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Two more firearms incidents yesterday to keep New Zealand’s average above one per day for 2021. And not a white supremacist in sight. Just the same gangs that that have intimidated, terrorised, raped & murdered for 50 years.

This government is quickly losing control of law and order. Allowing prisoners to riot and having guns pulled on police is just the start.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/armed-offender-fires-shots-at-police-from-stolen-vehicle-before-crashing-in-dramatic-police-incident-in-feilding/YGPYY66JZTITZMCVWWBRM2IIUE/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-shooting-man-arrives-at-mt-wellington-medical-centre-with-gunshot-wound/BMXYHPIWZWMTAMH4OVOTY2MGYI/
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January 5, 2021 8:04am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Making law abiding folk surrender certain weapons was ineffective and horrendously expensive policy. In other words business as usual for the current government.
  
  Surely the focus needs to be on screening the people who have firearms. And as the recent Royal Commission found, the firearms licensing system is a shambles. IIRC about 98.5 percent of applicants are granted their licence. That seems totally wrong.
  
  As for the gangs, I know combating them is a challenge, but surely more can be done. For a start the government could admit they are a blight on New Zealand and direct the police to make dealing with gangs their number one priority.
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:31am
  - artemisia
    
    National had a tough on gangs policy. Doubt it has evaporated.
    
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    January 5, 2021 9:53am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Well it is not working.
      
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      January 5, 2021 10:03am
      - redflagged
        
        Maybe because the police and Labour pander to them.
        
        Just look at gang hui’s during lockdown. Ridiculous.
        
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        January 5, 2021 11:06am
    - fernglas
      
      Labour has real trouble doing anything about the ethnic gangs because of its reliance on the Maori vote. Gangs are now an integral part of Maori society.
      
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      January 5, 2021 10:27am
      - Inandout
        
        fern, and spoken Maori is an integral part of our news services, government ads, bank and real estate ads, you name it. There must be votes somewhere there.
        
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        January 5, 2021 11:10am
      - Lance
        
        I was in cafe having breakfast a few months back and mentioned an article (in quiet conversation) to my wife that gangs were seeking official recognition from the govt and I commented I thought that was silly as gangs aren’t the answer since they only bring suffering and misery.
        Bloody hell, a well dressed (not obviously Maori) chap stood up and had a raised voice rant at us that because of oppressive slavery brought on by colonialism that gangs were a legitimate response to the deep seated oppressions Maori faced.
        He went on and on.
        I never even mentioned race and my volume was quiet cafe style.
        Fuck me, no wonder there is a shit show brewing out there with attitudes like this.
        
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        January 5, 2021 11:41am
      - Ruahine
        
        Gang are also an integral part of the Labour Gov’t and the Labour Party now.
        
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        January 5, 2021 1:18pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Lance – plenty of middle-aged Caucasian professionals adopting that attitude out there.
        
        I think many of them believe it adds an educated, superior, ‘edgy’ air to their own magnificence and is a bit of a diversion from talking about the usual European skiing holiday…
        
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        January 5, 2021 1:44pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        P.S. Lance, the well dressed person didn’t look like a ‘finance’ type who might have made some money out of Bitcoin?
        
        If it’s the guy I’m thinking of, he’s solved Third World poverty and rescued Julian Assange as well…
        
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        January 5, 2021 2:10pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Did they? They should be all banned. And no cops with tats either.
      
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      January 5, 2021 11:18am
      - igm
        
        No tats, no facial hair, no long hair, no shorties, no weirdos, no records, speak English (not pidgin) . . . maybe they could then regain some lost respect.
        
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        January 5, 2021 3:06pm
    - The Boss
      
      Sheeple prefer soft on crime Labour govt. Got what they voted for.
      
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      January 5, 2021 1:29pm
  - redflagged
    
    Governments don’t solve problems, they just subsidise them and badly in most cases, such as this one.
    
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    January 5, 2021 11:04am
Than

The Georgia senate races are both extremely close. Polls have both Democrat candidates up by about 2%, but that’s well within the margin of error. Realistically, both races are toss-ups, too close to call.

But Republicans can take comfort from this simple, fundamental point – they only need to win one out of the two.

Winning either race would give the Republicans 51 seats in the senate, and prevent a Democratic trifecta in government. Obviously winning both would be better (would give them that extra seat buffer against defections on contenious issues) but just one is enough to prevent straight out Democrat control.
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January 5, 2021 8:05am
- iMP
  
  No, winning both, Repubs will get a draw, decided by Kamala Harris with a casting vote.
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:29am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Dems will get the draw by winning both.
    and the way Dems just lockstep in behind their “leaders” making Harris an effective dictator.
    This the danger the USA faces.
    
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    January 5, 2021 9:07am
    - Captain Pugwash
      
      As opposed to Republicans wanting to overturn an election cos their guy didn’t win. Isn’t that what dictators do?
      
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      January 5, 2021 5:14pm
- bruceavon
  
  The votes were pretty close in the first place and all this talk of the system being corrupt is going to put Trumps base off voting. If I was a democrat I would be telling them the votes in Georgia are rigged and they are wasting their time voting. Plus looks like record turnout too, which usually favour Democrats. Trump hasn’t helped, he attacked them the other day for not supporting the electoral vote rejection, which can’t have helped. He is having a rally but will spend the whole time, talking about himself. I think the Democrats will win.
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:36am
  - Jimmy White
    
    I notice that in the last few days the Democrats have shifted from “there’s not any fraud” to “there’s not widespread fraud” to “there wasn’t enough fraud to overturn the election.”
    
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    January 5, 2021 9:29am
    - Inandout
      
      Jimmy, they are having a bob each way for when the proverbial hits the fan next year. This is why I despise career politicians, followed by part time politicians. They would sell their own grandmother.
      
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      January 5, 2021 11:13am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Yeah, but there’s ‘no evidence’ of fraud is there…?
      
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      January 5, 2021 2:23pm
    - Bingo99
      
      I’ve seen this claim several times now.
      
      Do you have an example where the same Democrat speaking about the same specific race (the US presidential election is 50 individual elections) has migrated across those three positions, and in context with what they’re specifically discussing? I bet you don’t.
      
      And I’ve seen all three positions used referring to different races and in different contexts. And they can still be true if taken in context. So one can claim that there isn’t any fraud and then note that the fraud claimed by the opposition, even if it were true, wouldn’t be enough to impact the result anyway.
      
      Meanwhile, aside from errors that were captured and rectified through established auditing/recount processes, I believe the only proven fraud to date is those 3 Republican voters in PA. Go figure!
      
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      January 5, 2021 7:28pm
- tf78
  
  Than, the best is yet to come if the Dems take over “The prayer to open the 117th Congress ended with ‘amen and a-women’.” That’s how woke and ignorant they are.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:23am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    amen = “so be it” in biblical hebrew (and because it comes at the end of a hymn, not a her). What the hell does awomen mean?
    
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    January 5, 2021 1:20pm
    - tf78
      
      UN – it means “woah! man”
      
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      January 5, 2021 6:34pm
  - Jimmy White
    
    The problem with this is amen is derived from the Hebrew āmēn which means “is so” or “so it be.” āmēn translated means “certainty,” “truth,” and “verily.” and has nothing to do with Man or Women.
    Just another example of American Democratic woke ignorance.
    
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    January 5, 2021 2:44pm
cmm

Here in Chch we seem to be doing pretty well at sorting out the gang issue in 2021. One or two down already and two in hospital, one critical. Likely the Mob will take this personally and increase hostilities.

Keep it up boys.
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January 5, 2021 8:06am
- yossarian
  
  Lucky Jacinda took all those firearms off the streets hey?…ops, wait, what?
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Trouble is.. trouble spreads…and jumpy young men don’t always respond well to folks telling them to simmer down.
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:13am
  - cmm
    
    In this case I think it will be the old man fueling the fire rather than telling them to simmer down.
    
    Having his son shot and put in a coma will be taken as a person slight and he’ll likely direct all the Mob’s resources into reclaiming his honour.
    
    Lots of sirens on the week end….
    
    As GG tells us, holidays are over now and no doubt all these productive members of society will be going back to work and won’t have time to fight between doing their 40 hour work week + overtime, being fantastic parents and all the extra time they spend on volunteering in the community.
    
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    January 5, 2021 8:31am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Gangs are a legitimate response and reaction to colonial oppression
      
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      January 5, 2021 2:26pm
      - Doc
        
        Isn’t it odd… Ngapuhi Chiefs spent many years petitioning the British Monarchy to establish their system of government in New Zealand. They penned letters, sent emissaries such as Hongi Hika, and pleaded with the Crown to bring law and order to the perpetual cloud of invasion and conquest that the tribes existed under.
        So many Maori have achieved great success and excelled beyond the wildest imaginations of their whakapapa, thanks largely to the opportunities afforded by colonisation. A small (but growing) noisy minority seem still intent to live under the thuggish brutality that their ancestors railed against.
        
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        January 5, 2021 5:12pm
- NK
  
  I know right. And the police are now armed until tensions reduce. Why? The cops should just leave them alone to kill each other. Hopefully most of them die. The problem with that is????
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:15am
  - cmm
    
    I don’t know why they arm the cops because they never use their weapons.
    
    Shots fired at cops in Fielding and they didn’t return fire. They need to shoot sooner to contain the problem and reduce risk to themselves and the public.
    
    But it seems like the crim’s needs come first.
    
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    January 5, 2021 8:22am
    - JackRabbit
      
      The problem is, that if the cops return fire, and kill someone, there will be mountains of paperwork, and a massive internal investigation. Thousands of hours and millions will be spent.
      
      And if the cops are found to have acted in self defense, and not liable, the media will still have a field day, and the “victim’s” family will probably start a civil case and conduct harassment against said cops.
      
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      January 5, 2021 8:35am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        AND, there will be buckets full of taxpayer funded legal aid to facilitate such harassment.
        
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        January 5, 2021 9:23am
      - Jimmy White
        
        Remove the gun lockers from the Police car boots and fill them with Toilet Paper, Sheets and Towels.
        
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        January 5, 2021 9:32am
      - pdm
        
        As I understand it the Policeman pulling the trigger is immediately stood down (basically suspended) until the investigation is over.
        
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        January 5, 2021 9:39am
      - SB2
        
        Stood down on full pay and or desk work.
        
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        January 5, 2021 9:57am
      - Happychappy
        
        Yes and you only have to look at what happened in New Plymouth afew years ago to see the torment that a police officer was put through their.
        
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        January 5, 2021 10:12am
      - redflagged
        
        Watch crimes against officers and police complaints drop if Police were fully armed at all times and had to wear compulsory body cams that can’t be switched off for accountability.
        
        Criminal scum don’t respect the Police, but they respect guns.
        
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        January 5, 2021 11:19am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        The victim’s family’s response will definitely be strong if there’s an overarching whiff of possible compo…
        
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        January 5, 2021 2:29pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      If they won’t let the police chase stolen cars, what makes you think they will allow them to shoot?
      
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      January 5, 2021 9:09am
      - Inandout
        
        RW, and cellphones are still used for texting and calling from motor vehicles, and I have yet to see a vehicle pulled over for that. I do however sense the Police have given up on so called ‘petty’ crimes; man the paperwork.
        
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        January 5, 2021 11:17am
      - MFD
        
        “and I have yet to see a vehicle pulled over for that”
        
        …and because you “haven’t seen” it, it doesn’t happen?
        
        …and how, when you DO see a vehicle pulled over, do you determine the reason?
        
        Cell phone infringement stops are common and generally involve photography (as evidence) from an elevated vantage point with a separate group of officers in radio contact further down the road to pull the offenders over.
        
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        January 5, 2021 12:19pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      They nailed an innocent driver on the Auckland motorway a while back though.
      
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      January 5, 2021 9:32am
    - IC5000
      
      > They need to shoot sooner to contain the problem
      
      I don’t know where you immigrated from but that’s not how policing is done in NZ. What kind of demented person would want more people shoot and killed on our streets?
      
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      January 5, 2021 11:12am
      - MFD
        
        The downtickers, I guess.
        
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        January 5, 2021 4:02pm
      - IC5000
        
        I wonder what it’s like to have this kind of bloodlust? Do they watch see a criminal on the news and think ‘yeah, I’d love to see him executed by the police’, like it’s a totally normal thought to have?
        
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        January 5, 2021 7:52pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    In old times if two men (or in this case two groups) were intent on having a duel, no-one stood in their way.
    
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    January 5, 2021 8:23am
- Swifty
  
  Yeah, I see in the last day or two three shootings – Feilding, Mt Wellington and Kaiapoi.
  
  Is it just me or has gun crime shot right up in the last year or two?
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:18am
  - BAM
    
    Thanks, Australia.
    
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    January 5, 2021 9:23am
- kowtow
  
  Police “management” will be going batshit trying to organise a “hui” to see if they can settle things down.
  
  Nice to be so powerful that the police want to negotiate rather than prosecute .
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:29am
  - cmm
    
    Well we already know that Wally and the Mob have weekly meetings…
    
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    January 5, 2021 9:40am
Swifty

If of interest, an interesting view of the Raurimu Spiral by drone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNNxmsCXLs8

Raurimu Spiral: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raurimu_Spiral
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January 5, 2021 8:16am
- lofty
  
  A good watch, thanks Swifty.
  
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  January 5, 2021 12:37pm
KevO'Brien

So Mitch McConnell does have real Chinese military connections…
https://joannenova.com.au/

(Further details kept back to keep surprise.)
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January 5, 2021 8:18am
- NK
  
  *yawn*
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:23am
- Nukuleka
  
  Distracting from Hunter Biden’s Chinese connections, are we?
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:30am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    NO. McConnell has a Chinese wife and they are actively involved in significant Chinese Govt business!
    I had though the stories about him were the usual 1/2 truths but he has turned against the President and now we have the reasons.
    An interesting week awaits.
    
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    January 5, 2021 11:16am
    - NK
      
      Oh, these are the reasons? And you know that because……????
      
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      January 5, 2021 11:39am
    - SGA
      
      he has turned against the President and now we have the reasons.
      
      And so, by neccesity, the layers of conspiracy get deeper and deeper.
      
      The polls before the election were wrong again, the election was rigged, state officials (even in Republican-dominated states) are incompetent or corrupt, the state and federal judiciaries (even judges appointed by Trump himself) are incompetent or corrupt, the Supreme Court itself (despite its Republican-appointed majority including three Justices appointed by Trump himself) is in the wrong, and now traditional Trump allies (e.g., McConnell) who say “enough is enough” must be tainted in some way.
      
      Recently, all 10 living former US defense secretaries (Dick Cheney, James Mattis, Mark Esper, Leon Panetta, Donald Rumsfeld, William Cohen, Chuck Hagel, Robert Gates, William Perry and Ashton Carter) signed a letter saying, in part, “Our elections have occurred. Recounts and audits have been conducted. Appropriate challenges have been addressed by the courts. Governors have certified the results. And the electoral college has voted. The time for questioning the results has passed; the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the Constitution and statute, has arrived” – I await to learn how this diverse bunch have been compromised in some way.
      
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      January 5, 2021 12:05pm
hmmokrightitis

Following yesterday, @ Tony Stuart…

Re Kane and the team, agree with everything you said. Im a child of the 60’s, my cricketing hero’s were the Hadlees, Cairns (1st edition thankfully) and “Chats” of the world. But after that era, as I told my 18 year old yesterday, who is an even bigger fan than me, there was a time when it was really really hard being a NZ cricket fan.

Watching Kane bat yesterday – and Nicholls as well – gave me such great pleasure. I was a wannabe cricketer, managed a trial for Auckland that was about it, it is surely one of the great pleasures of a summer to watch a wonderful match unfold, to watch the skills on display.

Williamson is one of our greats, and seeing the strength of the team around him, their values, their professionalism, their commitment, is wonderful. I agree – surely the best team of my lifetime as well.
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January 5, 2021 8:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m still a bit pissed off that they folded to Australia over there so easily last summer. This is probably our strongest ever team, and Australia is not as strong as they usually are. So it was a major disappointment that they showed no fight when presented with our best chance for test wins in Australia for many years.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:43am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes it was surprising. But they are not the first quality team to be battered by Australia at home.
    
    Unfortunately their performance probably ended any chance of a repeat headline test tour of Australia. The Australian authorities will be doing the absolute minimum to fulfill their obligations to host New Zealand three years from now. That might mean two tests in November in Hobart and Perth. I would not expect to see New Zealand play another test in Sydney or Melbourne in the next 20 years.
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:10am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      That might change when we beat Australia to win the World Test Championship later this year!
      
      I realise a number of things have to fall into place for that to happen, some of them quite improbable and out of our hands, but it remains a genuine possibility. I fancy us in English conditions, they are much closer to NZ than Australian ones.
      
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      January 5, 2021 12:49pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “That might change when we beat Australia to win the World Test Championship later this year!”
        
        No it will make no difference. Last year’s performance caused a savage media reaction in Australia. If New Zealand won the test championship, the Australian media would rationalise it as luck or New Zealand playing soft teams. Or something.
        
        I am confident that New Zealand will not play in Sydney or Melbourne in the next 20 years. It will be Hobart and Brisbane or Perth in mid November before the headline team arrives. And New Zealand winning the test championship will not change that.
        
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        January 5, 2021 2:08pm
    - Prince
      
      Agree, but I find it annoying we don’t treat the Aussies with the same disrespect in Rugby. Sure they win the odd dead rubber game, but Bledisloe Cup should be 2 tests only when it suits us.
      
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      January 5, 2021 12:56pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The Blrdisloe Cup is driven by money. So long as people show up to watch the All Blacks play Australia, the games will happen..
        
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        January 5, 2021 2:10pm
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Agreed mike. I was so excited that we finally got a BD Test at the MCG. Flew over with a bunch of mates, enjoyed everything Melbourne has to offer (including discovering a wonderful Gin focused bar) and settled in from Day 2 to…disappointment.
    
    Yes, its Australia, yes, like most teams they are home bullies, but we didn’t really fight.
    
    That said, what a wonderful experience. The relocated Bay 13 crew were wonderful, as was the Beige Brigade, which bought a standing ovation a couple of times for their singing.
    
    Hopefully I can get back there this year for my first time n front of an Ashes match.
    
    Fellow cricket tragics, a question. Ross Taylor? Time to bring on fresh blood?
    
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    January 5, 2021 11:04am
    - Prince
      
      The clock is certainly ticking.
      
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      January 5, 2021 12:57pm
  - bruceavon
    
    New Zealand teams are always much better on our wickets. And the other teams can’t get used to it. Would be good to see how they go overseas but it might not happen for a while
    
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    January 5, 2021 2:53pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Values, are you serious……
  Good batsman but if he think BLM is the go, his values and my values are a mile apart.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:49am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    They’re miles apart from mine too, but here’s the thing. Unlike the media and seemingly everyone else, I don’t expect celebrities, sports stars or actors etc to be role models, paragons of virtue or the fount of all knowledge.
    
    I expect them to do their job which in Kane’s case is to make runs, captain the team and keep getting those wins. I no more criticise him for a moral stand I disagree with than I would applaud him for one I agreed with. It doesn’t even register for me, because I don’t look to people like that for moral guidance.
    
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    January 5, 2021 1:13pm
    - Debsta
      
      Oh so eloquently said Lodden!
      
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      January 5, 2021 2:52pm
- Nickc2
  
  That aside, if they didn’t do the ‘take a knee BLM stuff’, they and junior cricket would still have my support. However, because of their stupid actions, they don’t.
  One may say I’m the only loser here but I do have principles and would be a hypocrite if I chose not to apply them.
  
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  January 5, 2021 11:15am
  - marleybob
    
    Nothing wrong with your principles, My mates think I’m nuts when I turn my back on watching the Maori Allblacks,
    
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    January 5, 2021 1:53pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Join the club.
      
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      January 5, 2021 9:07pm
iMP

CHALK & CHEESE.
House Democrats are voting to remove “mother”, “father,” “him,” or “her” as pronouns or epithets because they are not “inclusive” terms. This is the new Biden America (for now).

Meanwhile, Trump has concluded a new peace between the 3-year warring Gulf States incl UAE, Qatar, S.Arabia. It’s being concluded today by his a Jewish son-in-law.
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January 5, 2021 8:29am
- cmm
  
  Obama managed to get slavery reestablished in Libya so I’m sure Biden/Harris will be able to restart the ME wars.
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:34am
  - JackRabbit
    
    I believe you. Obama arranged the funding for the joint US / Wuhan virus labs, and they were able to start the Covid wars quite successfully.
    
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    January 5, 2021 8:38am
  - kowtow
    
    Toppling Gaddafi also had the effect of further destabalising a whole swathe of black African countries on Libya’s borders …….thousands dead , massive poverty and disruption ……..
    
    Wonders why there’re so few BLM protests around this or even reporting by our oh so concerned Media Pardy.
    
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    January 5, 2021 8:49am
    - cmm
      
      Yup the ripples of this are felt all the way through Northern Africa.
      
      100 murdered in Niger on the week end alone.
      
      Mozambique is also feeling the blessings of Islam with over half a million people displaced and unknown thousands murdered but it is harder to associate that with Libya.
      
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      January 5, 2021 9:48am
  - SB2
    
    cmm and co, a reminder,
    
    Trump Claims He Didn’t Support Libya Intervention — But He Did, On Video
    
    Trump in 2011: “And at this point, if you don’t get rid of Gaddafi, it’s a major, major black eye for this country.”
    
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/trump-claims-he-didnt-support-libya-intervention-but-he-did
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:08am
    - cmm
      
      There’s intervention and intervention.
      
      Rule number 1 when dealing with any power changes (particularly in Africa):don’t overthrow a stable government unless you have a solid succession plan.
      
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      January 5, 2021 10:35am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        See, for example, Iraq.
        
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        January 5, 2021 10:37am
      - cmm
        
        mma: Quite.
        
        Iraq, South Africa, Rhodesia, Angola, Mozambique, most of S America,…
        
        It’s all very well getting rid of things you don’t like but then you need to make sure there’s something to fill the gap.
        
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        January 5, 2021 11:11am
      - Nickc2
        
        Sorry cmm, my downtick was a mistake.
        
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        January 5, 2021 11:24am
      - Master Mariner
        
        CMM, You and I know, There will never be democracy in Africa.
        Having worked and lived there over long periods of time and various countries.
        “don’t overthrow a stable government unless you have a solid succession plan”
        First to spring too mind is Rhodesia , Then German SW Africa ( Namibia).DRC and pretty much all the rest.
        Last time working in Mauritania, In the 18th., 19th century, The locals used to capture seafarers from cargo vessels, ( Hint you didnt want to be ship wrecked there, Lots where) as you were automatically sold as slaves.
        Wonder if GG is willing to help out there with distant families and there existing well being. Just go through the Lloyds list of ship wrecks and look up families now. Must be a few grievences right there still existing.
        
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        January 5, 2021 1:04pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    As Gaddafi said, Get rid of me and Europe will be awash with Refugees.
    Or words to that effect.
    Wonder why Europeans are still angry against US. Well theres a clue right there
    Dont get me started on Syria.
    Clue 2
    
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    January 5, 2021 12:54pm
- NK
  
  I didn’t know Qatar was at war with Saudi Arabia. I must tell my friends who live in Qatar.
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Qatar has been under a boycott from Saudi Arabia.
    Perhaps your friends will be able to travel to Riyadh more easily now.
    
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/4/saudi-arabia-qatar-agree-to-open-airspace-land-and-sea-border
    
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    January 5, 2021 9:09am
    - BeeJay
      
      I think NK was being sarcastic! You might have missed that, Maggie?
      
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      January 5, 2021 9:20am
      - Jimmy White
        
        Is “sarcastic” the 2021 version of “woke”
        
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        January 5, 2021 9:37am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s because the Trumpistas have developed a habit of hailing as ‘peace deals’ the establishment of diplomatic relations between Israel and countries with which it has never been at war, like Morocco and Kosovo.
      
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      January 5, 2021 9:51am
    - NK
      
      War = boycott?
      
      I didn’t know that. So when we boycotted sporting ties with South Africa years ago, we were at war with them?
      
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      January 5, 2021 10:59am
    - Master Mariner
      
      One of the demands was for Al Jezeera to be closed.
      Qatar and Bahrain, Both have large US navy bases there.
      looks like opening up again after the Crown Prince through his toys out of the cot.
      Saudi Arabia, Definately the worst place I’ve worked.
      Dont miss it one Iota
      
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      January 5, 2021 1:14pm
- Monique Watson
  
  that business with Qatar. Its called busywork. And a very nice bait and switch to move half billion dollars of precision missiles through allied airspace potentially.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:01am
- fernglas
  
  Kushner turned up so that Trump could claim credit for a Kuwaiti-brokered deal between Saudi and Qatar. I’ve seen nothing anywhere to suggest that he did anything, or that Trump was involved other than to criticise the dispute from afar.
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:40am
Andrei

Ben Franklin was walking out of Independence Hall after the Constitutional Convention in 1787, when someone shouted out, “Doctor, what have we got? A republic or a monarchy?”

To which Ben Franklin rejoined : “A republic, if you can keep it.”

Well they’ve lost it and now have a gerontocracy led by an old man skulking in his cellar addressing the Nation reading his telepromt on TV and an elagantly coiffed old crone suitably masked in the house.
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January 5, 2021 8:32am
- Fletch
  
  It even looks like they are making plans for a virtual inauguration. He won’t even stump up in person to assume the leadership he stole. Maybe he can’t do it without a teleprompter.
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:17am
  - Andrei
    
    Not only that but hardly anybody would bother to show up – whereas 100,000s of Trump supporters will be turning out
    
    All of which highlights the incogruity of the narrative that Biden attracted the most votes for a Presidential candidate in history
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:34am
  - JackRabbit
    
    If he turned up in person and said anything more than one sentence, the public would realise he was a corpse incapable of tying his own shoelaces.
    
    At least with a virtual inauguration, they can script and CGI the whole thing.
    
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    January 5, 2021 11:26am
- Lance
  
  Who do you mean, Trump or Biden… it’s hard to tell?
  
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  January 5, 2021 11:46am
- Mark
  
  That comment has the ring of an incredibly bad loser.The old crone is about to start her 4th reign as speaker,she is a winner is she not?
  
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  January 5, 2021 5:22pm
kowtow

The ODT which describes itself as the independent voice of the south has run a very anti Trump and very pro CCP editorial.

It evens questions western democracy.

https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/democracy-china-and-us

Perhaps they’d do well to report worrying news from their new friend , oppressive China.

‘Two mainland lawyers who helped the families of 12 Hongkongers arrested by the Guangdong coast guard in August were told by the authorities on Monday that their licences will be revoked.’

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1568507-20210104.htm
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January 5, 2021 8:36am
- SB2
  
  Kowtow,
  
  “It evens questions western democracy.”??
  
  The editorial says no such thing!
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:14am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    It’s anti-Western bent is in plain sight. This editorial is clearly giddy with praise for the authoritarian regime in China:
    
    “China CAN and does — crow about its system of government”
    
    “It has SEEMED apparent to the West that societies should be governed by liberal democracies”
    
    “… democracy is at times messy. It has lots of flaws. This style of politics threatens unity, gives power to vested interests, contains potential for inequity, can persecute minorities and can be hijacked”
    
    “It comes at a time when democracy appears to be delivering to the rich and powerful and to the corporations. But its common accompaniment, “neo-liberal” economics, does not seem to be creating the jobs, the dignity and the shared wealth needed to cement cohesion and satisfaction.”
    
    “On the surface it would seem China — an authoritarian, capitalist dictatorship — is an alternative.”
    
    This is a disgrace and seems like an open exhortation to authoritarianism and/or communism. The ODT has fallen very, very badly.
    
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    January 5, 2021 1:11pm
Swifty

For some months now I’ve been reading and watching all sorts of material promoting marxism, and how it is the cure for all modern ills.

Richard Wolff is, according to some, the most prominent Marxist economics professor in the US. Here he is making the case for (US) government ownership interest in all (private) companies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGLL8SzyWoQ

I’ll leave other KBers to assess the merits of his arguments.
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January 5, 2021 8:44am
- cmm
  
  Wolff could put his money where his mouth is and give away all his assets to the government.
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:37am
- Nickc2
  
  Government ownership interest in private companies. Now, where have I heard that before? Oh, that’s right, wasn’t that what Cindy and Robbo were doing when they dished out borrowed money which we taxpayers will have to repay to private companies during the early days of anti-Covid-19 measures? Many of those companies are now in debt to our Marxist Govt. Marxism by stealth eh!
  
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  January 5, 2021 11:33am
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING…..

Has anyone seen Chinese Billionaire ‘Jack Ma’?

Missing for a few weeks now 🙁
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January 5, 2021 8:49am
- Maggie's partner
  
  As I told you at breakfast, he’s in North Korea
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:43am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! you haven’t even got ya’ lazy arse out of bed yet!
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:03am
- curry4me
  
  Maggie Pie: Yes, it’s probably safer to criticise the 14K Triad than the CCP.
  
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  January 5, 2021 11:53am
cmm

Scientists trying to figure out whether the CV19 vaccine will work with new strains of the virus…

Some vaccines work with a wide range of viruses (eg, smallpox, cowpox, monkeypox etc all respond to the same vaccine – which isn’t even really the smallpox vaccine but is instead derived from a less harmful family member).

However the SARS-COV-2 virus is a coronavirus (same family as common cold) which are strain dependent. Therefore my 50 cents says the vaccine will not work properly for the new strain(s).

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-south-africa-testing-whether-vaccines-work-against-variant/VOYJHEBGATUU2DN2NWG3K4E2UU/
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January 5, 2021 8:55am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Some vaccines work with a wide range of viruses
  A bit like malaria medication worked on the symptoms of covid19?
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:12am
  - cmm
    
    No not really.
    
    Medicines like analgesics and fever suppressants will work on a wide range of pains/fevers because they address the symptoms – not the infection itself.
    
    Vaccines are antibody based – they attack the actual virus. Some are very strain specific but some (eg. smallpox) are not.
    
    What this means is that with flus and colds etc we’ll never defeat them with vaccines because a mutation sidesteps the vaccination and its off again. Hence every year you get a different cocktail in the flu vaccine.
    
    But for smallpox etc, the vaccine’s effectiveness is broad enough that variants are also covered so a mutation doesn’t happen and does not establish. Hence we can eradicate smallpox (and cowpox, monkeypox, etc for free).
    
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    January 5, 2021 9:59am
- JackRabbit
  
  Generally I would agree with you on this cmm. This is however one hitch. According to what I read some months ago, Covid-19 has in built “self-correction” to prevent replication errors and thus avoid the virus naturally dying out, as a result of replication dilution. Those same articles pointed out that this is what made Covid-19 so dangerous.
  
  Now we are told that yes, Covid-19, despite its error checking has morphed into a new variety, which according to the theory of “self correction”, this could not occur.
  
  I was told in May, from someone on the front line here in NZ, that the strain we have in NZ was nowhere near as potent as the strain in the UK or the US.
  
  So how many strains are there really?
  
  Version 1.0, 1.1, 1.15, 2.0 ?
  All from a virus that is so sophisticated it has “error correction” to prevent modification?
  
  What was really going on in the joint Wuhan / USA virus program? Why are we not hearing about how Trump stopped the funding?
  
  Why are we not hearing about the USA virus research facilities buying cats and dogs in the Wuhan wet market and transporting animal parts back to the USA, sometimes in domestic luggage?
  
  Why are we not hearing from the virologists who cannot find a mutation path between earlier corona viruses and Covid-19?
  
  Why are we not hearing from the virologists who state that charged method (corona) that the vaccine uses to inject into the host cells is identical to how the virus itself works?
  
  Why are we not hearing that the charge size in the virus is ten times that of any other corona virus and has scientists puzzled as to how that happened without a migration / evolution path?
  
  How was one Vaccine company able to have their first beta vaccine ready to test, less than a week after receiving the virus genome? If they know that much about the virus, why can’t they stop it?
  
  We are not hearing because it does not fit the MSM narrative.
  
  In the UK, no-one is suggesting that this new strain of Covid-19 has arisen from the vaccines.
  
  Despite that, “fact checking” sites are already dispelling that as a myth, before the “myth” has even surfaced. Yes really.
  
  https://fit.thequint.com/fit-webqoof/did-the-covid-19-vaccine-cause-the-new-variant-in-uk-no
  
  The argument being that the Covid-19 is not a live vaccine, and therefore cannot cause the disease. Which is misinformation in itself. Fact checking the fact checkers, we know it is not a live vaccine, it is more tenuous than that. The vaccine has the ability to create a “simulated” virus.
  
  Vaccines are not bullet proof.
  
  Sometimes vaccines create the very outbreak they were designed to prevent.
  
  https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6916a1.htm
  
  https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-september-2020-polio-sudan/en/
  
  https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03045-2
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:06am
  - Fletch
    
    To be honest, I think Covid will be with us forever now, just like the regular flu. You can get a flu shot for a particular year but you’re never going to get rid of the flu, either.
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:19am
  - cmm
    
    JR: We’re forever hearing that CV19 (or the SARS-COV-2 virus that causes it) is different and acts differently to anything before it.
    
    This is bullshit to increase the fear factor. It is behaving just like any other virus of a similar type. It does not have special “error correction” etc.
    
    One of the first things we heard about the virus was that it was different because it spread in big droplets (hence masks and 2 metre social distancing to give the big droplets enough space to fall on the ground). All bullshit – it travels in any size droplets including microscopic aerosols.
    
    Some of the questions you ask are valid, but some are stretching a bit.
    
    “Why are we not hearing from the virologists who cannot find a mutation path between earlier corona viruses and Covid-19?” Sounds sketchy to me. Why should the “stepping stone” virus strains that make up the path still exist? Why would they be found?
    
    There are likely millions of mutations and variants of CV out there but most will fail to be viable or will be asymptomatic so they never get identified. Sequencing is costly and takes time. They don’t sequence every virus they find – just the ones they’re interested in.
    
    For example the newest strain of SARS-COV-19 looks like it came out of the Eastern Cape (aka Transkei) in South Africa. This is an area I was very familiar with. Very few hospitals/medical facilities/phones/anything. Almost zero testing outside of major towns. This is the ideal place for a new strain to emerge and find a foot hold.
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:31am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Thanks for that cmm, and it makes sense.
      
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      January 5, 2021 10:57am
  - SGA
    
    According to what I read some months ago, Covid-19 has in built “self-correction” to prevent replication errors and thus avoid the virus naturally dying out, as a result of replication dilution.
    
    There must be some mutation and variation going on. If there wasn’t then they couldn’t use genomic sequencing to link cases to common sources?
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:51am
- Master Mariner
  
  starting to worry about that now CMM.
  
  Here we go again.
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/4/s-africa-covid-variant-more-infectious-than-uk-strain-minister
  
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  January 5, 2021 1:18pm
Maggie Pie

Yesterday, her staff gave Jacinda a box of Random Questions from which she had to pull each one out and answer.

The first question was: “Describe 2020 in a single word”

She came back immediately with the “F” bomb!

WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE SAID? 😀

https://twitter.com/Goodable/status/1345759306768117760
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January 5, 2021 9:04am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Pity she cant sort out the gangs, housing problem, kids in poverty etc etc etc
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:13am
  - kowtow
    
    Duncan Garner put it rather succinctly
    
    “They couldn’t deliver a letter”
    
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    January 5, 2021 9:38am
  - curry4me
    
    fightingtemeraire: But she did sort out ‘child poviddy’. As the minister of SIS, she succeeds when more spooks are recruited. The Minister of Defence succeeds when there are more soldiers. So it follows logically, that the Minister of Child Poviddy succeeds when there is more ‘child poviddy’. /sarc
    
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    January 5, 2021 11:58am
- RW Capitalist
  
  WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE SAID?
  Easy
  JACINDA
  meaning
  A euphemism for
  Incompetence
  Stupidity
  Wholly selfish political animal
  Laziness
  
  One word can say so much.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:16am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, she resorts to Twitter language when on that appalling site.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What a load of wholesale rubbish from her.
  Now my head hurts
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:58am
- JibberJabber
  
  Jaysus, that’s a puke inducing clip, put a warning up next time! ?.
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:23am
hullkiwi

Happy New Year all.

Well strike me down with a feather, and call me surprised.

“The Horrid” this morning is reporting that “Experts are worried that the Covid vaccines may not be effective against the new strain of the virus”.

My guess, theses are not experts making these comments, but go to sound bite commentators.

If these people were experts, they would have been saying that spending $billions on vaccines in the hope of protecting us against Covid is and was a foolish waste of money. What we need from the world’s political leadership, are people who can give real leadership and ideas on how we can move forward and learn to live with Covid, rather than woke/dumb ar*e thinking!
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January 5, 2021 9:06am
- DeepBlue
  
  Big Pharma will slow down the new strain analysis to ensure they can offload as much old stock as possible to UK/US before the ‘oh no don’t work’ bad news.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:55am
- tf78
  
  hullkiwi – I’d have treatment such as ivermectin/hydroxychloroquine rather than a vaccine any day.
  
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  January 5, 2021 12:01pm
redeye

It’s only money. FFS.

More evidence that the Ardern government’s response was rattled and disorganized.

“More than $37 million in personal protective equipment (PPE) imported to deal with the coronavirus pandemic was never used because it did not meet safety standards, according to the Ministry of Health’s latest annual report.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/123845611/coronavirus-37m-in-ppe-never-used-because-of-safety-concerns
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January 5, 2021 9:11am
- MCos
  
  I prefer our rattled and disorganized response to the well oiled machine Boris & the Tories are running.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:53am
  - MCos
    
    Boris & the Tories sound like a pop band with one hit that’s hung around for four years.
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:02am
    - SB2
      
      Indeed,
      
      PM Boris Johnson announces hard Covid 19 lockdown
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300198204/uk-prime-minister-boris-johnson-announces-hard-covid19-lockdown
      
      LOL!
      
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      January 5, 2021 10:23am
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        Hows Singapore doing these days, no mention ever.
        
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        January 5, 2021 12:54pm
  - redeye
    
    Direct from the Ardern playbook.
    Pick a Country that’s doing worse, regardless of their differing circumstances, and compare us to them.
    Then completely ignore any Country that has done better.
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:46am
  - amospicton
    
    Right Mcos and how do you thin Jacinda and her band of clowns would have done presented with challenges of the scale of the UK?
    
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    January 5, 2021 1:55pm
MCos

Never has Boris’s disheveled appearance looked more appropriate than it did this morning when he was forced to announce further restrictions on his recently liberated nation.
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January 5, 2021 9:23am
- MCos
  
  On Facebook this morning from an elderly friend in Yorkshire living on her on
  
  As I have Covid symptoms … high temperature, headache, fatigue I thought I would be responsible and send off for a home test kit which arrived promptly. Firstly I had to assemble a flat pack box which I spent over an hour trying to put together and it still looked like a dogs breakfast. I thought a bit of cello tape would stop it dropping apart. Secondly googling where my nearest Covid post box was which is at least a 15 minute walk. Thirdly inputting 3 different codes including a bar code which it asked me to scan? It wouldn’t accept one of the codes . This was before I had taken the swab test. All this and feeling rotten! Why such a fussy way. I lost patience with it in the end. If I get worse I will phone 111.
  They certainly don’t make these home tests old age friendly. For younger people I suppose this wouldn’t be a problem! I can’t even get someone to help as I am isolating… grrrrrr!!!!!!
  
  This was followed by all sorts of cold remedies from other friends plus this not quite so cheerful message.
  
  My mum has had covid. . . . . . Wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:40am
  - tf78
    
    Ever had the ‘flu’ you feel like s…t too!
    
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    January 5, 2021 12:04pm
Inandout

When Jacinda locked us down we had no road deaths and no shootings and the air was clean and the supermarkets boomed. As an aside health workers in the US and Austalia are refusing to take the C19 vaccine, but will happily force it on ‘ordinary’ people.
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January 5, 2021 9:23am
- kowtow
  
  As an aside health workers in the US and Austalia are refusing to take the C19 vaccine,
  
  Link please
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:37am
  - Inandout
    
    Kow, and just accept the link without going ballistic as to its author.
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/01/05/qld-public-servants-exempt-from-vaccine/
    
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    January 5, 2021 11:25am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Here’s one
    
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/many-frontline-workers-refuse-covid-19-vaccines-distribution-rollout-struggles-n1252617
    
    and here’s another
    
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13632765/coronavirus-vaccines-frontline-workers-refusal-vaccinations/
    
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    January 5, 2021 11:33am
    - kowtow
      
      inandout , EH
      
      Thank you.
      
      I saw an article in the German news where there’s a relatively high rate of scepticism among Kraut medicos …..sorry tried but can’t find the link now.
      
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      January 5, 2021 12:44pm
- SB2
  
  “As an aside health workers in the US and Austalia are refusing to take the C19 vaccine”
  
  ???
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:24am
I remember when

Believe it or not Ripley.
Tokomaru Bay Hotel shut the bar at 8pm on New Years Eve.
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January 5, 2021 9:29am
- Monique Watson
  
  Oh I love Tokomaru Bay. Pity about the early closure.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:40am
- peterwn
  
  Why risk having the joint smashed up and losing the liquor licence?
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Missing. The Influenza Virus aka The Flu.
Last seen Feb 2020. If found please call CDC.
Under no circumstances should you call the media – they are suspects in it’s disappearance.
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January 5, 2021 9:32am
- MCos
  
  The flu is brought in from offshore, I believe, so it must get stopped by managed isolation.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:47am
  - cmm
    
    Hand washing etc will be helping reduce flu etc as will the general change in attitude to sneezing/coughing people staying at home.
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:15am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Except I’ve now got dermatitis in my hands due to constant sanitising when I visit places.
      It stops today.
      
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      January 5, 2021 10:42am
      - Inandout
        
        Don, if that is the case just walk past the wee bottle of gunk.
        
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        January 5, 2021 11:26am
      - tf78
        
        Don, try Neutrogena hand cream – it’s the best I have used (recommended by skin cancer specialist)
        
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        January 5, 2021 12:07pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Thanks tf78. My wife works in my son-in-law’s pharmacy. I’ll order her to get some. 🙂
        
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        January 5, 2021 12:56pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        And because I sing “happy birthday” twice to insure a 20 second handwash, my wife is aging rather rapidly.
        
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        January 5, 2021 12:56pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Elizabeth Arden 8 hour cream. Not the original 8 hour cream, that’s full of paraffin and stinks (works tho), the the 8 hour hand lotion. Not cheap though.
        
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        January 5, 2021 1:55pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Average yearly deaths are around 500 for flu, and Covid was around 5% of this figure.
  The 5% of course is people that died with traces of Covid somewhere in their lives.
  Maybe we should start testing for the flu under the same parameters, we might be able to push the Flu numbers up dramatically.
  The media don’t state any relevant facts as it doesn’t frighten people and sell their story.
  There is no money in good news.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:59am
  - MCos
    
    Maybe the criteria for death by flu is similar in NZ to covid-19?
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:05am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      It well could be but if you tested for it when there are low numbers you could boost the the numbers 10 fold by using false positives.
      What we do know is the flu vaccine changes every year, the new strain arrives from the Northern Hemisphere winter, and those vaccinated have a very varied success rate with catching the flu vaccinated or not. What we haven’t learnt from this is, you cannot eliminate a virus with yearly flu shots , you can suppress it, but not elimination.
      
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      January 5, 2021 10:42am
  - JackRabbit
    
    So true.
    $100Bn dollars and 13.5 months later and no IFR for Covid-19, no 2019 deaths vs 2020 deaths comparison, no flu vs and Covid-19 comparison.
    
    Bernie Madoff probably regrets his trading scam, thinking that a future in a Covid-19 funding scam might be a better option upon his release. All he will have to do is predict 80,000 deaths and get bucket loads of funding, and a New Zealand Order of Merit as a bonus.
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Gee I’m sorry guys – I forgot the sarc tab again //
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:07am
Maggie Pie

sound UP…..FULL screen…..WATCH closely 😀

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1345717703319846914
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January 5, 2021 9:34am
kowtow

I’m surprised our Media Pardy panic pornsters haven’t got their darling of the pink hair to comment on this latest from the annals of Wuflu.

‘ A Portuguese health worker has died two days after getting the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine.

Sonia Acevedo, 41, suffered a ‘sudden death’ at home on New Year’s Day 48 hours after receiving the jab. An autopsy is expected to take place later today or tomorrow.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9111311/Portuguese-health-worker-41-dies-two-days-getting-Pfizer-covid-vaccine.html
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January 5, 2021 9:36am
- JackRabbit
  
  Nothing to see here.
  
  Dr Kelly Moore, associate director of the Immunization Action Coalition: “One of the things we want to make sure people understand is that they should not be unnecessarily alarmed if there are reports, once we start vaccinating, of someone or multiple people dying within a day or two of their vaccination who are residents of a long-term care facility.”
  
  “Moore was explaining how deaths among care home residents who had received the vaccine could be unrelated to their immunisation.”
  
  https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-care-homes-idUSKBN28K2IO
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:20am
- fernglas
  
  So what? Inoculate enough people, and there will be any number dying within 2 days of receiving the vaccine.
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:30am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Exactly, about 1 in 40000 people die every day. Vaccinate a random 40 million and about 1000 of them will die the next day of natural causes.
    
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    January 5, 2021 1:31pm
Gulag1917

New Zealand looking more like the Wild West everyday.
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January 5, 2021 9:38am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Wild West people actually had guns to protect themselves, the only people that have guns now are the lawless. Do you really think a sheriff in the wild west walked around without his weapon then grabbed it when shot at.
  No, sorry nothing like the wild west, now just a one side shooting smorgasbord for the criminals.
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:06am
  - kowtow
    
    Looking more like pre colonial days , perhaps ?
    
    The rule of law was one of the great benefits of colonialism . But since the 1970’s we seem to have dispensed with that quaint anachronism …..
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:15am
    - Phronesis
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/100-years-ago/ban-revolvers-discussed
      Our Wellington correspondent wires that Dr Thacker, in the House of Representatives yesterday, suggested that the Government should take drastic methods in regard to the indiscriminate shooting that was going on all over New Zealand.
      Notwithstanding the restrictions some 20 or 25 per cent of the people were going about with revolvers in their hip pockets. Mr Massey said members would recollect that the House had recently passed an Arms Bill, but it would not come fully into operation for some months. It was intended to deal with the difficulty. Mr Young: Stop the sale of revolvers. Mr Massey: That is not yet possible. We must allow dealers to get rid of their stock. We cannot stop the dealers’ business altogether. The automatic pistol, which, I am told, is the most dangerous, is prohibited altogether. The police information to us was that a considerable number of people had got into the habit of carrying firearms. The Act will stop it when it comes into full operation, and the government will do all it can.
      
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      January 5, 2021 2:54pm
      - GJM
        
        The main reason for the arms restrictions in 1920, both here and the UK was a concern over a Bolshevik revolution. Lots of disaffected young men with grievances from the Great War 2 years prior, and the Russian revolution at the time. Protecting the citizens had little to do with it. No different from Cindy’s gun confiscation 100 years later really.
        
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        January 5, 2021 8:51pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  No, we are not at all the Wild West; entirely the reverse. In the West, the townsfolk were allowed to – indeed obliged to – form up a posse to hunt down the crims. And they were quite effective inside their own precincts as well – look up the 1876 Northfield, Minnesota Raid (basis for the movie “The Long Riders”) where townspeople shot the James-Younger gang into the proverbial doll rags. Of the 8 bandits, only the 2 James brothers escaped death or capture. Then one James bro invited Bob Ford into the somewhat shrunken gang…
  
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  January 5, 2021 11:38am
Monique Watson

To those grumpy about Biden getting an upper hand in the senate come the runoff; the reality is both parties are as crooked as a centenarians dick. Both parties have had decades to engender reform at a grassroots level. This is the reality of black voter suppression:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/04/politics/georgia-hancock-county-right-to-vote-senate/index.html
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January 5, 2021 9:39am
- Monique Watson
  
  Why would you downtick that? It’s an interesting story with decent corroborating links and I have quotes from black friends or poor whites which I won’t drop to kind of audience who comes on here. Not exactly the type to duck your head at the sound of sirens or gaze away from salesladies eyes.
  
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  January 5, 2021 11:03am
  - MFD
    
    “Why would you downtick that?”
    
    Perhaps because it challenges a faith-based viewpoint which requires selecting only that information that reinforces the belief system.
    
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    January 5, 2021 12:26pm
Maggie Pie

And now that the British Judge has turned down the US request for the extradition of ‘Julian Assange’, my partner reckons it’s a dollar to a pinch of goat poop that Trumpy will pardon him.

Any takers?
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January 5, 2021 9:52am
- Maggie's partner
  
  When you have finished on here, any chance of some breakfast?
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:57am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Get it yourself, lazy bugger! 😉
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:46am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Let me guess
    smashed avocado with crumbed feta on five-grain toasted bread with a Tall, Non-Fat Latte With Caramel Drizzle……
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:52am
- Sacha
  
  What’s to pardon? Has Assange been found guilty in an American court?
  
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  January 5, 2021 11:06am
  - simonway
    
    The Trump administration has been wanting to put him on trial for charges relating to disclosing sensitive information and computer hacking.
    
    You don’t need to be convicted of anything in order to receive a presidential pardon. The president can issue a pardon for any past conduct, whether it’s been judged by a court or not.
    
    Presidential pardons don’t even need to be specific about a crime. A president could say, “John Smith is pardoned for all crimes that he has ever committed in his life up to this point,” and if it later was revealed that John Smith helped carry out 9/11, the federal government wouldn’t be able to convict him for it.
    
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    January 5, 2021 4:26pm
- curry4me
  
  Maggie Pie: Yeah, I’ve heard that theory too. I hope he does. and, I hope he can go free, regargless.
  
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  January 5, 2021 12:09pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes – us too.
    Also, Kim Dotcom has been thru enuff sh*t as well.
    He needs to be able to get on with his and his family’s life in this country and not be at the mercy of corrupt politicians.
    We can think of many other REAL scumbags that have been allowed to stay here that you wouldn’t want living next to you.
    
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    January 5, 2021 12:53pm
- tf78
  
  Maggie, I read the Mexican’s want him.
  
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  January 5, 2021 12:14pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Really? Last we heard they had offered him asylum.
    
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    January 5, 2021 1:08pm
cmm

Best name I’ve seen for CV19 so far:

Sweet and sour sneeze disease.
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January 5, 2021 10:11am
- Fletch
  
  The Kung Flu is still pretty descriptive…
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:21am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I prefer to call it WuPox.
    
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    January 5, 2021 11:40am
    - tf78
      
      I still like the reality of the Newflu.
      
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      January 5, 2021 12:14pm
Maggie Pie

I’ve just been thinking how insignificant Joe Biden really is…..even the fake news doesn’t acknowledge him.
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January 5, 2021 10:23am
- Fletch
  
  Now that he has “won”, the Dems will spit him out like the used husk he is…
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:24am
  - curry4me
    
    Fletch: Yes indeed. Then the USA will have its first ‘woman of color’ president.
    
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    January 5, 2021 12:11pm
- SB2
  
  MP, to be fair Joe does have the problem of competing with malignant attention seeking narcissist/ toddler.
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:33am
  - Inandout
    
    SB2, please don’t speak of Harris in those terms, after all she is the real President.
    
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    January 5, 2021 11:28am
    - SB2
      
      Ah so you now face reality Trump Lost
      
      Well done!
      
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      January 5, 2021 1:08pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    This your attempt at an autobiography, SB2? Needs more work.
    
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    January 5, 2021 11:40am
RJ

Lin wood dropped some interesting tweets. I’d like to hope they were a story, but I’m sure many know it isn’t.

https://blogdogcicle.blogspot.com/2021/01/lin-wood-stakes-are-too-high-so-i-did.html

More from Lin on Epstein.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M27I3k-AV6c
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January 5, 2021 10:29am
- SB2
  
  RJ , why should someone has unhinged as her get any kind of attention?
  
  Trumpist Lawyer Lin Wood Goes on Unhinged Rant Suggesting Justice John Roberts Is a Murderous Pedophile
  
  https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumpist-lawyer-lin-wood-goes-031910691.html
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:35am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    And yet, Roberts was on the passenger list of a jet to Pedophile Island, and hosted by “Of course I didn’t hang myself” Epstein…
    
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    January 5, 2021 11:41am
    - RJ
      
      And bill gates was on it several times after Epstein was convicted so was the rapist known as bill clinton.
      
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      January 5, 2021 12:02pm
    - SB2
      
      A “murderous”pedophile??
      
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      January 5, 2021 12:58pm
  - RJ
    
    Gee let’s see, listen to one of the most respected lawyers in the states or read the crap from you, a person who has posted about perving at underage muslims girls
    
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    January 5, 2021 11:55am
    - RJ
      
      Oh and feel free to give any links where roberts denies the accusations and has filed a suit against Lin.
      
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      January 5, 2021 12:01pm
- Inandout
  
  RJ, I am astounded Eppy’s girlfriend is still alive in that prison. What a mine of knowledge that woman holds.
  
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  January 5, 2021 12:00pm
RW Capitalist

I have been watching these media events called vaccination…..
They sit the patient down in a comfy chair..etc and jab them and off they go to much fan fair and applause.
No wonder the roll out is taking so long.
I seem to remember as a kid in the 60’s, we had the nurse come around to give us the measles vaccine (I think), my mother made me have it even though I had already had the measles.
They lined us up, made us roll up our right sleeve,…Then faster than the world darts championship it was jab jab jab a school of about 500 done in a morning.
Again…what is taking so long?
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January 5, 2021 10:34am
- kowtow
  
  In the UK there’s literally 10’s of thousands of retired medicos ready and willing to come back “to the front lines” ( as the media warringly puts it )
  
  But many can’t because the NHS requires that they provide something like 20 pieces of evidence to show they have done courses such as Prevent Radicalism , fire safety , data security .
  
  Letters to the editor from people who want to help cite it’s next to impossible to get anywhere with volunteering at the NHS ,one retired doctor in a letter to the Telegraph said he was sent to direct traffic inn a car park!
  
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  January 5, 2021 11:26am
SB2

RJ , Don Beckett and KB’s Trump fan base ,

wakey, wakey,

FACT CHECK: GEORGIA SENATE MASQUERADES FAILED TREASURE HUNTER AS HACKER AND ELECTION SECURITY EXPERT

ATLANTA)-Yesterday, during a Georgia State Senate hearing, failed treasure hunter, J. Hutton Pulitzer, or Commander Pulitzer (no record of military experience), claimed that he had “hacked” Georgia’s voting system. The treasure hunter provided no evidence during the Senate hearing that he had done so, only claiming it had happened.

https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/fact_check_georgia_senate_masquerades_failed_treasure_hunter_as_hacker_and_election_security_expert
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January 5, 2021 10:50am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Fact check:
  
  “Trump pressures Georgia’s Raffensperger to overturn his defeat in extraordinary call” read the headline from the Washington Post.
  
  CNN called the leaked audio “astonishing new evidence of a desperate President Donald Trump” trying to “steal the election,” claiming Trump “tried to bully” Raffensperger “into finding votes” for him.
  
  But a review of the transcript of the call shows no such thing. The Washington Post claimed that Trump “repeatedly urged [Raffensperger] to alter the outcome of the presidential vote in the state,” but that isn’t what happened.
  
  Throughout the conversation, Trump lays out the evidence that there was voter fraud in the state, and demands an honest accounting of the ballots, which he believes would give him more than 11,000 votes needed to win the state. “I just want to find 11,780 votes,” is the key quote cited by the media, but there’s more to the quote.
  
  “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state,” is what Trump said, in context. He also insisted that “there’s no way I lost Georgia. There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”
  
  During the conversation, Trump laid out the evidence, explaining how there “4,502 voters who voted but who weren’t on the voter registration list,” and “18,325 vacant address voters” whose votes should not have been counted. He even mentioned 904 votes linked to post office boxes, which is also not allowed. Trump also mentioned the State Farm videotape that corresponds to a late-night vote dump of at least 18,000 votes which were counted after Republican poll watchers were told to leave. Trump brought up nearly 5,000 out-of-state votes, 2,326 absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses, and roughly 5,000 votes from dead people. Then there are the suspicious military ballots that went all for Biden.
  
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  January 5, 2021 11:52am
  - SB2
    
    Engelbert Humperdink,
    
    Another fact check,
    
    Raffensperger stands by the contents of his 1-hour call with Trump,
    
    Raffensperger says he ‘never believed’ it appropriate to discuss the election with Trump, hints at probe
    
    The Republican secretary of state also said the call from Trump could warrant an investigation into possible conflicts of interest.
    
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/georgia-s-raffensperger-says-he-never-believed-it-appropriate-speak-n1252724
    
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    January 5, 2021 12:30pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Raffensperger ‘standing by his assertions’ is not a fact check of what was said. But you do you.
      
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      January 5, 2021 1:28pm
      - Batman
        
        As far as any sane person can see, on group of people (such as Raffensperger) have facts, and another group have assertions, lies, and delusional dreams.
        
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        January 5, 2021 4:11pm
    - Fletch
      
      What was not appropriate was his recording the conversation and giving it to the media. What an a-hole.
      
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      January 5, 2021 4:44pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I wondered when the GOP talking points about this call would arrive on Kiwiblog.
    Was it another ‘perfect call’ as well?
    Is the real crime the recording of the president’s call?
    Was the president joking, or being sarcastic?
    
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    January 5, 2021 1:50pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    BTW, when you cut and paste from other blogs, it is customary to cite and/or link to your source. Otherwise there is a risk that the complete bullshit written by someone else will be attributed to you.
    
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    January 5, 2021 4:19pm
- RJ
  
  What a moron, treasure hunter, I suggest you research who he is. And stop directing pots at me, I hate people that perv at underage children as you have posted on this blog that you did at st Luke’s mall with Muslim girls
  
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  January 5, 2021 12:04pm
  - SB2
    
    RJ , as I posted recently, J. Hutton Pulitzer, inventor of one of the worst tech inventions ever , the Cuecat that lost investors millions.
    
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    January 5, 2021 12:26pm
  - Swifty
    
    He fixates.
    
    It’s the cause of most of his problems.
    
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    January 5, 2021 12:42pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It seems to me that quite a few folks on this blog are fixated on him. I can’t understand the attraction myself, but people are strange.
      
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      January 5, 2021 1:51pm
      - Swifty
        
        Oh that’s easy – because 99% of your posts are just snide and sarcastic digs at other posters you have never been a target of his.
        
        If you were you might have a different opinion.
        
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        January 5, 2021 4:37pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You seem to be an apologist and a deflector for his foul behaviour.
        
        You’re never far off the scene when he’s leaving his smears….. tho’ admittedly you kept a low profile when stephieboy/SB2 threw the Alt-righter, racist, neo-nazi shit at me.
        
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        January 5, 2021 4:51pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh, boo hoo. Stephieboy didn’t get away with anything many other commenters were also doing. He simply got called out for it more because his comments are outside the mainstream of Kiwiblog opinion, and often very stupid as well. It seems to me that there is no shortage of people calling him out, and downticking and reporting his comments.
        
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        January 5, 2021 5:57pm
RJ

Idiots

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) finished the first daily congressional prayer of the new session with the words “amen and awoman” on Sunday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cleaver-concludes-congressional-prayer-with-amen-and-awoman/ar-BB1ct2JW
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January 5, 2021 11:03am
fernglas

It seems that the Georgian Secretary of State thinks Donald Trump is a liar
https://twitter.com/DianneG/status/1346186816563662850/photo/1
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January 5, 2021 11:06am
- NK
  
  He doesn’t need to “think” it.
  
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  January 5, 2021 11:40am
RJ

NEW: Statement from Acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller.

“Due to the recent threats issued by Iranian leaders against President Trump + other U.S. government officials, I have ordered the USS Nimitz to halt its routine redeployment. The USS Nimitz will now remain on station in the U.S. Central Command area of operations. No one should doubt the resolve of the United States of America.” CONTEXT: READ – Senior GOV official on death GEN Suleimani first reported

https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1345908862910607361
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January 5, 2021 11:13am
oldfella

Under the heading of ‘more woke crap’, the BBC has just slapped a health warning on one of its greatest sitcoms, ‘Dad’s Army’ which can be seen here on YouTube.
Before airing a 1971 Christmas special of the classic sitcom, it issued a warning on BBC iPlayer: ‘Contains discriminatory language which some may find offensive.’
The ‘discriminatory language’ in question was the use of the phrase ‘fuzzy-wuzzies’ by the doddery Corporal Jones (played by Clive Dunn) to describe the frizzy-haired warrior enemies the character fought in the Sudan in the late Nineteenth century wars against the Mahdi.surprises me
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/16/rudeness-should-not-be-a-criminal-matter/
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January 5, 2021 11:18am
Gravelroad

So $tuff is running another story today about human excrement and waste products (eg used condoms, toilet paper, nappies) polluting waterways, ocean and beaches – this time in Titahi Bay, Wellington.
Come on people, where’s the outrage?
What do your elected local body councils have to say about this terrible state of affairs?
You know: the councils which have whole departments populated with dozens (and in some cases hundreds) of very well paid professional “environmental experts” who spend their time visiting farms (with no notice given), inspecting , monitoring, regulating, prosecuting and fining them big money if they see any livestock in a waterway.
Why are the Green Party and environmental activists so silent on urban based pollution?
@cowslivesmatter
FarmersRus
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January 5, 2021 11:21am
- redflagged
  
  They are busy justifying why it’s societies fault and justified for criminals to burn down jails, steal cars, shoot at Police and other gangs and commit crime.
  
  Getting people to take or promote personal responsibility for their actions and decisions is taboo and far to anti-Marxist of an idea.
  
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  January 5, 2021 12:00pm
- rouppe
  
  I know. I saw the current mayor – who is turning into another disappointment – saying that “someone else” has to do a sturdy first blah blah.
  
  It’s utter nonsense. Here’s a plan of action:
  1) investigate all the illegal sewage systems coming out of the boat sheds and disconnect them
  2) the capacity problem with the water treatment plant stems from over flowing when it rains. Well that says storm water to me, which should not be in the sewer system. So start tracking up the lines where excessive water comes from when it rains. Nail the offenders.
  
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  January 5, 2021 12:22pm
- cmm
  
  Do you really think they should be diverting the money spent on cycleways to nowhere into services?
  
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  January 5, 2021 2:00pm
Maggie Pie

My partner has said on a number occasions, that US Congresswoman Lauren Boebert “….really is his kind of gal”.

He finds her even more attractive than Jacinda.

https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1345891049584132097
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January 5, 2021 11:40am
- Observer of Life
  
  Dear God that woman looks like our Saviour!! But Boebert comes across as a little more sincere/real.
  
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  January 5, 2021 4:32pm
I remember when

We have just had a Morepork move into the neighbourhood. Or, at least, started announcing his presence.
Have named him Captain Cook as he seems to be proclaiming the neighbourhood as his territory.
Last night he called, almost continuously, for over an hour from various points.
This morning the local Endemic, Native, Introduced and Vagrant population has been all a twitter.
It seems that the area has already been settled.
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January 5, 2021 11:43am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, usually a harbinger for a death, according to Maori lore.
  
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  January 5, 2021 12:06pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    We have morepork calls pretty much every night. I guess it’s a safe bet someone will die every so often.
    
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    January 5, 2021 12:54pm
    - Inandout
      
      Alan, I tend to think the belief came from pre settler times when warring tribes would regularly plunder other tribes. If an attacker mimicked a morepork the sleeping village may think all was kapai. CCTV and motion alarms came later.
      
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      January 5, 2021 1:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The version I heard was someone will die if the Morepork lands on your roof
    
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    January 5, 2021 1:41pm
    - Inandout
      
      Steve, was that why the Waikeria mob headed for the prison rooftop?
      
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      January 5, 2021 1:43pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Nah.. it’s the fantail coming into your house and doing a couple of laps that’s a harbinger of death. I don’t think the morepork is guilty of bringing death to your door.
    
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    January 5, 2021 4:24pm
    - Inandout
      
      OoL. No the fantail is just bad luck so must exit the same way it flew in to prevent that happening. And if you cut your foot on a rusty nail, bury the nail to prevent infection. Well that is the folklore anyway.
      
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      January 5, 2021 8:25pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Very nice! We have a resident Barred Owl that usually calls for 30 – 60 minutes each evening around dusk when I’m feeding the horses. If only he’d do something about the rodents in my barn…
  
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  January 5, 2021 2:06pm
  - MFD
    
    You need a barn owl for that.
    
    Nothing quite like the sounds of owls calling at night.
    
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    January 5, 2021 8:04pm
Nickc2

Oh, distractions aplenty, all will take the heat off Mallard:

Prisoner’s burn down their Jail,
Gang members shoot at police. No arrests,
Public riots in Whangamata,
Shit in Auckland Harbour,
Maori steal privately owned land. Govt buys it for them.
Maori and Pasifika want Govt to continue feeding their kids during School Holidays,
Hate speech regulations are on the way,
Minister of Corrections fails to front up at burning down of Waikeria Jail, and
PM fails to condemn the burning down of Govt. assets.

Feel free to add to the list.
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January 5, 2021 11:58am
- MFD
  
  Apostrophe abusers assault the English language.
  
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  January 5, 2021 3:50pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    As do those unnecessary capitalizations of common nouns.
    
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    January 5, 2021 4:29pm
    - MFD
      
      Come on now, Mike. Where is your sense of whimsy? At least I managed some alliteration.
      
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      January 5, 2021 7:59pm
- MCos
  
  In the meantime a quarter of a billion dollars of public money money is thrown at the America’s Cup that could be used to improve the stormwater & sewerage systems which are contributing to the polluted beaches.
  All that money and our boat has hardly any races.
  
  NZ has a child poverty problem that is used as a cudgel to pound various governments by all and sundry.
  Someone does something and out comes the criticism.
  
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  January 5, 2021 4:18pm
cmm

I see the Guardian (yup, I should know better) is running a hysterical article by an Oxfam activist about the terrible state of Mozambique.

Mozambique is a basket case due mainly to their incompetence and inability to do anything for themselves since the Portuguese left in 1975.

Yes, they were certainly clobbered by a cyclone just over a year back but that in itself was not enough to do damage on its own. What is really the issue is that they have no ability to rebuild anything. Their main cities & infrastructure are still ravaged by damage caused during the 1970s/80s civil wars.

The Oxfam noddy blames this on sea level rise. I’m not sure how sea level rise is supposed to have but shell holes in the buildings or caused rivers in the highlands to have overflowed their banks.

“The Golden Peacock, however, is pristine. Also known as Chinatown, this gated complex near the airport includes a five-star hotel (with a Chinese restaurant, spa and casino), villas for rental, shops and an amusement park for children.”. So a bit of organisation can fix things. Why can’t the rest of Mozambique?

Of course there’s a bit of white guit in it: “The IMF has told rich countries, which have created the lion’s share of the warming so far, that they must do more to help. ”

Sorry sweetie, the problem is lack of organisation and corruption. None of this can be blamed on warming.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/02/the-sea-is-rising-the-climate-is-changing-the-lessons-learned-from-mozambiques-deadly-cyclone
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January 5, 2021 11:58am
- Nickc2
  
  Oxfam eh? Wasn’t that where Phil Twyford served his internship? Says a great deal about Oxfam doesn’t it?
  
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  January 5, 2021 12:05pm
- Inandout
  
  cmm, Chinese employees in Africa generally are kept apart from the locals.
  
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  January 5, 2021 12:08pm
  - cmm
    
    Indeed, the New Colonialists are unlikely to really bring much value to these countries.
    
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    January 5, 2021 2:18pm
- SB2
  
  cmm, nothing that a big dose of apartheid would cure!
  
  Yes?
  
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  January 5, 2021 1:01pm
  - cmm
    
    Tiresome stephie, tiresome.
    
    Unfortunately people rushed to replace colonial/white rule without first ensuring there was something to keep things functioning.
    
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    January 5, 2021 1:56pm
    - Swifty
      
      I don’t know how you put up with it.
      
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      January 5, 2021 2:11pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sure. It’s all the fault of the conquered and colonized people. If only they had exerted themselves more while under colonial tutelage.
      
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      January 5, 2021 2:17pm
    - SB2
      
      cmm, unfortunately the Portuguese empire in Africa collapsed as unworkable and economically unsustainable.
      
      Portugal was not in a position to oversee a transition that would meet your demands.
      
      On 25 April 1974, Portugal’s right-wing dictatorship finally collapsed in a bloodless coup, which became known as the Carnation Revolution. For over a decade, Lisbon had been fighting in Portuguese Guinea, Angola, and Mozambique, all to keep control of its five-century-old African empire.
      
      Apartheid South Africa and the Collapse of the Portuguese
      
      https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/apartheid-south-africa-and-the-collapse-the-portuguese-empire.
      
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      January 5, 2021 4:10pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Do you have a comprehension problem, SB2, or is it just a failing memory?
    
    On a number of occasions you have tried to associate cmm with South Africa’s Apartheid regime.
    
    He has told you clearly he is not an adherent of or an apologist for Apartheid
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/08/general_debate_28_august_2020.html#comment-2789352
    
    But still you persist with trying to link cmm with apartheid in an underhand manner.
    
    Why do the moderators always expect those of us who do not abuse others to defend ourselves against your repeated slurs, smears and lies?
    
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    January 5, 2021 2:08pm
    - Swifty
      
      Damn right.
      
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      January 5, 2021 2:12pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      If the moderators were concerned by lies and slurs, there would be hardly any comments at all!
      
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      January 5, 2021 2:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Well then the moderators need to learn the rules about harassment and cyberbullying.
        
        https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/chapter-28-harassment-and-bullying/cyberbullying-protections-against-online-digital-harassment/
        
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        January 5, 2021 4:47pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Just my observation, of course, but this blog has been much better since moderation of comments was introduced. If you are still aggrieved, perhaps you should complain to Netsafe.
        
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        January 5, 2021 5:51pm
    - SB2
      
      MW, I remain to be convinced given past form!
      
      BTW I’m not in the habit of keeping dossiers on KB posters as some appear to do.
      
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      January 5, 2021 4:05pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Why would anyone keep dossiers when there is a perfectly fine archival system on this website?
        
        However, if you keep forgetting what other posters have written on here, then perhaps you should keep a little dossier file to jog your memory.
        
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        January 5, 2021 5:31pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Better ask the Maori pardy.
    
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    January 5, 2021 2:53pm
- Inandout
  
  cmm, Oxfam is a bit like UNICEF with their exploitation of locals.
  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48593401
  
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  January 5, 2021 1:48pm
lazza

Quote:

“And all those who took part in the riot (or “prison disorder event” as one of Davis’ staff described it) should lose any eligibilty for parole on the sentences they are currently serving.

Thumb up 45 Thumb down 1REPLY REPORTJANUARY 5, 2021 7:40AM”

Fat chance ehh?

And you know what!

This is just the beginning folks … of the socialist’s grand social and soft on crime experiments.

A useless mob with “really” dangerous pollies like “Little” … & dopey ones (start with Kelv) are on a roll.

A CGT in some stupid disguise is inevitable given their imminent need for more tax revenues and their uncontrolled & low value approach to government debt and expenditures

Be very afraid.
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January 5, 2021 12:18pm
- cmm
  
  Quite.
  
  Now they’re starting to get worried that an innocent bystander might get hurt.
  
  Well Duh!
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/deadly-gang-tensions-only-a-matter-of-time-before-member-of-public-is-shot/PBXFGN4TCVP2CYRMVZCQ4WTNV4/
  
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  January 5, 2021 2:09pm
kowtow

Under the heading “you couldn’t make this up”

‘Democrat Representative Emanuel Cleaver has provoked fury by closing a congressional prayer with the words ‘amen and a woman’.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9110665/Democrat-congressman-ends-prayer-saying-Amen-woman-bid-gender-neutral.html
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January 5, 2021 12:51pm
- MFD
  
  And yet they completely ignore the fact that a bunch of politicians responsible for the governance of the US are beseeching an imaginary deity.
  
  Blessed are the cheese makers.
  
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  January 5, 2021 4:00pm
- curry4me
  
  kowtow: Mans a fool. Amen is Aramaic for so be it.
  
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  January 5, 2021 6:02pm
Stu2

Anyone think a proper president phones the chief election official and suggests they find 11,780 votes ?
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January 5, 2021 1:06pm
JibberJabber

Cactus one of the few Bloggers left not afraid to call it as she sees it,

https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/01/maori-activists-now-run-prisons-kelvin.html

This is not a race issue, most Maori are not in jail. They do not have anything to do with the criminal justice system. This is a power play on Jacinda Ardern and her Labour majority by fringe left Maori activists using hard thugs as their sponsored gangsters.

This is nothing but a cash and power grab by “Human Rights” lawyers who are apparatchik’s of far left “kill a white” Maori. Expect Golriz to appear from her holiday with the unfunny Comedian to comment.
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January 5, 2021 1:23pm
Andrei

How come the people who think lockdowns are good for us and we should all stay home for everyone’s good don’t obey their own dictats?
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January 5, 2021 1:28pm
- MCos
  
  What do you mean ‘us’, Kemosabe?
  That happened in Scotland.
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Everyone has been looking for this card – found it.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jg9uf9vcm844r72/card.jpg?dl=0
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January 5, 2021 2:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well at least 4 idiots do not know how to play poker – so far
  
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  January 5, 2021 3:14pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You might flush out a few more Jokers.
    Wanna bet on it?
    
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    January 5, 2021 3:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone counting how many homicide investigations are underway at the moment?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123869190/homicide-investigation-under-way-after-mans-death
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January 5, 2021 2:16pm
- SB2
  
  MW, nope! But a sample comparsion with this time in 2017 could be useful.
  
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  January 5, 2021 4:17pm
I remember when

Is there any difference.
US: Population 331,848,989 Covid Deaths 361,680
Using combined figures for the most affected 15 European nations.
EU: Population 321,848,989 Covid Deaths 357,671
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January 5, 2021 2:18pm
- MCos
  
  Very little difference.
  They’re all equally useless, although some are more equal than others.
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:52pm
Nickc2

Kamala Harris has form. Unfortunately, it won’t get her impeached.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/01/kamala-harris-has-form-for-stealing-.html
AFIK, nothing happened to Materia Turei either. Politics has it’s perks I guess.
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January 5, 2021 2:33pm
- Inandout
  
  Nick, she is a politician, lying bastards the lot. The pricks have an answer for everything.
  
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  January 5, 2021 5:40pm
  - Nickc2
    
    IMO her mother in law was aiding and betting the crime and nothing happened to her AFIK. Corruption free NZ? YEA, RIGHT.
    
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    January 5, 2021 9:18pm
- MCos
  
  Is that it?
  
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  January 5, 2021 9:01pm
fightingtemeraire

I think the Kelvinator better start building a v large Max Security Prison at Waikeria for the many many long term guests they will be expecting from the Gangs and 501s
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January 5, 2021 2:34pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Do you really think that will happen before the Nats get back in?
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:28pm
Maggie Pie

Just back from tennis. Sweating like a gypsy with a mortgage.
One of the girls was saying her hubby is a Doctor with a large city practice. They’re currently finding it very difficult to engage Locums. Apparently, she reckons the guvmint have contracted about a hundred or so GP’s to work 8 hour shifts at the various Managed I&Q facilities. They’re being paid $2500 a day, courtesy of me and you.

Nice work if you can get it 😀
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January 5, 2021 4:03pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Another well kept secret from MOH.
  
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  January 5, 2021 6:05pm
  - MCos
    
    If MP is to be believed . . . . . . .
    
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    January 5, 2021 8:46pm
- Martin Williams
  
  Danger pay. They have to test all those scumbags returning from Borisville.
  
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  January 5, 2021 7:55pm
dave_c_

Ha – more evidence that this covid nonsense is being managed according to the elite’s agenda.
“No idea whether the borders can be opened by October” – marching in lock-step with the rest of the world and to the same timelines.
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January 5, 2021 4:16pm
- cmm
  
  The line I keep on hearing from my US colleagues is that they’re stuck until they get a vaccine.
  
  When I asked if they think the vaccine is going to be effective the answers were of the form: “Who cares? All that matters is that once I get a vaccine shot I can go back to work.”
  
  No doubt once you’ve had the first then you’ll need a second for the UK flavour and then…
  
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  January 5, 2021 5:10pm
cmm

Simeone Brown is pushing for cops to have more powers to tackle gangs. This is just tub thumping nonsense.

“The law change would allow police to issue violent gang members with special orders preventing them from holding a firearm licence or being in the presence of a firearm.”

Well that might sound good for the muggles but cops can already prevent unsuitable people from holding a firearm license.

They don’t need MORE laws. They just need is to just use the laws they already have. By “they” I don’t just mean the cops. I mean the whole bloody system.

If they don’t apply the existing laws then why would anyone think they’ll apply the new (harsher) laws?

How is it that this latest gang guy that got 15 months is out in 73 days?

Why do cops let criminals take them on a hour and a half slow speed chase of Chirstchurch during which civilians were endangered?

C’mon plod. You don’t need new laws and toys until you demonstrate that you’ve used the current toys and they are insufficient.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gang-shooting-trio-in-court-on-raft-of-charges-after-mongrel-mob-leaders-son-shot-in-north-canterbury-incident/SUIYDENETQTX6IA2ZCN5E6F7YQ/
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January 5, 2021 4:31pm
- Inandout
  
  cmm, you are correct, National are just as much to blame for the gang situation. They are all talk and no do. If a Police Commissioner had the guts to say enough is enough and get his staff to come down hard on gangs, there is nothing the Labour cartel could do about it. He couldn’t be sacked because the Police are supposed to be independent, and he could sue them if they tried to ease him out. Of course soft judges could side with the crims but that would soon become obvious. Remember Gideon Tait?
  
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  January 5, 2021 5:33pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  cmm, you are reporting facts. And truth. And logic. Downtick(s) will invariably follow 🙂
  
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  January 5, 2021 10:42pm
greybeard

Brendan McCullum: over 300 vs India
Kane Williamson: over 200 vs Pakistan
Yeah right.
Who on earth would trust the scorecards of cricket matches when India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka or Bangla Desh are involved ?
Lots of money being made in the East today !
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January 5, 2021 4:39pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Very difficult to fix individual scores in a match. The spot fixing merchants generally go for easier things, like arranging a no-ball at a specific moment.
  
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  January 5, 2021 5:49pm
  - MCos
    
    NZ should have declared on 666. That portends ill fortune in some parts of Asia.
    In Thailand people gamble on auspicious numbers e.g. Kane Williamson’s score would be a popular lottery number. Car number plates featuring winning totals could trade for big bucks.
    The PM might give Mitchell a new ute.
    
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    January 5, 2021 6:40pm
Maggie Pie

I hate cricket. But when I saw Captain Mainwaring’s wife’s comment the other day, about the state of Kane Williamson’s beard, I thought I’d check it out for myself.

Reminded me of my partner’s mum laying on our sunlounger wearing her one-piece swimsuit 😛
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January 5, 2021 4:49pm
- kowtow
  
  I’m not sure that he’s the ideal poster boy for Gillette .
  
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  January 5, 2021 4:52pm
- Bung Fizzer
  
  Between you, me, and the reamers gate post hun/darl. I’m smooth as. I even bleach my nether regions whilst dancing to the Netherworld dancing toys.
  
  For 2day babes, I remember your smiles 🙂 xoxox
  
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  January 5, 2021 6:01pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Attn: MODS…..Re: Bung Fizzer
  
  Can you please check whether Sir Bob is now logging in here under a fake ID in order to make infantile comments on my posts?
  
  Sounds very much like the sort of thing the silly old coot would do.
  
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  January 5, 2021 6:30pm
  - Bung Fizzer
    
    C’mon Mags. Take a joke. You can give it but you can’t hack it.
    
    No, I’m not Bob Jones. Just having a laff. Zip it sweety
    
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    January 5, 2021 6:47pm
  - Bung Fizzer
    
    BTW Mags, “infantile comments on my posts” are subjective.
    
    I’m joking at you, not with you.
    
    ps: I’m not Sir Bob Jones as much as you’re not Lady Godiva.
    
    🙂
    
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    January 5, 2021 7:01pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Dear o Dear ‘Bunghole’ …..baited you like an old fish and you took it HOOK LINE & SINKER
      LOL!!
      
      Just show’s you shouldn’t play with the big girls – ya never know what you’re getting into 😛
      
      (BTW – who mentioned Sir Robert Jones?)
      
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      January 5, 2021 9:32pm
      - Bung Fizzer
        
        Hey babe, how’s the melons hanging?
        
        “(BTW – who mentioned Sir Robert Jones?)”???
        
        Oh my goodness my fair weathered munchkin.
        It’s all in the detail my lovely jubly bundle of passionate joy.
        
        Let’s just reminisce for ol’ langs sine and pretend you didn’t mention from your original comment ” Can you please check whether Sir Bob is now logging in here under a fake ID in order to make infantile comments on my posts?”
        
        Oh my goodness, the plot thickens and a stirring in my loins are beyond the breaking point my love.
        
        My levees breaking my cherub.
        
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        January 5, 2021 10:01pm
- Bung Fizzer
  
  I’ll give you the last word Mags.
  
  “Reminded me of my partner’s mum laying on our sunlounger wearing her one-piece swimsuit ?”
  
  Have you ever seen the under arm bowl/bowel incident? I don’t know about you Mags but the under arm hair was a step too far.
  
  ps, whattaboutism with Greg Chappels beard?
  
  pss: Smelly nelly from little house on the Praire had a better run up.
  
  Just sharing with the group hun xoxox
  
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  January 5, 2021 7:27pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/300198336/kiwi-coastal-property-buyers-ignoring-climate-change-threat-expert-says
I would be very interested to know if the attributed author of this article, Mr. Ripu Bhatia, asked the subject if he actually owned a coastal property. Or more than one.
And if so how did the subject of the article reconcile his comments with his current real estate situation.
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January 5, 2021 5:54pm
- curry4me
  
  greybeard: St Greta, and Al Gore would be beleivable if beach front real estate prices were to crash. Or if they became uninsurable. They haven’t, and they won’t
  
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  January 5, 2021 5:58pm
  - rouppe
    
    Al Gore would be believable if he didn’t own ocean side property.
    
    Same with Obama.
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:24pm
lazza

The Bulgarian Post Office and the Labour Government have something in common.

Neither is capable of … “wait for it” … Delivering a letter.

Their communism /socialism is pretty common to both as well.
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January 5, 2021 6:41pm
Monique Watson

A great article on The Atlantic on the Sedition Caucus:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/what-republicans-are-doing-worse-treason/617538/

And I see Kinzinger got up Levin’s nose one too many times and Levin fired off at him. Kinzinger fires back calling the Fox host the “Godfather of outrage for profit”. Nice.
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January 5, 2021 7:27pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Good article.
  
  no mask was thick enough to protect Pence from the pathogen of fear
  
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  January 5, 2021 8:51pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    …no mask had enough capacity to protect Mikey from the pathogen of stupidity. FIFY.
    
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    January 5, 2021 10:43pm
Stu2

Some time ago I predicted that the USA was going to run out of hospital capacity for Covid cases.

LA county has deflected some of those decisions to the ambulance crews:

“The situation in L.A. County hospitals is so critical that ambulance crews have been advised to try to cut back on their use of oxygen and not to bring to hospitals patients who have virtually no chance of survival. Officials now say they need to focus on patients with a greater chance of surviving”
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January 5, 2021 8:06pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Nigel Farage just Tweeted a video saying that Tony Blair should be put in charge of the UK vaccine roll out, LOL. No one saw that coming.
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