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Captain Mainwaring

This must be the longest-running prison riot in recent memory.
Where is the so-called Minister of Corrections? Protected by Labour’s captive media?
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January 1, 2021 8:00am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  It’s the perfect opportunity to invite the Maori Party in as part of your communication strategy
  
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  January 1, 2021 8:02am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    The tattoed male MP has been there. It hard to say if he made things better or worse.
    
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    January 1, 2021 9:01am
    - Nickc2
      
      He and they got the attention they sought. My pick is that the MSM were also invited along for the occasion.
      No doubt the on-call ‘media hand-wringers’ have been instructed to get their keyboards working for the cause.
      
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      January 1, 2021 9:28am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I just heard he is asking for Special K to front.
    
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    January 1, 2021 9:05am
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      The drug the cereal or the person?
      
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      January 1, 2021 9:13am
    - GazzaW
      
      There’s not been a word about Waikeria from the ‘Minister’ of Corrections, the PM, Andrew Little or even the Duty Minister. I was at least expecting Kelvin to front up with the “nine long years” excuse if nothing else. Good on the Maori Party for picking it up and running with it.
      
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      January 1, 2021 10:28am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Davis is apparently not commenting, because this is an “operational issue”. That may be so, but it’s an operational issue which happened on his watch three days ago, and is ongoing, within a depratment he has ministerial responsibility for. Silence is not good enough Kelvin.
        
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        January 1, 2021 10:49am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Surely Kelvin’s speech writers are allowed a break in the festive season too…
        
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        January 1, 2021 11:14am
      - Philview
        
        Yes this Labour Government shelved the redevelopment of Waikeria. Any attempt by Arden or the MSM to pin this on 9 years of neglect have to be criticised by whatever opportunity we can find.
        
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        January 1, 2021 5:15pm
    - chukar
      
      Special Y to front?
      
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      January 1, 2021 12:50pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  If he will not front Cindy should.
  
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  January 1, 2021 8:09am
  - Doctor Sigmund Freud
    
    Cindy is relaxing on the beach in Tokelau.
    
    Hope she doesn’t forget to ‘slip, slop and slap’. Tropical sunburn can ruin a Xmas break away from the peasantry.
    
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    January 1, 2021 9:13am
    - Nickc2
      
      Home quarantine when she gets back?
      
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      January 1, 2021 9:55am
      - sooty
        
        No the horder will be opened magically while she is in the air, so she doesn’t get trampled and get sand kicked in her face!
        
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        January 1, 2021 11:11am
    - oldfella
      
      Is Cindy really holidaying overseas? Anyone know that for certain?
      
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      January 1, 2021 11:03am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Can’t believe she’s at Tokelau. Would she really handle the 22 hour ferry ride from Apia?
        
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        January 1, 2021 2:25pm
    - Liberty
      
      Dear leaders reason why the peasents
      are banned from travel to the Cook Islands was?
      Just another example of Dear Leader
      being more equal.
      
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      January 1, 2021 12:49pm
- lilman
  
  Hugs all round, they must be helped.
  
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  January 1, 2021 8:10am
  - pdm
    
    Tasers would probably resolve it quicker.
    
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    January 1, 2021 8:49am
- kowtow
  
  The Media Pardy are putting an extremely sympathetic spin on the “plight” of the arsonists who are really nice boys who just want a fair penal system .
  
  No , they are gang members ,who are a blight on New Zealand .
  
  Pity the Media Pardy won’t tell us who they are and what they’re in for and how much misery they’ve brought to how many victims .
  
  Yet another shameful chapter in our Fourth Estate’s further descent into the gutter of pandering to the worst elements in society.
  
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  January 1, 2021 8:30am
  - oldfella
    
    TV news last night (think it was 3) said there were 17 prisoners on the roof, representing 7 gangs. No mention of the racial mix.
    
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    January 1, 2021 11:05am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      There is no mix, they are of the special people . . .
      
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      January 2, 2021 7:40am
  - Liberty
    
    This not going to look good for the Government. which is why TV1 has buried the story.
    What has happen to the normal
    Hysterical extended news flash.
    With the ” You need to know ” crap
    
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    January 1, 2021 1:01pm
- Mike
  
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  What role do you imagine the minister plays in combating a prison riot?
  Perhaps you should ask Sergeant Wilson.
  
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  January 1, 2021 8:49am
  - pdm
    
    He may not have a hands on’ role but he can still show leadership.
    
    Oh wait it is Kelvin we are talking about – not much chance of any leadership from him.
    
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    January 1, 2021 9:52am
  - hookerphil
    
    Gives clear and concise instruction with an hourly report back would be a start.
    
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    January 1, 2021 10:18am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Keep the red flag flying mike
    
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    January 1, 2021 11:16am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  What does it say about a society when a group of (predominantly, if not all) Maori prisoners can hold the authorities to ransom, while ostensibly being held captive no less? When legitimate authority is rejected, then no one has a handle on the situation, resulting in chaos. Clearly, there seems to be no expectation at all for some groups to comply with the law of the land.
  
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  January 1, 2021 8:51am
  - Paulus
    
    They really only wants a Hug from lovely Cindy.
    
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    January 1, 2021 11:07am
- Tony Stuart
  
  So many questions here:
  
  * How did prisoners manage to get on the roof?
  * Where did they get the matches to start the fire, given that prisons are supposedly smokefree?
  * Where did the prisoners get the cellphones they are using to ring the media?
  
  But most importantly:
  
  *Where is Kelvin Davis?
  
  This looks like a systemic failure by Corrections staff. A prison block has been rendered uninhabitable, and still the Minister is MIA.
  
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  January 1, 2021 9:42am
  - curry4me
    
    Tony Stuart: Kelvin Davis is deep in witless protection.
    
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    January 1, 2021 4:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Mt Eden 1965 lasted 33 hours
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/1966/riots/page-8
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/mt-eden-jail-riot
  
  Bit of an overflow into Mt Crawford and Paparoa
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/1966/riots/page-9
  
  Paremoremo 1998 – Over in 5 hours…but led to large payouts to 5 prisoners
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taunoa_v_Attorney-General
  
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  January 1, 2021 10:33am
  - peterwn
    
    In 1965 a portion of Waikeria (at that time a Borstal then re-designated youth prison) was converted temporarily to ‘maximum security’ to house the maximum security prisoners displaced from Mt Eden (they were initially housed in the military detention facility which used to be at Ardmore). Some of the young prisoners who had trade or welding skills helped with the conversion work and were praised for their efforts. Nowadays they would probably have received non-custodial sentences.
    
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    January 1, 2021 7:39pm
- Prince
  
  We were told by TV1 News that the PM was ‘on call’ throughout the holidays.
  Where is she ? What are her comments about this riot ?
  
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  January 1, 2021 11:47am
- kevn
  
  We’ve got not special K on the job… haven’t we?
  Missing in inaction man.
  Send in megan woods/hipkins or cindy. Sorry face should sort it.
  Hands up who voted for these turkeys.
  
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  January 1, 2021 3:22pm
krazykiwi

Happy New Year. My 2020 was rubbish. Looking to make 2021 a comeback.
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January 1, 2021 8:05am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Politicians would love to burst your bubble…
  
  Seriously i hope 2021 is a shitload better for everyone except the worlds corrupt elite and controlling politicians.
  Good luck KK i think youre gunna need it to get your goal
  
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  January 1, 2021 9:16am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I wish I shared your optimism kk, but I have a sneaking suspicion that 2021 is going to be 2020, on steroids.
  
  Still, I woke up this morning, the sun’s shining, and because I went to bed sober I haven’t got a hangover. Happy New Year!
  
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  January 1, 2021 9:43am
- cmm
  
  KK we can’t control the politics and the MSM. As Tony said, it’s likely to be 2020 on steroids.
  
  We can, however, control many of the things that are most relevant to us. Not everything but we can make some differences.
  
  I intend to have a better 2021 than 2020 – including not ending up in the cardiac ward again this year.
  
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  January 1, 2021 4:10pm
Don Beckett

Happy New Year, Aotearoans. 😆
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January 1, 2021 8:05am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Wouldn’t “Aotearoan” be cultural appropriation?
  
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  January 1, 2021 8:08am
  - MCos
    
    Awesome
    Welcome to the new year
    Same as the old year
    
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    January 1, 2021 9:04am
  - Ruahine
    
    Aotearoa just means Land of the long white cloud. This name was thought up by Stephenson Percy Smith and a Mr Edward Treager of The Polynesian Society.
    The name was further’popularised’ by William Pemper Reeves.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/205670/i-Aotearoa-a-European-hoax-i
    
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    January 1, 2021 11:18am
- pdm
  
  DB – I am a New Zealander!!
  
  End of.
  
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  January 1, 2021 9:07am
  - giltee
    
    I’m with you DPM. It’s NEW ZEALAND. The name aotearoa is a hoax perpetrated by colonialists after they arrived in New Zealand.
    
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/205670/i-Aotearoa-a-European-hoax-i
    
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    January 1, 2021 12:19pm
  - curry4me
    
    pdm: So am I, regardless of any PC wishful thinking, or an actual name change.
    
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    January 1, 2021 4:19pm
- crikey
  
  Happy New Year to all New Zealanders.
  
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  January 1, 2021 12:25pm
Jade Warrior

Happy New Year all. I note that the Australian prime minister has just changed a line in the Australian national anthem from “young” to being “one” and free. The change is apparently meant to demonstrate Australia’s “inclusiveness”.

Sounds like more virtue signalling to me but I wondered why the Aussie PM didn’t also do something about that hideous line “our home is girt by sea” while he was at it. Every time I hear that line I cringe. Isn’t it obvious that Australia is “girt” (surrounded) by sea?

How could we replace that line – “our beaches are sandy” perhaps? Obvious again of course but at least it sounds better. ?
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January 1, 2021 8:23am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I have an Australian friend who said when he sang the anthem at school, he thought that line was “dirt by sea”. Which makes sense. ?
  
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  January 1, 2021 9:04am
  - Biscuit
    
    Benedict, and what about that first line:
    
    Australians all, let us be Joyce…
    
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    January 1, 2021 10:40am
- kowtow
  
  Not that obvious .
  Many beaches are rocky . And lots of countries which have beaches , sandy or rocky won’t be completely surrounded by sea.
  
  Meanwhile our countries have huge social problems relating to race/culture/ ethnicity and singing a verse or two in another lingo at a game of footie and changing a word here or there will go a very long way to problem solving //
  
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  January 1, 2021 9:26am
- Jack5
  
  The read Aussie anthem;
  
  https://youtu.be/PT331BRkkP0
  
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  January 1, 2021 10:12am
- dave_c_
  
  Ha ! Totally in line with the NWO agenda – “Everyone will be like everyone else”. All one classless ‘useless eaters’ nonentities, ready to be trodden into oblivion.
  
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  January 1, 2021 11:06am
- oldfella
  
  Jade, I’m a bit confused by that revised line in the Aussie anthem.
  They’ve gone from:
  ‘We are young and free’ (we are a young country of free people)
  to:
  ‘We are one and free’ (we are worth about one and threepence)
  Even by Okker standards I’m not sure that’s progress.
  
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  January 1, 2021 11:15am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Aren’t a nation’s “one-ness” and a nation’s celebrated “diversity” in direct conflict with one another, as a matter of definition?
  
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  January 1, 2021 12:48pm
Yvette

The head of Forest and Bird, Kevin Hague, contemplates –
High value tourism was one avenue the region could explore.
“Right now tourism has been disrupted by Covid-19 but that doesn’t mean it’s been decimated. In fact it probably leads us into the kind of high value tourism that has a sustainable relationship with nature which is where we need that industry to be.

But “back then” –
New Zealand bans all new offshore oil exploration as part of ‘carbon-neutral future’
The prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, said her government “has a plan to transition towards a carbon-neutral future, one that looks 30 years in advance”.

So where is the plan?
In truth there was no plan – that is obvious – only more so now, than it was “back then”.
Jacinda Ardern’s plans nothing, and her Governments, just as frequently, does nothing
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January 1, 2021 8:24am
- kowtow
  
  So the rich do have some uses for these lefties.
  
  Nothing but a hypocrite .
  
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  January 1, 2021 9:38am
- cmm
  
  Glib words and intentions are not a plan. At best they are a dream.
  
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  January 1, 2021 4:12pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    …a pipe dream.
    
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    January 1, 2021 10:40pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Also to take note of was retraining for Oil and gas workers to put in place.
  No sign of that either.
  All the brightest have departed leaving behind a potentially biggest Pollution mess FSO and buggered pipelines.
  This is really amateur hour from all past and present Governments concerned.
  
  Yvette, Absolutely no plan and totaly clueless. Could’nt agree more.
  
  Watch this space.
  
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  January 1, 2021 5:18pm
MCos

Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you.
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January 1, 2021 8:39am
Maggy Wassilieff

Sometimes folks don’t know what they don’t know.

Eleven months on – does she think scientists were naive in the beginning?

“We just didn’t know, right? What we know now is there was suppression of information about just how bad it was, which is very unfortunate.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/summer-2020/unprecedented/news-makers/siouxsie-wiles/
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January 1, 2021 8:39am
- artemisia
  
  Dr Wiles and one or two others are not getting much airtime these days. Neither is our Prime Minister. Quietly joining a few dots ….
  
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  January 1, 2021 8:55am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Leave our lovely kind Prime Minister out of it. She’s on holiday.
    
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    January 1, 2021 9:50am
    - david
      
      Au contraire Cap’n, news reports prior to the Christmas break indicated that she was on duty thru’ the recess.
      So the questions remain, where is the PM? where is the Min of Corrections? Where is the Min of Road Transport? Where is the Foreign Minister? Where is the Min of Police?
      Possibly, who is the Minister of …….???
      
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      January 1, 2021 10:40am
      - sooty
        
        Overseas lying on the beach!
        She’s not going to sth auckland!
        
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        January 1, 2021 11:17am
      - pdm
        
        Yeah David she may be on duty.
        
        That is a lot different to her actually doing anything.
        
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        January 1, 2021 1:23pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  You only have to look at the divided states of Australia to know clearly that very few have a clue what they are doing to combat this scourge.
  The Covid testing commander in Victoria is a transport logistics guru. Mr weetie’s packet man.
  What makes any politician a so called expert on Covid?
  They are as good as where they seek their advice.
  I had the pleasure of taking a chartered train through China as Tour Manager at the height of sars. We made the 14 day journey from Alashankou to Beijing without any cases of sars. There was myself and a GP making all the decisions with the Chinese train Manager. We used common sense and kept to ourselves. One guy did get a cold and was treated like a leper by some other paxs.
  We were the last foreign group to leave China.
  When I got home I self isolated for 10 days then went on a South Pacific cruise. Went back to China with a tour within days. There was no hype and melt down like we have now.
  Elimination is impossible, this could go on for years and years. Blind leading the blind.
  I said to my former boss, we have lived through the best times in the last 100 years, unfortunately in our 70’s our luck has run out, life will never be what we lived through. It is today’s kids I really feel sorry for, they may go through a really shit life of debt and conformity, it could well happen the way things are going.
  The left are really wishing for what they truly don’t know the consequences of.
  When your Prime Minister has 1.6 m followers on Instagram and here leading contacts Insta puts up are in order:
  Hillary Barry
  Chloe Swarbrick
  NZ Labour
  Clarke Gayford
  Camilla Harris
  NZ police
  Barack Obama
  Michelle Obama
  Shit should care
  NZ Green Party
  The kids and all of us are in in for a rough ride but this is what they want.
  Happy new year.
  
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  January 1, 2021 10:14am
  - pdm
    
    Did they omit:
    
    Richie Hardcore
    Karel Sroubek
    
    by mistake or were their omissions intentional.
    
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    January 1, 2021 7:18pm
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What an excellent way to greet New Years day 1/01/21
Arise Sir Dave Dobyn

Welcome Home
Welcome Home

Tonight I am feeling for youUnder the state of a strange landYou have sacrificed much to be hereThere but for grace as I offer my handWelcome home, I bid you welcome, I bid you welcomeWelcome home from the bottom of my heartOut here on the edgeThe empire is fading by the dayAnd the world is so weary in warMaybe we’ll find that new waySo welcome home, see I made a space for you nowWelcome home from the bottom of our heartWelcome home from the bottom of our heartsKeep it coming now keep it coming nowYou’ll find most of us here with our hearts wide openKeep it coming now keep on coming now Keep it coming now keep on coming nowThere’s a woman with her hands tremblingAnd she sings with a mountain’s memoryThere’s a cloud the full length of…

With a bonus in Te Reo

https://youtu.be/Aa73ujK8m2w

Way to go!
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January 1, 2021 8:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  FFS. You cut and paste text to song with no punctuation and words running together.
  
  The fact that this guy got a knighthood illustrates that the honours do not warrant excellence. This guy is also on the record for decrying ‘neo liberalism’ and the marginalisation of the poor by the harsh hand of capitalism. Yet he now accepts a title of “Sir”.
  
  And some advice. Find something better to do with your life. I enjoy reading diverse opinions and I would like to see more commentators here arguing points of view that are different to mine. But honestly your comments are a waste of space and you would a achieve better results finding a forum with like minded individuals with similar capabilites in the English language.
  
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  January 1, 2021 9:50am
- lifesgood
  
  SB2 What a load of woke tosh. I used to admire Dobbyn but he is no more than a lefty, Jacinda sycophant, no wonder he got a knighthood.
  
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  January 1, 2021 9:56am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    To be fair to Mr Dobbyn, having met him in person, I can attest that he is actually a genuinely very nice guy. I don’t know how he reconciles his Christianity with his (presumed) fundamentally Godless political affiliation.
    
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    January 1, 2021 12:53pm
- Jack5
  
  That song …
  
  Rostered-on ?Stephie (SB2): you aren’t Ahmed Zaoui by any chance, are you? ?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10073445/Ahmed-Zaoui-a-New-Zealand-citizen
  
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  January 1, 2021 10:08am
- WaveyDavey
  
  If there was ever a dirge that would make me jump straight back onto the departing plane…
  
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  January 1, 2021 10:21am
  - Raniera
    
    And yet, after threatening to leave several times over the last 18 months, you’re still here.
    
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    January 1, 2021 11:30am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Yep. Because my partner won’t leave.
      
      I’m hoping that NZ finally goes properly down the toilet so she’ll also give up on it – bloody family ties
      
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      January 1, 2021 3:21pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Oh and bloody Covid put the mockers on our trial run in 2020
        
        On the (very nice) upside it’s meant a hefty increase on the old bank balance due in no small part to the govts generosity, so more cash to splash when we can finally head offshore
        
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        January 1, 2021 3:29pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  SB2, the downticks tell you what the majority thinks of you, Dopey Dobbyn and your stupid post.
  
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  January 1, 2021 10:26am
Fab4

Oh, so the Waikeria Prison debacle is not a riot, it’s a protest, so says Maori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi. Another boring, woke remark by a New Zealand MP. Fires being lit and shower doors being ripped off is only a protest? Perhaps Comrade Ardern could make another ”be kind” statement and even offer to buy the land, on our behalf and gift it back to the prisoners. I know Kelvin Davis is very busy these days, but I’m sure he could be made Minister of The Team, and get these prisoners back into the fold. Andrew Little will jump for joy because inmate numbers will come down even more.
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January 1, 2021 8:48am
- MCos
  
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  I belief that building is a hundred years old and was due to be demolished anyway. It’s not exactly a great loss.
  
  In the meantime Kelvin Davis says he won’t intervene until the situation is resolved by Corrections. Unfortunately Corrections don’t seem to have the ability to resolve the situation without either caving in, as they see it, or making it worse as the public will see it (apart from the hardliners).
  These guys do seem to have some genuine issues. It’s not some sort of gang warfare.
  
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  January 1, 2021 10:09am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner used to comment on WOBH before he got banned.
    He reckons Cam Slater would have described you as a ‘crim hugger’.
    
    Just saying 😀
    
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    January 1, 2021 11:05am
    - MCos
      
      You are very good at not taking responsibility for your comments.
      
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      January 1, 2021 12:24pm
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      Ive got far more fitting names then that mags, but unfortunatly our mods censor harder then youtube twitter and instagram
      
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      January 1, 2021 12:56pm
      - MFD
        
        Most of us grew out of name calling at the age of 8 or thereabouts.
        
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        January 1, 2021 7:46pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘It’s not some sort of gang warfare.’
    
    No , it’s part of the Cultural Revolution , New Zealand style .
    
    These are nasty dangerous people that no one would want as a neighbour and none of the blonds or brunettes reporting on this would want their daughters dating .
    
    And yet this riot and arson and huge destruction of taxpayer property is being posed as some sort of “social justice” event and that these drongos are worthy of our sympathy .
    
    PS If Little , Davis , and the rest of the crim huggers were so serious about prison reform how come these misunderstood lads are so unhappy. They’ve had plenty of time to fix the “problem”.
    
    Or is it just more of the same non delivery ?
    
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    January 1, 2021 11:44am
    - MCos
      
      Maybe they are ‘nasty people’ that you wouldn’t want living next door. However one day they will be out of there and living next door to someone, maybe you.
      
      PS What exactly is the ‘problem’, or don’t you think there is one?
      
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      January 1, 2021 4:31pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    So not a riot then, just a flat demolition party. I’m sure the Department of Corrections will have great success as landlord at The Tenancy Tribunal. Come to think of it, these guys should really get a life long tenancy without review.
    
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    January 1, 2021 3:25pm
Happychappy

It seems Dr Siouxsie Wiles wants a share of the headlines now Jacinda is on holiday and the main Labour MP’s are being found wanting and out of their depths with prison riots , Immigration applications from the wealthy all being put on hold while they celebrate their huge majority and promises they made to NZ er’s.
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January 1, 2021 9:07am
- MCos
  
  “Immigration applications from the wealthy all being put on hold”
  
  What’s happened? Some of Peter Thiel’s mates want citizenship?
  
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  January 1, 2021 10:14am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  The pink haired one does bear resemblance to a windsock, goes whichever way the wind is blowing at the time.
  
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  January 1, 2021 10:38am
JibberJabber

https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1344622010568159232/photo/1
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January 1, 2021 9:19am
Steve Todd

Here’s one for you, mikenmildagain – just in.

Subject? Donald Trump Jr; and it’s a beauty. Enjoy.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/rolltodisbelieve/2020/12/30/donald-trump-jr-and-the-lessons-authoritarians-learn/?
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January 1, 2021 9:43am
WaveyDavey

Here’s to 2021.

I hope it’s as good for me, or even better, than 2020 – a very good year
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January 1, 2021 9:46am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Haha, come on you miserable down-voters…
  
  It was a great year for some of us
  
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  January 1, 2021 10:22am
tf78

To any other smoker’s out there, just to let you know they have gone up $1/packet. What happened to that particular tax increase only being in place until 2020. Not looking forward to seeing even more children living in poverty in 2021. Well done Jacinda.
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January 1, 2021 10:05am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Good. While they’re paying the stupidity tax I’m not having to cover the shortfall
  
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  January 1, 2021 11:18am
- kowtow
  
  The Nats signed up to smoke free “A” and passed anti tobacco legislation smashing private property rights .
  
  At least the left are honest around their hatred of private property , what’s the Nat’s excuse ?
  
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  January 1, 2021 11:47am
  - tf78
    
    Kowtow, I think you will find it was Tariana Turea that instigated that little gem, not the Nats.
    
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    January 1, 2021 2:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Wellington City Council on the lookout for a creative storyteller.
http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=133559#more-133559
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January 1, 2021 10:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They could try the 9th floor of the bee’s nest – lots of stories come from there
  
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  January 1, 2021 11:14am
Maggie Pie

GAWD – imagine having a ‘Holiday Home’ at Whangamata 🙁
I recall going their for New Years with a few of the girls about 25 years ago. You could tell then from the state of the houses and the plebs that stayed there, it’s the last place on earth you’d ever want to be.

Nothings changed, obviously.
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January 1, 2021 10:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Mayor says there are currently 400,000 people in Whangamatā .
  Can that be right?
  
  Goudie said there are about 400,000 people currently in the town for the New Year
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/433906/police-make-22-arrests-after-rioting-in-whangamata
  
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  January 1, 2021 11:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WOW!! That would be like the entire population of South Auckland.
    
    Could be right.
    
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    January 1, 2021 11:51am
    - tf78
      
      Maggie, think of the water Auckland’s saving whilst everyone is on holiday using other peoples.
      
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      January 1, 2021 2:38pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Yes, my parents live there (retired). Mum says there has never been so many people there – we’ve been going since the late 80s. Also, usual population increase is from standing pop of ~4000 to ~120K in Xmas/New Year. Also, had to LOL at the riot last night, must be about 20 years since eat last one.
    
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    January 1, 2021 11:54am
Benedict Yu

More total lies under the banner “climate news”.

“With climate change causing more extreme coastal erosion and sea level rise, coastal communities are going to have to decide how to adapt. ”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/300191566/sea-level-rise-one-coastal-community-gets-a-seawall-another-retreats

No. Sea level rise has been negligible. There is zero evidence that “climate change” is causing more extreme coastal erosion. Coastal erosion is a natural phenomenon. If you could go back in time 200 years the coast of New Zealand would look different in most areas. River mouths, beaches, rocky headlands would all be different shapes and in different locations.

I don’t know how New Zealand journalists can get away with writing pure lies that are not backed up by science. Yes it is conceivable that climate change induced sea level rise could make some areas more vulnerable to coastal erosion over the next hundred years. But this article is stating that the erosion that is happening now is caused by “climate change”. It is shocking journalism.
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January 1, 2021 10:58am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It is also probably actionable. It must have affects on values, sales and insurances–all unjustified.
  
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  January 1, 2021 4:13pm
- greybeard
  
  I live on the Kapiti Coast.
  The sand dunes at the mouth of the Waimeha Stream have been retreating for all of the last 30-odd years we have been there. Every so often ( maybe twice a year ) the Regional Council spends thousands and thousands to hire contractors to straighten out the stream and keep it away from the dunes. Bloody hopeless. In a couple of weeks it is back on its own course. Total waste of money.
  What is interesting is that the erosion of the dunes due to river, wind and tides constantly exposes ancient logs which must have been buried deep under the sand ages ago. These logs were probably carried down rivers and deposited on the beach as happens today.
  So at some time in the past the high tides must have reached inland much further than at present.
  As you say, it has all happened before, many times, as it will in future.
  
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  January 1, 2021 4:41pm
Yvette

Criminal Justice Summit: Plenary discussion on over-representation of Māori in the system
Hon Kelvin Davis – Corrections, 21 August 2018

“I had never been hit or abused, until the day the men came to take me away. I still don’t even know why.”
That’s how Sam began to tell me his story at a marae in Whangarei.
Sam is now 60. The gang patches on his face still vivid.
His life has been spent in and out of prison. But now, he has had enough.
Enough of the violence. Enough of the P. Enough of ‘The Life.’
Sam was just 10 years-old when strangers arrived at his house in Mangere and took him away. His only crime was that he was born into a whānau of 16 children.
They took him away from his home, away from his family, and put him on a train to a boys’ home in Levin.
He had never known abuse or violence in his life until he walked through their doors.
Four years later – and Sam was put on another train and sent back to Auckland.
He told me that when he stepped off the train in Auckland he had changed so much as a person that it no longer felt like home. He felt like he no longer belonged there.
Within two weeks he had joined a gang – a new home, a new family he would remain with for the next 48 years.
When Sam told me his story – in fact when Māori across the country doing time tell me their stories – I can’t help but ask the question:
Why didn’t we do something? As a government, as Māori: Why didn’t we help?
…
There are 5000 Sams in our prisons. And they include his children, and his grandchildren.
We need to do something together to create a different future for Māori and for their whanau.
We need to break the cycle, connect them to their people, help them, and have hope for them. [1]
______

Waikeria Prison protest:
“They are protesting for their right to basic human needs. The environment in Waikeria prison is dehumanising. The water they are expected to drink is brown. They don’t get clothing or appropriate bedding. They are expected to wash their clothes in the yard shower.” – Māori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi
“For a Government who prides itself on kindness, they have allowed for an inhumane environment to fester. They are willingly allowing for breaches of basic human rights to occur. They need to sort it out now,” he said.
Rawiri Waititi calls for Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis to intervene after meeting inmates [2]

[1] https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/criminal-justice-summit-plenary-discussion-over-representation-māori-system
[2] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/01/waikeria-prison-protest-rawiri-waititi-calls-for-corrections-minister-kelvin-davis-to-intervene-after-meeting-inmates.html
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January 1, 2021 11:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bad boys, whatcha want,
  whatcha want, whatcha gonna do?
  When Minister Kelvin come for you
  Tell me whatcha want, whatcha gonna do?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkwwb-IjDfQ
  
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  January 1, 2021 2:50pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  They can fix the proportionality by arresting more Pakeha and running show trials to see they are imprisoned.
  Alternatively all the Maori could be released and only the Pakeha kept.
  
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  January 1, 2021 4:11pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Ironically Kelvin and his brothers are blamed by a Maori friend for his own disastrous previous life. I don’t know where truth lies but certainly it is much more complex than white on brown and political speechmaking.
  
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  January 1, 2021 9:15pm
Ruahine

RNZ setting the narrative on how we should think. Evidently we are rioting at Whangamata but only protesting at Waikeria.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/12/waikeria-prison-riot-searing-heat-taking-toll-on-inmates-m-ori-mp-rawiri-waititi-responds-to-offer-to-negotiate-with-prisoners.html
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news
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January 1, 2021 11:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Bored teens
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123854335/watch-bored-teens-run-riot-at-cafe-in-whangamat-on-new-years

or
self indulgent brats
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/433906/police-make-22-arrests-after-rioting-in-whangamata
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January 1, 2021 11:43am
- Prince
  
  I believe the latest term for these poor miguided creatures is ‘non-compliant’.
  The prisoner aren’t rioting, they are ‘non-compliant’.
  The vandals are ‘non-compliant’.
  We need to understand their needs better. Perhaps ‘free’ entertainment and enhancing substances on weekends would help them respond in a more positive manner to their taiao.
  
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  January 1, 2021 11:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It sounds like the feel-good prisons are here. Inmates are not friends to guards nor to each other.
    Discipline is required to keep people incarcerated.
    
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    January 1, 2021 4:07pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Both
  
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  January 1, 2021 11:55am
Wimpston peeders

Remind me again why the drinking age was lowered and not raised…
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January 1, 2021 11:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

Timeline of Newshub’s Covid-19 articles

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/01/coronavirus-a-breakdown-of-how-life-as-we-knew-it-changed-as-new-zealand-responded-to-covid-19.html
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January 1, 2021 11:58am
Maggie Pie

Just went down to put the toes in the water before lunch.
Some dude walked by wearing a Tee-Shirt that said…

“THIS IS WHAT A FEMINIST LOOKS LIKE”

I thought… ” Fair enough”. He had hairy legs, no tits, and a bit of a moustache.
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January 1, 2021 12:01pm
- Ruahine
  
  Maggie.
  Some of them have tits and look pregnant.
  
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  January 1, 2021 1:28pm
Yvette

Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch.™
“Labour won six of the seven Māori seats at the last election [2014]. Māori deserve more support than what the Nats and their hopeless helpers have delivered,” says Kelvin Davis.
“There’s no mana for Māori who support a waka [Maori Party] that’s shackled to the National Party. [1]

Māori Party co-leader Rawiri Waititi does seem to have answered the call of those at Waikeria before you have, Kelvin Davis.

[1] https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1702/S00255/no-mana-for-maori.htm
™ This is printed now, because when Andrew brings in his “hate speech” legislation, it is likely to be verboten, to quote such a generalisation, as, too, will the word verboten be verboten itself.
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January 1, 2021 12:03pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori are responsible for their own life choices. The “settlements” should be available to assist too.
  ~~Maori-More-Too~~ Scrub that.
  
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  January 1, 2021 4:03pm
MCos

We’ve just enjoyed a meal with a big crowd of Thais at the temple in Kelston.
I’m have to report there’s a bare minimum of assimilation going on here apart from the occasional p.a. announcement in English.
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January 1, 2021 12:09pm
Wimpston peeders

I used to blame tourists and esp asian ones for shitting everywhere but after visiting a few mates at camp ground yesterday ive changed my mind.
Multiple toilets around the place yet plenty of shit and paper scattered around the place, pretty obvious where the women go tinkle during evening drinks as just paper and no turd i think they need to learn to drip dry or walk 80m to the dunnies…

I thought kiwis would have been alot better then that when out and about in nz, would be awsome to start a trend of shitting in town folks backyards and playground since they love to shit in mine.
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January 1, 2021 12:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump has flown to DC. Traditionally he holds a red carpet party at Mar a Lago on New Years’ Eve.
Very unusual
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January 1, 2021 12:32pm
- RJ
  
  Ratcliffe Delivered his report last night.
  
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  January 1, 2021 12:57pm
- MCos
  
  He needs some time alone in the WH with his mates Rudy & Sidney to study KIA’s post on Kiwiblog Pt 1 and wait to see what’s next.
  
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  January 1, 2021 2:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Should downtick, but that is childish. Powel is not allowed in the WH according to some media. Rudi is in Florida according to some media. You are not being a troll are you?? Heaven forbid
    
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    January 1, 2021 3:43pm
    - MCos
      
      My apologies.
      I didn’t realize you were serious.
      
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      January 1, 2021 6:52pm
  - RJ
    
    Why would he, Powell, Rudy and a few others had a lovely Christmas with the president.
    
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    January 1, 2021 3:49pm
- SB2
  
  Hatching a coup away from his record umpteenth round of golf!
  
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  January 1, 2021 2:26pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What do you do for a living?
    
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    January 1, 2021 3:59pm
    - sooty
      
      Goatherder!
      
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      January 1, 2021 4:41pm
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      What a question
      Media consultants maybe
      Very hard to classify, not Golf course owner, you can rule that out
      
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      January 1, 2021 7:01pm
Jack5

The madness of the Woke continues.

New Zealand, a tiny exporting country, is always negotiating trade deals, trying to get into trade pacts, or defending negotiated trade deals.

But some citizens would sacrifice our trade security to join India and South Africa in breaking intellectual property rights on vaccines.

No doubt, the Woke media will back this Leftist “economic suicide” movement.

It builds on the bizarre demonstration in Auckland by hundreds of Indians calling for New Zealand to oppose liberalisation of Indian agriculture – liberalisation that would benefit New Zealand exporters.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/433890/govt-urged-to-side-with-india-and-south-africa-on-vaccine-access
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January 1, 2021 12:50pm
- KH
  
  I’m the opposite of woke and I support the challenge to the big pharmceutical companies as India and South Africa have.
  It’s a great move, but not woke.
  
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  January 1, 2021 9:29pm
Maggie Pie

Magic are reporting …. “terrorist threat at Gizzie airport”

Any update Maggs?
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January 1, 2021 1:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Just back from downtown…hadn’t noticed a thing.
  
  Flocks of youngsters in town crowding out the eateries (except where we had lunch).
  
  Saw a couple of cop cars doing the usual roadside checks, nothing out of the ordinary.
  
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  January 1, 2021 1:24pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Right. Twitter saying police have been ferrying airport evacuee’s in to the city for food and drinks.
    Sounds like you got out just in time.
    Expect flight delays.
    
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    January 1, 2021 1:38pm
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t Cindy at Gizzie ? – it is one of her usual holiday destinations where her In Laws reside.
  
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  January 1, 2021 1:40pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Not being married how does Cinders have In Laws?
    
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    January 1, 2021 3:58pm
Monique Watson

Department of Justice just my ice just threw out Gohmert and Co (Arizona plaintiffs) bid because they made several mistakes not the least of which was suing Pence instead of the House and Senate:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lawandcrime.com/2020-election/on-mike-pences-behalf-doj-tells-court-that-louie-gohmerts-attempt-to-sue-vp-is-a-walking-legal-contradiction/amp/
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January 1, 2021 1:53pm
- Mike
  
  It’s almost as if no competent lawyers will take these cases.
  
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  January 1, 2021 4:52pm
Maggie Pie

And there’s this…..

“We can stop prisoners rioting if we make prisons more LGBT friendly”
– Green MP Ricardo Menendez March.
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January 1, 2021 1:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What is it with these soft dick socialists/commies?
  
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  January 1, 2021 2:05pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL! My partner reckons you wouldn’t need to be of any particular persuasion in there anyway 😛
    
    Loved this response as well…….
    
    https://twitter.com/TomTwit1/status/1344781011901530112
    
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    January 1, 2021 2:21pm
  - SB2
    
    Short memories , Otto?
    
    They won in a landslide 17/10/20.
    
    Now for a change ponder carefully!
    
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    January 1, 2021 2:24pm
    - greybeard
      
      RMM is a Green.
      The Greens are only in Parliament at Labour’s whim.
      Maybe you should ponder a bit before lashing out.
      
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      January 1, 2021 2:45pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Wasting your time with stupid boy – he is as thick as two short planks – and a major KB troll
        
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        January 1, 2021 2:48pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Landslide? You should go to specsavers
      
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      January 1, 2021 2:46pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I can’t envisage a patched gang member wanting more rainbows floating around the prison corridors, unless they had a use for them.
  
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  January 1, 2021 2:37pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Send him in. No prob. Do it boyo.
  
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  January 1, 2021 3:25pm
curry4me

Happy new year everyone.
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January 1, 2021 3:22pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Thnx curry!
  And a Happy Year New to you and yours as well.
  
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  January 1, 2021 3:52pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnfIt2k7yU

CNN to go Soft on Beijing Biden.

I guess nobody should be surprised that CNN
prefer a globalist to a patriot. I guess if they
gave Beijing Biden a hard time, they’d
be on a coding course without their feet
touching the ground.
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January 1, 2021 3:23pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxyaEkegFmk

No Knighthood for Mr Brexit. Quelle Surprise.

So, Nigel Farage has done a lot for real UK independence.
He ticks all the wrong boxes though. Not gay, leftist, an ‘actor’, or
establishment member. So, no gong.
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January 1, 2021 3:23pm
Inandout

I have been pestered of late by Twitter to ‘contribute’. Then I read this and perhaps know the answer.
https://trends.gab.com/item/5fee78a1392e670a255dc20e
Go woke etc.
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January 1, 2021 3:26pm
Swifty

Vice doco on Iran, 2020:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voA0cS1JiGQ

Pretty good.
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January 1, 2021 3:34pm
Tony Stuart

National’s Corrections spokesman Simeon Brown has put out a statement on Waikeria this afternoon, although you’re unlikely to see it reported in any media; here ’tis:

WAIKERIA PRISON RIOT MUST BE INVESTIGATED

A full investigation must be undertaken into how the Waikeria Prison riot started and has been allowed to continue so long, National’s Corrections spokesperson Simeon Brown says.

“Waikeria Prison has suffered significant damage from this riot, which has forced Corrections to move hundreds of prisoners around the country to keep them safe.

“An independent investigation must be undertaken into how this riot started and whether the response to it has been adequate.

“Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis needs to show some leadership. He should visit Waikeria Prison to make sure those trying to resolve this situation have all the support they need.

“It is hard to believe this riot has been allowed to continue for four days. Control of the prison must be regained swiftly to prevent any further damage.

“I want to send my appreciation to all the Corrections staff and emergency service personnel involved in responding to the riot. Their wellbeing is critical in these difficult situations.”

It’s hard to disagree with any of what Brown says, which makes Davis’ refusal to do anything to resolve the riot even more incomprehensible. This is simply another failure from our government.
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January 1, 2021 3:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Where ‘around the Country?’
  At the relatives houses? New Years’ gift?
  These bastards are there for a reason – it is not a fucking hotel
  
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  January 1, 2021 4:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  We’ve just had some neighbors over for a drink.
  One of them was saying he sees this as being a harbinger for the introduction of Marai Based Justice.
  Those found guilty will be sentenced to remain on the Marai, consume a crate of DB each day, and must become proficient in Te Reo.
  
  My partner quipped it sounded like a verse from ‘Hotel California’
  LOL!!
  
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  January 1, 2021 4:14pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Maggie ,I don’t think you should be making fun of Cindy policies for 2021.
    
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    January 1, 2021 4:32pm
    - marcw
      
      It’s becoming obvious that “there will be no strikes on my watch” was only going to apply to Ardern’s plan for the first 3 years. New policy now they have fooled the voters into another 3 years.
      
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      January 1, 2021 7:10pm
      - sooty
        
        Yer maggie, she’s likely to burst into tears and have a screaming meltdown and throw things!
        It will be all your fault for upsetting the princess!
        
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        January 1, 2021 10:15pm
  - sooty
    
    It’s knackered mate, bet they rehouse the rest of the prisoners, all over the country.
    
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    January 1, 2021 4:37pm
- Mike
  
  Reported by RNZ. I can’t be arsed checking everywhere else. Are you going to keep up this sort of bullshit for yet another year?
  
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  January 1, 2021 5:23pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  The rioting has now stepped up a notch.
  
  They got shields and protective clothing and power tools and other makeshift weapons. They have also got in the drugs.
  
  They should give them an hour and then hit them with tear gas non-stop.
  
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  January 1, 2021 9:06pm
  - Mike
    
    Sounds like you are as expert in tactical law enforcement as you are in fraud investigations…
    
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    January 1, 2021 10:22pm
softail 1450

Sorry Folks although I can see a huge improvement in the CCP virus situation in 2021 we are still being governed by a clown show of fools and useless troughers that couldn’t organise a F–K at a supermarket, look at Kelvin, he doesn’t want to “get involved” until the problem is resolved…
Why,Why,Why are We paying the prick $5500 a week ??
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January 1, 2021 4:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Not a good look for R & V.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/01/second-death-linked-to-rhythm-and-vines-music-festival.html

2 deaths… Media quick to tell us that no suspicious circumstances/no drugs involved in either case.

(seems a bit early for autopsy results)
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January 1, 2021 5:45pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Chloe will be so pissed off the drugs may have been tested told them they are killers, still take them.
  Or on the other hand could have been an overdose of DB
  
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  January 1, 2021 7:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gisborne Airport operating again after bomb threat.
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January 1, 2021 6:00pm
RJ

Hmmm, mike pence to leave politics.
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January 1, 2021 6:48pm
- Mike
  
  Mother knows best
  
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  January 1, 2021 10:23pm
greybeard

With regard to the NYE riot at Whangamata last night, the Thames-Coromandel Mayor Sandra Goudie said:

“This has been a different year and we weren’t prepared for this.
The decisions we made [to manage the district over summer] were pre-Covid and the large number of domestic visitors wasn’t taken into account.”
Where has she been for the last 10 or 11 months?
The rest of NZ was resigned to the fact that overseas tourists would not be here in the foreseeable future, that New Zealanders were encouraged to go on holiday in NZ to prop up the industry, and that this had happened to a remarkable degree. Witness the constant influx of domestic visitors to Queenstown.
Did this woman actually believe that Whangamata would be exempt from this influx this year ?
Did she and the council do nothing to prepare for the inevitable crowds? What a doozy.
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January 1, 2021 6:54pm
Maggie Pie

Sounds like Ma has only just caught up with the news 😀

She TXT…
“Sir Brian Barratt-Boyes. ‘Sir’ David Dobbyn.
Have I missed something?”
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January 1, 2021 6:57pm
Maggie Pie

And you do realise that all that meat in Countdown is now a year old?
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