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Don Beckett

Have good day trendsetters. 🙂
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December 17, 2020 8:05am
- IC5000
  
  How does utter defeat feel Don?
  
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  December 17, 2020 2:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Leave his utters alone, play with your own
    
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    December 17, 2020 6:16pm
    - Mike
      
      You must be the life and soul of the party at your rest home happy hour.
      
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      December 17, 2020 6:27pm
    - IC5000
      
      Upvote from me Otto.
      
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      December 17, 2020 7:41pm
Maggie Pie

From the ‘Phil Twyford Manual of Similar Sounding Names’

Are Green’s list MP
Ricardo Menendez-March

and

Chief Executive Parliamentary Services
Rafael Gonzalez-Montero

both Mexicans?
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December 17, 2020 8:06am
- RalphT
  
  No. I believe the latter is Colombian.
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, from Bogota.
    
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    December 17, 2020 8:31am
- iMP
  
  No Ricardo Menendez-March is actually spelt P-L-0-N-K-E-R.
  
  Bob Jones said so
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:15am
  - mandk
    
    No, plonker is too mild a term for Menendez-March.
    
    A plonker is an incompetent idiot (think Twyford), but Menendez-March is truly malign. He urges people to do crime and he used the occasion of his maiden speech to slander people.
    
    What would be a suitable epithet?
    
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    December 17, 2020 8:40am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Have any of his Green colleagues come forward to defend him?
      
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      December 17, 2020 9:05am
      - pdm
        
        Probably not worth saving.
        
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        December 17, 2020 9:39am
      - cmm
        
        You mean his brothers and sisters of the trough or do you mean the MSM?
        
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        December 17, 2020 9:51am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        cmm, I originally meant other Green MPs but since the answer appears to be no – I’ll reformulate.
        
        Has anybody at all come forward to defend him?
        
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        December 17, 2020 11:37am
      - cmm
        
        Just allowing him to continue and keeping him there is defending him.
        
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        December 17, 2020 1:44pm
    - zulumonster
      
      I think Sir Bob got it right with A horrible Green Party little turd
      
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      December 17, 2020 9:19am
    - rouppe
      
      I was thinking about Mendez’s comment about people like Bob Jones treating people like units of production.
      
      He should look at recent employee exploitation cases. Pretty much all from “ethnic” employers
      
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      December 17, 2020 9:22am
  - kloyd0306
    
    It’s official:
    Oxford has announced that “turd” and “plonker” are now synonyms.
    The only thing Jones got wrong is: Menendez-March is a big plonker/turd – and bigger smells more.
    
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    December 17, 2020 10:14am
    - UkiWop
      
      Green Turd from eating too many veggies
      
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      December 17, 2020 11:11am
- Master Mariner
  
  Great, We have got “The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers” Here now.
  
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  December 17, 2020 3:47pm
NewInoffensiveName

The list of 1.95 million CCP members, many of which have already been found in positions of influence in business and government overseas, has been translated into English. I wonder if any NZ journalist would be tempted into checking this against our own institutions?

https://mega.nz/folder/dvBUGTbB#YBzrXfVm1dSmJ5HdRRgMJg
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December 17, 2020 8:07am
- iMP
  
  Ccc mayor Lianne’s Dalz under investigation for electoral fraud by SFO and Commission. Hubby funded her and son’s campaigns for years. Got lots of money from Chy-nna. Actually heard LDalz sing to Chinese in Chinese in public, such is the ingratiation.
  
  And that is not part of the China infiltration and influence-buying of local and central poli.s by the Chinese state for long term influence and manipulation? Indicative of what they’ve been doing with mayors, governors and congresspeople in America for a generation. We are so naive.
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:18am
  - Liberty
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Just another anti-Chinese rant.
    
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    December 17, 2020 8:34am
    - NewInoffensiveName
      
      Anti-CCP is not the same as anti-Chinese.
      
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      December 17, 2020 8:36am
      - kowtow
        
        You can see the anti liberty tactic there from “Liberty” . Make the issue racism and voila the debate is over , hushed up , gulaged , embargoed , ignored ,ended like our ancient liberties.
        
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        December 17, 2020 8:53am
      - Liberty
        
        Our charming English city Christchurch was built with English money and influenced by English Toffs. Which is no difference to well healed Chinese doing the same thing now.
        But because they come from Chy-nna the rednecks get their knickers in a knot.
        
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        December 17, 2020 10:06am
      - simonway
        
        That’s true.
        
        Getting mad about a politician singing a song in a Chinese language to Chinese people is not anti-CCP, it is anti-Chinese.
        
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        December 17, 2020 11:04am
      - IC5000
        
        > But because they come from Chy-nna the rednecks get their knickers in a knot
        
        If you want to subordinate yourself to the CCP that’s cool. There is a country you can move to without inflicting this on the rest of us.
        
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        December 17, 2020 3:00pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      6 dozen wontons heading your way, comrade. Keep it up your masters approve and nobody will spot your obvious motives.
      
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      December 17, 2020 11:08am
    - Adroit
      
      Your attempt at conflating criticism of the CCP with racism is noted.
      
      A classic play from pro-CCP shills.
      
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      December 17, 2020 12:29pm
      - Batman
        
        That doesn’t make them pro-CCP. That’s an equally silly position.
        
        The point is that many of the people who are motivated about this topic tend to let their questionable views shine through.
        
        Just look at the comments about wontons and such…
        
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        December 17, 2020 12:38pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Batman: what have you got against wontons?
        
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        December 17, 2020 12:48pm
  - MCos
    
    You know who donated the undisclosed money to Lianne Dalziel’s campaign and there’s a big list of alleged communist party members so you can do a cross check.
    If there’s a match that’s a start rather than the laughable singing in Chinese innuendo.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405888/john-minto-calls-for-investigation-over-christchurch-mayor-lianne-dalziel-political-donations
    
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    December 17, 2020 9:03am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      What do you mean by “..the laughable singing in Chinese innuendo.”?
      
      “Christchurch Mayor Lianne Dalziel is impressing local dignitaries with her ability to sing love songs in Mandarin.
      
      Dalziel has learnt to sing two Chinese love songs in Mandarin, even though her spoken Mandarin vocabulary is limited.
      
      Wuhan vice mayor Lu Shaye said he had never heard a foreign guest sing so well in Chinese.”
      
      Not innuendo – fact.
      
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      December 17, 2020 11:13am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        It’s a fact that she sang a song in Chinese. The laughable innuendo is that that makes her an agent for the CCP.
        
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        December 17, 2020 11:40am
  - GazzaW
    
    Auckland mayor Len Brown had a very strong intra-office connection with China and was a regular visitor to the PRC.
    
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    December 17, 2020 9:46am
    - oldfella
      
      Yep, Gazza, Len Brown was a big China fan. Deep roots everywhere.
      
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      December 17, 2020 11:11am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        He tabled many relevant motions at the time as we were subsequently informed.
        
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        December 17, 2020 6:04pm
- kowtow
  
  Their newsroom bosses would consider holding communists to account as “racist” , so on that account there’ll be little or no further “investigation”.
  
  The other issue is that down under the CCP is making a public point of “punishing” the Ockers for having the temerity to think independently , a point that won’t be missed in the halls of power in NZ but that won’t be highlighted in the hopes the crocodile will eat us last.
  
  Meanwhile there’s a silly beer ad showing kiwis standing up to the French and we still aren’t hot on US ship visits .
  
  Theatre for the thick.
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:40am
- RJ
  
  China is the major problem this world faces and people don’t realise it. Nor do they realise just how much control they have in our countries.
  
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  December 17, 2020 9:49am
  - oldfella
    
    Remember, RJ, ‘China is asshole!’
    
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    December 17, 2020 11:12am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    And all around us, particularly the Pacific Islands. The Australians are just waking up to it, most likely too late. New Zealand should be standing shoulder to shoulder with Australia, and wean ourselves off the addiction to Chinese cash.
    
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    December 17, 2020 11:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh heck this is confusing…
    I thought Global warming was the major problem.
    
    https://www.newamerica.org/weekly/humanitys-greatest-existential-crisis/
    
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    December 17, 2020 12:51pm
- Batman
  
  In response to NINs original post, it was on Stuff yesterday and detailed the organisations without publicly naming people.
  
  So yes it is already done and you’re a day late buddy ?
  
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  December 17, 2020 11:42am
NewInoffensiveName

Further to my post above:

1. Trump is inaugurated for a second consecutive term.

2. CCP influence in the USA is crushed with global ramifications.

3. Much CCP influence in NZ is discovered, including in both major political parties.

4. Labour will not, in its present form, survive as government beyond 2021.

For those who are sceptical of the above, let us wager on the outcome of #1, shall we?
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December 17, 2020 8:12am
- MCos
  
  I can understand why you use a non de plume. You’d be bankrupt in short order otherwise.
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:23am
  - NewInoffensiveName
    
    Want to put your money where your mouth is, MCos? What odds will you offer since you are so certain of the outcome?
    
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    December 17, 2020 8:37am
    - simonway
      
      The issue is that, just like the fake “electors” from “contested states” who purport to have cast electoral college votes for Trump, there will inevitably be some group of crackpots who organise a fake event that they claim is the inauguration of Trump’s second term.
      
      And after Joe Biden is inaugurated, you’ll point to the fake Trump inauguration as proof that you won the bet.
      
      Why would anyone bother going through a pointless process like that when you’ll just refuse to pay up?
      
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      December 17, 2020 11:08am
      - NewInoffensiveName
        
        It is a pity that you feel so free to insult other people on this site. No cure for poor parenting, eh?
        
        I would happily put my stakes into the hands of a trusted third party…would you?
        
        The bet is that Trump will be formally inaugurated for a second consecutive term (at the real event).
        
        Now, sir, what odds are you offering?
        
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        December 17, 2020 11:33am
      - C J Southern
        
        @NewInoffensiveName
        
        David Garrett and one other were willing to take your money – at 20:1 odds none-the-less.
        
        Sounds like you should sell up and bet the farm on this one!
        
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        December 17, 2020 5:28pm
    - MCos
      
      Not with this jiggery pokery going on
      https://twitter.com/ghostofluv3/status/1339398194812219392?s=21
      
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      December 17, 2020 4:36pm
- Liberty
  
  1 You are dreaming. Trump is history.
  4 With a Albatross call Trev around Dear Leaders neck. The government
  Is crippled. Within a couple of months of
  Being elected in a shoddy election. The
  Chance of surviving are slim.
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:44am
  - NewInoffensiveName
    
    Well, if I am dreaming, come take my money! Since the outcome is so certain, what odds will you give?
    
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    December 17, 2020 9:08am
    - C J Southern
      
      More to the point, if you’re so sure, what odds will you give ME? 20:1 perhaps?
      
      I’ll happily pop a grand with a trusted escrow on Trump not being POTUS at 12:01pm DC time come 20th Jan 2021 for the opportunity to win $20,000 of your money.
      
      So – we gunna do this?
      
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      December 17, 2020 5:32pm
      - C J Southern
        
        The silence is deafening.
        
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        December 17, 2020 10:21pm
iMP

LGBT-owned kilt maker denounces kilt-clad Proud Boys https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55326451

GAY KILTS. We always knew kilts were gay, but oh dear an LGBTQIxCFGHJ owner of a kilt shop is pulling all his yellow kilts because a “far right extremist” group ( the Proud Boys) wore them at a Trump rally.

Presumably the same angst will apply to all those ‘gayests-in-the-village’ appropriating nuns outfits, YMCA INdian headdresses, superhero costumes and Marmite/Sodomite costumes (as in past Wellington Santa Parades, I kid you not). Pride marches and Mardis Gras will be so bland.

Or does it only apply to “the Right” (even if LGB) while the Left can ( hypocritically) “do no evil” (Hollywood black facing ad nausem).

“Consistency” thou art an orphan to factional sanctimony!
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December 17, 2020 8:13am
- Adroit
  
  The irony is of course that wearing blackface is deemed to be an offensive caricature, but no so such self-awareness for the offensive caricatures that are men pretending to be women (and not in a wear-a-dress-to-your-stag kind of way).
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:21am
  - Paulus
    
    How many years ago as a child we watched the wonderful, happy and gay “Black & White Minstrel Show” on a Saturday evening on BBC.
    How the world has changed.
    
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    December 17, 2020 10:47am
    - oldfella
      
      Paulus, shouldn’t we be equally offended when mime artists wear whiteface?
      What about all those Maori performers pretending to be native Africans in ‘The Lion King’ stage show?
      Wow, something to offend everyone if we only look hard enough.
      BTW, you can still see clips from that old British ‘Black and White Minstrel Show’ on YouTube. Better hurry before the wokes out there find out and have it taken down.
      
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      December 17, 2020 11:25am
      - IC5000
        
        How about you start the Black and Tan Minstrel show and tour Ireland to see what the reaction is. Tell them they shouldn’t be offended either
        
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        December 17, 2020 3:05pm
    - lifesgood
      
      I loved it. Never saw it as racist, but there you go.
      
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      December 17, 2020 12:18pm
    - giltee
      
      And as a child a rainbow had a pot of gold under instead of a group of strangely dressed people who have an identity crisis who expect us to believe they’re the new normal pot of gold. How times have changed
      
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      December 17, 2020 10:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Cuzzies will have to be careful wandering around Lewis and Skye
  https://d2fzf9bbqh0om5.cloudfront.net/images/846315/main/scottish-8-yard-kilt-and-accessories-package-13-oz-macleod-tartan-rebelsmarket.jpg?1592283419
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:27am
  - oldfella
    
    [Mod Note: Please stop making duplicate posts.]
    
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    December 17, 2020 11:27am
    - oldfella
      
      Mod, that was a mistake and I tried to delete the duplicate before you got to it. Do not have a habit of double posting. Cheers
      
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      December 17, 2020 11:33am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        It’s true that the delete function doesn’t always work.
        
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        December 17, 2020 12:20pm
  - oldfella
    
    Maggie, similarly, is it offensive if a non-Maori wears a Maori cloak? (Asking for my friend, Cindy.)
    
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    December 17, 2020 11:31am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      What if a Maori wears a top hat? Or a Stetson? Silly me, they’d never appropriate someone else’s culture /sarc.
      
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      December 17, 2020 6:06pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Genuine Q then: if you’re not Clan Macleod, is it offensive to wear the yellow tartan? Surely this applies not just to proud boys, but all non-Clan Macleods. NB: that one’s last name doesn’t have to be Macleod to belong to the Clan, Mr Pharma [a Scotsman] wears the Mackenzie tartan for formal occasions, but his last name is not Mackenzie.
  
  (Ah, I see Maggy W got there first)…
  
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  December 17, 2020 9:33am
  - rockape
    
    I had a freind in Scotland. Macintosh of Mackintosh who was the clan chief. In his house he had a painting of 40 members (male) of the clan. No two are wearing the same tartan. I dont have to be called Burton to wear a Burtons suit.
    
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    December 17, 2020 10:08am
    - Pharmachick
      
      LOL, I shall remember to add /s in future, since my sarcasm font doesn’t appear to be working. Point taken though, standardized tartans are a modern invention.
      
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      December 17, 2020 10:16am
      - Mike
        
        The only true way to identify a Scotsman is to watch how he tosses his caber.
        
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        December 17, 2020 10:24am
      - alwyn
        
        Bad luck Mike.
        The best Caber thrower in the 1970’s was actually a Yorkshireman, Arthur Rowe. He had been a world class shotputter but after an excursion into Rugby League he was declared a professional and could not go back to the strictly amateur sport and took to the Highland Games circuit.
        He won everything in sight from about 1963 to 1970 in the Highland Games throwing events like the caber and the shotput and hammer throw.
        He competed of course in a kilt. As a very large, very strong man I doubt if anyone would have the nerve to object to his attire.
        
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        December 17, 2020 4:23pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        @Mike … bad luck X 2 (after alwyn):
        
        “The only true way to identify a Scotsman is to watch how he tosses his caber”
        
        Oh REEEEAALLLLY, beg to differ [arch]. Since this is a family show, I’ll stop now…
        
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        December 17, 2020 4:51pm
Paulus

I understand there has been seen in Wellington a new bird flying around the Parliamentary precinct.
It has been named the Ardern-Mallard and rather than a duck is more like an Albatross.
It is expected to hang around for some time unless it is captured as a large smell is following it.
The only way will be to eliminated this Albatross as soon as possible as otherwise the smell will continue for some time.
Another $50 million brown envelope may help as the economy appears to be booming again, as Robertson, a smell reducer keeps saying.
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December 17, 2020 8:13am
- sooty
  
  I saw it and thought it was a bloody great shag!
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:44am
- namron
  
  Think of the uproar if jacinda recommended Mallard for a New Years honour!!
  How does Sir Trevor sound?
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:47am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    If she did she would PLUMMET in the polls
    
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    December 17, 2020 9:30am
  - Mike
    
    Sorry, this year’s political knighthood has already been allocated to the Right Honourable Winston Peters.
    
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    December 17, 2020 9:44am
  - Paulus
    
    Red pen now to Mallard – he is totally Ducked !
    Sir Winston though is keeping quiet.
    
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    December 17, 2020 10:49am
- Hard Cheese
  
  I notice lots of sudden announcements by Ardern to try and keep the Duck off the front page. Cooks travel bubble, Australia travel bubble, now vaccine rollout and acquisition news. Amazing how invested she is in Mallard. Of course, in the Labour way, saying is not doing, but I image she’ll roll out a few more of these “distract the serfs without burning political capital” stories. My next bet is an announcement on the Matariki public holiday.
  
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  December 17, 2020 9:45am
  - Paulus
    
    Ihumatao now sold with your money to the Maori.
    
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    December 17, 2020 1:21pm
I remember when

NZ has the lowest covid-19 death rate in the OECD.
United States has one of the highest.
So if Jacinda and Ashley were Donald Trump and Faucci, would the United States have been relatively free of deaths?
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December 17, 2020 8:15am
- rangitoto
  
  Nope.
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:36am
- Frank the tank
  
  Taiwan 7 deaths out of the population of 24m; Little Aotearoa 25 deaths out of 4.8m people.
  
  Taiwan is the template – good luck explaining that to the MSM
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:45am
  - MCos
    
    I heard an interview on the radio with a Kiwi who lives in Taiwan and he explained the measures taken to suppress COVID-19 in that country.
    It made our lockdown sound like a walk in the park & would have been unacceptable to enough NZers not to have have worked here.
    The NZ style lockdown, in turn, would not have worked in America no matter who was in charge.
    
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    December 17, 2020 10:13am
    - Frank the tank
      
      What like having a covid test before boarding a plane?
      Like restricting travel from high infection locations?
      Like having face masks available to the public?
      Like have tracing technology that works?
      Like having a properly functioning health and disease state apparatus with competent specialists that identified risk early?
      
      Sounds like they went hard and fast……
      
      Stop deluding yourself they did it better, faster and smarter than the Blairite & St Ash.
      
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      December 17, 2020 10:38am
  - namron
    
    Taiwan and NZ have significant geographic positions – small islands and with lots of water all around, which makes a considerable difference.
    Notice how jacinda doesn’t mention this and takes FULL credit!
    
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    December 17, 2020 11:08am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Taiwan is 1000km from the epicentre of the outbreak
      NZ is 10X further away.
      
      Taiwan had daily flights to at least 24 destinations in Mainland China and at least 4 ferry services.
      
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      December 17, 2020 12:43pm
- RJ
  
  No, the governors would of still done what they did that caused the issues In their states.
  
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  December 17, 2020 9:43am
harvey wilson

I was pleased to see two of the roastbusters were charged last night and the third will be if he ever sets foot in NZ .

The odds on any of our media bringing up Willie Jackson mocking and victim blaming one of the victims live on air and minimising what these disgusting creatures did are probably on a par with the odds of a one legged cat burying its turd in a frozen pond .
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December 17, 2020 8:22am
- Frank the tank
  
  Darryl Kerrigan is on the phone regarding the likelihood of a conviction here.
  
  Unfortunately this is more in line with police processes regarding suspected rape nowadays. Rather than themselves trying to establish the burden of proof they forward this on the courts to decide. Ironically brought in after the roast busters.
  
  Hate to sound like Ramsay Bolton but unless there is some very good new evidence here there is unlikely to be the happy ending many are hoping for.
  
  This also goes to the heart of why Angry wants the screw the scrum regarding rape cases. The burden of proof without compelling forensic evidence is hard to prove.
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:52am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Hunter Biden. Beyond parody 😛

https://twitter.com/VanityFair/status/1339280406508675073
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December 17, 2020 8:28am
Maggy Wassilieff

It is inappropriate for the public to see how Labour intends to protect Young folks in its midst.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/why-the-labour-party-wont-release-the-full-maria-austen-report-on-summer-youth-camp-scandal/GU6X7FVAPUYBVURRXVPOO4VILI/
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December 17, 2020 8:36am
- SB2
  
  MW,whatever. As the election result suggests people want to move on.
  In other words hurricane in a tea cup stuff.
  
  [Deleted – mod]
  
  [Mod – sexual assault is a serious matter Stephie, regardless of the politics of the perpetrator. If you want a Christmas holiday, you’re going the right way about it]
  
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  December 17, 2019 11:34am
  - lifesgood
    
    SB2 That is a disgusting remark. How would you feel if your daughter had someone thrust their hand down her pants? Would you just “move on”?
    
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    December 17, 2020 12:24pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Who cares anyway?
    
    I get it.
    
    You find abuse perfectly acceptable.
    
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    December 17, 2020 12:32pm
    - Swifty
      
      It’s his go to reply when he has run out of other stock answers.
      
      Note that it never directly addresses the issues – it’s just more bait and switch.
      
      When he can’t think of a decent reply (which is 98% of the time) he just reaches for his list of diversionary replies:
      
      Voters don’t care
      You get this from Brietbart? Lol!
      Yawn!
      Concerns noted and ignored.
      Attacks the author of the piece someone linked to (often using Rationalwiki)
      Changes the subject
      
      …or just runs away claiming victory.
      
      He’s the most dishonest poster on this site.
      
      I will admit there have been times I have felt like leaving KB because of the pall he places over it with his constant sniping, attacking the person not the issue, snarks, slurs, dishonesty, refusal to admit when he’s wrong and general scumbaggery.
      
      I have stayed out of my wish to contribute, to learn from others and to debate issues of importance to New Zealanders (and to put the shit into lefty wrongness…)
      
      But he makes this an unpleasant place to be much of the time.
      
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      December 17, 2020 12:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And as we can see so clearly, he continues to target my posts.
        
        I get that also…
        
        subtle little message that I am being watched…(and probably not just by SB2)
        
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        December 17, 2020 1:08pm
      - IC5000
        
        > subtle little message that I am being watched
        
        You are literally obsessed with SB2
        
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        December 17, 2020 3:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @IC5000
        
        No, I’m not obsessed with SB2 or anyone who indulges in personal abuse against me on this blog.
        
        I’m fed up with it, but I’m no longer willing to sit back and let the crap pile up on me.
        
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        December 17, 2020 3:46pm
    - SB2
      
      MW, not at all and the Court tended to agree with a discharge without conviction,
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/404327/young-labour-summer-camp-assaulter-discharged-without-conviction
      
      Which suggests an offence that was in context not that serious .
      
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      December 17, 2020 1:00pm
      - Swifty
        
        You sick unit.
        
        Did you not read or hear the victim statements?
        
        Did you not read how badly the victims felt done by; with how the Labour Party machine left them feeling powerless and re-victimised with their long-successful sweeping it all under the carpet until it eventually all came out?
        
        This is the left everyone! Proclaims to be on the side of the powerless, but in reality, they are to be abandoned and discarded if their interests clash with those of the Party.
        
        Normally I would invite SB2 to reexamine his conscience, but I know it’s a waste of time.
        
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        December 17, 2020 1:24pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I note that after 2017 jacinda stopped using the “most transparent government” slogan.
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:41am
  - RightFirstTime
    
    Whatever happened to “The team of five million?”. Maybe it isn’t getting such a positive response in the research these days.
    
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    December 17, 2020 10:24pm
- harvey wilson
  
  All jokes aside any parent who lets their teenager volunteer for Labour is insane .
  There’s been so many “ isolated incidents “ over the years some might say there’s a pattern of behaviour.
  
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  December 17, 2020 9:05am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  The only “thing“ released was Master Roman hands and Russian fingers, is he still lurking around NZ or has he fled the country.
  One of life’s great mysteries
  
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  December 17, 2020 9:35am
  - sooty
    
    What, send him overseas away from bubbleheads saving hands, to that covid infected world out there?
    Even the english labour party could not guarantee his safety from the CCP Virus!
    So what would you do, travel or stay locked up in fraser house basement?
    
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    December 17, 2020 10:10am
- RJ
  
  They never have protected young people and never will. Just quietly send the rapist over to England to live is their usual thing…….
  
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  December 17, 2020 9:44am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Doesn’t seem a little ironic that a mans career is ruined and labelled a rapist by the speaker of the house, for I am not to sure, but a young man with what must unbelievable connections, sticks his hands down several persons pants, but he is labelled nothing by his beloved Labour Party.
  I guess if we follow Trev’s line of thought farts, he could be labelled a multiple rapist, but we can’t the NZ justice system has set him free of his sins.
  
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  December 17, 2020 10:05am
KevO'Brien

Tesla’s work has been confirmed, energy can be obtained from the surrounding electrical fields we live in. When a coil passes through the field of a magnet we get electricity–that’s how its generated, but we can’t see any source.

It’s now been harnessed-free electricity. The inventor from Zimbabwe, Maxwell Chikumbutso, after serious diligence, whisked off to the USA for protection.
a 50Kw unit powering 10 homes in a rural area was publicly revealed last September.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0CvyfIuoGU&list=TLPQMTYxMjIwMjBg4azbUNTqaQ&index=3

A more detailed presentation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyHWZdH1tqQ

Alleluia.
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December 17, 2020 8:40am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Anybody can put anything on YouTube. Have peer reviewed findings been published?
  
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  December 17, 2020 9:08am
  - Mike
    
    1776
    
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    December 17, 2020 9:46am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The “generator” is happily running in Harare where power is not provide to homes.
    It has been carefully looked at, validated, and Maxwell whisked off to the US for protection of himself and his valuable invention.
    I was sceptical too initially. I understand production is coming on stream.
    
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    December 17, 2020 11:19am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      By whom has it been carefully looked at and validated, by whom have their findings been peer reviewed and where are they published? From whom do you understand that production is coming on stream?
      
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      December 17, 2020 11:45am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It’s either a fraud, with the Zimbabwe President upholding it, or something is actually happening. Look at the videos for yourself, they give sufficient background.
        
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        December 17, 2020 1:32pm
- NoCash
  
  I like his last name Chikumbutso, it means Memorial in Nyanja.
  
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  December 17, 2020 9:22am
- NoCash
  
  When a coil passes through the field of a magnet we get electricity–that’s how its generated, but we can’t see any source.
  
  What drives the moving coil or magnet?
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics
  
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  December 17, 2020 10:47am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I’m not going to argue this stuff. Look and see for yourself. Ten houses in Harare have been running on the invention for some months.
    There’s a great deal we don’t understand about how the world works, but its still does. The proof is in the performance.
    
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    December 17, 2020 11:25am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The first video show the people who organised the checking out in Harare. Much is hidden but also much is revealed.
  It gives Maxwell’s background and prior lack of any technical education. His inventions include an electric car (no batteries), an aircraft guidance, landing, system (adopted by their Air Force), a multi-fuel helicopter and more as well as the “microsonic” power unit. His lowly background is verifiable so the claims are outrageous for someone so untrained.
  
  Maxwell Chikumbutso attributes all his work to God and to being directed by him directly on the technical detailing–a powerful testimony. It’s been well verified on site by many (power is scarce in Harare) that the demo unit is producing continuously 24/7 50Kw-220V-50Hz microprocessor conditioned pure sinewave, AC as claimed without any external sources. A serious feat of electrical engineering! A 500Kw plant has been shown previously. A notional life of 25 years continuous operation is projected. So it’s either a very elaborate hoax or a fact to live with. It’s been powering a cluster of 5 homes for the past few months.
  
  Where does the power come from without any wires attached? Tesla is famed for his prior attempts. I don’t know his work fully but the general understanding is that we exist in a state surrounded by many magnetic or electrical fields or other peculiarities which when their properties are known may be tapped into. There are others working diligently on trying to tap electricity from small plasma devices.
  Our knowledge of physics is necessarily limited and will always be. It’s more easy to argue than accept an unusual unknown.
  The world has been needing a free green source of energy. This should put paid to the climate change worriers. Maxwell sees his people getting what they sorely lack.
  It looks like God has once again come through for humanity just when we need it.
  
  [I have been reluctant to write about this since discovering it about 6 months ago. Only last night I found the videos showing how Maxwell got to the USA and how his
  friends had sponsored the setup of the public demonstration in September. The backing of the Zimbabwe President is also affirmed. I have seen the video of the ride around Harare in the run-forever electric car.]
  
  Let us enjoy this gift to the world.
  
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  December 17, 2020 2:34pm
  - NoCash
    
    “INVENTION OR REPLICATION? | The Herald” https://www.herald.co.zw/invention-or-replication/amp/
    
    His country’s media isn’t playing nice.
    
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    December 17, 2020 2:47pm
  - RichardX
    
    I believe you need to do more research on Maxwell Chikumbutso.
    
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    December 17, 2020 4:00pm
- C J Southern
  
  All I can say is “at least you’re consistent”.
  
  Sigh.
  
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  December 17, 2020 4:59pm
DRHILL

Dec 15th – Jacinda tells NZ there will be a travel bubble with Australia in Early 2021
Dec 17th – Sydney confirms 3 covid cases in the wild
Dec 18th – Jacinda tell NZ the Travel Bubble is over?
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December 17, 2020 8:43am
- Frank the tank
  
  You have to be fucking stupid not to be cynical regarding the Australian travel bubble. Roman Emperors employed the same psychology on the masses.
  
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  December 17, 2020 9:18am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I’m not fucking stupid, although I once did so in my teens…
    
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    December 17, 2020 6:10pm
- SB2
  
  I think the PM and her advsiors are taking a sesnible cautionary approach with the travel bubble opening April 2021.
  
  A case of damned if you do and damned it you don’t.
  
  “Roman Emperors employed the same psychology on the masses”
  
  ???
  
  Elaborate, please.
  
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  December 17, 2020 1:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Panem et circenses.
    
    https://imgur.com/gallery/5YPCE
    
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    December 17, 2020 1:25pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      “Christians, we’ve arranged for you to lunch with the lions.”
      
      Very sadly, this is still happening to modern day Christians with Copts in Egypt, Christians in Nigeria, Yazidis in Syria… but all the media whores can spout about is Orange Man Bad or Treaty treatises.
      
      Sheesh. Enough to make me open that second bottle of Bushmill’s, not for the first time.
      
      As an atheist I still find it entirely appalling that one bunch of religious kill another bunch just because of religion. Can’t they leave it to their gods to sort it all out in the hereafter they believe in?
      
      Glass, bottle, ice, assembly required but straightforward.
      
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      December 17, 2020 6:11pm
Maggie Pie

When ‘Maggy W’ alerted the group last night that arrests had finally been made in the 7 year old ROAST BUSTERS case, I went thru the all the old links provided in her post…… and it made my blood run cold.
Why has it taken sooo long to bring these creeps before the Court?

https://newssummedup.com/a/bb6tuz
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December 17, 2020 8:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Because some of the accused were well connected and the Cops made a dog’s breakfast (deliberately?) of the first investigation.
  
  The Independent Police Conduct Authority found a number of shortcomings in the Operation Clover investigation. It found police “did not adequately follow up positive lines of inquiry” and they “did not accurately record information” or join the dots between historic complaints about the accused men.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/12/roast-busters-two-men-charged-another-wanted-for-arrest-over-alleged-underage-sex-crimes.html
  
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  December 17, 2020 8:57am
- RJ
  
  About bloody time. Now lay charges on all those friends that kept this from happening sooner.
  
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  December 17, 2020 10:02am
I remember when

Went to a commercial go-kart racing firm yesterday to get some vouchers for Christmas presents.
While we were waiting there were a couple of sessions completed.
My wife commented that, “The staff should be wearing earmuffs.
I said “WHAT DID YOU SAY!”
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December 17, 2020 8:48am
Yvette

Simply, it seems Mallard realised his mistake within about 24 hours but instead of correcting it in any way, let the staffer be dismissed, resulting in his present ill-health and costing taxpayers $330,000 in legal fees, with compensation or damages likely, and still to be determined by other legal action.
Mallard claims a technicality in the meaning of a word, “rape”, that is understood by most people to be a particularly serious assault, and illogically suggesting he shouldn’t have got involved in a situation that his own mistake had created.
So after allowing this apparent deception to carry on for about 570 days, Mallard still believes his employment as judge of other’s behaviour, honesty and good conduct, should continue unquestioned?
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December 17, 2020 8:56am
- Paulus
  
  Typical Labour bullshit, after being caught !
  
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  December 17, 2020 10:53am
niggly

Are we about to witness a Duck transforming into an Albatross?

And does Ardern prefer wearing an Albatross around her neck rather than jewelry?
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December 17, 2020 8:58am
tf78

Over the past few days I have received calls from what I thought were wrong numbers: “Good afternoon Aroha “,they said, I said “I’m sorry you have the wrong number”. I’ve now clicked someone is trying to learn me Maori. They were collecting money so that definitely didn’t work on me.
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December 17, 2020 9:07am
Happychappy

I find that we have another source of the media that are willing to print the bullshit and bluster of Grant Roberson and our economy but show no interest in printing the libelous outcome of the Speaker or the lie he told at the select committee yesterday over the cost to taxpayers for destroying a Parliamentary workers name and credibility concerning rape. I actually thought that Newsroom was there to show NZer’s the truth and hold Politicians for their actions but it appears that when stories that should be
headlines and truth and facts published Newsroom are not prepared to show the kindness and transparency is just another of Jacinda Arderns catch phrase’s to con the public.
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December 17, 2020 9:10am
- Mike
  
  Why aren’t you happy, chappy?¹
  
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  December 17, 2020 9:49am
- Paulus
  
  Shows what another $50,000,000 can be expected from Ardern to the pro active pro media.
  
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  December 17, 2020 10:54am
I remember when

Otago DT: 12 Dec
“Waitaki councillor resigns, apologies after allegations of inappropriate behaviour at Council Christmas Party.
There you go Trevor, did it, admitted it, resigned, apologised – and still eight days until Christmas.
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December 17, 2020 9:44am
I remember when

Vanity Fair. 4 Dec
The Queen says Goodbye to her beloved Dorgi, Vulcan.
Vulcan, one of her two remaining Dorgis, died of old age. The Queen is ‘upset’ by the loss.
Only, Candy, her final Dorgi remains.
He final Corgi, Willow, died in 2018.

Now that IS real News.
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December 17, 2020 9:49am
- Paulus
  
  Have you ever watched your unconditional loving dog die ?
  I have so I understand her sadness.
  
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  December 17, 2020 10:57am
RJ

Emails obtained by U.S. Right to Know show that a statement5 in The Lancet authored by 27 prominent public health scientists condemning ‘conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin’ was organized by employees of EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit group that has received millions of dollars of U.S. taxpayer funding to genetically manipulate coronaviruses with scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

http://tapnewswire.com/2020/12/lancet-emails-entrap-covid-conspirators/
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December 17, 2020 9:51am
- Mike
  
  Hmmm, bold type – must be true…
  
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  December 17, 2020 10:28am
  - RJ
    
    Hmmm, stupid troll comment that doesn’t deal with what is said, must be mike
    
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    December 17, 2020 10:35am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Like anyone is going to go to the trouble of refuting your garbage.
      
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      December 17, 2020 11:16am
      - Batman
        
        Like arguing with a brick wall, you just end up with sore hands and nothing to show for it
        
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        December 17, 2020 11:19am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Relax, relax – Helen will get to the bottom of it.
    
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    December 17, 2020 10:41am
- MCos
  
  Who is US Right to Know?
  https://geneticliteracyproject.org/glp-facts/u-s-right-to-know-usrtk-organic-industry-funded-anti-bio-group-attacks-researchers/
  
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  December 17, 2020 10:31am
  - RJ
    
    doesn’t matter who they are, you can go and read the actual emails that show what they have said is correct.
    
    You can claim anything you like about them, but the emails shows what they show. Only an idiot would try to deny what is in the actual emails
    
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    December 17, 2020 10:50am
    - Batman
      
      “but the emails!!!”
      
      Has it occured to you to question the validity of so-called legitimate emails which are leaked?
      
      There’s a far better than 50% chance that they’re absolute horseshit, like those Kim Dotcom emails I often have to remind people of ?
      
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      December 17, 2020 11:53am
Ruahine

A couple of phrases one does not hear much these days.
It’s smoko time and affordable homes.
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December 17, 2020 10:20am
RJ

Veritas Obtains Recording Of Call Between Wikileaks Julian Assange & Lawyer In Clinton’s State Dept

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N8rUpGJ574&feature=youtu.be
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December 17, 2020 10:32am
graham

Some paper called ” The New York Daily News” has apparently run a front page referring to the Electoral College affirmation of Biden’s, where they proclaim in huge letters, “It’s over, even if fat man won’t sing.”

Just imagining the outrage if they used similar epithets about any woman at all … but apparently it’s just fine to mock Donald Trump in this way.

I thought fat-shaming was non-PC now? Obviously not … IF it’s Donald Trump that you’re mocking.
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December 17, 2020 10:33am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Poor ol’ Donald. Must be tough to be an fat, old, loser.
  I see today where he could be in trouble for voter fraud, as he does not have a residential address in Florida. SAD!
  
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  December 17, 2020 11:19am
  - Frank the tank
    
    I don’t know for sure but i’m predicting for a “fat old loser” he’s had a life most of us can only dream of.
    
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    December 17, 2020 11:44am
    - C J Southern
      
      Personally I’ve never had dreams of sexually assaulting women, lying pathologically, and defrauding people out of million for my own personal gain.
      
      To each their own though.
      
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      December 17, 2020 5:04pm
  - OTGO
    
    Come back to us when you are a billionaire married to a supermodel and President of the US and we might listen to you.
    
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    December 17, 2020 12:03pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Born into a fortune that he squandered, serial bankrupt, liar, cheat, conman, and adulterer. No, not someone I admire…
      
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      December 17, 2020 12:21pm
      - Frank the tank
        
        You sound salty. Jealous?
        
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        December 17, 2020 1:37pm
    - Flossie
      
      A super model? That’s news.
      
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      December 17, 2020 1:26pm
      - Mike
        
        Sounds a bit better than the usual description…
        
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        December 17, 2020 2:15pm
- Batman
  
  Graham, you can’t seriously be shocked that a tabloid uses crude language to sell papers and clicks?
  
  That industry is how Donald the myth was created to start with.
  
  Live by the sword, die by the sword and all that.
  
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  December 17, 2020 11:54am
  - graham
    
    Shocked? No. Not even surprised.
    
    Just disappointed, and a little tired, of the hypocrisy. I’d never even heard of The New York Daily News until now, but I suspect that they, like every other MSM organisation, are vocal in their condemnation of sexism, racism, homophobia, and every other issue that it’s so-o-o-oo trendy to be calling out and accusing people of supporting in some obscure way.
    
    However, when it comes to men – specifically WHITE men – it seems we’re fair game. And obviously, they feel the best time to kick someone is indeed when they’re already down.
    
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    December 17, 2020 4:08pm
Fletch

Mark Levin on “evidence” again, and how the media and other political analysts don’t actually know what they’re talking about – confusing civil and criminal cases.

When you bring a civil suit – as opposed to criminal charges against somebody – When you file a civil complaint you need “a reasonable basis in fact and law”. Allegations can be made on information and belief. A motion to dismiss tests the legal sufficiency of the complaint – assuming everything in the complaint is true.

Does it state a claim upon which relief can be granted? That’s the test. Not “look at all the evidence I have to get rid of a quarter of a million votes”. I think Professor Turley would agree with me. I think Mr. McCarthy would understand this, even though neither of them point that out.

So, for motion to dismiss, everything is assumed to be true and all reasonable inferences are granted to the plaintiff. Is that what’s happened here? Of course not. Then they say, “you gotta hurry up, I gotta hurry up I got deadlines, you know”. Okay, so what can judges do when there are deadlines? And they’ve done it many times. You order expedited discovery. Can do it right there, from the bench, particularly when injunctive relief is sought by temporary restraining order or preliminary injunction. Courts have the power to speed discovery along, and they do it all the time and it can be very fast. We haven’t had any courts do that; in fact the vast majority them haven’t wanted to look, “we don’t want to look I’m turning the other cheek. I’m not looking”.

Let’s talk about machines, and ballots. “Unexplained significant deviations from expected results”, in other words mathematical inconsistency supported by experts, is more than sufficient to establish a reasonable basis to file a complaint to overcome dismissal. And to justify fast discovery. Where was that done? In one tiny little County. And that’s it
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December 17, 2020 11:47am
- SB2
  
  Levin is dishing up the same kind of nonsense the Kiwi in America tried on us with his ” Unexplained significant deviations from expected results…”
  
  Let Levon and co the so called” experts ” waste the courts and most other peoples time with their fantastical claims.
  
  It’s all quite simple Trump and the GOP stuffed up hugely especially with the handling of the Covid Pandemic.
  
  Consider Trump’s mad ramblings about Fauci calling him an idiot etc. Thats the point where he really lost the plot and voters IMO turned against him. Typical of his campaign.
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fauci-says-he-s-not-surprised-trump-contracted-covid-19-n1243857
  
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  December 17, 2020 1:16pm
- C J Southern
  
  Please point me to just one example of evidence of widespread fraud that was accepted by a court.
  
  1st request.
  
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  December 17, 2020 5:06pm
oldfella

Just spotted this press release from Judith Collins on the Ihumatao shambles.
Now she just has to get as stroppy about protecting freedom of speech and I really will sit up and take notice.
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JC: ‘The Government will open a Pandora’s Box if it spends even a single cent of taxpayer money on cleaning up the mess it made at Ihumatao.
The Ihumatao situation is a problem of Jacinda Ardern’s own making, and taxpayers should not be bailing her out.
It’s difficult to fathom that with more than 20,000 Kiwi families currently waiting for a home the Government is prepared to spend millions stopping 480 much-needed houses from being built.’
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December 17, 2020 11:56am
- Chuck Bird
  
  It looks like they did not pay Fletchers a fair price. If Fletchers want more government contracts they will suck it up.
  
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  December 17, 2020 12:17pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Possibly, but what they probably won’t do is attempt any more projects involving building on Maori-owned land.
    
    This precedent is immensely damaging to Maori economic interests. If it is really the case that Maori-owned land cannot be sold or developed without the binding agreement of every single individual who has any shred of interest in the land – then that land is effectively worthless. That is a lot of Maori wealth gone, just like that.
    
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    December 17, 2020 12:30pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      t’s not Maori-owned land – it belongs to Fletchers and attempts to unravel the legitimate transaction that gave rise to Fletchers’ ownership have been tested and failed in every court of the land.
      
      And with no trace of irony whatsoever, the useless government has stated that the land “will be held in trust to be used for housing”.
      
      In other words, the exact purpose it was purchased for in the first place!
      
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      December 17, 2020 12:52pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        But they owned it because they had bought it from Maori, did they not? And despite having done so entirely legitimately, just as you say, they now find themselves having gained nothing but a heap of trouble from the transaction – which will likely make them extremely wary of trying the same again.
        
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        December 17, 2020 2:09pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Taxpayers getting ripped off by their own Government. Consider:
        Mallard wastes $333,000 plus with more to come for defaming a Public Servant.
        
        Cindy wastes $30m buying land stolen by Maori and gives the land to them.
        Megan Woods will waste $Xm building houses on newly gifted Maori land which will have no resale value because nobody in their right minds would buy any of it when there is a likelihood Maori will once again illegally occupy said land.
        All this doesn’t address future claims Maori will make on already settled Crown/Maori Treaty agreements.
        
        All this (with the exception of Mallard’s blatant F_up) because Pinocchio intervened in a dispute that was between Fletchers and some would-be thieves.
        
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        December 17, 2020 2:19pm
    - oldfella
      
      Albert, I’ve just been reading about this land deal on what I thought was an English language news site. Silly me…
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      Housing Minister Megan Woods said homes could be a mix of papakainga, mana whenua and some public housing.
      “There is a need for housing to support kaumatua and kuia of this place and this agreement recognises that,” Woods said.
      The agreement states that buying the land for housing “will not limit future discussions and decisions being made and implemented in relation to the use and ownership of the land .. through the roopu whakahaere [steering group] process.”
      
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      December 17, 2020 1:01pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Well yeah, but what guarantee do we have that any of that will go ahead, should the same people, or other people, take it into their heads that any proposed development isn’t to their liking either and start another protest? Just because there is “an agreement” doesn’t seem to mean anything. Fletchers had an agreement too.
        
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        December 17, 2020 2:04pm
- Spam
  
  Well, now it’s announced.
  
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  December 17, 2020 12:36pm
- artemisia
  
  Fortunately Ms Ardern has plenty of capital to burn. There will be a groundswell of voter anger over Ihumatao but not to worry, it will be forgotten by March 2021 when the hols are a distant perception.
  
  And a majority of voters gave this a tick anyway. It was not like it was a surprise.
  
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  December 17, 2020 1:57pm
Fletch

The Supreme Court has even struck down a Kansas suit requiring I.D in order to vote.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/total-betrayal-supreme-court-strikes-down-kansas-law-requiring-identification-to-vote/

As Levin points out, the justices on the court are scared. They are scared for themselves and for their families. They have seen what Antifa, BLM, and other mobs can do – harassing those they disagree with, going to their houses and places of business, threatening them and their family members. The Supreme Court has been cowed by threats of violence and thus some laws are now meaningless – eg, the law stating only the State legislature can change anything around elections, electors and voting. It’s now meaningless. SCOTUS have sat out this whole thing out of fear.
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December 17, 2020 12:04pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Gotta hand it to you Fletch.
  
  “Repetitious” seems to be your middle name, but this post adds “deluded” – SCOTUS justices handing down decisions based on fears for their safety. Yeah right …..
  
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  December 17, 2020 12:20pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    He has not yet run out of straws to clutch at…
    
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    December 17, 2020 12:23pm
  - Fletch
    
    Then tell me, what do you think would have happened had the Supreme Court taken up Texas’ case and nullified results in those four states?
    
    You know as well as I do – violence and riots. That is how the Democrats do business. They have their political faction – senators and so forth – and their foot soldiers, who go around violently rioting. It’s much like in the past when Dems had the KKK assuming that role. Exactly the same thing.
    
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    December 17, 2020 12:46pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      They do say that a bit of paranoia is healthy ….
      
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      December 17, 2020 1:05pm
      - Fletch
        
        Not paranoia, just fact. Did the Democrat leaders do anything to condemn violence by antifa and/or BLM? No. In many cases governors and mayors gave them free reign to vent. Withdrew police. Let them set up so-called “autonomous zones” where they were a law unto themselves. Instead Dems called them “largely peaceful protests”. The media even did the same while standing in front of burning shop fronts….
        
        It was only when it didn’t suit them that they said anything at all.
        
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        December 17, 2020 1:56pm
      - cha
        
        Did the Democrat leaders do anything to condemn violence by antifa and/or BLM?
        
        Of course they did..
        
        It was only when it didn’t suit them that they said anything at all
        
        ..and then Fletch qualifies his dissembling…
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        December 17, 2020 2:22pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Then tell me, what do you think would have happened had the Supreme Court taken up Texas’ case and nullified results in those four states?
      
      As I have said two or three times here over the last week – Texas had no standing to put up this case (under Article III, Section 2) to the Court, because it was never going to be able to demonstrate that it had been injured or damaged by the lawful actions of the Defendant States.
      
      Why do you keep ignoring that simple fact?
      
      For example, is Texas, right now, suffering harm equivalent to that which would occur by way of, for example—
      
      (a) a boundary dispute with a neighbouring State; or
      
      (b) another State transporting their (say) toxic waste to Texas, and dumping it there; or
      
      (c) its citizens being injured as a result of an unconstitutional tax imposition by another State; or
      
      (d) another State allocating water in such a manner as to disadvantage Texas?
      
      Of course not. Texas simply was never going to be able to put up “clear and convincing evidence” that the actions of the Defendant States had injured or damaged it. Consequently, Texas was unable to establish standing to bring the action it did against the Defendant States.
      
      As Rick Hasen, a law and political science professor at the University of California-Irvine, tweeted last week, it was only a “publicity stunt masquerading as a lawsuit”.
      
      It was never going to fly. The Court’s decision to decline to hear the case had nothing to with the justices being fearful for themselves or for their families.
      
      If you want to educate yourself about the Supreme Court’s original jurisdiction over disputes between States, I again recommend that you, and any other interested Kiwiblogger, at least skim-read one or both of these articles—
      
      The Supreme Court and Disputes Between States, an address by Charles Warren, February 8, 1940, at https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi? .
      
      and
      
      Original Intent: Understanding the Supreme Court’s Original Jurisdiction in Controversies Between States, by Kristen A. Linsley (2017), at https://lawrepository.ualr.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi? .
      
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      December 17, 2020 2:25pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Oh dear. Again, neither link worked. For anyone interested in the articles, just Google them.
        
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        December 17, 2020 2:34pm
      - C J Southern
        
        “Why do you keep ignoring that simple fact?”
        
        Because that’s what irrational people do. They distort everything around them so that it fits with their irrational positions.
        
        Alas, there is no known cure.
        
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        December 17, 2020 5:11pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Fletch
  You must be surely aware that excessive ID requirements is a well known voter suppression device, with a long history against black voters. I imagine the SC would be well aware of that, and would be ultra cautious about accepting any cases on that basis.
  As you well know, we don’t require voter ID when we vote in New Zealand. You simply have to tell the polling clerk you name and address. That is enough for them to identify you on the roll. When you have voted and your name is crossed out, no one else can legitimately vote. If there is a double vote, it is picked up on the full cross check which occurs during the official count over the next two weeks. There are basically zero double votes. As a basis of electoral fraud on any scale it is impossible, which is why it never happens. Either here or in the US.
  
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  December 17, 2020 4:18pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yes, I am aware, and it was usually a tactic employed by Democrats – including polling taxes and literary tests. But these days it is not unreasonable.
    
    Everyone needs an I.D to get on a plane, prove their age in a bar, get a driver’s license, join a library etc. But when it comes to voting, somehow it doesn’t matter? Why not have that safeguard? As I said, practically everyone will have an I.D of one sort or another, and they aren’t hard to get.
    
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    December 17, 2020 6:23pm
  - Fletch
    
    As a basis of electoral fraud on any scale it is impossible, which is why it never happens. Either here or in the US
    
    And I say that is actual bollocks in the U.S. Dems changed laws in states so that mail-in ballots didn’t require postal marks, signatures didn’t need to match the ones on file, ballots could be received after election day etc. Heck, states even mailed out ballots to everyone on their election lists – not knowing if those people had died, had moved to another state, etc, and received those back not really knowing WHO had filled it out. In short, they removed all safeguards.
    
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    December 17, 2020 6:56pm
oldfella

I thought the world had banned slavery. Apparently no one’s told China, which is sending Uighurs and other oppressed people into the fields to pick cotton.
I wonder if Hunter Biden has any of his Chinese pay-off money investing in this?
The story is from the BBC…
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China is forcing hundreds of thousands of Uighurs and other minorities into hard, manual labour in the vast cotton fields of its western region of Xinjiang, according to new research seen by the BBC.
Based on newly discovered online documents, it provides the first clear picture of the potential scale of forced labour in the picking of a crop that accounts for a fifth of the world’s cotton supply and is used widely throughout the global fashion industry.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/nz0g306v8c/china-tainted-cotton
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December 17, 2020 12:13pm
Tony Stuart

Judith Collins on the Ihumatao “settlement”:

Judith Collins @JudithCollinsMP
The Government is using taxpayers to pay off protestors, only to get fewer houses built. Bad news for Kiwis hoping for more housing, bad news for our full and final Treaty settlements and sets a very dangerous precedent for property rights.

https://twitter.com/JudithCollinsMP/status/1339357459492659200

Had Jacinda Ardern not stuck her nose into the Ihumatao dispute in July last year, dozens of houses, including houses for kuia and kaumatua of the mana whenua, would have already been built, and would now be occupied. Instead, the taxpayer is millions of dollars out of pocket, and nothing has yet been achieved, or is likely to in the immediate future.
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December 17, 2020 1:09pm
Swifty

Kiwiblog gets a mention from Sir Bob:

https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/12/17/a-note-of-thanks/

Nice one Bob.
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December 17, 2020 1:16pm
lifesgood

All those farmers and country people who voted Labour in better watch out, the floodgates have now been opened. Maybe they will realise how foolish they were now that their land may not be as safe as they think it is. All land is now fair game. What a bloody disgrace! Are any of us safe?
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December 17, 2020 1:22pm
- quarterpack
  
  Being practical souls perhaps many rural voted Labour to minimize the possibility of a Lab/Green coalition . To this end it they were successful, After Todd it was blindingly obvious the Nats were going nowhere
  
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  December 17, 2020 10:07pm
Loddenthinks

Oh huzzah! On top of the already wonderful news that Jacinda Ardern is “more powerful than” our Head of State, the Head of the Commonwealth, the Anglican Church and the United Kingdom, she’s now been announced as one of 10 people who have “shaped science” in 2020.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/123738373/covid19-journal-names-prime-minister-among-10-people-who-have-shaped-science

Yes, she has shaped science to mean something entirely different, including her interpretation of climate change, the need (and purpose, which so far eludes me) of declaring a Climate Emergency in Nu Zild, and of course the required response to COVID.

She’s a stupid little girl, who understands nothing of science, and consequently places total reliance on bureaucrats who view things through one lens only.
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December 17, 2020 1:35pm
- cmm
  
  Science is fucked.
  
  You can’t publish papers these days unless they say the right thing.
  
  Even engineering is fucked. The standard for a long time being has been whether something is accurate and has merit. Now it is increasingly becoming screwed up by insisting that people who know what they are talking about STFU and let idiots talk instead.
  
  As for Cindy, she’s awesome at business too… Just everything. When she gets a chance she’ll probably write a parenting book too.
  
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  December 17, 2020 1:50pm
  - SB2
    
    cmm, unlike Trump Jacinda listened to her medical and scientific advisors and reaped the rewards.
    
    Trump did not ( in fact mocked them e.g calling Fauci an idiot ) and sowed defeat.
    
    Now think about it.!
    
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    December 17, 2020 1:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She can write?? I thought she could only talk waffle
    
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    December 17, 2020 4:09pm
    - cmm
      
      Ghost written of course…
      
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      December 17, 2020 5:28pm
septic skeptic

I reckon the cost is $30 million + a sizeable quid pro quo for Fletchers.
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December 17, 2020 1:37pm
Fletch

How did we get to the stage where vinyl is double the price of CDs? ?
I guess because vinyl is now a niche thing and not the common music format…. Sadly, I lost all my vinyl a few years back. Don’t even have anything to play it on now.
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December 17, 2020 1:43pm
- cmm
  
  Vinyl is far more expensive to make than CDs and the machinery uses more power, is larger, is clunky and harder to maintain. Distribution is more expensive too (bigger, more fragile etc).
  
  … and now it’s also niche so people will pay more.
  
  When processes change, the older process gets cheaper for a bit because second tier manufacturers can buy all the old machinery cheaply but then gets more expensive because the newer processes are more efficient.
  
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  December 17, 2020 1:56pm
- barnacle bill
  
  I have recently converted all my Vinyl records from Mono to Digital.
  All now on the desktop and a memory stick.
  
  Great quality as well.
  
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  December 17, 2020 2:13pm
oldfella

I wonder if this might help in other, lefty, crime ridden, homeless hell- holes like Auckland? /s
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Seattle City Council considers new ‘poverty defense’ to excuse misdemeanor crimes such as theft and assault if culprit is homeless, addicted to drugs or has mental health issues
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9048471/Seattle-City-Council-considers-new-poverty-defense-excuse-misdemeanor-crimes.html
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December 17, 2020 1:45pm
fernglas

There are similar initiatives in Auckland already, through the Courts and Police, to try and treat the causes of minor offending rather than its effect. They seem to have been quite successful, particularly the drug Court, which monitors people with addictions to check their progress with programmes. However, they do not provide a defence as is proposed in Seattle. Necessity has never been defence to, for example, shoplifting because of hunger, as the law requires that there be imminent serious harm before criminality is excused. Diversion and discharge provide a better half-way house than creating a defence, as they can be utilised to compel compliance with programmes, and the recognition and acceptance of offending is often important to help an offender complete treatment.
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December 17, 2020 2:17pm
Fletch

The so-called “signature audit” in Georgia is no different than before, with GOP watchers having to stand miles away behind barriers, seeing nothing.

https://twitter.com/beyouonlybetter/status/1339292353014755330

Beggars belief how anyone can think this is reasonable.
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December 17, 2020 2:44pm
- Mike
  
  Stop it, Fletch, I’m starting to feel sorry for you.
  
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  December 17, 2020 2:57pm
- C J Southern
  
  Please point me to just one example of evidence of widespread fraud that was accepted by a court.
  
  2nd request.
  
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  December 17, 2020 5:13pm
I remember when

“Jacinda listened to her medical and scientific advisors.”
Fact check.
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December 17, 2020 2:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The ones who make up the lies for her? Bloomfield for example. We have PPE, we have masks, we have flu vaccines – all bullshit.
  Oh, we are making masks now, reopened a factory to do so. Trouble is the materials were in a warehouse in Melbourne – and restricted flights.
  BULLSHITTERS all the way
  
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  December 17, 2020 4:15pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Detailed analysis and cross referencing of various databases has identified (by name) 130000 illegal votes cast in Nevada (dead, double votes, non-citizens, out of state, fake residential addresses etc). That’s 4x greater than 34000 margin for Biden over Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVC1-CUcjsU&feature=emb_logo
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December 17, 2020 3:15pm
- SB2
  
  UN , the Nevada Supreme court has rejected that as at 11th December,
  
  A look at what several state supreme courts said about rejecting attempts to overturn Biden’s election win
  
  Savannah Behrmann
  
  USA TODAY
  
  Nevada
  
  The Nevada Supreme Court on Tuesday night rejected Trump’s appeal to overturn the state’s election results.
  
  The rejection came about a week after a district court in Nevada ruled that the Trump campaign had not proven claims of malfunctions in voting devices and that the election had been manipulated.
  
  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/11/supreme-courts-arizona-michigan-nevada-rejected-claims-voter-fraud/3869239001/
  
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  December 17, 2020 4:47pm
- C J Southern
  
  Please point me to just one example of evidence of widespread fraud that was accepted by a court.
  
  3rd request.
  
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  December 17, 2020 5:14pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Yes we heard you the first time. So from your perspective something is only true, ever, when accepted by a court? Oh dear. Very limiting in life.
    
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    December 17, 2020 6:20pm
    - Mike
      
      Yeah, funnily enough, accusations of widespread fraud are only likely to be true if shown to be so in court.
      Wild, huh?
      
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      December 17, 2020 7:55pm
    - C J Southern
      
      One can safely assume that if the best lawyers can’t get even one of around 60 courts – at all levels – in multiple states – to find just one piece of evidence credible given that the claims of fraud are so widespread – then it doesn’t exist.
      
      And no amount of verbal linguistics is going to make it exist.
      
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      December 17, 2020 10:25pm
lazza

Disappointing TVNZ cocverage of the first AC race.

1. Seconds to go clockd disappeared! 1 min BEFORE the start.

2 Favored* (according to the TVNZ bozo non entities) “right hand side” * was on that score won by Prada but they gave the start to TEAM NZ! and never mentioned the RHS thing again.

3. Commentator Saint Pete! is MIA … He’s on steam driven radio for crissakes!

At 3.19 PM TNZ is creaming it at 43 kts …IN LIGHTISH AIRS.
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December 17, 2020 3:20pm
lazza

Dohh! AC racing tip :

Listen to the other Pete (Montgomery) for the commentary) on Magic FM and watch Bozo Peter Lester on TVNZ…Their commentary sucks by comparison. Their visuals are oarsumm but.
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December 17, 2020 3:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Peter Mont commentary
  
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  December 17, 2020 4:41pm
lazza

TNZ smokes it

But …

1. Was fake Itieye Jimmy just “foxing”? or

2. Prada had gear problems and

3 Will it be bloody boring watching how far (this time) TNZ is ahead of the oppo?
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December 17, 2020 3:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Uptick for you sonny. TVNZ are fucking useless. The graphics are good but the commentators are shit, past the use by date. Then there are all of the children TV1 reporters hanging around the viaduct spouting wholesale rubbish like they know everything. Fuck, some of them were not even born when NZ had the first challenge
  
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  December 17, 2020 4:21pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Who is the Maori guy? He’s blooming annoying with his ghetto accent.
    
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    December 17, 2020 5:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Secret Passport cancellation case resurfaces again:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123738235/secret-passport-case-going-to-appeal-hearing

This is presumably where the SIS and GCSB were directing their attention … instead of focusing on steroid-popping Australian visitors .
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December 17, 2020 3:53pm
cmm

Dudges getting worse…

This guy:
1) Stole a car
2) Failed to stop and takes plod on a merry tour of Chirstchurch for an hour..
3) Damages 16 cars and endangers the public (including driving at speed on the pavements and into oncoming traffic).
4)Carjacked a lady, assaulted her and threatened to hurt her.
5) Robbed her of her handbag and car.
6) Broke parole conditions.
7) Had dealer quantities of meth on him.

And what does Judge Jane Farish give him? A bit of home detention. Hardly punishment for a layabout that wasn’t working anyway.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123158321/police-rammed-fleeing-driver-three-times-during-hourlong-pursuit
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December 17, 2020 4:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Obvious that the shithead did not damage anything the Dudge owns. Vote Labour
  
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  December 17, 2020 4:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Home detention? How about all day Saturday in the Woodhill forest slashing gorse? PD it was called
    
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    December 17, 2020 4:25pm
barnacle bill

This even puts Trump to shame.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/wealth/inside-vladimir-putins-285-billion-luxury-life-with-secret-palaces-yachts-girlfriends-and-millionaires/news-story/371e0ad3715401700d7ec209ab1577d6

They deserve each other.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/dick-brass-trump-fleeing-us-is-no-joke/7KCCT2BM7TDROETDBWYBAQKPBQ/
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December 17, 2020 4:11pm
lazza

A’s Cup news … Poms useless.

There goes $2Bn of a billionaire’s vanity project.

Real showdown later between two Kiwis Barker v Peter B. Can’t wait.
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December 17, 2020 4:19pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Real showdown’
  
  Does anyone really care ?
  
  The whole thing is a billionaires’ dick waving competition , and why any hard done by tax payer should be hit for one cent of it is criminal.
  
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  December 17, 2020 5:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This will be Trump’s fault.
https://www.cheknews.ca/1-56-billion-face-masks-will-pollute-the-worlds-oceans-this-year-report-says-725743/
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December 17, 2020 4:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Here’s an idea – ban masks, bring back plastic – we want our plastic back – when do we want it? Now!
  
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  December 17, 2020 4:46pm
kowtow

‘It also found there was insufficient evidence to prove the officer had committed any criminal offence or breached the Code of Conduct.

“However, police did take steps to address concerns about the officer’s judgment and communication skills during the employment process,” the summary said.’

Did they check to see how many tickets the cop might have cancelled in the past , as a “favour” for “promoting road safety” ( Tui moment) Cos if they didn’t then they weren’t really interested………

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123741688/police-officer-hinted-he-would-cancel-speeding-ticket-in-return-for-favour
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December 17, 2020 5:27pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300184649/drinkdriver-who-killed-pregnant-teen-had-six-prior-drinkdriving-convictions
This useless bastard should be shot.
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