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Here’s an example of Coulters law in action: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/12/man-arrested-and-charged-after-rotorua-hot-pools-attack.html

It was reported earlier this week that an Asian fellow (has lived in NZ for a number of years) and his friends were brutally assaulted at Rotorua swimming spot. No description of the multiple attackers was given.

Coulter’s Law says that the longer it takes for the description to be given, the greater the probability that the perpetrators are not white.

You just know that if the attackers were white, this would be called a racially motivated attack and used as an example as to why we need hate crime laws.
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December 24, 2020 8:06am
- CJames
  
  The same happened with the gun robbery by teenagers in Auckland. Though in that, the media slipped up. The photo of the AOS having arrested them at Morningside Station showed that they were definitely not white.
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:05am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Almost as bad, the headline assumes xe’s gender!!
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:38am
- MFD
  
  “Coulter’s Law says that the longer it takes for the description to be given, the greater the probability that the perpetrators are not white.”
  
  …and that is how we know that “Coulter’s Law” is horseshit.
  
  Anyone with a modicum of reasoning ability and a passing familiarity with statistics and an appreciation of causality will twig that probability applied to the outcome of an event that has already happened is nonsensical. The idea that waiting to report the race of the alleged attackers can change that race is swivel-eyed lunacy.
  
  The probability is in your heads.
  
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  December 24, 2020 2:11pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Except that is not the proposition. It is that woke media will avoid identifying the race of non-white offenders for as long as possible.
    
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    December 24, 2020 4:45pm
    - MFD
      
      It didn’t take long for this “law” (which I quoted verbatim) to be downgraded to a “proposition”, did it?
      
      Let’s pretend that you are correct and examine whether the “proposition” stands up to scrutiny; the media can clearly avoid identifying the race of any offender (once the courts have convicted) entirely so any identification at any time post conviction voids your proposition.
      
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      December 24, 2020 5:26pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Publication of name or photograph often suffices to identify non-white. Reporting the case outcome usually involves both. Other sources can render further delay pointless at any time. Different media have differing degrees of wokeness.
        
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        December 24, 2020 6:25pm
    - giltee
      
      Alan and the media don’t identify the race of the attackers any more because it’s claimed to be racist or racial bias or profiling
      
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      December 24, 2020 11:03pm
  - JJ56
    
    MFD, tell that to Schrödinger’s Cat.
    
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    December 24, 2020 7:08pm
    - MFD
      
      Not possible, sorry. The cat, neither white nor non-white, was let out of the box by Maxwell’s demon and chased and killed by Pavlov’s dog. Three days later it rose from the dead and was adopted by the Gibbs family who, paradoxically, prevented it from starting a whole new religion.
      
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      December 24, 2020 11:44pm
Moderhated

JP on point again, satire meet reality and suprised youtube hasnt censored him yet.

https://youtu.be/suCeNgAzQhA

https://youtu.be/erAYITZRdJk

[Mod. Note: Any further posts using this name will be summarily deleted. This will happen until you get some attitude adjustment, and show some civility towards the (volunteer) moderators. An apology wouldn’t go amiss either, but I won’t hold my breath. ]
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December 24, 2020 8:09am
- ISeeRed
  
  Looks like at least one humour-impaired media-controlled muppet downticked you. Just proves JP’s point.
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:11am
- Moderhated
  
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  mods (i suspect only 1 with a grudge doing it) .. respect .. bias …
  
  Your suspicion is wrong. Your beef is with DPF, so complain to him. You can always take your brand of wit and wisdom someplace else ]
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:39am
  - giltee
    
    Labour trolls just love to provoke. ???
    
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    December 24, 2020 11:06pm
Jade Warrior

I know it’s my fault for logging onto Stuff in the first place but this article has done a good job at spoiling the start of my day:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/123805008/bilingual-road-signs-in-aotearoa-new-zealand-would-tell-us-where-we-are-as-a-nation

Two issues immediately come to mind here. Firstly, if there are place names in New Zealand that don’t have a Maori equivalent, will they be forced to choose a Maori name, and if not, who will be responsible for picking such a name?

But more interestingly, if indeed our road signs are to be truly bilingual, does this mean that all Maori place names will have to take an English equivalent? On reading the article I get the feeling that the answer to this one is no. The real aim of the idea is to simply promote Maori place names by stealth.

I actually don’t have a problem with bilingual road signs per se, it’s just that I want to see a mutuality of respect for both cultures. If we’re going to have Maori titles for every town and city on our road signs, I’d like there to be English equivalents too.
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December 24, 2020 8:10am
- Exclamation Mark
  
  I have a problem with the bilingual road signs: it is virtue signaling horseshit that will cost tax payers millions.
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:42am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And confuse drivers, thus leading to an increase in crashes.
    
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    December 24, 2020 9:51am
    - Nickc2
      
      If you thought some road and place names sounded strange (synthesized voice) on your vehicle GPS, just wait until the Maori version has to be added as well.
      
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      December 24, 2020 10:44am
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      Wait untill tourism resumes, asian drivers have a hard enough time deciphering english signs let alone te reo.
      
      Imagine satnav confusion when you type in english name and you arrive at the destination and the welcome sign is a complete word salad…
      
      Also did maori use numerals? Or will 50km sign become “rima tekau kiromita”
      
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      December 24, 2020 10:55am
    - Jack5
      
      I’m in two minds on dual-language signs.
      
      It would beat the path of State radio, State TV, and our State-subsidised newspapers of pumping so much Maori into English that they would turn it into a regional pidgin language.
      
      I would prefer to be either in English, or in Maori, rather than in some pidgin, Woke, version of English.
      
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      December 24, 2020 12:07pm
  - backster
    
    But will it increase productivity?
    
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    December 24, 2020 12:46pm
- greybeard
  
  I was wondering the other day if there would be an English equivalent for the proposed “Matariki” .
  I concluded that there would not be one.
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:49am
  - Paulus
    
    Surely Firework Night !
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:00am
  - kowtow
    
    Seven Sisters . But yep there won’t be one.
    It’s all Greek to me .
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:03am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Pleiades/Subaru/Seven Sisters
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:23am
  - Liberty
    
    greybeard
    There is ” A load of crap”
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:36am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep, Its called the rising of Pleides. Been going on since Adam was a Boy.
    Interesting enough It can only now really be seen in Southern Hemisphere due too clear night skies. Especially after a Southerly. Its not really high on the Magnitudr scale either so ‘all in all” not that impressive.
    
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    December 24, 2020 12:57pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      In addition, its of No sigmificance to West Coast Maoris Folklore as can only be accurately seen Rising on East coast.
      Unfortunately you cant defeat Physics with Folklore.
      
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      December 24, 2020 1:03pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        “Unfortunately you cant defeat Physics with Folklore.”
        
        Climate Change?
        
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        December 24, 2020 1:36pm
  - fredonas
    
    Yes, it’s called “middle of friggin’ winter, brrrrr” 🙂
    
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    December 24, 2020 7:39pm
- chukar
  
  Well I do have a problem with “ bilingual signs”
  ROAD SAFETY.
  Efficient road signs convey a message as clearly and briefly as possible.Too many signs or bilingual writing on a sign means the message will be less clear and could even be classified as a distraction.
  This is recognised by traffic engineers
  Information overload is a recognised traffic issue
  To be effective Road signs should be in the major language used in the country only.
  
  In New Zealand the proposed bilingual signs would use international accepted language .
  But proposed additions would only be understood by less than 5% of the population in this country and would be totally unintelligible to visitors
  
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  December 24, 2020 12:36pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Plus some of the indigenous are not greatly interested in road signage:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/couples-horror-160kmh-car-chase-after-picking-up-distressed-woman/GJ5S53Y3THOIZDPXEVHLO4VZU4/
    
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    December 24, 2020 4:48pm
- tavita
  
  So who is behind all this? There are some people who seem over-ready to accept all this crap but I don’t think that’s where the push is coming from. Perhaps we need to ask who stands to make money from it all.
  
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  December 24, 2020 5:02pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Woke academics.
    
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    December 24, 2020 6:28pm
- cmm
  
  I have no problem at all with the bilingual road signs.
  
  I would like to suggest that they use pre-colonial Maori for the Maori bits.
  
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  December 24, 2020 7:20pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The slowly carved pole or the quicker head on a stick? Neither seems a serious challenge to GPS navigation.
    
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    December 24, 2020 9:51pm
- giltee
  
  JW if I was still living in NEW ZEALAND I’d have a yellow can of paint in my car at all times and any dual language sign would ensure the sign was showing it’s original name. You won’t see any signs that are in Maori showing the English name underneath so bilingual signs are therefore racist.
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:11pm
Jack5

Quiet day for posts, so here’s one addressed to the Woke who want to change the name of our country from “New Zealand”.

Surely we can have some of the gumption of the great Newfies:

https://youtu.be/4i62RnsIQHM
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December 24, 2020 8:29am
- cmm
  
  As a quarter-Newfie that made me proud.
  
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  December 24, 2020 7:26pm
Captain Mainwaring

Couldn’t believe my ears last night.
There was a man doing the weather on TV3 and he didn’t use any of the token Maori place names.
Have they turned the corner?
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December 24, 2020 8:34am
- Biscuit
  
  Link … or it didn’t happen, Captain!
  
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  December 24, 2020 8:37am
- UkiWop
  
  A Christmas miracle indeed
  
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  December 24, 2020 8:39am
  - giltee
    
    That was the birth of Jesus to a virgin. Yeah well……
    
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    December 25, 2020 1:01am
- kowtow
  
  A man doing the weather ?
  
  They sure have turned the corner .
  
  On a serious note though , comrade , he’ll be getting re educated , quick sharp.
  
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  December 24, 2020 8:55am
- Jack5
  
  Stuff proudly continues its Woke crusade on Christmas eve, celebrating Maorication of a historic, colonial Canterbury pub.
  
  It was Ocean Bay Hotel for 110 years, then called the Smugglers’ Arms for 20 years, then the Governors’ Bay Hotel for 20.
  
  “Governors’ Bay”? How horridly colonial? That’s the name of the area. Well obviously the pub change gets the ball rolling and the bay name will change. Then “Banks Peninsula” and soon “Christchurch”.
  
  The pub now takes a vowel-heavy Maori name starting with a capital “O” complete with a macron, and the beer market will just have to learn how to pronounce it.
  
  Merry patrons phoning for a cab won’t get their tongue round it and the cab receptionist will think it’s a prank call from Tonga.
  
  Keep it up Stuff! We’re going into the busiest time of year for renewal of newspaper subscriptions.
  
  Stay Woke! Go Broke!
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:06am
  - kowtow
    
    The beauty of that story is buried deep down where the owner of Bully Hayes said 95 % of his punters didn’t want a change .
    
    That fits with the broadly 80 % in any plebiscites around all this anti colonial woke shite that’s being pushed on us by our “betters’ and the Media pardy are in there as our ‘betters’ telling us what to do ,think and what not to say anymore . They have taken on the mantle of Big Brother and they should be deeply ashamed of themselves.
    
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    December 24, 2020 9:55am
  - Paulus
    
    Easy – Avoid as you don’t know where you are !
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:02am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I await the macronisation of New Zealand. Macrons everywhere–on whose say so? Their use is inconsistent and their use is frequently wrong.
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:13am
    - oldfella
      
      Kev, did you notice Simon Shallow on TV1 news last night introducing a story about Wet-TARR Worksh0ps? Macron madness!
      Second time he’s done it, but on both occasions the reporter has correctly then referred to it as Weta – no macron – which is what Peter Jackson calls his company, and by which it is known internationally.
      
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      December 24, 2020 11:21am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I did actually, and it really jarred. Having spent 7 years in the Pacific where the language is alive I am well aware of macrons. They are very frequently dropped by native speakers as insignificant. They typically denote a long vowel and users are expected to know their own pronunciation. The article form “O te..” or “Oamaru” almost never has the macron.
        
        The Maori that was, is being ruined by wannabe activists.
        
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        December 24, 2020 1:58pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Couldn’t happen to a more deserving daily rag.
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:49am
- GazzaW
  
  Maybe their Government media payoff has run out Captain.
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:16am
  - Nickc2
    
    We couldn’t be that lucky.
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:50am
  - marcw
    
    Nope, there’s another $75 million on offer, no doubt as long as the MSM don’t ask any awkward or hard questions.
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:51am
- JackRabbit
  
  Maybe their legal teams have advised them that if the weather forecast cannot be understood, especially by Maori who don’t speak Maori, and people do not get the appropriate extreme weather warnings, and there is loss of life, that the weather service may be held liable or be under fire.
  
  At least that’s the argument I’m putting forward in the hope that some legal boffin will pick up on the idea and sanity (and 100% English) can be restored to at least the weather reporting.
  
  Something similar happened in the big Canterbury snow in 1992, where the weather service reported the “possibility” of snow.
  
  The 1992 snow storm killed over one million stock in Canterbury and damaged buildings in the Christchurch and surrounding areas. Its overall economic impact was estimated to be somewhere between 50 and 100 million dollars.
  
  Every time after that if snow was a possibility, the weather service predicted “heavy snow” even when it was a light dusting. Legal butt covering!
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:21am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  TV1 news last night, told me that most of the protesters at the felling of 345 exotic trees from Auckland’s Mt Albert, are pakeha.
  
  Why does ethnicity of the protesters need to be mentioned? Is it to balance every other report in the news report, has the word maori in it?
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:32am
  - kowtow
    
    According to the Media Pardy those “pakeha” are also exotics who are introduced and don’t really belong here either , not being ‘true people of the land’.
    
    Most of the Media are also ‘exotic ‘ so they better watch their backs while they play the Red Guard in this ‘Kiwi” version of the Cultural Revolution.
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:00am
    - JibberJabber
      
      I have on my property 6, at least 100+ year-old Oaks, my idiot sister-in-law a Greenie no less, told me I should chop them down cos’ they’re not native.
      A short sharp GTFO ensued, needless to say, they don’t visit much anymore, to my relief?
      Turning up tomorrow tho’, I think she’s got over it.
      
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      December 24, 2020 11:02am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        On the other hand, a BBC presenter (James Wong) who said that the culture of British gardening had “racism baked into its DNA” has received death threats and abuse.
        James criticized the promotion of “native” and “heritage” plants in the UK as being exclusionary to outsiders.
        
        Well, isn’t that what’s happening in NZ with the replacement of exotic species with “natives”?
        
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        December 24, 2020 1:39pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        I planted some pines merely as a relief from all the natives. I figured 8 million hectares of native reserves probably suffices.
        
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        December 24, 2020 6:35pm
  - alloytoo
    
    I think we should consider the term “Pakeha” as hate speech.
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:06am
    - Nickc2
      
      Why not? Nobody can give me a translation of the word that makes any sense. Those that do make some kind of sense are quite derogatory and definitely hate speech.
      
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      December 24, 2020 10:57am
      - kowtow
        
        Argh . you’re.
        
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        December 24, 2020 11:29am
      - kowtow
        
        Whatever it is , it is “othering” and that’s a woke no no. Unless you’re “othering” the patriarchy in which case “othering” is OK .
        Like boomer , pale male stale etc
        
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        December 24, 2020 11:32am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        When I was a minority child of mostly pallor at a rural school of mostly Moahri, the least derogatory interpretation of Pakeha I was told of, was “white like a dead fish’s belly’.
        
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        December 24, 2020 11:40am
      - kowtow
        
        nickc2
        That ‘argh you’re’ was misplaced and has nothing to do with your post ! Apologies.
        
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        December 24, 2020 12:04pm
    - Phronesis
      
      The problem is how do you define it without most maori actually being pakeha. The top google result is a “Māori-language term for New Zealanders primarily of European descent” which would include most of those who identify as maori. The way the term is used is essentially an arbitrary distinction between “us” and “them” which is the very foundation of hate speech.
      
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      December 24, 2020 11:31am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        “Pakeha” is Te Reo for “Gaijin,” which could conceivably become a “hate speech” word if the radical Left in Japanese politics were ever to get into power.
        
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        December 24, 2020 1:41pm
- oldfella
  
  Captain, the bloke on TV3 last night doing the weather – without Maori names – is Maori.
  If he’s back to tee rayoh tonight, you can assume he got a good kicking for straying from the reservation.
  However, if he presents an English language forecast two nights in a row, it will be the result of an edict from management. Which would be very good news, and probably the result of feedback from viewers.
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:12am
- Unity
  
  If that’s the case then I will switch to TV3 as I’m fed up with Maori words being slotted in here, there and everywhere. It totally irritates me but I have no choice but to put up with it if I want to know what’s what in this country. How do we stop this nonsense?
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:31am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  yeah right.
  
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  December 24, 2020 12:52pm
MCos

Have yourselves a Merry Little Christmas
https://twitter.com/communistbops/status/1340814693326327810?s=21
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December 24, 2020 8:36am
- Jack5
  
  Isn’t it a touch, um, unWoke, MCos, ridiculing Cossack dancing?
  
  They’re probably INDIGENOUS to the Steppes, if not to the Eastern reaches of Siberia.
  
  But heh, Merry Christmas, MCos!
  
  С Рождеством!
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:54am
Observer of Life

Are you sure you weren’t dreaming Capt?
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December 24, 2020 8:37am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I hope I wasn’t, but at this time of the year it’s a possibility.
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:55am
artemisia

A mum awaiting surgery and her autistic son are house-hunting for Christmas

Sad Christmas story today in Stuff. Tenant says she won’t be the only one given termination notice. (Agreed.) Landlord says it is perfectly legal. (Agreed.)

Will not be legal in 7 weeks when new ‘kind’ rules kick in, unless there are specific circumstances. Landlords are well aware, no need for a nod or a wink. (Agreed.)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/renting/123740508/a-mum-awaiting-surgery-and-her-autistic-son-are-househunting-for-christmas
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December 24, 2020 8:47am
- rouppe
  
  As always there must be something else going on.
  
  She says she has always paid the rent on time. Landlords don’t evict tenants that are reliable payers.
  
  She’s never been the subject of a complaint. Landlords don’t evict quiet and responsible tenants.
  
  Something about the change to yearly rent review. That’s a red herring, just means the rises will be bigger.
  
  Something about upgrading the bathroom. That can take that out of service for weeks if a minor change or months for a bigger upgrade, but I’d be talking with the tenant about how to do that before evicting.
  
  So either there’s some other problem with the tenant, or the landlord believes it will be too difficult to do the upgrades with a tenant in situ. In any case, 90 days is a heck of a lot of time, notwithstanding the time of year.
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:24am
  - artemisia
    
    Or the owner has decided to sell, maybe after a zhoosh up. It’s a sellers market atm, but landlords are evil, have tax rules other businesses don’t have and must be forced to obey an exploding number of regulations on pain of large fines.
    
    It can be tricky to sell with a tenant in situ for several reasons, such as untidy tenants, untidy grounds, tenants who don’t want buyers going through, hard or impossible to do stuff like painting or flooring or bathrooms. And then there is the possibility tenants can’t find anywhere else and don’t move. Consider how the buyer and seller deal with that one! Tenants only get half the 90 days notice if it is not given until a sale is unconditional.
    
    Or the owner will upgrade to meet new standards and relet for a lot more money.
    
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    December 24, 2020 12:10pm
    - rouppe
      
      All correct. Though they could do the upgrade and give a rent notice increase with the tenant in place. Same 90 day requirement
      
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      December 24, 2020 2:23pm
  - RJ
    
    Bullshit, landlords do evict good tenants for a number of reasons more so now that they have a lot of new rules under labour. Obviously isn’t a problem with the tenants as nationals Matt Doocey is standing behind her.
    
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    December 24, 2020 12:38pm
igm

Where the hell are we heading?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/christchurch-life/123777227/canterbury-pub-swaps-colonial-name-for-te-reo-mori-translation
This is now he last pub I would ever visit . . . bet he regrets this decision in the long term.
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December 24, 2020 8:54am
- MCos
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I somehow doubt he’ll notice your absence.
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:11am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    igm can barely make it from his council bedsit across the road to the pokies joint these days. A trip to Christchurch is well beyond his physical, and fiscal, capabilities.
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:37am
    - lofty
      
      Well you must know igm well to have that amount of detail about his wherewithal.
      If you don’t and are merely being acidic towards him, shame on you at this time of supposedly goodwill.
      I wish you a Merry Christmas regardless, and wish you well in the future.
      
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      December 24, 2020 11:30am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      People like you in taxpayer-funded housing should put down the basket of stones.
      
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      December 24, 2020 11:42am
    - igm
      
      Unlike you, I do not and have never leeched off ratepayers, and my fitness would be far greater than yours. As far as travel, I am all aroud this country weekly, so may catch up with you sooner than you think!
      
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      December 24, 2020 11:49am
  - igm
    
    I have neve been to the dump, this being less likely now..
    
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    December 24, 2020 12:00pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Angry igm strikes again, and reveals his complete and utter ignorance about the Ōtoromiro Hotel and, by extension, the Governors Bay community, in the process.
      
      What an absolute wally.
      
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      December 24, 2020 5:15pm
      - igm
        
        Well I suppose this pub will now be infiltrated by Woke leeches with of course, fuck all money, as they are too tired to work, and dont have the guts to attempt running a business. And of course, they will all vote Labour and be non-ratepaying electors of left-wig council leeches.
        
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        December 25, 2020 6:34am
- kowtow
  
  I see the vitual signaller only went half way .
  
  He hasn’t used the Maori word for “hotel” . Hotera ,which of course is a cultural appropriation of the English which is of course a cultural appropriation of the French ‘hotel’ , which should have a circumflex over the ‘o’. And the French invaded England in 1066 so they should apologise to the English , who were Anglo ,Saxon ,Jute invaders who should apologise to the Celts who never agreed to be colonised by Germans ……..
  
  Oh dear.
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:28am
- Nickc2
  
  I understand it’s the favoured hangout for woke students. Why am I surprised?
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:00am
- cmm
  
  I expect he’ll go full anti-colonials and:
  1) Write the new name in the original pre-colonial font.
  2) Not serve any colonial beverages, especially after the damage fire water did to the natives.
  
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  December 24, 2020 7:32pm
kowtow

I see our Media , always so quick when a “Kiwi” is involved in over seas events haven’t picked this up in any way bigly . I wonder why .

But I feel sorry for the guy cos when they do they’ll give him the Salem Witch trial treatment.

‘Taiwan’s EVA Airways Corp sacked a New Zealand pilot on Wednesday whom the government has blamed for the island’s first locally transmitted case of Covid-19 since April 12 because he failed to follow disease prevention rules.’

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1566847-20201223.htm?spTabChangeable=0
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December 24, 2020 8:58am
- RJ
  
  Strange I’ve read it on New Zealand news since it broke. Just a couple of links, there are many
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300192144/kiwi-pilot-blamed-for-covid-resurgence-in-taiwan-fired-by-airline
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-taiwans-first-local-case-in-eight-months-linked-to-kiwi-pilot/WS3R666ZNNCVTPUILQKLHKG7T4/
  
  https://sunlive.co.nz/news/258796-nz-national-taiwan-tests-positive-covid.html
  
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  December 24, 2020 12:32pm
  - kowtow
    
    “bigly” ? Not .
    
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    December 24, 2020 1:29pm
WaynelSexton

Biden has no chance of being President.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RowdyRep/status/1341499773455622145

“This country is doomed. It’s doomed, not just because of African-Americans, but because by 2040, this country is going to be minority white-European. You hear me? And you guys are going to have to start working more with Hispanics. Who make up a larger portion of population than y’all do!”
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December 24, 2020 9:09am
- Inandout
  
  Wayne, the Mexican caravans are gathering for the opening of the border gates. Thanks to Ms Harris. I don’t mention Joe because he isn’t with it.
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:59am
- Paulus
  
  Statistically African Americans represent only some 16% of the registered Americans – similar proportion of Maori in New Zealand.
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:06am
- Adroit
  
  Well, the country may be doomed, but there will NEVER be few enough white people to not raise the specter of white supremacy. Just look at South Africa – less than 5 million whites in a population of 60 million and they have never stopped being the boogey man. It will be the same in the USA. No matter how few white people are left, the disparate ‘peoples of colour’ and their enablers will still use use the threat posed by white people as an anvil to forge their alliances upon.
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:10am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s not about “whiteness” . It’s about the tradition of the rule of law , democracy , individual responsibility , hard work etc
    
    Abandon democracy and the rule of law and your gone.
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:38am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Those have now been “problematised” as symptoms of whiteness.
      
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      December 24, 2020 12:14pm
    - MFD
      
      “Abandon democracy and the rule of law and your gone.”
      
      Democracy, the rule of law and grammar.
      
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      December 24, 2020 2:25pm
Bob

Good chance that he won’t be allowed to present the weather tonight.
Memo to TV3 management from the princess! CONFORM….
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December 24, 2020 9:11am
- kowtow
  
  They won’t need any memo from the Politbureau , they’ll be running their own “Struggle Sessions” with plenty of self denunciations . No shit.
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:12am
Flossie

One hopes so. This country is what it is today thanks to the contributions of many races.
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December 24, 2020 9:12am
- kowtow
  
  Boiled down it is what it is due the British tradition of democracy and the rule of law .
  
  That is now under threat .
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:33am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  We are what we are (or rather were until recently) thanks to the disproportionate net-positive contributions of one race. Whether the wokiwis know it or not and like it or not. In fact, I suggest they know it and can’t stand it.
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:44am
lastmanstanding

Merry Christmas to our fine host DPF his partner and children and to everyone on KB including the Lefties.
And to all Members of the HoR including the Left.
In the case of the Left hostilities are suspended for Christmas and New Year but will resume with renewed vigor in 2021.
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December 24, 2020 9:18am
- cmm
  
  No, it’s a wonderful time for them because nobody is paying attention.
  
  It’s a huge distraction for the muggles and a brilliant time to bury embarrassing reports etc.
  
  Cindy can now be interviewed about what she’s going to do for Christmas and what is going in (inaudible’s) stocking rather than anything substantial.
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:03am
- Unity
  
  Ditto to that lastmanstanding. A very Merry Christmas DPF to you and your family. Kiwiblog is just the best blog around. A very Merry Christmas to everyone else on this site.
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:34am
kowtow

Pointless clickbait headline in stuff .

‘Police officer’s daughter admits laundering dirty money in meth ring’

Can anyone remember a headline along the lines of
“journalist’s , son daughter wife partner niece nephew etc” ever making it to the bright lights ?
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December 24, 2020 9:23am
- Paulus
  
  Or an old one where a Labour Cabinet Minister’s daughter driving a Politician provided car was found to have cannabis in the crashed vehicle.
  I did say an old one not a recent indiscretion.
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:09am
  - yossarian
    
    Do we mention the Labour Youth Camp sexual predator????
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:49am
- amospicton
  
  Something needs to be done about media bias. Not just in NZ either but the spin they put on the ‘news’ probably influences enough swing voters to determine the outcome of elections. State funded media, which let’s face it after Ardern’s selfless largesse is now most of it, needs to be impartial and there should be a body ensuring that happens. Genuinely private media can do whatever they like and suffer the commercial impact of being partisan (or not). Government funding leading to pro-government bias is pretty much the definition of corruption.
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:55am
- RJ
  
  The last time I can remember the media writing articles on a media person’s family member it was Paul Holmes daughter.
  
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  December 24, 2020 12:25pm
  - amospicton
    
    Well of course Paul Holmes didn’t always sing from the woke song sheet and hence was fair game.
    
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    December 24, 2020 1:27pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  The attacks made against Joe Biden’s son none of which have been established with convictions are far worse. But then again it is old Trumphy, your hero Kowtow.
  Fortunately, I assume the daughter was not named.
  
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  December 24, 2020 1:15pm
  - amospicton
    
    You’re joking Brian…..this Hunter Biden stuff which was very relevant was basically embargoed by the mainstream and social media giants during the election campaign. This is exactly the sort of manipulative double standard I’m referring to.
    
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    December 24, 2020 1:30pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      “Embargoed?” never stopped hearing about it from Trump amospicton.
      
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      December 24, 2020 6:31pm
      - amospicton
        
        My point is that it was news and you should have heard about it in the media, not from Trump. Remember the Russia hoax last election? Spot the difference?
        
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        December 24, 2020 7:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Tony Blair – Vaccine expert and promoter of International Vaccination certificate

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55410349

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/510577-tony-blair-vaccine-advice/
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December 24, 2020 9:34am
- SB2
  
  MW. did Tony Blair ever claim expert credentials.We can safely asumme that his approval was subject to the thumbs up from UK health and vaccine experts.
  
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  December 24, 2020 12:34pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Irony escapes you, I see.
    
    Did you even read the op-ed?
    
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    December 24, 2020 1:13pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He can’t read. Mummy reads it to him
      
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      December 24, 2020 3:37pm
Rich Prick

It’s nice that the luvvies have access to Government COVID “insurance”, ie, you and me picking up the tab. They must be pretty “essential”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/123797662/governmentfunded-covid-insurance-considered-for-12-upcoming-films
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December 24, 2020 9:35am
- JackRabbit
  
  “Covid-19”, coming to your neighbourhood soon.
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:40am
- cmm
  
  I’m sure these movies will be “on message”, so the deal will be worth it for those making the deal.
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:48am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  When I applied a few months ago for a waiver to go offshore and back to do medical teaching on remote sites and update ACLS etc. certifications – and quarantine on return – I spoke to a millennial person who shall remain nameless and inter alia, xe asked me “is what you are doing necessary and a source of forex for Aoteoroa, yah know, like producing Avatar movies, like that.” I replied “nothing at all as important I’m afraid”. Because if even after explaining in detail complete with countries’ itinerary to xe what I would be doing, xe’s still asking that question, the conversation is not going anywhere. Arguing with people like that is they way it always is when arguing with idiots; they want to drag you down to their level of obdurate stupidity and then beat you with their familiarity in that milieu.
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:49am
- chukar
  
  Another bloody outrage RP
  
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  December 24, 2020 6:45pm
Gravelroad

Happy Christmas to all on KB – especially those who have an involvement in agricultural enterprises.
Thanks to the dairy and other livestock farmers who get up day after day, week after week rain or shine to milk cows, tend sheep, raise chickens and grow crops to feed people and generate income earning exports.
Also to all the associated industry support businesses and workers.
Interestingly last week or so, when Mr Robertson announced the GDP figure, he said the better than expected result was thanks to the dairy industry receipts.
That must have been a disappointment to the haters in the Green Party ………..
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December 24, 2020 9:35am
- cmm
  
  And contrary to what all the bollocks talkers say, this industry is a huge carbon sink – not a carbon source.
  
  If we’re really worried about Climate Change then we should thank the farmers – not blame them.
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:39am
  - JackRabbit
    
    You can’t expect Robertson to understand anything that complex. He can’t even add.
    
    If you are looking for GDP growth on google, there is a massive excess of NZ govt and MBIE sites that pop up compare to 2 years ago, driving you away from international sites that tend to be more objective.
    
    On some NZ charts negative growth (anything less than 0%) is conveniently not shown to make the picture look better than it is.
    
    https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/gross-domestic-product-december-2019-quarter
    
    On this page you would have to extend the Y axis downwards by at 12 horizontal units to show the real picture for Q2. A massaged graph, to NOT show the negatives.
    
    Even though not up to date, international charts don’t sugar coat the reality.
    
    https://www.economy.com/new-zealand/nominal-gross-domestic-product
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:00am
- kowtow
  
  GDP figure he says ?
  
  I thort we were going to be the Great Innovators and give up that economics stuff in favour of Happiness Indexes …….
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:15am
- JackRabbit
  
  ” the better than expected result” he said that in the 2018 budget, in reference to the GDP rate of growth, as a reason to borrow like there was no tomorrow.
  
  GDP and GDP rate of growth are quite different. Even high school economics will tell you that GDP will increase with population growth and continued expansion of the money supply. Even higher prices due to shortages can inflate GDP. Please correct if this is inaccurate.
  
  GDP rate of growth is a better indicator of economy health which is however very sick, indicating a big downturn. There is nothing pretty about this picture and Robertson is all hot air.
  
  https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/gdp-growth-annual
  
  And the idea of a bed tax in tourism is so wrong. Beating an industry while it is suffering.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/393668/bed-tax-would-put-kiwis-out-of-pocket-says-tourism-body
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:17am
  - cmm
    
    The biggest problem with a bed tax, or any tax for that matter, is that it assumes that the government will do a better job with the money than the people that made the money in the first place.
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:46am
  - RJ
    
    Tax is love so we are told so maybe taxing the bed where tourists make love is only natural since tax is love
    
    Although most of us would agree tax is shit, but don’t want the government to start taxing loo flushes
    
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    December 24, 2020 12:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t forget the ‘truckers’ who transport the goods for you to gorge yourselves on
  
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  December 24, 2020 3:40pm
I remember when

Immigration.
As of 2018, 55 percent of America’s billion-dollar startups were founded by immigrants.
A new study, from the National Foundation for American Policy, finds 55%, or 50 of 91, of the country’s $1 billion startups had at least one immigrant founder.
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December 24, 2020 9:35am
- cmm
  
  Free market immigration is generally positive for the receiving country.
  
  The best, brightest and most motivated people are more likely to be the ones that leave their previous countries and move to better places where their talents can be used for maximum effect. Those attributes also those of people who are most likely to succeed and build businesses etc.
  
  What is far more problematic is welfare-driven immigration. That just attracts people coming for a hand out. They don’t build much. They just end up being a drain on society.
  
  Those two very different types of immigrant should not be lumped together.
  
  #disclaimer: I’m an immigrant.
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:45am
  - Jack5
    
    Developed countries compete strongly for immigrants educated and skilled in useful disciplines.
    
    New Zealand isn’t the most favoured destination, and many highly qualified migrants who do come here keep one eye on our “back door” entry to Australia.
    
    Pizza deliverers, door-to-door salesmen of electricity, taxi drivers, farm hands, appliance store sales staff, and unskilled refugees dominate end occupations of the migrant stream to NZ.
    
    The residency- for-study rort of the education industry distorted our immigration. Thousands of young people come to NZ purportedly to study IT and similar. When they finished their relatively short courses (or, like the Green Mexican MP, dropped out) they moved into unskilled or semi-skilled occupations.
    
    Fast population growth as a quick and easy way to turn NZ into a top little technology country has been a mirage.
    
    With our immigration rate having been probably the highest of Western developed countries, our surging population has outpaced economic growth, putting huge pressure on infrastructure.
    
    Fast population growth lowers our wealth relative to other countries. As noted here before, we’ve slipped out of the top 40 countries measured by GDP per capita.
    
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    December 24, 2020 11:38am
  - IC5000
    
    > The best, brightest and most motivated people are more likely to be the ones that leave their previous countries and move to better places where their talents can be used for maximum effect.
    
    Yeah, working in liquor stores, servos and quikimarts throughout South Auckland
    
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    December 24, 2020 3:37pm
    - MCos
      
      If it wasn’t for immigrants the piecart would still be the epitome of Kiwi fine dining.
      
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      December 24, 2020 10:14pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Depends on where your immigrants come from.
  
  Replicating Mogadishu in Minneapolis… nah.
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:57am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Hey Downticker – have you visited both places? If not, you are even more clueless than an entirely clueless thing bereft of clues. If, OTOH, you have to downtick to earn your Fraser House manna, well, you should’ve stayed at school longer and apprenticed for a trade.
    
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    December 24, 2020 12:54pm
    - SB2
      
      EH , when was the last time you visited Mogadishu and Minneapolis
      
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      December 24, 2020 1:41pm
      - MCos
        
        . . . . . or sang Ten Guitars
        
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        December 24, 2020 10:15pm
Tony Stuart

Merry Christmas to DPF and his family, and to all those with whom I have engaged over 2020. Whether we crossed swords, or whether we were generally in agreement, I wish you all nothing but the best, and hope that you get touched by the miracle of Christmas.

SWMBO and myself are heading away this afternoon, and whilst I will try to ignore Kiwiblog, I’m bound to pop by once in a while. Here’s a toast to the end of 2020, and to us being able and willing to face the challenges 2021 will bring!
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December 24, 2020 9:42am
- RJ
  
  Merry christmas Tony, and thanks to you and all the mods for the work you do
  
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  December 24, 2020 12:18pm
Maggie Pie

Bit of a late one last night – snuck in about 2.
Went up to Parnell with a few of the girls.
Amazing the number of married guys on the pull. One even had his wife with him. Not sure if they were a religious couple, but the guy was telling us how cool he thought ‘Joseph’ was.
“When you try to understand how your virgin wife is pregnant, then these 3 random dudes show up at the birth all bearing gifts. And one’s even black”

LOL!!
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December 24, 2020 10:00am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Parnell has many ‘marriages of convenience’, but the real estate is expensive.
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:56am
- RJ
  
  You’ve got it wrong Maggie, let me change it for you
  
  When you try to understand how your virgin daughter is pregnant, then these 3 random dudes show up at the birth all bearing gifts. It must be Christmas in south Auckland”
  
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  December 24, 2020 12:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One of those 3 duded smacked his head on the door frame when entering. “Jesus” he exclaimed. Joseph said “White that down Mary, it’s better than Brian”
  
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  December 24, 2020 3:44pm
Paulus

There will be no houses built on Ihumatao, in the next 5 years, at least.
Tania has said so !
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December 24, 2020 10:03am
alloytoo

A Merry Christmas and Happy New year to DPF, his family and the Kiwiblog “Family” (yes even the mods 🙂 )
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December 24, 2020 10:09am
Fletch

A good summary of the election fraud that occurred in each state.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/12/yes-it-was-stolen-election-john-perazzo/
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December 24, 2020 10:10am
- fernglas
  
  So they changed some rules to make voting easier. That’s good. And clearly more people voted by mail because of Covid, which is also good. And clearly the higher voter turnout means that historical analyses are not much use. So where is the evidence of fraud? Has the Trump campaign pointed to what they are alleging, which is mass fraud utilising 100s of thousands of ballot papers? No, its whole argument is founded on a fallacy. The Democrats facilitated voting, the numbers of voters increased, therefore the increase in turnout was all fraudulent votes for Biden. But fallacious resoning is no excuse for evidence, as the Courts have found out. So, Fletch, for the umpteenth time, hit us with your best shot. Where is the best piece of evidence of fraud?
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:08am
  - Fletch
    
    You forgot to say illegally changed voting law. And it wasn’t to make voting easier, it was to make fraud easier by removing all safeguards. And you obviously didn’t read the article. It is filled with hundreds of instances of fraud, of thousands of votes.
    
    If it were the other way around, if Trump had won states using these means, the media would be screaming about it every day. You know it’s true. Instead they are silent and complicit in the fraud.
    
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    December 24, 2020 12:16pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      And I think the master is getting ready to declare insurrection.
      Time will tell.
      
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      December 24, 2020 2:08pm
    - RichardX
      
      Fletch
      
      …..You know it’s true….
      
      You need to improve your mind reading technique.
      
      Everytime you claim to know what other people know, think or believe, particularly in relation to the US election, you are wrong.
      And yet you keep doing it.
      
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      December 24, 2020 4:52pm
- Alan1930
  
  Thankfully US courts were more than up to the task of differentiating between wilful political disinformation and reality.
  
  It will be a great day when media outlets show the same amount of integrity as the courts.
  
  If you want to observe what quality evidence looks like then sit back and watch what happens to the parties being sued by Dominion Voting Systems.
  
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  December 24, 2020 12:08pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Have you read the Dominion manuals showing how their machines can be manipulated–look under “Features”.
    
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    December 24, 2020 2:10pm
    - Alan1930
      
      Yes I have. I found nothing of interest.
      
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      December 24, 2020 4:21pm
Fletch

20 recipes that make use of frozen hash browns (scroll down a bit). OMG, I can’t even… ?

https://www.allrecipes.com/gallery/frozen-hash-brown-recipes/

A couple use ham – might be good for Xmas leftovers…
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December 24, 2020 10:13am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I hope we never find life on another planet, because if we do there’s no doubt that the United States will start sending them money.
Donald J Trump.
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December 24, 2020 10:27am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Theyve spent millions on a study and heres the result…
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/science/300192020/study-finds-our-galaxy-may-be-full-of-dead-alien-civilisations
  
  Honestly you couldnt make this crap up.
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:46am
Wimpston peeders

Happy mod???
User name changed.
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December 24, 2020 10:43am
- oldfella
  
  WP, like the new name. Which you can soon update to SIR Wimpston Peeders after the toxic dwarf get his gong in the NY Honours list.
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:42am
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    An old name i used but seemed to not attract as much mod harrassment, i must behave now 🙂
    
    Ill be sure to add the SIR if he gets knighted for being cindys handbrake, i doubt he will tho.
    
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    December 24, 2020 3:28pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was just about to head over to the $2 Shop in Onehunga to stock up on batteries and shampoo for the beach.
I told him to wait till Boxing Day.
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December 24, 2020 10:50am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Interesting combo…
  
  Btw those items wont have much discount on boxing day and delaying it till then would just add anothet 45mins wait at the checkout. Youre setting the poor guy up 🙂
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:59am
Happychappy

Will the Government act on calls from Nationals Chris Bishop and other Scientists over the call for tighter measures for those from Britain in the wake of another strain of COVID-19 being detected in Britain that has apparently arrived from South Africa, or will they use the same old tactics of insinuating that they know better because of the success of how it has been handled before.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/12/covid-19-national-calls-on-govt-to-address-concerns-over-new-covid-strain-in-the-uk.html
Jacinda and Labour should be thinking ok we won the election ,we have another 3 years let’s now all work together to stop this from reaching our borders and if that means having consensus with other Parties let’s do it for NZ and not being seen to be arrogant.
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December 24, 2020 10:51am
- Wimpston peeders
  
  My lefty mate is sitting at home crapping his pants over the new strain, hes preaching doom that the vaccine wont work now and we all gunna die.
  Was a bit thrown when i asked where his enthusiastic confidence in jacinda had gone 🙂
  
  Honestly theyre gunna keep finding new this and that to keep the covid fear porn going untill climate fearmongering can gain traction again, if trumpy dosent use insurection act and biden gets inaugerated then i suspect covid will fade by late 2021 and climate fear will be full swing
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:04am
  - Inandout
    
    Wim, when I saw Joe being given the needle my immediate naughty thought was what if this is a ‘Harris’ concoction the old chap is being given? Then I hear ‘Pony’ Joe has to walk a fine line regarding his wonder boy Hunter.
    https://trends.gab.com/item/5fe3c3d54f5da72fc587d1d4
    
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    December 24, 2020 11:43am
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      Id bet good money that ole joe got a jab of saline and not a vaccine, dems couldnt risk him going belly up before inaugeration.
      
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      December 24, 2020 3:31pm
      - Batman
        
        Fools and their money huh? Haha
        
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        December 24, 2020 4:13pm
- kowtow
  
  Please don’t fall into the Panic Trap set by the Media pardy.
  
  Protect the vulnerable , keep calm and carry on.
  
  Otherwise we’ll never get out of this round after round of Wuflu panic porn.
  
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  December 24, 2020 11:59am
- RJ
  
  Will the government act in anything?
  
  NO!!!!!
  
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  December 24, 2020 12:10pm
  - Paulus
    
    But the Government are good in Pantomime, and it is Christmas, so carry on bullshitting.
    
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    December 24, 2020 2:08pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  The first calls that I know of in tightening the border now, came from Baker last week. He was calling for tests before departure to NZ. The proof of his point is that the safest situation for NZ would be when there are no Covid cases arriving here – as they are prevented from getting on the plane. I think that has been obvious for months. If that is what Bishop is saying I agree with him.
  
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  December 24, 2020 1:31pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Prof Baker has been advocating better controls at our border for months as well as pre-departure tests of folks flying in from high-risk countries:
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/427416/pre-flight-quarantine-urged-for-travellers-from-worst-hit-countries
    
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    December 24, 2020 3:59pm
    - Wimpston peeders
      
      If he had long pink hair jacinda would have listened and implemented it already.
      
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      December 24, 2020 4:28pm
lofty

May I wish all of Kiwiblogs participants, moderators and owner a very Merry Christmas and may the new year bring all that you desire.
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December 24, 2020 11:36am
- calendar girl
  
  Thanks, lofty. Timely, and well said.
  Same sentiments to you.
  
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  December 24, 2020 4:59pm
Maggie Pie

Where do they find these people?
Just tuned into 1ZB and honestly, whoever they’ve got filling in there today, is even more f–ing woke than Jack Lame!! (if that’s possible)
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December 24, 2020 11:38am
- SB2
  
  Heaps of alternatives out there for you like OAN ,Newsmax or Alex Jones etc to soothe your allergy to wokeness.
  
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  December 24, 2020 12:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I miss the old ‘stephieboy’.
    
    The new one really sucks.
    
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    December 24, 2020 1:32pm
- rouppe
  
  I now stream virtually non stop a “station” called KixFM 87.6 from TuneIn.
  
  Used to be a low power FM station in Wellington but now online only. No ads. At all. Classic Rock.
  
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  December 24, 2020 2:41pm
Engelbert Humperdink

May I wish you all a very Merry Christmas and all the best for a Happier New Year. I do hope not to meet any of you over the holidays (I’m working the ER) and I’m sure you feel the same way about avoiding me 🙂
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December 24, 2020 12:03pm
- rockape
  
  I may have to visit ER to meet the wife. She is working it too. Good dollars though! Not having kids in the country she feels obliged .
  
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  December 24, 2020 2:40pm
oldfella

Some good news from Spiked! – it seems that men can be men and women can be women. Whoodda thunk?
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At this most magical time of year, I hope you’re sitting uncomfortably – perhaps listening to the problematic lyrics of your favourite banned carol, settling in for socially distanced merriment and bemoaning the impact of climate change on the chances of a white Christmas. Most people will agree that 2020 has been a stinker of a year, but for those of us on the front lines of the ‘TERF wars’ there have been some huge gains against the joyless gender fascists. It seems the green shoots of reason are finally visible.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/22/the-gender-heretics-are-finally-winning-the-terf-wars/
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December 24, 2020 12:03pm
Fletch

What is it with the sense of entitlement that these govt covid experts seem to have in every country?

There was our own minister David Clark in NZ.
In the UK they had scientific adviser Professor Neil Ferguson who broke his own lockdown rules to meet his married mistress.
Now in the US, Coronavirus task force leader Dr. Deborah Birx has broken her own lockdown rules.

Just prior to Thanksgiving, Birx told Americans it would be dangerous to hold Thanksgiving with anyone other than immediate family, meaning those you already live with. And what did she go and do…?

According to the far-left Associated Press (AP), Birx proved she believes those rules are unnecessary by flagrantly violating them.

“The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware,” the AP reports. “She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.”

In my opinion, that’s not even the worst of it. Get this…

Birx “and her husband have a home in Washington,” according to the AP. “She also owns a home in nearby Potomac, Maryland, where her elderly parents, and her daughter and family live, and where Birx visits intermittently.” Here’s the kicker: “In addition, the children’s other grandmother, who is 77, also regularly travels to the Potomac house and returns to her 92-year-old husband near Baltimore.”

So while Birx is advocating that we all get locked down to save Grandma and Grandpa, while Birx is advocating that no one be allowed to visit the elderly in nursing homes, she’s been out visiting extended family and getting visits from a 77-year-old grandmother who goes home to a 92-year-old man!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/21/if-dr-birx-doesnt-worry-coronavirus-why-should-anyone/

And now she is all upset and is quitting because she got caught out and complains about “what was done to my family” and them “getting dragged into this”. Um, no – YOU dragged them into it by breaking your own rules.
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December 24, 2020 12:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  At least Nicola Sturgeon has the sense to own her (minor) mistake and apologise.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ts6PhQe0gA
  
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  December 24, 2020 1:08pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Um, it wasn’t assessed as a ‘minor mistake’ when the harridan Sturgeon was busy previously excoriating the deplorables for doing what she subsequently did herself.
    
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    December 24, 2020 1:34pm
- krazykiwi
  
  We’ve seen plenty of this in 2020: the ruling elite showing us, the little people, that the rules conjured up to the force subsequent obedience in no way apply to them.
  
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  December 24, 2020 5:08pm
Master Mariner

Good article about Hydrogen.

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/12/23/latest-hydrogen-economy-round-is-hype-but-there-is-a-place-for-hydrogen/
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December 24, 2020 12:09pm
lazza

Bilingual road signs Nah!

One or the other though … Eng OR! Mao.
No favoritism ehh?

Here’s a Little redneck racism TEST… both conscious and unconscious for yuzz.

First put away your hard wired racist attitudes … if you have any -and answer this question honestly: …

Which is the more mellifluous-runs off the tongue- refers to features unique to the location- has the benefit of chiming in with local cultural and geographical factors-pays respect to our first settlers :

Choose one.

NORTH!!! ISLAND …. (FALL ABOUT LAUGHING) or …

TE IKA A MAUI (APPLAUSE).

News for you. It is going to happen so get over yourselves OK?
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December 24, 2020 12:30pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Which does the world understand and which will it greet with: “Eh?”?
  
  Language can be used to connect or divide, that’s always a choice depending on your motivation.
  
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  December 24, 2020 10:15pm
PaulP

If they really were versions of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons I wonder what the police would have done if they were taking the piss out of Jesus.

Note that even the woke folk at Stuff call them “upsetting” rather than hate.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123812651/police-arrest-teen-after-upsetting-posters-plastered-around-queenstown
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December 24, 2020 12:30pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  We know exactly from the reaction to “Piss Christ”.
  
  Everybody elitist told the Christians to get over it.
  
  The Mo’cartoons, not so much. Not at all.
  
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  December 24, 2020 1:36pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is not the job of the police to pursue people because they “upset” someone. Not unless said upset was unlawful.
  
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  December 24, 2020 3:34pm
Fletch

Poll worker in Georgia caught on video scanning the same ballots multiple times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh5j7s1H7ek

Tell me this is OK.
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December 24, 2020 12:37pm
- SB2
  
  It’s OK because it never happend !
  
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  December 24, 2020 1:42pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    So the CCTV video is faked, is stupidboy?
    Talk about wilfully blind & stupid.
    
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    December 24, 2020 4:25pm
    - RJ
      
      Don’t worry these people think the video footage of hunter biden raping children are fake. Strange how they support a pedophile and the father, joe, whose own daughter in her rehab diary wrote of inappropriate showers with her dad as a child.
      
      Me too has gone away and replaced with we support pedophiles if it gets rid of trump
      
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      December 24, 2020 4:30pm
    - SB2
      
      Don Beckett, the two minute CCTV video clip that went viral does no scch thing,
      
      A two-and-a-half-minute video showing an election worker conducting an ordinary part of the recount process in Gwinnett County, Georgia, has been spun into false claims of fraud.
      
      This is just the most recent example in a surge of falsehoods aimed at undermining the results of the 2020 election.
      
      “It has all gone too far. All of it,” Gabriel Sterling, who oversees Georgia’s voting system, said at a press conference on Dec. 1 in which he called on President Donald Trump and other elected officials to condemn violent rhetoric aimed at election workers. “A 20-something tech in Gwinnett County today has death threats and a noose put out today saying he should be hung for treason. … It has to stop,” Sterling said.
      Sterling was referring to an employee of Dominion Voting Systems who is seen in the viral video.
      
      The video appears to have been recorded by a recount observer, and it has been circulated by conspiracy theorists, who falsely claim it shows fraud….”
      
      https://www.gpb.org/news/2020/12/03/fact-check-video-doesnt-show-election-fraud-in-georgia
      
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      December 24, 2020 4:43pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        But you would say that – wilfully blind person.
        
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        December 24, 2020 7:26pm
    - RichardX
      
      You only think you know what the video is showing because you have been told to think that is what it is showing.
      
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      December 24, 2020 4:57pm
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, we are instructed by all and sundry that this is not ‘evidence’. You see these people wanted Trump gone by any means, fair or foul. I suspect the shit will hit the fan before January 6th.
  
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  December 24, 2020 2:12pm
  - Wimpston peeders
    
    The 6th will be d day in america, a few million trump supporters to “rally” in washington in support of trump can turn in an instant to kaos and violence.
    Stock up on popcorn because no matter what way things go 1 side is gunna be outraged and out for blood.
    
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    December 24, 2020 4:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  FB fact checkers say it is false. Should have gone to specsavers
  
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  December 24, 2020 3:51pm
  - SB2
    
    Steve Otto(North Shore. and you and others claim QAN needs to be taken seriously ?
    
    Why?
    
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    December 24, 2020 4:45pm
Benedict Yu

Will be interesting to see what this person is charged with:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123812651/police-arrest-teen-after-upsetting-posters-plastered-around-queenstown

“The images were similar to those published by satirical French magazine Charlie Hebdo, which made it the target of a deadly terror attack.”

AFAIK none of the images published by Charlie Hebdo in 2015 would be unlawful in New Zealand. Indeed thousands of New Zealnders (and millions globally) joined the “Je suis Charlie” movement to defend the magazine and support free speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Je_suis_Charlie

What is astonishing is this:

After the 2015 terror attacks that killed the journalists who published the satirical images, Stuff published an opinion piece that defended the magazine and the right to free speech.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/68630011/the-principle-of-free-speech-cannot-be-over-rated

Yet here we are five years later. Stuff reports, without comment, that police have arrested a person for pasting up those same image around Queenstown.

I hope many of you, like me, finds this very concerning.

BTW the person has been charged with “possession of a knife”. This sounds like a ‘holding charge’ while Police figure out whether he can be charged with hate crimes. The only reason he was charged for the knife is that it was discovered AFTER he was detained for putting up the posters.

BY
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December 24, 2020 12:42pm
- marcw
  
  We may need another four pages of apology BY, as Stuff expands its acknowledgment of past crimes. Who knew, the right to free speech was an abomination.
  
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  December 24, 2020 12:58pm
- Paulus
  
  I assume the Police are consulting Minister Andrew Little to see how quickly he can get the new hate laws in.
  They will go slow waiting the Government to implement the new laws.
  
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  December 24, 2020 2:13pm
  - MCos
    
    He’s not Police Minister
    
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    December 24, 2020 10:02pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “The images were similar to those published by satirical French magazine Charlie Hebdo, which made it the target of a deadly terror attack.”
  
  That’s not true at all – it wasn’t the publishing of satirical pictures depicting a pedophile thug that made Charlie Hebdo the target of a deadly terror attack.
  
  What made CH the target of the attack was the incredibly thin-skinned insecurity, delusions and immaturity of a bunch of stone-age worshipping fuckwits who are so stupid they actually believe that murder is a rational and proportionate response to somebody poking fun at your “prophet”.
  
  But I completely agree with your point, that in 5 short years $1uffed has become the opposite of what it championed. And it’s only going to get worse.
  
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  December 24, 2020 3:26pm
  - SB2
    
    Loddenthinks. were you aware that one of the armed police officers who attempted to apprehend the Charlie Hebro terrorists and died ( like his colleague ) for his efforts was a Muslim?
    
    Also the person responsible for saving the lives of those trapped at the Jewish supermarket by the terrorists was a Muslim?
    
    You need at some stage remove your blinkers of vile bigotry and hate.
    
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    December 24, 2020 5:07pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      So……what’s your point? One law abiding muslim police officer does not negate the murdering muslim extremists.
      We know that there are good law abiding muslims – not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims – or violent leftists a small minority.
      
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      December 24, 2020 7:30pm
      - SB2
        
        Doc Beckett, put it like this some terrorists happen to be Muslim but the overwhelming majority are not.
        
        Like those shot ,killed and wounded at Christchurch
        
        Now carefully think about that one.
        
        DUH!
        
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        December 24, 2020 8:51pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      As it happens yes I was aware of that fact, so fucking what?
      
      Your predictably false logic falls over at the very first opportunity. Do you genuinely believe that one (or two, or three, or a billion) Muslim who doesn’t believe that murder is a rational and proportionate response to some cartoons of a pedophile, somehow negates the actions of the murderous idiots that actually did go and execute the Charlie Hebdo team?
      
      You may as well say, in defence of racist statements, “some of my best friends are black” or in your case, when defending your own rank stupidity “some of my best friends got School C.”
      
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      December 24, 2020 7:34pm
- MCos
  
  It’s one thing to publish a newspaper with provocative images; it’s another to plaster them on the mosque.
  BTW
  According to the article he was charged with possession of a knife, not pasting up images as you say.
  
  There’s a problem here. If anyone can paste images anywhere, where does it all end?
  There’s probably not an awful lot of people who particularly want to go round pasting up this sort of stuff, but if it turns out the police can’t touch them there are an awful lot of would be street artists ready to spray paint anything thing in sight with impunity.
  
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  December 24, 2020 9:59pm
SB2

Last minute gift idea the seminal book by Trump’s niece Mary Trump,

https://www.politico.eu/article/9-details-from-the-new-book-by-donald-trumps-niece/

Who not only predicted her Uncle’s presedential demise but has predicted on Inaugeration day he will have a mega rally annoucing his Presedential candiacy 2024

Also the launching his Trump TV which will propably absorb Newsmaxx and OAM with backing from his millions of deluded supporters.

Though his launch could be confounded by a stint at Rikers Island.
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December 24, 2020 12:42pm
- kowtow
  
  Whatever about a seminal Trump book I still wonder what ever happened to Clinton’s totties’ seminal dress .
  
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  December 24, 2020 1:25pm
  - SB2
    
    Seminal? Stormy Daniels on What It Was Like Boning Donald Trump,
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMF59zUB900
    
    LOL
    
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    December 24, 2020 1:49pm
    - ByGolly
      
      Pair of clowns.
      
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      December 25, 2020 12:11am
  - JibberJabber
    
    The Smithsonian probably has it .
    
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    December 24, 2020 2:21pm
  - Mike
    
    It’s in the national archives, along with Stormy’s copy of Forbes Magazine.
    
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    December 24, 2020 2:57pm
- Inandout
  
  SB2, or a striped overall for Hunter.
  https://trends.gab.com/item/5fe3c3d54f5da72fc587d1d4
  
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  December 24, 2020 2:07pm
  - SB2
    
    Inandout, not at all but I would say Jonathan Turley eyes suggest he is a tad unhinged
    
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    December 24, 2020 4:49pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Pot — kettle.
      
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      December 24, 2020 7:31pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      You’d recognise the look, I’m sure.
      
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      December 24, 2020 7:35pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I think she also predicted you leaving school at the age of 9, based on your spelling, word salad and general stupidity. Merry Christmas.
  
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  December 24, 2020 3:20pm
Maggie Pie

What’s everybody got planned for lunch tomorrow?

I’ve had the local Deli prepare us a ‘Turducken’.
Picked it up this morning ….cost a small fortune. They reckon it takes about 5 hours to cook @180, so fingers crossed it turns out okay. Will probably do my fab crispy roasties, pumpkin, leeks, and buttered peas to go with it. Apparently the pan- juices will make about 2 liters of gravy.
Follow that with a store bought NY Cheesecake topped with fresh rasberry sauce. All washed down with a magnum or two of Moet.
If there’s anything left over, I might do what I did last year, pack it in one of those polystyrene bins and uber it to The City Mission.
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December 24, 2020 12:50pm
- alex Masterley
  
  It was going to be a quiet Christmas day at home until there was some insurrection in the ranks.
  We are now going to the squaddy for the Christmas lunch which on the strength of previous years should e opretty good.
  
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  December 24, 2020 1:00pm
- kowtow
  
  This year the Media Pardy won’t be able to run any stories shaming Asian tourists for turning up at the Missions , doing the needy out of a meal.
  
  I wonder if they’ll ever apologise over that overt racism…….
  
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  December 24, 2020 1:24pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Surely it’ll be tacked onto the apology for blaming Auckland’s housing crisis on people with Chinky-sounding names.
    
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    December 24, 2020 3:17pm
alex Masterley

It’s just under 12 hours till Christmas day.
I hope everyone has done their Christmas shopping and are sitting down to an afternoon of relaxation with friends and family.
I want to wish DPF and his family as well as all the commenters on Kiwiblog a merry and enjoyable Christmas as well as a happy New Year.
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December 24, 2020 12:59pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  From work I hear, the a.m. shift’re already seeing the injurious results of shopping frenzy and last-minute D.I.Y.ism… by the time I start the p.m. shift, I expect such glorious Darwinistic activity will be in full flow!
  
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  December 24, 2020 1:39pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…

‘Kim Dotcom tells President Trump to stick Pardon up his arse’

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1341716824031862785

(….or words to that effect 😀 )
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December 24, 2020 2:32pm
- Nickc2
  
  Who cares what the fat German slob thinks. If he had any decency whatsoever, he would volunteer to get out of my country and fuck off back to Germany and take his chances. Frau Merkel my give him a pardon if he greases the skids for her political party.
  
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  December 24, 2020 2:39pm
  - chukar
    
    How much has that man cost the taxpayer so far?
    
    He should apologise and leave.
    
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    December 24, 2020 7:06pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Apologise is too woke! Pay the money back.
      
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      December 24, 2020 8:54pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  Someones upset they didnt get a pardon.
  
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  December 24, 2020 3:09pm
  - Mike
    
    Pardons are only for war criminals and Trumpy’s pals.
    
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    December 24, 2020 5:02pm
- RJ
  
  Bubba has no need to worry, he won’t be getting a pardon.
  
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  December 24, 2020 3:53pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Maggie.
  
  Kim Dotcom has a point, as does Nicholas Carteron immediately below him – see also his blogpost at: https://ncarteron.medium.com/all-the-presidents-pardons-f81d5b39829c.
  
  Trump is abusing his constitutional power of pardon. It should indeed be abolished, as Carteron suggests, and replaced with a bipartisan committee, with very tightly-defined guidelines whereby pardons / prerogatives of mercy would be few and far between (as they are, for example, in New Zealand).
  
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  December 24, 2020 3:54pm
  - Inandout
    
    Steve, you mean like a bipartisan committee to look at voting irregularities, with tightly defined guidelines? I would go along with that then.
    
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    December 24, 2020 4:36pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Sorry, Inandout. Such a committee is not necessary.
      
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      December 24, 2020 6:29pm
  - Stu2
    
    Yes it’s an outrage – Trump is busily pardoning his convicted cronies, who attempted to cover for him.
    
    That is not what the pardoning power is for, it is for righting injustice. What is in the constitution is not proof against someone of his ilk.
    
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    December 24, 2020 4:45pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, it looks like KDC’s final appeal now will be to our own MOJ Kris Faafoi, in the hope he will exercise his power under New Zealand’s prerogative of mercy.
    Kim will be hoping Kris’s Germanic ancestry may play some part in the decision perhaps?
    
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    December 24, 2020 5:07pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Oh, Maggie! You’re incorrigible.
      
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      December 24, 2020 5:23pm
  - mainlander
    
    Well Clinton set the precedent when he pardoned Marc Rich. Complained loudly about that did you?
    
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    December 24, 2020 5:57pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yeah, that definitely set a precedent for pardoning war criminals and personal cronies.
      
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      December 24, 2020 6:53pm
      - mainlander
        
        Yeah well, we all know it’s different when the left do it. Rich was on the FBI’s most wanted list of criminal fugitives; right up there with Osama Bin Laden. But then his former wife donates to the Democrat Party and the Clinton Library and whaddaya know, a pardon. You were saying something about cronies…
        
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        December 24, 2020 10:16pm
Master Mariner

Been waiting for this and nnot really following as closely as should.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/12/royal-caribbean-takes-legal-action-against-white-island-survivors-to-stop-them-suing-in-us-courts.html
To do with Australian Law Suits.
However I’d like to know the compensation paid by (P & I Club) in the US.
It comes down to the Registry of the vessel, ie the country of which Laws are followed. ( Without Looking into it, It will likely be a “Flag of convenience” .
Interesting, Going to be some serious Pay outs.
Think again , If taking Passengers of Cruise ships and the Insurance premiums you must have before being a tourist operator. Will be no longer viable I’m guessing.
Tick of cruise ships and paying passengers in NZ for High Risk activities.
The cases to follow will be the US citizens.
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December 24, 2020 2:41pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bO_q9s0DBA

XIONG’AN: The New Chinese Capital of XI Jinping.

The presitator wants to transfer some government departments
To iong’an. It will be full of government offices and civil
Servants. No business parks. So, it’ll have to be paid for by central government.
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December 24, 2020 2:42pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynn1YfSi5Ew

No Chinese Dalai Lama.

The US has passed a bill saying that only the Tibetan government
In eile can choose the net Dalai Lama. Another defeat for the Presitator.
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December 24, 2020 2:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

After 40+ years of catering for Hubby’s Russian Xmas as he remembers from his childhood in Palmerston North (!)…. I have perfected cunning shortcuts..

I no longer spend 2 days baking kulich and pirozhki.

Instead of Kulich Hubby buys in 2-7 Panettone cakes and they might last through to Easter (depending on # of visitors).

For the pirozhki, I make up a modified version of F-in-law’s yeast dough recipe and only give it one rising…then I cut out large circles of dough for the cabbage/onion/boiled egg filling.

No-one seems to taste any difference between delicate little finger-sized dumplings and fist-sized pasties.

Means I’m done by early afternoon on Xmas Eve….and even had time to go swimming & lunch out.
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December 24, 2020 3:19pm
- Jack5
  
  Maggy I’ve enjoyed following your posts on Kiwiblog this year, and Merry Christmas to Dr and Dr Wassilieff!
  
  Do you mark Christmas a second time on 7 January?
  
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  December 24, 2020 4:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No
    
    The M-in-Law did tho’
    
    By the time I knew the F-in-Law, he had remarried and was becoming kiwified.
    
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    December 24, 2020 7:13pm
Wimpston peeders

Another covid death added to the tally…

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/covid-19-patient-kills-another-covid-19-patient-with-oxygen-tank-us-police-say/ar-BB1cbpts
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December 24, 2020 3:42pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123813937/elderly-man-left-black-and-blue-after-taki-road-rage-attack
Otaki.
About as feral as Christchurch and Hamilton.
What a bloody cowardly piece of shit to attack such an old man.
No description ?
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December 24, 2020 4:07pm
- Wimpston peeders
  
  No description so 100% not a white attacker, will be a methed up oppressed dude who hada rough upbringing due to systemic racism and colonization, no doubt cultural heritage will be mentioned in court and he will be ordered to recieve 10 lashings of cuddles and 3 months kindness.
  
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  December 24, 2020 4:32pm
  - MCos
    
    I saw two guy come to blows over a car park outside my house once.
    Both the old guy who tried to hit the young guy thru his window & keyed his car & the young guy who thumped him and left him on his arse in a state of bewilderment on the footpath were pakeha.
    It was over in a flash before anyone could intervene, least of all the police who came along asking questions the next day.
    The young guy came by as well a couple of days latter looking for witnesses, but I has no sympathy for him so I told him I saw nothing. He’d whipped in and pinched the space while the old guy was about to back in.
    The point of that wee story is that road rage can effect anyone.
    
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    December 24, 2020 9:28pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Sounds like the old man, by his own admission, was driving even slower than an 81-year old normally drives, which is very bloody slow, while he was looking for his motel – the one with the flashing neon sign, I’m guessing.
  
  When he was tooted at, with some justification, instead of holding his hand up to acknowledge inconveniencing another road user and as a quick and very effective form of apology, he decided to escalate it and totted back.
  
  He then exchanged words and again by his own account gave as good as he got, and was then punched throw the window. Yes it was cowardly, no it should never happen, yes the perpetrator is an idiot, no, inconveniencing someone is never an excuse for violence.
  
  However he was in some part the author of his own misfortune.
  
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  December 24, 2020 4:33pm
  - Inandout
    
    Lodden, probably woudn’t happen in the US quite like that. Firearms are sometimes handy for old timers.
    
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    December 24, 2020 4:48pm
  - SB2
    
    Obviously devoid of any kind of moral feeling and empathy .From the link,
    
    A week after, he has only just been able to open his jaw and said he is looking forward to being able to eat some Christmas pudding.
    
    “It’s absolutely cruel, especially to someone 81 bloody years of age … There are some nice people out there, but also some terrible ones … all I want to do is stop it from happening to anyone else,” he said.
    
    A police spokeswoman said inquiries into the circumstances of the incident are ongoing.
    
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    December 24, 2020 5:11pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yep, I wonder if he’s playing through different scenarios in his head, wondering if he could’ve handled it better?
      
      You might try it every now and then. Self-reflection is a wonderful thing, but it must be in the presence of self-awareness so….
      
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      December 24, 2020 7:37pm
  - greybeard
    
    Loddensometimesdoesnotthink.
    
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    December 24, 2020 6:19pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I think a lot old timer, just my opinions are sometimes different from yours. Merry Christmas.
      
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      December 24, 2020 7:43pm
quarterpack

How sad……..in these circumstances and in these times of meth fueled madness you are probably best to wind up windows and call the law
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December 24, 2020 4:22pm
Jack5

The U.K. and the E.C. are about to announce a trade deal.

The Times reports:

Downing Street sources said the deal would give British companies “zero-tariff, zero-quota” access to EU markets with no role for the European Court of Justice in policing the agreement. It would be the biggest trade deal signed by either side, worth £668 billion.

Parliament is expected to be recalled after Christmas to ratify the agreement before December 31.
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December 24, 2020 4:22pm
Chuck Bird

The murderer got an extre 3 year added on for rape to his non parole period in Oz. If it can be done in Oz it can be done here even if it means a law change.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/02/murderer-sean-price-sentenced-to-extra-three-years-in-jail-for
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December 24, 2020 5:03pm
- SB2
  
  “..The sentence takes his total jail term to 41 years and means the 33-year-old will now not be eligible for parole until after 39 years and five months.”
  
  Sean Price has obviousaly got along tome to think about his evil and terrible actions.
  
  In many US State jurisdictions, it would be life without ever the possibily of parole.
  
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  December 24, 2020 5:17pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Another low life rapist-killer got 40 year non-parole in Oz. That would not happen here.
    
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    December 24, 2020 7:52pm
    - marleybob
      
      They are OUR rapist and murderers Chuck, They are nothing like those bad nasty rapist and murderers in OZ,…. We are kind, give hugs etc.
      
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      December 24, 2020 8:33pm
- Bob
  
  We don’t need a Law change, just a change of attitude by some of those who sit in judgement on the Bench; far too many ‘activists’ with their own political and social agenda.
  
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  December 24, 2020 8:03pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Bob, some with more legal knowledge than I on KB seemed to think it needed a law change. I do not care if they are right or wrong.
    
    If they have longer sentences for these scum we should and could here.
    
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    December 24, 2020 9:12pm
Inandout

Dr Who is destined for the garbage bin. David Tennant was probably the last Dr who was watchable, then the present writer Chris Chibnall took the series to sickly woke. The final episode of the 12th series of the BBC’s sci-fi show attracted a TV audience of just 4.6 million.
This is just below the previous all-time low of 4.7 million, which was set by an episode in 2017.
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December 24, 2020 5:51pm
- Fletch
  
  Yup, although I quite enjoyed Matt Smith, particularly the 50th show with Smith and Tennant. I dipped out with Capaldi though, and stayed away when the female one started. I understand it was a wise decision, with the shows becoming woke.
  
  Hopefully one day they’ll get back to basics.
  
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  December 24, 2020 8:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well it is time for BBQ and the spa outside, Merry Christmas to DPF and those who post here (including all of the trolls)
Not a nice year, but we should stop moaning. There are many that can not come home for Christmas.
So I will not turn this political.
Now is Jaspinda in NZ or some other Island?
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December 24, 2020 6:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Who is this ‘Jaspinda’ girl you seem to have the hots for?
  
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  December 24, 2020 6:50pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Mike! On Friday night, 11 December, at General Debate, I asked him an almost identical question, being—
    
    “Who is this ‘Jaspinda’ you keep referring to? What does the word, “Jaspinda” mean?”
    
    His reply the following morning was—
    
    “It’s a Jacinda that spins bullshit[.]”
    
    Charming man, eh?
    
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    December 24, 2020 8:11pm
Maggie Pie

Just shot over to ‘Fruit World’. Cherries $68 for a 2kg box.

And hey, let’s not forget whose Birthday it is tomorrow!

“MERRY XMAS TO ALL….& STAY AWESOME” 😀
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December 24, 2020 6:50pm
- RJ
  
  So true, happy birthday to Annie Lennox for tomorrow
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCdneDxFRYQ
  
  Unless you mean Justin Trudeau, then just for Justin
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFE6qQ3ySXE
  
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  December 24, 2020 7:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Brian’s – silly!! 😀
    
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    December 24, 2020 8:07pm
RJ

Democrat political strategist Damien Thaddeus Jones, who served as regional political director for Beto O’Rourke’s U.S. Senate campaign, has come forward to blow the whistle on a massive voter fraud ring in Harris County, Texas. The voter fraud ring is overseen by Dallas Jones, who served as Texas Political Director for the Joe Biden presidential campaign.

https://nationalfile.com/exclusive-audio-democrat-whistleblower-exposes-biden-campaign-voter-fraud-operation/
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December 24, 2020 7:22pm
- SB2
  
  The claim appears to originate with a Patrick Howley formerly with Breitbart but now his start up Big League Politics that specialises peddling conspiracy theories of which Damien Thaddeus Jones is the latest victim of Howley’s bile..
  
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  December 24, 2020 8:40pm
wilderbeast

Fool me for breaking a virtuous habit and actually watching one news tonight. Long enough to see our great leader exclaim the world coral reef conference to be held in NZ in 5 years time – big deal, apparently, $6m earner. Siouxie Wiles then chimed in. My local 4 Square, and hundreds like it nationwide turn over more than $6m every year. But I guess 4 Square stores don’t scream “trendy”or “climate change”….
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