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skyblue

A new tax today?
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November 26, 2020 8:01am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Yup Robber(son) extending bright line test to 7 years.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:03am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Brightline Test is reasonable at 2 years and even then it should have discretion available to avoid hardship in the event of an unplanned sale.
    
    The present 5 year test should have the tax proportionally abated over the last 3 years of the 5 year period. The Test serves a useful purpose in that grey area between proving intention and circumstances. Profits on property sale schemes have always been taxable and the Bright Line Test does clarify some boundary cases. These can take several years to settle.
    
    It is not of itself a capital gains tax and should not be treated that way.
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:50am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      If it’s a tax on gains from capital then it is a capital gains tax.
      
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      November 26, 2020 11:12am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The Bright Line Test was introduced to help deal with the interminable arguments over whether a sale was one of capital or income.
        There is a bit of a grey area if you live in place then sell it.
        I don’t approve of taxes on capital.
        
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        November 26, 2020 4:09pm
- burt
  
  So all those people who voted for policies that increase rental prices and reduce the number of places being rented – they’ll be happy about this.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:32am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  And a new vax.
  
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  November 26, 2020 11:16am
- Catgurl13
  
  Yes climate emergency tax coming soon as Jacinda urges this govt to vote for this next week.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mps-will-next-week-vote-on-whether-or-not-parliament-should-declare-climate-emergency/JAV6PY5BV5MTXDMB4IAYIUIRGU/
  
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  November 26, 2020 1:17pm
Don Beckett

Have a happy day..
Come on Mikey, let us know why. 🙂
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November 26, 2020 8:02am
mikenmildagain

Today’s the day to celebrate another demi-god: St. Alypius. Alypius erected a pillar beside his church and lived atop it for the majority of his adult life. After standing upright for fifty-three years, Alypius found his feet no longer able to support him, but instead of descending from his pillar lay down on his side and spent the remaining fourteen years of his life in that position. He died at the claimed age of 118, and has magical powers to help with fertility in women.
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November 26, 2020 8:04am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Fortunately care and treatment for mental health cases has improved massively since those times.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:51am
- alloytoo
  
  Honestly he sounds like a sponger who found an angle to get the locals to feed him.
  
  Today he would be demanding a flat screen and Sky from his marks.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:56am
  - yossarian
    
    Sounds like Karl Marx? A middle class lackey who never worked a hard day in his life and lived off his rich, bourgeoisie mate Engels. And how the socialists love him, even though today he would be the epitome of white male privelage
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:13am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Or soliciting donations to fight ‘election fraud’…
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:22am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Thanks Mike!
  
  I am sure you have done St. Alypius meaning we have had 12 months of your ‘day of’ series.
  
  Thank you for contributions, appreciated by some and reviled by others most likely because it is you rather than the subject.
  
  I wish you luck with your new direction now that everyone has had their day, including you.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:19am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Oh, there’s a lots more to come…
    The Catholics alone have thousands of their demi-gods, let alone all the other special days or historical events worth remembering.
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:39am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Oh no! The ‘wait, but there is more’ moment and it turns out to be so . . .
      
      ☺
      
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      November 26, 2020 12:01pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Mikey confuses Saints with demi-gods. Mind you, Te Maori had many demi-gods – maybe they had got to Greece circa 700 BC and learnt their mythology. 🙂
      
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      November 26, 2020 12:30pm
      - Mike
        
        What’s the difference in magical powers between saints and other minor deities?
        
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        November 26, 2020 1:32pm
    - Paulus
      
      The Catholics have a new demi-god in the USA – Joseph Biden – of good Iris stock which is why he is trying to get Boris to stop Brexit as he promised his US Irish voters.
      I would have thought that he would do better to sort out the US’s own electoral irregularities first rather than interfere in other peoples problems.
      
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      November 26, 2020 2:12pm
Maggie Pie

‘Barnum & Bailey’ had nothing on this mob…..

https://twitter.com/wiggley_dale/status/1331479306006974465
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November 26, 2020 8:06am
- Swifty
  
  I’m sorry but on seeing that the first thing which occurs to me is that that is a person living in the past.
  
  Fancies herself as some sort of 19th Century warrior wahine.
  
  4 out of 5 Maori kids leave school without UE and Debbie wants the teaching of Maori language compulsory.
  
  Yep, that’ll fix Maori under-achievement Debbie!
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:22am
- KiwiSapper
  
  The appearance of the two Maori Party MP’s at Parliaments session yesterday was a disgrace and an insult.
  The image you supplied was of the confused candidate who came in as a list MP, not an electorate winner. The electorate winner appears to have suffered a complete personality crisis and is unable to decide whether he is a Maori warrior in the 1860’s, a rhinestone cowboy or a 21 st century NZ MP.
  Both wore hats in the chamber throughout the session and the MP even carried and waved a weapon!
  Why do we have to tolerate such outlandish and aggressive behaviour?
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:24am
  - igm
    
    Mallard has new friends . . . just his type!
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:08am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If a person who self-identifies as a Maori (so hard that they have culturally sanctioned facial tatoos) wears rinestones and an American cowboy hat, would that not be “cultural appropriation”?
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:16am
    - softail 1450
      
      Odakyu-sen ,No it would be f–kwittery…
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:45am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        “and” 🙂
        
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        November 26, 2020 11:14am
  - Flossie
    
    I was offended by the hat! Imagine being so dismissive of marae protocol if you’re honoured to be there!
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:26am
    - david
      
      But ‘no beavers were injured in the making of this hat’ so it is all OK.
      
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      November 26, 2020 12:56pm
  - Catgurl13
    
    Yes I thought so too. The wearing the hats was very rude and made both of them look ridiculous.
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:31am
    - lifesgood
      
      They are hilarious. They thumb their noses at the wonderful life they have achieved on the back of the white man and then wear european hats. Nutters.
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:21am
      - sooty
        
        Well, they couldn’t wear maori ones!
        
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        November 26, 2020 10:46am
    - softail 1450
      
      Catgurl13,come on Cat he’s just copying the bit actor from Star Trek Ron Mark.
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:51am
    - namron
      
      Since when was the wearing of hats part of traditional Maori custom??
      
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      November 26, 2020 11:24am
      - Catgurl13
        
        Exactly!!!….they were in fact copying the English settlers by doing so. What was Debbie even thinking?…. She looked like she was a bit late to a steampunk party lol.
        
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        November 26, 2020 1:20pm
      - Catgurl13
        
        Rawiri looks like a country bumpkin in that cowboy hat. Then if course he had to grandstand with his mere/ patu thingy while singing.
        
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        November 26, 2020 1:30pm
  - MCos
    
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    No worse than all those wigs, black rod.
    Why do our people swear allegiance to some foreigner who never comes here any more and never will?
    When she dies they must swear allegiance to another foreigner because Kiwis are forbidden from being HoS of their own country.
    And you worry about a Maori mp wearing a top hat?
    BTW
    She may be a list mp, but so are Goldsmith because his party campaigned for him to lose, Gerry, Nick Smith, that bloke down in Dunedin whose name slips my mind & Shani Reti Nat #2, Bish
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:41am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Mr Speaker should have kept the decorum of the Chamber.
    It seems that anything now is possible. Are tribes to be treated differently too?
    Have race relations been set back 160 years?
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:56am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No, and no.
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:23am
  - tf78
    
    Surely if it weren’t for the Crown we wouldn’t have the Treaty of Waitangi, do they not realize that.
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:08am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And if we do away with the Monarchy/Crown as our Head of State, then it renders the Treaty meaningless as one party to the signing would no longer be represented.
      
      Personally, I’m all in favour of ditching the Crown, as long as whatever replaces our form of Government guarantees equal rights and privileges for all citizens of NZ.
      
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      November 26, 2020 11:06am
      - hullkiwi
        
        But do you really want a president out of our past and present politicians? There are not too many you would want as Head of State.
        
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        November 26, 2020 2:07pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Bold words but Tribes are waiting to break up NZ.
        
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        November 26, 2020 4:11pm
  - Unity
    
    I absolutely agree. It’s an utter disgrace. They are demeaning the whole system. Actually I find it very hard to look at the guy because when I first glance at him all I see are worms all over his face. I know that’s not kind but it gives me the heebies just looking at him and I’m not getting used to it. Are they wanting to revert back to the Stone Age? Is that what this is all about? I thought the whole idea was to progress and move forward. They are definitely moving backwards which doesn’t bode well for them or us.
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:54am
    - Catgurl13
      
      I see a puffed up peacock with scribbles on its face.
      
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      November 26, 2020 1:33pm
  - Paulus
    
    Behavior is dictated by our Governments behaviour and Trevor.
    
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    November 26, 2020 2:13pm
- tf78
  
  Mad Hatter’s Tea Party!
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:35am
- Crossing The Bar
  
  Are Guns & Roses in the country a year early?
  
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  November 26, 2020 11:24am
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“One lawyer was so crazy, she was even too crazy for Trump. That was Sidney Powell who claimed the Republican Governor of Georgia was in a conspiracy with the dead Hugo Chavez and the CIA to steal the election from Trump.”

The more you think about this it could be important, maybe a KB team led by KK could get to the bottom of it and save the Trump.
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November 26, 2020 8:08am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Crowd gasps after learning a spike of votes in PA had 600k votes for Biden and only 3,200 for Trump:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGGlnHe3Rgc
  
  Enjoy the show.
  ??
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:40am
  - Fletch
    
    Fraud on a massive scale. If the U.S leaves this as it is, it will just keep happening and there will be no way to recover from it.
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:57am
  - curry4me
    
    Critical Thinker: Nothing to see here folks. CNN 2.0 [Fox] told me so. So did the Sux O’clock ‘news’, and $tuff.
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:59am
    - Batman
      
      Hahaha it’s bloody funny watching you children be so petty about Fox.
      
      Just enjoy Newsmax and it’s untethered grip on facts. You can still watch the White Power Hours with Laura and Tucker.
      
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      November 26, 2020 12:30pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Don’t worry Batty Boy – there’s a lot of water to flow under the bridge yet.
        If it proves to be false, the I will recognise Biden as US president – and he will send the US into a tailspin. But if it proves to be true, I expect Trump to be installed as president, and he will hopefully drain the rest of the swamp.
        
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        November 26, 2020 12:34pm
      - Bullion
        
        Even Newsmax has basically called it for Joe Biden
        
        Newsmax calls Joe Biden winner in Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania
        
        https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1331369072056012808
        
        Some of the responses;
        
        Take a hike Newsmax. You’re no better than Fox.
        
        So disappointed in newsmax. Certification can be reversed in court. shoud have waited Newsmax. On to OAN
        
        so much for Newsmax
        
        told you Newsmax is just another short-lived Fox. No needs to prove.
        
        These people are losing a grip on reality and willing to go wherever that confirms their biases (/conspiracies)
        
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        November 26, 2020 1:25pm
      - C J Southern
        
        @Bullion
        
        “Losing their grip”?
        
        … they lost it a long time ago.
        
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        November 26, 2020 6:27pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Dominion was first used by Chavez to steal an election. It has since been used by the CIA to steal elections all over the world.
  Trump’s people now believe it has been used to steal the US election.
  
  The media, instead of reporting it how it was said has compressed the whole thing together and come up with “The Democrats conspired with Chavez and the CIA to steal the election”. Honest question – does this look like a deliberate attempt by the media to discredit someone?
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:59am
  - IC5000
    
    > t has since been used by the CIA to steal elections all over the world.
    
    So Trump and Pompeo have been stealing elections all over the world?
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Well duh, that’s how Trump knows the election was fraudulent!
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:23am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      It’s cute that you think the President runs the CIA (or that the current President has anything to do with CIA actions over 20 years before his run).
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:49am
      - Bullion
        
        The president nominates the director of the cia. Current director was nominated by trump in 2018, replacing pompeo, who became secretary of state.
        
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        November 26, 2020 1:29pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Try some facts instead of fiction. Just image Chavez sitting there at the keyboard voting away.
  
  Tracing the development of some voting machines as having been developed in earlier years for hanky panky in other countries is not unreasonable. The facts will emerge as the cases are tried. Several large separate cases have not yet been filed. The skirmishing in the State Courts are very preliminary.
  
  A little evidence on voting irregularities:
  https://votepatternanalysis.substack.com/p/voting-anomalies-2020
  
  It’s long technical read but it does show a case to be answered.
  If it gets to the SCOTUS I suspect the Justices, if empowered, will pass it back to Congress to determine the outcome of the election.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:11am
  - oldfella
    
    Kev, talking of the US … this is an interesting read about how the suppression of eight key stories by the MSM during the election allowed Biden to get home. Shameful.
    https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/11/24/explosive-study-media-suppression-of-8-key-stories-stole-this-election-for-joe-biden-n1170347
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:47am
    - oldfella
      
      FWIW, this Spiked! article picks up on the same theme. These guys are always worth a read.
      https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/25/in-the-trump-era-the-media-abandoned-objectivity/
      
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      November 26, 2020 12:20pm
  - curry4me
    
    KevO’Brien: Dems were concerned about voting machines in 2016, and 2018. Some thought HC conceded too soon, and should have contested the results in some states.
    
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    November 26, 2020 12:01pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It is rumoured that the CIA have been involved in these activities elsewhere.
      
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      November 26, 2020 4:25pm
- flash2846
  
  This is weird:
  Pennsylvania
  1,823,148 mail in ballots sent out,
  1,400,000 received back,
  2,500,000 counted
  So 700,000 ballots magically appeared.
  Also:
  22,686 ballots returned on the very day they were posted,
  30,291 ballots returned the day after they were posted, and
  20,000 ballots returned BEFORE they were posted.
  Bye bye Biden.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:30am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    And the evidence for this (that would be accepted by a court) is what?
    In the one major case before the Federal District Court in Pennsylvania to date, Trump’s lawyers produced nothing.
    I would have thought that Trump is just about out of runway to present credible (not hearsay) first hand evidence of large scale fraud. There is no point just spouting off about in news conferences and on the internet. It has to be put before a court, and then accepted as credible and compelling. The bigger the conspiracy claimed, the more compelling the evidence has to be.
    
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    November 26, 2020 12:35pm
    - flash2846
      
      It’s real time counting Wayne and reported at the time. You haters need take your blinkers off.
      Too many witnesses who were actually there have come forward. Nobody who was there has come forward to dispute these witnesses as well, what does that tell ya?
      You weren’t there and neither was I. [Mod: unnecessary abuse of a commenter]
      
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      November 26, 2020 1:06pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The reveal is underway. Today there was a major presentation before the Pennsylvania State Legislature. Many witnesses.
      See it here:
      https://videos.whatfinger.com/2020/11/25/live-now-pa-giuliani-to-join-public-hearing-on-voter-fraud-claims-in-gettysburg-pennsylvania/
      
      This is likely to block certification in PA. It matters little if it doesn’t go up the chain–the lack of certificate is sufficient.
      
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      November 26, 2020 4:23pm
  - Okahu
    
    Quick ‘flash’. Ring Rudy! Or Sidney! Someone must hear that a shy blog commentator in a country most trumpwits couldn’t find on a map has finally found incontrovertible evidence of electoral fraud. Unbelievable!
    Anyway don’t just tell us, tell someone that matters. How about you ring the switchboard on your party line and asked to get put through to the White House. If that doesn’t work let me know. I will loan you a sea kayak. Take krazkiwi. Its a helluva paddle but I’m confident the two of you have what it takes to outwit the forces of sanity and numeracy. Or at least make it over the horizon.
    
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    November 26, 2020 1:19pm
    - C J Southern
      
      They took the kayak, but thought the weather forecast for a storm was “fake news” because it’s controlled by the deep-neo-something-state.
      
      They didn’t wear life jackets because they heard on Twitter that there’s credible evidence life jackets kill people – it’s all part of an evil plan by the deep-neo-something-state to stop people growing up and becoming a burden on the welfare system you know 😉
      
      They got tossed out of the kayak and just as they were starting to sink they clutched at a single piece of straw floating by; “we’re saved” they cried!
      
      Their bodies were found 2 days later and to this very day their friends swear that they have evidence that’s going to prove how they were murdered by the neo-deep-something-state.
      
      Any of that seem vaguely familiar? …
      
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      November 26, 2020 6:39pm
      - Couchpotatoe
        
        Just love the head exploding futile grasp on reality reactions from those that have taken in the Tump Koolaid and now have a bad dose of BDS.
        
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        November 26, 2020 9:32pm
Yvette

If supposedly the Treaty of Waitangi is a partnership between Maori and the Crown, isn’t the Crown represented by Parliament – determining the rules by which the country is run?
So, in joining Parliament, which side of the Treaty are new Members of Parliament joining and to whom should they swear allegiance? Or should they be just required to publicly acknowledge they will perform their work honestly, openly and to their best ability?
Why all the grand-standing bullshit which indicates some are a bit confused at to what their job actually is?
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November 26, 2020 8:10am
- burt
  
  Yvette
  
  They are lefties, the rules don’t apply to them – only to others. It’s different when they do it.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:56am
- KevO'Brien
  
  They are rapidly making the case for qualifying testing for prospective MP candidates.
  Bonds may be required as well including penal terms for incompetents effectively committing fraud masquerading as potential Executives.
  Back to FPP otherwise. Unelected members do not get proper scrutiny before being required to exceed their paygrade.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:18am
- MCos
  
  Are you saying parliament doesn’t represent Maori?
  In fact parliament represents the electorate, that is to say the voters. The crown is forbidden from entering the debating chamber, which is why the speech from the throne is delivered in another room.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:33am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  So, since whatsherface can walk into Parliament carrying a skull-crushing polished stone, I can saunter in carrying a quarterstaff right? after all that’s my cultural heritage…. I wonder how far I’d get before being tackled and arrested.
  
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  November 26, 2020 11:17am
  - Mike
    
    Ever noticed the mace?
    Thought not
    
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    November 26, 2020 1:36pm
Maggie Pie

And another thing – why don’t they have a separate TV channel for deaf people?

God those sign language interpreters are so f—ing distracting.
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November 26, 2020 8:14am
- artemisia
  
  What’s wrong with turning on captions? If available and they usually are these days. And if auto, there are some unwittingly hilarious translations of speech to text.
  
  Saw one recently that translated ‘software’ as ‘south war’.
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:26am
- Chris R
  
  Why not just put the text up? I recall a service called “Teletext” which was handy to read if stuck in a motel. I never used it at home…but then again, I don’t have a working television.
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:42am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hard to watch moving hands and listening at the same time Maggie?
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:48am
  - RF
    
    Are you watching Ardern ?
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Can not read her sign, same as can not understand what she says
      
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      November 26, 2020 5:45pm
- cmm
  
  With modern picture-in-picture TV there is absolutely no reason why everyone has to get it, but you could also get some blue tack and a bit of cardboard…
  
  I was chatting to a deaf colleague with a new baby a few days ago. He was looking very bright and sparkly compared to most new dads. He sleeps great by just unplugging his hearing aid.
  
  I asked him it his baby had learned to cry in sign language yet and he laughed his arse off.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:03am
- IC5000
  
  Don’t worry Maggie at your age it won’t be long before you will be singing their praises
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:36am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I wonder what percentage of TV viewers actually depend on the sign language?
  It has to be a significant number, to justify the cost and visual distraction.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:13am
  - oldfella
    
    Odakyu, I think the number of Kiwis who are fluent in sign language slightly exceeds the number who are fluent in Maori. In other words, not a lot…
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:08am
    - Paulus
      
      Why isn’t sign language also available in Maori ?
      Every thing else is.
      
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      November 26, 2020 2:30pm
  - namron
    
    Sign language is one of the 3 official languages of NZ – English, sign and Maori.
    It appeared that the sign language in Parliament yesterday continued even when speakers were speaking in languages other than English.
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:33am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Contrary to common belief, sign language is not Esperanto; a deaf person who understands signing in English will not understand German signing or Japanese signing. The sign languages are different.
      
      I assume the Parliament signer would be proficient in both spoken Engliand and Maori, and in the sign languages for English and Maori.
      
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      November 26, 2020 4:08pm
SpencerArnold

A very interesting question raised by the future mrs arnold.

What about the 50% of “clients” of Oranga Tamariki who are not Maori?

I was away for the “iwi vs kiwi” movement, but this smells of apartheid. Did the ‘one law for all’ movement get squashed beyond redemption in the 2000s?
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November 26, 2020 8:14am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Do the Maori actually want apartheid in NZ?
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:11am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Yes.
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:19am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The term “apartheid ” can only be used when it is the oppressor class who benefits. Otherwise it is called “fairness”, “equity” or “righting the wrongs of the past.”
      
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      November 26, 2020 11:03am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        There are many who would like NZ returned to tikanga Maori with full utu.
        
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        November 26, 2020 4:28pm
  - oldfella
    
    BF, the answer is a vocal minority!
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think the figure is nearer 30% who are not Māori.
  
  Around 70% of children and young people in care are Māori.
  https://www.orangatamariki.govt.nz/support-for-families/how-we-support-whanau/family-and-whanau-care/
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:38am
  - fernglas
    
    Give Maori 70% of the budget, and let them go to it. Then we will have a better idea of how things really stand. Is it systemic racism, or social problems within Maori and that Maori can solve? It can’t be much worse than the present shambles.
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:44am
    - Phronesis
      
      I suspect they would want 90+% of the budget to go to Maori. I’m currently involved in a MoH contract for a public service. It’s paid on a per client basis. Almost 3 times as much for Maori clients as for everyone else. This is completely normal in MoH contracts across most health services.
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:11am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Let’s be honest, they want 200% of the budget. It is another trough they are keen to drink from.
        
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        November 26, 2020 10:52am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Watch then the fight over the shares for the money. It took years to get the fishing shares settled.
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:20am
    - Unity
      
      If many part-Maori can get by on their own efforts and be decent citizens, surely that shows that it is possible and that it is more up to those who are not achieving to turn things around for themselves. Their parents should be pushing them to get a good education, aspire and work hard. For me it is more a generational parental problem and only those not succeeding can fix it. The rest of us can’t force them to be educated, teach them to aspire and work hard.
      
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      November 26, 2020 12:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Seems it is not only our Government that can’t deliver on its New Housing programme.

Labor-run Northern Territory Government seems just as useless.
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6212091452001
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November 26, 2020 8:22am
- SB2
  
  MW, NSW government it seems the same,
  
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-18/housing-crisis-nsw-advocates-want-long-term-solutions/12890640
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:00am
  - sooty
    
    Trouble is if it burns, it’s gone!
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:56am
artemisia

So if someone unsuccessfully applies for 20 jobs in a sector with declared shortages, maybe there’s a reason. And whinging in the media might not be the best strategy.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123507562/after-20-unsuccessful-job-applications-covid-returnee-wonders-if-she-belongs-in-nz
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November 26, 2020 8:23am
- cmm
  
  Astounding what is classified as an essential skill.
  
  There’s even “Bar useful/busser”.
  
  How can picking up empty glasses from a table and giving it a wipe be classified as a “skill”?
  
  They also have cleaner, carpet cleaner, supermarket checkout operator, luggage porter, fruit picker/worker, … and I gave up half way through the list.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:14am
- Catgurl13
  
  It’s more about migrants being hired instead so that they will only be offered minimum wage. This lady is at least trying and has also taken a course to update her skills.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:34am
- hullkiwi
  
  Am I missing something here, the woman came back to NZ from Australia to feel safe about COVID? With the exception of Melbourne and an idiot in SA, isn’t the rest of Australia got better statistics on COVID than NZ?
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:41am
  - Jules99
    
    Sadly the media has convinced kiwis overseas that the only place in the world they can be safe from wu-flu is NZ with a princess for a leader. So they left good jobs to return home and are now waking up to the fact that life isn’t as hunky dory as claimed.
    
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    November 26, 2020 2:45pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Not very bright coming back to where work is scarce as a COVID refugee.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:22am
Maggie Pie

Why will this country always be in debt?
The government bought Skodas for the police.

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November 26, 2020 8:32am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  They had to Maggie. My copper nephew tells me that the current Holdens were useless – the crims learned very quickly that all they had to do was reverse hard into them and because of the way their engine was placed, it incapacitated them completely.
  
  Thats why they have been dragging the old retired models out again and refurbishing them in a hurry, at great cost…
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:40am
- Colville
  
  they ordered Trabants and the Rep upsold them to Skoda…
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:43am
- Ruahine
  
  The country is in so much debt ‘we’ can only afford to buy Skodas.
  Skoda is actually owned by Volkswagen which owns a big chunk if not all of Audi.
  Should have bought the Audi for replacement. Really piss off the crims. Repair costs would be through the roof though. There would be ‘so-oh’ many repair costs.
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:55am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Modern Skodas are but variants of the Audi A4/A6 and VW Passat
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:38am
    - Batman
      
      Views on Skodas are a great way to carbon date certain people, or determine whether they’re totally out of date with respect to the car industry
      
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      November 26, 2020 9:46am
      - C J Southern
        
        Thought the government would buy them all Teslas; nice and green – and not a problem to borrow as much as they need.
        
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        November 26, 2020 6:42pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Typically they’re a generation or two behind the current VW/Audi Generation.
      
      This does mean better reliability because it’s all proven technology.
      
      I do wonder if major Japanese or Korean brands were considered.
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:59am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Skoda, Seat, Audi, VW are all built on the same chassis powertrains, only the body shape and accessories are different, to capture more money from ostentatious types who think a badge is worth something.
        
        But why the hell is Govt buying german imports when Japanese and korean cars are cheaper, more reliable, and less costly to service.
        
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        November 26, 2020 11:55am
      - Batman
        
        Because if you read the Stuff story and what they said about weightings for cost, performance etc, the Skodas scored higher than the dozens of other options.
        
        Plus the test cops liked them the most to drive.
        
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        November 26, 2020 12:31pm
      - JamesP
        
        “I do wonder if major Japanese or Korean brands were considered.”
        I’ve seen a couple of marked Police Toyota Camrys in central Auckland.
        
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        November 26, 2020 5:22pm
    - Diogenes
      
      I’d love to see the day that Audi brings out a version called the “Pardner”.
      
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      November 26, 2020 11:46am
- peterwn
  
  Skoda was originally a Czech company and Bob Jones characterised Social Credit supporters as wearing crimpline suits, grey shoes and owning Skodas. It is now owned by the German Volkswagen group. Another change is that Grant Robertson and the Reserve Bank have now adopted Social Credit financial policies.
  It would be wrong to say that the Government decided to purchase them. The Police did their own evaluations and decided it was the most appropriate model to purchase. The only Government involvement would have been a final Ministerial sign-off if that was necessary. Compare this with the past where the decision would have been highly politicised and the potential suppliers having to put up trade deals etc. A highlight of that era was when NAC (now Air NZ’s domestic arm) was put under great pressure (which it successfully resisted) to purchase British made aircraft rather than Boeing 737’s.
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:56am
  - tf78
    
    They should have bought beamers like the poms often have.
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:29am
- SB2
  
  Hopefully the Police will reconsider as the EV Hyundai Kona find increasing favour and use among Europoen Police,’
  
  https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128251_hyundai-kona-electric-the-new-favored-police-patrol-car-for-europe
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:09am
  - herb1
    
    If a Police car runs low on fuel and needs to urgently attend a crime scene or accident, filling up is probably 10 minutes extra time.
    What if they don’t have enough battery left to get to the crime scene. Will modern e criminals be prepared to hang around for a few hours while the “copper” charges his car?
    
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    November 26, 2020 2:57pm
- MCos
  
  ‘Why will this country always be in debt?’
  
  Why should the current taxpayers pay for capital works that future generations would thus use for free?
  Money was borrowed, for example, to build the Auckland Harbour Bridge. Users paid a toll until it was paid off.
  
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  November 26, 2020 1:15pm
- Paulus
  
  Try a Skoda Superb and you will see how good it is – remember it is a VW Product.
  
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  November 26, 2020 2:34pm
President Elect Andrei

Pennsylvania State Legislature is Holding Public Hearing on the Election in their State

The testimony is eye watering, right now a Democratic poll watcher is testifying and she is appalled by the shennanigans which is why she is testifying under oath

The media will suppress this of course but you can watch here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSDZkXxFVEU
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November 26, 2020 8:33am
- Batman
  
  The state of the ‘hearing’:
  
  Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis, sitting next to Rudy Giuliani, holds her phone up to the mic as the outgoing president spouts lies on speakerphone to the Republican hearing in Pennsylvania that will not change the election outcome.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:37am
  - JackRabbit
    
    This is an unbiased meeting held by the Pennsylvania State Legislature. Be respectful of the truth and evidence. Otherwise it looks like you are very one-eyed.
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:44am
    - Batman
      
      It’s not, and it is not.
      
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      November 26, 2020 1:07pm
  - President Elect Andrei
    
    At the time I posted that it was a poll watcher from the Democrat Party who was testifying – th comment was over an hour in moderation so the hearing had moved onby the time it was published but what she testified to was multiple violations of election law that she personally observed
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:59am
- JackRabbit
  
  This is live and as you state it is eye watering.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:40am
- virtualmark
  
  It’s not a “hearing”. It has no formal status or authority. It’s just a bunch of PA Republican politicians sitting in a hotel conference room doing some sort of bullshit performance art.
  
  Its real purpose is to position one of those State Senators for a push at the Governorship in 2 years time.
  
  Trump is just jumping on it as a forum to have a deranged rant and whine about his election loss … even though PA has already certified the outcome.
  
  Sad.
  
  And the media won’t “suppress” this. They are reporting it. But they are correctly positioning this as meaningless lying theatre. If there really was a problem with the election then Trump’s campaign has had plenty of opportunity to put evidence in front of a judge. Yet no Trump lawyer has alleged fraud in court (where there are penalties for lying).
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:41am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Virtualmark, you find your volume control settings in the system tray of your computer. Try moving the slider from 0 to 100%, because clearly you are watching with the sound off.
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:50am
    - virtualmark
      
      Oh I listened to a bit of it.
      
      Trump via speakerphone from the White House, to a microphone in the conference room.
      
      It struck me as being just like Hitler on the radio from the Fuhrerbunker instructing imaginary armies to rally and defeat the Russians invading Berlin.
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:49am
      - Critical Thinker
        
        … Serious question. Are you a TDS parody account? ?
        
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        November 26, 2020 11:03am
      - virtualmark
        
        Meanwhile, on Russian state TV:
        
        “Our candidate is finished.”
        “Trump waved the white flag of surrender.”
        “If you’re going to name a vaccine after Trump, name it LOSER.”
        
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        November 26, 2020 11:14am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        You went full Godwin. Never go full Godwin…
        
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        November 26, 2020 11:20am
      - JackRabbit
        
        “Oh I listened to a bit of it.”
        
        And therein lies your problem. You watched “a bit of it”. You have decided that there is no election fraud so you cannot stand to watch all of it as it is too uncomfortable and painful because it conflicts with your beliefs.
        
        Irrespective of whether anyone favours Trump or Biden, it is the process and the need to have honest elections, and for the American people to be able to trust the election process. Which if you listen you would have found that stated by the Senators.
        
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        November 26, 2020 11:22am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Sorry CT – downticked by mistake.
        
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        November 26, 2020 11:32am
      - virtualmark
        
        Engelbert, you should read what Mike Godwin has to say about Trump. He himself has said permission granted to Godwin Trump.
        
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        November 26, 2020 12:28pm
  - President Elect Andrei
    
    The executive may have claimd to have certified the results but under the constitution it is the legislature that actually certifies them.
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:55am
    - Batman
      
      No, it isn’t at the state level.
      
      The legislature itself has said it has no role under state law.
      
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      November 26, 2020 1:09pm
  - Critical Thinker
    
    “… even though PA has already certified the outcome.”
    
    Nope.
    ??
    
    Pennsylvania Judge Delays Election Certification Pending Republican Legal Challenge
    
    The order, signed by Commonwealth Judge Patricia McCullough, bars all respondents from certifying the results of the election pending a hearing on Friday
    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/11/25/pennsylvania-judge-delays-election-certification-pending-republican-legal-challenge/
    
    ??
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:55am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Add to this the rising unrest within the Democrats that Biden has turned his back on those Democrats that supported him and helped him get e-elected. Biden instead had appointed Obama stooges.
      
      The cracks are appearing. Expect further shocking news.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-election-drama-inside-us-presidential-transition-as-joe-biden-loyalists-complain-theyre-being-overlooked/KRFPGUNHFW5Y5RIQOIBMDMXXNE/
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:31am
      - Batman
        
        Ironic that campaign loyalists are miffed about being passed over for jobs because there are more qualified candidates ?
        
        That’s exactly what they were getting rid of from the WH
        
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        November 26, 2020 10:39am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Batman.
        
        “…because there are more qualified candidates…”
        
        Because there are candidates that fit better in the pocket of Obama.
        
        Fixed it for you.
        
        Ned Devine is more alive than Biden, although the plots are exceeding similar.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waking_Ned
        
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        November 26, 2020 10:58am
    - C J Southern
      
      Incorrect.
      
      1. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court have put the Commonwealth Court’s order on hold.
      
      2. It’s moot anyway because in terms of the president/vice-president race the result has already been certified – and the wording of the order included the phrase “to the extent that there remains any further action to perfect the certification of the results.”
      
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      November 26, 2020 2:44pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    “If there really was a problem with the election then Trump’s campaign has had plenty of opportunity to put evidence in front of a judge.”
    
    The corruption runs so deep it had to come out at a senate level.
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:33am
    - Batman
      
      That makes absolutely no sense.
      
      Also it’s not a senate hearing, it’s a state republican caucus ‘hearing’ in a hotel conference room.
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:36am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        That makes absolutely no sense.
        
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        November 26, 2020 11:21am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Very true, Engelbert. Jack Rabbit, Andrei and Critical ‘Thinker’ do not have the sense to distinguish legislative proceedings from a press conference.
        
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        November 26, 2020 1:59pm
- SB2
  
  The media have not suppressed it . Fox have a handle on the sham .CBS also,
  
  Watch Live: Trump phones in false claims at Pennsylvania Senate committee hearing on voting “irregularities”
  
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-giuliani-gettysburg-pennsylvania-hearing-election-issues-alleged-irregularities-live-stream-today-2020-11-25/
   
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:52am
- JackRabbit
  
  The cat is truly out of the bag. Senator Doug Mastriano aced it!.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:01am
- Fletch
  
  A court has blocked the state from certifying results.
  
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/11/25/pennsylvania-court-temporarily-blocks-state-from-certifying-votes-in-response-to-gop-challenge/
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:07am
  - C J Southern
    
    Incorrect.
    
    1. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court have put the Commonwealth Court’s order on hold.
    
    2. It’s moot anyway because in terms of the president/vice-president race the result has already been certified – and the wording of the order included the phrase “to the extent that there remains any further action to perfect the certification of the results.”
    
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    November 26, 2020 2:46pm
    - Fletch
      
      It hasn’t been legally certified. Only the State Legislature can constitutionally give their approval, and they haven’t. So it doesn’t matter what the PA supreme court says. They were also the ones who illegally changed election law to suit themselves, doing a run around the state legislature whose sole province is the election rules.
      
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      November 26, 2020 4:16pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Yep, as was pointed out in the video, appealing to the crims to investigate the crims will go nowhere.
        
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        November 26, 2020 6:38pm
- JackRabbit
  
  This Pennsylvania State Legislature Holds Public Hearing, rocks the outcome of the election to the core. A con on the scale of the Trojan Horse.
  
  Anybody who watches this who does not doubt what has occurred, is not human.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:24am
  - Inandout
    
    Jack, watch the Dems flip and support police funding.
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:09am
  - Batman
    
    Bahaha you absolute doofuses. Certification is complete and not covered by the Judge’s order
    
    https://www.radio.com/kywnewsradio/news/local/pa-election-results-temporarily-blocked-pending-gop-suit?utm_campaign=https%253A%252F%252Fkywnewsradio.radio.com%252F&utm_content=1606341668&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=KYW-AM
    
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    November 26, 2020 1:14pm
    - Fletch
      
      Again, only the state legislature can give their approval for certification. It is the state legislature that certifies the results and the state legislature that chooses electors. Right at this moment, they could constitutionally choose whoever they want for electors, all by themselves, and send them to congress in December. If it came down to choosing which ones were ratified, it would be the ones chosen by the legislature.
      
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      November 26, 2020 4:19pm
      - Batman
        
        You know they would also be up against the actual set of electors sent as per the certified results and congress would accept those proper certified ones right?
        
        Best case scenario, this faithless electors trick ends up with a mess in Congress and Acting President Pelosi…. Just something for you to think about ?
        
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        November 26, 2020 5:25pm
      - Fletch
        
        You know they would also be up against the actual set of electors sent as per the certified results and congress would accept those proper certified ones right?
        
        Yes, but it doesn’t matter. The Constitution, Art. 1, § 4, cl. 1 says “The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but Congress may at any time make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of chusing Senators.”
        
        Smiley Vs Holm makes it clear –
        
        Consideration of the subject-matter and of the terms of the provision requires affirmative answer. The subject-matter is the ‘times, places and manner of holding elections for senators and representatives.’ It cannot be doubted that these comprehensive words embrace authority to provide a complete code for congressional elections, not only as to times and places, but in relation to notices, registration, supervision of voting, protection of voters, prevention of fraud and corrupt practices, counting of votes, duties of inspectors and canvassers, and making and publication of election returns; in short, to enact the numerous requirements as to procedure and safeguards which experience shows are necessary in order to enforce the fundamental right involved. And these requirements would be nugatory if they did not have appropriate sanctions in the definition of offenses and punishments. All this is comprised in the subject of ‘times, places and manner of holding elections,’ and involves lawmaking in its essential features and most important aspect.
        
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        November 26, 2020 6:13pm
      - C J Southern
        
        I’m curious; when this current line fails to gain any traction (just like all the others), what will your next line be?
        
        Are you going to run with the “calvery’s coming” line or try to extend the “clutching at straws” line? Perhaps you could give us a little “coming soon to a theatre near you” trailer?
        
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        November 26, 2020 6:51pm
Swifty

Swifty’s random video of the year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N7hsho4Sjg

Vintage Sock Knitter (making a sock)

(When the zombie apocalypse comes, this woman must be kept alive at all costs,)
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November 26, 2020 8:33am
Philview

I see Stuff are discussing the idea of a tax on Boomers today. Is it April Fools day? No, so must be a serious article.
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November 26, 2020 8:40am
- Crossing The Bar
  
  Could be worse. They aren’t even in office yet but the Dems are already going full South Africa compelled land redistribution based on race. Post-inauguration (if that happens) could get very ugly if you are of the wrong colour.
  
  https://theredelephants.com/corey-booker-is-introducing-south-african-style-land-confiscation-bill-to-dispossess-whites-and-give-million-acres-in-land-to-black-farmers/
  
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  November 26, 2020 11:11am
  - Batman
    
    This is about as credible as a post from The Standard alleging a new War On The Poor by the ‘nasty Natz’ as they like to say.
    
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    November 26, 2020 1:15pm
    - Crossing The Bar
      
      How so? It’s all there in black and white. Read the article and do the maths. 1.6% of the continental US must (not may) be handed to black americans, and that’s just the first 10 years. The stated motivation is to address the phantasma of “systemic racism”
      
      “I’m proud to team up with @ewarren and @SenGillibrand to introduce the Justice for Black Farmers Act.
      
      We need to balance the scales after decades of systemic racism within @USDA have harmed Black farmers. https://t.co/aV7y8CcufX
      
      — Cory Booker (@CoryBooker) November 24, 2020
      
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      November 26, 2020 1:28pm
      - Batman
        
        So it’s actually all to do with USDA policies and not some sort of apartheid system, as was claimed.
        
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        November 26, 2020 5:03pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  A new tax on people born between 1944 and 1964.
  
  The Boomer tax would be used to help younger financially disadvantaged people.
  
  Many people already help their kids financially and this new tax could have a negative effect on that help. This tax would also reduce the value of any inheritance available to said children when the parents die.
  
  I don’t trust the government to fairly pass the tax along. I would rather do it myself.
  
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  November 26, 2020 1:10pm
Simon

Ardern is already a lame duck. Events are moving without regards to this Labo government. The “expert managerial class” are in control. Ardern is already thinking about her 2 month Xmas break.
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November 26, 2020 8:42am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/commercial-property/123503675/stride-property-asks-to-let-johnsonville-mall-site-be-developed-up-to-18-storeys-in-spatial-plan-submission
Council imposes a limit of 8 stories for new development.
Stride initially asks for 18 stories, but really would settle for 10 or 12.
Stick with the 8 stories, Council.
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November 26, 2020 8:45am
- oldfella
  
  Eighteen stories in a major earthquake zone like Wgton? Even with the latest building techniques, I wouldn’t want to be in it if a major quake hit.
  
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  November 26, 2020 11:18am
  - Faroffsound
    
    I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near an 18 storey building in J’ville, let alone in it, if there was even a medium sized quake.
    Especially as from memory there is a fault line running somewhere quite close to J’ville.
    Let’s hope the Council sees sense.
    
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    November 26, 2020 2:23pm
- greybeard
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/residential-property/123518116/housing-woes-cant-be-addressed-by-creating-stalinist-gothic-monstrosities-in-wellingtons-khandallah
  Just a bit more info on this topic.
  
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  November 26, 2020 4:56pm
Simon

The shit weight of the State. All fruit pickers can be found working in useless government departments. Close down all ‘non-essential’ government departments for six months. Get them fruit picking.

For eg.

https://www.govt.nz/organisations/ministry-for-women/

Go pick fruit.
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November 26, 2020 8:46am
- fernglas
  
  Why not just let the unemployed go and do the fruit picking without it affecting their benefits? Instant pay increase, which we are told will benefit the economy, no need to worry about losing the benefit and the growers get their fruit picked. Win-win
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:48am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Excellent suggestion.
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:28am
  - rockape
    
    Ecaus3 most unemployed are too sick or too lazy to work. That’s why they are on benefit!
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:23am
DeepBlue

Orr picks up the letter and whacks it straight back to Robertson with firepower. Do your own f**king job Labour, fiscal policy is far more effective than monetary policy.

Orr gleefully takes it as an open invitation to advise government on tax policy.

Now I don’t like more tax, but I do like someone publicly standing up to the government when they are trying to blame everyone but themselves.
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November 26, 2020 8:51am
- Philview
  
  I do wonder what has already been discussed in private and if this is just theatrical game playing for a hidden agenda. I don’t trust Grant Robertson.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:02am
Nigel Kearney

NIMBYs out in force, naturally. It’s right next to a train and bus connection and it’s not like anyone’s beautiful harbour view will be obstructed.

This is how cities need to accommodate all those who want to live there while keeping prices under control, retaining green space, and still having 500m plus sections for those who prefer that and want to pay for it.
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November 26, 2020 8:54am
hullkiwi

Time for some impertinent questions….

Background
Kelvin Davis is upset, in his words “Pene Henare has crossed lanes, is incorrect in what he says and should not interfere in matters that do not concern him”.

Spotting a spat between Maori Labour cabinet ministers, in wades Debbie Packer.

This was kicked off earlier this week by the naive (and out of his depth) Andrew Beacroft and his partner in crime the Assistant Child Commisioner (Maori), with their excuse of a report with solutions for resolving the issue of what to do with Maori children in state care.
Beacroft says it is bad, it is a Pakeha institutional solution to a problem that stems from colonisation and Maori subjugation. To resolve the problem we need Oranga Tamariki closed down, the resources given over to Maori and have a “By Maori, For Maori” solution.

And of course there are now calls for the head of Oranga Tamariki to go. Packer Wade’s in with the same, plus the Oranga Tamariki should be closed down, and the resorces transferred.

So, here are the impertinent questions:
1. Is Oranga Tamariki only looking after Maori children, or are other ethnicities involved?
2. If the answer Maori children only, why have all New Zealanders been subjected to 30 plus years of PC bulls*it about violence/neglect in ALL homes, when the authorities and the do-gooders have known where the problems are?;
3. Further to 2., why have the authorities and do-gooders wanted to really resolve the problem, are Maori infant and young children expendable?;
4. As for Beacroft’s (and the other do-gooders) solution of a By Maori, For Maori approach going to work, when we are told:
a) violence and neglect in a family is inter-generational -ie those having children are violent, drug and drink addicted and that was the culture they grew up in, so returning babies and young children to that environment is a good idea?
b) Many of the whanau and grandparents themselves are relatively young (late 30s to 60s) and are still of a working age. So what are they meant to do, stop working, look after the children of children they were violent towards or neglected and receive the benefit instead?

Then there are all the questions about accountability and responsibility.

None of this is a solution, it is but a fleet of ambulances at the bottom of the cliff taking away the next Maori child fatality.

When are people like Beacroft and co going to stop the whitewash (deliberate use of the word), and address the real issues in Maori families inadequate education attainment, violence, drink, drugs and their “Once were Warriors culture”? Putting children back into this mix will still result in dead children.

From what I can see, I believe Peters comments about the failures of Maori to care for their children were the only accurate comments he made in his 42 years of national politics.
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November 26, 2020 8:57am
- Catgurl13
  
  There is nothing stopping Maori from getting together and helping their own. But no they don’t bother.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:37am
  - Paulus
    
    Yes still very tribal in Maoridom remember.
    
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    November 26, 2020 2:40pm
- oldfella
  
  HK, would all Maori children automatically come under a newly formed Maori agency?
  And would Maori parents have the ability to opt out and go with the non-Maori option (as with the Maori electoral roles)?
  A lot of fishhooks in what’s being discussed.
  
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  November 26, 2020 11:26am
Catgurl13

This woman was painful to watch. What a load of nonsense she spouts along with that useless children’s commissioner.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/123509076/oranga-tamariki-boss-grainne-moss-praises-her-minister-kelvin-davis-who-wont-express-confidence-in-her
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November 26, 2020 9:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But she hasn’t buckled to the insane pressure she’s been placed under to resign.
  
  I wonder if most NZers are aware that Oranga Tamariki already contracts to/has partnerships with/works with some 500 Māori organisations.
  https://www.orangatamariki.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/About-us/Report-and-releases/Section-7AA-Report/Working-with-Iwi-and-Maori-Snapshot.pdf
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:44am
  - sooty
    
    She ain’t going till she gets the money!
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:04am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Yes, but how is that narrative spun to the wider public Maggy?
    
    Is it in a format that the Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand would be happy with or should it be transformed into something they could make political capital out of?
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:24am
otago-man

If printing money for the Govt. is such a good idea, why not abolish all taxes and just print money for all Govt. spending, while we are at it lets double the minimum wage and print the difference, in fact lets print $1000 a week for everyone and we will all be wealthy
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November 26, 2020 9:02am
- hullkiwi
  
  OM, you got it in one. No gold standard, the govt attempt at a balance sheet has been washed away. It is questionable they’ll ever repay the debt, so why keep the pretence of charging us taxes?
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:35am
  - tf78
    
    hullkiwi – I don’t think they give one iota about the debt because they are never going to have to pay it back.
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:37am
    - hullkiwi
      
      So why charge us tax? Problem is once there is “normality” we’ll start to see greater inflation.
      
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      November 26, 2020 1:05pm
  - Paulus
    
    One day soon all the billion Government debts will have to be written off as unrecoverable – ever.
    
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    November 26, 2020 2:42pm
Brian McDonald

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The Nats said the economy was going to crash and they needed to be voted in because they knew what they were doing. The signs are that it hasn’t crashed and that Robertson was right that there would be a bounce-back in GDP which there has.
I guess they had to say something but it now looks like they had no idea of what they were talking about and gifted credibility to Labour. That could be a mark against them at the next election. They’re looking increasingly rudderless in a changing world.
Conversely, Simon has kept a distance and has come through gaining credibility.
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November 26, 2020 9:04am
- cmm
  
  We aren’t broke because we got a second credit card with a bigger limit.
  
  Funny how their interventions cause problems and they think the cure is even more intervention.
  
  Well not really funny – not for the generations to come.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:17am
  - mark15
    
    More government never solved any problem in history nor will it.
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:24am
    - SB2
      
      Nor less government the same.
      
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      November 26, 2020 9:40am
    - IC5000
      
      Do you think the private sector would have defeated Hitler?
      
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      November 26, 2020 9:47am
      - cmm
        
        Bigger question:
        
        Would the private sector have created Hitler?
        
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        November 26, 2020 10:20am
      - yossarian
        
        Goodwin Law says you lose
        
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        November 26, 2020 10:21am
      - SB2
        
        cmm, nonsenical response!
        
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        November 26, 2020 10:29am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Do you really understand Bob Marley SB2? Try doing some more jammin’ man
        
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        November 26, 2020 11:34am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    So you’d be happy if exports weren’t up along with retailing and trucking KMs?
    More money coming in improved opportunity to pay down debt.
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:29am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The consequences of COVID are becoming more evident by the week. Sure, the economy had something of a bounce back with increased domestic spending, largely from people who had budgeted for overseas holidays.
    
    But ask any retailer how important Christmas is this year. The biggest issue is stock volumes; incoming stock is simply not arriving, and you can only sell items once. My wife and I looked at furniture at the weekend, and had the option of buying the item on the shop floor, or waiting until April at the earliest for new stock to arrive. What’s going to happen when the stores are empty, and there’s nothing to sell until the ships arrive? I think we all know the answer to that; more unemployment. Likewise to firms who rely on overseas raw materials for manufacturing, for the new and used vehicle industry, and of course we all know the problems facing the tourism and international education sectors, two of the biggest contributors to our economy.
    
    2020 has been a shit year, but 2021 is going to be even more challenging. I have little confidence in the Government’s ability to navigate through the “ one in 100 year shock”, as Grant Robertson repeatedly describes the current situation. As a business owner, My optimism for the next 12 to 18 months is as low as it’s been for some time.
    
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    November 26, 2020 9:46am
    - Southtop2
      
      But Tony this is business as usual for Harvey Norman. Boss got me to buy furniture to go under our new Archgola last year (early December). Was told none in store but some in other parts of the country 5-7 day wait. Called after 10 days to ask what the arrival date was – wanted for Xmas – was told by someone else that there were none in the country. Paid for when ordered – arrived mid February. Personally would have asked for money back but missus wanted the product.
      
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      November 26, 2020 9:55am
    - Inandout
      
      Tony, I think the supply ships are skipping NZ ports which means we are getting less goods for the big box stores. Labour didn’t have an election plank (other then C19) so they can’t be accused of going back on promises.
      
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      November 26, 2020 9:59am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      This stock supply problem is global. Lockdowns have ruined production and supply. The consequences are just beginning to show.
      More money printing will give more inflation and wage demands to be met out of more printing..(repeat until exhausted.)
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:43am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Or, repeat until Zimbabwe or Venezuela…
        
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        November 26, 2020 11:16am
- Yabster
  
  what dribble Brain- the banks and economist also said the economy will be negative and in one quarter it was terrible so the Nats etc where correct- the recovery has been quicker than expected but next year once reality sets in ie debt no more subsidies it could easily go negative- voters can’t remember what politicians say as of yesterday so you think that comment will be a mark against them- that complete rubbish. By then the socialist incompetents will have run the country into the ground and the Nats yet again will have to pick up the pieces.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:46am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The economy has started it’s downwards track.
  The wage price spiral which took out the 72 Kirk/Rowling Govt has started. The wild things are demand more pay with menaces. Maori are also running amuck having returned to their old tribal rules about property rights.
  This time next year this present govt will have retreated or been taken over.
  We are going to have to bring in measures to punish those who fail in their duty of care as MP’s.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:38am
- muppeth8r
  
  nz is living beyond its means. day of rekoning is guna happen within the decade
  
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  November 26, 2020 11:48am
- Faroffsound
  
  The economy hasn’t crashed – yet. There’s still plenty of time for that to happen.
  
  If or when it does it will be interesting to see how competent Labour is at keeping the team of five million afloat.
  
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  November 26, 2020 2:42pm
Swifty

World Famous Jockey Lyle Dorf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTCberFSFeM
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November 26, 2020 9:05am
Maggie Pie

Does anyone know what’s happened to that ‘Foot & Mouth’ outfit that used to send out packs of Christmas Cards?
We didn’t get any this year. Looks like I’ll have to go up to PaperPlus and buy a couple.
What a pain in the arse.
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November 26, 2020 9:15am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  They got elected to parliament?
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:24am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Nah. The Foot and Mouth painters have waaaay more selfrespect and productivity than to want to lower their standards to inhabit Parliament.
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:25am
Flossie

Meghan Markel and her husband’s quest for a “private life” is absolute nonsense. One in four pregnancies end in miscarriage and it’s a most unhappy outcome (and I am one statistic there). Sympathies to those who have suffered.
However the piece written by this woman reads like an overly dramatic soap opera script. To say it’s a taboo subject is also nonsense. Amongst a group of friends and relatives it’s hard to find a couple that hasn’t been through this experience but we have all talked together. Not necessary to share it on FB or other public space though.
True that people often don’t know the right words to say, but I’ve found many people also can’t find the words when speaking to a recently bereaved person.
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November 26, 2020 9:24am
- Flossie
  
  Yes I know… a miscarriage is a bereavement.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    But an abortion isn’t? How strange.
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:31am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      When someone tells me to wear a mask I tell them “my body my choice, and you have to pay”. After all – that’s the pro-abortionists’ mantra…
      
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      November 26, 2020 11:26am
- Catgurl13
  
  They are a couple of attention seeking twats who need publicity to pay for their lives. They are absolutely full if it.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:39am
- kloyd0306
  
  The odds are strong that those numpties who are so upset that Markel had a miscarriage are the same people who are pro-abortion.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:24am
  - lifesgood
    
    They simply can’t see how stupid they are, kloydo306…either it’s a baby to grieve for or it isn’t, can’t have it both ways.
    
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    November 26, 2020 4:15pm
Southtop2

With the Mosque report out today and some people already calling for hate speech legislation , I have been thinking that this may be a case of ‘careful what you wish for.’
There are certain religious scripts which call for the killing of people. Would these be banned under this legislation?
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November 26, 2020 9:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The mosque report is not “out” today; it’s only going to the Government for now. Then New Zealand’s “most open and transparent government ever“ will decide how much of it is redacted, sanitised and censored before it is released to the public on the day Parliament rises for the year. Labour won’t dare risk it being open for a debate in Parliament until after the Christmas recess.
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:51am
  - Catgurl13
    
    Exactly…..this govt won’t want it known that Cindy’s govt allowed Tarrant to get his license fast tracked online and his two gamer references that he didn’t actually really know outside of gaming,to be his character references.
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:06am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Can’t see much point in parliament holding a debate on it before Christmas. How about releasing the report, and coming back in the new year to discuss what, if anything, the government proposes to do in response?
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:30am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Because the Speaker would then be able to rule that the release of the report was no longer a matter requiring the urgent attention of the House.
      
      The Government will release the report after Parliament has risen, on a Friday afternoon, at a time when people’s thoughts have turned to Christmas and to summer holidays.
      
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      November 26, 2020 11:19am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Wow, you must be expecting a blockbuster report casting considerable shade on the government.
        
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        November 26, 2020 11:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The public won’t be seeing it (or bits of it) for a while yet.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/431472/royal-commission-into-terrorist-attack-on-christchurch-mosques-finally-handing-over-report
  
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  November 26, 2020 9:56am
emmess

Watch the testimonies from Giuliani and the other Trump team lawyers to the Pennsylvania legislature for yourselves before the legacy media and DPF spin it for us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ2fTf-wVxQ
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November 26, 2020 9:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oranga Tamariki damned if it places Māori children with non-Māori care-givers and damned if it removes tamariki from a stable, caring non-Māori home.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/oranga-tamariki-the-new-wave-of-trauma
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November 26, 2020 10:10am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  There is no situation that government bureaucracy cannot make worse.
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:55am
fernglas

Trump pardons Flynn.
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November 26, 2020 10:11am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Plenty more crooks will be rubbing their hands in anticipation…
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:32am
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, I can’t see Trump pardoning Hunter Biden, but the ‘big man’ probably will before he is retired. As an aside, this is a good 5 star retirement home:
    ‘Cadia Rehabilitation Silverside in Wilmington, DE has a short-term rehabilitation rating of High Performing and a long-term care rating of High Performing. It is a large facility with 128 beds and has for-profit, corporate ownership. Cadia Rehabilitation Silverside is not a part of a continuing care retirement community. It participates in Medicare and Medicaid’.
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:24am
- MCos
  
  “Trump pardons this fucking scumbag of a general, this faithless, traitorous piece of shit, this asshole who betrayed his oath and sold out America, right?But he destroyed Lt Col Vindman’s career for doing the right thing”
  
  https://twitter.com/stonekettle/status/1331732989680685057?s=21
  
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  November 26, 2020 12:08pm
  - Batman
    
    And a conspiracy theorist who took a ‘digital soldier’ pledge on 4 July with his family, in cahoots with the other whackos on the internet.
    
    He should be in jail for selling out his country, as the judge rightly said.
    
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    November 26, 2020 12:28pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/25/in-the-trump-era-the-media-abandoned-objectivity/?fbclid=IwAR1Tq6YNHJCt8l5zdH4UJ5Bqc5lU6Q76bfxH_-kxC8bwAUiBbtgz8zPn0xo
    
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    November 26, 2020 1:50pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    How did he sell out the US? Upon realising that the FBI were going after him under the Logan Act (which is a joke), he lied to protect himself from what would have been an unjust conviction (as shown by the fact they stepped away from doing him for that). It was wrong to lie, but as an offence, given that he hadn’t actually done anything wrong, it warrants less than a slap on the wrist and indicates that the FBI’s actions were actually political, not in the service of justice.
    
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    November 26, 2020 3:10pm
- curry4me
  
  fernglas: Thanks for that info. Well done Mr President.
  
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  November 26, 2020 12:22pm
Fletch

Has anyone tried the red dog toast? It’s like French toast but with condensed tomato soup instead of milk.

https://www.thekitchn.com/red-dog-toast-recipe-review-23109654
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November 26, 2020 10:14am
- Maggie Pie
  
  YUM – looks fab Fletch. Will give it a crack on the weekend.
  Anything done with burnt butter always sucks me in 😛
  
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  November 26, 2020 11:06am
  - Fletch
    
    Will look forward to your report 🙂
    
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    November 26, 2020 4:22pm
Critical Thinker

⭐⭐⭐
“It is my Great Honor to announce that General Michael T. Flynn has been granted a Full Pardon. Congratulations to @GenFlynn and his wonderful family, I know you will now have a truly fantastic Thanksgiving!”
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1331706255212228608
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November 26, 2020 10:16am
- Critical Thinker
  
  “Bringing to end a tumultuous four-year criminal case that felled the three-star general before prosecutors reversed course and declared they had improperly pursued his case.
  
  In May, Attorney General Bill Barr recommended that U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan reverse the Flynn conviction and drop the criminal charges, after Powell had discovered several incidents of the FBI overstepping is authority its authority in the Flynn matter and the larger Russia-Trump campaign collusion probe. The recommendation came an hour after the lead prosecutor in the case withdrew.
  
  The government said recent revelations from evidence withheld from the court for years warranted the dramatic recommendation, including that the FBI interview in which Flynn was accused of lying was not warranted by law – after agents had already concluded there was no criminal conduct or collusion with Russia by the retired general.
  
  FBI analysts working on the Flynn-Russia investigation originally planned to end the inquiry in fall 2016 and eventually bought liability insurance fearing they could be sued after their bosses continued to keep the investigation open based on “conspiracy theories.” ??
  https://justthenews.com/government/white-house/trump-pardons-michael-flynn-his-former-national-security-adviser
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:58am
- virtualmark
  
  Expected, but will now trigger at least three interesting legal questions.
  
  Firstly, Judge Sullivan will likely review and possibly challenge the pardon. He is allowed to, just as Judge Berman-Jackson is querying Stone’s commutation. A lawful power (the Presidential pardon) exercised for an unlawful purpose is a crime. For example if Trump was bribed to pardon a criminal then that pardon would be the fruit of an illegal act, and so unlawful. Or if Trump conspired with someone to commit a crime but promised a pardon then that pardon would be part of a criminal conspiracy and so unlawful.
  
  Secondly, a pardon means the accused loses their 5th Amendment rights to not testify. So Flynn can now be compelled to testify about his role in the crimes he is pardoned for. If he doesn’t, or lies, then that’s criminal again but now outside the pardon.
  
  Thirdly, it will be interesting to see if the FBI or other states (for example Pennsylvania) have been keeping back charges against Flynn until after the expected pardon. They could easily charge him with more crimes (for example conspiracy to kidnap Gulen) after 20 January.
  
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  November 26, 2020 11:23am
  - Don Beckett
    
    He committed no crimes.
    
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    November 26, 2020 12:48pm
    - virtualmark
      
      In 1915 the Supreme Court said that accepting a pardon carries “a confession of guilt” (Burdick v. US, 1915).
      
      Other courts have echoed that since.
      
      If Flynn hasn’t committed any crimes then there is no need for an indictment let alone a pardon. If Flynn was indicted but found not guilty then there is no need for a pardon.
      
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      November 26, 2020 1:06pm
    - Batman
      
      Found guilty twice. So that’s actually two sets of crimes and not “no crimes” as you allege.
      
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      November 26, 2020 1:22pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        So BM, do you believe Arthur Allan Thomas is a murderer? That’s your logic apparently…. you need to understand that being found guilty is not the same as being guilty…
        
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        November 26, 2020 1:29pm
      - Batman
        
        I’m not old enough to give a rats about the Thomas case. That’s more for older folks to debate.
        
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        November 26, 2020 5:02pm
Vory v zakone

Meanwhile
‘It is my Great Honor to announce that General Michael T. Flynn has been granted a Full Pardon. Congratulations to @GenFlynn and his wonderful family, I know you will now have a truly fantastic Thanksgiving!’

President Donald J Trump

#thebestisyettocome ?
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November 26, 2020 10:20am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Flynn is key to a Special Forces international operation that will happen in the near future. Expect more mouth frothing and exploding heads from the Trump haters ?
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:41am
  - Batman
    
    Vory are you referencing the storm?
    
    Go on… Don’t be shy
    
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    November 26, 2020 10:42am
    - C J Southern
      
      This lot are nuttier than a portaloo at a peanut convention.
      
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      November 26, 2020 4:43pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    That’s the Vor Game 🙂
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:28am
Maggie Pie

Sounds like we’re going out for dinner tonite.
Just got a txt from my partner telling me to be shovel ready by 6.

(A- hole)
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November 26, 2020 10:27am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Digging a hangi?
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:32am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😛
    
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    November 26, 2020 1:02pm
Tom Barker

What’s next on the Trump and Rudy Show today?
Someone was supposed to Release the Kraken –
will it prove to be an orange lobster with dye running down its face?
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November 26, 2020 10:35am
- Batman
  
  Well he’s just pardoned the traitor Michael Flynn.
  
  The reality show is beginning to jump the shark in its final few episodes
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:38am
  - virtualmark
    
    We’re in the corrupt pardons phase of the Trump presidency (which tells you Trump knows he’s lost to Biden).
    
    Next is the white Bronco phase.
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:09am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Again, please advise how he’s actually a traitor? My understanding is that his only “crime” was lying to the FBI about something they knew to be inaccurate.
    
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    November 26, 2020 3:12pm
    - Batman
      
      On behalf of myself and MCos, go and look up the sentencing document. It is publicly available.
      
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      November 26, 2020 5:14pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Flynn was the subject of both a criminal case and a counter-intelligence case. He basically plea bargained with the FBI to cooperate in the broader Trump-Russia counterintel investigation and in return the FBI dropped the counterintel charges against him and reduced the criminal ones to two charges of lying to the FBI, which he then plead guilty too (twice).
      
      He subsequently had a change of heart about those guilty pleas, when being advised by chief Kraken keeper Sidney Powell. Who has recently made clear that she is stark raving mad.
      
      The Judge in his criminal case – who will have seen the counterintel charges & evidence as part of the plea deal – said to Flynn at his sentencing that he was a traitor who had betrayed his country.
      
      Trump has now pardoned Flynn on the criminal charges.
      
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      November 26, 2020 10:25pm
  - RJ
    
    Perhaps you should ask him to pardon you.
    
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    November 26, 2020 4:56pm
    - Batman
      
      Not even a parking ticket to pardon me for ?
      
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      November 26, 2020 5:34pm
      - Inandout
        
        Bat, how do you get to school then if not by car? Cars normally attract tickets.
        
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        November 26, 2020 5:49pm
      - Batman
        
        I don’t speed or park illegally… Is that unusual or just you? ?
        
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        November 26, 2020 5:52pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  PA fraud proven: check
  PA court stops certification: check
  NV court approves investigation into ballots: check
  MI court recommends full audit: check
  Great patriot General Michael Flynn pardoned: check
  
  A VERY good day so far for the good guys I must say ??
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:45am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Today at the Pennsylvania election hearings, we learned that 1.8 million absentee ballots were mailed out for the 2020 election
    
    Do you know how many were counted?
    
    2.5 million ?
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:11am
    - Batman
      
      Heheheh, Rudy can’t do maths as well as hair dying.
      
      They’re comparing different types of mail ballot and requested / absentee.
      
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      November 26, 2020 1:33pm
  - fernglas
    
    I see the others, but don’t get the reference to PA fraud proven. Do you have a link?
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:30am
  - fernglas
    
    Also, I see that PA had already certified the result, and the injunction only stops them from taking any further steps which may be needed to perfect the certification, so it looks to be an empty exercise
    
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    November 26, 2020 11:38am
    - dcrane
      
      Not empty if they can produce enough evidence to put the state’s outcome into doubt, *and* if the national GOP is willing to fight on Trump’s behalf as a result. The latter part may be the larger hurdle, since most of the powerful in the Republican Party have wanted to see the back of Trump since 2015.
      
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      November 26, 2020 1:05pm
    - C J Southern
      
      Add to that the fact that that ruling has already been put on hold by their supreme court …
      
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      November 26, 2020 4:46pm
- Fletch
  
  Release the Kraaken!
  
  https://images2.imagebam.com/40/6b/db/ef094f1360866400.jpg
  
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  November 26, 2020 10:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Be patient, there are multiple teams all with strong cases requiring answers.
  
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  November 26, 2020 11:07am
- RJ
  
  Don’t worry, Sydney is about to file tonight her time, lots of information for you to go over once she has. Such entertaining times
  
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  November 26, 2020 4:56pm
I remember when

Bank of Japan, US Federal Reserve and European Central Banks are working on ways to operate a digital currency.
The suggestion is that it is an attempt to spark inflation as a way to reduce the ‘insurmountable global debt mountain.’
To ensure stable and efficient payment and settlement systems it is considered important to ‘prepare thoroughly.’
A digital currency appeals to Banks and Governments because you can’t hoard or hide your money. They can track what you do and tax you more efficiently.
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November 26, 2020 10:41am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, lol, the drug dealers will sideline this stupid idea.
  
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  November 26, 2020 11:28am
Batman

Trump pardons Flynn.

Now we’ll get to see the Anons frothing at the mouth, and possibly see who here is a secret Q follower ?
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November 26, 2020 10:43am
- dcrane
  
  Makes sense for Flynn to be pardoned. He was set up and then prosecuted entirely as a result of a political scheme to hobble Trump’s presidency.
  
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  November 26, 2020 1:03pm
  - Batman
    
    He committed crimes separate to that. His crimes were the genesis of the proven Russia investigation.
    
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    November 26, 2020 4:59pm
    - dcrane
      
      Sorry you’ll need to explain that.
      
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      November 26, 2020 6:40pm
Alan Wilkinson

All you need to know about climate “science” in one headline:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/123392866/climate-researchers-are-universities-most-frequent-flyers
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November 26, 2020 10:45am
- JackRabbit
  
  Both Al Gore and Obama, two of the world’s top climate change evangelists, warn of rising safe levels and the need to reduce carbon footprints.
  
  Both live in beachfront mansions with massive carbon footprints that would power a small town.
  
  Rotten to the core.
  
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  November 26, 2020 1:32pm
I remember when

So if Oranga Tamariki removes a 50% Maori/50% European child from European foster parents – will that cause trauma?
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November 26, 2020 10:46am
- Surely Knott
  
  If Oranga Tamariki removes multiple children from a family and due to different fathers they have different ethnicities. What then? Do they get split into different homes to match their ethnicities.
  
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  November 26, 2020 1:25pm
Maggie Pie

What chances Kim Dotcom getting a Presidential Pardon.
Didn’t Sleepy Joe make a special trip down here on behalf of his Hollywood donors to discuss KDC’s extradition with JK?

Asking for a friend.
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November 26, 2020 10:54am
- IC5000
  
  > What chances Kim Dotcom getting a Presidential Pardon?
  
  100% if he becomes a platinum member of the Trump presidential library fund
  
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  November 26, 2020 12:30pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    To be honest IC, i don’t understand your specific kind of stupid.
    But i do admire your commitment to it.
    
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    November 26, 2020 1:08pm
    - IC5000
      
      There are no stupid answers only stupid questions.
      
      What do you expect from a ‘billionaire’ who launches an email appeal to his followers to fund his lame ass legal challenges
      
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      November 26, 2020 1:50pm
      - muppeth8r
        
        A genius
        
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        November 26, 2020 11:35pm
dcrane

Lots of focus on Pennsylvania today, but Nevada also has interesting things happening: The claim that large numbers of absentee ballot signatures were not validated by a human as (allegedly) required by law.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/huge-court-win-lets-trump-present-ballot-evidence-could-overturn-nevada-result
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November 26, 2020 11:31am
- dcrane
  
  And Wisconsin
  
  https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/11/25/285081-n285081
  
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  November 26, 2020 12:43pm
oldfella

Woke crybabies try to censor Jordan Peterson. Cut from the same cloth as the bunch who tried it on with J.B. Rowling…
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/jordan-peterson-crybaby-stalinists-penguin-random-house/
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November 26, 2020 11:46am
- JackRabbit
  
  If the woke crybabies continue like that, it will result in book burning and them being out of a job:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451
  
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  November 26, 2020 1:41pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V4buEgPYAY

U.S. Big Tech Has a Big China Problem.

Big Tech companies have a BIG China problem. China uses slave labor in manufacturing. And Big Tech companies, like Apple and Intel have supply chains in China. That means their stuff is often made by prison labor or slave labor, often from the Uyghur Muslims, a persecuted minority from Xinjiang. And rather than dealing with supply chain issues, Big Tech companies are actively lobbying the US Senate to water down the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act, which would mean big trouble for Big Tech companies caught using Uyghur slave labor in their production lines. Its just one more example of how the US China economy creates some interesting moral dilemmas for Americans.
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November 26, 2020 11:50am
curry4me

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nevada-judge-agrees-to-hear-evidence-of-alleged-voter-fraud_3592872.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-25-1

Nevada Judge Agrees to Hear Voter Fraud Evidence.

A judge in Nevada has agreed to a court date next month to hear from Republicans who allege widespread voter fraud.
First Judicial District Court Judge James Russell set a Dec. 3 evidentiary hearing in the case, which is being presented by President Donald Trump’s campaign.
Up to 15 witnesses may be deposed in the case, the judge said on Tuesday.
Nothing to see here folks. Move along. CNN, and CNN 2.0 [Fox] told me so.
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November 26, 2020 11:51am
oldfella

“Legislation introduced in the Victorian Government today could see Christians hit with heavy fines and lengthy jail times for attempting to convert LGBTQ people to Christianity or teaching certain portions of the Bible.
The Change or Suppression (Conversion) Practices Prohibition Bill 2020 will empower the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission to investigate reports of “conversion therapy” practices which may include activities as simple as prayer.”
https://caldronpool.com/new-legislation-could-see-christians-in-victoria-jailed-for-10-years-for-attempting-to-convert-people/
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November 26, 2020 12:11pm
- Sigmund Freud
  
  PHARAOH rises from the pyramid.
  
  There will be consequences. We already have the plague.
  
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  November 26, 2020 12:50pm
  - Batman
    
    I thought you were leaving KB, sigmund?
    
    As for the Bill, good! Bible bashers shouldn’t be able to guilt and blackmail people into mental torture.
    
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    November 26, 2020 12:53pm
  - Swifty
    
    FFS.
    
    Snigger…
    
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    November 26, 2020 3:36pm
- Crossing The Bar
  
  Why? Seems hypocritical. The Christian-haters routinely convert vulnerable people with mental issues to transgenderism and the like.
  
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  November 26, 2020 12:59pm
- Inandout
  
  oldfella, so it is OK to feel the need to physically harm or kill gender?, but not attempt to convert them. Victoria is home to the weirdest Premier ever to grace that State.
  
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  November 26, 2020 3:48pm
rouppe

Re-education campus on their way in Hong Kong
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November 26, 2020 12:22pm
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300168280/government-to-declare-climate-change-emergency-in-parliament-next-week

Thank god, this will save us all…
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November 26, 2020 12:42pm
- sooty
  
  Only the selected ones!
  
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  November 26, 2020 1:22pm
  - sooty
    
    3hrs 38 min later, still waiting!
    
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    November 26, 2020 5:00pm
- alloytoo
  
  I don’t think they understand what the word “emergency” means. (or climate for that matter).
  
  Perhaps we should start a petition calling for the climate to be restored to temperatures in the pre-Industrial age Circa 950-1200AD.
  
  Submit it in crayon as usual.
  
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  November 26, 2020 1:29pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Of course, like the 80,000 that were going to to die from Covid, it will all be theatre.
  
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  November 26, 2020 1:43pm
Maggie Pie

Thort the group might be interested…..

My partner just txt he put 3 big ones on the AB’s @5- 1 for 12 & over from his man in Oz.

Hope that makes sense?
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November 26, 2020 1:24pm
- sooty
  
  Tell’um, he’s dreaming!!
  
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  November 26, 2020 4:58pm
Surely Knott

From Newshub “The issue of National’s diversity came up again earlier this week when Magic Talk’s Peter Williams said photos he saw of delegates at the party’s AGM at the weekend depicted “a hell of a lot of sameness” and lots of middle-aged white men.”
“The AM Show host Bridge pushed Collins on the matter again on Wednesday morning, asking her what she would do to ensure the National will look more diverse. He agreed with Williams’ point, saying the party looks “on camera” like lots of white people.””
“Well, actually, come back to The AM Show, how do you look?” Collins responded.
“Well, I’m gay – so that counts for something,” Bridge shot back.”

Who won that round? Surely National.
Bridges complained people at the AGM ” looked white on camera”. And then says his white program is ok because he is gay. But he is judging National specifically and only how they look and saying that their life experiences or different outlooks count for nothing, but his life experience because of his sexual orientation makes him diverse despite him looking like a white male on camera. There are many different life experiences. Labour should look at how many rural people they have on their team. Or how many people have worked in business, farming, the trades or the military. How many have struggled with a learning disorder like dyslexia or a disability. Colour isn’t the only difference. All difference isn’t about how you look.
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November 26, 2020 1:39pm
I remember when

Watched two ‘migrant’ care workers with their wheelchair bound charges at a function at the week-end.
It quickly became obvious why their services are in such high demand.
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November 26, 2020 2:33pm
Maggie Pie

Just watched the first half-hour of the ‘Address & Reply’ debate.

My partner thinks that Muslim guy Ibrahim Omer will be worth keeping an eye on.
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November 26, 2020 2:34pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Looks like the Maori Party will be spice of life this Parliamentary term…
  
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  November 26, 2020 3:46pm
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, we should have a lot of fun watching parliament this term. Bring on the clowns!
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300168542/mori-party-storm-out-of-parliaments-first-session-protest-tyranny-of-our-democracy
  
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  November 26, 2020 4:09pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  He worked as a cleaner at Vic Uni then put himself through.
  
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  November 26, 2020 4:21pm
I remember when

If cargo vessels are sitting at anchorage in Auckland for up to ten days –
Exporters are waiting an extra 10 days for payment.
Exporters will be having to control their production to prevent storage problems.
Off site storage will be adding to their costs.
Inland port facilities will stretched to capacity.
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November 26, 2020 2:42pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Think of the demurrage charges on containers etc.
  
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  November 26, 2020 7:59pm
Deagle

Not looking forward to 3 more years of this.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300168542/mori-party-storm-out-of-parliaments-first-session-protest-tyranny-of-our-democracy
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November 26, 2020 4:00pm
Fletch

re: Flynn – remember we know Obama and Biden were in on the scheme to set him up, after Comey said his call was “totally legit”.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/comey-told-obama-that-flynns-conversations-with-russian-ambassador-appear-legit-according-to-strzok-notes/

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/05/07/new-doj-documents-show-president-obama-was-in-on-the-flynn-takedown-n2568420

https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/fbi-agents-tried-to-get-flynn-to-lie-to-get-him-fired-report/
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November 26, 2020 4:29pm
- Batman
  
  Yeah they wanted to know who this fuckstick was that was endangering national security in order to make a buck.
  
  Turns out it was Putin’s dinner buddy.
  
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  November 26, 2020 5:30pm
  - Inandout
    
    Bat, you get really nasty when cornered, simmer down.
    
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    November 26, 2020 5:54pm
    - Batman
      
      I’m sure Mr Flynn is not worries about a random on a Kiwi.. Blog.
      
      Besides, I swear like a sailor so don’t read too much into it!
      
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      November 26, 2020 5:59pm
Suze Wainwright

How long before the media narrative will be: ‘Poor Cindy, it’s really not her fault – her caucus is simply too big to possibly manage; and those Greens and that Maori Party… they really are uncouth, aren’t they?’
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November 26, 2020 4:39pm
oldfella

Wasn’t this vaccine ‘success’ story leading the news a couple of days back? Hmm, maybe needs more work.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300168522/covid19-experts-question-vaccine-trial-results-after-astrazeneca-manufacturing-error
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November 26, 2020 4:41pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington/123521090/hundreds-of-public-servants-evacuated-due-to-smoke-from-basement-burnouts
Aha !
One of Nanaia’s cuzzies doing some sort of celebration !
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November 26, 2020 4:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“The tyranny of our democracy for minority parties

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/431521/maori-party-mps-walk-out-of-parliament-in-protest

The Māori Party has only itself to blame if it only got 2 MPs…

Perhaps it could try to put up candidates in electorates that people want to vote for.
Perhaps it should put up policies people want to vote for.
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November 26, 2020 5:02pm
- Swifty
  
  They haven’t even got their feet under the desk and there they go with the extreme, wailing speech.
  
  “We decided that we didn’t want to participate in a system that actually is based on being very unfair,” Waititi said.
  
  No, it is not unfair – the rules apply to everybody.
  
  “The tyranny of our democracy for minority parties – it’s absolutely disgraceful to be quite honest.”
  
  What would they prefer; a tyranny by the minority?
  
  “We were shocked and deeply disturbed to learn that we would not have an opportunity, as all other party leaders had, to speak in the Address In Reply debate in response to the prime minister’s agenda…”
  
  What are you saying? That no-one in the Maori Party knows Parliament’s rules? Why don’t you know them?
  
  “Ngarewa Packer said this was “yet another example of the Māori voice being silenced and ignored”.
  
  Now that’s where you are being bloody nasty and looking for dragons where none exist; as well as being highly offensive in labelling our ‘system’ racist when it is not. Again, the rules apply to everybody and the fact that it is being applied to the Maori Party has nothing to do with being Maori.
  
  Cheers Debbie. Parliament has hardly started and already you’re showing us who and what you are.
  
  Good to know.
  
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  November 26, 2020 5:46pm
emmess

Can somebody explain to me what General Michael Flynn actually did?
All I have seen that he lied to the FBI (which yes is a crime) but what did he lie about that was so bad? I can’t seem to find a proper explanation anywhere.
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November 26, 2020 5:07pm
- Batman
  
  Here you go, fresh today:
  
  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trump-pardoned-flynn-protect-himself/617220/
  
  “One potential answer, I would propose, is that Sessions and Flynn lied about their conversations with Kislyak precisely because they were not in the loop on Trump’s other contacts with Russia. They knew that the swirling Trump-Russia scandal was lethally radioactive. They did not know exactly where the radioactivity was centered. They lied to protect the group secret, without themselves knowing what the group secret was. They lied about their own contacts with the Russian ambassador because they intuited that there was some terrible truth about Russia that Trump would want concealed. And because they did not know that truth, they lied extravagantly and excessively, when a guiltier person might have lied more strategically and precisely.”
  
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  November 26, 2020 5:51pm
  - emmess
    
    But the whole Russia Hoax was a big nothing burger. Yeah so I agree, he lied but he lied about nothing of consequence.
    
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    November 26, 2020 6:08pm
  - dcrane
    
    note the “I would propose”, and the fact that this long-winded explanation is consistent with the conclusion that there was no reason to worry about Flynn’s discussions with his counterpart, which were appropriate for an incoming administration figure at his level.
    
    Btw, didn’t the agents who spoke with Flynn later state that they did not believe Flynn intended to deceive them? Hasn’t James Comey himself ducked the question of whether Flynn lied, when asked publicly?
    
    The whole Russia thing was a disingenuous setup. I’m glad Trump pardoned him. If there was something to go after Flynn for, it was that weird kidnapping involving Turkey…
    
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    November 26, 2020 8:53pm
- Fletch
  
  His “lie” was pretty much something he couldn’t remember. You can be charged for “lying” to the FBI even though it was not a serious lie. That is the Flynn case in a nutshell. He couldn’t remember, or was inaccurate, and the FBI attempted to trip him up.
  
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  November 26, 2020 6:00pm
- Inandout
  
  cmmess, here is a sane evaluation.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FANHVP69doU
  
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  November 26, 2020 6:16pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Six of the Paki cricket team have tested positive for Covid …. 4 have already broken protocol

With nearly 400,000 cases in their own country, and about 8000 deaths, just how important was a silly game of cricket right now!??

Just saying
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November 26, 2020 5:34pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I wonder if personal hygeine has any bearing on Covid?
  
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  November 26, 2020 5:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Do you think they got the memo about washing their left hand?
    
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    November 26, 2020 6:41pm
    - sooty
      
      Deport them tomorrow!
      
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      November 26, 2020 7:33pm
- greybeard
  
  Well bugger me !
  What a surprise !
  
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  November 26, 2020 7:39pm
Fletch

Here we go – more liberal bullshit.

“Jacinda Ardern to declare climate emergency on behalf of New Zealand next week”

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/jacinda-ardern-declare-climate-emergency-behalf-new-zealand-next-week

What a load of bollocks. How about getting the economy moving again before tackling an imaginary problem?
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November 26, 2020 5:51pm
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, it takes the pleb’s minds off important things like the economy. Oh, and the DomPost will be thrilled.
  
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  November 26, 2020 5:58pm
- Ceepar
  
  I wonder how much borrowed money this is going to cost the taxpayers?
  
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  November 26, 2020 7:14pm
RJ

Sydney’s first case filed

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf
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November 26, 2020 6:14pm
- RJ
  
  As explained and demonstrated in the accompanying redacted
  declaration of a former electronic intelligence analyst under 305th Military Intelligence with experience gathering SAM missile system electronic intelligence, the Dominion software was accessed by agents acting on behalf of China and Iran in order to monitor and manipulate elections, including the most recent US general election in 2020. This Declaration further includes a copy of the patent records for Dominion Systems in which Eric Coomer is listed as the first of the inventors of Dominion Voting Systems. (See Attached hereto as Exh. 8, copy of redacted witness affidavit, 17 pages, November 23, 2020).
  
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  November 26, 2020 7:00pm
- RJ
  
  Moreover, lies and conduct of Fulton County election workers about a
  delay in voting at State Farm Arena and the reasons for it evince the fraud. 11.
  Specifically, video from the State Farm Arena in Fulton County shows that on November 3rd after the polls closed, election workers falsely claimed a water leak required the facility to close. All poll workers and challengers were evacuated for several hours at about 10:00 PM. However, several election workers remained unsupervised and unchallenged working at the computers for the voting tabulation machines until after 1:00 AM.
  
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  November 26, 2020 7:17pm
- RJ
  
  An Affiant testified, that while at the Audit, ‘While in Henry County,
  I personally witnessed ballots cast for Donald Trump being placed in the pile for Joseph Biden. I witnessed this happen at table “A”’. (See attached hereto as Exh. 22, Kevin Peterford, at par. 29). Another Affiant testified, that “I witnessed two poll workers placing already separated paper machine receipt ballots with barcodes in the Trump tray, placing them in to the Biden tray. I also witnessed the same two poll workers putting the already separated paper receipt abllots in the “No Vote” and “Jorgensen” tray, and removing them and putting them inside the Biden tray, They then took out all of the ballots out of the Biden tray and stacked them on the table, writing on the count ballot sheet. (See Exh. 17, Johnson, pars. 4-5).
  
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  November 26, 2020 7:30pm
- dcrane
  
  Only just begun reading, but this is the first time I’ve heard about this: (don’t know if it’s true)
  
  “Specifically, video from the State Farm Arena in Fulton County [Georgia] shows that on November 3rd after the polls closed, election workers falsely claimed a water leak required the facility to close. All poll workers and challengers were evacuated for several hours at about 10:00 PM. However, several election workers remained unsupervised and unchallenged working at the computers for the voting tabulation machines until after 1:00 AM. “
  
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  November 26, 2020 8:39pm
- muppeth8r
  
  Awsome, there are some reasonable requests in there (security footage etc) that if theres nothing to hide then should be no problems handing it over and to fight that would imply guilt and fuel conspiracy.
  
  whats the bet the cameras were like the ones in epstiens cell and just convientently not working and no one noticed.
  
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  November 26, 2020 11:47pm
Engelbert Humperdink

The first stirring of the kraken? Hmmmm. Interesting if lengthy read.

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf
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November 26, 2020 6:48pm
RJ

An interesting post from Adam Housley

One of the claims by Powell I have looked into…the claim a location was raided in Germany with servers. I have 3 sources on this…all as solid as they come. Here is what I have found:

1.There is/was a clandestine location in Frankfurt run by CIA used to monitor/manipulate elections around globe. 2.That location did have servers & a front company as cover. 3.I cannot confirm the location was tied to U.S. elections. 4. One source says raided, 2 don’t know

https://twitter.com/adamhousley/status/1330214122508718085
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November 26, 2020 7:49pm
RJ

Sydney has now filed her second case

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Michigan-Complaint.pdf
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