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I remember when

Was it an ‘All Black’ performance.
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November 15, 2020 8:05am
- Luke Piewalker
  
  Now the rest of NZ gets to experience what it was like for the Chiefs fans having Ian Foster as a coach
  
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  November 15, 2020 10:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

Creative New Zealand – a generous supporter of artistic projects it considers worthy – is supporting writing which promotes the contentious notion that the Treaty of Waitangi calls for race-based voting arrangements in local government.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2020/11/14/creative-nz-gives-support-to-the-art-of-pressing-mps-to-change-racist-law-and-facilitate-race-based-voting-systems/
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November 15, 2020 8:11am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Folks, this is what the thin edge of the wedge looks like.
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:31am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Paulus – the thin end of the wedge was inserted decades ago by Geoffrey Palmer and Margaret Wilson. This is banging the wedge in a bit further.
    
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    November 15, 2020 10:04am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Indeed…
      
      Point Of Order references some of the background to Geoffrey Palmer’s meddling
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/deep-divisions-over-treatys-matters-of-principle/FMNRWGH4CCQSSEHC2OLX3C56AQ/
      
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      November 15, 2020 10:14am
      - sooty
        
        He was never any good was he!
        Crap lawyer, who thought crap laws and didn’t write them very well!
        
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        November 15, 2020 12:38pm
  - Jack5
    
    The people who run Creative New Zealand:
    
    https://www.creativenz.govt.nz/about-creative-new-zealand/our-council
    
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    November 15, 2020 10:27am
    - backster
      
      Not many cow cockies in that lot. (or ratepayers)
      
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      November 15, 2020 1:35pm
- softail 1450
  
  M W ,The most crucial thing that will happen with the rollout of a vaccine for Coronavirus is that all of our Children will be free to permanently leave this Socialist Utopia of Gayotearoa once again .
  All the talented young people will leave and all that will be left is people that pass laws like that and the people that support such law.
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:32am
  - Harriet
    
    Yep!
    
    This term will see Wellington draft Australian immigration law! 😎
    
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    November 15, 2020 10:03am
  - igm
    
    And those that screw taxpayers because they get easy citizenship and every benefit going. They will be arriving in the droves . . . good time to be selling headscarves.
    
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    November 15, 2020 10:21am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  aotearoa could do with more human rights lawyers and literary types…
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:46am
- Nukuleka
  
  I fear many of us will scarcely recognize the social fabric of our country within 3 years time when we have taxpayer-funded agencies such as this promoting such separtism. Meanwhile the Ministry of Education stamps itself as the Ministry of Propaganda with its demands that all teachers begin instructing their pupils in Maori, promotes Critical Race Theory which sees all non-whites as victims of colonialism and whites as oppressors, and tells children in primary school that they can choose their gender.
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:57am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What Maori are children being instructed in?
    Te Reo is practically useless unless life is in a Pa or involves kumara planting.
    Te Reo also uses pronouns so different to English that a great deal of re-learning would be required. Very confusing.
    
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    November 15, 2020 1:51pm
- Swifty
  
  Remember this when next we hear from another Labour or Green politician saying that if you’re against tax hikes you’re against ‘health and education’ – as if that’s all they use our taxes on.
  
  Paying for lefty propaganda – and you have no choice in the matter.
  
  Lap it up Kiwis.
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:02am
- rouppe
  
  What ‘tick’ should I use here?
  
  An uptick for bringing it to our attention or
  
  A downtick because the nature of the activity is so heinous?
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:18am
- Harriet
  
  We may as well just speak Afrikaans.
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:31am
cmm

It is astounding what progress has been made in medicine in the last 200 years and how those advances have been spread through the world.

I’ve been reading a bit about Henry Thoreau. He and his three siblings, did not make it past their 40s. Three died of TB and one of tetanus due to a shaving cut.

Imagine that, nick yourself shaving and you’re dead.

Even just 60 years ago both my grandfathers died of post-op infections.

Now pretty much everyone in the world can access better medical care than my grandparents could.

Thank you colonialists and western culture.
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November 15, 2020 8:12am
- G152
  
  True.
  Just got told to stop wasting the oncologists time as theres nothing wrong with me currently.
  80 next year.
  I love our health system
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:25am
- Catgurl13
  
  Yet even having all this knowledge and technology to relay it to people,they still die in high numbers from diabetes. Some people contract rhumatic fever living in crowded houses. They don’t seem to be able to control their fertility and pop out many kids they cannot afford. They take home cooked drugs despite being told these drugs are dangerous.
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:45am
- MCos
  
  I went to some old cathedrals in the UK a few years ago and there are graves for bishops who died about five hundred years ago aged eighty or ninety.
  How could they live so long back then when medicine was pretty much non existent?
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:50am
  - fernglas
    
    Luck
    
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    November 15, 2020 1:00pm
- peterwn
  
  “Even just 60 years ago both my grandfathers died of post-op infections.” These may have been avoidable even then. Penicillin was a mature drug even then.
  My grandmother died of a post-op infection 65 years ago (in UK). They left a clamp inside her and the theatre sister thought she had mis-counted the instruments and said nothing. If she had spoken out a quick X-Ray (that was another mature technology) would have confirmed that. She got worse and died with the doctors blaming the nurses for inadequate care and vice versa. That was completely avoidable, even 65 years ago.
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:19am
- rouppe
  
  I had my gallbladder out 17 days ago.
  
  I was pain free from about day 4 and my biggest problem is avoiding the risk of tearing open the arthroscopic ports.
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:22am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes. Yet too many people take it for granted. Or more likely they have no idea how far we have come. Just consider smallpox and polio.
  
  Cancer is now the last frontier of sorts. If you get lung cancer or pancreatic cancer for example, your survivability is little improved compared to 50 years ago. Hopefully that will change in coming decades.
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:25am
Captain Mainwaring

All Blacks disaster.
It’s all Cindy’s fault.
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November 15, 2020 8:14am
- RF
  
  No no …. 3 years of National Govt. The left will blame John Key.
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    Um, no…nine long years.
    
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    November 15, 2020 2:09pm
    - RF
      
      Sorry… 3 terms. Too many gins on a hot day.
      
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      November 15, 2020 3:26pm
- softail 1450
  
  CM, have the ABs become to kind and huggy ?LOL.
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:34am
  - igm
    
    The moment that aotearower crap was introduced the performance took a dramatic downtturn.
    
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    November 15, 2020 10:19am
  - H. Upmann
    
    Cactus Kate has a great piece on kind and huggy —
    
    https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com
    
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    November 15, 2020 11:41am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I blame Trump myself . . .
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:36am
  - Paulus
    
    part namesake
    I agree, why is it that every time I read something public the writers (media and clones) all appear to be as rude about Trump as their ignorant abusing editors will let them.
    Whilst he is the scourge of the World some 49% of the US voters, some 75,000,000 voted for him.
    It is the same hear Cinderella wonderful Judith bad yet Labour/Greens only just made over 50%.
    I am sure I will be condemned and downticked having said this.
    Socialism wonderful, opposite scourge.
    
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    November 15, 2020 11:19am
- igm
  
  Under Labour leadership this country suffers in all facets.
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:41am
- Gravelroad
  
  Argentina coach Mario Ledesma joins 11 players in testing positive for Covid-19
  
  Kind of puts things in perspective a bit.
  Havn’t played together for months.
  Half the team had Covid.
  Still won.
  NZ now a very soft outfit all round.
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:42am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  The Black Flakes…
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:44am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    I was thinking about when the woke rot set in with the AB’s. Once an ardent rugby fan, they lost me in 2004 when the Captain stayed home to see the birth of his 3rd child. There aren’t many reasons to miss the birth of a child but leading the AB’s in South Africa was one of them. Add to that, hair ribbons, eye make-up and infantile gestures after try-scoring and I don’t miss it at all. The football-type histrionics to milk a penalty leaves me bereft of any respect. Soft cocks.
    
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    November 15, 2020 10:52am
    - mark15
      
      Make up?
      
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      November 15, 2020 11:22am
      - Twinkletoes
        
        You didn’t notice the eyeliner on one of the pretty Maori boys whose name I can’t remember? Looked good on him as well.
        
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        November 15, 2020 1:24pm
      - MCos
        
        Ma’a Nonu wore some mascara in a game once for a laugh.
        I don’t think anyone on the other side would have been grinning as he ran over them.
        
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        November 15, 2020 3:00pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Is that the best you can do, call the ABs names from behind a computer? Go do some gardening.
      I thought the Argies played exceptionally well, was disappointed the AB’s didn’t manage to widen the game, and that it looked liked they never changed their game plan.
      We tried (and tried) winning the aerial game using Geordie Barrett but it ultimately didn’t work. I would have liked to have seen more backs in close trying to run off the ruck and someone like Reece having a go on the flanks with Ioane and Clarke.
      But we got out-toughed on the night, silly slaps and all.
      
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      November 15, 2020 12:11pm
    - Cactus Kate
      
      It’s tough for the All Blacks. Halftime, normally reserved exclusively for the team talk to discuss tactics is now a time where players have to balance their lives.
      
      First up they have to call to say goodnight to their kids. Then they get berated by their wives, who demand to know why they’re not there having to put up with screaming kids.
      
      Then there’s the daily prayer and give thanks to …
      
      Then an organic vegan coconut water smoothie made with carbon credits.
      
      More prayer and then selfies and then halftime is finished off with a vulnerability session and men openly crying about a life less lived.
      
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      November 15, 2020 2:13pm
- sooty
  
  Told you all that they should have hired Raelene Castle!
  Did you listern to me. No, you did not!
  Go woke, go broke!
  Ao-tea-a-rugby, my arse!
  I see some scored the players and not not many passed!
  What about the coach?
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:47am
- hookerphil
  
  She didn’t appoint Ian Foster.
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:55am
- pdm
  
  Capt I blame Steve Tew and his mates.
  
  It was they who let Dave Rennie go to Australia and appointed Foster whose record with the Chiefs was poor.
  
  A Rennie/Robertson coaching team would have been formidable.
  
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  November 15, 2020 8:56am
- GazzaW
  
  Outplayed, out-thought and out-passioned.
  
  Where’s Razor’s phone number?
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:04am
  - MCos
    
    I’d be inclined to think they should have gone with Rennie when they had a chance or maybe Robertson.
    However.
    We’ve been down that road before when Robbie Deans was the successful Crusaders coach who was overlooked. All the one-eyed Cantabrians hollered & wailed, particularly when he was snapped up by Oz.
    As we all know he turned out to be a one hit wonder.
    
    Does Dame Noeline know anything about rugby?
    
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    November 15, 2020 3:16pm
- JerJer
  
  Fozzies going to his long term average of 50%. He might get there, he’s on 40% already.
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:30am
- Liberty
  
  The Mighty All blacks losing again.
  What else can you expect. The country has lost its Mojo
  A Loser is elected as Dear Leader and a cabinet that is way out of its depth.
  NZ has been turned into fortress NZ. We would be living in Gulags if it wasn’t
  For the Minister being so inept he couldn’t even build a house let alone a Gulag.
  Or a railway for the cattle trucks.
  Now the once proud All blacks. That 10yr old boys once looked up to as Gods.
  Wear Pink boots.
  
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  November 15, 2020 1:13pm
I remember when

Is the constant reference to racial and low skill job loss hiding the facts about our present position.
Why do we have to wait until the ‘easy’ stories have been exhausted to get some in-depth reporting.
When are the media going to start reporting the meaningful impacts and forget some of the ‘human interest’ filler.
Read quite an interesting article, in the housing section, at the weekend which largely disputed the returning New Zealander impact stories. Full of the sort of research of numbers available to every reporter.
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November 15, 2020 8:20am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  As always, find something ‘easy’ to blame it on. Not all the kiwis returning home were/are what you’d call ‘cashed up’
  
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  November 15, 2020 12:00pm
Surely Knott

Newshub’s front page headline, “Gharaman talks finding her place in her “ new autobiography. “. But the article is about Know your Place the autobiography that came out in June with full media coverage and interviews in June. It isn’t new. Maybe just a sales push from the media to help shift her books before Christmas.
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November 15, 2020 8:41am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Why arent they pushing the Jacinda Hagiographies??
  
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  November 15, 2020 10:09am
  - sooty
    
    Last ditch effort before they go to the $2 shop!
    
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    November 15, 2020 12:44pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Heh, I think you’ll see any spare Cindy hagiographies pulped before anyone dared tried to sell them in a $2 shop…
      
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      November 15, 2020 1:39pm
- Exclamation Mark
  
  Apart from getting it out of the bargin bin at the warehouse to use as the booby prize for the Christmas work do, I can’t imagine that anyone but her closest friends would buy this.
  
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  November 15, 2020 10:27am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  And at the Warehoue (where everyone gets a bargain) it nearly costs as much as the Sir David Attenborough book!
  
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  November 15, 2020 12:03pm
Master Mariner

Well this will be good for myself if common sense prevailed.
Especially for key workers esential for supply chains to remain open.
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/asean-australia-and-new-zealand-should-work-ease-travel-restrictions-says-pm-lee
However Im not holding my breath.
Wondering why all supplies are delayed, Well heres why.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supply-chain-delays-hit-retailer-restocking-efforts-11604073195
and ,
https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/crew-change-crisis
https://shippingwatch.com/regulation/article12558676.ece
Out of the whole globe, Little ole NZ is in the worse of it all mainly due too its location.
For me , Im off to work soon overseas and have no chance to book into MIQ upon return. I can see another 6 month tour coming up before being able to return.
All these blanket bans really piss me off
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November 15, 2020 8:50am
- Master Mariner
  
  Well as may carry on,
  The fiasco with the Ukranian Fisherman ( Not Russian) for Sealords and Independant fisheries has really thrown a curve ball at the likes of myself who work overseas in the Merchant Navy.
  Few things to take note off.
  1. Absolutely zero reliance on PCR tests pre arrival.
  2. The crews agent should be hang , drawn and quartererd. At least in the Media if not legally.
  ( You need an OKTB) Ok to board and a Letter of guarantee from them to bring into NZ, Basically means you are liable for any costs they incur, etc.
  3. No or little media releases from MNZ ( No real surprises there)
  
  This has put all NZ international Seafarers in the same basket which is not the case. Remember we keep the supply chains running, Fisherman dont or in this case they dont.
  The vessel Im joining will have to divert to Singapore for me to join which requires me to do a Pre Departure PCR test and one upon arrival, Once negative then join ship, ie 36hrs in isolated quaratine.
  Cant see any progress for Key Workers in MIQ procedures upon completion of Tour (normally 2 months, but realistically 4-6 months now).
  
  Ok 2 bobs worth.
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:28am
- muppeth8r
  
  what was a normal pre covid stint at sea be before you returned home?
  I feel sorry for folk like yourself, I know a few fifo kiwis in some dodge countries that havent been home since january and its been bloody hard on their families and lil children
  
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  November 15, 2020 10:55am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Sea freight from Shanghai, slightly effected (a week or 2) due to a lower volume world wide meaning NZ’s size the importance of freight here is disproportionately impacted.
    Air freight is now coming via Singapore instead of Hong Kong (probably due to the political troubles),
    now taking closer to 5-7weeks instead of 4-5weeks.
    BUT still largely due to delays in Auckland (1-2 weeks)
    
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    November 15, 2020 12:17pm
fernglas

From the Telegraph:
“Laying bare the misconceptions around the threat from the pandemic, the Savanta ComRes survey, for Conservative Woman, reveals that the majority of people – 52% – believe “long” Covid affects one in three when in fact it is around one in 20.

The median age at which people think coronavirus victims have died is just 65 when the real average is 82.4 years. Average life expectancy is 81.1 years, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

The poll found that 41% think the virus has been the single biggest cause of UK deaths in 2020, when ONS data shows that, for September, it was the 19th cause in England and the 24th in Wales.

The survey also revealed attitudes around vaccines and lockdowns, and some of the worrying collateral impact on healthcare and mental well-being.

Only around six in 10 people (59%) say they will accept a Covid vaccine, leaving more than 21 million Britons who would not (17%) or are neutral/don’t know (24%).

Six in 10 – 61% – agree that the UK will need repeated lockdowns until a vaccine is widely available, even though half of adults do not wish to see England’s second national lockdown extended beyond December 2nd.

42% say coronavirus pressures on the NHS have stopped them accessing non-Covid healthcare, equating to 22 million adults. 40% say their mental health has suffered as a result of the restrictions.”

It would be interesting to find out if new Zealanders labour under similar misconceptions, and have the same attitude to vaccination.
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November 15, 2020 9:15am
- fernglas
  
  Another interesting stat. from the UK is that critical care bed use is currently about 10% below the five year average. Apparently most of the surge in admissions is catching up on patients who were shut out during the first lockdown
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:19am
SB2

Washington Protest speaker calls Fox News ” Enemy of the people”

https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1327671243471003648

LOL!
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November 15, 2020 9:27am
Maggie Pie

We’ve only got the one big telly here at the beach, so last night i was forced to watch the Rugby. As soon as I saw them run out wearing the pink boots, silly haircuts, and they even had that same little guy in the team that cried in public when he was outed for having sex with a disabled woman in a toilet at the Christchurch Airport, I said to my partner, “we’re stuffed”
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November 15, 2020 9:29am
- Catgurl13
  
  And then they got walloped!!
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:35am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I thought aotearoa’s half back was Freddie Mercury reincarnated…
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:50am
- RiP NZ
  
  Downtick by accident MP.
  The ABs still win wokest rugby team awards though, so that’s something I guess.
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:56am
- Tricati
  
  How true and succinctly put – The All Blacks have gone ‘woke’.
  
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  November 15, 2020 9:56am
- Justitia
  
  Yes Maggie, I had to watch it too because our dinner guests wanted to. What an ill disciplined, petulant rabble the Aotearoan players were! I won’t call them New Zealanders because they are a disgrace to the very name.
  
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  November 15, 2020 10:04am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Arrogance is a big factor. Just follow Rieko Ioane. Drops the ball trying a fancy scoring move. Supposedly gets a stern message. Next game tries the very same technique. “I know better than my coach”. Look at the chip on his brother’s shoulder.
  
  They want 5 star hotels and all the trimmings. They need taking down a peg or two. They were poorly coached and poorly led last night.
  
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  November 15, 2020 10:04am
  - muppeth8r
    
    Most are only in it for themselves/ their egos not the team so until that changes theyre gunna keep getting smashed.
    
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    November 15, 2020 10:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And remember when men were men?
    
    https://twitter.com/voguemagazine/status/1327359624803209228
    
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    November 15, 2020 10:24am
- Swifty
  
  To be fair, it was a disabled toilet, not a disabled woman.
  
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  November 15, 2020 10:27am
  - The Boss
    
    So you and your upticks do not get Maggie’s sharp humour? Really?
    
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    November 15, 2020 3:27pm
- Biscuit
  
  Je suis appalled, Maggie.
  
  Just the one big telly!
  
  I have emailed Carmel Sepulani so that you can be fast-tracked into a benefit or 69 to rectify this shameful situation!
  
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  November 15, 2020 11:22am
- RW Capitalist
  
  The failing of the All Blacks IMO.
  Started when they turned it into a “brand” hogged all the best players into the “company” system and started controlling where and when they played (provincial) rugby.
  Provincial rugby and therefore the “dream” path for kids, was damaged because they NEVER (or almost never) get to see their heros play.
  The crowds diminish and the downward spiral starts.
  
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  November 15, 2020 12:24pm
  - The Boss
    
    The cracks were already apparent during the Lions’ tour.
    
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    November 15, 2020 3:33pm
- Jade Warrior
  
  Colin Meads must be spinning in his grave. ?
  
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  November 15, 2020 12:31pm
Catgurl13

Little Jack Tame on Q&A now is interviewing Chris Liddell (Chief of staff) in the Whitehouse. Jack looks like a fool. He looks like a school boy interviewing the grown up. He’s trying to trap Chris into being negative about Trump,but Chris is politely shutting down and keeping it professional. Jack’s lefty questioning is embarrassing,small time and dumb.
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November 15, 2020 9:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I watched that – dunno why now. Tame is a pathetic little child
  
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  November 15, 2020 12:55pm
- SpencerArnold
  
  Jack keeps trying to provoke him and getting nowhere. Mr Liddell reminds me of John Key and Peter Jackson; all have folksy down-beat personas but obviously have the skills to match whomever they come up against.
  
  I hope Mr Liddell gets his own Ted talk channel soon.
  
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  November 15, 2020 1:57pm
Nickc2

We were stuffed when the Blazer Brigade of NZ Rugby selected Foster as coach of the ABs. If they were concentrating on winning rather than Pink Gin with beer chasers, they would have appointed Razor Robinson as coach.
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November 15, 2020 9:47am
RJ

My apologies to David, I have always kept the ad blocking software turned off on kiwiblog, but the last few days the ads have been getting even worse. Full page ads, and now this. This is stupid.

https://ibb.co/GH1C07p
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November 15, 2020 9:52am
- Gravelroad
  
  Agree RJ. Quite disrespectful of commenters to have a sizeable advert in the middle of their post.
  
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  November 15, 2020 11:57am
Sigmund Freud

I’ll wander off to the swamp called You Stupid Boy blog. I wonder what far, far right-wing shite ‘dead-head Ed’ will be posting today?
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November 15, 2020 10:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

Identity politics is a ‘curse’ on modern politics:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6209802839001
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November 15, 2020 10:19am
- muppeth8r
  
  id go further then that and say identity/tribalism is a curse on all of society, its slowly fracturing and breaking apart the social fabric thats held (most of) the world together.
  
  its not accidental, divide and conquer has been a means of winning since man started warfare in ancient times.
  
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  November 15, 2020 10:24am
Maggie Pie

The tide appears to be turning in Trumpy’s favor as the recounts continue.

‘Judicial Watch’ has already discovered 1.8 million DEAD VOTERS cast in favor of Joe!!

https://twitter.com/13thethe/status/1327602692181602304

MAGA2020
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November 15, 2020 10:47am
- RJ
  
  I wouldn’t be surprised if the dead voted for Cindy, it’s the only reason I can think labour put their billboards up next to the cemetery. Not only next to it but across the road from it too.
  
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  November 15, 2020 10:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The brain dead voted for her
    
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    November 15, 2020 12:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some media calling it the other way. Arizona and Georgia
  
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  November 15, 2020 11:26am
giltee

Something I read long ago the history around the name aotearoa is a hoax and was created in colonial times but I haven’t researched it:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/205670/i-Aotearoa-a-European-hoax-i
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November 15, 2020 11:12am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Looks like Trump may have lost according to media opinion (and that’s all it is at this stage)
The Establishment has protected itself. 15 reasons from Dan Bongino. The swamp is huge.
https://bongino.com/15-reasons-i-could-never-support-a-democrat?
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November 15, 2020 11:16am
- SB2
  
  A swamp thats got bigger and bigger since 2016 bogged down with his cronies and sycophants,.
  
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  November 15, 2020 1:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Yesterday I had lots of issues posting on KB. Sorry for creating a mess. Posting was happening before I finished typing, so I gave up and went to the spa with beer and whisky.
Problems are not here today. But was it me, was it KB, or was it WordPress?
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November 15, 2020 11:31am
- RJ
  
  Post from the spa with the whiskey then you won’t care ow the posts go
  
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  November 15, 2020 11:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    1 beer and 1 whisky? Grow up wowser
    
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    November 15, 2020 12:58pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yes i noticed that Steven. Very odd.
  It was in response to my GD post about how much smarter the Chinese are in finding ways to circumvent our laws, compared to the Public Servants who are supposed to enforce them.
  
  Would you care to re-post? We were all most intrigued about what you were trying to say?
  
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  November 15, 2020 11:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It was about your reply “YUP – when it comes to matters money, your average Chinaman is a sh*t load smarter than your average Public Servant.”
    I was trying to point out that we do not have “Public Servants’ They do not serve anyone except themselves.
    We have State Sector Employees. Wonder if the Trolls at Fraser House were involved?
    
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    November 15, 2020 12:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Oh, people only call me Stephen when I have done something wrong – like my late Mother LOL
    
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    November 15, 2020 12:13pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      And the judge, in my experience . . .
      
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      November 15, 2020 1:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Sure was. Remember the leather drive belt on the Singer treadle sewing machine?
        
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        November 15, 2020 3:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/disney-warns-subscribers-some-old-content-features-white-cisgendered-males?
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November 15, 2020 11:32am
Brian McDonald

I wanted to download the song “Arizona” onto the board yesterday but couldn’t manage it.
Thought it would have been a nice reminder for the Trumpsters about the difference between a war hero and a draft dodger.
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November 15, 2020 12:13pm
- muppeth8r
  
  one only becomes a hero if they die during the act
  
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  November 15, 2020 12:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Not sure if this link from FB will work. Dunno who the guy is, but it comes from Candace Owens’ page.
If it works can some of you more Legal types decipher and explain please? You will not hear this on the fake news media.
https://www.facebook.com/100001135391877/videos/3890232254357916/
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November 15, 2020 12:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  FB fact checkers will prob delete it, or flag it as false, without an explanation. They have been censoring all sorts of conservative stuff
  
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  November 15, 2020 12:43pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  WOW! thx for linkng Steve. Thats one of the best posts we’ve ever hard as to why Trumpy will not, or should not, concede.
  
  STRAP IN – its gonna be an xciting ride 😛
  
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  November 15, 2020 1:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I liked the bit where he mentioned that Hillary told Biden to never concede. Nasty woman, but she knows her stuff
    
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    November 15, 2020 2:27pm
- Fletch
  
  Yep, I have heard this before. Someone posted this the other day, and Trump refers to “one state, one vote” in one of his speeches.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBgw-eEK30w
  
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  November 15, 2020 2:44pm
lifesgood

A very successful rugby coach I knew used to say that once rugby players started caring more about their hair and appearance their game went to the dogs. Yep, that’s the all blacks. These guys are paid a lot of money and treated like lords. It’s about time they had a code…tidy haircuts, black boots and minimal, if any tats, then they might start to concentrate on their game.
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November 15, 2020 2:18pm
RJ

Sad to see the footage being posted that after trump supporters have a peaceful March antifa and BLM are now attacking and harassing people in DC.
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November 15, 2020 2:19pm
- RJ
  
  https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327737656369840128
  
  https://twitter.com/FromKalen/status/1327759618437689344
  
  https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1327751576048463872
  
  https://twitter.com/FromKalen/status/1327754471200448513
  
  https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1327754885886951424
  
  https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1327744558894026766
  
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  November 15, 2020 2:25pm
Fletch

Trump supporters in the rally taking place today attacked multiple times. One guy hit from behind, stomped on the head, etc. Multiple other attacks.

https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/11/14/leftists-mob-stomps-on-head-of-trump-supporter-in-dc-rally/
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November 15, 2020 2:33pm
- RJ
  
  Unfortunately for the USA the left are going to become even more unhinged
  
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  November 15, 2020 3:41pm
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, I can’t fathom how some on KB wish (by any means) for a Biden win and then expect this savagery to disappear.
  
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  November 15, 2020 3:52pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    “Some men just want to watch the world squirm.”
    
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    November 15, 2020 7:04pm
Maggie Pie

Yup – and i see ol’ Sleepy is bringing her on as part of his team
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November 15, 2020 2:41pm
John Joseph

The All Blacks represent New Zealand very well.

They Loose.

Have they been offered a Wellness program yet.
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