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Critical Thinker

? KRAKEN RELEASED ?
Attorney Sidney Powell Files 104 Page Bombshell Complaint of Massive Fraud in Georgia Election

Here’s just one of the numerous bombshells in the report ?

Incontrovertible evidence from the Board of Elections records demonstrates that at least 96,600 absentee ballots were requested and counted but were never recorded as being returned to county election boards by the voter. Thus, at a minimum, 96,600 votes must now be disregarded.
https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf

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November 27, 2020 8:02am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Kraken Released in Michigan as well:
  
  Here’s just one of the numerous bombshells in the report ?
  
  Expert witness Russell Ramsland has concluded that Dominion Voting Systems alone is responsible for the injection, or fabrication, of
  289,866 illegal votes in Michigan, that must now be disregarded.
  https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Michigan-Complaint.pdf
  
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  November 27, 2020 8:29am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    More Suspicious Elections Absentee Data from Detroit: 36% of Absentee Ballots Returned Were From People Who Were Not Listed as Being Sent an Absentee Ballot ?
    
    Of the 566,788 absentee ballots cast in Wayne County, the absentee data file provided by the Michigan Secretary of State indicates that 203,311 ballots show that no application for an absentee ballot was mailed or sent to that voter by their local clerk, which is a rate of roughly 36%.
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/suspicious-elections-absentee-data-detroit-36-absentee-ballots-returned-people-not-listed-sent-absentee-ballot/
    
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    November 27, 2020 8:41am
    - Nick R
      
      Wow. Great. Tell me, would you like to buy a bridge? I have an excellent selection for sale. I’m sure you’d like one.
      
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      November 27, 2020 9:32am
      - flash2846
        
        Jo Biden admitted to creating “the most inclusive and comprehensive voter fraud in the history of American politics” on public television. There’s evidence right there.
        
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        November 27, 2020 3:29pm
    - C J Southern
      
      *sigh*
      
      You really have lost all perspective.
      
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      November 27, 2020 9:53am
      - Fletch
        
        Admit it – you wish to ignore these massive instances of fraud because you want Biden to win. If Biden had won fairly, I’d say, well, OK, the American people voted him in, that’s fine. I’m sure Trump would have conceded in a fair election as well. But all indications point to massive fraud. This isn’t just about who becomes president any more. This is about cleaning up the system so the public can have confidence that they really voted in the person that won.
        
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        November 27, 2020 10:11am
      - C J Southern
        
        @Fletch
        To be honest, I’m just tired of giving you nutters oxygen.
        
        If “all indications point to massive fraud” then I’m sure that you’ll have “much success with the courts” – but of course what will really happen is the courts will continue to throw the cases out and then you’ll claim that the courts are covering it up and are part of the “great deception”. You’re another who has lost all perspective; you’re just another “flat earth” nutter.
        
        I would suggest to Sidney Powell that if she want’s to even start with some credibility then she should at least run it through a spell check; even the very title of her magnus opus has 2 glaringly obvious spelling mistakes in it. Hint: it’s spelled “District” – not “DISTRICCT” or “DISTRCOICT”.
        
        Having read it I can only reach the conclusion that the woman is bat-shit crazy; if you’re going to come up with crap about machines switching votes then don’t waste my time with opinion from paid “experts”; show me where the switching occurs in the source code – show me the SHA-256 hashes match to prove that that was the software actually installed on the machines – show me how the CIA broke the AES256-encrypted data streams. Does she do any of that? Nope – the only hashes are the re-hashes of stuff that’s been debunked many times.
        
        At this point you lot are like a bunch of monkeys masturbating in public; feels good for you whilst everyone else just shakes their head because they realise that you’re just not smart enough to know any better.
        
        Regardless, I’ve had enough of this shit – so I’m out.
        
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        November 27, 2020 10:51am
      - Critical Thinker
        
        @CJ “Regardless, I’ve had enough of this shit – so I’m out.”
        
        I highly recommend that you go outside and get some good quality fresh air. It does wonders in helping to keep your mind clear for critical thinking and to gain fresh perspective on the world ??
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky9xa_s297Y
        
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        November 27, 2020 11:15am
      - muppeth8r
        
        cj southern theyre we’re all nutters until proven correct.
        
        if theres no crime/fraud commited then what are you worried about trump will be gone.
        
        face it you know biden “won” by fraud and you batboy and numerous others are about to suffer another 4 years of severe tds. enjoy 🙂
        
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        November 27, 2020 12:38pm
      - Couchpotatoe
        
        Biblical Fail
        
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        November 27, 2020 8:25pm
    - Couchpotatoe
      
      Can’t wait for this evidential process reach it logical conclusion IN THE COURT PROCESS.
      
      If it means fraud then so be it, recall the election results. If not then let the conservative heads explode in their self induced BDS hysteria.
      
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      November 27, 2020 8:29pm
- virtualmark
  
  I know you really want to believe she has a case … but this filing is riddled with errors and just won’t last more than a few minutes in Court. Just check out the spelling errors in the heading for a start.
  
  More Krakhead than Kraken.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:12am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    I highly recommend everyone to read these reports in full so that they can spot every single one of the sPeLlInG eRrOrS. And then get many other people to do the same. Spread the word! ??
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:31am
    - Fletch
      
      Yep, of course, the media pick up on the spelling errors and ignore the content. How like the media to pick up on spelling or Rudi’s hair. They are pathetic.
      
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      November 27, 2020 10:19am
      - virtualmark
        
        Nope. The content is even more unprofessional than the spelling errors.
        
        I’m trying to be gentle on you here … the two suits that Sidney Powell has filed in Georgia and Michigan will crash and burn in front of the first judge that sees them. There is no credible pathway for these suits to make it to the Supreme Court. There is no credible likeliness of success here.
        
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        November 27, 2020 3:43pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Here’s the Georgia Filing from yesterday:
      https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf
      
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      November 27, 2020 10:45am
    - freethinker
      
      Our Media reports contain many spelling & Grammatical errors does that invalidate any facts ?
      
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      November 27, 2020 10:57am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        There would need to be facts to invalidate first.
        
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        November 27, 2020 3:34pm
      - curry4me
        
        freethinker: Our media reports have facts? Who knew? They’ve certainly got enough spelling, and grammar errors. One of my favorite eamples of auto-cue reader illiteracy is ‘a boat overturned in Auckland harbour this morning’. No, it didn’t, it capsized. Cars overturn.
        
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        November 27, 2020 3:42pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Republicans and Democrats, and in NZ, National, ACT, Labour, Greens, should all be equally interested in what is going on for the following reasons:
    
    (1) It is about the process as much as it is about who was the victim. It is not just about finding out who is right, but what is right.
    
    (2) It is about maintaining democracy and in the US, the constitution.
    
    (3) US citizens need to have faith in their election system.
    
    (4) The fate of the world hangs in the balance. If tyranny has stolen the election, tyranny will wreak havoc and destruction on the world.
    
    (5) If you had actually watched the video, you would have learnt that it is not just about this election, but ensuring it never happens again. It is about safeguarding the constitution.
    
    Who cares if there are errors? Pulling something this big together in such a short time is bound to have errors. Clearly you have never put together any detailed legal submission with hundreds of pages. You can’t just use a random phrase / paragraph generator like Curran, Woods, Ardern, Et al do on a regular basis.
    
    What is important is the evidence. Anyone who does not want the truth to come out is either:
    
    (a) Dumb: Deluded as to what justice actually means and the importance of protecting it.
    
    (b) Sincere Marxist: Has drank the Marxist Koolaid and cannot see the failings of Marxism.
    
    (c) Cynical Marxist: Knows its wrong but is on the payroll, so will say anything.
    
    What you are positing, is an end to justice, an end to democracy, an end to the US constitution, and the free world.
    
    The law of Karma: What you wish on others, ultimately gets reflected back to yourself. So be careful what you wish for others. Karma has an indelible memory, and no time limitation. Karma is a bitch.
    
    Imagine you being arrested for a heinous crime you did not commit, only to find that the prosecution attorneys, defense attorneys, judge and jury all have as much disregard for justice as you project. Good luck with that.
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:46am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      The irony that the people who are disregarding these filings due to spelling mistakes and grammatical errors are the same people that are ignoring issues relating to cured ballots and incorrectly processed votes is not lost on me.
      
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      November 27, 2020 10:54am
      - Batman
        
        Maybe you’re not of sound mine* then?
        
        *Totally distinct from sound of mind, which I wouldn’t accuse you of.
        
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        November 27, 2020 11:00am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Actually Batman, I’d argue that I’m a lot more sound of mind than you are on this subject.
        
        I believe there are huge issues, both legally and ethically with the US election.
        I believe the American people deserve and need answers (one way or the other – I honestly don’t care as long as it’s done properly).
        The biggest issue for me is to ensure that future elections don’t have these issues (there are a lot of instances of people overstepping their jurisdictional rights in this election which for me is the biggest issue). A lot of the issues are probably just issues of perception but for the health of democracies, you can’t have perceptions of wrong-doing.
        I’m interested in Democracy and am not actually pro-Trump or anti-Biden. I am fervently anti biased media though so obviously I look more pro-Trump than not.
        I don’t think the election result can or should be overturned (barring absolute proof of fraud) but am entirely willing to admit that I believe the Democrats have taken every advantage they can get in this election. Again, it’s not unreasonable to expect both sides to do everything they can – they both have form.
        
        The fact is, their election system is a mess with conflicting laws all over the place and different people having jurisdiction at every step. This needs to be cleaned up and cases like this where all of the issues get aired is a perfect opportunity to do so. That is why I’m defending these cases – it’s the best opportunity to fix their system they might ever get.
        
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        November 27, 2020 11:51am
      - Batman
        
        Sorry, my ‘sound of mine’ joke was in reference to one of the affadavits which opens with the guy saying he is “sound of mine”. Then goes on to allege a bunch of heresy and claims without evidence.
        
        I don’t disagree that the US system is flawed and in dire need of bringing up to first world standard. They need a new Voting Rights Act and possibly a Federal Voting Standards Committee or similar, to prevent this kind of chaotic fuckery from even being possible.
        
        I disagree about which party has form for fraud etc. History tells us very clearly that the GOP has a much darker track record.
        
        That doesn’t include gerrymandering which is a huge issue and both parties are guilty of because of course they would do it. Letting politicians pick their voters is an entirely insane concept and should be banned outright. It should actually be a constitutional amendment in my view, as an explicit carve-out to states’ rights to run elections.
        
        These cases are bunk and will only undermine the system by giving one side even more of a grievance narrative and further weakening the idea of facts and truth.
        
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        November 27, 2020 12:00pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Batman
        
        Justice is seldom ever about spelling, and often about the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law.
        
        Honest judges know that, since most have come up through the legal system, and spent a lot of time dealing with shitheads.
        
        You don’t get off a murder charge or Act of treason just because someone mis-spelled your name.
        
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        November 27, 2020 1:02pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Yes, and the type of people that when the mis-carriage of justice is against them, they squawk so loud they can be heard all the way to the international space station.
        
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        November 27, 2020 1:20pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        @Jackrabbit, actually that nearly happened in the Ngatea/sword case b/c the crown spelled the perpetrators name wrong… I believe it caused at least one appeal.
        
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        November 27, 2020 3:44pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Pharmachick
        
        Yes sometimes it does. Other times it doesn’t.
        
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        November 27, 2020 4:06pm
      - C J Southern
        
        It’s not about the spelling, punctuation, and grammatical errors – it’s about the consistency of being so sloppy and careless in one’s presentation and equally sloppy and careless about the case.
        
        But what does she care? Trump nutters are forking over millions for the court cases and best guess is she thought she’d cash-in on a piece of the action.
        
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        December 1, 2020 9:06pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The source of the document is not clear. It may just be a draft that has been uploaded. It has no case #.
    
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    November 27, 2020 2:56pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Attorney Sidney Powell also challenged the State Governor re-writing a set of election conduct rules when the Legislature already had one. He was not the Legislature so was powerless.
  The legislated rules were far from followed.
  
  The filings are on line and 104 pp. They are an excellent presentation for what may turn out to be a historical document.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:13am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Who ever wrote that is nuts.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:28am
  - Inandout
    
    BM, is that all you can contribute?
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:44am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Inandout: When a pleading has such terms as “massive” fraud etc it is written for a gullible group’a approval, nothing more. That is why there is little that can be said about it.
      
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      November 27, 2020 12:53pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        “Massive” is an adjective, a part of the English language to describe size or scope of something, and probably fitting in this circumstance. For what witnesses are attesting to, “massive” actually seems a tad small.
        
        “Colossal” would have been a better choice.
        
        Massive: Exceptionally large.
        Colossal: Extremely large or great.
        
        Whats the point of the English language, and in this case an adjective, if someone like you gets offended by its use.
        
        “Mac and I arrived at the pub but were blocked from entering by the bouncer. This guy must have been 7ft 6 and 400 pounds. He was friggin massive.”
        
        Oh hang on, Brian is reading this.
        
        “This guy must have been 7ft 6 and 400 pounds. He was friggin tiny. But for a tiny guy he had a massively powerful right hook.”
        
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        November 27, 2020 1:34pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Brian,
        
        One interesting thing is that these “Kraken” filings are the first Trump election court cases to allege fraud. Trump et al love to say the word to the media, but no lawyer has been prepared to put it to a judge until now.
        
        The challenge for Powell though is that the rules of US Federal courts require that “In alleging fraud or mistake, a party must state with particularity the circumstances constituting fraud or mistake.” As in really specifically say who did what, when, how etc. Not just hearsay and allegations … real detailed evidence.
        
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        November 27, 2020 6:04pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Georgia Filing which I read in full, is lucid, documented and masterly. An excellent summary of issues for adjudication. Supporting evidence has also been presented.
    
    Cases of this standard cannot be ignored. It was interesting to see the foundational concern on the rights of all votes to be given equality. This is potential SCOTUS territory.
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:52am
    - Batman
      
      Masterly? SCOTUS territory?
      
      Oh fucking hell, there’s no helping any of you out of this delusional episode.
      
      The Q lawyer ain’t got nothing and the court process will show that.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:39am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Read the Complaint. There are substantive legal issues about the nature of voting and how the Constitution deals with that. That’s bread & butter for the Supreme Court. The arguments have general application.
        
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        November 27, 2020 2:51pm
- IC5000
  
  Is this the one where she accused Hugo Chavez of participating in this election conspiracy?
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:48am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    “Smartmatic and Dominion were founded by foreign oligarchs and dictators to ensure computerized ballot-stuffing and vote manipulation to whatever level was needed to make certain Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez never lost another election.
    
    Notably, Chavez “won” every election thereafter.
    
    A core requirement of the Smartmatic software design was the software’s ability to hide its manipulation of votes from any audit.
    
    The design and features of the Dominion software do not permit a simple audit to reveal its misallocation, redistribution, or deletion of votes. First, the system’s central accumulator does not include a protected real-time audit log that maintains the date and time stamps of all significant election events. Key components of the system utilize unprotected logs. Essentially
    this allows an unauthorized user the opportunity to arbitrarily add, modify, or remove log entries, causing the machine to log election events that do not reflect actual voting tabulations—or more specifically, do not reflect the actual votes of or the will of the people.”
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:04am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Chavez has nothing to with the current election.
    The complaint raises an issue detected about the operation of the machines which were unknowingly online. Chavez is only relevant as earlier machines were built to his orders and the models seem to have continued.
    Info has surfaced that vote counting took place off-shore in Germany and this is an ongoing inquiry.
    The machines are only a small part of the matters for adjudication and are part of a constructive picture.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:55am
    - Batman
      
      They weren’t built to his order.
      
      Dominion don’t have servers in Germany.
      
      This is all fanciful tales based on internet rumours of those hoping for a fantasy to come true.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:40am
      - JackRabbit
        
        For your info, servers do not give birth to, or build voting machines.
        
        And nor do servers have to be anywhere in particular, or used anywhere in particular.
        
        No-one needs servers in Germany to count votes in Germany.
        
        Its all smoke and mirrors. Ask KDC.
        
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        November 27, 2020 1:43pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Don’t buy into IC5000’s horseshit. He’s trying to wind you up, by confusing things.
      
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      November 27, 2020 1:38pm
      - IC5000
        
        I’m confusing things? I can’t even keep track of these idiot conspiracy theories anymore. Trumpists are literally making things up and feeding off their own retardation.
        
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        November 27, 2020 3:51pm
- Fletch
  
  The whole election was rife with fraud, that the media totally ignore. All because, almost as one, the media want Joe Biden as president. Well, he isn’t president yet. He isn’t even “president elect”. That isn’t decided until mid-December. At the moment, Biden is nothing.
  
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  November 27, 2020 10:07am
  - Crossing The Bar
    
    He won’t be inaugurated. The imaginary Office of the President Elect falling to pieces.
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:04am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Yes I do laugh at those signs declaring an imaginary office. He might want to hold off ordering more.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:57am
  - freethinker
    
    The Democrats, some Republicans both local & central Govt plus the FBI/CIA operatives in senior positions and MSM will fight like rats as they know a second term POTUS Trump will see many of them wearing Orange jumpsuits and handcuffs holidaying at Gitmo.
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:04am
    - Batman
      
      No that’s a deranged fantasy of the Anons.
      
      The only people going to jail are former Trump Admin officials, and possibly Trump himself depending on what the state cases find.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:13am
      - muppeth8r
        
        deranged fantasy is believing the usa election results are legitimate.
        
        why not chill out and watch what does or doesent unfold and comment on the outcome instead of constant denial of reality.
        
        guess youre worried trump really did win by a landslide and you jumped the gun. 🙂 I expect a whole thread dedicated to your apologies to those you abused and mocked once trump is declared winner.
        
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        November 27, 2020 12:45pm
      - IC5000
        
        Can Trump issue blank pardons to to filled at a later date with whatever indictments a DA chooses to file at a later date?
        
        Asking for a friend
        
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        November 27, 2020 3:56pm
- bruceavon
  
  Numerous problems with with the Georgia suit. Including that those accused of rigging the election are Republicans, so you have to question motive. Secondly the poor quality of the “experts” with Trump own department of homeland security declaring this was the most secure election ever. The biggest problem with attacking the software for rigging the results is that the hand recount would surely have demonstrated it had the program tampered with and changed results. But it did not.
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:10am
  - Crossing The Bar
    
    If some Republicans had done the rigging, as well as DHS hyperbolically calling the election “the most secure ever” (without any of the evidence that audits could provide), then this counts for nothing, as plenty of Trump’s purported allies don’t support him. Further, a mere recount will never uncover any discrepancies, only a full ballot-by-ballot audit could achieve that.
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:39am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Yes, Bruce doesn’t get that. He doesn’t understand fraud nor how you expose fraud by audits. He and others refer to recounts finding nothing.
      
      These recounts could be compared to recounting the money in the till and recounting the stock on the shelves. It only tells you what is in the till and what is on the shelves. It does not tell you should be in the till or what should be on the shelves.
      
      To determine that you have to check the chain of custody. It is the chain of custody that has been breached with all sorts of spikes in ballots solely for Biden in the early hours of the morning.
      
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      November 27, 2020 5:44pm
  - Fletch
    
    You can’t do a hand count of votes that came in by computer. Also, much of this recount stuff is just counting the fraudulent votes all over again, ignoring the important part which is the envelope which has the signature and postcode (or not).
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:55am
    - Batman
      
      You’re correct, but most of the voting machines have a paper ballot which you scan into the machine and it reads it. So there are ballots.
      
      As for mail ballots, they’re checked when opened but by this point the envelopes and ballots are separated. You can’t put them back together unless you’ve got six months and a magic wand. This is key to the legal case as the plaintiffs are really looking to have whole classes of votes thrown out and have the thing to go the House where they believe it’ll result in a Trump win.
      
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      November 27, 2020 12:08pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        It’s part of the legal case, BM, but because you are mostly correct, I agree.
        
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        November 27, 2020 2:36pm
      - chukar
        
        Absolutely sick of the US elections.
        What is the truth?
        Who can we trust?
        
        Do you know?
        
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        November 27, 2020 9:25pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    “…with Trump own department of homeland security declaring this was the most secure election ever.”
    
    Jacinda declared that she saved 80,000 lives. Saying something does not make it true.
    
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    November 27, 2020 5:50pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Mathew Hooten thinks Jacinda can break the house bubble. I am thinking my lucky stars that I cannot read his crap as it is behind pay wall. How low can he go?
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November 27, 2020 8:08am
- RoboRob
  
  He must be under contract by the Labour party at the moment 🙂
  
  Once I realised he was just a pr guy and would promote whatever his current employer wants, I stopped bothering with his opinions. Smart guy though.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:05am
- Frank the tank
  
  Been excommunicated from National (at this stage) and Act aren’t stupid enough to have him so looking for a red trough to reside in.
  
  Arden’s Blairite 3rd way fantasy will suit him down to the ground. He can even continue to lobby for gongshow Northport project.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:09am
- Catgurl13
  
  Who needs to pay to read anything on there. There are other ways that are free to bypass that lol.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:21am
  - C J Southern
    
    I’m guessing that ethics and morals aren’t a priority for you.
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:41am
    - freethinker
      
      Im certain that intelligence & logic are alien to you.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:10am
    - Catgurl13
      
      It’s nothing to do with ethics,it’s to do with using your intelligence and a bit if googling to get the job done lol. Not my fault you can’t work it out haha.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:21am
    - Positan
      
      I’m sure you’ll feel far more at home among those instant-offence-taking, equally-closed, illogical and unwilling-to-reason minds that formulate all the out-of-touch offerings on every leftist blog.
      
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      November 27, 2020 12:14pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      It’s called the Auckland library app. Perfectly ethical and legal.
      
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      November 27, 2020 12:46pm
  - IC5000
    
    So you’d steal content without paying for it? I guess you’re just another freeloader then.
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:50am
    - Catgurl13
      
      Aww jealous are we you cant do it yourself?…..it’s pretty easy with a bit if googling lol.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:18am
      - IC5000
        
        You’re the one always going beneficiaries using taxpayers money but at least they receiving what they are legally entitled to unlike you. How does it feel to be a hypocrite?
        
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        November 27, 2020 3:00pm
    - JerJer
      
      Most NZHerald articles that are non-NZ are published free on international news sites.
      
      You just take the headline and put it into google and choose the free web site it was originally published on.
      
      Doesn’t always work on New Zealand articles, but there are not many worth actually reading.
      
      So the free route is the best way.
      
      Only a moron would pay for something that is free.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:44am
      - Catgurl13
        
        There are also free apps that do it too.
        
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        November 27, 2020 12:17pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Catgurl13 – NZ Herald has plugged that loophole. You cannot read the content now. Lot of people were taking advantage of the earlier loophole to read crap published as premium content.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:19am
    - Catgurl13
      
      Oh yes you can,the hole is not plugged lol. I read it every day for free.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:16am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Mathew Hooton certainly didn’t do National any favours after getting Todd and Nicki to takeover from Simon. That didn’t work out too well. Todd probably very lucky to still be there……I bet he’s a bit sheepish with his caucus colleagues.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:55am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Mullet Muller is the worst thing that happened to National before election.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:20am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Dunno the leaker(s) to Toxic T did a smash up job as well
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:10am
      - muppeth8r
        
        was it all really “leaks” tho or just manufactured fake news?
        
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        November 27, 2020 3:49pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  *thanking
  
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  November 27, 2020 10:18am
Scott

Was the election stolen from Donald Trump? I think yes. The 5 or 6 key swing states that stopped counting, the mysterious dump of Biden only ballots in the early hours of the morning, the concerns about the voting software. All big stories, all worthy of investigation.

Will the mainstream media investigate? Of course not! They hate Trump and they want Biden. They’re not calling balls and strikes. They are umpires striking out Donald Trump and letting Biden walk the bases.

Hunter Biden is the tell. Big story, Hunter’s laptop, drugs, prostitutes, under age sex, millions of dollars of corrupt money coming to him while his father was vice president. Money going to the big guy, named by an eye witness as Joe Biden.

But the press didn’t touch the story. In fact twitter and Facebook and Google suppressed it. Donald Trump and his associates were censored by Twitter 260 times, Joe Biden 0.

Now we may have Joe Biden as president. What’s he going to do? We don’t know because the press never asked him. Never probed with any substantive questions. Never even asked him about foreign policy? Are you going back to endless wars? Are you going to have an open border?

Maybe if the press had done their job the American public might have been informed before election day? But no, in the press’s mind the only important thing was orange man bad.
Pathetic! Who honestly can believe anything the mainstream media says anymore?
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November 27, 2020 8:09am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Corrupt Media and Big Tech in Full Panic Mode
  
  Twitter is blocking users from sharing links to lawyer Sidney Powell’s lawsuits relating to widespread voter fraud in the 2020 Presidential election.
  https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/11/26/twitter-blocks-potentially-harmful-links-to-sidney-powell-election-lawsuit/
  
  One out of every six Biden voters (17 percent) said they would not have voted for Biden had they known the facts about one or more of these news stories:
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  45.1% unaware of Hunter Biden scandal.
  43.5% unaware of Middle East peace deals.
  50.5% unaware of US energy independence.
  39.4% unaware of 11.1 million jobs created .
  49.0% unaware of 33.1% economic growth.
  25.3% unaware of Kamala Harris most Leftist Senator.
  36.1% unaware of Operation Warp Speed.
  35.4% unaware of Biden sex assault allegations.
  
  The most basic principle of an electoral system is that the leaders are chosen by the people themselves. But if the people are given systematically one-sided information, with crucial facts omitted, then the real power to choose has been stolen from them.
  https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2020/11/24/special-report-stealing-presidency-2020
  
  Reconcile ☝️?
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:12am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    A good video on this strikingly Orwellian unreality many people now live in ?
    https://youtu.be/gLnZphfAcV8?list=WL&t=115
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:28am
  - fernglas
    
    17% of Biden voters are illiterate numpties who don’t read or watch the news?
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:29am
  - Inandout
    
    CT, censoring can only work in a dictatorship like North Korea or old East Germany, but the US is a huge country with a myriad of state and local laws. I would also think they have more lawyers per square mile than any other nation to use. OK there can be pressure put on large legal firm to quieten their employees, but small legal practices are harder to silence when they take on voting irregularities.
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:51am
    - Crossing The Bar
      
      Innocent parties don’t need to threaten and intimidate lawyers who may expose them.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:52am
  - Isobar
    
    So flipping it around:
    
    54.9% aware of Hunter Biden scandal.
    56.5% aware of Middle East peace deals.
    49.5% aware of US energy independence.
    60.6% aware of 11.1 million jobs created .
    51% aware of 33.1% economic growth.
    74.7% aware of Kamala Harris most Leftist Senator.
    63.9% aware of Operation Warp Speed.
    64.9% aware of Biden sex assault allegations.
    
    So according to your (somewhat sketchy) poll, the majority of people in all of these bar one were aware of them (a remarkable amount given the amout of people disconnected from mainstream media, newspapers etc), yet the still voted out Trump.
    
    Maybe these issues just didnt resonate with voters and Trump badly miscalculated.
    
    He probably would have done much better with a focus on Health and the Economy.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:19am
    - SB2
      
      None of the current crop of covid vaccines were an outcome of Operation warp speeed
      
      Oil indenpendance was achieved before Trump came on the scene.
      
      You mean the so called Uktaine scandals part 1 and 2 ?
      
      Thats right sex assaults are just that , allegatiions
      
      At least half of those jobs lost under Trump’s inept handling of covid 19 pandemic
      
      LOL
      
      Middle East Peace deals in the Yemen, Afghanistan , Palestinians, Iran etc
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:25am
      - Isobar
        
        I actually agree with you – i was just pointing out how silly ‘Critical thinker’ was with their original post.
        
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        November 27, 2020 4:51pm
- C J Southern
  
  What a load of drivel. It’s the courts who determine the legality of the election – not the press and not the voters.
  
  If the fraud was as widespread and blatant as stated by the losers then there would have been plenty of credible evidence and yet despite having an army of lawyers and investigators available to them, two facts tell you all you need to know:
  
  1. No credible evidence of widespread fraud has been found, and
  
  2. They haven’t even alleged fraud in court.
  
  Stop being such a gullible lemming.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:48am
  - Fletch
    
    What a load of drivel. It’s the courts who determine the legality of the election
    
    Actually, it’s NOT the courts. It’s the State Legislature that has complete province over the elections in their state. They decide who won and which electors to send in December. This is what you keep getting wrong and I keep pointing out. The courts changed election law to allow late voting by mail after the end of election day, allowing postal votes without a postmark, without a signature, where signatures don’t match the one on file, etc. And they have no right to do this.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:25am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      In Georgia the Gov created his own set of rules despite those already in force through the State Legislature. That seems to be a sufficient case in its own right to deny certification to the votes.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:07am
      - Batman
        
        This is the dumbest theory you chaps have ever tried to run. Perhaps with the exception of the numerous “only joking” claims whenever Trump does something assholey
        
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        November 27, 2020 11:43am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Read the Filings and also watch the hearing of the PA State Legislature. Oodles of evidence.
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:02am
    - SB2
      
      Samples of the said filings?
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:19am
  - emmess
    
    Patience, young padowan
    
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    November 27, 2020 1:20pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  The election result for Biden is the one that most closely conforms to virtually every opinion poll done prior the the election. I know Trumpinistas think opinion polls are all rubbish, but as DPF has shown, they are actually pretty good at predicting the results, even if not the exact percentage.
  
  In my view none of the litigation will go anywhere (it hasn’t so far), and that will be clear within the next couple of weeks.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:49am
  - Rodney Hide
    
    I was thinking it was an uphill battle, but now with Wayne’s professional opinion I am now betting Team Trump will coast home!
    
    Rodney Hide
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:11am
    - lifesgood
      
      Wayne…lol!
      
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      November 27, 2020 10:49am
    - Mike
      
      Wayne’s just jealous of politicians who achieved more than him – like that guy behind the ‘super city’.
      
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      November 27, 2020 12:34pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Rodney
      Surely you are not still smarting over the NIWA temperature series?
      
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      November 27, 2020 3:05pm
    - curry4me
      
      Rodney Hide: thanks for that. I hope things are going swimmingly for you, and yours.
      
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      November 27, 2020 3:55pm
  - RoboRob
    
    I agree that the litigation doesn’t appear likely to go anywhere. However you totally wrong with regards to the polling. Many polls were out by much more than their margin of error. Many polllsters had Biden winning by huge Margins (10+ pct), the election was much closer than they predicted.
    
    To me it seemed that some pollsters were using their polls to drive opinion / sentiment not to reflect the actual mood of voters.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:28am
  - Fletch
    
    Yes, but the polls were all wrong. The polls all said the Democrats would get a huge number of seats in the House and Senate and were completely wrong. By the way, a party that has had huge wins in the House and Senate have never lost their candidate becoming president as well. Another indicator of fraud. The only reason the media pushed their fake polls was to implant the idea that Biden would win.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:28am
  - Crossing The Bar
    
    Psst, Wayne (leans in to ear) – the polls were fake too.
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:07am
- IC5000
  
  > Hunter Biden is the tell. Big story, Hunter’s laptop, drugs, prostitutes, under age sex, millions of dollars of corrupt money coming to him
  
  Trump should have taken him under his wing and shown Hunter how it’s really done.
  
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  November 27, 2020 3:14pm
Nukuleka

The declaration of a climate emergency- now that the government has us all under control through fear of the pandemic and ready to their bidding at will now it is time to declare a climate emergency so that further measures can be taken to get us further under control, take away our rights and begin the Great Reset.

A conspiracy theory? Time will tell, comrades, time will tell.
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November 27, 2020 8:10am
- RoboRob
  
  Nah, wont be that serious, don’t worry.
  
  This is just Labour dealing with an issue. To fix a problem you declare an emergancy or crisiss (i.e. housing). You talk about how terrible it is and start some working groups. Then you pick a group (i.e. landlords, employers, asians) and paint them as evil bad guys. At this point you have dealt with the issue. Maybe you need to nod your head and be sympathetic to really effect an improvement 🙂
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:19am
- redeye
  
  We have a new comedic oxymoron to add to the list that include military intelligence and civil war.
  ‘Scheduled emergency’.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:23am
  - Melbury
    
    “Notional Emergency”
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:10am
    - oldfella
      
      “Aspirational Emergency”?
      
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      November 27, 2020 10:47am
  - Ehlana
    
    What on earth is a “scheduled emergency”? And can we please stop scheduling them?
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:39am
- Catgurl13
  
  Next will be a climate tax introduced and then following on all insurance companies will then introduce a climate emergency levy on all policies.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:23am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It can’t be a conspiracy theory if public figures openly name it and describe it.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:30am
  - Batman
    
    Yes, then it’s just a conspiracy
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:53am
- Rodney Hide
  
  Normally, one can spot an emergency. Not this one. It needs a Parliament Declaration.
  
  Same with the virus. Without a dodgy test, the sick don’t even know they are sick.
  
  Lock us up. With government messaging to tell us to wash our hands.
  
  My kids at three knew to wash their hands. Without a government message.
  
  The infantilisation of government policy almost complete.
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  November 27, 2020 10:16am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Oh no there is sooo much more to go. Wait for the spin when the Aussies get their jab and get on the plane to Bali and we are still not allowed across the ditch.
    
    And you just know the media and the majority of the population here will just eat it up.
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:14am
  - Crossing The Bar
    
    Rodney,
    I would have responded to your comment earlier, but I first had to fight my way through two 100 year floods with gale force 11 winds. Prior to that, I had to climb over a pile of wretched Covid victims that had accumulated in my door way overnight, breathing their last as they sheltered from the inclement weather.
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:14am
artemisia

So living wage or more has to be paid to RSE workers next month, this government quietly bringing in the living wage as mandatory whenever it can slide it in. Because, Minister Faafoi says, they are experienced. Not sure how that will work when the highly efficient and hard workers are paid on a different basis, eg volumes.

No mention of the incentives for our usual RSE workers to head to Australia, quite likely plenty are already there as the offer has been in place for weeks. And our plan seems loose not to mention late.

Minister Faafoi is confident increased RSE costs on growers won’t result in higher prices in our supermarkets. He’ll be following prices closely and reporting on them to we the people. Right?

In any case the living wage is a rort developed by do gooders to allow New Zealanders to contribute to society and have overseas trips.
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November 27, 2020 8:14am
- GJM
  
  It won’t prices, as growers are price takers, not price setters, especially for export crops. I expect to see bankruptcy and fruit rotting on the ground as it is not economic to pick at these costs, and in many cases, it is to late.
  Winz need to tell the dole bludgers to get off the couch and work. No work, no benefit. Pay if needed transport costs and look at stand down periods perhaps.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:06am
  - artemisia
    
    Instead of coming down hard on Jobseeker ‘clients’ the government has announced major funding for them to take up fruit picking etc.
    
    Now all those ‘clients’ need is to find an employer to hire them, and keep them on for 6 weeks so they get their $1k bonus. Good luck with that.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:01am
    - Cactus Kate
      
      https://www.mbie.govt.nz/dmsdocument/11845-pacific-peoples-in-the-labour-market-june-2020-quarter-pdf
      
      Here are Pacific Island dole stats. What’s wrong with these people especially the young ones, that means NZ has to import 2000 more to come and pick fruit? If the ones already in NZ won’t take the jobs then knock them off the dole list because they’re all meant to be available for work.
      
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      November 27, 2020 1:08pm
      - Close Hen Counters
        
        They are too busy breeding like rabbits kate – no time to work when you are pumping out the next NZ intelligentsia …. it’s appalling. As an aside, I love your blog site too ☺️
        
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        November 27, 2020 2:56pm
  - giltee
    
    Most of those on the dole still won’t want to work in restaurants, pick fruit or harvest vegetables no matter how much they’re paid.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:44am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Many employers would not want them either.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:12am
  - Bullion
    
    You know what would help fruit and veggie growers turn a profit, getting slaves. There may be some upkeep involved, such as housing and medical costs but probably still cost less than paying wages. Also, out of season they could lease the slaves to other industries requiring their labour.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:45am
  - Ian Boag
    
    fruit rotting on the ground as it is not economic to pick at these costs
    
    You mean the grower will be looking at a loss because the labour is too dear. I guess when that happens you look at the relative costs of
    
    (a) harvesting and making a loss
    (b) not harvesting and making a bigger loss
    
    Not all that hard when you look at it that way. Personally if I was a grower and the sums made sense and I was short of labour I would just offer more money. Most likely (b) is worse than (a) …
    
    The workings of the market ….
    
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    November 27, 2020 1:02pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Living Wage was a UK political device and the Lower Hutt Anglican Social Centre Priest Charles Waldegrave called focus groups together and came up with numbers for a similar union campaign in NZ.
  
  CHICKEN The wages for Auckland were $24/hour and elsewhere about $18/hour. They were dismayed and not prepared to attempt to promote the higher rate and that differential has continued with Rev Charles giving his numerical edict from time to time.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:23am
  - artemisia
    
    IIRC the higher number living wage mentioned, or similar, was for year 2 and used the original calcs. Suddenly the calc changed, as you say – chicken. Just one reason it is a rort IMO.
    
    Might be wrong but believe this is the first time the living wage has become mandatory in the private sector, though there are instances of taxpayer and ratepayer funded private sector suppliers required to pay it. When Wellington CC brought that in it was justified by saying the surplus in the HR budget would be used so no rates increase.
    
    Great stewardship of OPM.
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:39am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The Focus groups came up with the differences between Auckland and elsewhere.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:13am
      - artemisia
        
        In year 2 the original calculation was applied again but the result was deemed by the do gooders to be unacceptably high, so they charged the calculation.
        
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        November 27, 2020 4:24pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Politicians setting wages for non-Govt. employees. Communism 101!
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:43am
    - Flossie
      
      Have the government not always set a legal minimum wage?
      
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      November 27, 2020 10:25am
      - Crossing The Bar
        
        No
        
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        November 27, 2020 11:41am
      - Flossie
        
        Maybe “always” was the wrong wording. But the 1983 Act put it into law so it’s nothing new.
        
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        November 27, 2020 12:46pm
      - Nickc2
        
        I think you will find that these islander workers are to be paid more than their kiwi counterparts.
        
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        November 27, 2020 2:54pm
  - Scott
    
    KevO’Brien – far be it from me to criticise a fellow Christian but if Charles Waldegrave is serious then why stop at a living wage of $24 per hour? Why not make everyone rich by decreeing a minimum living wage of $50 per hour??
    
    What could possibly go wrong? 🙂
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:44am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Rev Charles was an expert on some social matters and he was chosen by the Living Wage promoters to provide the numbers. He wasn’t involved at the national political level but as an adviser to a union activist group. I don’t question his motives.
      We do have very good welfare provisions in this country already.
      
      Wages need to be contained not further pushed up. The Kirk/Rowling of 1972 let a wage/price spiral loose and I am seeing that being repeated. A govt can kill a country with kindness. We need to live within our productivity. Borrowing is not prosperity.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:23am
- amospicton
  
  If higher wages genuinely has no impact on employment levels as the govt suggests then they have found the economic perpetual motion machine. Let’s make the minimum wage $50, wait, why not $100 if there’s no downside? They’ll argue that’s just being silly but at what point does “it has no impact” become “silly”?
  
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  November 27, 2020 12:25pm
- herb1
  
  The Government seem to be breaking their own employment laws by requiring employers pay a higher rate to foreign employees than they are required to domestic ones.
  
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  November 27, 2020 1:11pm
Romney

This is not stupidity. It’s a terrifying case of nihilism and alienation.

What kind of society is so stupid as to produce such conditions in its young men?
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November 27, 2020 8:15am
- IC5000
  
  I wondered that when I watched a Proud Boys initiation ceremony on YouTube
  
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  November 27, 2020 3:17pm
Maggie Pie

Watched JC’s speech in the A&R Debates yesterday.
Really enjoyed her delivery and cutting sense of humor.
Thought ‘Deputy Shane’ could have been a tad more animated though. No smiling, no nodding, no clapping. Came across to me like he may have had a personality bypass at birth.
The thing about Paula, you could tell her batteries were always on full charge

Just saying.
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November 27, 2020 8:15am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I thought the Eritrean MP came across v well and was proud to be there and none of the : here is what is wrong with NZ” crap we get from the Green Immigrants
  
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  November 27, 2020 8:51am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    As I posted on GD yesterday…. he’s one worth watching.
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:06am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      It was your post that made me look up his speech.
      
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      November 27, 2020 9:15am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    “I was doing 80 hours a week. Ten years ago all I did was clean, clean, clean, day and night.”
    
    The lesson here is that poverty, racism, and a shitty upbringing didn’t actually stop him once he chose to make an effort. Not being from here and lacking awareness of NZ culture, it probably never occurred to him to just sit on his arse and complain about ‘inequality’.
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:39am
    - Crossing The Bar
      
      Inequality is inherent throughout all of nature, so legislating or using blunt force to achieve it will always fail.
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Here’s his Maiden Speech:
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/my-name-is-ibrahim-omer
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:54am
    - Jack5
      
      The poor Eritrean people, who are a mix of Muslims and Coptic Christians, get a hell of a time. This is from the CIA World Factbook:
      
      In the last few years, Eritreans have increasingly been trafficked and held hostage by Bedouins in the Sinai Desert, where they are victims of organ harvesting, rape, extortion, and torture. Some Eritrean trafficking victims are kidnapped after being smuggled to Sudan or Ethiopia, while others are kidnapped from within or around refugee camps or crossing Eritrea’s borders. Eritreans composed approximately 90% of the conservatively estimated 25,000-30,000 victims of Sinai trafficking from 2009-2013, according to a 2013 consultancy firm report.
      
      Omer’s Saho language is also spoken in the Tigray region of Ethiopia, and Tigray is right now being worked over by the Ethiopian military.
      
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      November 27, 2020 2:19pm
- Catgurl13
  
  I just watched the Judith part of the speeches and she was awesome. Then Jacinda came on and I watched 30 seconds and had to cut it off. Couldn’t bring myself to watch any more of her woke word soup.
  
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  November 27, 2020 8:59am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “Couldn’t bring myself to watch any more of her woke word soup.”
    
    And its a soup with very little substance. Its mostly filler, and inedible. Ardern, Woods, and Curran, to name 3 as start, have an ability to take nothing and make if fill paragraphs. Both in public and in the house. Double negatives, promises not commitments, need to do this, need to do that, gunna do this, gunna do that.
    
    If you were lucky enough to find a pea in the soup “pea” might have been mis-spelt.
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:58am
Don Beckett

Happy St, Fergill feast day. (Irish saint from 7th century).
Not a demi-god 🙂
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November 27, 2020 8:15am
- muppeth8r
  
  🙂 you take away the only job and only thing milky has.
  
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  November 27, 2020 8:27am
  - sooty
    
    I really don’t mind if he goes off in a huff!
    
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    November 27, 2020 12:44pm
    - muppeth8r
      
      Same, I find it halarious.
      poor guy has probably gone to the police about it now.
      
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      November 27, 2020 3:58pm
Paulus

Thank goodness, I heard Ardern say in Parliament that National are responsible for the Housing Crises.
Then when called out by Collins, Ardern said that she would not be lectured on housing by her.
Well blow me down – we all know that Ardern is exceptional – she should win Mastermind too !
She is getting beside herself with self grandeurment.
Sadly she will come a cropper soon at this rate – she obviously is so important that she will not allow parliamentary comment.
She will avoid Parliament if she can more now that Collins is her bete noir waiting for her.
I know it is very early in this Parliament but am getting the feeling that the Government is not getting control as it expected too.
Will watch closely as more Ministers and Departments stuff up. as they are seeming to do.
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November 27, 2020 8:18am
- pdm
  
  `Will watch closely as more Ministers and Departments stuff up. as they are seeming to do.’
  
  Already territorial in fighting between cuzzie bros Davis and Henare and the games haven’t even really begun yet.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  Ardern has created a culture of deflecting blame. Once senior civil servants have been thrown under the bus too many times they start to fight back. They are human, after all. And they are typically smarter than Ardern at al. The have loads damaging intel at their fingertips. A leak here, a timely bit of disinformation there… and then sit back to luxuriate in the trauma created.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:08am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It will be fun when NZ goes under Lockdown-Extenso to reduce our climate impact on the world.
  
  We are going to have to consider how to lock down rogue incompetent “leaders”.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:27am
  - sooty
    
    How can she go tripping in a lockdown?
    
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    November 27, 2020 12:46pm
    - muppeth8r
      
      same way all the US govenors do, the rules are for thee and not for me.
      
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      November 27, 2020 4:00pm
- Isobar
  
  To be fair every government in the last 20 years has responsibility for the position we are now in. It’s not Labours fault, it’s not nationals fault. It is what it is because of successive governments incentivizing housing investment and making it difficult to built new houses.
  
  Sniping from both sides wont get houses built. Both parties need to put away their pride, pull the heads in and work together on a bi-partisan solution.
  
  I am really getting tired of this pointless blame game when both sides are equally guilty.
  
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  November 27, 2020 10:26am
  - Ehlana
    
    To be fair to our political parties, their positions reflect electors choices – by voting against more houses (to preserve the neighbourhood, green space, compact city form, etc.) we choose restricted supply which leads to higher prices.
    Change will happen when the majority of voters want it enough to be willing to make the sacrifices required.
    
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    November 27, 2020 12:19pm
niggly

So we have a Maori Party that aggressively speaks its mind and calls out the Speaker when they feel they have been slighted (and look how much media coverage has been generated for them)!

We have a Green Party not formally part of the Govt so are free to criticise Labour whenever they wish to (and look at their more radical newbies – they will be feeling “slighted” on a regular basis and won’t hold back)!

And we have some minor dissent within Labour spilling out into the public arena (Henare v Davis).

Oh and we have a MSM that is somewhat more openly critical of the Government at times (for example is calling out the PM’s talk of “promises” versus the lack of action).

Looks like the Prime Minister and Labour will be in for a much rougher time over the next three years.

Will this make or break Jacinda Ardern (in terms of dealing with these “distractions” … when all she ever wanted was a quiet life and supposedly “not the leadership” … look at what she has to manage now!

I kind of wonder whether the PM and Labour will wistfully look back at the 2017-2020 years – at least dealing with the National and ACT parties at the time seemed a lot more “normal” and a lot less stressful!
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November 27, 2020 8:22am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Ardern & Co. broke it, now they own it. Wholesale and retail. They are dragging us down with them, but they will still be down. I am polishing my Schadenfreude kit to a brilliant shine, in anticipation of much more to come.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:09am
  - niggly
    
    Heh, well put! I feel it’s time to resume buying popcorn by the box load again to watch the implosions!
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:31am
- Catgurl13
  
  Those two Maori party MPs came off as rude and stupid marching out like that. In reality most people in Parliament wouldn’t be about to understand their Maori nonsense anyway. They will be spending more time out of Parliament than in it if they keep that up. They nothing but attention seeking idiots.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:41am
  - Jack5
    
    The cowboy hat was entertaining.
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:58am
    - oldfella
      
      What’s the rule on headgear in the chamber? I assume turbans or Muslim headscarves would be okay as they have a religious significance.
      But cowboy hats and top hats? Maori clown show!
      
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      November 27, 2020 10:54am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    If Parliament was fancy dress, I’m sure they would have won first and second prize.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:16am
- muppeth8r
  
  carefull what you wish for.
  as much as I want cindy to disapear I want it to be an election defeat that does it, shes ruled out many bad things “under her leadership” CGT etc so removing her early could give a new leader free reign to enact them.
  
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  November 27, 2020 4:04pm
JibberJabber

Cactus Kate for PM.
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2020/11/mallard-deals-to-maori-party-clowns-at.html?spref=tw
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November 27, 2020 8:26am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We have walked out of the House to enable us to talk directly to our people about our vision and kaupapa as Te Pāti Māori,” she said.
  
  “Te Pāti Māori” Careful with transliterations. This one is stolen from English. Does it also mean The bloody.. , that fits too.
  
  Who were those clowns in our former Parliament?
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:33am
- IC5000
  
  Agreed. National might have a chance in 2029 after she leaves.
  
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  November 27, 2020 7:25pm
Maggie Pie

Heard the Hosk say this morning “…. 79% of Donkeys now believe they were robbed. Even 49% of Elephants believe the counts were fraudulent”.

I see again this morning, Pres Trump himself is calling it 100% RIGGED.

https://twitter.com/RWTrollPatrol/status/1331990141464788993
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November 27, 2020 8:31am
- JackRabbit
  
  And so it was.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:20am
- Flossie
  
  I’m a bit confused….aren’t the Republicans elephants, and Democrats donkeys?
  
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  November 27, 2020 10:34am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    With a message from Hosking repeated by Maggie some, er, static, might be inevitable.
    
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    November 27, 2020 1:19pm
Swifty

When parrots get angry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM8aBESf8EI

Caution bad parrot language.

🙂
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November 27, 2020 8:35am
- flash2846
  
  That’s weird, a down tick for this.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:17am
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks but who cares – don’t give it any thought.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:10am
    - Don Beckett
      
      That was hilarious. Even parrots know when people are being dickheads, and the parrot let’s him know exactly how he feels. 😆
      
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      November 27, 2020 7:32pm
Engelbert Humperdink

Why do foreign cricketers get to block isolation facilities / monopolize isolation staff time, when New Zealanders can’t book a place to reunite with their family members who are sick and / or dying?

That is not kind. At all.
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November 27, 2020 8:59am
- sooty
  
  Deportee! Sounds good!
  Save the 5 million kiwis, export them!
  
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  November 27, 2020 12:54pm
- muppeth8r
  
  not to mention the push to get a few sport stars fast tracked through to get home in time for xmas.
  seems some folk are certainly more equal then others.
  
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  November 27, 2020 4:07pm
Positan

How low are we going to allow parliamentary standards to sink?
(1) To allow such a racist nonsense as “the Maori Party” to hold seats is bad enough – but Rawiri Waititi’s hat-wearing inside the Chamber, his approach to the taking of the oath when he added his own blandishments, and then his storming out of parliament over his disagreement with the Speaker are all disgraceful instances that once would have been utterly intolerable. He should be removed from “office” forthwith.
(2) Now, Mallard proposes to lower parliamentary dress standards by allowing the not-wearing of ties. All I can say is that formal dress commands respect and is necessary to present the dignity and status of office. Just look at what low-grade wallies our Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner of Police appear to be whenever they appear “tie-less” on TV. Their images do absolutely nothing to command respect for the positions they supposedly hold.
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November 27, 2020 8:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Replace them all with 15 year olds on secondment from school on a wage of $4/hour with an extra dollar/hour for expenses.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:36am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If there were any connection between what is around their neck and the quality of what comes out their mouths, I expect we would have noticed it long before now.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:42am
- Unity
  
  Waititi looks like a real troublemaker. I just wish Mallard would come down really hard on him and insist he respects protocols. As for him wearing a hat in the Chamber – it obviously points to his very poor upbringing where it’s even rude to wear a hat in the house. I find I can’t even look at him because all I see are worms crawling all over his face. He seems to be reverting back to the Stone Age whereas most decent people look forward. I can see difficult times ahead courtesy of the Maori Party at least.
  
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  November 27, 2020 12:28pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  And those ridiculous wigs must go too.
  
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  November 27, 2020 1:20pm
krazykiwi

An appeals court in Portugal has ruled that the PCR process is not a reliable test for Sars-Cov-2, and therefore any enforced quarantine based on those test results is unlawful.

Further, the ruling suggested that any forced quarantine applied to healthy people could be a violation of their fundamental right to liberty.

Most importantly, the judges ruled that a single positive PCR test cannot be used as an effective diagnosis of infection.
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In their ruling, judges Margarida Ramos de Almeida and Ana Paramés referred to several scientific studies. Most notably this study by Jaafar et al., which found that – when running PCR tests with 35 cycles or more – the accuracy dropped to 3%, meaning up to 97% of positive results could be false positives.
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November 27, 2020 9:01am
- fernglas
  
  If 97% of positives are false positives then only 3% are correct. Does this mean that false positives occur in 97% of tests? Or is it the case that it is only where people test positive? If so, there have been a number of positives recorded in managed isolation. Are we to accept that up to 97% of them are false positives? Up to how many cycles does New Zealand test? And finally, does the rate of false negatives match that of false positives?
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:15am
  - Bullion
    
    From the MoH website:
    
    The accuracy of test results
    
    The viral test for COVID-19 is accurate when taken in ideal conditions. A recent laboratory study found that different COVID-19 testing kits correctly detected COVID-19 in samples more than 95% (and frequently 100%) of the time. When tests were done on samples without the virus, the tests correctly gave a negative result 96% of the time.
    
    Read more about the study on the accuracy of different COVID-19 testing kits.
    https://www.finddx.org/covid-19/sarscov2-eval-molecular/molecular-eval-results/
    
    But it is important to remember that tests don’t work as well in the real world. No viral test is 100% accurate. In real-world use, the viral test for COVID-19 is not 100% ‘sensitive’ (meaning able to correctly identify people with the disease all of the time). This means that if 100 people who have the disease are tested – some will have a negative result (i.e. a false negative result).
    
    Reasons for a false negative test result could be because:
    
    the sample was taken at the wrong time (too early or too late)
    the swab did not pick up any pieces of the virus, or
    the sample of mucus (or liquid from the lungs) wasn’t big enough.
    
    This means that it is very important to isolate yourself if a health professional asks you to, even if your test result is negative.
    
    The viral test for COVID-19 is much better at correctly identifying people who don’t have COVID-19 (this is known as a higher ‘specificity’). We expect very few (if any) false positive test results (a false positive being a positive test result for someone who does not have the disease).
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/assessment-and-testing-covid-19/covid-19-test-results-and-their-accuracy#accuracy
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:55am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Reasons for a false negative test result could be because ….
      
      … Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) was never designed to detect a virus. The technique was invented in 1985 by Kary B. Mullis, allowed scientists to make millions of copies of a scarce sample of DNA.
      
      The Covid-19 PCR tests are technically RT-PCR tests, where RT = Reverse Transcription, and the inventor of this technique admitted earlier this year that the technique is not reliable.
      
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      November 27, 2020 12:10pm
  - covfefe
    
    We have done thousands and thousands of tests in the past few months and have not had any unexpected positives. If there is an issue with FPs in NZ labs we would know about it (or at least, I would).
    
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    November 27, 2020 1:56pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I would like to know how many cycles are run in PCR tests in New Zealand.
  
  The PCR test can’t tell you if the virus is whole (and functioning) or whether only fragments of its RNA have been detected in the sample.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:33am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I put in an OIA on that (PCR cycles) 2+ months ago. Crickets…
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:22am
    - Batman
      
      Go to the Ombudsman
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:46am
    - fernglas
      
      https://www.otago.ac.nz/biochemistry/research/otago736925.html
      This tells you it’s 45 cycles. Much easier to Google it than ask the Government to tell you!!
      
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      November 27, 2020 11:47am
      - covfefe
        
        It is not just a question of number of cycles run – as it is real time a curve is produced and the cut-off for positive is about 40-42 cycles – but does depend on shape of curve. PCR is a reliable technique, in the right hands, with the right interpretation. There are ‘cases’ who have been quarantined for too long (in my view) in NZ as they have been PCR positive weeks after initial infection diagnosed – with very high cycle numbers (around 40, 41), due to MoH anxiety. Not really based on science. Ability to culture has been used as surrogate for infectivity although it may under-call it – hard to know. Very uncommon to be able to culture where cycles > 34 or longer than nine days after onset of symptoms.
        
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        November 27, 2020 1:53pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Well outside any boundaries of significance. Twenty five iterations is a lot and that regarded as limit.
        
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        November 27, 2020 3:15pm
Clyde

Was it James Shaw who asked the Speaker to investigate whether the rule requiring all male MP’s to wear a tie should be relaxed? Who is going to ask the Speaker about the wearing of theatrical hats into the chamber? And the two perpetrators can’t even understand the standing orders. Mallard calls it grandstanding, I call it bringing democracy into disrepute.
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November 27, 2020 9:03am
I remember when

When will the employees at the publishing houses ever learn.
The censoring of books is best left to the consumer!
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November 27, 2020 9:10am
RoboRob

Labour and their media toadoes are now suggesting that one way of improving housing afforability is to increase the ‘bright line’ house sale period so that more people pay tax on the gain in value of a sale of a second house (capital gains tax).

Has anybody considered asking them how exactly how taxing more house sales with reduce the price of houses?

Seems to me that the most likely result would be a temporary reduction of house availability as potential sellers hold on to their homes for a few more years. Wouldn’t this, actually make the situation worse.

Love the way the media, economists and banks all just stay silent on this stuff. Another example of a ‘fix’ that actually makes the problem worse (Rental changes to make renters better off, rents up. Enviromental changes to reduce emissions, emisions up).
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November 27, 2020 9:14am
- Isobar
  
  Hard to say – if you say that this change comes into affect 12 months from now, then you incentivize people to sell up before the change comes into place, thus making more housing available on the market in the short term, which it seems is sorely needed.
  
  More supply also means prices are more controlled.
  
  However, this would only be a short term hit, a plan for the longer term needs to be in place too, which we have been waiting 20 years for a government to produce one so i wouldn’t hold my breath.
  
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  November 27, 2020 10:31am
- Bullion
  
  It depends on how it is taxed. Currently investing in housing has tax benefits relative to investing in say a business or a term deposit in a bank, some argue that balancing the tax burden between investment options would incentives more to invest in other areas not just housing.
  
  Personally, I think that is good idea – more fairness in the tax system, and can be made fairly tax neutral by reducing income tax and/or business tax to offset the revenue from a wealth tax on housing.
  
  Though, even with the benefits of investing in housing, the biggest driver of house pricing is supply.
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:07am
Nickc2

Yesterday, I saw Cindy walking into Parliament with a bunch of dead birds (roadkill) hanging around her neck. What’s the significance of that? I also saw some people wearing hats inside Parliament. Isn’t that bad manners? Why did the speaker not insist they remove same?
As a side issue, what’s with Maori’s wearing European/American headdress these days? Is it to replace the ‘Hoodie’ on formal occasions?
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November 27, 2020 9:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Cultural appropriation.
  We are going to have to get a refund of those excessive payment we made under an abandoned treaty. Maori have acquired a great deal more than we got them.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:40am
- Ruahine
  
  Cindy does love to dress up. My Grandchildren like to as well.
  
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  November 27, 2020 10:05am
- Flossie
  
  To okay the non-wearing of ties for male MPs is just going to be the thin end of the wedge. I can see standards (such as they are) already going downwards. The hats??? What was that about?
  New Zealanders who do not identify as Maori are quickly being drowned out and our language and traditions are being swept away in a wave of PC nonsense.
  
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  November 27, 2020 10:53am
- BananaLlama
  
  Looked like a Victorian era cosplay club. They live in the past and will be left behind.
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:03am
- Batman
  
  Very honest of you to just openly show us your outright racist views, Nick.
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:47am
  - IC5000
    
    Waaah white nationalism is not white supremacy
    
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    November 27, 2020 3:19pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Batman, you are displaying your normal arrogance of things that are beyond your comprehension. I can extract the urine out of Maori because I am a descendant of the Ngati Ngabush tribe who once roamed what is currently known as the Kipra. I suggest you extract your hands from your undies and pay more attention to Bobin.
    
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    November 27, 2020 9:25pm
Exclamation Mark

I went to the All Star Celeb Slam basketball game in Auckland last night – It was a fund raiser for Starship hospital.

I would highly recommend this a s great night out for all the family if they do it again next year.

David Seymour was a bloody legend and pretty much score the winning goal for his team, much to the crowd’s delight. Chloe Swabrick was on the opposing team and it was nice to see them hamming it up together during the game and share a genuine hug at the end.

Hats of to Guy Williams, I haven’t thought much of him over the past couple of years but he is clearly a good basketballer and his playing was very entertaining.
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November 27, 2020 9:15am
- Libertarians are right
  
  There is also now video evidence of Guy Williams hugging David Seymour. We should never let him live that down.
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:04am
I remember when

Investors have had 10 years of cheap money much of which has been invested in the stock exchange or on property.
Investment Bank Societe General measurements show 50% of S&P 500 and 57% of the Nasdaq’s current value is due to ‘easy’ money.
They suggest that artificially low interest and the trillions created by the Feds mean US markets should be 50% lower than they are.
There is concern about how great the impact will be once interest rates start rising.
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November 27, 2020 9:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  No, the money sloshing around will always be rehomed. Price levels have to change with money supply so the stock market will move accordingly. Even speculative side deals are impacted.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:42am
Maggie Pie

Random Impertinent Question.

How much credence can you have in someone who claims one of their attributes was working 80 hours per week as a Cleaner?

Just saying.
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November 27, 2020 9:17am
- kowtow
  
  Or the woman dressed up with the Steampunk hat.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m more than willing to give the time of day to someone who is prepared to work hard for themselves and their family.
  
  Still, I may be biased, being the daughter of a chap who wasn’t too proud to clean dunnies and make the evening tea for a bunch of Freezing Workers in his retirement.
  
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  November 27, 2020 9:53am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hear what you’re saying there Maggs.
    Soon as my partner gets up I’m going to show him your comment.
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:10am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Back when I was working 2 jobs after lectures finished for the day, I was in show business. I cleaned toilets at the TVNZ studios 🙂
    
    My other ‘gig’ I believe it is now called, was in not-quite-haute cuisine. I made Jellytips (along with a team of 8) at the TipTop factory…
    
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    November 27, 2020 10:26am
    - sooty
      
      I hope you washed your hands before making jellytips!
      
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      November 27, 2020 1:00pm
Albert_Ross

Bah! I’ve already had a couple of minor irritations this morning and now here’s another one – an article by Rosemary McLeod which actually has some good points in it. Normally I would respond to her articles by informing Kiwibloggers that she is utterly, utterly stupid, but on this occasion, by being only partially stupid, she deprives me of even that little satisfaction. Bah, I say and again I say, bah.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/123516167/im-searching-in-vain-for-a-sense-of-outrage-over-wellington-mayor-andy-foster
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November 27, 2020 9:29am
dave_c_

For those who may have an interest in understanding the whole end-to-end Covid 19 thing (read ‘scam/planned’), I found the following link very instructional.
https://humansarefree.com/2020/09/proof-covid-19-planned-new-world-order.html
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November 27, 2020 9:32am
Catgurl13

How is it fair that a NZ Citizen person born here who is early 50s, who has been living out of NZ for most of their life never working here, able to just come back and have free quarantine on us, go straight on the DPB and the public housing list having paid nothing into our tax system. Amazing that we now have to pay for her life on return, seeing she hasn’t even worked in this country. She applied for her tax number and the DPB all at the same time.We will also then be paying her pension. Amazing.
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November 27, 2020 9:36am
- Ian Boag
  
  We have plenty of people on the pension who have made minimal tax payments through their lifetime.
  
  There is no such thing as the DPB any more. And it’s not obvious how a woman in her 50’s could be collecting a solo parent type benefit. Good luck with the public housing list …..
  
  But yeah I get the drift. Open to suggestions about how the rules could be changed …..
  
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  December 27, 2019 12:26pm
  - Catgurl13
    
    She has 10 year old child and she would be collecting the sole parents bene for sure. At least our seniors have actually paid tax working here. You sound like some little lefty.
    
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    November 27, 2020 2:31pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      our seniors have actually paid tax working here
      
      You don’t have to have paid tax to get the pension. All you need is to have a pulse, citizenship/residency and live here for the 10 years before. Do you think there should be a “pay tax” requirement ?
      
      I’m more interested in issues than people, so I won’t bother to spout off about what you sound like.
      
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      November 27, 2020 3:23pm
      - Flossie
        
        If you’ve lived in a country that pays an age pension you are required by NZ to apply for that pension, and any difference to what the nz pension is, is made up by msd here. Whatever the other country pays you will never end up with more than any other NZ pensioner receives.
        This is true for NZ citizens anyway.
        
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        November 27, 2020 4:00pm
- Bob
  
  The joys of socialism/communism
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:58am
jacob

More classic poetry from Chris Trotter

http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-second-term-with-apologies-to.html?m=1
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November 27, 2020 9:48am
Jack5

Transgenders are the step too far for many of the Woke.

Well known Leftist feminist journalist Suzanne Moore throws in the towel at the Guardian. A sample:

“My fear is not about trans people but an ideology that means the erasure of women — not just the word, but of our ability to name our experience. We are now ‘cervix-havers’, ‘birthing parents’, ‘people who menstruate’.”

Moore cuts loose:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8987293/SUZANNE-MOORE-writes-riposte-bullied-job-unwoke-views-trans-rights.html
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November 27, 2020 10:01am
I remember when

If the migrant horticultural workers are coming then the minimum wage of $18.90 or $20.00 (2021) must be enough to attract them.
Why then do we need to reduce the horticulture income by 16.9% or 10.5% by paying the living wage.
Migrants workers are a ‘win win’ for both the country they live in and us.
Why increase our debit.
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November 27, 2020 10:04am
- Jack5
  
  Cheap Asian labour is helping propel New Zealand towards being a Third World country.
  
  It’s the wrong approach: it encourages capital and efforts towards cheap-labour industry rather than driving towards increased productivity, and NZ’s productivity performance is abysmal.
  
  We are now down to 48th in the world in GDP per capita, and slipping.
  
  NZ horticulturists to be praised are those who, jointly with American technology researchers, are developing robot picking. That’s the way to go.
  
  Cheap seasonal foreign labour in NZ began at the behest of a UN bureaucrat who saw it as a form of foreign aid. It has steadily broadened from fruit pickers to now meat workers. All the while, NZ skills and semi-skills training has stagnated.
  
  Horticulture and agriculture reliant on cheap Asian , Melanesian, and Polynesian labour parallel backpacker tourism: bottom of the market and, for the country as a whole, downwardly mobile.
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:17am
  - Bob
    
    all the while that able bodies kiwis sit at home enjoying a welfare funded lifestyle that requires no effort on their part.
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:57am
    - sooty
      
      Kiwi Pickers!
      
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      November 27, 2020 1:03pm
    - artemisia
      
      The other side of the coin is that employers don’t want them. After a while on benefit quite a lot of people sink into an inability to act effectively in their own behalf. Or anyone else’s behalf.
      
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      November 27, 2020 1:19pm
  - artemisia
    
    New Zealand is well advanced in some aspects of robots in horticulture. Kiwifruit picking for example, but price is probably a barrier for the moment.
    
    We already export apple inspection and packing robotics. That is very labour intensive and has to be a dying job opportunity. Unless you are a robot of course.
    
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    November 27, 2020 1:24pm
Swifty

As recently as yesterday we have been down in the weeds talking about the length of parliamentary terms, lowering the voting age, coat-tailing rules and thresholds etc etc.

We have been doing this while many issues of vastly greater importance seem seldom or never discussed. At all.

We have massive scientific challenges to face, economic challenges, challenges and risks to our freedoms; massive challenges around violence in our homes and streets and, as we’ve seen recently, great challenges in even adequately educating large swathes of our young. This latter issue of course has been growing seemingly out of control for the last forty or fifty years and it seems no amount of throwing money at it or union feather-bedding has been able to arrest this growth.

So, my question is – what are the things we could undertake which would maximise the calibre of our parliamentarians? How will we ensure we have New Zealand’s absolute best and brightest helping us to overcome these challenges as a nation? Just look at our current system of political parties, party favourites, non-directly elected list MPs and, it seems, the rapidly increasing proportion of our MPs who are single-issue ‘activists’ or who proclaim they are in our parliament purely to exclusively ‘represent their community” – whether that be ‘rainbow’, ‘immigrants’, ‘refugees’, Maori, etc etc.

And one might well ask ‘What about the rest of us?’ or ‘I thought MPs are there to represent ALL NZers and ALL their interests’.

I look at the behaviour of our parliamentarians over many years, and again very recently with the opening of our new parliament and ask are these really the best and brightest we have to tackle and overcome the great challenges we face as a nation?

Are these the people capable of thinking strategically about New Zealand’s future in and for the decades to come? Or are they only capable of thinking and working tactically or operationally so that the strategic considerations are never addressed i.e. we’re constantly down in the weeds?

As a small aside, I notice going through the histories of many of our new crop of MPs that some of them have called for the end of capitalism and the creation of a ‘socialist society’. (You’ll note that they never define what it is they exactly mean about that.) The young gay Mexican bloke is a good case in point. He and others like him remind me of Kant’s dove:

“The light dove, in free flight cutting through the air the resistance of which it feels, could get the idea that it could do even better in airless space.”

Substitute socialist for dove and free enterprise for air resistance and you’ll get the picture – air resistance, the very thing that keeps the dove aloft, is the one thing that the dove could think is holding it back.

I believe young Ricardo, in his ignorance, is Kant’s dove.
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November 27, 2020 10:04am
- Ruahine
  
  You are too kind. I love the sentiment though.
  Too me they are just the usual crowd of bludging nobodies that have crawled their way onto a gravy train known as MMP.
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:17am
  - Swifty
    
    If that’s the case then it’s time we put a stop to it then.
    
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    November 27, 2020 12:38pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Ivermectin (which those who have followed Covid crisis closely have known was efficacious since May), has now been proven in many many studies to reduce risk by about 80%, bringing covid back to similar danger level as flu (~0.1% IFR):
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1331906850460209152/photo/1

We have vaccines on the way as well, so overall (if medical community just follow published protocols for treatment using drugs that are known to work) the Covid crisis is nearly over.
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November 27, 2020 10:20am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  I hate to disabuse you of this notion that Coroncorruption is nearly over. It hasn’t started yet.
  
  It’s NOT communism. Communism is where the workers keep the fruits of their labour (without the nobles and hangers-on stealing the fruits of their work).
  
  WE A FACING THE NIGHTMARE OF BUREAUCRATIC PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC FASCISM!!!
  
  And the people LOVE it ?
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:13am
I remember when

The US Presidential election draws attention to something we seem to take for granted.
In both New Zealand and the US certain results seem to be taken for granted.
a: The unregistered voter will vote for the left.
b. Once registered the voter will cast any early vote.
c. The overseas vote has been canvassed by the left and will vote for them.
Should there be concern that Party’s are heavily involved in the registration of voters?
Perhaps, another question is what effect does the education system have on the first time voter’s choice?
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November 27, 2020 10:24am
- SB2
  
  Just to reassure you in voting politics there are a lot of nut trending conspiracy theorists. Sidney Powell at the ,moment leading the pack ,
  
  Conspiracy theorist Trump lawyer Sidney Powell sues in Georgia and Michigan with error-filled ‘Kraken’ suits
  
  Ms Powell posted links to the legal documents on her website with the words, ‘The Kraken is released on Georgia!’ and ‘The Kraken is released on Michigan!’
  
  Attorney Sidney Powell, now distanced from the president’s legal team after sharing bizarre claims about election fraud, filed lawsuits on Wednesday in Michigan and Georgia.
  
  Her complaints, which allege election fraud, are conspicuously riddled with misspelled words, garbled sentences, and formatting issues.
  
  The Georgia filing comes several days after the state certified its election results following a hand recount of all 5 million ballots cast. Another recount requested by the Trump campaign is now underway in Georgia and will be concluded by 2 December. It is considered highly unlikely to change the result….”
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lawyer-sidney-powell-georgia-lawsuit-b1762391.html
  
   
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:07am
  - fernglas
    
    It was obviously done in haste, so one must excuse the odd typo. The absence of factual content is another matter.
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:25am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I found it a delight to read. There are presentations on several issues each one of which could be sufficient.
      I suspect the required reading level is beyond lefty ideologues.
      
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      November 27, 2020 3:25pm
- MCos
  
  “The unregistered voter will vote for the left.”
  
  Voters are ‘enrolled’ in NZ and, of course they can’t vote until they are, which can happen immediately prior to voting. They then become special votes that are counted after polling day.
  Special votes also include overseas votes (about 15% this year) and those cast by people not in their electorate. Generally they favour Lab/Greens.
  BTW
  When I lived overseas nobody canvassed my vote. For that matter nobody has canvassed my vote at a personal level in NZ – ever, except Labour at the Avondale Market.
  
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  November 27, 2020 4:04pm
Swifty

Shoaib Akhtar warns NZ Cricket to behave:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/123527207/pakistan-great-shoaib-akhtar-warns-new-zealand-cricket-to-behave-yourself-over-tour-threats

“I want to give a message to New Zealand board (NZC) that this is not a club team, it’s Pakistan national cricket team,” he said.

‘We don’t need you. Our cricket has not finished.

“You will get the broadcasting rights money. So, you should be indebted to us that we decided to tour your country in such difficult times.

”You are talking about Pakistan – the greatest country on the planet – so behave yourself and stop giving such statement. Be careful next time.”

Pakistan is the greatest country on the planet? Hahahahaha!

Delusional. What, is he running for parliament?
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November 27, 2020 10:51am
- Batman
  
  Bluster for the home audience surely!
  
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  November 27, 2020 10:56am
  - Swifty
    
    Undoubtedly.
    
    Doesn’t stop him coming across like a great big knob though.
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:08am
  - Frank the tank
    
    He’s got a point – when it comes to cricket we are the pimple on the world’s arsehole. Quinicentral price takers.
    
    If you remove B grade teams like Pakistan, Worst Indies and Sri Lanka who then travels here? Certainly not the Aussies, Poms or Indians as we are financially irrelevant. Want to play Fiji and the Cook Islands in cricket?
    
    The holier than thou approach we have taken with covid will rub a lot of people the wrong way. We’ve already lost the rugby and the tennis – do we want to add international cricket to that list?
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:29am
    - Swifty
      
      Fair points Frank, but let’s not lose sight of the fact that all we’re asking is for them to abide by the rules THEY AGREED to abide with.
      
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      November 27, 2020 12:16pm
      - sooty
        
        Send them back!
        
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        November 27, 2020 1:04pm
      - Frank the tank
        
        Who knows what they agreed with point is if the Blairite and St Ash make life impossible for touring sports teams then they’ll all rather loudly tell us to fuck off
        
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        November 28, 2020 6:36am
- BananaLlama
  
  Arguing over money from broadcasting rights. Hard times for sports.
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:00am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Pakistan Greatest country on the Planet!!!!!
  
  A country owned by the Army, in hock to the PRC, an exporter of terrorism and home to thousand of Madrassas where they learn the Koran by heart and that is all.
  
  It is a hotbed of areas that want to leave like Baluchistan, NW Frontier Province.
  
  I bet te locals would love the Brits back.
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:03am
  - Jack5
    
    And the handful of Pakistani Christians who still haven’t been imprisoned or burned to death would welcome the Brits back, too.
    
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    November 27, 2020 11:19am
- Ruahine
  
  China does it to the government why not Pakistan. It is only NZ Cricket.
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:11am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Remember, this is Shoaib Chucktar we’re talking about. The rules never applied to him when he played so why would he expect the rules to apply to his countrymen now?
  
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  November 27, 2020 1:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

MOAB – Sidney Powell.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=835442213871775
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November 27, 2020 10:57am
- SB2
  
  From your fb link ,
  
  Proud American Chump,
  
  https://www.facebook.com/watch/mmisjuns/
  
  LOL
  
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  November 27, 2020 11:12am
Maggie Pie

Fab to see ‘Rodney Hide’ back commenting here today!
So missed him again this year, standing out on Remuera Rd, yellow jacket, flashing his sign about. He used to single me out for special attention. Always ready with a point and a wave when i gave him a quick toot in the silver Porsche.
Disappointed we never see David keeping up the ACT tradition?
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November 27, 2020 11:12am
- mikenmildagain
  
  …Rodney Hide…So missed him… standing out…flashing his…used to single me out for special attention. Always ready with a…when i gave him a quick…
  
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  November 27, 2020 1:26pm
  - IC5000
    
    No accounting for people tastes I guess. Never figured Hide as a gilf chaser.
    
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    November 27, 2020 3:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Coming to NZ as well.
https://babylonbee.com/news/how-to-survive-the-coming-socialist-regime/?
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November 27, 2020 11:36am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING ON TWITTER…..

‘FUCKING’ considers name change.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1332073141061947399
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November 27, 2020 11:48am
- JackRabbit
  
  That one was visited by Jeremy Clarkson and Co on “The Grand Tour”, along with several others.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLXe2WTYngQ
  
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  November 27, 2020 1:10pm
I remember when

One for all the turkeys.
US Thanksgiving dinner cost down 4% according to a survey by American Farm Bureau Federation.
This year’s Thanksgiving feast for 10 has an average cost of $46-90, less than $5 per person.
This is a decrease of $2.01 from last year.
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November 27, 2020 11:48am
oldfella

A good piece today on the ‘Point Of Order NZ’ blog. “The case for putting stability and security above other factors when deciding a child’s best interests (and they are colour-blind)”
https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2020/11/26/the-case-for-putting-stability-and-security-above-other-factors-when-deciding-a-childs-best-interests-and-they-are-colour-blind/#more-8528
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November 27, 2020 11:59am
I remember when

A lot of confidence is put in the use of Family Conferences to solve the problems of Oranga Tamariki.
If Family Conferences are the answer then is it the timing that is the problem.
Why do Family Conferences always seem to happen after the problem has ‘spiraled out of control’.
Do the problems suddenly appear out of nowhere. Is it not possible to see where things are heading. Or, does nobody want to get involved until there is a ‘real’ problem.
Surely, if Family Conferences have a meaningful effect, they should be happening before things are no longer acceptable.
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November 27, 2020 12:08pm
Fletch

The election and the “vote spike”…

https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/definitive-case-proves-donald-trump-won-election/
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November 27, 2020 12:24pm
sooty

Why did all of labours mp’s wear the priest shawl around their necks yesterday at parliment opening? Everyone except cindy with her feather cloak!
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November 27, 2020 12:34pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/123525318/black-caps-west-indies-agree-to-take-a-knee-in-support-of-black-lives-matter
If the Black Caps do this I will never watch or listen to any NZ cricket ever again.
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November 27, 2020 12:54pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  NO!! Well I hope they get their white asses kicked!!!
  
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  November 27, 2020 1:01pm
- Sigmund Freud
  
  I think it’s great to see white cricketing guys cry like babies over criminal black folk whilst for their innocent victims the same white cricketers aren’t manly enough to defend like men.
  
  /utter contempt
  
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  November 27, 2020 1:22pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  That’ll teach them…
  Hopefully they will read this blog and take cognizance of your threat.
  
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  November 27, 2020 1:27pm
Paulus Gnome

Black Caps ‘taking the knee’ before starting play tonight.

Fuck the Black Caps.

Capitulating virtue signalers wankers ruining the game.
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November 27, 2020 1:07pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  If it is before play, how will it ruin the game?
  
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  November 27, 2020 1:28pm
- alex Masterley
  
  PG,
  Can’t disagree with any of the sentiments expressed.
  Woke dickheads the lot of them.
  
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  November 27, 2020 1:37pm
- cmm
  
  Other question: are thy going to sanitize their hands every time they touch the ball?
  
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  November 27, 2020 1:58pm
- JerJer
  
  …and while we are at it, since the All Blanks are losing all the time, can we please blame it on systematic racism…
  
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  November 27, 2020 2:13pm
- Inandout
  
  PG, as one radio caller said, if the team want to get all virtuous why not call it ‘Baby’s Lives Matter’ to make a real statement about our appalling statistics.
  
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  November 27, 2020 4:24pm
Maggie Pie

AND, did you know that 5G was first switched on in Wuhan, China.

Now where did that virus come from?

Coincidence…..hmmm
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November 27, 2020 1:14pm
- Jack5
  
  Nice try, Maggie, but Shenzhen (population 12.5 million) is the first city in China with full 5G coverage. This has taken the installation of 46,480 5G base stations.
  
  To be fair, Hubei, the province in which Wuhan is situated, was early in China’s 5G roll-out.
  
  https://www.rcrwireless.com/20200819/5g/shenzhen-becomes-first-chinese-city-full-5g-coverage
  
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  November 27, 2020 3:59pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

There have been many mainstream pieces over the last 10-15 years on extreme vulnerability of voting machines to exploits (though media tend to go silent when left are winning). Here is a cyber security company owner who has, off his own bat, spent the last 2 years and >$1 million diving into and researching the ease with which voting results can be altered both locally as well as remotely/centrally on various US voting machines. As he said he could have easily decided the result of the last indonesian presidential elections that used these same machines (implying he could do the same to USA). He’s tried to get US govt to investigate, and has been mostly ignored until a month back. His investigations pointed to a server farm in Frankfurt being a critical locus of control for these systems (and there has been talk of a raid on same recently). Really shocking stuff.
https://youtu.be/OF4i7PzScI4
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November 27, 2020 1:21pm
Maggie Pie

I’ll tell you something else that does my head in.
Have you noticed that sometimes when you’re the first here to post a new ‘Comment’, very often it’s the person replying who gets the most upticks and goes yellow.

SHEESH!
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November 27, 2020 1:53pm
- SB2
  
  A nudge especially for you. The Taycan Porsche Electric especilly for Hubby and you. In silver too and silent
  
  https://www.driven.co.nz/news/new-zealand-s-first-electric-supercar-porsche-taycan-pricing-revealed/
  
  An accessory app will be soon be made available to give that petrol head roar and splutter sound effects.
  
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  November 27, 2020 2:49pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Those sounds are very important.
    Electric cars are too dangerous as they are too quiet.
    We have far too many people that drive to the road rather than to the footpath. The only thing that saves pedestrians is timing and the sound of the car. Remove the sound and people will get hurt.
    
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    November 27, 2020 3:38pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      A very good friend of ours has the latest Tesla Model S
      He’s overcome that problem by employing a Signing Interpreter to sit in the passenger seat.
      
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      November 27, 2020 5:05pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Electric cars are too dangerous as they are too quiet.
      
      Yep,
      bit of a nightmare wandering around Oslo and Bergen…
      https://thedriven.io/2020/07/07/oslo-city-hits-new-milestone-most-electric-vehicles-per-capita/
      
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      November 27, 2020 5:48pm
      - Inandout
        
        Yes Maggy, but feel for those Scandies, their winters are so long the cars are often snowbound in their garages.
        
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        November 28, 2020 11:23am
- Prince
  
  Really ?
  
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  November 27, 2020 3:40pm
GazzaW

The South China Morning Pust has just announced that the PRC has applied a 212% tariff on Australian wines. Will NZ be next and if not will we kick the Aussies in the goolies and fill the gap with a few shiploads of Kiwi Sav and Pinot. That’s if we can get the grapes picked.
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November 27, 2020 2:56pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Many rich chinese buy top wine and mix it with coke cos they don’t like the flavour. They are ridiculously ostentatious.
  
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  November 27, 2020 3:46pm
  - Inandout
    
    UN, and even more strange they refuse to buy local food and import from Europe where they have tough laws covering horticultural sprays. Yet our supermarkets are happy to stock Chinese sourced food, and our $2 shops Chinese sweets.
    
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    November 28, 2020 11:28am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Z5RalP-60

Joe Biden’s horrible understanding of America’s friends and foes.

Trump hasn’t really deserted American allies. But he tends to understand that we are living in a changing world and the fact that your allies change with changing geo-strategic realities.
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November 27, 2020 3:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Might be time to get some decent masks and protective clothing to our front-line Covid-19 workers.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/123502043/covid19-how-many-border-workers-and-health-staff-have-been-infected
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November 27, 2020 3:17pm
- cmm
  
  Masks are just for show.
  
  You need the full space suit thing for proper protection.
  
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  November 27, 2020 3:20pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/UI8XlLVlYGs/

The Path to Conservative Victory.

Conservatives are having kids. Most of the kids staying
conservative. Liberals are either aborting their kids,
Or having less kids. There are some formidable
Problems to overcome. Trump may lose. It’s about
the longer term.
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November 27, 2020 3:18pm
Jack5

Good news, perhaps, for NZ folk who like Aussie red wine …

China has slapped tariffs of from 100 per cent to more than 207 per cent on imports of Australian wine. The tariffs apply from tomorrow.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-27/china-puts-tariffs-on-australian-wine-trade-tensions/12886700
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November 27, 2020 3:54pm
Maggie Pie

Had to pop into K’Rd to collect my New York Cheesecake.
Ended up sitting in Pitt Street for about 25 minutes, thanks to it being reduced to a single lane due to the utter shambles created by Goff’s $10B toy railway. What a joke!!
Watched a few of the ‘hard-hat Laborers’ coming and going from the tunnel. I can tell you one thing, by the look of them, the last place I’d want to be caught is 5 meters underground 🙁

Just saying, eh.
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November 27, 2020 4:04pm
Fletch

Trump SMACKS down a reporter –

“You’re just a lightweight. Don’t talk to me that way. I’m the President of the United States. Don’t ever talk to the President that way.”

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1332098307796185099

About time somebody said it. These reporters have no respect at all. If they can’t respect the man, at least respect the office.
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November 27, 2020 4:40pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Very well put Fletch. Those reporters are a pack of septic A-holes
  
  (BTW – picked up a can of Condensed Tomato Soup and loaf of Sourdough. Will report back 😛 )
  
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  November 27, 2020 5:14pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Well, Maggie, I’m sure the tomato soup & sourdough will really sort out that rude reporter. 🙂
    
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    November 27, 2020 7:42pm
emmess

Was the Kraken not just a metaphor?
Jump to 4:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONzWhxHVKbs
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November 27, 2020 6:55pm
Swifty

Recent Douglas on the left, Trump, the Dems, trans, The Hitch, Scruton and many other topics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2mofDMXB6o

So much common sense.
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November 27, 2020 7:29pm
Jack5

Suggestion for Kiwiblog …

Would setting hours for posting help with the moderation flow, which can stop for hours at weekends?

I concede the need for moderation given the number of litigious people who can read posts, but occasionally the moderation process is frustratingly slow, especially at weekends and on public holidays, and even sometimes on Mondays (a dull day for news, because it’s still Sunday in most of the rest of the world).

You might post something, then find out hours later that someone else posted virtually the same earlier but it was held up, invisible, in the moderation queue.

A 6pm daily cut-off from Friday to Sunday would be a good start. Often it’s a waste of time trying to post on a Friday or Saturday night.

Or perhaps a late post thread for next day would bring in late posts from the night before.

DPF’s provided a great forum for us over the years, and the unpaid, anonymous moderators deserve our thanks for keeping it going.

However, we need to help keep Kiwiblog vibrant – buzzing away with different views.
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