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Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

‘Christmas’ as we know it has been cancelled.

How is the rest of the world going to make ChyNaa pay?
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December 20, 2020 8:07am
- Simon
  
  China didnt cancel Christmas. All the misfortunes are caused by cretins like Ardern Johnsons Merkel Cuomo etc etc.
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:11am
  - igm
    
    China may not have cancelled Christmas, but here in NZ “Warehouse” have.
    Called in yesterday and noticed no reference to Christmas anywhere to be seen. Seems they have capituated to Islam and Ardern.
    Do they not realise NZ was built on hard work, Christian values, and decency . . . not Communism, Islam, and self-enttitlement!
    
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    December 20, 2020 8:42am
    - Fletch
      
      Really? I have been there multiple times in the past few weeks and they have aisles and aisles of Christmas decorations for sale. Or do you mean the general decor of the store?
      
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      December 20, 2020 9:47am
      - igm
        
        Yes, really. No stock (possibly run out), but all they have displayed is “Happy Holiday” type rubbish.
        
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        December 20, 2020 11:25am
      - RJ
        
        Perhaps the stock is on a boat waiting to dock but can’t because Auckland can’t run a port
        
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        December 20, 2020 12:15pm
    - RJ
      
      Christmas is alive and well in our warehouse and on the website
      
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      December 20, 2020 9:56am
  - kowtow
    
    Wuflu is not the problem . It’s gubmint intervention that’s f#cking everything up.
    
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    December 20, 2020 8:45am
    - amospicton
      
      I agree kowtow – the major problem is not the virus it’s the response to the virus. That was a choice and we made a choice that has consequences.
      
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      December 20, 2020 10:51am
- muppeth8r
  
  Well mags we still pay chy naa shitloads for plastic crap to wrap up and put under a tree, there will be no accountability on chinas behalf as they own alot of our politicians and besides that “china is asshole!”
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:16am
- Happychappy
  
  While China might have a lot to answer for you can’t blame incompetence and lies that other Governments have portrayed on them alone. Anyone prepared to hazard a guess in this country to how much will be paid out in special Grant’s over Xmas to those poor people that have helped create a record of spending for this this period to help our Government gloat and predict that there plan for the economy is working.
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:18am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  It is a mistake to blame this solely on China. Most of the world’s leaders are complicit in the plan. Or why else would they be using a test which they know is not fit for purpose, and claim a world pandemic when no country has a significant increase in mortality compared to previous years?
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:22am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    China locked down domestic travel hard and early yet at the very same time allowed – encouraged – millions of WuPox vectors to fly internationally. Simultaneously with their domestic travel ban. Saying that the blame does not lie solely with China is in my view akin to saying the kids molested at the Labour camp deserved it as their clothes were too tight and they drank too much.
    
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    December 20, 2020 10:59am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Just to clarify…….that was response given to BBC World Service radio reporter when interviewing Carol Singing Busker on the streets of London.
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:44am
Kiwi_in_Paris

Seeing as all the leaders of the Western capitalist Christian democracies are reading from the same script, I imagine the “new strain” of Covid will be coming to a Kiwi town near you soon.

French leak (new Covid strain scheduled for February):

https://twitter.com/CharlotteDBNN/status/1339978808670216192/photo/1
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December 20, 2020 8:12am
- muppeth8r
  
  Looks like fake crap TBH but who knows with our power hungry leaders.
  
  Covid 21 will equal the great revolt of the people, will only take a couple of countries or regions to say enough is enough and mass dissobedience will ensue and likely provoke a massive OTT oppressive response.
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:28am
- krazykiwi
  
  Across the channel, Boris has just invented a new ‘Tier 4’ citing a ‘new mutation’ which has already been detected in two other countries. He declined to name them. This is orchestrated and we are being manipulated.
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:31am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yeah nah, I strongly suspect Hanlon’s Razor is in play here: “never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
    
    No way Boris or his team are clever enough to think of this, and to what end?
    
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    December 20, 2020 3:55pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Complete with a “new vaccine” to deal with it.
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:52am
lazza

Chy Naa?

Oh I get it.

With “their” langrage difficulties … just a cute way of not upsettiing “them”.?
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December 20, 2020 8:14am
- David George
  
  No you don’t get it.
  It’s a light hearted imitation of the way President Trump says China.
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:24am
  - IC5000
    
    Trump? Yesterday’s man.
    
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    December 20, 2020 8:51am
    - Harriet
      
      LOL Trump isn’t going to die anytime soon —- or get stabbed in the back and killed off.
      
      Biden is the literal useful idiot.
      
      How’s the Comrade in Chief of your armed services going?
      
      Do the NZ army like it on the other side of history ?
      
      NZ? Today’s international woke joke. 😎
      
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      December 20, 2020 3:47pm
  - kowtow
    
    “They” do it themselves . Not racist . Purely political , and very high stakes.
    
    ‘But Leung refused to stick to the script, telling the chamber his loyalties lay with a place he referred to as “the People’s Republic of Shina”. Shina is an archaic and derogatory way of referring to China in Japanese.’
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/12/hong-kong-pro-democracy-oath-snub-china
    
    But some people insist on seeing everything through a neo Marxist prism of race/gender/identity politics , which we know is simply a tactic to stifle debate and our ancient freedom, right and liberty of free speech.
    
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    December 20, 2020 9:03am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Probably best not to throw the Trolls any scraps David 😀
    
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    December 20, 2020 9:03am
  - Liberty
    
    It’s a bit like saying Trump comes from t mythical Deliverance county.
    
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    December 20, 2020 10:39am
mikenmildagain

Happy International Human Solidarity Day!
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December 20, 2020 8:14am
- muppeth8r
  
  Hey Fonzie its sunday.
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:29am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What’s a “Human”?
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:34am
  - muppeth8r
    
    The biggest scourge on our planet.
    
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    December 20, 2020 8:48am
Simon

Geez it’s cold in Japan / Korea.

Man made climate change, snow is a thing of the past so fake. The clowns have moved onto a fake pandemic.
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December 20, 2020 8:16am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Is it nice to live in your alternative reality?
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:27am
  - David George
    
    The all time record breaking snowfall – almost two metres in 48 hours in Japan isn’t alternative reality; more an uncomfortable reality for the end of snow, climate emergency, Muppets I suspect.
    Snow down to 600 metres in the south Island a few days ago as well. Jacinda’s declaration of a CC emergency saved us just in time.
    
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    December 20, 2020 9:43am
    - Harriet
      
      ‘….Jacinda’s declaration of a CC emergency saved us just in time….”
      
      How that sort of shit gets to stay on Hansard with no questions asked is fucken beyond me.
      
      Canberra is the same — MP’s are on record talking of ‘evidence’ only to later being proved entirely wrong………….there is a pattern of that happening.
      
      Governor Generals of the Commonwealth are piss weak —- cold/warm it doesn’t fucken matter! 😎
      
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      December 20, 2020 4:00pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The Japan Sea side of Honshu gets heavy snow each year, but this year it’s heavier than usual.
  
  Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySY9ulHi9r8
  
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  December 20, 2020 12:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

When even the Left are calling Jacinda Ardern out over her protection of Trevor Mallard, you can be sure that it’s not all Happy Families in Labour land.

New Zealand’s Jacinda Ardern has taken a harder line with other Labour ministers whose ‘mistakes’ were arguably less serious that those of Speaker Trevor Mallard.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/18/jacinda-ardern-should-make-speaker-trevor-mallard-pay-the-price-for-his-costly-mistake
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December 20, 2020 8:26am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  The worst thing about this mess is that it might mean an opportunity lost to address the toxic workplace culture in parliament. Ironically, it was the speaker himself taking that action:
  
  I acknowledge the courage and ambition of the sponsor of this Review, the Speaker of the New Zealand House of Representatives (Speaker). His determination to make Parliament a healthier, happier and more respectful workplace has been a constant over the five months of the Review.
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:32am
  - GT Build
    
    That from the biggest bully in the place the duck is dead in the water
    
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    December 20, 2020 9:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, we know, MMA.
    
    It’s called a cover-up; aka deflection, “look, a squirrel”…
    
    A technique we see used by the left and its trolls day after day after day.
    
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    December 20, 2020 9:06am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      You think Mallard commissioned a report into bullying and harassment in order to cover up the bullying and harassment?
      That’s impressive, even for you.
      
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      December 20, 2020 9:17am
      - The Housekeeper
        
        You’ve got to admit MMA, it’s bloody ironic that the biggest bully in Parliament commissioned a report into bullying. He knew his accusation was false for over a year. Was the bullying and power trip of ruining a man’s life just too much fun to resist?
        
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        December 20, 2020 11:03am
- Happychappy
  
  Wow that must have burnt Mallard and well done Clare Robinson, the shame is there is not enough Journalists is the NZ media prepared to produce facts on why the Speaker should resign and do the job the way they are supposed to without bias.
  
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  December 20, 2020 9:10am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Mallard knows where all the lawnmowers are buried.
  
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  December 20, 2020 9:25am
- Paulus
  
  Remember the New Zealand column writer of the UK Guardian is based in Auckland and is I believe an employee of the dreadful Herald.
  So what do you expect – he does what Ardern dictates.
  [Mod. Note: The writer is a ‘she’ – Claire Robinson]
  
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  December 20, 2020 1:14pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Professor Claire Robinson is a Pro-VC of Massey Uni
    https://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/expertise/profile.cfm?stref=038530
    
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    December 20, 2020 2:13pm
SB2

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A highly amusing side show to the US Presidential election is the role of the ex President’s hot gospel spiritual advisory corp, Paula King and Kenneth Copeland ( worth US $ 5 Million and a reputed $ 670 million respectively ).

Trump’s victory prayer :Paula White,

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-54827034

Pro-Trump Televangelist Laughs at News Biden Won U.S. Election

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/kenneth-copeland-biden-trump-election-b1719273.html

Feedback on these mega meltdowns would be most appreciated

BTW Televangelist Copeland also claimed that Trump’s recovery from the Covid 19 virus was proof Christians were immune to the virus .
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December 20, 2020 8:26am
- mandk
  
  Ex-president?
  
  You are talking about Obama.
  
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  December 20, 2020 9:19am
Yvette

As Maggi Wassilieff mentions, the left’s Guardian is neither impressed with Mallard or Ardern –

Mallard claims he realised his error 24 hours after making the claim back in 2019. So why did it take 18 months for him to admit he made a mistake? – Guardian, UK [1]

MALLARD: I DID NOT CONNECT COMPLAINTS TO MAN
Proceedings were brought against Mallard by a parliamentary staffer, who said he felt bullied out of Parliament by the Speaker after Mallard falsely described allegations of “sexual assault” as rape.
Mallard had been discussing a complaint of a “sexual assault” contained in the Debbie Francis review of Parliament on Radio NZ in 2019, when he said he interpreted that as rape.
“We are talking about serious sexual assault, well that, for me, that is rape. That is the impression I get from the report,” Mallard said.

Mallard said he had not connected these allegations to this individual in that interview – and he had not known about the case.

But later in the day when a new investigation was opened and the man was stood down, Mallard did say a danger to women had been removed from the building.

He said he did not settle the matter earlier as the man accusing him of defamation was seeking $450,000 – about three times what he eventually received. [2]

It is understood so far the staffer has had his legal fees paid, that being “what he eventually received”, as above. Action is apparently still to come on “damages”.

Mallard acknowledged his mistake was in saying that the allegations against the individual … amounted to rape, that his understanding of the definition of rape at that time was incorrect and that the alleged conduct did not amount to rape. [1] but also admits that Mallard had not connected these allegations to this individual in that [first] interview – and he had not known about the case [2]

So he didn’t really know what he was saying at the time and of whom. But could have fixed it 24 hours later but publicly admitting that.

The longer the prime minister continues to protect a man who has breached the standards other ministers have been sacked for, the longer it will take for Francis’ goals to be achieved. [1]

Ardern should be aware of that.

Dinghy Pattinson sits behind the desk in what used to be Pike River chief executive Peter Whittall’s office … Scrawled on his window are sayings, including, in capitals: “The standard you walk past is the standard you accept!” [3]

Ardern should be aware of that, as well

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/18/jacinda-ardern-should-make-speaker-trevor-mallard-pay-the-price-for-his-costly-mistake
[2] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300185297/speaker-trevor-mallard-says-he-almost-immediately-regretted-rape-comment
[3] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/the-pike-re-entry-and-the-power-of-hope
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December 20, 2020 8:41am
muppeth8r

Im being a lazy bastard this morning and chilling in bed for a tad, upon reading one of wifeys poster thingies hanging on the wall i think it can apply to many of the social problems today esp housing and raising children.

“If you dont sacrifice for what you want, What you want becomes the sacrifice”

I think those that dont understand and grasp that concept are the ones that blame everyone else for their failings and fill with envy.
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December 20, 2020 8:46am
Maggie Pie

Further to my above post, a shop owner in London’s Carnaby Street had this to say when interviewed by the same BBC reporter….”Let’s remember the politicians whose shuttin’ businesses down ave’nt missed a payday yet”
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December 20, 2020 8:55am
Swifty

You’re a young legionary, somewhere in Western Europe, around 50AD, you’re marching through some cold, misty, wet forest that seems to go for days at a time.

You’ve had word that you should expect to run into the locals any day now and you hear just over the next hill and edging closer:

https://youtu.be/dEQsM4SApQs?t=48

(Close your eyes once you hit play…)
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December 20, 2020 8:55am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The video said “music starts at 0:45” but that must have been a mistake. There wasn’t any music at all, just a horrible sound of an animal in extreme distress.
  
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  December 20, 2020 4:03pm
  - Swifty
    
    “.. just a horrible sound of an animal in extreme distress…”
    
    Presaging what was about to happen to the Romans possibly…
    
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    December 20, 2020 4:58pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I have just watched a video of the Three Lost Legions of Varus and that playing in the forest would have scared the beejesus out of anyone.
  
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  December 20, 2020 4:05pm
  - Swifty
    
    I reckon, especially those very low notes.
    
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    December 20, 2020 4:59pm
Ultima

Sick of TVNZ’s coverage of the AM Cup, its like a daytime show, and Te Reo class, to fill in the time until 6pm news. Jack Tame should stick to his day job. Much better to use the official AM Cup stream on Youtube to get proper yacht racing coverage.
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December 20, 2020 8:59am
- muppeth8r
  
  If jake tame is appearing on something its a garunteed te reo word salad.
  
  Its e very sure fire way to make anything unwatchable.
  
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  December 20, 2020 9:08am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    That’s quite a letter salad you have there yourself, muppet-man.
    
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    December 20, 2020 4:04pm
- Nickc2
  
  Shall do, I’m fed up with people commenting on NZTV1 who know SQUAT about sailing.
  
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  December 20, 2020 9:25am
  - RJ
    
    Which is the whole team almost. Worst hosting team we’ve ever had.
    
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    December 20, 2020 11:24am
    - Nickc2
      
      What’s the bet they are mates of Kris Faafoi?
      
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      December 20, 2020 11:57am
- jp_1983
  
  The thing that annoys me with TVNZ coverage is the constant cutting to the crowd in the viaduct at crucial race moments.
  
  Are they doing it on the YouTube coverage?
  
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  December 20, 2020 9:26am
  - RJ
    
    With these boats and the fact something can happen within a second, there should be not cutting away from the race
    
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    December 20, 2020 11:24am
calendar girl

Of course Speaker Mallard should be required to meet the costs of his own personally-induced legal problems. But we can assume that Ms Ardern, as flexible and tribal a Prime Minister as NZ has seem in decades, will not require her Labour Party colleague to pay.

The “Guardian” article, highlighted above at 8:41am by Yvette, is well worth a read.
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December 20, 2020 9:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  The Guardian is always well worth a read. except if you disagree with an article – then it’s ‘fake news’.
  
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  December 20, 2020 9:20am
  - wilderbeast
    
    I admire your persistence Mike. Deliberately picking fights with people you know arent like you, every day, takes some doing. But haven’t you got better things to do with your time?
    
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    December 20, 2020 5:29pm
WaynelSexton

Will be wild!
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1340185773220515840
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December 20, 2020 9:16am
barnacle bill

China do not care about anyone but themselves.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/chinas-aggressive-fishing-fleet-heading-for-australia-amid-trade-war/news-story/0175fe917c15096633b8b1bf6048522b
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December 20, 2020 9:18am
Inandout

Coming back to KB after a week of outside work I am confronted by the US government having experienced a massive cyber attack, only recently discovered. It could have been going on for 6 months and some software is so ‘tainted’ it may as well be scrapped. At present the Russians have been fingered, but who knows if China may also have been involved?
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December 20, 2020 9:22am
- fernglas
  
  Now I know who you are. Trump just said the exact same thing. You are his alter ego. And your pen name is perfectly chosen.
  
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  December 20, 2020 10:45am
- Maggie Pie
  
  FOX reports President Trump as saying definately not the Russians – pointing finger at China as being the culprit.
  
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  December 20, 2020 10:48am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well, that just confirms it was Russia…
    
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    December 20, 2020 10:52am
- RJ
  
  They’re both right, the venerability has been used For months, it looks like a number of countries hackers used it
  
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  December 20, 2020 11:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/inspiring-celebrities-spell-out-were-all-in-this-together-with-their-yachts?
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December 20, 2020 9:30am
Maggie Pie

The weather has been sooo beautiful the last few weeks that I thort I’d share my tip for a really fab Suntan with the group.

The secret is ‘Walnut Oil’. Not the cooking stuff you get from NW, no, head to a Health Food store and get a quality brand. It needs to be applied sparingly as it’s very greasy and tends to leave a slick in the pool if you’re not careful. And avoid the eyes. Other than that, one application lasts all day. And honestly, you’ve never seen such a deep dark tan like it. Even the neighbors started
to look worried. But I told them it’s all ok as i do get ‘Mole-Mapped’ regulary and never any signs.
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December 20, 2020 9:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  My goodness, you sound like a throwback to the 1960s when we searched high & lo for a bottle of olive oil to smear over our skin.
  
  Anyway, I completed the morning watering by 9am and I’ve retreated inside until 5-6pm when it will be safe for me to emerge.
  
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  December 20, 2020 9:56am
  - backster
    
    Are you sure its not just stain Maggie. My fingers always get stained picking up my walnuts and it is hard to remove.
    
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    December 20, 2020 1:51pm
  - Harriet
    
    In the 70’s in NZ women got some mad idea that applying your hair with BEER after shampoo did something better than conditioner.
    
    It probably started with the journo’s at Truth — who were mostly known for lying. 😎
    
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    December 20, 2020 4:22pm
- RJ
  
  Why would I want sun tan lotion, looks like our typical summer has started, 13 degrees with rain. It’s ok the news will have us hot and in a drought…
  
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  December 20, 2020 10:13am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Which part of Auckland are you RJ?
    Obviously not Remuera or Tindalls then.
    
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    December 20, 2020 10:41am
    - RJ
      
      Who would want to live in Auckland.
      
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      December 20, 2020 10:44am
- tf78
  
  Ha ha Maggie Pie – you may not have mole problems but watch out for Grovers Disease when you get older. I’ve got it, it’s not too temporary and drives you nuts.
  
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  December 20, 2020 1:52pm
Fletch

The full Navarro report on election irregularities.

https://bannonswarroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/The-Immaculate-Deception-12.15.20-1.pdf

From the findings of this report, it is possible to infer what may well have been a coordinated strategy to effectively stack the election deck against the Trump-Pence ticket. Indeed, the patterns of election irregularities observed in this report are so consistent across the six battleground states that they suggest a coordinated strategy to, if not steal the election, then to strategically game the election process in such a way as to unfairly tilt the playing field in favor of the Biden-Harris ticket.
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December 20, 2020 10:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

A brief review of some climate predictions that have 11 days left in which they could come true.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/12/18/wrong-again-2020s-failed-climate-doomsaying/
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December 20, 2020 10:03am
Jack5

“Race” has entered the gardening and botanical world, set off by an exchange on Twitter triggered by a British, ethnic-Chinese botanist, gardening writer, and BBC presenter.

He questioned the vogue for indigenous plants and trees in British gardening.

There are parallels with New Zealand, where some of the Woke would re-garden our cities with native plants.

Flax and toe toe can be attractive, as our native forests usually are, but so are Christchurch avenues of blossom trees.

James Wong posted in the internet exchange that British gardening was racist ’ because of its “fetishisation” of terms such as “heritage” and “native”.

The dust-up began with a poster challenging an article Wong had written for the Grauniad, in which Wong said:

While I absolutely understand that in a world of increasingly polarised and angry politics, plants might seem like an essential escape, why it is that gardening is not considered to be like any of the other art forms that are shaped by, and also shape, the political world around us?

The only logical conclusion is that if you believe gardening should be a politics-free zone, you don’t consider it a form of art on a par with music, sculpture or cinema, but instead just a sort of frivolous pursuit of decoration.

Wong said that he subsequently received “overtly racist and homophobic” internet comments with calls for him to be “hanged” or “torn apart”. However, he was “overwhelmed by a far, far greater number of supportive messages”.

Wong added he “had to confess to getting a bit emotional to see the Royal Horticultural Society and the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, both charities I gladly volunteer my time for, issue unequivocal public messages of support”.

You can read some of the Twitter exchange here:

https://healthyfrog.readsector.com/2020/12/13/bbc-presenter-james-wong-is-criticised-after-claiming-british-gardening-culture-is-racist/
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December 20, 2020 10:06am
- kowtow
  
  ‘“Race” has entered the gardening and botanical world,’
  
  No surprises there. Linnaeus has been attacked by any number of presumably Critical Theorists for being a racist/coloniser/ organiser of the natural world in accordance with Europe blah blah , for years.
  
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  December 20, 2020 12:42pm
  - Inandout
    
    Having watched “Two Fat Ladies’ on my TV, I quite enjoyed their quirkiness, but OMG they wouldn’t last 5 minutes on our Feelview.
    
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    December 20, 2020 1:17pm
  - Harriet
    
    White British people are indigenous, they are the first peoples. James Wong is ignorant — or an antagonistic arsehole.
    
    Anyway, how come British people don’t have the same rights as Jewish people, where under the internationally accepted law of Israel:
    
    “…. The Nation State Law asserts that Jewish citizens in Israel have the sole claim to national self-determination….”
    
    Most of what is said by western politicians today is antebellum. The ignorant call it ‘inclusion’. 😎
    
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    December 20, 2020 4:33pm
    - RichardX
      
      I guess we should be grateful that you spelt it correctly this time even if the thoughts are still nonsense.
      
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      December 20, 2020 8:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How reliable are the global temperatures determined for the past 170 years?

https://kaltesonne.de/wie-zuverlaessig-sind-die-ermittelten-globaltemperaturen-der-letzten-170-jahre/#more-62052
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December 20, 2020 10:08am
- rockape
  
  thanks for that.
  
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  December 20, 2020 10:10am
Fletch

The Amistad Report, which goes into the influence of private funding on the election.

https://got-freedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/HAVA-and-Non-Profit-Organization-Report-FINAL-W-Attachments-and-Preface-121420.pdf

Specifically, people like Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg who gave millions of dollars to organisations which tilted the election in favour of the Democrats.

Under those provisions, local governments would be required to return the CTCL donations if they failed to implement the more controversial and legally dubious elements of the plan, including the use of drop boxes to collect absentee ballots and the requirement that counting centers be consolidated in a way that made observation of the counting process by GOP observers more difficult.

The report focused heavily on how the CTCL used the $350 million donated to the 501 (c) (3) by Mark Zuckerberg and his wife between September 1, 2020 and October 21, 2020, particularly in urban areas in four key battleground states: Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.

The disparate impact of Zuckerberg funding is also present in the analysis of CTCL funding in Pennsylvania. Documents obtained through court order revealed communication between the City of Philadelphia and CTCL emphasizing that CTCL paid election judges in Philadelphia and other election officials. CTCL mandated Philadelphia to increase its polling locations and to use drop boxes and eventually mobile pick-up units. Moreover, Zuckerberg monies allowed Philadelphia to “cure” absentee ballots in a manner not provided for in Republican areas of the state.

In Democrat Delaware County, Pennsylvania, one drop box was placed every four square miles and for every 4,000 voters. In the 59 counties carried by Trump in 2016, there was one drop box for every 1,100 square miles and every 72,000 voters. Government encouraging a targeted demographic to turn out the vote is the opposite side of the same coin as government targeting a demographic to suppress the vote. This two-tiered election system allowed voters in Democrat strongholds to stroll down the street to vote while voters in Republican strongholds had to go on the equivalent of a “where’s Waldo” hunt.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/18/report-mark-zuckerbergs-419-million-non-profit-contributions-improperly-influenced-2020-presidential-election/

So, Zuckerburg and co basically gave money to states, but would take the money back unless it was used in the way they said by arranging things so it advantaged Democrats. I can’t see how this wasn’t illegal. Creating a two-tier voting system.

Democrats and their dirty tricks. Of course, you heard none of this in the media before.
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December 20, 2020 10:09am
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, I was amazed to hear the judges involved in the election issues didn’t want to ‘start riots or be targeted in their homes’ if they made any decisions to upset the Dems, BLM and Antifa. I can understand NZ judges being wary of being hunted by the disaffected, but surely US judges at Federal level have water tight security? If this is not the case then they are living in a Nazi/communist type environment of fear.
  
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  December 20, 2020 1:25pm
  - Batman
    
    No judges ever used that as a reason. That was all rumours from jilted MAGA types
    
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    December 20, 2020 4:44pm
Maggie Pie

For a bit of a larf, I posted ‘Sir Bob’s letter’ on Instagram yesterday 😀

So far, more than 800 “Likes” and already 90 comments – most of them complimentary to me.
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December 20, 2020 10:13am
- RJ
  
  I’m surprised because the old git couldn’t read what you wrote he hasn’t asked David to take his letter down showing either his inability to read or that he is an outright liar changing what you wrote
  
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  December 20, 2020 10:55am
  - muppeth8r
    
    Its just a sign/symptom of the fake news/ outrage era we live in. Forget what was said just spin it the way you want. … [Deleted – suggest you read the rules again, unless you want yet another holiday. Mod.]
    
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    December 20, 2020 12:01pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Now over 900 ‘likes’ and 130 comments! 😀
  Actually it’s amazing just how many people still love and respect Sir Bobby.
  
  The only one detractor was a comment posted by someone using the nom-de-plume…. ‘knucklehead3’ from Lower Hutt: “He can be a bit of a cantankerous old bastard”
  
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  December 20, 2020 1:09pm
rangitoto

I hear in the UK that if you have relatives visiting on Christmas day, the police can force entry to send them home. It’s a FREE service. Will Cindy bring it in here?
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December 20, 2020 10:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yes she will if there is an outbreak. Any excuse.
  Socialists do not relinquish their control without a fight – History
  
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  December 20, 2020 10:48am
- RJ
  
  Police have said they won’t be doing that
  
  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13526723/police-tier-4-wont-knock-doors-festive-bubbles-axed/
  
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  December 20, 2020 11:52am
lazza

Try searching the M of Health site for the damning report released late”.

It must be there? … only well hidden.

Help?

Footnote: For evidence of mass troughing, the Min of H’s executive list sure has dreamt up some fancy super salaried names for their “exec” – yeah right- positions.

How many of these turkeys to change a light bulb one wonders?.
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December 20, 2020 10:28am
- RJ
  
  Released 18th, publications only have things released up to the 17th, maybe they needed the weekend to work out how to upload it to the site.
  
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  December 20, 2020 10:52am
- Yvette
  
  lazza – 
  
  Full report
  https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20431935-final_report-of-advisory-committee-to-oversee-the-implementation-of-the
  
  recommendations and actions https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20431934-rochesimpson-progress-against-recs
  
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  December 20, 2020 11:25am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Words of wisdom from Reagan 1964. The Cuban said he was lucky to escape Socialism because he had somewhere to run to. If Socialism comes to the US, Americans have nowhere to run to.
Same for NZ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCM9NFN3u9s
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December 20, 2020 10:45am
- Fletch
  
  And this is the modern equivalent. Maximo Alvarez, founder of Sunshine Gasoline, whose family escaped from Cuba when he was young, said the same thing this year during the GOP conference. There is no place else to run to. And he could see echos of Castro in the Democrat party.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJnShBMG3uY
  
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  December 20, 2020 11:16am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    SB2, it would appear that many would disagree with you yet again.
    
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    December 20, 2020 12:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think this may have been the person that Reagan was quoting
    
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    December 20, 2020 1:04pm
oldfella

If you’ve ever wondered why the MSM is so protective towards Democrats who do wrong, it’s because they apply a different set of rules to the ones they use when judging Republicans.
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For a damaging story about a Democrat to be true, DNA must be found on a blue dress. There must be Blue Dress Proof™. It’s not enough to have a witness and a victim. It’s not enough to have a computer, a cache of validated emails, thousands of affidavits signed under the threat of perjury. There must be actual DNA, videotaped evidence. If the bad guy is a Democrat, there must be Blue Dress Proof.
https://spectator.org/election-democrats-blue-dress-proof/
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December 20, 2020 10:45am
- SB2
  
  I’ve always fancied Trump in Red Republican suit. and tie It would become of someone with his kind of bad taste in many things,
  
  https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/trump-style-dictator-autocrats-design-214877
  
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  December 20, 2020 12:12pm
  - Harriet
    
    You need just one little snippet of information from an undisclosed source and that is then enough evidence —– to impeach a Republican President. 😎
    
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    December 20, 2020 4:39pm
    - SB2
      
      And control of the senate helps also.
      
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      December 20, 2020 5:51pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Thanks, oldfella.
  
  Your link took me to this article, https://spectator.org/is-mass-immigration-killing-two-party-democracy-in-the-u-s/, which describes how modern-day immigration is turning the US into a one-party state, that party being The Democratic Party. It’s an interesting read.
  
  With Americans also abandoning religion, particularly Christianity, at a great rate of knots, the future does not look good for the Republican Party.
  
  Consequently, we can expect ever more frenetic gerrymandering of state and federal districts by Republican-majority state Houses during 2021/22 and 2031.
  
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  December 20, 2020 1:36pm
  - Harriet
    
    I was just reading yesterday Steve that progressives are very small in number in the US.
    Wealthy progressives vote for democrat liberal policy but hate the idea of increased taxes, and socialism. Cubans and blacks are also increasingly thinking the same in the democrats while others are leaving for the Republicans out of fear of socialism and taxes.
    
    All in all they said the Democrats are very restricted in what they can actually do once in government due to the VAST MAJORITY of their voters NOT wanting tax hikes, or socialism.
    
    AOC and Warren can think what they like but the power within the party doesn’t lay with them. Money talks and they aren’t talking money. 😎
    
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    December 20, 2020 4:50pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      I was just reading yesterday Steve that progressives are very small in number in the US.
      
      (Sigh. Again, no link.)
      
      Maybe, maybe not, Harriet. One thing is certain, people who vote Democrat are not small in number.
      
      AOC and Warren can think what they like but the power within the party doesn’t lay with them.
      
      Not right now, no. Give it 5-10 years, though, and things are likely to be very different.
      
      After all, time is on AOC’s side, not Nancy’s.
      
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      December 20, 2020 5:51pm
oldfella

If Angry Andy gets his way, we ‘Ayotearowans’, will need to be careful with how we express ourselves in case we say something rude and run foul of his planned new ‘hate speech’ legislation.
Spiked! reminds us how crazy it’s got the UK.
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While there is no crime yet of verbally disrespecting transgender people, any such attack is likely to be recorded by the police as a ‘non-crime hate incident’ (provided it is perceived by someone else as being motivated by hate). You probably will not be told this has happened, or that you now have a police record, but – and here’s the catch – anyone seeking an enhanced Disclosure and Barring Service check will. Suppose you later want to become a school governor, or take a job as a police officer, teacher or carer, well, your potential employers’ DBS check may well put a stop to that.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/16/rudeness-should-not-be-a-criminal-matter/
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December 20, 2020 11:24am
- Rich Prick
  
  Why is it that the trans are the most aggressive when it comes to enforcing their special treatment? Bathrooms, pronouns and “hate speech” … I’m sure it will end up being a long list of demands.
  
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  December 20, 2020 12:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    There’s also a lot of unfairness attached to it as well RP.
    Remember this….
    
    https://twitter.com/cckrch/status/843793559161573376
    
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    December 20, 2020 2:06pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Why? They all suffer from (at least one) mental disorder, that’s why. And the list of demands is growing.
    
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    December 21, 2020 6:05am
Brian McDonald

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Poor kiwi bloggers, nothing new to moan about so rehashing the Covid 19 conspiracies, fanboying the American duck, and damning the NZ one.
I could only be disappointed in Mallard if I’d ever expected better of him or any other politician, so a surprise that so many KBers are gritting their teeth. That’s why Judith’s complaints will always have a ring of insincerity she’s no gamekeeper yet and unlikely to ever be 1.
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December 20, 2020 12:05pm
- RJ
  
  Poor Brian, doesn’t like this blog but comes and moans each day, what a miserable life he must have to go to somewhere he doesn’t want to go.
  
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  December 20, 2020 12:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Japan dismantling Fukushima off-shore $580 Million Wind-power turbines – unprofitable.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/12/17/business/%C2%A560-billion-wind-power-project-dismantle/
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December 20, 2020 12:15pm
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  MW, that has not stopped the onging advance of generating wind power in other areas of Japan,
  
  Japan seeks massive jump in offshore wind power over 10 years
  
  Government aims to approve 1000MW a year as outdated coal power phased out
  
  https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Energy/Japan-seeks-massive-jump-in-offshore-wind-power-over-10-years2
  
  You are not suggesting the reestablishing of coal fire powered sations there and maybe eslewhere?
  
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  December 20, 2020 12:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You are not suggesting the reestablishing of coal fire powered sations there and maybe eslewhere?
    
    How observant of you.
    
    I didn’t suggest a damn thing, did I?
    
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    December 20, 2020 12:42pm
    - RJ
      
      Shouldn’t you know by now maggy the troll will just accuse you of everything it can?
      
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      December 20, 2020 12:44pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yes,
        
        I am aware that SB2 and his fellow trolls will try and ascribe thoughts and actions to me that I would never have dreamed of myself.
        
        Shows how out of touch they are with the life of little old ladies.
        
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        December 20, 2020 1:11pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Don’t feed the troll
      
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      December 20, 2020 1:06pm
      - tf78
        
        SO – Ignorance they say is bliss but ignoring is more blissful.
        
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        December 20, 2020 5:49pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Wind power will soon be obsolete except derived from troll who swim.
    
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    December 20, 2020 2:19pm
marcw

Discussing “The Persecution of George Pell” a new book by Keith Windschuttle, the author writes:

Gillard established the Royal Commission which did so much to impugn Pell’s reputation. “She wanted a public exercise that would define her as a committed crusader for social justice,” says Windschuttle. “In short, Gillard was exploiting the pain and suffering of the victims for her own self-interest.

(a Royal Commission that was set up after 2012 to investigate the alleged harmful Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse).

Which two of our Labour politicians’ motivations do you think this observation has also acutely accurately described?

Further discussion of the book is here
(1) https://thebfd.co.nz/2020/12/20/why-george-pell-was-found-guilty/
(2) https://quadrant.org.au/ (Essential Reading)
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December 20, 2020 12:57pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Yes, because politicians setting up inquiries into abuse could only ever be acting in their own selfish interests.
  
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  December 20, 2020 1:15pm
kiwikidsnz

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/433200/prime-minister-and-mp-salaries-capped-for-three-years
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December 20, 2020 1:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Looks like we are gonna run out of bridges to sell.
  Take this salary cap with a 40 ft container load of salt
  
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  December 20, 2020 2:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hey lefties, just for you. ‘Fight for Trump’
Careful, the ad is put together by Alex Jones and Infowars – LOL!
https://rumble.com/vc0vmf-president-dj-trump-ad.html?fbclid=IwAR0OXF98MiY1Qw7-qSYGLqS2QsV3glmfBvdWBdL5CD2z1sfDErEIq_5rzXw
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December 20, 2020 1:36pm
- SB2
  
  Seems like it. A hash of random and unconnected clips that would make Joseph Goebbels cringe .
  
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  December 20, 2020 5:43pm
Maggie Pie

A friend in the UK just txt….

‘Only 371 sleeps till Christmas’
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December 20, 2020 1:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Le Mans wheel change.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=3489340524436515
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December 20, 2020 1:47pm
- mandk
  
  I preferred the way those African kids did it.
  More style.
  
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  December 20, 2020 7:25pm
Martin Williams

Poor old Damien Grant. He can’t even apologise properly.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300187577/damien-grant-overwhelming-evidence-shows-i-was-the-worst-prognosticator-on-the-impact-of-covid
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December 20, 2020 4:10pm
- Swifty
  
  Unlike lefties, who can’t even apologise at all.
  
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  December 20, 2020 5:01pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I’ve heard him on the Magic Talk show with Bomber Bradley. His laugh makes my skin crawl 🙁
  
  Just saying.
  
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  December 20, 2020 5:20pm
lazza

Yvette

Muchos oblige’ … Thanks
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December 20, 2020 4:54pm
dave_c_

Ha ! A new strain of Covid in the UK –
I guess it’s a case of “If the population are not doing as we require them to do”, we’ll scare them more shitless than they already are, by upping the ante, and remove more freedom.
“New strain” – my ass !
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December 20, 2020 6:27pm
- SB2
  
  dave c, “New strain” – my ass ! ???
  
  Provide the evidence that proves differently?
  
  I take it you’re a Trump supporter?
  
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  December 20, 2020 8:48pm
  - alphabeatrium
    
    Why do you keep doing this “taking it” thing where you ascribe beliefs to people based on unrelated evidence?
    
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    December 20, 2020 9:16pm
  - sooty
    
    Yep. I agree you are an ass!
    
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    December 20, 2020 9:22pm
Swifty

Mongolian Throat Singing With My Daughter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAua3u3DXfU
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December 20, 2020 7:09pm
Swifty

When asked which song Keith Richards wishes he wrote, he answered “Are You Lonely For Me Baby” and here Freddie Scott’s original version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x-u3eWJa5E
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December 20, 2020 7:55pm
Swifty

Looking good for the Pakistani batsmen so far – and I’m sure Penut Buttijah and Mikhasabit Rusti will shape up well with the ball.
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