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PhilBest

Here’s how the non-Vichy “right” in the USA talks.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/415183/

NOVEMBER 20, 2020
I DON’T WANT TO READ ANOTHER ANALYSIS OF “WHY TRUMP LOST” BECAUSE HONESTLY? ALL INDICATIONS ARE TRUMP NOT ONLY DIDN’T LOSE. HE OUTSTRIPPED THE WIN THAT THE DEMS COUNTED ON SO MUCH THEY HAD TO BE BLATANT IN THEIR FRAUD:

“Giuliani Highlights Vote Fraud as Well as Corporate Media Corruption in Fiery Press Conference”.

And the reason I don’t want to hear it is because this is not remotely about Trump anymore. This is about us, and our right to representation. This is about a Republic if we can keep it. So stop rolling over, because rolling over is going to get you under the boot of the global oligarchy. You’re Americans. Remember that. Stand on two.

This is no time to be “reasonable.” Mr. Reasonable has left the room. And he’s taken Ms. Conciliatory with him.
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November 22, 2020 8:02am
- SB2
  
  PhilBest, herein lies the locus of the real problem,
  
  Covid-19 Highlights Trump’s Malignant Narcissism — and Proves Americans Will Survive Despite Him
  
  The president’s first response to every crisis is to insist on complete authority, while at the same time abandoning all responsibility.
  
  https://theintercept.com/2020/04/22/trump-coronavirus-governors/
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:16am
  - Caine9
    
    It genuinely astonishes me the the level of support for Trump even here.
    This is a man who really doesn’t give a shit about America, the free world, free trade, anything other than what feeds his pocket and his adoration. He doesn’t care about the Constitution, the rule of law (other than how he can twist and abuse it for his advantage), yet still the apologists and adorers believe the crap he spews. Unbelievable. Normal rational people turning doolally.
    It’s pretty obvious the Democrats don’t have much of a clue, but at least they will stop the current toxicity for now.
    
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    November 22, 2020 12:06pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      “It’s pretty obvious the Democrats don’t have much of a clue, but at least they will stop the current toxicity for now.’
      Yes the Dems don’t have a clue.
      BUT
      It was the Dems/Bernie Sanders etc attacking queues of TRUMP supporters while standing PEACEFULLY in queues to see him speak.
      It was Dems who supported the burning of city centres
      It was Dems who supported the defunding of police
      It was Dems who refused federal support for covid19
      each thing they accused the President and GOP of, was something they themselves were actually doing.
      It was a GOP senator who was shot by a Dems supporter.
      
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      November 22, 2020 1:11pm
    - artemisia
      
      That toxicity started with #notmypresident. And grew.
      
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      November 22, 2020 1:27pm
    - IC5000
      
      I think they know deep down what kind of man Trump is but they can’t handle their judgement to questioned so they have no choice to continue to support Trump for the sake of their ego. I actually pity them.
      
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      November 22, 2020 1:58pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    “The president’s first response to every crisis is to insist on complete authority” Bull. What a badly written fact-less hyperbolic TDS article. I have read the article and it doesn’t name a single example of when trump required complete authority. It says , “His first response to every crisis is to insist on complete authority, while at the same time abandoning all responsibility. Despite his inaction and incompetence, he won’t relinquish control over the government’s resources to those who know how to use them.”
    
    Why would he relinquish control. He is the elected president. He is in control of certain resources. The states have their own rights, resources and authority and make their own decisions. And then the author claims the problem is inaction which is the polar opposite of authoritarianism. This guy has no facts.
    
    Meanwhile in NZ, The Covid 19 Public Health legislation passed in NZ is far more authoritarian than any action taken by the federal government in the United States, a country which is further protected by the fact that it is a system of governance checks and balances. And then what about the captains call to prevent further oil exploration. That is an example of authoritarianism. Because a single person can make a sweeping call that affects the country without any process or checks and balances.
    
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    November 22, 2020 1:24pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Yes. It’s utterly superficial to focus only on Trump and all of his faults without understanding that, unlikely as it may seem, he is the dam holding back a tide of anti-American, post-national, Globalist special interests who will finish off the last vestiges of the traditional US nation. It’s not Democrats v Republicans, it’s Trump versus the Globalists on both sides. There will never ever be a “respectable” and “moderate” Republican elected to the Presidency again. A Biden administration will act to prevent that possibility. It’s Trump or the corrupt Democrats, end of story.
  
  Biden will implement the Great Reset and will show the way for Ardern doing exactly the same thing here. Spouting petty bullshit about Trump’s tweeting habits and assigning oneself imagined moral superiority is a sign that those doing so have utterly no clue about what is at stake here. We get it: you have been programmed to hate Trump. Suck it up or you will be a slave to a cabal of faceless unaccountable bureaucrats funded and owned by mega-wealthy oligarchs who will take your wealth and what remains of your personal freedom.
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:45am
- PhilBest
  
  Great long read from Angelo Codevilla:
  
  https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/20/from-ruling-class-to-oligarchy/
  
  “By its campaign and conduct of the 2020 election, the ruling class ceased pretending to be part of a constitutional republic. By treating fellow Americans as inferiors through word and deed, its members renounced their common citizenship with us. Eschewing persuasion, they set about compelling obedience to an openly manipulated election…”
  
  “…election officials in places controlled by the Left stopped counting until it was clear how many ballots it would take for Trump to be defeated. The requisite number came, filled out by no one knows who. And then . . . who wouldn’t have predicted it? The call came from all of society’s commanding heights: Trump’s defeat had been declared. By whom? By the folks on these varied heights—certainly not by the authorities designated by the Constitution to decide who wins and loses.
  
  But the more instances of fraud the Trump campaign sought to investigate, the louder and from more sources sounded the judgment that there was nothing to investigate. It had been decided. You peons shut up and obey. That is how oligarchies work…”
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:29am
Lee C

Watch and share, I’d recommend.

https://www.facebook.com/malvind.borresen/videos/5498625673497034

“When human societies lose their freedom, it’s not usually because tyrants have taken it away. It’s usually because people have willingly surrendered their freedom, in return for protection from some external threat.”
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November 22, 2020 8:12am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It’s my guess that the tyrants are the ones offering the “protection.”
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:18am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Authoritarians don’t always wear jackboots and walk around with weapons. That was the past. Now they walk around in birkenstocks, eliminate or suppress and dismiss dissenting opinions while pumping officially sanctioned propaganda incessantly into our homes and imploring the team of 5 million to be kind to one another. They also say things like “we can dismiss” regarding the authoritarion actions they have already taken. People will scoff, but they always do until it’s too late.
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:51am
  - Nickc2
    
    They also indoctrinate our children. This is done by way of like thinking school teachers and university lecturers. It’s happening here now and our government is conveniently turning a blind eye because it suits their cause.
    How many salary increases has this government rewarded our union-controlled school teachers since they have been in power?
    
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    November 22, 2020 12:08pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Yes. Many impressionable tweenies have been taught to reject the idea of personal liberty and responsibility (intimately related concepts), hate these “western” (i.e. racist) ideas and yearn for the dominating fist of the State visiting itself upon their delicate parts, including the contents of their craniums.
      
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      November 22, 2020 1:24pm
Yvette

Two further factors in Pike River coverage persist – that devastating “facts”continue to emerge – like “Police have lost evidence” – and that so often it is Newshub, following the tradition of TV3, that releases the “leak” or information –

Tonnes of concrete poured into ‘critically important’ Pike River Mine air feed where miners could have gathered – Electrical expert
An expert investigating the Pike River mine disaster has claimed a mine manager pumped tonnes of concrete into a vital air feed, likely where the miners gathered after the first explosion, “completely obliterating” evidence …
Electrical engineer Richard Healey, who spent two years helping the families investigate, appeared on Newshub Nation on Saturday claiming 350 cubic tonnes of concrete was poured into the mine.
“We have the invoices for the material, 105 tonnes shipped from Australia in seven shipping containers. We have eyewitness testimony from people who put material down the shaft, the process took three days. We know that the contract which was signed to do that specified that 350 cubic metres of material would be used.”
[Healey] said it occurred in 2011, less than a year after the first explosion.

“The manager of the mine, who was the manager at the time of the first explosion, participated in a decision to pour 350 cubic metres of concrete down a shaft and into a fresh air base, completely obliterating all evidence,” Healey said.

“So while everyone thought they were gathering concrete evidence, they were, in fact, covering the evidence in concrete“ [1]

So
1 – is this true that more concrete than would fill the area of concern was actually poured down the shaft to obliterate evidence, and if so
2 – was the manager Peter Whittall – “appointed CEO on 2 October 2010. The Pike River Mine disaster occurred less than two months later. Prior to his role as CEO, Whittall held the position of General Manager Mines and was responsible for on-site construction, mine development and recruitment at the Pike River operation” – and who else, persons or agencies, “if he participated in a decision”, was involved in that decision? and
3 – was these claims presented to the Royal Commission in any form for their consideration, and
4 – why was the concrete imported from Australia, and
5 – is this an obvious attempt to destroy or make “unavailable” any evidence – particularly bodies and any evidence any one of the miners might have written down in the hope of later discovery, and so
6 was it an effort that when discovered would the render any reason to re-enter the mine itself a pointless exercise?

If Healey has the invoices for the concrete, or copies, do the police also now have copies of what could be vital evidence of a literal cover-up, and supposedly the person or people who ordered the concrete?

Healey told host Simon Shepherd that there is “a lot of evidence” some of the miners survived the first explosion on November 19, 2010 and they likely would have gathered at the fresh air base. If they had, their bodies may now be entombed in concrete.

On the anniversary in the past week Jacinda Ardern reaffirms pledge to Pike River families as officials reach re-entry milestone 10 years on. What actions will her Government now take regarding these apparently new claims?

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/11/tonnes-of-concrete-poured-into-critically-important-pike-river-mine-air-feed-where-miners-could-have-gathered-engineer.html
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November 22, 2020 8:13am
- muppeth8r
  
  yawn, time to let it go its a tragedy but its been made worse by chasing ghosts and lotsa shoulda woulda coulda.
  there is next to no chance in any prosecution arising so why keep pouring millions of dollars into a dead end cause where no justice will be served.
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:16am
- CJames
  
  Wasn’t the air feed on the other side of the rock cave in? In which case, they were never going to go that far. Or are you just laying the groundwork for the government trying to justify wasting so much money?
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:48am
- JackRabbit
  
  While it may be true that concrete was poured in, it is only conjecture that it was done to cover evidence. This is typical of reading into an action the motivation for the action. Given that the miners were well dead by that time, there would be numerous reasons including stopping the fire from continuing to burn.
  
  Some things are just what they are.
  
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  November 22, 2020 11:06am
- RW Capitalist
  
  There are critical questions in the numbers and method.
  I have built , rebuilt and repaired concrete plants in the past.
  Your driveway is produced as follows
  5cum of concrete = 1.5tonnes cement 10tonnes of aggregate approx. 1 tonne of water
  ie 12.5 tonnes or 2.5tonnes per cubic meter
  so
  350cum of concrete weighs 875 tonnes or 70 truck loads I’m sure that hiding that would be very difficult, unless they build a very large concrete plant on site and hiding that would be very difficult too.
  As for bringing concrete from Australia, in containers???
  Not know much about concrete do ya.
  I’ll give you an example.
  A concrete truck driver, stopped for lunch, fare enough, he switched of the bowl (from rotating), the concrete hardened enough in the bowl as to destroy the bowl.
  So the importation of “concrete” in containers is impossible, because
  1. The concrete would be hard before the ship left port.
  2. The heat generated by the reaction would have warped the container and made it (due to the way containers are stacked on a ship) impossible for them to be off loaded.
  3. A container (20′) has a volume of 34.6 cum therefore concrete to fill this weighs about 84 tonnes ….max cap of a 20′ container is 25 tonnes
  
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  November 22, 2020 11:11am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    to add another question.
    How did they get 350cum of concrete to the…. “down a shaft and into a fresh air base”
    From the outside, they would have had to build a significant road to it.
    I imagine the shaft was of significant length compared to it’s width, assuming the pour from the top, as the concrete was poured in, some would gather on the side of the shaft, accumulate there and eventually seal off the shaft (relatively near to the top). Making further pouring impossible.
    
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    November 22, 2020 11:24am
    - JackRabbit
      
      And was it not the case that the ventilation shaft had to be plugged to stop the burning prior to any mine entry? So what if they did some of it ahead of time?
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/work-begins-to-plug-pike-river-ventilation-shaft/2TYENG36UIRVXECUYGUXNAJASE/
      
      And are we not currently being told that the men were finishing their shift and would have moved closer to the drift, not the ventilation shaft?
      
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      November 22, 2020 4:06pm
- rangitoto
  
  What the hell is a “cubic tonne”?
  
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  November 22, 2020 11:16am
  - muppeth8r
    
    the product of our awsome education system and sweet reporting.
    
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    November 22, 2020 2:39pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Why don’t the Police get off their backsides and deal with real matters. Ihumatao occupation is a disgrace.
  They will never get a case in Pike River although there may be one to answer for those who signed off on a closed mine against international practice for gas producers.
  
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  November 22, 2020 1:22pm
notrotsky

FFS – Peter Goodfellow ! More pain for National as they can’t seem to help themselves.
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November 22, 2020 8:22am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Another 9 years in opposition guaranteed.
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:31am
- Paulus
  
  What Key should have said – National will not win the next two elections to Ardern’s Labour.
  It is obvious now after the conference that National is the Party of Loyal New Zealand whereas Labour is the Party of Republic Aotearoa and God help anybody who does not agree. Any loyal person will be shouted down probably more harshly by a woman so will keep quiet.
  $430,000 votes were lost to Ardern this time and that will remain as many Loyalists pass on during the three years (me, very probably for a starter).
  The Queen will pass on and King Charles and UK royalty will not continue.
  Socialism will prevail in New Zealand – we will all be speaking Maori as they enforce their will and get whatever they want as Ardern needs their votes (at a cost).
  I feel it is a shame that Goodfellow is still in the driving seat –
  two/three more election whilst they do not wake up.
  The Ardern secret gurus will continue plus the Media party will watch every National move as they are continually paid to do (with taxpayers money).
  National – wake up but I feel it is too late.
  You are being fought from the gutter – you must consider similar or be damned.
  
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  November 22, 2020 12:51pm
fernglas

From a September Massey University study https://theconversation.com/survey-shows-1-in-4-new-zealanders-remain-hesitant-about-a-coronavirus-vaccine-145304
“Māori (64%) have lower intentions to get vaccinated compared to European New Zealanders (76%) and Asian and other ethnicities (81%).”
So where are we going to get the 95% Bloomfield is hoping for?
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November 22, 2020 8:25am
- Fletch
  
  That’s the real trick, isn’t it? It only takes a very small proportion of the population to decide they won’t get vaccinated for diseases like rubella and smallpox to make a comeback.
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:24am
- Dougal10
  
  Not from me
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:52am
- PhilBest
  
  Dr Sucharit Bhakdi, an honest contrarian all along about Covid, says that only people stupid enough to fall for the terror tactics in the first place, would be stupid enough to accept a vaccine for a highly complex virus, that has been rushed into production in the tenth of the usual time required for trials – and even in tens as much time, past vaccines for coronaviruses have failed to gain approval. He says he won’t accept such a vaccine for himself as he is not mad.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnpnBYgGARE
  
  He discusses vaccines from 48 minutes 30 seconds and makes his comment about not being mad enough to get vaccinated himself, at 55 mins 30.
  
  The whole thing is worth watching. He likens the hyper sensitive PCR tests that are being used to create hysteria, to a hypersensitive blood alcohol test being used to claim massive numbers of people are dying of alcoholism.
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:53am
- RW Capitalist
  
  AAAHHH, the final realization……If you build your policy on irrational fear……It becomes impossible to separate the people from that fear.
  “What a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive.”
  Fear of the disease and presenting themselves as the only “truth” and “Solution”.
  Especially where there are inconsistencies (MIQ) and boarder control.
  Then the fear of anything Trump, so now the “warp speed” vaccine…is mistrusted, because of the sewing of the seed that anything Trump must be bad.
  BTW I see there are suggestions that Hydroxichloroquil may be an effective treatment after all, if taken in the correct dose and for the correct course of medication. Funny that.
  
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  November 22, 2020 1:22pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Yea, the Hunter Biden company has been buying up shares in the Hydroxichloroquil company ever since Trump endorsed it.
    
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    November 22, 2020 7:31pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Count me out. No right to sue means no vaccine.
  
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  November 22, 2020 1:24pm
I remember when

Tonnes of concrete poured into ‘critically important’ Pike River Mine air feed.
The Manager of the mine, who was the Manager at the time of the first explosion, participated in the decision.
One report, however, suggests there was a police involvement in the decision.
Hope springs eternal but experiences to date suggest otherwise.
Jacinda reiterates her pledge to bring them justice.
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November 22, 2020 8:28am
- Yvette
  
  If Police were involved does it not add to the need for Andrew Little to explain why this was done?
  If in fact it did happen – although Healey]said it occurred in 2011, less than a year after the first explosion
  “We have the invoices for the material, 105 tonnes shipped from Australia in seven shipping containers. We have eyewitness testimony from people who put material down the shaft, the process took three days”
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:26am
  - Don Beckett
    
    It could only have been dry-mix concrete, and bagged into – say – 40 kg. bags. But why get it from Australia? there a several local suppliers
    
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    November 22, 2020 1:12pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      But to turn the 20000 bags into concrete?
      Wheres the water coming from?
      
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      November 22, 2020 1:54pm
Inandout

It is not April 1st…WTF.
https://trends.gab.com/item/5fb9651d6d63ec3465723893
The man is unhinged, just search his past statements. This is the left rewarding the left, meanwhile New York bleeds.
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November 22, 2020 8:30am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I wonder if the families whose loved ones were locked in rest homes with Covid patients forcibly sent there, got a vote?
  
  Utterly bizarre, truth is a foreign country in democrat US.
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:21am
- Fletch
  
  This is Cuomo the other day trying to shut down reporters who actually bothered to ask serious questions. He treats them with disdain….
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeQOV3SXbrU
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:27am
  - Batman
    
    I thought you guys loved that kind of thing?
    
    Owning the liberal media etc?
    
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    November 22, 2020 10:43am
- emmess
  
  If you hadn’t told us the source, I would have almost certainly have said it came from the Babylon Bee
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:23am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    I know, there is nothing crazy enough for Democrats to claim the absolute opposite of.
    
    Remember the overwhelmed hospitals in NY that were all going to be full of dead people.
    
    Trump ordered one of the biggest hospital ships in the world there to help.
    
    Of course it wasn’t used, because then orange man might have been good. Cuomo preferred to force sick old people to go back into nursing homes to infect others.
    
    and gets an Emmy.
    
    In NZ we had the “pulpit of truth” ™ where a constant stream of reassuring lies was vended to a grateful and afraid public – and the pink-haired lunatic who was just awarded “communicator of the year” or some such bullshit award.
    
    Not feeling the “kindness”.
    
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    November 22, 2020 12:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How to run a business under Biden.
Dear Employees:
As the CEO of this organization, I have resigned myself to the fact that Joe Biden is our President and that
our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way. To compensate for these increases, our prices
would have to increase by about 10%. But, since we cannot increase our prices right now due to the dismal
state of the economy, we will have to lay off sixty of our employees instead. This has really been bothering
me since I believe we are family here and I didn’t know how to choose who would have to go. So, this is what
I did. I walked through our parking lots and found sixty ‘Biden Harris’ bumper stickers on our employees’ cars
and have decided these folks will be the ones to let go. I can’t think of a more fair way to approach this
problem. They voted for change……I gave it to them.
I will see the rest of you at the annual company picnic.
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November 22, 2020 8:33am
- BeeJay
  
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  What a loser! Obviously couldn’t run a pissup in a brewery!
  
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  November 22, 2020 8:38am
- IC5000
  
  I think this is making the rounds again, probably made up but nevertheless It’s actually quite dangerous to do this now not for any legal reasons but in this age of woke twitter activitism any kind of statement like this would actuallly get the CEO fired by the board. All corporations care about are revenues and if anyone messes up that up they’re gone. Look what just happened to Pete Evans.
  
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  November 22, 2020 8:48am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Emergency! Sense of humour required in Aisle 3!
    
    yes this is what people in normal world call a “joke”.
    
    In real life we know any executive who said this out loud would get cancelled good and hard, the twitterati would doxx him and his family, and the company would donate its proceed to BLM to grovel and try and atone.
    
    Of course the real sensible company will have already laid off the troublemakers, but would never be stupid enough to put the reason in writing!
    
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    November 22, 2020 12:25pm
- sooty
  
  You are funnier than guy williams!
  
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  November 22, 2020 8:51am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Almost everything is.
    
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    November 22, 2020 9:16am
  - pdm
    
    `You are funnier than guy williams!
    
    Never seen or heard Guy Williams but from what I read being funnier than him would not be a major achievement.
    
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    November 22, 2020 9:16am
    - JackRabbit
      
      The only Guy Williams worthy of note in the last 50 years, is the actor that played in Zorro, Lost in Space and Bonanza. By all accounts a good man.
      
      The Guy Williams sooty is referring to is the partner of Golriz Ghahraman, who is a water melon. Guy Williams rates even lower, and the complete opposite of his namesake.
      
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      November 22, 2020 4:34pm
  - burt
    
    To be fair, even herpes is funnier than Guy Williams.
    
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    November 22, 2020 9:35am
- muppeth8r
  
  awsome, my mate runs a small business in queenstown and after covid when work dried up the first few guys he let go were avid cindy and lockdown supporters.
  Reap what they sow, I hope many employers in nz and america take the same approach. its all good and well for them to f**k with others lives and income yet totally different when its them it affects.
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hey lefties, this is a joke you sensitive idiots!
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:25am
- emmess
  
  I don’t believe this is true, Biden couldn’t even get sixty people to a rally (or honk-in)
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:26am
  - Batman
    
    No, his supporters did turn up at the ballot box / mailbox though. So much so that it turned into a hosing of a victory.
    
    14 times the winning margin of Trump in michigan, for example.
    
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    November 22, 2020 10:50am
    - muppeth8r
      
      Fraudulently yes.
      
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      November 22, 2020 10:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Even the dead supporters Batman
      
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      November 22, 2020 11:18am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Coming to NZ very soon.
  
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  November 22, 2020 11:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Here already. Martin Martyn. How many other Steve Ottos, and Stephen Ottos? Get the idea? false names on the Electoral Roll. Tell me it’s not happening
    
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    November 22, 2020 2:41pm
cmm

Wind energy fun fact:

The combined energy output of the world’s two biggest wind farms is less than one typical nuclear generator.

Almost all nuclear power stations have more than one generator – typically 2 to 4.
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November 22, 2020 8:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Another wind energy fun fact…
  
  Used wind turbine blades are hazardous materials
  https://notrickszone.com/2020/11/21/1-35-million-tonnes-of-hazardous-material-germany-admits-no-plan-to-recycle-used-wind-turbine-blades/
  
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  November 22, 2020 8:44am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    That’s pretty bad wind…
    
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    November 22, 2020 9:23am
  - BeeJay
    
    SO ARE USED MOTOR VEHICLES!
    In the modern world there are many vehicle parts currently being made of fibreglass. Fibreglass is mainly used in front and rear bumpers, hoods, doors and casings, also used in timing belts and v- belts where glass strings are impregnated with rubber due to the high tensile strength of the fibreglass, Abrasion resistance is another advantage of fibreglass which is why it is used for the production of brake pads and clutches.
    AND HOW ABOUT TRAINS AND BUSES? Entire outer bodies of modern trains and buses consists of fibreglass composites, and not only for the bodies but also for the interiors!
    So a few used wind turbine blades are hardly the end of the world!
    
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    November 22, 2020 10:18am
    - cmm
      
      You got the 1.35 million tons bit did you? Not exactly “a few”.
      
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      November 23, 2020 7:24am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  A single typical nuclear reactor can power just under 900,000 homes. With the aid of New Zealand`s abundant renewable hydro power the entire country would have a large surplus of energy.
  
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  November 22, 2020 8:49am
  - CJames
    
    No info – they can’t run units bigger than about 400MW on the NZ grid as it would have too much reliance on one generator. Big problems, like nationwide blackout if it trips. And they don’t make nukes small enough to suit us.
    
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    November 22, 2020 9:12am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      buy a surplus old soviet style nuke submarine.
      1. would power plenty
      2. they are cheap.
      
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      November 22, 2020 11:58am
      - Batman
        
        Yeah they’re also rickety as shit and would end up poisoning the earth in the inevitable multiple nuclear disasters.
        
        Highly recommend the book ‘Midnight in Chernobyl’
        
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        November 22, 2020 1:04pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Not the world Batman….just NZ.
        Find a sense of humour somewhere will ya…even if it is just a sense.
        
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        November 22, 2020 1:28pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      and this is why micro-nuclear generation is the future.
      
      The MoW looked into nuclear in the 60s, realised that you need 2 stations to balance the load properly. They even identified and bought suitable land (need granite, in lower-seismic risk locations)
      
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      November 22, 2020 12:29pm
      - Batman
        
        The true conspiracy solution is Bill Gates and the cold fusion reactor.
        
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        November 22, 2020 1:05pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The trick is in the long-term processing and storage of the “spent” (but still very hot) nuclear fuel.
    
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    November 22, 2020 9:19am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Use them as fire logs in state houses?
      
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      November 22, 2020 11:59am
    - Nickc2
      
      Australia is contemplating setting up a spent nuclear fuel disposal facility. It is anticipated this facility will be available to any country providing their spent fuel is correctly prepared for storage/disposal.
      
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      November 22, 2020 12:00pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Then wait 20 years and sell them back as “depleted Uranium anti tank rounds”?
        Great idea.
        
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        November 22, 2020 1:30pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      No carbon emissions though – which is apparently the worst substance known to humanity. So here’s the choice – poison the whole planet with eeeeevillll carbon, or just a very small bit of it with a nuclear waste reprocessing facility?
      
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      November 22, 2020 12:30pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Bury it on the moon?
        Seen “space 1999”?
        A moonbase crew fights for survival in the aftermath of a massive explosion that shifts the moon from its orbit into space.
        
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        November 22, 2020 1:32pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    The nuke effectiveness thingy would be enough incentive for Labour to not build any more homes
    
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    November 22, 2020 9:38am
- CJames
  
  The other big difference is the energy produced by the nuclear is there all the time. Over a 5 year cycle between surveys, they are producing at full load maybe 95% of the time. The stuff from windfarms is very unreliable and is often just not there, like on frosty nights when power demand is highest. And they produce a lot of their power when it is not needed. That is why windfarm proponents only talk about their nameplate rating (in MW) rather than the energy produced (in GWh/year). There is a large disconnect. And for solar, it is even worse.
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:07am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Nevermind all the flying creatures that windfarms kill.
    
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    November 22, 2020 11:21am
  - Nickc2
    
    Agree CJ. It’s all a giant conn. It makes me wonder when one or more of our pollies are going to get some balls and tell it like it is. We can’t go on like this wasting taxpayer’s money on an orchestrated whim such as that espoused by the bloody Greens.
    Wake up NZ FFS.
    
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    November 22, 2020 11:55am
Aunty

Hey, Covidiots and rat-lickers!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-swedens-herd-immunity-strategy-has-failed-hospitals-inundated/N5DXE42OZJOLRQGGXOT7WJOLSU/
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November 22, 2020 8:37am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  “Hospitals inundated”? That doesn’t align with the figures. In a nation of 10 million, there are currently only 182 “serious/critical” cases in Sweden.
  
  https://srv1.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
  
  Interestingly, there are no available figures for Sweden’s active cases, nor the number of recovered cases. Only 3% of cases have been fatal, assuming Covid was the operative cause of death. That is insufficient to justify the oppressive measures they wish to subject everyone to, healthy or not.
  
  The article says “hospitalisations are rising faster than anywhere else in Europe.” That may be the case, but that also could mean that there are f-all hospitalisations elsewhere in Europe.
  
  “Panic engulfing the country”
  “Case numbers explode”
  “Smashed by Coronavirus”
  “Numbers exploding”
  “Sweden’s experiment was officially crushed”
  
  Note the language: these dramatic and emotive phrases are purposely selected to scare you and convey the propaganda being pushed. You must understand these tactics to understand that they are selling you a product: the destruction of your freedom and autonomy.
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:31am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  You read it in the Heraldian. And you believe it? Oh well. You do you.
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:44am
- emmess
  
  https://www.google.com/search?q=sweden+covid+deaths&oq=sweden+covid+deaths&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.8911j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:48am
- rangitoto
  
  The actual numbers. Both new cases and number of deaths are declining after second wave peak:
  
  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
  
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  November 22, 2020 11:27am
Captain Mainwaring

Andrea Vance takes a swing at the craphole Wellington has become.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/123435051/wellington-im-sorry-to-say-it-but-your-good-days-are-over

But to her credit, she correctly identifies the cause – a decade of useless lefty-dominated councils, led by the dreadful former mayor, Celia Wade-Brown.
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November 22, 2020 8:41am
- fernglas
  
  Swap “Wellington” for “Auckland” and the article could read pretty much the same.
  
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  November 22, 2020 8:49am
  - Tricati
    
    And Christchurch – And the common thread is left leaning councils, poor decision making and the ability to spend other peoples money without conscience
    
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    November 22, 2020 10:47am
- artemisia
  
  Ms Vance touches on the bilingual. Ok but what is it costing and why is some signage ONLY in Maori. Wellington City Library – I’m looking at you.
  
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  November 22, 2020 8:50am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Last time in Wellington friend took me to Lyall Bay for lunch. Went via Island Bay and was amazed to see that Island Bay cycleway monstrosity still there.
  
  It takes some doing to spend millions of dollars to turn wide safe road into narrow dangerous road and make life miserable for all people who live there. But Celia managed it.
  
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  November 22, 2020 8:55am
  - Inandout
    
    BY, my wife and I saw those Island Bay cars parked in the middle of the road while a cycle way sat there unused. It looked so weird and I thought what sort of people allow this to happen?
    
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    November 22, 2020 9:21am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Woke Wellingtonian greens.
      
      Facts and evidence are unimportant. Forcing stupid ideas on you is the whole plan.
      
      For their next trick, you could ask them what actually happens to all the “recycling”, and is the value of the product (if there is any product) greater than the cost of recycling or dumping it?
      
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      November 22, 2020 12:32pm
- Aunty
  
  Socialism/social progressivism = mediocrity = stagnation. It’s the New Zealand way.
  
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  November 22, 2020 8:57am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I liked the part about Let’s Get Wellington Moving. Been running for five years. Achieved. Nothing. At all.
  
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  November 22, 2020 8:57am
  - CJames
    
    They have achieved something. They have slowed all the buses down. And they take credit for it!
    
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    November 22, 2020 10:49am
- Nickc2
  
  Andrea Vance telling the truth? That’s a switch.
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:09am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  So obvious that even Vance had to notice. Walked round the old BNZ foodhall last week. Less than half the businesses left, JBhifi pulling out. A desert.
  
  Welcome to Wellingrad, it’s back! only with more pointless cycle lanes.
  
  Victoria St still smells of shit, so I guess the sewer fix didn’t hold?
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:23am
  - Batman
    
    To be fair, the bnz food court is the seventh circle of hell and should be boarded up.
    
    The world above it is much nicer.
    
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    November 22, 2020 10:45am
    - softail 1450
      
      Batman, that from a person who’s username is the foulest most hellish fast food known to man.LOL.
      
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      November 22, 2020 11:16am
- fisho
  
  It’s a sad fact that the people who most loudly proclaim Wellington’s liveability, vibe and quirkiness strongly believe it’s attributable solely to the hard work and vision of lefty luvvies. It’s clear the exact opposite applies, the more influence the left has, the further down the shitter the city spirals (clockwise of course).
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:05am
  - sooty
    
    Do you think they are all public servants?
    
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    November 22, 2020 1:24pm
- rouppe
  
  Followed up by Justin Lester.
  
  The last decade has been a far Left council with Green and Labour mayors.
  
  Foster is still getting stymied by a majority Left council, though his insistence in holding on to the last pocket of Shelly Bay was confounding
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:06am
Catgurl13

As if CBD businesses needed more problems…..there will be more right before Xmas!!!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christmas-road-closures-in-auckland-as-americas-cup-regatta-spectators-hit-downtown/7GECFRUIIVGBIFQRBVK4ESBV34/
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November 22, 2020 8:41am
RJ

Good interview

More from Sidney Powell:

* There are many smoking guns and we are going to need federal protection for many people
** 3 million dead people voted
** A lot of the evidence of fraud is coming out next week. We have more evidence coming in every day. It only gets worse and worse.
** The fraud was very widespread, very deliberate and very well funded.
** Everybody and their pet rock is trying to stop me from exposing it.
** I think the fraud went much further than just President Trump. I think they did it to John James and others.
** We have data out of California in 2016 that Hillary Clinton did it to Bernie Sanders there.
** We have a number of smoking guns and we may have to get witness protection for them.
** We have a lot of evidence, it’s beyond impressive and absolutely terrifying.
** These are federal court lawsuits. They’re paramount to any future life of our republic.
** We ‘ve got evidence of people being paid. We got check studs from people being paid.

https://davidharrisjr.com/steven/sidney-powell-says-they-have-many-smoking-guns-some-of-whom-may-need-witness-protection/
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November 22, 2020 8:47am
- IC5000
  
  The US has a robust legal system and politically appointed DA so no doubt they will be on to any voter fraud.
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:14am
- Nick R
  
  Oh good grief. Talk about flogging a dead horse. If they’ve got all that evidence how come none of it ever actually gets to a court?
  
  But it’s not all bad. Look on the bright side. Once he’s out of the White House, Trump will be able to devote much more of his time to fighting the global cabal of paedophiles. Won’t that be great!
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:40am
  - Batman
    
    Well even better, it turns out that Trump himself owns all of the email lists, not the GOP or the campaign.
    
    So we will be taking those lists and using them as a revenue stream for himself.
    
    So anyone here who donates to Trump.. Don’t. You’ll just be contributing to Trump Org debt repayment
    
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    November 22, 2020 10:48am
  - emmess
    
    https://hereistheevidence.com/
    
    If you had watched the interview you would know Sidney Powell said that they are hoping to file federal cases by the end of next week.
    
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    November 22, 2020 10:52am
- dcrane
  
  Pretty sexy allegations. Hard to see what they gain from building all of this up if they’re just gonna look like fools in a few weeks. At least we’ll know soon enough.
  
  Until they expose some serious evidence on the Dominion thing, imo the main issue in this election is whether heavily Democrat-run precincts were able to distort the election by counting large numbers of mail-in ballots that would not have been counted had state laws been properly applied, one way or another. We keep hearing that rejection rates were very close to zero in key states.
  
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  November 22, 2020 11:40am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I think a lot of this media grandstanding is just tree-shaking to try and convince people inside a grand conspiracy (whether it exists or not) to flip and snitch for avoidance of prosecution.
    
    I think there was quite a lot of scattered and disorganised fraud, mostly in the form of deliberate ‘errors’ made by counting staff to disadvantage Trump, which is why all recounts seem to favour Trump. I am doubtful of a big conspiracy, though subverting voting machines could potentially involve a very few to big effect –
    so higher probability of that having occurred. <1% chance of Trump winning from here.
    
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    November 22, 2020 9:38pm
- Nermal
  
  RJ, agree with your post but please go easy on your bold formatting
  
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  November 22, 2020 2:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I installed Dominion Software to my Facebook page.
I now have 74 million friends
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November 22, 2020 8:50am
- muppeth8r
  
  Wait until early AM you may get a spike in friends
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, usually about 4.30am
    
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    November 22, 2020 11:27am
- Lee C
  
  ..Many of them deceased…
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:52am
- Nermal
  
  You mean the vote counting machines that gave Labour 50.0%?
  
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  November 22, 2020 2:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

PA votes for audit.
https://uafreport.com/steven/pennsylvania-house-of-representatives-votes-for-audit-of-2020-presidential-election/?
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November 22, 2020 8:56am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I doubt Trump will win this thing. But… if he manages to flip just one State, watch the panic. ?
  
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  November 22, 2020 9:00am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    If he flips one state and can show evidence of fraud, even minor, in others.
    He will have a case to take to SCOTUS for a complete audit of all states. SCOTUS would probably vote 9-0 in favour of an injunction to pause the electoral college as this would be the most important constitutional matter in their history.
    BUT….IF is a VERY big word here.
    
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    November 22, 2020 12:13pm
    - Batman
      
      Yes, a huge IF and one which will never eventuate.
      
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      November 22, 2020 12:57pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        They said Trump would…and I quote “NEVER be president”
        
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        November 22, 2020 1:37pm
G152

Weather report last night had a bunch of ‘meteorologists’ gabbing on
about sea temperatures and how little fishees were being boiled alive.
Evidently no-one has told these ‘experts’ about such things as the
THERMOCLINE or anything vaguely oceanographic.
Or how, in the Tropics, this warm sea water is the bog standard and has
been that way since oceans existed.

Hint.
Its the SUN stupid warms the air, warms the land and warms the
water so we can all live !
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November 22, 2020 9:04am
- MCos
  
  New Zealand isn’t in the tropics.
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:00am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “Global climate change”?
  BUT BUT inn Siberia the temperatures are continuing to be 5 degC LOWER than normal, as to in Newfoundland/Nova Scotia.
  Much bigger surface areas than the seas around NZ
  
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  November 22, 2020 12:03pm
- Catgurl13
  
  Of course the sea is warming up, the warmer weather is coming lol
  
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  November 22, 2020 12:36pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    To all Global warming alarmists
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da0YARpkI3U
    
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    November 22, 2020 1:38pm
DeepBlue

Hipkins as Minister of Health was queried about his can of coke a day and occasional sausage roll.

Today (RNZ) he says ‘”Well I don’t have to feel quite so guilty about it now, but at the end of the day we all have to take personal responsibility for our dietary choices,”

Blow me down… When Judith said this pre election it was a political crime, fat shaming, disputing evidence, out of touch, cruel….
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November 22, 2020 9:08am
- muppeth8r
  
  Leftards dont undestand the concept of irony
  
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  November 22, 2020 11:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They are born without a sense of humour
    
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    November 22, 2020 11:29am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and spend the rest of their lives, wondering what one is.
      
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      November 22, 2020 12:04pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        True. You say something hilarious, and they look at you like you have 3 heads
        
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        November 22, 2020 1:38pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Q:
  How can one guy be both Statler and Waldorf at the same time?
  Statler and Waldorf are a pair of Muppet characters known for their cantankerous opinions and shared penchant for heckling. The two elderly men first appeared in The Muppet Show in 1975,
  
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  November 22, 2020 1:40pm
muppeth8r

the new way to be kind and caring…
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/123466817/matt-mccartens-public-revenge-on-exploitative-employers
I bet hes absolutely sure hes correct because bobs aunty on facebook said it was true.

If theres nothing serious or substantial enough to break laws and end up in court then I fully hope this guy gets what he deserves either through defamation or just a good old fashioned hiding.
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November 22, 2020 9:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  then I fully hope this guy gets what he deserves either through defamation ….
  
  He’s been sued 4 times and lost each time… but so what?
  
  He’s been sued and lost four times, he says, and never paid up. He told one lawyer he would occupy their office and picket their client, and every time a bill for costs arrived, he wrote ‘f– off’ on it and posted it back. He’s happy to be trespassed and sued by those who are visited by the Utu truck.
  
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  November 22, 2020 11:06am
SB2

The unstoppable march toward the President’s elect inaugation continues ,

“Trump options narrow as Michigan backs Biden win,”

Donald Trump has had a fresh setback in his bid to overturn his loss in the US election as Michigan lawmakers indicated they would not seek to undo Joe Biden’s projected win in the state.

Two Republican legislators pledged to follow “normal process” in validating the vote after a White House meeting.
Earlier on Friday, Georgia dealt the US president another blow by certifying Mr Biden’s razor-thin margin of victory.

The Democrat is set to take office on 20 January as the 46th US president.

Mr Biden’s victory in the Electoral College system, which determines who becomes president, is projected to be 306 to 232 – far above the 270 he needs to win. His lead in the public vote overall stands at more than 5.9 million.

Mr Trump, who has had few public appearances since the 3 November vote, on Friday again falsely claimed victory. “I won, by the way,” he said, while making an announcement on drug pricing…”

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55025997
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November 22, 2020 9:23am
- Fletch
  
  It doesn’t really matter what recounts say when you’re recounting fraudulent votes.
  
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  November 22, 2020 12:12pm
  - SB2
    
    Fletch …,recounting fraudulent votes.”
    
    On Trump’s say so?
    
    Oh sure..
    
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    November 22, 2020 1:38pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Klarkenfuhrer….. & ‘Freedom of the Press’ 🙁

https://twitter.com/Pauline63881690/status/1329862954162929664
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November 22, 2020 9:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

Hey Maggie Pie

I was wondering if you had any recommendations for op-shops up your way.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/20/a-thrill-of-subtle-subversion-new-zealand-mps-share-their-love-of-thrifting
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November 22, 2020 9:59am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Hiyaa Maggs – I certainly have my faves! Right into Vintage 😛
  
  If you’re heading this way, check out ‘Magic Hollow’ in Vulcan Lane, and a couple of real finds in K’Rd with ‘Paper Bag Princess’ and ‘Vixen Vintage’.
  
  (HAT TIP: Avoid the Sally’s or the St Vincent de Paul shops. Anything I’ve ever bought from their the smell never comes out, no matter how many times you wash it.)
  
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  November 22, 2020 10:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ta,
    Yeah, I know VVs….
    
    Magic Hollow must be new…..( I haven’t ventured into your infected city for a couple of years).
    
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    November 22, 2020 2:47pm
igm

But, but, but Labour’s Nash and Ardern have total control of all firearms . . . another fucken joke.
Seems gangs are operating with impunity . . . maybe they are another chosen ethnicity!
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November 22, 2020 10:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They bought back 87 shotgun barrels. Now there are 87 sawn off shotguns out there. So clever
  
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  November 22, 2020 11:32am
Jack5

Explaining how some folk get big tech-export figures for New Zealand – they’re including sales of Fisher and Paykel Appliances.

Whiteware (high tech?) by a Chinese owned firm manufactured overseas, and this is NZ high tech? F&P engineers were first with machine weighing the washing to guess the material and thus the wash times. But techie teenagers’ Raspberry Pi kits are “higher tech” than that.

Xero is a more valid inclusion, though again online bookkeeping is more mid-tech than high tech.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/kate-macnamara-what-jacinda-ardern-misses-in-hopes-of-tech-rivers-of-gold/RSAFNO4ELTQFLHZCQFQNIK5ZJM/
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November 22, 2020 10:15am
C J Southern

US Election Reality Check

Suits filed: 38
Proceedings concluded: 26
Proceedings appealed: 4
States gained due to legal action: 0
Votes gained due to legal action: 0
Cases of election fraud proven: 0

Transition to Biden countdown: 59D 19H 12M

Status: The countdown is proceeding normally. All lights are green. All systems are go
#ReportEnds
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November 22, 2020 10:47am
- emmess
  
  US Election Reality Check
  
  Trump campaign suits filed: 3
  Trump campaign suits dropped: 1
  Trump campaign suits yet to be filed: unknown
  Trump campaign proceedings concluded: 0
  States gained due to legal action yet: 0
  Votes gained due to legal action yet: 0
  Votes mysteriously found: thousands
  Cases of election fraud proven yet: 0
  
  Transition to probable heavily compromised Biden inauguration
  countdown: 59D 18H 58M
  
  Status: Unknown
  #ReportEnds
  
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  November 22, 2020 11:03am
  - dcrane
    
    Yes the next two weeks are crucial. Either these people put up in court, or they’ll look like fools. I’m not ruling out either possibility.
    
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    November 22, 2020 11:44am
  - C J Southern
    
    Trump campaign (“Donald J. Trump for President”) have to date filed the following:
    
    20-000225-MZ (lost, appealed)
    4:20-CV-02078 (dismissed)
    2:20-cv-00966-NR (dismissed)
    2:20-cv-01445-JCM-VCF (dismissed)
    CV2020-014248 (dropped)
    602-MD-2020 (ruled)
    NO. 2020-18680 (denied, appealed)
    Civ. No. 20-5533 (dropped)
    3:20-cv-10753-MAS-ZNQ (denied)
    1:20-cv-01083 (dropped)
    
    So there’s all of your credibility shot down in flames; but that’s moot because you didn’t have any to start with.
    
    People like you are the problem – you post shit that’s not true and then cry when people treat it with the contempt that it deserves.
    
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    November 22, 2020 2:48pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hand off cock now is a good thing
      
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      November 22, 2020 4:37pm
- dcrane
  
  https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/federal-election-commission-chairman-trump-campaign-bringing-legitimate
  
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  November 22, 2020 12:31pm
Lee C

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
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November 22, 2020 10:51am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Either all the other people are Communists, Socialists, trade unionists or Jews.
  Or only Communists, Socialists, trade unionists or Jews would speak out on behalf of people not in their in-group.
  
  Have you noticed a tendency for the Left (Communists, Socialists, trade unionists) to speak out on behalf of anyone who is a) not also on the Left or b) not an enemy of people the Left oppose?
  
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  November 22, 2020 11:26am
- Inandout
  
  Lee, these lines are so true, and have been somewhat replaced by the ‘frog in the pot’ getting warmer. In the US the vocal Trump supporters are being hunted but I tend to think the response won’t be so tolerating.
  
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  November 22, 2020 11:46am
- SB2
  
  “..Then they came for me
  And there was no one left
  To speak out for me”
  
  Paranoia at its shiny best!
  
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  November 22, 2020 1:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why would they speak for you?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YMVPXmaKds
    
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    November 22, 2020 4:42pm
emmess

John Oliver says it is completely insane to use electronic voting machines

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/11/21/hbos-john-oliver-called-it-completely-insane-to-use-electronic-voting-machines/
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November 22, 2020 11:18am
- SB2
  
  The same John Oliver who reminded the audienc of Trump’s F ..ing stuff ups handling Covid 19 virus,
  
  https://ew.com/tv/john-oliver-donald-trump-coronavirus-response/
  
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  November 22, 2020 1:04pm
Maggie Pie

Jeez I really hate it when guys are like… “its a quarter till 3”
Just say 2:75 like the rest of us. Dickheads.
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November 22, 2020 11:53am
- Fletch
  
  2:45….
  
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  November 22, 2020 12:09pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  eyesight check…
  
  the 4 key is quite a distance from the 7 key.
  
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  November 22, 2020 12:16pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Must be an OLD guy….
  “its a quarter till 3”…comes from the days of analogue dial clocks.
  
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  November 22, 2020 12:18pm
- sooty
  
  ???
  
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  November 22, 2020 12:56pm
  - muppeth8r
    
    sunday arvo wines me thinks.
    
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    November 22, 2020 2:47pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  How very French Revolution of you ?
  
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  November 22, 2020 1:15pm
Fletch

CNN just three years ago with a story showing how easily voting machines can be hacked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA2DWMHgLnc

I guess it doesn’t matter now though.
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November 22, 2020 12:22pm
- Batman
  
  Yes, voting machines should be good rid of. All those red states need to stop investing in their mates’ voting machine companies
  
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  November 22, 2020 1:06pm
  - Fletch
    
    Actually, it’s red states like Texas that refused to have the machines. And theirs are one of the cleaner results. Not a blue state where hundreds of thousands of votes mysteriously appear at 5 in the morning.
    
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    November 22, 2020 4:37pm
    - Batman
      
      How strange that some states and counties with large populations take late into the night to provide results.
      
      It’s almost like more votes takes longer…
      
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      November 22, 2020 4:41pm
      - RJ
        
        How strange that in Nevada there were more votes for president than votes cast. Corruption and those that support it.
        
        Make you a bet Batman, if trumps team prove everything, you quit moderator and leave. If they don’t, I’ll leave.
        
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        November 22, 2020 6:26pm
Fletch

And this is the man people want as president? What a train wreck…. ?‍♂️

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfLAAqmxUk8
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November 22, 2020 12:43pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  And
  They were arguing in 2016 that Trump in charge of the nuclear “football” was a danger to all humanity.
  Imagine this guy in charge of it.
  
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  November 22, 2020 2:01pm
Lee C

https://youtu.be/F5vndAmMqAM
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November 22, 2020 12:55pm
- SB2
  
  Tucker Carlson rips into Sidney Powell over lack of evidence of Voter
  
  Fraud,https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971777/Tucker-Carslon-hits-Sidney-Powell-says-Trumps-lawyers-havent-seen-evidence.html
  
  LOL
  
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  November 22, 2020 1:12pm
  - Batman
    
    The snake begins to eat it’s own tail
    
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    November 22, 2020 1:14pm
  - Fletch
    
    Like she is going to show him before she shows the court…. These are the Democrats she is playing with. I’d keep my cards close to my vest as well until it is time to play them on the table. You got to know when to hold ’em.
    
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    November 22, 2020 4:33pm
    - RJ
      
      Old footage, she released what actually happened, tucker replied.
      
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      November 22, 2020 6:22pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner reckons if Sidney Powel delivers the goods, we’re going to see the biggest shitstorm in human history. This is no precedent.
  
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  November 22, 2020 1:22pm
  - SB2
    
    Sidney Powell’s road from UNC to defending Trump’s supposed ‘landslide’ reelection,”
    
    https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article247313859.html
    
    What she is seriously short of is factual evidence.
    
    Sigh.
    
     
    
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    November 22, 2020 1:33pm
  - RJ
    
    More than people realise, and not just in the USA
    
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    November 22, 2020 6:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Powel would do well to get protection, if she does not already have it. Strange things happen when certain people are going to throw shit at the fan.
  NOBODY has 56 friends who committed suicide
  
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  November 22, 2020 1:43pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Powel would do well to get protection, if she does not already have it. ”
    
    Powel will no doubt have already prepared multiple and independent dead-woman’s switches.
    
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    November 22, 2020 1:56pm
  - SB2
    
    Steve Otto(North Shore).
    
    Umm examples ? Clinton Body count stuff?
    
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    November 22, 2020 3:09pm
    - emmess
      
      I take it you have heard of Jeffrey Epstein
      Are you going to tell us that he did kill himself?
      
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      November 22, 2020 4:12pm
  - RJ
    
    She is protected.
    
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    November 22, 2020 6:19pm
Stu2

Giuliani et al were trying to invalidate millions of Pennsylvania mail-in votes

The republican judge said :

“Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise almost seven million voters. This Court has been unable to find any case in which a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated,”

“One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens. That has not happened, instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence.”

“In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more. At bottom, Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to state a claim upon which relief may be granted.”

The nonsense Trump been tweating hasn’t stood up in court yet again
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November 22, 2020 2:00pm
- Fletch
  
  Republican judge? Appointed by Obama. That tells you all you need to know… Sounds like a RINO.
  
  A commenter at Breitbart –
  
  The Pennsylvania democrats just might have made their worst mistake yet.
  
  Because they threw the case out without a hearing, the Trump campaign will likely win on appeal because they provided such a large amounts of affidavits and other accompanying evidence and they refused to even hear the case.
  
  Now the Supreme Court not only has grounds to say the Trump Campaign’s rights were violated, but also that the District Court refused to even consider it.
  
  So if they do certify the US Supreme Court can quite literally award the entire thing to Donald Trump, the District Court outright refused to even hold any hearings on it.
  
  Prior the defense aka Pennsylvania could have claimed… “oh we did hold a hearing and see he got a fair hearing”… now they can’t even say that.
  
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  November 22, 2020 4:42pm
I remember when

The first carbon tax to be imposed on Virginians will add about 2% to electricity bills, starting next summer.
Early information mentioned the carbon allowance will add about 17 cents per gallon to the price of gasoline (about 8%) but internal documents point to a first year cost more like 20 cents, rising to more than 30 cents by 2032.
A review requested by the Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy projected 33 cents per gallon.
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November 22, 2020 2:07pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Where does the money collected by the carbon tax go?
  
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  November 22, 2020 6:18pm
I remember when

Love the American Presidential Elections.
Results:
One that isn’t going to be and one that should be allowed to be President.
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November 22, 2020 2:11pm
I remember when

Isn’t it awful when you feel you are missing out.
Don’t have any covid cases of your own.
Import some!
MIQ: Mostly in Quarantine!
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November 22, 2020 2:17pm
Tauhei Notts

It has often been said that laughter is the best medicine.
If that is true then a visit to a new website named newsgrub.co.nz could be worthwhile. Don’t believe anything you read there but you might piss yourself laughing at all of it.
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November 22, 2020 2:30pm
Prince

Matt McCarten, defender of the weak.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123466817/matt-mccartens-public-revenge-on-exploitative-employers
Is this the same Matt McCarten who thinks he is above paying tax ? It’s different when the left do it.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5342791/IRD-chasing-Matt-McCarten-company
No mention of his history in the article of course.
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November 22, 2020 2:32pm
bruceavon

Trumps Pennsylvania court case thrown out by a Republican judge. 30th case to fail. If you read the comments on here you would imagine the evidence is overwhelming and yet they can’t prove a single case in courts all over America, in Republican states, before Republican judges who in some cases Trump appointed. Trumps making a fool of himself mopping about refusing to admit he’s lost.
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November 22, 2020 2:42pm
- Fletch
  
  Because you don’t understand how it works. We’re talking about civil litigation cases here. As Mark Levin points out, most people don’t go into court with reams and reams of evidence because there hasn’t been discovery yet.
  
  “When you hear people on radio and TV going on about ‘where’s your evidence, where’s your evidence’, discovery hasn’t even taken place. And then they say. ‘well then what’s your point?’ They don’t even understand how the civil litigation side of our justice system works. What do you mean, what’s the point? I have enough information here to make an allegation based on a reasonable basis in fact and law and we want the opportunity to pursue our lawsuit and to conduct discovery. Written discovery, document demands, depositions – whatever it takes – and we’d like to conduct discovery very quickly. Right now none of that exists unless a court allows it to exist.
  
  https://youtu.be/BkyJLfuV5wA?t=216
  
  So if a biased judge throws it out, he hasn’t allowed that to take place. And in most cases there IS evidence. There are enough affidavits from people to want to warrant discovery et al.
  
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  November 22, 2020 4:21pm
- MCos
  
  There was a recount in Georgia overseen by Secretary of State, Gabriel Sterling, the Voting System Implementation Manager. He now needs police protection, it seems, because the recount didn’t reverse the original result.
  https://twitter.com/gabrielsterling/status/1330336075026468864?s=21
  
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  November 22, 2020 4:28pm
Suze Wainwright

Is Soper and HDPA’s criticism of Mahuta just Maori bashing by a National friendly press?

Be fair! Nanaia would have been told that being Foreign Minister was an excellent way to get overseas junkets as a reward for her loyalty – no one ever told her actual work was required.
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November 22, 2020 3:34pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  no one ever told her actual work was required.
  seems to have been a blanket instruction to the entire cabinet, from 2017 onwards.
  
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  November 22, 2020 4:52pm
Swifty

One of the world’s most loathsome individuals passes away:

https://theprint.in/national-interest/what-the-amazing-rise-sudden-death-of-a-holy-warrior-tell-us-about-islam-politics-in-pakistan/548945/

The same man who recently called for Macron’s beheading for standing up for France’s liberties – and for Pakistan to nuke France.
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November 22, 2020 4:20pm
Fletch

The Federal Election Commission Chairman Trey Trainor says “the Trump campaign is bringing “legitimate accusations” to court through affidavits of credible witnesses and other evidence used in its challenges to electoral outcomes in various states”

“What I would be concerned with, if I were on the other side of these election contests that are going on around the country, is that if you look at the level of evidence that has been provided by these affidavits — hundreds of affidavits that corroborate events that have happened on the ground — in a summary judgment phase of these cases, you have to take the evidence of the plaintiff as being true,” Trainor told “Just the News AM” television show Friday morning.

“The court has to take the evidence of the plaintiff as being true and see whether or not the other side can make a case against it,” added Trainor. “So, the massive amounts of affidavits that we see in these cases show that there was in fact fraud that took place. And the other side really needs to answer these questions.”

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/federal-election-commission-chairman-trump-campaign-bringing-legitimate
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November 22, 2020 4:51pm
Fletch

Dunno why I didn’t hear about this before – maybe he wasn’t famous enough. R.I.P Tony Lewis from The Outfield, dead at 62.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N1iwQxiHrs
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