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Happychappy

What a piece of crap weak knees Kelvin Davis is, it was alright when he was in opposition to call out National with his lies and deceit but when it is the opposition’s turn to call out Kelvin Davis for his weak leadership and irresponsible behavior for being found wanting and nowhere to be seen tactics over this riot he prefers to blame National again for his own misgivings.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/01/waikeria-prison-majority-of-rioters-are-mongols-and-comancheros-gang-members-corrections-minister-kelvin-davis.html
Another poor choice by Jacinda Ardern in her selection of a Minister or is it he’s the best of a bad lot that like many others does not know the meaning of “Responsibility “.
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January 4, 2021 8:01am
- artemisia
  
  Minister Kelvin Davis probably made the right choice in deciding not to front up. No doubt under orders.
  
  But the optics were terrible.
  
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  January 4, 2021 8:37am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The “right choice” in terms of not embarrassing himself and his party any further than he does whenever he opens his voice, perhaps.
    
    The right choice for the rule of law, for the preservation of public property and for the taxpayers of New Zealand?
    
    Not so much.
    
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    January 4, 2021 9:37am
  - Ruahine
    
    I just wonder whose orders Kelvin Davis was complying with. Sounds like he was under orders from the Mongols and the Comancheros. Labour are of course friends of the gangs because of all the good work they do in society.
    
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    January 4, 2021 9:53am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Yes, this newly-minted Govt might need some serious communication strategizing over the coming year – on a number of levels.
    
    Thank goodness they have a Communications graduate leading it….
    
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    January 4, 2021 10:05am
  - pdm
    
    Arty – someone would have had to tell him, probably Robbo.
    He woukd never have worked it out for himself.
    
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    January 4, 2021 10:34am
  - tedbear
    
    Yes and I read that Kelvin Davis said he wouldn’t intervene with the protestors at Waikeria Prison.
    Odd eh, Ardern had no worries intervening with the protestors at Otumoetai.
    
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    January 4, 2021 12:36pm
- Scott
  
  I think what we are seeing is a pattern of behaviour. The weak response to prison riots being allowed to go on for days. Maori party “negotiators” being sent in that clearly favour the prisoners. No action taken to restore law and order.
  It’s consistent with previous behaviour. Ihaumato protestors being allowed to occupy private land, Shelley Bay the same, Maori roadblocks during covid lock down allowed to stop and question motorists and block them from the state highway.
  
  Let’s face it. There is one rule for Maori and one rule for everybody else. In our socialist paradise of Aotearoa everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.
  
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  January 4, 2021 8:47am
  - peterwn
    
    The outcome in my opinion was the best of a bad deal. Firstly no substantive concessions were granted to the prisoners, that was extremely important. If they had been, there would have been problems in other prisons. Secondly, by not dealing with the situation by brute force, Corrections avoided criticism of ill treatment etc. The prisoners involved now potentially suffer ‘downsides’. They will be held in higher security classification (with longer lockdown periods), in institutions further away from relatives. They will have an additional cumulative sentence imposed and while that may be mainly symbolic, they would in practice have to wait much longer for parole.
    I consider the Corrections Minister was right not to intervene (which seemed to be the situation) since any Corrections Minister would not have the expertise or skills for handling such situations. Similarly I do not think National MP’s could have contributed anything positive and should not have attempted to visit the prison even though they were entitled to under the law). The Maori Party co-leader might have achieved some reconciliation so his visit was justified (the late Kevin Ryan QC was called upon to settle down prison issues in Auckland which he did with apparent success). However the Minister definitely needs to be involved in the aftermath. Of particular concern is whether there were circumstances which led to the trouble which were because the prison was not being properly run especially with prisoners not being provided with things they were supposed to be provided with. It seems that while many claims are unlikely to be substantiated, there are possibly some valid claims in the mix.
    
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    January 4, 2021 10:26am
  - pdm
    
    Lucky for me I do not live in this mythical place called Aotearoa.
    I live in New Zealand.
    
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    January 4, 2021 10:37am
    - giltee
      
      Aotearoa: the biggest post colonial myth implanted into the history of New Zealand.
      
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      January 4, 2021 6:35pm
  - Bob
    
    This all a prelude to hoe NZ will be governed once Maori get their desired parallel government installed in Parliament, probably during this term of the Adern weakness.
    
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    January 4, 2021 12:00pm
- Swifty
  
  “…. those who waded into the issue in order to generate headlines only helped to embolden them…”
  
  And which is EXACTLY what Labour MPs did on a weekly, often daily, basis 2008-17.
  
  I do hope that when this government falls those who replace it will show the backbone and steel necessary to laugh at and pour scorn on Labour MPs who attempt to create new political beat ups.
  
  What are political beat ups? Every single issue which meets the following criteria:
  
  1. Was a supposed ‘crisis’ when National were in and the subject of daily news media coverage, often with Labour MPs leading the charge; and
  
  2. Still exists today, and is often worse; and
  
  3. You never, or almost never, hear about it today in the news media.
  
  I can think of tens of issues which fit the bill.
  
  The absolute classic in my view was the TPPA. It was to be the end of civilisation as we knew it, but then Labour got in, changed a clause or two, slapped a new label on it and passed it otherwise unchanged – and all the marches in the streets, hikoi, media outlets all suddenly, and dutifully, went quiet.
  
  It was a total beat up from the get go – and shows, to me, exactly why Labour was so quick to throw our money at news media organisations since Covid’s arrival.
  
  They are hand and glove.
  
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  January 4, 2021 8:48am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yes agree Swifty regarding TPP. In all honesty it was not explained very well by National and by doing so treated avg NZers as being not worthy of all the information.
    Much the same as Americans under Obama and hence Democrats lost by not treating the average voter with respect .
    Anyway the TPP was only about “who writes the rules” and how business is conducted in the region. China or the West,
    You would be foolish not to think all our Pacific countries are not infected with Chinese influence ( Much the same as Africa) and the TPP was a way to enforce “democratic” values and trade.
    This was never explained logically hence all the Union ( Teachers mostly ) members protesting and scaremongering etc.
    As I explained to one such protester, Instead of spending 3 hrs protesting ( with kids in tow) How about reading about whats it really about.
    I mean the information is out there if so inclined to find it.
    
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    January 4, 2021 10:57am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is weird that he is deputy leader but not deputy PM. He is kind of being a willing partner to his own humiliation by his colleagues. Any strong politician would have said to the PM “I’m going to be deputy PM or I’m going to resign and go to the backbench”. I think this guy knows he is not up to any job as a Minister. But his alternative career probably pays a quarter of what he gets paid now.
  
  I guess if he continues to screw up, his next appointment will be “Minister for weird stuff nobody cares about” which is where Phil Twyford has been banished to.
  
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  January 4, 2021 8:53am
  - artemisia
    
    Stepping down from the deputy leadership – there would have been quiet chats. The next leader, hopefully Prime Minister, has been chosen.
    
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    January 4, 2021 9:34am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Kelvin doesn’t want a bar of actually being Deputy PM (but is happy to be the Party’s deputy leader).
    
    Cindy in a puff of woke kindness – reinforced by liberal academics and media who are enthralled by her refreshing ‘new politics’ – have said all is good & righteous
    
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    January 4, 2021 11:03am
  - redflagged
    
    Minister for Weird Poetry perhaps?
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300135547/election-2020-kelvin-davis-convoluted-bizarre-election-night-poem
    
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    January 4, 2021 1:31pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Education?
    
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    January 4, 2021 11:45pm
- Nickc2
  
  I think Kelvin knows where the bodies are buried and he is too high up in the Maori movement within the Labour Party for Cindy or anyone else for that matter to take action against him. He appears to be bulletproof at the moment.
  
  As Cindy was in NZ during the blatant destruction of Waikeria prison, why was she not present? As usual, the MSM is protecting her arse.
  
  From this, we taxpayers can logically conclude our asset known as NZ could be burnt to the ground and Cindy wouldn’t get off her arse.
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:30am
  - Paulus
    
    With her majority Cindy does not care a stuff about what anybody, not in her media paid group, so suck it up peasants.
    She is the Queen remember.
    
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    January 4, 2021 3:04pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yes. 53% of the people are happy for that to happen. So why she would even get up from her seat?
    
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    January 4, 2021 9:46pm
- cmm
  
  They’re mainly mongols and comancheros eh?
  
  Running interference for Wally’s mates – the Mob – again…
  
  According to $1uff there were 7 different gangs represented in the Brave Sixteen. Guarantee there were a few Mobsters in there too…
  
  I see there ware also 5 deportees from Oz. These are the people PriNZess, Andy etc are telling us are wonderful fathers that are being taken away from their families in Oz. The buggers are straight into crime and back in prison without even time to unpack their suitcases.
  
  These are not legitimate people with legitimate grievances. They are the scum of the earth. No wonder Oz doesn’t want them.
  
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  January 4, 2021 10:55am
  - ISeeRed
    
    It saddens me to see the gradual undoing of our once great little country.
    
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    January 4, 2021 11:45am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I am left astounded by Jacinda arguing that Australia should allow horrible criminal New Zealand citizens to remain in Australia. Next time she brings it up Scomo should tell her to STFU and if you are going to keep this up dont bother coming back. And don’t call me.
    
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    January 4, 2021 12:05pm
  - kowtow
    
    No , they’re all “big teddy bears” and softies .
    
    Meanwhile shootings in Canterbury .
    
    ‘Canterbury police have issued a district-wide arming order for frontline police following a double shooting in Kaiapoi.’
    
    Will Paddy Gower set out ,intrepidly, to root out the deep seated , systemic whatever it is that really blights the length and breadth of this country ……..will assorted Luvvies set up their own private monitoring of social media to shine a light on this …….will we get a slew of law changes to make us all “safer” ……..will the media examine , with public soul searching their own role in helping to make the country such a systemically violent ,drug addled cesspit of domestic violence and standoverism ……
    
    ……a country fit for criminals.
    
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    January 4, 2021 12:20pm
- oldfella
  
  Chris Trotter gets out the long baton and gives Kelvin a well deserved beating…
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  AS WORD OF Rawiri Waititi’s successful intervention in the Waikeria Prison stand-off spreads, the Maori Party’s mana will grow significantly. It is difficult to think of a better metaphor with which to illustrate the party’s political mission than its co-leader, under the disdainful gaze of the authorities, leading 16 parched, burned, bleeding but unbroken prisoners out of danger and into safety. Surely, somewhere in New Zealand, a young Maori musician is already composing a song to celebrate Waititi’s success. He’s earned one.
  It is difficult to imagine anyone bothering to write a song for the Corrections Minister, Kelvin Davis. Throughout the six days of the crisis at Waikeria, the Minister maintained an obdurate silence. The resolution of this crisis, New Zealanders were given to understand, was an “operational matter” – something best left to the public servants and corrections officers on the spot. The very same public servants and corrections officers whose actions – and failure to take action – were responsible for sparking the uprising in the first place.
  http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/
  
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  January 4, 2021 11:19am
  - oldfella
    
    I posted the piece from Chis Trotter at 11.19am this morning.
    It’s now 3.17pm – FOUR hours later – and it’s still waiting to be moderated. Really?
    
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    January 4, 2021 3:18pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      What are you going to do? Move on.
      
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      January 4, 2021 9:47pm
- Bob
  
  His deadpan lack of animation and facial expression, whilst reading the ‘scripted autocue’, shows just how cognitively challenged he is with the portfolio.
  
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  January 4, 2021 11:57am
- tf78
  
  New Zealand – the land where the buck never stops.
  
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  January 4, 2021 12:04pm
I remember when

Cameron George Warriors CE:
“Fingers crossed our prime minister looks after us and gets us back home.”
Now that’s what I call a leap of faith!
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January 4, 2021 8:12am
Scooter

Just reading the story of a 6 year old boy Myka Tuala, who died in a car accident in Northland and it raised a few questions. He is described as happy kind and gentle, why would any news item need to say this of a 6 year old?
Also it says “Myka’s personality was a true reflection of the loving family environment he has grown up in”. In other words unlike alot of children in NZ. What’s the real story behind this accident?
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January 4, 2021 8:15am
- Jack5
  
  It’s the feelz – the emotional plug.
  
  Seems to apply to nearly every accidental death report: the deceased was a kind, loving and loved person.
  
  Maybe the journos are on the Wheel of Emotion with an app like this:
  
  https://allthefeelz.app/
  
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  January 4, 2021 8:47am
- MCos
  
  The article wasn’t about the accident.
  
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  January 4, 2021 8:53am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Everyone else in the car survived.
  Was he belted in?
  
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  January 4, 2021 8:55am
  - Scooter
    
    Was he driving?
    
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    January 4, 2021 9:31am
  - Phronesis
    
    Was he in a car seat as required by law? https://www.nzta.govt.nz/safety/vehicle-safety/safety-belts-and-restraints/child-restraints/using-child-restraints-in-new-zealand/
    Very unusual for a properly restrained child in the backseat of a car to come off worst in a head on crash. I suspect the real story here is one of poor decisions and breaking the law leading directly to this child’s death. The driver should be made an example of. As the child was brown, I won’t hold my breath.
    
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    January 4, 2021 12:06pm
  - Faroffsound
    
    I wondered about that. Seemed a bit strange that he was the only fatality.
    
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    January 4, 2021 2:19pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  What leads you to believe he was not happy or loved?
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:00am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    “Methinks they doth protest too much”, mikey.
    
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    January 4, 2021 9:19am
- kowtow
  
  For the past while , and before the new year the ODT has been running road toll stories .
  
  Obviously part of an editorial decision about what to fill their pulp fiction pages with during what is for the media “silly season” when all are on holiday and there’s nothing substantive to report ……..
  
  Which at the moment is far from the truth , there’s plenty to lead the pulp pages with .
  
  The prison riot’s a big one , but that would cast a bad light on their favoured govt and the other story could easily be the rain that has closed so many beaches because so much human shit is being washed out of our cities’ appallingly inferior and neglected infrastructure .
  But that story would divert attention away from the Media Pardy’s fav hate figures , the farmers ( you know the owners of private property , hard working , mainly white males , who actually keep this place solvent) and away from the real environmental culprit , human beings living in mass concentrations ( but you can’t criticise that ) in cities.
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:04am
  - Liberty
    
    “editorial decision about what to fill their pulp fiction”
    
    Next week’s cry of the week will be some sop story that the poor can’t afford school uniforms.
    Conveniently forgetting the state has been paying family support for years. Which would
    Also more than cover the cost of school lunches .
    
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    January 4, 2021 10:11am
    - artemisia
      
      One thing usually getting plenty of MSM airtime this time of year is principals who say they can’t get teachers to fill vacancies. Someone should do something etc.
      
      I guess the teachers have stayed home, or headed home this time round.
      
      Though I have always wondered how much vacancies and lack of applications are down to the school and its principal. There is always the good, the bad and the ugly, to coin a phrase. Someone should do something ….
      
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      January 4, 2021 11:00am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @kowtow: The Herald is reporting today that “dozens” of mainly urban beaches around Auckland are unswimmable due to human waste pollution.
    Not hearing or seeing much emotional outrage or anti human hate speech about this.
    How come?
    @cowslivesmatter
    Farmers R Us
    
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    January 4, 2021 5:35pm
    - chukar
      
      Right GR,
      At least cows don’t excrete cocaine ,meth and synthetic estrogens and about a cocktail of one hundred or more other man made drugs.
      These drugs are having an effect on all life.( male bass fish are producing eggs in certain badly affected rivers.) Other effects include sperm production in modern youth.
      They are not measured or removed from water supplies by present treatment stations.
      Farmed animals don’t drink alcohol or smoke dope either.
      
      Cows for me!
      
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      January 4, 2021 7:39pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Cindy has a plan to fix oceans. That is called Ocean tax.
      
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      January 4, 2021 9:48pm
- igm
  
  Ardern makes Stuff earn their taxpayers’ handouts . . . this article is bullshit
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:31am
- Fletch
  
  They always say that in a news story whenever anyone dies. I’ve noticed it over the last few years. It’s always so-and-so was a great person, loved by all, had a great nature, etc. I’ve never once seen a story reporting that a person died and he was pretty much a scumbag or disliked in any way.
  
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  January 4, 2021 10:29am
hmmokrightitis

Question.

Private land, occupied. St Cindy rides to the rescue, taxpayer screwed again to pay for something that didn’t need paying for, and reduces our collective property rights.

Prison, riot (occupied). No minister even remotely interested in putting down their drink and intervening.

My question?

Will Kane make another ton today 🙂
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January 4, 2021 8:18am
- New Zealander
  
  After Kane led his team in kneeling for the commy racist BLM, I could care less about what the Woke Caps do chasing their little ball around.
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:12am
  - Inandout
    
    NZ, me too after the knees down. I used to quite like following cricket but when they slavishly went down the BLM track I just gave up. When I read what sort of person that Floyd guy was I thought that these cricketers were plain dumb.
    
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    January 4, 2021 9:46am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Oh, they will miss your support…
    /s
    
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    January 4, 2021 10:10am
  - Okahu
    
    Yep, that’s Kiwibloggers for you. Gonna deny yourself the beauty of a Rizwan straight drive or a Southee setup because an expression of decency and community with fellow players a month back is still lodged in the craw. Wow. Ok.
    
    My question. Every time I see that magnificent cricket setting is how come the house is ‘full’ but never more than 20% of the members seats are occupied? Is that because the ‘members’ are the “We’re members at the cricket don’t you know” sorts who don’t actually know possibly the best NZ test cricket team of my lifetime is playing at their venue for the one time this summer? Or perhaps showing direct lineage to one of the first ships, (excluding those in steerage of course) is required to qualify to perch ones buttocks on a level surface? It is Christchurch after all.
    
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    January 4, 2021 10:35am
  - Nostradamus
    
    The answer to Hmmokrightitis’ question was revealed at 5.45pm:
    
    Kane Williamson (rhb) 103* (140 balls)
    His test career record: 6,980*
    
    A true legend!
    
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    January 4, 2021 5:36pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yep, and a ton or better in every test he has played this home summer. Best test batsman on the planet, the stats don’t lie.
      
      By the way I couldn’t care less about his BLM solidarity stuff when the WIndies were here. He’s paid to play cricket and the cricket he plays is sublime. That’s good enough for me.
      
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      January 4, 2021 5:43pm
      - chukar
        
        Let us give him the respect that is his due.
        The only NZ batsman to achieve best in the world!
        
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        January 4, 2021 7:18pm
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Did I agree with it? No.
    
    Does it stop me watching cricket? Also no.
    
    Is Kane our greatest test batsman ever? Im leaning to yes. About to crack 7,000 runs. Averaging 163 this summer, on tricky strips and against good attacks. The flair of Marty Crowe, the solid reliability of a John Wright / Bruce Edgar at their best.
    
    A good time as cricket tragic to be alive and a kiwi 😀
    
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    January 4, 2021 6:40pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Same for me hmmo; the knee stuff was a minor irritation, but I’ve been following New Zealand cricket since the early 1960’s, and I’m not about to give up now.
      
      The current side (with Wagner playing) is the best test side New Zealand has had in my lifetime, and I think we can now say that Williamson is our best batsman ever. 24 centuries and an additional 31 times past 50, he’s going to set records that will take some beating. The way he just flicked a switch today and started playing shots all around the wicket was something to behold. His captaincy is getting better with every series too. He truly is the complete batsman.
      
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      January 4, 2021 7:52pm
  - giltee
    
    Yes NZer. After that debacle going to one knee I no longer support NZ cricket. The cricketers needs to grow some balls like the Aussie rugby team and refuse to do it. Neither do I support the crusaders after they politicised rugby after the massacre and insulted their supporters with their hideous culturally inspired symbol.
    
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    January 4, 2021 7:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gerry has walked away..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5_LQArLa0
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January 4, 2021 8:18am
- rockape
  
  Gerry attended RAF Biggin Hill for aircrew selection in early 1965 just before he got married. He was on the same pre selection course as me. Was a pop star then looking at a career change due to his coming marriage.
  
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  January 4, 2021 8:49am
- Biscuit
  
  When you walk through a storm
  Hold your head up high
  And don’t be afraid of the dark
  
  At the end of a storm
  There’s a golden sky
  And the sweet silver song of a lark
  
  Walk on through the wind
  Walk on through the rain
  Though your dreams be tossed and blown
  
  Walk on, walk on
  With hope in your heart
  And you’ll never walk alone
  
  You’ll never walk alone
  
  Walk on, walk on
  With hope in your heart
  And you’ll never walk alone
  You’ll never walk alone
  
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  January 4, 2021 10:26am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Not many people get a tribute like this:
  
  Paul McCartney
  @PaulMcCartney
  Gerry was a mate from our early days in Liverpool. He and his group were our biggest rivals on the local scene. His unforgettable performances of You’ll Never Walk Alone and Ferry Cross the Mersey remain in many people’s hearts as reminders of a joyful time in British music…
  
  https://twitter.com/PaulMcCartney/status/1345835973683404802
  
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  January 4, 2021 7:54pm
Luke Piewalker

2021. Looking forward to:

NZ having enough of the hollow empty shell that is Cindy and throw out this shit incompetent government

USA republicans return serve 10 times more onto Biden compared to what the democrats did to Trump

Scott Robinson replace Ian useless Foster

… just a starter anyway
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January 4, 2021 8:30am
fernglas

Just to liven the debate around Covid, if, when the vaccine is rolled out, and there is widespread community transmission, the first in line for it will be
“Older people (aged care residents, Māori and Pacific people, then others aged over 65 years)”
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January 4, 2021 8:52am
- kowtow
  
  Is it OK to be concerned about a vaccine that would normally take 10 years to safely develop being delivered in 10 months ?
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:32am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Given comparisons with the roll-out process for any and all other such medical treatments, yes, it is the only rational response. The fact of various politicians being publicly and theatrically injected with something (purported to be a vaccine), with the obvious PR aim of placating the herd, indicates that we should all be highly concerned. Plans for the mass-dosing of the world’s population by the authorities should be viewed sceptically, to say the absolute least.
    
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    January 4, 2021 11:43am
  - fernglas
    
    Yes, kowtow, it is, but only if you are not shitting yourself over the prospect of catching the virus. Otherwise, you will simply follow Uncle Ashley’s advice, have the vaccine to save others who are too old or fat to save themselves, and hope to Christ he’s right.
    
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    January 4, 2021 11:55am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Yes. But, so far so good – more anaphylaxis than normal, but mostly in people with pre-existing severe allergy. Only good data for Pfizer and Moderna, we will have to wait and see about Astra (and the others that are coming through). At present only a few million have had first dose world-wide, I will be happier when there’s about 100M [worldwide] and we know more about the side effect profiles.
    
    BTW mix-and-match vaccine (as proposed by UK) is beyond moronic – the vaccines all designed to the spike protein but all DIFFERENT epitopes (immune drivers). Also, going beyond the 21/28 day second dose period – Pfizer says that first dose immunity is n=onoy 50-60% and without 2nd dose, between 42-60 days immunity is lost for most so booster no good. Sort your shit out Boris…
    
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    January 4, 2021 3:30pm
- Inandout
  
  fern, amazing how Big Pharma are now the saviours of the ‘downtrodden’ culture. But if there is any reaction to the injection’s ingredients Big Pharma will once again be the evil empire. Like a bloody pendulum.
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:53am
- Aunty
  
  Front line workers, i.e., doctors, nurses, hospital workers, police, fire, ambulance, border workers, quarantine workers will be in the first wave to be vaccinated along with those regarded as being most at risk of hospitalisations and death.
  
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  January 4, 2021 10:57am
- JibberJabber
  
  I’m happy to be at the back of this queue.
  No problem getting shots, just don’t like the idea of being a Guinea Pig?.
  
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  January 4, 2021 2:36pm
- giltee
  
  First will be politicians, health workers then your list fernglas.
  
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  January 4, 2021 7:10pm
  - GazzaW
    
    First will be politicians and their families, health workers and then your list fernglas.
    
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    January 4, 2021 7:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The back-story to mRNA vaccines
https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/
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January 4, 2021 8:55am
iMP

I agree with Classics professor (Stanford) Dr Victor Hansen, now the best moderate and non-factional commentator on Trump/US since the late C. Krauthammer, that Trump won the election. But it really doesn’t matter. (See YouTube: “The Case for Trump” and here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6idYZ25Qq6w&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3pDlXA6f5O69zAlLTqTapqEA5Nv68kw4X7N16-4J-LpFYEoO8vPNlMDtI). Latter is hosted by an ex Aust poli.

The Electoral College will roll over a system, with Senate & Congress formal protest (Cruz), Biden will step down in a year/18 months, and Kamala Harris (who couldn’t win a single Pres. delegate herself) will take over. It will be a disaster and the Trump base will be landslided back in to power, probably for a long time, maybe even with Trump at its head.

2020 is not accepted by America as a legitimate election. The polls are confounded; anomalies are unexplained. Voters are now credibly disillusioned by their system. WATCH FOR BG CHANGE.
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January 4, 2021 8:58am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Dr Victor Hansen, now the best moderate and non-factional commentator
  
  ROFL
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:02am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Keep rolling, you might yet achieve centripetally-induced pseudo-stability.
    
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    January 4, 2021 9:21am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’ll need a few more laugh-inducing comments from that moron first…
      
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      January 4, 2021 9:55am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t know what is funny. What Biden policies will make the USA a more prosperous country? Coupled with his age and the demands of the job. Half way through his first term he will be 80. An 80 year old is not a 70 year old. There is a big difference.
    
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    January 4, 2021 9:33am
    - simonway
      
      The man who wrote a book, published in 2019, called “The Case for Trump” is hardly a man who is free of faction. That’s a laughable claim.
      
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      January 4, 2021 12:08pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Whadda ya talking about, Benedict? Our Kev is 81 and still working.
      
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      January 4, 2021 1:46pm
      - Aliog
        
        Probably not a great example, Steve! Poor old Kev is showing diminished capacity for rational thought – I think he’s now agitating for armed insurrection in the US.
        
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        January 4, 2021 4:01pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Yeah, I know, Aliog.
        
        He’s been worrying me since about when he turned 80, but I like the guy, even though I do not often agree with his comments.
        
        I was just having a bit of fun.
        
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        January 4, 2021 10:43pm
- Fletch
  
  Biden doesn’t even have to be unwell. He “joked”(?) the other day that if a time comes when he and Kamala disagree, he’ll pretend to get a mystery disease and resign.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOedmg_X7m8
  
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  January 4, 2021 10:26am
Aunty

Concerning reports are coming out of the UK that they are now seeing many more young people developing serious illness and requiring admission to intensive care than was seen in the first wave of the coronavirus outbreak back in March/April. The more infectious mutated variant of the virus that is now prevalent in the UK seems to be the culprit.
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January 4, 2021 9:03am
- kowtow
  
  Evidence please.
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:30am
- Inandout
  
  Yes Aunty, and before the covid madness…
  ‘Thursday 4 April 2019
  
  ‘Bad diets killing more people globally than tobacco, study finds,” reports The Guardian.
  
  In a new analysis, researchers have estimated that 11 million deaths around the world were related to poor diet.
  
  They found eating a diet high in salt, but low in fruit, wholegrains, nuts and seeds, was associated with more than half of the deaths’.
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:59am
- 2ic
  
  You really need to analyze the data to see what’s going on rather than rely on news headlines. The following is for Ireland, but you get the point:
  https://youtu.be/SdKkZLqhmDM
  
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  January 4, 2021 1:14pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Aunty, do you have a link? I haven’t seen this…
  
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  January 4, 2021 3:37pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    A story was aired on BBC Radio5 a couple of days ago asserting that a London hospital ward was full of children with coronavirus.
    
    But this BBC article quotes other folks who are not finding any increase in child admissions with covid-19
    Coronavirus: No increase in severe child cases, paediatricians say
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55518248
    
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    January 4, 2021 4:51pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Thank you Maggy.
      
      Sounds like what always happens in desperate situations: media keen for any story they can, unsophisticated commentator not realizing what the “media” will report (as compared to what one says). As a person that has had extensive interactions with reporters of all types, I’m not quite willing to throw that nurse under the bus… what she said is likely something in-between what was reported and what everybody *thinks* she said… reporters are nobody’s friend (something I tell our junior staff/faculty [lecturers/Assistant Professors] repeatedly).
      
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      January 4, 2021 5:13pm
  - Aunty
    
    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/hospitals-rise-coronavirus-patients-young-as-30-alison-pittard-104741624.html
    
    There you go, Pharmachick. I have heard similar comments from other clinicians as well. But I think that when any senior clinician working at the coal face makes such a remark, it must be taken seriously, and given her overall role, it’s likely to be reliable.
    
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    January 5, 2021 7:41am
Chuck Bird

It will be interesting to see if any of the rioters were in for murder. If they were then nothing will be added to their sentence.
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January 4, 2021 9:04am
- Bill Felt
  
  Oh you don’t understand. They are all victims! and therefore they are in their own rights to trash public property! (NOT!)
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:19am
New Zealander

Good start to 2021. So glad our government asked responsible gun owners to hand in their guns. Now we are all safe.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/man-shot-in-koutu-rd-rotorua/EPLASVNHX6RUMELARNE6AVIX6Y/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gun-pointed-at-police-armed-woman-steals-patrol-car-and-crashes-it/UXC6BF27WYSZRNSFZLYWNXR3NA/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fourth-person-charged-with-murder-over-death-of-christchurch-man-kane-wayman/2C3JXIR4ALE4D5JBGGRFJ7FJ3E/

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/300197676/double-shooting-in-kaiapoi-police-have-two-people-in-custody
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January 4, 2021 9:05am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  These headlines you cite must be fake news. The Cahill-Nash-Ardern-Bush Gang of Four assured us the violent guns confiscated under repetitive police threats, from lawful owners, were the sole source of the problem /sarc.
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:23am
  - chukar
    
    The four are the Bush. Masters
    Just saying
    
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    January 4, 2021 12:21pm
- Jack5
  
  They collected guns only from law-abiding people with firearms licences.
  
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  January 4, 2021 1:01pm
- Pharmachick
  
  But seriously, absent all the railing against the legislation… what’s going on w/ gun violence in NZ? I’ve never seen it like this. Rise of gangs (worse than before)? 501s? Indirect effect of legislation causing people to hoard illegal guns? Genuinely curious what people think it is.
  
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  January 4, 2021 3:38pm
  - lofty
    
    To me it is fairly obvious that those prone to violence, are now less afraid to use it, the consequences seem less, the “authorities” more afraid to go hard. The very recent Waikeria incident is testament to this weakness and will not go unread by the gangs. The Firearms have always been in the bad guys hands, it is now a weak government and the police are seen also as having been de-powered and the weapons will be used.
    Of course the turf war for control of the highly lucrative drug trade, amongst the growing and seemingly empowered and imported gangs does not help at all. They are unafraid of authority.
    
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    January 4, 2021 5:40pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    The police treated law-abiding owners as criminals while allowing illegally-armed gang members to brandish their weaponry and ‘guard’ mosques.
    
    Then let’s not forget these sordid episodes
    
    – “Police Commissioner Mike Bush revealed 115 influential gang leaders had been identified and police had spoken to 53 of them about how they were managing the gun amnesty.”
    
    – Police invited leaders of armed gangs to tea. Yes, actually.
    
    – Police encouraged iwi-run gang-staffed roadblocks against other Kiwis
    
    – Police raiding a family at dinnertime with 12 armed officers because they mislaid paperwork, while facilitating gangs to conduct major disruptive tangis and initiations blocking public thoroughfares
    
    When the Police treat gang members as people to pal up with and be scared of, and are hostile to law-abiding taxpayers, then this current outbreak of violent scofflaws wielding illegal weapons as they please is 100% entirely predictable.
    
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    January 4, 2021 7:49pm
    - kowtow
      
      EH,
      
      Gang members ,by virtue of their ‘ethnicity’ are members of a “community” and therefor must be sucked up to by the police hierarchy.
      
      Licensed firearms owners , are not a “community” and therefor can be treated as the ostracised scum that they are ……..//
      
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      January 4, 2021 9:21pm
Yvette

To allow people to have some perspective of the delivery of Government policies over the previous three year term, and further prospects now – like Auckland light rail, prison maintenance, and the One Billion Trees Programme –

FUNDING APPLICATION UPDATE
We cannot accept any more One Billion Trees applications. The number of applications in progress will exceed the limit of the fund if approved.

Our aim is to plant one billion trees by 2028.
At current rates, we estimate commercial foresters will plant 500 million trees over the period.
We’re offering incentives for you to get involved in planting the other 500 million trees – the right trees in the right places for the right purposes. [1]

35. The rate of commercial replanting over the next decade will have a significant impact on the one billion trees total. For example, if the recent 95% replanting rate was maintained over the next decade this would equate to 770 million trees. [2]

From reference [1] you can see Government now proposes funding half a billion trees, leaving commercial Forestry to fund the other half billion. However, from the Cabinet paper [2] you can see Forestry plantings are “95% re-plantings”, meaning for every 95 seedlings planted, they chop down 100 mature trees elsewhere in their forests.
So over the period concerned, if they plant 500 million seedlings, they will presumably fell 526,315,789 trees. So, in fact, those 26 million trees subtracted form the Government funded total of half a billion, will leave 475 million net total for the project.

But apparently any new funding is halted at present.

So will 475 million trees still sequester sufficient carbon to be worth continuing with at all, or should they just chuck it all in and forget it like that Capital Gains Tax thing, and those Kiwibuild houses?

[1] https://www.mpi.govt.nz/forestry/funding-tree-planting-research/one-billion-trees-programme/about-the-one-billion-trees-programme/
[2] page 7, One Billion Trees Programme: Cabinet Paper https://www.mpi.govt.nz/dmsdocument/30942-The-One-Billion-Trees-programme-Cabinet-paper
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January 4, 2021 9:11am
- JackRabbit
  
  The original pulpit proclamation over 1 Billion trees, was portrayed that an additional net 1 Billion trees were to be planted. This is how it was conveyed and how the international press saw it.
  
  It was only later that it was expanded to include trees already being planted, and of course they are ones being replanted, so no net change.
  
  If she had said gross 500 million trees, she could have stepped down from the pulpit, and 30 seconds later patted her self on the back, and said “all done”.
  
  When someone states they are going to produce something, you accept that as being what they are producing, not what everyone else is producing.
  
  So in actual fact she will need to have planted 1,000,026,000 trees top have a net 1 Billion tress planted.
  
  So, do nothing, achieve nothing, claim other people’s existing work as your own new work and your crowning achievement, and take glory for what did not happen. Shameless!
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:55am
  - JackRabbit
    
    @mod
    bump
    
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    January 4, 2021 1:04pm
- Liberty
  
  You miss a vital point.
  The voter was told it was an extra billion trees.
  Then it was bull shitting NZF MP making the promise along
  With a compliant lefty media.
  
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  January 4, 2021 10:25am
I remember when

After the 10 Failed Predictions for Climate Change 2020 on wattsupwiththat I wondered what the successful predictions were.
Perhaps I am using the wrong search engines.
Plenty of future directional suggestions (could, may, possibly) but a lack of real information.
However some good news, like other tropical coral islands the Maldives are being protected by coral growth and sand deposits.
Tuvalu and the Maldives saved and the work goes on.
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January 4, 2021 9:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t know if the climate folk predicted that things would get better…. but your chances of dying from a climate-related disaster has significantly decreased in the last 100 years.
  
  https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0040162520304157-gr17.jpg
  
  Graph is Fig.17 from this paper
  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0040162520304157#fig0017
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:49am
  - Andrei
    
    Your chances of dying from Alzheimer’s has significantly increased over the past 100 years.
    
    We need to return to Medieval life styles to help prevent this dreadful disease
    
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    January 4, 2021 10:23am
    - Andrei
      
      Over three hours in moderation – what is it with lefties and desire to control public discourse?
      
      When I first started commenting here more than a decade ago this blog was proudly iconoclastic – now it is an establishment poodle
      
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      January 4, 2021 2:05pm
    - alwyn
      
      The average life expectancy in the US was about 48.3 years in 1900.
      In 2019 it was 78.9.
      The main cause of people getting Alzheimers is getting older.
      Does that fact, and the numbers for life expectancy, give you a clue?
      
      In medieval times the average life expectancy, at least in Europe was between 30 and 40 years.
      If we go back to those days I would have to revive the old Tom Lehrer joke about Mozart
      “It is a sobering thought that when Mozart was my age, he had been dead for two years”.
      It would be even more sobering for me. I would have been dead for about 40 years if we went back to medieval life expectancy.
      
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      January 4, 2021 6:52pm
    - chukar
      
      So has life expectancy.
      Medieval expectancy was a couple of decades less than today.
      
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      January 4, 2021 9:03pm
  - Okahu
    
    So, are you arguing that because extreme weather forecasting, building standards, medical intervention and emergency relief (amongst other factors) have massively increased and improved our chances of avoiding and or surviving climate events that must mean ‘climate folk’ need to explain something? Bit concerned that you think that Maggy. Can’t decide if yours are wilful weasel words or just a failure in comprehension.
    
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    January 4, 2021 1:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m arguing nothing.
      I’m presenting you with the findings of a research paper…
      you could read it’s conclusions yourself… but here’s a brief overview:
      
      We have seen that, when measured on the important measure of human deaths, climate change is far from the most important environmental challenge facing humanity, proving less deadly than outdoor air pollution, indoor air pollution, unsafe water, lack of sanitation, lack of handwashing, or deaths from lead or from radon.
      
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      January 4, 2021 9:11pm
bruceavon

I notice the government are now asking for people to test before they arrive, which is what National proposed. Its only a matter of time till they have a dedicated Covid response team like National wanted also.
Seemed like a very sensible idea when it was first proposed by Judith, to test before arriving, but at the time it was “too hard”.
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January 4, 2021 9:15am
- Bill Felt
  
  and then there was Nationals suggestions to “shut the border” and “test test test” and so on
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That was Labours’ Policy all the time – National stole it //
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:35am
  - Bob
    
    Labour never had any policy for Covid until about April, by which time they were able to cherry pick the suggestions from National, the public and observe overseas experience.
    There.. fixed it for you Steve!
    
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    January 4, 2021 12:07pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Bob, you get an uptick, but you missed the sarc tab // I was taking the piss mate
      
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      January 4, 2021 5:52pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    That’s the true strength of today’s Labour Party – it knows how to ‘adapt’ and take credit as the need arises…
    
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    January 4, 2021 1:40pm
- GazzaW
  
  …..and now the new pre-flight testing requirements are ‘too late’ to be of any significant use and are just grist for Labour’s PR mill. Prior to Hipkins’ announcement all airlines with the exception of Qatar Airways and all transit points used by returning Kiwis with the exception of Doha required pre-flight testing anyway. So Hipkins has just closed off Doha – that’s all. Much ado about nothing yet again and no one in the media thought for a minute to question Hipkins.
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:36am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Just don’t rely on a test from Victoria, they have over a 400% higher rate of positives than the rest of Australia.
  Will the tests be cycled and done exactly the same procedure at every test point.. Like all testing, it is a total waste of time if it manipulated to show what is wanted to be shown.
  Testing can be manipulated, can someone tell what the cycle rate/minute is used in New Zealand and has been uniform in all testing throughout.
  Judith and Jacinda appear to know nothing about testing with a PCL test.
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:47am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Just so the downtickers may have some understanding of how these tests work or more importantly don’t work.
    When you go below 1 person in 100 positive testing, for every 12 positives, 11 will be false positives.
    In low numbers these tests are utterly useless.
    The only true way to discuss this matter in low numbers is to follow the numbers of hospitalization, ICU admission, and death.
    The last recorded death was September 15, about 16 weeks ago. Just 5 people have been recorded deaths since the end of April.
    What percentage of total deaths is this?
    Not a single person is in hospital, that alone ICU.
    The economy is being trashed on a complete lie.
    Of the 19 reported a few days back, 2 will be positives, the rest locked away on poor testing.
    How many people die of the flu in a normal year, about 500.
    Lock up those that are vulnerable and want to be locked up, let the rest get on with their lives.
    
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    January 4, 2021 11:27am
    - Stu2
      
      “When you go below 1 person in 100 positive testing, for every 12 positives, 11 will be false positives”
      
      How did you work that out?
      
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      January 4, 2021 12:24pm
    - Happy1
      
      What nonsense, we tested thousands in Pak n Save supermarket car parks. Every single result was negative. Not one false positive.
      
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      January 4, 2021 1:03pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Back then the PCR (over)cycle rate was much lower that it is now.
        
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        January 4, 2021 7:54pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Implementing National’s policy under the cover of the holiday season. Next up, Double Bunking at Waikeria.
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:49am
BeaB

So after a year of Julie Ann Genter’s much lauded billion dollar a year road safety plan, our holiday road toll has doubled.
Do you think anyone in the media will ever expose the gulf between Ardern-led governments’ rhetoric and the results? And the money squandered?
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January 4, 2021 9:45am
- alwyn
  
  You should be careful you know. A true Green believer could claim that, at Christmas last year, Genter was in charge.
  This year she is not and the death toll has doubled. All those extra deaths are because she lost her Ministerial job. If she was still in the Minister’s chair, and the back of a Beemer, all would be well.
  
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  January 4, 2021 6:31pm
- Stu2
  
  The four last year is probably an all time record low.
  It is at a typical level this year (but the holiday period finishes tomorrow morning so it isn’t final)
  
  You’ve been caught by the media comparing with a single previous year, which is not clever with small numbers
  
  14/15 15
  15/16 12
  16/17 19
  17/18 12
  18/19 9
  19/20 4
  
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  January 4, 2021 8:25pm
BeaB

Why does Kevin Davis care more about the Australian detainees than his own countrymen – and fellow Maori?

Perhaps all we need to say about him is “Where’s Wally?”
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January 4, 2021 9:48am
Maggie Pie

‘Contrary to popular belief, most people in our prisons AREN’T there for serious or violent offending. You can end up in prison for as little as failing to pay fines, that leads to community work you can’t do since you’re working to survive or suffer mental or physical barriers.
Time for a broad inquiry and rethink of our failed prisons, ESPECIALLY FOR MAORI’.
– Greens MP: Golriz Ghahraman (3 Jan 2021)

As my partner was quick to comment….. “Dollar to a knob of goat poop – you can see where this is heading”
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January 4, 2021 9:53am
- mikenmildagain
  
  “Prisons are a moral and fiscal failure” – Bill English.
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:57am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    They are indeed.
    
    They are a failure of the morality of the inhabitants who were grossly immoral when they murdered, raped, assaulted, molested, robbed, defrauded and so forth to earn their places inside; and they are a fiscal failure because we do not require the criminal inmates to support themselves by working – growing their own vegetables, doing brush-clearing on a road gang, and so forth.
    
    For once you’ve nailed it, Mike-O.
    
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    January 4, 2021 8:22pm
- Nickc2
  
  Sure can. Now we have Amnesty International poking their oar into something that has F-all to do with them. Amnesty is also given prominence by our MSM as if they know everything about the situation.
  
  What they are not widely reporting is these bastards are criminal returnees from Aust. and criminal gang members in NZ FFS. They are certainly not pillars of virtue the media are making them out to be.
  
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  January 4, 2021 10:13am
  - BeaB
    
    Perhaps they’re Kelvins mates. The ones he travelled 20 hours so manfully to go and visit to expose the terrible crimes of Australia.
    Missing in action here of course.
    
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    January 4, 2021 5:32pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s common knowledge , thanks to people like DG , that it’s actually very hard to be sent to prison in New Zealand.
  
  We know it , the Media Pardy knows it , the Luvvies know it and perhaps most importantly , the crims know it and that’s why there’s so little in the way of deterence these days . Plenty of deferals though.
  
  So all the lefties claiming we have a put em in the slammer and throw away the key system ( which they also say is systemically racist ) are out right liars .
  
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  January 4, 2021 10:35am
- Clyde
  
  Its been heading there ever since we collectively allowed separatism into NZ. Everywhere you look you will see examples – the Maori All Blacks, the Maori Caucus, Maori seats in Parliament, Maori wards in local Government, etc etc. If we want a multicultural society these separatist follies have to go, but in the current woke environment they are going to increase. How to reverse it? Thats the real question.
  
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  January 4, 2021 10:36am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  She will be there with RMM waving his rainbow flag wanting prisons to be LGBTQ+ABCDE friendly.
  
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  January 4, 2021 10:40am
- rouppe
  
  They might not be in there for violent or serious offending, but they’ll be there for repeated offending and having failed to comply with any fine, community service or other reparations
  
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  January 4, 2021 1:08pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Is the average Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand voter working to survive?
  
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  January 4, 2021 1:13pm
- cmm
  
  Astounding.
  
  I would guess the number of people in the jug for forgetting to pay a parking fine is zero.
  
  I would also expect the number of people in prison that would otherwise be volunteering to do work to assist the community is also zero.
  
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  January 4, 2021 3:45pm
- MCos
  
  https://www.corrections.govt.nz/resources/statistics/quarterly_prison_statistics/prison_stats_september_2020
  
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  January 4, 2021 4:03pm
- Ehlana
  
  According to the Corrections Prison Facts and Statistics report for September 2020, prison population by most serious offence a prisoner is convicted of is:
  41.3% violence
  20.5% sexual
  10.4% burglary
  10.1% drugs
  5.7% dishonesty
  The remainder are traffic, weapons, breaches, property damage & other.
  
  Golriz’s statement indicates she considers that sexual offending is neither serious nor violent. Unbelievable.
  
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  January 4, 2021 5:09pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

One Waikeria inmate, known only as Uncle T Bully, was quoted as saying:

“You fellas call THIS a lockdown!? You fellas wait until you see what Cindy has planned for all your white asses! Now that will be a lockdown!”
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January 4, 2021 10:06am
Biscuit

From ‘The Horrid’ today:

United States President Donald Trump yesterday made an hour-long phone call to Georgia’s secretary of state demanding he “find” enough votes to overturn his election defeat, the Washington Post reports.

“The people of Georgia are angry, the people in the country are angry,” Trump told fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger during the call. “And there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.”

Any comment from the site’s premier Trump apologist?

Of course, it IS possible that the ‘Post’ is peddling Fake News, the STANDARD Trump apologists’ excuse…
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January 4, 2021 10:19am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Trump says in the same phone call that he has evidence of over 100,000 fake votes.
  Translation: “Give me 12,000 and I won’t have to put you in prison.”
  
  The next 17 days are going to be amazing.
  
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  January 4, 2021 6:35pm
Fletch

Pelosi is rounding up covid-positive members of the House to make sure she is sworn in again as Speaker. Virus be damned….

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/01/03/super-spreader-speakership-election-nancy-pelosi-allows-democrats-break-quarantine-help-secure-another-term/
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January 4, 2021 10:20am
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…..

This very minute, Nancy has been reelected Speaker of the House.
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January 4, 2021 10:28am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  So, Zombieland was not a movie but a how-to guide…
  
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  January 4, 2021 10:36am
- Nickc2
  
  No class whatsoever!
  
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  January 4, 2021 11:14am
- Steve Todd
  
  Never in doubt.
  
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  January 4, 2021 1:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Now if only the US and World could understand her. She can not string two coherent sentences together.
  Fuck, I drink, but I don’t get snackered like her
  
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  January 4, 2021 3:22pm
- Fletch
  
  Hanging on to power like grim death.
  
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  January 4, 2021 5:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is”
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/children-just-arent-going-to-know-what-snow-is/news-story/5a16c85680b7cc94f345240a727fb09d

Snow in the UK
https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6219869678001
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January 4, 2021 10:30am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Since 2013, there has only been (until today it seems) one significant cold weather event in the UK and that was in 2018.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_British_Isles_cold_wave
  
  I don’t know how that frequency is different to the last 50 – 100 years. However it seems undeniable that the UK has experienced several high temperature records over the last decade.
  
  https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2020/state-of-the-uk-climate-report-2019#:~:text=The latest report covering the,-1990 long-term average.
  
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  January 4, 2021 10:42am
- artemisia
  
  Just as well Luke Wijohn was not high enough up the Green Party List. Maybe his opinions on mass starvation in the western world were too much even for the Green Party.
  
  …Luke WiJohn “Reports out of the UK are saying that they are running out of fertile land and in about 30 years they are going to have no more food … It’s kind of clear we’re on the verge of mass starvation…”
  
  Sadly for his prediction the link no longer works.
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/programmes/digital_bulletin/story/2018686644/latest-rnz-news-bulletin
  
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  January 4, 2021 11:25am
Master Mariner

Been saying this for ages as supply chains are shattered and no end in sight.
Boost for carriers carrying goods by planes however need the right capacity planes for conversion.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/why-our-ships-havent-come-in
Good to see local media picking this up finally.
Bad news is they going to get worse before getting better.
1 x container to States 12 months ago was 1100 US from China , It is now 4500 US $.
Ever wonder why prices are going up in NZ and lack of variety and goods.
As for COVID tests pre deparure most countries you get 48hrs to fly once you get a negative result.
Thats what I have to do before flying to work.
Not rocket science is it?
The question I want answered is Why did they not follow Pandemic Plan 2017?
Surely a case for negligence ? at least economically.
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January 4, 2021 10:32am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  “Why did they not follow Pandemic Plan 2017?”
  
  IIRC that was written by a vet(erinarian) and not updated when the WuPox first started this year.
  
  Speaking of which – since the media are all calling the latest mutation the UK variant, it cannot be racist anymore to call the coronavirus the Chinese virus.
  
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  January 4, 2021 8:26pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Thanks for Heads up.
    But if thats the case then surely another plan would have been implemented before hand.
    Which Is’nt the case.
    Of note in 2017 Plan was little thought too sea borders, Which comes under MOT minister. Ie Ports
    This was severly lacking in execution this time around
    
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    January 4, 2021 10:23pm
I remember when

At present 302,675,300+ Europeans would be in a country with a lower death rate per million if they lived in Sweden.
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January 4, 2021 10:32am
Maggie Pie

Now to be honest, I wasn’t going to link to this.
But my partner insisted I should – just so you can all read the comments 😀

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1345835528487399424
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January 4, 2021 10:39am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, this lovely boy could replace Floyd as the reason for the knee.
  
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  January 4, 2021 12:26pm
- Bung Fizzer
  
  Wake up Maggie, I think I’ve got something to say to youuuuu. It’s early January and I should be shagging youuuu.
  
  I love your comedy. Is there any chance that we could watch the sunrise together on a secluded beach near Whangaparaoa and share a milk shake at the Puhoi pub?
  
  Your ‘partner’ gives his blessings btw, although to be fair……he’s just like a third cog in the wheel.
  
  LET’S DO THIS as I’m waiting patiently outside your Remmers gate. Your “partner” can watch but he can’t reem like yours truly Captain Bung Fizzer xxxx
  
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  January 4, 2021 9:35pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmVvuBd3hls

CCP Not Growing.

Chinas little emperors are not eager to oin
The CCP. So the presitator has come up with
a plan. Some have discharged from the PLA.
They proved resistant to discipline.They’ll be
prohibited from employment. Veterans are
neglected. Q: What’s the difference between
the CCP, and the 14K Triad? A: The CCP has
nukes.
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January 4, 2021 10:44am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwlFYBgTFMs

The Most Common Myths About CANZUK – Busted!

Is CANZUK another version of the European Union? Is there any support for it? Would it cause immigration to spiral out of control? Watch our latest video about the most common misconceptions surrounding free movement, trade and foreign policy between Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom.
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January 4, 2021 10:44am
Maggie Pie

‘TEAM TRUMP’ organisers say there could be upwards of 3 million people at the Jan 6 MAGA March!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1345839016848068608

‘China Joe’s’ gone very quiet 😀
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January 4, 2021 12:24pm
- Stu2
  
  Just what you need with a pandemic nearing peak.
  
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  January 4, 2021 12:37pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Yeah because we saw the spikes after the BLM and Antifa and Portland en masse gang- and crowd-performances… oh wait we didn’t… back to Fraser House with you for a more believable talking point, sirrah Stewie! 🙂
    
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    January 4, 2021 8:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Joe is prob looking for a school that is open. He needs a classroom for a rally – his basement is too small
  
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  January 4, 2021 1:28pm
  - MCos
    
    He doesn’t need a rally.
    The election, which he won, finished months ago.
    
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    January 4, 2021 9:01pm
- Steve Todd
  
  What makes me chortle, is that the religious nutters are organising two “Jericho marches”, for Tuesday and Wednesday.
  
  See https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thefreethinker/2021/01/fungelicals-organise-jericho-march-to-keep-trump-in-power/?
  
  Sorry, Maggie, but you have to larf.
  
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  January 4, 2021 1:32pm
  - MFD
    
    Not just any old religious nutters; Judy O’Christians!
    
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    January 4, 2021 2:56pm
Gulag1917

3,000 Kiwis awaiting deportation from Australia.
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January 4, 2021 1:32pm
lazza

Special “K’s” reappearance from the cupboard, was marked by his throwing Corrections under the bus.

Kelvin obviously has not heard the first rule of governance … “that when the shite hits the fan the buck stops with the boss”.

He has attempted to cast his governance and operational failures as defaults of the Corrections department.

Nice -Classy ehh? … Not.

Talk about dumping on the troops from the comfort of the command bunker sited well back from the real action.

The Big K has again shown no sign of leadership, ownership of the problem or the bottle expected of a Kaumatua … certainly he’s no Rangitira.

And the huge cost of his negligence is twofold.

The example he has set the Bro’s, is that they can riot and create mayhem and Special K will just turn a colour-coded blind eye while pleading “la la la” … “nothin to do with me mate”.

The dollar costs of Kel’s dereliction of duty will run into millions. Still … its not “his” money.

This useless government is leading the country down a very dangerous and costly path. Worse, their abandonment of a balanced crime and punishment regime signals a free pass for lawlessness,
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January 4, 2021 2:12pm
DeepBlue

Siouxie Wiles isn’t as confident as the approving drug agencies. “IF the approach turns out to be safe and effective, and things are looking very promising, it’ll revolutionise the way we design and make vaccines in the future.” Stuff

Fascinating doubt in mRNA vaccine which is already in use overseas. I wonder what has caused her to caution ‘very promising’?
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January 4, 2021 2:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some motivation for those who can not make DC on Jan 6th. Lefties, get the basement keys off Mum and go hide for a while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1l-nR1Apj4&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2e21Fo7AocFpj4KD7EIPImIP1IdXqZpzdJv3fh0lAM66FMZYCX0OVPjUk
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January 4, 2021 2:31pm
Maggie Pie

Don’t let your mask slip….. 😛

Imagine being stuck in an elevator with this Whack Job !!

https://twitter.com/Teaboots/status/1345807456727924738
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January 4, 2021 2:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable”
JFK
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January 4, 2021 2:35pm
emmess

FFS
For those that thought politicians in 2021 wouldn’t get any worse than those in 2020
https://thespectator.info/2021/01/04/prayer-to-open-the-117th-congress-ends-with-amen-and-a-women-twitchy-com/
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January 4, 2021 2:36pm
rererangihirihiri

If this sniffle, cold is so contagious then why aren’t there any medical bio-hazard receptacles out and about to take the discarded gloves and masks?
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January 4, 2021 2:43pm
Maggie Pie

Gang warfare on the streets of Christchurch…….

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1345906052701671424

(……next time you hear from me, we’ll be securely back behind the gates in Remmers )
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January 4, 2021 3:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So the shot chap was sentenced to 15 months prison on 22nd October 2020 but is back in Kaiapoi on the 3rd January 2021.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123174783/father-allowed-to-hold-baby-for-the-first-time-before-being-sent-to-jail
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/300197676/gang-leaders-son-fights-for-life-after-double-shooting
  
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  January 4, 2021 3:25pm
  - cmm
    
    Things I don’t understand about this:
    1) [Obviously] how does 15 months fit into 73 days? That’s an 80% discount on his imprisonment.
    2) I know bad boys stir some women’s loins, but, really ladies, how does he have a baby? What sort of woman would rub their bits with this guy and want to depend on this guy to raise a child?
    3) We have no shortage of dudges. ““I hope I don’t see you again, Mr Wiringi,” Judge O’Driscoll said.”
    
    FFS dudge, of course you’re going to see him again and again and again…. until he’s dead by fair means or foul.
    
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    January 4, 2021 3:59pm
    - redflagged
      
      Well.
      
      His name is Fairmont, and his Fairlane so they are named after cars, so not many brain cells at home.
      
      On point 3, he’s been up in front of judges more than 30 times and on bail for theft when he shot at his brother with a sawn off shot gun for sealing his jacket, so yip, welcome to morons and limp wrist justice in NZ.
      
      Again, if he was serving his full sentences, he wouldn’t of been shot or robbing houses and making more victims, as he’d still be in jail.
      
      No the taxpayer is the victim again paying for this clown(s).
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/96741404/prolific-offenders-appeal-dismissed-after-shooting-at-brother
      
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      January 4, 2021 5:08pm
  - redflagged
    
    I’m guessing it’s because they would of taken into account time already served when he was remanded in custody on 14th April.
    
    Then that 1/3 of sentence nonsense for ‘behaving yourself.
    
    It should be 15 months minimum if you behave yourself, if not you stay there until you behave, like you should do as a positive contributor to society. All these discounts make a mockery of the justice system.
    
    Same with 10 years meaning life. A sick joke for victims. Crime pays in NZ.
    
    Good example though, if you keep criminals in jail, they can’t be shot by other criminals, therefore reducing crime. Fancy that.
    
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    January 4, 2021 4:53pm
- cmm
  
  Looks like it’s time for me to move to South Auckland…
  
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  January 4, 2021 3:40pm
  - kevn
    
    @cmm… Million dollars for a nice place in Otara now.
    
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    January 4, 2021 4:56pm
- Inandout
  
  Thanks for that Maggie. We were going to stay in ChCh for a couple of days, but will fly on by now.
  
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  January 4, 2021 4:02pm
kevn

How many of ‘the Waikeria 16’ are PI rather than maori ?
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January 4, 2021 3:44pm
MCos

Something I read on Twitter

If anyone was wondering I just landed @HeathrowAirport – not one person looked at my locator form, no temperature checks, no hand sanitizer in several of the dispensers I tried. No mention of the track and trace app anywhere. In Bahrain even supermarkets had these basics set up.
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January 4, 2021 3:49pm
cmm

Some recent research suggests that most masks could be bad for your health.

Apparently most masks (other than those fancy N95 masks) are really good at generating micro plastic fibres which get into your lungs and have been linked to causing lung cancers (like asbestos).

Nothing too conclusive yet, but it takes away the argument that mask wearing must be better than nothing.

Mask wearing is useless for healthy people anyway, only for sick people. They work on the way out, not so much on the way in (except for specialised masks of course).

For the most part they are just props for muggles theatre.
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January 4, 2021 3:51pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300197801/christchurch-man-was-changing-his-life-around-for-his-kids-before-fatal-crash

Let me say, anyone’s death is sad, and the unnecessary and premature death of a person is a disaster.
But it has to be asked: why was this young father and stepfather out late at night with others ?
Why was he not at home with his partner and 3 kids ?

“It is so sad he didn’t deserve to go like this … he only just got released from prison and was changing his life around for the better for his kids.
“He was a hard-working, kind, caring man that we made many memories with,” she said.

So much for changing his life and consideration for his kids.
Another more realistic opinion might be that once out of prison he couldn’t wait to associate with his old mates, tell the old woman to get stuffed, ignore the kids and go and do what he wanted.
Well, good luck with that mate !
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January 4, 2021 5:55pm
- hilaryt
  
  Yes. Some version of that. Something was badly awry for him to be sentenced to prison in the first place…is that mentioned in amongst the feelz? Nobody asks the hard questions and instead it’s the cruel hand of fate.
  
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  January 5, 2021 11:03am
Engelbert Humperdink

A bit of science for the MasksForAll/AllTheTime brigade

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

“Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers”

Bottom line:

The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection.

And there’s this:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.23.20236703v1

Evidence of the effectiveness of travel-related measures during the early phase of the COVID- 19 pandemic
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January 4, 2021 6:43pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Hi there BM & MMA!
  
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  January 4, 2021 8:30pm
lazza

Lock him up … IMPEACH … EXRADITE? … Putin will provide a cosy dacha?

This time (again) Trump has excelled himself.
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January 4, 2021 8:04pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

UK judge has ruled that Assange cannot be extradited to the US on suicide grounds, but US will appeal. Bail hearing now.
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January 5, 2021 12:23am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uici8h51ny4

NPCU.

Red pills, blue pills, and soy.
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January 5, 2021 8:52am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJFCAptNTjU

Japan to Join Five Eyes?

Japan is no friend of China now. They have been providing
Intelligence on Uhgyur concentration camps. Five Eyes is
becoming Asia-centric. The CCP is becoming concerned. The 14K Triad has not expressed an opinion.
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January 5, 2021 8:53am
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/01/04/wikileaks-founder-julian-assanges-extradition-to-the-united-states-blocked-by-uk-judge/

No Extradition for Assange.

A British judge ruled on Monday that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange cannot be extradited to the United States to face charges of espionage, as it would increase the risk of Assange committing suicide in prison. It’d be nice if he walks free soon.
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January 5, 2021 8:53am
jonno69

Phillip alps got sentenced to 18 months in prison because they didn’t like the way he thinks. A violent armed robber with long criminal history gets 4 months home detention, Guess what race he is.
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