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Happychappy

Is this just another 3 Billionthat they will borrow to fix a problem of there own makingsthat will be added to the nearly 200 Billion they have already borrowed under the name of COVID-19.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300188106/government-dumps-damning-health-report-on-last-day-of-the-year
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December 19, 2020 8:01am
- Doctor Sigmund Freud
  
  Doctors in bed with Media in bed with Politicians.
  
  Same as in Nazi Germany where the doctors were first on-side.
  
  … [Deleted – putting a smiley face on offensive comments does not make it OK. Count this as a warning for a ban if you make these sort of comments again. Mod]
  
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  December 19, 2020 9:45am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Couldn’t have that come out BEFORE the election, now could we.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:16am
- Ruahine
  
  Other Peoples Money. Solves all problems. The Gov’t were doing such a crappy job, all just lies and charades. This is actually a failure of our sycophantic MSM who will not criticise the gov’t for fear of losing the taxpayer handout.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:32am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Most transparent government ever ???
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:57am
  - Harriet
    
    Letting everyone see that you are crap is transparency.
    
    It’s just different how the left does it. 😎
    
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    December 19, 2020 4:21pm
- softail 1450
  
  Happychappy ,what absolute sheep we are to allow this dump on the last day of parliament to continue, it’s been going on for decades and is now looked at with giggles and laughs despite it being an absolute fist in the face of the people, fricking greasy MPs and cowardly sycophantic public servants laughing in our faces as they sip the expensive liquor at todays break up parties …
  
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  December 19, 2020 4:05pm
  - Paulus
    
    Their arrogance know no bounds now – and will get worse.
    They have the numbers to do whatever they like and will do so !
    
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    December 19, 2020 4:11pm
dave_c_

Ha ! The last minute report release.
What cynical assholes !
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December 19, 2020 8:02am
flash2846

Norma McCorvey aka “Jane Roe” lived till age 69…. Bitch!
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December 19, 2020 8:10am
Yvette

Can Labour just trump the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975?
… in 1987, and the judgement of New Zealand Maori Council v Attorney-General defined the “Principles of the Treaty” and the proposed sale of government assets was found to be in breach of this proviso [ understood to be – State Owned Enterprises Act 1986. Section 9 of the act: “Nothing in this Act shall permit the Crown to act in a manner that is inconsistent with the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi”]. The government had proposed a transfer of assets from former Government departments to state-owned enterprises, but because the state-owned enterprises were essentially private firms owned by the government. This allowed the courts to consider the Crown’s actions in terms of compliance with the treaty and established the principle that if the treaty is mentioned in strong terms in a piece of legislation, it takes precedence over other parts of that legislation should they come into conflict …

In New Zealand Maori Council v Attorney General (1990) the case concerned FM radio frequencies and found that the treaty could be relevant even concerning legislation which did not mention it and that even if references to the treaty were removed from legislation, the treaty may still be legally relevant. Examples include the ownership of the radio spectrum and the protection of the Māori language. [1]

So in the case of Ihumātao, where the Government has involved itself for the SOUL purpose of settling a Treaty related dispute, the “Crown” has written into a Memorandum of Understanding a clause that seeks, in this instance, to actually eliminate any consideration or process of the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975 –

F – “The Parties acknowledge and agree that He Puumautanga does not constitute a settlement of historic claims pursuant to the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975 and that it is not the intention of the Crown to allow the Whenua to be made available for settlement of any treaty claims whether now existing or arising in the future.”

… when the previous clause establishes that resolution and settlement is exactly what they are doing …

E – “The Parties are committed to working together for the protection and enhancement of the Whenua, through a process to develop, discuss and reach consensus on housing, heritage and land use options for the benefit of the Ahi aka which encompass their connectedness to the Whenua in a way that provides for their cultural, economic and spiritual sustenance and the people of Taamaki Makaurau (and by extension Aotearoa) to resolve this matter of national interest”

… “to resolve this matter of national interest”, even, outside the Treaty, “… that it is not the intention of the Crown to allow the Whenua to be made available for settlement of any treaty claims whether now existing or arising in the future.”

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Waitangi#Resurgence_and_place_in_New_Zealand_Law_(1960–present)
[2] Memorandum of Understanding (He Pūmautagna) Ihumātao, Kupu Taki (Background), E and F
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December 19, 2020 8:13am
- NewInoffensiveName
  
  We live in the era of Rule By Executive Fiat, aka, rule by Captain’s Calls made by the Party leader. Given that this new system is unchallenged by our unicameral dictatorship of a parliament with no checks on its power, our current government can go right ahead and do whatever it likes.
  
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  December 19, 2020 8:33am
  - Overworked
    
    Our PM has channelled Muldoon’s shade since she entered office.
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:06pm
- Sofia
  
  I don’t think I have seen a better description of a Treaty Settlement, than paragraph “E” which Yvette quotes from the Ihumatao Memorandum.
  
  So it is utterly bizarre that the next paragraph “F” attempts to deny that this, saying the particular resolution is unavailable for settlement of any treaty claims whether now existing or arising in the future, because we won’t call it a Settlement.
  
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  December 19, 2020 9:40am
- KevO'Brien
  
  This can’t be a treaty related dispute. The land was held in a title registered to Fletchers or their nominees.
  
  Latter day activists can fight as they may but the right to be stroppy Maori land takers ceased in 1840. Te Tiriti bound them too.
  As the Tribes are not homogenous our ignorant gobblement could be on the way to awakening inter-tribal disputes which won’t be peaceful.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:09am
  - Clyde
    
    Inter-tribal disputes already exist in the form of gangs. Some would argue that the continuation of this type of tribal conflict has it’s good effects. As long as they are not blamed on “colonisation”.
    
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    December 19, 2020 11:38am
- Hard Cheese
  
  Grant Robertson said that the Ihumatao land would be partially used for housing, which Pania Newton seems not to agree with. What happens if the Government gets its way, and her faction of SOUL doesn’t like it? They could start building and her crowd occupy the land again to to stop it! LOL. I would laugh my head off if that happened. I bet Fletchers would too, the irony would be delicious
  
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  December 19, 2020 4:56pm
cmm

Breaking science: It gets warmer in summer!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/123765555/weather-christchurch-warms-up-to-30c-rest-of-south-island-in-for-wet-and-windy-start-to-the-weekend

It’s gonna be 9 degrees above the monthy average.
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December 19, 2020 8:17am
- RJ
  
  I remember summer when I was a kid in the 70’s and 80’s, they were damn hot, beautiful days at the beach, droughts, water shortages, if it’s yellow let it mellow if’s its brown flush it down, Forrest fires. Summer now days electric blanket still on the bed, fire going at night and the occasional hot day.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:33am
tedbear

I suspect Labour didn’t release the Covid report in September as it might have put lots of people off voting for them.
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December 19, 2020 8:22am
- RJ
  
  I expect they didn’t read it because they were waiting for the kids picture book version to be put out so they could understand what it said.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:05am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The accompanying crayons from China are still languishing in containers waiting to be unloaded in Auckland . . .
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:30pm
- Paulus
  
  Nah – Cindy knows what she is doing – she is a mother and is wonderful.
  We all (over 50%) love her.
  
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  December 19, 2020 2:16pm
igm

Is this the start of more soft approaches towards crims by benign Coster?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123751755/speeding-drivers-now-more-likely-to-get-police-pursuit-reprieve
This is as bad, if not worse, than pro-criminal attitudes of police in California, surely at the behest of Coster the Imposter.
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December 19, 2020 8:27am
- Nickc2
  
  Our woke Police Commissioner is a tool of the left.
  
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  December 19, 2020 9:12am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    You could also have stopped before ‘of’…
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:33pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Point taken Engelbert.
      
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      December 19, 2020 2:20pm
  - giltee
    
    All the above tells me I was right to leave the sinking ship. Sold my rentals, my house and left for the land of milk and honey until I retire. Money invested and no intention of coming back. I think under this government, once Covid has diminished anyone with a desire for freedom from govt agenda and those with a sovereign racist agenda will start to leave the ship. Most will hang on with a futile hope that there will be a political party with the balls to say enough is enough. There was but they couldn’t make 5%. I salute anyone that has the balls to leave and seek a better life.
    
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    December 20, 2020 3:08am
- Ruahine
  
  Another win for the criminals.
  Be Kind to criminals day.
  
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  December 19, 2020 9:37am
- PeeJay
  
  bonkers isn’t it.
  I usually adopt a rather complex process to avoid getting stopped by the police. It’s rather long winded but it basically means complying with the speed limit. Crazy idea I know but it tends to work rather well.
  Strangely I’ve never been pulled over or in a hot pursuit or in a car wrapped around a tree with the resulting media campaign about how it’s all the horrible police at fault for chasing little old me, would never hurt a fly….and so on!
  How wrong was I? What i should do now is the first sight of a police car is put the foot to the floor and they’ll back off. Is that honestly the message we want to send criminals now?
  Righto!
  What happened to the world? Who can possibly think that by breaking the law it’s actually the big bad police who are at fault for, erm, enforcing the law. Interesting reading between the lines of the article it’s clear the front line officers think this is nuts.
  It’s gone absolutely bonkers!
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:23am
- GT Build
  
  I heard this last Friday night when I was out doing a volunteer role I have. Madness I thought at the time and so did a lot of the frontline officers judging by the comments on the radio I wondered how long before it became public knowledge 1 week exactly. It does seem all rules are for the honest citizens now the crims get a free pass
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:19am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Yeah, well until these frontline officers sack Cahill from representing them as Union President and conduct a ground-upwards campaign against their Commish, I do not believe they really care as they can work less strenuously and keep picking on the compliant for overtaking at 104km/hr…
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:37pm
    - Harriet
      
      Most of those drivers are fatherless.
      
      And that is why Cahill doesn’t address the issue; fatherless kids kill.
      
      All dads warn their sons about the dangers of cars — and most importantly — the dangers of speeding away from police.
      
      Feminism has a lot to answer for in NZ — and manslaughter —- will see the end of feminism!
      
      Police need to back fathers or they can get a new Commissioner — they can’t have it both ways when manslaughter is increasingly front and center. 😎
      
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      December 19, 2020 4:34pm
Brian McDonald

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California counting the dead by the hour:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/us/california-counts-the-dead-by-the-hour-as-its-i-c-u-s-fill-up/ar-BB1c2L2A?ocid=msedgdhp
Sweden acknowledges getting it wrong just like a number of very vocal herders here posturing from a great distance:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/we-have-failed-king-of-sweden-blasts-his-country-s-covid-19-response/ar-BB1c1l3b?ocid=msedgdhp
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December 19, 2020 8:28am
- Doctor Sigmund Freud
  
  Brian, here in New Zealand since 16 September there have been 233 ‘cases’ of COVID in isolation and a few in the community.
  
  NO ONE HAS DIED!!!
  
  Why the panic? And why are Americans dropping like flies according to you?
  
  I’ll answer that question for you Brian. YOU ARE TRYING TO CREATE PANIC.
  
  And your motives? A bigger state with more state control and more and higher paid bureaucrats? Or do you own lots of property and shares and benefit from BILLIONS in Covid spending? Either way I feel your motives are financial.
  
  Siggy smells a rat.
  
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  December 19, 2020 8:39am
  - MCos
    
    “A bigger state with more state control”
    
    There is no more state control than normal for most people living here right now except for an obligation to wear masks on public transport and one or two minor annoyances.
    There are almost no foreign visitors, which effects certain businesses.
    On the other hand.
    In the Land of the Free, depending where you live, there are a plethora of quite draconian restrictions plus a rampant disease with treatment dependent on your ability to pay.
    In Europe Christmas is just a date on the calendar in many parts due to big bug.
    
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    December 19, 2020 9:24am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Completely missing the point, I have never supported herd immunity, I’m not from Advance NZ or whatever their 5-minute name was, and I don’t panic. I don’t support idiots who reject wearing masks or who believe Covid 19 is a conspiracy to gain control over the masses. I don’t believe vaccines are being produced to track people, or even in men from Mars. I didn’t buy into the doom and gloom about the economy, I worked in essential services a number of times during lockdown. Helped keep a small business running that didn’t shed any jobs. I supported protecting the elderly and vulnerable.
    Siggy stardust is imagination.
    
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    December 19, 2020 9:57am
    - krazykiwi
      
      “I have never supported herd immunity”
      
      Good news, Brian: Herd immunity does not require your support. It has been active for millions of years, and it is irrefutably the reason you (and I) exist.
      
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      December 19, 2020 3:40pm
- kowtow
  
  And UK media reporting their hospitals are less busy than they were this time last year…….
  
  Don’t panic.
  
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  December 19, 2020 8:47am
- Simon
  
  Don’t be scared. 99% survival rate, don’t know if you have Wuhan sniffles unless tested, and have to be 80 yrs plus with major life threatening illness to be concerned.
  
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  December 19, 2020 8:47am
  - emmess
    
    99.8%
    
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    December 19, 2020 9:57am
    - krazykiwi
      
      In truth there is no one percentage, because that number is an average … and there’s no such thing as an ‘average’ human. Based on my demographics and on available data, my mortality risk from a Covid-19 infection over next 12 months is 0.32%
      
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      December 19, 2020 3:45pm
  - Batman
    
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    The million+ who are dead would disagree with you… Except that they’re fucking dead from the virus you irresponsible dicks
    
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    December 19, 2020 10:36am
    - GT Build
      
      Were so worried last year that many died of the flu or just now because jacinda told you so muppet
      
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      December 19, 2020 11:25am
    - emmess
      
      By that logic, the several hundred million plus who are still alive would agree with us
      
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      December 19, 2020 12:35pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      On the upside, Covid has cured Cancer and a plethora of other potentially fatal illnesses and even accidents.
      
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      December 19, 2020 1:41pm
    - kloyd0306
      
      WITH, not FROM
      
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      December 19, 2020 1:53pm
    - mark15
      
      Are you ok BM?
      
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      December 19, 2020 3:21pm
      - Batman
        
        It’s a wonderful sunny day and sports galore this weekend, I’m very ok ??
        
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        December 19, 2020 3:45pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        A good question. That was a brain fart from batty.
        
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        December 19, 2020 3:47pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        No, he’s not, He’s really not.
        
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        December 19, 2020 8:30pm
    - calendar girl
      
      More of your gratuitous gutter language in a comment that you’ve posted, Batman. But thankfully less of it than you sprayed around a few weekends ago in your own personal observations.
      
      How do you purport to act as a moderator of other KWB contributors’ comments on this site when you allow yourself to use language of the proverbial trooper?
      
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      December 19, 2020 3:45pm
      - Batman
        
        Obvious fuckery should be called out.
        
        It seems some snowflakes don’t like the medicine they dish out.
        
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        December 19, 2020 3:49pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Also concerning are Covid tests in excess of 25 cycles-the usual 40+ is guaranteed to yield a positive.
    
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    December 19, 2020 11:14am
    - Pharmachick
      
      I don’t buy in to the conspiracy theories. The only thing I’m worries about from a testing and point-of-care delivery, is that if true; the 40+ cycle thing is certainly not best practice.
      
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      December 19, 2020 1:55pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      The first large-scale testing in the UK used 45 cycles. At 30 no human would ‘test positive’ while at 60 every human alive would ‘test positive’
      
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      December 19, 2020 3:50pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Right, you swivel eyed loons and conspiracy theory propagandists have now, effed up in my copy book.
        
        I was willing to hear from KebO’B that NZ was using 40+ cycles based on his reports. What a fool I am.
        
        KK is blatantly lying. In the UK 25-28 cycles is normal for PCR testing.
        
        Hey dipshits:
        
        (1) yes we DID land on the moon,
        (2) Kennedy *was* assassinated
        (3) Elvis is dead
        
        … are we clear?
        
        Jesus Fucking Christ!
        
        I’ve been commenting on KB for the better part of 13 or 14 years.
        
        Taking a break now. Good luck with this lot DPF.
        
        Tata
        
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        December 19, 2020 5:49pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        I’m actually serious.
        
        Very sorry to reasonable commentators form both sides of the spectrum such as David G, Maggy W, CJ Southern, Benedict Yu, and others …
        
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        December 19, 2020 6:04pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Pharmachick
        
        A number of folks on this blog have their own agendas and are not interested in debate/discussion/exchange of information.
        
        They either want to close down this blog or at least smear its owner, or
        they want to close down individual commentators and will smear them, harass and niggle them as much as they can.
        
        Each sensible voice that departs KB is a loss… it means that increasingly the trolls rule the roost.
        
        There is no-one on KB who can cover the sort of information you have at your fingertips.
        
        Also no practising NZ scientist is safe on this blog, so very few (if any) comment here…Your viewpoint is needed.
        
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        December 19, 2020 6:36pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I don’t what NZ is using. The reports elsewhere claim that the WHO has mandated 40 and the USA has gone along with it.
      I can understand how replication to 1million x 1million = 1 trillion (aprox 2 to the power of 40, 45 would be 128x that) perhaps grows anything which is there. It is meant to be a test not a manufacturing unit. Also the tests are described as never showing the multiplying factor in use.
      That is not my standard of reasonable testing where reviewers are stating that such tests are producing high positives, not the required discrimination which is required for any treatment. I would like another regime to compare the results with.
      
      I never made my young ambition of being a chemist, but in my recent years,using basic essential oils proven from antiquity, I have been enabled to walk and free of pain, despite arthritis, and other inflammatory conditions controlled. About 5 years ago I was on 5 tramadol a day! Others have proven these usages too.
      Another treasure is an antiseptic which can heal aged skin and diabetic ulcers. My research was not devoted to making money but practical products of proven safety for the family. After several years of trial I hope to have a refined range in the new year.
      
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      December 19, 2020 6:41pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Oops. The 45 should be 32 trillion not 128. (binary rounding ignored.)
        
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        December 19, 2020 7:30pm
- Paulus
  
  I assume that is only the Virus deaths and no other causes ?
  
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  December 19, 2020 8:50am
- kowtow
  
  That Swedish report is sensationalist “journalism” and directly contradicts the health ministers’ explanations on the Swedish approach , as explained in an extended interview on Al Jaz ( worth a look).
  
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  December 19, 2020 8:51am
I remember when

A Bloomberg report says recovery is going to be similar to after 2008-9 global financial crisis.
Growth will be tepid after an initial rebound, with inflation dangerously low and unemployment higher than back then.
This could make the wealth gap even worse.
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December 19, 2020 8:33am
- Ruahine
  
  Ooh!. I hope so.
  
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  December 19, 2020 9:41am
Captain Mainwaring

Police pursuits to be axed.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123751755/speeding-drivers-now-more-likely-to-get-police-pursuit-reprieve

Sending a message to the hoons out there that the faster they drive the more likely they are to be left alone.
More madness from the NZ Police.
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December 19, 2020 8:36am
- kowtow
  
  The new chief plod is very woke. he even went to a G Floyd vigil .
  
  Boko Haram hostages : maybe not so much.
  
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  December 19, 2020 8:58am
  - lilman
    
    Dead right, my respect for the police has fallen so much in there past 2 to 3 years I actually can’t believe it is so low.
    
    I have no intention of looking to then for help.
    
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    December 19, 2020 4:34pm
- gorse
  
  Gives them more time to pick on licenced firearms owners
  
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  December 19, 2020 9:02am
- emmess
  
  Aka crime has just been legalised
  Next step ‘Defund the Police’
  
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  December 19, 2020 9:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe it is plod’s way out. Sick of being blamed by arseholes who will not stop. Now the arseholes can do as they wish
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:10am
  - PeeJay
    
    they are in a bit of no win situation to be fair. They get it in the neck from law abiding folks like us, but they get it from the casualties families – enabled by our pathetic media.
    
    And we all know how this will go. Some hoon causes an innocent death while speeding – the lack of a pursuit will not stop it but encourage more of it. Next thing will be the Stuff/Herald/RNZ article crying out why didn’t the police intervene.
    
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    December 19, 2020 10:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sort of what I was saying. The Police are walking away for a reason – can’t be bothered with the blamestorming
      
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      December 19, 2020 11:35am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        They don’t have the luxury of choosing to “walk away” – they have sworn an oath to uphold the law.
        
        I promise you the rank and file will be gutted their woke new boss has just knee-capped them, tied one arm behind their back, let their tyres down and handed the crims the advantage.
        
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        December 19, 2020 8:41pm
- Liberty
  
  Press release
  The Politburo
  Helengrad
  
  Nancy boys are now eligible to join the (new age) Police.
  As our (new age) police are no longer permitted to catch
  speeding lowlifes. The (new age) Police are now looking for
  kind and gentle souls. The (new age) Police have recently purchased a fleet
  of shiny Skoda’s. That will be more than capable for tootling around the neighborhood.
  Looking for bewildered grannies to help cross the street and looking for lost cats.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:38am
- muppeth8r
  
  I guess a bunch of skodas was the final nail in coffin for police pursuits.
  
  Expect many more muppets to attempt to flee now, hopfully ot wont result in more needless deaths
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:13am
- KevO'Brien
  
  A new lampost cleaning brigade has been commissioned.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:15am
- Fletch
  
  Probably because the new Skoda police vehicle couldn’t catch someone….
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:26am
  - Paulus
    
    It is a VW Passat under another name – try its performance and you would be amazed – good choice.
    
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    December 19, 2020 2:20pm
    - MFD
      
      “or end up crashing”
      
      Into whom?
      
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      December 20, 2020 8:02am
      - Paulus
        
        But trees and lampposts will now have to be eliminated as they cause car accidents.
        
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        December 20, 2020 10:55am
- C J Southern
  
  You beat me to it.
  
  I’d like to see a different policy – one where anyone who fails to stop for police is pursued relentlessly using all available resources until they’re either caught or end up crashing.
  
  At which point it’s a mandatory 2 years minimum in jail (more if they endangered people).
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:50am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/new-tesla-runs-exclusively-on-liberal-tears/?
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December 19, 2020 8:45am
lazza

It should now be obvious (or it is still to emerge) that we are now clearly dealing with a venal, self-interested and deeply dishonest administration.

The average Kiwi bloke-ess must surely now see how horribly wrong they got it in October.

A litany of the Government’s inexcusable travesties (Mallard/Ihumatao /Job creation tertiary fees fiasco … and on and on and on …) would over tax any reader here.

The straw that broke this camels back though, came this week with the long suppressed (until after the election… Hah!) – report of the long suspected potentially catastrophic as well as fatal balls ups with unacceptable performance of their Covid border “protection”? measures.

Worse … they LIED about these issues, time and time again. They LIED, even Saint Wotzhizzface of the useless Health Dep’t LIED … as indeed so did Air Cdr Biggles of the RNZAF. Not to mention of course our habitual LIAR the PM herself.

Geezus Heyzos Wept!

The deeply dishonest and cynical way this crucial public health emergency was handled and how life and death covid-related information was manipulated says it all for me.

Disgusting … Criminal … certainly I will never trust anything they say on any matter in future.

Pretty bloody shitty too with a pandemic running … Ehh?

The sickening (more so now-bad enough” then” ) exhibition of the charades, staged daily at 1 pm by the PM, live on TV with nakedly vote gathering twaddle/LIES-peddling … which was taxpayer-paid on national Television. Corrupt?

Thinking, fair minded Kiwis of all political colours … and the congenitally biased media (if both groups are honest with themselves) must now treat all that follows from this mob with distrust, disgust, contempt and disdain.

For if these weekly? outrages are continually allowed to pass without critical assessment or comment … then we are all screwed.

Transparent and honest government … MY ARSE!
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December 19, 2020 8:46am
- Nickc2
  
  Well stated Iazza. Fuck this lot. Advance all clocks three years. The year is now 2023,
  
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  December 19, 2020 9:25am
  - Paulus
    
    Jacindy will still win in 2023 as the ladies will think she is so kind, a mother, and so clever to keep the Virus from us.
    
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    December 19, 2020 2:22pm
- Sacha
  
  “The average Kiwi bloke-ess must surely now see how horribly wrong they got it in October.”
  
  Not yet. Things will have to get much, much worse before people raise their eyes to see what is happening. They don’t care about the Friday Dump (if they’ve ever noticed it) and won’t until they are personally threatened by lack of money to pay the bills and the increasingly expensive food/rent.
  Let’s see: next Christmas?
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:34am
- Ian Boag
  
  Feeling better with that off your chest?
  
  A common feature of KB rants is that the ranter seldom suggests a better way that things could have been done. This one pretty much fits that.
  
  So – if you had been in charge – what would you have done to be different? Who would have been on TV?
  
  There is no argument that this thing could have been handled better, but it did all drop out of the sky and was something of a moving target. Unlike Taiwan we didn’t have structures in place to handle it. If we had tried to handle it a la Taiwan, the people (sheeple?) would not have tolerated it.
  
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  December 19, 2020 4:51pm
- Paulus
  
  But it cannot be so Jacinda is wonderful and kind – you non Labour lovers and voters do not understand.
  
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  December 20, 2020 10:57am
I remember when

Don’t understand the rationale behind the UK decision to vaccinate people over 80 first.
A lot of them are already in some form of isolation. They are not as likely as a group to have high casual contact numbers.
So the main benefit is a reduction in possible deaths in case of infection.
Surely, the starting point should be people in high contact areas to try to reduce case numbers.
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December 19, 2020 8:47am
- lifesgood
  
  Stupid I know but if they didn’t vaccinate the old people they’d be accused of being granny killers. We live in a crazy world.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:03am
  - Paulus
    
    My brother in law was vaccinated in UK yesterday – he is 84.
    
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    December 20, 2020 10:58am
artemisia

About net income tax payers, of which I am (still) one. There are ways and means of legally sidestepping government bureaucracy, ridiculous regulations and even some income tax. Not all of course.

Those with deep pockets are already doing this.

For example, some focus on assets that produce tax free capital gain but that can be easily liquidated as funds are required. More will figure this out.
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December 19, 2020 8:51am
- muppeth8r
  
  I just work far less, earn far less and ensure im no longer a net tax payer, accountant thought i was joking when he asked why our income is a third of what it was a year ago as he thought covid.
  I enjoy my free time and leisure activities now, we have to adhere to strict budgets but we are almost self sufficient food wise, life is far simpler and less stressfull now.
  I intend to return to net taxpayer and syrive to get ahead once the socialist witch has been evicted from the behive, untill then i live a simple life and refuse to employ anyone.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:34am
  - artemisia
    
    Good for you. One of the things we no longer do is take on employees in our small tradie firm. Just the owners and subcontractors as work is available – mostly specialist small businesses or sole traders who look after their own costs and invoice.
    
    They deliver, they get more business and fast payment. Otherwise, bye bye.
    
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    December 19, 2020 11:43am
    - muppeth8r
      
      Yep i am now 1 of them, i no longer bother running a business employing staff instead i just freelance contract labour and just take on work whenever i need it… i had the whole winter off it was brilliant.
      
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      December 19, 2020 12:41pm
      - artemisia
        
        Time is the new money eh! We’re a long time looking at the lid so carpe diem.
        
        When I was contracting the rule of thumb was to set the rate to cover the desired income in 7 months. (Downtime – pretty much nil in my case.)
        
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        December 19, 2020 3:00pm
  - curry4me
    
    muppeth8r: Maybe look at a Taiwanese tax shelter. They don’t report to the international monitoring organization. Buy most of your stuff on a local credit card, and live off your NZ income. Starve the beast permanently.
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:38pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    I suppose you don’t get the pension either ……
    
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    December 19, 2020 1:04pm
    - muppeth8r
      
      Nope and being in the upper end of millenial age bracket id say ill never get to experience being a leaching pensioner.
      
      I know how to work for my income dude.
      
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      December 19, 2020 1:23pm
Happychappy

I would love to hear Brian McDonalds take on this when it seems Labour Jacinda and Andrew Little think being kind , soft and arrogant on criminals is better than holding them to account for the crimes they commit and the torment they unnecessarily put victims family’s under.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300186721/grace-millane-killers-lastditch-effort-to-keep-his-name-secret
No Parent , family or others should have to watch and endure the tragedy of losing a love one to murder and watch the perpetrator put them through hell for every day that this stupid law allows it to continue.
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December 19, 2020 8:55am
- sooty
  
  I’m picking that he has more charges before the court!
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:01am
  - lifesgood
    
    That’s what I’ve heard but apparently they date back before Grace’s murder so why in the hell hasn’t he been tried for them yet? This is ridiculous.
    
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    December 19, 2020 11:05am
- RJ
  
  The family already know who he is. Name suppression won’t be putting the through hell.
  
  Also nothing to really have a go at little or Jacinda, the comments In that article were made before he went before the court and no matter who was In Government at the time they would of been asking for name suppression to be respected.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:17am
- Sacha
  
  His name was published in UK papers . . . . but who cares?
  Until he gets out.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:37am
- SB2
  
  Happychappy , out of Jacinda’s and Andrew’s hands as already explained.
  
  Name suppression simply is a court matter.
  
  Simple!
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:38am
Zapper

Why isn’t the planned Dunedin terror attack massive news? Very little talk about the ideology…must be an eco-fascist then?
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December 19, 2020 9:14am
- lifesgood
  
  I suspect severe mental issues. Why she’s on bail is puzzling, though.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:06am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    That she’s out on bail tells me she’s from at least one more of The Designated Victim Classes and so gotta get A Pass..
    
    Already got One Tick for being an Oppressed Womyn.
    Another Tick for something more… being a colonized Person of Pigment perhaps?
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:40pm
I remember when

Northern Outlook: 16 Dec
“Cat-trapping guardian unapologetic.”
Coastal Ranger Greg Byrnes manages the Tuhaitara Coastal Park, north of Christchurch. A 700 hectare coastal wetland.
Since 2012, 2744animals including stoats, weasels, ferrets, mice, hedgehogs and 54 cats have been dispatched. Only one or two of the cats had not displayed feral behaviour.
Is there any domesticated animal that is as poorly understood as the house cat.
They are finely tuned killing machines.
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December 19, 2020 9:14am
- marcw
  
  I can’t find Tuhaitara Coastal Park on Google Maps – is it spelt correctly?
  
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  December 19, 2020 9:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    https://www.naturespace.org.nz/groups/friends-tuhaitara-coastal-park
    
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    December 19, 2020 9:41am
    - marcw
      
      Thanks, so it is located on undeveloped land between Pegasus to the North and Woodend Beach to the South. The Tuhaitara name is from a sub tribe of Ngai Tahu, Ngāi Tuhaitara.
      
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      December 19, 2020 10:16am
- muppeth8r
  
  My nearly 6 year old son has caught over 20 feral cats off our small rural property in the last 18months, cats are a scourge on the environment and probably the biggest threat to our native wildlife. Killem all, its one of the few things gareth morgan got right.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:29am
  - muppeth8r
    
    Update: the lil dude just came running home after checking his cage trap and a psycho black tom cat is very unhappy!!!
    He gets 5bux each possum or “bad cat” he catches, hes doing pretty well as hes got over 60 possums aswell with his trap, he even plucks the possum fur aswell for bonus pocket money.
    
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    December 19, 2020 10:55am
Belinda

Maybe these guys should harden up, heaven forbid they should ever actually have to go to war.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300184874/covid19-hundreds-of-military-staff-need-psychological-checks-after-miq-incidents
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December 19, 2020 9:28am
- muppeth8r
  
  True that, but just imagine the horror theyre experiencing being witness to all those “kiwis” coming home.
  
  Another mate of mine is enduring day 9 of being cindys unwilling guest, except for the chick in the room next door he said the whole floor hes staying on are not very good at engrish.
  
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  December 19, 2020 9:53am
muppeth8r

Why the disgust when im at a shop and go to pay using cash?
They should be thankfull im spemding money on their shop
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December 19, 2020 9:38am
- muppeth8r
  
  Downtickers must be broke or just willing to bow down to their masters who want a cashless society.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:25am
  - Harriet
    
    Here in Aussie drive thru takeaways virtually demand cards knowing that social distancing doesn’t apply to cars —- more people are using drive thrus out of civil duty in other words. All food business owners know this and that the little guy struggles.
    
    So I pay in cash at the little food shops — and tell them that Maccas can pay the ‘pox tax’. 😎
    
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    December 19, 2020 5:04pm
I remember when

The most transparent Government ever!
You can see right through them.
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December 19, 2020 9:46am
Ruahine

Every soldier needs a hug now and again. And a lie down and a puff on a joint.
More woke employment for psychologists being paid for by the nett taxpayer.
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December 19, 2020 9:49am
- Jade Warrior
  
  The Army has it own psychologists. I would imagine they are responsible for assisting any soldiers who need such help.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:35am
Prince

Another unpopular decision announced in a sneaky, deceitful manner by ‘the most open and transparent Govt ever’, managed by our lovely, kind PM who has a Marketing degree.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123751755/speeding-drivers-now-more-likely-to-get-police-pursuit-reprieve
In previous Govts such a change in policy would be announced by the Minister. In 2020 NZ the Police just sneak it in for their masters.
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December 19, 2020 10:00am
- KevO'Brien
  
  our lovely, kind PM who has a Marketing degree?
  We know how she paid the media for her job but the rest? Where did the marketing degree come from-Waikikamukau?
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:35am
  - Prince
    
    I’m not being facetious. She is an expert in marketing herself and her Govt, as these furtive pre-Christmas ‘drops’ demonstrate.
    She runs rings around the Opposition and the media with these tricks.
    Will we now hear, from the Police, after someone’s family is torn apart by hoons driving a stolen car, “Yeah, we thought they looked a bit sus when they sped through the red light in that stolen car, but we decided it was best to leave it be. We got the rego anyway”.
    
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    December 19, 2020 3:48pm
muppeth8r

The absurdity of our border processes…
Mate recently travelled back from aussie and is in qovt isolation, sydney to nz via air nz he said the plane was only 1/3 capacity so you would think plenty of room for distancing… nope they were all crammed in side by side in the middle of the plane and werent allowed to spread out even tho the plane was quite empty.
Once at auckland and departed the plane strict social distancing was enforced.
Next they were crammed side by side on a bus for 3 hrs
Once at the isolation hotel strict social distancing eas enforced again.

Weird how covid can infect you in an airport and hotel but not on a bus or plane?
We truly are living with the most highly evolved virus ever to be unleashed on mankind, it can measure distance, tell time, count days and be selective in what situations it can spread.
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December 19, 2020 10:02am
- JackRabbit
  
  MIQ = Managed Incubation Quarters.
  
  Without air locks and air flush, a hotel with shared air is an incubation centre. I would estimate that an unhealthy percentage of people that test positive for Covid-19 got it while in incubation, not from bringing it in.
  
  Shared air has long been a problem. Pre Covid your chances of dying by picking up a virus or flu while in hospital are greater than the chance of dying in a road accident.
  
  Shared air, shared surfaces, and movement of bodies as nurses or doctors servicing the patients, make a great transport mechanism. They tell the virus can live on surfaces but they act as if it does not.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:00am
  - muppeth8r
    
    Crappy security is the main reason, i had another mate go through there a few months ago and multiple times he was in other hotel rooms having drinks and consuming drugs with groups of ppl. His 1st day in he shared a joint with a day 12 guy! My mate in there now said drugs are scarce now (they worked out uber eats and nzpost were bringing it in) but can still sneak into others rooms quite easily and theres been a fair bit of hanky panky going on.
    
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    December 19, 2020 11:20am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Either way, an incubation centre. Proper isolation is a key component of Quarantine.
      
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      December 19, 2020 12:10pm
      - muppeth8r
        
        True that… or we could just stop with the histeria and scam and just get on with life.
        
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        December 19, 2020 12:33pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @muppeth8r
        
        True, but it does good to point out that it is hysteria because they don’t follow their own rules.
        
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        December 19, 2020 1:16pm
    - Happy1
      
      You guys are talking nonsense. The reason why we haven’t had covid in the wild for months is because the isolation/ quarantine system works. Enjoy getting together with family and friends over the Xmas period courtesy of Jacinda.
      
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      December 19, 2020 1:03pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Tell that to people that tested positive in MIQ, that had previously tested negative!
        
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        December 19, 2020 1:17pm
      - muppeth8r
        
        Nope, the reason for no community cases is our community testing is virtually non existant.
        
        If you only test a few hundred from 5mil you aint gunna find a thing.
        
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        December 19, 2020 1:26pm
      - GJM
        
        A disease so lethal you need testing to know you had it,
        
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        December 20, 2020 2:01am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    This is written layman’s style but easier to read than the original publication. The Mail does a pretty good job of laying out the facts…
    
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8094933/How-one-man-spread-coronavirus-NINE-people-bus.html
    
    Yes, it got retracted; just like the Johns Hopkins study showing the virus had not increased total deaths, got retracted.
    
    If you believe these retractions occur because the analyses and reports were wrong, you probably also believe there was no fraud in the US election, Jacinda is kind, Mallard is ethical, Epstein killed himself, and SCOTUS head Roberts was just on Paedophile Island to sun himself and go for a swim.
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:42pm
muppeth8r

Is DG still taking bets on trumpy at 20:1?

Ill throw a hundy at that, how do i contact ya DG?
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December 19, 2020 10:13am
- MCos
  
  Careful.
  Someone will organize an alternate inauguration for Trump and he’ll claim he’s still president.
  You’ll have to take legal action to collect your winnings.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:23am
  - muppeth8r
    
    Better then trial by media.
    
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    December 19, 2020 11:53am
Steve Todd

Wow!!

These two articles will get WaynelSexton’s, Fletch’s, and even KevO’Brien’s, blood racing. It looks like it’s all on, guys.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2020/12/report-oath-keepers-plan-bloody-civil-war-if-trump-leaves-office/? .

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2020/12/proud-boys-call-for-disguises-violence-at-biden-inauguration/? .
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December 19, 2020 10:13am
- Batman
  
  Just a bit of light terrorism in the name of totalitarianism and new-age fascism there.
  
  It’s becoming easier and easier to see which side history will judge harshly.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:43am
- James Stephenson
  
  Proud Boys aren’t terrorists, nobody who isn’t running around in a mask setting fire to random businesses, has anything to fear from them.
  
  They’re really just an American version of the the UK Football “firms” of the 80’s, just a bunch of blokes looking for a scrap because they get off on the adrenaline. It seems they’ve even mostly adopted the dress styles of the era too with their love of Fred Perry.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:36am
  - cha
    
    Proud Boys aren’t terrorists
    
    Because aren’t terrorists would never take to the streets proclaiming that 6MWE.
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    https://archive.vn/PMcPr/909e4f857c8cff9df6a36661872a5f4dc0f9dce1.jpg
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:22pm
    - marcw
      
      I found one marcher (photoed multiple times of course) wearing this shirt. Does that say “Proud Boys Must Be Terrorists”?
      
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      December 19, 2020 12:30pm
      - cha
        
        Quacking like a duck…dudes on a blow and booze fueled rampage in the US capital, vandalising black churches and attacking random people…
        
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        December 19, 2020 12:39pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      The 80’s firms had some anti-Semitic dickheads amongst their number too, that didn’t make them terrorists either.
      
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      December 19, 2020 1:08pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        And a few Semites too – yiddoes!
        
        COYS
        
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        December 19, 2020 10:37pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  Obvious at this point that the Insurrection Act and Executive Order 13848 is coming.
  https://mobile.twitter.com/stevenmnuchin1/status/1340016577496965122
  https://mobile.twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1340016756627271681
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:36am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Oh, Wayne! How did you come to be this way?
    
    You do realise, don’t you, that if Trump invokes the Insurrection Act (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807), it will likely be in response to the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys acting up?
    
    And you also realise, don’t you, that, were he to invoke it, a consequence of doing so would not be a re-run of the presidential election? Except for the formality of the electoral count on January 6, that election is done and dusted; it’s history.
    
    And you also realise, don’t you, that Executive Order 13848 has no relevance to anything that may happen between now and January 20; that that EO is to do with foreign interference with US elections, not with civil disorder?
    
    See https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/
    
    and
    
    this update (Sep 2020) https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/text-letter-speaker-house-president-senate-091020/ .
    
    Wayne! It’s over!
    
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    December 19, 2020 2:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hey you humourless lefties. Some of what I post is Satire. Who knew?
You should be able to work it out, I am not putting a // tag on everything that is just a bit of fun
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December 19, 2020 10:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

@ CJ Southern. Voting numbers in US. You trying to tell me from Todd’s UK link that the US found 87M new voters in 2 years?
You are in la la land.
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December 19, 2020 10:22am
- SB2
  
  “You are in la la land”
  
  ???
  
  .Take a closer and long look in the mirror
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE
    
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    December 19, 2020 11:38am
- Steve Todd
  
  @ CJ Southern. Voting numbers in US. You trying to tell me from Todd’s UK link that the US found 87M new voters in 2 years?
  
  No, Otto, he’s not saying that at all.
  
  Read my comment again, particularly this bit—
  
  “There are about 239.2M people in the US who are eligible to vote. Your figure of 153.0M people registered to vote is as at November 2018.”
  
  The figure of 239.2M is the approximate number of people in the US, out of a total population of 328M-331M, who are eligible to vote, not all of whom are registered to vote.
  
  In this regard, US citizens are not legally required to register to vote. See, for example, this article: https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2017/06/why-are-millions-of-citizens-not-registered-to-vote .
  
  In the US, they calculate turnout based on the total number of people eligible to vote, not as a percentage of those people who are actually registered to vote (as in New Zealand).
  
  The turnout on November 3 is estimated to have been 66.2%. (Google it.) Let’s say the number of registered voters was actually a minimum of 240M – it was probably closer to 245M by Election Day (but we’ll have to wait for confirmation of the final figures).
  
  That means at least 158,880,000 people voted, which compares precisely with the total figure of 158,537,765, here: https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/.
  
  After reading many (if not all) of C J Southern’s contributions to Kiwiblog, there is one thing about him I am certain of – no way is he “in la la land”. You, on the other hand, I’m not so sure about.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:16am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Let’s say the number of registered voters was actually a minimum of 240M – […].
    
    Aarrgh! Number of eligible voters was … 240M.
    
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    December 19, 2020 11:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not very good at math are you? 239 minus 153 is nearly 87. In 2 years 87M more voters appeared, just like ballots appear.
    Is math not being taught in schools these days?
    
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    December 19, 2020 11:41am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Oh dear, not very good at this thinking stuff, are you?
      
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      December 19, 2020 11:52am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Oh, for goodness sake! Read my response again.
      
      I spent about 45 minutes of my life this morning (which I’ll never get back, thanks to you) carefully explaining the difference between eligible voters and registered voters, and you come back at me with that?
      
      My “god”; it’s unbelievable.
      
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      December 19, 2020 12:00pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Steve I don’t wish to add to your consternation, but you never get any time out of your life back. Ever.
        
        When it’s gone it’s gone.
        
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        December 19, 2020 10:46pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        That’s true, Loddenthinks, but Otto’s response was so utterly braindead, that I resent the time I spent replying to him; time I could have spent doing something else.
        
        Ah, well. At least I saved C J the trouble. He ended up having a bad enough day as it was.
        
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        December 20, 2020 9:11am
    - JackRabbit
      
      In today’s leftie trippy based feelings world, 239 minus 153 is anything you want it to be, so long as it is kind and gives hugs.
      
      Real maths isn’t being taught in school any more.
      
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      December 19, 2020 1:40pm
  - C J Southern
    
    “After reading many (if not all) of C J Southern’s contributions to Kiwiblog, there is one thing about him I am certain of – no way is he “in la la land”. You, on the other hand, I’m not so sure about.”
    
    C J Southern approves of this comment.
    
    Frankly, I’m 100% certain that the Steve Ottos, Critical Thinkers, Fletchs, JackRabbits, KevObrians, etc are COMPLETELY in la la land. Not the slightest doubt in my mind.
    
    Every fucking day it’s the same old crap;
    
    – Post something that they’ve been fed from a site set up to leverage their stupidity.
    
    – Assert that every site that that explains the reality of the situation is “fake news”
    
    Rinse and repeat over and over and over and over again.
    
    They don’t seem to get it through their thick skulls that the courts don’t give a shit what’s published by ANY site; they follow the law – and they require credible evidence.
    
    It’s absolutely incredulous to assert (outside of court) that there’s been massive illegal fraud and yet – almost without exception – not even mention fraud in court. Don’t believe me? … I’d be happy to post case numbers to each and every case to back that up. It’s equally as incredulous they assert that there’s been such widespread fraud and yet to date there’s been exactly ZERO evidence from any of it accepted by any court in what now total 70 cases. District courts. Appeal courts. Supreme courts. In multiple states.
    
    Here’s a copy/paste of a section from a letter by Congressman Republican Paul Mitchell (who voted for Trump in 2020): “However, the president and his legal team have failed to provide substantive evidence of fraud or administrative failure on a scale large enough to impact the outcome of the election”.
    
    You can read the full letter here: https://twitter.com/RepPaulMitchell/status/1338599898141356034/photo/1
    
    Have a read of what an actual court judgement looks like – here’s a link to an 81 page judgement from the Supreme Court of Wisconsin; straight from the court itself – not some “creative interpretation by some site”:
    
    https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=315395
    
    Have a read of just how far short of the mark the claims of Trump’s lot are falling.
    
    The assertions from some here that courts are “scared” or “biased” is as absurd as it is offensive.
    
    The idiots here appear as ridiculous as they would if they tried to argue that Santa Claus or the tooth fairy were real; there’s just as much credible evidence of that as there is of widespread election fraud. ie ZERO.
    
    It occurred to me that perhaps these idiots were just trolling me (more fool me if they are – I’ve fallen for it) but the more I read the more convinced I am that they really are that detached from reality and really are that stupid.
    
    But at the end of the day, who gives a rats. They can keep posting crap as much as they like; the transition to the Biden presidency (for better or worse) is EXACTLY on track (as it has been the entire time since the election). The very most that the nutters here are going to achieve is a significant contribution to reducing this blog to nothing more than low-quality site that contributes little more to society than repeating baseless conspiracies. And I for one don’t want to see that happen any more than it already is (hence the reason I take the time to push back against these ridiculous conspiracy nutters).
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:41pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Frankly, I’m 100% certain that that C J Southern is a leftie plant to criticise anything that gets too close to the truth.
      
      C J Southern outright attacks others without actually inspecting what has been said.
      
      Attack case in Point:
      Every fucking day it’s the same old crap;
      – Post something that they’ve been fed from a site set up to leverage their stupidity.
      – Assert that every site that that explains the reality of the situation is “fake news”
      Rinse and repeat over and over and over and over again.
      
      C J Southern assumes that no-one else is capable of reasoning or research.
      
      C J Southern reactively throws his/her/its toys out of the cot and is 100% convinced there is no doubt around the accuracy of the voting, despite there being an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contray.
      
      Anomalies have to be investigated, especially anomalies that are indicative there was voter fraud.
      
      May the justice system be as unkind to you as you would have it be unkind to others.
      
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      December 19, 2020 1:34pm
      - C J Southern
        
        I don’t have to assume that you’re incapable; you demonstrate it. Every. Fucking. Day.
        
        The apparent anomalies HAVE been investigated. And found to be meritless. Every. Fucking. Time.
        
        Your “logic” works like this;
        
        – The democrats are dishonest
        
        – All the officials are dishonest
        
        – The companies that built the voting machines are dishonest
        
        – Every republican who acknowledges the result is a RINO
        
        – The courts are dishonest
        
        – The MSM are dishonest
        
        – Only Trump, and the people who support him are “truthful”.
        
        Frankly, I didn’t think that the levels of stupidity in the world had risen so high so quickly. Apparently I was wrong.
        
        I’m out of here; the cost to my mental health in trying to make you idiots see sense is something I’m no longer prepared to compromise; your bat-shit-craziness has done my head in.
        
        Thankfully your idiocracy will continue to have zero effect on the Biden transition; it means only that you’re going to have to keep thinking up new excuses to keep inflicting your delusions on the remaining members who have the misfortune to have to read your insane crap.
        
        To the sane rationalists (you know who you are) I salute you; it’s been an honour and a privilege.
        
        /CJS Out
        
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        December 19, 2020 6:08pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        C J! Why not just take a break?
        
        Perhaps you can come back at GD on Thursday, 7 January, as from 8:00AM, by which time we will know the outcome of the electoral count, which will have commenced three hours earlier.
        
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        December 19, 2020 6:25pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Bad luck, Steve, it won’t be over then. These deluded fuckwits are convinced that there was electoral fraud, because their orange idol tells them so.
        Despite Trumpy’s uninterrupted seven decades of lying, cheating and theft, they are convinced he is the oracle. It is almost impossible to leave such a cult.
        
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        December 19, 2020 7:26pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        I know you’re right, Mike, but I’d love for WaynelSexton to say, on 7 January, that Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act any day now, and to see just how a refreshed, revitalised, CJ gets stuck into him.
        
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        December 19, 2020 8:20pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @C J Southern
        
        >”C J Southern reactively throws his/her/its toys out of the cot.
        
        Your unabridged use of swearing, use of words like “idiots”, “crap”, “bat-shit-craziness” confirms the above.
        
        Regarding your rant:
        >”Your “logic” works like this;
        – The democrats are dishonest
        – All the officials are dishonest
        – The companies that built the voting machines are dishonest
        – Every republican who acknowledges the result is a RINO
        – The courts are dishonest
        – The MSM are dishonest”
        
        That is not my logic at all. However the idea you have that this must be my logic, is a projection of your own thinking. i.e. that in the world or any given situation, that everyone must be complicit for bad to happen.
        
        Lets take your statement of assumption about my logic: “– All the officials are dishonest.”
        
        It does not require “All officials to be dishonest” to alter an election in the same way it does not require “All bank officials to be dishonest” to perpetrate bank fraud, which happens every week somewhere in NZ.
        
        The only person who is doing your “head in” is you, as you cannot accept that others have different viewpoints to you, and it is causing a melt-down because you are unable to accept that you view of the world may be wrong. It is never what is being discussed that is the issue, it is your obsession with it that is causing you grief. So you resort to “hate speech.”
        
        Take care.
        
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        December 20, 2020 6:38am
- C J Southern
  
  Please point me to just one example of evidence of widespread fraud that was accepted by a court.
  
  8th request.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:58am
  - muppeth8r
    
    Show us evidence that there was no fraud
    
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    December 19, 2020 1:27pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Ah, the good ol’ reverse burden of proof.
      “If you can prove you AREN’T a witch, we won’t have to burn you”
      
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      December 19, 2020 7:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nothing has bee heard because the Judges are Dems and RINOs looking after their own arses. If they hear a case and it goes in Trump’s favour, they get the DCM. Finished with you and Todd for the day – maybe tomorrow I will read more of your nonsense.
    
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    December 19, 2020 1:40pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      More satire.
      
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      December 19, 2020 2:22pm
    - C J Southern
      
      Steve Otto(North Shore) asserts (without evidence):
      
      “the Judges are Dems and RINOs looking after their own arses. If they hear a case and it goes in Trump’s favour, they get the DCM.”
      
      9 Judges write an 82 page decision that documents every aspect of their decision.:
      
      https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=315395
      
      Gosh. Who to believe. Tough one …
      
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      December 19, 2020 2:38pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Gosh. Who to believe. Tough one …[.]
        
        Yep. It sure is.
        
        Who can we turn to for guidance? Otto himself? Nah. His response to me this morning (at 11:41AM, above) rules him out.
        
        That leaves Fletch, NewInoffensiveName, Andrei, RJ, WaynelSexton, KevO’Brien?
        
        Ye “gods”! I think we’re going to have to work that one out for ourselves, C J.
        
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        December 19, 2020 3:06pm
      - RJ
        
        Yes who to believe, a bunch of idiots who put their heads in the sand to extensive evidence I wonder why, only ones that seem to be denying evidence seem to be in the pockets of the commies. Plenty of evidence including forensic aiding of the machines that they tried to block but the court ordered to be released. More evidence commies want to admit is real. The courts have been focusing on standing not listening to any evidence but don’t worry it will get there.
        
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        December 19, 2020 8:48pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    CJ saith: Please point me to just one example of evidence of widespread fraud that was accepted by a court.
    
    Here ya go CJ
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/maori-kings-adviser-rangi-whakaruru-admits-fraud-charges/EM5CPZBB4YRD2DVZOOCLOSK2GE/
    
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    December 19, 2020 4:49pm
ross411

All New Zealand MPs should be the first to get the vaccine and it should be televised for all of them, then and only then should it be allowed into the country.

Here is what a real politician does when he pushes rapid deployment of a vaccine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYMUE3CRnsY&feature=youtu.be

Now, I am pro-vaccine, and have had dozens and would get one for Covid. I just think politicians should stand behind decisions they make. If we had a real press, they should push things like this on politicians.
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December 19, 2020 10:25am
- JackRabbit
  
  In the name of unbiased science, let all the politicians, their families, children and grandchildren all take it, both doses, and put the results and ongoing monitoring online, together with any that dissented and reasons why. After all it would be in-congruent to allow MP’s or MP’s families to object but enforce on the population at large.
  
  We are not at risk here in NZ, and there is no community transmission. If people want to come in to NZ or go overseas, by all means take the vaccine.
  
  Let those MP extended doses settle in for 12 months and keep listing their health online. The vaccine was rushed to market in a few short months, it is only prudent to monitor the human guinea pig beta testing before rolling it out as a bug free final version. 12 months is nothing if it stops the Covid-19 vaccine actually causing outbreaks in areas like NZ that do not have any cases of community infection.
  
  The fight against “eradicating polio” has been dealt a deadly blow, as more polio cases now caused by the vaccine than by wild virus. And it has been going on for over five years, and no sign of it stopping.
  
  Thanks Bill and Melinda Gates for financing a beta version of a polio vaccine using humans as guinea pigs.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/02/vaccine-derived-polio-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus
  
  https://globalizationandhealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12992-020-00594-z
  
  https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/health-fitness/sns-polio-cases-caused-vaccine-wild-virus-20191125-u7iv4vk5iraqxmvywqabrsl54u-story.html
  
  https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio
  
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  December 19, 2020 12:46pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    mRNA comes to the masses. Moderna –> mod rna, a US Uni company with a new patent.
    
    Do we allow free genetic mods to our fruit & veges or other foods?
    Green?
    
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    December 19, 2020 6:58pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      mRNS has been touted as the new “Holy Grail” of vaccines. The mRNA is a new technology, not previously used in widespread use. Moderna previously struggled with the development of nRNA, and had major issues that threatened its very high share price.
      
      Kev, despite our fears, mRNA cannot alter DNA, with one exception. Where the person has an existing immune deficiency disease, such as AIDs, it is possible, however it is stated that this is “very unlikely.” In my book, “very unlikely” is still more than 0.000%. We will have to wait and see.
      
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      December 20, 2020 7:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A cactus fell over in a barren landscape? Sounds like a War crime and Trump should go to jail.
https://upnorthlive.com/news/nation-world/damage-from-border-wall-blown-up-mountains-toppled-cactus?
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December 19, 2020 10:29am
- SB2
  
  How much of the 1900 mile border completed?
  
  100, 200 or 300?
  
  LOL
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:59am
  - Surely Knott
    
    How much of the light rail link completed?
    How much of the sky path completed?
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:00pm
    - H. Upmann
      
      None and none.
      
      Thank incompetence for that, when failure ended up being a win.
      
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      December 19, 2020 12:23pm
  - tf78
    
    Ask Ricardo Mendez- March according to him, his family home is very near one part of it.
    
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    December 19, 2020 7:13pm
Batman

Sadly the article itself is behind a paywall but the headline does the job well enough.

EXCLUSIVE: Jared Kushner helped create a Trump campaign shell company that secretly paid the president’s family members and spent $617 million in reelection cash, a source tells Insider
https://t.co/9Gtpa1gIj6 via @businessinsider

Grifters and crooks will always look after themselves first
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December 19, 2020 10:40am
- muppeth8r
  
  Happy to tout your own views with shonky “evidence” yet refuse to acknowledge the prospects of mass voter fraud…
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:45am
- ross411
  
  Another go-nowhere claim without proof, which you don’t seem to have actually read the article for, but meets your emotional needs enough to forward it blindly. Prove me wrong.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:45am
- Nukuleka
  
  Oh yes. Headlines. They always indicate the truthfulness of the article ffs.
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:55am
- Fletch
  
  No one looks after themselves and grifts more than Democrats – ie, the Clintons and the Bidens…
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:31am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More ballots.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/545491349667859/permalink/717179519165707/
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December 19, 2020 10:51am
- SB2
  
  Boaters for President Trump ?
  
  All lost at sea or founded on the rocks!
  
  LOL
  
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  December 19, 2020 10:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stupid Boy. “Boaters for Trump” is a FB Group who is behind all of those on the water rallies. I think the record is more than 11000 boats somewhere in Florida
    
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    December 19, 2020 11:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Note to self: Do not feed the troll
      
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      December 19, 2020 11:46am
      - SB2
        
        Boo hoo!
        
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        December 19, 2020 12:45pm
      - curry4me
        
        Steve Otto(North Shore): That’s a decision I made ages ago.
        
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        December 19, 2020 12:49pm
- C J Southern
  
  So let me see if I’ve got this right; Your credible “evidence” of (supposedly) wrong-doing is contained in a post in a private Facebook group called “Boaters for Trump”?
  
  That’s not how credible evidence works. Point me to where a court agreed that this evidence was credible.
  
  More of the same old crap from you; you’re incapable of producing ANYTHING that doesn’t link back to a site with some kind of (usually ridiculous) spin on it. And the ONLY possible explanation for that is because no credible evidence exists.
  
  You’ve been sucked in by sites that talk the talk, but when push comes to shove, can’t walk the walk.
  
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  December 19, 2020 12:55pm
SB2

Just a reminder to the willfully ignorant that covid is merely another version of the “wuhan” sniffles,

“Data reveal deadliness of COVID-19, even in young adults”

Even though all-cause mortality due to COVID-19 may not be known for a while, two new studies highlight that 173,300 (79.5%) of excess deaths from March through August were COVID related, with 4,535 deaths occurring from March through July in younger adults ages 25 to 44, or 38% of all excess deaths in that group…”.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/12/data-reveal-deadliness-covid-19-even-young-adults
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December 19, 2020 10:53am
Yvette

A woman has appeared in court in Auckland on charges relating to threats targeting graduation ceremonies at the University of Otago.
Police allege she was threatening to carry out an attack using guns and explosives “of a magnitude surpassing” the 15 March terrorist attacks in Christchurch.
The 22-year-old appeared in the Auckland District Court today charged with threatening harm to people or property.She has been granted interim name suppression and must surrender her passport and stay at her parents’ home at all times unless attending a medical appointment, TVNZ reported.

If the Police allegation is true, this woman seems to be highly dangerous so it appears a pity that it is not more fully explained why she is detained at home and not somewhere more secure.
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December 19, 2020 11:02am
- SB2
  
  Maybe the court thought she was in no the same league as white supremacist Brenton Tarrance and without his arsenal to carry out the threat.
  
  Maybe just a little attention seeking dotty.
  
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  December 19, 2020 12:48pm
  - Paulus
    
    No, it is because she is a young woman and presumably a UNI person.
    Surely she should be incarcerated but presumably as Cindy would like we have to be nice to her over Christmas.
    
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    December 19, 2020 2:33pm
  - RJ
    
    You’re right, the court didn’t think she was in the same league because as reported her plans were far larger than the Christchurch attack.
    
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    December 19, 2020 7:12pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Why no more information on her? well…
  
  1. She has Labour or Green Party affiliations.
  
  2. She’s from one of the Protected Groups because of ethnicity, pigment, scarf, relatives or other status.
  
  3. She was previously under surveillance and now she needs to be deemed ‘harmless’ so that the people who screwed up are protected.
  
  4. She’s an unvetted immigrant a la Tarrant.
  
  5. All of the above…
  
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  December 19, 2020 12:56pm
Maggie Pie

VNZ reports:
‘Remuera house values have climbed by more than $1600 a day…..second only to Auckland’s other exclusive suburb, Herne Bay’

To all those naysayers who think Labor isn’t doing a good job, think again 😀

Even the average house price in Gizzie now exceeds half-a-mill. MW must be smiling as well.
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December 19, 2020 11:05am
- muppeth8r
  
  With the exception of houses near winz homeless hotels i think that most private homeowners will be benefiting from cindys incompetence, landlords not so much but at least cindy gives them the excuses needed to push rents to record levels.
  
  Welcome to nz where failure is success
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  As I complained a few weeks back…looks like only the middle-class can now buy in Kaiti.
  
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  December 19, 2020 5:08pm
- tf78
  
  Maggie as you well know you only realize value when you sell, it you’re sitting tight the only one you please is Phill Goff as he just increases our rates.
  
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  December 19, 2020 7:19pm
SB2

Listen to Dr Anthony Fauci and you’ll understand why Trump lost the plot and an election too.,

Dr Anthony Fauci – how and when will the pandemic end?

Top US health advisor and leading immunologist Dr Anthony Fauci is known worldwide as one of the most trusted authorities on Covid-19.

Dr Fauci, who helped turn the tide in the fight against HIV/AIDs in the 1990s, is director of America’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and has advised six US presidents on both sides of the political divide, and is about to add a seventh to the list – he will serve as President-elect Joe Biden’s Chief Medical Advisor.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018777757/dr-anthony-fauci-how-and-when-will-the-pandemic-end

It is worth repeating: Ihere is real light at the end of the tunnel with the President-elect taking Dr Fauci on as his chief medial advisor
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December 19, 2020 11:08am
- RJ
  
  Listen to dr stepwise oh who doesn’t think the virus is anything to worry about and anyone posting anything about it is fear mongering and are part of the problem. Just shows someone people who post medical advice know jack shit.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:23am
  - SB2
    
    “..who post medical advice know jack shit”
    
    Like you for example?
    
    LOL
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:50pm
    - RJ
      
      Actually goat boy I’ve never proclaimed to know anything medical, unlike you who attacked people for warning about covid and made out they were fear mongering
      
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      December 19, 2020 1:11pm
- Fletch
  
  Haha. This is the same Fauci who can’t make up his mind on whether masks are a good thing. The same Fauci who appeared on NewsMax saying that Covid was nothing Americans needed to be worried about.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqg2kQDlPKw
  
  The same Fauci who was in the exact same govt position during the H1N1 virus back in 2009/2010 when the Obama administration totally failed and 60 million Americans caught the virus.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:37am
  - SB2
    
    Fketch , wrong!
    
    Fact-check: Did Fauci say coronavirus was ‘nothing to worry about?
    
    Newsmax interview
    On Jan. 21 – the day the first COVID-19 case in the U.S. was confirmed – Fauci appeared on conservative Newsmax TV. “Bottom line, we don’t have to worry about this one, right?” asked Greg Kelly, the host.
    
    Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.”
    
    https://www.statesman.com/news/20200429/fact-check-did-fauci-say-coronavirus-was-lsquonothing-to-worry-aboutrsquo
    
    Reacall also this was in the early stages of the Pandemic where our response would of been similar
    
    Long before level 1 lockdown when its seriousnes became much more evident
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:58pm
    - RJ
      
      Nope the seriousness was well known before lockdown as people with brains were watching what was going on in China while you were attacking them for fear mongering.
      
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      December 19, 2020 1:12pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      SB2:
      
      Reacall also this was in the early stages of the Pandemic where our response would of been similar
      
      Long before level 1 lockdown when its seriousnes became much more evident
      
      Do you need to be reminded – yet again – how in March 2020, when the COVID-19 pandemic was emerging, you suggested that people at Kiwiblog, including Maggy, were overstating the risks? That’s right, when Jacinda told you what to think, you changed your tune.
      
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      December 19, 2020 2:17pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I was mentioning our lousy response to the virus in the last weeks of January…
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/01/general_debate_22_january_2020.html#comment-2627801
        
        SB2 was posting outdated information, taking every opportunity to make out that I was pressing the “panic button”.
        
        I wonder if SB2 ever considers why he always seem to get it wrong where I’m concerned.
        
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        December 19, 2020 7:32pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Fauci is money hungry admin on the take.
  He’s dangerous. Look at his backgound very carefully–he’s not a medical person but an investor.
  
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  December 19, 2020 11:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He is a commie involved with the WHO
    
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    December 19, 2020 11:48am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      More satire, Steve?
      
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      December 19, 2020 11:54am
      - JackRabbit
        
        I guess you must be very far along the Autism spectrum if you have to ask if that was satire. 😉
        
        But then the total lack of social skills, such as obsessively attacking points of view that don’t match your own, and attacking the owners of those points of view, confirmed it a long time ago.
        
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        December 19, 2020 12:13pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @Jacko
        obsessively attacking points of view that don’t match your own, and attacking the owners of those points of view
        
        Wot? Someone would do that on KB – home of “play the man”. Surely not?
        
        After all … there’s nothing personal in ..
        
        you must be very far along the Autism spectrum
        
        and it is totally relevant to a debate about Fauci ….
        
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        December 19, 2020 12:28pm
      - C J Southern
        
        Nah – just more idiots documenting their stupidity.
        
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        December 19, 2020 12:57pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Upticked you sonny, because I thought that was funny coming from you
        
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        December 19, 2020 1:43pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Ian Boag
        
        It’s not an attack. Its an analysis of the multitude of indicators.
        
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        December 19, 2020 1:44pm
  - SB2
    
    ” .. he’s not a medical person but an investor.”
    
    ????
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:59pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  TWITTER TRENDING…
  
  As well as Dr Fauci, I see where the President-elect has also taken on Pete Buttigieg as his Transport advisor.
  Friends say Pete is so excited about moving to his new job, he already has his shit packed.
  
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  December 19, 2020 12:02pm
  - muppeth8r
    
    Thats gold!!
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:16pm
  - oldfella
    
    Maggie, just responded to you referencing Pete’s nickname. Not polite, but I’m sure you’d find it amusing going by your comment.
    The mod of the day obviously doesn’t agree and my comment fell into a big hole somewhere.
    Maybe we have to start being polite to Biden’s men and women and avoid throwing crap at them the way it’s been pitched at Trump for the last four years.
    Am I right, Mr/Ms Mod?
    
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    December 19, 2020 12:44pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Pete is one of those dicks who thinks the gun owners want to hand in their guns.
      He says “I’m coming for your guns”
      The owners say “Just come and get them”
      
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      December 19, 2020 1:46pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  You do know, don’t you, that the states that did the lockdown harshly are failing by comparison with the states that did not…
  
  “California broke its statewide records for both coronavirus cases reported and deaths reported in a single day.
  
  “The state reported 51,724 COVID-19 cases on Wednesday, breaking the previous record of 42,088 cases, which was just set on Monday.”
  
  To put these numbers into perspective, the number of deaths California reported on Wednesday was more than double the daily high in any previous month.
  
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  December 19, 2020 1:01pm
- tf78
  
  SB (Are you Stupid Boy originally).
  Anyway are you not aware of why the Clinton’s set up the Clinton Foundation – originally to was to discover a cure for AIDS. (I thought Fauci was dodgy and now I remember his connections)
  
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  December 19, 2020 7:22pm
Nickc2

It’s all over. Job done. Party time in Wuhan.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/12/reuters-reports-its-full-on-mega-party-time-in-wuhan.html
Did Cindy get an invite?
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December 19, 2020 11:14am
Fletch

Nurse passes out on TV while being interviewed after receiving Covid vaccine…

https://rumble.com/vbzaft-nurse-passes-out-on-live-tv-after-being-administered-covid-19-vaccine.html
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December 19, 2020 11:33am
- marcw
  
  Hysteria is a recognised and sometimes contagious condition. Entire groups of people have been known to become “ill” under certain stressful and emotional situations. It is mischief-making to infer this nurse passed out because of the vaccine. Other vaccines with people are known to cause similar distress too.
  
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  December 19, 2020 12:23pm
- muppeth8r
  
  Whats the bet theyll spin it and say she didnt know she was currently infected with covid and that covid not the vaccine was responsible
  
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  December 19, 2020 12:28pm
- SB2
  
  Fletch, I guess then outgoing VP Mike Pence is in dire peril?
  
  https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-12-18/column-mike-pence-takes-the-vaccine-its-the-least-he-could-do-considering-his-history-of-coronavirus-lies
  
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  December 19, 2020 3:08pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    If the VP got a placebo instead of the real thing he better not come down with Covid19. That would show the world that they cheated or the stuff doesn’t work.
    
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    December 20, 2020 6:54am
oldfella

Posted this in the wrong thread. Here goes under general debate…

This is how to attract people to your country – Canadian style. ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=RDCMUCk1ry5bGHxdz2-rQ6pyrnTg&v=81n1gnf2cEA&feature=emb_rel_end&ab_channel=CANADAExplore%7CExplorez
Instead of NICE, maybe Aotearoa (formerly known as New Zealand) could do something similar with the word KIND. Featuring our resident Princess, and lots and lots of brown, tattooed, genuine Aotearoan, faces. Yes?
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December 19, 2020 12:07pm
Fletch

New music by Liam Gallagher. I’ve never really liked Oasis or anything, but this isn’t bad, compared to most music coming out today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkW8_UOVZ0w
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December 19, 2020 12:18pm
Fletch

Santa gives his workers a chewing out ?

https://twitter.com/jga41agher/status/1339415816844951553
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December 19, 2020 12:22pm
Tony Stuart

Given the ineptitude of the Ministry of Health revealed in the Simpson/Roche report yesterday, is it surprising that people don’t have great confidence in them to roll out a mass vaccination programme.

As for Chris Hipkins, he assured us our border testing regime was “gold standard”. On the basis of the Roche/Simpson report, released on the Friday before Christmas, you can drop the word gold, and replace it with “sub-“.

And if it hadn’t been for the sterling investigative journalism of Michael Morrah from Newshub, there wouldn’t have even been an investigation. Mike Morrah is my New Zealander of the Year.
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December 19, 2020 12:27pm
- sooty
  
  So why did you have to chuck a shitload of new money at it, chippy?
  
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  December 19, 2020 1:48pm
oldfella

According to a Stuffed editorial, “The Ihumātao dispute ends with a tidy solution”. Really?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/123755072/the-ihumtao-dispute-ends-with-a-tidy-solution
The problem now with anything from Stuffed is they have gone so far overboard with their whole, woke, ‘we are so sorry’ shtick, there is no way they are going to publish anything from now on that is every slightly critical of Maoridom. Even if it’s deserved.
Making they claims about how great their journalism is no more than a bad joke.
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December 19, 2020 12:27pm
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  “The Ihumātao dispute ends with a tidy solution” ?
  
  I would think in the minds of Joe and Jane Public it is .
  
  Not your kind of rant!
  
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  December 19, 2020 1:03pm
Happychappy

I am not a CCP supporter but how long will it take for PM and her Foreign Minister to fuck up our good relationship with China.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/12/china-state-media-takes-aim-at-nanaia-mahuta-s-suggestion-new-zealand-could-mediate-beijing-canberra-talks.html
It Sounds like Nanaia- Mahuta thinks her kindness and ability would help broker a deal to help solve Australia’s and Chinas problems at the moment. As much as I dispise Winston Peter’s he would stand more chance of helping to solve the situation than the Prime Minister or her Foreign Minister.
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December 19, 2020 12:43pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  The Labour voters are getting what they voted for, more of it every day, good and hard. Sucks to be them.
  
  Us deplorables are in the same economic and geopolitical boat as them but still – Schadenfreude! Point and scoff! works for me.
  
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  December 19, 2020 1:04pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/EiVXxxqxLlY/

Pentagon Halts Biden Transition Briefings.

Wouldn’t want him finding out about on-going investigations of Hunter.
Or other stuff either.
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December 19, 2020 12:54pm
- SB2
  
  What is there to investigate about Hunter other than flimsy and silly Ukraine conspiracy theories?
  
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  December 19, 2020 1:05pm
- SB2
  
  Three weeks ago,
  
  SIDNEY POWELL REVEALS EPIC LAWSUIT COMING! ‘IT WILL BE BIBLICAL’!!!
  
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/25hMwJ7xo2E/
  
  LOL
  
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  December 19, 2020 1:11pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0F5qPDZcyBk/

HUNGARY AMENDS CONSTITUTION TO RECOGNIZE PARENTS AS MALE AND FEMALE!

First, you need a constitution. So a family is a biological man; aka dad, and a biological female; aka mum. Add the kids, and a dog. Well done, Hungary.
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December 19, 2020 12:57pm
- SB2
  
  But permits passive euthenasia!
  
  Hmmm..
  
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  December 19, 2020 1:22pm
Maggie Pie

Ryan Bridge Magic Radio….

“Chief Ombudsman Peter Bouchier pays surprise visit to Paremoremo Prison. Concerned to find prisoners locked in cells”
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December 19, 2020 1:18pm
- muppeth8r
  
  Aw god dont tell him the front gate was locked too.
  
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  December 19, 2020 1:32pm
- sooty
  
  What did he expect them to be supping piss, lying around the pool?
  
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  December 19, 2020 1:44pm
- lifesgood
  
  No time for that Bouchier fellow. He rose amazingly quickly through the ranks from being a cop to being chief ombudsman. Wife is a judge.
  
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  December 19, 2020 1:54pm
- Nickc2
  
  Another tool of the left!
  
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  December 19, 2020 2:29pm
Nostradamus

China’s ‘dark’ fishing fleets are plundering the world’s oceans

When a vast Chinese armada appeared outside the Galapagos Marine Reserve in South America earlier this year, Ecuador’s Government sounded the alarm.
They called in the big guns, asking the United States Coast Guard to help keep an eye on the enormous number of fishing vessels.

The sheer size of the fleet fuelled Ecuador’s urgency: more than 350 Chinese fishing boats were detected, outnumbering its own navy and those of Peru and Chile combined.
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December 19, 2020 2:20pm
- greybeard
  
  Looks like it is time for China to spend some money developing non-meat & non-fish foods.
  Are they eating all these fish themselves or selling it all to New World & Countdown ?
  
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  December 19, 2020 5:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Na,
    they’ve just been given all of ~~Australia’s~~ PNG’s waters….
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-15/trepidation-as-china-prepares-to-move-into-the-torres-strait/12985504
    
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    December 19, 2020 7:17pm
Nostradamus

Maggie Pie:

You mentioned yesterday that you’re heading to St Lukes Mall today. Did you see anyone dressed oddly and behaving suspiciously in one of the cafes?
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December 19, 2020 2:23pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Must be doxxing time again…
  
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  December 19, 2020 2:24pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Oh, it’s Mikenmildagain, so it must be defending-the-resident-pervert time again…
    
    [Mod – sexual assault is a serious matter Stephie, regardless of the politics of the perpetrator. If you want a Christmas holiday, you’re going the right way about it]
    
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    December 19, 2020 3:59pm
    - Harriet
      
      …..
      
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      December 19, 2020 5:32pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You know what you did.
      
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      December 19, 2020 7:17pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Oh get off your moral high horse. How many times has DPF given you strikes and banned you over the years? Quite a few times, yes. I’ve seen you pile in on Maggy along with Griff and SB2 – and what about your nasty comments about Flipper after he passed away?
        
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        December 19, 2020 9:24pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Hiya Noz – we went early this morning to be there at 9 when they opened. Didn’t notice anyone fitting that description. Although pretty sure SB2 would have still been in his Masterbatorium at that time. 😀
  
  Did manage to secure a ‘Panasonic Genius’ which we’re taking up to the beach.
  
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  December 19, 2020 3:13pm
Fletch

Anyone watching The Mandalorian? WOW. That last episode was like catnip to Star Wars fans. It had just about everything…
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December 19, 2020 2:32pm
- Batman
  
  Bloody fantastic stuff.
  
  Though my household is somewhat mad that the show may end and be replaced by Boba Fett…
  
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  December 19, 2020 3:46pm
Swifty

Eketahuna Christmas Parade 2017:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuIPYajJ8Kk

She was a real cracker that year.
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December 19, 2020 2:46pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Swifty:
  
  And to think that Nasska was once a proud Eketahuna-ian!
  
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  December 19, 2020 4:10pm
  - Swifty
    
    And so he should be Nostra – the town was sure pumping that night.
    
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    December 19, 2020 4:50pm
    - Harriet
      
      More like Rag Box Settlement Oklahoma in 1957.
      
      I always said Nasska had six fingers. 😎
      
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      December 19, 2020 5:42pm
      - Swifty
        
        I’m sorry, I don’t know what you are referring to.
        
        All I know is that things kicked off in Eketahuna that night, I was there.
        
        Things got so wild that the party spilled out of the woolshed and into the implement shed.
        
        No-one had seen anything like it, since the arrival of the first tractor in the district in 1927.
        
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        December 19, 2020 6:30pm
GazzaW

Who picked Jack Tame for the TV One America’s Cup commentary team? What an embarrassing dork.
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December 19, 2020 3:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Racing in Auckland is delayed. Course changed, but hundreds of spectator boats in the race area. Thank fuck I am not out there today. Idiots were not moving, but now the message went out on social media and they are moving slowly. These are not fizz boats, these are large boats with wankers having a BBQ, dancing, and drinking piss.
Sad that Auckland now has so many fuckwits – where did they come from?
Yah, I also work in the marine industry, so I know the soy boys are out there
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December 19, 2020 3:47pm
- muppeth8r
  
  Jaffas for ya, esp those soy loaded ones. Like horse racing id say most “spectators” dont watch or even remember any of the race as its just an excuse to piss up and be a retard.
  
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  December 19, 2020 4:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Reduced to 5 legs, not 6. So no fucking race downwind? That is not fair.
  
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  December 19, 2020 4:37pm
  - RJ
    
    Blame the people who didn’t move their boats off the race course quick enough.
    
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    December 19, 2020 4:57pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  GOD Steve, that America Cup yachting is sooo boring!
  My partner went out on someone else’s boat today. He said he’d be bringing a couple of the guys back here later for a barbie. Suggested i should watch the racing on telly so we can all have an intelligent conversation when they arrive.
  First race was delayed for an hour, then the stupid Poms blew the start anyway.
  Most interesting things to me, was to see that when they interviewed Stuart Nash he’d lost all his hair, and it is amazing how they paint those white lines on the water.
  
  Me….I’m heading back down by the pool with my nice cold bottle of Ned.
  
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  December 19, 2020 4:53pm
  - RJ
    
    That’s nice he is bringing everyone back to play barbie, who gets to play ken and do you have enough for everyone to play with
    
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    December 19, 2020 4:59pm
  - Harriet
    
    LOL Maggie I never new the America’s Cup was even being held – let alone in NZ.
    
    I hope the poor taxpayer didn’t have to chip in!
    
    I’m drinking TED at the mo — Toohey’s — Extra Dry. 😎
    
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    December 19, 2020 5:12pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Hi Hazz – just had a quik shower to get all the Walnut Oil off and getready to put on the ‘game face’.
      Don’t mentuion the taxpayer LOL!! We chiped in about 100mil i think!
      Hadnt even put there toez in the water and they got scamed oiut of abot 3 miil to some emaiml from Nigeria or something. Think the SFO are even stull lookung into it. Bioggest rort out by the sound of it 🙁
      
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      December 19, 2020 6:11pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Fun practice game – most in Auckland would know that, anyone south of the Shore are doing other shit?
      
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      December 19, 2020 6:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe your partner is on a boat with all the GPS turned off? White lines on the water are there all the time //
    
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    December 19, 2020 6:54pm
RJ

Disgusting, a drunk driver will be allowed to drive off drunk and put lives at risk

A car believed to have 3kg of meth onboard, a suspected drunk driver and stolen vehicles will no longer be pursued officers are being told as part of a leaked online traning module.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123766526/leaked-police-pursuit-module-reveals-advice-for-frontline-officers
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December 19, 2020 5:22pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123766996/hamilton-homicide-victim-was-mother-of-fourmonthold-baby
And so it goes on.
What the hell is the matter with this place ?
Why don’t we ever hear about these sort of events occurring in other countries ?
What ( or who ) do we have in NZ that no other country has ?
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December 19, 2020 5:35pm
- RJ
  
  Try reading news from other countries
  
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  December 19, 2020 5:57pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  We’ve got “Once Were Warriors” who have to beat women and children to feel they are still warriors.
  
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  December 19, 2020 7:40pm
greybeard

“We went hard”.
“We went early”.
“Our controls are Gold Standard”.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300188106/government-dumps-damning-health-report-on-last-day-of-the-year
Oh. Shit.
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December 19, 2020 5:42pm
- RJ
  
  Correction
  
  We did nothing until the principals closed the schools and then we looked like idiots so the education minister made an announcement,
  
  We left the boarders open until the businesses and medical community demanded and sent a letter to Cindy demanding it be closed down.
  
  We were going to continue with the Christchurch memorial until Ashley threatened to resign if it still went ahead.
  
  We stood before the public every day and lied like hell that doctors a nurse had everything they needed, when we knew they didn’t.
  
  We stood before the public each day and lied like hell that their was enough flu vaccine, shit we didn’t get enough and it had to be rationed. We didn’t learn from the measles or Meningitis vaccines that we screwed up to
  
  But Cindy put her head to the side it made it look like she cared while the health minister was out riding his bike and having a picnic at the beach.
  
  But hey, we got lucky
  
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  December 19, 2020 5:50pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    You absolutely nailed it – thanks!
    
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    December 19, 2020 7:12pm
  - Paulus
    
    I expect that Ashley will be banned from commenting on this in respect of next March Christchurch Mosque celebration under committee discussion in the Beehive.
    Along with the compensation being promised by Cindy for families of those involved including peripherally to those who are still here with special visas.
    
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    December 20, 2020 11:17am
lazza

Hey Ian Boag re my “rant” see above … you ask what alternative/what would other administrations have done in the same position in exercising their naked majority power.

Your question surprised me. It should be obvious that I have focused on the Labour Government’s misuse of their majority with a cynical dishonets self serving machinations … and they LIE!

Get it?

Any administration with an ounce of integrity would not countenance the abuses listed and as Labour has employed them and as a matter of course by JA and her sorry bunch of incompetents. The others give their support with plainly dishonest policies and practices, rotten to the core … the rest just going along with it all to secure the limo and pay package.

They are a disgrace. Second rant? … over.

Footnote: current up ticks 58 downers 20
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December 19, 2020 7:52pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Nice rant. I missed the bit where you told us what you would have done …..
  
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  December 19, 2020 8:01pm
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    Oops a para was omitted It reads.
    
    “I am surprised you ask this question Ian, as it should be blindingly obvious that the answer to your question of what others should do instead is … To eschew the self -interested cynical and dishonest ploys and as employed by the existing Labour government”.
    
    Pretty simple really, as practically every important Labour-initiated policy is dominated by their corrupt take on things being their default position.
    
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    December 19, 2020 8:33pm
lazza

The good news for AC watchers is that Utube and other way better (KenRead and others) internet-live broadcast options are there if you search em out.

Beats the inane, asinine , juvenile drivel from the TVNZ “ring-in” “rent a crowd ” pop media bozos … ehh?
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December 19, 2020 8:19pm
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  Yeah, far better coverage than the tvnz gossip crap
  
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  December 19, 2020 9:50pm
rouppe

Same sex couple give birth

It blows my mind the normalisation of the impossible
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