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Happychappy

Are our Hospitals vulnerable at present and how are they going to cope heading into another winter.
Emergency departments around the Country are seeing unprecedented numbers of sick and injured patients, leaving least one Hospital struggling to find enough beds.
The large of numbers has led to a warning lives could be put at risk if not addressed as this time of year is normally quieter and there is already concerns about Winter.
“This is worring for us because its summer and we are starting to consider what we need to do in the next six months” said Dr Thornton.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/01/experts-issue-stark-warning-as-emergency-departments-are-overrun-by-huge-spike-in-patients.html
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January 22, 2021 8:01am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  All the metropolitan Auckland hospitals have been inundated since the end of the first lockdown and it continues. Bloomfield thinks that another lockdown will save our hospitals over winter – clearly he never talks to staff on the frontline. He has strengthened our hospitals but I am not sure how – probably more overpaid managers and useful idiots in the MOH
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:12am
- kowtow
  
  They wonder why people don’t trust the Media Pardy .
  
  According to the Ferald it’s cos medico staff are on holiday , that lazy people put off going to the Doc till after their own holidays ,and that no one gets turned away ( if no one gets turned away then you will get huge queues )
  
  And last but not least the holidays are over and the unions have their hands out for more taxpayer money.
  
  Fake news , the bigger the lie the better etc
  
  Lurgenpresse.
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:29am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Nine long years of neglect by the previous gummit….
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:59am
- krazykiwi
  
  Time is teaching me to discredit most stories that lead with “Experts warn”, or “Experts confirm” etc.
  
  I’ve learned that these ‘experts’ are usually hand-picked individuals who are set up to deliver an alarmist narrative on behalf of others.
  
  argumentum ab auctoritate writ large.
  
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  January 22, 2021 11:41am
  - curry4me
    
    krazykiwi: You’re right. X is the unknown quantity, and a spurt is a drip that only works under pressure.
    
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    January 22, 2021 7:05pm
Maggie Pie

Auckland Mayor Paula Bennett ?

PLEASE LORD!!
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January 22, 2021 8:03am
- BeeJay
  
  So, you want her, or you don’t want her??
  
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  January 22, 2021 8:13am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, just easier to move out of Auckland.
  
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  January 22, 2021 8:14am
- New Zealander
  
  She’d be better than Goff, but she wouldn’t win.
  
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  January 22, 2021 8:14am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    A rabid dog with a note in it’s mouth would be better than Goff.
    
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    January 22, 2021 9:25am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    She will end up last. Chloe for Mayor.
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:59am
- niggly
  
  Well “Mayor for ~~Troughing~~ Life ” Phil Goff won’t be happy – he’ll have some real competition for a change, which can only be a good thing! Imagine how angry Goff will get too – bonus!
  
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  January 22, 2021 8:24am
  - lifesgood
    
    He’d be spitting mad.
    
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    January 22, 2021 9:04am
    - sooty
      
      Nah, he will leave in a hissy fit!
      
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      January 22, 2021 9:31am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Very good
      
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      January 22, 2021 9:38am
- greybeard
  
  Only if the majority of councillors are behind her. Otherwise you will get what we have in Wellington, a mayor who is helpless against a left-leaning council.
  
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  January 22, 2021 8:33am
  - Mike
    
    I think mayors should be elected by the council. Direct election of mayors often means they will be at odds with their councillors. A mayor without a team, or the ability to negotiate consensus, is powerless.
    
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    January 22, 2021 8:44am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      If nothing gets done because they’re too busy fighting each other, that’s not necessarily bad. What are the chances they would spend ratepayers’ money wisely and carefully if they all agreed on things?
      
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      January 22, 2021 10:21am
  - Colville
    
    Maybe DPF can answer this.
    
    Why doesnt National run local body candidates the way Labour and The Gweens do?
    
    Pin the colours to the wall so we can vote for sensible people and maybe they get some exposure and training before stepping up to trying out as a MP?
    
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    January 22, 2021 8:54am
    - oldfella
      
      Excellent suggestion. Great place for future Nat MPs to get their training wheels.
      
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      January 22, 2021 10:28am
      - Sol Invictus
        
        And great for training and motivation for the volunteers and for experience in campaigning. The National board have had papers presented in the past pointing out the myriad advantages but haven’t been clear-sighted enough to pursue the option
        
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        January 22, 2021 6:54pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      That is because National party hierarchy is full of idiots. Idiots who elected Peter Badfellow again.
      
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      January 22, 2021 11:00am
    - greybeard
      
      Even better: let us have ACT promote their own local body representatives. At least there would be a marked differentiation in policies.
      
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      January 22, 2021 4:59pm
- alloytoo
  
  Listen Sweetie!
  
  If this is a thing, National should stop being chumps and support her at a local level.
  
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  January 22, 2021 8:37am
- Biscuit
  
  Heh heh, Maggie.
  
  What is it about Auckland that attracts the more dillbrainish of hack politicos to be its mayor?
  
  Len Brown
  Phil Goff
  Dick Hubbard
  John Banks
  Cath Tizard
  
  You and your Tennis Club pals have much to answer for, heh heh. Someone must be voting for them, right?
  
  The last decent Auckland mayor I can recall was Dove-Myer Robinson…
  
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  January 22, 2021 8:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Banksie was really good. He told us all once we should lock our gates and set the dog on ‘Census Takers’ if they got in 😀
    
    (…….he’s on Magik now – tune in 702am)
    
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    January 22, 2021 9:15am
    - pdm
      
      1368 for me – listening now.
      
      He is nowhere near as good as Peter Williams or the master of all 9am to 12 noon talkback Leighton Smith.
      
      I am only listening to Banks because the other option is Kerre McIver – and she is a no no.
      
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      January 22, 2021 9:50am
  - oldfella
    
    Biscuit, I always thought Les Mills did a decent job as mayor. And what about Dame Kath?
    But yes, Robbie was exceptional – way ahead of his time with his thinking and his vision for what Auckland could be.
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:32am
- GazzaW
  
  It was purely a kite flying exercise by arch-lefty Simon Wilson tagged to a misleading click bait headline. I don’t believe that Paula Bennett has even been approached or has any interest whatsoever in the job.
  
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  January 22, 2021 8:55am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Yeah, I imagine Simon Wilson has already started an ‘anyone but anybody associated with the National Party for Auckland Mayor’ campaign…
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:57am
- all true
  
  Better her than these left loonies
  
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  January 22, 2021 12:41pm
Yvette

• Ardern wants to tackle housing crisis ‘on multiple fronts’ amid ‘unsustainable’ price growth
• Labour Party pamphlet from 1919 shows striking parallels to today’s housing crisis
• Backlash over public housing ‘re-announcement’ prompts firm defence from Ardern
• The Government has revealed where it plans to build 8000 new public and transitional homes it promised in the last Budget, as it faces serious political pressure on housing. – stuff
• Ardern lays out path to 18,000 more state homes – Newsroom

In less than a day, Ardern seems to have achieved what Twyford took months. if not years, to do – make multiple announcements of varying goals to totally obfuscate Labour’s entire housing policy.

When will Labour stop announcing intentions and just talking, and actually build something to meet New Zealanders’ ever increasing needs?
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January 22, 2021 8:08am
- cmm
  
  They made a big poster.
  
  What more do you want from PR people?
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:01am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Haha yes I saw that poster in the background yesterday on the “news”. It looked very positive, showing how many state houses there were now, and how many there would be in coming years.
    
    What it conveniently left out was the picture of how many people there are on the housing waiting list, and what has happened to those numbers (hint: the word exponential is appropriate) over the last 3+ years.
    
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    January 22, 2021 9:41am
- Than
  
  So they’ve announced a goal which everybody agrees would be wonderful if we could do it… but which is utterly unrealistic, and they have no clue how to even start working towards.
  
  I’m getting a sense of deja-vu.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:08am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    They did build over 4,500 social houses in the last term, so I don’t think 8,000 this term is hopelessly unrealistic.
    It was KiwiBuild (basically houses for first home buyers) that was an utter failure. The private sector was way more capable in this sector of the market.
    Labour (or any government) would be much better to focus on financial measures to help first home buyers.
    
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    January 22, 2021 9:24am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Repeal RMA then put in small piece meal regs to cover problems as the arise.
      restrict council activities to NECESSARY projects for the delivery of water, storm water, sewage , local roading repairs and releasing new land for building. All other monuments to their stupidity to require a local referendum and approval.
      Q: (Megan Woods on AMShow) If you believe that the RMA needs reforming. why did you vote against it when National tried to put it through years ago?
      
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      January 22, 2021 9:34am
    - Melbury
      
      Wouldn’t that just put the price up?
      
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      January 22, 2021 9:36am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        When I bought my first house, I got a govt subsidised interest rate of 3% when market rates were about 6%. Also parents with children could capitalise the Family Benefit, which for many provided the bulk of the deposit. Because they had an entitlement to the FB, it was effectively their own money, not just a straight govt grant.
        
        The problem today is finding the deposit, rather than the loan. So maybe a government supplied suspensory loan for up to 10% deposit, matched one to one with the purchasers savings (or Kiwisaver). Suspended for say five years, then at 3% interest only. Repayment of the capital occurring on sale. The matching requirement is in recognition that home buyers should make some form of contribution for their house purchase.
        
        After five years the value of the house should have increased enough, so the the first home buyer has some worthwhile equity in the home.
        
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        January 22, 2021 12:00pm
    - MCos
      
      The private sector are building a number of new houses around this area. Trouble is they’re all a million dollars or so. Two doors away a builder has bought two back sections and is going to squeeze in as many townhouses as he can.
      He probably paid a couple of million for the properties.
      Not exactly first homes.
      
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      January 22, 2021 9:47am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      So when you say “They did build over 4,500 social houses in the last term” what you really mean is the private sector built them and the government built exactly none.
      
      The best thing any government can do is to ensure a fair resource management environment that enables, rather than inhibits, the ability of good operators (such as Solution Street, for example) to build affordable homes.
      
      Thanks to the RMA we don’t have that environment, and despite New Zealand having plenty of land we will continue to have a shortage of housing, affordable and otherwise.
      
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      January 22, 2021 9:47am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Yes, in fact has any government ever built houses? Surely all governments (even the Savage govt) always contracted private builders to actually build the houses.
        
        Ministry of Works of the old days did roads, power stations, etc; not houses.
        
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        January 22, 2021 12:05pm
      - CrazyIvan
        
        Wayne, I think they did. MoW built Twizel village, Railways erected villages like the one in Ngaio and I think the original state houses were govt built
        
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        January 22, 2021 4:59pm
    - barnacle bill
      
      Wayne, what would be wrong with reforming the likes of the the State Advances, like was back in the earlier days. ?
      This system allowed many young families into homes at low interest rates.
      
      I cant see why it would not work, maybe you have some answers ?
      
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      January 22, 2021 10:15am
      - geoff3012
        
        interest rates obviously not the problem….saving the deposit is – especially when values outstrip what anybody can save..
        
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        January 22, 2021 1:03pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        @geoff.
        Interest rates will not stay at the level they are now, it is inevitable they will rise at some stage.
        
        There is so much money floating around housing, with subsidy payments, just look at the WINZ site to see the list.
        
        The mortgage period would need to extend out longer than 30 years, so a lower deposit rate would help.
        
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        January 22, 2021 3:13pm
    - kowtow
      
      As long as we have a growing unemployable underclass who refuse to embrace education , financial and moral independence , take drugs and refuse to work ,we’re going to need more and more gubmint to an infinite degree .
      
      This is not something that building houses will fix .
      
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      January 22, 2021 10:35am
    - Durden
      
      Ever bothered to verify how many projects were already started by National and on the go when the CoL took over ?
      
      How many of them were simply refurbishments. How many of them are just plans.
      
      Labour is as usual spinning the progress.
      
      Feel free to have a look.
      
      https://kaingaora.govt.nz/developments-and-programmes/what-were-building/small-to-medium-scale-developments//developments?city=All&status=Completed
      
      https://kaingaora.govt.nz/developments-and-programmes/what-were-building/large-scale-projects/
      
      https://kaingaora.govt.nz/developments-and-programmes/what-were-building/regional-housing/
      
      https://kaingaora.govt.nz/developments-and-programmes/what-were-building/spring-hill-and-rolleston-refurbishment-programme/
      
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      January 22, 2021 12:53pm
- Nickc2
  
  What happened to all the money given/allocated to Twyford to build all the houses that never eventuated? Was that money returned/reallocated or spent on other stuff? My guess is that Twyford wasted it all on hair-brained schemes and ran out of money. What a waste of space he is/was. What is he fucking up these days?
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:02am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    What is Twyford fucking up?
    
    Anything he turns his hand to.
    
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    January 22, 2021 1:14pm
Nukuleka

The world can now breathe a collective sigh of relief. Royal assent has now been bestowed by the elite upon the Biden presidency. Not only the royalty of the USA in attendance at the inauguration- the Clintons, the Obamas and the Bushes, both Democrat and Republican elites joining together at the restoration of their collective and corporate control of the White House- but also Prince Harry in attendance. All will be well with the world.

Not…
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January 22, 2021 8:11am
- cmm
  
  The Swamp is happy again.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:02am
  - lilman
    
    Stuff where are you?
    
    Biden passes a law making it manditory to where masks on Govt sites, turns up less then 2 hours with Family and no masks anywhere?
    
    Imagine if Trump had done that.
    You hypocritical bastards.
    
    I shall go to head office on my days of and converse with these losers,wont do much but atleast I will have my say.
    
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    January 22, 2021 12:27pm
- oldfella
  
  Nuku, and the new reign has started with a hiss and a roar. Wow!
  Serial hair sniffer and groper Joe Biden has even announced a zero tolerance policy for disrespecting colleagues in his administration.
  https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1352290983782854656
  So, believe every accusation, and especially believe every woman.
  Does that include the ones who have accused Biden of sexual misconduct and especially Tara Reade who even Kamala believed before Joe paid Harris off with the VP slot?
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:38am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  They’ve been telling me Trump has all the hallmarks of a fascist, then Biden comes along and gets sworn in under military guard with none of his “80 million” vote base in attendance. The cognitive dissonance required to believe that all is well and above board in the US is truly immense.
  
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  January 22, 2021 11:53am
Colville

Credit where it is due.

New passport ordered 9.30 pm Wednesday , standard 10 day service, arrived this morning!
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January 22, 2021 8:13am
- Raphael
  
  THat’s pretty darn good. they obviously don’t have anything to do
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:16am
  - sooty
    
    Over staffed! Sack some.
    
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    January 22, 2021 9:33am
  - MCos
    
    Even before the current setback that were pretty quick as I recall.
    
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    January 22, 2021 9:50am
- Loddenthinks
  
  They’re not exactly rushed off their feet at the minute.
  
  Having said that, the service is generally excellent, and I had similar service the last time I renewed mine, 5 years ago.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:50am
  - alloytoo
    
    And yet citizenship application wait times are slipping outwards from 3-6 months a year ago to 7-12 months now.
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:29am
- NoFax
  
  Those at the passport office must be the most efficient part of the Government. Last time I renewed, just after they went back to 10 years, my passport arrived within 3 days too.
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:56am
Paulus

I see that Shelly Bay in Wellington has now been well and truly occupied.
Doesn’t that sound similar to the land that Taxpayers now own near Auckland Airport ?
What’s yours is mine and what is mine is my own -so!
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January 22, 2021 8:14am
Simon

TDS is hilarious but looks like Biden Admin will even top TDS.

Biden Admin from afar is going to be very entertaining. Clown show on steroids with big tech and msm working so hard to censor the ongoing train wreck.

Woman’s sport on the chopping block on day one already. Keep the laughs coming Joe.
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January 22, 2021 8:14am
- Inandout
  
  Simon, he has 5o independent states to try and soothe, many true Republicans, unlike Mitch’s. Florida is booming without being locked down.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:48am
  - Batman
    
    How is Florida’s death toll and case rate looking?
    
    Heck, they were running a damn lottery for vaccine shots, which is totally insane.
    
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    January 22, 2021 11:10am
    - Inandout
      
      Bat, people are flocking there to live.
      
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      January 22, 2021 1:47pm
- Raphael
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/sun-rises-in-the-east-hailing-glorious-arrival-of-biden-administration/?utm_content=buffer21527&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:05am
New Zealander

2021, the “year of the vaccine.”

If I remember correctly, 2019 was meant to be thia government’s “year of delivery” and we know how that turned out.
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January 22, 2021 8:16am
- Tall Man
  
  My thoughts as well. I need to scroll down not up 🙂
  
  As soon as ardern labels something it fails so fingers crossed, this time will be different 🙁
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  2022,year of the vaccine delivery -maybe
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:55am
  - oldfella
    
    Year of the vaccine delivery… to every country but ours (cos they got there first and we didn’t go hard and early enough with our orders).
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Twyford involved??
      
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      January 22, 2021 11:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/your-wife-claimed-she-was-fine-and-that-nothing-is-wrong-fact-check-false?
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January 22, 2021 8:18am
James Stephenson

One for the classical history fans:

https://www.lotuseaters.com/remember-the-gracchi-21-01-21
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January 22, 2021 8:18am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Just how widespread is the practice of ‘KULU POOJA’ in Mt Roskill?

The NZH investigates….

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1352323674314051593
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January 22, 2021 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  Multiculturalism , we must embrace and celebrate it. It’s so enriching.
  
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  January 22, 2021 8:37am
  - oldfella
    
    Not for the goats!
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:41am
- bartybart
  
  Sounds like Mangere, the high pitched squeals while a bunch of Tongans knifed a pig or piglet
  
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  January 22, 2021 8:38am
- SB2
  
  MP , the sacrifice I understand took place at Clendon Park much further south from Mt Roskill.
  
  I understand close to the location of your family batch!
  
  LOL
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:20am
all true

I don’t get it, in NZ there are a certain culture expectation and if you can’t oblige to it these people should go back to where they came from without if’s and but’s.
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January 22, 2021 8:24am
- kowtow
  
  Not if you “embrace and celebrate” multiculturalism.
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:37am
Rusty

Why did 3News last night describe Kamala Harris as a African/ American woman?

She is a Jamaican/Indian woman. 3News are not the only ones calling Harris a African/American but why cant they get their facts right?
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January 22, 2021 8:34am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The ‘experts’ tell us that as Jamaica was originally populated by Africans that makes her African/American.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:46am
  - MCos
    
    You’re onto it.
    
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    January 22, 2021 9:52am
  - Tall Man
    
    It is drawing a long bow though.
    
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    January 22, 2021 9:52am
  - SGA
    
    Jamaica was originally populated by Africans
    
    If by that you mean that thousands and thousands of African slaves were transported there – yes.
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:09am
  - kowtow
    
    They suit themselves .Agenda.
    
    In the UK being of jamaican heritage she’d be called West Indian .
    
    “In “Reflections of a Jamaican Father,” Donald Harris, an emeritus economics professor at Stanford University, recounts both his childhood in Jamaica and visits he made to the country with his own children. Recalling his family history, he also says that he is the descendant of a “slave owner” — Hamilton Brown, a man born in Ireland who enslaved people in Jamaica and managed plantations there. ”
    
    Harris’ “life experience” is nothing like that of the theme of impoverished Black American slave descendant .
    
    She’s bourgeois, to use the Commie lingo . And that’s why she only satisfies the thicko in crowd , including the Media Pardy . Nothing radical will happen in this new regime.
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      She’s the daughter of intellectual top-notchers.
      
      Her mother was a leading breast-cancer researcher
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shyamala_Gopalan
      
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      January 22, 2021 1:55pm
  - Rusty
    
    Do Jamaicans call themselves Africans or West Indians?
    
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    January 22, 2021 2:10pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      No, they don’t.
      
      Afro-Caribbean, Black Caribbean, Indo-Caribbean are some of the recent terms used to describe some folks from the Antilles.
      
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/news/story/2007/10/071011_afrosaxon.shtml
      
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      January 22, 2021 6:22pm
- Inandout
  
  Rusty, she is like the old Blue Mink song.
  ‘What we need is a great big melting pot
  Big enough to take the world and all it’s got
  And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
  And turn out coffee colored people by the score’
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:53am
  - Rusty
    
    Not a bad song. “When the cats away” did a cover version of that song in the late 80s.
    
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    January 22, 2021 2:08pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Rusty Rusty Rusty, I can tell you’re new to this.
  
  You see, facts don’t matter in the slightest; appearances (or optics as we call them here in the beltway) are the only thing that matter. Kamala (or Mamala as her step-children call her in her textbook blended family) looks like she might have some African blood, and really, that’s the only thing that matters.
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:02am
  - Raphael
    
    I wonder what the men she kept in prison for longer than they should have been so she could have cheap labour called her?
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:35am
    - oldfella
      
      Not on this blog, please, Raphael. We don’t use language like that. Much. 😉
      
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      January 22, 2021 10:43am
  - Rusty
    
    Loddenthinks – I have been on this forum for nearly a year. I’m not new to this. Just making an observation no different to say someone calling Winston Peters a Tongan or Samoan Kiwi when hes not.
    
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    January 22, 2021 2:07pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Harris has no grievance at all with any alleged oppression by whites or ancestral slavery in the US, just as the illegal Mexicans who protest Confederate statues don’t either. As she has no actual grievance in fact, she must be characterised as having one in fantasy. It’s like Obama – he’s not African American in the intended sense, he is merely a Kenyan/White American.
  
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  January 22, 2021 12:08pm
Maggie Pie

Bernie has other places to be after this.

https://twitter.com/Economissive/status/1352150838106472448
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January 22, 2021 8:38am
Greg Ettridge

Nothing like some poor animal being shoved it in the boot of a car, then slitting its throat to bleed out. Has no one ever pointed out that this meat almost always ends up inedible.
But this is not anything to do with producing quality meat, this doesn’t come into pleasing the gods.
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January 22, 2021 8:39am
- alloytoo
  
  Bit like “renewables” and climate change then.
  
  Doesn’t actually produce reliable electricity.
  (hydro excepted)
  
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  January 22, 2021 8:40am
I remember when

In his blog on single sex schools DF makes the comment that there should be a single sex school within 10 kms of 80% all parents.
One wonders how many parents already live within 10 kms of a single sex school but are outside of the school preference area.
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January 22, 2021 8:51am
Simon

NZ covid19 cult somewhat quiet with Cindy on holiday and vaccines being rolled out all around the world.

It’s not a good time right now for the covid cult.
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January 22, 2021 8:56am
- Tall Man
  
  “Year of the vaccine”.
  
  Based on previous labels applied by ardern we should worry.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:24am
- SB2
  
  And with its former leader Trump out of the way it will become easier.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:24am
  - alloytoo
    
    How did Trump make Ardern more or less competent?
    
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    January 22, 2021 7:33pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

In his first day as President, Biden killed 4100 people.

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1352134474859888640
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January 22, 2021 9:03am
- SB2
  
  MW, what is known as the Trump legacy who like many posters here either denied its existence or merely the Sniffles
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:23am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    If Trump Ignored it, why the announcement of “warp speed” vaccine, funding for it and a panel to drive it forward?
    
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    January 22, 2021 11:24am
  - alloytoo
    
    If Trump ignored it, why did he announce travel restrictions month’s before Ardern.
    
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    January 22, 2021 12:35pm
- oldfella
  
  It’s different when the left do it, Maggie.
  I’m sure you’re old enough to know better, and must have been ar0und the block a time or two judging by all the wisdom you impart to the rest of us.
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:47am
I remember when

Greg Ettridge @8.39:
There must have been a lot of inedible meat on farms in earlier times.
Apart from shoving them in the boot that was (and probably largely still is) how home-kill is done.
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January 22, 2021 9:05am
- Tall Man
  
  Neck break, usually before the heart stops pumping, in my day.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:22am
- rockape
  
  I think home kill is kinder. My beefies spend the night in a small pen with plenty of grass and water. The kill is done with a 308 and we sneak up on them so they don’t see it coming. Quick post Mortimer throat slit and we have unstressed meat. Not like being stressed in a cattle truck then lining op with the smell of blood stressing them.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:59am
  - softail 1450
    
    Rockape, having worked on the killing line at Southdown when I was studying the smell and noise of that hell will never leave me , my job right after the sheep was “humanely killed” with a club and bled out, my task was to connect the fleece to a machine that ripped the entire thing off in one swoop, blood everywhere and the noise from the approaching animals that could smell their fate was horrendous .
    
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    January 22, 2021 11:32am
- David Garrett
  
  I remember: I don’t know what home kill guys you use, but mine shoot the animal before slitting its throat…it is literally dead before it hits the ground, let alone has its throat cut,
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:21am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Exactly. When hunting, you shoot the animal first – deer, pig, goat – whatever – then cut it’s throat to bleed out. Then take out its guts, genitals(especially males) and other organs so that the meat is not contaminated.
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:34am
    - Colville
      
      Don.
      
      If I shoot something with the 300 WinMag using a 180 grain Win ballistic tip..from 300 meters or so away…by the time I have walked over there and found the beast … there is nearly no blood left to drain.
      
      Google “free draining wound channel” if you need to know more. But the videos are not for the faint hearted 🙂
      
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      January 22, 2021 3:07pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Correct Colville. Back in my day, I had a Lee Enfield Mk.IV jungle carbine .303. Generally, I stalked within 50 – 100 yards of the target, so only a minute or 2 to get to it. Most times, the heart was still pumping (neck or high shoulder shot) so throat slitting was necessary for full bleeding out.
        Ah, those happy memories – stalking through the bush from dawn till 9 or 10 am. The smell of the bush, the scent of the animal, getting downwind & the stalking – deer are a beautiful & cunning animal. To get a kill was quite a victory. Many times, the deer won.
        In my latter days, I would stalk and photo them – was as much pleasure to get a close photo as it was when hunting for meat. Times changed. 🙂
        
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        January 22, 2021 5:38pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Around here as well, the home kill guys, but the experienced hands themselves just slit, hold and then snap. The times I have seen that the animal appears extremely calm apart from a few post mortem kicks.
    
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    January 22, 2021 12:31pm
    - cmm
      
      That requires skill, good tools and frequent practice.
      
      How many people who do a ritual slaughter once a year have any of those?
      
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      January 22, 2021 2:15pm
      - chukar
        
        Homekillers.
        
        Not going into detail here , but some of you are likely to be charged under the animal welfare act.
        There are now strict protocols in place severe penalties for those who do not abide by them.
        Just saying
        
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        January 22, 2021 6:24pm
Fletch

Update from yesterday. The official White House YouTube channel showing the inauguration.

5.9K “likes”, vs 23K “dislikes”. So, 6000 vs 23,000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5iCPKDp4V4

But Biden is so popular, right? The truth is that Biden’s “popularity” is a mirage projected by the media that bears no resemblance to reality. It’s just not real. But if the media spin an angle that suits their narrative, and Hollywood actors back it up then it must be true, right? All propaganda.
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January 22, 2021 9:25am
- Batman
  
  Snowflake astroturfing babies.
  
  You will have heard about this via conservative circles. And guess who will be doing that downticking?
  
  Pathetic little children who need to grow up.
  
  81 million votes beats 74.2 million.
  
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  January 22, 2021 11:06am
  - Fletch
    
    It’s all to do with the votes in the Electoral College. You know that.
    
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    January 22, 2021 11:11am
    - Batman
      
      Okay then, 306 beats 232.
      
      Your paranoid mind can’t seem to accept that your worldview didn’t turn out to be correct.
      
      That’s the result of soaking in too much of the US conservative media and social media bubble.
      
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      January 22, 2021 11:26am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Time to grow up Batman, and stop insulting those who wanted a Trump victory, but accept a Biden victory, despite how it was won.
        I sincerely hope you might start being a little gracious, instead of your usual snarky insulting put downs.
        As I said, time to grow up.
        
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        January 22, 2021 5:43pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yes and the smugness of the talking heads on TVNZ last night gushing and wetting over the fact that the US of A now had a woman of colour as VPOTUS and a corrupt and senile old man as POTUS who won’t see the first term out really gave me the shits. Our taxes paid for this TV Channel FFS. Such people are there to read the news, not be part of it.
  
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  January 22, 2021 11:20am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    You may not like paying for rubbish but you don’t have to watch it.
    
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    January 22, 2021 11:56am
    - Nickc2
      
      It should come with a warning:
      
      “The following segment has been embellished by our Talking Heads”.
      
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      January 22, 2021 1:54pm
- MCos
  
  I’ll keep it simple for you
  Trump lost
  
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  January 22, 2021 2:44pm
- curry4me
  
  Fletch: That’s fantastic. Free entertainment. For everything else, there is Visa.
  
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  January 22, 2021 7:31pm
Maggie Pie

Joe Biden is about to show America what a great president Donald Trump really was.

Just saying.
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January 22, 2021 9:30am
- sooty
  
  Too true, Maggie Pie.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:37am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  More predicitions from the person who said it was going to happen. Oh dear.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:38am
  - Doc Holliday
    
    Maggie Pie must share a brain with Trump – one half each.
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:03am
    - Don Beckett
      
      If brains were donuts, yours would be the hole in the middle.
      
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      January 22, 2021 7:40pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Wow, so what you’re trying to say is that MP said it was going to happen, and it did. Oh dear.
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:04am
    - RichardX
      
      I believe he may have been referring to this;
      
      Maggie Pie
      Sleepy Joe will never set foot in the White House.
      President Trump knows exactly what he’s doing.
      
      DECEMBER 27, 2020 10:07AM
      
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      January 22, 2021 10:13am
      - Batman
        
        They’re having a very rough week…
        
        “‘It’s Over’: Devastated QAnon Believers Grapple With President Joe Biden’s Inauguration” https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60087eebc5b6efae62fe3d10/amp
        
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        January 22, 2021 11:16am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        It’s creepy how you seem to catalogue other poster’s comments for future use.
        
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        January 22, 2021 12:01pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    “More predicitions from the person who said it was not going to happen. Oh dear.”
    
    Fixed it.
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:20am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Wrong again Brian. 🙂
      
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      January 22, 2021 10:35am
      - oldfella
        
        Brian, don’t you hate having to deal with all the pedants on this blog. 😉
        
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        January 22, 2021 10:48am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    To be fair, looking at Biden’s first day – he spent it reversing mostly good Trump policies that will hurt the US badly.
    
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    January 22, 2021 10:57am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Joe goes nigh nighs in the avo.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:56am
- curry4me
  
  Maggie Pie: Yeah, and hell yeah!
  
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  January 22, 2021 7:32pm
Fletch

Oh the irony. Biden has installed a statue of Cesar Chavez in the White House. Chavez was totally against illegal immigration and called then “wetbacks”. Nobody tell Biden that ?
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January 22, 2021 9:33am
- Mike
  
  I’m pretty sure Biden could have installed no statue (except maybe of Trump or Jesus) that Fletch would approve.
  
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  January 22, 2021 12:43pm
  - backster
    
    First he removed that of Winston Churchill.
    
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    January 22, 2021 2:34pm
rererangihirihiri

I see that mouthy vacuous harridan Cindy has started slagging off Donny Trump.
Too gutless to say anything while he was still driving the bus though wasn’t she. She makes me ill.
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January 22, 2021 9:42am
- The Housekeeper
  
  Well said helicopter
  
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  January 22, 2021 11:57am
Libertarians are right

So Biden has started his “Make America Weak Again” policies with his first Executive Orders:

Rejoin WHO and Paris Agreement which helps China and hurts the US.

Cancel the pipeline, weakening US energy independence and strengthening countries that are actively opposed to the US (like Middle East and Russia).

Bring back regulations again weakening US efficiencies.

Reverse the “Muslim Ban” which is actually a ban on travel from countries that export extremists whilst also being corrupt and having poor record keeping making the US more at risk of terror attacks etc.

Various policies increasing the rights of non-US citizens who enter the country illegally.

So much damage to the US on his first day. Truly awe inspiring!
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January 22, 2021 9:46am
Fletch

Maori want to be prioritized in the Covid vaccine rollout –

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/01/covid-19-m-ori-to-be-prioritised-for-vaccination.html

It all comes down to being guided by the treaty??
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January 22, 2021 9:47am
- Ehlana
  
  I’d have thought we start by vaccinating the vaccinators, then the people most likely to come into contact with the disease first – aircraft & ship crews, airport & port workers, MIQ staff and anyone else whose work exposes them to returnees (like the bus drivers taking them from the airport to quarantine).
  Then move on to those doing the testing, those processing the tests and those who work in the hospitals where treatment will be given.
  The next category should probably be those the lockdowns showed us are actually essential workers – those keeping the shelves stocked and the utilities functioning while the rest of us hide away at home.
  
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  January 22, 2021 11:43am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Thats what common sense dictates.
    However we have propaganda and sound bites that take preference over that.
    
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    January 22, 2021 2:20pm
I remember when

Front Page News: Uganda Presidential Election.
President controls the internet which he shut down on polling day.
Dozens killed during campaigning.
Vote hasn’t gone smoothly – some booths 2 hours late opening and some missing ballots.
Just what we would expect?
Is it systemic racism – this is the 31st ranking nation in the world by population.
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January 22, 2021 9:50am
Maggie Pie

Tell you what will be worth a watch today on Fox – HANNITY.

The promo they had on earlier has him interviewing the computer repair guy that copied the hard-drive from Hunter Biden’s computer.
All sorts of stuff on there by the sound of it. China. Ukraine. Even kiddie porn apparently 🙁

https://twitter.com/dreamweaver5150/status/1352082441788399617
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January 22, 2021 9:52am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, even Dorsey can’t hide this kind of stuff, it will leak out like water from a rotten bucket.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:59am
- Andrei
  
  Lol – this tweet is from a suspended account
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:25am
- Surely Knott
  
  Too late. Link broken. Twitter has cancelled that Account.
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:32am
- The Housekeeper
  
  Maggie, you’ve been suspended. Well done you.
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:49am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, that tweet is from a suspended account.
  I guess Big Brother is still busy taking out (what Jack considers to be) the trash.
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:50am
- graham
  
  Don’t know if this is the tweet you meant to link to, but here’s what I saw:
  
  LMAO. The media is so shameless they’re pretending Jill Biden is a fashion icon after ignoring Melania for four years.
  
  Pfft … it gets even worse than that. There’s several articles calling Bernie Sanders a fashion icon – I kid you not.
  
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  January 22, 2021 11:46am
RW Capitalist

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-new-zealands-intensive-care-unit-capacity-revealed/GYQ2FXOYHJECZAHU2YKHXYFWXI/

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/415774/icu-beds-increase-as-ministry-tries-to-triple-capacity
Contradictory stories?
How many ICU beds do we have and how many are just called ICU because they have a ventilator next to them?
PS I supply parts to a company that makes ICU beds. There has been a slight increase in their EXPORT numbers.
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January 22, 2021 9:54am
- Master Mariner
  
  That was the critical question that needed answered on Day 1 of COVID crisis,
  How soon could we increase and train to to get higher numbers ICU ?
  I think the answer lays in “Hard and Early” Lock down.
  Dont let common sense get in the way of “smoke and Mirrors”
  
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  January 22, 2021 2:24pm
lastmanstanding

I feel guilty. Since 2005 I have posted on KB ranting and raging at Labour/Greens. Last night I sat down and did a quick back of the envelope calc on my and my darling wives net wealth. Since late 2017 it has increased by 40% and no doubt many other KBs have the same or better increases.
By comparison in the 9 years of Nats our net wealth only increased 65%. So we have done 1.8 times better under Labour/Greens than the Nats.

Painful question to self. Should I stop bagging Labour/Greens as they clearly increase our net wealth more than the Nats or should I look at the greater good the Nats do for all and keep bagging them?
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January 22, 2021 9:58am
- rockape
  
  Easy to resolve when you know how much lefties would dearly love to strip you of that wealth and are only waiting for the right “crisis “ to come along.
  Any one else waiting for the COVID rebuild tax?
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:02am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Correlation does not equal causation. Just sayin’…
  
  Keep bagging them, it’s great sport and very easy to find targets.
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:06am
- rangitoto
  
  Yep. Cindy loves the rich getting richer and lots more poor people.
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:19am
  - giltee
    
    Seems like Ja-cinder knows that if she talks the talk, keeps them poor and fails to deliver her sweetheart sheeple will vote for her in droves.
    
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    January 22, 2021 12:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  Net wealth ….. I think you need to adjust for true inflation bearing in mind that the actual value of your home is probably the same as it was in 2017 whereas the earning ability of your dollar has fallen massively.
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:20am
  - Colville
    
    Wot?
    Capital gains on a lot of houses at 20%/yr and inflation running at 3%?
    
    But really net worth should exclude your primary residence.
    
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    January 22, 2021 3:11pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The inflation calcs in NZ exclude housing so are not real.
      
      Your house is worth what it is in relation to others. Unless you are exiting the market the value of your home relative to others usually remains the same so is really a net zero.
      
      Now if you have a number of houses and intend to exit then good for you but even relative returns on rentals has fallen massively since 2017.
      
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      January 22, 2021 9:18pm
- Fletch
  
  Not sure I understand. Your wealth increased 65% under National and only 40% under Labour… Is it to do with the number of years? Or am I just missing some sarcasm? ?
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:39am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    65% over 9 years under Nats but 40% over 3 years under Labour/Greens. CPI has been around 1% to 2% pa over past decade so not significant.
    
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    January 22, 2021 12:58pm
- The Housekeeper
  
  You’re not wrong. I got nervous before the lockdown and pulled a lot of cash out of an investment fund and turned it into assets. Luckily, I had just sold my rentals and built a flash, new house with all the bells and whistles, to see me through my dotage. In the meantime, the investment fund has nearly doubled my remaining investment, tax paid and the value of my two remaining properties continues to climb. As do the values of the assets I bought. It can’t last forever but I’m feeling pretty buffered for now.
  
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  January 22, 2021 11:10am
I remember when

BM: ‘More predictions from the person that said it was going to happen. Oh dear.’
As they have predicted for the last four years.
Or are you are taking about the media and Democratic Party predictions for a second ‘Civil War’ formented by the outgoing President.
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January 22, 2021 10:02am
RW Capitalist

1 day after Bidens inauguration Amazon has offered logistic services for the vaccine delivery.
It’s been out there for a month, where were they a month ago. If they care so much about the American people…or is it political….surely not?
Compare that to the same period after Trumps inauguration…..calls for impeachment
NO NO NO…I’m not suggesting conspiracy, at all.
Just pointing out FACTS.
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January 22, 2021 10:16am
- Batman
  
  Given the Trump administration abdicated responsibility for vaccine distribution, it’s not surprising that Amazon offering help is only getting airtime now that the federal government is actually stepping up to the plate at a high level to assist states.
  
  Cry more etc.
  
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  January 22, 2021 11:14am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Govt offered assistance ….GOP states took it Dem states didn’t
    GOP states have a better record against covid19
    The constitution states that the Fed govt. cannot FORCE any state to do anything.
    
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    January 22, 2021 11:29am
Maggie Pie

‘This Smells Like My Vagina’ candle explodes in living room 😀

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1352026899820802054
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January 22, 2021 10:44am
- oldfella
  
  Hopefully, that’s the only place they explode.
  How easy would it be for some idiot to misread the instructions as ‘My Vagina Candle’?
  
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  January 22, 2021 10:53am
oldfella

If I recall correctly, earlier versions of this Stuffed pitch for $$ didn’t even acknowledge our country’s real name. It does now.

“Here in NEW ZEALAND, it can be easy to take democracy for granted. But our country is not immune to malign influences, misinformation or deception. Having independent news media free to report without fear or favour is vital. Stuff publishes trustworthy, verified journalism that has a positive impact on Aotearoa. Help safeguard independent journalism by supporting us today. ”

Have Stuffed had a change of heart? Have they realised that their heavy handed attempt to beat us into submission with a Te Reo shaped club might be counter productive? I hope so.
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January 22, 2021 10:54am
Jack5

A peek over the Telegraph paywall:

A pessimistic take on the United States by Alister Heath in the Telegraph asks if America’s decline is now unstoppable.

Snippets:

The old, quintessentially American “yeoman middle class” of blue and white collar property owners and believers in the American dream is being hollowed out, as Joel Kotkin warns in The Coming of Neo-Feudalism. Surging property and health care costs have squeezed living standards. As a recent article in the Atlantic put it, in the Nineties The Simpsons felt realistic; today, their quality of life is beyond the reach of much of Middle America.

AND

Paradoxically, despite the staggering success of Californian tech firms, the start-up culture is dying, and moving out of the US. Fewer Americans work for younger companies, and more and more work in larger firms. The share of companies aged 11 or older has shot up. The answer is not higher taxes or more regulations, yet that is exactly what Biden’s team is proposing. Capitalism needs to be rebooted, not throttled further, and economic and productivity growth bolstered, and yet the new administration is promising policies that will reduce incentives while fuelling the asset and debt bubble.

Foreign news is increasingly slanted to the Left on NZ’s State TV, State radio and the State-subsidised remnants of the print media. Subscriptions to overseas Right-leaning news services become more attractive.
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January 22, 2021 11:00am
Aunty

I see that Seychelles, that international hotspot of Covid that is slowly been crushed under the burden of heavy disease, as at 20 January had vaccinated 14% of its population. And quite rightly too, being as it is a major world center for trade, investment, and international travel…………..

Meanwhile, in New Zealand who is at the head of the queue………….oh never mind, why even bother!

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/seychelles-covid-vaccine-tourist-quarantine-b1789301.html
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January 22, 2021 11:04am
- Tall Man
  
  Ah go hug yourself ……. 😉
  
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  January 22, 2021 12:28pm
I remember when

Grainne Moss resigns from OT.
Will there be instant improvement?
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January 22, 2021 11:19am
- oldfella
  
  IRW, yes, an instant improvement because the new boss will be Tangata Whenua. Instant fix, right there.
  No whiteys need apply
  
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  January 22, 2021 11:34am
- krazykiwi
  
  I have worked directly with Grainne. She is intelligent, capable, personable, and a strong leader. None of those are relevant though, because she has the wrong skin colour. She’ll spend the next few months removing knives from her back. Shameful apartheid.
  
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  January 22, 2021 12:57pm
  - The Housekeeper
    
    Hope she’s secured an eye-watering payout. No-one will want their dirty linen aired in a constructive dismissal claim.
    
    Always on a hiding to nowhere, Grainne’s biggest mistake was her arrogance, that she could fly in and fix all the broken families while the P epidemic rages on unabated. She seems to have missed obvious cues that her tenure would not be straightforward ie that Maori would not take kindly to a foreigner calling them out and making the necessary, tough calls for their families when they refuse to, that the govt had shown no appetite to deal with P, that as a foreign, white, wealthy woman who got above her station, her head would be first on the chopping block.
    
    The call by Maoridom to be allowed to deal with their own family fuckups is not without merit. If it works, we all win, if not, others can’t be blamed. My hope would be that all these Maori agencies kicked in BEFORE the family got to Oranga Tamariki. Is it easier to point the finger and bury your heads in the sand than to do something about it? Once were warriors, what a crock.
    
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    January 22, 2021 2:09pm
oldfella

Question: Does the Treaty carry an obligation to support Maori knowledge, culture, and approaches to learning? It does according to this.
And what other subjects will be ‘downgraded’ to allow time for this new initiative.
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More than 30 secondary schools and kura kaupapa Māori across the country will be introducing a Māori Performing Arts subject called Te Ao Haka (The World of Haka), available for NCEA at all levels.
It was announced this week at Wellington’s Pipitea Marae, and a workshop for participating kaiako/teachers has now taken place over a three-day period.
“This is a significant step in our efforts to ensure Māori knowledge, culture and approaches to learning are valued, recognised and supported in accordance with the Government’s obligations under the Treaty of Waitangi.” Ellen MacGregor-Reid, the Deputy Secretary, Early Learning and Student Achievement, said in a statement.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/secondary-schools-set-to-include-kapa-haka-as-part-of-ncea-curriculum/4GEOHRVUOHLM5F6V2HGS6AHG2U/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR297zFaIMKqOq2oXqWZVSYohqEPhnKg7HPFaJvKBkNMVLIKPDHiaKRXbDM#Echobox=1611249218
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January 22, 2021 11:20am
- giltee
  
  This bullshit and misinterpretation of the treaty has to stop. It’s a very simple document
  
  Article 1, the chiefs ceded sovereignty to Queen Victoria. Article 2 confirmed that chiefs, tribes and the people of New Zealand owned what they owned although chiefs could sell what they wanted to an agent of the Queen if they so wished. Article 3 promised the Maori people of New Zealand protection and the rights of British subjects.
  
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  January 22, 2021 1:04pm
  - cmm
    
    Quite.
    
    Maori were to be treated like Brits and afforded the opportunity to become Brits.
    
    Nothing in there about Brits having to become Maoris.
    
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    January 22, 2021 2:08pm
- Jack5
  
  Treaty obligations conflict with, even negate, each other.
  
  How can you make people economically equal while diverting their education into an indigenous culture unrelated to the world’s business, trade, science, academia, and popular culture?
  
  First it’s basic language, dance, and chants. More will follow. Indigenous “knowledge” and oral myths will be switched for science and history.
  
  You add something to the curriculum, something else has to come out, and core subjects such as mathematics and English must suffer.
  
  Contrast NZ with Taiwan, already with a “tiger” economy, but increasing English in its curriculum and aiming to make the republic fully bilingual in English and Chinese.
  
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  January 22, 2021 1:16pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “a Māori Performing Arts subject called Te Ao Haka (The World of Haka), available for NCEA at all levels.”
  
  And the students who “study” this and other similar things instead of Maths, English and Physics will be condemned to a life of under-achievement. No I am not being racist – it is a fact.
  
  In a sane education system, there would be no subject called a Māori Performing Arts subject called Te Ao Haka. It would be an extra curricular activity paid for by parents like ballet and piano lessons.
  
  Surely to god there are some advisors working for the Government that can speak up about the utter stupidity of this.
  
  Here is an idea: Form a ‘working group’. Send them to Taiwan. Taiwan also has a ‘Ministry of Education’. However its shared (English) name with its New Zealand counterpart is all that these two organisations have in common.
  
  https://english.moe.gov.tw/mp-1.html
  
  Purpose of working group – ask Taiwan officials “How do you do what you do?”. Listen. Report back. Do those things.
  
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  January 22, 2021 4:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Covid bullshit from the fact checkers and media. The World is being played. It is all about money. In the US the hospitals get around US$14K per death from the Govt. Death from Covid it jumps to around US$30K.
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/false-claim-shared-by-president-trump-that-only-6-of-cdc-reported-deaths-are-from-covid-19-is-based-on-flawed-reasoning/?
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January 22, 2021 11:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Google debunk this of coarse. Other searches say it is censored
  
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  January 22, 2021 11:58am
  - backster
    
    I recall a report from one of the States that one person who died of covid had three bullets in his chest.
    
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    January 22, 2021 3:29pm
Maggie Pie

I thought this was worth sharing with the group.
One of the girls from tennis was telling us, if you touch a clove of garlic with your feet, you will taste garlic in your mouth for the rest of the day.
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January 22, 2021 11:49am
- IC5000
  
  I love it Maggie, that old trick of having stupid friends to make yourself look smart without actually having to be intelligent. Sounds like its working out for you.
  
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  January 22, 2021 12:25pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Let me tell you one thing about Sam – she has her own Bentley convertible, so certainly not stupid.
    
    But don’t let me hold you up IC……I’m sure you’ve got a bus to catch. LOL!!
    
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    January 22, 2021 1:45pm
    - IC5000
      
      Of course Maggie, if someone writes it on the internet it must be true. It’s a mystery to me why someone would waste the energy to make shit up to impress a skinny homo. Maybe it’s a cry for validation.
      
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      January 22, 2021 2:47pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Uptick from me on that one IC. But hey, what’s with your obsession? The only time you ever comment here is on my OP’s. You sound like a really sad and lonely individual 🙁
        
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        January 22, 2021 3:28pm
      - IC5000
        
        > But hey, what’s with your obsession?
        
        I’m a GILF chaser now. Is that such a crime?
        
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        January 22, 2021 4:03pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Sorry for the delay in getting back to you IC – we’ve only just finished our Thai takeaways.
        
        Goodness, you really are a sick puppy 🙁
        
        Far be it from me to dispense medical advice over the net, but it’s obvious you need to seek some sort of professional help. Or maybe you have some close family members you could approach? What about the parents of those nieces you speak about?
        
        Either way, if it makes you feel better, by all means continue with your vile outbursts (mods permitting), and I promise not to wind you up any further with a response.
        
        All the very best…..and take care out there. M
        
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        January 22, 2021 7:50pm
      - IC5000
        
        Thats a rather nasty outburst Maggie. So you are not content with homophobic slurs you need to indulge in agism as well. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the elderly having sex and despite your shame and promotes longevity. I think you need to take a good look in the mirror and see past all those wrinkles and ask yourself ‘am I truely a good person?’
        
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        January 22, 2021 8:26pm
- Tall Man
  
  Time to stop hanging about with people who bite their toenails Maggie.
  
  Now if your partner rubs their feet with garlic and ………. Well that’s a different kettle of fish entirely 🙂
  
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  January 22, 2021 12:25pm
Juliet2554

10 million Americans watched Biden’s inauguration yesterday. VS 50 million for Trump 4 years ago.
So strange as Biden is the most popular president ever. What an inspiration….
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January 22, 2021 11:57am
oldfella

Apparently, the Left-Honorable Jacinda Ardern has cancelled all public engagements for the foreseeable future. She says posing for the German Magazine cover (story below) proved more traumatic than expected, especially the extensive air-brushing and advanced digital facial reconstruction she was forced to undergo.
Ms Ardern says that although the digital stitches have now been removed, until her jaw expands to its normal size and shape, her only sustenance will be fish soup, served to her by her partner via a bio-degradable straw.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/124013117/german-magazine-names-jacinda-ardern-the-best-politician-in-the-world
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January 22, 2021 12:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pass the bucket
  
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  January 22, 2021 2:15pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Did the German magazine ask her about:
  
  Child poverty?
  Housing?
  Our crashing education system?
  
  No, of course not. How can you be “the best politician in the world and preside over a society with entrenched serious problems that are (a) getting worse and (b) about which you have no idea how to fix them.
  
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  January 22, 2021 4:31pm
Juliet2554

yesterday one hour after the inauguration, WHO casually amended the recommended cycles for covid testing down quietly on their website. The conspiracy theorists have been saying for months that the high cycles are the reason for the mass false positives. Conspiracy Theorists right again!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/right-cue-biden-who-admits-high-cycle-pcr-tests-produce-massive-covid-false-positives
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January 22, 2021 12:03pm
Nickc2

ANTIFA turn on Biden and the Democrats on their inauguration day! Who would have picked this? No worries, it can’t be true because it’s not reported in our MSM. //
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/01/antifa-types-smash-oregon-democrat-headquarters-we-dont-want-biden-we-want-revenge.html
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January 22, 2021 12:11pm
- Nickc2
  
  The Herald are now reporting it. Must be true.
  
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  January 22, 2021 2:44pm
- curry4me
  
  Nick2: Couldn’t happen to a nicer *president.
  
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  January 22, 2021 7:45pm
Maggie Pie

Shaun Plunkett opens Magik show adopting fictional persona of creepy Indian Uber Driver, after first caller ‘Katrina’ tells him of her recent experience in cab.

Sounded sooo real 😛
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January 22, 2021 12:38pm
- kowtow
  
  Plunkett’s a plonker.
  
  His racism is OK , but when a caller calls in with a ‘racism’ Plonker don’t like he cuts em off , swears and acts all woke and high and mighty .
  
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  January 22, 2021 1:30pm
oldfella

A Polish govt minister explains why Poland is getting tough on Big Tech.
I hope Cindy is taking note.
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“In Poland, we have watched with alarm as a consortium of ever more powerful, monopolistic Big Tech companies have done what was once unthinkable: de-platforming a sitting U.S. president. For us, this example—which has alarmed presidents and prime ministers across Europe and, indeed, the world—is merely the straw that broke the camel’s back. The debate about who and what social media companies should be able to ban is now firmly in the public eye.”
https://www.newsweek.com/why-i-decided-regulate-big-tech-poland-opinion-1562819
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January 22, 2021 12:39pm
krazykiwi

More madness from the UK. Ministers are considering paying £500 to anyone who tests positive for SARS-CoV-2 under a plan that would cost almost £2,000,000,000 per month.
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January 22, 2021 12:52pm
- Nickc2
  
  Why pay it to those who are probably going to die? Perhaps the Govt. knows they will get it all back in Death Duties.
  A scheme that is likely to come to Lil-Olde-NZ under Cindy’s rein.
  
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  January 22, 2021 12:58pm
- kowtow
  
  I wonder if those Commie lab technicians put something into the bug to make western politicians go nuts , loose all sense and destroy their own economies……
  
  Xiden’s another example.
  
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  January 22, 2021 1:32pm
- cmm
  
  Sweet. It brings a whole new meaning to chickenpox parties.
  
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  January 22, 2021 2:05pm
oldfella

Go, Joe. What a smart guy. He said he’d be guided by the science, and he will, unless it gets in the way of his woke policies.
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On day 1, Biden has unilaterally eviscerates women’s sports. Any educational institution that receives federal funding must admit biologically-male athletes to women’s teams, women’s scholarships, etc. A new glass ceiling was just placed over girls.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/01/bidens-transgender-executive-order-could-doom-womens-sports/
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January 22, 2021 12:52pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  To paraphrase a US Major in vietnam “‘It became necessary to destroy the ~~town~~ civilisation to save it”
  
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  January 22, 2021 1:56pm
Fletch

Rules are only for the public, not those in charge…

Biden and members of his family appeared at the Lincoln Memorial Wednesday evening without masks, despite the president signing a mask mandate for federal property earlier in the afternoon. On Thursday, Biden also spoke and signed executive orders at the White House without wearing a mask.

[White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki] was questioned about Biden’s apparent hypocrisy on masks by Fox News reporter Peter Doocy, but it appeared that she did not have a prepared answer.

“I think he was celebrating in the evening of a historic day in our country and certainly he signed the mask mandate because it’s a way to send a message to the American public about the importance of wearing masks,” Psaki said.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/01/21/jen-psaki-defends-joe-biden-not-wearing-mask-on-federal-land-despite-signing-mandate/
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January 22, 2021 12:58pm
WaveyDavey

I see the anti OT mob got their scalp

Maybe just have two agencies… Maori for Maori and the other for the vast majority that don’t starve, beat, torture and kill their kids

It’ll never happen of course. Who would they have to blame?
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January 22, 2021 1:10pm
- rockape
  
  So with this as a precedent is it now ok to put on a job advert “ whites only need apply”
  
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  January 22, 2021 3:56pm
Nickc2

Biden’s mob goes off half-cocked. Who would have guessed? It appears he is believing US MSM lies and deliberate misinformation about Trump’s achievements.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9173645/Joe-Biden-summons-national-scale-war-time-effort-beat-coronavirus.html
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January 22, 2021 1:11pm
Fletch

It’s only been a day and already Biden has set events in motion to drag the whole economy of America down – oil and gas ban, cancelling the XL pipeline, etc etc…

Only going to get worse.

I’d like to see a daily post by DPF on the bad things President Biden is doing…. 😛
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January 22, 2021 1:11pm
- MCos
  
  He won’t need to.
  I’m sure you’ll keep us well informed.
  
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  January 22, 2021 2:11pm
Kevin Herlihy

When Trump ducked out the back door he showed the World what he really is, a wimp, a man who lacks conviction , a man incapable of demonstrating goodwill.He left behind a country in ruin, bitterly divided, and K400 dead.
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January 22, 2021 2:20pm
- Fletch
  
  WRONG. Any other man would have wilted under the constant attack by the media and the Democrats 100% of the time. They just couldn’t stand him and came up with scheme after scheme to attack him – phony impeachments (two now), Russia collusion investigation which took 3 years and showed nothing, etc. The spies implanted by Obama in Trump’s campaign, the phony dossier paid for by Hillary and the DNC in concert with the Russians (there’s your collusion), the lying to obtain FISA warrants, the framing of Flynn by Obama and Biden when they knew he was innocent.
  
  And as for the media – every day it was some new criticism. Taking words out of context about bleach, the infamous “good people” lie, the “cages” at the border that Obama already had in place, the firing of Comey. It just went on day after day.
  
  No wonder people have a bad opinion of Trump. All of it based on media lies. As I said, any other person would have lost their mind and folded.
  
  https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/01/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/
  
  How would you feel if every day you were attacked, not just on social media, but by the mainstream media? And the Democrats. And then were cheated out of your job in plain sight?
  
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  January 22, 2021 3:28pm
  - Batman
    
    Your god king is a giant whiny child who literally caused a riot because his narcissism doesn’t allow him to accept that he lost.
    
    Move along.
    
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    January 22, 2021 4:05pm
    - Fletch
      
      Except that he didn’t cause a riot. Nobody can point to that. It was preplanned days in advance. Even CNN and the Washington Post admit that. It was nothing Trump said or did. But, you know that.
      
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      January 22, 2021 4:43pm
    - Mike
      
      Trump will never stop whining, and neither will Fletch.
      
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      January 22, 2021 4:45pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You like that whiny word eh Batman?
      
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      January 22, 2021 5:15pm
- Muzza M
  
  Could not disagree with you more. This is TDS bullshit. I bet you think that Jacinda’s shit doesn’t stink either.
  
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  January 22, 2021 9:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Liz Wheeler calling out AOC and the media on the cancel culture. It is for your own good my left tit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY94k3iIC2o
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January 22, 2021 2:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I think we are starting to see a power struggle within the elite groups running NZ/Aotearoa currently.

The Maori Labour caucus has scored a hit over the Union-folk by getting control of OT…. even tho’ the Chief Executive they took out had championed pay equity for social workers and aged-care workers.
Ultimately Davis and Maori Labour have caved in to the pressure being applied from the Maori Party.

The no hui at Ratana this year for Labour is also because the Maori Party insiders are impatient at Labour’s actions in advancing Maori causes.

How long Jacinda will be able to steer a course between the factions in and around her leadership will be interesting to see.
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January 22, 2021 2:25pm
- Tall Man
  
  What will be the cost to New Zealand from all this racist activity?
  
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  January 22, 2021 5:14pm
- The Housekeeper
  
  I think you’re on the money Maggy. The Maori party have said they want to be able to point to actual achievements at the next election even though they have no real power in parliament. They have nothing to lose and have positioned themselves as peacemakers for any thorny Maori issues Labour doesn’t want to touch, as in Waikeria. It’s not silly. It makes them Labour’s default Maori advisors and Labour keep their hands clean. If the Maori Party want more leverage they’d be crazy not to court National in the same way.
  
  What will be interesting is how inclusive of all their apologists Maori will be when they’re finally calling all the shots.
  
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  January 22, 2021 6:27pm
cmm

Oh Geez, doubling down on stupidity.

The people who are dangerous with guns are gang members using illegally owned and illegally modified guns.

How many of them every sell their guns to the state when they already have access to the blackmarket to sell anything they want to get rid of – for a far higher price.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/124028255/government-set-to-roll-out-fresh-firearms-buyback-scheme
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January 22, 2021 2:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some sold shotgun barrels to the state. That means at least 87 sawn off shotguns out there.
  But they handed them in too //
  
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  January 22, 2021 2:59pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING

Finally some good news. GOP Congresswoman Marj Taylor Greene has just filed ‘Articles of Impeachment’ against Prez Joe Biden.

More soon…..
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January 22, 2021 2:30pm
- Nickc2
  
  Great, bring it on!
  The trouble is though, Kommie Kamala will take his place. Which of the two evils is preferred?
  
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  January 22, 2021 2:40pm
- SB2
  
  MP,
  
  “Twitter suspends GOP Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene
  Greene, who has supported President Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the election, tweeted a slew of false claims about election fraud.”
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/twitter-temporarily-suspends-gop-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-n1254557
  
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  January 22, 2021 4:16pm
  - SB2
    
    Also a Qanon believer with a background as a stunt actor.
    
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    January 22, 2021 4:28pm
    - Stu2
      
      Great to see such quality in the US political ranks
      
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      January 22, 2021 5:23pm
  - Mrs_Right
    
    Lets be honest, you have no clue
    whether there was election fraud or not.
    
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    January 22, 2021 7:47pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  QAnon nutcase.
  
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  January 22, 2021 6:12pm
Jack5

Latest victims of Cancel Culture: the three wise monkeys.

The “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” figures have been cancelled from being used as syymbols at an art history conference at the University of York.

Academics decided the monkeys are an oppressive racial stereotype.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9174537/University-York-academics-cancel-three-wise-monkeys.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9174537/University-York-academics-cancel-three-wise-monkeys.html
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January 22, 2021 3:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  American leftists are fucked – all leftists are fucked. Don’t like something? have it banned or removed. For fucks sake, where is the World heading???
  
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  January 22, 2021 3:29pm
  - Tall Man
    
    They’ll run out of shit to ban eventually then they’ll turn on themselves.
    
    https://www.facebook.com/bbccomedy/videos/10155552204996778
    
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    January 22, 2021 5:04pm
- kowtow
  
  Beyond satire.
  
  If the academics see the 3 monkeys as racist , then I’d suggest it’s the academics who are the racists .
  
  You can’t make this shit up .
  
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  January 22, 2021 5:40pm
Swifty

Young Winston:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tasz8j_efvU
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January 22, 2021 3:28pm
- Tall Man
  
  He didn’t look very Italian to me 😉
  
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  January 22, 2021 5:00pm
Fletch

Someone in Biden’s earpiece tells him to salute the marines (on approaching a door they are standing outside). Biden instead says “salute the marines” out loud – doesn’t salute them… ?‍♂️

https://twitter.com/ElElephantes/status/1352338002752638976
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January 22, 2021 3:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This could be what it is like to doing drugs, when you don’t do drugs.
  
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  January 22, 2021 4:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Druggies get first replies ……..
    
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    January 22, 2021 4:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The ‘Bee’ is meant to be satire, but maybe not in this case:
https://babylonbee.com/news/being-outraged-by-stupid-nonsense-replaces-baseball-as-national-pastime?
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January 22, 2021 3:44pm
- oldfella
  
  Steve, I think in this country, stupid nonsense gives even rugby a run for its money.
  Hey, we could run a world tournament to replace the Tokyo Olympics which would have been way too slow anyway.
  Okay, all together, ‘We are the champions…’
  
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  January 22, 2021 4:30pm
Maggie Pie

Laura Ingraham reports….

ONE of the presidential decrees dopey ol’ Joe signed on his first day in office, was to put a halt to all criminal deportations for the next ‘100 days’.

This has handed a ‘free-pass’ to all the convicted felons currently awaiting removal from the US, thousands of which are murderers, child molesters, rapists, sexual deviants, MS13 gang members….you name it.

Does anyone think that he EVEN KNEW what he had put in front of him to sign?
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January 22, 2021 4:34pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Laura Ingraham?
  
  Would show you a crematorium in Auschwitz and tell you it was a log burner — and you’d believe her.
  
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  January 22, 2021 6:07pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Struggling with contrary opinions are you?
    
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    January 22, 2021 9:31pm
    - SB2
      
      Well at least Laura ddn’t have to struggle with reality bluntly informing Trump and his supporters, ” It’s over”
      
      https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/laura-ingraham-fox-news-says-biden-won-trump-lost
      
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      January 22, 2021 10:36pm
Fletch

After Biden had no more use for the military guarding his inauguration, they were kicked to a freezing parking garage with no heating and slept on the floor…

“For the last week my battalion has been sleeping on the floor in the Senate cafeteria. Today the Senate kicked us out & moved us to a cold parking garage.
5000 soldiers.
1 power outlet.
One bathroom.
This is how Joe Biden’s America treats solders.”

—

“Yesterday dozens of senators and congressman walked down our lines taking photos, shaking our hands and thanking us for our service. Within 24 hours they had no further use for us and banished us to the corner of a parking garage. We feel incredibly betrayed.”

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1352411922390515714

You think Trump would have treated them like that? It was even reported by the left-wing Politico.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/national-guard-troops-vacate-capitol-461220
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January 22, 2021 4:49pm
- Mike
  
  Well of course Trump wouldn’t expect the poor darlings to camp out like…soldiers. Trumpy would have put then in one of his glittery hotels and charged the government a few million dollars.
  
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  January 22, 2021 7:10pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  No, he would have called them suckers and losers.
  
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  January 22, 2021 8:23pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yet another media lie.
    
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    January 23, 2021 1:53am
RW Capitalist

Within 6 hrs of his swearing in
Biden kills the Keystone pipeline
11000 jobs gone….every 6 hrs?
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January 22, 2021 4:51pm
Maggie Pie

ATTENTION:

Earlier today I posted a twit link in my post concerning what had been discovered on Hinter Biden’s hard-drive. Unfortunately, it appears within a few minutes of my posting, Twitter suspended the account.

It contained a screenshot of a newspaper headline, detailing content of Child pornography – described by FOX’s Sean Hannity, as some of the most shocking he had ever heard of.

Whilst unable to repost the original information, this just in from one of my many twitter bezzies….

https://twitter.com/themodalice/status/1352441462634409985
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January 22, 2021 5:07pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  FOX’s Sean Hannity?
  
  You wouldn’t recognise bullshit if the bull stood on your foot.
  
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  January 22, 2021 6:00pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hey = What’s with all this ‘Doc Holliday’ shit, Cowboy?
    
    Doc must be turning in his grave!
    
    Everyone here knows you’re Jack Twist.
    
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    January 22, 2021 7:27pm
Jack5

Everything’s hunky-dory in multiculturism, or so Meng Foon and the Corbynites at the Human Rorts Commission reckon.

But things aren’t so sweet for many Hindu and Sikh wives in Australia:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-19/terrifying-last-moments-hindu-sikh-domestic-violence/9257808?nw=0
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January 22, 2021 5:09pm
Biscuit

Dopey Moi posted this under YESTERDAY’S General Debate.

Doh, eh?

NOT the sort of thinking you want with a day at the Wellington Cup races ahead tomorrow!

Let’s try again:

Who’d ever have thunk, eh?

Just home…

I have now played more golf games than the U.S. President has played in his entire term…
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January 22, 2021 5:27pm
Jack5

Winston Churchill’s bust has gone from the President’s Oval Office again.

Obama removed it. Trump restored it. Biden has removed it.

Some of Biden’s new busts and paintings won’t please the Cancel Culture mob.

A prominently displayed painting depicts Benjamin Franklin, who was a slave owner, as was George Washington (also represented by a painting).

There’s a bust of President Truman, who was openly prejudiced against Jews and Asian Americans, as well as black Americans.

President Biden’s Oval office heroes:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55750527

AND

Truman and non-whites:

https://nypost.com/2003/07/31/the-best-kind-of-bigot-harry-truman-and-his-hatreds/
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January 22, 2021 5:28pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack, the Dem Party is the home of racism, even noting Joe’s outburst ‘if you don’t vote Democrat you ain’t black’. But then Joe does things differently.
  
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  January 22, 2021 6:09pm
curry4me

https://rumble.com/vd5903-uprising-in-gop-rinos-getting-purged-as-patriot-party-begins-to-rise.html
Uprising in GOP! RINOs Getting Purged as Patriot Party Begins to Rise!

The GOP is not first in the affection of a lot of patriots post-election. Especially after
Liz Cheney, and Mitch have disgraced themselves. Ditto for those who voted to impeach Trump. Mitch was censured in Tennessee. So was Liz Cheney in Wyoming.
There are 115 Republicans wanting her removed as chair of the Republican Conference. There will be a primary in Wyoming. It’s a civil war between nationalist-populists, and globalists. There is a Patriot Party group on Gab
https://gab.com/groups/21297
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January 23, 2021 12:07pm
curry4me

https://rumble.com/vcz49p-maga-is-the-mtv-shock-radio-or-punk-rock-of-the-2020s.html

MAGA is the MTV, Shock Radio, or Punk Rock of the 2020s.

Instead of annoying ones parents like in the late 70s; it annoys the swamp.
What’s not to like?
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