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Wimpston peeders

Finally got around to watching “no safe spaces” last night, quite interesting and worth a watch if you havent seen it.

Imo it gives an insight to whats instore for us in the near future, i hope that NZ has more then a few good folk willing to stand up and defend free speech.

No doubt gothams hero and the usual snowflakes will have a tantrum about it or total denounce it without even watching.
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December 27, 2020 8:00am
Wimpston peeders

13… an unlucky number and just so happens to be the % increase in gang members and also the amount of fodder for the troughers.

I would also love to say 13% increase on the govts stupidity and incompetance too but sadly i think that is far higher.
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December 27, 2020 8:05am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Number 13, lucky for some
  
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  December 27, 2020 5:08pm
Doctor Sigmund Freud

ٱلسَّلَامُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ ٱللَّٰهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ
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December 27, 2020 8:07am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Youre definatly a doctor with writing like that lol
  
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  December 27, 2020 9:11am
- marcw
  
  Can you please explain your point Sigmund. Unlike the MSM, most of us Kiwis aren’t interested in random insertion of an unspoken language for communication.
  
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  December 27, 2020 9:39am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Arabic is a spoken language.
    
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    December 27, 2020 1:42pm
    - marcw
      
      True that, but apart from the vs MSM, Te Reo is rarely used amongst the majority of the English speaking population.
      
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      December 27, 2020 1:49pm
      - Jack5
        
        Google Translate suggests that the Freudian message posted at 8.07 is in the Sindhi language of Pakistan and the north-west of India. It can’t translate it, though.
        
        Get on the patient’s couch yourself, Dr Freud, and translate for us the Sindhi voices in your head.
        
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        December 27, 2020 2:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Peace be upon you
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ZWM1ugJno
  
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  December 27, 2020 9:48am
- giltee
  
  پنهنجو پاڻ کي ڇڪڻ
  
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  December 27, 2020 1:26pm
- Alan1930
  
  “الله” مفهوم سخيف.
  
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  December 27, 2020 7:20pm
KevO'Brien

For the economists among us–I don’t like bearing bad news but I expect this year coming will be one for battening down.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/12/26/german-economist-great-reset-will-cause-a-crash-worse-than-1930s/
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December 27, 2020 8:08am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  But Cindy doesn’t do battening down. She is too kind.
  
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  December 27, 2020 8:30am
  - pdm
    
    Cindy doesn’t do anything.
    
    Well not anything that benefits New Zealand anyway.
    
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    December 27, 2020 8:45am
    - Bob
      
      Cindy doesn’t do anything…useful or sustainable.
      
      There completed it for you.
      
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      December 27, 2020 9:17am
      - Paulus
        
        Except for herself !
        
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        December 27, 2020 10:46am
    - calendar girl
      
      On the plus side, I can’t recall our hearing anything meaningful from Princess Cindy for weeks now. May that state of affairs continue well into 2021.
      
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      December 27, 2020 9:25am
      - sooty
        
        Maybe she’s overseas?
        
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        December 27, 2020 11:09am
  - kevn
    
    @Captn… Killing us with kindness.
    
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    December 27, 2020 8:52am
- BAM
  
  I don’t like the great reset and what it’s about,
  but you have to remember James Delingpole’s thing is how the great reset is going to be to the end of everything, we’re going to all be slaves etc, etc.
  
  This is how people like James make money on the internet, you take a position normally the more extreme the better and endlessly discuss it, doesn’t matter if it’s true or made up or grossly exaggerated as long as you convince people to look at and share what you’re saying.
  
  You have to take this sort of stuff with a grain of salt.
  
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  December 27, 2020 8:30am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Exactly. Unfortunately, doom and gloom are often commodities here that overlook that NZ is capable of working as an army, and does. Right now, according to many kiwi bloggers, the wheels should have fallen off the economy. What do they do? Simply wipe the dust off their shoes and support another dire prediction instead of getting stuck in.
    
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    December 27, 2020 9:23am
    - mandk
      
      If, like many thousands of people, you have lost your job or your business this year, it will feel like the wheels have fallen off the economy.
      
      Employment is down and unemployment is up.
      
      Nothing to celebrate there.
      
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      December 27, 2020 1:19pm
  - BAM
    
    And the same thing applies to Donald Trump, it’s all about confirming and milking peoples bias.
    That’s how you make your money.
    
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    December 27, 2020 9:41am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Economists were invented to make Astrologers look good!!!
  
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  December 27, 2020 8:32am
  - MarkF
    
    Clumsy was supposed to be up sorry
    
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    December 27, 2020 9:18am
  - alwyn
    
    And we have been very successful at it.
    By the way, when you are reading about this “great reset” you must remember the definition of recession as compared to a depression.
    “It’s a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it’s a depression when you lose yours”.
    
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    December 27, 2020 4:21pm
- Simon
  
  The government social programs were all failing in Western Europe. Covid good excuse to crush economy to bury government failure and attempt “reset”
  
  In NZ not so extreme but look at the covid clown show aka Labour Party. All their 2017 promises in tatters by 2020. Covid good cover to hide their grinding incompetence
  
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  December 27, 2020 8:34am
- fernglas
  
  One thing that Trump has done well is to look at Covid 19 from a broader economic perspective than most of the rest of the world. He has the sense to see that lockdowns are not only not working, but are bringing economies to their knees. People in this country are so obsessed with keeping the disease out that they are prepared to see the economy ruined. To put some perspective on the number of deaths, pre-Covid, WHO projected that the number of world deaths in 2022 would be 1.5 million higher than this year. That’s about the same number as have died with Covid. Given that the preponderance of deaths is among the elderly, it will be interesting to see if next years death toll is in fact lower.
  
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  December 27, 2020 8:56am
  - Bob
    
    I’m surprised how no one is dying of ‘old age’ anymore.
    
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    December 27, 2020 9:18am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Most of the US IS in lockdown Fernglas. We’re under the strictest lockdown in CA ourselves. The fucktards who ignored the warnings over Thanksgiving are somewhat but not wholly responsible for the ICUs at capacity and the hospital tents outside Kaiser and Join Muir. It’s a nasty highly contagious, mutating, tissue attacking virus. What Trump blathers on about and what Texas and Tennessee are doing does not represent the rest of the US.
    
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    December 27, 2020 9:22am
    - rouppe
      
      The California state governor is primarily responsible for the covid response in California, not Trump.
      
      Same in Australia. You’ll note that the individual states there locked out travel from north Sydney and NSW, it wasn’t a federal decision.
      
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      December 27, 2020 10:47am
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        Scomo is effective as a wet lettuce leaf.
        The premiers will continue to play these reset games with free abundance.
        This has little to do with covid, it is all about control of the masses.
        People love to be scared and be saved.
        The sheep have voted for this worldwide with a few exceptions.
        Vietnam we fought because of communism, they are now a mere shadow of communism compared with us. How ironic, they have mastered this whole situation with minimal personal interference.
        
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        December 27, 2020 12:22pm
    - fernglas
      
      I know that lockdowns are a State rather than Federal decision, so Trump’s opinion carries little weight. My point is that he presents a perspective which is not entirely without foundation, namely that in the long term, lockdowns do more harm than good.
      
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      December 27, 2020 10:47am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Would make sense if the economy was ruined – but it isn’t.
    
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    December 27, 2020 9:25am
    - fernglas
      
      Not yet. Wait until they run out of money.
      
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      December 27, 2020 10:48am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        But what about Modern Monetary Theory and the ‘new’ economics…?
        
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        December 27, 2020 12:00pm
    - Ipanema69
      
      The best way of explaining economics is to equate it to an ordinary household. The current economic situation is quite simple. In March 2020 the grant and jacinda household (nz economy) lost about 50% of its income.
      
      Grant and Jacinda have replaced this income by maxxing out the credit cards and continued spending as normal. As a result things all seem pretty good.
      
      The problem is that Grant and Jacinda dont have a plan to either replace the lost income or repay the debt.
      
      A better plan would have been for Grant and Jacinda to make a list of their expenses. They could then make a list of priorities and eliminate unecessary spending. The could also look at selling various assetts that are surplus to requirements.
      
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      December 27, 2020 11:19am
      - Bob
        
        A better plan …..
        this requires a knowledge and appreciation of basic economics, let alone global financing practices. Even a basic knowledge of NZ’s potential wealth development areas would help.
        But I suppose, being able to expand salaries & wages of the Civil service 13% in a self generated recession could be looked upon as an economic achievement!!
        
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        December 27, 2020 1:43pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        And the reason that Labour won in a landslide was in large part due to the inability or unwillingness of the NZ population to understand your simple (and very well-articulated) analogy.
        
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        December 27, 2020 2:14pm
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      If the economy goes tits up while the printing press is running then we would be beyond saving and in zimbabwae and venezuela territory.
      The hurt will come when the money runs out and this govt is kicking the can down the road as long as possible.
      
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      December 27, 2020 12:07pm
      - Bob
        
        The Cuban government will be able to advise Adern and Robertson of how to proceed. Cuba has a long history of dealing with home grown economic depressions.
        
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        December 27, 2020 1:44pm
      - Wimpston peeders
        
        Cigars and drugs?
        
        We have meth and weed so quite similar i guess, pity we are a bit far from aussie to take a punt on getting there via tyre tubes
        
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        December 27, 2020 2:40pm
- artemisia
  
  Whatever does or does not happen it is a good idea for households to create a buffer against a downturn, increased tax and regs, the unforeseen including natural. Not wanting to sound like an extreme prepper but we all should already have a emergency kit and a plan.
  
  Not talking about bearing arms, but sensible financial and housing security for the household. Such as holding a cash buffer, pay down loans, add or upgrade security to home and work premises.
  
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  December 27, 2020 9:10am
  - coge
    
    Being on the correct side of the ledger is the best option. And that isn’t where most will tell you it is. The world is going through rapid change. A virtual revolution.
    
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    December 27, 2020 10:34am
- Sacha
  
  At our Family AGM on Christmas Day it was agreed that the next 2 years will see us all making significant adjustments to budget and life-style spending as soon as possible. There will be no holidays, or non-essential house expenditure. Properties that might be subject to a ‘bright-line’ test will be appropriately disposed of.
  The two senior management types expect that their continued employment will become a matter of negotiation with their International companies. They are paying down mortgages, not replacing the cars, & making plans for becoming Contractors if they become redundant, and moving out of the city now that they are mostly working from home and the kids are independent. There was some discussion about bit-coin.
  We will be living in interesting times –
  As for me, well I am an OAP, and invisible.
  
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  December 27, 2020 10:36am
  - artemisia
    
    There is no downside to thinking through scenarios and being prepared. Most people don’t.
    
    There is a reason for the cliché – hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
    
    (I’d be very surprised if even this government applied a new bright line test or CGT retrospectively.
    Probably worth hanging on to rentals for now, getting the tenants to pay for upgrades and later renting them to family (exempt from Residential Tenancies Act ridiculousness) if custard appears on the horizon. To coin a phrase.)
    
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    December 27, 2020 1:06pm
  - Bob
    
    OAP !! we are ‘old stale pale males( and probably females)’, as explained by the other knowledgeable child in government.
    
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    December 27, 2020 1:47pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Yes, I believe next year will be worse.
  The “govt.” (loose term) will try to mask it with borrowing.
  The smart ones will not have gone silly and spent all their money on holidays at home, Boxing Day “sales” etc.
  but will have squirreled it away for the inevitable rainy day.
  
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  December 27, 2020 11:45am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Cindy will initiate 1pm news conferences with Adrian Orr if she thinks it will improve her popularity…
  
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  December 27, 2020 11:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Well, isn’t he a little ray of sunshine!
  
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  December 27, 2020 5:10pm
JibberJabber

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/hg-wells-dystopic-vision-comes-alive-great-reset-agenda

The science of population control advanced by Huxley, Galton, Wells, Mackinder, Milner and Bertrand Russell was the basis for a new scientific priesthood and “world government” that would put a stop to the startling disequilibrium unleashed by the electric spread of sovereign nation states, protectionism and commitment to scientific and technological progress.

Fabians, Round Tablers and Coefficients: New Think Tanks Emerge
H.G Wells, Russell and other early social engineers of this new priesthood organized themselves in several interconnected think tanks known as 1) the Fabian Society of Sidney and Beatrice Webb which operated through the London School of Economics, 2) the Round Table Movement begun by the fortunes left to posterity by the racist diamond magnate Cecil Rhodes which also gave rise to the Rhodes Trust, and Rhodes Scholarship programs established to indoctrinate young talent in the halls of Oxford, and finally 3) the Co-Efficients Club of London. As noted by Georgetown Professor Carol Quigley, in his 1981 The Anglo-American Establishment, membership in all three organizations was virtually interchangeable.
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December 27, 2020 8:26am
- JibberJabber
  
  It is here useful to hold the words of Kissinger in mind who had channeled the spectre of Wells telling a group of technocrats in Evian, France in 1992:
  
  “Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.”
  
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  December 27, 2020 8:32am
Swifty

Toni Basil’s mother (and maternal grandfather) was an Anderson from Dunedin:

https://ethnicelebs.com/toni-basil

Easy Rider scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twBsqfymTYk

Hey Mickey:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aqLwHP4y6Q

Well, I never knew that.
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December 27, 2020 8:29am
info@cruzpro.com

Stuff article today: “While some chief executives took pay cuts during the year, their salary was still considerably more than the average worker, she said.”

Duhhhh? They should earn less than the average worker? What a stupid comment.
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December 27, 2020 8:31am
- Andy_C
  
  ..and more from “University of Otago business school’s Dr Helen Roberts, who tracks chief executive pay “ – what a vital service this muppet offers. let her make this gracious sacrifice first – saving the taxpayer what is likely to be a substantial sum..
  ..“She said some could have opted for zero compensation for the year, given the high level of compensation chief executives were paid in prior years.
  
  “These are very well-paid individuals, so they’ve got accumulated wealth, they have assets, they have everything they could possibly need.”
  
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  December 27, 2020 9:31am
  - oldfella
    
    Andy, anyone know how much Helen Roberts earns?
    Will any local journo ask her about her own status, and if she is following her own suggestions?
    
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    December 27, 2020 10:45am
Justitia

It takes a special kind of wicked to cry “Fire!” in a crowded theatre and then to lock all the escape routes. At the end of the 18th century the economist Malthus argued that human progress was unsustainable, “The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race” (An Essay on the Principle of Population, 1798). And yet Malthus also argued stridently against birth control because it was “unnatural”. Malthus’ dogmas were used by the British as justification for refusing to respond to the famines in Ireland and India. The starving had caused their own suffering by “breeding like rabbits”.

Fast forward to the present. As the global population growth rate peaked in the 1980s, neo-Malthusians looked to climate change as a replacement apocalypse. And a new breed of ecological economists argued that humans were overloading natural systems and causing them to collapse. Economic growth would have to end. Wealth would need to be transferred to the developing world by rich countries so that they did not need to industrialize. And the global population would need to be reduced by perhaps as much as two billion.

And yet, all the while technological solutions were readily available to deal with the problems environmentalists asserted regarding the impact of using fossil fuels such as coal and oil. Natural gas and nuclear power could greatly reduce carbon emissions. Environmentalists did their utmost however to confuse nuclear power generation with nuclear weapons in the public mind, as we have seen in New Zealand. And technologies such as genetic engineering were decried, in Malthus’ words, as “unnatural”.

So having shouted “Fire” climate catastrophists are now busy locking the escape routes and whipping up hysteria with claims that the world will end in twelve years time, in order to cower the public into submission and to condition them to readily accept their totalitarian agenda. This is where New Zealand is today, and this is how your children are being indoctrinated in State schools. Let’s make 2021 the year in which we began to push back against this nihilistic, anti-humanistic and scientifically illiterate ideology.
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December 27, 2020 8:35am
- Bob
  
  illiteracy and dependence are the foundation stones of COMMUNISM
  
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  December 27, 2020 9:21am
  - IC5000
    
    Literacy actually went up once the CCP came to victory in 1949. This is easily googled. Why lie about this? What doe you hope to achieve?
    
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    December 27, 2020 10:07am
    - Don Beckett
      
      It’s now 2020. Remember?
      
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      December 27, 2020 10:41am
      - IC5000
        
        Yes Don, 2020 the year Trumps dreams were crushed
        
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        December 27, 2020 10:46am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Yes, and in 2020 we can be confident that we know much about the evils of communism without resorting to extra pieces of bullshit.
        
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        December 27, 2020 10:46am
    - Master Mariner
      
      You’ve got to ask yourself why.
      
      Heres a hint. Mao sent all academics to the provinces to work in the rice fields.
      
      Well the ones that survived that is
      
      Kinda hoping we do the same.
      
      There is huge disconnect between academia and Blue collar which breed discontent and distrust etc.
      And is used to drive a “wedge” of untruths and fear mongering.
      
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      December 27, 2020 11:42am
  - Sacha
    
    Propagated illiteracy and dependence, and a cowed population . . . ..
    
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    December 27, 2020 10:43am
    - SB2
      
      I’m confident that if the Chinese masses felt like that the regime would be gone burger long, long ago.
      
      Unless opponents want to bring back the ancient Feudal order.
      
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      December 27, 2020 11:36am
      - giltee
        
        Do you think the Chinese masses have a choice in their leadership or are brave enough to fight the CCP. Recently we have Hong Kong and look what the CCP are doing. Remember Tiananmen Square or are you a denier. Perhaps you think the Holocaust never happened as well
        
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        December 27, 2020 1:41pm
      - Wimpston peeders
        
        Giltee, there is probably enough chinese rebels to overthrow the ccp but problem is they cant communicate or organise due to so many narks and informants, to be caught means going to a “re education”camp.
        If it was possible to mobilize them all at once then winnie the pooh and his cronies would be hanging in the town square.
        
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        December 27, 2020 2:44pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I remember when – and not very long ago it seems, I think in 2012 – there were dire predictions that the world would literally end on a certain date in the Mayan calendar, because they stopped adding days to the calendar after that time..
  
  Everyone except the poor deluded followers (poor because they were encouraged in some cases to sell all their possessions and give the money to their cult leaders) knew this was hilariously funny, and openly mocked the doomsdayers.
  
  Now, just 8 years later, seemingly rational people are again predicting the end of the world in just a few short years, with evidence and reasoning no less ridiculous than the Mayan calendar fiasco. But the reaction from people that clearly should know better is to bow down in obeisance and start getting their affairs in order. You couldn’t make it up.
  
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  December 27, 2020 2:28pm
Simon

Cindy is a nasty vicious vapid clown. Quite remarkable how easy it is to fool the general population
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December 27, 2020 8:38am
- Sacha
  
  The PM is a tool of the wealthy – Gates et al.
  
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  December 27, 2020 10:44am
  - IC5000
    
    > The PM is a tool of the wealthy
    
    Yes somehow gets the foolish masses to vote for her despite delivering nothing!
    
    Hmmm what other politician soon to be ex-president has followed the same blue print?
    
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    December 27, 2020 1:22pm
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      You mean the president elect?
      
      The current president of usa has achieved far more then cindy and biden has in their lives and he done so in 4 years.
      
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      December 27, 2020 2:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our EEO Commissioner recognises the coming problem, but curiously blames us for it – not the globalist elite (and our dear PM).

“It’s almost like there’s a wealth grab going on, all within a short span of time from everyone caring for each other to almost, now I want to get the most I can for myself.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123789794/nz-covid19-triumph-turns-tragedy-after-wealth-grab-says-equality-commissioner
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December 27, 2020 8:42am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Tell me more about this ‘globalist elite’. Just who are they?
  
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  December 27, 2020 8:48am
  - MFD
    
    They who shall be blamed…clearly.
    
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    December 27, 2020 9:35am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yeah, it’s a common anti-Semitic trope.
      
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      December 27, 2020 10:08am
      - rouppe
        
        No one mentioned antisemitism- except for you.
        
        Another diversionary tactic.
        
        For”global elite” think all those that are telling us how we must live. What cars we are allowed to own, what words we should not say, what food we should not eat
        
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        December 27, 2020 11:11am
      - IC5000
        
        > No one mentioned antisemitism- except for you.
        
        It’s a common shorthand. Don’t act so stupid.
        
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        December 27, 2020 1:23pm
      - rouppe
        
        @IC500 just because you say it doesn’t make it true.
        
        In the current context the globalist elite are generally the rich Left who have achieved positions of power and are now exercising control over the population.
        
        That used to happen by way of the gun. Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Stalin, Mussolini to name a few. All of those came from Socialist and Communist roots.
        
        Now it is done via the “rules based order” with the Left now exercising that power through for example the EU technocratic bodies, social media and soon Kamala Harris with the Green New Deal and the global Great Reset.
        
        Many dictators started with similar messages about “change for the better” and while in and of itself that message is fine, when it involves mobilising large numbers of dis-satisfied people against a minority, it takes on another form.
        
        In the 30’s the minority were the Jews. In nz now, the minority are the “landlords”. The language is the same. “They” have taken something from you. “They” are preventing you from achieving your potential.
        
        I intend to become financially mobile in the next couple of years. I can invest globally just as easily from Australia, the Cook Islands, or Panama as from here, and as the neo-fascists become more ascendant, I need to be more mobile. Another lesson from the 30’s
        
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        December 27, 2020 3:27pm
      - rouppe
        
        Looks like Damien Grant agrees that nz is heading towards an autocracy
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/123815591/sir-roger-douglas-great-experiment-is-finally-coming-to-an-end?cid=app-android
        
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        December 28, 2020 7:28am
  - Nickc2
    
    1. George Soros
    2. Nancy Pelosi
    Feel free to add as required.
    
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    December 27, 2020 9:40am
    - Nickc2
      
      If George Soros and Nancy Pelosi were to mate, what would happen? They would spawn a One World One Government Revolution!
      
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      December 27, 2020 11:13am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        One ugly baby.
        
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        December 27, 2020 11:52am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    If you had been doing due diligence you would have known by now: World Economic Forum, formerly NWO, an un-elected global baronetcy who have planned or unplanned our future lives.
    Their head Klaus Schwab in his recently published book sees us becoming “transhumans” appropriately fitted out with implants and Covid as part of the path to that. Effectively a vision of a world full of slaves. Some of them are wishing to have global population reduced to 300 million so that leaves plenty to ponder on. Cindy has signed up.
    
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    December 27, 2020 12:07pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy about it!
      K Schwab.
      
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      December 27, 2020 12:36pm
      - Bob
        
        The ultimate utopian system; owning nothing and best of all, everything is someone else’s responsibility, problem, worry. They will attend to all while we relax in utopia sipping our natural non genetically modified grass lattees as the cows look over the fence shaking their heads.
        
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        December 27, 2020 1:54pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The term has been in common International use for at least 10 years…
    
    Here’s the Financial Mirror 2011
    https://www.thefreelibrary.com/DAVOS+-+48+hours+among+the+global+elite-a0247590437
    
    and The Atlantic 2011
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/the-rise-of-the-new-global-elite/308343/
    
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    December 27, 2020 1:29pm
- Doctor Sigmund Freud
  
  I read the article.
  
  Clearly New Zealand needs more high quality immigrants and a ‘carrot and stick’ approach for the ‘locals’.
  
  Oh, and we need to disestablish the Equalities Minister as it is a department of over-paid bludgers with attitude ‘problems’.
  
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  December 27, 2020 8:56am
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    Unfortunatly common sense dosent prevail with most govts.
    
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    December 27, 2020 9:12am
- Gravelroad
  
  So having read this somewhat rambling and naive wishlist, the EEO Commissioner seems to be asking that everyone be paid equally no matter what they do – or don’t do.
  That’s communism.
  But there was/is always a better paid and protected elite within every communist system –
  and that reflects human nature.
  I guess this woman would be one of those in the elite category.
  
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  December 27, 2020 9:12am
- Bob
  
  I have seen nothing from the Covid dialog that requires people to sit on their butt and not make any effort to improve their personal situation, like employment education training etc.
  
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  December 27, 2020 9:23am
- Swifty
  
  Something occurred to me the other day when, again, I was listening to someone banging on about our wonderful ‘essential workers’.
  
  I argue there’s no such thing – or at least they exist in far, far fewer numbers than we are being told is the case.
  
  It was pretty early on in the year we were first introduced to this notion of ‘essential services’ and that anyone who worked in these services instantly became an ‘essential worker’ as though the country couldn’t get on without these particular individuals.
  
  I see the unions, pollies, the HRC etc doing it all year – that supermarket workers etc are ‘essential’ and deserve this and that. Well I say in the majority of cases we are being grossly misled. The ‘function’ of providing food and other goods vital to our health and well-being is essential I agree – but if Panjeet the shelf-stocker or Sally the checkout operator quit they would be replaced in hours – they, individually, are not in any way essential to the supermarket function.
  
  The closest we would get to ‘essential workers’ are those individuals with skills, experience and training unique in the country, work in an essential function and cannot be replaced easily or at all.
  
  Who would fit that definition? I’ll leave that to my fellow KBers to decide.
  
  In the meantime I urge us to laugh at anyone who tries to tell us that Sally or Panjeet are ‘essential’ and deserve things above and beyond the other millions of NZers who have worked their assess off this year.
  
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  December 27, 2020 9:55am
- Swifty
  
  Just what exactly is the role of the Equal Employment Opportunities Commissioner, Saunoamaali’i Dr Karanina Sumeo?
  
  Looking at her job title one might assume it is to highlight where in NZ she believes we have a lack of or unequal employment OPPORTUNITIES.
  
  But then we see her going much further than that and endlessly banging on about what she perceives are inequalities of OUTCOME e.g. her latest hobby horse the notion of an ethnic pay gap.
  
  Not happy with that, she now lectures us on the steps she believes we must take in order to address these apparent inequalities of outcome i.e. “Also on her wish list would be another look at a capital gains tax (and) revisiting the Welfare Expert Advisory Group recommendations….” and “We all talked about the recovery being the recovery for everyone. Well, that’s not happening now and unless there’s some significant intervention….” I see no mention from her about the government getting the hell out of business and just letting us get on with it, no, her only suggestion is MORE government, as if that’s going to work, snigger.
  
  So there we have it, a taxpayer-funded advocate for socialist policies. I wonder what she’d be on? $150,000-$200,000 a year? More?
  
  I wonder, also, when in making decisions on these matters, whether our politicians receive countervailing advice from elsewhere in the civil service, or are merely saturated in purely lefty counsel?
  
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  December 27, 2020 10:11am
  - Swifty
    
    Oh, and further, just what is the good doctor’s field?
    
    Is she a surgeon? No.
    
    A GP then? No.
    
    Ok, what about economics then? A PhD in Economics, which qualifies her to ejaculate on such matters of wealth taxes, CGTs, more government in markets etc? No, sorry.
    
    Ok, I give up, just what qualifies the good doctor to use that title?
    
    Her dissertation was in matters of land rights in Samoa and Tonga, through AUT.
    
    And her previous work experience? Ministry of Social Development, Ministry of Pacific Island Affairs, Tertiary Education Commission, and the Auckland District Health Board.
    
    So, New Zealanders can give her thoughts and ideas about as much weight as those of the local barber, taxi driver and car salesman?
    
    No! I would give the thoughts of those people much more weight. At least those people realise where a buck comes from and how governments wreck more jobs than they can ever create.
    
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    December 27, 2020 11:03am
    - Mike
      
      Really? You’re going with ‘not a real doctor’?
      
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      December 27, 2020 12:17pm
      - Swifty
        
        No, that was just a bit of mischievousness on my part….
        
        Should I have put a smiley face on it?
        
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        December 27, 2020 12:40pm
      - Jack5
        
        Mike, you are Milky?
        
        I vaguely recall that you once explained whether you were “Mike” or “Mikenmild” depended on how you logged on to Kiwiblog: direct or through the “Patreon” option.
        
        Apologies if I’m wrong.
        
        “Honorificised” – you saw the word first on Kiwiblog.
        
        PS: We seem to have a number of “Dr” honorificised posters on Kiwiblog (I’m 30 or 40 storeys below that rank). From your defence of relatively widespread use of the “Dr” honorific, can we assume you are one?
        
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        December 27, 2020 12:42pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Jack5 someone with a PhD calling themselves a Doctor is not an honorific. The letters PhD are post-nominals indicating a degree or other qualification/accreditation or professional membership.
        
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        December 27, 2020 2:35pm
      - Wimpston peeders
        
        Jack5 there are several similar accounts that are mike related and all similar writing styles, trolling, views and complaints. Same as sb2 i suspect theyre extra accounts to shill their own comments.
        
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        December 27, 2020 2:51pm
      - Mike
        
        Jack.
        Yes, I am mikenmildagain, and, no, I do not have a doctorate, but simply respect those who have made the considerable effort required to attain that distinction.
        
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        December 27, 2020 4:33pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Occupation: a talking mouth.
      Quals: self exaltation.
      
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      December 27, 2020 6:27pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Well said, Swifty.
    
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    December 27, 2020 11:45am
    - Nickc2
      
      Agree. What of notoriety did any ‘Paper Doctor (PhD)’ ever achieve in NZ in recent times? If in doubt as to ‘recent times’, ask David Garrett, he is a guru on Lawyer and Pollie speak.
      
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      December 27, 2020 12:39pm
  - MFD
    
    “Also on her wish list would be another look at a capital gains tax”
    
    Some wheat among the chaff then.
    
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    December 27, 2020 11:56am
    - Swifty
      
      Funnily enough, I could agree with you there.
      
      I have no objections to a CGT per se, and I would have much preferred that we had an intelligent and fullsome conversation about it, as part of a broad-based NZ taxation system and with other taxes lowered so that it’s introduction was revenue neutral – but of course Labour totally cocked that up and the calls from the left were all about destroying the evil rich and now we are told that it is unlikely to be revisited “for at least a generation” because it’s now a political death-trap.
      
      Thanks for nothing Labour and the Greens.
      
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      December 27, 2020 12:54pm
      - Wimpston peeders
        
        I would have no problems with a cgt if it reduced other taxes too, problem is that we know 100% that wouldnt happen and a cgt would become just another aditional tax.
        
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        December 27, 2020 2:54pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        NZ is taxed to the hilt already. Pooh Bah by overspending has created a massive problem for the future.
        
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        December 27, 2020 6:31pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      That’s been such a success where?
      
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      December 27, 2020 1:04pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      What does she know about tax and equity?
      The bright line test has already been extended beyond reasonable.
      
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      December 27, 2020 6:29pm
  - Paulus
    
    I would expect that the rate for whoever she is is in the senior (not top which is up about $450,000 plus) salary of the level, and that is now about $375,000.
    Remember the Public Service senior levels are now well over $200,000 a 13% rise during the last year according to figures published in the last days.
    
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    December 27, 2020 1:55pm
JibberJabber

Damien Grant with a dose of reality for the trust fund poverty peddlers that pass for politicians in this Ringling Bros. Circus Government.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/117392407/damien-grant-quit-whinging-millennials-boomers-built-your-houses-and-endured-actual-nuclear-war
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December 27, 2020 9:05am
- Colville
  
  Grant is one of very few people worth reading on Stuffed.
  
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  December 27, 2020 9:26am
  - IC5000
    
    I’d read him for an insight into the criminal mind.
    
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    December 27, 2020 10:09am
    - Jack5
      
      That would be because of Grant’s life experience, IC5000.
      
      https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/damien-grant-opens-about-his-time-prison-ck-215975
      
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      December 27, 2020 11:17am
    - MFD
      
      Yes…he does write with conviction.
      
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      December 27, 2020 11:29am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m going to assume he didn’t write the bullshit headline about ‘actual nuclear war’ though…
    
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    December 27, 2020 10:10am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, what a terrible mistake.
      It wasn’t the Boomers who lived through actual nuclear war…
      It was our parents, wasn’t it?
      We just live through the threat of Nuclear Winter.
      
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      December 27, 2020 10:20am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Boomers presided over the legislation that now makes it impossible to build affordable houses. As a boomer I find that disgraceful.
  
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  December 27, 2020 1:07pm
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    Confusing a few stale old politicians and councillors with an entire generation of ppl is an easy mistake to make…
    
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    December 27, 2020 2:55pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    As a Boomer myself, I don’t recall presiding over anything.
    
    As someone who thinks the current housing problem arises from an excess of demand over supply, I don’t recall any political party in the last 40 years going to the electorate campaigning to enable tens of thousands of new immigrants per year.
    
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    December 27, 2020 5:22pm
- giltee
  
  Interesting article and millennials need to pull in their spoilt privileged heads in abs stop criticising boomers who gave them what they have today. Boomers worked hard and sacrificed for what they had. I had 4 mortgages and to pay my bills had to sit down and plan how and when I could pay them. Often it was food on the table but the vege garden helped. Our furniture was junk and one by one we replaced it on hire purchase as we could afford it. Our car was old and I was always repairing them because paying a mechanic was out of the question. I’ve sacrificed all m life including being away from family working to better my future. Now I’m mortgage free and retire early next year with enough to live comfortably for the rest of my life. Hard as it is for millennials to understand but get out there, sacrifice and work as we boomers did and then you’ll have something to moan about.
  
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  December 27, 2020 2:42pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yep, I am a pre-boomer – the Silent Generation. Did the same, much as you did. Looking good until 2 yeard before retirement. Got ripped off $1/4mil. by my salesman whom I gave too much trust.
    Happily retired – small mortgage, wife works part time to keep me in the manner to which I have become accustomed.
    Great kids, all three have done – and are doing – very well, and help us when necessary.
    It’s a great life (apart from Spindy the liar) and am enjoying retirement in my 78th. year. 🙂
    
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    December 27, 2020 7:34pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  And then damien spews a crap word salad…
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/123815591/sir-roger-douglas-great-experiment-is-finally-coming-to-an-end
  
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  December 27, 2020 4:47pm
Monique Watson

Most corrupt president ever. Hope he enjoys Florida while he can. People are going to be lining up to put him behind bars. Fascinating how he commanded such loyalty right up until the end. The latest being the Treasury Secretary Mnuchin:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/12/26/trump-mnuchin-stimulus/
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December 27, 2020 9:17am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Sleepy Joe will never set foot in the White House.
  
  President Trump knows exactly what he’s doing.
  
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  December 27, 2020 10:07am
  - IC5000
    
    > Sleepy Joe will never set foot in the White House.
    
    I’m looking forward to the fumigation of the White House on 20th Jan and your utter humiliation as you continue to write delusional idiocy on DFPs inauguration post. It should be joyous start to the year
    
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    December 27, 2020 10:11am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      IC – these morons will just pivot to the next MAGA talking point – TRUMP 2024! There will be breathless excitement about who will be the VP candidate – the daughter-wife or one of the idiot sons.
      
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      December 27, 2020 10:41am
      - IC5000
        
        Trump will go into a slow cognitive decline evident to all as he makes the rounds on talk shows for the next 5 years. He won’t be in any state for a run in 2024.
        
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        December 27, 2020 11:05am
      - marcw
        
        So what are your cognitive predictions for Biden Snr. then IC500.5? Just so we can check your bias.
        
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        December 27, 2020 11:09am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I C you’ve got your sorry arse out of bed early this morning.
      
      Quiet night down at ‘The Wall’ was it?
      
      LOL!!
      
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      December 27, 2020 10:55am
      - IC5000
        
        It’s amusing that you think making homophobic comments actually offends me.
        
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        December 27, 2020 11:06am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        It’s even more amusing to me you think I’m your grandmother 😀
        
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        December 27, 2020 11:19am
      - IC5000
        
        > It’s even more amusing to me you think I’m your grandmother
        
        You’re a Trump supporter. It would be charitable to say you offer no concessions to reality.
        
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        December 27, 2020 12:31pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Whilst I have no real wish to continue this exchange IC, I think it’s obvious to most that you only ever log in here to GD, to either post shit or abuse others.
        Perhaps if you could look to make a few meaningful and positive contributions, like myself and many others do, you wouldn’t find all your comments downticked to oblivion.
        
        Just saying.
        
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        December 27, 2020 1:25pm
      - IC5000
        
        That’s the life of a troll Maggie. If you can’t take as good as you give then look in the mirror and ask yourself if you’re really up to it anymore.
        
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        December 27, 2020 2:28pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Don’t worry about me IC……I can handle it.
        
        What you should be focusing on, is finding treatment for that little known disorder ‘Gerontophilia’ 😀
        
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        December 27, 2020 5:33pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Fascinated why you think this is the end? Biden’s term will merely be a continuation of the war with roles reversed.
  
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  December 27, 2020 1:09pm
  - giltee
    
    As is with the polys here in NZ. Ja-cinder came in with high left wing ideals and is looking more centre-left every day. The only difference with her is she’s achieved nothing. Over the next 3 years she’ll be desperate to hold onto the swing Nat voters but Labour will end up like the Clarke government. Kicked out for the Nats and Act to fix her mess. You only have to look at all the working groups that gave her advice, eg the working group proposals for welfare reform and I can’t see the 40+ suggestions being implemented any time soon. I’m hopeful they’ll be out next elections because the longer they’re in the more damage she’ll do but I’m not holding my breath.
    
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    December 27, 2020 2:55pm
- mandk
  
  How has Trump enriched himself through politics? Chapter and verse please.
  
  Biden, on the other hand, who has been a political trougher all his adult life, is worth many, many millions, and so is his venal son.
  
  Care to explain how the Bidens made all that money? It wasn’t from honest toil.
  
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  December 27, 2020 1:28pm
  - Mike
    
    If you don’t think Trumpy has made millions from the presidency, mainly through business through his hotels, you haven’t been paying attention.
    
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    December 27, 2020 4:35pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      What evidence do you have to justify your serious allegations?
      
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      December 27, 2020 6:34pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ballrooms-candles-and-luxury-cottages-during-trumps-term-millions-of-government-and-gop-dollars-have-flowed-to-his-propertiesmar-a-lago-charged-the-government-3-apiece-for-glasses-of-water-for-trump-and-the-japanese-leader/2020/10/27/186f20a2-1469-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html
        
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        December 27, 2020 6:59pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Hahahaha MMA – you quote the WAPO? You can’t be serious.
        
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        December 27, 2020 7:36pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Hey trump, monique thinks youre dumb…
  
  Yea your rants as effective as that pathetic drink drive add.
  
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  December 27, 2020 2:57pm
Ruahine

Damien Grant has written an excellent article. I am going to send it to a couple of bright young things that I know. I think I will subtitle it Reality.
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December 27, 2020 9:43am
- Philview
  
  I went in and had a look. I do wonder if the current geopolitics is about to take the shine off Jacinda’s plans. China are reported to be sending 400 trawlers down to fish in Australian territorial waters. Australia aren’t going to roll over and let them and will surely send their navy to stop this happening. Jacinda may sit on a fence as she always does and say it is Australia’s problem but I doubt such an approach would sit well with the NZ public.
  
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  December 27, 2020 3:42pm
Maggie Pie

Early Mass at St John’s this morning. Incredibly uplifting.
Decided not to wait for Confession, the queue was about 50 long.
Ran into one of the girls from tennis. She was there with her hubby. He was telling me that his his mum has a friend who knows Lindsay Freer. Anyway, word of the bird is, that Pope Francis intends stepping down next year.

You heard it here first.
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December 27, 2020 10:18am
- RJ
  
  Was reading last week there were rumours he would stand down next year.
  
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  December 27, 2020 10:27am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    But you heard if from Maggie first, right? A remote Auckland parish will have the most direct link to the Vatican rumour mill.
    
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    December 27, 2020 10:45am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Do you know Lindsay then?
    
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    December 27, 2020 10:57am
    - RJ
      
      Lol, some European paper link I got sent, not sure what it had to do but it also contained a story about demands for someone else to resign in the church over their cover up of sexual abuse.
      
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      December 27, 2020 11:19am
      - Jack5
        
        Maggie Pie’s “Decided not to wait for Confession, the queue was about 50 long.”
        
        For those of us who aren’t Doolans, can Maggie please explain: is a big queue good (priest rushed, belting through the process – “well yes, that will be okay, next please”), or does it cause it too much mental sweat for the queuing penitents?
        
        Isn’t “queue” one of English’s most cumbersome words for spelling? Here’s a Maori word for it, “rārangi”, and it’s even got a macron. Vocabulary-poor Maori uses this word for heaps of things, right down to a computer menu. Try it out when Mongrel Mobsters are crowding McDonald’s: “Get back in the rārangi bro.”
        
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        December 27, 2020 12:30pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, the rumour is he’s going to open a $2.00 shop.
  
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  December 27, 2020 11:28am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We desperately need one in Remuera.
    
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    December 27, 2020 11:44am
    - RJ
      
      Don’t you have creepy old men there, or do they just go to St Luke’s?
      
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      December 27, 2020 11:49am
    - Nickc2
      
      Practice your ‘Hail Marys’ Maggie and don’t forget to put some money in the plate and go easy on the holy water, we are under restrictions. Your wish may come true.
      
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      December 27, 2020 11:50am
      - giltee
        
        If they had decent wine and bikkies I’d go with you Maggie. Say a good Otago Pinot Noir and some wine biscuits.
        
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        December 27, 2020 2:59pm
  - MFD
    
    …and join hell’s angel’s motorcycle gang.
    
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    December 27, 2020 11:50am
    - Nickc2
      
      Sorry MFD, I can’t think of anything to say to that one at the moment.
      
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      December 27, 2020 12:23pm
      - MFD
        
        I can quote you chapter ( and verse).
        
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        December 27, 2020 4:35pm
- mandk
  
  Excellent news. Catholics need a pope who is not an apostate.
  
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  December 27, 2020 1:31pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Bugger, im sure hes touched alot of ppls hearts over the years… [Deleted – and a warning. Don’t make unfounded accusations like that here, even in “jest”. Mod.]
  
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  December 27, 2020 2:58pm
- MFD
  
  “Decided not to wait for Confession”
  
  Bad call.
  
  My mate from down the pub has a sister who knows the wife of the bloke that mows the Pope’s lawn and apparently the Pope is mightily pissed off that you spilled the beans re his plans to throw in the towel.
  
  Time to repent.
  
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  December 27, 2020 3:08pm
marcw

An unfortunate email from Dick Smith in my inbox yesterday, Subject line:
Extra 15% OFF Top Cooling Deals for Boxing Day!

The irony.
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December 27, 2020 10:21am
marcw

Current temperature in Christchurch is 9.5°C.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/431827/summer-outlook-warmer-than-average-temperatures-forecast
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-nz-could-be-in-for-another-unusually-hot-summer/JOGJ5UM7REDIOEC4DJ4GQSN5QQ/
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123550477/new-zealand-facing-hot-humid-summer–with-a-heightened-risk-of-cyclones

We could save a lot of taxpayer spending if NIWA was instructed to stick to recording and reporting the real climate data, rather than their constant shilling of imminent global warming catastrophes.
To be fair, $tuff is partly correct – we have had a lot of humidity (18mm so far today).
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December 27, 2020 10:38am
- RJ
  
  Don’t worry, there is snow on the hills behind us which means the fake media will declare this one of our hottest summers on record.
  
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  December 27, 2020 10:39am
  - rockape
    
    Same around me in Wakefield. Woke up to snow on hills above 3000 ft
    
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    December 27, 2020 11:30am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s outrageous, this use of data to provide useful predictions for growing seasons, transport, etc.
  Where is Ken Ring when we need him? He’d be much cheaper than these pesky scientists and their obscure methods.
  
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  December 27, 2020 10:43am
  - marcw
    
    I agree, definitely cheaper, without an agenda to spread the AGW bs, and funnily enough, more likely to be correct than NIWA.
    
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    December 27, 2020 11:04am
    - Mike
      
      Well, he did predict the earthquakes, didn’t he?
      
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      December 27, 2020 11:09am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    NIWA’s long term predictions have always been useful guides that the complete opposite will happen and be blamed on climate change.
    
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    December 27, 2020 1:12pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Snow on the hills here, hail twice at home yesterday. Even put the fire on yesterday arvo.
  
  Just a typical southland summer, we usually get a few frosts around the january full moon each year aswell.
  
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  December 27, 2020 11:29am
  - chukar
    
    Some snow in Marlborough too.
    
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    December 27, 2020 1:09pm
- giltee
  
  NIWA’s tidal records make interesting reading. Tides have been around 300mm higher than today on numerous years since records began. 1950 was one but can’t remember the others.
  https://hwe.niwa.co.nz/search/summary/Startdate/13-12-2010/Enddate/13-12-2018/Regions/all/Hazards/all/Impacts/all/Keywords/none/numberOfEvents/20/page/1
  
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  December 27, 2020 3:04pm
Maggie Pie

Thort this was worth sharing with the group….

My partner was speaking to a Washington based gun collector he deals with last night. He was telling him that the Nashville bombing completely took out the Sungard Data Center. And that Silver Lake, owner of Sungard, recently bought Solar Winds, which was behind the months long hack that infiltrated all the US governments networks and about 18,000+ companies.

The plot thickens as they say.
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December 27, 2020 10:49am
- RJ
  
  Sunguard is a few streets away. The target seems to be the at&t building. What was in that building is anyone’s guess it does seem to off taken out one of the firstnet cellular switches.
  
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  December 27, 2020 10:57am
- SB2
  
  MP. shall we begin by narrowing it down to a “gunpowder plot” by certain Qanon supporters and Trump’s Proud Boys ?
  
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  December 27, 2020 11:50am
Greg Ettridge

I wondered about the warnings being broadcast before explosion, they were after the data centre with minimal personal injuries.
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December 27, 2020 11:02am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner was just saying the Silver Lake is a huge investment firm with questionable ties to Chynaa, They own Sungard Data Systems.
  
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  December 27, 2020 11:16am
  - SB2
    
    According to this link it is now owned by US company FIS sytems ,
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIS_(company)
    
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    December 27, 2020 12:03pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Stephy,
      FIS (formerly SunGard Data Systems). FIS™, now RIMES Technologies.
      https://www.rimes.com/integration/fis/
      
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      December 27, 2020 12:48pm
- RJ
  
  It would be interesting to know if that at&t building was part of the nsa relationship
  
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  December 27, 2020 11:33am
oldfella

Remember Amnesty International, the famous human-rights group, and all the great work they used to do on behalf of political prisoners and others who campaigned for free speech and justice? How times have changed…
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“You know you are in the Upside Down when a famous human-rights organisation petitions your government to disenfranchise you and members of your group, to stop you from engaging in peaceful actions and voicing your concerns and opinions.
“This is what Amnesty did in Ireland, when it joined our power-drunk trans lobby, along with 26 other publicly funded NGOs, to make this extraordinary demand in an open letter: ‘We call on media, and politicians to no longer provide legitimate representation for those that share bigoted beliefs.’
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/17/why-does-amnesty-want-to-silence-women-like-me/
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December 27, 2020 11:23am
- Jack5
  
  Amnesty is another once-great organisation eroded rom within by political activism.
  
  The local branch, Amnesty International Aoteroa New Zealand Inc, in its latest filed report, for the year ended December 31, 2019, shows:
  
  – revenue for the 12 months at $2,930,837, is down 5.6 per cent on the 2018 year;
  
  – expenses totalled $2,985,872.
  
  – the over-all deficit or loss of $23,008.
  
  – of expenses, $1,347,291 was pay to staff.
  
  – other expenses not in the $1,347,291, include $1,083,580 on fund-raising costs.
  
  – these fund-raising costs include $747,047 on, “Recruitment of new donors (incl fundraisers wages).”
  
  – among expenses listed is $15,676 on activism,
  
  – of the 2019 revenue, $2,930,837 came from donations, $111,000 from grants and $78,513 from legacies and bequests.
  
  On the favourable side, Amnesty NZ’s auditor reports the organisation “has good cash reserves and holds no bank debt.”
  
  It does, however, have a loan from Amnesty International in the UK of $990,345, and a loan from “Amnesty International, Schweizer Sektion” in Switzerland of $300.000.
  
  The world picture: – some of the crap that was going on in the international Amnesty organisation:
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48431652
  
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  December 27, 2020 12:14pm
Alan Wilkinson

Shame we don’t have this kind of journalism:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/26/day-covid-shook-faith-television-news/
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December 27, 2020 11:29am
Jack5

Colonialists, Pakeha, and Western civilisation caused global warming: Stuff’s “Pou Tiaki” editor Carmen Parahi unveils the truth in Stuffed:

Time, as we know it, is a Western European construct. In part, it helps us with productivity but at a heavy cost. Three centuries of industry-driven work hours has created marvellous innovation as well as large amounts of destructive carbon, warming our planet to create the global climate crisis.

Parahi seems to reject “clock time” and the Gregorian calendar.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300189932/2020-the-year-we-challenged-systemic-racism-in-aotearoa-and-around-the-world

Help Stuff so it can help Parahi stop Western time and the Western calendar from destroying the planet.
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December 27, 2020 11:32am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Is this a subtle call for “island time” like they do in the pacific islands?
  
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  December 27, 2020 12:11pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Ban the Wheel.
  The Stone Age didn’t end because we ran out of Stones.
  
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  December 27, 2020 12:44pm
  - Bob
    
    We haven’t run out of stones, try driving along any of our sealed roads. I’v’e had smoother rides across the river bed at the back of the farm.
    
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    December 27, 2020 2:02pm
- MFD
  
  Typed on a device with a clock speed of 3 MHz and powered by the electrical network running at 50 Hz. Time for her to step away from the keyboard and have a bit of a think.
  
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  December 27, 2020 1:24pm
  - Cobolt24
    
    GHz not MHz you mean. Processors around 3 MHz came out around the mid 70s and by the 80s were used for budget systems
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8085
    
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    December 27, 2020 8:55pm
    - MFD
      
      Too much time spent faffing around with 16 MHz microcontrollers.
      
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      December 27, 2020 10:38pm
fightingtemeraire

All Hail to Jacinda the Miracle Worker!!!!

Weeks after declaring a Climate Emergency in NZ we have temperatures akin to those in July in the S Is,
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December 27, 2020 11:36am
- JackRabbit
  
  For global warming it is certainly quite cold. And you can’t say it is climate change. It has hailed and snowed on Christmas day in the South Island in the middle of last century, before “global warming” / “climate change” / “Sky is falling”.
  
  I personally recall hail early on Christmas day in the 1960’s in mid Canterbury. (100m above sea level).
  
  And:
  1964: “In contrast, Christmas Day in the south and Boxing Day further north were marred by the passage of a cold front with unseasonably cool temperatures. Snow fell on the ranges of both islands and was reported down to 1600 ft in Southland and Otago.”
  
  http://www.localweather.net.nz/smf/index.php?topic=8259.0;imode
  
  November 1967:
  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1745-7939.1970.tb00614.x
  
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  December 27, 2020 12:26pm
  - greybeard
    
    I recall it snowing just after Christmas in the late 70s at Wanaka. It was around our tent at the lakeside camping ground.
    
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    December 27, 2020 12:56pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Christmas 1972 it snowed in Bluff.
    
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    December 27, 2020 2:00pm
SB2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Here Trump is having a good whinge binge over Christmas,

https://twitter.com/David_Boaz/status/1342843359342297089
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December 27, 2020 11:39am
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Tsk, tsk, tsk…
  
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  December 27, 2020 11:41am
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    You forgot to use your other account to spruik/ shill your own comment lol.
    
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    December 27, 2020 12:12pm
Maggie Pie

Just checked ‘My Lotto’…….Not a Winning Ticket

Yet i just hear where a ticketholder in Oamaru has won the 18 mill.

Honestly, what possible good is it to anyone down there?
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December 27, 2020 11:40am
- RJ
  
  Lots, unlike in Auckland it will buy more than just one house and a coffee
  
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  December 27, 2020 11:43am
  - Bob
    
    Probably buy Oamaru.
    
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    December 27, 2020 2:03pm
- marcw
  
  They will be able to move to Remmers Maggie – and only need a small mortgage. Could be new neighbors for you, and tennis club members.
  
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  December 27, 2020 11:57am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Typical of those thst make out theyre “rich” and in reality they live paycheque to paycheque. Your probably right mags, someone from oamaru probably dosent need it as much as most snobby jaffas 🙂
  
  Could probably buy 30 houses and still have enough to live off for the rest of their lives.
  
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  December 27, 2020 12:16pm
Monique Watson

I don’t think Trump knows what he is doing. He’s doing what has worked before but would only work in an alternate universe now. And a couple of those pardons including for Manafort though alas not for the Blackwater pardons should get him doing jail time. He won’t get near a sandwich at Republican functions let alone a run in 2024.
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December 27, 2020 11:45am
- Mike
  
  Sorry Monique, but the GOP is fully the Party of Trump. They worship their orange overlord with a faith and passion previously reserved for Jesus. Trump is the Republican Party for the foreseeable future.
  
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  December 27, 2020 12:22pm
  - Inandout
    
    Mike, you mean like our passionate Jacinda lovers?
    
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    December 27, 2020 2:06pm
    - Mike
      
      Popular as she is, Trump is in another class so far as milking the rubes.
      
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      December 27, 2020 5:26pm
      - Inandout
        
        Yes Mike, popular leaders invariably get re-elected don’t they?
        
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        December 27, 2020 5:48pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    He was never part of the Republican Party proper. It was a hostile takeover by a renegade. He first contemplated standing for Prez as an independent. He turned his back on Pence last week and Pence is already being touted as a candidate 2024.
    As soon as Twitter cancels his account midday January 20th there is no more Donald Trump. That’s why he is sitting on the bill at Mar-a-Lago. He’s getting one final dig at Big Tech which will backfire nicely. There are no more friends of Trump in Congress other than Graham and some inconsequential Senators who missed when the shark was jumped.
    
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    December 27, 2020 4:33pm
    - Mike
      
      Wish I could agree, but the Trump cult has a large and devoted membership. He’ll be in politics so long as they keep sending him millions of dollars.
      
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      December 27, 2020 5:58pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      We are yet to see the beans spilt on Trump, I think it will be by the trailer load as his ‘allies’ swim away from the prospective prison time. I think he was nowhere careful enough, that the Presidency went to his head and he thought he could walk on water into eternity.
      
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      December 27, 2020 8:40pm
JibberJabber

https://www.debtclock.nz/
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December 27, 2020 12:02pm
- IC5000
  
  https://debtclock.com.au/
  
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  December 27, 2020 1:13pm
- SB2
  
  US debt $21 trillion dollars
  
  https://debtclock.com.au/us/
  
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  December 27, 2020 4:50pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Mostly caused by Obama.
    
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    December 27, 2020 7:41pm
    - SB2
      
      Really! And what did Trump do to reverse it?
      
      Barack Obama (2009-2017): Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise ($8.6 trillion) but was fifth in terms of percentage: 74%. Obama fought the Great Recession with an $831 billion economic stimulus package and added $858 billion through tax cuts
      
      https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
      
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      December 27, 2020 8:13pm
      - Cobolt24
        
        You measure as a percentage of GDP:
        https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp
        
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        December 27, 2020 8:43pm
septic skeptic

I think the glowing praise of Kane Williamson by the commentary team is getting over the top. After all, he is not Jacinda Ardern!
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December 27, 2020 12:16pm
plc

Why does Craig McMillen wear a flat cap while commentating?
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December 27, 2020 1:33pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Because only 3 ppl tune in to watch that crap?
  
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  December 27, 2020 3:01pm
  - Mike
    
    The Spark coverage and commentary has been very good.
    
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    December 27, 2020 5:27pm
    - greybeard
      
      Peter Williams on Magic Talk is excellent.
      
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      December 27, 2020 5:52pm
      - Mike
        
        Yes, the radio commentary has been good, too.
        
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        December 27, 2020 5:55pm
pdm

Just got home from a few hours work and watching the Pakis’ for the first time this series. Does anyone else think their left arm quick Shaheen chucks it?

Inv are you around.
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December 27, 2020 2:07pm
Jack5

Dead at 98: the Soviet spy and Western traitor George Blake.

Born George Behar in the Netherlands,he became a young Dutch resistance fighter, then escaped to Britain where he served in the Royal Navy before joining British intelligence.

Taken prisoner by the Communists in the Korean War, Blake was “turned”, and, according to the Telegraph, the SIS considered he did more damage to Western intelligence than traitor Kim Philby did.

Exposed by a Polish defector and imprisoned in London, Blake escaped from Wormwood Scrubs prison, and ultimately reached Moscow. Helping in the escape, according to the Telegraph, were two arrested anti-nuclear protesters and other helpers financed by the film director Tony Richardson.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55452313
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December 27, 2020 2:25pm
- Mike
  
  His 42-year sentence was rumoured to be one year for each agent he had betrayed.
  
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  December 27, 2020 5:29pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack, British Intelligence seemed to be a haven for traitors post WW2. I read Philby was trusted with the most sensitive secrets and spent years giving the Russians mountains of information. Amazing how the worst ones seemed to escape to Russia.
  
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  December 27, 2020 5:58pm
rouppe

Remember the doom and gloom about the Rena? It was going to be the end of life in the region.

Now…

if you didn’t know the kelp was sitting atop of steel, you could almost mistake it for any other reef.
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December 27, 2020 2:35pm
- Mike
  
  It’s almost as if there wasn’t a hugely expensive clean-up operation.
  
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  December 27, 2020 5:30pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Quite the contrary Rouppe.
  
  First hand information is there are 40 x 40ft long containers of copper nitrate sitting on seafloor.
  It astounds me it is still allowed to be there.
  Google copper nitrate in IMDG code and one of the most toxic Marine pollutants known.
  Read the article and shook my head.
  Reason they are still there is NZ was nit a signatory to the “wreck removal convention”.
  Sure was after Rena in short time.
  Was thinking about obtaining cargo Manifest out of interest what else was onboard.
  Most are sitting on seabed as and under water Pinnacle ( ie steep sides).
  
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  December 27, 2020 6:08pm
Maggie Pie

It just dropped about 4.5 degrees F outside, so came in to put some clothes on and watch the News.
Incredible to hear ‘Judge Janine Piro’ herself actually refer to the so-called President-elect as being ….. “HEAD OF THE BIDEN CRIME FAMILY”

So what does that tell you?
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December 27, 2020 3:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She doesn’t pull any punches
  
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  December 27, 2020 3:45pm
  - Mike
    
    She’s a loon….
    
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    December 27, 2020 4:39pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Coming from a loon. Steve, don’t feed the trolls
      
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      December 27, 2020 6:25pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Whoopsie – meant to say ‘C’
  
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  December 27, 2020 3:48pm
  - Nickc2
    
    about time, you preceded my response.
    
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    December 27, 2020 8:49pm
- SB2
  
  So what does that tell you?
  
  She’s a third rate celebrity judge.
  
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  December 27, 2020 4:46pm
  - Inandout
    
    SB2, and Joe is a third rate (47 years at the trough) politician.
    
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    December 27, 2020 6:00pm
    - RJ
      
      Ignore him, he doesn’t like and puts down successful woman. She has done in her life than he can dream of , much respect for what she did for domestic abuse
      
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      December 27, 2020 6:23pm
I remember when

Don’t know how much more of this ‘Global Warming’ I can take.
Looking forward to it being 2 degrees colder!
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December 27, 2020 3:44pm
Fletch

Trump was right about the UV light.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/tel-aviv-research-999-percent-of-covid-19-germs-dead-in-30-seconds-with-uv-leds-653315
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December 27, 2020 4:28pm
- Mike
  
  How do they get the light ‘inside the body’ like Trumpy wanted?
  
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  December 27, 2020 5:52pm
  - Alan1930
    
    Heads you win, tails you lose …
    
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    December 27, 2020 7:37pm
  - theoldbloke
    
    Do some research. They are introducing light thru the skin.
    Not new technology at all. (puting light thru skin).
    
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    December 27, 2020 10:34pm
Maggie Pie

A ‘twitter bestie’ tweets…..

“Arrest Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters NOW!!”

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1343027900740734976
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December 27, 2020 5:03pm
- Mike
  
  For what?
  
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  December 27, 2020 5:31pm
Philview

In the last couple of weeks while Christmas shopping I have been told many times that products are stuck on a ship somewhere. This indicates a fairly significant problem with inward freight and I am surprised this isn’t getting more news coverage.
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December 27, 2020 5:28pm
- RJ
  
  Got plenty of news. Been in print radio and tv
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/433093/auckland-port-delays-prompt-dinghy-protest-for-wine
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018775798/auckland-port-delays-see-big-freight-ship-diverted-to-northport
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123751221/union-claims-ports-of-auckland-being-too-picky-over-port-workers
  
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  December 27, 2020 5:43pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Hi Phil. it is. just not in NZ.
  Lot of vessels diverting and not coming here.
  Google shipping supply chains.
  All the information you want.
  Have previously mentioned this 6 months ago.
  For a country to have 3 boats on its coat of arms and relies on shipping its a disgrace.
  Heads up.
  its going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
  Also container issues. We need more empty ones in NZ as we export TEU ( loaded) than import ( Wahrehouse shit from Asia).
  And lack of crew changes and free travel unimpeded for seafarers.
  
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  December 27, 2020 6:15pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Hi Phil, A couple from good site.
  On going and very little news in NZ
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  https://gcaptain.com/overworked-seafarers-face-systematic-failures-report/
  
  https://gcaptain.com/bottlenecks-wear-down-world-economys-fleet-of-container-ships/
  
  Above article, Too get a container from China to europe has trippled to 4400 USD.
  
  Some of my previous posts regarding low value items in stores will no longer be cost effective.
  
  Supply chains are severly broken. Its strill a while left and is taking longer than i first expected all the same.
  
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  December 28, 2020 12:42am
RJ

Breaking:
@WSMV
Investigates has confirmed FBI agents spent the days at another location today besides searching the home of Anthony Warner, pursuing tips that he was paranoid about 5g spying on Americans. The latest coming up tonight at 10:00 on
@WSMV

https://twitter.com/JFinleyreports/status/1343038998848090112
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December 27, 2020 6:21pm
RJ

CCP Is Taking Over Other Nations That Once Free—Se Hoon Kim On The Captive Nations of China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcBQ148KPsg&feature=emb_logo
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December 27, 2020 6:30pm
Maggie Pie

And I’ll tell you someone else that is really starting to give us the shits….

Geraldo Rivera.
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December 27, 2020 7:13pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  soz……meant to link
  
  https://twitter.com/GeraldoRivera/status/1343057577425448960
  
  – backstabbing little JewRican 🙁
  
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  December 27, 2020 7:25pm
  - SB2
    
    Only Jews backstab and why is it relevant?
    
    Maybe this?
    
    Stab-in-the-back myth
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth
    
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    December 27, 2020 8:25pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      It’s how turncoat Geraldo describes HIMSELF, silly….in his own Twitter bio.
      
      Don’t you ever read anything?
      
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      December 27, 2020 8:55pm
      - SB2
        
        Whatever The reference has apparently been deleted but refers to the fact his mother was Catholic Puerto Rican and father of Russian Jewish descent.
        
        He was raised a Jew .
        
        However we can agree with him on Trump losing ,
        
        “..Shit happens. However since he has behaved like an entitled frat boy”
        
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        December 27, 2020 9:50pm
Monique Watson

Fucking classic. Man shoots his brother in Law wearing a Santa Claus beard and a a Trump mask in neighboring Sonoma County. Might have been an argument about politics. Check out how old these geezers are:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252382
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December 27, 2020 7:44pm
SB2

A slavish and servile Trump supporter’s take on US current events,

Dinesh D’Souza
@DineshDSouza
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12h
If I were
@realDonaldTrump
and I genuinely believed the vote counting machines were rigged, I would not tweet out appeals to SCOTUS and the DOJ. I’d have the machines seized & the fraud exposed, so that it is impossible for the courts, the DOJ and the GOP to ignore
@SidneyPowell1
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