 28, 2021 5:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think they just need to open some doors and windows and clear the air in the damn place.
  
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  January 28, 2021 5:50pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    And wait a few days for the virus to die naturally.
    
    Ultraviolet light is supposed to do a good job. Blast common areas like elevators.
    
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    January 29, 2021 7:45am
Odakyu-sen

One indictor of a living language is that amongst its pool of native speakers, the seniors complain that “the youngsters don’t speak the language properly, and I can’t understand the slang they are using these days!”

Question: Have you EVER heard any native speaker of Te Reo make such a comment?

If not, then maybe Te Reo is a dead language.
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January 28, 2021 2:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No…but I’ve met a few Maori speakers who can tell within a few phrases whether a speaker has grown-up in a Maori-speaking community or not.
  
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  January 28, 2021 5:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Maori Party will not be going to Waitangi.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2101/S00088/te-pati-maori-will-not-be-attending-waitangi-on-iwi-advice.htm

That leaves a clear path for Labour….

but I’m still thinking Waitangi is going to be a non-starter this year.
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January 28, 2021 3:15pm
- greybeard
  
  Waitangi ?
  Why bother ?
  
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  January 28, 2021 7:00pm
JerJer

Illegal Northland check points shut down by Police.

All seems a bit stone-aged to me.
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January 28, 2021 3:49pm
Surely Knott

The Australian’s latest article. “Oz should show China respect.”
The New Zealand Trade Minister has called on Australia to show ‘a little more diplomacy’ towards China to improve economic relations.
Far out NZ.
The facebook comments are priceless.
Including:
“Thanks for that NZ. Is everyone on welfare over there yet?”
“I reckon we take NZ. Then when they show US some respect we can talk about independence. Wouldn’t be hard, could probably take it with minimum to no casualties over the weekend. ”
“time to make NZ a state”
“Stay in your Lane Jacinda”
“Oh look, a photo of two commies shaking hands.”
“The New Zealand Trade minister should show a little diplomacy, and not tell another country what to do”
“Communist Warlord, meet Socialist Lapdog.”
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January 28, 2021 4:14pm
Maggie Pie

SKY reporting NZ Trade Minister Damien O’Connor has suggested Austrayya has mishandled it’s relationship with Chynaa and says it should follow Aotearoa’s example in speaking “…..with a little more diplomacy”

Members of the Oz government struck back saying…. their trans-Tasman neighbor has relied on Australia to do the heavy lifting in standing up to Beijing’s bullying.

They also report last month Nania Mahuta offered to “….broker a truce” between Oz and the CCP.

What could go wrong?
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January 28, 2021 4:20pm
cmm

You really don’t want to read that with dyslexia.
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January 28, 2021 4:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like Australia doesn’t think Jacinda Ardern has got matters under control

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300215941/live-australia-extends-oneway-travel-bubble-ban-on-new-zealanders-for-three-more-days
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January 28, 2021 4:41pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Couple of days ago I replied to one of your comments concerning Australia’s knowledge by saying “Nothing” – being in Northland I now believe otherwise.
  
  Earlier today : “That leaves a clear path for Labour….” – spot on.
  
  “but I’m still thinking Waitangi is going to be a non-starter this year.” – it IS going happen because of the above.
  
  Now I’m not a conspiracy theorist but too many aspects of the Northland case over time are now not adding up from a logically analysis viewpoint.
  Where there should be “1’s” there are “0’s” and vice versa which includes Minister H & DGOH B responses to media questions, simply facts like the Northland case not being transferred to Jet Park Q, yet the Auckland pair transferred immediately. The list of logical discrepancies goes on an on ……. And there is motive. They have been banging on for around 2 month’s now about not using the tracer app which NZ’s have totally ignored. So there has been a reaction.
  
  Put simply, the sum of the parts does not add up to the sum of the whole.
  
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  January 28, 2021 5:29pm
burt

The site for the next rainbow crossing has been found!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300216758/pipe-bursts-in-aro-valley-sending-fountain-of-drinking-water-into-the-air
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January 28, 2021 4:43pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What on earth will happen when a water pipe and a nearby sewer pipe burst together?
  
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  January 28, 2021 4:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Diluted or flavoured, take your pick.
    
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    January 28, 2021 6:45pm
- 3-coil
  
  very droll burt.
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:01am
Maggie Pie

Just been preparing dinner (thai duck breasts, broccolini & duck-fat fries).
Watching FOX’s fab Laura Ingraham on the kitchen telly……”Biden using Corona Virus to control Americans”

Would Joe really be that bright?

Just saying.
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January 28, 2021 5:05pm
- Batman
  
  Ahh so Frau Ingraham has made the quick switch to the pandemic now being the sole responsibility of the President?
  
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  January 28, 2021 5:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    There’s no denying the facts Batz.
    According to the CDC, since Sleepy became president, he’s murdered 3692 people.
    
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    January 28, 2021 5:30pm
- Fletch
  
  Watch the video where Joe signs an executive order, tries to put the pen in his suit pocket, finds it is sewn up, puts the pen in his pants pocket, then takes another pen from those in the table. It’s like watching an infant. He’s not all there.
  
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  January 28, 2021 6:59pm
Batman

I have great news for some here! They’ve finally arrested someone for that voter fraud!

It’s all happening… Step up Mr Trump for your second term…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300216545/protrump-social-media-influencer-charged-in-2016-twitter-scheme-to-undermine-hillary-clinton

Oh wait, it’s actually a shady Trump supporter commiting crimes in order to help Trump win. With about 5000 votes wasted in an election where the margin was only 70k.
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January 28, 2021 5:13pm
- Tall Man
  
  Grow up man. Trump is yesterday’s man so I think it’s time to let it go.
  
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  January 28, 2021 6:43pm
- doublehappy
  
  Do you mean the Hillary that paid for the information of Russia’s influence in the same election? The information proved to be a total vengeful hoax, after 3 years of investigation? Nothing said could be worse than she actually is!
  
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  January 29, 2021 12:03am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

‘Circle back’ New shit, wait until Jaspinda hears this term. Oh wait, she has? First response in Feb?
Anew weapon for the scardy one that that lives in NZ or her Dad’s place.
Whenuapai is busy today, and all last night. So, food going out to the NZ ships on the way to Samoa, from a picked up a 757 flight
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January 28, 2021 5:34pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Are you in you spa pool Steve?
  
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  January 28, 2021 5:43pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  I just read what you said. Didn’t understand it.
  Read it again and still didn’t have clue what you were trying to say. Steve, I agree with some of your posts but have a real hard time trying to figure this one out.
  
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  January 28, 2021 8:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

uh oh… Aussie has just found out that 12 folks who were at the Pullman when the Virus was on the loose flew into Sydney.
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January 28, 2021 6:07pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Oh dear guess Oz hol’s off agenda for real long time
  
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  January 28, 2021 6:30pm
- sooty
  
  Why are we letting these people in the country?
  Are they paying for their quarantine?
  Don’t let them in before they pay for this one and advance pay for the next one!
  Why would you quarantine just to go overseas to do it again?
  Did they just do a drug run?
  
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  January 28, 2021 7:50pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  So the taxpayers paid big time for their quarantine for them to bug off to Aussie right after getting out?
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:20pm
Maggie Pie

My partners just walked in. Said he’d been listening to ‘bunman’ on Magic Drive absolutely bagging Banksie over what was said on his show.

He reckons that Bridge is nothing but a shit stirrer anyway.
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January 28, 2021 6:10pm
greybeard

John Banks apparently cannot have an opinion but lots of maori can say what they like about european immigration and culture.
Did John Banks simply say out loud what a large number of New Zealanders think ?
Do all of those companies who said they would withdraw their advertising from MagicTalk actually advertise on MagicTalk ? Or are some of them just cashing-in on the situation ?
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January 28, 2021 7:17pm
Monique Watson

Excuse my ignorance but didn’t John Banks just land right square in the Ball Park? Stone Age, waddeva. There wasn’t a shit ton of technology around and everyone knows it but the snowflakes are afraid someone’s feelings might get hurty so he’s shitcanned.
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January 28, 2021 7:27pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Disgusting!
  
  Talk back hosts not allowed to have opinions?
  
  Boycott the companies threatening to withdraw if Banksy doesn’t get fired.
  
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  January 28, 2021 9:17pm
Wired-one

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/01/joe-biden-s-new-sign-language-interpreter-runs-a-pro-trump-facebook-page.html

If she does her job well, who the bloody hell cares. The tolerant left eh…
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January 28, 2021 8:31pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtUcc-idJEs
Trump’s Not Going Anywhere | The Future of the Republican Party.

Donald Trump left his mark on the Republican Party, possibly changing it forever. Even though the Trump impeachment trial is going through the Senate, accusing Trump of allegedly pushing for insurrection of the US Capitol, Trump isn’t fading out of politics. And though it seems like he isn’t creating a new Patriot Party, Trump leaving the White House and his farewell speech mean anything but the disappearance of Trump and Trumpism. [A bit of epic Trolling from President Trump.]
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January 29, 2021 12:39pm
curry4me

https://rumble.com/vdczh3-populist-stock-market-revolt-wipes-out-12b-from-globalist-elites-as-nations.html
Populists v Big Tech.

Populist Stock Market Revolt WIPES OUT $12 BILLION From Globalist Elites as Nations Rebel Against Big Tech! Wow! In this video, we’re going to take a look at what many are calling the GameStop Uprising that effectively pushed back against predatory billionaires, how nationalist-populist governments around the world are actively pushing back against Big Tech oligarchs.
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January 29, 2021 12:40pm
curry4me

https://rumble.com/vdbskn-huge-win-court-blocks-migrant-deportation-moratorium-as-biden-supporters-tu.html
Migrant Deportation Moratorium Blocked.

A Federal Court BLOCKS the hundred-day Migrant Deportation Moratorium all as Biden Supporters are Starting to Turn on Him! In this video, we’re going to look at the first of what promises to be many of Sleepy Joe’s defeats with the courts, how sanctuary states are successfully building administrative and legal walls to keep their citizens safe from Biden’s incompetence, and how more and more of Biden’s supporters are suffering from buyers’ remorse and starting to turn on him big time.
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