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Don Beckett

Wait for it – another hit job on Trump? 😉

Needs something to offset the error of posting the Atlantic hit job on Trump the other day, about which Bolton (no mate of Trumps) ans 20 or so other officials have openly stated that the claims were totally false.

But it sure fitted the narrative.
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September 11, 2020 2:05pm
- David Farrar
  
  You’re lying. Bolton has not said they were totally false. The only aspect disputed is why the trip was cancelled, not all the remarks about losers which multiple people heard.
  
  And what is amusing is you think merely repeating what Trump said at a press conference is a hit job on Trump.
  
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  September 11, 2020 2:10pm
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Snap out of it DPF…
    
    John Bolton calls report Trump disparaged military ‘completely false’
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goOfh16IIc4
    
    “According to what that article said, the president made disparaging remarks about soldiers and people buried in the cemetery in connection with the decision for him not to go to the ceremony that was planned that afternoon, and that was simply false.
    
    I don’t know who told the author that, but that was false.” – John Bolton
    
    Bolton added that Trump had canceled the trip to the cemetery because of the weather rather than out of any disdain for the fallen soldiers.
    
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8709091/John-Bolton-denies-simply-false-reports-Donald-Trump-called-American-war-dead-losers.html
    
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    September 11, 2020 2:17pm
    - David Farrar
      
      You have proven what I said. The only part Bolton disputes is why the trip was cancelled.
      
      You really need to learn to read.
      
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      September 11, 2020 3:04pm
      - Critical Thinker
        
        We’ve known for a week now that Marine One had to cancel the flight to the cemetery due to the bad weather ?
        
        https://youtu.be/Yg9S_TftX3U?t=49
        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhC1BpmXsAESGPF?format=png
        
        It’s such a bizarre fake news story for you to get so hung up on David ?
        
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        September 11, 2020 3:27pm
      - BlairM
        
        Nobody except you and the people who wrote/fabricated the Atlantic story still believe it’s true. It’s been about as debunked as a story can possibly be. Grasping at the possibly that he *might* have said it out of earshot of pretty much anyone who was with him that day, who have all gone on record and said they didn’t hear it, is nuts.
        
        If Trump dissed dead soldiers in the middle of a cemetery and no-one heard it, did he actually say it? David Farrar thinks he did! Utterly insane.
        
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        September 11, 2020 7:37pm
      - sharont
        
        No, Bolton said he never heard President Trump say that. He said he wasn’t there later in the day but it certainly wasn’t said in his presence. Also, I stand by what I said months ago that President Trump will be re-elected. I certainly don’t agree with everything President Trump says but I consider that the outright bashing Trump has endured since his election has actually brought out the worst in him and I don’t blame him. I’m looking forward to liberals breaking down and howling again on election day. I’ve never seen anything like it before.
        
        But I am disappointed Mr Farrar that you have joined their ranks – the ranks of the pink tea cosy wearers. I thought you would be way to smart for that.
        
        The US and the world would have been in a much worse state had Clinton been elected and you can bank on a war if Biden ever got elected but I think Americans are way too smart for that.
        
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        September 12, 2020 12:18am
  - James Stephenson
    
    I’m pretty sure I saw a TV interview with Bolton where he said (paraphrasing) “I was there and I never heard Trump say that, or anything like it.”.
    
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    Yup, here it is: https://youtu.be/goOfh16IIc4
    
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    September 11, 2020 2:22pm
    - fernglas
      
      That would be this John Bolton?
      “Wacko John Bolton’s “exceedingly tedious”(New York Times) book is made up of lies & fake stories. Said all good about me, in print, until the day I fired him. A disgruntled boring fool who only wanted to go to war. Never had a clue, was ostracized & happily dumped. What a dope!”
      
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      September 11, 2020 4:00pm
      - Billy Collins
        
        Yes, that John Bolton, the one who doesn’t like Trump and has no reason to make up elaborate LIES to defend him.
        
        It’s not about who Trump trusts, but do you trust him? DPF surely does.
        
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        September 12, 2020 5:56am
  - redeye
    
    I really love this blog.
    But when it comes to Trump you seem a little emotionally attached.
    Here’s Bolton himself in this video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ0FQn4naNM
    
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    September 11, 2020 2:23pm
  - Redapplefalls
    
    Your original post had two claims. One of which has been comprehensively debunked by multiple on the record sources. It was a lie. Now you’re willing to die in a ditch over another slur made by anonymous sources and supported by other anonymous sources. Get a bloody grip!
    
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    September 11, 2020 2:31pm
  - kris
    
    And yet, here is a direct quote of Bolton, from a recent interview, discussing it:
    
    “According to what that article said, the president made disparaging remarks about soldiers and people buried in the cemetery in connection with the decision for him not to go to the ceremony that was planned that afternoon, and that was simply false,”
    “I don’t know who told the author that, but that was false.”
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-bolton-denies-atlantic-report-trump-soliders-france
    
    Here are the two relevant paragraphs from the start of the Atlantic article (the rest is unrelated filler):
    “When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.
    Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.”
    
    Bolton and others have refuted the second para, and the Atlantic gives no actual evidence to support it.
    The first paragraph is also false, bad weather and the logistics of driving were the cause of the cancellation. Again, the Atlantic gives no evidence to support its claim.
    
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    September 11, 2020 2:32pm
  - herb1
    
    Really David?
    
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    September 11, 2020 2:34pm
  - Fletch
    
    “which multiple people heard.”
    
    Name them. Even Deputy Chief of Staff Zach Fuentes (an aide to General Kelly, who was present) said he never heard Trump say anything like that. And that Kelly, a military man, never would have stood for it, either.
    
    “You can put me on record denying that I spoke with The Atlantic,” Fuentes told Breitbart News on Monday. “I don’t know who the sources are. I did not hear POTUS call anyone losers when I told him about the weather. Honestly, do you think General Kelly would have stood by and let ANYONE call fallen Marines losers?”
    
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/07/exclusive-zach-fuentes-top-aide-to-john-kelly-denies-atlantic-story-about-trump/
    
    Oh, and Bolton did say the claim was simply false.
    
    “According to what that article said, the president made disparaging remarks about soldiers and people buried in the cemetery in connection with the decision for him not to go to the ceremony that was planned that afternoon, and that was simply false,” Bolton said.
    
    “I don’t know who told the author that, but that was false.”
    
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-bolton-denies-atlantic-report-trump-soliders-france
    
    It’s just electioneering. All political. The same as this other thing today about Woodward’s book – which means nothing.
    
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    September 11, 2020 2:36pm
  - Ross12
    
    Try this. The author has said it might not have true.
    As close as you will get to him admitting it was BS.
    
    https://100percentfedup.com/editor-in-chief-of-the-atlantic-newspaper-says-his-swift-boat-article-about-trump-could-be-wrong/
    
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    September 11, 2020 2:39pm
  - amospicton
    
    David, No-one has gone on the record to confirm what he supposedly said. Equally many of those who were there and are not Trumpistas in any way have said they did not hear him make those statements. Given Trump’s reverence for those who have served in the military (McCain excepted!) it does seem unlikely.
    
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    September 11, 2020 2:40pm
  - NoFax
    
    David – I am unsure why you are holding on to this. The trip was cancelled because of weather i.e. it would be hard for helicopters to land. Those in the room all say they never heard him say that the soldiers were “losers”. Only those who want the story to be true are holding on. It has been debunked over and over. Move on before you get a full blown case of TDS.
    
    Also, we should be aware of the industry military complex as Eisenhower warned the American people.
    
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    September 11, 2020 3:22pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Mr Farrar, please present your evidence that “multiple people heard” those words, otherwise you’re lying and what’s more, you know it.
    
    A single anonymous source accessed by different people is NOT sufficient to establish anything.
    
    And the whole premise of the story in the Atlantic (you should read it for a start) is that Trump did not want to go to Belleau Wood cemetery and stand in the rain, and that set the scene for the remarks you are claiming he said. Yet we have evidence that has public for 2 years that he could NOT go as planned by helicopter because of the weather, and that a road journey was also out of the question. That thoroughly undermines the theory, there is no evidence that he did not want to go, only evidence that he could not. That evidence BTW was produced under FOIA refs in 2018 by the NYT, so the Atlantic certainly should have been aware of it, and that makes their “mistake” malicious nonsense.
    
    Bolton has not scotched the rumour totally as he has stated that such words were not uttered in his presence. He cannot of course give first hand evidence of anything that happened when he wasn’t present, elementary evidence 101. Others however have gone on the record as well saying that no such words were uttered, so you would have to ask who WAS around to hear it when no one else did. Anonymous sources are not credible, or do you believe that John Key set up and was responsible for the H Fee transaction, or so several anonymous people have said. Key must be guilty, no ?
    
    As for the standing in the rain, Trump did exactly that next day at a different ceremony, so not apparently a likely reason either.
    
    [Mod: deleted for attacking the host. Nearly a ban until the election.]
    
    And on the comment about the generals, sounds a lot like he is echoing Eisenhower with his well known departing speech about the military/industrial complex. And Eisenhower had some experience, I believe, of generalship.
    
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    September 11, 2020 3:31pm
- amospicton
  
  A comment he has been widely criticised for by the media and the left. I maintain that if Obama said the same thing he’d be praised just as enthusiastically.
  
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  September 11, 2020 2:22pm
Berend de Boer

That’s easy, Trump of course. Consistent for decades.
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September 11, 2020 2:06pm
- IC5000
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Consistently a twat and sexual predator.
  
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  September 11, 2020 2:22pm
  - amospicton
    
    Probably so but he’s human like the rest of us. He has serious flaws for sure but that doesn’t mean that absolutely everything he does is automatically evil. He’s not a cartoon character and it’d be refreshing if what he does and says was assessed on its merits (or otherwise) rather than just knee-jerk assuming it’s bad. If he cured cancer he’d be criticised it seems.
    
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    September 11, 2020 3:01pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Or helped to broker a deal between Israel and the UAE that was very important for peace in the Middle East. If such a thing as peace in the Middle East is possible, it will be because of deal-makers like Trump.
      
      Countries with trade agreements don’t go to war with each other.
      
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      September 11, 2020 4:23pm
      - Mike
        
        Explain please the significance of the Israel-UAE deal, with particular reference to how it advances resolution of the longstanding issue of the West Bank.
        
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        September 11, 2020 4:54pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        Lodden needs to think more.
        
        The bloodiest theatre of the bloodiest war in history was between combatants that had a trade agreement right up until the moment of invasion:
        
        “Soviet rubber shipments greatly increased in later months, filling up German warehouses and the Soviet transports systems. 76% of the total of 18,800 tons of vital rubber sent to Germany was shipped in May and June 1941. 2,100 tons of it crossed the border only hours before the German invasion began.”
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi%E2%80%93Soviet_economic_relations_(1934%E2%80%9341)#The_1940_commercial_agreement
        
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        September 11, 2020 5:05pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        And guess which country in the South Pacific had a trade agreement with Nazi Germany?
        
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        September 11, 2020 5:27pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        I would suggest that the Nazi-Soviet pact was a rather special case. Both wanted it initially, Hitler to get access to oil (especially) and Stalin to avoid war while re-establishing competence in the army (badly affected by the purges in the late 1930’s and shown up in the war with Finland) and to obtain otherwise very scarce manufactured goods.
        
        Hitler however had no intention of sticking to it for any length of time from the start, so the normal considerations of economic self interest did not have as big an effect as they normally would. A bit the exception that “proves” (as in tests as the original meaning has it) the rule.
        
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        September 11, 2020 8:08pm
    - IC5000
      
      > Probably so but he’s human like the rest of us
      
      I don’t have the urge to sexually assault another person but I can only speak for myself. It’s not a human quality that should be encouraged or accepted.
      
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      September 11, 2020 6:31pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        So you’d not be a Biden supporter then ? R Clinton, or JFK ?
        
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        September 11, 2020 8:09pm
- Stephen Russell
  
  It could easily have been said by any of the other three. And they would all be right.
  And who said this:
  “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.” ?
  
  Answer: President Eisenhower
  
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  September 11, 2020 3:30pm
  - frankflintstone
    
    And also regarding the “scientific elite”
    
    Yet in holding scientific discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite
    
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    September 11, 2020 4:06pm
- Scott
  
  Berend – I am happy about what Trump said. Americans are tired of endless wars. They have been in Afghanistan for the best part of 20 years! Isn’t it time to bring the troops home?
  
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  September 11, 2020 3:33pm
  - Mike
    
    It certainly is. Why then, has the US increased its troop numbers the middle east?
    
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    September 11, 2020 4:56pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Indeed, and it is an almost perfect paraphrase of Eisenhower’s farewell quotes on leaving office, warning of the dangers of the military – industrial complex.
  
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  September 11, 2020 3:34pm
fizzleplug

Seems accurate
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September 11, 2020 2:07pm
herewego

And wholly accurate. The US is no longer the strong arm of regime change around the world. The focus has moved to peace and negotiation- cf Israel/UAE and the Balkans

I’d suggest it’s worthy of a Noble peace prize
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September 11, 2020 2:11pm
- kowtow
  
  And he was brave enough to try with the Rocketman , not Trump’s fault that it didn’t work, but he must be credited with trying, something no other Prez did with those Nork Nutters.
  
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  September 11, 2020 4:58pm
- Batman
  
  Unless it’s arms sales and then Don is extremely keen on the military industrial complex. Weird.
  
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  September 11, 2020 5:07pm
  - pentwig
    
    Trump is weird?
    
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    September 12, 2020 6:33pm
Critical Thinker

It honestly sounds like an honest politician who should win a Nobel Peace Prize if they became President of the US ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4vSWWfpbGM
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September 11, 2020 2:11pm
- dcrane
  
  Nah…Nobel Peace prizes go to presidents who pioneer the use of “disposition matrices” in multinational drone/execution warfare while abridging habeas corpus.
  
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  September 11, 2020 3:48pm
hullkiwi

It had to be Trump. The phraseology was so poor, it had to be him.
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September 11, 2020 2:17pm
fisho

And?
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September 11, 2020 2:19pm
Thought Criminal

Anyone with half a brain could have said that.

So I guess it could be any of them ??
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September 11, 2020 2:22pm
Odakyu-sen

What is the financial relationship between the “top people in the Pentagon” and the companies that make the bombs and planes?

Certainly in Japan, bureaucrats who have favored certain companies are not paid at the time for their favors, but after retiring at 60, they tend to wind up in plum positions employed by these same companies on very good salaries.
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September 11, 2020 2:22pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Mattis has joined the board of General Dynamics, who make a very good profit out of manufacturing weapons mainly for the Pentagon.
  
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  September 11, 2020 3:35pm
  - Batman
    
    And Trump appointed a former Raytheon lobbyist as his SecDef, let’s not forget.
    
    So yeah the lack of proper rules around lobbying and govt jobs is really getting to be a problem.
    
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    September 11, 2020 5:06pm
- tf78
  
  My old boss (Japanese) when he left the company he became a school Principal.
  
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  September 11, 2020 4:09pm
EuropeanCanon

Yes, thats Trump for sure. He is a good man which is why the bad people hate him.
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September 11, 2020 2:31pm
Critical Thinker

“This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.” – US President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsqO6ADTDKc
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September 11, 2020 2:31pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Bingo!
  
  Exactly, so when Eisenhower said it, it was faresighted and statesmanlike
  
  When Trump said it, it is PROOF! PROOF!! I TELL YOU!!! that Trump really does, deep down inside hate the military.
  
  Got to stop parroting DNC talking points DPF, its pretty clear that this line was part of the planned October surprise, that had to be sprung early to distract from Pelosi’s salon boo boo.
  
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  September 11, 2020 3:37pm
  - Batman
    
    If only Trump could actually be far-sighted and statesmanlike.
    
    Instead he’s selling arms like it’s going out of fashion in order to build up said military industrial complex.
    
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    September 11, 2020 5:09pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  US President Dwight D. Eisenhower left office in January 1961, so he made these comments right at the end of his presidency.
  Trump, on the other hand, girding up for battle for a second term.
  Big difference!
  
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  September 11, 2020 5:54pm
frankflintstone

What an amazing thing for a US president to say….calling out the war machine….it is funny to hear so many anti-war people have to try and come up with a way to make this look like a bad thing.
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September 11, 2020 2:41pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  It is incredible. Trump wants a strong defence force but no wars. Somehow this previously liberal stance is now evil?
  
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  September 11, 2020 2:52pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Simple.
  
  You say it – words of wisdom.
  
  Trump says it – OMG!!!! DID YOU HEAR THAT!!!! ORANGE MAN BAD!!!! TRUMP HATES THE TROOPS…. etc etc… rinse and repeat.
  
  Trump keeps pointing the little red laser pointer on the wall, and all the kitties can’t help themselves going for it.
  
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  September 11, 2020 3:39pm
mikenmildagain

Would that line of reasoning from Trump make the people doing the fighting – suckers and losers?
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September 11, 2020 2:43pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Oh dear Mikey, that story has collapsed already, malicious lies, which I’m sure you would just HATE to be seen to be propagating (unless against those you really dislike – hey, that’s just like all fascists do, you a fascist then Mikey ?)
  
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  September 11, 2020 8:12pm
NewInoffensiveName

And now the SoS is off for the first direct peace negotiations between Taliban and Afghan government. But Trump bad, right?
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September 11, 2020 2:44pm
Goon

Hmmm, lets see…..certainly not Nixon, Bush I, Billy or Bush II. Maybe it was Barry?….nah despite Nobel Prizes for participation, too many drone strikes and for sure Hills had trouble sitting straight on a vinyl couch at the prospect of North African ‘regime stabilisation’.

So, maaybee…..Ike? Oh no, that’s right he said:

“We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions.

….Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government

…..we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex”

So, maybe whoever said it now would have to be from outside the orthodoxy and would seem to be advocating for pax americana rather than a continuation of overt American imperialism.

… and who knows, maybe a significant portion of the worlds 7-odd billion non-Americans might not think that is not such a bad thing (…despite the abysmal phrasing)
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September 11, 2020 2:46pm
LetMeOut

It is an accurate observation.
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September 11, 2020 2:59pm
coge

I expect we’ll be hear more of these types of claims by “anonymous sources” prior to the 3rd of November. Possibly all this reflects is a growing desperation in the Democrat camp.
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September 11, 2020 3:09pm
tom hunter

Haha.

Critical Thinker got there ahead of me with the Eisenhower quote, which of course has been quoted by Lefties and the Far Left for decades now.

This – along with protectionist measures of the type promoted by Walter Mondale in his landslide loss to Reagan in 1984 – are a big part of the reason why the US Left find it so hard to combat Trump on key issues. He’s simply saying what they’ve been saying for decades.

And to be fair to Trump (and as others have pointed out above) this is not tailored by polls or political advisors or trying to please a caertain group of voters. This is actually what Trump believes as he has said much the same thing for decades.

He’s basically a standard Republican Isolationist from the 1930’s/40’s and voters knew that in 2015/16, even if they might not have articulated it that way.

Which is the problem for the Liberal Internationalist wing of the GOP: they thought they had defeated this decades ago but mistakenly continued on with it after the Cold War, not realising that the ground was shifting under them. American voters accepted all this post-WWII and even into the Gulf War.

But myriad actions from Somalia (Blackhawk Down) to Kosovo to Iraq, and Libya, and especially with the seemingly endless Afghanistan conflict have changed the attitudes of American voters. Forty years ago, even twenty years ago, Trump would have found no traction on this issue and indeed did not after talking about on Oprah and other such media platforms.

So the idea that Republican voters will be turned off Trump by this sort of talk because it aligns with decades of smilar Leftist cant, is now a fantasy.

In fact the irony of this is that had Hillary or Joe started talking the same way they would have not only solidified their Left base, they might have got GOP voters in those precious swing states whose small towns (and small-conservative values) push so many young men and women into the military. Those people have keenly felt the sacrfices of the last twenty years, as Sarah Palin well knew when she spoke of this at the 2008 RNC.

You could see it coming then, but it’s Trump who may well garner those votes.
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September 11, 2020 3:17pm
- Mike
  
  Ah tom, tom, tom…
  You really agree with your orange idol that the Pentagon is filled with bloodthirsty warmongers? I think not.
  But I guess being a Trumpista means agreeing with anything that Donny says.
  Does6seem so long ago that you were such a big fan of Christie, or was it Cruz?
  
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  September 11, 2020 4:47pm
Inandout

Tucker Carlson reveals what we have all known. Politicians feed the public one story, but in private there are their true feelings. The strange thing about Trump is that he is not your typical politician.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKns1YmjQzc
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September 11, 2020 3:20pm
Local Miller

And I for one am pleased that he has the guts to call the hawks out for what they are.
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September 11, 2020 3:20pm
Ed Snack

Very interesting seeing the blog owner and author getting not just ratio’d but schooled on this !

But terminal TDS is a sad disease. Especially when allied with Bidenitis.
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September 11, 2020 3:36pm
Wangas Feral

Wow – Trump calls out Perma-War. What an evil bastard.
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September 11, 2020 4:00pm
- Mike
  
  If Trump is opposed to perma war, perhaps he could end the ‘war on terror’ that’s been bubbling away for 20 years.
  
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  September 11, 2020 4:49pm
  - Batman
    
    Or not veto the AUMF cancellation, as passed by congress.
    
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    September 11, 2020 5:15pm
Loddenthinks

Funny, I don’t see this as a hit job on Trump. The answer was too easy to pick, because the statement is true. And of the four people listed, the one by far the most likely to state the truth is Trump.

I actually thought DPF had done some serious reflection, been to see a counselor or taken a red pill, and now had his eyes open to the truth. I still hold out hope!
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September 11, 2020 4:27pm
- Batman
  
  Why should DPF take a red pill and start believing conspiratorial hogwash, which is what that refers to these days.
  
  Being red pilled is to choose to believe in a fantasy reality.
  
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  September 11, 2020 5:12pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Like believing wholeheartedly that the helicopter ride to Belleau Wood cemetery was called off because Trump didn’t want his hair getting wet and being disordered ?
    
    Now THAT’S conspiratorial hogwash, and golly there you are, right on cue Mikey.
    
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    September 11, 2020 8:15pm
- BlairM
  
  Sadly no, read his unhinged comment above.
  
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  September 11, 2020 7:46pm
Batman

Hahaha holy shit you lot have been trolled so hard and you did not fail to take the bait!

I love it, especially later in the summer.
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September 11, 2020 5:11pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Oh, hohoho. How hilarious, Batboy, clearly you are the smartest chiroptera in the room!
  
  Serious Gamma tell you have going on there.
  
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  September 11, 2020 6:55pm
mikenmildagain

So what else has President Man-Baby said lately:

“If Bob Woodward thought it was bad, he should have immediately gone out publicly, not wait for months”
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September 11, 2020 6:35pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I’ll answer it for you, even though it’s patently obvious:
  
  1. Selling his book
  2. There’s an election very soon, and like you he has TDS.
  
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  September 11, 2020 7:02pm
- Ed Snack
  
  And yet, not panicking and allowing an unreasonable panic to take hold was also the mantra for Biden and Pelosi at the same time. It is only apparently “wrong” because you are too ignorant to do any research on the claims. And for that matter, so did the CDC and it’s experts like Fauci and Birx.
  
  Hell’s bells, when Trump first announced a travel ban relating to China he was labelled a xenophobic extremist by Biden and Pelsosi (and others), and they encouraged wide scale mixing on the basis that there was nothing to worry about !
  
  And yes, if Woodward thought it was sufficiently seriously wrong he certainly had an obligation to say so at the time and not wait to write his book for sale.
  
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  September 11, 2020 8:19pm
Okahu

Yes but he wasn’t really calling out the war machine was he. In fact he has been goose that laid the golden egg for the military industrial complex increasing expenditure on his own military and boasting of the great deals he had negotiated to supply arseholes like MBS with all the killing toys he could want. What you are witnessing is the rat cunning of a con man working his mark, in this case his base. He knows the society is sick of the wastage of war, hence his pretence of concern. Somehow though, he can’t find the words or will to stop the gathering of armed thugs calling themselves militia working to threaten civil society in the US.
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September 11, 2020 6:42pm
- Okahu
  
  Slow fingers! That was a reply to frankflinstone.
  
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  September 11, 2020 6:44pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    “pretence of concern’
    Your slow fingers match your slow brain
    What a lot of crap you write
    Funny to see such delusion though
    Get some help eh.
    
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    September 12, 2020 7:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      As usual, your advice to ‘get help’ reflects your own need for assistance.
      
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      September 12, 2020 7:42am
- theoldbloke
  
  So lessson 1 for the day Ohaku.
  
  Updating/Increasing the US Military is NOT war mongering.
  Invading other countries for ideological reasons is war.
  Ie going to Syria, bombing Libya, invading Iraq
  So…how many wars had Trump started ZERo as opposed to his predecesseors
  
  Selling Military hardware to other countries is NOT warmongering.
  Its called trade.
  
  here endith the lesson for the day.
  
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  September 11, 2020 7:35pm
- Ed Snack
  
  I don’t think his words alone will stop the fascists like Antifa and BLM rioting and looting. That’s a Democrat run and controlled operation, designed to ensure that “their” black voter base doesn’t get uppity and try to leave the reservation and vote for Trump.
  
  The group most negatively affected by Burn Loot and Murder has been the black middle class small business owners. Just the “wrong sort” of blacks who just might not vote for Joe, and hence aren’t black and so can be attacked with a clear conscience.
  
  Trump could invoke the insurrection act and take federal action, but is the unrest at that level yet ? The riots are taking place in almost exclusively Democrat controlled areas because they require the local authorities to be complicit. They’ll stop once the Democrats realise that it is likely costing them the election.
  
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  September 11, 2020 8:25pm
BlairM

I expect Farrar thinks this is a bad thing, given that silly post where he complained about Trump calling off a bombing and not killing innocent civilians.
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September 11, 2020 7:48pm
V

With this commentary I’m not sure you really appreciate the sentiment in the US for forever war generals, who not only failed to actually win the war, but cost the Treasury trillions of dollars. Then when they leave the military collect handsome sums from the very bloated defence establishment they had a hand in creating.
Meanwhile people have sons and daughters with terrible injuries, PTSD etc. as a result of said wars that did little in terms of strategic benefit for the US. Those people (until recently) got very little.
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September 12, 2020 1:23am
- BlairM
  
  Yup, and then they went home to Ohio and got addicted to fentanyl.
  
  The neocon wing of the GOP is dead, and not coming back. Farrar doesn’t seem to realize that Bill Kristol and all the other beltway Lincoln project types like himself no longer have a constituency. Even if they are successful in defeating Trump, it will not benefit them. It’s over.
  
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  September 12, 2020 11:26am
mikenmildagain

It is very sad to reading comments from delusional Trumpista who think their idol is somehow reducing US commitments in the middle east, when the opposite is occurring.
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