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Benedict Yu

I have been watching the videos by Dr John Campbell. I rarely recommend news sources but I recommend him.

https://youtube.com/c/Campbellteaching

He is a UK medical and nursing educator and a great communicator. He has been posting videos on the pandemic almost daily since day 1. He is apolitical and focuses on the science and the data.
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January 24, 2021 8:11am
fernglas

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govts-unhealthy-refusal-to-hear-diverse-voices-on-covid-19
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300212184/timely-test-fears-a-sluggish-response-will-lead-to-another-covid19-outbreak

Peter Dunne and Des Gorman (in Stuff today} have the courage to question whether the Government’s Covid response is as good as it could be and whether its inadequacies are being ignored by a supine media.
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January 24, 2021 8:19am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Professor Des Gorman has been questioning the Government since Day One. Because of that, trolls have been deployed to dispute his message and make him out to be a fruitcake conspiracy theorist instead of the highly qualified and credentialed medical doctor he is.
  
  His bio makes for interesting reading, and those who seek to diminish his opinions are doing so merely for political damage control:
  
  https://www.monash.edu/healthed-institute/shpc/2018-keynote-speakers/des-gorman#:~:text=Biography,at%20the%20University%20of%20Auckland.&text=He%20has%20a%20BSc%2C%20MBChB,from%20the%20University%20of%20Sydney.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:37am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    What’s happened Tony? Government employed trolls now?
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:34am
  - redflagged
    
    “There’s no real need to defend. Because the public have confidence in what has been achieved and what the Govt is doing. Instead, we can dismiss.”
    
    Rob Carr | Senior Ministerial Advisor, Office of the Prime Minister
    
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    January 24, 2021 11:07am
- GazzaW
  
  Ignorance by a supine media has also been raised by Heather DPA in today’s NZH.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:43am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Wait until one or more of the new strains get into the community and we are at Level 4 long term because the existing vaccines prove ineffective and the new strains kill more and younger people in good health.
    
    Its only been good luck so far not good management by these Bozos cardboard cutouts.
    
    Time to close the borders until Covid is eliminated or at least under control overseas. Time to protect the citizens. Thats the first duty of a good Government.
    
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    January 24, 2021 9:59am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘Time to close the borders until Covid is eliminated or at least under control overseas.’
      
      Hope is not a plan.
      
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      January 24, 2021 10:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Time to protect the citizens. Thats the first duty of a good Government.”
      
      You mean those too dumb to protect themselves?
      
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      January 24, 2021 10:57am
      - IC5000
        
        > You mean those too dumb to protect themselves?
        
        Maybe National should adopt a variation of this as an election slogan. I’m sure it will be a roaring success
        
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        January 24, 2021 12:57pm
      - lastmanstanding
        
        Its called the Social Contract smart arse. Just like we we have the Police instead of each individual protecting themselves and their families what ever way they want. You may want to play Russian Roulette with yourself and your family but I dont. I expect the Government to ensure I and my family do not get Wuhan Flu.
        
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        January 24, 2021 1:30pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Well I guess you’re staying home in case a big bad car car runs you over.
        
        According to the latest figures I saw from the USA covid is responsible for less than 10% of the total deaths and here it never reached 1% so there are a lot more dangers out there. Nice to know you expect nanny state to look after you.
        
        Currently you have all the tools you need to protect yourself from covid and if you are that worried jump on a plane and head to Singapore or somewhere else that has a vaccination process already in place.
        
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        January 24, 2021 5:33pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      Too late. The Rona is out in Northland. No wonder we saw a media blitz on covid this morning.
      
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      January 24, 2021 1:25pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Maybe reading this will ease your anxiety…
      
      https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/covid-19-rt-pcr-test-how-mislead-all-humanity-accepting-societal-lock-downs
      
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      January 24, 2021 5:52pm
- theoldbloke
  
  Why oh why is the NZ response to be inward looking?
  Many, may I repeat, many countries have got better control of the spread of the virus than the usual bogey men of UK & USA.
  
  On a recent trip back to NZ for the summer, I was appalled at the paranoia. There is still so much misinformation floating around.
  
  Best summarised by the ïf you get Covid 19 you will die” myth. Then there is the protect grandma story!!!!
  
  I was in Cambodia during the March to October period. A 3rd world country, with limited medical resources. A team of 16 million.
  Their government took a pragmatic approach and flooded the place with wash your hands etc etc messages. No massive lockdowns. Just common sense stuff (eg close bars, karaokes, sports stadiums, museums, schools). It should be noted that they NEVER closed restaurants or markets.
  
  Unlike our go hard go fast BS. They implemented border controls in February, tightening up later.
  
  To this day non citizens with Visas (Not tourists) can enter the country-Pre boarding tests, tests on arrival and day 13, 14 day mandatory quarantine.
  Today some 456 cases in total, zero fatalities.
  A similar story in Laos and Vietnam.(low infection/fatality rates)
  
  So why is NZ so special that they can not look at experiences from successful countries instead of continuing to beat the fear drum of UK, USA et al
  
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  January 24, 2021 2:52pm
  - tf78
    
    theoldbloke – just like all the sports stars who have tested ‘positive’ no one appears to have even become ill, let alone die.
    
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    January 24, 2021 5:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

When Labour took its focus away from the class struggle into identity politics, it created the largest wealth gap NZ society has ever seen.

almost complete is a fundamental shift away from a society where social mobility is possible (however imperfectly) through education and work, towards one where property and even the trappings of a middle class life are kept exclusively within one band of society. Haves and have-nots; the landed gentry and serfs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300210938/governments-housing-reset-announcement-is-too-little-too-late
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January 24, 2021 8:22am
- Ruahine
  
  I see it is all the fault of John Key. I say it is really the fault of Clark/Cullen who set up the ideological mindset that we can live on someone elses money.
  
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  January 24, 2021 8:33am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  I disagree. When you consider the logical conclusions of the Leftist ideology, they have been outstandingly successful. To believe they have failed is to falsely believe their aim is actual equality in any real sense of the word. That is the rhetoric, not the reality. They employ antagonism between groups to subvert the existing paradigm and attain the top spot.
  
  History is a constant struggle between those of a “higher” class using the “lower” class to destroy the middle. The particular members of these sets change over time of course, but the basic dynamic is invariable. Only with power concentrated in the upper political regions (which necessitates a weak/non-existent middle class, and a weak, desperate and therefore subservient bottom) is the kind of domination the Left crave even possible. Why would they want a middle class attenuating their exercise of power?
  
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  January 24, 2021 8:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Divide and conquer”.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:58am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    They would burn it down, to be King of the ashes.
    
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    January 24, 2021 11:27am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Just thought, that didn’t go to well for the people of Cambodia….remember Poll Pot?
      
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      January 24, 2021 11:35am
- Albert_Ross
  
  The linked article does indeed show that the present Government’s policies are culpably exacerbating the wealth gap (as did their actions when in opposition).
  
  But it says absolutely nothing about identity politics. If you want to make the point that it’s because of identity politics that the wealth gap is increasing, you will need a different article.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:02am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t need a different article Albert Ross.
    
    I know the Socialist canon… I know the history of the NZ Labour Party. I know loads of folks who are associated with NZ Labour.
    
    I know today’s NZ Labour Party is a different beast than it was in the 1970s and even 1980s.
    
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    January 24, 2021 9:51am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      I agree that the Left these days has an unhealthy and almost entirely counterproductive obsession with identity politics, to the detriment of things that really matter to real people.
      
      I also agree that this particular Government’s (in)action on house prices, along with their failure to help the National Government to reform the planning regime, is exacerbating and entrenching the wealth gap.
      
      I believe further that the case can be made that the two are linked.
      
      But the article you shared does not make that case. The case it makes is a good one, well argued and clearly set out. But it is not the case that you stated in your post.
      
      Aren’t we on the Right supposed to pride ourselves on our analytical rigour, rationality, logical argumentation and reliance on cold hard fact as opposed to the Left’s mindless, unthinking reliance on ideology and feelz, plus the occasional personal anecdote?
      
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      January 24, 2021 10:13am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh, go and look at the history of the NZ Labour movement then.
        
        here’s a quick overview up to 2010
        https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1312/S00183/wealth-for-worlds-workers-history-of-nzs-labour-movement.htm
        
        1960-70s – The 1970s are often remembered for the rise of new social movements and identity politics.
        
        I don’t see that I have to supply every bit of background detail… This is a NZ political blog site… I assume folks who are interested have some prior knowledge.
        
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        January 24, 2021 11:02am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Maggie
        The 70’s was the first time I heard the expression (out loud)
        “Perception is reality”
        A translation of Lenins
        “A lie told often enough, becomes the truth”
        Which appears to be a simpler version of:
        “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
        Joseph Goebells
        
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        January 24, 2021 11:32am
    - jonno69
      
      yes it used to support the working class. Now it only supports the beneficiaries
      
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      January 24, 2021 10:15am
      - Ruahine
        
        And Criminals.
        
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        January 24, 2021 11:42am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Yet they secured an MMP outright majority, go figure
        
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        January 24, 2021 12:07pm
  - Mike
    
    Alberto, I think her idea is that the labour party moved away from the core aims of the labour movement – economic and social equality – and instead has become fixated on issues of gender and race.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:22am
    - chukar
      
      Reality.
      The new elite are those paid by government.
      The government ( including local) dictates where resources go.
      The colour of the sitting Government makes little difference.
      Exporters ,farmers manufacturers and others who actually produce the country’s wealth have been royally screwed and result is now almost the worst productivity in the OECD.
      On the other hand we have out of control government, again including local, regulating every activity they can to grow their share of the national cake.
      They are growing their wealth influence and size.
      Some of these illgotten gains end up back with their voters , WFF, benefits and targeted grants.
      There are very few in NZ who have not received grant or benefit of some kind.
      Again .now .NZ has almost the worst productivity in the OECD
      We are socialists
      
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      January 24, 2021 12:10pm
      - artemisia
        
        Yes chukar, we are socialists. Because that is what we have been voting for for years.
        
        Ms Ardern stated her government is planning policies that stick. New Zealand has had some of those in the past, they are all based on free money someone else will pay for. Usually the taxpayer.
        
        Fortunately Minister Faafoi’s wide ranging rental reforms are also sticky, but this time paid for by the tenants. Quite right too.
        
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        January 24, 2021 12:58pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Txs, Mike.
      
      I couldn’t have said it any better.
      
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      January 24, 2021 12:26pm
    - tf78
      
      Mike, did you ever read Ian Wishart’s “Eve’s Bite”, Socialism in New Zealand really got off the ground thanks to Helen Clark, Margaret Wilson and one other who’s name I can’t remember were at University. They’ve been working to make their dreams come true ever since and unfortunately they are succeeding at this point.
      
      It’s over to us now to take OUR COUNTRY back.
      
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      January 24, 2021 5:45pm
Happychappy

We haven’t heard or seen Winston Peters for a while now and with the case against his Party and the two unnamed members due back in court in a few day 26th of January unless it has been changed there could be interesting facts to come out. It is unusual to not hear anything from Winston Peters especially the length of time since being humiliated by the defeat of NZ First at the last Election or are we about to see more litigation from him against more MP’s for his inability to sway the voter, you have to remember it’s always someone elses fault for Winston’s demise never his own.
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January 24, 2021 8:24am
- fernglas
  
  Winston was in front of the Court of Appeal recently, arguing that the respondents to his appeal re the Super disclosure shouldn’t be able to call evidence that he has said that he knows the identity of the leaker but won’t reveal it. This is in response to his assertion on appeal that he should be able to be successful despite claiming at the trial that he couldn’t say who the individual leaker was.
  He’s effectively saying that even though he knows who it is, he should nevertheless be able to say that he doesn’t know who it is but it must have been somebody within the MSD.
  All very odd.
  http://www.nzlii.org/nz/cases/NZCA/2020/649.html
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:19am
- Biscuit
  
  Indeed, Happychappy…
  
  Winston’s usual snarling ‘Listen, Sunshine, you don’t know all the facts. The reality is…’ ‘defence’ – ‘its all sub jood-is-eh’ – to questioning has disappeared even faster than his party’s political credibility.
  
  You’d ALMOST think, wouldn’t you?, that the facts are about to be revealed by the Serious Fraud Office and that all the huffing and puffing he can wheeze up AIN’T ever gonna rebuild his Humpty Dumpty persona…
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:21am
- kowtow
  
  2021 could be the year of the political trials .
  
  I expect the Zhang ,Zheng ,Zheng one to be very interesting. But we’ll have to wait till Sept.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:38am
- KiwiSapper
  
  I have already received a begging letter from the Party ( not a single mention of Winnie in it ) beseeching me to donate money for their party’s future activities..
  
  I was inclined to respond by pointing out that they had better enroll for unemployment benefit as that is their future
  
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  January 24, 2021 10:38am
Maggie Pie

We’ve subscribed to ‘serpentza’s’ YT channel for quite a while now and find it very informative. He lived and worked in China for some years and is married to a Chinese doctor. They both now reside in Australia, having become somewhat fearful of the Communist Regime.

His latest offering raises a very interesting question….”Do the CCP place what they call ‘useful idiots’ in positions of power and influence within Western countries, even though these same people are unable to understand or speak fluent Chinese?” Now my partner thought he could name two or three, but there could be a lot more of course. Watch……

https://youtu.be/TAhTeH5Xjpc

[Brilliant – a perfect example of how to present a YouTube referral. Thank you. Mod.]
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January 24, 2021 8:27am
- cmm
  
  Why would they not?
  It is the oldest trick in the book.
  
  We saw that in many places in Africa as white rule handed over to black rule.
  
  We saw that when the Russians set up the Cuba, Mozambique, East Germany.
  
  We saw that in CIA dabblings in Africa, South America,…
  
  So why be surprised if China use this tactic too?
  
  The only difference is that now it’s a bit more blatant. There aren’t any videos of a methed-up Jonas Savimbi banging CIA hookers.
  
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  January 24, 2021 8:44am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Never ceased to amaze me. You could always find a Chinese restaurant in Africa, And more so in Muslim Africa.
    Yes CIA in Angola as well . CIA sponsered Savimbi and 25 yr civil war supported between Russia and America. And the Diamond faction. Then Kabilla came into power up in the North.
    Regardless it was always welcome to go to a Chinese restaurant in the More Muslim parts of Africa as always sold Beer.
    Uhuru.
    
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    January 24, 2021 12:30pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Long video but eye-opening. Well worth viewing.
  
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  January 24, 2021 8:49am
- Interested Party
  
  Yes I watch this interesting channel. I think he and his mates families now live in California though, and have never lived in Australia – unless they have moved very recently
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:00am
- Nickc2
  
  Agree totally Maggie. We have one as our PM. There are also others in her cabinet (idiots useful to the Chinese that is).
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:17am
  - kowtow
    
    Oh dear , not confined to this mob alone .
    
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    January 24, 2021 9:46am
- Biscuit
  
  Well, well, who’d ever have thunk that MAGGIE would be the teacher’s pet!
  
  :: Dodges the incoming flak ::
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:26am
- redflagged
  
  Whoops. I thought serpentza was a new play on Jacinda’s name.
  
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  January 24, 2021 11:25am
- towaka
  
  Serpentza is a SAFFA who lived in China for years working as an English teacher (I guess better off financially and safer than his own country) and he use to put out balanced videos about life in China.
  
  But when he turned video making into a business he sooned realised there was a much bigger audience for videos bagging China than giving a balanced view.
  
  Also he is a blowbag.. claiming to have “trained doctors” in China when in reality he only taught them English!
  
  So in summing up, here is a guy who went to China for a better life, lived there for years, the same country also gave him a beautiful and educated wife but he is happy to bag China for profit… nothing but a whore.
  
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  January 24, 2021 12:32pm
  - NoFax
    
    I don’t think the CCP could have phrased it any better. I have watch him for years and he doesn’t “bag” China. He is critical of the CCP and the direction it has taken under Xi – which the vast majority of informed China watches would agree with. Winston clearly loves China and the Chinese people but like a lot of foreigners there now it is hard to live and it is getting worse.
    
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    January 24, 2021 1:02pm
  - cmm
    
    I would not really think he went there with the idea of settling there, but rather as a stepping stone from South Africa to somewhere else.
    
    For many South Africans in his position, going to China for a year or two to teach English is a good deal.
    
    It’s damn hard to find employment in South Africa it you’re of the wrong colour and many people want to leave for economic reasons as well as the crime etc.
    
    Going to teach in China is a well paid OE that allows South Africans a chance to build up a nice little Forex nest egg and open up some options for them.
    
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    January 24, 2021 4:09pm
- cmm
  
  I watched his video on Huawei and I must call bullshit on some of it.
  
  1) I’m a supplier to Huawei. They’ve paid something around $200k for licensing fees to use our software that can be downloaded free for evaluation and licensing is all on the basis of people being honest. They could have used the software without paying for it and nobody would have been the wiser. Still, they chose to pay this license fee. They’ve done so for multiple products so it was not a once off.
  
  In the dealings I’ve had with them, I’ll say their engineers are as good as any I’ve encountered in other engineers worldwide.
  
  2) He says they were stealing IP by photographing circuit boards. Bollocks for 2 reasons:
  a) Except for the most trivial designs, you can’t steal a design by looking at photos of the board. The boards have many layers (16 or so for a complex board) and a photo doesn’t show the connections. Small surface mount components are unlabeled and you can only tell what they are by measuring them. Nor does it show the connections underneath BGA packages etc. You can’t use the info to copy a design. You can, however, use it to get a general idea of what they are doing and product shortcomings (eg. maybe it has fat heatsinks which mean it might have overheating issues).
  b) Big wowee 2 – everyone does competitive analysis of what their competition is doing. When a new product comes out, the competition will buy devices, void the guarantee and get their engineers to have a nosey over it. That won’t just be photos.
  c) Once a product is released you can download board photos from regulatory websites. eg,
  https://fccid.io/R9C-A51F/Internal-Photos/Internal-Photos-2669418
  
  Then he says Huawei copied the iphone – ok, maybe copied some of the look of the unit but that’s about all. The real guts of it – the electronics are different, the software is different. It’s really a completely different thing.
  
  Anyone who thinks the Chinese can’t invent stuff and can only copy stuff are fools. There are some areas of electronics where Chinese companies are really taking over and in the last two years they’ve gone from followers to leaders.
  
  Funnily I was just reading a book about Pearl Harbour. The Yanks were caught napping due to their racial prejudices and Jap stereotypes (Buck teeth, thick glasses and they can’t fly planes because the mothers carry babies on their backs so their balance is screwed for life).
  
  In electronics the West has got fat and lazy. We take far too long to develop electronic products and bring them to market. Maybe that’s because most of us are getting older. When I got into the electronics game in my 20s, the average engineer was in their early 30s. Now they’re in their late 40s/early 50s and the young ‘uns are not coming in to fill the gap.
  
  The West is no longer where electronics innovation is going to continue happening and it’s going to crash in 10 years as a lot of the skillbase retires/pushes up daisies.
  
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  January 24, 2021 4:00pm
  - towaka
    
    Thanks CMM for confirming that the guy is a BS artist in your field of expertise.
    
    I can do the it the same way as someone who lives in China.. all of his videos about being it getting more difficult for foreigners here are BS. I know many ex-pats and the only hassles they get into with the authorities are self inflicted…overstaying visas etc.
    
    Also Winston was not some short-term guy on an OE.. he had been in China for years. I know expats who have been here for 20 plus years.
    
    The other point is correct too.. people are ignorant of Chinese history and how inventive they were in the past.. in your field the center of innovation in the world is just down the road from me in Shenzhen.
    
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    January 24, 2021 6:47pm
    - cmm
      
      Don’t get me wrong, I think there are some very legitimate concerns about China especially around their human rights abuses and their international policies) and about Huawei (because they could only get that big with the support of the CCP and if they are helping the CCP achieve its goals).
      
      But this guy is over-egging the pudding. Ultimately this does not help his cause.
      
      How inventive people were in the past is not as important as how inventive they are NOW. Sure China went through an amazing inventive period, then a dark period and are now emerging again.
      
      Meanwhile the West has, I fear, reached its pinnacle a while ago and is not if free fall.
      
      Generally I think 5 year plans stifle innovation, but a place the size and complexity of China needs some planning.
      
      Apparently their plan is to be self sufficient in technology by 2025. I don’t see much stopping them.
      
      One of the blockers is the electronic industry’s dependence on ARM processor licensing. China is leading the pack in the push for RISC V (which is open a bit like Linux) and requires no license fees.
      
      China is making some astounding progress in that field.
      
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      January 24, 2021 7:48pm
- curry4me
  
  Maggie Pie: Do the CCP use useful idiots? Does the pope wear a funny hat? Do ducks swim. absolutely!
  Good post.
  
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  January 24, 2021 10:09pm
I remember when

So the world has been ‘greening’ due to the increase in CO2.
This has resulted in an increase in jobs.
As we read scientist are rushing to find reasons this will –
(a) Not be good for the planet.
(b) Not be a long-term result.
(c) Will not have the results we might expect.
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January 24, 2021 8:28am
- alloytoo
  
  Apparently Plants also prefer CO2 Isotopes derived from burning Fossil fuels. (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/18/the-rational-climate-e-book/)
  
  Logically then if the the greening is accelerated by Fossil CO2, then it means that Fossil CO2 is being sequestered far more quickly than than naturally generated CO2,
  
  Carbon evil meme goes poof.
  
  Many careers and many taxpayers $ hinge on diverting resources in uneconomical “Renewables”.
  
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  January 24, 2021 11:13am
  - Doc Holliday
    
    Plants prefer the lighter C isotope C12 so more C12 than C13 ends up in fossil fuels.
    
    Your claims are total nonsense.
    
    You and the idiot Watts need to learn some science. Nick Stokes tries to teach the fools.
    
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    January 24, 2021 12:13pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      The ratio of C12/C13/C14 is pretty much constant.
      
      Your claims are total nonsense.
      You and the idiot Watts need to learn some science. Nick Stokes tries to teach the fools.
      
      After deleting your irrational emotive comments, which add nothing to any scientific debate, we are left with:
      Plants prefer the lighter C isotope C12 so more C12 than C13 ends up in fossil fuels.
      
      Broken down we get two statements: Plants prefer the lighter C isotope C12… which is true
      because 98.9% of CO2 is C12. It is the common element of exchange. Nothing new here.
      
      Second statement: Plants prefer the lighter C isotope C12 so more C12 than C13 ends up in fossil fuels.
      
      What plants like, does not influence how much C12 or C13 is created. It’s a cycle of life, because fossil fuels come predominantly from ancient plants.
      
      https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/isotopes/chemistry.html
      
      So you have stated the obvious CO2 C12 cycle as some sort of “proof”, and added in vitriolic filler in order to attack the argument. So it’s a self cancelling vitriolic attack.
      
      You need to learn some manners, and then some science!
      
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      January 24, 2021 1:41pm
      - Doc Holliday
        
        No you moron, plants selectively uptake the lighter isotope.
        
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        January 24, 2021 6:01pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Doc Holliday
        
        Now you are being insulting.
        
        Given that the lighter isotope is 98.9% of the C12/C13/C14 isotopes available, is it any wonder?
        
        If 99 out of 100 petrol stations are BP and only one is Mobil, is it selective if 99 out 100 car drivers pick BP?
        
        I suggest Doc, that you get a cure for potty mouth. Anyone who stoops to insulting and name calling, does not have a scientific bone in their body.
        
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        January 24, 2021 9:43pm
    - cmm
      
      “Plants prefer the lighter C isotope C12 so more C12 than C13 ends up in fossil fuels.”
      
      Yes, that is exactly why we must burn the fossil fuels to liberate them back into the atmosphere so that the plants won’t starve.
      
      It is not fair on the plants if their more nutritious flavours of C are stuck underground.
      
      We’re being Gaia’s little helpers.
      
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      January 24, 2021 4:21pm
    - kowtow
      
      And girls like diamonds …..
      
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      January 24, 2021 4:47pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And China and India love Coal Power Plants
        https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-worlds-coal-power-plants
        
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        January 24, 2021 6:08pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    So true, since fossil fuels are ultimately derived from ancient plants…
    
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    January 24, 2021 1:26pm
  - cmm
    
    Well who’d have thunk that eh?
    
    The carbon isotopes in coal (made from plant material) and oil (made from plant material) tend to be those that are, ummm mainly found in plants!
    
    Does that shock anyone?
    
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    January 24, 2021 4:12pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well, extraordinarily enuf…
      
      looks like all the carbon stuff in the coal came from C3 plants.
      
      Seems we’ve only had C4 plants for the 30 Million years…. and they’ve got a much lower C13:C12 isotope signature than the C3 plants.
      
      I s’pose we can overlook CAM plants with an intermediate C13:C12 signature,,,as they’re pretty much restricted to Deserts.
      
      Now what was the point Doc Holliday was trying to make?
      
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      January 24, 2021 5:00pm
      - Doc Holliday
        
        If you can break free of crank sites and suspend your disbelief in science long enough you could read this:
        http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/how-do-we-know-that-recent-cosub2sub-increases-are-due-to-human-activities-updated/
        
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        January 24, 2021 6:30pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        suspend your disbelief in science
        
        At least I don’t have to fake my Doc title.
        
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        January 24, 2021 6:46pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        So clearly you didn’t recognise my referencing to Ralph Keeling et al’s adjustments in their 2017 paper.
        
        Despite the low contribution of C4 photosynthesis to global biomass, a reviewer raised the concern that shifts between C3 and C4 photosynthesis might significantly impact the long-term atmospheric δ13C trend, especially via the C4 contribution to soil carbon.
        
        Atmospheric evidence for a global secular increase in carbon isotopic discrimination of land photosynthesis
        https://www.pnas.org/content/114/39/10361
        
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        January 24, 2021 8:42pm
- tf78
  
  Irw – I’ve noticed there seems to be more countries recording their coldest seasons ever right now. Bring on the global warming I say.
  
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  January 24, 2021 5:56pm
I remember when

North Taranaki Midweek:
Derek Andrews has summited Mt Taranaki 850 times.
Makes you wonder how many times he has meet himself going up when he is coming down.
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January 24, 2021 8:34am
- pdm
  
  Surely there must be something else to do in Taranaki in order to fill in a day.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:33am
  - Bob
    
    Not now that the oil and gas industry has been shutdown with a captains call, not even legislated.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:37am
    - Paulus
      
      But, But, Taranaki voted for her following her Captain’s Call !
      
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      January 24, 2021 1:37pm
    - tf78
      
      Bob, Biden’s four years behind but he’s on to it too! Yay wait for unaffordable petrol for our cars, huge inflation and the rise of ISIS. We are doing a rinse and repeat.
      
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      January 24, 2021 5:59pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      How long do you think the young should wait before dealing with the climate crisis?
      
      Surely not until every single old fool has died…
      
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      January 24, 2021 6:33pm
      - alloytoo
        
        The young should calling for rational policies.
        
        So called renewables are destroying habitats and wildlife, rely of fossil fuels to overcome intermittency and generation short falls.
        
        The young would better served by reliable emission free reliable Nuclear power producing advertised capacity for 92%+ of the time.
        
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        January 24, 2021 10:56pm
  - Biscuit
    
    pdm, more years ago than I remember I was strolling about an idyllic Pukekura Park and chanced upon a v. cute young lady.
    
    She cares a cot with me to this day.
    
    Don’t you knock the Naki!
    
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    January 24, 2021 11:01am
The Other Enoch

In Andrea Vance’ article in Stuff(ed) she is reporting that the COVID vaccine will not arrive here until March and the general population will not start receiving it until September, according to Hipkins. What’s more, the vaccines have not been been approved for use here yet. When 41 countries are currently rolling it out this begs a number of questions:

1) What is the truth behind earlier statements made by Adern and Hipkins that the financial contributions that we made for the development of the vaccine meant that we would be one of the first countries to receive it

2) The vaccine has not been approved yet. Why not? Is it because they simply haven’t goy off their backsides and done the work?

3) In light of the mains stream media’s fawning adulation of Adern, who is going to ask the hard questions around these delays?

There are certainly a lot more questions but let’s start with these 3
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January 24, 2021 8:41am
- pdm
  
  David Seymour will definitely ask the hard questions and Judith Collins might.
  
  The despicable Mallard will shut all debate down.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:36am
- Nickc2
  
  FFS, put some grown-ups in charge. These two children (Cindy and Hippy) couldn’t organize a fuck in a brothel even with the Govt’s checkbook in hand.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:42am
  - KiwiSapper
    
    Were I the brothel owner, then viewing this current “Government’s” financial mismanagement, I would expect them to be toting bags of gold bullion and I would accept neither cash nor cheques.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:33am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Well they organised winning an election. The best possible start.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:41am
    - Nickc2
      
      Rigged via media influence.
      
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      January 24, 2021 10:46am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Paid off news media to become their propagandists using $50 million upfront and promise of another $75 million if they won. That was the winning move (even though it is hideously corrupt).
        
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        January 24, 2021 6:38pm
    - redflagged
      
      Yeah, Labour won, but everyone lost that night.
      
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      January 24, 2021 11:28am
  - IC5000
    
    > FFS, put some grown-ups in charge.
    
    I heard they had something called elections for that. So what were the results again?
    
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    January 24, 2021 1:04pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Just follow the truck delivering all the dummies to parliament and see who collects them.
      
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      January 24, 2021 1:39pm
- KiWombat
  
  The number of countries is now 55
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/
  
  So there are 55 countries today who have gone “harder and faster” than we have, and as long as the current administration stays asleep at the wheel we will be lucky to make the first 100 countries !
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:46am
  - Bob
    
    But those 55 don’t have the benefit of smiley face, contorted face, noddy head, and hugs to pacify the populations fears.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:42am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Did you read your own link, or just being selective with hard and fast bs. NZ is third on established orders of vaccine. Down the bottom of the page, check it out.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:46am
    - KiWombat
      
      Yes I read that. The primary comment was about countries rolling out the vaccine, not about ordering vaccines.
      
      Vaccines have little effect until such time as they are administered – not even as effective as smiles and hugz !
      
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      January 24, 2021 11:07am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Something is definitely wrong. Australia and New Zealand are the only developed countries that have not begun vaccinating.
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/
  
  Australia is due to begin in 3 weeks. And once they get going, I would back Australia to go fast. That is because the Federal Government has taken control so unlike the border closure shambles, States squabbling should not be a problem.
  
  So by the end of February, New Zealand may be the only developed country without a roll out underway. Surely the media cannot ignore that? It is very worrying.
  
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  January 24, 2021 10:06am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    I’m not worried as we are working toward it methodically and looking not to make mistakes.
    I think we should be paying more attention to the calls to close the border with GB and putting isolation facilities out of the cities.
    It’s very clear the Government is way further down the track than expected. We saw that with calls for negative tests required at some countries of departure, and within days that was happening. Certainly not reactionary because of the planning required.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:52am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “as we are working toward it methodically and looking not to make mistakes.”
      
      Where are the details of this methodical work? Also you are implying that countries that are currently rolling out the vaccine are not doing it methodically. Based on what evidence?
      
      Based on this government’s track record at delivering things, I am not confident that they will competently deliver a nation wide vaccine roll out.
      
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      January 24, 2021 12:03pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    I wouldn’t worry too much Benedict, it may be a blessing in disguise.
    
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    January 24, 2021 1:45pm
  - giltee
    
    To add to that BU Aussie will be producing 50 million doses themselves. I assume that’s enough for 25 million people and buying the rest for their 26 million population. Aussie has said it’ll help out its pacific neighbours so if they do once again NZ will owe them their gratitude. Australia is taking a proactive stance whereas as usual Ja-cinders ragtag lot are reactive.
    
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    January 24, 2021 1:59pm
- Bob
  
  The MSM are not going to ask any questions of Adern let alone ‘hard factual’ questions.
  Subservient journalism ensures the continuation of the government bribe subsidy for the media, and therefore the incomes of the compliant journalists.
  
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  January 24, 2021 10:40am
- Happy1
  
  The vaccines have received emergency approval overseas. We don’t have an emergency as no one is dying. We won’t get much benefit from vaccination until herd immunity is reached (60%) and we can open up our borders. It would be some help to vaccinate border workers but vaccinated people still can get the disease and transmit it so the controls would remain much the same.
  
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  January 24, 2021 11:16am
  - septic skeptic
    
    There is no job takes so long as the one you never start. They are laggards, plain and simple.
    Opening the borders to inbound tourists isn’t going to happen until virtually all of NZ is vaccinated or until tourists can reliably prove that they are vaccinated and it s established that vaccinated people can’t transmit the virus.
    
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    January 24, 2021 1:14pm
- Sacha
  
  2. The vaccine has not been approved yet, as it has in other countries, because Medsafe is quite rightly cautious about the possibility of acute reactions & long term complications which could have lifetime effects on an individual. Who remembers the Thalidomide debacle? A graphic example of how inadequate research can have an unfortunate outcome.
  It is claimed that Israel is acting as a clinical study group – this will be ongoing research for many years. It may be that NZ’s policy could be used for comparison.
  I think that as long as we can continue without the vaccinations, the safer we are.
  
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  January 24, 2021 1:30pm
Maggie Pie

I’m currently studying part time for a degree in Psychology. Called into the library yesterday and asked the Librarian if she could show me where to find books on ‘Paranoia’ ?
She whispered, “They’re right behind you”
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January 24, 2021 8:42am
Yvette

Children’s Minister Kelvin Davis says outgoing Oranga Tamariki boss Grainne Moss ‘had her critics’ but wasn’t pressured to resign – Newshub, yesterday

Kelvin Davis refuses to say he has confidence in Oranga Tamariki boss Grainne Moss – Newshub, 7 November 2020.

So, the fact your ministerial boss will not express confidence in you, is not intended to place any pressure on you in doing of your work or resigning. I wonder what implications may this have for our entire public service?
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January 24, 2021 8:50am
- kowtow
  
  When race trumps competence .
  Wot could go wrong ?
  
  Anyway , my crystal ball says a non white gets the job and Maori kids will continue to get the bash (along with white kids, but the Media pardy, maori activists and the gubmint don’t care about them)
  
  Nothing will change and systemic something or other will continue to get the blame.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:51am
  - artemisia
    
    If we ever see National / ACT back in power I hope they have practiced this in front of the mirror –
    
    The best person for the job was appointed. That is all.
    The best person for the job was appointed. That is all.
    The best person for the job was appointed. That is all.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:09am
- Nickc2
  
  Grainne Moss was in a position where she couldn’t win. She was not a Maori and IMO, those within the industry who considered themselves Maori set about her demise. In any other society, it would have been deemed Witches Cauldron Justice.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:55am
  - kowtow
    
    That big greenstone pendant didn’t save her .
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:02am
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      But she held out until she got a sweetener. Set a new standard of falling on the sword, comfortably and without injury.
      
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      January 24, 2021 10:54am
  - artemisia
    
    Most of it is about the bottomless pit of taxpayer money that will have to be tipped in to a Maori-led sector. The level of support for at risk families with little ones will have to include funding for endless tilts at ideological kaupapa aka well paid jobs for the chosen ones.
    
    We can only hope that there will be tight contracts and KPIs.
    
    Back in the day ACC faced a tidal wave of ‘sensitive claims’, many resulting in cash payments plus highly lucrative open ended support from counsellors. Eventually ACC twigged and required counsellors to produce an approved plan and adhere to it.
    
    Sounds like an excellent approach.
    
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    January 24, 2021 11:26am
    - Nickc2
      
      Tight contracts and KPI’s are not words you will hear acround their witches cauldron but mirumiru mirumiru mahi me te raru (bubble bubble toil and trouble) will be heard for ever.
      
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      January 24, 2021 12:06pm
  - niggly
    
    Why didn’t the State Services Commissioner defend her? When no-one else would?
    
    As not only did Ms Moss suffer personal attacks and abuse from her (activist) detractors, she was maligned by former Minister Tracey Martin last year and now is being left to suffer reputational damage by new Minister Kelvin Davis being incapable of defending her.
    
    Talking about Kelvin Davis, he had a train-wreck of an interview with HDPA last Thursday (I think) about all this, he came across as an idiot totally out of his depth as he was incapable of giving straight answers to anything HDPA put to him (sheesh, civil servants don’t deserve having him as Minister as he is totally incapable of standing up for them)!
    
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    January 24, 2021 12:27pm
    - Nickc2
      
      I agree niggly. Even if we were successful in getting rid of that clown Davis, there are more waiting in the wings. Willie Jackson for starters.
      Speaking of clowns running the circus, how’s our Foreign Minister going?
      
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      January 24, 2021 12:41pm
    - Bob
      
      when did Kelvin Davis ever come across in an interview as anything other than an over paid idiot!!
      
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      January 24, 2021 1:15pm
      - Nickc2
        
        I hope you weren’t seeking a second opinion Bob. You don’t need one.
        
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        January 24, 2021 1:40pm
Suze Wainwright

Anyone else reading Jack Tame’s latest epic: ‘Why I’ve elected to identify as a pestiferous little brown noser’? (Contributions from John Campbell, Suzy O’Brien, Jesse Mulligan, Hilary Barry & others).

Not terribly well written, but some splendid insights…
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January 24, 2021 8:50am
- RightFirstTime
  
  Just a few of New Zealand’s media “elite”. I doubt very much that Hosking would be on that list.
  
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  January 24, 2021 10:40am
lazza

Quote: … of the week Maggy!

“When Labour took its focus away from the class struggle into identity politics, it created the largest wealth gap NZ society has ever seen”.

When you think about this … How very true!.

Labour has vacated their moral and ethical positions supporting its (previous proletariat ) “base”, in favour of realpolitik self-interested vote harvesting.

But aha … National is no better.

Neither party at present, seems willing (or capable?) of addressing/solving the issues of wealth inequalities in our current NZ society.

Not the NZ I knew and loved. More a soulless materialistic … race to the bottom?
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January 24, 2021 8:55am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “But aha … National is no better.”
  Rock star economy
  falling unemployment
  lower taxes
  1/4 the people on housing waiting lists
  1/5 the people on emergency housing benefit
  etc etc etc
  
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  January 24, 2021 12:00pm
  - tf78
    
    RWC – don’t forget the lowest teen pregnancy rate in like forever!
    
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    January 24, 2021 6:22pm
- amospicton
  
  I can’t stand this inequality nonsense. All that should matter is whether the lot of those at the bottom is getting better or worse. Globally it is absolutely incontrovertible that it’s getting better. In New Zealand probably so too except the continual focus on inequality makes those at the bottom think they’re being victimised. The reality is that ‘neo-liberal’ economics has done a superb job of improving the absolute standard of living of those at the bottom. It just hasn’t done the same in a relative sense and that is becoming a major political issue (whether that’s right or wrong) across the western world. I blame central banks for much of that inequality but that’s another rant…..
  
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  January 24, 2021 1:31pm
Fletch

New Biden directive –

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents, tasked with enforcing federal immigration law, are being instructed to free all detainees in their custody, as President Joe Biden’s administration halts deportations.

An internal January 21 ICE memo, independently reviewed by Breitbart News and first reported by Fox News’s Tucker Carlson, orders agents to “stop all removals,” including land and air deportations.

In addition, the memo tells agents that “all cases” of detainees in ICE custody are now to be considered “no significant likelihood of removal in foreseeable future” — suggesting all detainees will need to be released.

“Release them all, immediately,” the ICE official wrote to staff in the memo. Typically, if detainees do not have sponsors in the United States, agents can hold an individual in their custody. The memo, though, states that is no longer the case and that even detainees without sponsors must be released.

It is unclear if ICE is currently carrying out the mass release of all 14,195 detainees in its custody, 71.45 percent of whom are convicted criminals or have pending criminal charges

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/01/23/ice-agents-ordered-free-all-illegal-aliens-custody-release-them-all/

It’s only going to get worse. Liberals have no damn idea what they’re doing. Or maybe they do, and they just don’t care. A country that refuses to protect its borders from illegal entry is a fool.

Now, according to the Congressional Budget Office, Biden could kill 4 million jobs.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-biden-minimum-wage-cbo
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January 24, 2021 9:06am
- JibberJabber
  
  It’s exactly the thing a Manchurian Candidate would do if they wanted to assassinate an economy for the benefit of their masters…
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:38am
- kowtow
  
  Biden’s going to push the US economy into a depression.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:59am
  - Nickc2
    
    No doubt about that kowtow. However, it will be a Junkie LGBTIQ Paradice. Unfortunately, IMO that’s exactly where we are heading so who cares about money when the Greens will keep us all supplied with soon to be legalized drugs.
    We could even do some murdering and stealing and this Govt would ley us out of jail free.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:36am
    - niggly
      
      And still give you the right to vote!
      
      Labour = All Votes Matter!
      
      (Even crims)!
      
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      January 24, 2021 2:52pm
- amospicton
  
  Ask them whether they lock their front doors at night?
  
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  January 24, 2021 1:32pm
- tf78
  
  Fletch, I think you will find Biden is actually breaking Federal Law allowing that.
  
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  January 24, 2021 6:25pm
Jack5

The New Zealand whaling folk song/shanty that’s been a runaway hit on Youtube is backgrounded in an Otago Daily Times article. It includes an interview with the great-great-grandson of one of the Weller brothers whose ships feature in the song.

The Weller brothers from Sydney ran shore whaling stations round the South Island.

The shanty is continually being re-mixed on YouTube as new musicians join in.

The local story:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/wellerman-sea-shanty-global-hit

One of the recent mixes of the song on Youtube (an earlier version, sound without video, has been watched 8.35 million times):

https://youtu.be/UgsurPg9Ckw
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January 24, 2021 9:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

Teaching identity politics in universities gives students a ‘limiting worldview’

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6225175570001
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January 24, 2021 9:11am
- Jack5
  
  Great interview, Maggy.
  
  Coming up in New Zealand from the identity madness is Maori “science” and, even according to recent appointment at Kiwibank, Maori banking.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:21am
  - KiwiSapper
    
    How come they haven’t made up Maori words to use when describing them. You know, like the ones the expect me to use, ( piss off hairy legs) for the New Zealand Transport Agency, like Waka Kotahi which means canoes gathering.
    Were such a gathering to ever occur, then I would expect Maritime New Zealand to be given the duties.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:47am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Maori used to have food banks.
    
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    January 24, 2021 1:17pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Now, they only know where they are.
      
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      January 24, 2021 1:36pm
- ross411
  
  No, no Maggy, it is all good. A biological male should be able to define themselves as female, and avail themselves of the range of opportunities available to biological females. Universities are acting correctly in order to get this established in society.
  
  Are there four board positions and two are quota’d to men and two are quota’d to women? Let’s ignore the whole quota situation. A biological male can now take one away from a biological female, and count as occupying a woman’s position.
  
  Can’t make it as a biological male in a men’s sport? Redefine yourself as a woman and take a position away from the biological women, and dominate the sport due to biological differences between genders.
  
  This is not in any way biological males taking opportunities away from biological females, and a strangely regressive race into misogyny and a lowering of the glass ceiling. Do not suggest that, that would be discrimination against the rights of biological males to be considered women.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:28am
- Jack5
  
  Latest raving from the Woke fanatics: they are attacking the term “nitty-gritty” because they think it’s related to slavery.
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9178325/BBC-rejects-complaint-against-Laura-Kuenssberg-saying-nitty-gritty.html
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:47am
  - tf78
    
    Jack5, why is it that it takes a “Team of Five Million” to get Covidcon under control on an Island and ONE Person to stuff it up as per.
    
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    January 24, 2021 6:33pm
graham

At least one journalist is looking past the rapture with which the rest of the world has greeted their new messiah, Joe Biden.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/opinion-troubling-signs-in-joe-bidens-first-days-as-president/7CSABBF27HXVUBRJ5ECLGC4KFY/

Firstly, addressing the coverage from US media this week, he writes:

There is a line between treating these events with the deference they deserve and fawning over them, and that line was crossed a little too often.

He then goes on to fact-check a couple of Biden’s statements about Covid, and finds them … somewhat less than 100% accurate.
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January 24, 2021 9:20am
- kowtow
  
  Yes but , Sam Clench, Oz newscorp journalist , under ‘opinion” so Herald can pretend to have an unbiased coverage .
  
  One item out of 99 , I wouldn’t hold my breath on our Media pardy even pretending to hold Creepy Joe to account .
  
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  January 24, 2021 10:18am
- marcw
  
  Since the most of the rest of the article is more TDS focused, possibly the author is setting a scene for the ‘plausible denial’ that all the BS MSM lies and bias for the last 4 years was anything to do with himself. He believed what he wrote about Biden then, but, just in case he was wrong, sets a potential escape with a few implied doubts now it’s too late (but it was all still Trump’s fault).
  
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  January 24, 2021 12:20pm
Fletch

Mark Levin, on how the U.S is currently not beholden to “big oil” like it was in the past. The U.S is now totally energy independent. It produces its own oil and doesn’t need any from the Middle East, but that could all change under Biden. Prices of petrol will rise etc.

https://youtu.be/6zGPB3XGLlk?t=2308
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January 24, 2021 9:20am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Given the ‘cringe factor’ – should Ruud Kleinpaste join the Wiggles?
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January 24, 2021 9:23am
- Inandout
  
  Wiggle and Forget.
  
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  January 24, 2021 9:45am
- KiwiSapper
  
  But of course, and to immediately stay overseas with them being a requirement.
  
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  January 24, 2021 10:51am
MCos

People leaving the UK must have a negative test for covid-19 before departure.
Seeing the departure area at Heathrow one wonders why bother.
https://twitter.com/richardgaisford/status/1352932613808381952?s=21
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January 24, 2021 9:24am
Happychappy

NZ can be ‘honest broker’s in Nuclear disarmament Phil Twyford.
Why would any sane person or Government want Phil Twyford as there Nuclear disarmament Minister as every Ministers folder he has been trusted with has turned to shit, and you only have to look at the housing crisis and light Rail in Auckland to understand his inability to do the job.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/nuclear-free-treaty
The arrogance of Labour MP’s never seizes to amaze me.
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January 24, 2021 9:28am
- pdm
  
  Thank god that (as far as I know) we don’t have any Nuclear weapons or bombs for hapless/hopeless Phil to set off.
  
  Couldn’t even blow himself up if he tried.
  
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  January 24, 2021 10:09am
- Nickc2
  
  What’s Nuclear Disarmament got to do with us? Oh, that’s right, it’s more virtue signalling to be added to Cincy’s CV on her way to the UN. Jesus wept.
  
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  January 24, 2021 10:13am
  - Paulus
    
    Does Nuclear disarmament include the Nuclear energy we use for Medical purpose daily in hospitals ?
    
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    January 24, 2021 1:48pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Hey Paulus, the public aren’t supposed to know about those little suckers. Lange denied their presence. It was all about being anti-America at the time.
      
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      January 24, 2021 2:29pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      NZ Nuclear Free…as silly a slogan as:
      
      NZ Predator-Free
      or
      NZ Carbon-Zero
      
      etc.
      
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      January 24, 2021 3:21pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Heh – good one. A colleague of mine specializes in developing new imaging techniques using radionuclides, he’s always picking up hot stuff from the hospital suppliers. We did some work for him a while back and I did it personally, not having my grad students or staff getting in front of that, most of them haven’t had kids yet. Difference is the stuff made for medical grade work doesn’t come with a detonator…
      
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      January 24, 2021 3:29pm
- Mike
  
  Phil Twyford as Minister for Disarmament practically guarantees an arms race.
  
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  January 24, 2021 10:31am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Try Minister of Rearmament. Just a small tweak that ought to work.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:57am
- Pharmachick
  
  Has anybody told Iran yet? Last I heard their enrichment program had gone from 3% enriched to 10% enriched. Always makes me LAUGH because the company that makes most of the world’s ultracentrifuges that can be used for enriching Uranium, called a Zippe-type centrifuge, belongs to the UK government (China and Russia make them too, but they don’t export [that we know of] and the French company went out of business [that we know of]).
  
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  January 24, 2021 3:33pm
- tf78
  
  Happychappy, Phil’s going to be tres busy with Biden in charge.
  
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  January 24, 2021 6:38pm
Fletch

Why don’t Democrats ever get called on “inciting to violence”? These examples of Democrat speech are FAR worse than anything Trump has ever said, including his speech on Nov 6th (which still nobody can point to anything which may have incited a crowd).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKc5TylYqjo

Why are Democrats never held to account?
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January 24, 2021 9:28am
- SB2
  
  Fletch, do remind us how many were killed in the Trump inspired Capitol Hill riot?
  
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  January 24, 2021 1:23pm
  - Fletch
    
    It wasn’t “Trump inspired”. It was pre-planned according to CNN and the Washington Post.
    
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics/capitol-riot-investigation/index.html
    
    In other words, it had nothing to do with anything Trump did or said at the rally. To add to that, politicians of all stripes have always made fiery speeches, going back to the 1800s. But that doesn’t mean they are encouraging or inciting others to act violently. And if you want to go there, how about the Bernie bro who shot up a GOP baseball game and injured Steve Scalise?
    
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    January 24, 2021 2:05pm
JibberJabber

Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today.

None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true.

What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and science.

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

???
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January 24, 2021 9:31am
- GazzaW
  
  ……and we haven’t been by hammered on a daily basis about the giant hole in the ozone layer for a long period now. Does it still exist or has Mother Nature done the job for us?
  
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  January 24, 2021 10:02am
  - Mike
    
    The Montreal Protocol on ozone-depleting gases has had an impact there.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We’ve just had the biggest Ozone hole since measurements began.
    
    https://public.wmo.int/en/media/news/record-breaking-2020-ozone-hole-closes#:~:text=The%202020%20Antarctic%20ozone%20hole,monitoring%20began%2040%20years%20ago.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:34am
    - SB2
      
      MW , a more nuanced understanding of the issue is in order.
      
      BTWYour’e mot suggesting a return to fullscale use of CFC propelled aerosols?
      
      ” Ozone Depletion and Climate Change
      
      “Ozone depletion and climate change are linked in a number of ways, but ozone depletion is not a major cause of climate change.
      
      “..As shown in the figure, the increase in carbon dioxide is the major contributor to climate change. Carbon dioxide concentrations are increasing in the atmosphere primarily as the result of the burning of coal, oil, and natural gas for energy and transportation. The atmospheric abundance of carbon dioxide is currently about 30% above what it was 150 years ago. The relative impacts on climate of various other “greenhouse” gases are also shown on the figure.
      
      There is an additional factor that indirectly links ozone depletion to climate change; namely, many of the same gases that are causing ozone depletion are also contributing to climate change. These gases, such as the chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), are greenhouse gases, absorbing some of the infrared radiation emitted by the Earth’s surface, thereby effectively heating the Earth’s surface…”
      
      https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/research/ozone-uv/moreinfo?view=deleption-climate-change
      
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      January 24, 2021 1:45pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Shall I organise some comprehension lessons for you?
        
        1. I placed up the latest information on the 2020 Ozone Holes over Antarctica
        
        It was in response to Gazza W’s query.
        
        There is no need for a nuanced understanding of my reply.
        
        2. I have made no comment whatsoever about the use of CFCs.
        
        So no need for you to suggest something that no-one but you has imagined.
        
        I know our PM has instructed folks to read between the lines, but perhaps you should master reading the lines before you try second-guessing me.
        
        Because, to date, you’ve been spectacularly wrong about me.
        
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        January 24, 2021 2:42pm
- JackRabbit
  
  …doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the ~~1960’s~~ dawn of mankind.
  
  Countless virgins and goats have been sacrificed and bled to death on stone altars to ensure there was no repeat of the previous year’s drought / pestilence / flood. It’s been going on since at least 8000 BC.
  
  Current Fear Porn about Climate Change is just a harmonic recurrence of the Pagan rituals that unless we sacrifice something or everything, fire and pestilence will rain done upon us.
  
  “If we don’t sacrife the goat/virgin, the drought will never end. Beg forgiveness for your sins. Give all your gold to the Church.”
  
  “If we don’t stop farmers farming and give the land back to the snails we will all perish. Beg forgiveness for your carbon footprint. Give all your wealth to the World State in a carbon tax.”
  
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  January 24, 2021 2:01pm
Notsofast

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
When read carefully, this report explains how Sweden has euthanised thousands of elderly since covid began.
This has been deliberate, and neither the patients nor their families were consulted:

https://zerocovidalliance.org/articles/corona-commission-scathing-criticism-of-the-swedish-government-and-the-public-health-authority-for-treatment-of-the-elderly

Sweden has been praised by Kerre McIvor on ZB and Stephen Franks on RNZ for their management of the pandemic. In fairness to them they may have not understood the policy.
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January 24, 2021 9:34am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  It is an extreme claim to make that Sweden has deliberately euthanised thousands of elderly over the last year, presumably way outside the legal guidelines for euthanasia. Basically it is a claim that the Swedes are the same as the Nazis.
  
  I read the article, given the nature of your claim. It does not back up your claim. It does say that some extremely sick elderly people received palliative care. That also happens in New Zealand. It is why we have a network of Hospices.
  
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  January 24, 2021 11:42am
The Boss

This article by Rob Stock confirms why it is a good thing that Winston and his cronies were voted out. Imagine a rugby team playing for an important trophy (and winning) but being told ten minutes before the end of the game: Sorry we have changed the rules. There is another team waiting for you. If you win this game you will have to beat the fresh team as well before the trophy can be yours. Crazy and cruel. Increase the 10 years to 20 or even 25 years by all means, but don’t apply the new rules to people already in the country. The settings that were in place when they decided to emigrate should be honoured, that is only fair.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123914117/migrant-community-fight-inhumane-plan-to-move-nz-super-goalposts
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January 24, 2021 10:15am
- gump
  
  What the hell? No!
  
  We are a sovereign country and can change our laws and regulations at any time. We are not a retirement colony for parasitic and free-loading elderly grifters who want to take money from a country that they haven’t contributed to.
  
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  January 24, 2021 10:57am
  - Bob
    
    So true gump.
    We have bred enough grifters who only take money from the motivated, it is called socialist welfare.
    
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    January 24, 2021 1:18pm
  - The Boss
    
    gump: So if government decides tomorrow that Kiwis can only receive Super from age 75 (not 65) to be implemented immediately, that would also be fair, right?
    You mention parasites: Yes, I meet them every day. Born Kiwis too lazy to work. Sit at home drinking, watching TV, making babies. Most immigrants that I know are hardworking citizens, both young and old.
    
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    January 24, 2021 2:26pm
- kowtow
  
  Pretty sure the rules relate to the primary ,initial immigrant . To then bring in elderly /nearly retired/already retired parents to live off the fat of tax payers ,when it is understood that they must provide for themselves , is like bringing on extra players in order to win a bigger slice of the prize money……..
  
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  January 24, 2021 11:31am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hmm. Even the grand parental immigrants cited in the article thought 10 years residency to qualify for Super was way too short, but they want to pull up the drawbridge behind them. This shows they have no principle to stand on, which in my view means we should disregard their objections.
  
  After all, if I understand correctly, they want to receive Super in return for looking after their own grandchildren. Sweet gig, but I’m unconvinced that the taxpayer should be funding it.
  
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  January 24, 2021 4:50pm
  - The Boss
    
    “This shows they have no principle to stand on”.
    The principle is that you cannot have one set of rules for prospective immigrants on which they base their future and their financial planning, and then change the rules after they have arrived. When National promised to do a similar change before they were voted out, Bill English clearly stated that people already in the country will not be affected by the proposed law change. Only fair.
    
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    January 24, 2021 7:34pm
Maggie Pie

[Deleted – not a matter for “humour”, especially without substantiated evidence. Mod.]
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January 24, 2021 10:46am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Mod – appreciate the need for caution.
  This link from the WSJ has just been provided…..no ‘humor’ intended whatsoever.
  
  https://wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccine-makers-turn-toward-testing-children-11607688001
  
  [Then how about you don’t use the term “lab-rats”, and provide the link responsibly instead of just a malicious slur on an international health research company. Warning for another ban if repeated. Mod.]
  
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  January 24, 2021 11:09am
  - SB2
    
    We can safely assume the Moderna, Pfizer etc seek informed consent from parents or guardians. of the said children?
    
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    January 24, 2021 1:48pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Yes you can, its required to register the trial. If the kids are old enough they will “assent” as well.
      
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      January 24, 2021 2:36pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Nice job Mod.
    
    The clinical trials are necessary to ensure kids can be vaccinated too.
    
    Maggie here’s a free warning: don’t piss off companies that have bigger revenues than NZs GNP, they don’t play nice when they’re unhappy.
    
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    January 24, 2021 2:35pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Poor Maggie. From hero to zero in no time at all.
  
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  January 24, 2021 4:45pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    https://i.imgflip.com/45mg4i.jpg
    
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    January 24, 2021 4:56pm
curry4me

https://www.ntd.com/taiwan-reports-large-incursion-by-chinese-air-force_557414.html

Taiwan Reports Large Incursion by Chinese Air Force.

TAIPEI—Eight Chinese bomber planes and four fighter jets entered the southwestern corner of Taiwan’s air defense identification zone on Saturday, and Taiwan’s air force deployed missiles to “monitor” the incursion, the island’s Defense Ministry said.
China, which claims Taiwan as its own territory, has conducted almost daily flights over the waters between the southern part of Taiwan and the Taiwan-controlled Pratas Islands in the South China Sea in recent months.
This is a process of attrition. They want to wear the Taiwanese forces down to the point where they’re demoralized, and quit. Or to the point where they can easily be invaded. I’m sure Beijing Biden is furious, and will ask Hunter to return the billion bucks. Carrier groups are on the way, along with a stiff diplomatic protest on Taiwans behalf / sarc
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January 24, 2021 10:56am
- Nickc2
  
  So Beijing Biden’s been preparing his bunker given an advance warning?
  Push shove, who’s going to blink first and which side will the dynamic duo (Kommie Kamala and Beijing Biden) choose.
  It doesn’t warrant thinking about.
  
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  January 24, 2021 1:50pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4nnYLHAPcI

Donald Trump’s ‘Patriot party’ is going to change American as well as global politics forever.

The GOP can’t take on the deep state. They’re joined at the hip. An explicitly
Anti-establishment party is needed. President Trump would be the perfect leader for such a party. I’d rather Steve Bannon wasn’t part of it though.

[Pity this guy isn’t on Rumble]
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January 24, 2021 10:57am
- Inandout
  
  curry, the Repubs are worried about the impeachment vote which is why it has been extended out to February. Trump is gaining in popularity which must be exceedingly irritating for the Washington swamp.
  
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  January 24, 2021 11:55am
  - theoldbloke
    
    Think that the Repubs are playing it well. The Senate hearing will…gasp, shock, horor actually have evidence debated.!!!
    
    Not the charade of Pelosi House vote BS.
    
    Remember the Senate hearing will be a trial chaired by The President of the US Supreme court(or his nominee).
    
    The Trumpets will be looking forward to debunking the charges.
    
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    January 24, 2021 3:34pm
    - tf78
      
      theoldbloke, they have evidence now that the FBI knew days before what was going to happen in the Capitol and they and Nancy let it happen. Who’s for impeachment now then?!
      
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      January 24, 2021 6:49pm
  - curry4me
    
    Inandout: If the GOP does provide the neccessary 17 votes, they’re goners. GOP and Democrat are ust two wings of the same corrupt globalist turkey.
    
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    January 24, 2021 10:31pm
- SB2
  
  Interesting. Third party’s historically have not done well in America and especailly with their FFP system
  
  I just don’t believe there are not enough Americans deluded enough to support it’s Qanon deep state/ conspiracy base and premise.
  
  Furthermore, it will merely split the GOP and far-right vote.
  
  We await Trump to make his intentions more clear and explicit after he finishes licking his grievous wounds
  
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  January 24, 2021 1:56pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/biden-follows-radical-agenda-first-72-hours/
Buyers Remorse starts here
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January 24, 2021 11:12am
JibberJabber

This…https://twitter.com/rpcnz/status/1352920242452746247 …is the next generation of politician.
A low IQ Green trust fund baby…?

Wee Luke who lives in Mummy and Daddy’s house… Jeebus fargin’ wept ?
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January 24, 2021 11:33am
- artemisia
  
  Fortunately I kept a copy of Mr Wijohn’s below utterance as the link seems to have disappeared.
  
  Not sure why.//
  
  Western Springs College student Luke WiJohn “Reports out of the UK are saying that they are running out of fertile land and in about 30 years they are going to have no more food … It’s kind of clear we’re on the verge of mass starvation…”
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/programmes/digital_bulletin/story/2018686644/latest-rnz-news-bulletin
  
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  January 24, 2021 12:34pm
Maggie Pie

DAY 3 of the Biden presidency…..

https://twitter.com/FRANCE24/status/1352980038514221056
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January 24, 2021 11:35am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Queue the buyers remorse.
  
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  January 24, 2021 11:55am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Buyer’s remorse ? Maybe they are ready to respond.
    
    https://the-american-catholic.com/2021/01/23/trump-miss-me-yet-a-continuing-series/
    
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    January 24, 2021 12:33pm
- SB2
  
  MP, Chinese excursions into Taiwan’s air space are nothing new . One such incident occurred last year and Trump and Pompeo didn’t lift a finger
  
  Why was that?
  
  https://thediplomat.com/2019/04/taiwan-vows-forceful-expulsion-of-chinese-fighters-flying-in-taiwanese-airspace/
  
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  January 24, 2021 2:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Who is running antifa.com
Type it and find out.
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January 24, 2021 12:33pm
- Don Beckett
  
  China Joe’s storm troopers.
  
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  January 24, 2021 12:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Beijing Biden and the Keystone XL pipeline.
https://uniteamericafirst.com/don-jr-says-biden-killed-keystone-xl-pipeline-for-different-reason-than-hes-letting-on/?
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January 24, 2021 12:54pm
fernglas

Stuff puts the boot in again: what has St Ashley done to them?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300212154/zero-cases-the-coronavirus-milestone-that-was-actually-probably-a-myth
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January 24, 2021 1:00pm
- theoldbloke
  
  The shine on St Ashleys gold star is being tarnished day by day.
  A nice face on daily TV can only go so far.
  The Pandemic response report released just before Xmas, does NOT support his Sainthood status.
  Far from it!!
  
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  January 24, 2021 3:39pm
Nickc2

The hypocrisy of politicians. We are not unique.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/01/biden-falls-at-the-first-hurdle.html
This prick has no shame whatsoever.
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January 24, 2021 1:02pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Yes, his name should be Joke Biden.
  
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  January 24, 2021 3:53pm
- kowtow
  
  Thanks for the laugh .
  
  “Don’t go that way , Joe Biden’s sniffing kids over there ”
  
  Priceless. The delicious irony is it’s the scene the 1984 mob want airbrushed from the movie , brilliant.
  
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  January 24, 2021 4:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Compare and contrast:
2 articles on Grainne Moss

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2021/jan/23/oranga-tamariki-mosss-exit-does-not-mean-the-maori-child-welfare-crisis-is-resolved

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/grainne-moss-fall-guy-for-deeper-problem
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January 24, 2021 1:11pm
- kowtow
  
  Scary to think the guy who wrote the Guardian piece is an “educator” .
  
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  January 24, 2021 2:36pm
I remember when

At present no death is acceptable for covid-19.
Must be a lot of crossed fingers and toes in MIQ.
How many deaths will we have to accept once the vaccines have been fully rolled out?
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January 24, 2021 1:48pm
- theoldbloke
  
  DOB and Passport number
  
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  January 24, 2021 3:40pm
I remember when

Question for a friend: “Do you have to provide your age when you apply for a vacancy in MIQ?”
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January 24, 2021 1:53pm
I remember when

The Guardian: Zero cases the coronavirus milestone that was actually (probably) a myth.
An article about seven months in the making.
Now that is long-term research.
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January 24, 2021 2:00pm
Sacha

My reaction is to give Maori their own child protection agency, and let them manage it how they will, if that’s what they want. The children likely to need its services wouldn’t be any worse off than they are now.
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January 24, 2021 2:03pm
Maggie Pie

Just another reason why we only ever fly Emirates First Class…

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1353122843278544901
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January 24, 2021 2:39pm
- SB2
  
  I am Dr. Britt Baker, DMD, and I’m a professional wrestler. I don’t mean to brag or boast, but I love the recognition for it.
  
  Britt Baker
  
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  January 24, 2021 2:56pm
SB2

” I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.”

James Baldwin
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January 24, 2021 2:47pm
Fisiani

At 4pm we will be fed the latest spin on the breakout of Covid in Northland. Not a single Kiwi has been vaccinated yet and the government has no intention of doing so this month.
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January 24, 2021 3:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear…
  What’s the betting that Waitangi will be off?
  (as I’ve been predicting for weeks)
  
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  January 24, 2021 3:34pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Oh well every cloud has a silver lining 🙂
    
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    January 24, 2021 5:24pm
    - sooty
      
      But who will get the free food like in ChCh at the cancelled celebrations!
      
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      January 24, 2021 5:54pm
      - niggly
        
        No doubt Kelvin will ensure the food still gets delivered regardless – I mean imagine all the endless crap he’d get from the likes of Hone and plenty of others if he didn’t!
        
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        January 24, 2021 8:49pm
    - MCos
      
      What difference does it make to you, Mr Yu?
      
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      January 24, 2021 7:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The mysdery of the transforming T may soon be solved:

Another Kiwi accent change, is to pronounce the letter T like a D, meaning city becomes siddy.

The research will be supported by a $614,000 grant from the Royal Society’s Marsden Fund.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/124036896/major-new-study-into-how-new-zealand-accent-changes-in-childhood
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January 24, 2021 3:33pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Wow. Cindy was way ahead of the curve on that one.
  
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  January 24, 2021 3:55pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Either that, or she has never grown up – take your pick (or should that be pig ? )
    
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    January 24, 2021 3:57pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She may have picked up her alveolar flapping from her Irish forebears… or maybe from watching too much Yankee TV.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flapping
    
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    January 24, 2021 4:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/homeschooled-kid-graduates-high-school-5-months-before-birth?
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January 24, 2021 4:09pm
- SB2
  
  Hot housing election taken to an astonishing extreme
  
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  January 24, 2021 5:20pm
rockape

Will we be seeing gang manned roadblocks in Northland to keep north landers in and protect the rest of NZ?
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January 24, 2021 5:23pm
- sooty
  
  Are we allowed to have our own to keep them in and stop hone going to auckland for breakfast!
  
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  January 24, 2021 6:03pm
Benedict Yu

I quite liked Larry King back in the day. He was a good at interviews and IIRC he did not have the left bias that permeates the media these days. He was a great mate of Frank Sinatra so he must have been OK. 🙂

RIP

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300212893/larry-king-giant-of-american-broadcasting-for-decades-dies-aged-87
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January 24, 2021 5:23pm
Tony Stuart

So, if this woman from Northland left MIQ at the Pullman Hotel on 13 January, after testing negative to Covid on Day 12, either she:

* left MIQ infected but asymptomatic, or
* contracted Covid from an undetected person in the community after leaving MIQ.

Given that it is some weeks since we had a publicly disclosed case of community transmission, the second alternative seems less likely that the first. Even however if the woman has, as reported by Dr Bloomfield, been using the Covid tracer app “assidulously”, how many people might she have come into contact with at 30 different locations, including Helensville, whilst infectious? And does the speculation that she may have crossed paths with a Minister in the Ardern government have any foundation?
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January 24, 2021 5:52pm
- Inandout
  
  Tony, then the Covid Queen’s timing would have been spot on if she was planning another lock down.
  
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  January 24, 2021 6:05pm
  - niggly
    
    Note how she didn’t front “bad news” again – trouble is, she can’t stay in witless protection for long if the bad news gets worse!
    
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    January 24, 2021 8:52pm
- Hollyfield
  
  It shows something a number of people have questioned on this blog – people just about to leave MIQ are mixing with people who have just arrived, and potentially being exposed to infection. They haven’t said where/how this woman contracted it, but this is a possible scenario.
  
  At the time of the Auckland cluster (August/September?) my local primary school had a positive case in their community. A parent of one of their students had returned from overseas, been in MIQ, and then released after two weeks. After returning home, that parent tested positive. It was reported in the media at the time, and in the letter from the school’s board of trustees that the child had not been at school at all, as the entire household was in isolation for (from memory) the required 1 (or maybe 2) weeks following the parent’s release from MIQ.
  
  I have been wondering this afternoon whether that rule is still in place, given that this woman has been travelling all around the countryside for the last 11 days since leaving MIQ.
  
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  January 24, 2021 6:13pm
- Fletch
  
  I really don’t know why we are letting people in at all until the virus is under control overseas. Seems to me the height of stupidity, but last week Jacinda ruled out completely shutting down the border.
  
  As I said, this Govt is always reactive rather than proactive. Not until something bad happens do they jump to do something.
  
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  January 24, 2021 8:05pm
sooty

Chippy the boy wonder said on tv only 125,000 doses are coming in march!
Who gets them as only 62,500 can get them as you need two shots with labours vacine!
Do you give it to essential services, maori, government, elderly, sick?
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January 24, 2021 6:00pm
- Stu2
  
  You could probably do 100,000 if you were confident on what was going to arrive in April
  
  That many should cover the MIQ workers, border workers and most (all?) of the frontline health workers
  
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  January 24, 2021 11:15pm
greybeard

Stuff’s homepage has articles about:
– a UFC fighter from somewhere
– another UFC fighter from somewhere
– lots of super-rich America’s Cup contestants having a hissy-fit about something
– some crap about NZ accents, probably written by someone not from NZ
– “experts” pontificating about CV-19. As usual.
– Kamala Harris . We can expect millions more such articles in the next 3 or 4 years.
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January 24, 2021 6:50pm
Maggie Pie

“Our focus is on jobs.
And helping our supporters avoid them.”

– Jacinda Ardern (FB)
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January 24, 2021 7:15pm
Maggie Pie

And why all the negativity 🙁
More than thirteen nasty spiteful comments on this twitter post in just 38 minutes.
We should all be celebrating success.
Like most people, our CV’s have nearly doubled in the last 4 years!

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1353210989844574210
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January 24, 2021 7:30pm
- niggly
  
  Wow! Check out the comments section – you’re right!
  
  Will the NZH “disappear” the comments somehow?!!
  
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  January 24, 2021 8:42pm
Surely Knott

Disney producer Tweets #MAGA kids go screaming hats first into the woodchipper. Complete with a cartoon of a wood chipper with blood squirting out of it.

Has he lost his job? Or been banned from Twitter for inciting violence? Nah , he just set his account to private. You know the drill – it’s different when the left do it.
https://www.google.co.nz/amp/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/22/jack-morrissey-beauty-and-beast-producer-apologize/
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