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CJames

The ruling on Gypsy Day by the Broadcasting Standards Authority has brought that organisation to new levels of ridicule and public opprobrium. Not only is there a Mr Cant as the complainant who has too much time on his hands (now that is a surname that can conjure up a lot of nominative determinism), but the BSA actually found it was a racial slur. This appears to have been the news item that was complained about. Thousands of farmers on the move for annual Gypsy Day | 1 NEWS | TVNZ
I mean “Hello”. The expression is a very good way of describing the sharemilkers changing farms and all the disruption it causes in theirs and communities lives. It is a descriptive adjective, that is all. Just like pommie suntan, English breakfast, Indian summer or Aussie salute. The term is not used as a slur, never has been, and most people in NZ have no knowledge of the issues of the Roma or why most countries in Europe put very severe restrictions on their activities. Remember that group of English rogues that were here several years ago doing littering and theft. They were identified as “travellers”, the modern term for gypsies. Littering, theft and general chaos: The British tourists who sparked a global saga – NZ Herald I notice Mr Cant did not appear to have complained about that news report.
Most public holidays, a travelling group of arty people descend on our local domain and set up their self-described “gypsy fair”. Are they going to be found at fault as well? Or does wokedom extend only so far?
If a politician was looking for a quango to reform, the BSA would be an easy target. Cant and Television New Zealand Ltd – 2020-071 (21 December 2020) (bsa.govt.nz)
As for me, I can’t wait until June 1st comes round again. I have already renamed it in my calendar.
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December 30, 2020 8:00am
- CJames
  
  The hyperlinks got lost in the editing. Sorry about that. But one can cut and paste them to find the originals
  
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  December 30, 2020 8:39am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Who is it a slur against tho? Is it an insult to the moving farmers or is insulting to the gypsy people for others to assume the name that arent truly part of that race/culture?
  
  I find it insulting that women can call themselves men and vice versa, we also have 98% white people identifying as moari but worst of all we have 100% of woke idiots thinking theyre intelligent which is highly offensive.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:28am
  - IC5000
    
    Maybe you should look into stoicism in these trying times. It’s clear that you need emotional validation from others to act in ways consistent with your worldview. It’s like going down the street and demanding that women cover their heads in hijabs. It’s the sign of a weak man.
    
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    December 30, 2020 1:03pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Maybe you should mind your own business. Poking your nose in where it’s not wanted is the sign of a weak busybody with too much time on their hands. Just sayin’…
      
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      December 30, 2020 6:26pm
      - IC5000
        
        You are aware this is a forum for people to post their views right? It’s doesn’t occur to your that people could post their responses? Pretty sure a 12 yo could figure this out.
        
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        December 30, 2020 7:28pm
- Inandout
  
  ‘The whistling gypsy came over the hill,
  Down to the valley so shady;
  He whistled and he sang,
  Till the green woods rang’
  
  Another ‘disappeared’.
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:03am
  - oldfella
    
    Plus, Inandout, all those movies, songs, and TV shows with the word Gypsy in their titles. They’ll have to ‘disappear’ as well.
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:24am
    - Pharmachick
      
      Stevie Nicks will not be happy…
      
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      December 30, 2020 1:20pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Inandout, don’t the pomms refer to them as travellers ? gypsies sounds a lot better than that I reckon…
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:40am
    - Inandout
      
      soft, yes even old series of Minder mentioned them in Arthur and Terry’s cockney way. I don’t think all Gypsies are tidy people when they uproot and move to other areas. In an episode of Black Books the actress Fran was contacted by a family of ‘relatives’ who made much use of her car as transport. Though not referred to as Gypsies they did come from East Europe. These true comedies of course are now frowned upon by ‘liberals’.
      
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      December 30, 2020 2:02pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      One of my brothers-in-law is a lawyer for the Travellers. He also has a professional assistance stall at the Appleby Horse Fair every year.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appleby_Horse_Fair
      
      I have been begging him to take me ever since I found out (of course since that involves flying to the UK, who even knows when that could happen now). My BIL uses “Travellers”, unless otherwise requested [some Irish Travellers do not identify as Romany]. True story: my BIL was paid (and accepted payment) in chickens one time… whenever I see him, the stories are beyond entertaining. He’s fiercely protective of them though, most simply aren’t like the grifters that hit NZ a couple years back, and there’s a lot of old and deep-seated prejudice.
      
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      December 30, 2020 3:32pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      They always used to be called “gyppos” rather than gypsies, which has a somewhat romantic feel about it. Travellers is just another name for the (in the UK, mostly Irish) people that descend on a suitable plot of land and set about destroying it.
      
      A guy I worked with in London was in a bus that went past a gyppos illegal encampment, and as the coach went past some little gyppo oik came out and threw half a brick at the back window, smashing it. When the driver stopped and got out, 20 or so thugs appeared from nowhere so he got back in the coach and drove off, with jeers ringing in his ears. Just scum, most of them. In-bred trailer trash who can’t even afford a proper trailer.
      
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      December 30, 2020 6:32pm
- marcw
  
  I’m shocked – had to rest and decided to eat an Eskimo Pie for comfort. At smoko this afternoon we’ve got lolly cake, which is made from real actual Eskimos. Thank goodness the BSA lives in a different world. Just why are we paying for them though?
  
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  December 30, 2020 1:55pm
Wimpston peeders

We got a couple of puppies of the same breed back in august from 2 different breeders.
Its very noticible that 1 came from working lines as it shows greaf interest in stock and rounding up other animals, the other although lovely nature is pure pet material and is only good for pats and friendship and totally useless for anything else

My point is that how come we can accept that dogs can have working on others laziness in their blood and it can be passed down through breeding yet we cant accept that humans could be the same?

Intergenerational poverty and dole dependance is 1 example of that, dont get me started on stoopid people breeding… theres that movie idiocracy that explains that.
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December 30, 2020 8:00am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  You’ve got to say for a bloke that can’t train a dog.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:43am
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    I dont train dogs both were puchased as pets/companions i was just pointing out natural dog behavior passed on in genetics.
    
    But yes your trolling does point out that the training of children by shit dole dependant parents in nz is a huge problem.
    
    You should get a dog BM it may teach you love and respect 🙂
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:54am
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      I’ve had dogs for 30 years darling. Even a bought pet requires training, in your case much like its owner.
      
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      December 30, 2020 10:19am
      - Wimpston peeders
        
        Lol you prob just throw em in a kennel and forget about them.
        Ive farmed most of my life and had numerous working and hunting dogs dude, left farming and knees to stuffed to run around the hills chasing hogs and deer so onto a new phase of my life hence the pets.
        As i said a dog would teach you love and respect, clearly youve been as ignorant to them as your presence is on KB 🙂
        
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        December 30, 2020 10:38am
      - Nukuleka
        
        DPF: I’m sorry to say but this type of post really does bring the KB site into disrepute. I know that many of us make sarcastic and inappropriate ad hominem comments at times but this type of pointless and toxically unpleasant post takes the biscuit. And I apologise to any biscuits whose feelings have been hurt by that remark.
        
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        December 30, 2020 11:05am
      - ISeeRed
        
        You’re still conceding WP’s point that some humans also need to be “trained” and treating them like pampered pets that only consume and breed is a choice society is making to its long-term detriment.
        
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        December 30, 2020 11:18am
      - The Housekeeper
        
        Brian, it’s vacuous posts like this that have others looking for wiser forums. Freedom of speech is being whittled away daily yet you squander a valuable outlet on personal drivel.
        
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        December 30, 2020 1:35pm
      - Alan1930
        
        @The Housekeeper
        
        You’ll find little wisdom in the comments of this site. You will however find a lot of right wing consensus but that’s not wisdom.
        
        If any site housekeeping is required (to raise the wisdom average) then start by eliminating diehard Trump supporters.
        
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        December 30, 2020 4:54pm
  - Bob
    
    can be passed down through breeding yet we cant accept that humans could be the same? …..
    
    Brian… ‘humans are the same’
    the welfare statistics prove that.
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:49am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Housekeeper at 1.35
  “Stoopid people breeding” of course that’s neither vacuous nor drivel and belongs in a “wiser forum.” Nazi party 1935 perhaps?
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:04pm
  - The Housekeeper
    
    Brian, the question of “Stoopid people breeding” may be offensive but so too is the offence to the children whose parents cannot provide for themselves let alone any offspring. It’s hardly surprising that the strangers whose hard work is paying their bills, show no respect for these parents’ intelligence. Surely, no-one is so useless that no work can be found for them? Why don’t we expect more from our parents? Why do we accept such low prospects for our kids?
    
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    December 30, 2020 10:37pm
Wimpston peeders

The govt knows :Increasing population, increasing number of vehicles on the road, more distractions, deteriorating roads and numerous other contributing factors yet they think the roadtoll should be declining.

Pretty smart isnt it, certainly 2+2=3 type stuff.
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December 30, 2020 8:01am
- sooty
  
  This government knows best and have a clipboard to prove it!
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:33am
- CJames
  
  That is why they are lowering the speed limit and putting dividing barriers, bus lanes or Armco barriers everywhere they can. As they lower the speed limit, the time differential with public transport decreases. All that rather than just fixing the roads. Shows where their priorities are.
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:51am
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    Yup and they do all that and it still makes no damn difference.
    For some reason a large chunk of the population cant accept that people die, always have always will and although it sux when lives are taken too soon its just a reality of life.
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:47am
  - tf78
    
    CJ,the most reliable public transport i.e. buses run on roads.
    
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    December 30, 2020 12:50pm
- Bob
  
  This is Genter logic! now indoctrinated into the socialist caucus.
  
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  December 30, 2020 11:51am
- Phronesis
  
  I suspect there are some interesting stats around the age of vehicles versus likelihood of surviving a crash. Yet another area where tanking the economy can be directly linked to more deaths (people cant afford to drive newer and safer vehicles). Tanking the economy costs a lot of lives in a lot of different ways.
  
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  December 30, 2020 12:41pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yeah, be interesting what the safety rating is on a Nissan Leaf.
    Whoops we abolished the safety star rating.
    Not too mention Fire / explosion risk while attending an accident.
    Yep, Its all how you measure it exactly.
    If not favourable abolish it.
    There all fixed
    
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    December 30, 2020 1:43pm
    - sooty
      
      Makes their figures look better, if we get rid of this, that and that over there!
      
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      December 30, 2020 4:35pm
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    Yes moderm cars offer higher probability of surviving, and instead of being killed you get a lifetime injury/disability to live with.
    
    Just wait untill we have a heap more evs and they start featuring more on the crash statistics, those lithium cells go up better then petrol once compromised. Thank god the bulk of them will be confined to 50 and 70km areas
    
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    December 30, 2020 3:53pm
    - Batman
      
      Amazing that none of the thousands of electrical engineers and designers working for the largest automakers, who are spending hundreds of billions on EV R&D, thought of such issues.
      
      Yet a single genius from a local blog has the key to the problem
      
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      December 30, 2020 3:59pm
      - Frank the tank
        
        A couple of points:
        
        1). Never seen a parked diesel/petrol car spontaneously combust. Sure it’s probably happened but not at the rate of electric cars.
        2). Not much has been discussed regarding the repair of electric vehicles. Auto refinish using techniques such a welding, sanding and filling are a lot more risky with an electric car. Effectively you are refinishing a ‘bomb’ . Enjoy your increased premiums in due course as most electric cars will be written off unless minor panel work.
        
        However keep fantasying that electric cars will be the saviour of the world and the Blairite’s nuclear moment
        
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        December 30, 2020 6:00pm
Wimpston peeders

So whats the point in the vaccine?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300194922/covid19-who-warns-vaccinated-travellers-could-still-need-to-be-quarantined (apologies for stuffed link)

If one still needs to be quarantined then wouldnt that mean vaccine is ineffective and worthless… or just a convenient excuse because govts worldwide dont want to relinquish some of their new found power and control.
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December 30, 2020 8:03am
- Simon
  
  I don’t believe we have the evidence on any of the vaccines to be confident that it’s going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on”, says WHO Chief Scientist
  
  https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1343620091695538179
  
  Apparently the ‘vaccines” lessen the symptoms of covid. Nothing else.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:24am
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    Ah so essentially its a vaccine that virtue signals…
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:43am
  - SB2
    
    Vaccines provide Herd Immunity otherwise not achieved so far including Sweden.
    
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    December 30, 2020 10:26am
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      Have a few coffees sb2 and read above posts and let it sink in, how can a vaccine build herd immunity when theyre waning is it wont work…
      
      Sweden will still likely end up with the same or better result in the long run, granny wilk get a jab and think shes bullet proof and go on her delayed cruise and die, had she not got a dodge jab she wouldve stayed home and lived 🙂
      
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      December 30, 2020 11:51am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      How do you know when the content of the vaccines have not been disclosed?
      
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      December 30, 2020 12:22pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Maybe it should be called Herd Mentality not Immunity.
      Like sheep at the edge of a cliff.
      
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      December 30, 2020 12:33pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    yeah, There seems some debate to actually what some vaccines are supposedly trying to do.
    
    The WHO statement in my mind is mind blowing.
    Surely vaccines do not Mask the symptoms but stop getting infected for the Virius and stop the ability of infecting others ?
    
    Not too sure at all now whether thats the case.
    
    If there is some truth in this, Then is NZ going to be permanently locked down. ?
    
    Seems strange timing for statement from WHO after everyone is rollling out vaccines for their citizens..
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:25am
  - Bob
    
    Rather like the common annual flu vacine does.!
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:53am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    I’ll pass on the vaccine designed to lessen the symptoms of a disease i have a 99%+ of surviving. if I get it I will self quarantine as I do know with any flu bug. I will avoid those that have underlying health issues, as I would so anyway.
    
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    December 30, 2020 1:56pm
- rouppe
  
  The thing that isn’t clear to me regarding the travel bubbles is preventing cross infection at the airport.
  
  Baggage claim, customs, and other areas where travelers arriving on different aircraft from different origins are forced into close(r) proximity are the primary risk point. How will they keep all those potentially infected arrivals from the US, UK, Pakistan and India separated from the assumed not infected arrivals from the Cook Islands?
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:43am
  - tf78
    
    Note to Jacinda – don’t forget to change the name of the Cook Islands!
    
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    December 30, 2020 12:53pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That might upset the Russians.
      
      They named the islands after Cook.
      
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      December 30, 2020 1:33pm
- Alan1930
  
  Gosh you talk some rubbish.
  
  Did you ever stop to think that maybe just maybe it’s simply because the vaccine isn’t 100% effective so there is no guarantee that everyone who has been vaccinated won’t still be carrying the disease thus we don’t want to let our guard down and have it spread among those yet to be vaccinated?
  
  Didn’t think so.
  
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  December 30, 2020 5:02pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Lol and you expected different. Have a look at the ‘flu jab’ and its effectiveness at stopping the annual flu
  
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  December 30, 2020 6:02pm
Doctor Sigmund Freud

Great.

Another day to debate whether a dementia sufferer should hold the nuclear button on the grounds that at least he isn’t a pacifist like ‘peace-deals galore’ Donald John Trump.
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December 30, 2020 8:08am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  What conflicts has he brought to a halt? There are more US troops in the middle east now than when Trumpy became president.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:17am
  - Simon
    
    The Pentagon is bringing home more American service members in the coming weeks, following President Donald Trump’s order to remove about 2,000 troops from Afghanistan and 500 troops from Iraq before next year’s U.S. presidential inauguration.
    
    “By January 15, our force size in Afghanistan will be 2,500 troops. Our force size in Iraq will also be 2,500 by that same date,” Acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller told reporters at the Pentagon on Tuesday.
    
    https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-cut-troop-numbers-afghanistan-iraq-mid-january
    
    War is over. After 8 years of the Obama clown bombing hospitals Trump finished it.
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:47am
    - Simon
      
      From 2:08 a.m. until 3:15 a.m. on Saturday, October 3 2015, Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF)’s trauma hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, was hit by a series of aerial bombing raids at approximately 15-minute intervals. The main hospital building, which housed the intensive care unit, emergency rooms, and physiotherapy ward, was hit with precision, repeatedly, during each aerial raid, while surrounding buildings were left mostly untouched.
      
      The attacks killed at least 42 people, including 24 patients, 14 staff members and four caretakers. Three of those killed were children. The United States government admitted that it was a U.S. military airstrike that hit the hospital, despite the fact that MSF had provided the GPS coordinates of the facility to Coalition and Afghan military officials as recently as five days before the attacks took place. The bombardments also continued for 30 minutes after MSF first informed U.S. and Afghan military officials in Kabul and Washington that it was our hospital being hit.
      
      https://www.doctorswithoutborders.ca/issues/kunduz-when-msf-came-under-attack-afghanistan
      
      Trump stopped this criminal stupidity. Trump the peace president.
      
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      December 30, 2020 9:52am
      - Inandout
        
        But Simon, Trump must go because he thinks outside the political bubble where administrators dwell. War is good for backhanders and gifts from arms suppliers to certain politicians. It is a dirty game where doors open to those favoured.
        
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        December 30, 2020 11:04am
    - curry4me
      
      Simon: Yes, the Republican/Trump party is now the anti-war party. Excellent news.
      
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      December 30, 2020 1:53pm
  - lilman
    
    Sorry you are wrong on that statement.
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:47am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No, I’m not.
      
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      December 30, 2020 10:51am
  - softail 1450
    
    [If you want your posts published you are going to have to do better than this.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy : Personal Abuse
    Mod.]
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:48am
- Ehlana
  
  Or you could just not bring up the subject. After all, we’re in New Zealand, it’s the 6th day of Christmas, summer is here and tomorrow is New Year’s Eve.
  
  The US election is over, as is our own, for good or ill. Nothing that is said on this blog is going to change the outcome of either. Time perhaps to give it a rest.
  
  In the spirit of the season, time perhaps to rediscover our common humanity, to “ring out … ancient forms of party strife … the civic slander and the spite” and replace them with sweeter manners.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:54am
  - sooty
    
    I don’t think summer is here going by the snow and coldness. From memory we’re swimming in the school pool after guy fawkes day.
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:15am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    What???
    Like adds on TV and Radio, threatening you and me with being locked down during summer (“stopped summer”) if;
    we don’t
    QR code scan
    Turn on blue tooth
    Sneeze in public (no account for allergies)
    Don’t wash our hands (surely your mother taught you to do that)
    As an aside, it’s your money they are using to pay for these threats.
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:24am
Justitia

“In short Environmentalism is a totalitarian Frankenstein’s monster that has escaped its creators; if human CO2 is the problem, then Man is the problem…….

The enemy is in each one of us and no one is deemed innocent; the enemy is in Man, in our species, in the very fabric of our relationship with the world.

The enemy is Man”.

(“The Green Reich”, Drieu Godefridi).
The credo of a Middle Class death cult.
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December 30, 2020 8:11am
Andrei

Quiet around here today

Or is it?
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December 30, 2020 8:18am
mikenmildagain

Excellent article here about the NZ cricket team:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/nz-vs-pak-1st-test-tim-southee-the-support-act-who-is-front-and-centre-of-new-zealand-s-best-attack-1245772
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December 30, 2020 8:20am
- Ruahine
  
  It is an excellent article. Danyal Rasool is obviously not a part of the NZ MSM media clique.
  
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  December 30, 2020 8:47am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Mike – saved your best post of the year for the penultimate day
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:23am
- MCos
  
  I see the ICC is taking a bit of a hammering for making Steve Smith cricketer of the decade.
  
  I picked up as autobiography last year by Martin Crowe at the local op shop. He wrote about touring Pakistan where Wasim Akram and the boys were bending the ball in circles. Turned out the roughing it up with a bottle top. They didn’t grizzle, they didn’t complain! They did the same themselves!
  Their captain is now PM!
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:25am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Overall cricketer of the decade was Virat Kohli, which I thought was fair. Smith’s test record has been incredibly good, although he’s in a (probably slight) trough atm.
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:37am
    - MCos
      
      Yesterday Oz scored 200 for the first time in the series.
      
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      December 30, 2020 10:08am
    - virtualmark
      
      My theory is that all Aussie batsmen have averages that are higher than they would if they played for another country … because as the Aussie batsmen they don’t have to face the Aussie bowlers.
      
      Probably fair to say the Aussie bowlers also have better figures than they might have, because they don’t have to face the Aussie batsmen.
      
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      December 30, 2020 8:55pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Very good read. I’d also like to read about the coaching of the side in the last 10 years.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:42am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That would be good. There was some talk that Gary Stead might not be in the same class as Mike Hesson, but the performances have been good. Apart from the disastrous tour of Australia – where it looked like the old problem of not believing themselves to be as good as the Aussies came to the fore.
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:51am
    - yossarian
      
      Facing the Aussies with out one warm up game was suicidal. I mean we have the talent to do well over there. Kane can bat on anything, and Ross holds the record for the highest score in Australia for an overseas player (from memory).
      
      That tour was such a let down
      
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      December 30, 2020 10:18am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      He seems to put the welfare of the players first, helps tighten the team as well.
      
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      December 30, 2020 10:21am
KevO'Brien

Money printing has consequences. The free flow of money between international banks means we get our share of the excess liquidity too. That feeds into our house prices.
This piece show the potential outcomes of the latest splurges in the USA and Europe–we will not be unaffected.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-12-29/recipe-hot-inflation-2021
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December 30, 2020 8:32am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Ah, Zero Hedge, the blog which has accurately predicted 370 of the past two recessions.
  
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  December 30, 2020 8:34am
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    Almost as good as your track record milky 🙂
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:45am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The article cited is from PHOENIX CAPITAL RESEARCH.
    
    The views on global money printing affecting our asset pricing, housing particularly are mine.
    
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    December 30, 2020 12:47pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Same is happening here, if i had a spare house or 5 id be selling up and cashing in to take advantage of stupid buyers frenzy.
  Id then be putting the proceeds into some form of wealth storage not shares or bank but into the likes of precious metals (physical bullion not paper etfs) at least then when it all falls over you still have something highly valuable and not a piece of paper or a highly devalued house.
  
  My mate is about to put his house on the market, was valued 223k back in february, the agent suggests listing it at 320k for a quick sale or 350k if hes prepared to wait a month or so to sell… not bad for paying under 200k 3yr ago.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:02am
  - backster
    
    Moving in with you is he.
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:17am
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      Nah hes ditching nz shithole and relocating to aussie, gunna buy a few houses in perth as the markets stillshit there from their crash a few years ago.
      
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      December 30, 2020 11:53am
- SB2
  
  Hasn’t Zerohedge in the past predicted worldwide 1930’s style recession?
  
  At least they were wrong about the US Presidential elections ,
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-10-29/election-prediction
  
  Hmmm…
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:05am
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    Great comparisson SB2, the same thing is happening with quantative easing as happened with the election. A rigged system designed to screw the avetage citizen and benefit the corrupt elite.
    Their election prediction was spot on if you remove the fraud.
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:34am
    - SB2
      
      No fraud so the Zerohedge prediction was wrong.
      
      Fact!
      
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      December 30, 2020 10:29am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Try as you may, repeating something over and over, does not make it so.
        
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        December 30, 2020 11:39am
      - Alan1930
        
        @JackRabbit
        
        You’re right! So how about you and the other Trump faithfuls stop repeating your ‘stolen election’ mockery until something other than conjecture, misinformation, and deeply flawed analysis is found?
        
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        December 30, 2020 5:10pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Alan1930
        
        Perhaps you could take a longer look at what I have been posting, to prevent you contracting “foot in mouth” disease.
        
        I’m not a Trump faithful. Granted I would prefer Trump over Biden who has accelerating dementia, but you will not find me singing Trumps praises or defending Trump. Personally there is far more at stake than resorting to ongoing debates of “he said / she said” in respect of the personal lives of both Biden and Trump.
        
        And it wouldn’t matter if the election fraud benefited Trump or Biden.
        
        If you are able to watch or read about what has happened and are still convinced that the hundreds of affidavits, testimonies and evidence count for nothing, and do not warrant any investigation, then you can smugly look forward to a dystopian future, where freedom of the individual is completely gone.
        
        Trump faithfuls stop repeating your ‘stolen election’ mockery until something other than conjecture, misinformation, and deeply flawed analysis is found?
        
        The fact that you appear agitated and resort to slurring myself and others, indicates you are being irrational, and not capable of rational debate.
        
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        December 30, 2020 6:19pm
- chukar
  
  Many of us have been pointing to the fact inflation is not dead, it just has not been measured properly.
  
  Currencies need to be valued on their yield as well as countries economic perceptions.
  Interest rates must rise.and I suggest it will be sooner rather than later!
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:18am
- JackRabbit
  
  An artificial high is followed by an artificial low, and an artificial low is followed by an artificial high.
  
  Govt has been borrowing and spending like there is no tomorrow. And it will increase further. As per your link, inflation will be the outcome, so the very low interest rates in NZ will not last forever.
  
  In the mean time, low rates on savings are eroding much needed nest eggs of the older generation, and young generations are taking on excess debt, fueled by the low borrowing rates, which many will be unable to repay when interest rates go back up.
  
  Inflation will further devalue real wealth and there is no indicator that govt will tighten it’s spending belt. Welcome to New Zenezuela.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:27am
- BAM
  
  Zerohedge is a financial doom site, that’s their angle.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:33am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Zerohedge is a financial ~~doom~~ reality site, that’s their angle.
    
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    December 30, 2020 10:54am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Not so, they have an enormous variety of articles from many sources. A
    useful general purpose site.
    Financial doom is not hard to find. With the massive money printing going on for some years now money feels sorta free but prices change to match the quantity of money available so other problems arise.
    
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    December 30, 2020 12:53pm
- Cobolt24
  
  The theory of the Cantillon effect is explained. It begins with an increase in the money supply and who first receives the money. That means the increase of money changes income distribution in favor of who first receives the new money. Then, depending on the preferences of those who first receive the money, some goods will experience an increase in demand, while other goods will experience a relative decrease. This in turn changes outputs of various goods and ultimately investments. Cantillon famously noted that if the new money comes into the hands of savers, that the interest rate would decrease, but if it comes into the hands of consumers, the interest rate would increase, as entrepreneurs would need to borrow more to meet the increased demand for goods.
  https://mises.org/library/money-inflation-and-business-cycles-cantillon-effect-and-economy
  
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  December 30, 2020 1:07pm
Tomtoddy

The Covid crisis in Sweden. What crisis??

https://www.statista.com/…/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/
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December 30, 2020 8:45am
- MCos
  
  According to Worldometers.info Sweden has the 26th worst death rate of all countries & 24th worst infection rate.
  Whether you call that a crises depends on your point of view.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:07am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Hi MCos,
    
    According to Worldometers.info
    
    Worldometers.info is a counter site, not a stats site. They do not have real time data on anything. To provide real time data on on all the metrics they claim, and updated every few seconds, would require a budget many times the size of the US Stats department.
    
    Cost of providing data which involve people, while maintaining a given accuracy, increases exponentially with each doubling of sampling frequency. Which is why a census is only carried out every few years.
    
    Worldometers.info claim to be able to give accurate data on hundreds of metrics, of which population and Covid-19 are two such metrics. It’s all just guesstimates.
    
    Providing data from that site is pointless. even if it happens to occasionally gel with reality. They claim to have accurate stats on Covid-19, updated every few seconds, when even the CDC can only update every few days, and the CDC is the source for all US figures.
    
    We get enough BS from the MSM, no point in adding to it.
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:53am
- SB2
  
  The Lancet seesm to disagree,
  
  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32750-1/fulltext
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:12am
  - Simon
    
    Sweden eh? With out the covid cult lockdowns earlier in the year. Much better than lock down losers like Spain UK & Italy are having to go into lockdown again.
    
    UK said it would beat the virus back in March with lockdowns. Losers.
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:37am
    - SB2
      
      Simon & Dr Freud ,
      
      The latest from Sweden. Such a tragic mistake!
      
      https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/29296/in-sweden-herd-immunity-has-failed-tragically-will-there-be-a-reckoning
      
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      December 30, 2020 10:38am
  - Doctor Sigmund Freud
    
    The Lancet agrees with Dr Mengele.
    
    So what?
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:38am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Not really. There have been 8500 deaths in Sweden attributed to Covid . (Many of those probably didn’t have Covid but that is another story) .
    
    What is happening is that those who were likely to die of other causes – who were immune-compromised – died may be a week or a month earlier.
    
    It is obvious the media generally give a biased report on Covid. What’s new??
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:51am
  - Aunty
    
    As the key architect of the failed Swedish experiment, Anders Tegnell should be put on trial for manslaughter and geronticide. And in the fullness of time, I fully expect to see him in the dock to answer for his perverse recommendations and wrong thinking that fell so far short of accepted standard practice that they sit firmly in the negligent category.
    
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    December 30, 2020 3:51pm
Ruahine

There are Statistics. Then there are lies. Then there are Media lies.
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December 30, 2020 8:53am
- sooty
  
  Then there are people who believe all three!
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:38am
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    Lol comment/truth of the day
    
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    December 30, 2020 10:07am
- SB2
  
  Then there are Trump lies!
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:39am
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    And sb2 truths…
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:54am
CaptainCompromise

Using the term “gypsy day” is now discriminatory according to the BSA, despite us having no gypsies in the traditional sense in our country and the term referring to farmers for generations.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2020/12/complaint-against-tvnz-for-use-of-discriminatory-term-upheld-by-bsa.html

I am deeply concerned about the recent politicisation of the BSA. It’s turning into the broadcasting control authority.
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December 30, 2020 8:54am
- lifesgood
  
  I hope all rural people continue to call it “gypsy day”. It is a lovely, colourful, descriptive term. Is the BSA saying being a gypsy is a bad thing? What a bunch of discriminatory morons.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:42am
- rockape
  
  As a person of Gypsy descent, paternal mother,an Irish Romany, I don’t take offence. I am also quarter Scots and don’t take offence at Scotsman jokes about being tight. Now I guess if I was quarter Maori , like most Maori I would have to be offended.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:54am
mikenmildagain

Oh, the poor ol’ president. Reduced to lashing out at his own party:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300195146/donald-trump-lashes-out-at-weak-and-tired-republican-congressional-leadership
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December 30, 2020 8:56am
- Simon
  
  Lol – wash post.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:30am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You don’t believe that Trump said these things?
    “WE NEED NEW & ENERGETIC REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP. This can not stand”
    “Can you imagine if the Republicans stole a Presidential Election from the Democrats – All hell would break out,”
    “Republican leadership only wants the path of least resistance,”
    “Our leaders (not me, of course!) are pathetic. They only know how to lose! P.S. I got MANY Senators..and Congressmen/Congresswomen Elected. I do believe they forgot!”
    “Weak and tired Republican ‘leadership’ will allow the bad Defense Bill to pass,”
    “Negotiate a better Bill, or get better leaders, NOW! Senate should not approve NDAA until fixed!!!”
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:40am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Where you are emotively told and accept that this amounts to “lashing out,” I perceive Trump merely stating some pertinent points. Perception and framing are key, I guess.
      
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      December 30, 2020 12:04pm
  - fernglas
    
    Lol. Trump’s Twitter feed
    “Republican leadership only wants the path of least resistance. Our leaders (not me, of course!) are pathetic. They only know how to lose! “
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:46am
    - Inandout
      
      fern, I wonder how many Republicans have run a business? We know very few Dems have because they spend public money like drunken sailors.
      
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      December 30, 2020 10:12am
      - fernglas
        
        I’m not sure what this has to do with the source of MM’s posts, but I’ll bite. Here’s a link to an article which suggests that the most economically successful Democrat Presidents have had the least business experience
        https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-leading-democrats-have-minimal-business-backgrounds-maybe-thats-a-good-thing-162703206.html
        
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        December 30, 2020 10:27am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Run a business? Do you mean, like Donald Trump, run a business or two into bankruptcy?
        
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        December 30, 2020 10:30am
      - Nickc2
        
        Easy on the Drunken Sailors Inandout. Shortly, that can be reported as hate speech. I’m offended already.
        
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        December 30, 2020 11:26am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @mikenmildagain
        
        The majority of successful people have had failures. We learn from failure as part of trying to succeed. The biggest failure is never trying at all, but standing on the sidelines giving out non-nonsensical advice and criticising the players in a sport that you do not have the gonads to play.
        
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        December 30, 2020 11:50am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @fernglas
        
        The one key attribute that left leaning politicians have that enable them to win against the right, is their ability to lie as if what they are saying is true.. Republicans that have run a business have learned that honesty is better, and are ill-equipped for the positions of posturing and slight of hand.
        
        In this country:
        Jacinda: Child poverty has dropped in the last 3 years – even saying it during an election debate. When the reverse was true. A straight faced lie.
        
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        December 30, 2020 11:57am
- Jimmy White
  
  YAWN
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:31am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  A strong leader calls it is it is and dosent offer a safe space via sugar coating for the weak.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:36am
  - IC5000
    
    A weak leader makes up imaginary enemies to make him look stronger
    
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    December 30, 2020 1:17pm
- lilman
  
  Mike,how will you ejaculate when trump is gone?
  
  Lol, you need to get a grip.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:52am
  - oldfella
    
    Yeah, Mike, please, please don’t read this. It will inflame you… (you have been warned).
    This is from The Hill, which has similar TDS levels as the owner of this blog. Imagine how they must have hated having to write this headline..
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    TRUMP ENDS OBAMA’S 12-YEAR RUN AS MOST ADMIRED MAN: GALLUP.
    President Trump has ended former President Obama’s 12-year run as the most admired man in America, edging out his predecessor in the annual Gallup survey released Tuesday.
    Eighteen percent of the survey’s respondents named Trump as their most admired man, compared to 15 percent who named Obama and 6 percent who named President-elect Joe Biden. Three percent named National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci, while 2 percent chose Pope Francis.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/531906-trump-ends-obamas-12-year-run-as-most-admired-man-gallup
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:34am
artemisia

There are so many smart and well read posters on this site. Time to time I wonder what they are reading, or watching – mainstream, youtube or whatever. Maybe there could be a separate thread now and again? Thoughts?
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December 30, 2020 9:00am
- fernglas
  
  Lockdown Sceptics. The Spectator. The Conversation
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:30am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Good idea.
  I’m currently reading The Mirror and the Light, the conclusion to Hilary Mantel’s excellent trilogy of novels about Thomas Cromwell. If you haven’t seen it, the TV adaptation of the first wo books, with Mary Rylance as Cromwell and Damian Lewis as Henry VIII is an excellent watch.
  I’m watching Roadkill with Hugh Laurie on TVNZ on-demand at the moment. TVNZ on-demand is fantastic, btw, load of good shows, movies and docos for free.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:47am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s worth viewing Diarmaid MacCulloch’s programme on Cromwell.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01t03ky
    
    Occasionally shows up on the History Channel
    
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    December 30, 2020 10:11am
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, pay for Netflix and don’t get swamped with bloody ads like Demand. My wife watches Coro and she said the ads are getting longer and more numerous.
    
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    December 30, 2020 10:15am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I have Netflix as well, but TVNZ has some shows I really like.
      
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      December 30, 2020 10:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Might not be everyone’s cup of tea… but in quiet times I check out some of the maths & Physics lectures on youtube. … There’s a range of styles and you’re bound to locate something to fill in your missing gaps (or help your youngsters).
  
  Gems: Gilbert Strang’s Linear Algebra series
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7DzL2_Na80&list=PLE7DDD91010BC51F8&index=2
  
  Anything by Po-Shen Loh (for school kids)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKBX0r3J-9Y&t=1726s
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:04am
  - backster
    
    Maggie I was wondering what to do New Years Eve that sound a great way to spend it.
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:33am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    For a bit of variation in the brain gymn have a look at this:
    https://e-catworld.com/2020/12/27/pdf-of-revised-rossi-paper-e-cat-sk-and-long-range-particle-interactions/
    
    Much argument about the physics providing 22Kw of electricity out of 105 cubic centimetres of plasma tube. Ganged up they can provide 2.2Mw electricity.
    
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    December 30, 2020 1:03pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Some actually know how to think. For example, those who can think, didn’t have to read anything anywhere to know that Shaun Hendy’s figure of 80,000 will die, was all hogwash.
  
  And those who can think, didn’t believe Jacinda’s pulpit sermons about Covid-19 was going to bring plaque and pestilence – if it were the case, she and the others should have been in hazmat suits with sprayers. And to make matters worse, all her and her teams hugs, selfies, and sheer lack of social distancing.
  
  If she was genuine we should have expected this:
  
  https://abcnews.go.com/International/putin-dons-hazmat-suit-russia-admits-virus-numbers/story?id=69768452
  
  And we would have expected this at the airports:
  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/world/coronavirus-world.html
  
  It’s the equivalent of getting a broadcast from dear leader at the top of Mount Everest, warning of the low oxygen and -35°C temperatures, dressed in a T-Shirt, jeans, and jandles.
  
  Covid-19 Opera.
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:16am
  - SB2
    
    Covid 19 Opera? Small wonder Trump lost the election.
    
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    December 30, 2020 10:43am
  - oldfella
    
    JR, talking of Hogwash Hendy (who followed the Imperial College modelling to help put us into lockdown)… well, it seems a recent Swedish study found the IC model had serious problems.
    Whooda thunk?
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    In a recent study, researchers from Imperial College London developed a model to assess the effect of different measures used to curb the spread of the coronavirus. However, the model had fundamental shortcomings and cannot be used to draw the published conclusions, claim Swedish researchers from Lund University, and other institutions, in the journal Nature.
    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-lockdowns-flawed.htm
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:41am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Not surprised oldfella.
      But your link has been removed.??
      
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      December 30, 2020 12:11pm
      - oldfella
        
        JR, yes that link has ‘vanished’. This one seems to cover the same study.
        https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-12/lu-mut122620.php
        
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        December 30, 2020 2:59pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @oldfella
        
        Thanks for the new link.
        
        From that link – for other’s benefit – a wise summary: “With a lot at stake, it is wise to be humble when faced with fundamental limitations. Dynamic models are usable as long as they take into account the uncertainty of the assumptions on which they are based and the data they are led by. If this is not the case, the results are on a par with assumptions or guesses”, concludes Soltesz.”
        
        I may be showing my age, but before you construct any model, you need reliable data. It’s been nearly 14 months since our government knew about it, 13 months today since Robertson agreed to borrow 19Bn in preparation for it.
        
        You would think by now that given the balls up of the Hendy “Sky is falling – 80,000 will die” model, that our government would have a published the IFR (Infection Fatality Rate) without all the fear porn massaging of stats. The true IFR would be reliable data, but here we are over a year down the track, dozens of Billions in debt and not a single piece of truthful data. God help us!
        
        I’ve no doubt that in the future AI will see such stupidity of man as a threat and attempt to wipe man out.
        
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        December 30, 2020 6:31pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Was the model in Fortran?
      
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      December 30, 2020 1:04pm
- cmm
  
  This time every year I re-read some interesting books on the human/technology interface going wrong.
  
  It is a sobering reminder that just humans are part of the system and need to be designed into systems. A human failure is really a systems failure. People act they way they do, not the way you want them to.
  
  The concepts are transferable to a wider set of circumstances in the principles of unintended consequences.
  
  I also tend to read some WW1/2 stuff too. Humbling. You can’t really bitch about not having a perfect Christmas when you consider the people that gave life and limb – or at least put up with really shitty living conditions – for years on end.
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:25am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “It is a sobering reminder that just humans are part of the system and need to be designed into systems.”
    
    I agree. So many failures in systems and systems security are because of a lack of understanding of the human condition. Understanding technology requires also understanding people.
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:00am
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      What they underestimate the most is the power of stupid people.
      
      All the smartest minds in the world can be outdone by 1 simple and stupid person whos does something so simple it gets overlooked.
      
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      December 30, 2020 12:17pm
- artemisia
  
  Re-reading and cogitating on the Residential Tenancies Amendment Act 2020. I know, sad life. But the complexities and cost are increasingly onerous compared to other businesses that the cogitation is about when to sell up or convert to other purposes, not if.
  
  For recreation, just started thriller #3 in R E McDermott’s ‘Deadly’ series. I know a lot more now about marine geopolitics, Somali pirates and tanker construction. I hope to never need to use any of that knowledge IRL.
  
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  December 30, 2020 11:16am
- Pharmachick
  
  Check this out occasionally, warning there are loads of rabbit holes:
  
  https://aldaily.com
  
  Originally started by somebody in CHCH, but sold a few years later.
  
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  December 30, 2020 12:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    The late Prof Denis Dutton
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/denis-dutton
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Dutton
    
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    December 30, 2020 12:51pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Thanks, I might look down some of those burrows.
    
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    December 30, 2020 1:09pm
- curry4me
  
  artemisia: I very seldom post stuff from the MSM. I almost always post articles from nationalist-populist sources. I usually only follow other posters links to MSM stuff.
  
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  December 30, 2020 2:03pm
cmm

C’mon Kelvin and Andy go give some hugz…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/waikeria-uprising-prisoners-still-rioting-at-waikato-jail/ZYNSVLWXPEFBWFWFT7N4BJ7GQA/
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December 30, 2020 9:02am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Dont fix it up or replace the matresses etc and infact dont punish them either, instead let them be shown hugs and kindness from the rest of the prison poulation for what theyve lost. I dont give a shit if they have no blankets and sleep on cold concrete thenext few years, play stupid games win stupid prizes
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:06am
  - Clyde
    
    Seems to be limited MSM coverage on this event. Solution? Bring in the military, bang a few heads together and shift the main leaders into solitary in another prison. Actual solution to be followed? Lots of hand-wringing, speeches about cultural colonisation, pandering to prisoner’s “complaints” and more soft initiatives from Kelvin Davis and Andrew Little.
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:51am
  - cmm
    
    Quite.
    
    This might be their first opportunity to learn the very valuable lesson of cause and effect.
    
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    December 30, 2020 10:27am
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      Yup but sadly jacinda will insistthey get sentenced to lashings of hugs and kindness.
      
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      December 30, 2020 11:55am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Burning mattresses on the roof. How are they going to sleep?
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:13am
  - cmm
    
    I’m sure Andy has a nice bed in his spare room.
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:32am
    - backster
      
      Kelvin says ‘no comment’ his longest speech for a while. Why not dowse the flames from a chopper.
      
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      December 30, 2020 11:39am
      - Wimpston peeders
        
        Bwahahaha that would be halarious, send a dozen choppers with monsoon buckets and fire retardant 🙂
        
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        December 30, 2020 12:18pm
      - sooty
        
        Monsoon bucket.
        
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        December 30, 2020 12:28pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Eventually the rioting prisoners are going to get hungry. Who is going to volunteer to cook for them and bring them their meals?
  
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  December 30, 2020 1:04pm
  - artemisia
    
    How about sending up blankets, basic food and water and a white flag. Stand down the negotiators and advise those on the roof that there will be a check every 4 hours to see if the white flag is on display so they can be assisted to come down.
    
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    December 30, 2020 1:30pm
    - Clyde
      
      Blow that artemisia. Send in the choppers with monsoon buckets and drench the whole place. Most of these people are wastes of space. Some might have the intelligence to surrender after being drenched on a regular basis. Then send in the troops with orders to subdue. Pick them off in small groups and charge every inmate that took part in this. Go hard and go early seems to be popular.
      
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      December 30, 2020 3:46pm
I remember when

KO’B
So an ever increasing amount of cash will be invested in areas that are already inflated.
Housing and Stocks are over priced already but there are few options for the average investor.
People who rely on investment income, or who want to insure against loss of value of assets, are between a rock and a hard place.
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December 30, 2020 9:05am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Savers have been robbed by the low interest money printers. They have boxed themselves in as the cost of repayment is too high.
  I do expect the surplus liquidity will be re-homed in asset price increases. They have largely exhausted the share-buy-back possibilities. My new book will show the folly and inequity of those purchases.
  
  Our govt is going to struggle with the gyrations of the global financial markets, currency rates and exchange rates. As amateurs they may feel like running away eventually.
  
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  December 30, 2020 1:17pm
I remember when

My faith in human nature has been restored.
Just received an email saying that, because of the covid pandemic I was one of five people being offered 1,900,000 euros.
Now what are the odds on that happening.
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December 30, 2020 9:07am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  About the same odds as you dying of covid!!!
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:37am
Yvette

As host David Farrar earlier posts LIFE OF BRIAN is no longer R16
The Censor (with him guiding a 13-year-old boy through the process of requesting a review of classification) has recently re-rated LIFE OF BRIAN to now be ‘M’, rather than its original “R16”.
The story of Brian Cohen – supposedly born in the stable next door to Jesus Christ, so Brian of Nazareth spends his life being mistaken for a messiah – technically avoids “blasphemy”, but does seem over-all to fit the format of the recently objected to phrase “Islam is right about women” – a supposed ‘complimentary negative’.

In any consideration of religious belief systems in New Zealand, their status and relation to “hate speech” – where ‘religion’ seems to be mistaken for ‘race’ – I trust that in any forth-coming legislation from Andrew Little and Jacinda Ardern, all religions will be treated equally.
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December 30, 2020 9:09am
- Scott
  
  Sadly Yvette all religions will not be treated equally whether in word or in practice following the hate speech legislation, presuming it passes?
  
  Islam will be treated with kid gloves. Christianity will not.
  Unfortunately this government appears to want to take upon itself authority over all things, including religion. This year they have taken upon themselves to tell you whether you can go to work or not, whether you can go to church or not, whether you can even go out for a walk or order takeaways?
  Under the guise of a pandemic emergency they took upon themselves powers that no New Zealand government has ever had, intruding on the minute details of the lives of ordinary New Zealanders.
  Now they are taking upon themselves the regulation of religion and what we can say about God. Indeed I understand the Almighty is looking forward to Jacinda’s rules and regulations as to what he may or may not do?
  
  This is the problem when government feels they have no limits or power beyond themselves. They start to believe that they are God? And we all know where this ends up?
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:48am
  - Inandout
    
    Scott, Kim is still North Korean leader and has god like status like his father/grandy. So far being a god has worked for him.
    
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    December 30, 2020 10:20am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      He even gained a new worshipper in the last few years – Donald “we fell in love” Trump.
      
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      December 30, 2020 10:33am
      - Inandout
        
        m&m, that is perhaps why Trump is now the ‘most admired’ man.
        
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        December 30, 2020 2:10pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    “They start to believe that they are God?”
    
    They believe that they are accountable to no-one.
    
    The concept of any spiritual existence does not fit their hedonistic/tyrannical lifestyle.
    
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    December 30, 2020 12:04pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Yes, ultimately Ardern, like all of us, will have to account to God.
    
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    December 30, 2020 1:21pm
theoldbloke

Kiwibank is ursurus and joins the ranks of loan shark.

I have a low interest Credit card with them. (16%)
A customer for over 20 years. Pay my card on time and have had accounts with them from time to time over $100k balance.

Being a Covid Casualty and short on cash, I thought I would ask for a personal loan to cover some dental work…

After filling out the form and advising them I was hearing impaired……(yep-dont phone!!!
I get a phone call from someone with a heavy Punjabi accent(could hardly understand what he was saying) confirming my answers on the form.

Then delighted to tell me that I could have a loan at 18.95%.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ferkin robbers.
No wonder the poor get poorer with this attitude.

Customer service is obvioulsy not in Kiwibanks mantra.

Guess I will change to an Aussie owned bank who value their customers and dont rely on patriotism for customers to hang around(the reason I opened an account-a NZ owned bank)
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December 30, 2020 9:14am
- Jimmy White
  
  Its called ‘Carpet Bagging’ and all Banks are experts in it. ANZ are Australian expert in the practice.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:37am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Borrow at 2% reloan it out at 18%… good business model eh and even better that its all just make believe money generated at the push of a button on a computer.
  
  All banks are thieving scum and i refuse to borrow a cent from them now and only keep the bare minimum in accounts aswell. Kiwibank will be 1st to go tits up in nz when the crunch comes, id be going elsewhere as nz is a bail in country and some big haircuts are on the horizon
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:41am
  - Paulus
    
    Where can I get a TD with a Bank at 2% please –
    p.s. I will not tell anybody else, as they are offering me under my pressure 0.85%
    
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    December 30, 2020 1:33pm
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      True i havent even looked for a while, are 5 and 20 year that crap aswell?
      
      Id be investing cash into better performing material assets like housing, metals, even art or classic cars if youve only got smaller amounts of money.
      
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      December 30, 2020 4:00pm
  - theoldbloke
    
    Should have read this bit first from Kiwibank website
    
    Key features and benefits. Our standard personal loan interest rates range from 16.95% p.a. to 18.95 …
    
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    December 30, 2020 4:45pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Change to TSB – they get good customer rating and are one of the few NZ-owned banks left.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:48am
- RJ
  
  Quick Google, 16% is a bit more than other banks, asb and Westpark are in the 13% for low interest credit card.
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:57am
  - marcw
    
    Low interest rate cards at ASB and Westpac still have annual fees. Kiwibank’s 16% interest rate card is zero fee. If you pay your bill on time and in full each month, there are no other fees to pay.
    
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    December 30, 2020 10:16am
    - RJ
      
      No account fees with asb on low interest
      
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      December 30, 2020 10:31am
      - marcw
        
        Thanks, useful to know.
        
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        December 30, 2020 11:25am
    - theoldbloke
      
      Maybe I am the exception. But I got charged a fee!!
      
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      December 30, 2020 11:20am
      - marcw
        
        Then it’s not a Kiwibank Visa Zero credit card. Which by the way has an interest rate of 13.95% on unpaid balances.
        https://www.kiwibank.co.nz/personal-banking/credit-cards/rates-and-fees/
        
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        December 30, 2020 11:43am
- H. Upmann
  
  If you want NZ owned, the best option by far is TSB.
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:06am
- theoldbloke
  
  Forgot to sayI am debt free and mortgage free on family home.
  
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  December 30, 2020 11:21am
  - rangitoto
    
    Then take out a mortgage.
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Suggest, if possible, borrow from a trading bank against a mortgage security. I get low rates that way.
  
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  December 30, 2020 1:24pm
  - sooty
    
    Never completely pay of the mortgage, so you can just go and ask for more, without having to do all the legals, all over again!
    
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    December 30, 2020 4:49pm
Engelbert Humperdink

Waikeria. Police who are very brave when intimidating licensed firearms owners and people surfing or walking during (an initially entirely illegal) lockdown are all of a sudden too skeered to sent AOS people into take control of a jail trashed by unarmed criminals. Sheesh. Gutless unionists or gutless management? or both.
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December 30, 2020 9:34am
- fernglas
  
  AOS is for armed offenders, hence the name. Unarmed prisoners are Corrections’ responsibility
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:57am
  - Inandout
    
    fern, I would suspect new mattresses are on the way from the Bed Barn or similar. Gets quite cold in Waikeria.
    
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    December 30, 2020 10:24am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    The job that needs to be done is best done by those that can best do it.
    
    These people are armed, read the article. They’re armed with pieces of the prison. They’s just not armed with firearms.
    
    Police take our tax money to swan around like TV SWAT teams. Get them off their couches and into Waikeria.
    
    Remember, you and I will be paying to rebuild the prison because the Govt will be too soft to let these rioters who destroyed their hours, sleep outside…
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:38am
    - Nickc2
      
      Frankly, I don’t give a stuff who does the job but FFS get the bastards off the roof and back in custody. Hose them off the roof if necessary and if that can’t be done, keep them constantly wet. Negotiation implies some give and take and IMO is not a tool that is applicable here. Just do what is required! Set an example that will deter such behaviour in the future.
      
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      December 30, 2020 12:31pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Like any govt that starts its decent into totalitarianism they gey softer on crime and harsher on the law abiding.
  
  Personally i think 90% of nz pigs are too weak to be in the job, the other 10% just havent realised yet that the uniform dosent give them superpowers and the average gang member will thump them on a 1 on 1. FTP
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:17am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    So far, your reference to police officers as ‘pigs’ is being approved by the Kiwiblog rabble.
    
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    December 30, 2020 10:34am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      One of the mods makes habitual references to people he disagrees with, far more pungently. But hey, if we’re all rabble, feel free to read elsewhere. Antifa – sounds like you’d fit right in there.
      
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      December 30, 2020 11:41am
    - oldfella
      
      Not by me. ‘Pigs’ is too much, Wimpst0n. You could have made that point without resorting to the kind of names many leftie cop-haters use.
      
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      December 30, 2020 11:58am
      - Wimpston peeders
        
        Sorry for the offence oldfella i have far better describing words but the mods will moderate.
        
        I had little respect for them as it was but to villainize law abiding folk and at the same time be complete pussies with mongrel mob and fleeing drivers theyve 100% lost my respect, maybe if real policing returned my view may change but untill then FTP.
        
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        December 30, 2020 1:11pm
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      Without using expletives then thats currently the best describing word.
      
      And yes i do tell them my views when face to face 🙂 quite halarious as most just bow their head in shame.
      
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      December 30, 2020 12:03pm
      - IC5000
        
        And then you wake up.
        
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        December 30, 2020 2:29pm
  - SB2
    
    Red neck crime-stopper extraordinaire!
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:00am
  - IC5000
    
    Looking forward to the day when ‘pigs’ teach you to respect authority face down on the side of the road.
    
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    December 30, 2020 2:13pm
- Nickc2
  
  A pandering Government more like.
  
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  December 30, 2020 11:46am
pdm

`A customer for over 20 years.’

Bloody hell have we taxpayers been propping up Jims Bank for 20 years?

What lunacy.
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December 30, 2020 9:48am
Maggie Pie

Speaking with my partners mum last night. She was telling us that quite a few of the residents in the retirement village have major concerns about being first in line when the Covid vaccine arrives.
It doesn’t worry her though. Providing she gets the one from the same company that invented Viagra, she’d have complete faith in it. She reckons if a company can raise the dead, they can certainly cure the living.
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December 30, 2020 10:09am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Thats 1 way to look at it but how about you tell her pfizer vaccine could also turn the living into a stiff 🙂
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:18am
Fletch

Donald Trump has been named in a Gallup poll as the most admired man, beating out Obama, who won the last 12 years…

Americans are most likely to name President Donald Trump as their most admired man as 2020 comes to a close, edging out his predecessor Barack Obama in the annual Gallup survey released Tuesday.

Trump’s top-place finish ends a 12-year run as most admired man for Obama, tied with Dwight Eisenhower for the most ever.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/29/gallup-after-12-year-run-obama-falls-to-trump-as-most-admired-man/

But somehow he lost the election.
I bet the media here don’t report this. ?
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December 30, 2020 10:18am
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, at least he attended his own Inaugration. Looks like ChinaJoe will still be in his basement.
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:26am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    The turn out would be embarrassingly low if Biden were ever to be inaugurated in person in DC. They know this, so it will be broadcast from a safe location.
    
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    December 30, 2020 12:17pm
- fernglas
  
  Why would they bother? A loser, yesterday’s hero. Maybe when Trump cracks it 13 years in a row, someone will actually give a fuck.
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:29am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Clap, clap, clap…
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:35am
- JackRabbit
  
  I’m interested to know where ~~Ned Devine~~ Joe Biden got in that poll.
  
  OK, looked it up, Joe Biden with 6% as compared with 18% for Trump, and 15% for Obama.
  
  So ~~Ned Devine~~ Joe Biden polled 66.7% lower than Donald Trump, and 60% lower than Barack Obama. But managed to get 1% more votes than Donald Trump in the election, and 17% more votes than Barack Obama did in 2008.
  
  That could be compared to Asya Branch getting top ratings on a Gallup Poll for Miss USA 2020, but outrun in the Miss USA 2020 finals by Farrah Fawcett.
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:49am
  - Nickc2
    
    Geez, Farrah Fawcett. What’s the name of those pills again Maggie?
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:52am
- SB2
  
  Fletch , depends where Breitbart looks,which appears not very far,
  
  Public’s Mood Sours — 16% Satisfied, 39% Approve of Trump,
  
  WASHINGTON, D.C. — The public’s overall mood has soured since Gallup’s post-election measure in November. Specifically, satisfaction with the direction of the country and views of economic conditions in the U.S. have worsened significantly.
  
  So, too, has Congress’ job approval rating, which, at 15%, is the lowest of the 116th Congress. President Donald Trump’s job approval rating has fallen to 39% — down seven percentage points from before the election. In contrast, nearly two-thirds of Americans approve of the way Joe Biden is handling his presidential transition….”
  
  https://news.gallup.com/poll/328106/public-mood-sours-satisfied-approve-trump.aspx
  
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  December 30, 2020 10:51am
  - JackRabbit
    
    SB2,
    
    Pre-election poll is what mattered, as to how people would have voted.
    
    That poll you linked to is post election, where the MSM has been harshly painting Trump as a sore loser, instead of calling out the election fraud.
    
    ~~Americans~~ Residents of Tulaigh Mhór approve of the way ~~Joe Biden~~ Ned Devine is handling his ~~presidential transition~~ lotto win….
    
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    December 30, 2020 12:18pm
    - SB2
      
      jack Rabbit, the facts are Trump is a sore loser!pre or post election.
      
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      December 30, 2020 1:30pm
- RichardX
  
  Fletch,
  
  Have you read the actual results of the poll?
  
  Trump 18%
  Obama 15%
  Biden 6%
  Fauci 3%
  Pope Francis 2%
  
  Female
  Michelle Obama 10%
  Kamala Harris 6%
  Melania Trump 4%
  
  Hardly a ringing endorsement for any of them.
  
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  December 30, 2020 11:15am
  - Fletch
    
    Yep, but if something can be made of Obama winning it, then something can be made out of Trump doing the same.
    
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    December 30, 2020 11:39am
  - JackRabbit
    
    RichardX,
    
    This is not a presidential poll. It is a popularity poll of most admired man and woman in your life. Most normal people will have voted for a more local role model, than a presidential figure, so 18% is quite a high figure and far higher than the 5% of ~~Ned Device~~ Joe Biden.
    
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    December 30, 2020 12:25pm
    - IC5000
      
      Maybe a lot of Americans would like to be a fake billionaire who screws creditors without paying them off, cheats on his wife with pornstars and lies routinely getting away with it.
      
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      December 30, 2020 2:35pm
      - theoldbloke
        
        IC. You really should consider counselling.
        The boring repetition and repetition and repetition is often a sign of mental stress.
        
        But. If it keeps you happy, what can I say
        
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        December 30, 2020 4:33pm
- Monique Watson
  
  That’s because it’s super uninteresting. Media don’t report opinion if they’re doing their job. Fact is Trump lost.
  
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  December 30, 2020 11:18am
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    All the media report nowdays is opinion you fool.
    
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    December 30, 2020 12:05pm
- Biscuit
  
  Curious how Gallup, supposedly a reputable polling outfit, don’t publish how many people voted in this poll of theirs.
  
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  December 30, 2020 12:23pm
- MCos
  
  Trump is one of the few US presidents not to be the most popular male. Obama is the the only one to be popular beyond his tenure.
  Hillary Clinton was the most popular woman every year from 1993 to 2017 with three exceptions.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup%27s_most_admired_man_and_woman_poll
  
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  December 30, 2020 12:30pm
WaynelSexton

AC reports on a hilarious rumor floating around the chans. If it’s not true, President Trump’s team should make it true:
https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/mike-pence-intends-to-count-the-electoral-votes-on-a-dominion-voting-machine

The 6 January elector ‘ballot’ count is going to go down as the greatest troll of all time.

You may or may not know, but the Vice President gets to count the electors. That’s the one thing the Constitution makes crystal clear. Apparently the plan is for Mike Pence to roll in a Dominion voting machine (or a knock off that looks like one). He’s then going to pull out a USB drive, update the software just before the count, and use the machine to count the elector ballots.

Remember, this will be on national television. The count will not only come out fractional, but it will result in more votes than actual electors AND result in Trump winning more electors than Biden.

The chamber is expected erupt in chaos. Obviously the count will be challenged. Pence will then conduct a ‘recount,’ but he will use the machine to print the recount ballots and then hand count those. The recounted number will be similar to the original count, only changing by a couple votes, but it will result in Trump winning by even more than before.

Dems are expected to cry “fraud” and Pence will object and call for order. He will tell them that it’s too late to challenge because it’s already done. The count is finished. He will then deliberately wipe the machine’s software.

I SO want to believe….
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December 30, 2020 10:28am
- Nickc2
  
  Sounds fair to me.
  
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  December 30, 2020 11:57am
Wimpston peeders

The short version, to translate english to bro just speak like a bad englisg speaking chinese person but in s kiwi accent.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/te-reo-maori/300191595/taking-words-from-english-into-te-reo

Example
kilometre = kiromita
cappuccino = kaputino

Pretty much if their wasnt a word for something in te reo prior to european arrival then the word becomes native nz pidgen english and is slaughtered.
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December 30, 2020 10:30am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What’s the point? Do we wan’t to bastardise English too?
  
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  December 30, 2020 1:31pm
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    Too late dont you think, im just mocking nzs pidgen engrish brigade and their quest to te reo any word can.
    
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    December 30, 2020 4:05pm
- MFD
  
  Pidgen (sic)
  Skeered (sic)
  Halarious (sic)
  Starts its decent (sic)
  quantative (sic) easing
  
  You are slaughtering English all by yourself without any moari (sic) help. Why do you do this?
  
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  December 31, 2020 3:11am
SB2

Entirely predictable. From the couch Dr Sigmund Freud your diagnosis?

Omarosa warns Trump is going through a ‘psychotic episode’ and that he might try to PARDON himself at DC rally on January 6 when Congress certifies the election results,

Former White House communications director Omarosa Manigault Newman says President Donald Trump is going through a ‘psychotic episode’ after losing the presidential election.

‘I think Donald Trump is going through a psychotic episode. I think that he has come to terms with his loss, but his arrogance, his ego will not allow him to accept that he is not going to be president come January,’ she said to MSNBC’s Alex Witt Saturday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9091201/Omarosa-says-Trump-going-psychotic-episode-following-election-loss.html
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December 30, 2020 10:58am
- oldfella
  
  SB2: Omarosa? Well known Trump hater who he fired years back and who now takes every change she gets to slag him off? That Omarosa?
  Well then, is she says Trump is psychotic, that’s good enough for any reputable newsite to run with (see today’s Stuffed and Horrid).
  I’m sure they’ll do the same when some Biden hater says the next president has dementia. Yes?
  
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  December 30, 2020 12:06pm
  - SB2
    
    oldfella, you need to adjust those specs and look deeper.
    
    “Omarosa Onee Manigault Newman, often known mononymously as Omarosa, is an American reality television show participant, writer, and former political aide to President Donald Trump. She became widely known as a contestant on the first season of NBC’s reality television series The Apprentice. “Wikipedia
    
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    December 30, 2020 1:38pm
    - oldfella
      
      Yep, SB2. Exactly as I described her in my original comment. Your point?
      
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      December 30, 2020 3:09pm
mikenmildagain

I learned today, courtesy of the Stuff quiz, that Galileo made the first recorded observation of the planet Neptune. I had thought it was not discovered until the 1840s.
Wikipedia tells me, though, that Galileo did not recognise it as a planet, and also that two other astronomers also observed it before its discovery proper.
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December 30, 2020 11:10am
- Fletch
  
  Yeh, some answers on the Stuff quiz can be questionable.
  
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  December 30, 2020 11:36am
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    https://www.space.com/6941-theory-galileo-discovered-neptune.html
    
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    December 30, 2020 12:12pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Fletch, 99.9% of Stuff’s content merits the term ‘questionable’…
    
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    December 30, 2020 12:16pm
- rangitoto
  
  Apparent magnitude ~ 8. Easily visible in 10 X 50 binoculars let alone a telescope. Recognising as a planet a lot more difficult unless you have enough resolving power to see it as a disk or perform positional measurements over time.
  
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  December 30, 2020 12:05pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Higher the Magnetude the harder too see. Hence comment below regarding Galileo.
    FWIW Pleides is 6 ish. So nothing spectaclar either.
    
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    December 30, 2020 1:01pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Common Logic tells you no body observed Neptune possibly before Galileo.
  
  Why ?
  
  He invented the Telescope. Fact.
  
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  December 30, 2020 12:57pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Maybe not MM (at least technically)…
    
    https://www.space.com/21950-who-invented-the-telescope.html
    
    Dutchman beat him to it. Also, suggest if you get the chance you visit Chichen Itza… there’s a “claimed” telescope structure there that predates Galileo by centuries, likewise the Mayans believed in heliocentrism centuries before Copernicus.
    
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    December 30, 2020 2:45pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Thanks for that Link,
      Interesting.
      
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      December 30, 2020 3:26pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Hans Lipperhey is usually credited as the inventor although it was subject to patent dispute. Galileo made some minor improvements after hearing about the Dutch invention.
    
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    December 30, 2020 3:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Maybe the Stuff folk muddled Galle with Galileo
  
  http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1910JRASC…4..379C
  
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  December 30, 2020 1:04pm
- SB2
  
  John Herschel
  John Herschel almost discovered Neptune the same way his father, William Herschel, had discovered Uranus in 1781, by chance observation. In an 1846 letter to Wilhelm Struve, John Herschel states that he observed Neptune during a sweep of the sky on July 14, 1830.
  
  Discovery of Neptune – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Discovery_of_Neptune
  
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  December 30, 2020 1:40pm
Fletch

On “The Great Reset” (5 mins).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQulGSF18OM
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December 30, 2020 11:12am
NewInoffensiveName

There is much talk of “no evidence” of election fraud (despite a tsunami of evidence and more coming every day) and “no evidence” of Biden’s culpability for influence peddling, Spygate, etc.

There is a sentiment, especially among those who assign some credulity to the MSM, of “is that all you got?” when it comes to the question of just who will occupy the White House after 20 Jan 2021. The narrative seems to be that if such evidence exists, it would be out in the public view by now.

I think there is a very good reason why we have not yet seen any of the massive amount of data collected by military intelligence in connection with the mandate for such data to be collected contained in Trump’s 2018 EO designating federal elections as ‘critical infrastructure’. But first, lets consider the non-military stuff out there.

What is becoming increasingly clear is the wide scope of the Durham investigation. Durham is operating as an independent special prosecutor, able to pursue indictments in any state he chooses. He has also recently been given permission to use classified information for the purpose of any indictments. This massive shoe may well drop before the Jan 6th Congressional session and may be a part of Showman Trump’s big plan to knock Biden out of contention along with many of his criminal associates. But maybe Durham is a swamp creature and he will not step up for this historical role in the play.

What is left, then? What if the state legislatures refuse to act? What if lower courts and SCOTUS do not open any judicial remedies? What if Durham and any other DOJ investigations come to nothing?

What is left is is the military intelligence that DNI Ratcliff was responsible for digesting into a report that was due and delivered on Dec 18th, detailing much of the mischief associated with the 2020 election, including actions by malevolent foreign actors. What is left is all of the information hoovered up off the internet by NSA. What’s left are the cumulative efforts of ASoD Chris Miller (a special forces god in his own right) and Ezra Cohen Watnik (one of the few men trained as a spy and as a special forces operator). Both of these men of unusual character and background for their current high offices were handpicked and placed there with the advice of Gen Mike Flynn, recently pardoned by Trump. Flynn is the uberspook, the spymaster, the intelligence wizard who was so feared by Obama that he was the one person he counselled Trump to exclude from his administration.

These men, and the agencies they lead and the capable teams working within them represent the mightiest intelligence apparatus ever assembled on Planet Earth. They possess resources and technology that is literally beyond most people’s imagination. All of these resources were brought to bear on the 2020 election.

Well then, they say. Why has Trump not unveiled all of this information? The first big reason is that it is highly classified. Not just the information itself, but the methods for collecting it that any disclosure risks revealing. But another big reason is the risks to prosecution.

If Durham’s prosecution is to be successful, if the right’s desire to ‘lock her up’ are to be fulfilled, it will require cases that can make their way through the courts without being thrown out due to procedural defects. Classified information leaked through back channels, no matter how accurate or compelling, risks blowing up any and all of the work that Durham and others have been put together over a period of years.

Thus the military intelligence information gambit is literally the very last card to be played and then only in the event that all others have failed to push the scandal-ridden, influence-peddling Biden out of the way.

I personally hope that Durham is going to drop a f*#@-ton of indictments between now and Jan 6th. I hope this will be enough to sway the body politic in the right direction. I hope that the efforts of Giuliani and Powell, et al, are enough to swing the Electoral College. But if that all is not enough, count on Trump playing his last card, the military intelligence card, to devastating effect.
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December 30, 2020 11:21am
- SB2
  
  Is this Trump’s military intelligence card?
  
  Sidney Powell touted Joshua Merritt as a military intelligence expert to help allege voter fraud
  
  In their continued efforts to overturn the 2020 Presidential election results in favor of President Donald Trump, lawyer Sidney Powell has been touting a “military intelligence expert” as a key figure to prove voter fraud. However, The Washington Post reported Friday that the expert is not a member of the military.
  
  The so-called expert was identified as Texas information technology consultant Joshua Merritt. Powell had attempted to hide the identity of Merritt, referring to him with only the code name “Spyder” or “Spider.” Powell stated that voting systems in the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Michigan were “certainly compromised by rogue actors, such as Iran and China..…”
  
  https://news.yahoo.com/sidney-powell-key-military-intelligence-172318235.html
  
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  December 30, 2020 9:23pm
Jack5

Cool, hard-to-beat bravery from a British mine-disposal team is outlined in the Telegraph.

“Colonel the Reverend” Robbie Hall (he became a Baptist minister) led an Army disposal team of three inside a dark, flooded gasometer at Beckford, London, to find and defuse a 500kg German bomb. It had plunged through the top during the blitz, and the top was repaired leaving the bomb inside. Suspicion the bomb was there was aroused by a maintenance worker in a routine dive.

The three soldiers were winched down 100ft in the darkness to the surface of 40ft of dank water polluted with decades of poison from gas. From there they dived and found the bomb. The three were able to hoist it into a rubber dinghy. Then by torchlight they found the intact fuse. It then took them an hour to defuse it. By the time they got the bomb out through the airlock at the top of the gasometer they had been in the tank for 11 and a half hours.

Hall and the other two soldiers were each awarded the Queen’s Gallantry Medal. Bomb-disposal soldiers, among the bravest of the brave, during war aren’t eligible for the Victoria Cross, but many have been awarded the George Cross. The Queen in September raised the George Cross to be equivalent in order to the Victoria Cross.

The account of the disposal is an obituary for Hall behind the Telegraph pay wall, but you can read about it in the evangelical magazine I found on Google (link below). In the first-person account Hall tells of what seems to have been his instant religious conversion when his breathing apparatus seized up in the gasometer and he ingested gunk, which he cleared by vommiting, which also took a blockage out of the breathing gear valve.

If you can tolerate the religious stuff, this is an insight into the cool bravery of bomb-disposal folk:

https://www.evangelicalmagazine.com/article/down-to-the-depths/
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December 30, 2020 11:28am
Fletch

And the fraudulent behavior goes on. Stacey Abrams sister, a federal judge, has ordered that Georgia’s voting rolls may not be cleaned up before the election there.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/29/judge-who-stacey-abrams-sister-blocks-challenges-voter-eligibility-two-counties-ahead-senate-runoff/
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December 30, 2020 11:32am
- oldfella
  
  Fletch, it’s different when the left do it.
  
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  December 30, 2020 12:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Corrupt to the core. She is looking after her own arse
  
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  December 30, 2020 12:34pm
- bruceavon
  
  Well Trump and his fans were happy for cases to appear in front of Republican Judges, and even judges Trump appointed, so they can’t exactly reject democrat aligned ones can they?
  In fact, many of the most brutal rejections of cases have occurred with Trump appointed judges. 3 Trump appointed judges on the Supreme Court, a conservative majority and it didn’t even make it through the door.
  Of course, some evidence that would actually stand up in court would help.
  
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  December 30, 2020 1:33pm
- RJ
  
  Are you surprised? She campaigned for Obama and Biden, and for her sister. You’d be surprised just how many judges are compromised and those that aren’t how many have received death threats.
  
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  December 30, 2020 1:38pm
- SB2
  
  Fletch , the reality,
  
  Stacey Abrams: Republicans ‘do not know how to win without voter suppression’
  
  Biba Adams
  Wed, December 30, 2020, 4:25 AM GMT+13
  
  ‘When we create access to the right to vote for eligible citizens,’ Abrams told CNN, ‘more people participate.’
  
  Former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, the founder of Fair Fight, blasted Republicans this week for their pattern of voter suppression.
  “When we create access to the right to vote for eligible citizens, more people participate,” Abrams told CNN’s Jim Sciutto in an interview Monday morning, “and Republicans do not know how to win without voter suppression as one of their tools…”
  
  https://news.yahoo.com/stacey-abrams-republicans-not-know-152519286.html
  
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  December 30, 2020 1:57pm
  - Fletch
    
    Gimme a break. Abrams is the one pushing mail-in voter registration. She is the one who would not concede her loss in Georgia (and still hasn’t as far as I know). One of these totally corrupt Dems.
    
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    December 30, 2020 3:13pm
    - Batman
      
      Given what Brian Kemp did with court suppression while secretary of state and the candidate, there is an open question about his victory. Far more so than the attempted voter fraud accusations bandied about by the secret little fascists
      
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      December 30, 2020 3:57pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        But it’s different when the right do it. You should know that Batman //
        
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        December 30, 2020 4:19pm
oldfella

For a bit of light relief, here’s a great story about a famous actor’s wife who has apparently been pretending to be Latina. You know, cultural appropriation and all that? (BTW, the actor is a raving lefty with a severe case of TDS, so maybe don’t laugh too hard at his spouse’s misfortune. Then again… )
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/wait-who-is-hilaria-baldwin/
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December 30, 2020 12:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

‘Smart Thermostat’ Where are the media on this, or is it just another diversion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elh9coflpVo&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0GyHf5-jmhMsoOm08vbukIfytl6lLwtRfF6wjJqNbwtjWrrFpnjx2W6io
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December 30, 2020 12:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Here come the trolls in 3, 2, 1 …..
  
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  December 30, 2020 12:35pm
  - curry4me
    
    Steve Otto(North Shore) But the election was legal, and above board. And the machines are totally not compromised. One Ewes told me so. So did CNN.
    /sarc.
    
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    December 30, 2020 2:23pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Gothams hero and SB2 will be along soon with links to “fact checkers” followed by a bunch of jacindaspeak and jacindenial.
  
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  December 30, 2020 12:59pm
- IC5000
  
  Otto is right on this count. These devices are a matter of concern although most likely has nothing to do with fake vote fraud. These IoT devices allow back door access to be established through the device because the network will validate any user as authorised who accesses it and enable them to pivot onto other servers on the network and maintain privileges through persistence by being able to run scripts or upload code.
  
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  December 30, 2020 1:46pm
RW Capitalist

Found a quote for those listening to cindy.

Don’t be fooled by the words “socialism” and “communism”. Once you come to understand what they mean in terms of economic freedom you will know that they are anything but social, and have nothing to do with community. They simply mean “centralization of power in the hands of the people that make up the state, in the hands of the master class.

They are nothing but euphemisms for “slavery”.

Roman van Ree
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December 30, 2020 1:05pm
Swifty

Merlin Spitfire or Griffon Spitfire – which sounds the best?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8SuZJdgYuk
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December 30, 2020 1:11pm
- curry4me
  
  Swifty: Nice planes and sounf. Pity about modern cameras making propellors look like a windmill.
  
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  December 30, 2020 2:25pm
- Don Beckett
  
  I think the Merlin sound better – they are both V12 engines, but with small design alterations, the Griffon had a lot more capacity & therefore more power.
  
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  December 30, 2020 8:08pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l9GExV1Z0g

CCP Feared That Jack Ma Could Become the Next President With or Without the Party.

Jack Ma is uber-rich. Even today, his net worth stands at $50.4 billion. He is the third richest Chinese, but in terms of popularity, he is next to none. His businesses bring influence and power along with them, which the CCP doesn’t seem to like. If he does become the net presitator, Alibaba could take a hit. He’d go from the face of cheap, high quality e.commerce to the guy who is putting people in camps, and harvesting their organs.
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December 30, 2020 1:44pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OQ8YpiUmxs

Vice President Sued!

Vice President Sued! Texas Representative Louis Gohmert along with several electors of President Trump are suing Mike Pence over his role on January 6th in transmitting certified electoral votes to Congress.
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December 30, 2020 1:45pm
- Fletch
  
  Yep, he is suing for Pence to be able to do his job and follow the constitution in order that votes be cast for Trump. When I first saw the headline it sounded like a negative thing.
  
  His full statement –
  
  “The 2020 presidential election was one we’d expect to see in a banana republic, not the United States of America. In fact, the rampant fraud and unconstitutional actions that took place were so egregious that seven contested states– Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin all sent dueling slates of electors to Congress. This puts Vice President Mike Pence in a position where some argue he has to choose between morality and the law. That is not the case.
  
  “It is also critical to note that as many formerly in the mainstream media, now the Alt-Left media, continue to say that every court has said there is no evidence of fraud. That is disingenuous, deceitful, and flat out dishonest. The truth is that no court so far has had the morality and courage to allow evidence of fraud to be introduced in front of it.
  
  “We continue to hold out hope that there is a federal judge who understands that the fraud that stole this election will mean the end of our republic, and this suit would insure that the Vice-President will only accept electors legitimately and legally elected. There must be an opportunity for a day in court when fraud was this prevalent.
  
  “It is for this reason that I and other plaintiffs have filed a complaint for expedited declaratory and emergency injunctive relief to seek judgement from the court on the Vice President’s authority when presiding over the Senate during the Joint Session of Congress. We are asking the court to uphold the powers laid out in the United States Constitution which grant the Vice President the exclusive authority and sole discretion in determining which electoral votes to count. As outlined in the filing, the Electoral Count Act is unconstitutional because it directs Vice President Pence to legitimize electoral votes in violation of the Electors Clause and limits or eliminates his Twelfth Amendment authority to determine which slates of electors should be counted and which, if any, may not be counted. This is fundamental because no statute can constitutionally supply rules to the extent that such statute violates the U.S. Constitution.
  
  Thanks to spineless politicians, corrupt state officials and a coordinated effort to undermine the will of the American people in favor of business as usual in the D.C. swamp, we now find ourselves in a place where a stolen election becomes just another one of the miscarriages of justice this town refuses to remedy. The D.C. elites want to sweep these electoral injustices under the rug, just as they have done with countless other scandals such as the Russia-collusion hoax, the Biden-Ukrainian quid-pro quo, and Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of classified information, to mention only a few. For the sake of the future of our Republic, come January 6th, Vice President Pence must be authorized to uphold the legal votes of millions of Americans and preserve our nation’s great experiment in self-governance.”
  
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  December 30, 2020 4:39pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION……

Did anyone actually SEE the snake?
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December 30, 2020 1:56pm
I remember when

So if we get to the March anniversary of the Covid-19 lockdown – and nothing much has improved.
Who is going to take the credit!
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December 30, 2020 2:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The usual clowns will take credit for doing nothing – they are experts now
  
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  December 30, 2020 2:42pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  The 16th of march jacinda will do something that aligns with the UNs wishes.
  
  Duno if she will celebrate over covid tho as “fast and early” shouldnt be going on 1 year later… that would be late and slow
  
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  December 30, 2020 4:09pm
Maggie Pie

These last 2 nights at the beach would have to be the coldest we’ve ever experienced for this time of year.
Yet not a dicky bird in the Herald.
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December 30, 2020 2:54pm
- RJ
  
  Exclusive photo of Maggie’s partner cleaning the car at the beach
  
  https://i.huffpost.com/gen/1479097/thumbs/o-CAR-IN-OCEAN-900.jpg?2
  
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  December 30, 2020 3:47pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😛
    
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    December 30, 2020 4:17pm
    - sooty
      
      Can’t see the boat trailer!
      
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      December 30, 2020 4:59pm
      - RJ
        
        But we did find the boat
        
        https://www.ncwlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/boat.jpg
        
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        December 30, 2020 5:41pm
RJ

An interesting report

A Simple Test for the Extent of Vote Fraud with Absentee Ballots in the 2020 Presidential Election: Georgia and Pennsylvania Data

John R. Lott
US Department of Justice

Date Written: December 21, 2020

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3756988

The precinct level estimates for Georgia and Pennsylvania indicate that vote fraud may account for Biden’s win in both states. The voter turnout rate data also indicates that there are significant excess votes in Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, and Wisconsin as well. While the problems shown here are large, there are two reasons to believe that they are underestimates: 1) the estimates using precinct level data assume that there is no fraud occurring with in- person voting and 2) the voter turnout estimates do not account for ballots for the opposing candidate that are lost, destroyed, or replaced with ballots filled out for the other candidate
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December 30, 2020 3:31pm
- Monique Watson
  
  John Lott is a well known coo coo bird. He’s an economist of no moment hired by the DOJ a month ago which was extremely controversial given he was constantly spouting off on guns and is a mate of Trumps. Not a reliable source and not well written. Sounds like he wrote it off the twitter feed.
  
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  December 30, 2020 5:01pm
  - RJ
    
    [Deleted. https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy :Personal Abuse
    
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    December 30, 2020 5:39pm
Maggie Pie

One of the gorls from tennis was telling us last week that they still don’t have possession of the Penthouse apartment they bought off the plans about 3 years ago. Despite all the promises and legal manouverings, since selling their own house they are still having to rent various properties in the meantime, while awaiting council sign-off etc. Costig them a fortune she reckons.

Same sort of shite going down in Sydney by the sound of it?

https://twitter.com/smh/status/1343675160545648642

Like my partner has always said, there are that many shifty developers around, why would anybody buy off the plans?
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December 30, 2020 3:43pm
fightingtemeraire

Elliott Ikelei has resigned from the board of the New Conservatives.
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December 30, 2020 4:07pm
- RJ
  
  [Mod. A quick Google would answer your question RJ, don’t be lazy.]
  
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  December 30, 2020 5:38pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING….

Gallup Poll has President Trump…. as ‘Most Admired Man in America’, followed by Michelle Obama.

Sleepy-Joe was hardly in the running with 6%.
LOL!!!
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December 30, 2020 4:26pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, but..but..he was so popular he got the most votes.
  
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  December 30, 2020 5:19pm
  - RJ
    
    In all fairness it was really hard getting tickets for his rallies, the 8 circles sold out within months
    
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    December 30, 2020 5:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So many love ‘Mike’ Not the local one.
  
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  December 30, 2020 5:22pm
RW Capitalist

Back in the days of tanners and bobs
Back in the days of tanners and bobs
When Mothers had patience and Fathers had jobs.
When football team families wore hand me down shoes,
And T.V gave only two channels to choose.
Back in the days of three penny bits,
when schools employed nurses to search for your nits.
When snowballs were harmless; ice slides were permitted
and all of your jumpers were warm and hand knitted.
Back in the days of hot ginger beers,
when children remained so for more than six years.
When children respected what older folks said,
and pot was a thing you kept under your bed.
Back in the days of Listen with Mother,
when neighbours were friendly and talked to each other.
When cars were so rare you could play in the street.
When Doctors made house calls and Police walked the beat.
Back in the days of Milligan’s Goons,
when butter was butter and songs all had tunes.
It was dumplings for dinner and trifle for tea,
and your annual break was a day by the sea.
Back in the days of Dixon’s Dock Green,
Crackerjack pens and Lyons ice cream.
When children could freely wear National Health glasses,
and teachers all stood at the FRONT of their classes.
Back in the days of rocking and reeling,
when mobiles were things that you hung from the ceiling. When woodwork and pottery got taught in schools,
and everyone dreamed of a win on the pools.
Back in the days when I was a lad,
I can’t help but smile for the fun that I had.
Hopscotch and roller skates; snowballs to lob.
Back in the days of tanners and bobs.
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December 30, 2020 4:29pm
Fletch

For car fans –

Aussie 1972 Ford Falcon GT Stored in barn for 28 Years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZJLPL_FTM
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December 30, 2020 5:03pm
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, I owned an XY but the rarest I have seen is the XA Phase 4 GTHO, only four made by Ford and one reputedly sold for over AU$1 million. It was an awesome machine and I can understand why the Aussie government banned them from being produced for sale.
  
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  December 30, 2020 5:38pm
  - kevn
    
    @InOut/Fletch… Just thinking about the genuine HK Bathurst Monaro I owned. 327, Muncie, LSD, 40 gallon tank that half filled the boot. Could never afford to fill ‘er up.
    Slide around black vinyl seats. Poor brakes, average handling but straight line grunt.
    Another one I should have kept….
    
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    December 30, 2020 8:20pm
WaynelSexton

Biden supporters can’t do math
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iyFi8yhz0Z8&t=329s
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December 30, 2020 5:22pm
Maggie Pie

1ZB news reporting, “…..rioting inmates at Waikeria Prison phone whanau to say ‘goodbye,’ as they see AOS gathering on the perimeter”

As my partner said…. “Oh God, give me strength!!”
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December 30, 2020 6:19pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… The rioting inmates must think they are sooo important. Not. AOS are there just to give them a sleepless night. On top of no foodies. Plus the adrenaline will have worn off. I hope it rains.
  
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  December 30, 2020 8:16pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You sound sooo like my partner kev.
    A real nasty ba*tard 😀
    
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    December 30, 2020 9:01pm
info@cruzpro.com

Team New Zealand America Cup monohull attained a speed of 103.7 Kmh!

If you had told me a year ago this could happen with a sailboat I would have thought you were having delusions.

Way to go NZ.

But now I’m starting to worry about what bad things could happen at those speeds (speed kills)? Is it only a matter of time?
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December 30, 2020 6:22pm
greybeard

Stuff headline says: “Samoan church leader dies in Auckland MIQ”.

Click on the headline and it then says:
”Man who died in Auckland managed isolation facility was Samoan church leader”.

Read the whole article and what do we see?
“Whilst his death has been reported to the coroner, Leiloa is said to have died from natural causes.
Acting MIQ deputy chief executive Andrew Milne said the cause of death was unlikely to be Covid-related, as Leiloa was symptom-free and came from a country with no local transmission of the virus.”.
So Stuff presents this article to give the impression that he died from CV19 when it was not true.
Is this really the standard of news reporting we want in NZ? How did it get to this situation?
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December 30, 2020 6:36pm
Maggie Pie

The lying prick told us he was from Ray White.

https://twitter.com/SamQHudson/status/1344075946354040833
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December 30, 2020 7:05pm
Fletch

Wikileaks does massive document dump. Dems in panic mode…

https://clashdaily.com/2020/12/watch-them-panic-wikileaks-exposing-dirty-secrets-making-all-that-data-public/

Wikileaks just dumped all of their files online. Everything from Hillary Clinton’s emails, McCain’s being guilty, Vegas shooting done by an FBI sniper, Steve Jobs HIV letter, PedoPodesta, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, Bilderberg, CIA agents arrested for rape, WHO pandemic. Happy Digging! Here you go, please read and pass it on…..

The docs –

https://file.wikileaks.org/file/
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December 30, 2020 8:56pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1-0XKYAZII&feature=emb_logo
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