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Iamright

So where is our great leader. Seems to have gone into hibernation. No appearances at the daily covid release. Is that because she doesn’t need to campaign anymore? A little birdie suggested she is visting an island somewhere in the Pacific. If that is indeed the case it’s hardly setting a good example. But then again it wouldn’t look good. If it is true will she go into MIQ.
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October 28, 2020 8:06am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Bro – She is working so hard to form a gummit to rule over you and save your life from Covid. Farmers, small business, Taranaki Sheeple – all are waiting eagerly for the Princess to return and rule them all.
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:11am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Ardern’s going to be ruling the winds of economic disarray, Poohbah frightened out of his wits as to what he has done with so much money he created, (did he really need to push house price up?), Grrrrns demanding she fix the planet…
    Has she explained whatever happened to the flu, it seems to have vamooshed.
    
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    October 28, 2020 8:47am
    - oldfella
      
      KOB: our beloved leader, and great communicator, is also busy working out how to explain to we plebs that although she knowingly lied to us about border testing it was for our own good.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300143515/cabinet-knew-about-lack-of-border-tests-before-august-outbreak
      
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      October 28, 2020 10:17am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It was to her benefit–The lies should be enough to void the election. However she got what she thought she wanted, now she has to face reality and perform.
        
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        October 28, 2020 12:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Relax,
  Chippie is handling the weekly RNZ Morning Report interview.
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:32am
  - sooty
    
    Who’s doing the 1pm presser?
    Certainly ramped up CCP Virus advertising!
    
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    October 28, 2020 8:45am
    - igm
      
      Seems MSM are under orders to keep China out of their so-called news releases.
      Why is this?
      They have stuffed the world’s economies with their virus, yet are not being held to account by majority of Western media . . . Communism moves in dangerous circles.
      
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      October 28, 2020 10:30am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Maggy she’s planning a Wedding.
    
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    October 28, 2020 10:30am
- JackRabbit
  
  “If it is true will she go into MIQ.”
  
  Very unlikely, why would she go into MIQ if she knows it is not necessary. No personal actions, and the management protocols of MIQ of this govt over Covid-19 indicate they consider the threat in NZ serious.
  
  The virus propagation in enclosed spaces such as supermarkets is many times as potent as that in an open air vege stall. So they banned open air vege stalls and enforced use of supermarkets.
  
  “The Amish were asked why the COVID-19 virus hadn’t affected any of their population. The response was ‘We don’t have TV.'”
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:34am
- Bobba Fret
  
  She is busy talking to the Greens.
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:59am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    That’s just to keep those Nat supporters who voted for her to keep the Greens out on their toes…
    
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    October 28, 2020 10:10am
- IC5000
  
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  Your newly re-elected Prime Minister Jacinda Adern is taking a much needed break with her daughter from having crushed the National Party for the second time.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:17am
  - Michael Duke
    
    Second time???
    
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    October 28, 2020 9:29am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Feel free to explain how she crushed the National Party the first time.
    
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    October 28, 2020 9:34am
  - Lance
    
    Because all NZers have a long break after working hard… no…. wait
    
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    October 28, 2020 9:37am
  - TheGordyEffect
    
    Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
    
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    October 28, 2020 11:44am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  One of the air taxi’s has been to Miami and Honolulu this week, then disappears with the old N/A. out of HNL.
  Maybe she has flown one way to Aussie, her most successsful bubble yet.
  
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  October 29, 2020 10:40am
Tauhei Notts

I took a $250 bet at $2.40 on Trump. The bettor advised that he hopes Trump loses, and the bet is his form of insurance. I told him that I hope Trump wins and taking the bet is my form of insurance.
A classic win-win situation.
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October 28, 2020 8:07am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
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  Sorry for the loss of your hard earned $250. Sleepy Joe is sleep walking to victory folks.
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:12am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    You know as much about politics as you know about betting. I gave odds of $2.40, so I stand to lose $350, not $250. But the loss of $350 will be compensated by watching the trendy lovely ones squirm, moan, cry, belly ache, grizzle and carry on as if their home is in a tree; if Trump gets up to win.
    I cannot recall another time in my 72 year life where losing $350 will make me euphoric.
    
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    October 28, 2020 8:28am
    - IC5000
      
      I’m long on trump and dearly hope to Uber eats a packet of chocolate fish to Batman.
      
      Sweetest loss ever y’all!!!
      
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      October 28, 2020 10:27am
    - Flossie
      
      I don’t understand betting (obviously) but I can’t see how you lose 350 if you bet 250? Can you explain please.
      
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      October 28, 2020 11:14am
      - C J Southern
        
        He didn’t bet $250 – he TOOK a $250 bet. He’s the bookie.
        
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        October 28, 2020 11:15pm
  - Deagle
    
    Walking? Hey he might even break out into a little jog! Look at how much energy he has!
    https://rumble.com/vauvxl-joe-bidens-entrance-at-his-rally-just-now-is-the-most-embarrassing-thing-iv.html?mref=23gga&mc=8uxj1&fbclid=IwAR15oZ51XPuv3OobZ_EArQ7m5yaGC5JIiC7B4u4ZBR-XLKzqV8CjzOSS6FU
    
    And if you look closely, you can see there’s 100% attendance at his rallies!
    
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    October 28, 2020 8:47am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      yup, look at the huge enthusiastic crowd!
      
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      October 28, 2020 9:37am
    - lifesgood
      
      OMG that is down right embarrassing. A handful of, no doubt, paid attendees. Good grief!
      
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      October 28, 2020 10:13am
    - Jimmy White
      
      I noticed the big ass Video screen so that he does not need to remember anything.
      
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      October 28, 2020 10:34am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Is that how Ardern did it?
    
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    October 28, 2020 8:47am
- Deagle
  
  Where do you go to bet on Trump winning? I’ll take those odds!
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:14am
- Mike
  
  A fool and his money,,,
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  C’mon… there’s more important things to be betting on next Tuesday….
  https://www.justhorseracing.com.au/melbourne-cup/
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:37am
  - tf78
    
    Maggy, Bendigo today Race 4 No. 7 – Riding the Wave.
    
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    October 28, 2020 9:41am
    - sooty
      
      Tis a shame Whinny can go, but has to have a lockdown holiday on the way home!
      
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      October 28, 2020 12:37pm
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        Maybe he could receive the cup on behalf of the owners, they are forbidden to attend.
        
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        October 29, 2020 10:55am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Hosking reported that the busiest google search today is ‘can I change my vote?’
  
  Which way, I wonder, after the final debate and Biden’s ‘four more years of George, ehhh George’ stammer, plus the hypocrisy of Biden’s Tough of Drugs while Hunter was merrily cracking on…
  
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  October 28, 2020 11:17am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Folks – Predictions with special votes.

1. Shane Reti bro is going to lose his seat
2. Tamati Coffey will win his seat
3. Chloe will lose Auckland Central
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October 28, 2020 8:14am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Who cares? This govt will be overtaken within 12 months.
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:48am
  - MCos
    
    Overtaken by what?
    
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    October 28, 2020 9:21am
    - Jimmy White
      
      Failure, Incompetence, Lack of progress, I could go on
      
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      October 28, 2020 10:36am
      - C J Southern
        
        But the average kiwi voter REWARDS those attributes.
        
        They’ve just had a landslide win on the back of 3 years of failure, incompetence, and lack of progress.
        
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        October 28, 2020 11:19pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Overtaken?
    
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    October 28, 2020 9:30am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      They are to amateur to know what they will have to face with a global financial crisis amongst other things facing them. This will test the best and Ardern R.’s lot are going to freak out.
      
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      October 28, 2020 1:00pm
- lifesgood
  
  I hope you are wrong, wrong and right.
  
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  October 28, 2020 10:14am
- curry4me
  
  Sir Cullens Sidekick: I hope your prediction about Tamati Coffey is right. Its 2020. No racially based parties needed.
  
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  October 28, 2020 1:24pm
- Isobar
  
  First one is likely, last two unlikely.
  
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  October 28, 2020 1:55pm
artemisia

I hesitate to give oxygen to the Indigenous Pacific Uprising, though they have had some media attention recently, but it is worth understanding the group’s POV in the light of no more 3 strikes and the new government’s probable prison policies. The group’s views are extreme but no doubt will be considered as part of policy development and may inform some aspects.

The below link is to their recent press release and this quote is representative. Noticeably there is no mention of victims of actual crime, or what exactly ‘mass incarceration’ means.

We have a system of mass incarceration, a wide variety of laws and institutional practices ranging from racial profiling to biased sentencing policies. Māori are trapped in a virtual and very literal cage, where we live in a closed circuit of perpetual marginality.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2010/S00264/prisons-no-place-for-maori.htm
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October 28, 2020 8:15am
- cmm
  
  I wonder how many strikes you got under traditional Maori law?
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:30am
  - JackRabbit
    
    With a Mere, one was usually enough.
    
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    October 28, 2020 8:37am
  - sooty
    
    One on the head with a club!
    
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    October 28, 2020 8:48am
  - fernglas
    
    One, usually to the side of the head.
    
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    October 28, 2020 8:55am
  - igm
    
    699
    
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    October 28, 2020 8:55am
- Surely Knott
  
  “We have a system of mass incarceration, a wide variety of laws and institutional practices ranging from racial profiling to biased sentencing policies. ”
  
  I agree that the racial profiling leading to biased sentencing is unacceptable. Perhaps they should look to Critical Race Theory as the problem not the solution.
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:47am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Prisons run by iwi? Remember utu?
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:19am
  - kowtow
    
    The prisons are already run by the gangs…….
    
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    October 28, 2020 9:24am
    - IC5000
      
      True for once. Your 100k a year takes a amateur criminal and turns him into a professional with mean hookups to the bro’s.
      
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      October 28, 2020 10:29am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  There is no “mass incarceration” problem among Maori, but a mass commission of crime problem. They need to look in the mirror for the source of their problems.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:57am
Nukuleka

I read a recent RNZ news item in which a leading Islamic academic and head honcho in a nationwide Islamic Council Tahir Nawaz was calling for Islam to be a compulsory subject in New Zealand schools. This is ostensibly to counteract any religious extremism that might lead to radicalisation and terrorism. Seems this chappie holds some sort of fellowship at the Maori University in Wellington Te Herenga Waka. Expect a great deal more of this sort of thing over the next 3 years.
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October 28, 2020 8:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Muslim community is small and forceful. Why should they have privileges not available to others? Teaching Christianity in schools is not allowed in State Schools–the schools can be notionally suspended for that purpose.
  We don’t need to understand their culture before they understand ours.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:24am
  - Unity
    
    People should look at the UK. They have let so many Muslims into their country that they now have Sharia Law and no-go areas where even the Police fear to tread. One part of their country looks like somewhere in the Middle East or Asia. The very fabric of their society is changing. Do we want that here?!!
    
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    October 28, 2020 9:44am
    - Twinkletoes
      
      I think if Kiwis believe there are no sharia courts hidden away in Muslim communities in NZ they are very naive.
      
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      October 28, 2020 11:12am
  - Yvette
    
    KevO’Brien – We don’t need to understand their culture before they understand ours.
    
    It seems, Kev, that Tahir Nawaz thinks this major restructuring of the New Zealand school curriculum is to cater for their own Islamic children and students, because their present education allows what France’s Macron is currently challenged with, to the extent of “domestic separatism” – so it supposedly is not to initially benefit the general New Zealand students’ understanding of Islam.
    
    In countries like the United Kingdom and across Europe, although a large number of Muslims follow the traditional Islamic way of life, there is concern around the number of Muslims becoming radicalised in their religion.
    
    To be sure, the main cause for the rise in Muslim extremism overseas is the brainwashing and radicalisation of Muslims with inaccurate Islamic teachings and ideologies.
    
    The best result is achieved when a proper balance is struck in imparting Islamic education alongside Kiwi cultural values to Muslim children during a normal school period. For this to happen, a group or panel of Islamic educators should be brought under one roof to develop a proper and balanced Islamic curriculum with input from government and faith groups.
    
    This Islamic curriculum should be taught in intermediate and secondary schools. New Zealand’s homegrown Muslim children should consider themselves Kiwis and should develop their faith alongside the Kiwi culture. It is vital the Government take the lead in ensuring the development of a ‘wholesome’ Islamic syllabus. In order to create our own homegrown Kiwi Islamic scholars in the future, the education system should be revamped and allow Muslim students and others to offer Islamic studies at the NCEA level.
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom/a-case-for-teaching-islam-in-schools
    
    As this is very unlikely to happen, I wonder what Tahir Nawaz next proposition is.
    
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    October 28, 2020 10:04am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Let them teach their own as others have had to do.
      
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      October 28, 2020 1:03pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  I think that “calling for Islam to be a compulsory subject in New Zealand schools” will radicalise more people than simply leaving Islam in the homes of the apparently ungrateful immigrants who practice it. As was inevitable, these are the early signs of the friction that always results between divergent cultures. Globalisation and the replacement of the Western nation’s founding stock with multicultural policies are both sources of radicalisation, as was demonstrated in Christchurch. But people refuse to connect the dots.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:38am
  - Unity
    
    My understanding of what is happening in the UK is that it is second generation (those actually born in the UK) young people who are becoming radicalised and that it is happening in the Mosques. It’s not their parents who are the problem but the Leaders in the Mosques. So, I doubt teaching it in schools will make any difference to whether they become radicalised or not. It’s the Mosques and what goes on in them that we have to be worried about.
    
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    October 28, 2020 12:20pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We can’t even do Maori properly in schools. Do we wan’t more activist created divisions?
    
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    October 28, 2020 1:04pm
Sarkozygroupie

The Lancet review of the pandemic responses of Taiwan and New Zealand.

Currently the NZ Govt is skirting around committing to a timeframe for a review of its pandemic response. The following gives a very good indication as to why.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(20)30044-4/fulltext
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October 28, 2020 8:18am
- SGA
  
  Not sure what makes you think so, it’s not that damning of NZ’s response. As I read it, it is more that they praise Taiwan for already being prepared to deal with an incident with a virus like Covid19 (unlike most countries). In contrast, NZ’s plans were more reactive (as in most countries) because our existing plans (in place over some years) were more suited to an influenza outbreak.
  That’s how I read it?
  
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  October 28, 2020 10:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That’s a very limited reading..
    
    The Paper clearly identifies a number of factors that operated in Taiwan’s favour:
    1. Taiwan has a stand-alone Centre for Disease Control
    2. As you mentioned… Taiwan had a more robust Pandemic plan than NZ’s Influenza Plan
    3. Taiwan had ready availability of masks…and people wear them
    4. Taiwan has rapid and extensive contact tracing in place
    5.Taiwan instigated border management procedures on December 31st 2019.
    
    Taiwan went early, used precision methods and did not need to put its nation into lockdown.
    
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    October 28, 2020 12:00pm
    - SGA
      
      Not really, Maggy. To me, the article concentrates on how well prepared Taiwan was for this incident compared to nearly any other country. Why do you think the authors chose to compare Taiwan and NZ (as opposed to the UK, USA, or Australia)? Because they thought NZ’s response was so abysmal? Or, it demonstrates the advantages of being well-prepared even over a country that responded reactively, and relatively successfully, to the threat?
      
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      October 28, 2020 2:00pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      One thing I’d disagree with is the masks, we have pretty well conclusive scientific evidence that mask wearing has at best a minimal impact on the spread of a respiratory virus.
      
      But Taiwan (and Singapore) both used hand held forehead scanning thermometers that were rapidly and widely deployed. Using these they could very rapidly identify those with a fever, and they are those most likely with the virus, with symptoms, and in an infectious state. I don’t think NZ ever used temperature monitoring but relied on self reported symptoms, though I could be wrong and they were used in same places.
      
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      October 28, 2020 5:11pm
  - Isobar
    
    SGA i agree.
    
    I think it is admirable to look at how the best are doing it and look to improve systems and preparedness for the next one.
    
    But at the same time, it is a bit tall poppy to say how bad we’ve got it. When you’ve got one of the best responses in the world, it sure is good to be in the top 5 or so countries, when compared to the hundred or so that have done a much worse job then us, including all of our main trading partners.
    
    Could things be done better – of course and lets learn and improve, but at the same time. We are in a very luckily place right now and the envy of many in the world.
    
    Also re a review – when you may only be half way through this thing, is it possible to have a meaningful review?
    
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    October 28, 2020 12:04pm
cmm

PriNZess killing brown babies:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cot-death-prevention-in-new-zealand-stalled-by-long-wait-for-investigations/K63PXOVZUJHALZSWEYYM4SC3NA/

The numbers were getting better under nine years of neglect. Under three years of perfectionism they go backwards.

It’s all very well having silly ideologies and dressing up in Che berets, but in grown up world they have consequences.
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October 28, 2020 8:19am
- Lance
  
  The toady MSM will continue to cover this up, or somehow blame National.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:40am
jacob

Another day, another lie

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cabinet-knew-about-lack-of-border-tests-before-august-outbreak
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October 28, 2020 8:23am
- Bobba Fret
  
  And the voters just do not care. I find it amazing that the majority are happy to be lied to.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:14am
  - Nickc2
    
    Why was the 4th Estate so complicit in this? Oh, that’s right, $50m shuts down a lot of mouths and hyperactive keyboards.
    
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    October 28, 2020 10:04am
- nathie
  
  Wonder why Labour got re-elected? (Rhetorical question).
  
  Because yet again the MSM (Newsroom in this case) plays down the incompetence of Labour (and the leadership i.e. PM), by using weasel words such as the Cabinet had been misunderstanding weekly briefings from the MoH (that were indicating that testing of border-facing staff was in the process of being implemented but was NOT fully rolled out).
  
  Now one would think that if the DG of Health was also having regular (as in weekly or perhaps 2/3/4 times a week during peak covid events) meetings with Cabinet, that they would, even eventually, get to understand where the MoH was coming from.
  
  Instead we are told that the Cabinet misunderstood … I call BS on that and would like to see the MSM drill down deeper on this, as it looks like to me that Cabinet was being deliberately disingenuous in order to allow them to evade responsibility.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:43am
  - cmm
    
    Because of branding.
    
    Brand Jacinda is hugz. Nothing about competence, therefore incompetence does not matter.
    
    Brand National is about competence. The clusterfuck of infighting did not demonstrate the required competence.
    
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    October 28, 2020 10:10am
cmm

Nomad scum that was raised by the gang was given a reduced sentence.

That might sound like compassion and fairness, but it is a terrible way to try apply a corrective force to a person.

A person who has lived their life in a gang will have been beaten, clipped around the ear hole etc etc. He is used to being treated harshly. He needs a harsh sentence to get the message.

In comparison, a person who has been raised in a loving environment only needs a frown from a judge or a cop to get the message.

But somehow society feels that giving a person who is used to a tough life a proper sentence is not fair. This might pass the cuddle test, but it is ineffective as a corrective force.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123219763/nomads-figure-who-was-raised-by-the-gang-gets-prison-sentence-reduced
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October 28, 2020 8:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He hadn’t been “raised by the gang” until he was 15 years old.
  Crikey, I know folks who were running their own lives, households, working and raising their own family at 15.
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:42am
  - cmm
    
    On the flip side, most MSM-types are probably still in mum’s basement at 35.
    
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    October 28, 2020 8:49am
    - Flossie
      
      How many NZ homes have basements? This is not USA.
      
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      October 28, 2020 10:13am
- kowtow
  
  That garbage was written by a “senior” reporter from stuff.
  
  It dripped sympathy for the thug and told us very little about the crime .
  
  Who actually murdered the victim ? Have there been any arrests ?
  
  In any event the thug had already been given a discount for his offending as the max for the crime is 7 years and the original sentence was a mere 3 years and a few months . For such a serious crime and for someone with such an extensive record he should have been getting the upper end of that 7 .
  
  Do our courts not feel they have any duty to protect society from organised and violent crime ?
  
  Effectively this guy could be out in only a year or so , having ordered a crime that resulted in a death. Pathetic.
  
  As a side issue , our Media are fixated with “white crime” . See top rating story on stuff regarding a swastika today. But scant real attention is given to these ethno gangs and the damage they do in society………
  
  Who shot at the cop car up north ?
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:57am
- Bobba Fret
  
  So he is responsible for the death of a person (getting stabbed 14 times!) and he now gets less than 3 years in jail!
  We have gone very soft on crime.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:06am
I remember when

Define Maori
Maori make up 50% of the prison population.
Oranga Tamariki removals of children are 56% Maori plus another 7% Maori/Pacific Islander.
We never mention that many Maori prisoners, etc, are perhaps 25, 50, 60% European.
Should we say the percentage of Maori prisoners is perhaps 36% and add 20% to the European prisoner total.
The word Maori becomes a catch-all phrase that increases their percentages in many of the worst statistics.
I feel no responsibility when a European commits a crime but can Maori do the same?
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October 28, 2020 8:30am
- cmm
  
  Is the problem really in the DNA?
  Most criminality and poor life choices are choice – as is identifying as a Maori.
  
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  October 28, 2020 10:01am
buzzler

So, the Greens have 10 MP’s, 3 male and 7 not male.
So what happened to their even mix of gender?
Asking for a friend.
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October 28, 2020 8:32am
- Flossie
  
  I am totally over this “co-leader” thing too. If it’s to have equal male to female representation in leadership what’s going to happen if a person of non determined gender gets to the top of the Green heap?
  
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  October 28, 2020 10:16am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    All in one!
    
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    October 28, 2020 11:49am
Rusty

Three News last night featured a news clip of Joe Biden referring to Donald Trump as George (Bush) and no mention of his gaffe.

As far as I know most of the news media around the world saw no problem with this.

The lefty woke media refuse to acknowledge Bidens dementia problems when any sensible person watching him speak can see for themselves he probably shouldn’t be running for president in the first place.
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October 28, 2020 8:32am
- RJ
  
  George was the name of the interviewer.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:15am
  - kowtow
    
    Tell me you’re taking the piss.
    
    Why would there be a need for “four more years of George” the interviewer .
    
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    October 28, 2020 9:27am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    This is the screwup in question. Watch it.
    It’s clear he was confused. “four more years of George uh, George uh, he uh…” as his wife quietly prompts and correct him with “Trump”
    https://youtu.be/02VsfhVUBD4?t=195
    
    A gaff like this in isolation is no big deal, but it’s part of a very very frequent pattern of confused utterances from someone who used to be pretty sharp.
    
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    October 28, 2020 9:39am
    - RJ
      
      The full interview is better and you can see he is replying to a question george has just asked him
      
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g1TU1qR5eEY
      
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      October 28, 2020 10:12am
    - Nickc2
      
      UrbanNeocolonialist, when was Biden pretty sharp? What has he achieved during his time at the trough? Oh, that’s right, he’s increased the family fortune by being a criminal. Yes, the action(s) he initiated in getting the Ukrainian Prosecutor fired was a criminal act (aiding and abetting his criminal son).
      
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      October 28, 2020 10:23am
  - cmm
    
    Jill Biden definitely thought it was a screw up. Watch her in the video and you see her trying to interject like a hovering helicopter mom.
    
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    October 28, 2020 10:12am
    - Nickc2
      
      Biden or his equally stupid side-kick Kamala with the Nuclear Codes? A very scary thought indeed.
      
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      October 28, 2020 11:24am
- MCos
  
  I didn’t see that news item.
  However.
  Prior to the debates we were told incessantly by those that support Trump and some that don’t that Joe Biden has dementia.
  Well what do you you know he showed no sign of the condition, much to my surprise. Stumbled over some words because he has a stutter.
  A lot is made of his mixing up names once in awhile. Good news for all you old codgers, like me, that’s not a sign of dementia.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:49am
  - Flossie
    
    And Trump saying how many Nobel Peace prizes he’s won is okay? Oh right – he just mis-spoke, he did mean “nominated for”.
    Not for either of those two but be fair with the criticisms.
    
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    October 28, 2020 10:20am
  - Fletch
    
    He was drugged to the gills, most probably. You can see it starting to wear off towards the end.
    
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    October 28, 2020 10:43am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Biden has:-
    memory loss
    difficulty concentrating.
    Finding it hard to carry out daily tasks (from his basement)
    Struggling to follow a conversation (or teleprompters)
    Finding the right word.
    Being confused about time and place.
    Mood changes.
    
    I rest my case MCos
    
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    October 28, 2020 10:47am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Agree, it is possible for short spans of time to use drugs to improve the short term memory and general functioning, but these wear off and have side effects. Plus you can’t take them all the time.
      
      Joe’s definitely gone downhill from where he was even just 2 years ago.
      
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      October 28, 2020 5:15pm
- Isobar
  
  Who cares – I am sure the outcome of the election will not revolve around how a small TV station in NZ reported on it.
  
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  October 28, 2020 12:08pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

” I get calls from my father to tell me that The New York Times is calling but my old partner Eric, who literally has done me harm for I don’t know how long, is the one taking the calls because my father will not stop sending the calls to Eric. I have another New York Times reporter calling about my representation of Patrick Ho – the fucking spy chief of China who started the company that my partner, who is worth $323 billion, founded and is now missing. The richest man in the world is missing who was my partner. He was missing since I last saw him in his $58 million apartment inside a $4 billion deal to build the fucking largest fucking LNG port in the world. And I am receiving calls from the Southern District of New York from the U.S. Attorney himself. My best friend in business Devon has named me as a witness without telling me in a criminal case and my father without telling me.”

But, you know, Bidens are not on the take from China or anything, and Joe’s not involved at all, and thre is nothing dodgy going on according to all DNC aligned media tech giants
https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/biden-recording-spy-chief-and-sdny/
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October 28, 2020 8:33am
- RJ
  
  The good news is Facebook has taken it on themselves to censor this, I wonder why
  
  https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1321094829141622784
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:17am
- Phronesis
  
  I don’t know. That bit about the NY Times actually doing an investigation doesn’t seem very plausible to me.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:22am
- Ed Snack
  
  The interview with Bobunski though is a thermonuclear bomb onto the Biden campaign.
  
  Joe has consistently denied ever having any input or discussions with his son about business, and Bobunski blows that out of the water. And he has texts, emails, recordings, the lot.
  
  So, is Bobunski a Russian Agent too ?
  
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  October 28, 2020 5:17pm
  - Batman
    
    A thermonuclear bomb delivered inside the hermetically sealed world of conservative media, on a show which it’s own station has argued is not to be taken seriously.
    
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    October 28, 2020 5:25pm
Catgurl13

It’s funny watching Marama trying so hard to talk herself and her party up,when then the media ask her what’s happening as far as a govt deal?. It looks like they are getting shafted haha.
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October 28, 2020 8:43am
- Flossie
  
  Shafted? I don’t think so. They simply are not needed to form a government. I hope Labour keeps them out,
  
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  October 28, 2020 10:22am
  - cmm
    
    Of course they were shafted.
    
    Do you remember the 2017 elections? Before the elections people were talking about Labour-and-Greens (all one word). They were absolutely assumed to be together and stay together and a joint political force.
    
    Now Labour manages to govern alone so Green get kicked to the curb.
    
    Used when it was expedient and discarded when not, therefore shafted.
    
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    October 28, 2020 3:42pm
burt

Just remember – there is never any need to lie in politics.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300143515/cabinet-knew-about-lack-of-border-tests-before-august-outbreak
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October 28, 2020 8:46am
- Ruahine
  
  Information suppressed by Gov’t until after the election. Many of us already knew this and that is why we were having all those propaganda ads on media about the ‘second wave’ which mysteriously appeared.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:04am
- MCos
  
  “Just remember – there is never any need to lie in politics.”
  
  Maybe not in NZ
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:51am
- Jimmy White
  
  Politics is the art of lying enough so people think its the Truth.
  
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  October 28, 2020 10:50am
Sam Hill

Just a couple of points about how bad the Green Party really is.

Here’s Golriz Gharaman:

“Aotearoa just overwhelmingly voted for governance by values that would be eroded if a guy like Liddell was the head of a governance body like the OECD.

@NZGreens is super proud NOT to back terrible people based on their nationality alone.”

Let’s backtrack a few years..

The Greens & Labour both opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership. They marched in the streets together. They said it would destroy our economy.

Then Trump was elected President and pulled the US out of TPP. Chris Liddell works for Trump. Liddell now wants to run the Organisation for Economic Development and Co-ordination.

In 2018, Labour signed the replacement CPTPP. The Greens were furious and also protested this:

“Green MP Golriz Ghahraman addressed a protest rally of about 100 at Parliament today saying that the Government was indulging in “spin” to sell their switch in position.

“It has been devastating to watch as the coalition parties have done such a complete turnaround, and have used what has essentially been spin to justify their turnaround on what is essentially the exact same agreement.”

So while Ms Gharaman was opposed to the government she is now working with signing a multi-lateral trade deal, she somehow thinks Mr Liddell’s support for a President who pulled out of the very same deal represents something terrible and “values opposed to New Zealand”.

This won’t come as a surprise to anyone who sees the far left for what they are, a rabble of virtue-signalling hypocrites.

Just for laughs, here’s a short list of reasons why Chris Liddell is a “terrible person”:

Dux & Best athlete at Mt Albert Grammar
Bachelor of Engineering at Auckland University
Master of Philosophy at Oxford University
Rhodes Scholar
NZ Army Reservist
CEO Carter Holt Harvey
CFO International Paper
CFO Microsoft
Vice Chairman General Motors

Sounds like he should be our Prime Minister. Maybe National should oppose his candidacy and get him back to New Zealand for the next election.
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October 28, 2020 8:51am
- alex Masterley
  
  Chris Liddell has more achievement in his pinky than Gloriz has in her entire body.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:17am
- MCos
  
  Just what National needs to lead the Party to the promised land. Another CV in a suit like the last bloke they tried and the current favourite to supplant Crusha.
  
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  October 28, 2020 10:04am
  - Sam Hill
    
    Key never lost an election. Liddell’s international business experience and leadership far exceeds either Luxon or Muller. He’d soon sort out all the bullshit ideas and candidates National are producing.
    
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    October 28, 2020 10:27am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Muller, what a fucking disaster.
      
      Should have stood down at the election.
      
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      October 28, 2020 12:52pm
      - MCos
        
        He was, wasn’t he, and yet more than half the National caucus thought he was better than the previous one on 22-May, and the current one for that matter.
        Isn’t that what counts?
        Both major parties have a poor record of guessing who is going to lead them to the promised land since the demise of R. Muldoon.
        
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        October 29, 2020 3:35pm
I remember when

Report by Mike Heron QC into live animal shipments showed we have robust checks and balances in place. These ensure the welfare of livestock transported by sea.
As a result of the report MPI stated that changes will include-
*Maritime inspection of livestock carriers by Maritime NZ.
*Restrict stocking densities to match the new Australian standards.
*Increase voyage reporting, including daily veterinary reports.
*Increase minimum fodder requirements to cover unplanned delays on voyage.
Livestock vessels operate according to international rules and certification, but NZ-based checks by Maritime NZ should provide extra vessel safeguards.
Largely a vindication of the industry.
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October 28, 2020 8:52am
- Nickc2
  
  Is it true the Greens are campaigning for special life-rafts for sheep and cattle onboard live export ships?
  
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  October 28, 2020 10:35am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Also one support person for each animal
    
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    October 28, 2020 10:53am
Cantabrian

Another report by Tony Heller debunking the climate alarmists. He comments on Trump’s appointment of David Legates to review the climate science methodology being used at NOAA. Once again Heller makes a mockery of the ‘science’ being used by the internation cabals who still attempt to convince us that there is an existential threat from climate change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_qnO04yaeY
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October 28, 2020 8:52am
rouppe

More lies from our government
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October 28, 2020 8:53am
I remember when

Interestingly I was in Foxton, at the ‘Foxton Fling’, on Sunday.
It was the Nomad stronghold for a period.
Saw my first ‘Nomad’ jacket wearer for a long time.
Thought they had died out.
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October 28, 2020 8:57am
- Swifty
  
  Very much alive.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:35am
Notsofast

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
An explanation for Trump and Boris Johnson behaving more stupidly than previously believed possible:

“A team of researchers from the Imperial College of London found that a growing number of patients who recovered from COVID-19 are suffering from “brain fog” and have seen their cognitive abilities diminish.

Patients who suffered the most severe symptoms of COVID-19 saw the largest mental decline. They found that people who were in the ICU or spent time on a ventilator saw their IQ drop by more than eight points. The effect was seen in patients who had mild symptoms as well, with some people who tested positive, showing a four-point decline in their IQ, which is the equivalent of aging five years.”

https://945wfla.iheart.com/content/2020-10-27-recovered-covid-19-patients-suffering-from-brain-fog-and-lower-iq/

Ridding the world of Trump will be an uncommon pleasure.
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October 28, 2020 9:01am
- RJ
  
  Ridding the world of people that kill their daughter and wife would be better.
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:20am
  - Notsofast
    
    Scalia:
    Executing an innocent man is fine if due process has been followed.
    A proposition no doubt attractive to Trump and his band of primitive thug judges.
    
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    October 28, 2020 11:19am
    - RJ
      
      Only person who thinks you are innocent is you, thankfully the rest of the country isn’t that stupid.
      
      Go back to your cell, no one cares about you, you are a skid mark in history
      
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      October 28, 2020 2:44pm
- All_on_Red
  
  “Birx said the projections by Dr. Anthony Fauci that U.S. deaths could range from 1.6 million to 2.2 million is a worst case scenario if the country did “nothing” to contain the outbreak, but said even “if we do things almost perfectly,” she still predicts up to 200,000 U.S. deaths.”
  
  They are at 220,000 so not quite ‘perfect’
  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dr-deborah-birx-predicts-200-000-deaths-if-we-do-n1171876
  
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  October 28, 2020 12:02pm
  - RJ
    
    Can we take the USA numbers as anything
    
    https://www.oann.com/cdc-reveals-hospitals-counted-heart-attacks-as-covid-19-deaths/
    
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    October 28, 2020 12:09pm
    - cmm
      
      Hospitals are paid more for CV19 patients. I wonder if that has any impact on them putting a thumb on the scale?
      
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      October 28, 2020 3:48pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  The Most Dangerous Disease in the World ?
  
  In this video, learn all about the most dangerous disease in the world. You’ll understand what you need to do to help slow the spread of this disease. If we all work together and follow the proper social guidelines, we can rid the world of this most dangerous disease once and for all:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkJPDXrlP6w
  ?
  
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  October 28, 2020 2:08pm
Bobba Fret

Hey does anyone know when “the year of delivery” starts?
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October 28, 2020 9:21am
- nathie
  
  Reply from the Govt: Wait for the Working Group to report back …
  
  Update from the Govt: Oops, wait for the Working Group to be convened first (as they’ve run out of Labour aligned flunkies), note no date has been set yet!
  
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  October 28, 2020 9:48am
- zulumonster
  
  Good question – looks like there will be more working group reviews delivered. Case in point the latest investigation into Transmission Gully cost overrun. https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/123219274/transmission-gully-review-into-continued-cost-blowouts-and-delays-under-way I’m sure this will provide a comprehensive answer to why this has been such a disaster, and will provide lessons for all future projects!
  I am intrigued that Sir Michael Cullen is part of this review given he is terminally ill. And in fact he may be allowed to end his life soon depending on the outcome of the referendum he supported so strongly!
  
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  October 28, 2020 11:17am
- lifesgood
  
  Only 2 years and 51 weeks of this govt, give or take.
  
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  October 28, 2020 2:19pm
Swifty

The screw has screwed himself:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/australian-prison-boss-wayne-harper-could-be-behind-bars-for-child-sexual-abuse-material/PHW2OH3E3BJNO6OJC2QIN2O32M/
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October 28, 2020 9:53am
I remember when

I see that in 2005 Randall Clinton Waho appealed his conviction for assaulting Mark Graham.
He was convicted for the assault of Jane Ryder, Robert Walker and Mark Graham.
During an altercation Graham was hit on head with baseball bat and suffered serious injuries.
Graham was in a coma for 12 days, suffered depressed skull fracture and has paralysis of one arm and grave speech difficulties.
Waho was not the principal offender.
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October 28, 2020 9:56am
BeeJay

In an interview on AlJazeera today, a Trump voter in Michigan said:
“Donald Trump is a great President, he’s kept more promises than he’s made”!
Can’t quite figure out how that works but does give an insight into Trump voters?
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October 28, 2020 10:21am
- Fletch
  
  Only if you can explain the love song, “I Knew I loved You Before I Met You” by Savage Garden…
  
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  October 28, 2020 10:56am
- Jimmy White
  
  Its called exaggeration and is a legitimate response to a stupid question. Increase your TDS medication
  
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  October 28, 2020 10:58am
- kowtow
  
  No, but it does give an insight into Al Jazeera .
  
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  October 28, 2020 11:32am
oldfella

Anyone else on here like DPF to post something on ‘should our police carry sidearms’?
I’m sure it would get some lively debate.
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October 28, 2020 10:43am
- Flossie
  
  Yes it would be an interesting debate.
  However in the latest incident of guns v. police I don’t believe it would have made any difference . The police car was being driven by a lone occupant and how would she have been been able to get her sidearm out (if she had one) and return fire to a shotgun?
  Possibly a sidearm could be very useful in other circumstances.
  
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  October 28, 2020 11:11am
  - Billy Collins
    
    I use to think that giving police guns wouldn’t make a difference because in pretty much every shooting of police, the cop is caught by surprise and would never have had the chance to defend themselves anyway.
    
    I’m less sure about this now. It is precisely because the police are not armed that the crims even attempt to gun them down. If crims knew they could end up in a gun fight with police and get shot, they wouldn’t even attempt it. They attempt it now because they know the odds are in their favour.
    
    Crims don’t even think to shoot armed cops.
    
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    October 28, 2020 1:04pm
Fletch

The left-wing Salon – Covid deaths have dramatically fallen across all age groups. So now the media are fixated on reporting cases.

https://www.salon.com/2020/10/24/covid-19-death-rates-have-drastically-fallen-among-all-age-groups-even-as-cases-spike/
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October 28, 2020 10:48am
- kowtow
  
  It’s now a govt created “pandemic” . The more you test , the more you find , the more you lockdown.
  
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  October 28, 2020 1:49pm
  - Batman
    
    This is absolutely terrible logic. Identifying cases doesn’t mean it didn’t exist previously…
    
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    October 28, 2020 2:01pm
    - cmm
      
      It depends on what you mean by a “case”.
      
      CV19 is the first time that there has been widespread asymptomatic testing for any virus/disease and we, as a species, just don’t know how to cope with the extra information because we have nothing to compare with.
      
      In the past all cases were symptomatic. No symptoms meant no testing meant not a case.
      
      Even with all this extra testing, CV19 is pathetically low compared with other pandemics. Spanish Flu had 300x as many infections (all seriously symptomatic). Asian flu and Hong Kong flu were much higher too.
      
      With the Spanish flu approx 30% of the world’s population showed symptoms. QUite likely 99% would have tested positive with CV19-level testing.
      
      Testing might sound scientific, but what does it really tell us?
      
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      October 28, 2020 3:57pm
  - Fletch
    
    That’s why Obama got states to stop counting numbers during the H1N1 pandemic, because they were so bad (60 million infected, etc).
    
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    October 28, 2020 3:58pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Treatment protocols have improved and a far higher proportion of cases are being detected. In first few months of epidemic most western countries were only identifying a small fraction of the cases – massive change in CFR is proof of that.
  
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  October 28, 2020 2:18pm
Fletch

After the Hunter Biden scandal there’s been a trend on Google for people searching “can I change my vote?” And wouldn’t you know it, in a lot of states they can!

It turns out that people in several states actually can change their vote, which is news to me. I did not know this. It’s probably news to most people that you can change your vote. In fact, several states including, New York, and the battleground states of Michigan, Minnesota, Washington, and Wisconsin allow you to change your vote. There might be more states that do that I’m not aware of. This includes, by the way, if you voted by mail or if you voted in early in-person voting.

There’s a New York Post article about the spike in searches for changing your vote. It spells out how you can change your vote in each of those states. In New York, for example, you just vote in person which will negate your previous vote by mail. Did you know that? Now, I don’t know what percentage of people in New York want to change their vote, but you never know. But all you’ve gotta do in New York is show up and vote on Election Day, and that will cancel — now, what if it doesn’t? What if it just adds your vote twice? I don’t know.

https://wtam.iheart.com/featured/rush-limbaugh/content/2020-10-27-pn-rush-limbaugh-hunter-effect-early-voters-want-to-change-their-vote-and-some-can/

Do it!
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October 28, 2020 10:50am
- Billy Collins
  
  What’s interesting is where this is being searched the most:
  
  1. Delaware
  2. Pennsylvania
  3. Minnesota
  4. Florida
  5. North Dakota
  
  3 of them are battleground states.
  
  To be fair though, it spiked the the most ever, and dramatically more after Trump tweeted about it 13 hours ago than since the Hunter stuff or the debate.
  
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  October 28, 2020 12:56pm
oldfella

Haven’t seen this discussed today:
“Immunity to Covid-19 may only last a matter of months, according to research that could hinder the rollout of a successful vaccine.
Scientists said the findings suggested a “rapid” decline in immunity, which could mean that even if a successful vaccine was found, it might have to be administered as often as twice a year.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300143551/covid19-immunity-only-lasts-a-few-months-study-finds
So, waiting for a vaccine might not be the get-out- of-jail card our leaders are hanging out for. Hmmm.
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October 28, 2020 10:59am
- Flossie
  
  Could be a massive cost for bugger all benefit.
  
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  October 28, 2020 11:11am
- rangitoto
  
  Antibodies are not relevant to long term immunity. It is completely normal for antibody levels to drop away after the infection has gone. The important thing is the retention of enough Memory B and T cells to mount a strong response to reinfection.
  
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  October 28, 2020 11:37am
Billy Collins

So the Herald runs a story about a former cricketer shitting on another cricketer, and they run the headline:

“Cricket: Marlon Samuels’ disgusting social media post about Ben Stokes’ wife”

Yet, in this social media rant, Samuel refers to Stoke as a “white boy” and speaks about having a “superior skin tone”, and we have no mention of racism in the headline or the story, besides a quote from a single tweet.

Why wouldn’t you lead with that?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket-marlon-samuels-disgusting-social-media-post-about-ben-stokes-wife/X7TCTABHPMW2V6AWUUH5TN3OCQ/
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October 28, 2020 11:02am
RJ

Will joe Biden be the Christmas number 1 this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5HCi-zsYE&feature=emb_logo
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October 28, 2020 11:51am
Catgurl13

Yes we really are ruled by a dictator here in NZ….I agree!!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-kiwis-fight-back-after-nz-compared-to-nazi-germany/N5RCKEXHQACFT4RW3R7QNIDQKI/
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October 28, 2020 12:01pm
krazykiwi

Scottish pubs to reopen, but alcohol is banned

Right. The Scotts will just love that.
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October 28, 2020 12:35pm
- kowtow
  
  Hoots Mon ,they’re getting the govt they deserve.
  
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  October 28, 2020 1:47pm
Swifty

I wonder what is the number of adults currently living in the area that the WCC governs?

Perhaps someone here can tell me.

Whatever it is, they’ll have to come up with their share of whats likely to be much more than $179,000,000:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/123222288/council-agrees-to-spend-179m-to-fix-upgrade-wellingtons-central-library
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October 28, 2020 1:17pm
- MCos
  
  Wellington City had a population of 202,737 at the 2018 New Zealand census. Of the total population, 54,999 (27.1%) were 15 to 29, 93,669 (46.2%) were 30 to 64, and 21,213 (10.5%) were 65 or older.
  So that’s about 180,000 over the age of 15.
  The money will be borrowed at two or three percent interest over a long time.
  BTW
  That’s not a lot more than Auckland is forking out for the wretched America’s Cup & at least Wellington will have something to show for all that dosh.
  
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  October 28, 2020 5:05pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sobxC_hznL0
Turkey Has its Wings Clipped.

A new alliance has formed over the Nagorno-Karabakk conflict.
France, Russia, and the US don’t like the idea of Syrian
Mercenaries fighting there. France started the process.
An effective cease-fire is sought.
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October 28, 2020 1:18pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GroUlLW0rU

Trump Breaks the Left.

Three scoops means leftist activism is
stopped in its tracks. ACB was sworn in last night.
No Dems voted for her. Dems didn’t have any dirt
on her. Total defeat, and humiliation followed.
Cue an imminent rise in sea levels from all
the liberal tears.
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October 28, 2020 1:19pm
Jack5

Mr Multiculturism – Paul Spoonley – and Kathryn Ryan get carried away when chatting on Radio NZ about diversity:

Spoonley: “… the community has become incredibly diverse.”

Ryan: ” … if we think of Asians as a singular group, we have one of the most diverse populations in the world.”

Fearon’s analysis (admittedly 2003): NZ ranked 103rd in world in cultural and ethnic diversity.

Ranking based on analysis of Alesina and others (also 2003) and equating the term “fractionalisation” with “diversity: NZ ranked 109th in ethnic diversity; 139th in linguistic diversity; and 211th in religious diversity (Saudi Arabia was 25th).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level
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October 28, 2020 1:46pm
Swifty

I have just today received by email from a senior civil servant in Wellington the following:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o8irxtupbdjs98c/MTAA.png?dl=0

A Muslim trans antifa activist.

I leave others to grapple with all the intersectional, ethical and religious clashes and dilemmas that that would bring.
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October 28, 2020 2:08pm
RJ

Tucker Carlson interviews Tony Bobulinski on business deals he had with Hunter Biden & Joe Biden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3klaJ49GnYk&feature=emb_logo
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October 28, 2020 3:05pm
- Batman
  
  I hear that Tony goes on a riff about having Q clearance and such?
  
  Grifters gonna grift.
  
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  October 28, 2020 3:23pm
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Here is Tony Bobulinski describing his Q clearance and what it means:
    ?
    https://youtu.be/oyRPZzDEv0Q?t=968
    
    A Q Clearance is equivalent to a United States Department of Defense Top Secret clearance. “For access to some classified information, such as Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) or Special Access Programs (SAPs).”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_clearance
    
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    October 28, 2020 3:50pm
    - Batman
      
      You conveniently leave out that it is a Clearance for the Department of Energy, and while is it equivalent, it is not for DoD or any other intel agency. It does not provide access to those specific items.
      
      Fifty bucks says he has never held a Q clearance at the DoE and is mentioning it to excite the Q base. He’s succeeded already it would seem ?
      
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      October 28, 2020 4:19pm
      - RJ
        
        Wow that is such a stretch, are you sure you aren’t stephieboy.
        
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        October 28, 2020 4:37pm
      - Batman
        
        It’s not a stretch. It’s a fact.
        
        The Anons have already started jizzing their pants online about it.
        
        But on the substantive issue rather than the silly Q winking nonsense…
        
        As a wise Scaramucci said this morning:
        
        “To sum up latest Hunter Biden nonsense:
        
        -Bubolinksi tried to trade on Biden name
        -Got mad about being cut out of biz, so launched smear campaign
        -Zero evidence Joe Biden had any knowledge of biz discussions
        -Joe Biden tax returns absolve him of wrongdoing
        -All happened in 2017”
        
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        October 28, 2020 4:45pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Zero evidence, god you crack me up Batman. Your delusions are starting to become overwhelming !
        
        Bobulinski has texts, emails, and had personal meetings. And you are stupid enough to think that Joe declares his bribe and feedback income on his tax returns ? REALLY ?
        
        What I think you mean to say is that he’s really a secret Russian agent, and Putin is way ahead in this game ! Russia, Russia, Russia !
        
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        October 28, 2020 5:25pm
      - Batman
        
        Oh Ed. You believe it’s all true and that’s almost endearing.
        
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        October 28, 2020 5:30pm
      - RJ
        
        And you stick your head up your ass an ignore all the evidence that has been submitted by people associated with hunter that aligns with what was on his hard drive. You can’t deal with anything t he said because [ Mod : masturbation – so clever ] saying he has q clearance. [ Yawn ]
        
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        October 28, 2020 8:29pm
    - RJ
      
      It is just Batman trolling a guys security clearance rather than deal with what he is saying. Batman sounds more and more like stephieboy each day
      
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      October 28, 2020 4:32pm
      - Batman
        
        I’m not trolling. Go and look up the actual definition of trolling.
        
        If he’s going on Fox and riffing about his supposed Q clearance, that is a direct wink to the Anons and the Trump base. He is ingratiating himself with them.
        
        If the guy was serious he would have kept well clear of that and focused on the supposed allegations. It undermines his credibility to start straying into conspiracy territory.
        
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        October 28, 2020 4:49pm
      - RJ
        
        No, his mentioning his security clearance is just setting of your kind, and your kind are trying to distract from what he saying. You’re prolly the most pathetic troll this site has, and worse is you are a moderator, scrapping the barrel of shit there
        
        You actually don’t deal with anything he says, you just whack off to oh he said he had q clearance, what a stupid moron. You are the definition of a troll
        
        [(other) Mod. Note: It’s your opinion, moderators are allowed theirs. Moderating has nothing to do with agreeing with other posters. If it did, I would have deleted yours.]
        
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        October 28, 2020 8:19pm
- Fletch
  
  The Bidens are total crooks. I don’t see how the guy has the clearance to be elected.
  
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  October 28, 2020 4:31pm
  - Mike
    
    No one needs a security clearance to get elected. Also, you might remember Trump’s spawn-in-law was denied a security clearance, but still allowed to work in the white house.
    
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    October 28, 2020 4:54pm
    - Batman
      
      If clearance was required, Trump would have been disqualified. He is leveraged heavily and has far too much financial and legal baggage which renders him vulnerable.
      
      Of course, clearance is not a requirement and he was duly elected.
      
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      October 28, 2020 5:22pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Ignorance is bliss for some. Trump’s Real Estate holdings are mortgaged to about 25% of valuations. That is very conservative in that business and no concern at all.
        
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        October 28, 2020 5:29pm
      - Batman
        
        Given the lack of disclosure from the Trump Org, that number could easily be plucked from thin air, just like his personal evaluation.
        
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        October 28, 2020 5:33pm
Critical Thinker

Tony Bobulinski’s accusations about the treasonous corruption of the Biden’s is now overwhelming. The Orwellian efforts of the left wing media and big tech social media to block the facts supporting Bobulinski’s accusations are scandalous ?

Collusion: Hunter Biden Allegedly Represented Chinese CEO in Deal to Help Russia’s State Oil Company

The stunning accusation was made by Tony Bobulinski, a former business partner of the Biden family, during an interview Tuesday evening with Tucker Carlson on Fox News.

He said he met with Joe Biden in 2017 to discuss the arrangement, contradicting Biden’s denials on the campaign trail.

However, the deal fell through, he explained, partly because CEFC tried to buy a 14% stake in Rosneft, the Russian state oil company. At that time, Russia faced sanctions because of its invasion of Ukraine and seizure of Crimea in 2014.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/10/27/collusion-hunter-biden-allegedly-represented-chinese-ceo-in-deal-to-help-russias-state-oil-company/

#Treason
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October 28, 2020 3:32pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The whole interview (for as long as youtube allows it to stay up). It’s very damning.
  https://youtu.be/SQFsTAu88ZU?t=6957
  
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  October 28, 2020 4:39pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  Poll: Majority Believe Biden Knew About Son’s Foreign Business Ventures
  
  The survey found that 54 percent of likely voters believe that Joe Biden likely was “consulted about and perhaps even profited in” Hunter Biden’s foreign involvement in a Chinese company. Only 38 percent of respondents said it was unlikely the former vice president knew about his son’s affairs abroad.
  
  The poll comes just days after one of Hunter Biden’s former business partners alleged that Joe Biden was privy to discussions in 2017 regarding his son’s dealings with a Chinese oil company.
  
  In addition to recent allegations that the elder Biden knew about his son’s overseas business deals, the New York Post uncovered an email exchange from 2014 in which the younger Biden appeared to use his clout to increase his salary at Burisma, one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies. He’s also profited from dealings in other countries, including China and Kazakhstan.
  
  The Post‘s sweep of a hard drive—believed to be a copy from Hunter Biden’s laptop—also discovered photos of Hunter Biden smoking a crackpipe and, allegedly, child pornography. Evidence of the latter has been sent to the FBI for investigation.
  https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/poll-majority-believe-biden-knew-about-sons-foreign-business-ventures/
  
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  October 28, 2020 4:52pm
Tony Stuart

I wonder how Joe Biden is going to explain this…does being old and doddery count as “plausible deniality”?

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1321263064319217665
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October 28, 2020 3:41pm
GazzaW

I have just been listening to Red Radio in the car and a very earnest member of the fun-police from the Ministry of Health is preaching about the menaces of Halloween. Her top tip is for all householders to download the Covid QR code, print it off and stick it on their front door. The kids or their minders can then scan all households visited and we can be tracked down in the event of an outbreak.

FFS where do they get these people from?
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October 28, 2020 5:30pm
Ed Snack

I see the problem ! Tucker Carlson and others should have just said that four anonymous sources who “were in a position to know about this” said that Joe was heavily involved in shady business deals using his son and other family as frontmen. Then promise that more would come, and then all would be believed !

After all, that was absolutely enough to have Batman, IC5000, Fat Tony and indeed our host here conclude that Trump did indeed say that dead servicemen were “suckers and losers” and that he refused to travel to Bellevue Wood cemetery because it was raining and it would mess up his hair.

Sauce for the goose and all that; if that’s good enough for an accusation on Trump it should be the same for one on Joe.

Actually having named witnesses prepared to say things publicly, plus documentary evidence is all so last century !
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October 28, 2020 5:36pm
- IC5000
  
  How does it feel to support a sex offender?
  
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  October 28, 2020 10:02pm
- Fletch
  
  Yeh, remember the anonymous whistle blower the Democrats had for the impeachment thing whose identity they never revealed. It wasn’t good enough that the public knew, although it was pretty well established that he had worked for Biden in the White House. Ridiculous. We have more evidence now than the Dems had to impeach Trump.
  
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  October 28, 2020 11:37pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/123225477/i-thought-it-was-a-rock-nineyearold-discovers-25millionyearold-fossil
“Blayz”?
Poor little bugger.
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October 28, 2020 6:08pm
- RJ
  
  Blayz makes a discovery of a life time, some dickhead attacks him because of his name. He’s not the poor little bugger, you are.
  
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  October 28, 2020 8:16pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkn6R4tUzl0

Le Pen Plan to Defeat Islamic Extremism.

Extremists attack the whole republic, not just
individuals. The murdered teacher was true to
the highest valued of the republic. No more such
murders can be tolerated. The state must do better
when it comes to tackling extremists. A commission of
inquiry is needed. The values of the republic must be
upheld. Islamists want to re-establish the crime of
blasphemy in France, by using extra-judicial killings.
Successive governments have ignored the problem.
Islamism is at war with everyone.
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October 29, 2020 11:14am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHiVIeIT6ac

EU-UK Trade Deal Imminent?

According to Dublin, a trade deal could happen
in two weeks. It may be sooner. The UK is out
of EU military missions after Dec 31st. So, in
theory, no need to use the same kit, and
procedures. It might be a no trade deal
Brexit. No more extensions, or transition
periods. There’s likely to be a drop in imports
from the EU. There will be an inflation spike perhaps.
A drop in GDP, and exports is expected by Allianz
Experts. Maybe there will be more self sufficiency.
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October 29, 2020 11:14am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfSs_QUmAkA

More Biden Drama.

The MSM attempt to cover for Hunter, and ‘sleepy Joe’
Isn’t working. There’s this new thing called the interweb.
So, it’s difficult to hide the truth. Bobulinski details
a May 2017 meeting between himself and Rob Walker.
He was a link to the Bidens. There was a meeting with Joe
, and Hunter to discuss China ties. The loan from the Chinese
energy company was a bribe. The Bidens relied on ‘plausible deniability’
to protect themselves. But wait! There’s more! The stuff from the
‘laptop from Hell’.
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