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Captain Mainwaring

Air New Zealand is heavily into use of the word ‘Aotearoa’ in their current TV advertising.
Why don’t they change their name to ‘Air Aotearoa’ and see how many tickets they sell?
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December 9, 2020 8:00am
- MCos
  
  Probably the same seeing as the alternative is the ever unreliable Jetstar.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:15am
  - calendar girl
    
    Agreed, CM. But leaving aside Air NZ, a number of media boffins and outlets also seem to be committed to changing the name of our country to “Aotearoa”.
    
    No change to Aotearoa for me, thanks. Because of its relatively insignificant size and its distance from major markets, New Zealand already struggles to generate international attention or recognition. Under an unfamiliar name, Aotearoa, it would attract significantly reduced international coverage and lose the asset of name recognition that it receives now. In the short-to-medium time-frame, export and tourism income streams could expect to suffer materially from such a superficial change.
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:43am
    - Southtop2
      
      As I live in the South Island I object to changing the name of this country to the original name for the North Island. Aotearoa was the North Island – Nu Tireni was the original translation for New Zealand. Yes they translated New Zealand because originally there wasn’t a name for the entire country!
      This statement will probably be illegal soon.
      
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      December 9, 2020 9:14am
      - giltee
        
        Aotearoa was not the original name for the north island. It was an invention in early colonial times. Maori had separate names for the north and south islands:
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/205670/i-Aotearoa-a-European-hoax-i
        
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        December 9, 2020 11:12am
    - Jack5
      
      The advertising industry is now into steering clients into Woke promotion. Notice the ethnicity increasingly featured in advertisements. Fewer white faces, and even fewer white couples.
      
      No problem if this is market driven, and what brings in the customers.
      
      However, I think you will find the advertising industry now has some semi-ethics committee, that is pushing for diversity in advertising – for diversity’s sake.
      
      The irony is that the relevant committee’s membership is about 85 per cent female.
      
      I’m talking TV advertising. Is there still newsprint advertising?
      
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      December 9, 2020 9:24am
      - thirteenstars
        
        I think we’ve all noticed it.
        
        No doubt this is partly due to action by the state in its various insidious guises to apply pressure, incentives and funding for “raising awareness”.
        
        But mostly it’s down to that Great Indoctrinator: public education. It’s crammed incessantly into the heads of children and it has been for decades.
        
        And it’s of the same piece as green policies. The plastic bag ban, and the coming plastic bottle ban, etc. will all go down without a hitch because the little robots were programmed years ago.
        
        The last thing this is is market driven. Pavlov’s dogs is closer to the mark.
        
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        December 9, 2020 11:00am
      - curry4me
        
        Jack5: Doesn’t surprise me. I wondered for a while why there were still TV ads. Then, I remembered that 50% of the population is below average intelligence. Face Book, and Google are the place to advertise.
        
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        December 9, 2020 2:04pm
    - Sacha
      
      Remind me again: where is Myanmar? I think it had another name in the past –
      
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      December 9, 2020 9:56am
      - curry4me
        
        Sacha: Yeah, the name Myanmar makes one think of an inconvenient, but non-lethal disease. I still think of the country as Burma.
        
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        December 9, 2020 2:06pm
    - Unity
      
      New Zealand has such a good name overseas and is recognised everywhere. If they changed it to that other name, people would wonder where on earth it was and would have trouble pronouncing it. When we lived in England for several years, I was so proud of our country from the reaction we had from people – also from people in Europe.
      
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      December 9, 2020 11:34am
      - MCos
        
        Don’t kid yourself.
        New Zealand is recognized everywhere. Plenty of people haven’t even heard of us.
        
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        December 9, 2020 12:13pm
- Tarquin North
  
  They may end up as Stuffed last advertiser just before they both go broke in a very woke fashion.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:23am
- Nickc2
  
  I’m sick of it, I’ve had a guts full of it and it serves no other purpose than to massage the overinflated egos and aspirations of self-importance of those who actively promote it.
  Has this crap been handed down by Cindy as an edict?
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:33am
  - Clyde
    
    It comes from the same source I suspect as “guidelines” issued to Councils about signage for things like swimming pools. The “guideline” is that a maori word must be used in large type above the smaller english one. The net effect is that a maori word is invented for a thing like aquatic centre (there was no such thing in the maori world) and then that invented word is translated into English. A pile of woke nonsense, but its happening every day in a neighbourhood near you.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:11am
  - calendar girl
    
    Well said, Nickc2.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:16am
- JerJer
  
  Won’t last, but it is so woke/trendy right now to spray of some irrelevant Moari terms. No one speaks it, no one understands it, and never will. They tried to force it on us at school 35 years ago. At the time, I was 10 and thought it was a dumb idea, still do, and it still didn’t work. In retrospect I should have paid attention during French class and Spanish as that would have actually helped with my career in the future, unlile Maori which has no real world use, unless you want to be on an Air New Zealand advertisement of course, or work in selected parts of tourism. Reality is that there is no real benefit to knowing or learning the language.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:41am
- BananaLlama
  
  It wont matter as our government will keep bailing them out with your money regardless.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:48am
- Unity
  
  I’m getting fed up with every man and his dog referring to our country by ‘that name’. It is New Zealand and always will be for me. Where’s the pushback against this underhand tactic to try and change the name of our country? What is the matter with everyone?
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:49am
  - JerJer
    
    Everyone will just put up with it…..for a while.
    
    Remember there was a push to change the name of Hamilton and Christchurch, just a few months ago.
    
    Once the opnion polls were revealed both efforts are dead ducks, as they revealed close to zero support.
    
    Not talked about any more.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:06am
    - Paulus
      
      On the evening news, both sides, the Maori name is included with each city now.
      Soon the New Zealand name will be dropped.
      
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      December 9, 2020 9:16am
      - giltee
        
        The loopy greens want the name changed
        
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        December 9, 2020 11:14am
      - Unity
        
        Are other people getting sick and tired of all the Maori language interspersed with everything on the TV? I even cringe now at Kia Ora used every couple of minutes. The newsreaders are slipping it in everywhere and when Andrew Saville spouts his mouthful just before he gives the sports section, it is just so grating to hear. If I ever thought I might learn a bit of Maori (I didn’t) I’m right off it now. They’ve browbeaten me too often so now I just find myself rebelling.
        
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        December 9, 2020 12:36pm
      - sooty
        
        I have no problem with the greens changing their name! The red/green party, perhaps?
        
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        December 9, 2020 8:18pm
    - mark15
      
      Imagine if they built Christchurch today.
      
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      December 9, 2020 12:05pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The North and South Islands need new names though. Often places are named for important people who came from or are associated with that place. I suggest Hillary Island and Rutherford Island.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:59am
  - Jack5
    
    The North and South Islands need new names though.
    
    That’s Woke, Nigel. Place names aren’t brand names to carry a marketing message. If they were, the marketing would be for tourists, and “Rutherford,” and soon, “Hillary,” will be less and less known internationally as the years roll on.
    
    “The North Island” and “The South Island” have evolved because they are simple, geographically based, and descriptive.
    
    Hillary Island? There would be a million questions, “one ‘l’or two?””
    
    Let’s keep “”The North Island” and “The South Island” for the islands’ names in the English language, and use Maori names in the Maori language.
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:58am
- Frank the tank
  
  I think we all have to get with the times and accept this ain’t a war we’ll win or even compete in. Clearly all marketing executives and advertising firms are woke millennials and most ads now reflect this. Case in point the new Stein lager ad – Not sure the people who drink that rehashed garbage would even care about Greenpeace in the 1980s but anyhow.
  
  The good thing is with the little TV I now watch I don’t see much of this garbage and the little I do see (when the other half has the 6pm Propaganda broadcast going) is during beer time. Therefore all I do is sigh and have a swill.
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Red Radio is hard to understand too. Some weird language they keep using
  
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  December 9, 2020 1:57pm
mikenmildagain

Happy International Anti-Corruption Day!
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December 9, 2020 8:01am
- Juliet2554
  
  isnt that ironic?!
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:13am
- Simon
  
  Labour MP Apsana Begum pleads not guilty to £63,000 ‘social housing fraud’
  
  Apsana Begum, 29, is accused of failing to tell Tower Hamlets that she was “no longer living in overcrowded conditions”.
  
  Ms Begum was elected to her seat in Poplar and Limehouse in east London last year.
  
  At Westminster Magistrates’ Court today, she denied three counts of fraud by dishonestly failing to disclose information to make a gain for herself or another, or cause or expose other to a loss.
  
  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/apsana-begum-labour-mp-pleads-23133384
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:20am
  - igm
    
    If that occurred in New Zealand, being a Labourite, she would either never be charged, or would be discharged without conviction.
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:32am
    - lifesgood
      
      Or just apologise in between the report for the Christchurch massacre and the White Island eruption anniversary.
      
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      December 9, 2020 9:15am
    - Paulie_
      
      With name suppression
      
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      December 9, 2020 1:20pm
  - backster
    
    Aw look she is wearing the same kind of hat as Cindy wears sometimes.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:24am
- Simon
  
  Always good for a bit of history.
  
  When she lived in near poverty with a young son, Romy Koecher often heard East Germany’s Far Left leaders proclaim they were doing everything they could for the country.
  
  ″I always knew there were privileged layers in society,″ says the 32- year-old art historian. ″But people just didn’t know the extent of what was going on.″
  
  But according to recent revelations, Honecker and his friends were themselves plundering the country. There were fancy hunting lodges, imported foods and clothes, shining Volvos.
  
  https://apnews.com/article/7e109c7042c1d3ea3d9bbce92d66f365
  
  The left is corruption.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:24am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The party elite are closet aristocrats.
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:39am
- IC5000
  
  Downvotes incoming from spiteful Trumpists
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:31am
- MCos
  
  Thailand is rife with corruption from top to bottom.
  At one end MPs jostle for Ministerial roles so they can control mega infrastructure projects that are ripe for brown envelope payments.
  At the other people slip someone a few baht to jump a queue.
  My wife told me she once went to a poker school at someone’s house in the Khlong Toeii Market/slum. The house owner then rang the police who gave everyone the alternative of paying some money or being arrested. The house owner got a cut, as did the big boss at the police station. My wife refused to pay the bribe and was taken ‘downtown’.
  However her resolve broke when she was told she must spend the night in prison. The ever resourceful police produced someone who would take her place for a few baht.
  Quite an adventure.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:38am
Andrei

Don’t mess with Texas

In new lawsuit, Texas contests election results in Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania
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December 9, 2020 8:02am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Yet another law suit that will utterly fail. What court or judge is going to cancel the votes of 10 of millions of Americans?
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:21am
  - IC5000
    
    trump appointed judges doing a reverse pump and dump on their bitch. Who’s your daddy now diaper Don?
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:33am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Trump is in talks with an alien Judge with 2 heads. I read it on the radio.
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:34am
  - Simon
    
    “What court or judge is going to cancel the votes of 10 of millions of Americans?”
    
    Yep it is a case of what Court has the courage to do the right thing. The mail in ballots in many swing states were not legally verified. No signature match, out of state voters, dead voting, some voting more than twice.
    
    These mail in ballots swung the election to Biden in the dead of the night in a statistically improbable manner.
    
    “Dr. Cicchetti is the former Deputy Director at the Energy and Environmental Policy Center at Harvard University’s John Kennedy School of Government and received his Ph.D. in economics from Rutgers University.”
    
    According to Dr. Cicchetti, his calculations show the probability of Joe Biden winning the popular vote in the four states independently given President Trump’s early lead in those States as of 3 a.m. on November 4, 2020, is less than one in a quadrillion.
    
    “Dr. Cicchetti’s analysis calculates that for Joe Biden to win the four states collectively, the odds of that event happening decrease to less than one in a quadrillion to the fourth power.”
    
    https://electionwiz.com/2020/12/08/professor-probability-of-biden-winning-given-trumps-early-lead-is-less-than-one-in-a-quadrillion/
    
    From Texas brief. Expert witness.
    
    Count every legal vote.
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:34am
    - doggone7
      
      Dr. Cicchetti’s is entitled to his views about “a quadrillion to the fourth power.”
      
      That’s the chance that Covid-19 was spread, can be spread by 5G towers too but many believe it.
      
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      December 9, 2020 12:50pm
  - Andrei
    
    Voter fraud cancels the votes of “the votes of 10 of millions of Americans”
    
    Rudy Giuliani has affadvits from Americans who turned up to vote on Election day only to find they had apparently already cast a ballot by mail using a ballot they never requested, or saw let alone returned.
    
    Various State representatives have been contacted by their constituents who tell the same story.
    
    Of course in States with closed primaries voter affiliation is recorded on the registration making it easy to disenfranchise them by casting a vote in their name
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:36am
    - doggone7
      
      Various people turned up to hearings with stories of cases full of ballots being counted twice too. And people who saw videos of boxes of ballots being added or moved late at night and that not just being sinister, but being proof of fraud and corruption.
      
      How many of those have been proven to be true?
      
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      December 9, 2020 12:53pm
  - Andrei
    
    Like I suggested to you on another blog Dr Mapp, why don’t you look into this law suit before shooting from the hip
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:38am
    - SGA
      
      Andrei, what expertise are you bringing to inform your opinion of this law suit? Wayne has an LLB (Hon) at University of Auckland, a LLM from University of Toronto, and a PhD in International Law from Christ’s College, Cambridge.
      
      Does that mean his assessment/prediction must be correct? NO, it does not, and time might prove him wrong. But I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss it out of hand.
      
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      December 9, 2020 10:10am
      - Doctor Sigmund Freud
        
        You failed to mention the L.A.M.E award from the North Shore electorate.
        
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        December 9, 2020 2:44pm
  - alloytoo
    
    I’m not sure that’s a valid argument.
    
    “Throwing out the votes millions of Americans” sure sounds emotive, but the potential relief is that the selection of electors revert to the state legislators.
    
    The legislators are elected and their make up is representative of the will of the people in those states.
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:46am
  - Fletch
    
    Yet another law suit that will utterly fail
    
    That is debatable. Because it’s the sort of lawsuit that doesn’t require evidence of fraud. The suit is over state courts & governors et al changing election law unconstitutionally. Which they did.
    
    In the early years of the Republic, most state legislatures appointed their presidential electors directly, without holding a popular election for President. That would change during the early decades of the nineteenth century. But the constitutional principle remained the same. Regardless of whether a state appoints its electors by a vote in the legislature or by a vote of the people, it is the state legislature — and only the state legislature — that sets the rules. [..]
    
    Importantly, the Texas lawsuit presents a pure question of law. It is not dependent upon disputed facts. Although these unconstitutional changes to the election rules could have facilitated voter fraud, the State of Texas doesn’t need to prove a single case of fraud to win. It is enough that the four states violated the Constitution.
    
    The lawsuit asks the Supreme Court to remand the appointment of electors in the four states back to the state legislatures. As the Supreme Court said in 1892 in the case of McPherson v. Blacker, “Whatever provisions may be made by statute, or by the state constitution, to choose electors by the people, there is no doubt of the right of the legislature to resume the power at any time…”.
    
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/07/kobach-texas-case-challenges-election-directly-at-supreme-court/
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:22am
    - SGA
      
      In other words, the fraud cases are falling apart, despite the 5000 witnesses, 8000 pages of evidence in Nevada (which I think they never managed to get around to filing in court – if true, that’s odd), and the overwhelming video evidence – so let’s try something else. They obviously think it might be worth a punt.
      
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      December 9, 2020 10:30am
      - Fletch
        
        The fraud cases aren’t falling apart. It’s just that liberal courts won’t hear them. As far as the constitutional case – if you look back at posts (including mine) you will see the case for that has been made since Day One.
        
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        December 9, 2020 11:26am
      - virtualmark
        
        Fletch, whether it’s “liberal” judges or “conservative” judges they are just applying the law.
        
        Courts are meant to apply the law independently of any external influence. That you think a “conservative” court would rule differently is either an indictment of you or of that court … take your pick.
        
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        December 9, 2020 11:55am
      - SGA
        
        The fraud cases aren’t falling apart. It’s just that liberal courts won’t hear them.
        
        And how do you know they have all been so liberal? Because they are chucking out the cases? Has it become some sort of circular reasoning?
        
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        December 9, 2020 11:58am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Did you not read Mikey’s post: Happy International Anti-Corruption Day!
    
    So your basis for your negatism is that the lawsuit will fail, rather than it’s an invalid suit.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:56am
  - Juliet2554
    
    probably one that sees the growing evidence of Chinese interference. I suggest you read this – https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:07am
  - theoldbloke
    
    Haha Wayne. It works both ways.
    What Court is going to recognise illegal behaviour (re voting) and do nothing about it!
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:55am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Even in the unlikely event the Court will do anything it won’t be to throw 10 million votes out,
      
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      December 9, 2020 12:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  This site has the whole filing.
  https://www.zerohedge.com/political/texas-sues-georgia-michigan-pennsylvania-and-wisconsin-supreme-court-over-election
  
  This site explains the legal issues–basically States can’t do their own thing willy-nilly as it may effect the equality among all citizens.
  https://joannenova.com.au/
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:06am
- MCos
  
  “Paxton (Texas Attorney General), who has been under indictment since 2015 for felony securities fraud charges, is facing fresh criminal allegations from eight of his top deputies, who said they believe he broke the law by using the agency to do favors for a political donor. The FBI is investigating Paxton over those claims, according to the Associated Press. Paxton has denied wrongdoing.”
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:22am
  - Nickc2
    
    FBI investigating eh? I think most free thinkers know where that will end. Speaking of corruption in the FBI, what’s happened with the investigation into that den of iniquity?
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:56am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    His name appears through his Office not subsidiary activist aggro.
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:39am
  - SGA
    
    Let’s play conspiracy theory (everyone else is)!!! FBI means that there are federal charges involved. The President can pardon people for federal crimes. Let’s join the dots. /tongue-firmly-in-cheek
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:44am
    - virtualmark
      
      Lots of speculation in the US that Paxton taking this case to SCOTUS is pardon fishing. The case itself isn’t expected to succeed, but Paxton is being Trumpy in order to milk a pardon before Donnie leaves the building.
      
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      December 9, 2020 11:48am
      - SGA
        
        Seriously? I was just having fun, to be honest.
        
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        December 9, 2020 12:01pm
      - virtualmark
        
        No, serious speculation. If a state takes a case to SCOTUS then it’s meant to be represented by its Solicitor-General not its Attorney-General, but in this case the Texas Solicitor-General is very conspicuously absent. And the case is not expected to succeed. So the “qui bono” argument is that Paxton is doing it to curry favour with Trump.
        
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        December 9, 2020 12:16pm
- virtualmark
  
  SCOTUS just ruled on the first “Trump wuz robbed” court case to make it to them. This is the case brought by Mike Kelly, a GOP Congressman from Pennsylvania, asking SCOTUS to prevent Pennsylvania from certifying the Presidential elections results.
  
  I can quote you SCOTUS’ entire response:
  
  “The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied.”
  
  Translated into English that is “LoL, no.”. I doubt SCOTUS has any appetite for being drawn into the election.
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:54am
  - virtualmark
    
    SCOTUS denied the case just minutes after the final brief was filed with them. And they denied it with one terse sentence. That suggests they wanted to send a clear message about legal challenges to the election results.
    
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    December 9, 2020 11:20am
    - SGA
      
      Damn it, Fletch – the liberals have got to them too (or the Chinese, George Soros, or someone).
      
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      December 9, 2020 12:02pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Noted liberal Justice Alito…
        
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        December 9, 2020 1:38pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yesterday, one of the loons was claiming that THIS was the case that would upend the election…
      
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      December 9, 2020 1:37pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Mikey there’s a lot of people here with JDs from Trump University.
        
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        December 9, 2020 4:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Australia’s contribution to radicalising Brenton Tarrant

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/08-12-2020/we-must-recognise-an-australian-terrorist-committed-these-atrocities-radicalised-on-our-soil/
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December 9, 2020 8:03am
- Swifty
  
  Have others noted the irony?
  
  Many times post March 15 I read local media pieces labelling NZ society racist and white supremacist and that “we bred this monster” etc etc.
  
  But now I see from the report, from local journos yesterday and from Anjum Rahman no less this morning saying that the guy was able to succeed in his long-held plan because he kept to himself, stayed isolated, deliberately maintained little or no contact with the people around him and that “if only he had had more contact with Kiwis he might have been disabused of his notions…” (my words).
  
  Gee, maybe we’re not so bad after all.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Nicole McKee notes in her maiden speech that the rushed gun legislation penalised law-abiding NZers whilst whitewashing the failure of police’s own processes and procedures in giving a foreign-national terrorist a firearms licence in the first place.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20201208_051960000/mckee-nicole
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:47am
    - Swifty
      
      Yep, our government let him into the country, it was our government who gave him his firearms license, it was our government who gave him his permit to procure and it was our government who’s security services failed to detect him – but it is US who are the dirty nasty white supremacists, who will have our firearms confiscated and our freedom of speech curtailed – and while the government and their agents get away with a mere “oops, sorry about that….”
      
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      December 9, 2020 8:56am
      - BananaLlama
        
        and It was the NZ Public who notified law enforcement over his character to hold firearms and they still did nothing.
        Easier to call everyone racist, pass laws that punish the public then scurry off to their rocks.
        
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        December 9, 2020 9:36am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Despite being on intelligence watch lists both here and in Australia.
        
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        December 9, 2020 9:58am
      - Jack5
        
        Swifty says “our government let him into the country.”
        
        Don’t think that, as an Australian citizen, he could have been shut out, could he?
        
        Perhaps when Australia shuts the back door and New Zealanders lose entry rights to Australia, we can tighten up on Aussie access to NZ.
        
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        December 9, 2020 11:02am
  - Sacha
    
    He was a plain old ‘Lone Wolf’.
    A person intent on creating terror.
    That’s all.
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:02am
- artemisia
  
  An opinion piece in the Herald yesterday by Aliya Danzeisen traverses some justice issues around the mosque report but the subtext is her closing remark-
  
  The least the government should do is offer the impacted appropriate resources so they can rebuild their lives, cover the actual financial loss the death or the injury has caused on their lives, and be restored as close to the position they would have been but for the attack.
  
  Perhaps she is not aware of New Zealand law and the substantial amounts of public and private funding and support paid out, much more than victims of other tragedies large and small. And appears to think that even more is required for some unstated reason.
  
  There’s a lot of that about these days. Fortunately we have a government generous with OPM.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/aliya-danzeisen-justice-has-not-been-served-in-royal-commission-report-into-terrorist-attack-on-christchurch-mosques/ESVK2TJLQQ7ULZOFQTY3KN2QHY/
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:03am
  - Alex13
    
    New Zealand laws are not applicable in this case; the Herald article contains references to “4:135 of the Qur’an” instead. Or was the article intended for an Iranian newspaper?
    
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    December 9, 2020 11:25am
Maggie Pie

China Joe is very worried. I think.
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December 9, 2020 8:09am
- IC5000
  
  The Chinese respects strength. The diaper Don lost Face big time begging the CCP for help to be re-elected
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:35am
Benedict Yu

‘Air Aotearoa’ would be very hard to pronounce.
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December 9, 2020 8:10am
- dave_c_
  
  Off to the gulag with you – Retraining to be completed before you are fit to live in this country!
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:15am
- Nukuleka
  
  No more so, Benedict, than describing ourselves as Aotearoans. Or would it be culturally insensitive- and an example of structural and colonial bias- to the grammatical construct of te reo to use an English ‘s’ to indicate a plural? Oh my, it’s going to be a fraught path ahead. Time for a sit down and a cuppa.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Māori is an open syllable language..(word must end in a vowel)
    so Aotearoan cannot be a Maori word…
    
    How about Aotearoni ?
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:55am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      O te tangataaotearoa ?
      
      How about Niu Tirani? That transliteration of New Zealand is a too close to New Tyranny.
      
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      December 9, 2020 9:13am
    - kowtow
      
      Sounds like an Italian dish…..
      
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      December 9, 2020 9:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Ah now, that would be..
        tīhi makaroni
        
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        December 9, 2020 9:57am
    - Jack5
      
      Air Aotearoa?
      
      No, you would have to go the whole hog: Hau Takiwā Aotearoa.
      
      The online dictionary gives the first two words as Maori for “Air”.
      
      You might then call the new airline HTA. But then, did Maori use initials like that? Did they have acronyms when they didn’t have a written language?
      
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      December 9, 2020 11:06am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        How about Manu Tukutuku, after the kites?
        
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        December 9, 2020 1:41pm
- Raphael
  
  AA….has a certain ring to it…..
  
  Anti-Aircraft?
  Alcoholics Anonymous?
  Air Aotearoa?
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:18am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Automobile Association?
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:21am
    - Observer of Life
      
      Angry Andy
      
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      December 9, 2020 8:23am
  - SGA
    
    AA….has a certain ring to it…..
    
    American Airlines
    Allegient Air
    Alaska Airlines
    Aerolíneas Argentinas
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:23am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Aeroflot accident
      
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      December 9, 2020 1:41pm
- Niloc
  
  Air Aodearoa could work?
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:26am
- Frank the tank
  
  Unfortunately the way this country is going this is appropriate. In 5 years times our national carrier is likely to resemble a regional African airline anyway. This just accelerates the process.
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:45am
Juliet2554

Who has seen all the photos going around of Georgia Governor Kemp with Chinese officials? Oops
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December 9, 2020 8:13am
- Maggie Pie
  
  From ChyNaa with love 😛
  
  https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1336331023018127366
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:23am
  - Juliet2554
    
    and that. That woman is nowhere to be found. Some Chinese spy who has disappeared.
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:08am
- SGA
  
  Who has seen all the photos going around of Georgia Governor Kemp with Chinese officials? Oops
  
  No, I haven’t – do you think they are indicative of some sort of conspiracy or something?
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:33am
  - Nickc2
    
    No conspiracy, it clearly shows who is pulling the strings. China has admitted as much.
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:45am
    - SGA
      
      “No conspiracy, it clearly shows who is pulling the strings”
      
      China is pulling Kemp’s strings? What strings exactly? In what way? Why is he letting it happen? If so, how would this not be called a conspiracy? Is every politician in a photo with Chinese officials part of this scheme as well?
      
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      December 9, 2020 9:22am
      - Nickc2
        
        Take a look at the Hannity show on Sky TV yesterday. There was a Chinese official saying the CCP had representatives involved in the upper echelons of State and Federal Govt of the US.
        
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        December 9, 2020 10:07am
      - Juliet2554
        
        There’s money trails so always that.
        
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        December 9, 2020 10:09am
      - SGA
        
        Money trials – pray tell!
        
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        December 9, 2020 12:00pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Conspiracy SGA? Take a look at this.
      https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/12/donald-trump-with-tucker-carlsons-exposee-on-chinese-influence-over-us-officials-and-instos.html
      
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      December 9, 2020 2:12pm
      - SGA
        
        Wow – and you believe all of this to be true?
        
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        December 9, 2020 3:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Part of Nicole McKee’s maiden speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACAr9S3i-Ew
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December 9, 2020 8:15am
- Nukuleka
  
  What a fine speaker and a strong, committed personality. Someone I will be keeping an eye on.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:24am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Powerful stuff. This woman is a great asset to Parliament and NZ. Go ACT.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:25am
  - lifesgood
    
    Wow! She is wonderful! So articulate, well spoken, considered, knowlegable…I’d vote for her any day.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:24am
- kowtow
  
  And the stuff headline yesterday was pretty insulting to her , a Maori woman , but that’s OK as they got a Maori reporter to do the kicking, a male though , so was that sexist?
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:50am
  - MCos
    
    This headline?
    
    ACT MP and gun lobbyist Nicole McKee uses maiden speech to slam gun laws hours after release of terror attack findings
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:30am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Do they report Green MPs as environmental or social justice lobbyists?
      
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      December 9, 2020 10:46am
- curry4me
  
  Maggy Wassilieff: Thanks for that. I had to scroll down a bit before I saw the ACT logo. I hope she has a distinguished career in parliament.
  
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  December 9, 2020 2:24pm
Paulus

But AotearoaAir is better
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December 9, 2020 8:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Rereaotearoa
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:15am
Tony Stuart

Will Trevor Mallard face a no-confidence motion in Parliament this afternoon, before the House rises for the Christmas break?

Barry Soper has really put the boot into Mallard this morning (my emphasis added):

This was a story that could potentially have brought down Parliament’s Speaker.

Trevor Mallard was being sued for defamation after a Parliamentary staff member was sent packing after being accused by Mallard of rape.

The accusation came after the Debbie Francis report into bullying and sexual harassment at Parliament was made public in May last year. Mallard was commenting on serious sexual assaults identified in the report. He said what the staff member was claimed to have done to a colleague was tantamount to rape.

“We’re talking about serious sexual assault. Well that, for me, that’s rape,” Mallard said at the time.

The man was sent packing from Parliament without explanation, with Mallard saying “the threat had left the building” and staff around the place were panicking there was a rapist in their midst. In fact, the accused was never interviewed by Debbie Francis. No complaint was made to the police, even though Mallard urged the woman to make one.

On the day he made the allegation, Mallard summoned me to his office and urged me not to interview the staff member he accused, saying it would re-traumatise the victim.

I got the sense that he didn’t want the interview to take place because he knew his claim wouldn’t stack up. It didn’t.

The man was left devastated, saying the accusation put him in a very dark place. His lawyers last year began defamation proceedings against the Speaker, who has refused all comment about the case up until now. He did make an unsuccessful move through his lawyers though to have the man’s name made public.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/opinion/barry-soper-the-story-that-could-have-brought-down-speaker-trevor-mallard/

That last sentence is disgraceful. Mallard, via his lawyers, made a deliberate decision to try and have the man publicly named. As if losing his job thanks to Mallard’s false claim wasn’t enough!

It’s also telling that Mallard tried to shut Barry Soper down, because he knew the truth of the situation did not match his narrative. So much for openness and transparency!

Trevor Mallard has always been a bully, and it would be ironic if a report into bullying at Parliament brought him down. If he was an honourable man, he would offer his resignation as Speaker when Parliament sits this afternoon, because he has brought the Office of the Speaker, and Parliament as a whole, into disrepute. We all know however that Mallard won’t resign, but instead will hide behind a shroud of secrecy, and gladly allow the taxpayer to cover the cost of his defamation of a public servant. And that disgusts me.
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- Tony Stuart
  
  PS (added as a comment rather than an edit), how cynical a decision of Mallard was it to issue his statement and apology yesterday, whilst Parliament was debating and the media was fixated on the Royal Commission report? Any credit he might be due for the apology is negated by the timing of it.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:24am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Mallard is a disgraceful individual who has no business holding the office that he does.
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The character of the Speaker is plain to see.
    
    Embrace him Labour… He’s all yours.
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:57am
- igm
  
  He is a bully at a distance, but face to face he is a typical left-wing wimp!
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:50am
- Nickc2
  
  Let’s have a Labour scalp before Parliament rises for their undeserved holiday.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:52am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  This x 1000. The man is a bully and a coward. If he were half the man he should be he would have offered his resignation. He wont.
  
  He has no moral authority, no mana. And my lefty mates are so very quiet and tolerant of this.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:05am
- RF
  
  We have seen many instances where Mallard has protected Ardern from answering awkward questions in the house. He is nothing but a bully and a disgrace.
  
  I expect nothing else from this Marxist Government.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:07am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Labour = Bully
  Labour Speaker = Bully (High placed)
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:17am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I feel sorry for the man accused by Mallard….I hope he has been well compensated as Mallard has destroyed his career and slandered him. Mallard is one of the worse bullies in Parliament which is ironic but I guess he considers himself above the law.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:19am
- Paulus
  
  Labour MPs never resign – it is always the fault
  of somebody else.
  Ardern is the expert.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:22am
Swifty

Secret payouts to the man Mallard unfairly maligned and defamed and we’re noit allowed to know anything about it?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/barry-soper-trevor-mallards-rape-accusations-could-have-been-his-undoing/6VRFBPA6667UYR2YHTPRKKI2VU/

“Open and transparent….”

“Just shut up and give us your money….”
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December 9, 2020 8:23am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I’m surprised this is not bigger news in the mainstream media. Mallard should be sacked.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:20am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Mallard can’t be sacked, and therein lies the problem. Parliament appointed him as Speaker, and only Parliament can change that, by way of a no-confidence motion.
    
    Of course, if National or Act moved such a motion, Labour has the numbers to vote it down.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:45am
    - Phronesis
      
      That’s no reason not to stick to your principles though. Force labour and the Greens into showing their support for a violent, lying, bully.
      
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      December 9, 2020 10:29am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Yes, fair comment.
        
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        December 9, 2020 11:18am
      - Nickc2
        
        Please add BIASED as another descriptor.
        
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        December 9, 2020 1:49pm
  - Nickc2
    
    You get what you pay for and Mallard is part of this corrupt Govt. Got to say this before hate speech laws as modified are implemented.
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:14am
  - GJM
    
    There are 50 million reasons (or is it 125 million now) why this will never see light of day in the MSM. We have a d3facto s5ate owned media
    
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    December 9, 2020 8:43pm
JackRabbit

Govt rolls out the new Bluetooth app.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-government-rolls-out-bluetooth-tracking-as-qr-scanning-rates-dive/F7QEOJG4JEVSLHZEM455EI7VUM/

As part of good security, we advise all our customers to turn off Bluetooth when in public because of ongoing vulnerabilities, and the ways in which hackers can access Bluetooth without you knowing.

I’ve said from the beginning it’s a dumb idea. On par with putting people into Managed Incubation – hotels with shared air, and no protection protocols consistent with the level of risk the government publishes.

If Covid-19 is as bad as the fear porn says, where are the hazmat suits, the hazmat spray decontamination gear, the airlocks, and the 100% nitrogen or vacuum flush in said airlocks between visits.

Nope, you can go stay in hotels which like all confined spaces, already have crappy air at the best of times, and breathe the shared building air. Lab rats.

Did you know that many people overseas that have had Covid-19 and recovered, and that live in apartment buildings, have figured out that the buildings are incubators?
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December 9, 2020 8:26am
- Phronesis
  
  The bizarre thing is that until recently the staff were wearing surgical masks which provide no protection to the wearer. They are designed to reduce contamination from the wearer not to the wearer.
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:34am
virtualmark

One of the “Trump won, really!” law suits *is* going to the Supreme Court.

Texas vs The Mean States Who Didn’t Elect Donald Trump Jr.

States can sue other states directly in the Supreme Court, so that’s where this one is going. Will be fascinating to see how it gets on there.
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December 9, 2020 8:28am
- KevO'Brien
  
  And it is all about the Constitution too. The filing is cited above.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:19am
- Phronesis
  
  It will certainly be a test for the constitutionalists. It’s pretty clear what the constitution says, will they hold the line or will they accept that mitigating circumstances can overrule the constitution itself. It could be a significant ruling beyond just the immediate consequences.
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:39am
Paulus

From what I have read so far which appears to be the media interpretations of the principles of the Christchurch Massacre Report I have difficulty understanding the rhetoric of the fact the SIS only concentrated on the hard right so called terrorists and did not protect the Muslims living in New Zealand from terrorists.
Tarrant appears to have learned much from Utube we are told.
I have a Utube of the President of the International Young Socialists screaming in adoration of Che Guevara. Is she a hard left terrorist and should be watched carefully by our Security service ? The number of hard right terrorists in New Zealand are not a lot against the carnage inflicted by Muslim terrorists constantly around and daily around the world.
Why would a country Security Services, as we have in New Zealand not have an emphasis in this direction ?
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December 9, 2020 8:31am
- surfing
  
  There have been a large number of atrocities committed by islamic extremists against white westerners . But, until Tarrant, almost zero by right wing extremists against islamic people.
  
  So, if you’re a national security organisation, where do you put your priorities? Seems the SIS has nothing to apologise for. Using limited resources they concentrated on the biggest risk areas.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:51am
  - SB2
    
    Correction there. A great many so-called Islamic terrorists have largely committed terror acts against there own kind,
    
    ISIS Crimes Against the Shia: The Islamic State’s Genocide Against Shia Muslims
    
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323888578_ISIS_Crimes_Against_the_Shia_The_Islamic_State's_Genocide_Against_Shia_Muslims
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:56am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Is this your own way of justifying the senseless killing of your fellow human-beings?
      
      So just because Islamic terrorists kill fellow muslims, it doesn’t count?
      
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      December 9, 2020 1:32pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        How did you get to that meaning of his comment?
        
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        December 9, 2020 1:44pm
      - SB2
        
        MW, not at all. It merely presents a wider picture than saying all Muslims are terrorists which you must know they aren’t.
        
        More Muslims have suffere4d under ISIS and associated terrorists than Westerners,
        
        https://www.wionews.com/south-asia/kabul-terror-attack-islamic-state-claims-responsibility-344558
        
        But one among a great many.
        
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        December 9, 2020 2:44pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        How did you get to that meaning of his comment?
        
        Because he also used it yesterday…
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/12/the_christchurch_terrorist_attack_royal_commission_report.html#comment-2854825
        
        about Moslems killing there (sic) own kind…
        and ending with the line…
        
        “That is their affiliation.”
        
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        December 9, 2020 6:54pm
- MCos
  
  According to the relevant Government Web Page
  https://www.govt.nz/organisations/new-zealand-security-intelligence-service/
  the. NZSIS
  
  * collect intelligence relevant to security
  among other things.
  
  It’s as obvious as night follows day that they looked at the wrong people. I don’t know why, but it’s not my specialty.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:03am
  - surfing
    
    “It’s as obvious as night follows day that they looked at the wrong people. I don’t know why, but it’s not my specialty.”
    
    Surely you don’t have to be a specialist SIS agent to figure out why.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:18am
Brian McDonald

A woman in her 90s one of the first in Britain to be given the Covid 19 vaccine.
So officially to the herders – up yours.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/432437/first-person-receives-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-in-uk?fbclid=IwAR1Zr0ETbv8Ar3zWTHmMFat72BoFvDQfU46Eyk4S8xnkZLbW-Kp9YRZC-NA
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December 9, 2020 8:32am
- Ruahine
  
  A 90 year old.
  I hope she does not suffer a heart attack and die in the next few days. The vaccine is likely to be declared a failure.
  Back to the gulag Britons.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:48am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    AstroZeneca? Reported as not tested on those over 55.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:21am
  - IC5000
    
    > The vaccine is likely to be declared a failure.
    
    And your PhD is in what again?
    
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    December 9, 2020 4:22pm
- Inandout
  
  Wow, Joe has hope yet.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:50am
- Phronesis
  
  What an incredibly stupid bit of marketing. She is old so is unlikely to develop a protective response meaning she will remain at risk of catching covid which would undermine the whole vaccine program. Her yearly risk of dying is already around 20% and if she does it will be blamed by some on the vaccine.
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:50am
hullkiwi

Yesterday, PriNZess provided confirmation that she needs a lesson or two in NCEA Economics 1, with her “its ok for property prices to keep rising slowly.”

For the benefit of Winston Peters (& followers),Jacinda Ardern (& followers) and any other fool out there that believes inflation is good. No, it is not. It is a failure to understand the most basics of economics and what growing an economy (or wealth) is.

In order to produce 3 factors need to be present to facilitate the production of “wealth”, these being: capital (money, assets, land etc), people, resources. Now if any one of these factors changes in value, you have inflation or deflation in your cost of production and the end price you charge your customers unless you have a means of changing your levels of efficiency/productivity.

So, with NZ experiencing cashed up people returning to NZ increasing the demand for property, and therefore increasing property prices in an already overheated property market, you have a recipe for an economic disaster on multiple fronts.
1. Immediately, prices will increase as retailers, manufacturers, producers seek to recover costs;
2. Unsold product goes to waste as market resistance begins;
3. The gap between the haves and have nots becomes more apparent, as those on fixed incomes, wages/salaries cannot afford inflated prices;
4. There will be a further rise in welfare dependency; and
5. It all ends in stagflation.

Many of us joked over the last 3 years that Jacinda wanted to take us back to the 1970/early 1980s, for those of us who remember those times, Jacinda may be just about to give us a repeat of those times. Because for those who recall, it all started with property inflation in the period 1973 to 1975 (oil price volatility aside).
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December 9, 2020 8:37am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Property inflation happened 1973-1975 because the Kirk Govt. opened up low interest State Advances loans to everyone, not just the low-income strugglers.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:11am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I believe she has restarted the Wage/Price Spiral that 1970’s Labour institgated and Muldoon had to clamp down very hard to fix.
  
  The don’t know what they are doing. Why do we tolerate amateur government? Parliament is not about “representation” but Executive administration.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:26am
  - Inandout
    
    KO, she is extremely popular out in the public and won the election on that basis. Popular politicians invariably win elections.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:54am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      They can loose them too through increasing costs of living.
      
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      December 9, 2020 1:35pm
Swifty

A national disgrace and we should all be ashamed.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kiwi-kids-slide-further-in-maths-and-science/ACATCOPMCBADVGXUP4U7PWZ5SE/

Tens and tens of thousands of teachers, thousands of education bureaucrats, billions of taxpayer dollars pumped in annually and for decades and decades and we just slip further and further down the rankings.

These maths failings come not long after recent news reports of findings that just a fraction under 40% of our school leavers are functionally illiterate!

Why the hell aren’t we number 1 in the world at this stuff? Just what is stopping us? In 1970 we led the world in educating our young but since then we’ve just slid further and further behind and with other poorer countries leapfrogging ahead of us.

This government’s answer? 120 extra millions pumped in to training teachers in Maori.

FFS.

Where is the accountability? Who is responsible for this abysmal performance?

New Zealanders should be marching in the streets over this issue and delivering sound thrashings in the public square to the well-paid politicians and civil servants responsible for this appalling failure in their duty.
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December 9, 2020 8:37am
- lifesgood
  
  The problem is that teachers are poorly educated and poorly trained. The teachers are complaining that teaching PRIMARY SCHOOL maths is too hard FFS!
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:29am
  - Inandout
    
    life, I would expect these teachers know te treaty verbatim, even though their teaching knowledge is abysmal.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:56am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Exactly..
    We need specialist Maths, Science and English language teachers in our primary classrooms delivering the curriculum (not just a few lessons/year).
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:03am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It is hard with the silly prescription to ignore numeracy and basic facts and try to teach logic and Mathematics.
    Don’t let academics near primary curricula.
    
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    December 9, 2020 1:39pm
  - curry4me
    
    lifesgood: Just think, six months ago, I couldn’t even spell teecher, now, I are one.
    
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    December 9, 2020 2:32pm
- SB2
  
  Still my bets are that cohorts from contemporary young students will still produce the very finest University gradautes in medicine, Engineering, commerce , Architecture, Law etc
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:15am
  - Swifty
    
    Yes, you’ve written that line several times before.
    
    It doesn’t surprise me in the least that you choose to overlook the poor, disadvantaged and brown who fail in our schooling system in their droves, in order to score political points.
    
    You really are contemptible.
    
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    December 9, 2020 11:45am
  - hullkiwi
    
    SB2, do you know what you are talking about? Those that you refer to are often the sons and daughters of recent immigrants. These families have a high attainment ethos and their children often participate in extra curricular lessons provided from within their own communities (amongst reasons for these are the low standards set in state schools). I know of Indian families whose children do just this.
    
    As for Kiwi kids, I know of one primary school principal who said of her pupils, “provided they can read, write and add when they leave here, that is good enough for me”. This means these children are destined for basic retail jobs.
    
    As we found out with our own son (when we moved him from the same school), his reading ability was 12 months below what the school had been telling us in his school reports. Our son is having to have additional, maths, science, english and social studies because of the failures at his previous school. Our son is now at a private preference school.
    
    Education is the best legacy we can give our children and grand children. Failing to teach children the essential subjects to satisfactory standards should not be acceptable!
    
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    December 9, 2020 1:33pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep, if you have professional, well-educated parents, the chances are that you will attend schools where qualified staff deliver a full curriculum and you have exposure to books, language activities and experiences that reinforce the curriculum.
    
    But if you are born to parents that aren’t well educated and live on the wrong side of town/city, you may be delivered a lousy education from a poorly run school.
    
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    December 9, 2020 1:38pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Also wealthier parents are usually brighter and produce brighter potentially higher achieving children. They tend to live in higher class suburbs with schools to match. More able teachers prefer such schools.
      
      All generalities? No so. We do have a stratified society.
      
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      December 9, 2020 1:44pm
      - SB2
        
        Myth!
        
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        December 9, 2020 2:51pm
    - SB2
      
      Wealth does not necessarily deliver better eductional outcomes
      
      It all begins at home and motivation of parents to encourage their children to succeed.
      
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      December 9, 2020 2:50pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No it doesn’t, but the fact still remains that NZ pupils by and large are getting substandard teaching of maths and science at primary and intermediate schools.
        
        and it mightn’t be worrying you stephieboy, but some folks are beginning to wake up..
        
        The Education Review Office reported a few years back that only 27 percent of our primary schools are delivering an effective science programme, which is shocking, and it looks like things haven’t improved an awful lot.”
        
        He said an approach to maths teaching known as the Numeracy Project was also a potential problem. It was introduced nearly 20 years ago and needed to be reviewed because many schools did not believe it was fit for purpose.
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/432516/results-in-maths-and-science-a-worrying-trend
        
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        December 9, 2020 8:12pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        But strange as it may seem a population of wealthier people has a higher proportion of more able children.
        E.G. I was in a primary classroom in Wadestown (top rich WN suburb) out of the 30 children there were 6 with IQ’s of 150 or more. The rich are rich mainly because of attainment and they buy property in suburbs of their own kind. Their children statistically show up as brighter too.
        Only socialist envy would deny the obvious.
        
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        December 9, 2020 8:31pm
Tomtoddy

I am mystified. Maybe I am missing something. Someone my taxes are funding – a lecturer at Auckland University wants to help us cope with climate change. That’s nice.

He suggests that mātauranga (Maori science/knowledge) can assist us with planning for the future. He uses a couple of examples.

One, he says, “Have you ever heard the saying, ‘Summer’s early this year’? That would never happen in a Māori framework. It’ll be summer when it’s here.” Is that deeply profound or plain stupid?

Two, he says, “we need to work with rivers and let them move”. huh?? Again I may be missing something.

Or maybe we have just become so woke and so determined to pretend that Maori have much to offer that we are going overboard in trying to outdo each other in elitist arrogance. Another naked emperor.
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December 9, 2020 8:40am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think it is totally wrong. There is no “Maori Science”. Do Maori have there own laws of thermodynamics? Same with “Maori health”. As far as I know Maori are the same species as me with the same biology.
  
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  December 9, 2020 8:59am
  - Swifty
    
    Yes, something is either “science” or it’s not.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:10am
    - Ruahine
      
      I think we should be studying Chinese Science.
      
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      December 9, 2020 10:16am
  - surfing
    
    You must be wrong. My evidence is that maori are being awarded top science awards for their work.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/420267/maori-astronomer-professor-rangi-matamua-wins-top-science-award
    
    I’m sure dark matter scientists around the globe are lining up to work with this guy.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:10am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Professor Rangi Matamua was awarded the top communication prize at the Prime Minister’s Science Awards on Tuesday.
      
      Kindy grade.
      
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      December 9, 2020 1:47pm
  - Swifty
    
    It’s the same as this crap about “alternative medicine”.
    
    No, it’s either “medicine” or it’s not.
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:10am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Where’s their written papers and peer reviews?
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:28am
- surfing
  
  Yes, it is completely backward. If maori science were so great, why don’t we bring back traditional maori surgical procedures to treat cancer and other ailments?
  
  That is because, we absolutely reject maori ‘science’ that causes death.
  
  But, we’re quite happy to tolerate maori science that causes no immediate harm. Maori study this science because it is easy, real science is too hard for them.
  
  Maori science drains money from real science. So while maori are given research grants to study the movement of stars across the sky and how one might navigate the seas (GPS, hello?) , scientists in america and europe are working on dark matter and the nature of reality.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:05am
- Unity
  
  What did Maori have to offer way back when they were marauding up and down the country killing and eating each other and also murdering the settlers? Muskets were what they wanted more than anything. It’s amazing how money can bring on this touchy feely knowledge. If they pumped all the money they are pouring into this nonsense and also other nonsensical issues, into teaching our children the basics, perhaps we might just make it to the top of the stats and improve their outcomes. It’s a disgrace that so many children are leaving school semi literate and with a poor knowledge of maths.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:31am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes exactly. British rule and the Treaty was by far the best case scenario for Maori. If the Spanish had arrived there would have been no Maori left in short order. The French would have turned the place into another New Caledonia with a very much diminished and marginalised Maori.
    
    And if the Germans had turned up, New Zealand today would probably resemble PNG.
    
    Thats what gets me – the counter factual to New Zealand today is not some happy pre 1840 world. ALL of the scenarios for Maori were much worse than what they ended up with.
    
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    December 9, 2020 11:56am
    - Jack5
      
      Benedict, remember the Germans colonised Western Samoa until World War 1.
      
      From that we have big, burly, brownish rugby or league players with German-sounding surnames, and we have TVNZs fair-skinned Pippa Wetzell, who is of Samoan descent.
      
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      December 9, 2020 1:47pm
- Inandout
  
  Tom, ‘where is the evidence’ I cry.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, he is damn right on one thing.. and that is that Nature changes.
  
  Nature/Environment/Ecosystems/Climate are not static systems.
  
  To assume that the climate or a river system should follow the same course year after year is observable nonsense.
  
  But mātauranga can only be a starting point for any science investigation/exploration.
  
  Mātauranga is a collection of observations and sometimes hypotheses.. until they are rigorously tested and examined and critiqued, then they cannot be considered as scientific evidence or scientific explanations.
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:16am
  - SGA
    
    I agree with your approach in general terms, Maggy, but “science” is a tricky term. At one level, it just means trying to understand the natural world in terms of natural processes (rather than supernatural explanations), at another it refers to methods we use to further that understanding (the scientific method, as it were), at another the corpus of scientific knowledge (not all knowledge need be scientific, of course), and at another it refers to the human (with all its failings) enterprise concerned with applying these principles.
    
    until they are rigorously tested and examined and critiqued, then they cannot be considered as scientific evidence or scientific explanations.
    
    I think that might be too sweeping – for example, Darwin and Einstein’s contributions to science were recognised long before they were able to be rigorously tested. I imagine some modern cosmologists, while working in science, aren’t in a position to have their hypotheses rigorously tested – they spend much of their time constructing scientific explanations from diverse observations about the natural world. Perhaps there just needs to be a potential for such examination?
    
    Not picking a fight, just a few thoughts.
    
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    December 9, 2020 11:16am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Science and the scientific method are intricately interlinked.
      
      True, some hypotheses cannot be tested the moment they are postulated, but that doesn’t relegate them to another system of knowledge.
      
      Facts and observation and experiments will still be required to test the rigour of the hypothesis, and contradictory evidence must be brought into account, not hidden away or dismissed.
      
      Now, you probably know the belief held by some Māori that a heavy flowering of cabbage trees (ti koukā) signifies a long hot summer ahead…
      
      Another example of species used to predict climate patterns is tī kōuka or cabbage tree (Cordyline australis). Kāi Tahu use the flowering of these trees as a tohu, with early and profuse flowering indicating a long hot summer will follow.
      https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/resources/2961-maori-ways-of-knowing-weather-and-climate
      
      But careful observation will show that this is not always true..
      https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/kapiti-news/20190109/282144997485974
      
      and any student of botany (or flower grower) will be well aware that the floral primordia are set down weeks, if not months, before flowering is observed
      (i.e.mass/heavy flowering is dependent on past events/weather) and is not a predictor of future weather patterns.
      
      If matauranga is not up for discussion/testing/experiment, then it falls into the realm of belief… not science.
      
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      December 9, 2020 2:07pm
      - SGA
        
        Science and the scientific method are intricately interlinked.
        
        That’s probably why it is called the “scientific” method :-).
        
        Yes, facts and observations are important, which is why Darwin, say, was able to build such a case for evolution without experiments, per se. As we both say, there should be at least a potential for testing (if not now, then at least in the future) – what we mean by falsifiability.
        
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        December 9, 2020 3:35pm
Swifty

“I demand New Zealanders wallets and purses be raided without their consent so that I may be kept in the lifestyle to which I have become accustomed….and I care not if those New Zealanders have no interest in what I produce; they must pay anyway.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/123635098/lets-find-a-better-way-to-fund-a-resilient-arts-and-culture-sector
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December 9, 2020 8:41am
Yvette

Tarrant arrived in New Zealand apparently with full terrorist intent.
He was not radicalised here (but supposedly in Europe) so there appears to be no New Zealand input to his thinking, and apparently no hate speech of note, in New Zealand, to indicate his own thinking.

The hate speech then that Andrew Little and others would now act against is therefore what existed in New Zealand before Tarrant’s arrival, thus uninfluenced by him.

“Speech which is abusive or threatening and incites hostility towards a group or person can cause significant harm,” Justice Minister Kris Faafoi said.
There will also be changes to the Human Rights Act, which will also see protections for trans, gender diverse and intersex people. [1]

This, as far as public relations go, is unfortunate in that it makes the trans, gender diverse and intersex measures (bold above) look like an inappropriate (in this incident) add-on.

But Tarrant’s apparent near absolute absence of “hate speech”, makes the whole preposed Government / Andrew Little or Faafoi “hate speech” measures an add-on.

To conflate”hate speech” with Tarrant, is not a position of honesty, transparency and clear logic, to start from in the introduction of such measures.

Ardern wants to build consensus in the House when it comes to implementing the 44 recommendations in the report. [2] adding that she does not want the response to the report to be political.
That will likely depend too on the honesty, transparency and clear logic in presenting any changes in freedom of speech.

What is parallel to the mosques massacres is “Islamophobia”. In the case of New Zealand followers of Islam, it can mean scanning the morning media releases to see what international incidents of Islamic violence may lead to local backlash, with that focussed most usually upon Islamic women, identified by their traditional dress. This is the “hate speech” which was officially discussed (apparently resulting in no real action) with authorities, long before Tarrant arrived in New Zealand.

New Zealanders should have the right to question and criticise a religion, the second most predominant in the world and being increasingly established in this country, when overseas news reports and other accounts give reason to be wary of what some followers of the religion – diverse as it is – are doing.

New freedom of language legislation, or “hate speech law”, must take into account that some of the aspects of Islam warrant criticism, as have occurred recently in France – the murders, and Macron endeavouring to counter internal separatism.

Although Tarrant’s actions amount to the greatest individual expression of hate in New Zealand’s history, it in fact involved no hate speech, apart from some comments on a very obscure website, and remarks that were made to particularly close contacts – like family – and in Tarrant’s own brain. That is largely what permitted Tarrant to carry out his intent – he kept to himself, without hate speech attracting any collateral attention.
Little, Faafoi and the Government need to remember that.

[1] https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/christchurch-terrorist-attack-anti-terrorism-and-hate-speech-laws-strengthened-pm-police-sis-apologise
[2] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jacinda-ardern-calls-for-cross-party-support-on-royal-commissions-recommendations/OFKUCSOYCQEI5DFSMMM7OCVUCU/
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December 9, 2020 8:42am
- surfing
  
  Even if the government had some crystal ball that told them there would be a mass murder in christchurch , they would still have failed to prevent this attack.
  
  He was pretty quiet in the lead up.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:14am
  - Inandout
    
    surfing, if Labour had known they would have had to accept the situation in principle and then set up a working group.
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:01am
  - lilman
    
    Apart from shooting himself and turning up at a hospital,thats quiet an anyones book,FFS.
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:58am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What’s gender got to do with this?
  Don’t let the pronouns mob get you. I refuse to say “they” and its other variants for a sole human instance.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:32am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The Left are using Christchurch to advance their agenda of shutting down any speech that is critical of them or their supporters. Its the age old trick. Take a situation and use it to your advantage.
  Given time my statement above will see me taken away to a “re-education camp”.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:54am
  - oldfella
    
    Lastmanstanding, wasn’t it Obama who said, ‘never let a crisis go to waste’?
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:58am
  - SB2
    
    “The Left are using Christchurch to advance their agenda of shutting down any speech that is critical of them or their supporters. ”
    
    Rubbish!
    
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    December 9, 2020 2:55pm
- Swifty
  
  A very good post from you today, Yvette.
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:06am
Odakyu-sen

Words are merely symbols for concepts.

“Aotearoa” as a word could not exist until someone with knowledge of the concept of “nation” thought that Te Reo needed such a word, and so invented it.
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December 9, 2020 8:44am
- SB2
  
  I think Maori had a pretty good idea after hundreds of years of settlement and occuaption,
  
  Aotearoa (Māori: [aɔˈtɛaɾɔa]; commonly pronounced by English speakers as /ˌɑːoʊtiːəˈroʊə/) is the Māori name for New Zealand. It was originally used by the Māori people in reference to only the North Island but, since the late 19th century, the word has come to refer to the country as a whole.
  
  Aotearoa – Wikipedia
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:20am
- Parnell Gun Club
  
  You could call it an artifact of colonialism.
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:32am
Maggie Pie

Give me a cowboy hat or chin scribble any day.
At least they aren’t Fruit Loops…..

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1336213230599880704
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December 9, 2020 8:52am
- Swifty
  
  That man is clearly dishonest.
  
  That he maligns free-enterprise so openly and comprehensively and refuses to acknowledge that it is free enterprise, capitalism, which creates the very wealth he would then confiscate and fling about with gay abandon.
  
  What does it say about a person who would praise socialism and fervently wish it for New Zealand when we have such a deep, rich and lengthy body of work, compiled now for over a century, which clearly demonstrates how socialism turns countries into chaotic wrecks and their citizens into peasants and slaves of the state.
  
  How dishonest can one be?
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:36am
  - SB2
    
    Its known as free speech a concept that appears quite alien to you.
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:22am
    - Swifty
      
      Good god you’re an idiot.
      
      Show me where I called for his speech to be curtailed. Go on smart arse. Show me.
      
      I didn’t. I merely criticised what he said. I did not call for his speech to be silenced.
      
      Can you really not see the difference?
      
      Why are you so stuuuuuupid?
      
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      December 9, 2020 11:50am
  - Cobolt24
    
    I can see where he got his mindset:
    https://mises.org/wire/mexicans-are-blaming-neoliberalism-socialisms-failures
    
    Many on the left are like this.
    
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    December 9, 2020 11:03am
    - Swifty
      
      Brilliant.
      
      “Multiple news sources, for example, refer to the “neoliberal” reforms as the presumed cause of the current hardships in Mexico, by which they mean “market-oriented” reforms. In other words, the Mexican reforms are experiencing what we’ve seen time and time again in Latin America and elsewhere: economic crises are caused by decades of government monopolies and interventionism. But when the state must eventually turn to reform to avoid grave fiscal crises, it’s the reforms that get the blame.”
      
      That’s exactly what the left did in NZ subsequent to the reforms of the 1980s – and still do to this day.
      
      Exactly.
      
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      December 9, 2020 2:06pm
- Swifty
  
  By the way, can anyone tell me why that long-standing Greenie Clint Smith has it in for Ricardo and puts the shit into him as often as he can?
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Jilted?
    
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    December 9, 2020 9:55am
    - Swifty
      
      Heh.
      
      The Mexican wouldn’t share his taco, you reckon?
      
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      December 9, 2020 10:04am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Just from reading your post to be honest 😀
        
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        December 9, 2020 11:26am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Seek not for whom the Taco Bell tolls – it tolls for thee, Rickee…
        
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        December 9, 2020 12:11pm
Benedict Yu

This seems stupid. Government allows 2000 seasonal workers in from places with NO covid like tonga and Samoa. And makes them quarantine on arrival in a hotel where if anything they might catch covid. All they are doing is using up scarce quarantine space.

It just displays an inability to think and act intelligently and flexibly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/0e042225-a4ba-4cb2-83a1-554af80f7ba7

Plus 2000 is not enough. The government is offering financial incentives to unemployed New Zealanders to go and do horticulture work. I have heard it is a failure with only tiny numbers taking up offers of work.
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December 9, 2020 8:55am
- Paulus
  
  It is only 11,000 overseas seasonal workers short so far !
  These small economies depend upon these workers financially via their families for whom they work – yes – WORK.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:30am
  - Jack5
    
    Importing cheap Asian and Melanesian labour is helping New Zealanders’ wealth fall compared with other countries. It’s a backward move.
    
    Horticulturists I admire are not those who are relying on cheap Asian or Melanesian labour, but those who are trying to mechanise their harvests. An example is Hawkes Bay firm T&G Global, and you can read about it in the second link below.
    
    NZ is down to 48th in the world in wealth measured by GDP per capita. Imported cheap labour is an important and growing contributor to the country’s poor performance in productivity, which is the factor taking us down towards the Third World.
    
    I’m with NZ Institute of Economic Research’s principal economist, Peter Wilson:
    
    “Relying on offshore labour didn’t give a chance for employers to innovate and implement new technologies that would enhance productivity and then be profitable to the country.”
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/431740/report-highlights-concern-over-cheap-imported-labour-effect-on-economy
    
    American robotics firm has robot arm working in NZ orchard:
    
    https://www.wired.com/story/apple-robot/
    
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    December 9, 2020 1:34pm
    - artemisia
      
      And New Zealand firm Robotics Plus is exporting apple sorting and packing robotic technology to USA among other places. It is only going to get cheaper.
      
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      December 9, 2020 4:30pm
Surely Knott

Newshub blames the public for a woman’s miscarriage and doubles down on bad journalism.

Newshub ran a story in July, about a worsening housing crisis leaving a family of 6 stuck in a small emergency hotel room. The woman who had applied for 30 houses for her family of 6 but despite her unnamed partner having a well paid ($65) job, they couldn’t get a house. And they were even banned from using the motel pool. This was evidence of a severe housing crisis. Terrible.

They ran a second story about the family in August, and Ardern offers to help the family. The article reads “.. mother of four and pregnant with a fifth, has been turned down by landlords and property managers more than 30 times. ”

Today Newshub ‘s Dan Satherley, has run a third article on the woman and the headline says she miscarried because of public abuse. In the article it says “the stress of being homeless was too much – not to mention the stigma. ” (She was living in a hotel room, given an upgraded motel room with adjoining rooms and is now in a four bed state house). She said, “Facebook I ignored because I knew there was a big backlash. Whoop-de-doo, you’ve all got opinions. That’s fine, I just don’t particularly want to hear your opinion right now.” And then went on to imply that backlash she heard at the shop was about people wanting handouts. But that is not what the backlash on facebook was about.

Mackay says despite being able to afford a place of their own, landlords and public service officials can’t see past her background of drug use even though she’s been clean for 7 years.

In all three stories they mislead the public. The facebook backlash wasn’t about her looking for a handout or her passed drug use. The backlash that I read was aimed at Newshub who ran deliberately misleading stories and left out the facts to pump a narrative .

The mother and her partner had stopped paying rent during lockdown and owed $15,600 of rent and were charged by the Tenancy Tribunal. This fact was clearly why they couldn’t find a place to live and needed emergency housing. And why they were turned down for 30 houses. It was deliberately left out of all of Newshub’s story and now they want to claim that the public are bullying.

Perhaps Newshub should consider how they use people’s personal stories to invite public scrutiny of individual cases especially when they know they are not telling the whole story. It is frustration with lies and disinformation that is promoted as fact that is the cause of the public’s frustration. Any frustration should be directed at Newshub.
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December 9, 2020 9:01am
- Swifty
  
  I think it a legitimate question – can our ‘news media’ organisations still claim that label or have they become government-funded political advocacy organisations?
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:46am
I remember when

“Up yours!!!
Of course they gave the vaccine to a 90 year old.
They have one of, if not the highest, death rates if they become infected with covid-19.
The herders never, to the best of my recollection, ever considered ‘herd immunity’ in the older age groups.
The Pakistan cricket team are are example of how to achieve a high level of ‘herd immunity’.
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December 9, 2020 9:10am
- SB2
  
  An unexpected convert to euthanasia for the elderly in an age of ever-increasing longevity.
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:09am
I remember when

On the vaccine front, giving the first injection to a 90 year old does seem to be an interesting use of what is a restricted availability vaccine resource.
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December 9, 2020 9:14am
- Jack5
  
  Well it is the first injection, and the testing phase has been rushed.
  
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  December 9, 2020 1:51pm
Maggie Pie

A good friend of mine has found Jesus. Jesus has always been shit at hide and seek.
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December 9, 2020 9:24am
- Swifty
  
  Gods are still good at it though it seems.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:46am
- Jack5
  
  Easy, Maggie Pie, if you said that about the Prophet and it slipped through the moderators, DPF’s head would be uninsurable.
  
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  December 9, 2020 1:49pm
Fletch

A video that’s since been scrubbed from the internet of a Chinese professor essentially saying that the Chinese prefer Biden over Trump because the Chinese have influence in Wall Street which in turn influences the govt. They couldn’t do that with Trump because he wasn’t beholden to Wall Street but Biden will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwGLItcb498&feature=emb_title

https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/08/joe-biden-china-communist-party-donald-trump-wall-street/
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December 9, 2020 9:29am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Yes. Trump only fetishizes Wall Street (obsessed with Dow Jones numbers). he is not beholden to Wall street – US bankers stopped lending to him many years ago. He is currently owned by Deutschebank and the Russian mob.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:48am
lastmanstanding

White Island Act of God rescue chopper pilots charged. Christchurch only perp charged.

Sums up the state of governance in this country.
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December 9, 2020 9:30am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Who’s going to pay their costs for their defence?
  
  This action is most improper. Is this representative now of the whole Public Service?
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:35am
  - Inandout
    
    KO, our version of the ‘deep state’ don’t pay out of their own pockets, you do. That is why it is so difficult to fight city hall.
    
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    December 9, 2020 10:44am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      What’s the Solicitor General doing? are they all asleep at the wheel of State? I have a feeling that the Public Service has lost its former professionalism and are now mainly low grade pay-takers. Are they millennials on their phones all day?
      
      Parliament has a duty to perform the executive functions of State. The Public Service are their advisors and agency–that implies integrity and competence. If that is missing, who manages NZ?
      
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      December 9, 2020 1:56pm
- Swifty
  
  That’s an interesting question lastmanstanding.
  
  Do the mosques constitute a work site? If so, why haven’t Worksafe prosecuted all involved? Why the difference with those involved with White Island?
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed — if all records told the same tale — then the lie passed into history and became truth”

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/aliya-danzeisen-orwell-is-alive-and-well-in-nz

During the course of the inquiry, more than 400 meetings were held, 340 non-disclosure orders were made, 73,500 pages of evidence and submissions were analysed and 217 public sector agencies were asked to provide information.

More than 1,100 people wrote formal submissions.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/christchurch-shooting-new-zealand-security-agencies-were-focused-on-islamist-terror-inquiry-finds

And for 30 years, NZers will not know what selective interviewing and editing went on to produce the 800 page Royal Commission report on the Chch Mosque shootings
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December 9, 2020 9:46am
- SB2
  
  What” selective interviewing and editing ” would you have in mind even though it would only be a surmise?
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Shall I do some simple maths here?
    
    73,500 pages of evidence taken….
    Final report is 792 pages.
    
    That is a factor of 93X smaller than the original collection of evidence…..
    
    Did you read Ms Danzien’s article?
    
    Do you understand what she means when she writes:
    the government framed the investigation’s parameters and limited significantly what the commissioners and their secretariat could do and look into.
    
    By trimming the search and the time frames, the government has controlled the outcomes. Lots of questions remain unanswered and due to time delays of the Commission and lack of resources on the community’s side, we as a nation will likely not know the actual full story.?
    
    or this
    Another thought was how so much evidence went unchallenged and ignored.?
    
    or this
    Likewise, conflicting evidence remains unresolved. While there were cases where people could not “recall” and some important testimony disagreed with each other. The Commission just went with the easiest testimony and conclusion.?
    
    because if you can’t understand what she is saying, I can’t help you.
    
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    December 9, 2020 2:31pm
- rangitoto
  
  Not to mention the money wasted on the pathetic graphics in the report.
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:50am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You appear to doubt the reasoning behind the commissioners’ decision to suppress evidence.
  
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  December 9, 2020 1:49pm
Yabster

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/123631072/christchurch-council-spends-255m-buying-historically-important-akaroa-property

would prefer roads where fixed, verges cut (council has no money) and rates hikes were less.. the whole council/rates concept is flawed.
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December 9, 2020 10:00am
SB2

What a way for the White house and Trump administration to go out on,

Scoop: West Wing fears COVID spread after Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis attends WH party,

“President Trump’s lawyer Jenna Ellis has informed associates she tested positive for the coronavirus, multiple sources tell Axios, stirring West Wing fears after she attended a senior staff Christmas party on Friday.
Driving the news: There are concerns about the potential for another White House superspreader event, though it was unclear whether Ellis posed a risk when she attended. Ellis declined to confirm the diagnosis to Axios.

“People brought their families,” said one senior White House official who attended the party and has since been informed of Ellis’ diagnosis.
The revelation follows Sunday’s news that Ellis’ legal sidekick Rudy Giuliani was hospitalized after testing positive.

Behind the scenes: Ellis showed up to the White House senior staff party in the East Wing on Friday as the guest of Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro and was not seen wearing a mask, according to sources who attended the indoor event….”

https://www.axios.com/jenna-ellis-trump-lawyer-covid-2bab2624-0b25-4f47-a532-079fd2c392da.html?utm_campaign=organic&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=twitter
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December 9, 2020 10:07am
I remember when

I spent some time during the week-end at the Tangihanga of a well known local Maori.
Regardless of the relevance that non Maori residents place on the Maori language, I became increasingly aware of its place in the traditional Maori world.
Perhaps, there will be a time when the English speaking world will feel the same – when the language has been replaced by Mandarin.
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December 9, 2020 10:12am
Fletch

Chinese “Mata Hari” who targeted U.S mayors.

https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2dfb99-f839-4e00-8bd8-59dec0daf589.html
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December 9, 2020 10:18am
- SB2
  
  Fletch, under outgoing Trump’s watch
  
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  December 9, 2020 2:57pm
Maggie Pie

Trending Now – via CNN

“GOP LEADERSHIP REJECTS RESOLUTION ACKNOWLEDGING BIDEN AS PRESIDENT-ELECT”
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December 9, 2020 10:23am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Joe won’t make the inaugration with his mind in one piece. Medical miracles are few and far between.
  
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  December 9, 2020 10:50am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Were you one of those who also predicted he wouldn’t make the debates?
    
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    December 9, 2020 1:50pm
I remember when

The White Island eruption charges must be worrying a number of councillors in volcanic areas.
What are their responsibilities in relation to any volcanic tragedies?
Does the council need to start preparing immediate by-laws to cover Health and Safety legislation?
How much will it cost to discover what the actual risks are or might be?
Should those ‘new’ little volcanic activities, that have previously been treated as fairly minor, be taken much more seriously?
How likely is an unexpected major volcanic eruption in the area covered by their council?
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December 9, 2020 10:30am
I remember when

Notice to all Kiwibloggers:
Please stop doing things. It doesn’t matter what it is – just stop doing it.
It is only a matter of time before Daily Newspapers need a “Daily Apologies” paper.
Maybe even a number of pages according to categories. Historical, Racial, Government, Local Body, Misleading Comments, etc.
If we do it often enough it becomes meaningless.
Let’s see if we can, at least, keep it to actions that were genuine injustices.
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December 9, 2020 10:51am
Maggie Pie

Just tuned into Magic to see who’s replaced Peter Williams while he’s on holiday.
The new guys attracting sooo many weirdos and losers, may as well listen to Kerry Woodham.
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December 9, 2020 11:15am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Peter’s not on holiday; he’s commentating on the test cricket from Wellington from Friday to Tuesday, so I’m guessing today and tomorrow are effectively his weekend.
  
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  December 9, 2020 11:45am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Come to think of it, I overheard a guy at work saying Magic was dropping talkback in favor of broadcasting the cricket.
    
    They lose me then.
    
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    December 9, 2020 12:48pm
    - MCos
      
      That’ll send a shockwave through Mediaworks.
      
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      December 9, 2020 3:28pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I started listening and then turned him off after five minutes
  
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  December 9, 2020 12:30pm
- doggone7
  
  The new guy’s attracting so many weirdos and losers? Every time I tune into Williams I wonder at the number of weirdos and losers who call in.
  
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  December 9, 2020 12:57pm
Alex13

That mosque doesn’t look as harmless as they are trying to present it:

https://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm?blog_id=68200

https://web.archive.org/web/20140727140346/www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10310496/A-Kiwi-lads-death-by-drone
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December 9, 2020 11:16am
- mark15
  
  ‘Lad’
  
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  December 9, 2020 12:20pm
- SB2
  
  Alex 13,
  
  doesn’t prove a thing!
  
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  December 9, 2020 2:58pm
burt

Comrades,

The socialist dumb-down is progressing well. Just 3 more years and we should reach a stage where most of the population is unemployable and voting for more welfare.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/300178702/new-zealand-students-record-worst-results-in-maths-and-science
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December 9, 2020 11:16am
- Swifty
  
  I know burt, let’s make Maori compulsory to Year 10 – that’ll help prepare our children for their venturing out into modern society!
  
  That’ll equip our kids with the skills to tackle our great scientific and technical challenges ahead!
  
  Who cares if other subjects like reading, writing, science or maths have to be curtailed or eliminated to free up the 6-10 hours a week for learning Maori – it’ll all be worth it in the end!
  
  FFS.
  
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  December 9, 2020 12:05pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Fun teaching a rebellious 14 yr old group. They’ll throw their hu ma koti at ya.
    
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    December 9, 2020 2:00pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is shocking. Yet the PM will say nothing about it. Unlike the climate, this is MUCH closer to meeting definition of “emergency”.
  
  Clearly the education system needs to change in a big way. And I can tell you teaching more Maori language in schools will just make the problem worse.
  
  Why the hell doesn’t the education minister fly to Singapore and ask “How do you do it?” and then come back and do that. Of course Singapore does not facilitate thousands of dysfunctional families and children through welfare system.
  
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  December 9, 2020 12:11pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The children being Asian are probably brighter too.
    
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    December 9, 2020 2:01pm
Maggie Pie

If you’re looking for a bit of fun, do what I do.
When you’re out in the car and see a Jogger. toot like mad and wave out.
Honestly, they’ll spend the rest of the day wondering who it was 😀
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December 9, 2020 12:25pm
Swifty

Here you go Kiwis – the new Morrie and now with Hydrolastic Suspension!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TwOc62YXJc
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December 9, 2020 12:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have seen idiots build trailers with the rear suspension. Just use a schrader valve and fill it with air. LOL
  
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  December 9, 2020 2:27pm
Jack5

Judith Collins was surprisingly good on the breakfast programme of State TV1 today.

She warned of a coming fight to preserve freedom of speech. Now that’s a cause that National should try to lead on.

Here’s another one.

Canterbury law professor Ursula Cheer had a further warning on RNZ later in the morning. This was the effect on libel law of the Peter Ellis appeal, which the Supreme Court allowed to continue after Ellis’s death.

This was after Ellis’s lawyers argued that Maori tikanga (procedure, custom, habit, lore, method, manner, rule, way) is part of NZ’s common law. Tikanga, Cheer told listeners, holds that an ancestor has even more reputation to protect than a living person because an ancestor has more tapu and mana.

At present, defamation proceedings can’t be continued after the death of a defamed person.

The decision to allow the Ellis case to continue could well affect defamation law, Cheer said, with a new definition of defamation taking that into account.

“People write books and all that sort of thing [about dead people], thinking they’re safe,” Cheer warned.

Wow! Would even academic history be safe?

With our pink Government about to hammer freedom of speech, and Maori custom about to knee-cap criticism of the dead, NZ could be headed for totalitarianism tighter than Orwell could have imagined.

Cheer on possible effects of the Ellis appeal on defamation law:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018776386
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December 9, 2020 1:03pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Glad to see National taking a stand on this.
  
  When ever a leftist asks what rights you are losing when they criminalise speech tell them right to think for yourself and use your own mind. That right will be taken away from you and Andrew Little of the Labour Paty will decide what is hate speech and what is not, what can and cannot be said because one or another might find it hateful.
  
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  December 9, 2020 1:32pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Reputation” is only an opinion about a person held by a group of people.
  The truth is more important than opinion.
  
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  December 9, 2020 1:36pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Would this admission of tikanga Maori (which I disagree with) also admit utu?
  
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  December 9, 2020 2:04pm
cha

So much losing, I’m getting tired of all the losing.
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(ORDER LIST: 592 U.S.)
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 8, 2020
ORDER IN PENDING CASE
20 A98 KELLY, MIKE, ET AL. V. PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL.
The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120820zr_bq7d.pdf

Washington — The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday spurned a request from Republican allies of President Trump to decertify Pennsylvania’s election results, foreclosing hopes from Mr. Trump and his backers that the justices would help deliver him a second term in the White House.

In a one-line unsigned order, the high court left intact a decision from the Pennsylvania Supreme Court that tossed out a lawsuit led by Republican Congressman Mike Kelly challenging a 2019 law that expanded mail-in voting in the state.

“The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied,” the order said. None of the nine justices indicated a dissent.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-rejects-gop-pennsylvania-suit-overturn-election-results/
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December 9, 2020 1:10pm
Swifty

Sportsmen’s Playground New Zealand, 1951:

https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/sportsmens-playground-new-zealand-1951

Pig hunting near Wanaka, deer-stalking in the SI high country and duck shooting on Lake Ellesmere, among others.

Interesting to see the gear and clothing used back then.
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December 9, 2020 1:59pm
- SB2
  
  Including the short back n sides.
  
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  December 9, 2020 5:14pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSclfSnX2ag

Texas Lawsuit.

The AG Paxton of Texas has filed a law suit challenging the election. He wants
the justices to issue a temporary restraining order preventing the states from
“from taking action to certify presidential electors, or to have such electors take
any official action including without limitation participating in the electoral college”.
Changes made by supervisors, or courts were unconstitutional. Non-legislative
actors have acted un-constitutionally. These measures are alleged to have been outcome determinative. Ted Cruz has offered to argue Trumps lawsuit before the SCOTUS. This is the Penn one. If RINOs don’t want to play ball. This lawsuit is
designed to make them. The Inaugaural Committee voted against recognizing
Beiing Biden as ‘president elect’. This is only symbolic, but important. The
MSM, and Dems are trying to make them abandon the ‘deplorables’. Six
Dem mayors in Minnesota endorsed Trump this year.
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December 9, 2020 2:00pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRjeMFJafQQ

How China Wrecked US Alliances.

The US China cold war has seen China divide the US from alliances around the world with the ultimate goal of the Chinese Communist Party surpassing the United States. The perfect example of this unrestricted warfare is the Scarborough Shoal incident, when a deal made between the Philippines and China, led by the US under Kurt Campbell, saw the disputed South China Sea territory fall into China’s hands.
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December 9, 2020 2:01pm
Nickc2

Can we please swap Cindy for one of these?
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/12/08/fashion-notes-melania-trump-christmas-spirit-preppy-peacoat-tartan-stilettos/
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December 9, 2020 2:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is class, then there is arse, you figure it out
  
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  December 9, 2020 4:36pm
Swifty

“I was gonna be busy all day. I had to drop off some guns at Jimmy’s to match some silencers he had gotten. I had to pick up my brother at the hospital and drive him back to the house for dinner that night. And then I had to pick up some new Pittsburgh stuff for Lois to fly down to some customers I had near Atlanta. Right away I knew he didn’t want them. I knew I was gonna get stuck for the money and I only bought the damn guns because he wanted them and now he didn’t want them. I didn’t say a thing. Jimmy was so pissed off he didn’t even say goodbye. Now I knew my Pittsburgh guys always wanted guns and since I was gonna see them later in the afternoon to pick up a delivery, I was pretty sure I’d get my money back.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVsgDbwqrFs

Stir the sauce!
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December 9, 2020 2:44pm
Swifty

Awesome Beatles footage – could have been filmed yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYvkICbTZIQ

Paperback Writer, 1966
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December 9, 2020 2:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/man-on-15-minute-phone-call-accidentally-circumnavigates-globe/?
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December 9, 2020 2:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Two downtickers born without a sense of humour. Good on ya you miserable pricks
  
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  December 9, 2020 4:05pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHI_378vaN4

Seven States Join Texas Lawsuit.

7 States have JOINED the Texas Supreme Court Lawsuit to calling the election UNCONSTITUTIONAL after Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin violated the constitution by changing the rules without the approval of the legislature. Meanwhile the Supreme Court rejects GOP bid to block certification in Pennsylvania.
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December 9, 2020 2:58pm
igm

How low can Wellington City Councillors go?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123646057/wellington-city-councillors-propose-rainbow-advisory-group
The funny pedestrian crossing was bad enough, but now this!
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December 9, 2020 3:06pm
- Inandout
  
  igm, is Mr Abdulla Khan allowed to join the group?
  
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  December 9, 2020 5:10pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/300179039/steve-thompson-and-alix-pophams-dementia-struggles-put-rugby-in-the-spotlight
Sorry but I have no sympathy for these sportsmen, whether they play Rugby Union or Rugby League or indeed any other hard-contact sport.
They play because they WANT to play. Nobody forces them to do so.
They play because they want to make huge amounts of money, and often do.
They play because they can become famous and be noticed and be lauded by their fans and the news media.
They ALL have professional medical staff looking after them all of their professional lives.
They have managers, coaches, advisors, PR people, mentors etc etc.
They go into this business with their eyes wide open.
They know the rules of the game.
And now when things go wrong, as they inevitably do, they want to blame someone else.
Too bad.
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December 9, 2020 3:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

When she says “You’re not listening to me are you?”
Don’t say “That’s a weird way to start a conversation”
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December 9, 2020 3:30pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  My wife says I only have two faults. I don’t listen to her, and something else.
  
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  December 9, 2020 9:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The dam is about to break? We will see what happens – the game is not over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&feature=youtu.be&v=6nF9jw9Pp68&fbclid=IwAR3Dimpw893FTBIZgai-UEFOn9ZZlIZ9lHFWQ9Fy-AVq0-jMwRb9GiR4qig
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December 9, 2020 4:06pm
- SB2
  
  “The dam is about to break?”
  
  Nope!
  
  K G tweets
  
  Machines are working correctly!
  Let’s throw out Trump votes..oh yeah..he already lost!
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  December 9, 2020 4:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hey lefties, back in you Mum’s basement after she let you have one beer?
Don’t let Mum catch you watching this.
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DO1l-nR1Apj4%26fbclid%3DIwAR3P49AgM0bBNETjZyC2y71esIH-7DOyqtBTtjhfTAtgycrNeG2vXoJqw2A&h=AT2FQE-L5TEYFyi0PMybbP6iSsTsyPSF86AzBoSwjZUTMwrCjVfLEBIfe0wyCHoUsQ14gBYfesfiPd7mrXJ8eBBMVYi3ILNq0zyXxMSvgpXW9C7uS1xINwnYH-iB1ro5Kg
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December 9, 2020 4:56pm
Inandout

Stalin would be proud.
https://trends.gab.com/item/5fd04b705400172939b86c77
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December 9, 2020 5:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.facebook.com/andrew.russell.18062/videos/10219150850670813/
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December 9, 2020 5:27pm
Inandout

Joe old chap, I guess you know how the system works.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/schumer-biden-student-loan-cancelation

The taxpayer foots the bill.
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