All the pundits says Collins won or it was a tie

Not even Simon Collins is claiming Jacinda Ardern won the 2nd debate. All the pundits are either saying it was Collins or a tie. The calls to date are:

• Mihi Forbes, Newshub panel – tie
• Trish Sherson, Newshub panel – Collins
• Josie Pagani, Newshub panel – Collins
• Luke Malpass, Stuff – tie
• Audrey Young, NZ Herald – Collins
• Simon Wilson, NZ Herald – tie
• Claire Trevett, NZ Herald – Collins
• Fran O’Sullivan, NZ Herald – tie

A much better debate the the travesty in the United States!