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cmm

2021 will be:
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December 31, 2020 8:01am
- cmm
  
  a) Better than 2020
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:02am
- cmm
  
  b) Worse than 2020
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:03am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    One or the other. Or just the same.
    
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    December 31, 2020 1:00pm
  - giltee
    
    A worse year, in fact 3 years. If the do nothing party wasn’t back in power with the majority they have 2021 would have to be a better year
    
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    December 31, 2020 3:19pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Anything but normal
  
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  December 31, 2020 3:48pm
Monique Watson

The year of the hotdog
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December 31, 2020 8:05am
- JackRabbit
  
  Are you implying that the woke left in Parliament who appear to have no sexual boundaries, will institute a naked “wiener and bun” day? 😉
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:46am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Oh my god I take that back! God forbid that Mexican Green kid gets the idea! He’ll have the feral white woke out in droves.
    
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    December 31, 2020 12:19pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Look at what he has already done!
      
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      December 31, 2020 12:55pm
    - kowtow
      
      Only he’s not Green , he might be a Green but he’s actually a Red. Many of the worst leftists were spawned from the middle classes .
      
      ‘Green’ , as we all know is a mask to fool the thick.
      
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      December 31, 2020 1:13pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    With the way your mind appears to work….please don’t write children’s books.
    
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    December 31, 2020 12:22pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      I had to introduce some levity into the post. If hotdogs are all we have to look forward to in 2021, then 2021 will be a dull year.
      
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      December 31, 2020 12:54pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Are the rumours true that Cindy will put NZ into full lockdown again mid-January due to the “new strain” that is magically traveling around the world?

As time goes by the conspiracy theories start to drop off one by one (as facts):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1-0XKYAZII&feature=emb_logo
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December 31, 2020 8:07am
- Mike
  
  There will be no shortage of Kiwibloggers to lap up tha conspiracy theory.
  
  [Keep up the one line trolling all day again today mma and there will be no-one to moderate – I’ve got better things to do. Mod.]
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Now that is the first time in 6 years I have seen anyone addressing MMA’s trolling.
    
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    December 31, 2020 8:53am
- Sacha
  
  Even if you only watch the first 10 minutes, you’ll see that this woman makes sense.
  By the end of 2121 when the jobless are trying to pay off their credit cards, will we look back ands how we. got there?
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:44am
  - kowtow
    
    2021 ?
    
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    December 31, 2020 8:57am
  - Sacha
    
    @kowtow – see what looking at youtube can do? I usually proof my comments pretty well:
    By the end of 2021. . . . . . will we look back and wonder how we got there?
    I must say that this woman has a creative line of thought, but science fiction has a strange way of coming to pass.
    
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    December 31, 2020 9:51am
    - kowtow
      
      Plenty reckon people will still be paying for this in 2121 . And that’s on top of all the unpaid debt from GFC , not to mention all day everday debts gubmints run up to keep Cuzzies etc on couches.
      
      The UK only just finished off paying its WW1 war debt a couple of years ago .
      
      ‘Chancellor George Osborne is to pay off the UK government’s remaining debt from World War One, the Treasury has announced.
      
      The government will repay the outstanding £1.9bn of debt from a 3.5% War Loan on 9 March 2015.’
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/business-30306579
      
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      December 31, 2020 11:18am
- dave_c_
  
  Have no doubt – Cindy will obey her Masters – If they say jump, she will jump, if they say lockdown, she will lockdown.
  This is all being orchestrated at frightening pace – very soon, we will have NO freedom to go about our business/lives as we would like.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:44am
  - Sacha
    
    or as someone else has famously said: it won’t happen overnight, but it WILL happen.
    All my alarms went to red when I read about Blue-tooth tracing – before that I was intrigued by Bill Gates and his flying visits.
    There are a few comments on BFD this morning too, and an interesting not-too-far-removed-from-reality you-tube video link.
    
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    December 31, 2020 9:57am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Who unlocked the “Gates of Hell?”
      
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      December 31, 2020 10:48am
- JackRabbit
  
  “new strain”
  
  If there isn’t a new strain, the vaccine will provide one.
  
  We can’t have people “getting better” without a vaccine.
  
  https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-care-homes-idUSKBN28K2IO
  It must be really bad when reuters have to fact check their own stories when they let the truth cat out of the bag.
  
  We can’t have anyone coming up with a non vaccine cure.
  
  https://www.biospectrumasia.com/news/91/16457/australian-develops-effective-triple-
  
  therapy-to-treat-covid-19.html
  https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/ziverdo-kit-22974209655.html
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:54pm
- giltee
  
  I don’t get involved in conspiracy theories but she makes some interesting points. Look at what’s been happening: Climate Change-Covid-BLM and it starts to seem like a pattern looking to an end result, control. The goal in the American elections was: get rid of trump at any cost, and it consolidated my suspicion when the media decided Biden had won before votes were fully counted. There’s no doubt in my mind the election was cooked and I believe both the courts, the media and the system aren’t interested and won’t fairly investigate the fraud. We’re moving to a cashless society and once that’s achieved banks and government can control our lives. Look at China where the whole population is going to be on digital identification systems and electronically monitored. Why else would the CCP want to do that other than to totally control its peoples lives. Socialists have got cunning, realising that the best way to grow is to create fear and when you have a scared population they’re easy to control. Very interesting times ahead.
  
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  December 31, 2020 5:40pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Is there a possibility that this is due to Trump pulling the USA out of the Paris Climate Change Agreement?
    
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    December 31, 2020 9:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How to tackle the housing mess

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2020/dec/28/jacinda-ardern-is-at-her-best-in-a-crisis-now-she-must-tackle-housing-affordability
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December 31, 2020 8:08am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  She is not good in a crisis. She is good at implementing a communist globalist agenda, oh and pretending to be nice, and green. I mean, she can’t even pronounce the word “women” correctly.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:09am
  - Unity
    
    She is a very good communicator (apart from the correct pronunciation of certain words) and that’s where it begins and ends. Nothing positive emanates from anything she says.
    
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    December 31, 2020 8:37am
    - sooty
      
      Not very good at actually doing stuff though!
      Everything she’s touched has turned to custard!
      You tell me something that has actual worked!
      
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      December 31, 2020 8:52am
      - curry4me
        
        sooty: Imagine how bad things would be if these people were competent? Imagine Prebs, Mike Moore, Sir Roger Douglas, Bassett, and Caygill running this government with these programs. Then, be thankful it is instead run by the likes of Twiford, and Kelvin.
        
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        December 31, 2020 1:11pm
      - artemisia
        
        Not sure if it was intended but most owners of housing and shares have done rather well under Ms Ardern’s leadership.
        
        Some of the increase in asset values is due to her government’s policies. Nice.
        
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        December 31, 2020 1:18pm
    - kowtow
      
      No less than Obummer , she is no great communicator nor orator .
      
      The Media Pardy have created a myth around both and a lot of not very smart people buy it uncritically or are simply in the Lefty camp and will believe whatever Big Brother has to tell ’em. And they haven’t even been subjected to Room 101.
      
      Cindy really is the Minister of Kindness ,the Media Pardy has seen to that too.
      
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      December 31, 2020 9:20am
    - Positan
      
      Should have up-ticked. She’s not a very good communicator – in fact she’s demonstrated she not very good at anything except overblown hugging.
      
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      December 31, 2020 10:00am
    - JackRabbit
      
      “She is a very good communicator”
      
      She is not good at anything.
      
      Good commentators are those who communicate reality, not fiction or the world as they see it.
      
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      December 31, 2020 10:50am
      - JackRabbit
        
        ..or the world as they want it.
        
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        December 31, 2020 11:09am
    - JibberJabber
      
      She’s an eggsellent communicader…
      
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      December 31, 2020 11:16am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Egg Seller – that’s an upgrade on being a Fish and Chip seller, if you get the yolk. “Let’s keep cracking” will be the new tagline.
        
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        December 31, 2020 12:58pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Jacinda doesn’t have a ‘best’.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:10am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Part of me does not want to disagree, Don but I do feel it is a mistake to underestimate Ardern. She has some skills and she uses them well. Her PR is good, she does empathy well, she does sympathy OK, she has developed the political nack of evasion and ducking.
    
    I believe a lot of people feel she is bringing a new dimension to politics and are hopeful that the change she keeps waffling on about will actually happen even they dont know what that change will be. These people dislike politics and think that we have been served badly by politicians for decades.
    
    You and I know they are wrong and the lights are slowly coming on as more people see no concrete action where it matters but trying to kid ourselves she is useless in each and every aspect of her job means we are overlooking the strengths of an ‘enemy’ we need to know well.
    
    Sun Tzu said, “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.”.
    
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    December 31, 2020 8:45am
    - kowtow
      
      I don’t agree at all .
      
      I see a nobody who got the job cos Little was electoral suicide and Labour were desperate .
      
      The media then turned her into a Madonna , literally from day one .
      
      Anecdote as proof .
      
      On her first day on the campaign trail as new labour leader she was asked by the media about that day’s interest rate meeting at the Central bank , she ‘replies she wasn’t aware it was on. The Media Pardy gave her a pass on that . Had she been from a conservative party she’d have been pilloried as a brainless , out of touch , not up to portfolio bimbo ……..( Contrast her treatment by the Media to that of Brash’s whom they went all out to make unelectable ) Agenda.
      
      Labour didn’t win the following election < Peters annointed them .
      
      Then came a series of unfortunate events , all of which she merely " appeared" to be kind in . The Media continued to promote that .
      
      The true proof of the pudding is in Duncan Garners' words "they couln't deliver a letter"
      
      Nuff said.
      
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      December 31, 2020 9:54am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Agree Tom Toddy,
      
      Communication is only 20 % spoken word, Probably even less so with social media and sound bites etc. In this regard Adern is hard to beat.
      
      Also Sun Tzu said words to this effect ” Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer”, This is where Adern fails and will probably end up being her undoing..
      
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      December 31, 2020 11:08am
      - sooty
        
        20% is the spoken word the rest is facial expressions, bobble heading and hand movements. She’s got that down pat then!
        
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        December 31, 2020 12:03pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Her mentor, in communications
        said
        “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
        Joseph Goebells
        
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        December 31, 2020 12:30pm
  - tf78
    
    She’s a ‘perfectionist’ haha, snigger, snigger!
    
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    December 31, 2020 9:18am
  - pdm
    
    `Jacinda doesn’t have a ‘best’.’
    
    Mmmm not sure about that – she definitely has a – what is best for Jacinda!!!
    
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    December 31, 2020 9:28am
- cmm
  
  They should tackle it exactly the same as they should tackle everything else: walk away and leave it to people that understand.
  
  The “housing crisis” is caused by one thing only: over regulation and government tampering.
  
  The solution to government interference is not MORE government interference, but they just can’t help themselves.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:14am
  - Mike
    
    Would you screed of no government interference extend to removing controls on immigration numbers?
    
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    December 31, 2020 8:17am
    - cmm
      
      Interesting question…
      
      Most of the need for immigration restrictions is because of other interference – most importantly welfare.
      
      But this is really just a straw man. I am not saying we need no government – just much less.
      
      Are the only two choices:
      A) No government at all.
      B) Government dabbling in just about everything.
      
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      December 31, 2020 8:50am
      - sooty
        
        If we had no benefit system at all, how many imigrants would we get and would they be of a higher class?
        
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        December 31, 2020 8:55am
      - rouppe
        
        That, I’ve noticed, it’s the modus operani of the Left.
        
        If you don’t agree with their view, you are automatically ascribed the extreme opposite view.
        
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        December 31, 2020 10:15am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep,
        The lefties have a very limited view of the world and Zilch understanding of the vast continuum of opinion folks hold.
        
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        December 31, 2020 10:40am
      - IC5000
        
        > Are the only two choices:
        
        Why, Because you say so?
        
        [Quit the one line trolling IC5000, or take a break. Mod.]
        
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        December 31, 2020 11:11am
      - MFD
        
        “The lefties have a very limited view of the world and Zilch understanding of the vast continuum of opinion folks hold”
        
        Subtle….and just a tad over head height for most.
        
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        December 31, 2020 1:58pm
  - Simon
    
    “They should tackle it exactly the same as they should tackle everything else: walk away and leave it to people that understand.”
    
    Lol – Comrade that is not how cults operate.
    
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    December 31, 2020 8:32am
  - redeye
    
    Jacinda Ardern says ‘sustained moderation’ remains the Government’s goal
    …
    acknowledging most people “expect” the value of their most valuable asset to keep rising.
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    Put to her that people who invest in shares, for example, don’t always expect the value of that asset to go up, so why should it be different for housing? Ardern responded: “This gets to the heart of the issue of why so many New Zealanders turn to the housing market.”
    Ardern then walked off stage …
    
    Reading between the lines – she has no clue but above all she wants to stay popular.
    
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    December 31, 2020 8:46am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘sustained moderation’
      
      Where’s the nuclear moment , ended up being what it always was , empty rhetoric for the cult followers .
      
      And where’s the Media Pardy to call her to account ?
      
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      December 31, 2020 11:11am
      - amospicton
        
        It just shows a complete lack of understanding. There is only one way to increase housing affordability – lower prices significantly. Everything else is tinkering round the edges. Does she have the courage to do this? No, no way. She has done absolutely nothing that required courage in her 3+ years on the job. I don’t believe the lockdown wasn’t courageous it was panic – blind naive panic.
        
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        December 31, 2020 12:28pm
    - Paulus
      
      What she has to do is to look after the many middle aged overweight ladies often public service employed who changed votes from National to Labour – well over 250,000.
      They are her balance and future and should she upset them at her peril because they will go ACT next time.
      Sorry left wingers but your vote is taken for granted whatever – you do not float anyway.
      
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      December 31, 2020 11:14am
- Ruahine
  
  How much of the $50 million did The Guardian get I wonder.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:21am
  - kevn
    
    @Ruahine… The Guardian but with NZ hack/paid off reporters providing the NZ content. May as well be the NZ Herald.
    
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    December 31, 2020 9:06am
- Paulus
  
  It appears that she has no plan let alone an idea to deal with the House unaffordability, and even more so Child Abuse and Poverty all of which are interrelated.
  She remains like the last three years clueless but she can smile and show how lovely she is and the mainly women will still think she is wonderful.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:21am
- Simon
  
  Lol – Covid 19 cult. Ardern can do anything. She cured the Rona and now housing. It is so funny.
  
  Team of 5 million = covid cult. Get on board with the cult.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:31am
- kowtow
  
  The only honest thing about that item was the disclaimer; (give then their due though they did it , so we know where it’s coming from )
  
  ‘Clint Smith is a former ministerial adviser to the minister of housing and urban development and former adviser to the Labour and Green parties. He now runs Victor Strategy and Communications.’
  
  He says ‘we” beat corona : we didn’t , we delayed the inevitable . It’s coming , maybe not this coming year but it’s coming.
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:05am
- KevO'Brien
  
  That takes a “cando” person. How many houses have they built so far? Twfordism wins with them–inaction personified.
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:48am
- Jimbob
  
  The Guardian is pure commie BS.
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:11am
  - SB2
    
    Infowars and NewsMaxx by contrast?
    
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    December 31, 2020 12:06pm
- rockape
  
  She tried and failed remember. It was called Kiwibuild.
  
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  December 31, 2020 12:31pm
Odakyu-sen

Dead cat bounce for the start of 2021?
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December 31, 2020 8:09am
- kowtow
  
  With all the gubmint money printing and with inflation less than 0 in interest at the bonks I reckon housing and share prices continue to go gangbusters for some time yet . But down the line , don’t have a crystal ball , the bust is going to be terrible .
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:08am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Nah, dead cat run over multiple times by truck and trailer units
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:16pm
Doctor Sigmund Freud

We will continue under the tyranny of the main-stream-media’s $125,000,000 lies about our GOD QUEEN NUTTER.

– Rest in Peace third trimester murdered babies.
– RIP the elderly convinced to die so relatives inherit early.
– RIP international tourism.
– RIP freedom of speech.
– RIP the productive sector.
– RIP workers priced out of the job market.
– RIP farmers.
– RIP house construction.
– RIP common sense.
– RIP National Party

and finally, RIP genuine kindness.

Let’s just stay in our bedrooms, close the curtains and ‘like’ social media all day and all night long.
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December 31, 2020 8:10am
Captain Mainwaring

What, no gong for Winston?
Will he have to wait for Queens Birthday and hope there are no legal issues still hanging around his neck?
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December 31, 2020 8:11am
- Mike
  
  Possibly he has not yet made his mind up about continuing in politics. A knighthood now would signal retirement, and will be available for him when he wants.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:16am
  - Don Beckett
    
    But remember – he didn’t want the baubles of office.
    
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    December 31, 2020 10:36am
- Happychappy
  
  Have they given National’s former speaker one to make sure the duck gets one when he retires, the left never stopped complaining when Sir David Carter was Speaker, so is this a leg up for Trevor Mallard to look foward to.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:38am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I heard Carter saying that the Speaker’s job is to maintain order in the House, not run protection for the Government (or words to that effect).
    
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    December 31, 2020 8:52am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It is tradition that former Speakers are knighted when they retire from politics.
    
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    December 31, 2020 1:01pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      But not John Bercow! ?????
      
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      December 31, 2020 7:45pm
- Jack5
  
  Sir Dave Dobbyn and, according to the Hooerald the “zenith” of the awards, Anne Salmond into the Order of New Zealand.
  
  Ahmed Zaoui, veteran of Algeria’s Islamic Salvation Front and subject of Dobbyn’s “Welcome Home” dirge, will no doubt congratulate the pop. musician.
  
  Salmond, Polynesia-centric star of the soft-science of anthropology, gets the Left Establishment’s approval tick for her re-assessment of Captain Cook.
  
  The Lefties rubbish relics of feudalism like honours systems, but love to use them when they get at the political wheel. Like all the Chinese Communist Party honchos who have become billionaires.
  
  This article about Beijing’s Red Aristocracy is seven years old. There will be even more Chinese Communist billionaires now.
  
  https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2013/04/30/chinas-communist-billionaires
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:42am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Dobbyn is a favourite of the left, just like the unfunny Topp twins.
    That’s all that’s needed for a gong under Cindy’s regime.
    
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    December 31, 2020 8:55am
  - Fletch
    
    Welcome Home came out long before the attack, etc… I doubt any Muslim is the subject.
    
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    December 31, 2020 9:54am
    - Jack5
      
      Fletch, Stuff says this:
      
      His [Zaoui’s] case became a political cause celebre, with musician Dave Dobbyn penning a song about his plight.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10073445/Ahmed-Zaoui-a-New-Zealand-citizen
      
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      December 31, 2020 1:33pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  They are a pretty motley mob this year, Capt. Warmists, socialists, karens, stirrers and a few deserving ones.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:53am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Too soon. I think he will get one unless he faces criminal charges.
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:34am
- Jimbob
  
  I see Dave Dobby was knighted for inciting riots against the police.
  Shaun Hendry for his science fiction theory.
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:13am
  - marcw
    
    Are you sure that was Dave Dobbyn? Tiki Taane was arrested in 2011 for allegedly inciting at a concert – not sure if he was subsequently convicted though.
    
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    December 31, 2020 10:26am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Dobbyn was charged….but cleared of “inciting violence”.
      
      https://nzhistory.govt.nz/queen-street-concert-ends-riot#:~:text=There%20were%20a%20few%20arrests,’&text=Dobbyn%20was%20eventually%20cleared%20of%20charges%20of%20inciting%20violence.
      
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      December 31, 2020 10:33am
- Rich Prick
  
  A gong, what for? Services to Winston?
  
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  December 31, 2020 11:02am
I remember when

It an honour:
It’s an honour to have been connected with covid-19 in any imaginable way.
Well that is certainly what this years New Years Honours List would suggest.
The Year of the Isolationists.
Perhaps next year it will have people who have actually found a way forward.
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December 31, 2020 8:16am
Benedict Yu

These honours seem kind of random. Dave Dobbyn does not seem to me to be a brilliant musician. The New Zealand Symphony Orchestra has several world class players. AFAIK none of these players have even received any honours.

https://www.nzso.co.nz/concerts-and-tickets/featured-artists/vesa-matti/

I’ve got nothing against the guy. Just questioning if his achievements deserve such a top honour.

Same with David Carter. Is he really the standout politician from the last 20 years? I can think of others like Steven Joyce.

Interested to hear contrary views.
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December 31, 2020 8:21am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Are all recipients of the honors actually honorable?
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:44am
- Jack5
  
  Carter? Vaguely remembered for the outlandish feather necklace he worse as Speaker. Did he do anything memorable?
  
  It’s MPs paying off someone who’s served as Speaker.
  
  In the queue now: Trevor Mallard.
  
  Also on today’s ‘s list: Burton Shipley, for services to basketball. Not for being home hubby to Jenny Shipley, of course, now that our first woman PM is tied up in the commercial courts over enterprises in which she served as a director.
  
  Keith Locke, veteran of the Greens’ hard, Left and scion of what was once NZ’s leading Stalinist family, becomes a member of the NZ Order of Merit. The award is for “services to human rights advocacy”.
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:05am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I missed the Locke one. That guy is a piece of work. A menace. Just reinforces that the whole show is politicised.
    
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    December 31, 2020 9:41am
    - Paulus
      
      Locke was furious when he actually found out the SIS did not have file on him.
      He thrived on the statement but was upset when it was proven otherwise.
      
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      December 31, 2020 11:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There do seem to be a lot of old white folk in the latest list.
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:41am
  - sooty
    
    But then the biggest population group is old white folks! So you would assume they would get more gongs, unless you had cultural appreciation!
    
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    December 31, 2020 12:09pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Maggy, I missed out.
    
    Again.
    
    Sniff, eh?
    
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    December 31, 2020 4:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yeah,
      next time enclose a bigger cheque with your nomination form…and remember NOT to sign it off yourself.
      
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      December 31, 2020 6:53pm
- Fletch
  
  The New Zealand Symphony Orchestra has several world class players. AFAIK none of these players have even received any honours.
  
  Perhaps, but have you ever heard of any of them? I suppose it comes down to the creation of music vs skillfully playing already-written music.
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:55am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I have heard of them because I go to their concerts..
    
    I have not heard of 95 percent of the people who got honours.
    
    I’m just saying that becoming a world class violinist and devoting 20 years to the NZSO for very modest pay is an achievement that should be recognised. Much more deserving than Keith Locke, communist menace.
    
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    December 31, 2020 10:17am
  - bruceavon
    
    Yes. A terrible argument re. Dobbyn. None of the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra members have ever created or written anything. It is a glorified cover band. I don’t particularly like Dave Dobbyn but he’s written a bunch of songs that have defined this country. Just try sitting in a crowd of kiwis when they play one to found out.
    
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    December 31, 2020 1:29pm
    - Jack5
      
      C’mon Bruce, elevating Dobbyn above the NZSO is comparable to rating Munich Beer Festival bands above the Berlin Philharmonic and Beethoven.
      
      On another tack: Dobbyn’s “Whaling” must be the one of the worst sea songs or shanties created. The lyrics include this chorus:
      
      Out on the green – I’ll never get used to the sea
      But I’m whaling – manning my harpoon
      Not where wanted to be – I’m whaling
      I feel like Jonah – never meaning you no harm
      But I’m whaling – next port of call- back in my sweet baby’s arms
      In a room – close – savouring our love while we got rest and recreation.
      
      Shiver me timbers!
      
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      December 31, 2020 3:12pm
- MCos
  
  I think the knighting of retired speakers is a formality, as was his feigning surprise at the award.
  
  Over in England honours seem to be handed out like lollies. Beefy Botham is now Baron Botham, of Ravensworth in the County of North Yorkshire.
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:59am
Jack5

National would be smart to make use of the chance to get media coverage in the holiday season.

There’s a dearth of news, and the second teams are holding the forts while the Leftist lackeys enjoy the fruits of capitalism at the beach. It’s the same whether it’s State TV, State radio, or the subsidised newspapers.

They will be scrabbling to find interesting news.

It’s a good chance to get coverage if you pick issues with a bit of oomph to attract the readers.

Religionists who would restrict our freedom of speech seem aware of this. Don’t bump into them or otherwise upset them at the supermarket or mall. Otherwise you’ll likely feature in video or audio clips on the media … and get thrown out of store.
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December 31, 2020 8:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I have commented before that I am a strong defender of freedom of speech. But it is never acceptable to approach am obviously Muslim person in a shopping mall and aggressively tell them “to go back to your own country.”
  
  It happened to me once. (Not in a shopping mall). It is not a nice feeling.
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:10am
  - MCos
    
    One thing I can say about all the years I lived in Thailand. Nobody ever had a go at me because I was a foreigner.
    Earlier on before I figured things out some taxi drivers & others would try and pull the wool over my eyes, but that was about it.
    Sharp practice wasn’t just exercised on foreigners, mind you. One fine day a bunch of the family hired a boat on the Mae Khlong, which is a wide slow moving river. Once we were out in mid stream the driver cut the engine & announced the price had suddenly doubled.
    Unfortunately for him he didn’t realize he was dealing with the stingiest family of Thais in SEAsia.
    Nobody said a word, but I’m here to say where my sister in law spat that day, that boat don’t hold water no more!
    
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    December 31, 2020 10:39am
  - oldfella
    
    Benedict, I’m sure it was an unpleasant experience for you, and really poor form by whoever slagged you off. But you didn’t go running to the media and use the incident to call for tougher laws surrounding free speech.
    Which happened in this case, with our Human Rights Commissioner, Meng Foon, jumping in right on cue to remind us that this is a good example of why we need more restrictions, even I think the incident was just uncalled for rudeness.
    And once we start to ban ‘unkind’ words, DPF may as well close down this blog.
    
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    December 31, 2020 10:41am
    - Jack5
      
      I sympathise with Benedict, but I recall being called “gweilo” more than once in dark back blocks of Hong Kong. This is a derogatory term Cantonese speakers use to describe White people.
      
      I laughed it at off, as my friends would, and just as I would let go someone ranting at me in a supermarket over a minor incident. If I had griped to the Hong Kong police I would have been rightly laughed at, and my fight-or-flight reaction didn’t and doesn’t include whingeing to the media.
      
      Racism is everywhere. If it’s only words, and not a physical threat or some infringement of your right to do something, let it go.
      
      I’ve been sceptical about racist incidents such as the Rangiora one at the centre of this discussion since a group of Muslim girls in Waikato naturally took offence at the abusive ranting of a drunk Maori girl.
      
      In court, the Waikato Maori girl proved to be a hapless near-idiot, and one Muslim girl proved to be the public relations officer of a prominent New Zealand organisation.
      
      The court action; the public denunciation; the pretentious, self-righteous lecturing by the all and sundry; the self-righteous sermons in the Woke media; and the solemn police warnings to all were out of proportion to the offence.
      
      Meng Foon is under the command of the Left-wing Corbynist who runs the Human Rights Commission.
      
      How ironic, that the “human rights” commission has become a leader in the charge to slash our freedom of speech. It deserves to be abolished.
      
      To my mind, Meng Foon raises questions about his fitness to be Race Relations Commissioner by his praise today of the abject apology by Stuff for its allegedly racist reporting over a century. This was an unjustified apology by a tiny sector on behalf of a large group insulted a large racial group.
      
      Meng Foon showed his ignorance in labelling a national policy of assimilation as racist.
      
      You may disagree with assimilation and support multiculturism, but assimilation is the “melting pot” policy of the United States that saw that great country absorb people of many races and cultures.
      
      Assimilation does not by definition entail measures such as those being used by China against the Uighurs in the territory to the north-west China officially took over in 1949.
      
      Assimilation is an alternative route to multiculturism. It promotes one dominant culture and language. If people of various countries voluntarily, and even enthusiastically, migrate to a country with a policy of assimilation rather than multiculturism, these migrants are choosing the hope and goal of equality.
      
      Meng Foon ought to try selling multiculturism to the peoples of the former Yugoslavia, or the present day people of Latvia and Estonia with their big Russian minorities, or to the Tigray minority of Ethiopia who would love their own small state.
      
      By branding a national policy of assimilation as racist, Meng Foon leaps to a simplistic conclusion that brands as racist hundreds of millions of decent, civilised people. He also diluted the meaning and power of the word “racism”.
      
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      December 31, 2020 12:09pm
      - MCos
        
        Don’t even think assimilation for people that leave here to live in Asia, Middle East . . .
        
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        December 31, 2020 1:04pm
      - Jack5
        
        Edit: This was an unjustified apology ~~by a tiny sector~~ that insulted the largest racial group in the country.
        
        Sorry for the error.
        
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        December 31, 2020 1:08pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I agree – I don’t think it should be illegal to say to someone “go back to your own country”. Because where do you draw the line?
        
        But we should encourage a culture that yelling insults at someone in a shopping mall is unacceptable and, critically, the passers by who witness such behaviour need to step in. I would.
        
        If the person saying “go back to your country” then proceeds to issue threats of violence or harm, then they can be arrested as we already have laws to deal with that.
        
        If someone comes up to me and says “You look Taiwanese. I hate all Taiwanese people” I will be offended but that does not make that action illegal. We do not have a right to be free of offence. Just free from harm.
        
        I heard the idiot mayor of Queenstown on the radio who literally said “Criticising someone’s religion is hate speech.” What crap. Imagine if it had been illegal to criticise the Catholic Church over the last 200 years!
        
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        December 31, 2020 1:16pm
      - kowtow
        
        Karl du Fresne ‘s excellent take
        
        ‘Anjum Rahman from the Islamic Women’s Council has described the recent unpleasantness in the Rangiora branch of Farmers as an example of hate crime. I think we should be very wary of such hyperbole.’
        
        http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2020/12/today-in-new-zealand.html
        
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        December 31, 2020 3:31pm
Paulus

Sadly we believe that with a cause Winston will sadly deteriorate quiet quickly.
He appears to have done his race – and should be ashamed at what he has left.
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December 31, 2020 8:23am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Indeed. History will judge him poorly.
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:33am
- Nickc2
  
  Well Paulus, he did save us from a Capital Gains Tax. He deserves our thanks for that.
  
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  December 31, 2020 11:00am
  - kowtow
    
    Would people please stop saying he “saved” us from anything . He anointed her and the country got shafted .
    
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    December 31, 2020 12:07pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Agree, but a CGT did not play a part in our shafting.
      
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      December 31, 2020 12:32pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was just saying it’s not often you come across an ‘Insolvency Practitioner’ with a sense of humor (……or an Accountant for that matter) 😀

https://twitter.com/damienmgrant/status/1344137663708708864
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December 31, 2020 8:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Brilliant.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:57am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Holiday road toll now standing at nine.

Funny how the Police & media trumpet their impositions on the rest of us when the road toll is below average, but are strangely silent when it trends in the opposite direction.
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December 31, 2020 8:32am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I do lot of driving. I just don’t get the police messaging about road safety.
  
  These are the current messages from police about driving:
  
  Plan ahead.
  Don’t drink and drive.
  Watch out for fatigue.
  Slow down and drive to the conditions.
  Keep your cool.
  Buckle up.
  
  How about this alternative message:
  
  “New Zealand Police are aware that most serious accidents are caused by a small number of idiots who drive aggressively. You know the ones – they don’t have safe following distances, they weave in and out of traffic, they drive faster than it is safe to do so. They scare the shit out of you. We have set up a dedicated unit to deal with these people. If you see one of these idiots on the road immediately phone this number [xxx] with your location and as many details as possible, and with the licence plate number if you can get it. The nearest patrol car will be immediately on to it.
  
  You will be happy to know that we have realised that this kind of unit is a better way to keep you safe than booking you for driving at 110 kmh on a mostly empty motorway.
  
  Have a nice holiday”
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:02am
  - kevn
    
    @Benedict… You mean the aggressive or majorly inattentive drivers who are stoned/fried ?
    Does *555 still work ?
    
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    December 31, 2020 9:41am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Does *555 still work ?”
      
      Maybe – but the point of my comment was about reallocating resources from low risk speeding detection to getting crazy people off the road. Last night I drove back to Christchurch on the Southern motorway. Traffic was very light. Fine weather. It would have been perfectly safe to drive at 130. Yet sure enough there was a police car parked up with his radar on.
      
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      December 31, 2020 4:44pm
      - marcw
        
        “It would have been perfectly safe to drive at 130.”
        
        Maybe not BY, considering this:
        
        “One person has died and two people have been injured in a car crash in Christchurch on Wednesday evening.
        A police spokeswoman said the single-car crash happened on Russley Road in Christchurch between Johns Rd and
        the Memorial Ave off ramp at about 10.45pm on Wednesday.”
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/300195846/one-person-dead-and-others-injured-following-car-crash-in-christchurch
        
        That’s your Southern motorway, though to be fair, it doesn’t give any clue as to the cause of the crash (as usual).
        
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        December 31, 2020 4:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Plod is not chasing vehicles anymore – too dangerous
    
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    December 31, 2020 9:56am
- kowtow
  
  Yep , they can’t take the credit when by sheer chance it is below average and not then take the blame if it’s above. But when it’s good for them they’re “proud ” of their achievement s and the hard work they keep telling us they do and when it’s shit they tell us “we all have to do much better”.
  
  Taking credit means they explicitly believe they have control over whether someone , literally ,failed to stop at a junction and give way or fell asleep at the wheel or is just young and reckless …….
  
  You can see where this type of bureaucratic thinking leads when it comes to the weather …….
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:14am
- amospicton
  
  If you apply the approach the PM took to the virus shouldn’t she now be eliminating cars?
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:25am
- RJ
  
  How are the media and the police strangely quiet? Every crash has been reported by the media, the police are commenting to the media and public about it. Perhaps read the news.
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:34am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Theyve learned that from the great jacinda.
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:43pm
Andrei

Goodbye Facebook
Hello Parler
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December 31, 2020 8:42am
Maggie Pie

“There is a time for peace and a time for war”.
– Ecclesiastes 3:8

Twitter bestie ‘Lauren Southern’ tweeted me yesterday with a link to her latest doco
– CROSSFIRE.

We watched it last night. Both shocking and disturbing. Thort it worth sharing with the group.

https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/1344098082825244672

WARNING: Graphic scenes of violence and death
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December 31, 2020 8:49am
I remember when

Out in the garden late afternoon yesterday when a little petite Chinese lady headed for my letterbox.
I took the pamphlet from her thinking it might be of a religious nature.
It read ‘End CCP’ and Eliminate the Demon CCP and Now Sign The Petition.
She said she had fled from the Chinese Communist Party twenty years ago. That she was worried that they were infiltrating our Institutions. Seemed pleased to have a chance to express her concerns to someone.
Yes the pamphlet does mention Falun Gong.
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December 31, 2020 8:59am
- Swifty
  
  They’re at the main entrance to the Avondale Market every Sunday morning with the same pamphlets.
  
  Yep – Falun Gong.
  
  Mumbo jumbo.
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:51am
  - kowtow
    
    At least they’re free to practise it , isn’t that what we value in the west . Freedom , of speech , association , belief etc
    
    Christmas is mumbo jumbo to Marxists and agressive atheists , New Years’ celebrations to the anti alchol puritans , etc
    
    If we’re free and not interfering with others then why the hell not celebrate that .
    
    In China they get organ harvested and disappeared …….
    
    And we “free trade” and have military visits from that regime ,and make sure our best and brightest go up there to “kowtow” while our Media go Trump , Trump, Trump.
    
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    December 31, 2020 11:41am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    Sure, it’s scientific mumbo-jumbo, but it is a quietistic religion whose leader’s texts preach character improvement based on the principles of truth, compassion and a term variously translated as forbearance/endurance/toleration.
    
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    December 31, 2020 1:08pm
    - kowtow
      
      They made a big mistake taking on the Elites of the CCP by surrounding their summer retreat at Zhong Nan Hai.
      
      Western Wokists make much of the colonial powers sacking the Imperial palace back in 1860 , but most in the west are very quiet about Falun Gong disappearances and organ harvesting…..
      
      Shh , bad for trade old bean.
      
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      December 31, 2020 3:16pm
Clyde

And still the prisoners are running and destroying the prison. Is no-one else concerned?
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December 31, 2020 9:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Guess they like sleeping on concrete floors
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:11am
- Rich Prick
  
  Extinguish the fires, let them back in, lock the doors. How hard can it be?
  
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  December 31, 2020 12:11pm
  - kevn
    
    @Rich… Monsoon bucket to flush them away?
    
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    December 31, 2020 12:16pm
  - Hollyfield
    
    I quite like the idea of continuing to leave them on the roof without food and water until they give up. They will feel a humiliation in surrendering that they would not feel if they were forcibly removed now.
    
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    December 31, 2020 1:15pm
    - Clyde
      
      No, the latest is the cowboy hat, face scribble guy from the East Polynesian Party is going to get involved. This is what he had to say from the RNZ website:
      
      “Waititi said he would happily speak with the prisoners.
      
      “When your people are 50 percent of the prison population and the system continuously is feasting on the disfunction it’s created amongst my people, of course I want to talk to them.
      
      “This is indicative of a failing justice system and this has been going on for many years – if you are 50 percent of the prison population it shows the systemic racism we have and the rioting is there because there is ill treatment,” he said.
      
      Waititi said the Minister of Corrections needed to see if Hokai Rangi was working.
      
      Hokai Rangi, a strategy introduced by the Department of Corrections in 2019, aims to drastically cut the number of Māori in prison from 52 percent down to 16 – to match the overall Māori population. The five-year goal is to reduce the number by 10 percent.”
      
      You couldn’t make it up.
      
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      December 31, 2020 4:09pm
KevO'Brien

Fascinating. Two brilliant minds, scholars, historians discuss how China has got behind the American’s weaknesses and delivered a severe blow…
An hour and a half video but it will tease your thinking.
https://joannenova.com.au/2020/12/china-is-taking-down-usa-from-within-says-patrick-byrne/#more-74998
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December 31, 2020 9:51am
- SB2
  
  Jerome R. Corsi who works in close association with Infor Wars and indulging in wild deep state conspiracy theories,
  
  https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/pro-trump-conspiracy-peddler-jerome-corsi-apologizes-to-seth-richs-family-802581/
  
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  December 31, 2020 11:56am
- RJ
  
  Patrick is an extremely interesting man. You notice the local troll doesn’t even watch it and instead attacks a man who has zero to do with what Patrick is saying other than to be the interviewer.
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:54pm
Maggie Pie

As we have all long suspected, proof emerges that the CCP fudged the numbers on its own Coronavirus infections.

The Wuhan outbreak was at least 10 TIMES LARGER than originally reported!

https://twitter.com/newscomauHQ/status/1344377719140675587

CHYNAA MUST PAY!!
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December 31, 2020 9:52am
- oldfella
  
  ‘Chynaa is asshole!’ If you put that on a t-shirt and wore it to Sylvia Park Mall in Auckland, would you get …
  1) Applauded
  2) Arrested
  3) Torn to shreds
  4) Other
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Probably arrested. Control freak Plod would say it’s for your own safety
    
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    December 31, 2020 11:13am
    - kowtow
      
      Or that you’re “inciting” racial disharmony …….
      
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      December 31, 2020 12:00pm
  - MCos
    
    Let’s not be melodramatic.
    Falon Gong have been doing that for years.
    The difference is their message is way more sophisticated and far more effective because they target the source of problem.
    
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    December 31, 2020 4:01pm
- SB2
  
  MP, have you a Madarin translate?
  
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  December 31, 2020 11:50am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’m on Apple.
    
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    December 31, 2020 1:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Men who voted for Biden – just saying.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/545491349667859/permalink/724656705084655/

[Why does this link take me to a Trump supporters private group Steve? Mod.]
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December 31, 2020 9:57am
- Fletch
  
  ^^ you do realize that this is a private Facebook group and only members can view posts within?
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They know members are sharing. I have spoken with the Admin. It is private to keep the trolls out
    
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    December 31, 2020 10:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Oh, I was thoroughly vetted before they accepted me
      
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      December 31, 2020 10:36am
    - Fletch
      
      Yep, but what I am saying is that because it is private, I (and others) do not see anything when clicking on the link. It just goes to the group which says it is private.
      
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      December 31, 2020 12:44pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Works for me, even when not on facebook. It is an image of a man? with a cameltoe
        
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        December 31, 2020 1:56pm
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    Almost all of ottos facesmack posts are useless and private groups.
    
    [I’ve asked other posters to quit the one line trolling today, it applies to you too. Mod.]
    
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    December 31, 2020 1:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It was copied from my Facebook. I joined that group.
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:10am
  - SB2
    
    Give us a daily precis of your posts in the Ptve facebook group?
    
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    December 31, 2020 12:02pm
  - Sacha
    
    Steve, we can click on the link and get the title page, but if we are not members we cannot see any discussions. Only members like you can see what is posted.
    We would have to click on the blue tab (top right on the title page):
    Join Group
    and wait to be accepted as members before we could see any posts.
    
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    December 31, 2020 1:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Strange. Even when I am not logged on to FB, it works for me.
      
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      December 31, 2020 1:57pm
      - Alan1930
        
        If you accept FB cookies then you are never ‘not logged in to Facebook’.
        
        Additionally, many many sites (including WordPress which this site uses) share info with Facebook. Hence they know exactly who you are when you post here.
        
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        December 31, 2020 9:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not working for some. Do it the old way:
  https://www.dropbox.com/s/a85l2otn3tlgu61/biden%20voter.jpg?dl=0
  
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  December 31, 2020 2:10pm
Maggie Pie

Mexico have just 20 days left to pay for the wall.
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December 31, 2020 10:02am
- kowtow
  
  Obummer gave them millions to prevent southern “incursions” , but the Media Pardy didn’t mind that…..
  
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  December 31, 2020 12:02pm
Fletch

I see that one of the groups that feeds the kids breakfast and lunch in school are concerned that because it is the holidays they won’t be being fed at the moment and that they should be fed all year long via the taxpayer.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/lunch-provider-students-in-need-says-kids-should-continue-receive-meals-during-holidays

Really? That just points out how ridiculous the scheme is. If parents can’t afford to feed their kids at home then there’s something wrong. Then there is the call for period products to be free for all. Hell, what else do they want the govt to give us? And isn’t it called socialism?
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December 31, 2020 10:05am
- RJ
  
  Some will be struggling to feed their kids because they have lost their job because of the virus
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:25am
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    The rest will be hungry because mum (and dad?) Stocked up on booze and drugs for new years
    
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    December 31, 2020 1:24pm
- fernglas
  
  Feeding hungry kids at school isn’t Socialism’s biggest fault. Helping poor young women who can’t go to school during their periods because there is no money in the house for sanitary products isn’t either. I would have thought that a good capitalist like yourself would recognise that any country as small as this can’t afford to leave anyone regardless of gender or social class uneducated because of poverty, because it just reduces the number and quality of the available pool of workers.
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:28am
  - Fletch
    
    That’s why we have agencies, to help the less well off – but on a case by case basis. This blanket policy isn’t needed and will be taken advantage of. Because a few girls can’t afford period products doesn’t mean that you make them free for everyone. That is stupid and expensive. It also doesn’t make any sense. The Warehouse is selling a 10 pack of sanitary pads for $1. Don’t tell me that families with laptops and big screen TVs can’t afford that. Or can’t get help from WINZ (or whatever Maori name they are going by now) to afford that. I won’t believe you.
    
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    December 31, 2020 11:26am
  - Nickc2
    
    Pool of workers? Get real fernglas. We probably have per-head of population the greatest pool of unemployed youth in the world and they are sitting on their arses doing sweet FA by choice. They have all had their chance at education and for reasons best known to them, they did not take advantage of it.
    I do not contribute to the notion that taxpayers should support these people and nor do I contribute to the notion that we taxpayers should undertake to feed and clothe their offspring. This is socialism 101 IMO and we need a Govt. that has the balls to say enough is enough and everyone who brings a child into this world is responsible for it until such time as it is of an age whereby it can leave school and fend for itself.
    Yes, there will be a few that fall through the net and we taxpayers should support them but such occurrences should be the exception rather than the rule.
    
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    December 31, 2020 11:37am
  - Rich Prick
    
    You know they cost seven cents each? Poverty of parental responsibility is what we have in the first world.
    
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    December 31, 2020 12:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Anything free was taken from someone else first
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:38am
  - sooty
    
    What happens when they get old enough to leave school? Do we still feed them?
    
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    December 31, 2020 10:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, they go on the dole, or go to Uni with a huge student loan and get a degree in political science. Then they lecture political science. You will feed them for the rest of their life
      
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      December 31, 2020 11:29am
      - sooty
        
        I was thinking more of a soup kitchen!
        I know we will pay throught nose to support beneficiaries till they die!
        
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        December 31, 2020 12:14pm
- MCos
  
  “Hell, what else do they want the govt to give us?”
  
  I don’t think these schemes have you in mind.
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:49am
- oldfella
  
  Fletch, same problem with the planned handout of ‘free’ computers to disadvantaged kids stuck at home during lockdown (if that even happened).
  Will the free lunches even get to the right kids, or will other family members grab the food.
  Giving away ‘free’ stuff in an uncontrolled environment doesn’t work, but I do think we have a collective duty to help kids who are poor, and suffering for reasons beyond their control like belonging to crap families.
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:54am
  - kevn
    
    @oldfella… Add the 1000’s of modems that did get sent out randomly. Along with the 1000’s in storage.
    
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    December 31, 2020 12:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

If NZ takes up the Oxford Uni- AstraZeneca vaccine, I wonder if the Greens will bleat on about Genetic Modification/ Genetic Engineering, or if they’ll go very quiet about the origins of the vaccine.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/30/uk/uk-oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-intl-hnk/index.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55041371
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December 31, 2020 10:29am
Maggie Pie

We’ve got Ma going over to our place while we’re away to check everything’s okay and get the papers out of the box.
Speaking to her earlier on. She was saying she’s having trouble sleeping at the moment. Ended up listening to the ‘midnite till dawn’ Talkback on ZB last night. Reckons there’s nothing quite like a shallow 4.5 quake beneath Upper Hutt in the early hours of the morning to bring out the REAL whacko’s!

LOL!!
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December 31, 2020 10:33am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Add: ‘An (almost) Full Moon and New Years Eve’.
  Police and A&E will be waiting with trepidation. They know.
  
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  December 31, 2020 12:12pm
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    Bout time emergency services just shut their doors for once at new years, muppets need to learn that if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes and darwin offers the best prize of all for those that wish to embark on ultimate drunken stupidity.
    
    I feel so sorry for what a&e have to deal with through the silly season. Should breath test at the door and only accept those that blow under the 250 limit.
    
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    December 31, 2020 2:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here is another from a private group. Admin is Olga Pinsky, an author and American immigrant from Ukraine. I am allowed to share.
‘Different types of silencers’
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2188883494769720/permalink/2905417423116320/
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December 31, 2020 10:44am
- Alan1930
  
  You’re really not getting the ‘private’ part of ‘private group’ are you?
  
  Unless people here are members of that group they will not be able to see the content. Period.
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:51pm
MCos

Yesterday I watched the cricket, which for a large part of the day, if not most of the match, was just a little on the tedious side.
However you’ll never be a fan of test cricket if you’re not prepared to pay close attention while nothing much is going on & what do you know Lanky Jamison & Neil Busted Toes Wagner start running through the opposition and Santiner, after five days of innocuous bowling starts bowling hand grenades.
Now the team are #1 without any rock stars.
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December 31, 2020 11:05am
- Tony Stuart
  
  If you didn’t appreciate the ebbs and flows of yesterday’s play MCos, I’d suggest you’re not a true devotee of test cricket.
  
  I love the line I saw the other day about Wagner. Someone had written that the doctors had cleared him to play as long as he could “tolerate the pain”. On Twitter, this wonderful comment was made:
  
  Neil Wagner doesn’t tolerate pain. Pain tolerates Neil Wagner!
  
  Interestingly, Wagner overtook Christopher Cairns yesterday to become New Zealand’s sixth highest test wicket-taker with 219 to date. And Kyle Jamieson became the second-fastest New Zealand bowler to 25 test wickets, reaching the mark in just his fifth test. If you want a reason why New Zealand has gone so well in the last twelve months, since the tour to Australia, where they were seriously under-prepared, the seam bowling attack comprises three of our top six wicket-takers of all time, Southee(#3), Boult (#4) and Wagner (#6).
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:14pm
  - Peter S
    
    I don’t think MCos was under appreciating the ebbs and flows, so much as highlighting them. 🙂
    One of the beauties of test cricket is that a tedious passage of play can transform into the spectacular in just a few balls. It is something that only the long form of the game truly excells at.
    
    I don’t regard calling passages of play or even whole test matches tedious as being a case of not appreciating the subtleties. The strategic nature gives it a level of appeal and interest at the time, but with some matches whole passages of play bear a re watch, while with others the highlight balls are enough.
    
    Where I am not sure I agree with MCos is that I am not sure the team has no Rock star level talent players. I think a few are genuinely up there on the world class scale. I just don’t think they are feted as they would be if they played for some other countries. And they don’t behave like rock stars, they seem really well grounded, which I see as a positive.
    
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    December 31, 2020 3:15pm
Fletch

I see the prisoner standoff into its third day. Why not just tear gas them? Or is Little against that? He thinks you have to give them cuddles etc.
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December 31, 2020 11:21am
- JackRabbit
  
  Or what ever happened to using water cannons for riot control? Or even stink bombs?
  
  “The first truck-mounted water cannon was used for riot control in Germany in the beginning of the 1930s.[1]
  
  “The most modern versions do not expose the operator to the riot, and are controlled remotely from within the vehicle by a joystick. The German-built WaWe 10.000 can carry 10,000 litres (2,200 imp gal) of water, which can deploy water in all directions via three cannons, all of which are remotely controlled from inside the vehicle by a joystick. The vehicle has two forward cannons with a delivery rate of 20 litres per second (260 imp gal/min), and one rear cannon with a delivery rate of 15 litres per second (200 imp gal/min)[citation needed]
  
  Water cannons designed for riot control are still made in the United States and the United Kingdom, but most products are exported, particularly to Africa and parts of Asia such as Indonesia. ”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cannon
  
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  December 31, 2020 11:59am
  - Nickc2
    
    We have suitable appliances at our major airports which could also serve as ‘riot control’ vehicles.
    
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    December 31, 2020 12:26pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Bring out the big “guns”!
      
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      December 31, 2020 12:58pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      “I say we take off and nuke ’em from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”
      
      For nuke, read a flyover with fire-retardant out’ve a heli-borne bucket. Will settle for that.
      
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      December 31, 2020 6:41pm
- RJ
  
  They are rioting because they are given clean clothes once a week that don’t always fit. Not given blankets. Water coming out of the tap is brown. Over crowded, given toilet paper every three days. No rehabilitation program. Good on them for rioting it shows that this government that claims to care for prisoners doesn’t. Seems like a big slap in the labour face
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:08pm
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    Boo fucking hoo.
    Most will be gang scum that have ruined thousands of lives by fuelling addictions and low life crime.
    
    Seriously who cares, prison isnt supposed to be nice its a bloody punishment!!! Dont like the conditions well maybe dont try so hard to go back there.
    Most in jail have done multiple horrible things to others yet they have a sense of entitlement while in jail.
    
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    December 31, 2020 2:40pm
    - RJ
      
      I suggest you think about it for a minute if you can. Get past who is rioting and think. This riot is showing that labour are not the party that cares about prisoners. This riot is showing that under labour prisoners are not getting treated how they claim they are. It is a slap in labour’s face.
      
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      December 31, 2020 4:34pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    So they are objecting to what everyday life was like when I was in the infantry and on field exercises, and then back to Burnham or Waiberia. Effem.
    
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    December 31, 2020 3:18pm
    - RJ
      
      They are rioting over their treatment from a corrections department that has changed their policies on order from a prisoner friendly political party that believes in prisoner rights and voting etc etc.
      
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      December 31, 2020 7:27pm
oldfella

A good piece from Spiked Online about the year of skin-deep politics, and how the media, and political elites have turned public life into a woke fashion show. NZ even gets a dishonorable mention.
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For the Twittering classes the obsession with identity seemingly informs their approach to, well, everything. Even a pandemic. This led to some claiming that female leaders were handling the Covid crisis better than male leaders because they were, er, women… Few of their champions seemed ready to examine the real reasons why New Zealand, Germany and Taiwan (three wealthy and differently populated countries) might have fared better in the early stages of the pandemic. Instead, it was enough to praise their female leaders for their sheer female-ness and thus for showing ‘the world how to manage a messy patch for our human family’.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/29/a-year-of-skin-deep-politics/
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December 31, 2020 11:22am
Maggie Pie

Quite a nasty crash in our street last night. Motorcyclist v Car. We saw a crowd gathering so my partner ran up to see what was happening.
He was calling out, “Let me through! Let me through!” One of the bystanders asked him if he was a Doctor? He said, “No. I think the guy on the bike’s got our pizzas”
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December 31, 2020 11:35am
- SB2
  
  Did he help himself to the ” free” pizzas?
  
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  December 31, 2020 11:44am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie P, I know not everyone on KB appreciates your sense of humour, but I enjoy your quirkiness. Keep it up. 🙂
  
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  December 31, 2020 11:49am
- curry4me
  
  Maggie Pie: Good one. Hope the pizzas were OK. -;)
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:33pm
Fletch

I post this late last night, but Wikileaks have done a massive document dump.

https://file.wikileaks.org/file/
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December 31, 2020 11:37am
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, I read that too and I guess Hillary best go get measured up for her chartreuse jumpsuit (jail attire).
  All those missing e-mails have come to light.
  
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  December 31, 2020 12:15pm
- RJ
  
  Nothing new there. Seems to be that every now and then a tweet goes out there has been a dump, but nothing new is added, wind be careful what you link to as at least one file there from NZ has suppression still
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:01pm
Nickc2

Senate Investigation Finds Obama Admin Knowingly Funded al-Qaeda Affiliate. Who would have guessed?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-investigation-finds-obama-admin-201648458.html
I don’t think our MSM will be reporting this.
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December 31, 2020 12:09pm
- Fletch
  
  I bet we’d all be horrified if we knew everything that Obama did. Perhaps one day we will.
  
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  December 31, 2020 12:53pm
- RJ
  
  There is more to come, it looks like Ryan Dark White is getting ready to expose what he knows
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:02pm
- JackRabbit
  
  And Obama established the joint USA + Wuhan virus research funding and breeding program in 2015. Which Trump shut down in April 2020.
  
  You didn’t see that on the MSM. Didn’t suit the narrative.
  
  https://blog.whitecoatwaste.org/2020/04/22/bipartisan-bill-will-stop-govt-from-spending-your-at-chinas-wet-markets/
  
  https://blog.whitecoatwaste.org/2020/05/11/a-federal-lab-bought-cats-slaughtered-by-chinese-market-vendors-heres-your-receipts/
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:04pm
Fletch

The actress who played Mary-Ann from Gilligan’s Island died last night. But Ginger is still alive…
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December 31, 2020 12:46pm
Fletch

Sharyl Attkisson posts a list of the lies, mistakes and untruths of the media under Trump’s tenure.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/12/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/
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December 31, 2020 12:57pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5zeq48m_hs

China Tries to Drive a Wedge Between India and Russia.

The Chinese government seems to have misunderstood the India-US-Russia equations here. And therefore, China is bound to fail in its devious plans.
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December 31, 2020 1:04pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibs8090XEjM

A Few Words From Mr Brexit.

A retrospective of 2020, and some comments on
The Brexit deal.
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December 31, 2020 1:05pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QJFozErOLY

Republican Senator Hawley CONFIRMS Electoral Vote Objection, Biden’s Election WILL be Contested. With a Senator finally signing on to object we can expect to see a debate in the joint session of congress on January 6th. While it may make for good signaling it is likely to fail as even mitch McConnell has called on Republicans not to object. Trump would need a majority of both houses in order to change the outcome of the election at this point and with Democrat and Republican leadership rejecting the notion of contesting the election Trump will not likely get a majority in either chamber. However, on the ground will be Trump’s most ardent supporters flooding DC and demanding the results be overturned.
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December 31, 2020 1:05pm
lazza

When you buy a house in Auckland you pay a premium for all of the Auckland externalities after having discounted all the disbeneifits of say the traffic the Council etc. Add to this the tax free wealth windfalls and prices merely measure these forces in balance. Supplyside tangles and continuing government misdirection add unnecessary beaucratic costs as well.
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December 31, 2020 1:14pm
- greybeard
  
  I had to read this several times before I came to the conclusion that what you are trying to say is:
  “Buying/owning a house in Auckland will probably mean you get a huge capital gain when selling, but to have this you have to put up with a totally shit place to live.”
  
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  December 31, 2020 3:41pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

When WILL Biden concede?
Turns out there were more votes cast in the last US election then there are voters….. BY A LOT!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1344400646066331648
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December 31, 2020 1:20pm
- Alan1930
  
  What are you going to post on Jan 20, 2021 when Biden has been inaugerated?
  
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  December 31, 2020 9:55pm
Steve Todd

Yesterday, at General Debate, Fletch (at 4:39PM, in response to curry4me’s 1:45PM comment, to do with Vice President Pence’s role in the certification of the electoral votes on January 6) said, “Yep, he is suing for Pence to be able to do his job and follow the constitution in order that votes be cast for Trump.”

Earlier, WaynelSexton (at 10:28AM) had stated, “You may or may not know, but the Vice President gets to count the electors.”

Both these statements are incorrect. (Ehlana – 9:54AM – if you haven’t already done so, now would be the time to avert your eyes.)

This has come about because of a crackpot lawsuit by Texas Republican Congressman (and Trump supporter) Louie Gohmert (and the 11 [fake] Republican electors of Arizona), which “asks a federal court to instruct Vice President Mike Pence, as president of the Senate, to exercise what the suit calls his ‘sole’ and ‘exclusive’ authority to choose which electors to count on Jan. 6.”

But, contrary to what Fletch would have us believe, Pence has no such authority. VP Pence’s only constitutional role on January 6 (which is purely ‘ministerial’ / ceremonial), is to “open all the certificates”. That’s it! He has no other duty. Yes, Amendment XII then states, “and the votes shall then be counted”, but it doesn’t specify by whom, or the procedures to be followed. That was left up to Congress.

To be crystal clear, Amendment XII most certainly does not, as Gohmert asserts, specify powers “which grant the Vice President the exclusive authority and sole discretion in determining which electoral votes to count.”

As it happens, in 1887, Congress passed the Electoral Count Act. That Act sets out precisely how the count on January 6, that Pence will merely preside over, is to proceed. It is all laid out here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15. (It is worthwhile reading the entire section. For those who are interested, it is also worthwhile hitting the ‘prev’ button, and reading sections 5 [Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors] and 6 [Credentials of electors; etc.].)

I have also previously posted this paper, by the Congressional Research Unit, that sets out the procedure that will be followed, commencing at 1:00PM on January 6 (5:00AM on Thursday, 7 January, our time): https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf.
See, in particular, the section headed Receipt of Two Certificates from the Same State, on pp. 8-9.

Yes, U.S. District Court Judge Jeremy Kernodle of the Eastern District of Texas has agreed to partially grant the request for “an expedited schedule”, but make no mistake, this lawsuit will be thrown out.

In conclusion, I put up this piece from the New York Daily News, which pretty much says it all: https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-louis-gohmerts-laughable-lawsuit-20201229-upklpm37ezea3keyzmt4lo5dxi-story.html.

Yes, Gohmert and one or two others, will, against Mick McConnell’s wishes, lodge objections to the official votes cast by battleground state electors, but, even so, I have little doubt that the electoral count will be carried out pretty much as it has been every four years since Wednesday, 13 February, 1889.

Right, that’s my lot on this subject, at least until next Thursday.
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December 31, 2020 1:23pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Grasping at straws dude, almost as desperate as gothams hero.
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:37pm
- curry4me
  
  Steve Todd: Yes, it is a long shot. Here’s Steve Turley on the subect. https://www.bitchute.com/video/jem-MDSEHBI/
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:40pm
- curry4me
  
  Steve Todd: More from Prof Turley.
  
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/giNQgihGegY/
  
  DEMS PANIC AS GEORGIA SENATE VOTES TO DECERTIFY BIDEN ELECTORS!
  
  I guess Republican hopes are now pinned on Pence, and Georgia.
  
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  December 31, 2020 2:43pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    curry4me: This is just a courtesy message, to let you know I have watched the two videos.
    
    Thank you for bringing them to my attention.
    
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    December 31, 2020 5:00pm
    - curry4me
      
      Steve Todd: You’re welcome. We certainly live in interesting times.
      
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      December 31, 2020 5:40pm
  - Alan1930
    
    ‘DEMS PANIC AS GEORGIA SENATE VOTES TO DECERTIFY BIDEN ELECTORS!’
    
    OMG you really do believe this don’t you?
    
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    December 31, 2020 9:57pm
Wimpston peeders

Called in to visit an old mate who lives next to a popular camping spot, he had a couple of visitors and we got yarning.
Turns out theyre both prison gaurds down here so the topic turned to the lil riot and how theyre protesting “treatment and conditions”, anyways they were saying at the prison they work at earlier this year the prisoners were being right … [deleted – sorry one of the banned words here. Mod.] so management dealt a punishment and almost caused a fullscale riot due to “treatment and conditions”… how horrible was the punishment you ask???? They disabled netflix…. i shit you not these delinquent fuckers have it all in there its a fucking joke, never thought is say it but prisoners are an entitled bunch of … ts!!
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December 31, 2020 1:36pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Down ticker in prison? Wouldnt suprise me if ministry of hugs gave them all iphones for xmas…
  
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  December 31, 2020 2:28pm
- kevn
  
  @Wimps… “We want a maori leader to talk to” Say the sad offering of (not) upstanding NZ citizens.
  Yawn… no surprises.
  
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  December 31, 2020 5:00pm
lazza

Hey Slim Dave.

The large number of posts (KB roxx ehh? ) on for eg General Debate makes it increasingly difficult to keep track of threads.

How about putting up a threads or subject search function and a name search as well to help us all. Please.
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December 31, 2020 1:37pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Ctrl+F on most browsers brings up a search box, which you can use to search for page text. 🙂
  
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  December 31, 2020 1:58pm
- RJ
  
  So by calling DPF slim you are either attracted to him or just not planning to stay long
  
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  December 31, 2020 2:01pm
RJ

Breaking GA:
@JovanHPulitzer
just announced that as we speak machines have been compromised in GA – they are connected to the internet and shouldn’t be.

https://twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/1344350454218686464

2020Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee Unanimously Passes Motion to Audit Fulton County’s Absentee Ballots Using Method Outlined by Jovan Pulitzer

https://theamericanconservatives.net/georgia-senate-judiciary-subcommittee-unanimously-passes-motion-to-audit-fulton-countys-absentee-ballots-using-method-outlined-by-jovan-pulitzer/
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December 31, 2020 1:50pm
- Fletch
  
  Yep, they will try the same thing they did with the Nov 3 election. Any election in the U.S is compromised now.
  
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  December 31, 2020 2:01pm
  - Ralph
    
    Fletch, . Any election in the U.S is compromised now.??
    
    No such thing!
    
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    December 31, 2020 2:53pm
- Ralph
  
  RJ , belongs to the same category as these false claims,
  
  Fact check: Video does not show Dominion employee manipulating votes in Gwinnett County, Georgia
  
  https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-gwinnett-dominion-idUSKBN28C1OL
  
  Fact check: A 37-vote change in Georgia was the result of human error, not vote-flipping
  
  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/08/fact-check-vote-change-human-error-not-vote-flipping/6495143002/
  
  etc, etc , etc
  
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  December 31, 2020 2:53pm
  - RJ
    
    Yeah, just another troll who actually claims it’s not true without bothering to listen. Yes they passed a motion to audit the votes using Jovan method. And yes Jovan showed them that he and his team had access to a voting machine..
    
    Only thing that belongs in the false claims is anything you claim.
    
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    December 31, 2020 4:31pm
    - SB2
      
      RJ, this comment is uneresting,
      
      Here’s Jovan Hutton’s argument:
      
      I have a knive in my kitchen. Therefore it is possible I could kill Jovan. Therefore I did kill Jovan.
      
      WHAT IS THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE????
      
      This is the usual stupid argument: I think there was fraud. I could see fraud if I looked. But I didn’t look. Therefore there was fraud.
      
      If you want to do these tests, then WHY DID YOU WAIT FOR AFTER TRUMP LOST?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfZBhGjude8
      
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      December 31, 2020 5:16pm
      - RJ
        
        Gee, why haven’t those fighting this thought of that, oh wait, they have, the courts won’t allow the machines to be inspected and the states in question have been fighting it. And the one forensic audit that was done the trolls like you who have zero knowledge refuse to accept the results of that audit.
        
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        December 31, 2020 7:50pm
      - Alan1930
        
        I experienced massive fraud at my bank. I deposited 5x $20 notes. Teller counted them 3 times and only credited me with $100.
        
        Clearly it should have been $300 if certain YouTube videos are to be believed …
        
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        December 31, 2020 10:00pm
Maggie Pie

Sooo HOT here at the moment. No breeze.
Tiny beads of Walnut Oil running down either side of my tummy. Outlook is spectacular out over the water.
Actually it reminded me I forgot to post the view that Aussie mass murderer ‘Brenton Tarrant’ gets from his cell at Pareemax…..

https://twitter.com/ScribblerNZ/status/1344189629038137349
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December 31, 2020 2:10pm
- sooty
  
  Just as well he’s not sitting on the roof!
  That would give special “K” kittens!
  
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  December 31, 2020 7:09pm
I remember when

If Managed In Quarantine was a country or an Australian State it would be dominating the headlines – imagine the ‘scary’ stories .
Another batch of new covid-19 cases has been added to the existing outbreaks.
There seems no end to the problem of regular outbreaks of covid-19 in MIQ.
Then if you weren’t ‘scared’ enough – surely only a matter of time before there is a death.
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December 31, 2020 2:10pm
- MCos
  
  There are currently 55 active cases in managed isolation.
  Everyday some arriving people test positive & some recover.
  NZ can’t help it if people are coming home from countries such as the US, the UK, various EU countries, etc where the virus has not been suppressed.
  
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  December 31, 2020 5:44pm
Fletch

Nurse gets vaccinated against Covid, gets the virus 8 days later.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/30/nurse-falls-sick-with-covid-eight-days-after-getting-pfizers-new-vaccine-13825820/
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December 31, 2020 2:30pm
- MCos
  
  From the article
  ‘We know from the vaccine clinical trials that it’s going to take about 10 to 14 days for you to start to develop protection from the vaccine.’
  
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  December 31, 2020 5:48pm
  - Mike
    
    Fletch ain’t gonna report any stinking context…
    
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    December 31, 2020 7:22pm
  - Stu2
    
    It isn’t 100% effective – the trials suggested 95% (that number will probably alter a bit with zillions of people injected to follow up on)
    
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    December 31, 2020 10:27pm
- Alan1930
  
  OMG are you saying that the vaccine isn’t 100% effective just like they said in the trial data?
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:02pm
Ralph

A New Year booby gift idea,

“The Plot against the President”Directed by Amanda Milius

( based on the book by Lee Smith- see below)
With a cast by many of the usual suspects, )

Sidney Powell

Devin Nunes

Lee Smith ( author of the book which the movie is based on

Roger Stone

Donald Trump Jnr

Corey Lewandowski –

Sebastian Gorka

etc, etc, etc

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12734800/
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December 31, 2020 2:45pm
Fletch

How easy it is for the election supervisor to change votes sent for “adjudication” to whatever candidate they like…

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1344374038110597120
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December 31, 2020 3:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ralph seems to be a clone of SB2/stephieboy.

How many anonymous folks post here on different pseudonyms?
Why do they do it?
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December 31, 2020 4:53pm
- SB2
  
  MW, I’m not sure too.It appears that Word Press has got my under one alias and my KB profie with my usual alias
  
  Working on it.
  
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  December 31, 2020 5:02pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    OK, boomer.
    
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    December 31, 2020 6:39pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You could stop being a dick and have just one name.
    [That’s a little unfair – the explanation should be given the benefit of the doubt, plus reversion back subsequently. Mod.]
    
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    December 31, 2020 7:54pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      It’s not at all unfair, Mod. Benefit of the doubt should be give to those with a track record of being capable of being able to benefit of any doubt.
      
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      December 31, 2020 9:59pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I believe they think they are “smart”. They collectively present with the intellectual capacity of a dried mouse.
  
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  December 31, 2020 5:07pm
- RJ
  
  It is pretty obvious isn’t it, you can smell it a mile away.
  
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  December 31, 2020 7:23pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I think they do it only because they can. That is the limit of their personal event horizon. Sucks to be them.
  
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  December 31, 2020 10:00pm
greybeard

[Sorry not acceptable gb. (Link is OK, not your comment).
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy : Generalisations
Mod.]
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December 31, 2020 5:15pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Generalisations arise because of evidence-based associations. Mod, are you rejecting statistical science? Say it ain’t so!
  
  (For the record I have no idea whatever greybeard posted as it was already scrubbed).
  
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  December 31, 2020 6:34pm
  - MFD
    
    Statistical science? Here?
    How is Joe Public equipped (mentally or logistically) to perform the basics of statistical sampling?
    
    All generalisations, including this one, are garbage.
    
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    January 1, 2021 6:52am
Maggie Pie

Heading up to the Surf Club very soon to celebrate New Year.
Just checked Twitter before we go…..everything seems eerily quite 🙁

Anyway – HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!
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December 31, 2020 7:30pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Happy New Year is not something I wish to everyone.
  
  May you get the New Year you honestly and ethically worked for is, however, what I wish to everyone.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:09pm
Engelbert Humperdink

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-police-commissioner-mike-bush-reveals-a-childhood-lolly-theft-changed-his-life/5OJ76NHNYGAYRN6RS7ZY35C2DE/

Nauseating. They are trying to rehabilitate the gun-thieving unlawful-lockdown-threatening Stasi-boss.

And he can’t trust even the bought-and-paid-for NZ mediaw***s to stomach this vomitus. So he goes to MSNBC.

What a waste of NZ’s communal oxygen.

Shuddup Bush and go bush.
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December 31, 2020 8:12pm
- Mike
  
  What is actually nauseating is your comparison of our police with the secret police of a totalitarian regime.
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:17pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I have lived and worked in totalitarian regimes and this is how it starts. You know not of what you emote, Mike.
    
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    December 31, 2020 8:52pm
    - Mike
      
      No, it’s not how they start.
      
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      December 31, 2020 9:00pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Mike you have no clue. Stop trying to pretend you have. It is pathetic.
        
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        December 31, 2020 9:56pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Hi there downticking Stasi-tonguebather! Did Mummy give you her password for the webbynet?
  
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  December 31, 2020 8:24pm

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